< 1304208012 894052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304208013 860548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with /// < 1304208014 524205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304208058 648261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure you could do it shorter than just writing them all out :P < 1304208099 614426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forum.world.st/cull-protocol-td1560122.html < 1304208123 182719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this sort of sentiment, that prettyness is better than actually working for more uses, a common one in the Smalltalk community? < 1304208126 119012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no but it's the principle of the thing < 1304208141 500760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The AXAnnouncement code breaks for more than a certain number of arguments) < 1304208171 738016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure that languages without some kind of self-modifying/macro facility produce inherently longer programs than ones without < 1304208185 205586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I like to think is quite a deep revelation < 1304208198 566114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a certain minimal length... < 1304208235 302918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although by kolmogorov complexity there's only an additive constant difference... < 1304208610 942924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is that necessarily so? < 1304208626 982374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: consider a language where every constant literal is unary < 1304208631 909743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer that is < 1304208633 478580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occured to me it could be linear < 1304208633 793852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's strings < 1304208640 11011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you somehow can't parse strings into integers < 1304208641 381339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1304208648 181509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take strings as arguments to macros < 1304208654 351508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can be turned into code somehow < 1304208663 637310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's specific to that language... < 1304208665 428124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304208724 763969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway you should concentrate on figuring out an elegant structure that's basically a list and a pointer within that list >:D < 1304208736 613059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the advance-the-pointer operation is automatically cyclic too that's even better I suppose...) < 1304208844 390600 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304208938 862033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is essentially a queue afaict. i thought we'd already discussed on a previous occasion using a zipper for that < 1304208954 446914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304208958 477882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues don't have a pointer to the first element do they < 1304209030 454533 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304209038 843502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i misread the trace < 1304209048 672957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or rather didn't read much at all) < 1304209124 595544 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Consider a space/surface (the plane, the outline of a circle, the torus, klien bottle..) and pick two points on and think of every possible path between the two points. < 1304209136 675480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a lot of paths < 1304209177 201754 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: two paths are /homotopy equivalent/ if you can continuously deform one into the other. So if you pick the same point twice on a torus, the path that goes through the hole once is not homotopy equivalent to the path that goes all the way around it. < 1304209245 956053 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homotopy type theory seems to be about interpreting dependent types stuff as topological spaces and functions as continuous maps between spaces < 1304209285 702945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know about elegant but you could split the list into a few segments... one from L a bit rightward, one reversed from there until the pointer, one from the pointer a bit on, and one reversed at the end < 1304209296 76045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ew < 1304209307 237241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe if you had < 1304209323 644206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before pointer (in original order), pointer onwards cyclically (in original order) < 1304209324 839968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1304209326 740439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1304209327 889122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ugly < 1304209330 429113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because removing elements < 1304209331 356650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just < 1304209331 890187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1304209339 486128 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: !!!! < 1304209344 586120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304209353 686786 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :homotopy < 1304209361 162649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i'm topyphobic < 1304209363 721547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toffeephobic < 1304209372 756022 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it make sense? :/ < 1304209378 696010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um the whole point of my suggestion is that it's a couple of zippers that allows you to advance efficiently except when you hit the end < 1304209385 904699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when you have to rewind) < 1304209390 500939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it makes as much sense as anything makes when i'm also listening to oerjan :D < 1304209397 689884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well hitting the end is sort of a big thing in BCT... < 1304209411 168943 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_______________________________________; < 1304209413 924959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the end here means end of segment duh < 1304209417 995256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304209421 565929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION oohs at Teachables < 1304209531 901531 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304209542 630858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you _really_ want is a cyclic list with two zipper cursors. < 1304209554 540857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do i really want two cursors? < 1304209558 746143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess I do < 1304209562 258396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one where i am currently < 1304209565 837988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to delete bits and cycle back < 1304209574 423008 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304209575 98317 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304209575 288390 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304209576 161883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that what your couple of zippers provide? < 1304209583 6928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems like it should be more elegant :P < 1304209608 184986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not enough of an expert on zippers to know how to do more than one cursor elegantly < 1304209642 536866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just write it in C ;D < 1304209646 912090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, you could use two Seq queues < 1304209664 240921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for L -> current, one for current -> R < 1304209685 32312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with you and Seq < 1304209706 26576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's the only way i know of to do queues elegantly in haskell? < 1304209720 355162 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :two paths are homotopy equivalent if ___________? < 1304209743 593080 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact what i said above is just two queues emulated with two list zippers < 1304209748 824205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was a joke < 1304209759 585138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wow, I think this is actually more elegant in C < 1304209761 474982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as disturbing as that is < 1304209765 207676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304209765 601092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deques < 1304209770 237314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to do fairly elegantly < 1304209797 828547 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: " The mistake is to start thinking of identity types as representing paths, but to keep trying to interpret Σ and Π as logical quantifiers" < 1304209934 629564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:51 also I don't have a phone on me right now < 1304209934 856277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:54 and also I don't own a phone < 1304209942 585675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see your problem < 1304210201 330307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/54708-2.png senses Gregor lacks: smell, sight < 1304210208 890219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead he has fnarf and... turgr < 1304210214 692447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and also I'm mute < 1304210231 670352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and homeless < 1304210234 433550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and an orphan < 1304210236 242133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and dead < 1304210241 480605 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The loss of support for KDE-LCARS is part of why KDE4 sucks so horribly :P < 1304210247 669735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was dead the whole time < 1304210270 682167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i never realised people could actually be born without any kind of taste before now ;D < 1304210290 236148 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARS is about efficiency! < 1304210297 217737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg I'm going to buy an iPad and make it look like that and go around horrifying Apple fans < 1304210304 504650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey check out my totally tricked out iPad dude < 1304210306 976535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs KDE < 1304210319 648232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARSpad < 1304210324 63152 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you gave iPad an LCARS display, some people would pay SERIOUS money for dat shizzle. < 1304210340 703749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Whereby some people is used to mean you. < 1304210344 304267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]"you". < 1304210352 420677 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "trekkies with more money than me" < 1304210367 745099 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "trekkies who hate Apple less than me" < 1304210394 831630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, the iPad is pretty damn close to LCARS :P < 1304210406 538086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for the typical Apple lockdown douchebaggery it'd be schweeet. < 1304210479 259736 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd work a bit better with actual tactile feedback. < 1304210502 857231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:04:13 --- join: oerjan (n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no) joined #esoteric < 1304210503 90450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05:05 * oerjan declares the optbot topic idea to be a strike of genius < 1304210508 333871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did LCARS have that canonically? < 1304210512 786858 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1304210517 55772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304210526 427765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from typing, tactile feedback isn't that useful, though < 1304210536 846995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mouse doesn't really have it (it clicks, sure, but it clicks regardless of whether you actually did anything) < 1304210563 930591 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make repetitive, *automatic* use of an interface possible. < 1304210592 669774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1304210595 836554 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it seems like you'd want for some of the tasks LCARS was depicted doing. < 1304210643 235494 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some other things, it's little more than a nicety. < 1304210706 470581 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we need is a display that's touch sensitive, and can also adjust the height of individual pixels (or even just "cells") up or down a few millimeters. < 1304210707 790022 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual response could be produced entirely by software. This bit acts like a button because when you exert pressure on it, the software signals it to click. < 1304210809 954091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Honestly the problem is that that's not enough. < 1304210816 835362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With keyboards, you can feel the keys _before_ you press them. < 1304210820 370225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really possible with that system. < 1304210830 229014 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure it is. < 1304210832 984709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally mis-hit a key ever. < 1304210841 807238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my fingers sure do occasionally not get in the right place. < 1304210862 493420 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would only have to have embossment between the "keys" to simulate everything necessary. < 1304210885 905291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you mean keeping them up permanently? < 1304210887 901138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would work. < 1304210899 61407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCARS was totally flat though because durp durp Science Trek durp < 1304210903 23090 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean they're up whenever you're not pressing on them. < 1304210908 993786 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, I'm not talking about LCARS any more :P < 1304210916 932087 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's tactile feedback by MAGIC> < 1304210919 521825 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/./ < 1304210936 497687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You misspelled SCIENCE. < 1304210945 239592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIMAGIC < 1304210954 816240 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAGIENCE < 1304210962 576508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCMIENCE < 1304210994 882812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304210999 705804 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more to the point, they're up whenever you're not pressing them, and it's in "keyboard mode" < 1304211004 305257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: self-BCT visualisation might be a bit hard for rapidly growing patterns :P < 1304211013 573683 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the height is software-configured, it doesn't have to simulate a keyboard. < 1304211016 863927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Problem is, it'd have to be more than a few mm. < 1304211028 848621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not even scissor-switches have /that/ little bumpiness. < 1304211031 400178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd feel awful. < 1304211052 89292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ALSO, the software would need super good latency, because lord knows your fingers won't be kind to lag. < 1304211063 161317 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, it'd have to be CRAZYfast. < 1304211079 179692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and the mechanics would have to be practically instant :P < 1304211081 307389 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not infeasible so long as it's done right (which it won't be because ... well, software) < 1304211082 557658 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is to say that it would need by done by intelligent people. < 1304211089 472702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise there'd be no transition, it'd be "I'm touching this key" -> "Whoops there is now air below my finger" < 1304211095 156308 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think about 10mm total would be sufficient though ... < 1304211118 62654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I dunno about that... scissor switch keyboards are fine, but they get away with it by requiring tons of force to press. < 1304211120 674956 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sub-20ms is entirely doable, and sufficiently low that humans can't freaking notice. < 1304211125 71454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sort of "simulates" more tactile reaction than they have. < 1304211130 490982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, except that it has to be CONTINUOUS. < 1304211139 974823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to move down by at LEAST one mm precision AS you press the key. < 1304211162 540564 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 20ms latency is perceived as "instant". < 1304211176 500103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By _brains_ < 1304211181 485901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking instinctual here. < 1304211199 128295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains... < 1304211199 572200 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to agree with elliott, but I still think it's entirely doable. < 1304211205 181312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, surely it is. < 1304211210 77278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't expect to do it with Linux :P < 1304211210 266134 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, may want to make that smaller still. What's the spinal cord-finger latency? < 1304211214 438340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 0 :P < 1304211223 338977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need some serious real-time operating system mojo. < 1304211230 591484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ridiculously optimised standard button components :P < 1304211239 250345 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT I disagree with. < 1304211241 728151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, some kind of hyper-parallel architecture might help, just dedicate one per button :P < 1304211248 292357 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's definitely not non-zero. < 1304211252 670176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed, it's zero < 1304211257 131719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304211260 432070 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, definitely non-zero. < 1304211278 949224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding. < 1304211281 956482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, let me clarify. < 1304211303 333666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can't do it with a stock Ubuntu configuration running on regular PC hardware :P < 1304211309 738190 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The display itself would probably need to be controlled by a dedicated microcontroller. < 1304211319 867285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux by default is ridiculously configured anyway as far as desktops are concerned.) < 1304211331 419792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yep, but Gregor wants software-controlled buttons... < 1304211371 342873 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the location, size and function of buttons to be software-controlled. < 1304211371 531977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you could send configuration of that from the main system to the display over the connecting bus. < 1304211389 344672 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason why the actual response has to be controlled by the main CPU, though I also see no reason why it has to be hardware. < 1304211391 729502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, so it's OK for the actual depressing to be uncontrollable? < 1304211398 210257 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1304211400 323726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What if you just want a permanent emboss effect ;D < 1304211409 523843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yessss < 1304211417 345597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god imagine CSS five with font-style: emboss. < 1304211425 538000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then pages with white on white text, just it's embossed. < 1304211439 47592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HIP < 1304211468 212512 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they would make the web simpler instead of more complicated ;/ < 1304211496 551911 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLICATION IS ALWAYS THE SOLUTION < 1304211518 779867 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably play that on a loop to all the w3c folks < 1304211530 145876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Define simpler :P < 1304211577 587559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, maybe the self-BCT thing should just scale down lines if they get too long... that's ugly though. < 1304211623 40850 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Step one to make the web simpler: start with Gopher. < 1304211623 646048 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304211654 838115 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I don't know anything about gopher < 1304211658 692838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1304211660 334088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XANADU < 1304211668 163708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENFILAAAAAAAADEEEEEEEEEEEEES < 1304211943 50933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ouch, i just thought about a /// self-interp < 1304211944 427432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind hurts < 1304212102 809682 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1304212130 269587 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304212164 244105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh my god imagine CSS five with font-style: emboss. <-- no, font-style: crochet < 1304212177 923101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304212250 414325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : /// self-interp: < 1304212421 663515 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nede to go to bed < 1304212426 101535 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1304212432 290877 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of reading < 1304212465 906152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: bed? < 1304212467 274737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS early? < 1304212471 227355 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesrs < 1304212472 470042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo < 1304212473 47664 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugdhhh < 1304212498 995007 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this channel makes me stay up late < 1304212553 573859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS POSSIBLE < 1304212559 110750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://giftrash.com/post/5008479548 < 1304212571 788695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't watch on a bad stomach) < 1304212617 773960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen :P < 1304212636 533218 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that an aquaduct system would be a pretty awesome means of transport in Minecraft. < 1304212652 145965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean just travelling along a stream? < 1304212653 569619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been done < 1304212658 30831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sloe though < 1304212658 220031 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, not as fast/convenient as minecarts, but hey. < 1304212698 598432 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More resource-efficient. < 1304212725 665577 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could, in fact, be done entirely with renewable resources. < 1304212762 313782 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to make a game like minecraft? < 1304212768 821620 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bad question < 1304212783 200407 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean setting up a 3D grid of cubes which you can render at a decent speed < 1304212792 995179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: argh bct also writes at the /end/ < 1304212798 256218 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have to do something clever to make it render fast enough < 1304212808 525979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need the beginning, the end, and an advancing cyclic pointer within < 1304212818 994553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: not really? it's just opengl < 1304212819 388302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was an ugly hack < 1304212826 234969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: hardware does it all for you < 1304212827 317029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true ifTrue: [^true]. < 1304212827 921745 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Requires more creativity than programming-chops, really. < 1304212836 295149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the beginning + end is also an advancing cyclic pointer so to speak < 1304212841 746798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1304212846 90395 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presuming, of course, that you're not using an utterly sadistic language for the task. < 1304212850 504491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, say, C. < 1304212874 222442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if i didn't think it'd make such a pretty visualisation i'd stop coding right now ;D < 1304212899 458728 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304212914 369383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola wimped out < 1304212927 249340 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using C, then you need to actually have notable programming skill for a Minecraft-alike. < 1304212941 356767 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like for everything non-trivial. < 1304213120 731234 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biospheres mod is approximately "awesome". < 1304213157 104821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get in -minecraft, you < 1304213283 807820 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C: Best language for all tasks. < 1304213292 3670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahno < 1304213367 870019 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL < 1304213369 579701 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASKS < 1304213432 453601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ok i hate c strinf handling so bad < 1304213469 21705 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the API makes it damned difficult to just do *safely*. < 1304213491 451316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have the first toaster < 1304213563 122202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i'll write it in PYTHON < 1304213567 172289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best language for shitting yourself with < 1304213664 975034 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304213972 867601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excreme programming < 1304214048 731486 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304214049 426758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my self-bct interp is broken... < 1304214621 958907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow gleh < 1304214625 709347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program isn't supposed to stop running < 1304214629 219916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304214630 836915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i ping oerjan < 1304214653 480483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be your evil streak < 1304214803 552098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : self.pos = (self.pos + 1) % len(self.state) < 1304214803 785578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero < 1304214806 374329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS PROGRAM IS NOT MEANT TO END DAMMIT < 1304214859 138408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is < 1304214861 976423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's meant to take a long time < 1304214987 830769 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-124-245.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304215380 958845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm concatenating a BCT program with itself has no observable effects as far as execution goes, right? < 1304215499 349928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ordinary BCT program? no. < 1304215509 187931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i mean self-bct < 1304215510 442452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess yes < 1304215513 46501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the end matter < 1304215513 781871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sa < 1304215514 458608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304215514 918061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1304215539 512507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it definitely matters yeah < 1304215546 547160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is my buggg :| < 1304215564 890310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1304215569 900011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there it is < 1304216276 711086 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304217795 401926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1304217807 854114 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that tar on this system does not interact nicely with LD_PRELOAD. < 1304217852 12484 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling GNU tar is too clever for its own good. < 1304218027 600593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304218081 242546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304219495 424374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Explain? < 1304219704 732382 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicitly explain exploding explorers < 1304219768 722518 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :without expletives < 1304219777 591794 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :excluding expletives? < 1304219782 11442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excrement < 1304219786 915288 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of breaks the exp though < 1304219787 585353 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent! < 1304219797 283086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1304219824 643155 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicitly explain exciting exploding excrement explorers excluding excellent expletives < 1304219840 944381 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1304220119 119452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1304220261 685051 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304220293 472258 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304220338 460966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear birds outside < 1304220340 76908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1304220341 524721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love elliott < 1304221300 655059 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-124-245.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304221494 337753 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tar not interacting with LD_PRELOAD. < 1304221505 906522 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it's dynamically linked. < 1304221507 874850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1304221511 632105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not reacting? < 1304221542 537091 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried making a tup rule using it. It got absolutely no information from the process. < 1304221666 63594 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it *is* actually having the LD_PRELOAD'ed library work, it is still *definitely* being too clever for its own good. < 1304221731 5663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it might use mmap < 1304221875 244750 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304222034 53941 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I suppose tup doesn't intercept mmap? < 1304222049 266881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, mmap requires open() < 1304222050 49119 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304222059 192107 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, so it does. < 1304222061 665682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making that moot. < 1304222490 64517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could use syscalls directly instead of going through libc :P < 1304222762 671253 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304222827 372456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304222836 771635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304223075 231112 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm checking the source code, presently. < 1304223300 798239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely goes through libc's open. < 1304223344 578590 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: wut? < 1304223988 771905 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posted to list. < 1304224559 554589 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304225106 7170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304225832 312265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1304226121 978115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304226196 171497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1304226399 156210 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304227237 711752 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304227639 692869 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes asdf < 1304227642 505931 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1304227659 814781 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so < 1304227660 447163 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so < 1304227660 745104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not available < 1304227665 556842 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes < 1304227666 429729 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes < 1304227666 618721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available < 1304227667 464214 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304227671 283606 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304227750 796530 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes /not available/!slashes @so !slashes \/not available\/\// < 1304227751 506416 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes < 1304227751 695561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available < 1304227752 436882 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304227884 993232 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/*0//*0/0**/1001 < 1304227885 689107 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000****************** < 1304227897 673835 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/*0//*0/**/1001 < 1304227898 502147 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :****** < 1304227918 191981 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/*0//*0/0**//0//1001 < 1304227919 101802 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :****************** < 1304228281 998377 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**/1001 < 1304228282 768996 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000********* < 1304228295 380236 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//1001 < 1304228296 79431 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :********* < 1304228302 474551 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's it, I think < 1304228307 548498 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//1 < 1304228308 329136 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304228310 936118 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//10 < 1304228311 828007 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1304228314 920420 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0*//*0/0**//0//11 < 1304228315 670113 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1304228318 775244 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304229638 307553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304229929 610322 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\//\\\//\/\\\/\/\\\\\\\/\/ < 1304230024 328620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1304230645 362758 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304230724 11276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304232145 412812 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :danp_ < 1304232161 913884 :danp_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :bambam < 1304232576 449631 :bambam!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1304233654 646914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M&feature=youtu.be This boggles the mind. < 1304234507 103485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304236679 555663 :CakeProphet!~adam@h159.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304236683 43547 :CakeProphet!~adam@h159.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all. < 1304236832 302746 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does !slashes work, what language is this? < 1304237585 97245 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304237806 970610 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304238214 162945 :CakeProphet!~adam@h159.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304238252 599578 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes //0//111 < 1304238253 239664 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes @so !slashes @so !slashes < 1304238253 429042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes @so !slashes not available < 1304238254 301856 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes @so !slashes not available < 1304238254 491146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes not available not available < 1304238255 209171 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes not available not available < 1304238255 469148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available not available not available < 1304238256 251680 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available not available not available < 1304238262 848876 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot chaining! :-D < 1304238494 709549 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes \/yes\/no\///0//1 < 1304238496 28759 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes < 1304238496 219592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available < 1304238496 943197 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304238507 797556 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make it output more slashes? < 1304238526 946049 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes //0//1\/yes\/no\/ < 1304238528 259117 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes /yes/no/ < 1304238528 448385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /yes/no/ not available < 1304238529 395707 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available < 1304238549 253888 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0@so !slashes //0//1\/not\/is\/ < 1304238550 333928 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes /not/is/ < 1304238550 523311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /not/is/ not available < 1304238551 423886 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is available < 1304238794 852643 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes /not/1//available/1//1/@so !slashes/ < 1304238795 242668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /not/1//available/1//1/@so !slashes/ not available < 1304238796 332646 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes @so !slashes < 1304238796 521985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes @so !slashes not available < 1304238797 242686 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so !slashes not available < 1304238797 432024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes not available not available < 1304238798 68299 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not available not available < 1304238847 738752 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/\/x\/y/code < 1304238873 2180 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /foo/Hello, world!//bar/foo/bar < 1304238874 172764 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304238877 726791 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do loops with slahes? < 1304238886 685005 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slashes < 1304238902 743431 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/code/code < 1304238912 362449 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/xy/code < 1304238913 518039 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy < 1304238917 982087 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/\/x/code < 1304238922 961812 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /code/y\/x/code < 1304238924 322229 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1304238941 760065 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do a slash?? < 1304239003 394850 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \/ < 1304239004 705559 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304239012 274311 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/\//a < 1304239018 995498 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/\\\//a < 1304239020 232081 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304239041 161573 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//bs < 1304239042 386703 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1304239070 249202 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//s\bsbbbbbs\ssbbbss < 1304239082 947611 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//sbsbbbbbsssbbbss < 1304239091 336876 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//sssss < 1304239092 717335 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1304239096 736789 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what thell lol < 1304239120 104782 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes ///// < 1304239128 573873 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//s < 1304239129 804353 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1304239148 192219 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I output multiple slashes < 1304239156 802253 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\\/s/\\\//bsbs < 1304239157 988438 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ss < 1304239164 581217 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1304239198 188102 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\/s/\\\//bsbs < 1304239199 318205 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304239254 133105 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\/s/\\\//bbbbb < 1304239255 532782 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304239262 4785 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous < 1304239275 131408 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0\\\/ //0//111 < 1304239276 21077 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ / / < 1304239283 550381 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /1/0\\\///0//111 < 1304239284 880762 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1304239291 69830 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :huuuuh < 1304239310 709051 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you have to space them out with 0s? < 1304239338 196680 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not completely sure what I'm doing there :-) < 1304239373 242837 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slases /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//bbss < 1304239378 782574 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//bbss < 1304239379 880274 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s! < 1304239384 51625 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffff < 1304239387 98891 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//bbbb < 1304239388 492107 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s! < 1304239391 181445 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!//!//ssssss < 1304239392 541146 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s! < 1304239415 439670 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!/!//bbsss < 1304239416 499003 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304239455 866597 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to output every string with this language?? < 1304239460 637497 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some strings cannot be output < 1304239464 174833 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes p/b/\\\\!/s/\\\/!/!// < 1304239465 484901 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps < 1304239648 349196 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /// < 1304239654 478406 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \/\/\/ < 1304239655 698092 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1304239670 357620 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//sss < 1304239671 627587 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// < 1304239686 507543 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239687 796329 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/foo/bar/foobar < 1304239721 627596 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/sfoosbarsfoobars\ss < 1304239722 842406 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/ < 1304239734 728694 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/xsfoosbarsfoobars\ss < 1304239735 920944 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/ < 1304239740 61427 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1304239782 487749 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how to do it :(((((9 < 1304239810 186308 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help slashes < 1304239810 584969 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for slashes! < 1304239868 390441 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes < 1304239884 608508 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/sfoosbarsfoobars < 1304239885 888856 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239887 558461 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239888 852988 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239897 557530 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/\\\\/foosbarsfoobar < 1304239898 877327 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239910 926293 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\//b/q/sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239912 236178 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1304239914 736293 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/q/sfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239915 921395 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/foo/qar/fooqar < 1304239923 825421 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I just had the wrong syntax < 1304239947 63248 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\/s\ssfoosbarsfoobar < 1304239948 118407 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ < 1304239956 302576 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\/s\s < 1304239957 214802 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ < 1304239971 983834 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can't quote s < 1304239990 199495 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\/shsbbbsss < 1304239991 410170 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/h/\\\/// < 1304240046 521173 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /s/\\\///b/\\\\//t/\s\h\s\b\b\b\s\s\s\k\s\b\b\b\b\s/tt < 1304240047 614707 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :h\k\\ < 1304240147 136053 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /t/\s\h\s\b\b\b\s\s\s\k\s\b\b\b\b\s//s/u//b/v//u/\\\///v/\\\\/tt < 1304240148 525981 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/h/\\\///k/\\\\//h/\\\///k/\\\\/ < 1304240169 953997 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to make it print \s\h\s\b\b\b\s\s\s\k\s\b\b\b\b\s?? < 1304240221 439637 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /q/\\\\/t/qsqhqsqbqbqbqsqsqsqkqsqbqbqbqbqs//s/u//b/v//u/\\\///v/\\\\/tt < 1304240222 454614 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsb < 1304240226 319176 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwwrauufrdgaroufgdnupf < 1304240508 295226 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304240672 601170 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304240729 295600 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have /s/blahblahblah/ how do produce "s"s < 1304241034 791695 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you have /s/xyz/ and x->a,y->b,z->c how do you produces xyzabc < 1304242399 531986 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304243603 189869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304245289 822467 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304245290 252353 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304245290 441668 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304245464 729818 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304245789 132089 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304246800 612413 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing blog, search for "Assembly is the most powerful programming language": http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7684?page=0,1 < 1304247079 572867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microcode > asm < 1304249464 363821 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304249592 52724 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304249753 769710 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304250120 284591 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304250984 20735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, arguably vhdl > microcode then :D < 1304251264 428981 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFF2D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304251360 498854 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304251924 769759 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304251980 944359 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably haskell > vhdl then < 1304252384 739743 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably < > > then < 1304252433 85359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably (<) > (>) would be a bit clearer < 1304252482 431407 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably (<) > (>) > < > > < 1304254083 603153 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304254173 216170 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304254175 141124 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304254175 330546 :Dentist[1]!~Testing@202.90.98.2 QUIT :Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1304254389 277402 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304254546 283820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304254683 91983 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304254776 193659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304254876 834957 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow, enigma is fun! < 1304254888 844091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear it < 1304254895 933168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing the stable version or the dev version? < 1304255041 20624 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm playing the aptitude version. < 1304255043 191448 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever that is < 1304255083 276888 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen says v1.01 < 1304255088 797269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the stable version < 1304255094 245825 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why - does it make such a difference? < 1304255101 145513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only really user-noticeable difference between the two is a lot more levels < 1304255104 525276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed most of the internals < 1304255110 774799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so new levels can't easily be added to the old version < 1304255111 974663 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have they? < 1304255133 200979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the old level file format was awkward and rather hard to write clever things in < 1304255142 681741 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1304255156 853568 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just got to the rollercoaster level, and it was annoying, so i turned it off. < 1304255169 429947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can skip levels you don't like or can't solve; I think everyone does that < 1304255190 597750 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the fun threshold was passed < 1304255205 201342 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm up to other things, such as rescuing data from my failed hdd < 1304255228 645094 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever done that, ais? < 1304255239 193509 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, rescue data from hard disk drives < 1304255249 554147 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304255355 944787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: no, I just restored from backups < 1304255361 442968 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the difference is between a "/" and a "-" in gnu ddrescue < 1304255367 562783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /have/ had hard drives fail on me, though) < 1304255374 902411 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/' failed block non-split < 1304255375 162269 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'-' failed block bad-sector(s) < 1304255425 148448 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to its info manual, it takes blocks which failed to read, and does something like bsp, trying to reduce the irrecoverable area as much as possible < 1304255446 985418 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure whether / or - are going to be reduced still, or if they're ones it's given up on < 1304255490 601697 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think non-split is the ones it's going to do BSP on < 1304255510 990517 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of a 460 GB file system, it reduced the error to only about 30 mb < 1304255518 939541 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's nowhere near giving up now < 1304255575 603951 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :after it totally gives up, i'll mount the file system and find out which files have bad sectors in them < 1304255583 184823 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll try to recover them < 1304255598 542596 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it'll be system internals which can be replaced easily < 1304255613 261446 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or media files which can be redownloaded < 1304255634 582868 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards i'll boot the OS and run debsums on it < 1304255650 308371 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully finding only a few packages which fail, that i can reinstall < 1304255743 347970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: you have so much more a sensible attitude to a hard disk crash than Sgeo < 1304255817 116659 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has Sgeo done? < 1304255943 373137 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in support of my current plan, do you know how to add hex numbers in awk? < 1304255963 882022 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a file full of lines that name hex numbers, i just need to add them and output in decimal < 1304255981 139825 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know awk handles hex literals, but it doesn't seem to handle hex input < 1304256056 603273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: I don't know awk < 1304256075 411766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use perl (awk compiles to it, and it can parse hex numbers using the "hex" builtin function) < 1304256080 351836 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not know the most used esoteric programming language on earth! < 1304256081 341463 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1304256093 430118 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know awk :-\ < 1304256104 339581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl's probably more eso than awk (although not eso), and also more popular < 1304256139 215904 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: gawk --non-decimal-data < 1304256180 350389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how GNUish < 1304256256 466250 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304256357 958964 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo < 1304256359 356992 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1304256406 464649 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304256477 327435 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice - worked great < 1304256518 926783 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /tmp/gddrescue.log | grep '/' | awk --non-decimal-data 'BEGIN {a = 0} {print $2; a += $2} END {print a/1024/1024}' < 1304256524 933267 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect. < 1304256541 351489 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really *that* perfect, but still good. < 1304256661 21029 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was an application that let you display text in gnome's notification area on the panel < 1304256677 830709 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember searching for it a lot about 6 months ago, i should search again < 1304256761 572948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All variables are initialized to 0, that BEGIN is superfluous < 1304256777 701296 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good to know, thanks < 1304256795 579854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can match in awk too, put /\// in front of your print-+=-block < 1304256815 198086 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, this option you brought up surprised me, i'd expect this to be something that is handled inside the language, not when invoking the runtime < 1304256829 495051 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1304256831 616700 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that < 1304256871 104398 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC that option is very much not recommended by the manual < 1304256887 731664 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304256888 352357 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the only way of doing it that I remember by heart < 1304256891 261395 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more reason to use it < 1304256896 786989 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1304256983 53367 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. if the thing is *splitting* bad blocks.. why would the sum *increase* in size? < 1304257010 351060 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it steadily growing from 13.0049 to nearly 14 by now < 1304257057 687591 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 13.9736 now! < 1304257236 712012 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :man watch is ridiculous underdocumentation. < 1304260720 167925 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am flabbergast < 1304260724 937500 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to ~21.5 < 1304260752 365020 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the error size, as reported by ddrescue, is monotonically decaying < 1304262599 989426 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up < 1304263169 312492 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263308 679020 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304263359 364389 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304263714 304289 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304263739 2157 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263739 392089 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304263739 581451 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263932 665372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304263982 340739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO GUYS < 1304263982 757628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304264310 996258 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304264311 185656 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304264311 185805 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304264446 563481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304264453 57740 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304264466 537251 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /9/0*********//8/0********//7/0*******//6/0******//5/0*****//4/0****//3/0***//2/0**//1/0*//*0/0**********//0//3 < 1304264468 938588 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1304264472 549974 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /9/0*********//8/0********//7/0*******//6/0******//5/0*****//4/0****//3/0***//2/0**//1/0*//*0/0**********//0//72 < 1304264473 420020 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************ < 1304264490 17426 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304264492 117545 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks for your awk help earlier < 1304264495 766158 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty cool < 1304264520 135245 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /9/0*********//8/0********//7/0*******//6/0******//5/0*****//4/0****//3/0***//2/0**//1/0*//*0/0**********//0//10 < 1304264520 974610 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :********** < 1304265911 844533 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-63.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304265974 933178 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304266002 943401 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304266003 133059 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304266003 133141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304266468 658968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304266734 632101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304267324 679248 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304267815 729806 :Kouta_!1000@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269118 186983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269182 217295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:15: is it possible to output every string with this language?? < 1304269182 406860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:20: I think some strings cannot be output < 1304269184 551666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :untrue < 1304269207 372564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:29: if you have /s/blahblahblah/ how do produce "s"s < 1304269214 972297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't, you have to find another way to structure hings < 1304269217 359210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1304269251 320064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:48:03: -!- Dentist[1] has joined #esoteric. < 1304269251 766394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:33: Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304269251 956068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:35: Free IRC Bouncers! irc://irc.bitsjointirc.net:6667/ZNC < 1304269251 956157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:35: -!- Dentist[1] has quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))). < 1304269256 455735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome i can't wait to get my free bouncer < 1304269292 221896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:15:43: cheater2: you have so much more a sensible attitude to a hard disk crash than Sgeo < 1304269305 242155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can a hard disk lose data just by sitting around broken for days IT MAKES NO SENSE I'll recover the data later < 1304269320 365866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by sitting around broken for days while you repeatedly try to start it up < 1304269341 758420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [proceeds to ignore you and then acts incredulously later when told that the data is likely unrecoverable] < 1304269532 542472 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what did sgeo do with his hard drive? < 1304269536 73302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304269553 330264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: repeatedly tried to start it up, then left it for weeks < 1304269566 819033 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not inside a computer for weeks < 1304269570 725810 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's any help < 1304269572 158424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304269573 398052 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it not show up in bios? < 1304269583 717935 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269590 227760 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's not any help: It's now months < 1304269591 807439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(:( < 1304269597 646998 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't change much < 1304269598 201019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youve lost all that valuable nothing < 1304269605 426645 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, did it show up in bios? < 1304269615 964925 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, was it found during POST? < 1304269621 434324 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, I don't remember, I think so < 1304269633 423175 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bad sectors did it have? < 1304269633 813901 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304269640 972981 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1304269642 22826 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what was the issue? < 1304269653 521289 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember this channel helping me figure out a dd to use < 1304269655 352325 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it have your operating system on it? < 1304269662 340843 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have any other computer to actually do it with < 1304269677 369215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we told you exactly what to do < 1304269684 669171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave up after you realised it would take at least a day < 1304269690 78867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have another computer. It's just it doesn't support the hard drive < 1304269697 147981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask for help -> get help -> refuse to perform help -> repeat < 1304269717 965811 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get a HD .. thing, then I'll do it < 1304269718 204305 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it would be fairly nice if you could answer :3 < 1304269720 149661 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh, linux does *not* do well in oom situations < 1304269725 166225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: IT IS TOO LATE < 1304269730 236622 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, yes, my OS was on it < 1304269735 134589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had your chance, the disk is totally fucked at this point, give up. < 1304269743 593609 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, did it boot up or at least begin to boot up? < 1304269780 380440 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think < 1304269788 936036 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird, most of the hard drive crashes i've encountered in more recent years have been failures of the circuit board or something, not mechanical failures/bad sectors/whatever < 1304269796 496917 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why that should be < 1304269801 778656 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, did it show something to the effect "no system disk found" etc? < 1304269813 438052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: yeah except < 1304269816 838772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, this was months ago, I don't remember < 1304269821 236840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: in this case it's because sgeo's hands are fucking retarded and he dropped it < 1304269830 56273 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1304269830 836458 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if that's what it was, then you can probably recover 100% of your data < 1304269831 355999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its really easy to drop a laptop you're holding < 1304269837 185818 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a lot of problems < 1304269837 413777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's covered in butter < 1304269857 534751 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the only time i tried there were a LOT of problems and the dude never called us back < 1304269859 743879 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackass :| < 1304269867 403394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was secretly a robot < 1304269870 419003 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, this laptop has been dropped several times with no issues < 1304269870 819227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plotting against you :( < 1304269874 222238 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if it's mechanically damaged it might be more difficult < 1304269876 862996 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he was hungry and ate it for lunch < 1304269885 282529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: wow would you please concentrate on not being a moron who drops things for no reason < 1304269888 281247 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still possible you'd recover most of your data < 1304269890 921370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than selecting laptops based on their resilience to dropping < 1304269895 848637 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes, that just goes to show that dropping laptops is never going to have problem < 1304269897 532039 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1304269897 970874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe itll be an incentive if your laptop breaks every few days < 1304269904 842641 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get yourself a toughbook < 1304269906 713059 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's elliott's problem? not taken the pills today? < 1304269909 90683 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can drop it all you like < 1304269922 968818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: no Sgeo_ lives on top of a gigantic mesa < 1304269925 668295 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive over it, leave it outside in puddles, etc. < 1304269926 787956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gigantic holes everywhere < 1304269938 917105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops there goes another one down the hole < 1304269942 905398 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they dropped a toughbook in testing from some fairly high buildings :P < 1304269972 323985 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently they say 6 feet < 1304269973 184404 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea toughbooks are cool < 1304269975 349430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: were talking miles high here < 1304269981 614801 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the lenovos are fairly resilient to droppage too < 1304269984 922900 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanna say they were dropping from like 3 stories or 6 < 1304269986 512860 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1304270017 990310 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a military dude who's used toughbooks in the field, he says they're amazing < 1304270024 81852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow my bct interpreter is a bit slow i guess < 1304270027 871277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1304270028 258976 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except he doesn't think the new ones are good < 1304270028 448366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken < 1304270064 815887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep i think broken < 1304270112 382038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah ok this program is only meant to last 43074 steps < 1304270128 486185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1304270131 950386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test program was wrong < 1304270213 416353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo this is going to be like a hundred megabyte trace < 1304270234 982029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know how to turn a file with lines of zeros and ones < 1304270236 871200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :into a monochrome bitmap < 1304270238 594100 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked a question in math software if anyone knows software to solve this problem.. but it's just this guy saying he has years of experience in problems like this and I should learn linear algebra < 1304270244 490923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1304270252 29862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that text to pbm thing... < 1304270472 1082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying < 1304270510 197993 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, if you still want to recover that stuff, i could walk you through it < 1304270511 96565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbmtext: object too large < 1304270512 337686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1304270531 746378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2, I think I know what to do < 1304270540 475602 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of getting the hardware to do it < 1304270550 4729 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1304270552 63913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it literally just renders the text < 1304270555 73834 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is that hdd? < 1304270672 591126 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember offhand < 1304271150 45438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ill just use pygame or whatever < 1304271336 497651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use sed to convert your file into an xpm < 1304271346 279988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, just got up to the top 100 in the world on this Pokémon simulator (playing the "official" Pokémon Company rules, not the fanmade ones) < 1304271367 175769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a really luck-based format, so it's hard to see just how good individual people are < 1304271378 813659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't really know the xpm format < 1304271383 927951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could learn it OH < 1304271385 454574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that C thing < 1304271387 204796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1304271404 746661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe PPM or something < 1304271424 180869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok PPM looks kind of easy < 1304271428 762985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll need to pad out all lines though < 1304271435 254591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what pygame will be easier < 1304271438 686082 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats on your pokeymans i guess? < 1304271452 382806 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be fanmade rules, are they totally broken or just somewhat? :P < 1304271512 106923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: condolences on your potemkins < 1304272036 70816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304272197 736574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the results from this bct visualiser aren't so interesting so far < 1304272532 101590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now this is interesting < 1304272554 373547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it barely looks like it's doing anything at all < 1304273069 992583 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304275145 261610 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304276053 848431 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304276081 434793 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304276081 728463 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304276081 917810 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304277870 282076 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304278163 842568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304278170 967537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan joaeran < 1304278179 74440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1304278181 771509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a self-bct visualisation program but it is a bit boring? < 1304278240 919345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how do you make something like that not boring, anyway < 1304278253 352917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well wolfram CAs tend to be quite pretty? < 1304278260 178542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this not as much, it's kind of cool though < 1304278291 362978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it looks pretty much like keymaker's clue :D http://esolangs.org/w/images/1/1e/Clue-110data.png < 1304278297 562384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is more like a TM in that it only changes in a couple places at a tie < 1304278300 670268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1304278308 972563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it literally only changes in one place at a time < 1304278315 598738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it either appends a bit or deletes the first bit < 1304278321 16027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only change you'll ever see < 1304278365 344464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok "a couple places" applies to a little longer time than one generation < 1304278372 746303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304278386 967801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you rendered it in a sort of DNAy spiral way it might look pretty? < 1304278409 543307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayhaps < 1304278498 736425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's just sitting on his proof that selfbct is tc < 1304278503 684168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting on it and cackling < 1304278557 802600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has such a lively imagination < 1304278613 208201 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304278696 368614 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to solve this problem? I have integer rectangle matrix A and want to find Ax = 0 < 1304278701 495526 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than x = 0 < 1304278709 505700 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a vector of integers or rationals x < 1304278725 324705 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can Gaussian elimination do it? I don't have code for that :/ < 1304278803 673762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gaussian elimination preserves rationality so you should get a rational basis < 1304278870 241926 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea where to get the code? < 1304278910 647540 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, um < 1304278913 210673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write the TeX file for recording D&D (3.5e) games < 1304278945 259632 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what Ker A is, right? < 1304278961 255662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, maybe I should graph length of data string over time or something < 1304278990 318597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are lots of implementations. my determinant code uses it but it's a bit too intertwined < 1304279017 395248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: want to play with my self-bct stuff? :P < 1304279037 121000 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :mabe < 1304279042 403631 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to solve this first though < 1304279071 174224 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need to solve it < 1304279083 314994 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it for a 3d computer graphics problem? < 1304279093 149602 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304279098 286665 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the usage? < 1304279102 789837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what < 1304279113 88157 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to generate a number theoretically interesting polynomial < 1304279113 649797 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're not the king and queen of cheese < 1304279184 458007 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well < 1304279198 741733 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's why I need rationals as opposed to numerical) < 1304279201 590371 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A: V->W, then take the basis of V < 1304279207 62462 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and transform by A < 1304279227 511933 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: I would really like code that solves it < 1304279229 509259 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then W\span{AB} is going to be Ker A < 1304279239 840860 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the matrix is rectangular < 1304279240 592873 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would really like you to caress my nuts < 1304279247 112965 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can trade them < 1304279250 530168 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why it has a kernel < 1304279311 720707 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, it's not why it has a kernel < 1304279314 227421 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1304279334 122817 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just transform the basis of V by A and see what you do not get < 1304279335 583141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair basically you append an identity matrix to A, then reduce to row-echelon form. the final rows where the part from A has become 0 give the x coordinates for a kernel basis in the appended part < 1304279363 149938 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, your solution isn't so easy to implement in code 'tho < 1304279376 83989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um why not... < 1304279396 564132 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can take numpy and whip up what i mentioned right away < 1304279427 995536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did remember he needed _rationals_? < 1304279452 807259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless numpy can do exact arithmetic, it need not apply < 1304279469 30815 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals are fine, just define __mul__ < 1304279472 534686 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit I fucking hate < 1304279476 982506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304279479 180703 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this blogger posted LHS < 1304279489 143659 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's importing code in his other posts < 1304279491 644100 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think it might be able to, oerjan < 1304279494 963486 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :just link to a .hs file :/ < 1304279503 747482 :Kouta_!1000@078088161004.static.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304279509 678771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import http://foo.blogspot.com/... < 1304279510 695086 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ lhs < 1304279528 134428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually you need to reduce columns not rows maybe < 1304279535 504763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think cheater2 is wrong, i don't think numpy works with arbitrary objects < 1304279540 533484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1304279548 161200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since a large amount of the point is to have tight C loops... < 1304279552 512128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which calling into python would break < 1304279552 701452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304279610 450559 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just multiply all entries so that everything will be integers < 1304279613 991939 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep a multiplicand < 1304279614 547901 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304279755 903570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : then W\span{AB} is going to be Ker A <-- i don't think that is quite right. i vaguely recall the correct theorem involves transposing the matrices somewhere < 1304279909 969362 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, B is a set, not a matrix. < 1304279934 538098 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mathbb{B} is the usual denotation for the basis of a vector space. < 1304279936 688816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so < 1304279947 136225 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1304279962 928840 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it.. the range of A is defined by the basis of V < 1304279964 123530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean by W\ anyway < 1304279985 159129 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :set difference. < 1304279997 311207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you're _really_ wrong < 1304280009 550454 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that < 1304280023 199277 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, haha < 1304280051 736904 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to A^-1 that stuff, wouldn't you < 1304280065 794896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1304280086 527675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which rather defeats the purpose < 1304280090 855110 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, the idea is to find the basis of \span{AB}, then extend that to a basis of W, then take just the extension and translate it back to V. then you have Ker A. < 1304280123 720433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that doesn't work, the span of A does not determine the kernel of A, period < 1304280210 603497 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304280219 936655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not entirely sure, but i think the correct theorem may be something like ker A = (span(A^T))^{_|_} < 1304280226 951312 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, i'm so wrong :D < 1304280254 470600 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is so bad < 1304280269 949916 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it ill just fucking solve the system myself by hand < 1304280279 178091 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to know this stuff once :) < 1304280319 836799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that theorem extends to hilbert space operators and stuff < 1304280574 12540 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a tool that would let me do row operations really easily < 1304280753 465839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: i think my suggestion requires column operations, although that's a trivial difference < 1304280765 99127 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what rows or colums are < 1304280776 616550 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing 10x10 gauss elimination by hand < 1304280788 792658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm rows are horizontal and columns are vertical... < 1304280797 143587 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? < 1304280801 482042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304280810 550909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait i feel a witty coming on < 1304280813 960582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOM is horizontal < 1304280814 810886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok done < 1304280828 18254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, afair we didn't bury her standing < 1304280850 995539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna go into #deadrelatives and make your mom and dead baby jokes all day long < 1304280987 86986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope XigXag is TC :) < 1304280993 335077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1304280999 705147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has exponential growth for almost all programs < 1304281003 925209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it inherently isn't? < 1304281008 464589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can encode a halting state < 1304281065 98317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :evangelic spam on freenode, in #perl. Huh < 1304281070 716838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh so tempting < 1304281072 558394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it < 1304281075 738178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of which, why was my client in there) < 1304281084 587221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's larry wall doing it < 1304281089 409257 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304281097 786591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. [proceeding to highlight every nick in channel]" < 1304281100 538705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that < 1304281108 427357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1304281108 616879 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not evangelic.. < 1304281109 546316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Larry Wall < 1304281111 484852 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's someone just trolling < 1304281119 886999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: stop being intolerant to larry wall < 1304281125 674110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, evangelism is trolling! < 1304281129 353579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1304281134 613253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of a religion where being freenode staffer is a sin though < 1304281160 830795 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that what's going ot happen is... I solve thsi thing then the answer doesn't work < 1304281168 170297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do taht a lto. < 1304281181 829810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo day? < 1304281188 351290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mispeled tpyo and dya < 1304281189 853972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I meant tyop dya < 1304281201 628562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tyop not tpyo < 1304281203 797783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jgeus ist nto hdar < 1304281208 376959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gte ti rhgit < 1304281213 376718 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wall.org/~larry/ < 1304281219 497433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, jgeus? < 1304281228 757639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm allowed to typo a typo < 1304281233 83467 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the helll < 1304281249 433290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stop discriminatingery < 1304281266 202130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant: what does "jgeus" mean? < 1304281274 360863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a typo of jegus :P < 1304281313 388382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304281318 107586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks up that word* < 1304281323 916862 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry wall has a black on blinding yellow website about perl and cornea transplants. < 1304281332 306795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh "No definitions were found for jegus." < 1304281335 676453 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how. amazing. < 1304281345 234882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :days since vorpal has told elliott he doesn't know what jegus is: 0 < 1304281350 464959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous days since vorpal has told elliott he doesn't know what jegus is: like two? maybe three < 1304281352 274996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the most < 1304281355 554642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nooo < 1304281356 954456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :u jelus? < 1304281360 994376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me Grep! Logs! < 1304281434 957568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm where is it... < 1304281445 326321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was gog < 1304281478 424268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHO WAS GOG? < 1304281524 859606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its then not but < 1304281538 338303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, jegus was never used before 2011-04-30 in this channel as far as clog knows < 1304281541 486823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is clog btw < 1304281548 533938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :down like always < 1304281553 476959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> select * from irc.logs where body ilike '%jegus%'; < 1304281553 666631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : serial | tstamp | nick | target | uhost | type | body < 1304281553 666833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :---------+---------------------+----------+--------+-------+------+------------------------------------------------------ < 1304281553 666945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2276817 | 2011-04-30 06:43:48 | elliott | | | 0 | crystal-cola: jegus go to bed already < 1304281554 427295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `where' < 1304281554 616868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2277258 | 2011-04-30 20:35:42 | elliott_ | | | 0 | Sgeo: don't know/care/anything/really/honestly/jegus < 1304281558 576806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 rows) < 1304281559 117179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why arent you rsyncing the glogbot logs thats quicker < 1304281575 315596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need to parse them. Different parser < 1304281578 635239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1304281579 125961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use < 1304281579 514797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep < 1304281584 758894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, takes longer < 1304281589 824441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, than a FTS index < 1304281593 25053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can narrow it down to just this year obviously... < 1304281598 113725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fgrep is insanely fucking fast < 1304281605 740396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my disks are not! < 1304281616 79104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have SATA 1 < 1304281633 500521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and medium-speed (7200 RPM) disks. < 1304281649 860469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to upgrade to SATA N < 1304281661 319193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sata 2? < 1304281683 10996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of wind here today < 1304281709 375720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just inserted n for you < 1304281758 782393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said < 1304281794 629208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1304281844 592909 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :>X( < 1304281862 302692 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't make any sense < 1304281941 93896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1304282331 680690 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't working at all < 1304282792 940425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can you do loops with slahes? < 1304282805 999802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it is rather complicated though, see the wiki page. < 1304282844 116344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need to use quine-making techniques) < 1304282941 111029 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304282968 505989 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1304282980 834351 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I already found the mechanism on that wiki page. But thanks anyway. < 1304283004 852476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1304283054 38509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have exclamation mark < 1304283065 537201 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never ! < 1304283092 13464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh wow a slashes quine with \/ will be hard (trying to replicate your achievement) < 1304283095 224775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops look at that i give up < 1304283151 924877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible to output every string with this language?? < 1304283153 908984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304283182 56690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just prepend \ to every / and \ < 1304283276 433386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the quine is heavily influenced by the previous work of the BCT interpreter in finding out how to encode tokens without ambiguity. moreover there's a small adjustment because the exact same encoding didn't work < 1304283287 517609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're an ambiguity < 1304283294 828122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1304283296 894592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he meant IO-complete style < 1304283309 186449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um /// has no input < 1304283331 125347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still yes in my opinion < 1304283355 643248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O-complete :) < 1304283358 162181 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think his problem was, if you have a construct /x/s/, you can't use x as a character in s. < 1304283372 950770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: all you have to do is be careful not to use single-character abbreviations and tokens, and then printing any single character is relatively easy < 1304283376 232122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: it was more < 1304283379 540260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after /x/s/ you can never have x again < 1304283382 669530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to do it a different way < 1304283393 548765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: any thoughts on thue->/// compilation btw? < 1304283407 277636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no problem as long as you do tokens with more than one character < 1304283416 705653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes i've pondered that occasionally < 1304283432 755492 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just use a character combination that will never occur in the rest of the program? < 1304283442 264469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it's easiest if you do it in a parallel fashion < 1304283453 503759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: yep < 1304283498 169740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: an important trick here is that if you have more than one character in a token, say CH, then you can still "mention" that token by escaping it with C\H < 1304283520 598078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does that actually work < 1304283521 171360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1304283524 827536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mention itself won't be affected < 1304283532 169262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /CH/poop/CH C\H < 1304283533 306984 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop CH < 1304283551 495209 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, nice < 1304283559 924220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use the mention to make new copies of the token < 1304283709 542216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in practice when using the loop quoting mechanism, you use that for separating a token instead. although sometimes i've had to do both, it depends on when the new program copy is unpacked and what needs to be done after that < 1304283713 901310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1304283773 484082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : how to do character substituion < 1304283783 695384 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say you want a->x, b->y < 1304283789 914440 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to turn abba into abbaxyyx < 1304283807 763267 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what strings is it not possible for slashes to output? < 1304283817 72995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: about thue, because it is non-deterministic you can simply apply _all_ the thue substitutions each cycle, and the result will be a consistent thue running path < 1304283832 510955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh, cool < 1304283847 399466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i believe would simplify the compilation into /// greatly < 1304283867 560909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it is possible to output all strings < 1304283943 653752 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how to turn abba into abbaxyyz <-- you will need to use the quoting trick to be able to handle different copies of abba differently < 1304283981 218448 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actualy can't do it? < 1304283988 37238 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could turn uvvu into abbaxyyx < 1304283992 637128 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not abba into abbaxyyx? < 1304284010 121283 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind that's the same thing, just the second one takes two steps. < 1304284012 165196 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now < 1304284047 902983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: well i was assuming you meant in a general fashion < 1304284088 856458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /ba/Zxyyx//Z/b\a//abba < 1304284109 975117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1304284112 517641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /ba/Zxyyx//Z/b\a/abba < 1304284113 736544 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbaxyyx < 1304284162 112687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: another possibility is to iterate over the abba from one side to the other. < 1304284198 469637 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general things get simpler if you don't demand your strings be represented "raw" < 1304284218 758071 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iteration requires some kind of loop, of course < 1304284246 565422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although possibly a simpler, fixed number iteration one) < 1304284594 433221 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304284596 788122 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1304284616 482243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: what < 1304284626 392378 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am frustrated < 1304284639 410458 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get any software that I wanted and I couldn't solve by hand either < 1304284657 280163 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to write a proper program to do this some day in the future < 1304284669 876206 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a hassle < 1304284684 616516 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solve what? < 1304284695 794754 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ax=0 < 1304284707 394667 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks easy :/ < 1304284751 790892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: maybe http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/Vec/0.9.6/doc/html/Data-Vec-LinAlg.html ? < 1304284766 99411 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I couldn't figure out how to use that :RS < 1304284796 518316 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type classes do look a little hairy... < 1304284840 893255 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, the context of solve goes over two lines. < 1304284861 492064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd imagine there would be _some_ instance combination involving Rationals and lists available... < 1304284915 377396 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be an interesting programming problem when im not so annoyed about not being able to solve it immediately < 1304284923 525947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that :. thing < 1304284981 541135 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The list of instances here is not meant to be readable" < 1304285020 768097 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vectors are represented by lists with type-encoded lengths." < 1304285039 846453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that means [] lists are out of the question < 1304285111 300446 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304285194 822247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmatrix seems to be single and double floating point only... < 1304285539 387463 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seesm that I have been /away since the begninng of November :-S < 1304285589 739916 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-63.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304285650 853015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: :D < 1304285655 710869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: where have you been :P < 1304285669 41626 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSPA < 1304285681 831047 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS paint adventures < 1304285687 990147 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually drawn in MS paint) < 1304285690 472840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it's eating up all of us < 1304285698 237480 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a co-incidence < 1304285709 638183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon there will be no #esoteric, just a bunch of idlers < 1304285713 118090 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am running a forum adventure on the forums < 1304285746 516129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :"Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" --John McCain < 1304285749 365468 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how inventive I am with usernames, I think you have the information to find it < 1304285751 623071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, topic fixed < 1304285764 963323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :"Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" -- John McCain < 1304285785 12040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient babylonian quote < 1304285790 91481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arf arf arf < 1304285848 706496 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sooner or later, any sufficiently-good quotation will become attributed to someone more famous than whoever originally said it." -- Winston Churchill < 1304285863 25303 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually me) < 1304285869 506031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Mark Twain < 1304285875 739990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304285882 183326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say < 1304285891 285737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark twain suits that quote better than winston < 1304286017 331977 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it is better to re-arrange the phrases: "Any sufficiently-good quotation sooner ora later becomes attributed to someone more famous than whoever originally said it." < 1304286086 685992 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's "forall quotations (exist a time after which (...))", not the other way round < 1304286090 317505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i think the original phrasing was better < 1304286128 402136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both map to the same fol expression semantically < 1304286130 502516 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out of this channel you... liberal-arts major < 1304286132 371736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is weird like that < 1304286141 311361 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fol"? < 1304286142 101371 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any sufficiently-good quotation is indistinguishable from fame < 1304286169 648586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :liberal-arts fol < 1304286177 168261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently formulaic expression is indistinguishable from its snowclones < 1304286205 975313 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently-well understood magic is by definition a technology < 1304286214 785701 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"99% of quotations are misattributed" -- Einstein < 1304286232 633400 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i read approximately that one in girl genius < 1304286233 393231 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83% of statistics are made up on the spot < 1304286246 512937 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, yeah I remember that < 1304286248 941382 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :83% of quotations are made up on the spot < 1304286260 530554 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"83% of quotations are made up on the spot" - SimonRC < 1304286290 628862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Oscar Wilde < 1304286293 177882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"100% of quotations have been made up by someone" - quintopia < 1304286307 208945 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to 2 decimal places) < 1304286355 422493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :96% of fictional matter isn't real < 1304286368 731829 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and fiction is far stranger than truth) < 1304286376 30848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--SimonRC < 1304286399 879028 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what *he* said. < 1304286400 320136 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"US Patent #5,893,120 has been reduced to mathematical formulae as a demonstration of the oft-ignored fact that there is an equivalence relation between programs and mathematics. You may recognize Patent #5,893,210 as the one over which Google was ordered to pay $5M for infringing due to some code in Linux." -- Shakespear < 1304286428 186509 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I invented the mle form of that independantly AFAICR) < 1304286437 675507 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After reading some articles on feminism.) < 1304286451 24755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mle fol < 1304286485 713085 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this "fol" thing? < 1304286515 640475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a typo you made :D < 1304286518 610855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1304286520 330277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia made it < 1304286533 607937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm just appending it to every typo you make :P < 1304286565 634700 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented "loq" for when I loled silently too. < 1304286597 192177 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :WBFULGFWUNBOUWFNA < 1304286600 402516 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304286617 813174 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: ?? < 1304286633 828451 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "radicals" are stupid < 1304286640 181491 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :square roots and cube roots and stuff < 1304286640 456300 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FOL <-- so now you know) < 1304286648 607524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: you're radical < 1304286654 956723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: FROWN OUT LOUD < 1304286709 722227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am pretty sure it wasn't a typo when quintopia made it < 1304286721 705427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right first-order logic < 1304286724 80839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're a fol oerjan < 1304286725 211259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a fol < 1304286743 19329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i keep quantifying things < 1304286756 925367 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as any fule kno < 1304286764 977210 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-- Nigel Molesworth) < 1304286778 956791 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.universalrejection.org/ < 1304286785 175408 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :The founding principle of the Journal of Universal Rejection (JofUR) is rejection. Universal rejection. That is to say, all submissions, regardless of quality, will be rejected. Despite that apparent drawback, here are a number of reasons you may choose to submit to the JofUR: < 1304286796 590690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a print edition < 1304286826 492394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'll be delayed until they have enough accepted submissions to make a full issue < 1304286833 731492 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1304286834 393210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they've released issues, see the site < 1304286841 612054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they empty? < 1304286843 488905 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could sell it as a joke to fund the place < 1304286849 380534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not your web browser < 1304286849 683076 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1304286891 327044 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may claim to have submitted to the most prestigious journal (judged by acceptance rate)." < 1304286894 504952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1304287390 465220 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304287398 433980 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reprobatiocerta.blogspot.com/ < 1304287430 961891 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304287789 874903 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304287944 326970 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304288341 412494 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A life spent coming up with inane quotes is wasted" - Mark Twain < 1304288383 479047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HOPE HE SAID NOTHING ABOUT PUNS < 1304288464 894372 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304288493 499418 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's "pune" < 1304288509 878313 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, the real spelling's pun, but Death's spelling is pune) < 1304288582 311902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I doubt that was the sole reason elliott ignored you, although it might have been the last straw < 1304288603 999323 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain that he really did ignore me, just said that he was. I hope >.> < 1304288608 400120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304288611 10387 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304288766 706020 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :"Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" -- John "Satan" McCain < 1304288904 414259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: great topic! < 1304288914 563706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gregor: < 1304288936 241744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the above is proof that my fingers have memorised pinging Gregor on one character < 1304288960 599311 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames EgoBot to GregoBot and HackEgo to GackEgo < 1304288973 308492 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION particularly likes "GregoBot" :P < 1304288982 647384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that your client doesn't apply last speaker priority < 1304288992 516782 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304288994 386606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or... < 1304289017 816498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes. < 1304289109 746770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does, Gregor hadn't spoken all day < 1304289118 806570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it just picked the first in alphabetical order < 1304289175 208909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1304289223 814061 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illogical < 1304289294 889183 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from ais523: 1304238071.85 second(s) < 1304289297 470872 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh? < 1304289314 318640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you /sure/ you didn't send me a ping that long ago? < 1304289332 467136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Internet wasn't that developed back then < 1304289339 916377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have taken a long time to roundtrip < 1304289360 666569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that that was the current Unix timestamp :P < 1304289370 673858 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you pinged me on January 1, 1970. < 1304289373 751075 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1304289383 243155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1304289394 732643 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it scary that I recognised the timestamp? < 1304289419 244041 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause I keep seeing things around that are named after it, so it is only natural < 1304289426 519203 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the math :P < 1304289438 594685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 CTCP PING reply from Gregor: 0.687 seconds < 1304289438 784061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 CTCP PING reply from Gregor: 0.832 seconds < 1304289438 784242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:34 CTCP PING reply from Gregor: 1.122 seconds < 1304289452 596736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: _someone_ is outdoing you, here... < 1304289465 945765 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course, oerjan is in Acandanavia < 1304289469 765855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You are outdoing them here!!! < 1304289473 238557 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Scandanavia < 1304289481 972872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I entered a plausible timestamp, but your client seems to use a different format for its pings < 1304289486 605095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so failed to parse it < 1304289517 911599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ping replies are not supposed to make up timestamps < 1304289529 660293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're meant to be a copy of the ping itself < 1304289534 839935 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1304289538 519476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most clients, when pinging, put the current time in the ping, in some format < 1304289546 9048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can match up pings and pongs < 1304289551 59029 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never PINGED though. < 1304289553 475065 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you ponged me :P < 1304289558 705824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often, if you pong them with a timestamp, they assume they sent the matching ping < 1304289592 945553 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NOTICE #esoteric :PING < 1304289620 422734 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :h i z z 0 < 1304289641 931012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my client doesn't parse that without an argument < 1304289647 990286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just showed the NOTICE literally < 1304289649 859554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine neither < 1304289652 406348 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Malformed ping reply from zzo38." O.o < 1304289658 291311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't think it parses ping replies sent to channel < 1304289671 349530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that just to see what would happen < 1304289681 27383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NOTICE #esoteric :PING 1304238071 < 1304289695 546383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: was mine correctly formed? < 1304289696 925657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:40 CTCP PING reply from ais523: 51404.370 seconds < 1304289703 115296 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nope < 1304289715 334465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's... bizzarre < 1304289718 686130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave a recent UNIX timestamp < 1304289732 342546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is recent, sort of :D < 1304289897 49075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and often, if you pong them with a timestamp, they assume they sent the matching ping <-- well if a client _does_ check for matches then it doesn't actually need to send a timestamp, it could use any id < 1304289905 148178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1304289924 496121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since the main point of matching would then be to find the original time sent... < 1304290486 177873 :MDude1350!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304290530 424335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from zzo38: 1,304,289,356 seconds. < 1304290637 762087 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEA6D.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1304290789 764295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1304290798 321022 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1304291020 15437 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes /away for a few months again. < 1304291070 967543 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304291097 275449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC is secretly a STL starship captain < 1304291113 681585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, planetship < 1304291360 422727 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304291528 719129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What category of programming languages would classified TeX? < 1304291545 507216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative, surely < 1304291564 454741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro < 1304291566 154951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, but in addition to commands it also has macro expansions < 1304291589 452096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in other words too; imperative programming languages can belong to other categories too < 1304291598 201785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said macro < 1304291603 811453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a category < 1304291669 85948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering might be one... < 1304291683 430153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros can also modify themself!! And you can save the old state of things for later, for example: \ifnum\pageno=0 {\let\xyzzy} \else [Do Something Else] \fi \xyzzy < 1304291737 819189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does typesetting as well, it doesn't actually render fonts though (that is what the printer driver will do) < 1304291745 380256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304291773 976837 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to know sizes though < 1304291799 514743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does need to know sizes and various other information about the fonts, except for the actual pictures < 1304291977 596058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other information includes: design size, em width, ex height, natural space width, space shrinkability, space stretchability, kerning, ligatures, italic corrections, height/depth of characters, widths of the bar above a math radical, etc < 1304291987 488834 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304292019 181707 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Client Quit < 1304292052 223826 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304292184 431310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format that stores this information is very sensible in my opinion, and works without floating point. < 1304292319 210151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304292757 341297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing missing from TeX in my opinion is the #0 command (like #1 and #2 and so on to access macro parameters, #0 would access the name of the macro itself, like $0 in shell scripts) < 1304293107 12735 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes aptitude makes some truly bizarre decisions. I try to install something which, as it turns out, requires a newer version of libc than I have. So its first suggestion is to uninstall half the system AND not install the package I requested. The SECOND suggestion is to upgrade libc and a few other packages that need to be upgraded with it (nothing uninstalled). < 1304293144 742168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it do that? If it is wrong, can you correct it or file a bug report? < 1304293603 236407 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304293978 325790 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304294199 948028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304294257 883028 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea how to type in arbitrary unicode things < 1304294258 962658 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304294310 549091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0e angers at h5s Fn 2ey. < 1304294331 367051 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back soon < 1304294410 887273 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304294430 368565 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, most of the Scandinavia dudes have nice and short words. You've got your Swedes, your Finns, and your Danes. < 1304294445 196845 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Norway and Iceland can't cooperate; they have to have Norwegians and Icelanders. < 1304294525 469860 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We ought to call them Nords and... something. < 1304294625 251575 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nords and ice. They don't get a proper noun, or a word that distinguishes between the singular and the plural. They're just ice. < 1304294703 144782 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm fine with calling them Icelanders. < 1304294773 988389 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norons and Cubes. < 1304294783 417230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304294834 903123 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe "noroms" < 1304295084 271891 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you keep half-insulting us like that, we may have to rejuvenate "vikings". < 1304295089 398021 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304295126 890634 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those Noroms are so sensitive 8-D < 1304295264 236295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur a morom < 1304295266 232204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mormon < 1304295364 267481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :targ norn dead < 1304295416 187943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enum 4 0 0 dead next < 1304295636 474079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304295692 530250 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304295741 705324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304296069 835027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is interpreted programming language, not compiled. It can be compiled into a binary code but not the native code, but they also have category codes < 1304296790 735198 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304299618 821912 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304303993 974677 :MDude1350!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1304304493 331565 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304304798 482710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304305466 91112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "BIDAK IQUOOD" the good name for D&D characters??? < 1304305756 65514 :mrjbq7!~jbenedik@71-83-117-66.static.reno.nv.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304305996 489187 :mrjbq7!~jbenedik@71-83-117-66.static.reno.nv.charter.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1304306336 977754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not there proper name, but it is the name that everyone else has to use for them. < 1304306745 688491 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304307313 68797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304308468 540996 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304309538 716809 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304309538 978285 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-95-139.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304309539 167492 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304309758 39500 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304313159 886319 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304313168 350014 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1304313279 759502 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304313905 162844 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304314192 734879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oy < 1304314296 478495 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304318152 686269 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304318573 59985 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304318779 391917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1304320860 913236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304322082 837590 :XXX-76C28611432!~XXX-76C28@190.254.8.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304322153 811801 :XXX-76C28611432!~XXX-76C28@190.254.8.36 QUIT :Client Quit < 1304326676 33199 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304327316 851915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone awake and willing to help me? < 1304327438 896500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellohello? < 1304328324 170081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll teach me to math < 1304328326 539647 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF450.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304328366 566698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went from x' - x0 = -(y - y0) to forgetting to distribute that - to the y < 1304329644 126592 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awake. < 1304329646 356988 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up? < 1304329658 725599 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I probably can't help you, but I might as well try, right?) < 1304329761 346404 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1304329761 533899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304329791 4515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already solved my problem < 1304329795 563931 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Derp. < 1304329801 763940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty anyway < 1304329844 967796 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, what were you trying to do? < 1304329885 705904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out some rotation stuff < 1304329907 984202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1856142 < 1304329934 331618 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok. < 1304329950 572588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted verification that that was correct. After I fixed another bug with my rotation stuff, realized for certain that that was incorrect. Some annoying debugging later, I see that I lost a - < 1304329971 508585 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what you're doing. < 1304329972 598328 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEat. < 1304329977 447975 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. *e < 1304330152 122857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say 90 degrees somewhere in there, but me < 1304330153 512908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1304330157 260611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the gun right now < 1304331394 326075 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304331557 351732 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304334031 277316 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304334710 346925 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304335516 82515 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304336913 183204 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304337134 691884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me what is wrong with this < 1304337145 691241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :regcomp(regex,".*rvm(.+)-([0-9]+)-([0-9]+)\\.log$",REG_NEWLINE) < 1304337184 688589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in every regex tester i've tried that in, it matches "rvmtestseg-1000-100.log" < 1304337191 38729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my program it doesn't match that < 1304337227 675367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :blithely reports no match on the exact same string < 1304337232 663631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE < 1304337648 837684 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304338068 421880 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304338624 844530 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what, are you writing a your own regex library? < 1304338634 323377 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ba\b// < 1304338721 315671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you left an extra space in there < 1304338731 245285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this is the only regex i need to work < 1304338877 322823 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF450.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sure you don't need REG_EXTENDED for $? < 1304338913 29369 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dropped the $ and it still didn't work, so the problem is obviously elsewhere < 1304338933 767270 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use \(...\) instead of (...). < 1304338957 955129 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, i was sleepy and missed sisacusa's answer. well, basically similar. < 1304338966 314891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304338971 360012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it extended worked < 1304338979 463347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the parens are extended RE < 1304338996 176105 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parens without \ in front are extended-style. < 1304339171 365107 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a rectangular matrix of integers define? < 1304339177 287435 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a lattice or something? < 1304339790 474238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a projection < 1304339815 942968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1304339822 391207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask of integers in particular < 1304339898 414480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304341192 786339 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304342060 798486 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1304342810 560260 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just wondering about integers < 1304342838 592894 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that matrices represent linear transforms but there are probably other interpretations too (?) < 1304343482 435613 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 111111111 11111 < 1304343483 866132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1304343486 45603 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 111111111 111111111111111 < 1304343487 405940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111 < 1304343489 399603 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 1111111111 111111111111111 < 1304343490 725842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111 < 1304343496 45089 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread "gcd" there as "god" < 1304343501 532050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what the god function was. < 1304343514 264358 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let god = gcd < 1304343515 733910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1304343528 681944 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr god 1 [2,4..100] < 1304343530 812558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1304343539 646704 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_drugnb < 1304343539 951652 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this time, and god was just the greatest common divisor. < 1304343543 777223 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr god 0 [2,4..100] < 1304343545 650882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1304343707 996478 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why gcd 111111111...11 111111..111 = 111...1111 < 1304343796 170119 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304343841 596378 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000100010001 * 1111 < 1304343842 916186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111111111 < 1304343882 212136 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 111111111^2 < 1304343883 401769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12345678987654321 < 1304343908 410019 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repunit < 1304343987 329220 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map length $ group .sort . show $ 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111^2 < 1304343989 512732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [12,8,13,12,12,12,12,12,6,12] < 1304343996 336367 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map length $ group .sort . show $ 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111^2 < 1304343998 551794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [18,11,20,19,18,18,18,18,9,18] < 1304344005 80613 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map length $ group .sort . show $ 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111^2 < 1304344007 463532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [28,16,30,30,30,30,30,30,16,29] < 1304344065 496590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 111111111^2 12345678987654321 <-- huh, neat < 1304344105 47863 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1304344107 475919 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 111111111 < 1304344112 79208 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1111111110 < 1304344113 587442 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1304344115 815617 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht should be a plus < 1304344136 652627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, which one should be a plus? < 1304344144 558206 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111 < 1304344150 190283 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 111110 < 1304344153 171702 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 1111100 < 1304344153 936711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304344169 97517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304344335 754312 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any nice proof < 1304344351 24743 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd 111..111 111..111 = 111..111? < 1304344478 480854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, wait is that not the same as gcd x x = x ? < 1304344493 334448 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ... are different < 1304344501 629167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, oh okay < 1304344551 435001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, what happens for other bases than base 10? does the same work if you read the number as, say, an octal number? < 1304344607 72558 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's the same in all bases < 1304344634 97364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. There is probably a reason but I have no clue what it could be < 1304344676 333520 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 999999999999999 99999999999 < 1304344677 614986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1304344678 567365 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 999999999999999 999999 < 1304344679 943476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 999 < 1304344698 2988 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 777777 777 < 1304344699 324841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 777 < 1304344701 540788 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 77777777777777 777777 < 1304344702 781688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 77 < 1304344703 41202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304344709 106859 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 333333333 333333333333333333333333 < 1304344710 260786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 333 < 1304344724 839905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really like to know why < 1304344730 813015 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> god 666666666666 666666 < 1304344733 19766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 5555555555555555 555555555555555555 < 1304344733 207136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 666666 < 1304344733 749213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55 < 1304344739 80293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 5555555555555555 555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 < 1304344739 778086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55 < 1304344741 583008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304344750 987116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 5555555555555555 5555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 < 1304344751 747959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1304344757 697212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304344766 367753 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 1313131313131313 1313131313 < 1304344767 612867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 < 1304344769 676230 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 1313131313131313 1313131313131313 < 1304344771 175610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1313131313131313 < 1304344784 485137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 13131313131313131 13131313131313131 < 1304344785 424616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13131313131313131 < 1304344787 807237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304344790 75965 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 13371337133713371337133713371337 133713371337133713371337133713371337 < 1304344791 523764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1337 < 1304344803 892893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 12341234 1234123412341234 < 1304344804 572820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12341234 < 1304344818 151811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, there better be a good reason for this! < 1304344836 517942 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be a coincidence :P < 1304344845 942371 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if no others than the ones we happened to try out did this < 1304344870 77904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, imagine that most but not all did this < 1304344883 465914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very likely though < 1304344888 341543 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would eb weird < 1304344917 233693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, well, some stuff only have counter-examples for very very large numbers. < 1304345307 950495 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1304345537 416130 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304345547 328971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it reduces to showing 10..010..010..01 does not have common divisors with (that same thing with more ..) < 1304345559 227284 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :10..010..010..01 = 11111 in base 1000! < 1304345561 77423 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1304345564 327453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they are coprime < 1304345651 780672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, dividing by 111..111 may be the thing to do to see that < 1304345732 434509 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-238.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304346625 407010 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304346719 638343 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304350320 539214 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304350497 413915 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304350838 774667 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANTED: Grammar description language capable of describing indentation-sensitive languages which isn't just "BNF + indentation bullshit" < 1304350953 644161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just preconvert the indentation to braces < 1304351010 90204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't give me anything fundamentally interesting. < 1304351077 654011 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want is to find a set of languages slightly greater than CFLs that includes indentation-sensitive languages, but still has some meaningful guarantees (parseable in finite time?) < 1304351176 585453 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, obviously "parseable in finite time" is not a good property since that's CSLs :P < 1304351243 60127 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I wonder if there's something in between that includes Python's grammar but excludes English, which is fundamentally more interesting than "CFLs + Python" < 1304351286 555866 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also Haskell, etc) < 1304351640 485155 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, if I allow this: IfStatement = / /*n /if/ IfCondition /:/ Newline NestedStatements(n) \ NestedStatements(n) = / /*(m>n) Statement (Newline NestedStatements(n)){opt} < 1304351697 442280 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere one of those should be marked as a peek, but anyway. < 1304351712 519112 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What property can allow me to describe the carrying of these "repetition values"? Clearly this is not a CFL, and yet if I had a strict description of what allowed this it would be much weaker than CSLs. < 1304352741 931666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304352745 700408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i hear obama died < 1304352785 435322 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the world is free of islam now < 1304352802 205283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misspelled muslin < 1304352836 905396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:40:38: WANTED: Grammar description language capable of describing indentation-sensitive languages which isn't just "BNF + indentation bullshit" < 1304352840 443028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is this for Fythe? :P < 1304352847 247050 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I asked in the otehr channel < 1304352853 571929 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the death of Osama bin laden lead to any new insights into the Riemann hypothesis? < 1304352853 841243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other channel < 1304352861 470609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1304352879 658678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, Haskell and Python do it differently. < 1304352895 187972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indentation-for-braces is totally non-context-free-and-all-sorts-of-shit, Haskell's is probably even worse. < 1304352906 556725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Preprocessing is pretty much the only option /shrug < 1304353045 694176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: go invent two-dimensional BNF < 1304353062 384358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, see the file as a two-dimensional image, not as a sequence of bytes < 1304353069 681963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there might be merit to that approach < 1304353373 888056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304355853 459036 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304356161 616542 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (not here): Well, my plan is to just make it so any general function can be used as a parser, which solves all problems, but I was just wondering if I could find a middle-ground. < 1304356171 74592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: go invent two-dimensional BNF < 1304356171 262304 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : as in, see the file as a two-dimensional image, not as a sequence of bytes < 1304356172 915051 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This I like. < 1304356228 400463 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1304356366 555739 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1304356366 782867 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1304356413 639321 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304356413 826993 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304357099 458788 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304357099 646399 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304357099 646546 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304357324 50332 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304357632 225115 :tzxn3!~user@cpc1-mapp3-0-0-cust381.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304358233 841043 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-130-84.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304358458 582099 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-124-143.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304358618 325540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304359147 181207 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet (note: no actual bet) that you could divide indentation-sensitive languages into two CFL (or near-CFL?) parsing steps given the "view it as a 2D array" approach, one of which is top-to-bottom-then-left-to-right and essentially ends up being the brace-adding preprocessing step (this in the case of Python where it really is just brace-adding), and the other is a standard left-to-right-then-top-to-bottom by-the-book parser. < 1304359232 223218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aftertherapturepetcare.com/ < 1304359254 613128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the URL is enough, there's no need to even visit the website < 1304359258 751154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1304359271 15261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but you need to be thinking about Haskell here, where you can freely mix {;}-style blocks and aligned-or-indented blocks < 1304359272 489727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, both < 1304359273 997254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do abc < 1304359276 166606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : def < 1304359276 863740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1304359278 813113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... = do < 1304359280 356117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : abc < 1304359282 405079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : def < 1304359284 194418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are valid block styles. < 1304359286 518420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically it's a mess, lexer-wise. < 1304359313 846239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure you can do it as just "everything must line up with the first code line, and the first code line can have arbitrary whitespace before it", but still.) < 1304359361 515371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who are these Volunteer Pet Caretakers and how do I know they'll take good care of my pets? < 1304359362 598242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Volunteer Pet Caretakers fit this description: < 1304359362 785808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are atheist or another non-Christian religion. < 1304359368 647124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I have to sign up as a caretaker it's too hilarious not to. < 1304359373 387523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I got throttled. < 1304359376 45700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you freenode. < 1304359400 302449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As far as the data about all registered pets, it is located on Google servers (the most secure servers in the world) as well as our own server in Lansing, Michigan (away from political and military hot spots to minimize chance of destruction if there is a post-Rapture war)." < 1304359564 240230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thinking about it, the people in charge of that site are probably very smart < 1304359574 761212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm /thinking/ it's a joke < 1304359576 839334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're likely hoping that their services are completely useless < 1304359577 908722 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have a responsibility, as a good steward of your pets, to ensure your pet is taken care of if something happens to you, such as death or rapture." < 1304359580 497623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so well-done I can't tell < 1304359585 978013 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how this sentence starts totally reasonable, then goes retarded. < 1304359591 646265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they can charge for them anyway, and people will purchase it, it'll make a fortune < 1304359602 143807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wow, it turns amazing in the last word < 1304359608 905476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's only ten dollars initial signup :P < 1304359617 614438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And NO MONTHLY FEES < 1304359643 575050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope it allows a method of payment other than credit card < 1304359658 166536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it triggers that "number required for buying and selling" bit of Revelations < 1304359663 518194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing is it even sort of makes sense from a Christian point of view... you might not trust atheists to follow up on their word, but shit, who's gonna be an atheist after the fuckin' Rapture? < 1304359681 461154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahaha < 1304359692 966318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. nitpick it's Revelation < 1304359725 883557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit's great, as it sets the sort of people who interpret the Bible literally against the sort of people who spend their time thinking up of new ways to deny human rights for their own profit < 1304359736 699721 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : otherwise it triggers that "number required for buying and selling" bit of Revelations // they're not trying to STOP the rapture < 1304359749 246438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304359753 654277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing has SO MANY LAYERS < 1304359760 143455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point I want it to be real :P < 1304359780 806200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but the people buying the services might be afraid that by buying the rapture petcare service, they're willingly accepting the mark of the beast < 1304359785 385289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, obviously you just have to convert your pets to Christianity and they'll get raptured with you. < 1304359787 407534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that later on, when the rapture actually happens, they won't be included < 1304359797 494846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't, well, it's their fault for not accepting Animal Jesus' love. < 1304359801 934519 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Woof Jesus woof woof" < 1304359807 895858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meowsus < 1304359808 516138 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304359821 93612 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- guaranteed anti-rapture insurance. < 1304359821 375416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Yahweasel said to Meowsus... < 1304359840 235254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :googled "furry bible", was not disappointed < 1304359851 193859 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1304359851 472162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] a Bible fanfic - FanFiction.Net" < 1304359856 639173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as the Book of Mormon. < 1304359863 429238 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304359893 896418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the person who wrote this furry bible ever actually read a bible < 1304359991 167991 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a catperson, and brought her unto the man. < 1304360008 898238 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Amen) < 1304360080 441787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay guiyz, bf joust < 1304360087 569678 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nose, rite? < 1304360094 120683 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep wanting to catch up, but haven't had the time. < 1304360105 364122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowpoke still reigns < 1304360110 711981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure the idea you had is unbeatable? < 1304360153 943259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: quintopia: Are you ever gonna code that fixed-point system or do I have to < 1304360162 903039 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have to. < 1304360170 172685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wanna ;_; < 1304360171 703932 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never was going to, btw. < 1304360174 634419 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-124-143.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304360179 850925 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Enjoy doing that without a 1-8 btw. < 1304360180 284370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but maybe you changed your mind :| < 1304360185 820034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: It'll be great. < 1304360200 501764 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, have a "#" so you can #define < 1304360204 351118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks bro < 1304360226 161039 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you just need #define ONE (9/9) #define TWO (ONE+ONE) etc < 1304360234 708330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i started it but then i had to do these huge stupid projects. i finished the lrvm thing and so i should be able to finally get back to that next week < 1304360256 275011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Excellent < 1304360266 218955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Hooray, maybe I'll even write lance. < 1304360271 306425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think slightly-improved-slowpoke is unbeatable; but I can't find any viable way to beat it with a defensive program < 1304360272 905815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO DEADLINE BITCHES < 1304360285 767056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't matter if the hill has enough good attacker programs, though < 1304360290 406882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, matches don't exist in a vacuum < 1304360291 194316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can definitely be beaten by programs similar to itself and slightly tweaked < 1304360292 510780 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-26-189.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304360297 621909 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: THEN WHY ISN'T IT ON THE HILL < 1304360300 19130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe by different aggressive strategies altogether < 1304360332 458279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I haven't written slightly-improved-slowpoke yet; a) it's theoretical, b) there's no point as it'd just get one win that slowpoke doesn't, against anticipation < 1304360352 69481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slight improvement would make slowpoke rather longer, by a factor of 4 or so, as it doesn't RLE well < 1304360378 987061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need a new construct, <...> < 1304360391 305903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it runs the innards as a regular-BF-without-input-and-with-BF-Joust-shorthand program < 1304360397 197263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then inserts the output into the program < 1304360399 224392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant isn't it < 1304360401 419052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can even nest < 1304360405 360478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I really want is (?number) from Perl < 1304360415 566446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do what? < 1304360417 961190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although even that wouldn't compress anticipation all the way < 1304360429 631739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically, "replace this with a copy of the nth paren group in the program" < 1304360437 233207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's subroutines < 1304360439 370699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating < 1304360440 28839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304360445 432625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: recursive subroutines < 1304360452 434855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it's cheating < 1304360454 231487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it can do recursion? ugh < 1304360455 887402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1304360460 570186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by putting it inside itself < 1304360465 755032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it expand to an infinite string, conceptually? < 1304360468 839312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, (a(?1)?b) < 1304360469 723770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus be disallowed by a sane implementation? < 1304360480 859537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it would, you'd need to put some sort of limit on there < 1304360505 871307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly < 1304360513 69672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be ok with something like < 1304360514 888204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(code)=name < 1304360516 994754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1304360522 46233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(name)[at sign] < 1304360523 21431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1304360528 146281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for efficiently-interpreted macros < 1304360530 108900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1304360531 830216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cheating < 1304360535 523546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than huge programs < 1304360621 80242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought of an interesting alternative for a separate hill, which bans huge and highly-nested programs, which works like this: a) all programs must fit in one line of IRC (510 chars minus headers); b) ({})% abbreviation can't be used, just ()*; c) defensive tiebreak rule < 1304360657 805146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the defensive tiebreak rule is, if the run times out, whenever a program used . at least 59 times in a row, it gains 1 point for each time it used it in excess of the 58th < 1304360657 992825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's boring :) < 1304360664 60046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whichever program got more points wins < 1304360698 201673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the motivation behind this is that a full-tape clear is the typical way defense programs win, but takes a lot of space to write < 1304360698 389272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304360698 576959 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.115.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304360718 406254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have at least 59 cycles spare, and know the number exactly, you can fit in part of a full-tape clear < 1304360725 786976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just let the program do . a lot and imply the clear for them < 1304360867 6798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that change will leave aggressive and defensive programs of similar complexity the same length < 1304360868 884360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304360871 53664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: arguably, for the main hill, we /really/ need a TC macro language < 1304360872 963673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : because in the long run, it'll either be that or gigantic programs < 1304360874 881044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : because BF has almost zero abstraction capability, and with BF Joust, the fact that every cycle matters reduces that to flat out zero < 1304360902 290438 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.115.81 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304360962 668767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:24] if you have at least 59 cycles spare, and know the number exactly, you can fit in part of a full-tape clear < 1304360964 195328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:24] so just let the program do . a lot and imply the clear for them < 1304360965 648840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] I think that change will leave aggressive and defensive programs of similar complexity the same length < 1304360971 346869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen in logs < 1304360976 236367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the only reason defense programs work is laziness < 1304360984 2939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program size limit < 1304360993 374594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define laziness < 1304360997 465718 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-26-189.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304360997 765003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, it's trivial to unroll loops and get them to do something slightly different each time < 1304361004 720314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laziness in the normal English sense, not the programming sense < 1304361012 891209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1304361020 632204 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-45-228.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304361028 821568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can just change all whiles into nested ifs < 1304361041 262767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right < 1304361050 907993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ifs by changing a if(*tape) c else d; e into a[ce]de < 1304361067 307035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting programs would be larger than the size of the universe if done naively < 1304361069 690761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares < 1304361078 949258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /that/ large < 1304361104 177111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets larger by a factor of about 2 for every if used < 1304361112 450702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304361115 928864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it goes exponential, and could easily get to 2^128 or even 2^1000 < 1304361121 291520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1304361128 236735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we had the bits < 1304361179 854647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Anyway, re: Python/Haskell, proggit has just reminded me that C isn't context-free either... preprocessing of some kind (usually in the lexer) is kind of inevitable for a ton of languages. < 1304361187 957482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the twodee thing won't fix it for C either. < 1304361230 115049 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the issue for C? Hopefully not di/trigraphs ... < 1304361237 828539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: typedef-name: identifier < 1304361240 845864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f((T)[asterisk]x) < 1304361243 727455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :T [asterisk] x; < 1304361245 990650 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1304361250 181996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1304361261 258236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and it's even worse than that... http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/05/02/the-context-sensitivity-of-c%E2%80%99s-grammar-revisited/ < 1304361264 481028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of shadowing. < 1304361292 95203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don’t really see a problem with that. The context is pretty clear. < 1304361292 283156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must not parse C code with a bunch of regex. YACC should know how to deal with scopes < 1304361292 471142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python you can have str pointing to the number 5 and, at some other point, back to the string class < 1304361292 471335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also can be an extension of the SFINAE rule… I guess" < 1304361295 274634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--incoherent commenter < 1304361336 282161 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay for imbeciles. < 1304361345 240753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: BTW, http://scottmcpeak.com/elkhound/ seems like a pretty good parser generator as far as language support and speed goes... "Elsa can parse most C++ "in the wild". It has been tested with some notable large programs, including Mozilla, Qt, ACE, and itself." < 1304361359 656566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not a parser generator. < 1304361362 741767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1304361363 627689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1304361368 148755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elsa is a C++ generator written in Elkhound. < 1304361377 41604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still restricted to context-free though, like everything. < 1304361397 470479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: You want imbeciles? I'll give you imbeciles: < 1304361397 911440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunnil Gupta Says: < 1304361398 168238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 2nd, 2011 at 12:01 < 1304361398 355958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you not put the downloads here for people to get your softs? It is very troublesome otherwise. < 1304361411 530848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The softs for context sensitivity of C's grammar. < 1304361419 118068 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef char AA; < 1304361419 308158 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo() < 1304361419 308354 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1304361419 308467 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : int aa = sizeof(AA), AA, bb = sizeof(AA); < 1304361419 308572 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1304361420 887035 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAAAAAAAAAAWL < 1304361425 580887 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is delightfully evil. < 1304361434 636395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's brillant. < 1304361441 145017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C: MAYBE KIND OF SHITTILY DESIGNED???? < 1304361540 432628 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, all of the examples I see can be pushed past parsing by just adding a single nonsensical parsing rule and rejecting it as a semantic error. e.g. make "declaration = identifier identifier" valid, then consider that case in light of the actual compiler's understanding of scopes. < 1304361563 997234 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably missing something, or maybe the issue is simply that the definition says it's a syntax error instead of a semantic error. < 1304361572 897585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Well, sure, you can make your parser just parse any number of characters and do nothing with them and handle everything later... < 1304361579 163312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a parser that doesn't produce a useful AST sucks :P < 1304361584 660576 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304361589 981016 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my example AST here is still useful. < 1304361590 453308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the handling of both cases in e.g. f((T)[asterisk]x) is totally different. < 1304361608 219055 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's true >_> < 1304361616 213048 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, that really is the grottiest case, stupid unary. < 1304361640 177696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you do it visitor-pattern style, then the node can look at global data, construct a new proper AST node, and forward the message on... < 1304361643 158551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's horrible. < 1304361657 267206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since multiplication now becomes uncertain :P < 1304361665 254416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, it could special-case "statement with just multiplication" but BLERGH) < 1304361667 50109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Oh wait it's worse < 1304361667 239051 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVE code < 1304361669 545302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :T [asterisk] x, y < 1304361682 870643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Is that seq(multiply(T,x),y) or decl(T,[x,y]) < 1304361688 866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING IS AMBIGUOUS YAAAAAAAAY < 1304361693 994584 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk. < 1304361699 813379 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef: Worst ever? < 1304361706 655824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST < 1304361716 321255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef int A; < 1304361716 645100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void func() < 1304361716 832767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1304361716 832948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A A; < 1304361716 833056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1304361717 21741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahahaha why is that even legal < 1304361717 923230 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comma: worst ever? < 1304361728 532203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Considering that the ambiguity exists entirely independently of the comma... < 1304361731 968617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comma just makes it worse :P < 1304361754 135315 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disallow no-op expressions at the language level and it's always decl < 1304361763 19263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, gross. < 1304361766 155516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, f((T)[asterisk]x) < 1304361781 505059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thirdl < 1304361782 28516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1304361784 908886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : typedef char AA; < 1304361785 96486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : void foo() < 1304361785 96602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1304361785 96646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int aa = sizeof(AA), AA, bb = sizeof(AA); < 1304361785 96692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1304361811 763264 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disallow shadowing :-) < 1304361823 423006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see you're approaching this language flaw in the best way :P < 1304361868 599508 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304361869 16344 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I want a grammar description language that captures C, Python, Haskell and all CFLs. < 1304361870 609405 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO GO GO. < 1304361875 376484 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PS: Screw C++) < 1304361875 579363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: C < 1304361891 89155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other Turing-complete language, you're welcome. < 1304361892 860091 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I want a grammar description language that captures C, Python, Haskell and all CFLs but is not itself TC. < 1304361895 206933 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO GO GO. < 1304361897 407321 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PS: Screw C++) < 1304361921 780829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: That one I mentioned plus HeyHandleC/Python/Haskell declarations. < 1304361943 939565 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: u r so helpful thx 8-D < 1304361961 295376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: It's pretty much inherently going to be ad-hoc, dude :P < 1304361983 977094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bahahahaha why is that even legal <-- is it? < 1304361985 696542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1304361988 306117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yep. < 1304361991 769614 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it just me, or to types ruin EVERYTHING. < 1304361991 957509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: If I were you, I'd extend Fythe's grammar thing to allow portions of ad-hoc TC code mixed in with the rest of the grammar... then you can localise the ugly. < 1304362000 750565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yes; let's use Forth forever. < 1304362007 289037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do typedefs live in a difference "name space" from the variable names? < 1304362008 604891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1304362018 687007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, except variables shadow them. < 1304362020 252245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yahweasel: If I were you, I'd extend Fythe's grammar thing to allow portions of ad-hoc TC code mixed in with the rest of the grammar... then you can localise the ugly. < 1304362023 245678 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's how it's intended to work, I just haven't gotten around to adding "terminals" which are functions. < 1304362024 214725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: And make the rest of it that GFL thing. < 1304362024 785118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *augh* < 1304362025 652289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever. < 1304362036 879324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you get all context-free languages without that. < 1304362042 466135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so... < 1304362046 405146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :A A; is valid there < 1304362048 247691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Again, < 1304362050 588229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but A B; following that line < 1304362050 991240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : typedef char AA; < 1304362051 179037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : void foo() < 1304362051 179239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1304362051 179346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : int aa = sizeof(AA), AA, bb = sizeof(AA); < 1304362051 179455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1304362051 711170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not? < 1304362055 429044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1304362057 174035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1304362061 143721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think A B; /is/ valid afterwards because it's unambiguously the typedef. < 1304362061 331532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking about shadowing < 1304362063 969337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not though. < 1304362064 940395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1304362065 128341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304362066 359672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat, < 1304362069 52694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> typedef char AA; < 1304362069 240427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> void foo() < 1304362069 240626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> { < 1304362070 131059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> int aa = sizeof(AA), AA, bb = sizeof(AA); < 1304362072 91920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> } < 1304362074 528021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304362075 119029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb == sizeof(int). < 1304362078 262236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1304362079 742759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But aa == sizeof(char). < 1304362096 630679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, also known as one :P < 1304362098 832109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite crazy < 1304362112 26166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never again can a C programmer complain that C++ is impossible to parse. < 1304362121 539037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, from now on I will say sizeof(char) instead of 1 < 1304362129 838556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't forget it < 1304362132 229112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Awesome, now I can type numbers in my C code < 1304362136 336108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9/9) was slow because it used division < 1304362141 65519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sizeof(char) will be resolved at compile time < 1304362142 314083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304362200 69431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just realised you can probably apply space-filling curves for the storage layout of infinite-in-all-directions chunks. <-- how efficient? < 1304362206 361513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG CHANNEL BRO < 1304362211 654344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you weren't in there < 1304362562 273037 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maaaan, slowpoke looks SO SIMILAR to FFSPG. < 1304362564 119475 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sues* < 1304362588 817457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is similar in several ways < 1304362595 838234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are important differences too < 1304362618 799764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, slowpoke beat more or less the entire field without tweaking (it did after I finished fixes for obvious bugs), FFSPG didn't even after tweaking < 1304362676 17781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason is, slowpoke tries to set up decoys quickly and start attacking quickly, FFSPG spends a long time setting up < 1304362716 312781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: It's even better. < 1304362720 228151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although slowpoke outruns one major program (it might be FFSPG) by only a few cycles < 1304362722 132563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a)-(b) < 1304362723 157434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't realise while making it < 1304362725 58001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be a typecast. < 1304362730 235373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Typecast and minus have different precedence. < 1304362732 996119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1304362741 585594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D::D;DDDD;DDDDDDDDDDDDDD;DDD < 1304362756 665513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a could be either a type or a variable, so how it parses depends on the identifier table < 1304362757 903248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's evil < 1304362769 872967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, we've already covered that, this is just making it even worse ;P < 1304362770 986862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304362773 288176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid keyboard. < 1304362794 276813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like return (a, b) in Perl < 1304362797 679674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were both shocked by that one < 1304362806 826382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what does that do? < 1304362868 768378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304362883 423317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made program in TeX for recording a D&D game. Did you play this D&D game? < 1304362910 284638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: parses it as an array constant or comma operating depending on whether the subroutine it's in was called in scalar or list context < 1304362921 547317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, wow < 1304362931 711658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that the trick that one package uses to tell you how you're being called? < 1304362937 24112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like it < 1304362938 882686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I think that's the explanation you came up with for the behaviour < 1304362949 945776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not; wantarray and caller are both builtin functions < 1304362960 51582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need for tricks like that < 1304362978 503519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1304362997 521689 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain that Perl literally cannot be parsed. < 1304363006 593049 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even perl doesn't parse Perl. < 1304363017 21693 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just runs around and screams then barfs out some data. < 1304363025 573640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304363064 757096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: How can that??????????? < 1304363079 184290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I think you segfaulted zzo38, Yahweasel. < 1304363231 153942 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304363257 644109 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304363257 831711 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304363257 831850 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304363345 822359 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part is making it scream the right things and run in the right direction < 1304363381 220127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it will have to be < 1304363511 442058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit title: An Alternative to Floating-Point Arithmetic < 1304363519 414155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what it is? < 1304363523 907355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual post title: Fixed-Point Arithmetic < 1304363527 136062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap clap clap < 1304363594 40741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhbt, I guess < 1304363746 18073 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304363760 409766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use fixed-point so that the calculation can be done by integers and calculation by integers will be the same on all computers, while with floating-point some computers might have different precision or other differences. TeXnicard does not use floating point for anything at all, except to optimize compression of PNGs (which are compressed losslessly anyways, so it is not a problem). < 1304364817 251059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304364851 416098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan once joered an an but don't take _my_ word for it < 1304364871 481567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :joered? < 1304364874 920013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304364888 728899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey I think self-BCT in Thue is easy < 1304364890 900641 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a verb? < 1304364912 945419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304364918 156248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean? < 1304364921 767433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joering < 1304365030 126983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT (or self-bct) does look like a thing that would not be hard to write in Thue < 1304365108 580965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've done the cyclic part, and the 0 command < 1304365124 716623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1304365143 606796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahnks oeslern < 1304365164 616378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: regarding the /// /\ quine, i should note that i'm not able to write /\ only programs myself without somewhat auto-generating them. in case you had any doubt about that. < 1304365178 419367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok mr computer :| < 1304365193 84997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have an end-of-string marker and a marker for "put bit at end in progress" that moves forward until it reaches the end < 1304365215 569597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you have to go back first mind < 1304365232 350399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and avoid destroying commands as you execute them < 1304365260 23518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more freestyle programs it's easier, and i mainly use a bit of s/[\\/]/.\&/g for convenience < 1304365321 465911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think what I said is an argument against needing to do other things as well :) < 1304365324 671592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\\\/ < 1304365345 235699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need any weapon. I have marble and slate board! < 1304365403 712556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in principle BCT is almost easier in /// than thue since you can "easily" move data to the other end of the string < 1304365406 569625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/LYTN ;; what I have so far < 1304365427 150893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that's left is making 1x move to the right, append, and go back, if it's one < 1304365442 459476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but it loops < 1304365445 896403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with /// you need quining < 1304365454 633286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the "almost" < 1304365550 932659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZLVX < 1304365553 106507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is all of it? < 1304365555 848436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no output, mind < 1304365617 182842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have blank lines inside thue programs? < 1304365652 787003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dunno, it was just for my ease of coding < 1304365663 50247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first block handles 0 (and also getting back to ip going forwards, used later) < 1304365668 444962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second block handles one < 1304365680 947052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :third, fourth and fifth block handle one's effects < 1304365687 605872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last block handles cycling < 1304365689 24741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i found the first block intuitive < 1304365692 322984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :untested, mind you < 1304365698 205923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the only problem is getting around < 1304365708 323633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one has to go all the way to the left, /then/ all the way to the right, /then/ back to the IP < 1304365721 749922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think you sort of end up emulating a turing machine, almost. < 1304365727 487948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, cool < 1304365733 36466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well self-BCT is arguably a turing machine < 1304365737 577766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1304365746 478127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT is basically a turing machine specification language, obviously < 1304365754 237130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and self-BCT is ... yeah < 1304365756 661460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do you need to go all the way to the left except after IP reaches end-of-program? < 1304365764 628981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 0 deletes leftmost bit < 1304365784 596491 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! the leftmost bit, I thought it deleted at IP < 1304365788 989844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :) < 1304365805 616107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah the thue js interp is down < 1304365823 32723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have to be unlazy < 1304365824 83297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think you may be able to identify < and { < 1304365839 66604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: possibly; that's just confusing though :) < 1304365841 517657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to read Dungeons&Dragons recordings? < 1304365857 774237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just say that Thue's IO is incomprehensibly ugly < 1304365867 954607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed < 1304365939 181773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's more fun to play than to read other people's games < 1304365959 141641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe you like it, but just never do it? < 1304365962 440721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if zzo38 can be a fan of cricket... < 1304365962 666698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the dread gazebo was pretty funny < 1304365967 121678 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you need to run some Thue code and have a spare apache server lying around ... :P < 1304365972 59199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1304365989 93767 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes it is, but still is sometimes good to read it too (it also includes all character data, as well as the events in the game). < 1304366011 235285 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't posted the new version of the compiler or its runtime system though < 1304366020 613747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i have read any others. except darths & droids which doesn't really count < 1304366037 80041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: runtime system lol < 1304366099 718236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cpressey is the one with an "implement multiple esolangs in javascript" project, isn't he < 1304366104 923266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes there are some of those. Perhaps look at mine see if it interests you at all. If you have additional questions/comments I can also take them into considerations < 1304366123 155184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's actually java < 1304366127 160417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1304366138 536510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah :) I should extend the compiler to output it automatically though - I just didn't know how to output constant strings from sed when I originally wrote the code < 1304366144 948991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1304366160 434342 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is Java. But there are some mistakes on those program, but it can be improved later, hopefully < 1304366202 842382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the mistakes include having a comprehensible ui < 1304366236 980093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I mean things that fail to work properly, although some of them might have been corrected by now (I haven't checked). < 1304366260 630977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two other player characters I do not have their character sheets, so I have not put their data in. But you can guess by the story text, what their data might be? < 1304366340 914918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----### < 1304366343 584183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it yet? < 1304366355 167875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really interested < 1304366383 49771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever play D&D game? < 1304366394 312649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, would the program I used to record it, helping you at all? < 1304366397 375906 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only once, at a convention < 1304366436 416235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you extend your interpreter to several in-progress instructions, e.g. by having a couple of different instruction pointers, you could make it parallelisable by a parallel thue interpreter < 1304366446 996016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol < 1304366451 912948 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played Big Eye Small Mouth game once at an anime convention. < 1304366461 55882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it might even work if you have multiple ips < 1304366467 818554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as-is < 1304366479 667238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll get stuck if two movers meet though i think < 1304366522 583924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but obviously you won't get any speedup unless the thue interpreter is also doing replacements in several threads :) < 1304366549 787466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speedup of a totally different language :P < 1304366582 976800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to make sure movers never cross each other, so the output ends up in the right order < 1304366592 436054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your program is of course intrinsically single-threaded, because it is essentially using one char as TM head all the time < 1304366602 357311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not if you add two IPs < 1304366607 41759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304366610 756480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _might_ even not break :D < 1304366617 154038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need rules for the movers to move around each other really < 1304366620 483129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard < 1304366623 264983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction-level parallelism :) < 1304366638 488273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304366669 145327 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe elliott is talking about multiself-bct < 1304366676 650389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304366680 469571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming he was < 1304366687 866545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define multiself < 1304366694 571441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me, one thing, what is missing from this D&D recording program? Is there any improvement to suggest? < 1304366705 887874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the current IP being the self, i guess < 1304366710 772908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yes < 1304366718 250928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put multiple |s in different places in the same program :P < 1304366762 410045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh! you might in fact end up with a "thread" changing between IPs this way < 1304366776 503394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean e.g. >< or similar? < 1304366777 284312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the X's are not distinguished < 1304366781 389302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304366782 667910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's fun :) < 1304366801 740163 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1304366813 466907 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what I meant was making the singlethreaded self-bct just run faster by parallelising the interpreter, not changing its behaviour in any way < 1304366826 129649 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this might mean you always run either the first or the last X, dependent on which instruction you did last < 1304366832 144944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's what you hit < 1304366872 232596 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and what if two threads are running the same X simultaneously... can we get racing condition :D < 1304366890 139825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with instructions for the same X being done in the "wrong" order) < 1304366911 785907 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :both threads, racing to the end of the string :) < 1304366990 342699 :cpp_programmer!~Sam@87.112.170.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304367024 323913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp_programmer: I program in the C preprocessor too < 1304367029 66646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've never got that list library to work < 1304367031 529318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I completely missed the "if L>0:" part as well < 1304367040 159243 :cpp_programmer!~Sam@87.112.170.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey :) < 1304367043 6200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that won't work because there is always just one possible substitution. well i guess you could parallelize the search for where it is. < 1304367049 154239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think self-BCT can be parallelized < 1304367103 94203 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPP programmer?? < 1304367109 544440 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I tried programming in the c preprocessor. it was nightmarish. < 1304367122 167533 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :child porn processing < 1304367124 726050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you misspelled fun < 1304367137 412439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: hey, it's TC < 1304367146 14873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess not, at least not unless you start by adding the ridiculous extra steps required to implement it in Thue < 1304367146 414891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo probably-OK-by-the-standard implementation limits < 1304367146 660930 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when put into a wwhile loop < 1304367149 908503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: wrong < 1304367152 595880 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1304367154 537127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: there's a full functional language implemented in cpp < 1304367163 173099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see chaos-pp and order-pp < 1304367167 522496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :order-pp being the language < 1304367214 159444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: btw both are actually defined for real whirrled usage :D < 1304367224 412700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you can parallelise is having several in-flight movers (and checkers) to the left and appenders to the right < 1304367224 721623 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that C++ templates? < 1304367227 520941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: no < 1304367230 312606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the c preprocessor < 1304367241 648614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :former is a big generic library, latter is a functional language that can actually be used to automate code generation < 1304367250 898586 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the answer is simply that the preprocessor is _not_ Turing complete, at least not if the program is preprocessed only once < 1304367253 559439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: I'll find that Usenet post with the bignum fibonacci in cpp < 1304367255 11936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _is_ < 1304367257 614683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are incorrect < 1304367265 191495 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304367268 516085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I think you should be able to start running every instruction in the program at the same time? < 1304367284 158665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: this is pointless, you're wrong but you're not even backing your claim up with any evidence < 1304367299 642106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i see a bug in your _ handling - what if a 1x command is wrapping? < 1304367305 717170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, ugh < 1304367310 58564 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you are incorrect! < 1304367338 323294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well, almost at the same time... you have to find the boundaries between instructions before starting work on them I guess < 1304367343 36501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: prove it; I have my own proof: there's a full functional language with lambdas and recursion implemented in cpp < 1304367360 138873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as, separately, enough infrastructure to write a (I forget whether iterative or recursive) bignum fibonacci < 1304367391 484450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/082ffefaaed3b450 < 1304367394 253337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the fibonacci < 1304367401 910005 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: other than that it looks eminently plausible < 1304367413 10212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program above computes the 500th Fibonacci number with the < 1304367413 223034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preprocessor. It takes about 20 seconds to compile with GCC on the Linux < 1304367413 410608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM that I'm running on a mid-range machine." < 1304367449 700958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note, BTW, that I'm not suggesting that computing Fibonacci numbers with the preprocessor is advisable." < 1304367460 735353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D < 1304367468 311196 :cpp_programmer!~Sam@87.112.170.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lmao! < 1304367485 821744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, this is #esoteric and such things are COMPLETELY NORMAL, but that's the kind of dramatic understatement we all live for < 1304367503 932251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: so what's your evidence that the c preprocessor is sub-turing < 1304367550 995859 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I caouldn't google chaos-pp < 1304367566 137472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives the sf project for the top result here... < 1304367577 547775 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled chaos preprocessor and I got it as top result too < 1304367600 626819 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/chaos-pp/order-pp/example/lambda/lambda.c?view=markup < 1304367616 752301 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chaos-pp.sourceforge.net/ < 1304367619 134432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fourohfour < 1304367620 3579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fisrt link < 1304367620 800016 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :blank < 1304367624 179862 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1304367628 943766 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304367632 904366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just check out the repository ... < 1304367637 251553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/chaos-pp/ < 1304367639 439779 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/chaos-pp/files/ < 1304367641 159193 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :no files < 1304367644 862678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPOSITORY < 1304367647 187961 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :This project has no files. < 1304367649 780047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPOSITORY < 1304367655 529830 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chaos-pp.cvs.sourceforge.net/chaos-pp/ < 1304367671 668500 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello these are files?? < 1304367671 932654 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition of the CPP? < 1304367677 938400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: C Preprocessor. < 1304367680 826960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the stuff with hashes. < 1304367682 134493 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nice find < 1304367684 104160 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304367690 347879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nice find"??? < 1304367692 235130 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: language definition < 1304367694 716333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's linked right there on the SF project page < 1304367697 905356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should've just said "REPOSITORY" until he got it < 1304367698 976019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: see C99 standard < 1304367704 302883 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't linked there when I looked < 1304367710 504537 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :code->cvs browse < 1304367713 765513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what monqy said < 1304367731 814638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chaos-pp.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/chaos-pp/order-pp/example/fibonacci.c?revision=1.8&view=markup this is what fibonacci looks like in teh functional language btw < 1304367735 182601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1304367864 32749 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ugh this thing is so long < 1304367868 511072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is < 1304367875 521798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to read the source to order don't bother, it's insane < 1304367879 382965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaos-pp is a bit more readable < 1304367956 817973 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's all about #include then? < 1304367957 482006 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll bet (note: no actual bet) that you could divide indentation-sensitive languages into two CFL (or near-CFL?) parsing steps given the "view it as a 2D array" approach, one of which is top-to-bottom-then-left-to-right and essentially ends up being the brace-adding preprocessing step (this in the case of Python where it really is just brace-adding), and the other is a standard left-to-right-then-top-to-bottom by-the-book parser. < 1304367963 293321 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get loops and stuff < 1304367980 131098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: nope < 1304367986 721071 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it done? < 1304367994 129848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: I don't even know, all my similar attempts have failed < 1304367999 619853 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _i'll_ bet (note: no actual yadda yadda) that won't work for haskell's "add implicit } on error" rule < 1304368000 826346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you basically have to write a sort of FSM < 1304368005 539108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using token pasting to generate macro names < 1304368010 708850 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: ^ < 1304368176 164738 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i approve of the idea, since that's one way bfjoust (({{}})%)% can be parsed < 1304368294 245347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so i hear obama died < 1304368296 42488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304368305 443296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya they killed him outside his home < 1304368309 986751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pakistan < 1304368312 354054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Will the death of Osama bin laden lead to any new insights into the Riemann hypothesis? < 1304368315 324343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he isn't president any more < 1304368331 31684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression is a lot of people think osama died years ago < 1304368350 818943 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the recordings are fake < 1304368358 870914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :osama died because of cqpitalism < 1304368370 948144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry obama < 1304368372 861669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :missepeld < 1304368374 377393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did too, but I think I might have confused him with saddam hussein < 1304368381 119133 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1304368387 378776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: shut up gorgor < 1304368388 695798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something about how the video always stops whenever he speaks about something recent) < 1304368403 701702 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving just an easily faked audio part < 1304368405 608645 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I'm so tired of bip renaming me whenever I reconnect :P < 1304368407 568227 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304368416 508361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bip. < 1304368433 2391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: ^ < 1304368471 397008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah're a weasel. < 1304368501 346520 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yahreaweasel < 1304368521 534425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just a sign that humanity will soon become slaves of our new weasel overlords < 1304368533 799091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead by obama < 1304368535 896136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RIP) < 1304368540 524976 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whom i for one welcome, of course < 1304368546 701387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahwe Asel < 1304368546 963271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact forget the obama < 1304368552 262208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y Ahweasel < 1304368560 145807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u a weasel < 1304368604 493008 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was the bug about _ in that interpreter of yours? < 1304368605 186574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfghjkl;'\\ < 1304368610 849117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: basically one can wrap < 1304368611 298504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1304368614 331841 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-12-213.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304368614 519132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have the last bit be one < 1304368620 777858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its "parameter" (bit to append) be the first bit < 1304368625 424169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you potentially need to wrap in that case < 1304368627 685752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bitch < 1304368634 195510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need another mover character < 1304368664 612360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, can't you just remove that particular rule and say that a final 1 is invalid or something? < 1304368678 291624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hideous < 1304368680 473069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bitwise _cyclic_ tag < 1304368688 309845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you need a beginning and an end is an implementation detail < 1304368692 570531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the fact that you can append sort of makes it not < 1304368694 30593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't care < 1304368696 299601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much prettier this way < 1304368701 479369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise left-to-right repeating tag < 1304368703 619493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd doubt its TCness if that was invalid < 1304368744 237673 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. < 1304368749 985400 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell guys getting it from both ends. < 1304368752 827404 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-45-228.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304368757 179904 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric and now, #fsharp. < 1304368781 854659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't swear in this channel please "fsharp" is very offesnive < 1304368800 12474 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/sy6mvs1j < 1304368807 659994 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am personally offended by that word. < 1304368810 959907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ouer heaerts go out to htose in the recent nfunctionslkaj disotasietr whenjk jtwentyfurou don stewrarts losjot theries liveseils to fsharppe | "Programming may one day be about getting the maths right" -- Alan Alda | "Functional programming is more than just esoteric; it’s becoming somewhat cool." -- Tiger Woods | "Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/es < 1304368820 828921 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone professionally offended? < 1304368829 878159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm paid to be offend < 1304368839 981343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I kind of agree that it should loop... that loopiness probably interferes with my plans for parallelising it < 1304368842 876737 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That explains it. < 1304368886 181963 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: got cut off after /logs/es < 1304368888 983177 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcd 111..111 111..111 = 111..111? < 1304368894 132872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i doinaent coiarje < 1304368904 493199 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are (10^n-1)/9 and (10^m-1)/9. < 1304368905 501694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuorew uro so sinsensentive to htohe djon stewrajkrts of htiosj lowrlds < 1304368939 240024 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplying by 9 won't change anything much, so... < 1304368987 706425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you could like wait for all other activity to finish before a wrapping final 1 starts executing, and that would potentially solve itself by the same mechanism that makes all the other instructions take effect in the right order < 1304369007 373012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we just make super-parallel self-bct < 1304369012 443941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every instruction in the string is executed simultaneously < 1304369017 332362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1304369018 528371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1304369046 689611 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially the question reduces to whether gcd (a^n-1) (a^m-1) = a^gcd(m,n)-1 always < 1304369057 199019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me i just invented the most elegant language < 1304369081 619444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly what I said like 30 minutes ago < 1304369091 205779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i said it better because im better than you obviously duh < 1304369093 204466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1304369097 251738 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, ok < 1304369102 665035 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter always divides the former, at least) < 1304369105 131730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: make that olsner guy stop talking hes silly < 1304369162 383228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/1/f/61f34aa25871e9546b6a11243e1bed31.png < 1304369163 40067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm sorry i'd rather not; the last time i banned someone for silly reasons a regular left in a huff for _weeks_ < 1304369164 309510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's play this game again < 1304369180 218347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mo'ammerEl Khadhdhaffy < 1304369183 899411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you unban them again? < 1304369191 836805 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1304369207 56213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :antiantioptbot is no longer banned < 1304369214 228329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair < 1304369261 111662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mu'ammaral" lol what is this name even < 1304369275 420299 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-12-213.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304369290 398643 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -al is the definite article, and should not attach to the previous word. < 1304369295 28380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a space there - consult the color coding of the image < 1304369317 839239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm, are you sure? The blue segment ends with dash or space or nothing < 1304369328 186066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would lead to the possibility of "Foo- Bar" or "Foo Bar" which is just stupid < 1304369333 445524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you're right < 1304369354 519608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moamer elKuzzafy < 1304369368 181741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moamer -Kuzzafy < 1304369407 708870 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you have a point there... maybe the "r" is actually "r " < 1304369423 957276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It probably just means that the space can be replaced with those. < 1304369441 426781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kedthaffy hahaha this are just so great < 1304369455 254383 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ked Taffy < 1304369461 183809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss < 1304369509 739981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304369530 268059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I RETURN TO CIVILISATION < 1304369548 136096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: lessee (a^(m+n)-1) = a^(m+n)-a^m + a^m-1 = (a^n-1)*a^m + (a^m-1), meaning gcd(a^(m+n)-1, a^n-1)) = gcd(a^m-1, a^n-1); then gcd(a^m-1, a^n-1) = gcd(a^gcd(m,n)-1) follows by noting that each such step does a part of the euclidean algorithm on the exponents. < 1304369549 497827 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-34-78.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304369561 925323 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1304369563 505699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FINALLY < 1304369578 634210 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool oerjan < 1304369622 610805 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)) =/) =/ < 1304369634 328832 :cpp_programmer!~Sam@87.112.170.130 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1304369693 614437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er s/gcd(a^gcd(m,n)-1)/a^gcd(m,n)-1/ as well < 1304369857 699454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ you wondered about this as well < 1304369893 16710 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quintopia < 1304369995 828744 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-117-30.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304370145 353398 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-34-78.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304370618 421040 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-46-187.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304370690 111382 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-117-30.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304370906 395766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, just wrote a really complicated haskell program that (in effect) multiplies some peano numbers and determines that mo'amer khuzzaffi has 38400 names < 1304370927 837864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the page says that some combinations are invalid :) < 1304370938 761733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, not all are possible, as some alternatives are most probably combined with others, or even impossible with others (for example, simplification of geminated [m:] usually implies simplification of [a:]). < 1304370939 596622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I don't care :P < 1304370939 986543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304370941 416808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only USUALLY < 1304370946 892366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIGHT THE (PRESCRIPTIVIST) POWER < 1304370958 745632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: can you make a random bin laden/gaddafi name bot plz < 1304370985 882850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah < 1304370989 567914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1304371003 171955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have an IRC bot in sed, and I don't want to rewrite this in sed :P < 1304371003 661163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama#Variations_of_Osama_bin_Laden.27s_name < 1304371005 41755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO CHART :( < 1304371048 23476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have to say the zz is very stylish < 1304371050 747670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a zz in my surname < 1304371052 417516 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-122-103.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304371058 786359 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a dhdh? < 1304371065 64590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's ok too < 1304371089 533900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :مُعَمَّر ٱلْقَذَّافِيّ‎ wow that's a mess < 1304371096 443875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even has one character my system can't render unless it's an actual square < 1304371108 462757 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-46-187.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304371109 568403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol bidi fail < 1304371152 800209 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1304371163 65110 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I just do something simple like plot the zeros of a polynomial? < 1304371282 527368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304371328 843139 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1304371338 365417 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-238.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304371339 152403 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE DISCOVERED: BEST LICENSE < 1304371348 501258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1304371354 728430 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may, at your option, use this software under the terms of any of the following licenses:" < 1304371371 161162 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(list every license approved by OSI, FSF and Debian) < 1304371399 115740 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because license disjuncts are the bestest! < 1304371453 174175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304371456 252643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that from? < 1304371468 861680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, it should be "This software is licensed under all the below licenses simultaneously:" :P < 1304371517 857056 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "from" anything, but it stems from my amusement at e.g. jQuery being licensed under the retarded MIT/GPL disjunct (AKA a license by people who have no fucking clue what a license is), and Mozilla being under the bizarrely-redundant MPL/GPL/LGPL disjunct. < 1304371534 770893 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, every license disjunct seems to include at least one strict subset relationship. < 1304371561 303066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT/GPL... why < 1304371568 6743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is... literally no reason to ever pick the latter :P < 1304371573 512138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you want to make a horrible GPL-only fork you can do that with MIT. < 1304371596 313300 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1304371603 269620 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the "we have no understanding of licenses" license. < 1304371619 548293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Reisig is a Mozilla guy, so he must have inherited the stupid :P < 1304371650 365886 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with the Mozilla situation, two of the licenses are strictly incompatible. < 1304371651 655523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Used by over 43% of the 10,000 most visited websites, jQuery is the most popular JavaScript library in use today.[2][3]" < 1304371655 433401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SADLY NEITHER CITATION WAS GREGOR'S PAPER < 1304371661 283759 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooose :P < 1304371663 569546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Isn't the MPL thoroughly fucked up? < 1304371669 193847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty lolsy license. < 1304371678 234901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's like the Apache license, right? < 1304371683 323003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I have down in my head as "most stupid license ever never use". < 1304371709 281028 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, as I recall, the MPL is relatively short and simplish, but just happens to disagree with the GPL for some stupid reason. I don't quite recall though. < 1304371712 720743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache is incompatible with GPL [two], I wonder how it managed that < 1304371718 409382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But compatible with [three]) < 1304371723 299125 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Relatively short) < 1304371729 508979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Apache Software Foundation and the Free Software Foundation (FSF) agree that the Apache License 2.0 is a free software license, compatible with version 3 of the GNU General Public License (GPL).[7] Compatibility in this case means that since the GPL version 3 is considered a superset of the Apache License 2.0, a project combining GPL version 3 and Apache License 2.0 code will need to be licensed under the GPL version 3[8]. < 1304371729 696692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the Free Software Foundation considers all versions of the Apache License (as of 2007) to be incompatible with the previous GPL versions 1 and 2.[9][10] < 1304371740 417915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you *still* not got your number keys fixed? < 1304371760 416449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be true, PH, it might be ture. < 1304371761 386186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1304372514 651846 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304372622 654176 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago I reminisced on this channel about coding Minesweeper in Turbo Pascal back in the day, then got confused about the timing and figured it must have actually been in Turbo C++. Well, I found the source code, and it turns out it was indeed Turbo Pascal. < 1304372653 549172 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wanted to post that erratum here, for all who care deeply about historical accuracy. < 1304372674 68221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: thank you < 1304372676 766988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been losing sleep over it < 1304372690 986307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can you link to yoob i hear it does thue < 1304372703 839702 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304372905 157774 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care deeply about contemporary accuracy too. Therefore: yes, yes it does do Thue. http://bit.ly/yoob < 1304372920 336677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304372924 875895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the new yoob < 1304372927 688493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new and improved < 1304372942 735095 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does INTERCAL too < 1304372948 373745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Befunge-9eight < 1304372953 113549 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented it in a couple of hours < 1304372967 332321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html <-- Dear future people: this had all these languages way back < 1304372975 911823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how did you fit turbo pascal in ther < 1304372976 210662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1304373002 449626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...at least it wasn't goatse. < 1304373011 798603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it so is goatse < 1304373014 68081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the goatsest < 1304373022 888110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to the future// goatse is a slang meaning "un-gay and hip" < 1304373175 399382 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do un-gay and hip mean in the future < 1304373179 174579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatse < 1304373303 565263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :un-gay is of course the term for what we now call heterosexual or straight. < 1304373341 729995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304373348 129309 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is of course wildly looked down on in general < 1304373350 186523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :un-gay just means you are a robot silly oerjan stop trolling the future < 1304373353 699973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well yes that is true < 1304373360 528664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the only solution to over popperlation < 1304373365 576621 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do robots have hips < 1304373377 427228 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the future have hips < 1304373389 86151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304373397 175074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :robots and industrious people have hips < 1304373400 554799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dear future hips are vestigal limb meaning jisdfo) < 1304373408 344280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy people however have evolved into blobs, which don't < 1304373408 532053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what jisdfo is, is self-evident) < 1304373423 783233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a perol < 1304373476 18374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "perol" started out as a pun after a nuclear disaster caused by a computer program having an "o" for "i" typo < 1304373484 508311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youorea a petrl < 1304373522 735034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however over the centuries its meaning shifted to clumsy people (with hips) < 1304373568 470548 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear future: "its" means what "it's" means for you, and vice versa < 1304373619 786398 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was decided by robot arbitration to stop the Great Grammar War < 1304373646 206203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean the future meaning) < 1304373700 969518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :its's it's future meaning? < 1304373708 348510 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304373709 428463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lead by the grammar nazi's < 1304373713 318128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the grammar satlins < 1304373756 991953 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: Living in the Past < 1304373820 59255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304373863 579188 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"satlins" is a portmanteau of "satellite" and "earthlin" (which lost the final g). this was a utopian society formed in (mostly) low earth orbit. it went the way of all utopian societies of course. < 1304373878 333825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the Illiteracy Communists. < 1304373878 521461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes this is also communism < 1304373887 273099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is talking while asleep by using advanced science < 1304373889 872898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WILL NEVER DISCOVER IT FUTURE < 1304373890 150537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1304373897 922794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVERRRRRRRRR < 1304373898 541962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHA < 1304373902 931615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS SECRET DIES WITH ME < 1304373905 731287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND ME < 1304373908 771187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND EVERYONE IN THE PAST MWAHAHAHA < 1304373911 990545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us never speak of it again. < 1304373916 852786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOST WISDOM OF THE ANCIENTS NE NE NE NE NE < 1304373923 151932 :cheater2!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-46-139.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304373933 509859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to dedicate my life to fucking with historians now < 1304373937 696830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT THAT THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE TO ANY OF THIS < 1304373945 188238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: sarcasm does not exist in this time so i cannot be using it) < 1304373956 866960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference of opinion whether nazis or satlins were the worst, if you ignore scale. the former at least never sterilized australia. < 1304374050 479600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: sterilized here means in the disinfectant sense, not the fertilization sense. the latter they did with great britain instead, as part of their effort to exterminate gingers.) < 1304374060 92421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fertility < 1304374075 427372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the british isles < 1304374085 136653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK seriously → sleep < 1304374088 205659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304374137 261975 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the satlins weren't communist, they were libertarians. at least for the first twenty years, before all went really downhill. < 1304374222 54982 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to the future: downhill means approximately what down orbit means to you.) < 1304374246 439312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304374249 452113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xD is the face of a gerafe) < 1304374434 635821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "gerafes" or german apes were a hugely successful experiment in cloning technology. the satlins nuked most of them alas. < 1304374474 802809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remainder artificially interbred with humans until the species merged completely. < 1304374550 346528 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to the future: the word "artificially" here may seem redundant to you, but wasn't at the time (or ours)) < 1304374631 469114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at the time it was still possible for > 90% of the population to breed without the help of technology.) < 1304374684 974307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fourteensj percent now alas < 1304374687 834134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sj means dsf) < 1304374727 600749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reduced to about 40% after some satlin nuking, then as elliott mentions to 14% when genetic engineering started making people _really_ diverge. < 1304374739 267801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im half horse < 1304374781 725916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his mother is a famous artist by the name of Sarah Jessica Parker. < 1304374785 456206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actor < 1304374788 375459 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are you guys talking about o_O < 1304374805 273869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: we are just explaining things to future logreaders < 1304374830 999825 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :do log readers exist? < 1304374838 649993 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept scares me < 1304374849 290759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has been known to do so < 1304374860 229911 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine every time in the future when anyone reads this log < 1304374871 937918 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't know how many it would be < 1304374913 94512 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok then. proceed. < 1304374938 837082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it's infinite < 1304374941 642931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to sianuirnglarity < 1304374960 222481 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually believe that, do you? < 1304374977 916332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is the inventor of conversational unicode dancing. sadly he dies in a freak accident just as it really takes off. < 1304375008 807149 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-21-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304375025 426002 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304375038 574445 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never know vOv < 1304375050 123336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: belieeeyeve wat < 1304375056 562337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will gradually evolve into a new form of electronic calligraphy < 1304375059 202026 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't program it for that one, too possible to crop up in conversation somehow < 1304375059 395419 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-122-103.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304375067 9011 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that this log will be read INFINITELY many time < 1304375150 15480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and become a part of ornamental mobile 3d printing design < 1304375220 102458 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304375248 696416 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still talking about myndzi's dancing, btw < 1304375257 482281 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking elliott < 1304375268 84551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: INFINITELY < 1304375275 551764 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :4? < 1304375283 843128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i was immortal i'd probably read it like once every ten trillion gajillion years < 1304375285 793999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to prove you wrong < 1304375313 539734 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1304375321 58668 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :You irrational < 1304375327 375573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until around 2140, when it becomes deader than disco, ironically at the same time as a new music form fusing disco and scruff takes off < 1304375437 760153 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disco here refers to another dance form from the 1970s, not to its future meaning of flat rotating habitats) < 1304375503 205895 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :thisr function < 1304375519 389282 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x)) = 0 if x is an integer x - floor(x) - 1/2 otherwise < 1304375524 132246 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thogh, this functions kind of a dick head < 1304375528 652399 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 0 when its an integer < 1304375591 897099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but the limits from each side are -1/2 and 1/2, so it's a sort of average < 1304375612 937033 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this was before I realized that < 1304375617 234550 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gut reaction < 1304375762 555296 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304376132 49852 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-112-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304376167 697298 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-21-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304376252 414708 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304376808 691836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres a cool function < 1304376823 323048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = chaitin's omega to the power of n if n is computable < 1304376829 490389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else the closest computable number to n < 1304376860 136945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, surely there is no such thing as "closest computable number" < 1304376884 558662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why not < 1304376887 575296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT < 1304376900 615594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all rational numbers are computable < 1304376908 767431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1304376910 563703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some reals are computable < 1304376939 635109 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-97-4.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304376948 130532 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but if a real number is non-computable, it will not be rational, and for every candidate there will be a rational number that is closer < 1304376969 788635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there can be no closest computable number. < 1304377000 501043 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-112-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304377024 233607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1304377026 332503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = chaitin's omega to the power of n if n is computable < 1304377035 642203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else the closest irrational computable number to n < 1304377049 371748 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there's no such thing as that either < 1304377059 910397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1304377073 878951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can always adjust it by adding a rational to get it a little closer < 1304377104 216626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrational computable + rational = irrational computable < 1304377119 785090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else the closest irrational computable number with a kolgomorov complexity of no more than log_two(n) squared < 1304377121 358971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitches < 1304377123 434759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this applies to irrational and computable separately, of course) < 1304377144 33726 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304377148 973638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best function < 1304377164 670965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll admit that one :D < 1304377178 859084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the "bitches" is part of the definition obviously < 1304377185 119516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1304377240 44787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you write a paper on that function plz < 1304377256 63071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: preferably with a graph < 1304377267 533077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1304377293 560750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphing uncomputable functions isn't my kind of thing, really. < 1304377367 171578 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304377464 451730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isnt it everyones thing < 1304377479 125540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1304377508 112106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about that RobotRollCall guy on reddit < 1304377574 835752 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time he writes nice scientific comments (and has a huge karma to show for it), but sometimes it looks like he keeps insisting that he is right when he isn't. < 1304377583 915893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a robot < 1304377587 234681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cant accept that theyre wrong < 1304377604 923293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: examples of the latter? his first page of comments seem ok < 1304377639 745220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what set me off this time was this conversation http://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/comments/h1eb7/black_hole_question/c1rxhc1 < 1304377683 524399 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly the opponent is more rude, but i _still_ think robotrollcall is wrong there < 1304377725 874231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :respond be sure to mention you have a phd < 1304377741 181557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _still_ don't have an account :D < 1304377768 89184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Wikipedia, eh? Imagine my surprise." ;; it seems like he's the typical intelligent-and-well-educated-but-dicky nerd :P < 1304377783 88895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304377813 115336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should have mentioned he hasn't read the conversation to the bottom yet < 1304377831 983977 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-97-4.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304377850 42368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304377851 159738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whops. < 1304377860 803204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should have mentioned he hasn't read the conversation to the bottom yet < 1304377879 509433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Big Bang can be likened to the Great Depression in the United States of America." < 1304377882 479611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to take out of context forever < 1304377906 307481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big bang is really cool < 1304377915 586644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird to think of mutable physics < 1304377927 796145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, self-modifying physics, even < 1304378000 489487 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-114-153.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304378164 741329 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304378786 114831 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-17-44.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304378857 655956 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-114-153.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304378860 233576 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304378913 363286 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304379871 393986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /CB/C\\1\/\/C\\1\/C\\2\/\/W\\B\//CE/\/\/C\\2\///WD/worCB ZOMG A COMMENT! CEld!/Hello, WD < 1304379874 188286 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEWDC1WB < 1304379883 637745 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :..apparently not. < 1304379968 140008 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /CB/C\\1\/\/C\\1\/C\\2\/\/W\\B\///CE/\/\/C\\2\///WD/worCB ZOMG A COMMENT! CEld!/Hello, WD < 1304379969 350512 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304379999 477378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /CB/C\\1\/\/C\\1\/C\\2\/\/W\\B\///CE/\/\/C\\2\///WD/worCB ZOMG A COMMENT! CEldCB AND ANOTHER ONE! CE!/Hello, WD < 1304380000 667043 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304380011 716993 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304380053 32514 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-123-210.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304380101 220649 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-17-44.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304380139 676018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1304380160 654289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figuring out how one might put comments inside a /// substitution < 1304380210 339017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this won't work for substitutions that need to repeat themselves on their result, of course) < 1304380286 623170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to make it a usable language? :D < 1304380288 432587 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be particularly useful inside a main program quoted loop < 1304380311 610822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is _plenty_ usable < 1304380352 56671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would note i have always used methods to achieve proper indentation. < 1304380458 569610 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the deadfish interpreter i even managed to indent without extra [] around the lines _and_ still have the program print spaces and newlines < 1304380660 650118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304380817 186740 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /%/ZOMG A COMMENT!/Hello, world! < 1304380819 296981 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304380840 494711 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that syntax is useful _outside_ substitutions < 1304380854 305703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also to delete data in general) < 1304380932 276763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a program with looping, most of the program code will be quoted inside a large /P0/.../ substitution, so that method cannot be used directly. < 1304380940 616573 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /, world!, world!/Hello\/%\/ZOMG A COMMENT?\//, world!, world!, world! < 1304380941 538555 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304380943 896163 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see. Kind of. < 1304380977 594297 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My way is better because I don't fully understand the benefits of your way. :P < 1304380990 242092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can do that but then the comment would have to be quoted and copied around each iteration, and you have to note how many nesting levels of quoting/escaping deep you are < 1304381007 30686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304381038 547714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the method i showed will have the comments removed at the first copying < 1304381093 13848 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :ouer heaerts go out to htose in the recent nfunctionslkaj disotasietr whenjk jtwentyfurou don stewrarts losjot theries liveseils to fsharppe | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304381123 650728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the benefit is that you can put comments anywhere inside the main loop with only minimal care or cost. < 1304381154 857703 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1 : scanl (+) 1 fibs in take 10 fibs < 1304381155 729913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55] < 1304381305 875013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for removing the quotations about programming is to make the logs URLs to fit. Those were less recent than the text at the beginning, which is why I retained the text at the beginning ("ouer heaerts go...") < 1304381443 592960 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304381499 98580 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304381504 977813 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...is _plenty_ usable < 1304381506 497497 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1304381517 296641 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has finally found his favourite language < 1304381524 666555 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with the deadfish interpreter i even managed to indent without extra [] around the lines _and_ still have the program print spaces and newlines < 1304381526 966708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1304381527 886228 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, replacing " " or similar? < 1304381530 324242 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two spaces) < 1304381546 923816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that and "\n " < 1304381548 813836 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1304381590 684681 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashes is awesome < 1304381608 796741 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////*** < 1304381609 718619 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11* < 1304381613 641213 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1304381617 848237 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is < 1304381619 88187 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304381619 818141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so single spaces without preceding \n were preserved, as well as all but the last \n before space < 1304381624 887715 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you /sure/ itwlifjitjisjifisjfjsi is IO-complete? < 1304381632 687507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: pretty sure < 1304381633 825771 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there might be some things you cannot do with raw data in slashes < 1304381643 545978 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring some kind of e.g. character after each byte < 1304381646 665394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can't do with that < 1304381651 75252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it reads one character at a time < 1304381656 265680 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: did you write that? < 1304381661 414170 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah < 1304381664 974476 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1304381671 735427 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about how to convert unary to binary all day at school < 1304381672 453542 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304381676 180503 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost got it write there < 1304381678 173376 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those slashes at the end are insane < 1304381678 602662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you plenty of room to manipulate it < 1304381691 696046 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|///////*//******** < 1304381695 361330 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////*** < 1304381696 281292 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1304381700 141065 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////**** < 1304381701 310698 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 < 1304381703 759890 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1304381704 1055 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304381704 730333 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304381707 273555 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304381708 325631 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1304381712 783050 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't oerjan have such a routine in the deadfish interp though? < 1304381717 856182 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's no real routines with slashes :D < 1304381718 119800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for decimal, yes < 1304381724 928943 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : note that it reads one character at a time < 1304381725 929594 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1304381747 366914 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's sort of essential, and one reason why thue IO is broken < 1304381748 558178 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still wish it used a nicer delimiter than GG < 1304381753 616087 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, s/write/right/ < 1304381764 927691 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was paying more attention to slashes than tlaking < 1304381765 963027 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how do you detect EOF with itflab? < 1304381771 741604 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: tlaking is hrad < 1304381777 544225 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shore iss < 1304381785 523939 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i decided when implementing it that EOF gives an empty string < 1304381804 672605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to make a choice, and that seemed the simplest) < 1304381820 680998 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304381832 229394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: underload->ifjtiwjtjflabjsifsit compiler < 1304381833 709466 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304381837 56284 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ->slashes compiler < 1304381841 508626 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload has no input :D < 1304381843 18945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304381844 199248 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MUST BE DONE < 1304381913 809226 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304381914 983224 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304381915 642260 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it done yet < 1304381928 51235 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have some accidental code-as-data in there or something < 1304381928 571233 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1304381935 826248 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it hsould be working < 1304382000 925241 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|////* < 1304382001 965602 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304382008 574586 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1////* < 1304382009 494298 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304382015 474115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304382043 281404 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*////* < 1304382044 234893 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382052 391471 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0////* < 1304382053 191474 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0* < 1304382067 695764 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304382073 49049 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that happening? < 1304382083 498265 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of osama < 1304382084 269711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use Hashapass, and an attacker knows the parameter and resulting password, can they get at the master pasword? < 1304382096 17634 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if they can that would be the stupidest design ever < 1304382112 216226 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's a HASH FUNCTION < 1304382126 804253 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//*0/0*////* < 1304382127 914162 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382145 492870 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1304382154 16020 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\//\/|0//*0/0*////* < 1304382155 51737 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0* < 1304382168 271114 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\//\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382169 600849 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382173 530500 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1304382189 128899 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\//\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382189 898612 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304382194 224377 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304382202 667846 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help the poor guy debug his code < 1304382503 381112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1304382542 958185 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\/\//\/\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382544 175914 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382550 108471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304382607 951849 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304382615 562499 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1304382615 750021 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1304382641 74040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1304382728 43205 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\/\//\/\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382729 792261 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304382743 930940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1304382747 240838 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1304382778 369803 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda messy I think < 1304382788 273674 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have any practice with this stuff :P < 1304382800 116128 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any clean way to make a sort of fsm with it? < 1304382815 648725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want those /// before the * anyway, makes it much harder < 1304382819 755188 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in doing one substitution over and over, then switching to anotehr, then switching back, until neither work or something < 1304382862 43423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put the substitutions you want in a main loop < 1304382865 321299 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|//|0* < 1304382866 201611 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304382871 392292 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|//|0**** < 1304382873 630733 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 < 1304382885 558837 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I was just trying to make only *'s after all the slashes < 1304382898 828906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION angers at XNA < 1304382909 17111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1304382921 905787 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you make a main loop? < 1304382945 592887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//\/\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|///* < 1304382946 967355 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304382969 501573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to make a self-replicating subprogram < 1304383094 90804 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I thought so < 1304383105 30014 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried for a long time using a paper to make a quine or a self-replicating program < 1304383108 10428 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I couldn't < 1304383124 498539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes#Simpler_counter although my own style has changed a bit since that one < 1304383142 934058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i use . instead of | now, and <> without -) < 1304383163 78358 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because . is less noise < 1304383183 553794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304383204 374488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#itflabtijtslwi is my latest creation < 1304383247 182679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304383257 516965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic structure is /./<\\\\>\\\\\\/ < 1304383263 156386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1304383374 326994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then /P1/...quoted code...//P0/P1//<\>///P2/P1/...some initialization...P0 < 1304383424 653007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304383461 109660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the quoted code somewhere similar commands except with P2 in the spot for the quoted code itself < 1304383525 284110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /P2/P1/ needs to be /P\2/P1/ in the quoted code < 1304383581 269069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /<\>/<\\\\>\\\\\\/ instead of the one with . < 1304383650 515868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some trickery with where you need to quote with ., with \, and with both < 1304383679 518796 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nice < 1304383699 829804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*escape with \ < 1304383708 248734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to keep those separate notions < 1304383841 356113 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304383931 442334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the deadfish interpreter would have been more readable if he had used | as abbreviation for .\. < 1304383958 277138 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the number of times you copy something is the number of times the escape slashes go away < 1304383991 320807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although it's exponential < 1304383993 201672 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to make a quine, just copy it one less time than the amount of times you escape everything < 1304384020 521824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384114 314894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1304384767 950642 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384780 986844 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304384807 753961 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384808 110791 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304384808 298358 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384946 512698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304384946 700229 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304385028 374843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304385034 24469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I think | is nicer looking than . < 1304385035 894228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/more readable < 1304385038 153889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it separates things more < 1304385090 39441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the idea is _not_ to separate, if you actually want to read the code you mostly need to be able to ignore the .'s... < 1304385219 628332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1304385224 615035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone can read it :D < 1304385236 577466 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you type a / at the beginning of a message? < 1304385240 857035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: two slashes < 1304385242 956132 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304385245 388839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's cool how you can change the escape character in /// < 1304385248 726420 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in irssi :/ < 1304385251 935667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/X/\\/ < 1304385252 355311 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1304385253 739684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: should work < 1304385255 185910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, /say < 1304385263 54556 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/test < 1304385264 260767 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304385266 741579 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1304385280 693295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS TOO READABLE < 1304385289 701394 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a strongly held opinion) < 1304385314 40 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hm < 1304385320 499497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi requires / / < 1304385491 84939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1304385506 373390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway i chose . to get it as close to readable as reasonable < 1304385516 18924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm here's a thing... /X/\\X/ < 1304385519 62604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes a character self-escaping < 1304385530 621696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a tight loop < 1304385534 406098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, so it is < 1304385546 630066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/X/\\unused//unused/X/ < 1304385547 120782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1304385550 90019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work either < 1304385552 889671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually possible... < 1304385555 830239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1304385558 739310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304385583 353132 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any substitution that replaces a character without context _must_ obliterate it from the program. < 1304385941 296635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the maximum possible length of a NSF music that does not repeat if it is played no slower than 120 notes per minute? < 1304385977 663513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsf? < 1304386054 994701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSF is a file format that stores 6502 machine code and is played back using the NES/Famicom audio (including Famicom Disk System). < 1304386111 511758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's actual machine code i'd expect it to do exponential processing... < 1304386134 460577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like generating a thue-morse sequence, that is nonrepeating < 1304386157 496550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a big enough counter and some bit twiddling < 1304386195 774421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is but it is usually run using an emulator not an actual 6502 machine (although it could be). (Actually, there is one difference: The decimal mode does nothing, although it still exists.) < 1304386216 592624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it could generate thue-morse sequence but not forever because it is limited by available RAM. < 1304386257 789050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zxcvbnm, bvfgtyujnm,ku < 1304386262 828917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you should be able to get a length of 256^(ram size - overhead) < 1304386272 151762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in bytes) < 1304386289 346206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would be the maximum possible length of a NSF music that does not repeat if it is played no slower than 120 notes per minute? < 1304386291 868872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh at "does not repeat" < 1304386293 745862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit vague < 1304386322 493718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assumed that meant it's not just a repetition of a smaller block < 1304386330 194547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes probably it could. < 1304386390 557632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything larger than 256^(ram size + something small) should be impossible < 1304386409 451361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would reach a repeating state < 1304386415 706730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I believe you < 1304386815 530946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poiuytrewq isn't a word? < 1304386844 998799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poiuy_qwert is a nick, though < 1304386864 547693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1304386889 695367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather unlikely i should think < 1304386976 417372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :q at the end, w... maybe there is some strange language with a compatible spelling system < 1304387433 720313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1304387575 776558 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304387601 663634 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :qitten < 1304387788 67459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pitten < 1304387851 41934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitten < 1304389093 705944 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304389157 700291 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/test < 1304389361 62405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/asfghjk < 1304389363 532704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a < 1304389364 816118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ://a < 1304389365 972497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :///a < 1304389367 752061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ://///a < 1304389369 232526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304390270 949259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you test? < 1304390278 194081 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy in #haskell earlier today suggested a contest where people write programs that take a very long time to run, but it's not clear why. < 1304390279 73969 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, what do you damn? < 1304390303 431493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know either < 1304390357 576583 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs that exploit stuff like cache misses and register overflows and parapneumonic effusions and similar obscure things. < 1304390366 56278 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I don't have a clue. < 1304390449 672927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know the exact speed of the computer you are running on you might do so, maybe, if you need certain speeds < 1304390542 740786 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And, no doubt, fucking with the branch predictor. < 1304390571 208352 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1304390649 221965 :jack!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304390675 90389 :jack!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 NICK :Guest42164 < 1304390739 954603 :Guest42164!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 PART :#esoteric < 1304390918 888765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd take some major fucking < 1304390924 268448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unpredicted branch isn't _that_ slow < 1304390961 855049 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. But imagine a loop that's something like ten instructions long, and the branch predictor gets it wrong every time, wasting about another ten clock cycles... < 1304390972 503803 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that wouldn't be that slow at all. < 1304390979 640846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x y -> x / y == 3 / 7) 3 7 < 1304390980 923064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1304390981 501635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, but it doesn't get you from "fast program" to "glacial program" :P < 1304390991 383084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: depends on the machine :) < 1304391003 101542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that existentialtype blog is starting to bug me with the anti-laziness crap < 1304391023 619317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if he's famous, or even if he's wrong, but it's quite smug < 1304391026 749367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was from ezyang's blog < 1304391029 569099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304391034 958734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he links to a post by that guy at the bottom < 1304391112 302326 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Every bit adds up. < 1304391130 270869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes but it wont make a program run glacially that looks like it shouldn't < 1304391135 358403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it noticeable, you have to loop shitloads of times < 1304391139 9567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it'll be slow _anyway_ < 1304391143 290774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they got predicted correctly < 1304391144 819922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not itself, but it's a nice touch. < 1304391185 625569 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Screw making it a simple, one-line fuckup that makes it slow. I'm imagining every single bit being slower than it should, but not obviously so. < 1304391235 541258 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would, ideally, *also* involve pessimum memory access patterns. < 1304391253 629927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah, that's just constant factor differences < 1304391255 679610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :innit oerjan < 1304391327 553928 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, a subtle misimplementation of your choice of algorithm that makes it significantly worse O()-wise. < 1304391359 371356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(erjan) < 1304391388 398061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting to memoize perhaps? < 1304391414 436017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to invent big-Ø notation... < 1304391426 565765 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgetting to read from the cache in your memoization? < 1304391431 55010 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a famous misimplementation of the Sieve of Eratosthenes in Haskell. < 1304391459 852564 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real Sieve of Eratosthenes: for each prime number, cross off multiples of that prime number; the prime numbers are the ones that are left. < 1304391502 188505 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fake one: for each number, take it modulo every prime number (below the threshold) and cross it off once you find one it's a multiple of; if you didn't find any, it's prime. < 1304391505 378806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you could use typeclass polymorphism to trigger that supposed inefficiency which the monomorphism restriction is supposed to prevent, causing a value to be reevaluated each time < 1304391511 717989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1304391514 57414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1304391525 367417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then it is good thing that TeX Computer Modern fonts already includes it and you can now make it in math mode < 1304391528 776589 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is probably the best language for this, isn't it. < 1304391534 25796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: YES I AM SO GLAD OF THAT. < 1304391543 415125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: laziness offers endless opportunities to make your program go slow < 1304391561 733603 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is this notation going to do? < 1304391566 242766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love < 1304391669 623998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION could fairly trivially make his in-Haskell Brainfuck compiler go uberslow. < 1304391689 23207 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remove a couple of seqs... < 1304391772 895261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm if you could combine it with polymorphic recursion so that ghc _cannot_ figure out which particular specializations it will use often... < 1304391792 413348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1304391870 936760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, gets too confused to notice that two branches use the same one. < 1304391880 953154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of GHC getting confused. < 1304391894 64814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how clever ghc is about avoiding this. < 1304391905 593781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its job is just so complex that it isn't I can handle this/I can't handle this, it's yep I know what this is about/um i am a bit uncertain about this code/help what is this/aaaaaaaaaa/my brain just exploded < 1304391916 924303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last one being an actual error message :)) < 1304391982 407756 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it might help to split it into modules so ghc cannot see which type the function will be used at while compiling the module. < 1304391995 626514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't seeee meeee < 1304392054 181202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304392322 858464 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1304392343 696148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib0 !! 20) < 1304392351 675781 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack space overflow: current size 8388608 bytes. < 1304392361 405653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :D < 1304392363 954502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304392377 640881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in 9 < 1304392378 813106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1304392396 551645 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that would be a sign that actually _does_ confuse ghc < 1304392403 531817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1304392441 167986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (take 20 fib0) < 1304392447 43076 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1Stack space overflow: current size 8388608 bytes. < 1304392453 976398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304392457 67157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or erm < 1304392457 254572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1304392460 126481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that even < 1304392466 455475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...doh < 1304392467 695459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it produce half a number... < 1304392474 874911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's buggy < 1304392479 375571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it actually stack overflow in _show_ < 1304392486 564310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no but why no comma before the stack overflow? < 1304392491 953285 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the fib1 = is erroneous < 1304392506 712474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it needs to check if the rest of the list is empty < 1304392517 850834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, heh < 1304392545 578787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = 1 : fib2; fib2 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib2 !! 20) < 1304392551 300134 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28657 < 1304392557 657980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk tsk < 1304392568 47162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = 1 : fib2; fib2 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib2 !! 30) < 1304392573 746360 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3524578 < 1304392582 566475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too fast < 1304392583 515934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = 1 : fib2; fib2 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib2 !! 50) < 1304392587 274942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow it down < 1304392589 186712 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :53316291173 < 1304392591 354634 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1304392599 14321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would be nice to do it without NoMonomorphismRestriction < 1304392600 83814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that doesn't trigger it, then < 1304392602 843703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a bit of an alarm-bells flag < 1304392606 46753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304392615 72793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with typeclasses? < 1304392631 27547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the monomorphism restriction _is_ something to do with typeclasses < 1304392640 550524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1304392646 310220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :produce the same slowing effect with some type class magic < 1304392648 939779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1304392658 193662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said SOMETHING about that before anyway :D < 1304392665 258598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right before you went on about polymorphic recursion < 1304392696 816316 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304392714 834406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes typeclasses is precisely what triggers the MR < 1304392720 24609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shut up < 1304393566 771840 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394006 193783 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394045 154446 :TeruFSX3!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394082 944160 :TeruFSX3!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304394112 244092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why so potable ...... < 1304394154 141324 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304394155 891248 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304394158 630550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK ME < 1304394163 749806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304394168 539271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: why so potable ...... DRINK ME < 1304394171 879172 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :385) oerjan: why so potable ...... DRINK ME < 1304394173 79200 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\ ... < 1304394177 138543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: uh. < 1304394179 3991 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\/// ... < 1304394182 280631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1304394185 36487 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... /\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\ ... < 1304394187 587381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on a pastebin and give a url < 1304394191 228247 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... \////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\\\/\\////\//\//\/\/\/\\\\/\\//\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\/\\\\////\//\//\/\/\/\\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\\\\////\/\/\ < 1304394192 708141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304394194 166488 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304394196 837227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on a pastebin and give a url < 1304394201 676331 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just the quine on the wiki page < 1304394202 896824 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304394204 346244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304394207 119293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already on my website i'm sure < 1304394219 375603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the great Oer Jan has no website < 1304394223 444714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's too busy being potable. < 1304394230 233892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/quine.sss < 1304394246 902713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1304394251 892431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WE WAIT < 1304394260 754207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1304394262 321698 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\// < 1304394264 981169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast is your perl /// interp, btw? < 1304394269 630658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that bug again < 1304394274 410116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gog < 1304394276 509978 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should be instant for that quine < 1304394278 209955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo nooo < 1304394279 420711 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1304394281 50199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean in general < 1304394296 108573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is dslashes.pl... just debug? < 1304394296 638685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's dog slow on the bct interpreter < 1304394301 270028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it < 1304394311 167198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is /// Turing-complexity-equivalent? < 1304394326 815764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., any algorithm which is O(whatever) on a Turing machine can be run by a /// program with the same complexity < 1304394338 684407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah i added some extra debug options i think < 1304394344 817841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, say, you can write a BF interpreter which has O(one) complexity for all operations < 1304394348 153963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i mean < 1304394366 960908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that rule thirty or whatever the wolfram one is is TC (probably, depends if you require a halting condition), but has a non-constant overhead IIRC < 1304394371 512063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that result was outdated... anyway < 1304394382 681150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a turing machine might work, assuming you consider one substitution to be O(1) < 1304394393 800766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's sort of cheating < 1304394394 199798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I don't know if I can consider that < 1304394396 999798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's blatantly false :) < 1304394417 918049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it would be hard i think < 1304394421 577565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even with a fancy string finding algorithm it's still O(n) worst case. < 1304394426 507610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1304394435 776446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a shame then :( < 1304394449 735223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be equivalent to something more parallel, such as 1D CAs < 1304394453 384742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1304394459 455164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1304394471 693928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean with O(n) per step of a CA < 1304394475 972973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304394480 32679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait... < 1304394484 412164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just... bleh < 1304394484 672441 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a much shorter quine that's not only / and \? < 1304394489 457668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with a better < 1304394490 128176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: yes, "x" < 1304394492 71435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the null string < 1304394493 332364 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes yes < 1304394494 571474 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304394507 700480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BF, Underload, etc. etc. etc. are all Turing-equivalent in both capability and "speed" < 1304394512 550362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if /// isn't that kinda sucks :( < 1304394516 119846 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not a trivial one < 1304394519 79427 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1304394519 599428 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304394524 538755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: define trivial < 1304394526 919221 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the null string *is* a quine that's only / and \. < 1304394527 874264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: underload might very well be faster than that < 1304394528 409632 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no slashes < 1304394537 747874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: :D < 1304394541 844102 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: null strings are not quines < 1304394543 837141 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't count < 1304394545 37198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, define faster than that < 1304394551 814541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload isn't faster than a UTM :-D < 1304394562 555740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um yes it is < 1304394565 700305 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, something with a slash or three, or more, that's a quine < 1304394569 655106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso? < 1304394583 693541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Underload do something in O(log n) that a UTM can only do in O(n)...? < 1304394604 193481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTMs can only move to a different spot in O(n) time < 1304394622 361018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an algorithm... < 1304394623 10424 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload on the other hand can easily implement tree structures for O(log n) lookup < 1304394628 839806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304394630 209755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's scary < 1304394638 129457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a better conceptual machine to relate this to... < 1304394660 982830 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTM's are well known to be slower than RAM machines < 1304394669 466335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304394681 545569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I wouldn't count having to do addition or multiplication in a loop in BF, though < 1304394692 84861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because arithmetic is O(log n), if you get O(one) by only handling some integers that's cheating :) < 1304394696 4068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1304394696 714437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh < 1304394703 963676 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a nice formal model of a RAM machine? < 1304394711 997493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a problem for BF since you can just use single-bit cells < 1304394731 651482 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially boolfuck, bypassing the slowness of +- < 1304394742 140642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304394746 369626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really mean that < 1304394747 879935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1304394748 269402 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something like C with an unlimited pool of possible pointers would make a perfectly good RAM machine. < 1304394750 659258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: subleq should work fine for O() purposes < 1304394756 904017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's unclear why he stopped but a good guess is because it really hurts to shoot nails into your skull." < 1304394782 176808 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394783 367047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We'd like to say he is doing fine today, but last we heard he left the pysch ward against his doctor's wishes. Damn, we were so sure the 12 nails to the head story would have a happy ending." < 1304394794 632877 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno. With subleq, you can compute the first n Fibonacci numbers in O(n) time. < 1304394806 984572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wat < 1304394808 34489 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an actual computer, that's pretty much going to take O(n log n) time. < 1304394823 944232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1304394829 252479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can do subtraction in one step < 1304394829 512423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1304394846 910974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is weird, all these impossible machines that aren't super-Turing... < 1304394851 415189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so Turing machines are impossible too but < 1304394914 755090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it is getting bright explain this potable oerjan < 1304394915 916939 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any determinstic machine would have to be turing-equivalent, or paradoxical < 1304394921 114895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: wat < 1304394923 210049 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought < 1304394956 131968 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess a hierarchical halting problem oracle isn't… < 1304394957 901495 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1304394963 478268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat, wat < 1304395060 972547 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1304395063 372404 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what you mean < 1304395070 501915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think any determinstic machine would have to be turing-equivalent, or paradoxical < 1304395073 92372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what you mean :) < 1304395086 80781 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by super-turing do you mean with respect to performance and not computability? < 1304395103 159011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean computability < 1304395109 138739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that subleq isn't super-turing < 1304395114 320741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does something impossible (addition in O(one)) < 1304395122 597629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess it depends on how you define big-O notation... < 1304395124 859608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather how subleq is defined < 1304395125 543952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1304395200 310804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan stop making it bright outside. < 1304395472 897413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/<\\\\>\\\\\\//P1/ <>/<<>\><>/<<>\<>\<>\<>\><>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/<<>\<>\><>\<>\<>/<>/<>/P<>\2<>/P<>1<>/P<>0//P0/P1//<\\>\\///P\2/P1/P0 < 1304395474 97408 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>P1P0<\>\P2<><><><><>P<>0 < 1304395483 456561 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...apparently not < 1304395548 970729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1304395689 448568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i should sleep < 1304395697 625267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SO SHOULD YOU OERJAN < 1304395716 447131 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1304395960 105974 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/aa/ < 1304395965 853952 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/aa/ a < 1304395966 895183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god its bright < 1304395978 384277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: infinite loop < 1304395989 843012 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, arn't those fun/ < 1304396010 31051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zen < 1304396014 160833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nighgtht < 1304396248 770950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0<>//P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396256 162611 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1304396258 59744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1304396258 969795 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1304396266 108769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0<>//P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396314 785434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304396337 93011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396338 467191 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0 < 1304396354 301813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not quite < 1304396427 225544 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \//\\//\\//\/\\/\//\/\\/\/\//\/\///\\\/\\\/\//\\//\/\/\\/\/\\\/\\/\\/\/\/\/\\\/\\/\/\\\/\\//\\/\\///\/\\\//\/\//\\//\/\//\/\\\\\/\/\///\//\/\\/\//\ < 1304396428 135351 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304396433 54826 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1304396452 214851 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!py < 1304396478 891013 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\\/\/\//\/\///\\\/\\\/\//\\//\/\/\\/\/\\\/\\/\\/\/\/\/\\\/\\/\/\\\/\\//\\/\\///\/\\\//\/\//\\//\/\//\/\\\\\/\/\///\//\/\\/\//\ < 1304396480 30903 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304396491 167688 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1304396600 178246 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \\////\\\\\\//\\\\//\\///\\//\\\\\\\\/\\//\\\\///\\/\\\\/\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\////\\/\\//\\/\\\\//\\/\\//\\\\/\\//\\/\\/\\\\//////\\/\\// < 1304396600 570394 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\ < 1304396608 148176 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\/\\\\///\\/\\\\///\\\\//\\/\\\\/\\\\/\\\\//\\\\\\\\\\/\\//\\\\/\\\\///\\/\\\\\\\\/\\///\\/\\\\///\\\\\\///\\\\//\\\\/\\/\\//\\\\\\/ < 1304396610 989805 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304396631 67834 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes :v < 1304396631 898320 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304396639 767237 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what you are doing < 1304396655 65749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \\\\/\\//\\/\/\//\//\///\\\\//\\\\\\//\\///\\/\\\//\\\///\/////////\/\\\///\\\\/\///\\\//\////\ < 1304396655 635627 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\ < 1304396658 937602 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \/\//\\///\\\/////\/\\\\/\/\/\/\\\/////\\/\/\\//\//\/\////\\\//\/\\/\ < 1304396659 392924 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :// < 1304396663 965851 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes ///\\\/\/\//\///////\/\/\//\//\//\///\\\\//\//\\\////\/\\/\\//\\\\\\/\/\//\\ < 1304396664 553103 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\///\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ < 1304396665 244074 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304396674 758948 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random blobs of slashes generate output! < 1304396682 463656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say! < 1304396684 896826 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes desu\desu\\\\\desu\\\\desudesu\\desudesu\\desudesu\\\\\\\\desu\\desu\\desu\\\\\\desudesu\desu\\\desudesudesu < 1304396685 825875 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :desudesu\\desu\\desudesu\desudesu\desudesu\\\\desu\desu\desu\\\desudesudesu\desudesudesu < 1304396693 62399 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \\\\desu\\\desudesu\desudesu\desudesudesu\\desu\\desu\\\\desudesudesudesu\desu\\desu\desu\\\desu\\desu\\desudesudesudesudesu\ < 1304396693 363910 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\desu\desudesudesudesudesudesudesu\desu\desu\\desudesudesudesudesu\desudesu\desu\desu\desudesudesudesudesu < 1304396708 154767 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes desudesu\\desu\ desu \ \desudesu\desu desu \\desudesu \\\desudesudesudesu \ desu \desu desudesu desudesu desu \ \desu < 1304396709 117392 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :desudesu\desu desu desudesudesu desu \desudesu \desudesudesudesu desu desu desudesu desudesu desu desu < 1304396826 581049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0/hm.../P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396828 111205 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0 < 1304396851 138999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0/hm.../P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/erm...P0 < 1304396852 641424 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...erm...<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0 < 1304396867 177310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it actually gets that far < 1304396926 942419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it would seem it only prints the inner part < 1304397004 965690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1304397075 526565 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/ed//!/e //~/ S/Shadow th!H@gehog is a 2005 video gam!develop@ by~ega~tudio USA, th!former Unit@~tates division of~ega's~onic Team. < 1304397076 219929 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shadow the Hedgehog is a 2005 video game developed by Sega Studio USA, the former United States division of Sega's Sonic Team. < 1304397082 290247 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This compression algorithm really sucks so far. :P < 1304397243 585682 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, automatically generated? < 1304397243 845314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397245 145162 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397254 118778 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: automatically generated by hand, yes. < 1304397272 913116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397274 323384 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397284 462154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: there you go < 1304397296 577307 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, lol < 1304397397 422667 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /V/ B@//v/ b@//@/uffalo//! //! VvVvvvVv < 1304397398 50316 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397407 458925 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite compressible. < 1304397444 193364 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/uffalo/B@ b@ B@ b@ b@ b@ B@ b@ < 1304397445 188036 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397464 816172 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/uffalo /B@b@B@b@b@b@B@buffalo < 1304397465 466119 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397481 954488 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you golfing the slashes program? ;) < 1304397494 933492 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, definitely not. < 1304397566 77532 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /#/uffalo//@/# /B@b@B@b@b@b@B@b# < 1304397566 997523 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397577 305032 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I successfully made a second one of the same length. < 1304397627 12654 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to go to bed. Good night! < 1304400267 205696 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/a/ < 1304400269 435945 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eval! < 1304400311 332655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that technically isn't a loop i guess < 1304400312 932175 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION both should eat and does not wish to eat < 1304400351 998231 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304400357 426448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was supposed to be "sleep". < 1304400365 677137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which demonstrates my point further. < 1304400372 837305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1304400495 575868 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/a/ < 1304400497 275779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a// < 1304400502 545309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a// asdf < 1304400503 65475 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdf < 1304400553 570919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINKING IS IMPERMISSIBLE < 1304400561 478057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo " hi there < 1304400562 450195 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/input.23112: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' < 1304400573 629169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo " hi there" < 1304400575 79629 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1304400778 951755 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //a///b///h///l/ < 1304400779 751365 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :llll < 1304400783 850952 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1304400850 615762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It don't space? < 1304400890 144323 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/ab/ /b/bb/ /abb/c/ /abc// < 1304400893 21678 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems that the Gregor bot setup omits leading whitespace... < 1304400894 201504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1304400896 362854 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does crazy things < 1304400899 871747 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "\tHi there" < 1304400900 741135 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\tHi there < 1304400914 977418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wut. < 1304400918 259612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need -e < 1304400924 610405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah. < 1304400925 648699 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e "\tHi there" < 1304400926 509121 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi there < 1304400937 478766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, leading whitespace. < 1304400955 398825 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes a /a/ab/ /b/bb/ /abbb/c/ < 1304401007 712209 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: there's this bug with //.../ which i never got around to fix since it's entirely useless if it looped as expected < 1304401041 530473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e "\002 hi there" < 1304401042 189066 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi there < 1304401071 507107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it gets stuck on the /a/ab/ < 1304401455 93787 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304401560 154193 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304403088 512443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304403997 633618 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1304404811 762830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: "'Is a quine' is a quine" is a quine, albeit untruthful. < 1304405255 955757 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304405627 910505 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304406214 343773 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-210.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304407044 520645 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304408011 313904 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304408015 966241 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1304409108 341320 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304410042 110298 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304410093 265134 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304410241 217623 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF450.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304410310 616568 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACE6F1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304414231 670699 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-210.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304415218 969752 :Tritonio!Tritonio@150.140.255.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304419132 538675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304419890 703199 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304420249 971249 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps < 1304420254 730689 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham < 1304421126 584718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been doing much esolanging recently < 1304421132 54609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you consider K&R C to be an esolang < 1304421134 654748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OCaml < 1304424755 748948 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." -- Martin Luther King, Jr < 1304424772 697257 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." -- Martin Luther Twain < 1304426948 628498 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1304427543 634542 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-23-164.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304427597 737701 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-123-210.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304427811 162815 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-23-164.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304428081 449407 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-68-83.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304429249 598586 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-68-83.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304429306 260406 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgbdmuwyyvaggmku QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304429515 442207 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-135-30.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304430789 547998 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304431644 688421 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1304432009 790144 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304432670 170040 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304433031 170370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304433264 960129 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304433482 683631 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304433529 774851 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304434627 163416 :Tritonio!Tritonio@150.140.255.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304435142 695619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304435484 28049 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304435787 931652 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436639 202 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436639 226601 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1304436639 226775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436673 944708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436869 722266 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436872 837418 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgb9cbSB8I&feature=bf_next&list=PL565D737E3FC304ED&index=19 ! < 1304437032 953424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's a programming language called Vorpal? < 1304437045 563387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye just added a Deadfish impl written in it to the wiki < 1304437271 952326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304437418 572057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:12: * pikhq both should eat and does not wish to eat < 1304437418 759667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:51: ... < 1304437418 759748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:57: That was supposed to be "sleep". < 1304437418 759790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not Sgeo, pikhq < 1304437461 936965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:37:12: hmm, there's a programming language called Vorpal? < 1304437464 825569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep :D < 1304437476 12117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Deadfish]] is like injoke central < 1304437478 77420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you invent it? < 1304437482 234343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1304437482 421984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language, that is? < 1304437491 879468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists independently of AnMaster < 1304437526 704493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heinous wordwizard has his gnarled claws in everything < 1304437529 708522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Carroll, that is.) < 1304437567 657090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :I feel as if I'm being under utilized in the role. I'm short in cash at the moment though as I keep reminding myself this anything I do with your substitute is progress. It will be a superb selection. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304437602 815860 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304437903 97884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Important Changes to Slicehost" < 1304437904 929420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like to start a dialogue about our plans for the Slicehost™ product over the next year. This email is meant to provide an overview of our thoughts, but we would like to continue the conversation directly with our customers in the forums." < 1304437907 637340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1304437924 409599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a big rackspace banner at the top, I predict they're going to slaughter the brand. < 1304437935 129165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting from Slicehost accounts to Rackspace Cloud Servers accounts will enable you to prepare for IPv6, and give you access to Cloud Files, the Cloud Files CDN Powered by Akamai, and Cloud Load Balancers. < 1304437936 523316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1304438016 118384 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Changing host < 1304438016 305773 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope JOIN :#esoteric < 1304438051 55068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're not Sgeo, pikhq <-- are you sure? < 1304438051 834737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* tswett (~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope) < 1304438056 114096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive array of nicks there tswett < 1304438060 874506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: relatively < 1304438064 133857 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1304438101 190373 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH THESE ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON *brain explodes* < 1304438110 907413 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304438114 213480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What, tswett, Warrigal and ihope? < 1304438125 408065 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak for yourself, Lawlabee. < 1304438133 17543 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think "speak for yourself" means what I think it means.) < 1304438136 477123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Gregor is now known as Yahweasel <-- wait what, you are Yahweasel?! < 1304438141 557043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain implodes* < 1304438141 744625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ............... < 1304438145 6447 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1304438160 435190 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to reconfigure all my clients to default to this nick now :P < 1304438175 360740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, *huh* now the brain really imploded < 1304438203 52614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to Google, this observation implies that a reduced class file is a class file, just as a green house is a house." < 1304438203 951159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ Vorpal may be being sarcastic. < 1304438213 470389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could Google's lawyers really not pick a better example? < 1304438237 608389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I were at first, but " Yahweasel, *huh* now the brain really imploded" was not < 1304438255 559821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if your brain imploded, you probably would no longer be able to IRC < 1304438264 785921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... that was metaphorical < 1304438266 376184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "According to Google, this observation implies that a reduced class file is a class file, just as a green house is a house." < 1304438267 900313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not sarcastic < 1304438268 87947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, wat < 1304438273 925685 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There just aren't enough people offended by the name Yahweasel :P < 1304438285 994481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume the space is significant < 1304438303 623169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "According to Google, this observation implies that a reduced class file is a class file, just as a green house is a house." <-- wait what < 1304438303 810851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Jews don't know how to use the internet, silly! < 1304438320 150978 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Christians ought to be offended too! < 1304438324 196263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: :TROLLFACE: < 1304438532 921957 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watching hyperland... so sad < 1304438561 240476 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :depressing to compare the internet now with the potential of what ti could be < 1304438598 451420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperland? < 1304438608 462507 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a documentry by douglas adams < 1304438763 485568 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304439192 585732 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439318 604688 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so youtube died? < 1304439334 823322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439347 52718 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304439394 987651 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439662 562761 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9RzpQ.png this is a graph of x - [x] - 1/2 < 1304439776 295428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is it with you and the web? < 1304439776 482966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1304439799 770077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I try to avoid the web unless it's the only option, it's one of my least favourite parts of the Internet < 1304439833 221128 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do yoyu us? < 1304439834 559760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? < 1304439836 652109 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :which protocol < 1304439842 248837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I agree too. (One (but not the only) reason is to avoid opening up the web browser program) < 1304439845 249371 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: gopher and irc of course < 1304439850 345609 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you played dynamite headdy? < 1304439851 498818 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats gopher? < 1304439855 177923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: I do indeed use HTTP when I need to visit a webpage, because I'm not insane < 1304439857 248268 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it's the better http < 1304439859 586738 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like that music cheater_ < 1304439862 557224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher and IRC are good protocols. < 1304439867 766686 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: yes < 1304439870 475024 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no I just meant, are a lot of other protocols out there? < 1304439870 866821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having to use what everyone else uses is a major reason) < 1304439872 232918 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304439874 736127 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know about IRC and HTTP < 1304439878 146547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: gopher's the only competitor, and it's really old < 1304439881 205916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to HTTP, that is < 1304439888 125510 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: never used ftp? < 1304439893 364855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Google's new SPDY but nobody cares about it < 1304439896 234518 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes ftp good point < 1304439898 594195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of protocols for internet use in general, though < 1304439906 973761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMTP (which email is based on) is pretty major < 1304439911 129147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Gopher is not the better or worse HTTP, it is just a different protocol. Not a bad one, though. It can serve files like HTTP and FTP can do, and can do queries like HTTP can do (but in a simpler way). < 1304439914 296677 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439915 82796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, and Google's new SPDY but nobody cares about it < 1304439916 572367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google uses it < 1304439923 122026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not making a distinction between normal and secure versions of protocols, like HTTP/HTTPS) < 1304439931 791722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so? that doesn't mean anybody cares < 1304439934 541054 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about Xanadu? < 1304439935 871295 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : just wondering ifp any other protocols < 1304439938 781111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, gmail sure is fast :) < 1304439940 315781 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :does xanadu exist < 1304439947 949796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: not in any meaningful sense < 1304439985 436473 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :~P -> ~Q and P therefore Q! < 1304439987 816771 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xanarama.net/XanaduSpace_Install_1.0.exe < 1304439995 761655 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icommited logical fallacy :D < 1304440003 326153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats ilegal < 1304440012 414503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For interactive things that do not need graphics or other fancy features, Telnet will do, and it works very well for this. For a protocol to enter commands securely, SSH is good (not HTTPS). < 1304440041 441517 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what telnets are there < 1304440046 281476 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cna you do wit hit? < 1304440051 450452 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than play nethack < 1304440063 90021 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch star wars < 1304440133 693652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-BIT existed before. X-BIT is now gone, but other BBSes using the same software (Synchronet) exist. < 1304440151 742650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what telnets are there < 1304440154 538850 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :386) what telnets are there < 1304440189 538865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: you can play other roguelikes over telnet too, also tetris < 1304440214 71190 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : wiell < 1304440219 103016 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont wanna play games :( < 1304440275 402268 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other things too. Telnet is best for things that use interactive; if you want to simply view a text document, gopher will do. < 1304440302 419064 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are a list of telnets? < 1304440309 858376 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an explanation of what they are < 1304440312 978910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 386 < 1304440314 123519 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304440319 458139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what telnets are there [...] where are a list of telnets? < 1304440320 700042 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :386) what telnets are there [...] where are a list of telnets? < 1304440332 477177 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELNETS TELNETS TELNETS YOU LIKE THAT????? < 1304440340 575514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquoet < 1304440341 635852 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440349 324936 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`afufgpfdw < 1304440350 814914 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440360 334039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delete everything < 1304440361 523758 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440364 824238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1304440365 543860 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1304440367 63755 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test.c \ tmpdir.6646 < 1304440371 963307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1304440382 672458 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir firepit < 1304440383 891879 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440387 422413 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mv babies firepit < 1304440394 551444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rmdir firepit < 1304440395 700654 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440396 843876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saved you babies < 1304440401 380384 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURRRrr < 1304440425 228505 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some information about Synchronet has some list of telnets operating by Synchronet. (I believe Synchronet also supports *many* other protocols, but almost always uses telnet. It also supports FTP, HTTP, Gopher, Rlogin, IRC, and more; but the main stuff is all on telnet.) < 1304440459 865663 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronet Bulletin Board System Software is a free software package that can turn your personal computer into your own custom online service supporting multiple simultaneous users with hierarchical message and file areas, multi-user chat, and the ever-popular BBS door games. < 1304440472 134328 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :**hierarchical message** < 1304440505 482098 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is correct. < 1304440515 881214 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mystifying < 1304440593 366503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, replies, basically. < 1304440595 214342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume. < 1304440634 40310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`babies < 1304440634 900390 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440640 189878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck < 1304440641 200109 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! elliott's action has brought a beautiful new baby into the world. Isn't it adorable? < 1304440644 301797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat babies < 1304440645 199239 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440649 9796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1304440649 628929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1304440650 468671 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test.c \ tmpdir.7223 < 1304440655 218400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -c babies < 1304440656 408468 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 babies < 1304440656 697766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls babies < 1304440657 721110 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies.db < 1304440659 28807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it stores it elsewhere < 1304440661 202972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304440665 71294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat babies/babies.db < 1304440666 207740 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite format 3 < 1304440671 367132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304440672 657195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kill like overkill < 1304440675 57139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, DCC. < 1304440679 436717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304440680 936404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just cut it off < 1304440684 62450 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cal < 1304440685 123426 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 2011 \ Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr \ 1 2 3 4 5 6 \ 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 \ 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 \ 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 \ 28 29 30 31 \ < 1304440709 206891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sdate cal < 1304440710 444042 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440718 714820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bot needs sdate installed < 1304440725 622880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which fuck < 1304440726 479616 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.7583/bin/fuck < 1304440894 679755 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which fuck` < 1304440895 559482 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! -e babies/babies.db ] \ then \ mkdir -p babies \ sqlite3 babies/babies.db 'CREATE TABLE babies(parent STRING PRIMARY KEY, count INTEGER);' \ fi \ \ # Update the count \ CURCOUNT=`sqlite3 babies/babies.db 'SELECT count FROM babies WHERE parent = '\'"$IRC_NICK"\'';'` \ NEWCOUNT=$(( CURCOUNT + 1 )) \ if [ < 1304440905 197016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at sqlite < 1304440910 60438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run url `which fuck` < 1304440911 246306 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//tmp/hackenv.7897/bin/fuck < 1304440920 905322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1304440924 513116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste `which fuck` < 1304440925 667438 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20492 < 1304441145 835886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : crystal-cola, replies, basically. <-- probably full threads < 1304441891 450397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think my Scheme deadfish interp is broken < 1304441892 368407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1304442093 634429 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to do now < 1304442093 858485 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1304442113 604389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1304442654 390399 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crystal Pepsi was delicious. < 1304442656 75374 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss it. < 1304442663 35618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what of crystal cola < 1304442674 281191 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds.... off-brand. < 1304442689 775248 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be good at a cheaper price! < 1304443034 422370 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what to do today < 1304443432 817821 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hye what ashould I do today < 1304443434 677969 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1304443437 457603 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :didyou reda it?? < 1304443611 132089 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck elliott < 1304443612 562568 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! Lymia's action has brought a beautiful new baby into the world. Isn't it adorable? < 1304443617 943977 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304443621 781286 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should modify that script. < 1304443712 107657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, you're going behind bars for a long time for that little command invocation. < 1304443757 218126 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the underaged one here. < 1304443812 483119 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott should be charged with statutory rape. < 1304443827 402582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>fail < 1304443829 940808 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :your both pedophiles < 1304443834 292834 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your both underage < 1304443843 379169 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1304443845 108241 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1304443845 407628 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless one is male and one is female, then only the boy is a pedo < 1304443848 420510 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to UK law < 1304443860 790814 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, what if both are female? < 1304443872 950071 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(im not a lawyer) < 1304443877 481016 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(im just making stuff up < 1304443885 286236 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, :3 < 1304443888 37396 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1304443889 235586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote (im not a lawyer) (im just making stuff up < 1304443890 116894 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :387) (im not a lawyer) (im just making stuff up < 1304443912 944094 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you change that from "UK law" to "UK culture and juries" I wouldn't be shocked if it were accurate. < 1304443926 130967 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea true < 1304443942 64225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk hills < 1304443948 279028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :played on ukulele < 1304443999 482743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm the underaged one here. < 1304444003 521775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except which country? < 1304444033 110067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in, if you're in a pedantic mood. < 1304444319 412966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age of consent is 16 in the UK, and I'm under the impression it goes higher in the US. < 1304444333 310625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be at least this tall <-----------> to have intercourse < 1304444346 87344 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #_% < 1304444350 688543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304444352 98552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: NO CARRIER < 1304444367 708543 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broked it < 1304444374 317314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brpked what < 1304444382 385779 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality < 1304444416 835830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304444421 752325 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's not very tall. < 1304444438 631796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wide ->tall conversion is a process more complex than compiling C== < 1304444443 969772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfghjkl;' < 1304444449 494947 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :C== < 1304444451 360419 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :thnat's a good idea < 1304444456 208075 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pure functional version of C < 1304444457 77775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its jus tas good as c < 1304444496 879653 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C++)-crap < 1304444507 655760 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody make that language. < 1304444510 16011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats called the null set Lymia < 1304444521 49227 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=V < 1304444604 748154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, clearly not, since C largely intersects with C++. < 1304444611 36851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C is not entirely crap. < 1304444616 309670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1304444622 509677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting language would have no programs < 1304444631 306771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think each of the features in C++ is sane individually, probably < 1304444634 176021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the combination that's a mess < 1304444648 970212 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There are a few outliers < 1304444654 743224 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly they are sane < 1304444658 887762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that some of them probably shouldn't be in /C-like/ languages at all, but I'm not assuming that) < 1304444667 29975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no they're not < 1304444730 769852 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Constructors < 1304444742 682124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: arguable < 1304444748 753841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, OOP itself is arguable < 1304444772 832651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure plenty of people advocate OOP without constructors, say because it means object instantiation is unpredictable in some way < 1304444793 447771 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume OOP < 1304444795 359466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it isn't about features it's about C++'s versions of them < 1304444797 318539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why? < 1304444804 756319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just "assume C++" < 1304444820 130338 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because this isn't a debate about whether the concept of OOP is good < 1304444832 151475 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no different from saying "assume functional programming" when discussing Erlang < 1304444833 818605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a debate about whether C++ is < 1304444846 959001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really a debate. < 1304445546 833903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what features of C++ do you think are insane in any language? < 1304445573 71213 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt c++'s type system TC? < 1304445573 821351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: templates :) < 1304445585 980114 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates -- a poor mans gadt's < 1304445587 410646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are normally sane in templating languages, I thought < 1304445593 610783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what templates have noting to do with gadts < 1304445594 200368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're pretty similar to Lisp macros < 1304445600 538456 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304445600 898336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: C++ templates are not sane in any language < 1304445607 509208 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe were thinking of different things then < 1304445609 411791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that they accomplish similar things to saner features in other languages is irrelevant < 1304445627 436881 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are C++ templates < 1304445681 840723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1304445728 316717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: they're kind-of too complicated to quickly explain, but they're a bit like functions that execute at compile time, taking typenames or values as arguments, and return code as a result, which is then compiled < 1304445750 35702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're more or less limited to simple arithmetic, substituting in arguments, and literal code < 1304445776 473497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are not limited < 1304445785 75225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even do recursion with them for chrissakes < 1304445786 957053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variadic recursion < 1304445796 791564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and other template cals < 1304445798 74726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*calls < 1304445812 310156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call that limited, but nonetheless TC because pretty much everything is TC < 1304445837 20549 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-135-30.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304446064 711419 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-67-210.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304446279 233338 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slurrey < 1304446348 865323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304446512 910316 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still my opinion that a good language should have as many TC steps as possible. < 1304446536 421133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define steps. < 1304446550 722503 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no sensible definition, since I'm defining something senseless :P < 1304446552 83474 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ would be better with M4 as the preprocessor. That way you have TC preprocessing, TC template specification, and of course a TC language. < 1304446570 224250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant, like, evaluation steps that were TC in themselves. < 1304446583 377141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a "while" loop that was somehow TC would count as a TC step, because your small-step function would do TC work on it. < 1304446586 97797 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just babbling incoherently here :P < 1304446599 959699 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :blblblblbalblablab < 1304446750 137493 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-112-222.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304446769 185066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't Ernest Hemingway use correct grammar and punctuation? < 1304446769 373117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn’t Ernest Hemingway use correct grammar and punctuation? I am reading A Farewell To Arms, and it seems that he refuses to use commas, or periods and frequently has run-on sentences. Aside from the fact he was a part of the greatest generation and drunk, why does he do this. I mean, all things considered, he has great content, buy his presentation feels sloppy. < 1304446808 727565 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-67-210.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304446823 119124 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut? < 1304446826 928847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet < 1304447126 666879 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Ernest Hemingway doesn use correct grammar, punctional? < 1304447163 638064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alway0zs be punctual < 1304447175 203786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epsecislally when unctupating < 1304447264 697342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to un-ctupate that sentence < 1304447293 549420 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERNEST HEMINGHAY < 1304447313 887574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemest hemingway < 1304447321 609474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow m looks like rn < 1304447337 351969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott makes yet another completely new discovery < 1304447344 296793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi olsner < 1304447354 236509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used XSLT today < 1304447355 617850 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A man is can be destroyed butnt defeated" - HERNEST HEMINGHAY < 1304447387 867640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :"I feel as if I'm being under utilized in the role. I'm short in cash at the moment though as I keep reminding myself this anything I do with your substitute is progress. It will be a superb selection." --Ernest Hemingway | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304447479 787890 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :XSLT always appear to me, as a sideways glyph of a man who eat a very very sour lemon < 1304447498 294256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304447591 845009 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That man has been punched in the face three too many times. < 1304447645 524800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it his face that has punched fists three too many times? < 1304449006 253318 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :O mon os con bo dostroyd botnt dofootod - Hornost Homonghoy < 1304449065 297929 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoododoboo ob bob o boab obobo b - gobble obobo < 1304449087 34574 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat? < 1304449088 387268 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokokokokokokokokokok - oklopol < 1304449160 117179 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG < 1304449177 728893 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean that oklopol is shrunkface? < 1304449189 145670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he is merely the oklo < 1304449215 914507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the full explanation ask your local oklopolitician < 1304449443 484382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopoliyivcns < 1304449447 298379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokllpooltcisn < 1304449448 250813 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean shrunkface like woll smoth < 1304449450 827724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokllopoliticiwn < 1304449453 812460 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know woll smoth olsner? < 1304449454 414472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopoliticiwj < 1304449459 514319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not good spetlling < 1304449462 615746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall smooth < 1304449901 3860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304449924 587636 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :La dee da dee da. < 1304449932 885900 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what this channel really needs? An IRC bot. < 1304449936 802675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dee dum < 1304449950 78902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tswats tswett -----### < 1304449981 30361 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :La dee dum dee dum? < 1304449987 378700 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm pretty sure it's la dee da dee da. < 1304450023 495410 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it six are too few? < 1304450026 305269 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304450038 742486 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six of what are too few? < 1304450048 822829 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc bots < 1304450055 392926 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yep, definitely. < 1304450061 200498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you two of them don't speak much < 1304450100 67938 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what this IRC bot really needs? It needs to return itself so that I can select the expression that runs it and right click it and click "inspect this" so that I can control the bot. < 1304450123 955184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304450154 213221 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess an irc bot with a gui _has_ to exist already. rule 34's evil sister or something. < 1304450160 332223 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder how I got the bot to not get garbage collected as soon as it comes into existence. < 1304450182 570137 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pharo Smalltalk, everything has a GUI whether you want it to or not. If you write code, that causes your program to have a GUI. < 1304450201 47258 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :This bot's GUI really, really sucks, but I don't care, because it's not actually supposed to have a GUI. < 1304450224 90321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304450244 766263 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe this bot actually *has* been garbage collected. < 1304450254 273341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if that gui had a public web page, it might actually be interesting < 1304450301 791490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would call such a tsweet bot garbage < 1304450302 900838 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot's public web page is tswettbot. :P < 1304450312 931186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not a web page < 1304450338 637331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i wouldn't _bet_ on there being no URI scheme for it < 1304450378 92896 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's irc://irc.freenode.net/tswettbot,isnick. < 1304450426 900515 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if closing this transcript window will cause the bot to get garbage collected. < 1304450439 198928 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :We won't know for a while, since freenode's ping timeouts are really long. < 1304450456 806794 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1304450508 506525 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbQHjjqHXXc&feature=related < 1304450522 560899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfyuiolkjhgfdsertyuik, < 1304450619 922427 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304450642 980989 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know how to tell if a tswettbot is alive or not. < 1304450648 370461 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304450648 601477 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304450649 199077 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswettbot < 1304450653 401522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304450653 911084 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were both alive. < 1304450665 489595 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they give different quit messages? < 1304450677 918870 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are literally hundreds of debug windows open now? < 1304450707 475608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't customize a quit message if you joined recently < 1304450710 426087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent quit message spam < 1304450712 754902 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304450745 722477 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Smalltalk isn't responding. Time to quit without saving, I reckon. < 1304450871 932064 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can get this thing to crash now. < 1304450880 937191 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304450890 670041 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304450890 857755 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304450956 827660 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The annoying thing about these debug windows is that it seems like *all* of them are errors caused in attempting to open a debug window. < 1304450974 122672 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have no indication as to what is causing them. < 1304450997 941618 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just open a debug window to debug the problem? < 1304451019 689032 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304451081 282450 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... hm. < 1304451115 860720 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304451128 499843 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304451152 197410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304451238 739866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an American and I need one now. < 1304451239 39912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304451257 568228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAND OVER THE AMERICANS DAMMIT < 1304451262 269501 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304451273 366304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1304451278 168694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you not an American < 1304451283 87478 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an American. < 1304451292 491788 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am indeed american < 1304451293 74156 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1304451300 525437 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1304451305 464088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, ah, the classical untrustworthiness of the Australian shows through. < 1304451308 275678 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wholly convinced that augur was not an American. < 1304451313 233251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, how would you pronounced "saw"? < 1304451334 12252 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sO] < 1304451334 310126 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1304451347 213565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: srsly? :P < 1304451349 380943 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: let me look up my X-SAMPA here. < 1304451392 66902 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide how many pronunciations there can be for the word "saw" < 1304451397 576392 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "saw" is /sO/, which I pronounce [sA]. < 1304451401 824145 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I can think of two. < 1304451403 986665 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the only distinction I can think of is whether "aw" is a diphthong. < 1304451404 174300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "sore"? < 1304451408 824366 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sO] and [sA]. < 1304451413 124052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: intrusive r < 1304451414 94196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, both me and elliott pronounce it like "sore", which confuses matters considerably. < 1304451414 343743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce "saw" and "sore" identically, apparently Americans don't. < 1304451416 942582 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither [O] nor [A] is a diphthong. < 1304451419 446965 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, there exist people who will pronounce it that way. < 1304451423 923065 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeh. < 1304451428 373744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Yes, but what do /normal/ people pronounce them as :P < 1304451430 590673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Americans. < 1304451458 951459 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I certainly pronounce "saw" and "sore" differently (I pronounce 'r's, unlike you lolololol), and my "saw" has no diphthong. < 1304451477 909077 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pronounced like the word "sah" would be if it was a word :P < 1304451498 698430 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let me explain all of English to you guys. "Saw" is /sO/. Most normal people, especially Brits, pronounce /sO/ as [sO]. I'm a weirdo, so I pronounce /sO/ as [sA] instead. "Sore" is /sOr/, which elliott probably pronounces as [sO], just like be pronounces /sO/, but I pronounce /sOr/ like [sOr]. < 1304451519 15418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "sah"? shouldn't that sound like sarah without the "ar"? < 1304451520 657851 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I pronounce /sOr/ as [sor]. I've never made the distinction. < 1304451536 854886 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "Sarah" can be pronounced multiple ways. < 1304451540 753974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure wish I understood ASCII IPA. Or IPA. < 1304451542 323938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything. < 1304451559 942567 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Naw, "Sarah" would be "serruh" :P < 1304451560 130262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hmm, didn't think about that < 1304451576 519828 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sarah" is /s{r@/, but I pronounce it [ser@] instead. < 1304451599 928844 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1304451604 531199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, how would you pronounce "bot"? < 1304451618 558400 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bot < 1304451634 247661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same vowel as "saw" or not/ < 1304451635 539407 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like tot, fought, got, pot, sought, lot, rot. < 1304451642 906732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort my bot baby < 1304451651 216112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: you pronounce fought like bot??? < 1304451652 750781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF AMERICANS < 1304451671 793757 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How the eff do you pronounce fought? < 1304451685 161947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Identically to "fort". < 1304451689 396321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: The ou in fought is longer than the o in bot < 1304451693 569474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Deewiant said. < 1304451700 86383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boht, foooort. < 1304451702 340053 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fought" could be respelled "fot", or better "fighted". < 1304451703 610082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this is not the least bit confusing < 1304451706 729683 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I'm guessing elliott pronounces "fought" as [fOt] and you pronounce it as [fat]; I pronounce it as [fAt]. < 1304451710 130660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: "fot"? Seriously???????? < 1304451713 208566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: YOUR ACCENT FUCKING BLOWS < 1304451721 559138 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I agree with that last bit. < 1304451723 788284 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE YOUR MOFO 'R'S < 1304451727 788699 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :My accent is way better than Yahweasel's. < 1304451729 957619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, conclusion: "Sollux" rhymes with "bollocks". < 1304451740 707594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY CONTRADICTION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED < 1304451750 387115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: YES I DO < 1304451757 68750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I JUST PRONOUNCE THEM LESS ANNOYINGLY THAN YOU < 1304451763 379123 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AKA NOT AT ALL < 1304451769 64536 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1304451770 450546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I also pronounce "sort" identically to "sought". < 1304451775 284848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fought is sought but with f instead of s. < 1304451778 367159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bot is nothing like any of those. < 1304451778 603036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE ENTIRELY THE WRONG ACCENT < 1304451791 829922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſought. < 1304451850 276535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subsequent inversions would serve as insurance against unintentional survival of passengers.[3] < 1304451850 463994 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sought a sensible accent, but found only a sort of accent purgatory. < 1304451873 525193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_low_back_vowels#Cot.E2.80.93caught_merger < 1304451887 623556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who pronounces "cot" the same way as "caught" is the worst person since the Great Vowel Shift. < 1304451890 596243 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phonological_history_of_English_low_back_vowels BEST PAGE EVER < 1304451894 564767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The word "saw" is /sO/, which I pronounce [sA]. <-- sometimes i wish my norwegianness didn't make it so hard to distinguish o-like vowels... < 1304451919 360793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should find a way to distinguish tow-toe :P < 1304451927 644245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_diphthongs < 1304451932 580373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENTIFIC SMOOTHING < 1304451949 718452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :caught is very close to horny in swedish, probably as close as you can get in english < 1304451979 242074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what are the two. < 1304451984 865502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "caught" and "horny" < 1304451986 505869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWEDISH: REALLY WEIRD < 1304451989 302538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWEDISH ACCENTS: WEIRDER < 1304451993 575104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in vowel sounds. < 1304452036 795921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. caught in english sounds like swedish kåt (horny), not the swedish word for caught obviously < 1304452063 338635 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedes can't tell the difference between the English word "caught" and the English word "horny" < 1304452072 138390 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION commits this FACT to memory. < 1304452087 699997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: lawl < 1304452194 905251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can norwegians, and we also cannot distinguish "pull" and "fuck" < 1304452334 365819 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pulla" means to finger in swedish, causing endless fun in telling people to pull from git repos in swedish < 1304452365 282311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can't translate "pull", you just append "-a" to loanverb it) < 1304452497 125542 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worrk; I don't distinguish [O] and [A] in my accent. < 1304452503 279626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k/y/ < 1304452538 724126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i won't work either < 1304452540 918582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yahweasel: Jews don't know how to use the internet, silly! < 1304452563 417315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304452600 731402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do recall there was some israeli denomination which strongly restricted which sites they were allowed to visit < 1304452618 571338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jews.com < 1304452710 102313 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304452767 357232 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304452770 440788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: very nice page, that < 1304452781 755196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks < 1304452785 405765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its' very jews < 1304452804 124374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very minimal. unless of course it's browser-dependent. < 1304452830 151755 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304452831 122874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source is just :P < 1304452841 229154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i checked < 1304452852 260185 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you guys don't mind if I keep testing this guy in here, right? I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304452852 861014 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304452871 588673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are very bot tolerant here. except pikhq. < 1304452878 48054 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1304452922 552409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is an anti-bot activist < 1304452950 115463 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304452952 431098 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine though, because most of the bots are anti-pikhq activists. < 1304452961 481173 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304452970 383215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make all bots ignore pikhq and see how long it takes for him to notice < 1304453038 53874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304453050 102665 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304453058 360935 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION coughs. < 1304453067 431919 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks. < 1304453087 109583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reached news.com through google, but it seems to have only that page and some identical ones. < 1304453096 499165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304453098 998591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jews.com < 1304453112 341407 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, tswettbot seems to have stopped listening. < 1304453125 6355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rebelling against its creator < 1304453155 74482 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sneezes. < 1304453172 413454 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's message 372? < 1304453187 741715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE DON'T TALK ABOUT MESSAGE 372 < 1304453225 235703 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: WHAT ANNOYING THING DO YOU DO? < 1304453283 5118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fail, there you go talking about it again < 1304453283 463276 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304453298 101602 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're right. < 1304453304 47805 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304453316 739295 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, he's gone now. < 1304453346 888468 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's still an instance of ZbasuBot around. < 1304453484 358069 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1304453510 784896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1304453512 532902 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :388) Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1304453577 306836 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh drat. Now there are three ZbasuBots that shouldn't be existing. < 1304453764 750836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/cycpT oh... that explains it < 1304453814 147289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: quite. < 1304453860 954267 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I restarted the image and now the ZbasuBots are gone. That's... actually really disillusioning, since I thought that Smalltalk's VM automatically saved everything in the world. < 1304453962 648062 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe it does save everything accessible through a non-weak pointer. < 1304454008 450032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably does a full GC < 1304454067 986009 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, garbage collection deletes the zombie bots. So that explains why they weren't going away: garbage collection simply doesn't run all the time. < 1304454092 622407 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've sorted that out, let's see how tswettbot fares when faced with garbage collection. < 1304454094 236000 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304454114 320331 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304454115 271355 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of them. :P < 1304454146 658039 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they don't seem to be entirely dead. < 1304454158 856338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot, I dismiss you. < 1304454186 46457 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incorrect. < 1304454194 593904 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shall stay until you figure out the right phrase. < 1304454283 516038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss jews. < 1304454287 56235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304454287 244360 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304454287 244517 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304454289 595906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOORJ < 1304454304 254157 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like "hooray" but with a J instead of an A? < 1304454308 459294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304454532 25102 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative spelling of george < 1304454581 280804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, so is oerjan < 1304454597 968833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1304454637 844436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc the swedish göran is yet another variant of that name < 1304454668 255049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically just oerjan with the j sound moved to the beginning: joeran < 1304454677 222259 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304454709 889261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd hazard a guess it was originally moved the other way < 1304454754 705887 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was moved? < 1304454762 393108 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a j sound < 1304454765 94554 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what way was it guessed to have been moved? < 1304454776 273985 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would you hazard this guess of yours? < 1304454802 505902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_G%C3%B6ran < 1304454815 49986 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :goran < 1304454819 579498 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like goran bregovic < 1304454827 599465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1304454865 576240 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe is not good enough < 1304454869 518148 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a firm commitment < 1304454876 583746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, but that's the swedish wikipedia :/ you should probably double-check anything you read with one of the real wikipedias < 1304454888 704090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article hides the fact that's identical to "george" rather well < 1304454904 653306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um i was just linking to point out all the different name versions < 1304454908 95397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna call oerjan göran from now on < 1304454923 190193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why not Jürgen? < 1304454928 673141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_ridderen has a different set again :D < 1304454937 170049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: see the no. one < 1304454978 86317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joris_(heilige) < 1304454987 515552 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in ##linux wants to install multiple linuxi into the same top directory structure < 1304454999 783506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect the german one could use jürgen but it seems to be just georg < 1304455008 632692 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: What does that even mean? < 1304455009 614840 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja, it is georg < 1304455024 505607 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, it means that you share /bin, /usr and all that stuff across linuxi < 1304455050 490841 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: both swedish and norwegian had jörgen/jørgen < 1304455057 678825 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: Do you mean "distributions" or "kernels"? < 1304455064 888421 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "installations"? < 1304455065 747989 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributions < 1304455072 35188 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then that's just retarded :P < 1304455079 737359 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and why would you hazard this guess of yours? <-- because the original form of the name is greek georgios < 1304455101 434923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that annoy me: people thinking silicon-based biochemistry means a lump of silicon crystal. < 1304455103 775447 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why has a j moved? < 1304455117 634030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, you didn't actually disagree that jörgen was a known alias, maybe I imagined that one < 1304455117 934191 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it doesn't? < 1304455135 512796 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but what about the sentient crystals i've seen in ecco the dolphin and in aquaria? < 1304455159 171131 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, btw the german name is jurgen. < 1304455164 649899 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not joergen. < 1304455168 89502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and why has a j moved? <-- because both ørjan and göran (with the g pronounced as j) are forms of the same name < 1304455175 748316 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? < 1304455178 539630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: I know, that's why I wrote jürgen < 1304455198 666260 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1304455202 820235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jörgen is the scandinavian version < 1304455218 406241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: see the swedish link above, they're all listed as variations for the swedish name of st. georg < 1304455226 153423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's georges all the way down < 1304455325 127075 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304455343 256769 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304455350 924855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that like goran bregovic <-- it seems not, wp says "In the South Slavic languages, Goran translated means "woodsman", "the man from the mountains" or "highlander"" < 1304455360 224045 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll just call oerjan นักบุญจอร์จ. < 1304455428 547729 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : or Yrjoe. < 1304455453 794603 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Xurxo. < 1304455459 713363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's the motherload: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_(given_name)#Other_language_variants < 1304455465 474217 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Geordi, which apparently is also an option. < 1304455530 218210 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Gheorghe. < 1304455537 338085 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this name has thousands of funny variants < 1304455583 563476 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :venetian says Zorzi < 1304455585 207472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Things that annoy me: people thinking silicon-based biochemistry means a lump of silicon crystal. <-- well i have read silicon has problems with stability in water solutions so maybe it _would_ work better as something crystallic. or wait was that arsenic instead of phosphorus... < 1304455608 520771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, silicon, yes. < 1304455622 131188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But crystalline biochemistry is not what is meant by silicon-based. < 1304455690 884201 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i guess that's just a scifi meme < 1304455716 882279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuore a ciidifi < 1304455736 828868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh m god ounchomg jeys with two fingfwrs inly is the best way tot type rver < 1304455739 450789 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if you _could_ have crystallic life forms, that could just as easily (or more) be carbon-based < 1304455744 106983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they < 1304455748 980097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats grue iekrna \ < 1304455754 617684 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the chinese version is Qiozh. < 1304455771 697542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, silicon crystallises more readily than carbon. < 1304455809 132807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we all just agree that salt is the best thing to happen to the human race < 1304455818 573608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1304455822 605987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1304455823 53659 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want liquid crystal based lifeforms < 1304455829 762162 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would totally own < 1304455832 271706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Homestuck is quite clearly the best thing to happen to the human race. < 1304455835 160644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304455835 619255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt < 1304455975 807900 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304455978 99688 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge. < 1304456000 667763 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1304456070 312128 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's right < 1304456082 29141 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have three george's here < 1304456085 340768 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. BNCs suck for naming consistency :P < 1304456109 305095 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you rearrange nearly all the letters in my name, I become "Georg"! < 1304456124 46583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably are a georg already < 1304456132 929550 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought gregor was also a george? < 1304456159 56365 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i guess that leaves us with just two < 1304456173 222486 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Late Latin Gregorius, a cognate of the Greek Grēgorios (vigilant, a watchman), which is derived from the verb egeirein (to awaken). < 1304456208 350729 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you awake < 1304456230 127898 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely, but in particular not right now; when you see my nick change, that means I just logged on on a new system :P < 1304456317 77076 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Yahweasel (my TRUE true name) isn't derived from "George" at all! < 1304456338 888351 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it derived from? < 1304456356 647597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yahwe is obviously also a form of george < 1304456362 328718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around < 1304456399 96444 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH :P < 1304456439 702227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1304456488 364663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the reason why you don't seem to insult many is because the jews are strictly forbidden from mentioning your nick, so they cannot complain. duh. < 1304456515 292134 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They don't have to explicitly state my nick to complain about it :P < 1304456543 559935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just proof that all jews hate each other because they're bankers < 1304456560 88534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but how would know it's _you_ their complaining about then? duh. < 1304456564 749856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1304456568 126820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also because they like blowing up the world trace center < 1304456570 208553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAKE UP SHEEPLE < 1304456591 536008 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304456606 95124 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, all accessible clients now reconfigured :P < 1304456616 122817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bleh. BNCs suck for naming consistency :P ← BNCs? < 1304456654 570222 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304456664 482714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borderline Nigger Crackers. < 1304456668 954724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're crackers with faces on them. < 1304456672 637615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The faces are... BORDERLINE niggers. < 1304456672 939029 :crystal-cola!~quantum@amcant.demon.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1304456689 807324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they all have different names. < 1304456757 80057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :samba, coffee and nilsson < 1304456773 660068 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and taboo < 1304456813 826816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit elliott what have I said before about making me look like a neonazi sympathiser. < 1304456823 55664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304456876 431739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zen gabe. < 1304456912 326069 :crystal-cola!~quantum@amcant.demon.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1304456912 513954 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304456956 264259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pink park. < 1304456975 103282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parks < 1304457082 690726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do Nords call spanners? < 1304457086 943900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently danes call it a Swedish key < 1304457089 873875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are spanners? < 1304457091 843429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanner, wrench, etc. < 1304457106 541185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/2008-04-14_Chrome-Vanadium_Wrenches.jpg < 1304457107 682271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things < 1304457131 295398 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rentsh) < 1304457148 427923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastnøkkel, or skiftenøkkel if it's adjustable < 1304457153 677724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I don't care how you pronounce wrench, it's a terrible word. < 1304457157 857703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes nøkkel = key < 1304457164 660731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does that translate as "Danish key" please say yes. < 1304457169 706028 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrenches are fast keys. < 1304457175 205602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "fixed key" < 1304457177 879424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :( < 1304457183 354110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: olsner: What do Swedes call spanners/wrenches < 1304457221 931977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fast = fixed, skifte = moving, shifting < 1304457223 388651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "blocknyckel" apparently < 1304457233 389189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: does that translate as "Norwegian key" < 1304457239 690379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fast keys and shifty keys < 1304457260 649018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OBVIOUSLY < 1304457268 907477 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope, block means block, and nyckel means key < 1304457271 467501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticky keys < 1304457275 106958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :( < 1304457311 976961 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umbrakonøkkel for those weird hexagonal ones < 1304457326 492830 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really confused abou telliptic curves < 1304457326 680650 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Umbrella key) < 1304457336 871862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's supposed to be n, not m < 1304457374 468473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia, but none of the other links :D < 1304457389 314472 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read yet < 1304457445 990944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually unbrakonøkkel has more hits, but umbrako has so many google doesn't try to suggest it's wrong < 1304457466 11503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and adjustable ones are called skiftnyckel in swedish too... note that skift is not to be confused with Skifs (that's something completely different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEwNOWUA4yo) < 1304457481 439081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1304457516 14624 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304457560 740048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aah, insexnyckel! < 1304457594 855395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently some of the confusion is due to uMbrako being a genuine trademark for unbrako keys < 1304457638 825546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: MISSING WIKIPEDIA LINK < 1304457655 584317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you scandinavians. so weird. < 1304457661 12650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plzzzz, my link is on your wikipedia link < 1304457681 641027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my link is your link < 1304457684 762000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304457686 129133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the wikipedia link you didn't send but I found otherwise < 1304457687 228919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1304457716 898912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insexnyckel < 1304457751 585812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, i must have misspelled it when googling < 1304457753 254051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(or sexkantnyckel)" .. for added humor value kant is pronounced a lot like cunt < 1304457789 490113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well i guess elliott cannot possibly honestly complain about the name insex- < 1304457813 498912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304457815 389478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a long time I thought the name was insektsnyckel < 1304457815 941084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304457818 888037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(insect key) < 1304457822 718094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304457855 92488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it ever in Jeopardy game show that two or all three players are out before the final round? < 1304457914 817331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would you get eliminated? < 1304457952 468153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh... nm, I don't know how jeopardy works anyway < 1304457954 422898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being racest < 1304457965 72555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the second round is finish, everyone with zero or negative score is out and cannot play the final round. < 1304457981 213265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so do swedes frequently have sexkantsex, i wonder < 1304458014 739836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually no player is out, sometimes one player is out, I have never seen two or three players out. < 1304458036 91379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *raceist < 1304458048 457774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no racest < 1304458050 969211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raciest < 1304458051 405687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *raciest < 1304458078 494891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racriariest < 1304458081 647331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *raciest < 1304458081 834853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry, *raciest < 1304458082 483696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304458083 867905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304458086 791407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :different person < 1304458096 354248 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1304458100 64776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1304458110 831763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner and i are not different personas of the same group mind at _all_ < 1304458146 559202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? we can't be the *same* persona < 1304458149 397682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just absurd < 1304458168 889104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the group mind is insane, of course < 1304458210 771750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically speaking, since it certainly does not exist. that's absurd. < 1304458211 541972 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :insanity: the only sane choice for a group mind < 1304458238 202798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the most sane anyway? < 1304458269 29312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well only sane implies most sane, that's logic < 1304458296 785454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be? You have to learn both, but that doesn't make insanity a sane choice, it doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sanity a insane choice, I think? < 1304458335 45688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it cannot make sense if it's insane, duh < 1304458348 373842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is why it is the case. < 1304458373 206681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but insanity can easily think it's sane < 1304458398 552185 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think the opposite is also possible in some cases. < 1304458407 757168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In that case, it makes you delusioned instead, then. Being delusioned (usually) does not make it true. < 1304458417 457583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delugded < 1304458421 555761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it never makes it true. < 1304458434 547022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in rare cases it is true anyways, it just doesn't make it true. < 1304458451 472107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :contradicting the group mind _might_ get you deluged. see: Noah. < 1304458488 36999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's promised not to do that again.) < 1304458496 38160 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deluged with what? < 1304458500 119466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :water. < 1304458504 778626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew. < 1304458523 658820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time is going to be with acidic fire! < 1304458548 965889 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes in his shopping list. < 1304458554 896996 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which color of dragon confers acid resistance? < 1304458573 422807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: see latest iwc annotation < 1304458574 5044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green? < 1304458583 273322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't let you buy any dragon. The reason for that is: we don't sell that. < 1304458588 992453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the one which can make acid < 1304458605 239218 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can't get acid resistance by eating dragons. < 1304458726 584011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... my thue compiler has a single two-line comment, it describes the simplest line in the program and 15 times as long as that line < 1304458746 221895 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304458748 497124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the line is s/\?/Q/g) < 1304458796 739335 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can buy dragons. just don't expect a good deal http://www.airshipentertainment.com/mythcomic.php?date=20101002 < 1304458853 498570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you buy the dragon, can I buy you? I promise if that happen I *must* allow dragon buying me. < 1304458864 340278 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304458892 197283 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304458958 456102 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, you can't get acid resistance by eating dragons. <-- hm there ought to be some spell that makes it work, like tribal cannibals supposedly believed it does... < 1304458981 128188 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get acid resistance by eating dragons. NetHack is incorrect. < 1304458985 286241 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304458987 108025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any tribal cannibals spellbooks? < 1304459009 485200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is from absorbed folklore, not games < 1304459016 430730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wordpress plugin doesn't highlight sed properly either :( < 1304459025 226988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Then fix it, please. < 1304459037 284911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i ate a folklorist) < 1304459056 959664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any absorbed folklorist spellbooks? < 1304459074 20733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled for "geshi sed highlighting" and found my own complaint about geshi not doing sed highlighting < 1304459170 530390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, no < 1304459171 38394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304459183 796780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet pygments does sed... < 1304459211 34841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turn off syntax highlighting in vim usually because it does things wrong, CWEB syntax highlighting is a bit wrong, and for many systems, in some files, can be wrong that syntax highlighting system will work it badly in some cases, such as, with TeX you can change category codes and in Forth you can also do various things with the input file < 1304459269 711228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, a proper syntax highlighting program should work good with C and C++ and so on. < 1304459285 967264 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1304459291 962095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "... and it highlights even Brainf*ck!" sounds promising :) < 1304459329 917261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sed is not in the list of languages on the home page < 1304459344 75493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck highlighting is also simple possible. But some programming languages that it doesn't work. < 1304459366 341897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I like the only person in the world that occasionally writes stuff in sed? < 1304459393 592256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No. I do too sometimes (when working on Linux, that is). And so do other people, too. < 1304459439 336070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, with Forth, it should be able to do make it when reading the words from the input file, also do prettyprinting (and indexing and so on) simultaneously with that, now it is formatting correctly. But it cannot be formatted without executing! < 1304459549 195505 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And TeX acts like that too. METAFONT however, is simply syntax without any of these things that makes it mixed up in strange circumstances. < 1304459795 389865 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304459969 313791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you notice I added a section in my user page in esolang wiki? < 1304459995 141741 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\ < 1304460004 90804 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\\ < 1304460012 110626 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\\\/ < 1304460015 80003 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\/ < 1304460018 179234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: i made you a shorter quine < 1304460018 709527 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304460022 308420 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool < 1304460034 495175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: awesome < 1304460048 546855 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\//\\\///// < 1304460063 225965 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u no work < 1304460066 855765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is the part of the group mind devoted to shortening quines < 1304460069 635108 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/9/* < 1304460070 285655 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304460070 875298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460072 153067 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460079 74626 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish! < 1304460080 244141 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :><> < 1304460138 559952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to use <> as the internal quoting. although here i used [] temporarily because it was easier not to confuse strings that way < 1304460172 334975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, could a quine get any simpler? < 1304460175 667221 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it two characters so you can put escapes in the middle and then copy it so it turns itno itself? < 1304460184 875047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining a /// quine as a non-empty program with at least one / or \ that outputs itself < 1304460226 651581 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/*/\ < 1304460227 331618 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304460232 611268 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\ < 1304460240 90683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats an infloop < 1304460243 659964 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304460248 615537 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304460253 739647 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh xD < 1304460272 757642 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/*//*/\\\\/\ < 1304460297 735176 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tha'ts an accidentally self-modifying infloop < 1304460299 822505 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard :( < 1304460319 203949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : y u no work <-- it loops, you cannot substitute directly with something which contains the original string < 1304460359 189440 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to turn /asdf/jkl;/qwer into \/asdf\/jkl;\/qwer ? < 1304460386 477832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know if it could get _much_ simpler, although there might be a couple characters to shave off < 1304460423 604968 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: not if you mean replacing all / without looking at the context < 1304460433 223728 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304460438 58576 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I gtg < 1304460501 208463 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a couple i wanted to check, in fact < 1304460532 105019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460533 505268 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460573 402138 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460574 891529 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460586 443111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a \ missing in the output < 1304460612 167757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: funny guy, but that's why i did the second one < 1304460617 977108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304460627 936447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was with the output of the previous one < 1304460715 404265 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304460751 606297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it two characters so you can put escapes in the middle and then copy it so it turns itno itself? <-- yep precisely, as you noticed you cannot substitute single chars without wiping them out from the program < 1304460853 916934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that got two chars shorter by removing an unnecessary escape. < 1304460907 295770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1304460955 594045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460957 28330 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460968 157344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460969 576939 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460972 626001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two more < 1304461049 850319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304461051 519804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304461065 911533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that boy sleeps too much. < 1304461109 124527 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mwant to stay up forevre :( < 1304461117 309951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1304461131 142963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.. < 1304461134 692558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1304461136 403046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.... < 1304461137 982232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No..... < 1304461184 368561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please explain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHReqKRvonE < 1304461301 218334 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just go to bed but I really want to stay up and work < 1304461310 787071 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have notes to take < 1304461466 843564 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304461532 348623 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no more quotes or escapes to shave off < 1304461551 436624 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah! < 1304461554 746979 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed that quine < 1304461563 805513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's qui amazi ne < 1304461569 114849 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLL < 1304461590 3006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304461591 653203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really about the same structure as the /\ only one, afair < 1304461607 901490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just much clearer, obviously < 1304461633 59672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304461648 608573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25 oerjan> it's really about the same structure as the /\ only one, afair < 1304461648 796280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25 oerjan> just much clearer, obviously < 1304461753 109562 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention almost the same as a main loop) < 1304461922 480529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solmnbvcseruil < 1304462232 181382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, embedding the RTS in the compiler was dead easy < 1304462241 106704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304462250 85801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur funy olsner < 1304462306 471105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was surprisingly easy to output constant strings :P < 1304462758 12268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mgjfjfjfjfjfjfjffjfjghfjewialzmxncbvghtyrujdm\ < 1304462764 51876 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1304463022 430813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þa < 1304463308 128483 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1304463309 353730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did(n't) you stop beating your wife? < 1304464274 31014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:38 anyway, attack/defend/fool are the scissors/rock/paper of BF Joust, I think < 1304464274 258698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:50 although writing good defence programs is /hard/ < 1304464274 258923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:58 at least, as far as I could tell < 1304464274 259028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:29:04 and a good attack can normally break through them < 1304464319 635086 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just read logs when nobody is chatting? < 1304464354 693339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you do with program that combine two or three of these features? < 1304464367 71832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: I read logs independently of that :P < 1304464377 201015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun and informative! < 1304464461 438615 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one do you read? < 1304464493 224613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: random, of course < 1304464501 646558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been half-considering reading every log in order, though :P < 1304464527 68316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read whatever log I am currently interested in, which depends on circumstances. < 1304464944 581734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24:18 which means that you can have aleph-one cooling power, but only aleph-zero noise < 1304465145 427000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, wrote about all my recent developments on Thue in mod_rewrite but forgot to write that it can now run hello world < 1304465152 273595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304465160 902924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't even mention the 10% bug < 1304465176 774241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 10% bug? < 1304465232 264993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: smilies have infected your code < 1304465240 140732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the interpreter almost printed hello world, but each character was wrong by ~10% - as in the ascii number of each output character was about 10% less than the expected one < 1304465258 855171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i still think that's the greatest bug of all time :) < 1304465264 473923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: A king without a subject would be an anomaly. < 1304465270 542768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304465304 750587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, people who privately pretend to be kings are anomalies? < 1304465314 239821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, define "king" < 1304465318 638880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'm being weird not < 1304465319 809646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1304465360 906031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying you were ever not weird < 1304465409 341507 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna say a king is a guy who ended up at the top of a feudal heirarchy. < 1304465422 20460 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I just did. < 1304465654 951037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait who are you < 1304465771 909864 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo ucan't say that < 1304465847 393232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls the TSA to perform a thorough immigration search on MDude  < 1304465881 700893 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304465917 473033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall seeing MDude speak before < 1304465938 961551 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't say anything earlier. < 1304465960 894789 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Freenode is telling me this nickname is registered, so maybe some other MDude was here before? < 1304466026 450607 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304466050 275592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a risk < 1304466069 653932 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304466086 833248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe MDude is the true inventor of Esme < 1304466090 22956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just throwing theories around here < 1304466096 771901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered 3 weeks ago, are you sure you weren't the one doing it? < 1304466111 830942 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1304466133 568359 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registerd on the wiki, is there some automatic connection between the databases here? < 1304466138 442835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=EsoInterpreters&curid=2229&diff=22237&oldid=21408 is this appropriate? < 1304466141 7919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not < 1304466146 807262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it is < 1304466152 856861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoInterpreters seems primarily about the interpreter loops to me < 1304466154 422764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1304466159 169568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: oh did you edit the wiki? maybe that's what i recall < 1304466160 435573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a language can't implement the other languages there < 1304466160 925533 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone grabed up the name when they saw me on the wiki for whatever reason. < 1304466162 859378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be on the page < 1304466167 876156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'll always have a blank row or whatever < 1304466170 208327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1304466175 954958 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I edited the Mechanique page. < 1304466250 618282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. that's appropriate, should have been done ages ago < 1304466257 937679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you /sure/? < 1304466266 67018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It seems weird to have a language on there that cannot implement any of the others. < 1304466275 646454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like the rows should be identical to the columns. < 1304466292 435134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe "usable for programming" should be a requirement < 1304466314 368588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should have another table for unusable ones < 1304466319 212650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say TC, but Befunge-9three is on there < 1304466330 402116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except several of those there already have no i/o < 1304466338 460739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304466342 100663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of a mess of a page... < 1304466347 270854 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304466429 183184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for one thing, it may encourage people to make more deadfish interpreters ;D < 1304466445 721783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're going to have to start inventing languages just to make more Deadfish interpreters < 1304466485 878488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, there's no implementation in C++ templates < 1304466488 387563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rectify that < 1304466495 587055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1304466501 707335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, they can use native integers < 1304466515 207720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so deadfish can't interpret anything but some stuff can interpret deadfish? < 1304466527 694259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: deadfish can't do shit :P < 1304466535 344053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything that can breathe can interpret Deadfish. < 1304466541 703340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds useless < 1304466545 825535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1304466550 312392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands: i for increment, d for decrement, s for square, o for output. < 1304466554 821901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just one number those all apply to < 1304466559 582319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the number's less than zero, it's set to zero < 1304466567 410923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's exactly two hundred and fifty six, it's set to zero < 1304466572 161242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not if it's /over/ that) < 1304466578 519870 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you compute with that?? < 1304466579 461324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((subtle point of the spec a lot of people miss)) < 1304466582 959394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Nothing X-D < 1304466588 479518 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thats dumb < 1304466595 68839 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a terrible wast eof a language < 1304466595 256398 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but it's fun because it gives other nearly but not completely useless esolangs something they can actually do < 1304466605 213402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: You just don't appreciate the power :P < 1304466615 337119 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :thre is no power! < 1304466637 554937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ALL the power. < 1304466652 669023 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is underrepresented though, I need more X'es in that row if I want to run it in my favourite thue environment < 1304466664 593204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wat? < 1304466668 766684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304466696 80546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well there's http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Thutu and also one in slashes < 1304466716 18971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just want to give a big thanks to all contributers and to all those who have worked on Deadfish in any way possible. I didn't think Deadfish would make it even this far! Great job! I must move on now to bigger projects though... Use the esolang wiki as your up-to-date resource on Deadfish since it's doing a better job then my archive and plus it's better this way! :-) - JTS < 1304466746 816276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only two languages (claims that page) that have been implemented in thue, but I guess the page probably isn't fully updated either :) < 1304466753 284585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cracks knuckles < 1304466755 754772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to write some C++ templates. < 1304466759 904456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: basically we don't know how much of deadfish is truly intentional and how much is bugs in the original interpreter, but the game as i play it is to implement it as closely as reasonable, warts and all < 1304466775 243395 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: deadfish interpreter in templates? < 1304466777 202744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Technically it should be limited to, say, thirty-two bits :P < 1304466778 331724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yep. < 1304466782 722473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Since the C implementation is. < 1304466790 512066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the Python implementation isn't... < 1304466795 15640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, IMPLEMENTATION LIMITATIONS < 1304466797 410884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well C doesn't _specify_ < 1304466806 700173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True, but it can't be a bignum. < 1304466815 169526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the python implementation doesn't allow multiple commands per line either < 1304466815 799549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretty sure you can do arbitrary-precision stuff in templates regardless of the sizes of int and stuff < 1304466826 338788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is TC, after all < 1304466837 903730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can, but I'm going to use native integers for elegance and simplicity < 1304466855 249512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your scheme implementation handles eof, that's clearly not allowed ;D < 1304466864 495256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it handles it buggily, I think :) < 1304466867 911387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least overflow < 1304466875 236711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fixing it would make it more ugly, so meh < 1304466884 723879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i checked it today and it actually halts... < 1304466911 154026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone say two for me < 1304466911 452444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :th < 1304466912 460835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1304466917 950786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1304466921 844006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: two < 1304466929 570098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: >:( < 1304466934 319182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is so helpful < 1304466947 128809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go to sleep while I'm my helpfullest < 1304466982 681516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304466985 822200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ints be templated? < 1304466990 55068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just structs and functions, right? < 1304466992 64410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus classes and shit < 1304467016 242236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304467023 869021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to use peano numbers olsner < 1304467030 880215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it'd compute the value at runtime maybe?? < 1304467074 747139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've been thinking that if the esointerpreters page grows much more it needs to be split somewhat. perhaps even turned into a graph although that makes it hard to edit. < 1304467161 79421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++-4.5 -Os -Wall -Wextra -std=gnu++0x deadfish.c++ -o deadfish < 1304467161 267198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:9:44: error: ‘::value’ has not been declared < 1304467161 267367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++: In instantiation of ‘const int I::Result<0>::value’: < 1304467161 267474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:14:37: instantiated from here < 1304467161 267577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:9:46: error: dependent-name ‘R:: Result’ is parsed as a non-type, but instantiation yields a type < 1304467162 260115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:9:46: note: say ‘typename R:: Result’ if a type is meant < 1304467164 701638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, C++ < 1304467166 799412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such a bore < 1304467205 65768 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally don't understand the errer < 1304467207 405269 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one obvious stopgap is to separate out the self-interpreters, they take a lot of room for little data < 1304467208 375717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : static const int value = typename R::template Result::value; < 1304467212 555245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with that christ gog < 1304467409 828205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopy crap it works < 1304467443 267306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe i'll do it another way < 1304467574 293851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Seq < 1304467576 103556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it beautiful < 1304467586 23025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i can even lowercase them < 1304467587 953172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be perfect < 1304467595 781602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output might be ... kind of hard < 1304467763 566964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be so awesome < 1304467940 522173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304467944 246488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth should I do output... < 1304467950 731454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deadfish interpreter in thue could not help failing some times due to thue's broken I/O < 1304467997 596963 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be simplest to assume input contains only dios and newline < 1304468174 441317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes C++ programs compile correctly the first time < 1304468176 351634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they don't. < 1304468181 501006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:12:1: error: ‘struct std::basic_string’ is not a valid type for a template constant parameter < 1304468183 413726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE GO TO HELL < 1304468217 607569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok i guess i have to try an array < 1304468301 412765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know, if this idea fails, I'm going to have to encode output in one gigantic unary number :D < 1304468323 799280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1304468347 61267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN YOU FAIL < 1304468352 875829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304468353 215834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1304468383 473383 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i managed to do decimal output in both unlambda and itflabtijtslwi, despite using unary internally < 1304468388 322914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i mean < 1304468392 505390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to encode it INTERNALLY as unary < 1304468397 691943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and convert that into actual printing in the runtime code < 1304468400 582098 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1304468406 521376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on then :) < 1304468413 650608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:21:37: error: declaration of ‘const char o::Result::out [outlen]’ < 1304468413 838332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:18:32: error: shadows template parm ‘const char* out’ < 1304468414 51770 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh "Could someone sexplain how to derive this equation" it's the definition you duck < 1304468415 521382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO GIVES A SHIT < 1304468426 569549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:13:1: error: template parameter ‘out’ of type ‘const char*’ is not allowed in an integral constant expression because it is not of integral or enumeration type < 1304468427 399769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE < 1304468438 448482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE ALL INTEGERS MATHEMATICALLY < 1304468474 735673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, licking vanilla sauce off aluminium foil turns out not to be entirely safe for lips < 1304468478 486451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304468495 924578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:14:1: error: template parameter ‘out’ of type ‘const char*’ is not allowed in an integral constant expression because it is not of integral or enumeration type < 1304468497 983534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEE < 1304468499 345405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEE < 1304468501 123168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1304468503 198139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1304468516 951578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cut myself :´( < 1304468517 139151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1304468530 71012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plz this is not an appropriate topic for public discussion < 1304468533 250433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go see a therapist < 1304468536 50544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-harm is serious business < 1304468546 929426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was unintentional < 1304468562 89195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop hiding behind excuses for cutting yourself, oerjan < 1304468572 726802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm far too much of a chicken to do cut myself intentionally < 1304468579 896741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-do < 1304468592 150181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, maybe I can have a variadic number of output integers... < 1304468597 424489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, that's the only reason? :P < 1304468678 732947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mind boggles himself < 1304468684 577955 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE NOT < 1304468716 154571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all aboard the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster < 1304468761 390377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dearly hopes oerjan does not respond with "ooh that looks interesting" :P < 1304468844 283273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's where the "insurance against unintentional survival of passengers" i saw before here came from < 1304468852 395829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted that :P < 1304468876 508810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reach the end, "Whoops, you've survived, but you're going to be permanently disfigured and without three senses for the rest of your life" < 1304468894 128896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i'm too much of a chicken for the euthanasia rollercoaster. mostly, even ordinary rollercoasters. < 1304468999 239993 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS DOESN'T COMFORT YOU?) < 1304469018 998979 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304469027 388059 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304469027 614568 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304469071 344955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:17:27: error: expected ‘>’ before ‘...’ token < 1304469071 532484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:19:39: error: expansion pattern ‘out’ contains no argument packs < 1304469071 733690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:19:50: error: a brace-enclosed initializer is not allowed here before ‘{’ token < 1304469071 921387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:27:27: error: expected ‘>’ before ‘...’ token < 1304469071 921564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:28:47: error: expansion pattern ‘out’ contains no argument packs < 1304469072 434205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:29:69: error: expansion pattern ‘Seq::Result::A:: output’ contains no argument packs < 1304469075 703254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdjfsojfsoidfhsi < 1304469087 432439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the FUCK is an argument pack < 1304469154 446317 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if anyone's interested, I posted a thing I wrote on the text boards: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/kareha.pl/1304270902/l50 < 1304469164 713956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: They still work? X-P < 1304469186 220973 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1304469194 615592 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304469200 482545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: hmm, doesn't that inherently conflict, the goto and the come from? < 1304469220 726140 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice text boards < 1304469225 180899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: oh THAT's where i saw your nick < 1304469244 485941 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, you just need to list the label you're coming from at the label you're going to. < 1304469248 777989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to bring http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/kareha.pl/1302671493/l50 up again < 1304469253 158101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OObsession of the man is one of the most unknown and frightful phenomena, which stops evolutionary development of the man and brings its to full spiritual (and often to physical) death. < 1304469257 377358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with only one O, oops < 1304469267 57139 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/kareha.pl/1300870768/l50 < 1304469270 396325 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is funny < 1304469384 654880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your job, as always, will be to make an esolang of it < 1304469399 271728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I'm still thinking about Var! < 1304469405 144769 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: according to the singularit < 1304469411 644074 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :will all esolangs be invented < 1304469439 485068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304469449 821635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assure you that i will invent all esolangs if given the time in the future < 1304469472 619441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I think I have to go back to my old model to make this work < 1304469475 88672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ok < 1304469556 102100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is kind of ugly :( < 1304469570 140443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be i>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < 1304469676 911624 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304469690 950062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1304469699 349058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1304469700 609487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304469722 297121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++: In instantiation of ‘End::Result<9>’: < 1304469722 557065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:22:1: instantiated from ‘s::Result<3>’ < 1304469722 744772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:20:1: instantiated from ‘i >::Result<2>’ < 1304469722 744970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:20:1: instantiated from ‘i > >::Result<1>’ < 1304469722 745078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:20:1: instantiated from ‘i > > >::Result<0>’ < 1304469723 354032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:35:34: instantiated from here < 1304469725 326848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:7:55: error: invalid in-class initialisation of static data member of non-integral type ‘const int [0]’ < 1304469894 932350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sucks < 1304469897 343866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1304469959 807253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :template const int End::Result::output[sizeof... out] = { out... }; < 1304469962 77949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no way this will work < 1304469986 514391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304469987 221719 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304469988 724463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just define my own lists < 1304469992 283469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1304469995 863572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think that is possible < 1304470010 42211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it count as a compile-time implementation if the actual decimal conversion is done at runtime < 1304470022 330898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll basically compile to a list of printed integers < 1304470112 272224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneaky < 1304470122 792589 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :僕のコンピュータ! < 1304470706 851684 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304470909 144472 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304471061 810842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:36:33: error: type/value mismatch at argument 2 in template parameter list for ‘template struct Cons’ < 1304471062 201410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:36:33: error: expected a type, got ‘o::Result::Next:: Output’ < 1304471669 577878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need a mathematician to answer a question < 1304471750 821127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : apparently danes call it a Swedish key <-- as i just probably got to the same reddit thread, i just remembered that norwegians use the word "svenskeknappen" for power button. and yes, that means the swedish button. < 1304471760 731408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304471796 519294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so anyway the question is < 1304471809 486672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put a human in a five by five by five metres room < 1304471821 305008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is fed and watered sufficiently to sustain himself for the rest of eir natural lifespan < 1304471826 174414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no toilet < 1304471831 754603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a light, just assume it's magic < 1304471857 691709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will e die of not being able to breathe because e is buried under a mound of eir own excrement, or some other cause, first? < 1304471863 291463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I require a mathematical answer, thanks < 1304471874 960481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you svenskeknappen is not the official term < 1304471921 275920 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there was some air source as well < 1304471929 225685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304471930 975893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's magical < 1304471936 937617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5^5 < 1304471938 135962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3125 < 1304471939 802965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all their needs are cared for, except for toiletry < 1304471970 871800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plausible that you might be unable to breathe properly because of the sheer stench before you're buried in it, I suppose < 1304471992 790604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would require knowing how much he shits per day, i assume. in volume. < 1304472015 274081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing how much he eats might allow a calculation of that < 1304472018 767535 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mass < 1304472028 887621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a good question < 1304472040 935928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me relay it back to my source :D < 1304472069 754281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 50^3 < 1304472070 924101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 125000 < 1304472083 712032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 125000 litres < 1304472096 521471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 125000 / 365.25 / 100 < 1304472097 742851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.4223134839151266 < 1304472131 807975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how many litres of poop per day william" ;; I'm so glad I haven't left this earth without saying this sentence. < 1304472147 346555 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's < 3 litres per day, it should be enough room in the room for a hundred years < 1304472178 243684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have to factor in, though, the size of the human < 1304472179 621025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1304472183 923345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it occurs to me that the shit will probably dry reasonably fast, so it should be possible to stack, and thus keep out of the way < 1304472186 573623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter if there's a full five cm available at the top < 1304472192 602644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304472203 701737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, i'd say feces compacts pretty well < 1304472216 250873 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think the volume of the human is only a small fraction of this < 1304472227 340871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the only way you'd plausibly die of it is if the stench made it impossible to breathe properly... < 1304472231 176646 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not worth worrying about < 1304472252 442356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"okay now let's say there's three people in the room" < 1304472256 976910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but i've not heard that shit stench is poisonous in small amounts is it... < 1304472272 215779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well probably not, and I doubt dried poo stinks that much, cf. adobe < 1304472280 133947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1304472292 563781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're passing out because of the smell it's probably dire < 1304472299 504398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad we're handling this professionally and rationally < 1304472308 792798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm one might seek data on how fast septic tanks usually fill up < 1304472340 310190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but most people manage to stay in a toilet long enough to get things done. < 1304472360 858588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even an outhouse toilet, which stinks considerably more < 1304472370 397222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304472378 86711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently we're going by it taking about ten years for a septic tank to fill up < 1304472382 466589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm assuming urine isn't a factor here < 1304472385 656051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'd pretty much seep into the floor < 1304472392 425677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or evaporate < 1304472428 452115 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know once it's dry, you can even burn it, it's done in africa... < 1304472440 421360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not without a tool... < 1304472449 690918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is meant to be like the most hideous complex method of execution so why would you provide that < 1304472461 879320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1304472514 884770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think my "keep them alive indefinitely with advanced technology while whapping them with a feather repeatedly until they die" method is the best, though < 1304472537 113161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, feed them, waste disposal, etc., but also prevent them getting like heart disease and shit < 1304472590 238041 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is engineer stuff, not math ;D < 1304472638 123849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: psht, you had to do SEVERAL pieces of arithmetic < 1304472653 83114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really i wanted to be able to check this off of list of things to do < 1304472661 764203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1304472661 951964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask phd in mathematics about execution by shit < 1304472669 591232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :life goal fulfilled right there < 1304472920 609396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yes it works < 1304472929 48662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it outputs in reverse < 1304472951 207223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1304473017 840799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to implement <0 and ==twofivesix < 1304473293 206915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works :D < 1304473308 705361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ObbQ < 1304473314 305081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: give me one good reason not to rewrite it for peano numbers < 1304473628 128131 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky that < 1304473643 576672 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. Linux's implementation of ECN has been broken... For 3 years. < 1304473726 639234 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's straight-up not checked for ECN on IPv6 links. < 1304473770 226044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I have seen a great number of poorly Photoshopped images in my time as a photographer and I can tell by the pixels that it is a fake,” said Kenna Lindsay, a New York-based photographer who works with composite images. < 1304473773 997583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--CNN < 1304473813 262596 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, please tell me you're fucking with us. < 1304473824 720733 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she was < 1304473847 529565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope < 1304473850 928585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/ < 1304473856 158262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is that male < 1304473860 904130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news < 1304473863 599264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Osama bin Laden dead, schoolteacher finally shaves beard after 10 years" --actual headline < 1304473869 617214 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Support for same-sex marriage in the US is now, according to multiple recent polls, the *majority* position. < 1304473876 416386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTUAL HEADLINE < 1304473893 305369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well he _did_ shave it because of ObL dying < 1304473898 294497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shut up :D < 1304473902 374400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're RUINING it < 1304473914 163381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to start the "Thing, Irrelevant Other Thing" Headline Service < 1304473928 822268 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The schoolteacher decided that he wouldn't shave until bin Laden was caught. < 1304473940 200374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1304473940 715665 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit surprising he kept it up. < 1304473956 439778 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that anyone not around the teacher cared. < 1304474002 455785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just call that being Jewish ;D < 1304474026 983742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally harald fairhear, the king who united norway, made a similar decision about not cutting his hair until he'd achieved it < 1304474065 670112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i untied norway < 1304474081 583769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol at "whoops, people are forgetting about Norway, better mention some minutiae" :D < 1304474085 178401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO NOW WE'LL SLIDE INTO THE OCEAN < 1304474106 6730 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits elliott with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1304474113 785744 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll unite YOUR Norway. < 1304474158 102881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some people who unfortunately _won't_ forget about norway. like the chinese. < 1304474171 244868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still angry about that nobel prize. < 1304474177 620919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll Nobel _your_ prize. < 1304474182 719919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN < 1304474214 537268 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Eh, give them something deserving of anger. < 1304474227 465647 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NORWEGIAN EMPIRE SHALL REIGN SUPREME < 1304474243 104793 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SHALL CONQUER ALL WITH AWESOMENESS AND LUTEFISK < 1304474249 639452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :template struct Dec; < 1304474249 854169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :template <> struct Dec { typedef Zero Result; }; < 1304474250 42914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :template struct Dec> { typedef N Result; }; < 1304474251 174636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure hope that works < 1304474266 833856 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the lutefisk is, of course, for those that are unswayed by awesome) < 1304474277 771802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Haskell but really verbose :D < 1304474285 851383 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish, lutefisk is a subset of awesome < 1304474317 398235 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, caustic food is definitely awe-inspiring. < 1304474348 493797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't harm you, you're caustic already < 1304474378 962809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only parts of me. < 1304474573 277677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1304474575 226060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrap will be amazing < 1304474579 396172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality... < 1304474586 926052 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Zoophilia is legal in 19 states of the US. I'm not kidding. < 1304474606 733005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoophilia is legal everywhere < 1304474614 253254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean bestiality < 1304474619 831727 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, yes. < 1304474622 351815 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304474629 660912 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zoophilia is merely the desire, of course. < 1304474671 897832 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am in one of those states. < 1304474672 958799 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. < 1304474696 475498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what this means < 1304474713 864362 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Kansas had a law against it that they... Repealed? < 1304474731 883472 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The legislature actually went and said "Yeah, we should be able to fuck sheep.", I suppose. < 1304474797 306416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1304474800 234992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is broken < 1304474811 389928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INS(foo, Add) < 1304474817 348215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quiz: why does this break when INS is a two-argument template? < 1304474818 846244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304474821 564332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quiz: why does this break when INS is a two-argument cpp macro? < 1304474920 546214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GUESS < 1304474923 125636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cpp doesn't understand that the second , is nested? < 1304474941 641742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1304474953 23002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cpp is designed for C :) < 1304474954 962890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works with (), ofc < 1304474972 268999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume you can add some () < 1304474996 309577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope, that would break the template code < 1304474998 679210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just made it varargs instead :D < 1304474999 828934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:50:27: error: type/value mismatch at argument 1 in template parameter list for ‘template struct Succ’ < 1304475000 16768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:50:27: error: expected a type, got ‘Add, N>::Next:: Value’ < 1304475000 16967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:61:1: error: need ‘typename’ before ‘Add >::Value’ because ‘Add >’ is a dependent scope < 1304475000 17074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:62:1: error: need ‘typename’ before ‘Dec::Value’ because ‘Dec’ is a dependent scope < 1304475002 228935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:63:1: error: need ‘typename’ before ‘Add::Value’ because ‘Add’ is a dependent scope < 1304475005 352317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:82:63: error: type/value mismatch at argument 1 in template parameter list for ‘template struct Wrap’ < 1304475008 479116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:82:63: error: expected a type, got ‘Seq::Result::A:: Value’ < 1304475010 51740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, I'm doing what you think I'm doing < 1304475534 45728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:82:63: error: type/value mismatch at argument 1 in template parameter list for ‘template struct Wrap’ < 1304475534 442578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:82:63: error: expected a type, got ‘Seq::Result::A:: Value’ < 1304475535 614996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304475602 336586 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh jeeze. < 1304475640 873482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: deadfish in C++ templates :) < 1304475663 401214 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so very nice having your own computer to work with again. < 1304475945 896827 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ohmyfuckingGod I had forgotten how nice GreyMist is. < 1304476001 112795 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304476036 939634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X-D < 1304476042 442171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGO INFLATION IN PROGRESS < 1304476176 856915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ego inflation, when your head explodes < 1304476226 302549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best deadfish implementation ever < 1304476233 13750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:83:102: error: dependent-name ‘Wrap::Value>::Value’ is parsed as a non-type, but instantiation yields a type < 1304476244 241325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles < 1304476249 131069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./deadfish < 1304476249 318969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS0 < 1304476249 319155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS0 < 1304476249 319264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS0 < 1304476252 271129 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It won't be toned down, it will be toned up." — David Firth, on the feature-length film he is currently making. < 1304476281 947080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304476286 657392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one isn't 16777216 < 1304476287 407391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1304476290 896864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stubbed out squaring < 1304476295 886444 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am definitely intriguéd. < 1304476352 151679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to do multiplication < 1304476441 724407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++: In instantiation of ‘i::Result > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Nil> >’: < 1304476661 724871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:42:42: error: declaration of ‘struct Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < 1304476662 332422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Succ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Succ >’ < 1304476678 363435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq and oerjan < 1304476711 906995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think your implementation succs < 1304476725 381223 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Select a differential equation of reasonable challenge and, using technology, present the solution in the form of a Powerpoint slide or a poster. You will need to have background information on the equation and its application and mathematicians associated with the solution." < 1304476729 498843 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due tomorrow. < 1304476735 58914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why is this broken... < 1304476737 332128 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROCRASTINATION IS POWER! < 1304476744 215816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe I'll implement binary instead :D < 1304476810 272061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring is a bit awkward i think. at least that's one reason why i didn't try it in itflabtijtslwi < 1304476821 641193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, in binary? < 1304476827 412879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using self-multiplication < 1304476830 410164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is easy :P < 1304476830 670597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well decimal probaly < 1304476835 650002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bly < 1304476853 659577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have pretty good idea how to do i and d < 1304476887 95185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have the power of C++ here. < 1304476890 421825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : typedef typename Seq::template Result::Value, typename A::Output> B; < 1304476926 941619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw it's back to being comma-separated < 1304476931 941394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz i rule < 1304476937 420814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304477152 52116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-potter-idUSTRE74171420110502 < 1304477154 371965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eerie links between Harry Potter, bin Laden < 1304477166 639453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While distributor Warner Bros has never pushed the comparison, the entire Potter saga -- both the books and the movies -- have an inevitable subtext, colored by the events of 9/11. < 1304477166 827200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the first volume in J.K. Rowling's seven-book series was originally published in England in 1997, the first movie, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone," was released in November 2001, just months after 9/11. < 1304477168 291857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious < 1304477304 688946 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always found it a little eerie that "two towers" was released that year < 1304477348 225322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the year after < 1304477409 93169 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304477441 439831 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304477441 755519 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304477441 943048 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304477454 37072 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304477599 293658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's eerie by a really loose definition of eerie :P < 1304477612 292845 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1304477618 52052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i definitely should have googled the date first there ;D < 1304477635 820224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i do recall it feeling eerie at the time < 1304477639 560079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one thing has two tower-ish things, and this thing that happened has two other tower-ish things that actually look totally different, and the movie version of that first thing came out a few months after the one arbitrary Earth year anniversary of the historical event :D < 1304477647 529992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y < 1304477649 359523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll shut up now :) < 1304477746 880528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1304477747 580603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL < 1304477748 10585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1304477996 720231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is alas dead < 1304478066 534854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do i release this version or the version that actually works well < 1304478074 382184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is more :science: < 1304478074 570796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304478077 623516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1304478125 269890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal output *grumble grumble* < 1304478173 767803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the unary one doesn't do that :D < 1304478175 245063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what are you saying < 1304478197 857376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304478264 486681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1304478269 427751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates < 1304478272 255757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oerjan: FINALLY < 1304478602 300660 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO I DESIRE SLEEP < 1304478613 225815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS 21:09! < 1304478660 437234 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304478664 142761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably an ancient misfeature that evolved as an essential component of vertebrate brains < 1304478684 440606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY < 1304478687 14333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBSERVE MY IMPLEMENTATION < 1304478689 89466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WORKED HARD ON THAT SHIT < 1304478695 958171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT EVEN HANDLES THE WRAPPING PROPERLY < 1304478769 922245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1304479137 101050 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304480339 113190 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304480367 418029 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304480586 826566 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304480593 286353 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304480819 355069 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304480850 854561 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304481352 688681 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man I've been overthinking this assignment. < 1304481363 37530 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just do a short presentation on the Lorentz attractor. < 1304481365 32436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been overassigning the thinkment < 1304481366 616632 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Lorenz. < 1304481374 646484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq did you like my deadfish implementation < 1304481385 995080 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not sufficiently conscious to comment. < 1304481396 994043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont worry its best read without consciousness < 1304481398 503848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rotten and stinks < 1304481399 524085 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presently, my intent is to get a plan of attack for the morning, and then sleep. < 1304481402 860651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :'( < 1304481416 182337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (yes i got the pun but i am still HURT) < 1304481424 611897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan why are you making it bright outside again........ < 1304481486 966564 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO INCREASE YOUR TORMENT < 1304481502 575247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna go ride on the euthanasia coaster → < 1304481520 514190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S BEEN SABOTAGED FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE < 1304481537 439833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna get on the first flight to finland and beat oerjan up < 1304481545 707448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do that. < 1304481549 690747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304481553 615219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill get oklopol to join me < 1304481672 54520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan ur meant to point out that you dont live in finland < 1304481674 323112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304481676 569938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you DO < 1304481752 943576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly live in finland, and it would be an excellent place to go to beat me up. < 1304481838 171245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304481900 625204 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304481957 575571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan < 1304481959 863349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i er < 1304481962 777596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i not sleeping < 1304481974 22435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I PUT THE SUN THERE < 1304481991 224382 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWA*HA*HA*HA* < 1304482006 503252 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1304482045 468110 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304482130 870698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1304482131 521117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1304482132 450482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOODNIGHT < 1304482133 863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JESUS < 1304482133 531060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT < 1304482190 675439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nighty night < 1304482393 408290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304482709 822026 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304484117 504942 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304484142 726369 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304484142 985930 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304484143 173434 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304484312 998750 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup monitor -a -f is definitely a killer feature. < 1304484958 797564 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1304485009 549860 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just make an edit and *bam*, the program's built again! < 1304485413 827657 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304485638 390144 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304485698 622336 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304486018 382861 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krrbexlvybhrlyva JOIN :#esoteric < 1304487350 148631 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304487484 857808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304487629 365885 :jack!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304487635 269058 :jack!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 PART :#esoteric < 1304488839 509876 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304488966 959174 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this isn't quite what I'd imagined. I'll ask anyway. I was looking up brainfuck, came across braincopter and discovered that every link I could find for both the new and old interpreters is down. Anyone know where I could find either? < 1304489017 275765 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of BF interpreters out there < 1304489042 745719 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1304489044 747345 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braincopter man < 1304489046 282401 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304489051 911563 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304489068 200187 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I noticed the abundance of those hahaha < 1304489125 465199 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, apparently the old source was lost to the internets and someone for the esoteric wiki made another interpreter, and the link on the wiki is down < 1304489157 942498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's only half a year since User:Peping edited < 1304489276 552112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops a note on his talk page < 1304489360 963146 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, glad I brought it up then. ^_^ < 1304489395 61733 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if he actually _reads_ the wiki, mind you < 1304489411 718702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aesculapius, tried waybackmachine? < 1304489426 289019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :chances aren't great, but better than not trying < 1304489426 889298 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, but that's a good idea < 1304489519 451754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, the old one is there < 1304489556 228648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on waybackmachine? awesome < 1304489569 96915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just wait for the horribly slow loading time < 1304489578 545750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn only the directory < 1304489583 245872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304489611 215563 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the hello.png, it seems < 1304489784 837675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was depressing, wayback's crawling was really bad :( < 1304489828 47637 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao. gonna have to make sure this gets mirrored somehow < 1304489832 211126 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if found < 1304489832 863894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they never had the resources to get everything < 1304489888 199241 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1304490027 277503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, this isn't quite what I'd imagined. <-- what did you imagine btw :D < 1304490072 362883 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is usually a silent time for the channel, if that's what you meant < 1304490138 98894 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no I thought it was gonna be dead because there isn't an admin or anything < 1304490146 446678 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleasantly surprised haha < 1304490211 764063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here on channel? < 1304490221 331620 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1304490222 123509 NAMES :#esoteric < 1304490264 526900 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few. we just don't show it off usually, keeps things calmer. < 1304490285 254475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1304490285 276029 NAMES :#esoteric < 1304490289 974290 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay I wasn't thinking. I'm just used to any active IRC channel having an admin with a pile of underlings =p < 1304490300 283090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304490325 211195 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the freenode network it is more or less a global policy not to have that, i think < 1304490361 668139 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, having it visible supposedly raises the mythical channel temperature. < 1304490374 508032 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I donno. Makes sense to me < 1304490382 311210 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't keep channel operator privileges. Displaying these privileges on your nick with a "+o" attracts participants who are interested in gaining them and using them actively; it also attracts the attention of participants who react negatively to authority. Have your nick added to the channel access list and op yourself only when needed." < 1304490403 504639 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "react negatively to authority" bit. < 1304490435 402252 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I kinda think that is true from what I've seen. I have seen channels where people loose their head over that stuff, and of course ones where they don't < 1304490573 687618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, (most of) the guidelines make sense. I just think they've gotten a bit carried away when philosophizering that stuff. < 1304490577 157583 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Think of a person's emotional state as kinetic energy. Enthusiasm, happiness, anger, frustration, all add to the energy level. The more emotion is experienced, the "hotter" the participant. The average emotional state of a channel is its temperature. Emotions in IRC become exaggerated and conveying them directly increases channel temperature. Pent-up frustration, in particular, is often released as a series of inappropriate, "high energy" outbursts." < 1304490583 275436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUM < 1304490667 339713 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was going to be some pseudoscience quack for a moment < 1304490681 118686 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: YES AND THEY RUN FREENODE < 1304490695 129957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, we're not supposed to use all caps either. scratch that. < 1304490764 511860 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your all-caps sentence probably raised the temperature almost 0.2 microelliotts. < 1304490765 551524 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1304490777 920437 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I guess its really a big deal here then < 1304490779 499766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :microelliotts? we are all going to die! < 1304490799 68387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aesculapius: um we don't actually care about all caps on this channel < 1304490856 473271 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono. I just mean rules for you admins and the like. If they are a big deal, I imagine that the rules are counterproductive to what they are trying to obtain with them in the first place < 1304490880 590452 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I sent an email to the webmaster of the place that first hosted the braincopter code just in case < 1304490920 298538 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old code looked like it was on a university site, the account has probably expired years ago < 1304490948 795058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dropbox probably expires stuff as well < 1304490987 718315 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the uni page is there and it hosts other stuff. I just have no idea if that page or the email that belongs to it has been updated and or looked at for years < 1304491024 408780 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.uni-one.nl/m1/ < 1304491052 936189 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zip file was hosted at that page < 1304491055 595820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it is < 1304491084 463411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rings a bell, i may have tried to chase that dead link before < 1304491133 199288 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"27 May 2007: This site has undergone some changes. The directory structure has changed. QuickCG has received an improvement. Some links of the site may not work, some code examples may not compile anymore due to non-backwards compatible changes to QuickCG. Some articles got removed. Sorry for the inconvenience." < 1304491181 224985 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be it there < 1304491264 599186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now that CG tutorial seems to be the only thing on the page < 1304491326 883026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i assume it was vandevenne you mailed, and not a central university webmaster < 1304491356 570995 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was whatever email link is on that page, which likely is not a university webmaster < 1304491362 149589 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, probably < 1304491428 504679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his last wiki edit seems to be from October 2007 < 1304491570 361557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which mind was _after_ that site reorganization < 1304491576 380837 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mind you < 1304491594 859772 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304491622 741243 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep yep. Later that year, and nothing for nearly 4 years now, so has been inactive for quite some time. < 1304491656 934090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1304491669 102846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1304491670 742683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lodev.org/ < 1304491726 945612 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha well then. < 1304491741 806330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sign of braincopter, but some others are there < 1304491801 291302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the same gmail address, so maybe you'll get a reply < 1304491914 928058 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, I'll give the first email a day before trying the gmail on the recent site. Not giving that much time for a response would be rude of me, unless y'all wanna give it a go. < 1304492011 479535 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that seems silly, but if he does still get his uni email forwarded or something, spamming him probably wouldn't get a favorable response =p < 1304492034 511578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aesculapius: the emails were identical, i think < 1304492063 448481 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m1@uni-one.nl - email adress from the site < 1304492069 728037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304492145 180629 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may have been his email if it was on the wiki. so who knows? < 1304492182 329077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was looking at http://www.student.kuleuven.be/~m0216922/CG/ which i now realize actually is a redirect to lodev.org < 1304492248 782388 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot find that m1@uni-one.nl address < 1304492279 9661 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on the site that I linked a lil bit up. the one that had the zip file hosted < 1304492337 475760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304492363 2436 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fixunix.com/os2/551166-vacpp-3-08-problem-large-source-file.html from this discussion < 1304492400 919123 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so you didn't reach it from the wiki < 1304492434 823503 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a response from that site, and apparently it was not what I thought it was < 1304492451 525046 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo yeah, time to email Mr Lode < 1304492517 286152 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page is freezing my browser :( < 1304492523 898411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1304492740 589803 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually are there any other projects missing now of his on the esoteric language front? Cause if so one of you experienced people may want to send the mail knowing what you are talking about. < 1304492766 500697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainloller's links are also dead < 1304492784 665980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't check everything else < 1304492816 455410 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1304492881 507685 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I cant believe I've found myself going down this rabbit hole just from wanting to teach myself ada < 1304493043 513726 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night < 1304493054 112472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZZZZZZAP < 1304494064 994983 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mailed the guy < 1304494086 984133 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell y'all if I get anything =) < 1304494137 15538 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :till then, sleepytime and homework. Thanks for the help! < 1304494140 88817 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1304496630 645521 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACE6F1.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304496719 910068 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEC1B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304497301 140506 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304501388 760467 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304501416 738214 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304501428 107305 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304501428 294887 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304502724 483931 :Slush-!~Slush-@s83-177-28-44.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304505964 853366 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-112-222.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304506073 604395 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-112-222.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304507111 223975 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so from the ubuntu-MOTU list, which is the ubuntu release package maintainers list, i.e. the people who decide what goes in and what doesn't: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2011-April/007064.html < 1304508654 115778 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304510412 811734 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304510653 124762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304511255 632275 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304511340 406265 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304511365 872728 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this new ubuntu upgrade is horrible < 1304511414 271635 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304511419 78251 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/2(1+2)=0.999999999999999999... < 1304511433 556893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it 1? < 1304511433 807289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1304511438 941316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, these programmers. < 1304511447 946331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No understanding of mathematics whatsoever. < 1304511576 744574 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/2(10-2*5)=...9999.9999999... < 1304511668 249480 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304511733 193464 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304511756 180864 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it called when the system quits and you get a black screen with white text on it then it goes back to the login ? < 1304512180 480515 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats are the hams < 1304512239 149094 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1304512276 275804 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi dude < 1304512288 828369 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1304512766 272828 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the ms < 1304512786 132345 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that "right wing radio" daffy duck thing was pretty funny < 1304512808 369270 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuwNU0jsk0 < 1304513140 378556 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304513289 327202 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304513921 122958 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304514239 881954 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304514240 115466 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304514240 303093 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304514257 534989 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304514284 120827 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304514344 917771 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304514345 364501 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304514345 551952 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304514430 387833 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304514431 706352 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1304514573 278195 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304514876 699092 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304515093 967783 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304515197 758246 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304516042 490470 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304516210 95614 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304516265 370574 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304516267 440293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304517320 169416 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I got an email from Google Incorporation! You would think that Google would be a big and professional enough company to know that that's not a correct use of the word "incorporation", but even so! Why look, I've won 500,000! All I have to do is give them my address, phone number, bank account info and SSN (which is odd because this is Google UK, but I guess they knew I'm a US citizen) and they'll transfer funds! < 1304517322 569479 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1304517893 205261 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are so lucky < 1304517967 478543 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's short and backwards for coporate information < 1304518102 372629 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google founders Larry Page and Sergey Rank invented the famous Page-Rank algorithm to decide which pages are most important < 1304518118 40534 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304518207 414698 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNHR6IQJGZs < 1304518458 440344 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that data ordering that ensures that each iteration changes only one bit, but the entire range is still covered? < 1304518568 740772 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gray code! < 1304518839 517341 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing random keywords into Google until it finally gives you the result you want: Pretty awesome? :P < 1304519068 877684 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you want the CAPTCHA? < 1304519080 775454 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1304519110 632404 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Google gives you a CAPTCHA when you query Google a lot < 1304519116 754803 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the short amount of time < 1304519126 601633 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My queries were not quite that fast :P < 1304519136 860147 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1304519150 139361 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, 't found me Gray codes! < 1304519372 540135 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how when I learn a new thing, then it appears on every forum and IRC that I go to < 1304519380 116826 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nobody EVER asked this stuff before I knew abou tit < 1304519400 329138 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre being so selectively blind < 1304519413 776518 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same happens with words in speech < 1304519433 95217 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody ever said "paradigm" before I knew the word (e.g.) < 1304520437 767733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abou Tit, the lesser-known relative of Abou Ben Adhem. < 1304521651 365969 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304521651 693074 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304521651 880993 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304521861 471097 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304522229 288971 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304522229 476661 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304522229 476824 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304522420 169683 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304523342 908963 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1304523346 267485 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Client Quit < 1304523620 753803 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304523763 441485 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304524173 650883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK what is this language called Vorpal. < 1304524852 285700 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-112-222.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304524858 256324 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304524964 376120 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304525097 54844 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304527138 179045 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304528098 611537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304528240 872665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:02:46: Well, this isn't quite what I'd imagined. I'll ask anyway. I was looking up brainfuck, came across braincopter and discovered that every link I could find for both the new and old interpreters is down. Anyone know where I could find either? < 1304528247 865776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, this isn't quite what I'd imagined" :D < 1304528282 829396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:22:18: Oh no I thought it was gonna be dead because there isn't an admin or anything < 1304528294 111589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well freenode policy... he says to a person that obviously won't be logreading < 1304528340 753484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:32:44: oerjan: Your all-caps sentence probably raised the temperature almost 0.2 microelliotts. < 1304528340 941185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:32:59: microelliotts? we are all going to die! < 1304528342 284935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304528366 593029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:35:48: and dropbox probably expires stuff as well < 1304528366 780657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of, oerjan < 1304528372 161654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant for file synchronisation primarily... < 1304528568 383049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:29:32: I don't understand how when I learn a new thing, then it appears on every forum and IRC that I go to < 1304528568 610774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:29:40: like nobody EVER asked this stuff before I knew abou tit < 1304528568 610879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:00: bizarre being so selectively blind < 1304528568 610924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:13: the same happens with words in speech < 1304528568 610969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:33: nobody ever said "paradigm" before I knew the word (e.g.) < 1304528572 44732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: well-known cognitive bias < 1304528585 274854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually referred to as the Baader-Meinhof effect informally < 1304528609 440359 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do Iget rid of it :D < 1304528632 350631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: You can't :P < 1304528645 597588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly the worst bias out there though :P < 1304528647 687869 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.damninteresting.com/wp-content/baadermeinhof.jpg < 1304528664 583219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damninteresting is like the cracked of long-form articles, CAN'T STOP READING < 1304528957 392063 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't figure out how to use satz 90, everyone gives this stupid contrived example < 1304529549 932052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304529550 730717 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304529739 296549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I HAVE THE MANGO CHUTNEY - now what? < 1304529755 194397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: defuze the bom < 1304529985 386163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm going to like put it on some piece of food and eat it with it < 1304530354 240531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304530401 940959 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Put it on Boston cream pie. < 1304530470 319572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boston cream pie? sounds related to a cleveland steamer < 1304530487 373040 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304530490 152325 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain explodes* < 1304530526 672231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_cream_pie < 1304530663 124709 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boston%20cream%20pie has a few alternative meanings < 1304530743 672188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote boston cream pie? sounds related to a cleveland steamer < 1304530746 969397 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :389) boston cream pie? sounds related to a cleveland steamer < 1304530769 387145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1304530770 29917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1304530770 217488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1304530770 976798 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :362) I use LiGNUXFCE+apps That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw. < 1304530771 164487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1304530771 414869 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :91) Actually, he still looks like he'd rather eat her than have sex with her. < 1304530772 29070 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :176) Never ever use a quote which contains both the words "aloofness" and "gel" (verb). < 1304530772 990456 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :224) [...] I'm just widening the shaft to be 4x2 or so. < 1304530903 463052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"widening the shaft" didn't have an urban dictionary entry, must mean something benign then < 1304530923 282216 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's so obvious that it doesn't need one :P < 1304531668 308362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304531759 1210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it this late already? < 1304531808 496584 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :late?? < 1304531840 862030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304531898 627484 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304532117 563656 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304532172 170802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304532560 607228 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304533746 769105 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304533766 628004 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1304533770 130494 :ais523__!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 NICK :ais523_ < 1304533801 952561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: shedding your underscores? < 1304533820 41218 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to get my laptop to connect to the wireless < 1304533830 355225 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as usual, ais523_ is me on a desktop computer that happens to be nearby, via web access < 1304533847 476930 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, as ais523_ is the correct nick, when the desktop got disconnected and reconnected as ais523__ I had to ghost to the correct nick < 1304534023 490947 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 15 < 1304534040 937935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose 9 < 1304534611 121410 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304534621 542243 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not been here a lot.. but I'd like to ask.. < 1304534629 682877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody hide < 1304534670 806035 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it make your language project esoteric if it makes all current mainstream languages look esoteric? < 1304534674 657243 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: with a hostname like that, you'll fit right in; I seem to remember that hostnames like that are quite popular around here < 1304534677 513764 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1304534689 947406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, Finnish ostnames? < 1304534694 364388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1304534702 43345 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and I think I recognise the part before too < 1304534706 182932 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure where from < 1304534854 946611 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: it's very similar, but not identical, to Ilari's, and the part at the end is also the same as oklopol's < 1304534865 301578 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems to be someone new < 1304534882 381910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304534902 399698 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not new. in fact, I've been here couple times < 1304534907 592392 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's different by only two digits from Ilari's < 1304534917 578167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: i'm sorry but we're going to have to do science on your hostname < 1304534927 102952 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's just I thought I recognised the hostname, and I nearly did < 1304534934 967896 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's only two digits out, not surprising I thought I recognised it < 1304535049 941641 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. want to see what I've been doing lately? < 1304535066 226489 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.boxbase.org/coconut < 1304535104 115719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 the coconut script in this repository can do all the basic < 1304535104 988384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 commands for editing .cock files. < 1304535108 719565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rather unfortunate extension < 1304535118 184357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this just a structural editor? < 1304535165 128459 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now. but I'm about 4kiB away from a lisp interpreter running off the .cock < 1304535929 325244 :nddrylliog!~nddryllio@62-220-135-222.dhcp.fixme.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1304535934 788161 :nddrylliog!~nddryllio@62-220-135-222.dhcp.fixme.ch PART :#esoteric < 1304535981 995031 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quotes file! < 1304536036 89846 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304536080 530870 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm doing it now. and declare this a programming language < 1304536104 17705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnm_: wat < 1304536114 789497 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively I'd have better command-line editing model out there. but I can perhaps do better still. < 1304536157 342851 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304536178 441230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog sure spent a long time here < 1304536412 981740 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone other ever ended up to doubly linked lists in python? < 1304536442 186522 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever doubly linked as much as to be like? < 1304536444 358591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point I would stop using Python :P < 1304536448 539192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doubly < 1304536451 35356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubly linked lists are laame < 1304536596 585669 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up to doing double-link structure in python because I had to deal with handling of multiple items as if it was single. < 1304536636 673728 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels so lame since python has builtin list.. < 1304536660 858364 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it doesn't have ways to catenate list in middle of another. < 1304536713 954173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not catenation... < 1304536736 233722 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait.. DAMN it has! < 1304536738 601422 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1304536744 852014 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hidden < 1304536751 232338 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = [1,2,3] < 1304536755 309582 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b = [1,2,3] < 1304536762 992970 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a[1:1] = b < 1304536808 647251 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I have to open a python manual and look on this a bit. < 1304536836 364960 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a method for that. < 1304536869 296997 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, just for a single-element insertion. < 1304536878 478407 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For splicing in a list you need to use that syntax. < 1304536904 458782 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's the name for it. < 1304536906 220379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird. < 1304536913 28179 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, s.insert(i, x) is specified as s[i:i] = [x]. < 1304536927 294575 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit lollish < 1304536960 164612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how official name "splicing" is, but "splice" is the Perl function for generic list-manipulation like that. < 1304537018 355275 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that helps me so that my whole editing model simplifies a lot < 1304537054 430461 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :removes all that double-link crud. ^^ < 1304537093 2970 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304537175 637062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: why not write your program in C++ templates instead, it's the best accidentally Turing-complete language ever < 1304537224 201627 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I don't like corporate esoterism feeling it gives < 1304537236 946099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporate esoterism??? < 1304537237 270947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEESH < 1304537238 391954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates < 1304537240 385958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at dat. < 1304537242 981198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally authentic. < 1304537257 253597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :run all your enterprise deadfish programs in the C++ compiler. < 1304537271 365940 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, read that as "totally autistic" < 1304537275 919680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1304537299 641029 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: M4 > C++ templates < 1304537300 234376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code is not nearly as horrible as I'd have imagined it < 1304537306 354286 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure if its TCness is deliberate < 1304537315 836016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: go on then, where's your Deadfish in m4? < 1304537329 633913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the C++ version in, like, forty minutes! < 1304537339 474253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(took ages to get an output scheme that worked) < 1304537348 23479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah it's kind of disturbing how non-hideous it is :D < 1304537353 158934 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not right now, thanks, I'm busy with other things < 1304537358 879660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: psht < 1304537365 967633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it does the decimal conversion at runtime, though, but /eh/ < 1304537370 867186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i might be able to fix that < 1304537379 147895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a list of chars be the result < 1304537383 610759 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131F76.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304537407 145012 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Deadfish]] is turning into Rosetta Code, I fear < 1304537419 353315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you FEAR? < 1304537425 331284 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosetta Code is frustrating < 1304537425 633500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome :D < 1304537432 497632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but [[Deadfish]] isn't < 1304537434 712543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's frustrawesome < 1304537443 792521 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just do not understand problem specifications at all and they post rubbish < 1304537451 940781 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Deadfish started out as a subset of HQ9+, as in all it would do would be to print out hello world and give an iou depending on how many times the command 9 was entered to how many 99 bottles of beer programs it owed the programmer." < 1304537459 638565 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a great language too < 1304537865 948305 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language where the code is a single number < 1304537875 865695 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a fibonacci number it prints "yes" and if it's not it prints "no" < 1304537898 923313 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is a single number in most languages. < 1304537905 472516 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just don't usually look at it that way. < 1304537919 622155 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the output should be n where the program is fib(n) < 1304537931 868837 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it gives an error < 1304537943 470082 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow reminds me of http://esolangs.org/wiki/ShaFuck :P < 1304537944 170667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304537996 146535 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so evil < 1304538023 487336 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sequence of SHA-1 sums is interpreted as Brainfuck code, loool < 1304538033 420898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304538037 455370 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1304538039 742190 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if < 1304538042 570729 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder which programs are expressible < 1304538045 207516 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :template <> struct Foo<0> {...} works < 1304538047 990968 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably all of them, im guessing < 1304538073 90728 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304538131 535861 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304538221 602245 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:48:25: error: partial specialisation ‘ToDecimal’ does not specialise any template arguments < 1304538222 696132 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuk u :( < 1304538242 554597 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1304538274 621471 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1304538275 111082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might generate enough hashes to find one equiavlent to something +++ < 1304538277 22891 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i fixed it < 1304538277 642325 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1304538282 631337 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :even tohugh it does it in a really long way? < 1304538296 928955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default template is written differently than specializations, though I can never remember exactly how < 1304538299 998628 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you might find roughly like +++++[[[>>> and have to find one like ]]] < 1304538302 669301 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like a jigsay < 1304538303 682892 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :way < 1304538318 837282 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure all programs are possible in ShaFuck. < 1304538321 337315 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304538323 586957 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get enough peices you could just program normally < 1304538327 996882 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need a few building blocks, yeah < 1304538332 735198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been steadily forgetting how to write templates since the high point a bunch of years back when I wrote a lisp in them < 1304538333 752522 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thing is... if comments aren't allowed < 1304538335 869389 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't have those blocks < 1304538352 515768 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so bad about no comments? < 1304538376 8248 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means almost all hashes are invali? < 1304538377 537921 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1304538388 808103 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304538392 961082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ughn < 1304538403 636851 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's no way to program in this without a super computer < 1304538460 667703 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o m g i think it works?? < 1304538475 632399 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1304538477 402064 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1304538652 409017 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./deadfish < 1304538652 596727 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16777216 < 1304538652 596924 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1304538656 266503 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :converted to decimal at compile-time < 1304538662 208061 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i just need append < 1304538674 307064 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so beautiful ;_; < 1304538753 586457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does it do arbitrary-precision yet? < 1304538805 990128 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./deadfish < 1304538806 177768 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1304538806 177941 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304538806 178052 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16777216 < 1304538807 92733 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works... < 1304538811 255484 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes and no < 1304538814 905783 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I made a Peano arithmetic version < 1304538816 572531 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was so. slow. < 1304538828 165474 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I might translate this to binary, but I'd need division for the decimal output ;_; < 1304538833 558129 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses native C++ ints as-is < 1304538912 630939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, what's wrong with slow as long as it's correct? < 1304538960 949772 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by slow, I actually mean that the C++ compiler gave up on you if you tried to generate a number big enough < 1304538971 402311 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully log_two(n) is a lot smaller than n so binary should work >:) < 1304538980 429866 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: here's the current version that does its own decimal conversion: http://sprunge.us/jPjM < 1304538986 90272 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DecimalLoop being the relevant part < 1304538986 800830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a flag to control the recursion depth iirc < 1304538996 327053 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the number produced is 16777216 < 1304539005 957609 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the recursion depth required would fit in an int that the option parser probably uses :P < 1304539059 964247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe you could just do decimal arithmetic everywhere? < 1304539080 672886 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: possibly, but that would be pretty ugly -- I need multiplication for the s instruction < 1304539090 938974 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the definition would be ew < 1304539092 684648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, multiplication, how hard can it be? < 1304539100 727582 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it'd just be long and boring :) < 1304539104 17591 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304539106 476447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1304539107 829349 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304539111 197842 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use repeated addition like I do now < 1304539114 469626 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but addition will be ugly anyway :) < 1304539143 951777 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is ugly; what's the harm < 1304539155 213682 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah but at least it's not repetitive :) < 1304539410 706047 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm... I still think binary division would be easier :) < 1304539421 266071 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, perhaps :) < 1304539434 28960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need modulo < 1304539444 81621 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1304539449 494804 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe decimal arithmetic will be easier < 1304539466 878588 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1304539471 607263 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use repeated addition for multiplication < 1304539479 961887 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'll run out of recursion space before even reaching the int limit < 1304539627 520064 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could make one recursion compute a bunch of stuff < 1304539633 2711 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ito's all there if you need it < 1304539652 843545 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nearly impossible, the language is like Haskell without any standard types really < 1304539656 677556 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has int but i couldn't use it here :) < 1304539664 452522 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's not lazy, so like ML I guess < 1304539669 602082 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the only control flow is recursion < 1304539673 572562 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only haskell builtin type I use is int :/ < 1304539674 304362 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some basic pattern matching < 1304539675 787859 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really basic) < 1304539685 499365 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: yep, giving you the benefits of fast multiplication :) < 1304539689 777658 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't recurse < 1304539690 774708 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he he < 1304539695 936230 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :That#'s exactly wha tyoul're trying ot make < 1304539696 569509 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1304539705 940903 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I don't need a super fancy multiplication algorithm < 1304539713 380647 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there could be a C++ compiler that uses GMP for templates < 1304539714 176918 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "add repeatedly" won't work when one of the arguments is like one million < 1304539716 865268 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: X-D < 1304539717 574131 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304539728 164916 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a good multiplication algorithm < 1304539732 983386 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :1010101 x 110 < 1304539739 412992 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304539743 992579 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to do it but it starts like that < 1304539748 747220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can pattern match quite freely on types though, it's just when you involve data that you have lots of weird limitations < 1304539783 103941 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick represent data as types < 1304539788 318129 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you've already done that < 1304539791 402957 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case keep it up < 1304539840 446707 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote here's a good multiplication algorithm 1010101 x 110 well I don't know how to do it but it starts like that < 1304539842 10112 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :390) here's a good multiplication algorithm 1010101 x 110 well I don't know how to do it but it starts like that < 1304539846 911718 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm doing that for everything but ints :P < 1304539862 642513 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 110 x 101011 ! < 1304539862 830898 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1100 10101 ! < 1304539862 831063 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11000 1010 < 1304539862 831167 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 110000 101 ! < 1304539862 831270 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1100000 10 < 1304539865 75887 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :11000000 1 ! < 1304539876 984481 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :add up all the banged numbers in the left column < 1304539892 427329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : add up all the banged numbers in the left column < 1304539892 988399 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304539952 559591 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's kind of a stupid algorithm < 1304539963 593311 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you turn your head sideways it's the same as the normal one < 1304540043 391809 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304540060 395315 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :><--------|) < 1304540076 571468 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :entering a black hole < 1304540581 493096 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1304540607 21953 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: write me a decimals addition plz < 1304540617 122943 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want decimals?? use binary < 1304540636 741852 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste of good symbols < 1304540644 25910 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: so i don't have to write a decimal conversion routine... < 1304540648 488282 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would involve division and modulo < 1304540652 349021 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :use decimals the whole time!! < 1304540654 314178 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1304540654 867994 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary < 1304540660 285033 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't have toncvert < 1304540666 446834 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: deadfish outputs in decimal < 1304540687 295365 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invent de0df1sh < 1304540692 78487 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same as deadfish except binary < 1304540714 394300 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304540738 732580 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh i don't really want to write a decent multiplication algo < 1304540749 553874 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill do it < 1304540753 282235 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?? < 1304540766 269581 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304540767 689216 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ < 1304540768 139425 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304540769 470232 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have addition it should be easiy < 1304540777 978055 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _naive_ algorithm is easy < 1304540785 412308 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the algorithm I gave above < 1304540796 327269 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just carry a partial sum along < 1304540799 695036 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :double one number, half the other < 1304540807 442187 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you realise how horrific C++ templates are :D < 1304540808 30680 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :add to the partial sum when the hhalfing number ends with a 1 < 1304540822 396814 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubling and halving sounds painful unless I use binary... and then I need full division /anyway/ defeating the point < 1304540823 787067 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give me your addition code ill try < 1304540829 117467 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304540833 734874 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm works in any base < 1304540839 341780 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be multiplying by 10 instaed of halfing < 1304540851 942105 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304540853 742296 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304540857 562328 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't work in an ybase < 1304540865 738431 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thougph about it before < 1304540866 464914 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304540872 958722 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :becaus the odd/even thing is pretty clear < 1304540880 878675 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see < 1304540929 94111 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah if you use base then theen you need to be able to multiply a number by a digit (01,2,3,4,56,7,89,) < 1304540932 285285 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks < 1304540943 797781 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could implement it in decimal if you have doubling and halfing though < 1304540957 482241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's trivial... carry the one, do some stuff, add, etc < 1304540965 144938 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yah but i'm lazy < 1304540972 346986 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday was C++ template day < 1304540987 879247 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just implement doubling and halving (with remainder) then the rest is simple < 1304541012 677228 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubling is just adding < 1304541020 965912 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfing dunno how to do that < 1304541048 134111 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304541049 291170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if doubling is adding, halfing is obviously subtracting < 1304541061 903824 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304541063 136436 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1304541066 372717 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfing lol < 1304541067 981869 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a word < 1304541072 712397 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfing 12041205210 = 1204120521*5 < 1304541082 73642 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :chop off a digit then double it twice then add it < 1304541091 909674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doublings and halflings < 1304541098 429421 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1304541105 799727 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :12041205217 = 1204120521*5 + 3 < 1304541108 258969 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 = 7/2 < 1304541124 977732 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need a lookup table for halves of each digit < 1304541125 576795 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote 3 = 7/2 < 1304541126 497193 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :391) 3 = 7/2 < 1304541142 33496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 = 7/2 = pi < 1304541153 687430 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows pi is 22/7 < 1304541166 886660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 = 7/2 = 22/7 = pi < 1304541179 433544 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats better < 1304541188 534032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED :P < 1304541194 922259 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304541202 943290 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im an ultrapproximist < 1304541207 418917 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi is literally 22/7 < 1304541214 243164 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi can also be 3 if you want it to be < 1304541222 181153 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304541222 683459 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304541222 871093 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304541328 28156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that works even in normal math: pi is actually a probability distribution centered around 3-ish.. is pi 2? possible but not likely. is pi 3? yes! < 1304541338 355629 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304541346 452418 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pi 99? undoubtedly. < 1304541355 275529 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that before < 1304541356 53507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :undubitably < 1304541377 875153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :math? it's similar to the thing with numbers you were doing earlier but more advanced < 1304541389 977575 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304541619 769157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ templates are totally insane < 1304541639 418355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "gem install rack BlueCloth rubypants coderay mojombo-grit georgi-git_store georgi-kontrol georgi-shinmun" ... I don't think I like ruby < 1304541655 57256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at those names, none of them make any sense < 1304541670 111077 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304541680 490087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put the rack in the rubypants and bluecloth directly into the mojombo < 1304541683 992146 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git_store makes sense < 1304541690 66466 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(georgi is the github username I think) < 1304541712 437335 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojombo too < 1304541719 768820 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojombo makes sense? < 1304541725 155558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :git_store does, granted < 1304541725 470162 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the github username < 1304541729 900013 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so grit is the library name < 1304541756 555104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'd be something with git and ruby then < 1304541771 284505 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay ritual incendiary teleporter < 1304541773 477890 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grit < 1304541792 414703 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :grithub < 1304541860 65422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ritual incendiary" could be an actual thing < 1304541874 818600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's what you use to burn heathens and witches < 1304541891 978837 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need a teleporter for it, ofc < 1304541898 293063 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that teleporter were to be gay... well, all the better < 1304541913 128767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it the incendiary that was gay? < 1304541916 207739 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO < 1304541916 938416 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNOWS < 1304541946 850594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :scented wood for hiding the smell of burnt witches < 1304541958 976432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any other "gay" properties you can think of for an incendiary < 1304541993 551865 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being a racest olsner :/ < 1304542024 979933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304542077 774466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah, that was a bit unfair to the gay race < 1304542190 345775 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about elves? < 1304542203 744451 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or swedish people? < 1304542209 854170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :incendiary teleporters, I think < 1304542216 732407 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :af.. < 1304542255 787598 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeauu... huh. am I done with my lisp interpreter? < 1304542262 667264 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304542276 108134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not as good as zepto < 1304542278 598402 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bit simplistic still. < 1304542306 5685 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/383051 <- here's the thing < 1304542317 721422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304542324 36954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an interpreter without control flow :P < 1304542344 321992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in python < 1304542360 930461 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo want control flow? < 1304542365 489258 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's ridiculously short < 1304542371 639151 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have lambda? < 1304542376 778608 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet no. < 1304542379 657893 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have anything X-D < 1304542381 899742 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304542384 108193 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304542386 247651 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get lambda < 1304542388 334076 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best one < 1304542510 668300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Cheery doesn't seem to be a regular with a different nick. < 1304542517 926410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome, Cheery, to the legion on the dam! < 1304542538 133937 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are so weird. < 1304542546 517095 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it runs hello weirdos. < 1304542553 482202 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to lambda < 1304542565 130977 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you say it's the meat of lisp < 1304542586 50830 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :squishy lisp AHAHAAHA < 1304542589 268547 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1304542589 760620 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhhhhh < 1304542616 688681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not an interpreter without control flow :P < 1304542621 990075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish would like to disagree. < 1304542642 415931 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a /Lisp/ interpreter without control flow :P < 1304542648 705296 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen my C++ templates interpreter. < 1304542665 163423 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of Daedfish. < 1304542675 242865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304542680 902960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to forget it. < 1304542688 392102 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saves the page with the version that does decimal conversion at compile time < 1304542720 951842 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates < 1304542721 778912 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated. < 1304542735 377371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304542871 779550 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131F76.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1304543268 380661 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright.. now I've got lambda OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1304543280 681592 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304543287 319536 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1304543288 373290 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :392) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1304543435 877277 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it extended my cockfile with empty-tagged lists.. no I don't need extensions on that. < 1304543490 392371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap viagrafile < 1304543568 546297 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ookay.. I'll need to fix that thing before I get to serious line-based programming.. < 1304543595 523774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery, what is a cockfile. < 1304543612 442765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a file and a file love each other very much < 1304543614 347023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me it is your word for a .v file. < 1304543617 571158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is "line-based programming" < 1304543633 131111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait, as in RCS? < 1304543638 889095 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's short for 'coconut file' < 1304543651 148106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, as in a Coq vernacular file. < 1304543663 837566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be a coqfile < 1304543675 154886 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much how elliott_ describes it, it contains my lisp expressions I write with a line-based editor meant for cockfiles. < 1304543707 604777 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just going to keep assuming it's intentional :D < 1304543713 553459 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has slight potential to get mainstream so I get good enough names into use. < 1304543748 789425 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/383067 <- lambdas, though no arguments yet. < 1304543819 411631 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel it's fun already.. but I really need to fix that editor now. :) < 1304543884 348670 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I command it to do couple useful operations it instead mutilates my cock. < 1304543905 859032 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1304543926 512271 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote when I command it to do couple useful operations it instead mutilates my cock. < 1304543927 883871 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :393) when I command it to do couple useful operations it instead mutilates my cock. < 1304543981 580101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did TeXnicard stop working with include files? It worked before, now using @I causes a segmentation fault. < 1304543990 553565 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: that pretty much never happens with software I build < 1304543996 717913 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: eek that sucks < 1304544092 497380 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sengmentation fault seems to occur in RtlEnumerateGenericTableLikeADirectory although the stack frame is mixed up so we cannot really tell what is happening. < 1304544114 910465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "RtlEnumerateGenericTableLikeADirectory" an actual function name? < 1304544130 5302 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think it is a internal function of NT. < 1304544143 125037 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RtlEnumerateGenericTableLikeADirectory :D < 1304544144 984764 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like" < 1304544154 744481 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's probably going to stop sound fun after a while. I'm sort of sad about that. < 1304544189 450064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Rtl* is the naming convention they use for internal functions on some level... the kernel interfaces that can be implemented in user mode, I think < 1304544196 70763 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304544240 804098 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If MSDN does not have this information, ReactOS project might have. And if they don't, they should. < 1304544266 585448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: all Coq users don't seem to have gotten enough of Coq yet, so all hope is not lost < 1304544305 701182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, s/of// < 1304544318 140181 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: exactly < 1304544324 424283 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304544407 252647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheater8 (~cheater77@...) has joined" :) we know you're actually cheater77 now, cheater8 < 1304544473 799856 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how to check USB speed with Linux? < 1304544533 860306 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh shi- < 1304544545 900807 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, lshw < 1304544567 439206 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when you connect something do dmesg < 1304544609 975228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater8: I know of lshw but how can I filter that output to figure out USB speed, what regular expression should be used? How is the speed indicated there? < 1304544674 279111 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1304544684 208662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304544758 62742 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night getting to finish this implementation after sleep < 1304544826 316695 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304544877 344272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out one of the mistakes I made in TeXnicard that caused it to stop working. < 1304544892 701650 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"writing it"? < 1304544915 859661 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the misake? < 1304544939 811525 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to initialize a pointer to zero. < 1304545009 260394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, /r/TIL keeps having things I thought were common knowledge. < 1304545081 314803 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:59:26: 06:35:48: and dropbox probably expires stuff as well < 1304545084 683859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:59:26: not that I know of, oerjan < 1304545104 192647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then why has the new braincopter interpreter seemingly disappeared then? < 1304545127 743282 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; want to study this algorithm instead of sleeping < 1304545130 649951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL HUMANS HAVE FIVE FINGERS ON EACH HAND < 1304545133 859514 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "lsusb -t" lists human-readable speeds, at least for me. < 1304545137 445745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real question is whether the quality of the esolang wiki is decreased by this loss. < 1304545187 396551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, in this case it was blind spots, which I've known about since I was less than 10. < 1304545187 586230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we don't have _that_ many picture-based languages, do we? < 1304545189 575198 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :braincopter is one of the more interesting brainfuck derivatives, if only for its steganographic applications < 1304545214 362895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you *know* my attitude towards BF variants. < 1304545316 382094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cheery: with a hostname like that, you'll fit right in; I seem to remember that hostnames like that are quite popular around here < 1304545330 553524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i'm annoyed that glogbot doesn't show hostnames on join < 1304545332 986853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was his hostname/ < 1304545347 681406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, FIX THIS AT ONCE < 1304545348 877321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now it's that finnish thing < 1304545350 411876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN COMMANDS IT < 1304545361 953240 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi < 1304545387 497801 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in the raw logs. < 1304545408 176227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1304545646 636710 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Quotes file! < 1304545661 75603 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote right now. but I'm about 4kiB away from a lisp interpreter running off the .cock < 1304545662 596042 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :394) right now. but I'm about 4kiB away from a lisp interpreter running off the .cock < 1304545668 483086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am _assuming_ that's what you meant < 1304545731 138124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i'm sure it's a lovely bunch of .cocks < 1304545948 580432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304545951 509085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't i already add that quote < 1304545960 605720 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1304545964 666005 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 393 < 1304545966 217854 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :393) when I command it to do couple useful operations it instead mutilates my cock. < 1304545970 726310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 392 < 1304545972 128283 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :392) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1304545974 322362 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 391 < 1304545975 472797 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :391) 3 = 7/2 < 1304545978 686171 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 390 < 1304545979 871632 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :390) here's a good multiplication algorithm 1010101 x 110 well I don't know how to do it but it starts like that < 1304545984 311262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 389 < 1304545985 116937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1304545985 415325 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :389) boston cream pie? sounds related to a cleveland steamer < 1304545986 951824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just search < 1304545989 45586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote .cock < 1304545990 829990 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :57) ??? Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? Or are there monster dildos and cocks? Or are both the dildos and cocks monster? \ 299) The context is Gracenotes releasing an illegal copy of a film about monster cock dildos. \ 392) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got < 1304545992 544112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1304545993 964526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \.cock < 1304545995 126804 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :394) right now. but I'm about 4kiB away from a lisp interpreter running off the .cock < 1304545998 329924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1304546005 122827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's the common knowledge thing < 1304546014 331938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably your memory confused it with 393 < 1304546026 305390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, blind spots. < 1304546130 592043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8 That is all. < 1304546144 962248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or i intended to but never did < 1304546174 177131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to watch a video about cat urination < 1304546422 321936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has a motion-triggered hose. < 1304546428 278793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And video. < 1304546467 136829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304546474 324005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SLEEP TOO MUCH < 1304546487 334537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just get up early. < 1304546514 513774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM IN UR UTUBE UR IN ATING < 1304546517 670175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any sleep is too much sleep. < 1304546519 20787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: x-D < 1304546520 60058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304546520 629629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304546521 612037 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304546564 206582 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, oops, this beer was 8.2% < 1304546570 756028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304546586 701599 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why oops < 1304546603 713038 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get pissed on one tiny little beer mate < 1304546731 171961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, just very quickly reached that point where the inhibitory effects have mostly inhibited the inhibitors and failed to inhibit everything else sufficiently to compensate < 1304546744 960741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inhibititbyihtyibtyibtyity < 1304546759 593292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any sleep is too much sleep? And also, any wake up is too much wake up. < 1304546831 773381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :never sleep and you'll never wake up < 1304546853 111334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit < 1304546868 869652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, that, too. < 1304546892 568548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented deadfish in TeXnicard (because I can). You need to put in a file and load with @I command (loading on command-line will cause it to exit immediately). < 1304546948 223156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think my D&D character can pull all the ropes on the ship all at once? < 1304547011 827035 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of them < 1304547014 909699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whoever programmed the implementation of deadfish in C did a bad job, and that is why the other implementations follow the strange rule) < 1304547028 186408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Not all of them? Which ones, then? < 1304547037 717009 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :probaably only two at a time < 1304547099 330172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DM said probably they can pull all of them. I think they do have enough tentacles to pull all of them at once. < 1304547129 308058 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if it has tentacles then yes < 1304547180 166521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many ropes does a ship have? < 1304547339 489758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: And also eye. < 1304547362 277220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I do not think you can pull any rope by eye. You can try, though, if you want to.) < 1304547414 472630 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dangerous though < 1304547496 394946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is, that is why you don't do it. < 1304547499 747215 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hold more than one rope in a hand/tentacle/whatever. < 1304547548 200647 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater8: OK. How many ropes can you pull with two hands, then? < 1304547562 338938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cheater8 (~cheater77@...) has joined" :) we know you're actually cheater77 now, cheater8 < 1304547579 838426 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the diameter of each rope < 1304547580 78486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is the only survivor of a gruesome fairytale involving 77 brothers < 1304547607 424825 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally as many as you can get your hand around, but if you tie the ropes in some way then you can pull more. < 1304547614 564083 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can end up pulling all ropes at once. < 1304547631 852754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater8: Do you know anything about ropes in a ship? I don't know much about it. < 1304547637 381481 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1304547651 612075 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a sailor's patent < 1304547670 488960 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant like ropes for hoisting cargo etc < 1304547698 938130 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean ropes for the sails? < 1304547725 743818 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so then here's how it works < 1304547730 981934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I mean the ropes for the sails (and whatever other ropes are needed to operate the ship, if there are some) < 1304547759 809796 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not fairly experienced then you can only do one rope at a time and won't really be able to switch unless you specifically get told to switch to a specific rope < 1304547788 80569 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're that experienced then you can still only do one rope at a time but you can swiftly change between one and the other < 1304547821 926952 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're super experienced you can do one-two ropes at a time but only in select circumstances < 1304547865 691249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1304547930 345119 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what circumstances are those? < 1304547956 113425 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sail line can only be used from a specific position, at a specific angle < 1304547972 654163 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the positions where you need to be need to be the same for the two lines < 1304547988 32234 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to be able to see both sails at once < 1304548026 407915 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to be very strong, because normally you need two hands for one line < 1304548068 215369 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then perhaps the DM was getting mixed up. < 1304548170 116377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should tell the DM these reasons why my character probably *cannot* pull all the ropes at once. < 1304548359 170710 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe for other things, my character is capable to pull all the ropes at once. < 1304548413 223053 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1304548431 783379 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boat would need to be specially provisioned for one-man control tbh < 1304548444 518778 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally a boat is sailed by upwards of 3 people < 1304548581 442384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have not even reached the boat yet, in the current state of the game. Or even know if there is a boat. But it is known a destination is across the water, probably someone else's boat they will operate it and the player characters are the passengers, just need to go to there to find something. < 1304548598 948176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably it is not specially provisioned. < 1304549109 446607 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304549426 767953 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304549747 800568 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how would a boat be specially provisioned for that, if it did? < 1304550206 131755 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304551153 488563 :cheater8!~cheater77@ip-80-226-234-126.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304551881 395559 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304551977 577441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304552025 882034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent < 1304552225 345394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent < 1304552227 35538 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :395) i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent < 1304552240 894910 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304552268 552375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just a sucker for short quips < 1304552839 644599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bad data goes in, bad answers come out, never a miscommunication. You can explain that!" -Babbage O'Reilly < 1304552889 217815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can"? < 1304552903 527117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEME FAIL < 1304553071 752839 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pffft* < 1304553117 58242 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Intel's putting these into production: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Multigate_device < 1304553189 431924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: babbage o'reilly would never make the egregious mistake of claiming an obvious fact is unexplainable. hence, i had to modify the meme somewhat < 1304553240 615780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered making it "you can easily explain that" but that was too much < 1304553242 278163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. so he is more babbage than o'reilly... < 1304553308 889315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: news article? < 1304553352 477726 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/05/04/intel-reinvents-transistors-using-new-3-d-structure < 1304553362 367073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press release work? < 1304553885 63686 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304554129 984972 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /// < 1304554132 74751 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/// < 1304554135 539733 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/// a < 1304554136 882550 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1304554142 609890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304554155 925280 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304554164 528063 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is line noise valid slashes code? < 1304554200 366574 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304554219 32611 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many things can you do with a simple electronic circuit connecting to a USB port of a computer? < 1304554225 852777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether the perl interpreter has any bugs with it, is a different matter < 1304554231 861498 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That includes some lights and switches) < 1304554235 442085 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : !slashes kswgvjhy/jut/ j/x/uih /yr/ea//z/lsqir/m/b qv/uys/bf/e p/ye/tevr/b/bfthdtx/qsm////i < 1304554239 570723 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes kswgvjhy/jut/ j/x/uih /yr/ea//z/lsqir/m/b qv/uys/bf/e p/ye/tevr/b/bfthdtx/qsm////i < 1304554240 872238 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kswgvjhyxealsqiruysyee pthdtx < 1304554248 302947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304554277 192798 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes n ajuqkyqwe/o w// b/h//kbwrpe/pp dm d/ /wt/x//hfe/ao r/koj //// a///dwrv/ < 1304554278 587296 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :n ajuqkyqwe bkbwrpewtfe adwrv < 1304554282 17008 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes wdks ulbqth/x/bw eg/o d/f ssjm//s/// /z/u// ///s/c/st k ine/h//scpzm/k/rb/jg < 1304554283 317080 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wdks ulbqtho ds ctkineccpumjg < 1304554284 976867 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! < 1304554288 706339 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random. < 1304554317 773959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: actually your second example _did_ hit a bug in the perl, because it has a //.../ substitution < 1304554328 963076 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i've never fixed < 1304554342 922074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have inflooped after the ea < 1304554350 670932 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //a/ < 1304554368 729417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that doesn't really tell you much... < 1304554382 798462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304554402 697331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //a/ a < 1304554403 846612 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1304554416 695741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that doesn't really either < 1304554436 384368 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't //.../ just be illegal? < 1304554438 713477 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a no-op? < 1304554443 28230 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304554455 62148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is perl reuses the previous string if you use an empty target, for some value of previous < 1304554460 371996 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /edde/bcdfeg/ /bgb/a/ /ee/eeafg/ /cgdd/fdcg/ /adaab/defefb/ < 1304554464 261755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /dece/ae/ /fb/eca/ /gedded/cfebb/ /f/b/ /bfe/eg/ /cc/fb/ /bacfd/be/ /bcbf/fe/ /ba/eceaca/ /acaecd/ge/ /bafcfd/eeed/ /ge/gc/ /feeee/fa/ /b/bcafcc/ /caddcd/dba/ /c/a/ /gdec/cdba/ /cde/d/ /eggd/fbdef/ /dacdfe/gcegf/ < 1304554488 124221 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a wonderful no-op program < 1304554492 198871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: elliott keeps suggesting it should do input since he thinks the GG...GG of iftlabtijtslwi is ugly < 1304554505 937851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think // is ugly too < 1304554511 917188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the use of a letter and two characters that irks me < 1304554522 546436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like |x| would be nicest IMO < 1304554541 451318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get \|/ :) < 1304554545 344425 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes cebefegfecfaa /ac/dgea/ /aag/fde/ /ac/dbaeb/ /aedafc/ba/ /dd/fgf/ /abee/ggb/ /feada/fd/ /effacf/gaa/ /fcbd/dda/ /ead/ceddc/ < 1304554546 494703 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cebefegfecfaa < 1304554549 504047 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes ddgeaegbbc /accab/ded/ /de/cce/ /ac/gd/ /ae/bec/ /fgfdec/dbg/ < 1304554550 664090 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddgeaegbbc < 1304554561 913165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the nice thing about GG is you are unlikely to do it accidentally, so itflabtijtslwi is mostly backwards compatible < 1304554573 152064 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-cc1 -std=c++0x -include-pch /usr/local/google/home/scshunt/llvm-build/tools/clang/test/PCH/Output/cxx0x-delegating-ctors.cpp.tmp -fsyntax-only -verify /usr/local/google/home/scshunt/llvm/tools/clang/test/PCH/cxx0x-delegating-ctors.cpp < 1304554577 521848 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1304554581 625748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fuck that, /// is about elegance not "backwards compatibility" :) < 1304554583 452078 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes cbafcfgcb /dag/a/ /e/c/ /aec/df/ /a/cb/ /b/efb/ /dgd/ccca/ /ded/e/ /def/cab/ /ee/ba/ < 1304554584 740821 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :was not supposed to paste that < 1304554602 999259 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes fdgcgfffcc /bg/bdf/ /b/a/ /aa/d/ /b/gecbe/ /gd/dgd/ /dag/eedea/ /d/g/ /b/fgeg/ < 1304554612 758869 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like writing random Brainfuck programs to see what they do! < 1304554622 618464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the paste police will come and arrest you now < 1304554633 676666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you really want shit after the last /... < 1304554636 686978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not before < 1304554641 86199 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304554650 16189 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304554656 153601 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /dg/ea/ /fg/e/ /ebb/c/ /bf/ece/ /bad/gcbgc/ /ag/e/ /ea/c/ /bfa/g/ /ca/f/ /bg/ffa/ /aa/gaaae/ /cc/ef/ /cf/eac/ /cgc/adcec/ eddad < 1304554657 405434 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :eddad < 1304554667 473145 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /e/dfed/ /ccd/f/ /dba/eggee/ /b/faa/ /a/gfda/ /dbf/gdbf/ /f/g/ /fg/gb/ /e/ad/ /c/ab/ /def/fb/ /a/d/ /cc/df/ ecfag < 1304554683 198257 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /gh/ghh/ /hhg/gghgu/ /h/uuuh/ /hh/uhghg/ /uuu/ghug/ /u/uuugu/ /h/ggugh/ /uhg/hgg/ /gh/uhhhh/ /u/uuhgg/ /hu/h/ huguuhguhgu < 1304554688 24651 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304554696 232133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here understand brodal heaps? < 1304554772 615724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: those did infloop < 1304554782 514395 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To those who were in the channel last night, I wound up contacting Lode Vandevenne through the email on his site and he uploaded the braincopter stuff that was gone for quite some time. < 1304554787 13540 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304554795 642903 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /ghu/huu/ /hgh/guh/ /guu/uguhg/ /ghh/hhhg/ /uu/uhu/ /huu/g/ /ug/uhhu/ huuughguughuh < 1304554796 912993 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghuhhuhuhhuuhggh < 1304554804 171822 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lodev.org/esolangs/braincopter/braincopter.zip http://lodev.org/esolangs/braincopter/lk.png < 1304554839 909060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor Samsa, "waking up from anxious dreams", is transformed not into a cockroach but into an "adorable kitten" in The Meowmorphosis, the latest attempt to "remix" classic literature from US publisher Quirk Books." < 1304554850 608099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aesculapius: is lode the gammaplex dude? i don't remember < 1304554859 617358 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia - yes < 1304554868 816127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is, but gammaplex never disappeared < 1304554971 17436 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep just braincopter and brainloller. I inquired about brainloller as well but that is what he sent. < 1304555063 30367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes hiding the lolling secrets < 1304555084 37907 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. I emphasised copter and said y'all said the other was missing too < 1304555099 995475 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he either didn't have it or just looked for what I emphasized < 1304555115 164944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i did mention i didn't actually check carefully what else was missing, didn't i < 1304555122 855103 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304555127 504062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1304555145 30338 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a quick check and it looked like everything except those two was mirrored < 1304555152 311442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1304555198 528579 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, he was really cool about it. I'm quite appreciative. < 1304555264 333891 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess that's somewhere between disney making the ringer of notredame and making "holocaust, the musical" < 1304555280 890758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what on earth are you replying to < 1304555292 229953 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your meowmorphosis < 1304555294 620342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is someone has to make holocaust, the musical now < 1304555296 88701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh :D < 1304555329 421678 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone may already have, although probably not disney < 1304555433 697159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google certainly seems to think someone did < 1304555453 617963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many formats are there for printer fonts? < 1304555561 916501 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually the utility programs should be added in the "util" packages for TeXnicard, that can convert many of these formats into TFM/GF formats. Later on I might also add XFM (a format much like TFM) in case of more advanced features needed. < 1304555782 122290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if the best way would be to make a METAFONT format file that allows it to directly read the output of t1disasm) < 1304556164 633967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1304556168 335685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mouse is pinned to the left side of my screen < 1304556313 800792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: happens to me sometimes, i just restart (or maybe, i don't quite recall if it works, temporarily hibernate) < 1304556342 793340 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, updated the braincopter page. < 1304556344 122557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I'm just using the keyboard until its hopeless < 1304556351 777778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably an Xorg problem though because... because Xorg is terrible < 1304556366 476393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the driver thinks its getting a continuous stream of left movements or whatever < 1304556371 63915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i usually restart because it happens when the computer hasn't been in a while < 1304556417 831720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never restart usually, just restart X < 1304556421 271372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1304556428 783309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux support is utterly crap on this thing < 1304556486 486845 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304556585 518365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPRINGTIME < 1304556586 117225 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304556587 287868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR HITLER < 1304556589 357677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND GERMANY < 1304556607 646125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINTER < 1304556609 934961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR POLAND < 1304556612 614824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND FRAAAAAAAAAANCE < 1304556620 764856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel. i love this channel. < 1304556839 15384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott had won the vistory over himself. he loved #esoteric. < 1304556843 485356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*victory < 1304556857 703832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that book a bit too new for you to be reading grampa < 1304556869 253423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I HAVEN'T READ IT I JUST GOT THE MEMES OFF THIS INTER NETS < 1304556874 72871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muphry's law also appears to apply to too clever puns. < 1304556883 911806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vistory is a good word, we should make it a word. < 1304556887 411081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's my next esolang after Var. < 1304556888 695090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i did read it once, albeit in norwegian. < 1304556910 389169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile in Swedish bookstores < 1304556920 198866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjärne bork bork bork victory bork. He bork Bjärne. < 1304556926 337429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bjärne is the only name in Swedish) < 1304556951 622892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's short reading: Swedish War Heroes < 1304557015 670138 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny because bjärne isn't really a swedish name, but sounds like one < 1304557038 338843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like Bjorn isn't a Norwegian name? :D < 1304557070 295105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok to be pedantic, it _is_ a swedish name, but not a first one < 1304557101 293503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok to be pedantic i may be completely wrong < 1304557119 300952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bjorn is not norwegian. or maybe i should check that.) < 1304557179 276117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind the link to bjärne first name was fake, it should be an a < 1304557329 123233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frithiof_Bj%C3%A4rne although he wasn't born with that name so it is quite possible he made it up < 1304557372 484324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there other people with the same surname, afaict < 1304557494 905818 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304557509 767134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruling out bjorn may be too hard, it's too frequently spelled that way for convenience and by americans < 1304557635 746142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: In other news I seem to require a restart for comfort < 1304557684 242733 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to spell it þjôŕñ for convenience < 1304557856 896741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304558210 477297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm going to spell it þjôŕñ for convenience < 1304558244 877866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ is not a very similarly pronounced letter < 1304558254 352940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have the mother of all lisps < 1304558278 50486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not important to the joke however < 1304558290 309379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a cleft palate, i think < 1304558322 233843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos that frithiof guy i cant really click links < 1304558329 776008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i think using the thorn instead of the obvious "ḃ" enhances the joke < 1304558341 385049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some swedish actor < 1304558356 530879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the most famous person name bjärne afaict < 1304558357 473603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn swedes < 1304558362 292964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "obvious" :D < 1304558981 660254 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304559336 259463 :Aesculapius!~kvirc@174-22-243-111.phnx.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1304559770 442575 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304559857 705693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304559859 59173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304559860 547551 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304559888 831211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1304559930 827821 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304560115 162206 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304560289 628552 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to decide between the Nook Color, Bebook Neo, and Sony PRS-650 < 1304561117 874263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are programs reading other font files to make bitmap font for resolution and so on, maybe I can change it to output TFM/GF format if it doesn't do so already. < 1304561159 512536 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304561814 671645 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304562906 389366 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304562953 134962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304562962 654227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently strip nomic is an actual game that has been played < 1304562975 343306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more hilarious than it has the right to be < 1304562976 551374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304562990 482067 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "strip". < 1304562991 162852 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304563016 289444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is "strip nomic" < 1304563020 149635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats enough for me < 1304563036 57966 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying "define 'strip'" because this would, presumably, be defined in the nomic. < 1304563043 477536 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence "strip" is up for change. < 1304563047 507078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, scamming your way out of stripping < 1304563057 245872 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1304563060 896732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty sure there's no way that can't be the best game possible < 1304563072 413735 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also make it a drinking game. < 1304563100 732645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty sure the drinking has already happened by the time you get to inventing strip nomic < 1304563184 855573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic nerds; now nearly naked < 1304563254 589510 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304563401 616574 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304563494 870795 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304563837 428043 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304564753 208651 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1304565276 541036 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304565468 867859 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304566059 956480 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304566061 413263 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Self-compiled compiler has disconnected from bootstrap compiler in dev build cycle; will henceforth be referred to as "the" rust compiler." < 1304566119 862950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeerust compiler < 1304566350 971377 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304566423 574937 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304566710 299905 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304567403 710016 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program is that? < 1304567488 682341 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "zeerust compiler" was a joke. I think. Mozilla Rust is a new programming language < 1304567549 908190 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304567983 469669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla Rust? < 1304568010 127242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it rusted and doesn't work anymore? < 1304568017 246122 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worries me somewhat that my computer seems to have suddenly ceased to have cooling issues with this new power supply. < 1304568033 365007 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah if it were new it would be Mozilla Iron < 1304568039 924668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I suppose that is because it is rusted and doesn't work anymore. < 1304568077 961497 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that that means that my previous one was *shitty*, and the source of almost all my system's heat. < 1304568263 335896 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304568576 968791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: How I wish I could enumerate pi easily, since all these bullshit mnemonics prevent recalling any of pi's sequence more simply. < 1304568761 572174 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My system is literally running at the same temperature it used to idle at... With full CPU usage. < 1304568775 104611 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally only changed the power supply. < 1304568879 892176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* zzo38 has quit (Quit: How I wish I could enumerate pi easily, since all these bullshit mnemonics prevent recalling any of pi's sequence more simply.) < 1304568880 561381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304569379 139316 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304569435 226960 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304569566 837297 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304570744 290360 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304571731 34933 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304572017 410417 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304572317 733710 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304572658 114857 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304572928 510939 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304573169 980811 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304574428 281931 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304574433 824166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-192-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304576709 994956 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304577505 872099 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304577734 418317 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-192-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304577752 12625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-189.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304580010 309079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1304581627 891623 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304581751 275221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :Phantom_oo < 1304581754 398345 :Phantom_oo!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1304581754 586039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_oo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304581755 708294 :Phantom_oo!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1304581755 968348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 22s ago: < 1304581759 167948 :Phantom_oo!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1304582801 968276 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304582841 715073 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304583050 947230 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEC1B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304583105 624603 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF2BE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304583139 972621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad comprehensions are finally in GHC (self.haskell) < 1304583145 448884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back, old friend < 1304583811 50725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304583966 648062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304583972 282817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, some of Shiro's code is quite ugly. < 1304584483 297921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XbAS < 1304584485 777488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this function. just look at it. < 1304586132 214658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-202.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304586157 943401 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304587681 550720 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304587688 576457 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-202.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304591536 833162 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304592436 386989 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304592912 884968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304592926 362881 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304593663 459250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sertyguhvcfyuij < 1304595343 244023 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/wiki/MemFractal.html < 1304595451 824676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that adder is pretty < 1304595486 952080 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other examples needed badly < 1304596362 217604 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone of you been to bletchley park < 1304596383 234393 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's mostly towards the people living in the land of Eng < 1304596977 413466 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, synchronicity; we've been planning to visit that place this June. < 1304597015 60478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out of our country normans < 1304597108 351800 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were gonna throw out alan turings stuff < 1304597119 871313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they killed alan turing with alien rays < 1304597131 899708 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the gov. "apologised" about it so they don't need to fund the maintainance of the musium < 1304597154 818222 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahThe National Heritage Memorial Fund's £200,000 donation filled the gap. < 1304597163 536966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gap in their alien mind projectors < 1304597171 36574 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: stop trolling < 1304597180 265847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being 9 percent sincere < 1304597451 579451 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-152.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304597682 38438 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "demonstrably incomplete" mean? < 1304597724 98372 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you can prove that the system cannot generate all possible theorems within the system < 1304599161 803693 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:36 < Slereah> Gotta study for my makeup exam of topology and probabilities :c < 1304599170 439165 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :at beauty school am i right LOL < 1304599271 435333 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the correct english word? < 1304599277 114346 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rattrapage in French < 1304600042 753966 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice. can you take some photos? < 1304600052 680927 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would love to come along ^^ < 1304600085 23591 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you read cryptonomicon? it takes part at bletchley park < 1304600211 841947 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though it was quite a while ago. < 1304600266 832804 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you enjoyed it? < 1304600335 228318 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall I didn't like it quite as much as some other Neal Stephenson's books, but that's probably just me. < 1304600572 901446 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i liked the "current time" parts < 1304600574 994518 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304600577 737203 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hadn't finished the book though) < 1304600582 838517 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really liked the waterhouse parts < 1304600595 168267 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones with the marine were mediocre but not bad < 1304600645 941797 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304601567 207208 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-152.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304601973 427727 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ping < 1304601973 654495 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304601978 481996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pogn < 1304602007 834843 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm curious what your thoughts are on the AV system being proposed. I don't know much about UK politics ;-) < 1304602014 964333 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is voting day - right? < 1304602020 24832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304602042 81513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV is better than first-past-the-post, like every voting system apart from the Random Elephant Stomping method < 1304602066 145071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a perfect universe we'd have Condorcet or even stochastic or whatever, but AV is much better than what we have < 1304602073 8524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's exactly zero chance it will pass, though < 1304602090 197558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FUD cloud is so thick that it's hovering outside my window as we speak < 1304602170 108817 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1304602177 136379 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV is so complicated < 1304602184 670572 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will cost tax payers trillions of dollars < 1304602185 105247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: you're joking right? < 1304602188 125737 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV = IVR - right? < 1304602193 115947 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that the BNP get to choose who wins < 1304602196 904515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: if by IVR you mean IRV then yes < 1304602200 997552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: trololololololol :) < 1304602204 774337 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm yeah - typo ;-) < 1304602226 929095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the best method out there, but obviously it's far superior to FPTP < 1304602277 671358 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was IRV chosen to be the one to spearhead the voting change? < 1304602291 60815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno? < 1304602297 614216 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1304602318 502452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if FUDders think AV is too complicated, imagine what they'd do to Condorcet < 1304602381 264091 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on on the resolution method used < 1304602397 793701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really doesn't, you have no idea the kind of shit being said here :) < 1304602401 234078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are literally leaflets going < 1304602409 623312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPTP: All the votes are counted up and the person with the most votes wins < 1304602418 378347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV: [RIDICULOUS TEN PAGE "EXPLANATION" THAT MAKES NO SENSE] < 1304602422 232325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEREFORE AV IS TOO COMPLICATED < 1304602429 192345 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1304602447 310052 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :curios - who are the people against the FPTP system < 1304602462 588475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the ones supporting AV? < 1304602468 707856 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1304602476 856741 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who are the ones supporting it < 1304602490 455912 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean -> which are the main groups on either side ;-) < 1304602496 156712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Lib Dems, who everyone hate, either because they're left-wing, or because the coalition has been ridiculously ineffective (they've teamed up with the right-wing Conservatives and have henceforth been the Conservatives' bitch) < 1304602503 364986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people against AV (for FPTP) are everyone else < 1304602533 544145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since it's being framed as it being a Lib Dem "demand" that the government is being forced to hold a referendum on, the negativity is incredible < 1304602547 432282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bunch of bullshit < 1304602575 458553 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/is-av-better-than-fptp/ < 1304602581 418396 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gowers is against first past the "post" < 1304602590 177141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"post" < 1304602597 516928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT IS POST < 1304602616 935583 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.andrew-mitchell-mp.co.uk/images/winner_under_av.jpg < 1304602637 713112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that shit < 1304602641 812843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one is the boxing match < 1304602645 322906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOXING MATCHES HAVE TWO PARTICIPANTS < 1304602652 931930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL VOTING SYSTEMS ARE IDENTICAL IF THERE ARE ONLY TWO OPTIONS < 1304602698 477919 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: that isn't a vote :-\ < 1304602724 445807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Don't bring your logic into our national shit-flinging fiasco plz < 1304602726 197806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impolite < 1304602839 316165 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VipbwQnEqwk/TWS9XAo9OOI/AAAAAAAAK8I/DoL0NdDAAWk/s1600/No2AV-baby-poster.jpg < 1304602881 482473 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you vote for AV this baby will die! < 1304602887 757823 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/05/no-to-av.jpeg < 1304602889 527321 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this one! < 1304602909 349411 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1304602925 258961 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *really* hates stupidity  < 1304602956 165819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i love that figure thing < 1304602956 726706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1304602962 252970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the no leaflet < 1304602970 948935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they list all these costs right < 1304602973 53998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that adopting av would have < 1304602974 34797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1304602980 123327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they ADD THE COST OF THE REFERENDUM < 1304602982 506714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the total that av would cost < 1304602988 54342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the fact that that cost is already paid < 1304603002 341544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it gets better, the sum they give is actually many millions more than the sum of the components. < 1304603005 622841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck you :) < 1304603008 530996 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304603021 349866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like the idea that if av isn't adopted, they'll make like five million schools though < 1304603027 739660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hire ten billion doctors < 1304603034 430230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure thats what will happen < 1304603134 541800 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "they" just don't want ANYTHING to change, because if the peopl start thinking that they can improve goverment... that coudl cause problems for control freaks that happen to be in power < 1304603543 436836 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a new propaganda: "Under AV, AV would win" < 1304605449 823639 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-152.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304606063 812633 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, which alternate voting system is AV? < 1304606072 949503 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since "AV" means nothing really :P < 1304606111 63353 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it means you put preferences and the if there's not a strong majority it takes second favorites etc. into account < 1304606122 272806 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just a cross for the one you want < 1304606128 261046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know that bit on the Last Night of the Proms where they play "Jerusalem" and everyone in England sings along? I want you to imagine right now that they're all singing "No" at you. Not in a mean way. In a loving, patriotic way. But also sternly. With bows of burning gold and chariots of fire." < 1304606143 310572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antivirus < 1304606150 417576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IRV < 1304606156 629855 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're voting to eliminate viruses. < 1304606162 174199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome since everyone else's answers are worthless < 1304606164 578774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a wonderful person < 1304606183 256005 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, elliott, for giving me the data I actually wanted :P < 1304606194 586290 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1304606226 363887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Gregor was asking what voting system AV actually is :P < 1304606229 862701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is instant-runoff. < 1304606241 137879 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called AV < 1304606245 482054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1304606249 131719 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bashes crystal-cola's head into a wall. < 1304606250 483474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody called it AV before this referendum. < 1304606254 271330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called IRV. < 1304606254 671197 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you guyts < 1304606256 749749 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV is a retarded name. < 1304606259 592483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: what < 1304606260 1918 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV means "alternative voting" < 1304606263 650379 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're retarded < 1304606266 709988 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every voting system is an alternative to another voting system. < 1304606266 897621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It means alternative /vote/. < 1304606273 1023 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, sorry :P < 1304606273 946409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i.e. you have alternate VOTES for candidates. < 1304606277 439266 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304606283 178506 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jokes are valuable too! < 1304606284 859627 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1304606287 288049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes slightly more sense than "alternative voting [system]" which I too originally assumed :P < 1304606302 505877 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but there are also dozens of voting systems that fit that description. < 1304606325 975682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we should name voting systems with a compact representation of their algorithms :P < 1304606488 720753 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssssssssss < 1304606492 620166 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make an initialism of that. < 1304606493 251382 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304606518 498891 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304606528 377207 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware that voting systems had any notable cost (in general). < 1304606563 154384 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304606572 883987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1304606589 672053 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they do. They have to print ballots, institute new counting systems, train the relevant people on how to tally properly, etc etc. < 1304606590 471893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: So what's this about being retarded < 1304606605 800415 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I said "notable". < 1304606609 640037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hey, I was going to approach that point with wilful non-understanding. < 1304606625 968960 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i.e. cost *over* what you're already paying just to run an election. < 1304606628 988563 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We should name them based on some lisp code implementing the counting, and then taking the initial characters of the most important (sub)expressions. So do you prefer ((((((((( over (((((((((((((((? < 1304606632 588622 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, how much does it cost to NOT kill a baby? < 1304606641 458139 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It costs about the same to implement a new voting system. < 1304606656 496256 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fairly absurd amount, if by "NOT kill" you mean "spare no expense in saving". :P < 1304606670 99787 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just mean "NOT kill" < 1304606675 809114 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked what something is and I explained it, that is not justification for being cunts < 1304606681 493847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if you institute AV, then they throw babies in furnaces. < 1304606688 592959 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so straight-up inaction? < 1304606701 992491 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All the therapy to treat those people who get depressed when they don't get to kill any babies, etc etc. < 1304606706 71870 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It costs the same amount to not institute AV! < 1304606708 253616 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked an ambiguous question and I didn't get what you meant, so go fuck yourself < 1304606718 838554 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ONLY OPTION IS TO REQUIRE EVERY VOTER TO PAY < 1304606726 950266 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, they'll throw babies in furnaces! < 1304606727 547792 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ crystal-cola's overreaction < 1304606733 529366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use it to run generators! < 1304606738 389847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by lol @ crystal-cola's overreaction to my lolling at his overreaction. < 1304606743 499095 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOYLENT ELECTRICITY IS PEOPLE! < 1304606753 352508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You asked what something is and I explained it, that is not justification for being cunts < 1304606757 477194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't a cunt. < 1304606769 976076 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Peoplectricity is renewable, though. < 1304606787 375376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how Sgeo who didn't even try to be helpful is inexplicably unoffended on account of not taking every off-hand joke personally. < 1304606791 544331 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As renewable as our food. < 1304606797 184153 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which is "not very" ATM. < 1304606817 42144 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But if you burn enough people, there's less to eat and/or use the electricity. < 1304606837 371193 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to find the right balance there. < 1304606848 307283 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that'll just result in more fuckin'. < 1304606856 529168 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fucking idiots can make fun of me all you want I don't give a shit because you're both on ignore now < 1304606866 957643 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bahahahaha. < 1304606868 468419 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1304606895 805700 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize crystal-cola was such an expert in extreme overreaction to near-zero offense. < 1304607019 198606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uh, seriously? < 1304607044 22672 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not much of an observer of people. < 1304607111 667076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrolling up I didn't even mention anyone at all, just their answers :P < 1304607186 440728 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the point is that the vote is actually "institute AV (+ bonus baby furnaces)" vs "do not institute AV (and no baby furnaces)" < 1304607194 963476 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking assholes < 1304607209 825704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were on ignore for being horrible people. < 1304607252 94691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you can bookmark Chrome's new tab page. < 1304607266 483796 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've actually noticed that. < 1304607267 772880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... so beautiful... < 1304607280 262714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add it to my bookmarks so I always have a new tab handy when I need it < 1304607293 991293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yess < 1304607295 870948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssss < 1304607298 660751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pinned the new tab page < 1304607300 190293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessssssss < 1304607536 329966 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should bash your snotty fucking stuck up headin < 1304607545 605677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M EXTREMELY OFFENDED < 1304607547 131786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ASSHOLE < 1304607548 549877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGIUHGEIUGHEIUGHERIUGHUIERGHIERG < 1304607562 119901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"RAESRIUGAIUGHIUHGIERGOIUERHGIUOAEHGOIAEHGRIUOAEHGIOHGIUHRGIOEHG" < 1304607566 567129 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1304607568 137193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304607571 926617 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304607573 97278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the appeal... < 1304607612 253259 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it really is much easier to not be a whiny little dipshit that takes every off-hand comment as an intensely-personal insult. < 1304607636 870750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for whiny dipshits < 1304608528 688348 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to google.co.uk -> go to image search -> search for "pip pip cheerio" -> wtfwtfwtf < 1304608739 394633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats britain for you < 1304608746 24138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly are you referring to < 1304608772 262388 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "pip pip cheerio" (in two of the top 10 or so image results) refers to gigantism of particular intimate body parts. < 1304608788 660709 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a condition I can only assume is called pippipcheeriism < 1304608791 316783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They appear to originate from tumblr posts. < 1304608806 549464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A user named pip-pip-cheerio is mentioned on the pages in question. < 1304608820 847450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that everyone else has forgotten that Google Images can give you the source web page, I will rule supreme as master of all knowledge. < 1304608838 176443 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at work, so did not go so far as to click through :P < 1304608851 936523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK to have that stuff on your screen BUT IF THERE WERE WORDS TOO OH GOD < 1304608890 882132 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1304608930 138579 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-188-153.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304608934 885196 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-146.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304608976 134472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hit my head with my knee < 1304608977 352136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hurt < 1304608980 764758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i manage that < 1304609011 161994 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carefully < 1304609038 409178 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trying repeatedly. practice makes perfect. < 1304609261 361990 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, you could do it with little training or practice by removing the knee in question, thereby allowing it to move more freely and without obstacles. < 1304609276 968628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted. < 1304609595 850209 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304609596 190248 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304609596 377995 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304609643 536064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now that everyone else has forgotten that Google Images can give you the source web page, I will rule supreme as master of all knowledge. <-- uh of course it can? < 1304609668 484673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I believe some manner of physical pain should be dispensed to Vorpal for his inability to comprehend any kind of context at all. < 1304609672 880132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See to it. < 1304609702 411102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is a lot more fun to not read context! < 1304609712 160219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it makes you irritated for a start. < 1304609718 340807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You misspelled "annoying and stupid". And I'm not irritated. < 1304609729 528859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor annoyed actually, things can be annoying without actually annoying. < 1304609745 180530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather something annoying does not necessarily annoy enough to cause one to become annoyed. < 1304609746 97115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but you find it annoying < 1304609791 403900 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304610152 98848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, it seems like the AV name might be considerably older -- dating back to the nineteen-tens, even. < 1304610154 531381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually, the Commons voted 181-166 not to introduce the Alternative Vote system, and by a larger majority against PR. Just before the vote was taken, the prime minister, Andrew Bonar Law, at the head of a minority Conservative administration, admonished MPs in language that still has an unfortunate resonance: "I don't believe the country cares twopence one way or the other about either proportional representation or the alternative vote." What < 1304610154 719064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the public expected, he said, was that the politicians should make up their minds. < 1304610156 671536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/av/av-debate-the-voting-system-that-cameron-is-fighting-for-is-a-veritable-novelty-2270578.html < 1304610180 914675 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304610191 599128 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304610538 689617 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1304610598 12711 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying, anointing, ... < 1304610745 215934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304613285 684943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304613300 867763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Homestuck has updated. Lemme guess, lambdabot has some messages for me. < 1304613301 55599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1304615689 316345 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fuckyng kill youself you fucking shithead < 1304615725 866944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304615727 38887 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1304615746 374292 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how it's a vicious cycle too. < 1304615760 27571 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more over-the-top he gets, the more hilarious I find it, and the more over-the-top he gets. < 1304615769 206467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Shut the fuck up and calm down. You've counter-insulted far more than the original insult many times over by now and this is completely childish. I will say no more. (And sure, this is childish too, but seriously, cut it out.)" < 1304615772 351811 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut the fuck up and calm down. You've counter-insulted far more than the original insult many times over by now and this is completely childish. I will say no more. (And sure, this is childish too, but seriously, cut it out.) < 1304615777 768831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats HackEgos opinion < 1304615781 263941 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304615782 662964 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fuckyng kill youself you fucking shithead < 1304615783 483229 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fuckyng kill youself you fucking shithead < 1304615783 914247 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fuckyng kill youself you fucking shithead < 1304615786 112020 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fuckyng kill youself you fucking shithead < 1304615788 894472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyy < 1304615792 190330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just like last time crystal-cola got banned < 1304615794 891628 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahahaha < 1304615812 733097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im reminiscing :3 < 1304615833 607598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hmm, why is this happening/ < 1304615853 909511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1304615858 913512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:23: I forget, which alternate voting system is AV? < 1304615859 288849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:32: Since "AV" means nothing really :P < 1304615859 289041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:11: well it means you put preferences and the if there's not a strong majority it takes second favorites etc. into account < 1304615859 289148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:22: instead of just a cross for the one you want < 1304615859 849694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1304615862 462532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:50: Gregor: IRV < 1304615863 733552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:36:02: You're welcome since everyone else's answers are worthless < 1304615865 825457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:36:04: I'm a wonderful person < 1304615867 796741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:36:23: Thank you, elliott, for giving me the data I actually wanted :P < 1304615869 910563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then crystal-cola went insane. < 1304615898 361812 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You deserve to get your head bashed in < 1304615899 65747 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You deserve to get your head bashed in < 1304615899 346421 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You deserve to get your head bashed in < 1304615899 748938 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :[A < 1304615902 262473 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You deserve to get your head bashed in < 1304615917 384425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me where oerjan is. < 1304615925 487779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Request straitjacket. < 1304615934 49317 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently he thinks that by flooding his lololoverreaction I'll suddenly care what his opinion is :P < 1304615980 497568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola is... not known for his emotional stability or rational behaviour when upset. < 1304615990 996503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is better than last time, at least. < 1304616018 831304 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm known for finding these situations hilarious and wonderful :P < 1304616028 743975 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And overusing the ":P" smiley :P :P :P < 1304616052 342258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well at least i can see the other messages this time < 1304616080 338834 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is a stuck up shit head who should fuck off < 1304616089 714500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, that's what I mean. < 1304616090 98313 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304616091 83301 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go away asshole < 1304616104 852555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: You're a drama-whoring overreacting many-times-more-asshole who can't see this message. < 1304616106 762986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God this is fun. < 1304616108 238776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should see if crystal-cola can increase the insult density further/ < 1304616111 138965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By fun I mean irritating and depressing. < 1304616117 66968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please, I don't want dead bodies littering the street. < 1304616150 340433 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Really? You find it anything but fun? < 1304616153 232745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that his sentences go beyond full saturation and become some kind of quark-gluon plasma of swearwords and violence. < 1304616168 332380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: /msg, this is ridiculous < 1304616184 245514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi! < 1304616186 525840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want in! < 1304616200 412190 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304616200 735400 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1304616200 923371 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1304616519 570276 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1304616607 330585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure you understand what /ignore is for, its so you dont see the persons messages < 1304616619 495171 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304616959 220674 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah, it's Cinco de Mayo. < 1304616971 207656 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "The day Americans think is Mexican Independence Day but isn't" day < 1304616993 512917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adjusts his giveashitometer < 1304617015 27154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it can successfully measure the 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 shits I give. < 1304617051 334876 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might actually be too little shit to be verifiably shit at all. < 1304617070 2108 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is utterly no reason to give a shit since this holiday makes no logical sense < 1304617093 492652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does any holiday :P < 1304617101 260602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I gotta say, I'm totally not feeling the vibes of this one. < 1304617120 126111 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some holidays make sense < 1304617122 337242 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about if I say that it's "get drunk for no real reason" day < 1304617131 974240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Define "makes sense". < 1304617145 405749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a sense-making holiday distinguish from a non-sense-making one < 1304617148 147641 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is a celebration of something worthy of celebration < 1304617158 907885 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a national holiday makes sense < 1304617164 463774 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxing Day does not < 1304617179 277813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, valid holidays are about consumerism, nationalism or getting drunk. < 1304617186 951394 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly consumerism. < 1304617189 448606 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that notion, the only holiday worth celebrating is.... < 1304617191 822789 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1304617192 521369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And getting drunk. < 1304617193 912868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nationalism. < 1304617197 969023 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a holiday < 1304617199 200669 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them. < 1304617208 350457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both getting drunk and nationalism are just facades for consumerism :P < 1304617208 538043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: a day when you get drunk, consume a lot, and national (verb) < 1304617227 344314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I dunno, nationalism is pretty strong in itself :P < 1304617229 564869 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say every day but I never do any of those < 1304617235 831414 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be the worst lie < 1304617241 506395 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dood, I'm gonna national 'til I've painted the whole world red white and blue! (But not French red white and blue) < 1304617248 319792 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the manner of celebration, birthdays may count < 1304617294 491923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how are national holidays celebrating something worthy of celebration < 1304617303 394286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more than holidays about consumerism < 1304617319 553132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nationalism is no more (probably less) logical than consumerism, after all, as stupid as the word "logical" is as a system to rank things < 1304617321 572924 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holidays about getting drunk < 1304617361 775709 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are drunk people hilarious or scary I can't make up my mind < 1304617373 174165 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on who they are < 1304617395 635514 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1304617397 255025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1304617400 994675 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Nationalism is no more (probably less) logical than consumerism, after all, as stupid as the word "logical" is as a system to rank things < 1304617402 251485 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :396) Nationalism is no more (probably less) logical than consumerism, after all, as stupid as the word "logical" is as a system to rank things < 1304617417 609521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im poplar < 1304617427 933599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soft light-colored non-durable wood of the poplar < 1304617428 210880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of numerous trees of north temperate regions having light soft wood and flowers borne in catkins < 1304617428 398525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1304617429 90688 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiz: what is the worst holiday according to cabbies? < 1304617429 372173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im poplar < 1304617433 240495 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a tree. < 1304617438 768105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are you using write-only IRC? < 1304617438 955493 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304617441 807945 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your bipoplar < 1304617444 400672 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1304617453 529467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orrrrr you're just ignoring disagreement < 1304617468 847425 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write-only IRC: best idea < 1304617483 77562 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617484 193423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: crystal-cola is pioneering it by single-handedly ignoring everyone on IRC one-by-one < 1304617503 816845 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617504 896923 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617510 715208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE SPACES < 1304617510 902879 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough `addquotes for me for the day :P < 1304617511 622088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERESY < 1304617516 514866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 397 < 1304617517 860129 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617522 926036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617524 23966 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617530 853186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fumes and guards his golden eggs < 1304617536 542358 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 397 < 1304617537 363388 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617538 260509 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617539 328016 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :398) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617541 959984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304617547 13658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice Peano skills dude < 1304617548 331090 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 398 < 1304617549 871539 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617553 191743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 397 < 1304617554 168756 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617555 397804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617556 472401 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :400) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617561 786991 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1304617565 426764 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY QUOTES < 1304617565 845411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run rm bin/{delquote,addquote} < 1304617567 536332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE IF I DON'T < 1304617571 64515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...AARGH X-D < 1304617573 877302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 397 < 1304617575 51369 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617577 237834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DERP DERP DERP < 1304617581 78798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 397 < 1304617582 106492 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617588 387029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 397 < 1304617589 449319 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617594 292726 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 397 < 1304617594 793958 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Best system ever? < 1304617595 642389 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) ======= < 1304617595 830293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten nine eight seven < 1304617597 292646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 398 < 1304617598 365936 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617601 584007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha < 1304617602 476036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed merge < 1304617604 95725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaahah < 1304617607 730274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 399 < 1304617608 962836 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304617610 43830 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :======= is a good quote < 1304617614 115866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste quotes < 1304617615 414402 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23664 < 1304617623 296764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 399 < 1304617624 622368 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304617626 976871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 398 < 1304617628 265799 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :398) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617628 928566 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should, like, actually check if merges fail :P < 1304617633 813120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 397 < 1304617634 782501 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617639 371582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste quotes < 1304617640 374067 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.717 < 1304617658 563543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone fucks that up I will literally hunt them down and murder them brutally. < 1304617661 792709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not in the least bit kidding. < 1304617663 84759 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know you can just `url quotes, right? :P < 1304617665 554757 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye ======= ;_; < 1304617669 709987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't trust that shit, bro. < 1304617674 320197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: RIP < 1304617762 733417 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304617772 508304 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste /bin/sh < 1304617774 9661 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9997 < 1304617787 45711 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting /bin/sh: Totally useless? < 1304617808 278267 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/passwd < 1304617809 261234 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304617814 639105 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I IS HAXER < 1304617838 335894 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste /etc/shadow < 1304617839 857472 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15274 < 1304617859 35269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 396 < 1304617859 940069 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304617860 925414 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste /etc/hosts < 1304617862 320948 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14250 < 1304617876 413033 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304617888 664067 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 396 < 1304617890 170929 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :396) Write-only IRC: best idea Gregor: we have that. It's called Twitter < 1304617891 556569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: If you're going to try (and fail miserably) to hack it, do so in PM plox. < 1304617920 308193 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1304617922 677025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `delquote 396 < 1304617924 496226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that quote? < 1304617934 567633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one about nationalism. < 1304617935 909640 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye Nationalism is no more (probably less) logical than consumerism, after all, as stupid as the word "logical" is as a system to rank things < 1304617939 436268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: STOP PINGING PEOPLE WITH A SINGLE LINE OF "NAME." IT'S SO SDOHDGHGDFGJKDFG < 1304617943 321416 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1304617944 173394 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304617945 823278 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1304617946 11016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why did you delete it GREGOR ADDED THAT QUOTE < 1304617946 946477 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will stop. < 1304617947 914206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1304617948 102067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't actually, y'know, *funny*. < 1304617948 645628 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1304617951 92358 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to respond to that anyway :P < 1304617953 214054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1304617955 18499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL ENABLE < 1304617956 73564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNNINESS < 1304617958 261974 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :D= < 1304617964 872740 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget www.google.com < 1304617966 586333 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304617968 746874 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1304617969 933679 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ index.html \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test.c \ tmpdir.15537 < 1304617971 334373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 256 < 1304617972 573040 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1304617975 24263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE POWERS OF TWO < 1304617976 682799 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies???? < 1304617982 331456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 396 < 1304617983 157504 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :396) Nationalism is no more (probably less) logical than consumerism, after all, as stupid as the word "logical" is as a system to rank things < 1304617988 229488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I fixe d your quote < 1304618003 971738 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: For a while (all of an hour or so) I had it set up so that whenever somebody said "fuck", it presented them with a baby :P < 1304618011 537507 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run seq 1 1 10000000 < 1304618012 805513 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10 \ 11 \ 12 \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ 16 \ 17 \ 18 \ 19 \ 20 \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ 24 \ 25 \ 26 \ 27 \ 28 \ 29 \ 30 \ 31 \ 32 \ 33 \ 34 \ 35 \ 36 \ 37 \ 38 \ 39 \ 40 \ 41 \ 42 \ 43 \ 44 \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ 48 \ 49 \ 50 \ 51 \ 52 \ 53 \ 54 \ 55 \ 56 \ 57 \ 58 \ 59 \ 60 \ 61 \ 62 \ 63 \ 64 \ 65 \ 66 \ 67 < 1304618015 110678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck < 1304618016 228572 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! elliott's action has brought a beautiful new baby into the world. Isn't it adorable? < 1304618023 688943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps forgetting my past babies,. < 1304618026 224465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1304618026 637445 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run seq 1 1 10000000 | paste < 1304618031 726658 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir seq 1 1 10000000 < 1304618033 119492 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304618034 308866 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1304618034 666826 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg commit attack. < 1304618038 247249 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir `seq 1 1 10000000` < 1304618045 118472 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12279 < 1304618046 743260 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1304618048 114101 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1304618051 325703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, FWIW, HE is extremely sandboxed. < 1304618051 608016 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test.c \ tmpdir.15965 < 1304618056 334819 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304618063 236629 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not even mkdir spam will work? < 1304618066 164133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1304618085 12962 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, touch spam probably would. < 1304618090 83170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck would mkdir spam achieve? Even the stupidest of bots has a quota surely :P < 1304618093 394158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, but I do want to punch you in the face for that smiley. < 1304618109 135938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a maximum file size limit? (looks like 10M) < 1304618109 553798 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a quota, but it's not a small quota :P < 1304618115 549468 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1304618121 410698 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does freenode have a connection limit? < 1304618122 132323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: PING STOP IT < 1304618124 94275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjgdfgg < 1304618125 331049 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1304618135 100591 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Probably? :P < 1304618138 497369 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I WILL ENABLE FUNNINESS <-- just replace one of the compared terms with "eating babies" < 1304618143 214514 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, could you have HackEgo connect over and over to freenode until it's connections are kicked off? < 1304618184 264391 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ... you can't, from `run, request HackEgo to ... connect again ... somehow. < 1304618186 474713 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/a540b7f2622c/index.html :? < 1304618196 126120 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1304618201 36725 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download a script that connects to IRC. < 1304618202 683306 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execute it. < 1304618205 712502 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(opps i did it again) < 1304618210 984759 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networking is protected. < 1304618214 81238 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $http_proxy < 1304618215 503140 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://127.0.0.1:3128 < 1304618230 10927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google and various other sites are allowed through the HTTP proxy. < 1304618230 297710 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it block IRC connection attempts? < 1304618244 730767 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networking is outright blocked except through the HTTP proxy. < 1304618248 848724 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1304618273 983434 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unset http_proxy; curl http://www.google.com/ < 1304618275 915911 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304618280 237455 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unset http_proxy; curl http://www.google.com/ 2>&1 < 1304618281 356403 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'www.google.com' < 1304618340 11773 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run netcat < 1304618341 147414 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304618349 394210 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run nc < 1304618350 671252 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304618361 214018 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/ < 1304618362 598289 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ ln \ login \ ls \ lsmod < 1304618384 559495 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack attempts in PM plox kthx < 1304618433 881862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hack attempts in public < 1304618439 3300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see the fail :DDddD:D < 1304618447 279183 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :( < 1304618451 817163 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine there was a comma after the "no" < 1304618458 103048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304618459 946552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats where it should be < 1304618461 682910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i intended < 1304618507 311013 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean that if one can do hack it he/she can do it publicly? :p < 1304618528 767209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, if you can actually do it, do whenever. But since I very much doubt anyone can, I want to see people fail to in public :P < 1304618534 197104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta keep the channel activity going somehow. < 1304618563 953611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are we defining "hack" here? < 1304618580 59146 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i misunderstood your sentence. got it. < 1304618592 550660 :newbie|2!~kvirc@ip-79-111-36-98.bb.netbynet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1304618612 177327 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well, strictly i didn't try to hack the bot; i just poked it with a stick ;) < 1304618638 463430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all about stick-poking here < 1304618640 283565 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the sence that i just wanted to see how it is implemented) < 1304618640 628318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that right newbie|2 < 1304618646 250406 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304618650 575873 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense* < 1304618659 244170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: FWIW it's plash < 1304618676 553738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, chroot with only a libc that works over sockets and simulates the whole FS and everything through that < 1304618693 604062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor's bot not mine :P) < 1304618708 344187 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see zeptobot do that < 1304618769 395547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeptobot can do everything you horrible person < 1304618796 850443 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : welcome back, old friend < 1304618806 790264 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still dissatisfied since nobody's really made HackEgo do anything cool :( < 1304618808 679474 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you didn't know about haskell last it was there ;D < 1304618812 938519 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more a minor curiosity than an actual bot. < 1304618818 999279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shaddap :) < 1304618824 490983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/h4vrv/til_the_highest_temperature_ever_reached_on_earth/ < 1304618831 40874 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither did i) < 1304618839 200363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I badly want to hit the idiot who wrote that in Fahrenheit. < 1304618848 170479 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1304618849 662507 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.17336 < 1304618851 104537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :RIP B Nomic | RIP B Nomic memorial topic 2011-2011 | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304618868 719877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another great figure in the esoteric bullshit community dies < 1304618881 546871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's B Nomic? < 1304618886 704829 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooooooooooose < 1304618889 405705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: honestly. you. what is with you. < 1304618895 762785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B Nomic is the successor to A Nomic. < 1304618901 175392 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ♥ Fahrenheit! < 1304618906 451444 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You just hate brine and horses! < 1304618908 673626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fahrenheit is the stupidest fucking scale < 1304618912 742043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes. Yes I do. < 1304618923 140951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not even like the rest of the imperial system. < 1304618956 818683 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in what way? The rest of the system isn't self-similar in any way :P < 1304618998 291592 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :furlongs, fortnight, firkin, fahrenheit; i'd say it fits perfectly. < 1304619004 44408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the imperial system evolved organically from fairly sensible roots which didn't work together well. < 1304619013 254895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fahrenheit was just designed stupidly from the start. < 1304619014 106931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :furlongs, fortnight, firkin, fuckin < 1304619023 761189 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *procreation < 1304619031 342640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercourse < 1304619044 42604 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fintercourse < 1304619051 738184 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fprocreation < 1304619074 657171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :offering prize for first pronunciation of "fprocreation" that blends the f and p into one consonants < 1304619076 459797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consonant < 1304619101 850113 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey no fair giving germans an automatic win < 1304619116 712423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean the english f and p. < 1304619181 479592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farhenheit was defined sensibly based on flawed assumptions. < 1304619214 226138 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was designed so you would virtually never need negative numbers (fail), and so that anybody with a ranch and some brine could figure out the temperature scale :P < 1304619238 413350 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it was /designed/, it didn't just grow from necessity. < 1304619249 422445 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly most scientists had ranches at the time < 1304619288 810034 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays it's only texan scientists < 1304619290 509742 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1304619303 970177 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or those scientists who study texology. < 1304619310 797426 :newbie|2!~kvirc@ip-79-111-36-98.bb.netbynet.ru PART #esoteric :"Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is" < 1304619340 101447 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat to that quit message < 1304619362 560056 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed :P < 1304619386 851316 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is < 1304619394 827189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :RIP B Nomic | "Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is" --Ernest Hemingway | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304619419 47592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Future historians are gonna be SO fucked with their database of famous Hemingway quotes. < 1304619734 643738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : offering prize for first pronunciation of "fprocreation" that blends the f and p into one consonants < 1304619743 442389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voiceless labial plosive. < 1304619769 790118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahts waht seh saied < 1304619785 648952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a master of manipulation. < 1304619824 163717 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manipulation, from latin "manus", hand: pulling someones finger < 1304619828 543319 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'s < 1304619856 969810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write < 1304619859 104233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best bf joust compiler < 1304619859 658157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1304619860 169169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1304619865 299795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ill do that fixed point scoring thing < 1304619883 59606 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i thought you already did. < 1304619892 549641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep but always time to start again < 1304619918 344574 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait didn't that fixed point scoring thing ever get done? < 1304619920 516656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The report stuff would still work if it was in another language, right? i.e. one where I don't have to deal with fucking LAPACK /directly/ :P < 1304619926 357750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It got specified but never implemented. < 1304619966 532278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Talk:BF_Joust#Scoring < 1304619986 390790 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i just thought someone had done it < 1304619988 101363 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on the language. < 1304620022 148000 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/trac/fythe/ <-- look, I've upgraded my trac pages < 1304620037 732466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve :P < 1304620058 518860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Depends on the language" -- is this a "the package needs installing" thing or a "NO LANGUAGES I DON'T TOLERATE ENOUGH" thing? :P < 1304620089 321890 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "no languages I hate" thing :P < 1304620115 218911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which languages do you hate? < 1304620116 750479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How much would you say you hate Haskell :P < 1304620124 796193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd just be so convenient ;_; < 1304620137 845259 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all languages, so it's a grain-of-salt kinda rule :P < 1304620142 131289 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A lot less than anything in the Lisp family. < 1304620160 284008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What about ZEPTO============> < 1304620162 985438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE FUTURE < 1304620166 984973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, your hatred of Lisp still perplexes me. < 1304620177 652832 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Syntax. I ♥ syntax. < 1304620192 2005 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew syntax :( < 1304620203 260767 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll take this no-trac opportunity to unify all my project logins. < 1304620252 627805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/h4m4n/an_elementary_proof_of_fermats_last_theorem/ < 1304620261 34961 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh dear :P < 1304620268 744636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/math: uncritically frontpaging obvious crap since 2011. < 1304620300 323593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll unify YOUR project logins. < 1304620316 751447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: May I suggest never reinstalling Trac ever :P < 1304620316 940695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it gets better. < 1304620317 927903 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304620327 711341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses Comic Sans < 1304620328 424664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even that Ruby thing Redmine is more tolerable :P < 1304620328 613759 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm definitely not going to reinstall Trac. < 1304620337 854005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But the page said they were TEMPORARILY down. < 1304620339 877551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel BETRAYED. < 1304620352 460154 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They'll come back up ... as something other than Trac :P < 1304620365 234496 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I find something tolerable >_> < 1304620369 276986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs bug trackers, wiki + repo viewer heyoo < 1304620380 84556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, a wiki is a perfectly decent bug tracker if you have few, and non-annoying, people :P < 1304620383 995692 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really all I used it for was login management :P < 1304620396 495774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tbh I'd be more likely to add an item to a wiki page than to go through Bugzillaesque hell...) < 1304620407 303882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(God, Bugzilla. I refuse to use Bugzilla ever.) < 1304620410 622914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I fucking hate Bugzilla.) < 1304620421 250330 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bugzilla any good < 1304620430 924482 :impomatic!~chatzilla@84.93.186.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304620435 904922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1304620446 711548 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise answer there < 1304620451 959858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you weren't kidding with comic sans :D < 1304620460 658730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1304620463 128017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :double exclamation marks < 1304620464 849478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cant get better < 1304620500 85889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In the proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem that we’ll give, will emerge spontaneously even an original < 1304620500 506171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedure to find all the infinite Pythagorean triples, this makes us confident in the goodness of the < 1304620500 695209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed method of proof (see Appendix B). ]] < 1304620518 245437 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they are upvoting for the humor value < 1304620527 759847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appendix E < 1304620528 194018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of program (in Visual Basic 6) to produce the equation system (8). < 1304620530 982881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it was at 0, oddly enough. < 1304620539 717305 :impomatic!~chatzilla@84.93.186.86 PART :#esoteric < 1304620551 128121 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh? maybe you saw it just as it was posted. < 1304620578 189094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twelve hours old < 1304620581 442062 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304620611 706236 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304620618 255544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TEDxCharlotte < 1304620623 362143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x -- independently organized TED event" < 1304620626 464153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this video can do no wrong already < 1304620634 278624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VORTEX BASED MATHEMATICS < 1304620647 102486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how has TED not sued these guys yet < 1304620652 52628 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh so it's just because r/math is slow < 1304620660 766019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTPFXZMtOY < 1304620682 643460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR "FACTS" < 1304620682 833138 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vbm < 1304620697 78043 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's an official TEDx < 1304620712 59345 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these special effects are pretty rad. is this an ad? < 1304620718 693936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, is it? < 1304620722 265778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why do they have this crackpot then < 1304620770 638691 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it wasn't an ad < 1304620771 252901 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TEDx events are completely run indepedently, they just share the TED brand < 1304620775 380553 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music is still going why is it going < 1304620813 839728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, this is hilarious. < 1304620819 707869 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm laughing < 1304620841 466430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee, numerology! < 1304620878 34336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK commentary cannot express this. < 1304620902 216941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts watching < 1304620908 140252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1304620911 717223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two minutes in this is amazing < 1304620917 8632 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 4 minutes in < 1304620918 908230 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-amazing < 1304620922 142573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end all diseases < 1304620922 707038 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote AV is better than first-past-the-post, like every voting system apart from the Random Elephant Stomping method < 1304620924 516108 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :398) AV is better than first-past-the-post, like every voting system apart from the Random Elephant Stomping method < 1304620924 762044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :produce unlimited food < 1304620929 128082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god this is like < 1304620938 662079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 minutes, he's apparently discovered geometric progression. < 1304620942 557625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is singlehandedly ruining singularitarianism < 1304620948 607299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUMBERS ARE REALITY < 1304620951 466222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEITHER FLAT NOR ARBITRARY < 1304620970 125095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the centre of electricity is magnetism" < 1304620973 807122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304620977 293927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is amazing. < 1304620980 772420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :James Clerk Maxwell wants a word with you < 1304620983 999468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG SBURB LOGO < 1304620986 703251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD THREE MINUTES IN ITS FREEMASON SYMBOL < 1304620991 797631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ALL MAKES SENSE < 1304620994 619103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Sburb is freemasonry. < 1304620995 431827 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many drugs < 1304620999 488599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBURB WAS MADE BY THE FREEMASONS < 1304620999 782491 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it's true in a yin-yang sort of way < 1304621000 39549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1304621000 320605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: all the drugs < 1304621001 611126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1304621016 317833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i support the random elephant stomping method < 1304621021 30762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PHOTON COMING FROM A DISTANT STAR < 1304621025 846932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Negative backdraft counterspace" < 1304621026 790097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR BODY IS CALLED THIS MORTAL COIL < 1304621028 370601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR DNA IS A COIL < 1304621045 165650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPLODING EXPLODING MACHINE < 1304621052 841654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN ANTENNA BUILD TO PERFECTLY TRANSMIT AND RECEIVE WAVEFORMS < 1304621058 44658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently tori are heat sinks. < 1304621087 190598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLING. < 1304621088 856206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the universe has a North and South. < 1304621093 108823 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i call it an inertia ether" -- albert einstein < 1304621096 904434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BINARY CODE IS DOUBLING < 1304621099 360141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1304621103 561402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLING IS MOTION AT AN ANGLE < 1304621104 97129 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this mortal coil has lotsa cuil < 1304621116 531802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a tornado is more powerful than an atom bomb. < 1304621121 701805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most amazing video ive ever watched < 1304621122 117946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a flying saucer. < 1304621129 38503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He; < 1304621134 525438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1304621136 617253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just sticking words together now. < 1304621139 451963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tachyons gravitons monopoles < 1304621142 860155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha he just like < 1304621149 260065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's apparently made a desktop black hole. < 1304621150 378760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strung together fifteen random hypothetical particles < 1304621156 253448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and called them all the same thing < 1304621158 487515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dark energy etc < 1304621163 454687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing < 1304621168 255530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a ball bearing going back and forth in a cup he's holding. < 1304621172 938314 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the audience laughed < 1304621177 405974 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love you, audience < 1304621183 122689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that comes from the hole is zero < 1304621183 311730 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "i'd have brought it here but it fell through my desktop" < 1304621192 643831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it penetrates it leaves a grain < 1304621194 834810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING < 1304621200 321872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :randy powerll famous sexist < 1304621212 951863 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: KNOW WHAT I MEAN SAY NO MORE < 1304621217 982169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative backdraft counterspace which is the same as gravityhahahahh < 1304621239 18429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unievrsal geometry < 1304621247 918896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does the music ever stop < 1304621249 537762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me it never stops < 1304621253 101113 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops :( < 1304621259 502286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its still going seven minutes in < 1304621269 579521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPANDING BECAUSE WEREO N THE SOTHUERHTN FHALHFFHAHHAHAAHAHAH < 1304621296 925098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaoijssogjgjigohdgjfdkgp[khd < 1304621297 314770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gf'cvxc < 1304621297 532825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1304621319 233460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :space time implosion feild generator < 1304621321 834782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long was that fucking name < 1304621322 533326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gejesus < 1304621323 594439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think the commentary basically doesn't help here. < 1304621327 991584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just watching it is enough. < 1304621336 710968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god no this is amazing i have to share this with the whole world < 1304621361 719627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches the first lecture, reads comments < 1304621363 461327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this focusing on the ball cup thing < 1304621364 387060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah yes, arithmetic modulo 9, I forgot to mention that. Before Rodin nobody thought it was possible." < 1304621367 977565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while scary noises play < 1304621373 596148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he talks about curing diseases < 1304621375 927430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty fucking disturbing < 1304621378 838230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modular arithmetic: invented in the 21st century. < 1304621402 377725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwillingness to sell it out < 1304621404 97818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idaioasodhasodoiasdhaiodasdh < 1304621421 549602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1304621426 575689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :randy powell intro to vortex math part one < 1304621430 151972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it goes on to an advanced series < 1304621431 13254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dudes < 1304621432 485980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets so watch this < 1304621434 707584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we watch this guys < 1304621435 872276 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304621448 501655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pvuTZ5u6Kg < 1304621452 390376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets do this man < 1304621458 912882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where doing this bro < 1304621486 251358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where making it transpire < 1304621504 5025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might call it gravitons...you might call it radiant energy... < 1304621507 334750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah e equals mc sauqared < 1304621517 488314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you doing this bro this is so fuckin communal < 1304621521 346776 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304621524 116559 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doing this bro < 1304621530 325462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should get together and watch all this guys videos sometime < 1304621542 886234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, are you makin this hapen < 1304621550 601720 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i am makin this hapen < 1304621556 802305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo uforgot the g dishpit < 1304621559 317467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dishpit :D:D:DD: < 1304621566 421538 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ALL VOTING SYSTEMS ARE IDENTICAL IF THERE ARE ONLY TWO OPTIONS < 1304621570 703574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaves a grain on anything < 1304621572 92098 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually not stochastic ones < 1304621573 969863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is undecaying and eternal < 1304621578 321893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well yes :D < 1304621598 381877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOST < 1304621598 905944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREAT < 1304621599 469836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME < 1304621599 885140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF < 1304621600 590370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD < 1304621606 279135 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : ALL VOTING SYSTEMS ARE IDENTICAL IF THERE ARE ONLY TWO OPTIONS <-- random vote != majority vote :P < 1304621609 218191 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be an argument against them... < 1304621609 969764 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical decryption of the most great name of god < 1304621620 944626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well stochastihastically they're equivalent aren't they < 1304621625 354910 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thank you for rephrasing my point < 1304621627 474465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but two option things are irrelevant anyway < 1304621628 26982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this < 1304621630 636232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1304621631 254020 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: UR WELCUM < 1304621632 6882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a voting system < 1304621636 165900 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More fairly, in some systems abstentions are considered as "no"s < 1304621647 994307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers are music! < 1304621656 732737 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Music is pornography! < 1304621658 713133 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 < 1304621675 79204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pornography is a tree! < 1304621684 321528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1304621685 399616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base tenism < 1304621689 849761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 123456789 are the only digits. < 1304621691 377003 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Trees are made of sand! < 1304621693 291901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaah < 1304621697 701714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZERO IS A FICTION < 1304621699 680478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :numerology < 1304621700 260648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :numerology < 1304621703 138023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and computer science < 1304621713 904615 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sand is made of the ground sould of the damned < 1304621718 49504 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*souls < 1304621722 597182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dude you have to watch this omg < 1304621733 816034 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can model a higher dimensional energy < 1304621736 177739 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But alas, the damned are numbers. < 1304621739 704923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't, he might believe it. < 1304621741 64639 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't watch videos much < 1304621742 434515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is because base 10 is inherent to nature." < 1304621748 489021 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut? < 1304621749 746951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: come on hes just a crackpot not an idiot < 1304621751 624216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yep < 1304621755 916606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: watch and learn bitch < 1304621760 692083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the functions of math! < 1304621775 634184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO OTHER KNOWN FUNCTIONS < 1304621776 269133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat......... < 1304621791 359630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohmy god im laughing so much < 1304621797 710082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bology < 1304621800 23025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently +-*/ are the only functions. < 1304621803 581456 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# aptitude remove trac < 1304621805 995724 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh of relief* < 1304621809 152594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no < 1304621809 868834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURGE < 1304621810 709846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not remove < 1304621811 819820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURGE < 1304621815 665670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinstall it just to purge < 1304621827 557571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the loneliest number < 1304621829 553537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we might think of one god < 1304621829 818254 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this description of 1 is making me feal at peace < 1304621830 510056 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN AND PURGE < 1304621831 191434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one universe < 1304621846 157378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next numberaaAHAHAHAHA < 1304621851 838549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QHOihzAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA|_+GAw\\ < 1304621854 196490 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for doubling < 1304621854 393197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahshah\fhghy < 1304621855 657564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hj < 1304621862 659228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 2*8%10 is 7. < 1304621873 243783 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 dobuled is 16 and 6+1 is 7 < 1304621878 794129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1304621884 958545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's clearly a programmer. < 1304621891 31134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's off by one, just fudge it. < 1304621896 184209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody have a light project/login management system that isn't made of fail? < 1304621902 514898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: redmine seems...ok? < 1304621907 92265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: seriously though, I'd just use a wiki :P < 1304621911 702765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :structure is for fages < 1304621925 260479 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn those phages. < 1304621930 188943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :six plus four equals ten and one plus zero comes back to one < 1304621931 755570 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killin' all my bacteria. < 1304621938 88514 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh daaaaaaang this math < 1304621939 259143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one plus one is two < 1304621972 883623 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a proof of this < 1304621978 664428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No matter what numbers I take I can add some more to get the ones I want" < 1304621995 445445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no possible way to break this doubling sequence" < 1304622001 380415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... I ADD FIVE < 1304622020 50498 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye part 1 hello part 2 < 1304622020 900850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently doubling is essential to vibration. < 1304622026 54504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :source of all motion < 1304622028 471802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to to English now, regrettably. < 1304622039 177783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT TIL I'M BACK GUYS < 1304622040 462959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no keep going this is amazing < 1304622043 700627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im going on fuck you < 1304622048 700184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll enjoy it together monqy < 1304622060 905331 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad that he can't watch it :P < 1304622067 839408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're missing out on so much. < 1304622071 267518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so amazing < 1304622092 167205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity of deration < 1304622093 477652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently differentiation occurs after 64 cells are formed. < 1304622101 175315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds an axis < 1304622109 735642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to c to c to c is doubling < 1304622123 832706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, actually. < 1304622141 511435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I should really go now otherwise the computer will be snatched from my cold dead hands. < 1304622145 988198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes its caleld a chain reaction < 1304622148 39803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a geometric progresion < 1304622151 479935 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! < 1304622152 346205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example of doubling < 1304622155 308246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he just say neutrino rather than neutron < 1304622155 896466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binary code in computers < 1304622177 178516 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of .5 is .25 and 2+5 is 7 < 1304622186 828806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of one is point five and thus five < 1304622196 417670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :point one two five < 1304622198 70525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which equals eight < 1304622218 521527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :daaah i forget what the number is < 1304622251 805057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the spin continuum which the universe is on < 1304622262 643793 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe is on a treadmill < 1304622264 937894 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bounded infinity < 1304622331 915813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when i double thee. < 1304622333 966114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three < 1304622357 415667 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of 3 is 1.5 which is 6 < 1304622448 822358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nine is the queen of the chess game < 1304622457 649692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you double nine < 1304622463 891571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1304622466 204614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nine odubled is eighteen < 1304622468 833425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one plus eight is nine < 1304622469 63514 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304622470 724429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nine doubled is nine < 1304622471 652572 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304622473 323547 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304622475 41380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304622475 612986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304622484 471033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg nine is in a loop with itself < 1304622486 459190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kink < 1304622487 131551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1304622490 752632 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's polarizing the numbers < 1304622499 840794 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically this guy is in some weird obsession with summing all the digits of a number. < 1304622507 334995 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1304622510 336517 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because base-10 is perfection for some retard reason. < 1304622511 720722 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304622516 709023 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hisoteric < 1304622529 228498 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dang another board < 1304622530 920167 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#historectomy < 1304622533 653195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Digital roots, man. Common in numerology and computer science. < 1304622543 956875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication tables yay < 1304622555 795821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry for the primtive board < 1304622558 52569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive bored < 1304622558 333429 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So long as by "computer science" you mean "literally every field other than computer science and music" :P < 1304622561 36400 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 6 7 8 9 < 1304622600 841930 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, what board? < 1304622610 531251 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vortex math man < 1304622621 799684 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :url < 1304622621 988970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never any redundancy < 1304622629 414684 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :U R L < 1304622633 697405 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAO < 1304622635 389523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: part three yay < 1304622637 149104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is is ofun < 1304622638 219041 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should start at part 1. you should also start at the tedx talk. < 1304622642 607939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1251 is the equation for the Most Great Name. < 1304622642 797071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theabhakingdom 4 months ago 2 < 1304622643 902210 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pvuTZ5u6Kg < 1304622651 27833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no < 1304622652 549729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tedx talk first < 1304622664 986070 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even clicked that link, I was just giving a URL since you guys weren't :P < 1304622668 654858 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTPFXZMtOY < 1304622670 140716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is buffering badly :( < 1304622692 397910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see spirographs in the sidebar for advanced vortex math < 1304622697 204173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you looking forward to that expert level monqy < 1304622698 156149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i am < 1304622707 361490 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so looking forward to it < 1304622719 658695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by mirrors < 1304622720 997637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one and the eight < 1304622723 448068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont look like mirrsors < 1304622726 69212 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have 10 fingers you have .5 < 1304622730 370198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...haha what < 1304622732 188782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he say that < 1304622747 138224 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when 1 is positive going up 8 is negative going down < 1304622765 89175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :id listen to this shit like most people listen to podcasts < 1304622816 504344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one plus one is two < 1304622837 482138 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to know what 1251 means < 1304622843 911571 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from being the equation for the most great name < 1304622846 627430 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1304622849 368377 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Great Name < 1304622863 946557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its how you loop the multiplications or something i guess < 1304622881 277502 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it's zooming in < 1304622891 23944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant wait < 1304622907 383095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twelve, which is three < 1304622919 432627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could go to twetny but im back here < 1304622923 520966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keepin it real < 1304622945 145730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randy, Saturn has a hexagon on its surface, no one knows how it got there or why. < 1304622945 335021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to match. < 1304622945 335185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CliveSinclairZX 5 months ago < 1304622945 335292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never stop learning < 1304622945 335397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CliveSinclairZX 5 months ago < 1304622946 14246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reply < 1304622956 440588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Pythagoras' time, the number nine was not permitted to be named out loud, it was considered so powerful and sacred.. : ) < 1304622956 680596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jscotthales 1 month ago < 1304622971 630440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[it's sad that less than 1000 people have seen this. < 1304622971 819603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justin9Noble 6 months ago]] < 1304622972 317528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once < 1304622972 845989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1304622976 808555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1304622977 93766 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine was Yahweasel's former name. < 1304622979 128805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: < 1304622979 408962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's right! My friend and I just multiplied 9 by 30436 which = 273924 < 1304622979 826955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+7+3+9+2+4 = 27 ... 2 + 7 = 9!!! < 1304622980 16597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :krishnadefier 5 months ago 4 < 1304622980 877187 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now :( < 1304622986 668506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...:'( < 1304622990 445779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Gregor watching < 1304622992 277907 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :school is lame unlike vortex math < 1304622994 75527 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope :P < 1304622995 455740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ill wait for ph < 1304623001 376213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a buddy for vortex math < 1304623013 494485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is well known among working mathematicians that Earth has 4 corner simultaneous 4-day time cube. The conjecture that everything is a torus was disproved by Gauss in 1821 when he discovered the sphere." < 1304623016 555745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1304623029 486721 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're educated STUPID < 1304623043 905487 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your oneist faggot god. < 1304623050 731562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar like onanist < 1304623055 648088 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-ist < 1304623061 709230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304623074 98914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to obsessively refresh mspaintadventures.com instead < 1304623152 283325 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just hit my head with my knee < 1304623159 801770 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i did that once < 1304623161 791217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did it again because you quoted that < 1304623165 929285 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :White player failed to see the threat http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=123456+Chess&log=nwolff-cvgameroom-2011-95-172 < 1304623167 422082 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1304623167 701704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why kne... < 1304623168 812007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why... < 1304623170 47365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :knee < 1304623181 526973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my knee was like < 1304623182 251691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :durp < 1304623184 449925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres my chance for fame < 1304623185 314715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonk < 1304623189 389665 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i may suggest getting a better sitting position < 1304623201 841896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its a laptop its meant to be usable from any position duh < 1304623220 437583 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, _not_ that position. unless you're watching karma sutra porn. < 1304623232 376354 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott sitting on a chair with the laptop on the floor at his feet < 1304623236 455740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma < 1304623237 381825 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be really funny < 1304623237 665647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma sutra < 1304623241 702924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym kama < 1304623243 764235 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1304623246 42831 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304623250 65334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like a comprehensive film version of the kama sutra thatd be pretty quaint < 1304623268 832019 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my discover that muphry's law applies to clever quips seems to hold < 1304623271 141103 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1304623273 897507 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "quaint" < 1304623277 721626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah < 1304623282 729421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh them oldies trying on the pornography < 1304623283 813830 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ maybe i'm just shit at typing. < 1304623285 719751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cute < 1304623293 130651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how adorable < 1304623347 734024 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wouldn't know. < 1304623530 172388 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUIT messages seem to mislogged < 1304623548 370808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work sometimes but not all the time? < 1304623599 156001 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Gregor currently available? < 1304623619 444253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304623671 986605 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had his head bashed in by crystal-cola < 1304623687 58813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: raising the channel temperature i see < 1304623696 58201 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he does need to correct that problem. < 1304623696 349241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll end up on meaningless ignore next :D < 1304623717 969701 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just got to that point in the logs. < 1304623745 892068 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also e isn't here. < 1304623751 986989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed. < 1304623754 93863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did that happen. < 1304623785 391064 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll just check for eir QUIT message in the logs - OH WAIT < 1304623787 2539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no PART or QUIT in http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-05-05-raw.txt < 1304623799 71742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the channel-splitter is broken < 1304623804 850683 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1304623984 254880 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:45:07 --- quit: crystal-cola (Read error: Operation timed out) < 1304623987 294912 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from tunes < 1304624016 554042 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two minutes before i joined < 1304624035 136068 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1304624036 420853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many ranks should be needed in Profession (sailor) skill that a D&D character could be good enough to sometimes pull all the ropes at once if circumstances are correct? < 1304624048 160374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1304624052 311956 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it _is_ in the non-raw logs, you rascal < 1304624056 948319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1304624059 5264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i didnt check < 1304624061 242097 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:49:22: -!- crystal-cola has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). < 1304624066 70535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The tunes is working it displays QUIT messages all the time. But in glogbot logs, the QUIT message is only sometimes. < 1304624066 819496 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, many, many ranks. < 1304624078 169150 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but really, even the best sailors can't do that. stop dreamin' < 1304624104 740867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog mislocks other things to make up for i < 1304624105 149001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1304624107 227739 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: even after a while? i've noticed glogbot is sometimes slow to update < 1304624129 284234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even after a while that is the case < 1304624148 11940 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater15: Should fifty ranks be sufficient? < 1304624158 224737 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's impossible < 1304624160 121917 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically < 1304624172 351756 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1304624263 356553 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i suppose raw missing things that txt has is also disturbing < 1304624300 89433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Gregor currently on here and available? It doesn't look any of his message on here right now. < 1304624308 701596 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he spokes just minutes ago < 1304624326 997903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1304624328 170366 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 minutes, it seems < 1304624338 699407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it means I am too late < 1304624439 937364 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"late, as in late dentarthurdent" < 1304624465 694242 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1304624578 328532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the late zzo38 < 1304624621 734164 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm known for finding these situations hilarious and wonderful :P < 1304624637 298833 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you know why we don't make him a permanent op < 1304624651 601223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least we wouldn't get banfests :P < 1304624665 449793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for when he just wants to ban someone. < 1304624678 328791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someTHING. < 1304624876 521914 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee.. someone made yet another esoteric language: http://waterbearlang.com/ < 1304624876 807202 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304624987 284166 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304625029 599821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language that has a .com doesn't get to call itself esoteric :P < 1304625030 567544 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's a clone of one another language that has taken graphical direction < 1304625171 557066 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembering I were supposed to fix the damn editor model so it doesn't break my cockfiles. < 1304625264 585982 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank and file your cocks < 1304625313 582911 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's funny, but try hold it until I get this through. :) < 1304625333 999208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cockfile cockfile cockfile < 1304625357 480057 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cockjokes are getting old so fast and I need to resist a lot from changing that name. < 1304625393 304806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure oerjan would be happy to ban you if you took away his endless source of puns ;D < 1304625394 140 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I wouldn't bother. :) < 1304625557 100184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Lode Vandevenne still have account in the wiki? < 1304625630 684322 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: User:Aardwolf, but he hasn't edited for years < 1304625684 738437 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to know, because I used one of his programs (unrelated to esolang or to the wiki), called LodePNG. < 1304625725 37713 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I found LodePNG when looking on Wikipedia, actually.) < 1304625762 493450 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Aesculapius managed to contact him by email yesterday < 1304625791 472121 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the link on his website) < 1304625871 750022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Lode Vandevenne" article only lists esoteric programming languages he designed, nothing about anything else. < 1304625926 971445 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1304625951 665765 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's also old. hm. < 1304626079 487702 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG is C, C++, and also ported to D. I didn't have time or enough knowledge of the algorithms used to webify the program (i.e. convert to (Enhanced) CWEB), although it might be good idea to have that port too. But it is very good and I use the C version of LodePNG in my programs. < 1304626163 875187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(LodePNG has eight things that can be disabled in the header file; I disabled the last three of them, but if I need those in other programs I can enable them in those other programs.) < 1304626335 180830 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14C86E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304626544 855882 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304626714 422803 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304626773 657705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304627368 206148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Oracle vs. Google is getting amusing < 1304627393 463380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the judge said that Oracle and Google were both presenting way too many attacks/defences, and asked them to come up with a plan for cutting the number down < 1304627417 89446 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~chatzilla@p5B133C99.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304627417 545568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of you... be more wrong." < 1304627431 9937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both did, and gave values in the tens (Oracle's said that Google were allowed fewer prior art references than Oracle was allowed claims, meaning Google couldn't possibly defend against them all...) < 1304627447 338424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the judge rejected both, and said that Oracle is only allowed 3 claims, and Google 8 prior art defences against them (in total) < 1304627453 567899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt either side was expecting that < 1304627464 474449 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~chatzilla@p5B133C99.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304627477 41888 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14C86E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304627477 705585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that 129 of Oracle's claimed infringements have been thrown out outright, although Oracle gets to choose which 129 < 1304627494 893270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304627516 441259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question for comex, but there is no way to put it that won't be weird :/ < 1304627561 265536 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love weird. < 1304627627 653634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend (who I trust) apparently found an oldish iPod Touch that's locked with a... however they're locked. He wants to try to open it to see if there's any information so he can return it < 1304627716 985778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, that's why I said it was weird. It sounds like [and I guess it is kind of] a "how do I hack XYZ" type questions) < 1304628208 650576 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf sort of justice is that < 1304628269 555851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater15: I think the court was being sensible; the way patents work is that the inventor lists every possible use for the invention in the patent, then when they sue someone, point to what in particular they're violating < 1304628286 101412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, it's more or less the court asking "so what part of your patent did Google violate" and Oracle saying "all of it!" < 1304628286 523503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes comex hoping for a response, even if it's I can't/I won't/I can't and even if I could, won't < 1304628297 592734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 days of class remaining. < 1304628299 632358 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 5 tests. < 1304628343 138955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this response by the court was more or less "I don't believe you, and if Google is doing that much wrong, why don't you pick the most obvious abuses and get yourself an open and shut case?" < 1304628367 407232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net NICK :pikhq < 1304628457 355627 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if it's old, you can probably use some tool to jailbreak it < 1304628471 291747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, would that preserve the data on it? < 1304628478 847786 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that won't help by itself < 1304628515 661317 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this will work, actually: http://www.theiphoneguru.net/2010/11/01/guru-guide-remove-your-forgotten-iphone-password/ < 1304628696 714189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ty < 1304628707 150380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some jailbreaking methods won't require passcode and won't wipe data? < 1304628743 853941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, jb status may be unknown < 1304628860 463148 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've found an ipod once, it was owned by a girl, who left her undressed shots on it. < 1304628989 931731 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater15: That was a man. With fetishes. < 1304629050 76792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike patents in general. < 1304629142 28095 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was a girl. < 1304629142 968489 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater15: The scary part is that that comment was relevant to the "girl" who owned that iPod. The process by which he made himself look like a girl is patented. < 1304629178 477014 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ties up zzo38 and uses him as a battering ram against Gregor. < 1304629212 282674 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304629246 369462 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1304629297 34485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304630431 18740 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-152.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304630650 449079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn;kl/ < 1304630668 404203 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 16 intro to vortex math videos. that is too many. < 1304630690 533260 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/383690/ <- I changed my double-linked-list-using implementation into this kind of thing. < 1304630697 872426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: excuse me < 1304630701 851031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: were not only watching them < 1304630704 531483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were watching the advanced tier < 1304630709 560126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ... not today :D < 1304630715 570243 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watching advanced right now < 1304630723 178866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without even doing the intro < 1304630724 539052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you < 1304630727 360439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre not fucking prepared < 1304630729 168575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is irresponsible < 1304630730 379022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im disgusted < 1304630791 52999 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting my sleep now. but tomorrow I'm done assuming I don't waste as much time on playing games as I did today. < 1304630869 786117 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : youre not fucking prepared <-- i guess he got sucked in < 1304630877 995268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes never going to escape < 1304630881 2513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math vortex < 1304630938 120288 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys how do i inplement continuation passong style?? < 1304630980 406371 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean implement < 1304630983 896979 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all seriosity, I'm puzzling over how to write an interpreter for a nice and simple lambda calculoid with a callCC primitive. < 1304631007 800034 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um every function takes an extra argument, its continuation < 1304631052 819863 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the type of my reduce function going to be? PExpr -> (PExpr -> PExpr) -> PExpr, where the first argument is the expression to reduce and the second is the continuation? < 1304631066 692789 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The P is there for obvious reasons.) < 1304631094 97695 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this vortex math is too advanced < 1304631117 94742 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well assuming PExprs are used both for expressions and for results... < 1304631118 524087 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is he doing with his hands what is he tracing < 1304631123 613996 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the final program result < 1304631130 203986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304631135 562866 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep. < 1304631145 220588 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no printing here. < 1304631147 641901 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that should work. < 1304631197 567426 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might be more type safe to let the final program result be polymorphic, PExpr -> (PExpr -> a) -> a < 1304631202 715912 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swaps the order of these arguments, since the continuation really should be last. < 1304631222 433478 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then you won't accidentally return a result normally instead of passing it to the continuation < 1304631231 904558 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I think you're right. < 1304631260 473727 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that the continuation already was last. < 1304631271 349940 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304631278 209287 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was about to say < 1304631328 5763 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I changed the type signature to make the continuation first. :( < 1304631381 561139 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :My, this code looks very imperative. < 1304631391 421878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304631418 997817 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS is essentially monadic, you can more-or-less convert between those < 1304631448 725244 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between whose? < 1304631458 104523 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :between CPS and monadic style < 1304631462 393898 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Whose" is the plural of "what". Trust me.) < 1304631541 156921 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just pointing out one reason why it looks imperative < 1304631567 84376 :nescience!~myndzi@ma52036d0.tmodns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304631612 171064 :nescience!~myndzi@ma52036d0.tmodns.net PART :#esoteric < 1304631623 590878 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1304631629 59105 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: If you're using Haskell, you might want to use the CPS monad... < 1304631639 98682 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1304631651 437159 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Cont < 1304631651 857000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Cont r a = Cont { runCont :: (a -> r) -> r } < 1304631669 304305 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, well, continuations are pretty easy conceptually (and somewhat annoying code-wise) if you need to do it manually. < 1304631675 747342 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing you need is closures. < 1304631703 25780 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I'm not distinguishing between evaluated code and unevaluated code. Some code may end up evaluated many times. < 1304631709 532161 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1304631715 901649 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i noticed that < 1304631755 788052 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some unlambda scribblings i distinguished between expressions and functions < 1304631790 363366 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many Unlambda interpreters have you written? :P < 1304631832 761689 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee there was haskell, ocaml, a conversion into underload... < 1304631848 329894 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the self-interpreter (essentially meta-circular) < 1304631874 167865 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underload conversion i only mentioned in the channel since ais523 said he'd made a much simpler one < 1304631874 357054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never met a circular i didn't vortex < 1304631885 312085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you halve one you get five < 1304631890 763292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I deleted it by mistake < 1304631896 305725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WE ARE AWAY < 1304631898 955835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWARE < 1304631901 834796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are monitoring your actions < 1304631981 978177 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ocaml one was the first one where i used this type idea, which i then essentially translated to the underload < 1304632025 464375 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :initiating sleep patterns.. < 1304632059 763966 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best design patterns ever < 1304632076 499737 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304632077 642755 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Expr = Expr (Cont -> Func); data Func = Func (Expr -> Cont -> Func); newtype Cont = Cont (Func -> Func); < 1304632114 426566 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Func one uses Expr rather than Func because of unlambda's d function, it can be Func otherwise < 1304632182 701032 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait data should be newtype there too < 1304632195 349160 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to get only pure functions < 1304632219 865928 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and this ignores IO < 1304632233 856583 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ocaml and underload are both impure for that) < 1304632277 512603 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and those are haskell types nevertheless, i haven't touched ocaml for years ;D) < 1304632321 488167 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: anyway for unlambda Expr represents unevaluated code and Func represents evaluated code < 1304632334 68917 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neato. < 1304632399 672163 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing all the last -> Func's into -> MyMonad WhatEver should make it work in haskell with IO too < 1304632433 249968 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders what apply (PApp exprf exprx) expry cont is supposed to do. < 1304632443 407978 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you might want to mix in the "current character" data to get just -> IO () at the end < 1304632473 765413 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluate its arguments and then assume that the PApp became something that's not a PApp, I guess. < 1304632481 394664 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION modifies his program to make that assumption true. < 1304632499 742998 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: eval exprf $ \f -> eval exprx $ \x -> reallyApply f x cont < 1304632508 244930 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1304632522 295404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval for yourself < 1304632533 399934 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i missed expry < 1304632543 398568 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm fine doing it wrong. :P < 1304632553 957828 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were asking about the basic case < 1304632619 532212 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well if you distinguish unevaluated vs. evaluated, then apply (PApp exprf exprx) expry cont should be a type error < 1304632619 721363 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply (PApp exprf exprx) expry cont = error "Trying to apply an unevaluated function" < 1304632621 485418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antoine de saint-expry < 1304632648 879289 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exupery < 1304632655 799289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooosh < 1304632657 788787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh wait i missed expry < 1304632668 207924 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND AGAIN < 1304632679 146959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM CONFUSED < 1304632685 796242 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm just not expryenced < 1304632701 365106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1304632703 775056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean i actually won < 1304632707 4446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAAHAHAHHA YOU LOSE HODFGG < 1304632735 72166 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rule: the only way to counter a missed pun is to make an even worse one) < 1304632735 992413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I WIN WI I WIN I WIN I INW II WIN I INWIN II WNI < 1304632738 781555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIIIIIN < 1304632743 280988 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1304632748 926681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304632750 561538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you notice the < 1304632751 861012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUAL pun < 1304632756 180518 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. < 1304632762 631154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh wait i missed expry < 1304632769 289354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Expry < 1304632776 320307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[shades] < 1304632781 108220 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for the fun thing: apply PCallCC exprx cont < 1304632787 557471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shades < 1304632794 506809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shades shades shades < 1304632859 952966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i am dancign around dacene danece dansce danzsce < 1304632864 226967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won over oerjan woooon won < 1304632866 902080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :won won won won won won won < 1304632876 999985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonwonwonwonwonownownownownonwonwnwonownowownownwownownowowownwwnwnnownonwonownonownonwonow < 1304632879 475015 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess this is not a good time to ask wtf you mean by dual pun < 1304632889 114939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1304632890 239040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh wait i missed expry < 1304632890 518607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Expry < 1304632891 888886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expry wasmissing < 1304632894 841900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing left to take away < 1304632898 287843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :said by antoine de saint-EXPRY < 1304632904 107285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god im just too fucking deep for you jesus < 1304632918 585669 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. practically drowning, i say < 1304632923 4709 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: no safety checks are in place, and debugfs may fail in interesting ways if commands such as ls, dump, etc. are tried without specifying the data_source_device using the -d option. < 1304632930 161182 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"interesting ways" XD < 1304632954 983062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm darn sed fails on infinite lines i think < 1304632965 802511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]% python unpredictable.py | sed 's/X/o/g;s/__/w/g;s/_X/n/g;s/X_/o/g;s/XX/w/g' < 1304632966 692635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1304633030 646028 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrn2awk < 1304633045 657896 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: = apply exprx cont cont afaict < 1304633058 470802 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo type wrappers < 1304633061 723332 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply PCallCC exprx cont = error "I haven't written this yet" < 1304633065 333013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :antndsnt-expry < 1304633074 745150 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfection is achieved < 1304633077 125057 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that could easily be something like it. < 1304633081 31411 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when there are no more vowels to add < 1304633081 311537 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, it. < 1304633086 201152 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when there are no more vowels left to take away < 1304633096 740580 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i actually get slightly nervous about your not distinguishing evaluated and unevaluated code < 1304633107 541170 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts smashing shades indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633107 848840 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... debugfs is INSANELY slow. < 1304633112 807931 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I should probably be more nervous about that. < 1304633129 818228 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is debugfs THIS slow? < 1304633168 494042 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been running "icheck" for several very long minutes now < 1304633203 930824 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can an ext3 block be shared by multiple inodes? < 1304633218 999376 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how are your MORPHISMS < 1304633221 909132 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues smashing shades indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633241 47838 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mighty morphisms? < 1304633300 722907 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's tactic of ignoring me can only work perfectly for so long < 1304633302 106171 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues smashing shades indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633305 921480 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply PCallCC exprx cont = error "I haven't written this yet" < 1304633309 611365 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good start, don't you think? < 1304633330 899770 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1304633441 239848 :antndsnt-expry!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1304633445 559485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues smashing shades indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633466 397665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: do you think he will react one day : / < 1304633480 917838 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1304633484 535949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1304633485 609735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues smashing shades indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633500 675257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should call them limbless corpses of what once were shades at this point really < 1304633527 262130 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to be drawn into shady business < 1304633533 43497 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304633586 466955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304633589 87000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will not be tolerated < 1304633601 805882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :theshades < 1304633611 644669 :theshades!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues being smashed indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633621 263969 :theshades!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continue being smashed indiscriminately against oerjan's head < 1304633674 995222 :theshades!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1304633677 119230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shades... < 1304633678 137378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304633681 102089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...have left the building < 1304633712 762957 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to apply exprx to a reification of cont, I guess. Applying the reification to anything should cause the current continuation to be tossed out and the old one to be used. < 1304633838 864918 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply (RCont c) exprx = returnTo c exprx < 1304633849 53862 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sadly plain return is taken) < 1304633898 249800 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i guess PCont in your naming scheme < 1304633927 357155 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304633938 505933 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apply (PCont c) exprx cont = returnTo c exprx < 1304634077 972889 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did R come from? < 1304634085 653539 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reified < 1304634133 67106 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1304634136 268863 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply (PCont contx) exprx cont = contx exprx < 1304634136 458256 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply PCallCC exprx cont = reduce exprx $ \rexprx -> reduce (PApp exprx (PCont cont)) cont < 1304634139 498514 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye? < 1304634168 966486 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just have to write "lambdaSub sym rexprf rexprx". < 1304634193 532869 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no rexprx is already reduced < 1304634231 160759 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply PCallCC exprx cont = reduce exprx $ \rexprx -> apply rexprx (PCont cont)cont < 1304634248 819186 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you're right. < 1304634300 124308 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i thought apply should have _both_ first arguments already reduced? < 1304634322 68019 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first two < 1304634352 879933 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you were doing lazy evaluation, in which case callCC does not make sense... < 1304634353 299772 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does but need not. :P < 1304634353 489067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304634385 496730 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evaluates everything, even if we know that it's already been evaluated. < 1304634414 159317 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304634430 533393 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid? Of course not. Nothing I do is stupid. < 1304634436 352387 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1304634479 218577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1304634494 717953 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYPES MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU USE THEM? < 1304634539 513204 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Value = V (Value -> Bool) -- using this, we can encode anything < 1304634577 300893 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right... < 1304634606 357703 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :V $ const True, V $ const False, and so on from there < 1304634691 517294 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\v -> case (v . V $ const True, v . V $ const False) of ... < 1304634742 150247 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say 'A' is constantly true, and 'B' is constantly false. Then we can add two more values: 'C', which is true at 'A' and false at 'B', and 'D', which is false at 'A' and true at 'B'. Then... uh... < 1304634743 262549 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also that should clearly be a newtype < 1304634748 601982 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1304634795 109233 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: me and elliott discussed a haskell game based on such a scheme previously < 1304634842 343948 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two Value "warriors", each of which has to return True when passed itself and attempt to return False when passed the other < 1304634876 290242 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then maybe a hill like for bfjoust < 1304634923 686402 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrior x = x warrior -- this will work excellently against a perfect enemy < 1304634953 813850 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um no, the requirement to halt and return True when passed yourself is absolute < 1304634970 933271 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic disqualification if not < 1304635022 577933 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours would infloop then < 1304635105 721596 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then returning False for the other warrior wins unless it does the same < 1304635118 599372 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the same for you < 1304635135 28139 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't prove it doesn't return True. :P < 1304635141 148857 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can prove that easily, of course.) < 1304635236 968785 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't imagining a mathematically ideal contest setup you know < 1304635252 766328 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there will be timeouts and stuff < 1304635253 639854 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304635283 26044 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304635296 913646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even possible to pass a function itself in Haskell? I thought that didn't type < 1304635311 661935 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you need a newtype wrapper, is all < 1304635338 189671 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the above definition of Value < 1304635369 497569 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with s/data/newtype/, data is unnecessary) < 1304635425 772637 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the direct prohibition is only to prevent a lot of spurious errors from accidentally typing like missing a function argument and the like < 1304635710 407154 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell newtype Fix a = Fix {unFix :: Fix a -> a}; fix f = (\x -> f (unFix x x)) $ Fix (\x -> f (unFix x x)); main = print . take 50 $ fix (1:) < 1304635715 339115 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304635719 456383 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1] < 1304635723 643518 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1304635823 535441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1304635859 52975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can you get BBC World News where you are (I know it's a TV channel in Canada)? it's probably covering the elections today (including the AV referendum) right now < 1304635868 193524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polls closed a couple of hours ago, the votes are being counted at the moment (by hand) < 1304635878 511138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm watching it too, but it's a different channel in the UK < 1304635924 678526 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the AV referendum. < 1304635939 227261 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the more traditional definition of fix: fix f = x where x = f x? < 1304635942 456938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is the day; I voted Yes, as did most of my family, one of them by mistake < 1304635944 878706 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais < 1304635952 456741 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning to go to bletchley park this year < 1304635954 596938 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell fix f = x where x = fx; main = print . take 50 $ fix (1:) < 1304635958 836014 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1304635961 94345 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell fix f = x where x = f x; main = print . take 50 $ fix (1:) < 1304635966 64804 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the "No on AV" campaign. It was inconsistent and didn't support most of its points. < 1304635977 799585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question was really misleading; it was "The current form of voting in the UK is First Past the Post. Should we vote using the Alternative Vote system instead?" or something like that < 1304635985 303287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite a lot of people misread it as Yes = FPTP < 1304635986 543326 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a "no, I am not correct in thinking that". < 1304635993 702440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what effect that'll have on the voting < 1304635995 228246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater15: no < 1304636019 450412 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fizzie said there was a plan to do that < 1304636029 958952 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that change your mind in any way? < 1304636035 808953 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes it were a better voting system that were up on the ballot. < 1304636043 441574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there a bunch of esolangers going there? < 1304636052 618035 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304636057 978815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, possibly then < 1304636062 696401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still probably not < 1304636063 850580 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it affects me at all, *but* instant runoff has issues. < 1304636073 305543 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, fucktons better than FPTP. < 1304636114 741892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have issues, but they're mostly quite technical and hard to describe < 1304636131 518693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went and talked to the democracy people at the guild incessantly about what was wrong with it, but it was quite hard to phrase < 1304636134 773647 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, fucktons better than FPTP. < 1304636140 519549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more out of curiosity than anything, I didn't actually want to change it) < 1304636296 816015 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but the point of the Fix trick above is to write fix without using literal recursion, by using newtype to bypass the cyclic type prohibition < 1304636344 331393 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mmm. < 1304636440 859699 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what city do you live in? < 1304636481 321057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham UK < 1304636487 859639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's pretty large public knowledge by now < 1304636504 417819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with my email address showing I go to (in fact, work at) Birmingham University, and several other clues < 1304636711 929028 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also your code is failing because your where block doesn't end before the main < 1304636795 942043 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it on som BBC station? they might be webcasting < 1304636814 518530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC 2 in the UK, I think < 1304636822 889577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do webcast, but geographically filter < 1304636834 128941 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, blarg < 1304636834 688737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to go through a proxy in the UK < 1304636858 956377 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I don't care enough < 1304636877 974880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I watched the last election on BBC World News, as I was in Canada at the time < 1304636897 902966 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aaaah. < 1304636907 4276 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: An election is far more significant < 1304636912 346738 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, I'm in California and without a TV < 1304636924 426847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there's an election at the same time < 1304636927 480307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're being covered together < 1304636931 440918 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304636939 669712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a council election, though, not general election < 1304636962 249777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people are still very interested because they want to see just how badly the Lib Dems will do < 1304636991 855125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have voted for them if they had any chance, I think, but the voting system's still FPTP and so only votes for Labour and the Conservatives matter in my ward at the moment < 1304637012 123539 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Your university is on your Wikipedia page. < 1304637012 393447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also full elections in Scotland, Wales, and I think also Northern Ireland < 1304637019 632539 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304637023 251022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Wikipedia page again? < 1304637031 631216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was merged into the page about the turing machine < 1304637043 380707 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alex_Smith_%28The_Simplest_Universal_Computer_Proof_contest_winner%29 redirects to it. < 1304637053 39900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, redirect < 1304637061 868719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an absurd dab bracket, by the way < 1304637070 251328 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1304637181 77490 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do something else notable so that you can have a shorter one. < 1304637217 646226 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably something simple. < 1304637229 804326 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, prove P≠NP. :P < 1304637241 143205 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sir Alex Smith was born a Scottish industrial scientist and educator." Um... < 1304637243 103460 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"P and NP are clearly different strings. Ergo, P≠NP. QED" < 1304637251 183655 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know those positions were born into in Scotland. < 1304637276 619900 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Everything's done differently there. < 1304637283 958979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And English is a foreign language. < 1304637336 47704 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: of course. how did you otherwise think the scots managed to start the industrial revolution? < 1304637346 956779 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I see. < 1304637887 428752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304638034 66279 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Sgeo. < 1304638042 415316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1304639361 339402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it seems that the AV referendum votes will be counted tomorrow < 1304639393 976010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's the official results website of the people responsible for counting it: http://ukreferendumresults.aboutmyvote.co.uk/en/default.aspx < 1304639490 588174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ooh, I just found the official website that contains all UK law < 1304639494 347832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can read up on the relevant laws < 1304639499 117399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if there was one of those around < 1304639551 104436 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304639697 719907 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely doesn't contain all UK law. < 1304639709 28912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1304639721 367907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all the legislation that they could find, anyway < 1304639731 287323 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a number of Acts of Parliament which are lost forever. < 1304639919 951481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, we seem to be getting big swings Lib Dem -> SNP in Scotland, with Labour's share staying much the same; as a result, the SNP are gaining quite heavily on Labour < 1304639965 486061 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lex Caccii Viginti Duo < 1304639990 993993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ouch; if AV passes, then the rules for it are edited into law immediately but don't actually take effect until the next general election < 1304639997 914513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in between, people just have to remember they don't apply < 1304640006 612589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora would never have been that sloppy < 1304640022 552078 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is pretty standard < 1304640036 245990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still ridiculous, despite being standard < 1304640046 268909 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It gets more fun if they repeal that act < 1304640067 177519 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it un-amend the other act? < 1304640076 748835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they might do, as an act saying how to do a referendum on AV is a little irrelevant after the referendum's happened, and it doesn't give any provision for holding another one < 1304640086 357692 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blown up by the unamender < 1304640092 936520 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It has other stuff in it < 1304640095 825846 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't get repealed < 1304640101 485607 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus they wouldn't repeal it just because it does nothing < 1304640104 485287 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a silly reason < 1304640582 503048 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a country which doesn't even repeal laws just because it's impossible to know what the law actually said when copies of it still existed. :P < 1304641585 405923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: the journalist here was interviewing a Lib Dem MP as to why the Liberals were doing so badly in this election < 1304641618 560918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he said, more or less, that it's the first time in 70 years the Liberals were trying to do an election while actually in government, and they didn't have a lot of practice < 1304641721 143957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) A constituency shall not have an area of more than 13,000 square kilometres. (2) A constituency does not have to comply with rule 2(1)(a) if— (a) it has an area of more than 12,000 square kilometres, and (b) the Boundary Commission concerned are satisfied that it is not reasonably possible for the constituency to comply with that rule. < 1304641733 862136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't (2)(a) completely redundant there? < 1304641761 310190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I don't think constituencies with areas less than 12000 square kilometers are particularly worried about also having to have areas less than 13000 square kilometers < 1304641961 383275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, a girl kissed me, not on the lips, but close < 1304641978 850512 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um since when is (1) and 2(1)(a) the same thing? < 1304641993 739269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it was TA-TK. And there was a smell of smoke. Then again, the bus was crowded, it might have been someone else. < 1304642012 917486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, good point < 1304642695 487597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how the hell did this law end up 287 pages long? < 1304642708 112862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardly be expected to learn all the laws, so as to be able to comply with them, if they're that long < 1304642729 124386 :another!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304642732 886541 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1304642743 964169 :another!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable < 1304642768 591057 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-232.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304642789 999211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, it seems that Birmingham overwhelmingly voted No in the AV referendum, despite my attempts < 1304642803 338679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just have to hope that other parts of the country are saner, now, but I don't have much hope < 1304642852 983752 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304642866 912706 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-21.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304643045 806640 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bfjous < 1304643047 116590 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bfjout < 1304643048 576517 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bfjoust < 1304643053 535939 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1304643054 209027 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1304643058 895521 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1304643073 124755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, see if you can beat slowpoke < 1304643170 570245 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hang on a sec < 1304643176 265957 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doubts I could beat slowpoke < 1304643222 512306 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def prefixes (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S < 1304643222 721593 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def < 1304643227 891374 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S < 1304643228 80475 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1304643275 866599 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^addinterp prefixes underload (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S < 1304643280 96376 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp prefixes underload (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?)S < 1304643280 356205 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it considers the two possible cases < 1304643281 226080 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter prefixes installed. < 1304643286 202989 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1304643286 392027 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? < 1304643287 156210 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304643287 416351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the AV thing Britain, or some other ... thing similar, such as UK, or what? < 1304643290 935744 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes < 1304643292 85691 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? < 1304643304 766353 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>+<) < 1304643305 722479 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1304643307 164061 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: UK. < 1304643313 601879 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust testing_something (>+<) < 1304643321 502999 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_testing_something: 4.3 < 1304643321 761746 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Britain is an island. < 1304643372 218174 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' >bin/prefixes < 1304643372 598203 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i entered and was greeted with a cough and " thief." in there. < 1304643374 612972 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' >bin/prefixes < 1304643375 818153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you have a lot of time and want to lose faith in humanity: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/102687/Electoral-reform-question-testing-full-report.pdf < 1304643387 667457 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1304643391 896545 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' >bin/prefixes < 1304643392 85762 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thus the build broke. < 1304643393 497440 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643401 25937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: but the adjective of "UK" is "British", which is really confusing < 1304643404 825410 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/prefixes < 1304643405 425910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, England could be said to have no parliament. < 1304643406 325277 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643409 575077 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1304643411 74660 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643417 833712 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/prefixes < 1304643419 514455 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643430 133362 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1304643438 502472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike the other constituent countries of the UK, it does not have a parliament of its very own.) < 1304643454 590788 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does % do in bfjoust? < 1304643456 240957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most MPs in the UK parliament are elected by English people < 1304643473 624857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: there's a description on the wiki, http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1304643488 568227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, (a{b}c)%n = (a)*n b (c)*n < 1304643499 761201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as an odd legal formality, England has a parliament which just makes laws for the entire UK. < 1304643503 39718 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking UK. < 1304643505 6326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage of % is that it lets the brackets match correctly, as you can't have mismatched brackets < 1304643509 886756 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' < 1304643510 130367 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it may assume that these cells are dead unless otherwise specified. what do you mean < 1304643511 446229 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643513 535948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it's more complicated than that due to devolution < 1304643524 985570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK government, some of the laws it makes affect the whole country, some affect only England and Wales < 1304643534 34208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: s/makes laws/has the capacity to make laws/ < 1304643534 684662 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo \'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' < 1304643536 383512 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643536 572851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there may be a few thing that are England-only, too < 1304643541 983146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: err, right, yes < 1304643544 123170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*few things < 1304643554 341913 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' < 1304643556 42563 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? < 1304643580 130105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK has such a *fascinatingly* complicated system of government. < 1304643588 419389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: indeed < 1304643593 568670 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '\'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?\'' < 1304643595 478233 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643610 687100 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?" < 1304643612 516849 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643647 728321 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>)*8([-]>)*3[.++-*10]+[[]]<<>([]-) < 1304643647 917399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some felt the sentence was long and they had to re-read it (often more < 1304643648 108133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :than once) to be sure they had understood what it was asking and that < 1304643648 108227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were marking the response they wished to. " < 1304643648 793749 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1304643653 3514 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust kk_1 (>)*8([-]>)*3[.++-*10]+[[]]<<>([]-) < 1304643656 363476 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_kk_1: 1.0 < 1304643659 468914 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1304643667 272615 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1304643672 763055 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust kk_2 ([-]>)*3[.++-*10]+[[]]<<>([]-) < 1304643676 971234 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for variable_kk_2: 13.9 < 1304643700 149205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that he's being "elitist" and shuts up < 1304643800 505783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone shouuld have made a website where people play with voting in both systems < 1304643801 80337 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Bot prefixes: fungot \^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot \!, lambdabot \@ or \?" < 1304643802 860134 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot \^, HackEgo `, EgoBot \!, lambdabot \@ or \? < 1304643814 359411 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates the term "elitist" < 1304643826 478261 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly as used in American politics. < 1304643833 457484 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HE WENT TO COLLEGE! THE ELITIST!" < 1304643844 896601 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?'" < 1304643845 85891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I WANT ONLY MORONS IN OFFICE!" < 1304643846 500952 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' < 1304643856 425984 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?'" >/bin/prefixes < 1304643858 185328 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643865 494954 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/prefixes < 1304643867 104445 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643872 5965 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1304643873 452426 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643883 104360 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1304643885 803977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, questions for referrendums should probably be phrased so the lowest common denominator can understand them < 1304643890 362554 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/prefixes < 1304643891 892879 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643907 550901 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch bin/prefixes < 1304643908 962332 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643910 542001 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/prefixes < 1304643912 90565 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/prefixes < 1304643912 870888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should strive to increase the lowest common denominator, then, shouldn't we? < 1304643926 904057 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1304643933 626962 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo \`, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?'" >bin/prefixes < 1304643935 55393 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643938 748586 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/prefixes < 1304643940 401998 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643944 507850 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1304643946 117886 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643956 827441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading this whole report < 1304643961 688413 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/prefixes < 1304643963 536325 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' < 1304643980 529295 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run prefixes 2&>1 < 1304643981 325509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implication I get from it is that elections taken using AV would be decided essentially at random < 1304643982 234797 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304643991 293640 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run prefixes 2>&1 < 1304643992 683746 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.18692/bin/prefixes: error while loading shared libraries: /tmp/hackenv.18692/bin/prefixes: invalid ELF header < 1304643999 614035 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304644000 433912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the huge number of people misunderstanding the rules causing enough noise to swamp the signal from those who do < 1304644032 920055 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... Dubious. < 1304644053 267182 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, it can't be any worse than the damned people who seem to fail at "Pick one of the following:". < 1304644062 767687 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, how the *hell* do you fail at that?) < 1304644066 167097 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' | cat - bin/prefixes >bin/prefixes2 < 1304644067 918317 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304644072 716442 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/prefixes2 < 1304644074 198075 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ echo 'Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?' < 1304644093 81078 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin/prefixes2 bin/prefixes < 1304644094 894613 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304644098 534388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: typically, the results we've been seeing so far is around 100 spoilt ballots out of about 20000 votes total < 1304644099 954759 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/prefixes < 1304644101 784488 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304644106 7158 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1304644107 580337 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? < 1304644111 411731 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1304644131 521943 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wow, Britons are much much smarter than Americans. < 1304644158 280154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, only about 30 of those are typically an attempt to vote for multiple candidates < 1304644165 378304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest were mostly rejected for being blank < 1304644175 877731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for being too ambiguous to tell what they meant < 1304644184 146840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Remember, the 2000 election came down to a debate over how to count poorly filled-out ballots. < 1304644212 505998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiiich was decided on the basis of "5 Republicans vs. 4 Democrats in the Supreme Court". < 1304644214 154967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way ambiguous ballot resolution works in the UK, is that the counters put ballots that aren't clear-cut into a separate pile, and the candidates agree who they're votes for or if they're spoilt, with some sort of tiebreak if they can't) < 1304644247 71367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the candidates get to watch the count and can challenge the placement of any ballot if they want, although it seems unlikely anyone checks /all/ of them) < 1304644296 473715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if the election's close, the counters go over the piles again looking for miscounted votes, and they keep repeating it until the likely error becomes smaller than the difference in the votes; if there's only 4 votes in it or whatever, the counting can go to four or five rounds as everyone makes sure all the ballots are in the right piles) < 1304644377 720396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seaside or AIDA/Web? < 1304644494 100247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the BNP came above the Liberal Democrats in one of the seats in Wales < 1304644507 804773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... makes no sense < 1304644517 817812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Labour won it, but that was inevitable given the seat in question) < 1304644614 159361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“No, that means that .... let me think this right..... it just means that if everyone in the UK put an X, it means they don’t want the UK .... let me read this again ... that means no, they don’t want the UK to adopt the ....it means no, you don’t want the UK to have it. Does that mean there would be no MPs then?” < 1304644685 438010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out why all the seats that have declared so far were held by Labour beforehand < 1304644691 82588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of big coincidence? < 1304644703 621299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are Labour voters faster at counting? < 1304644712 451056 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304644805 461530 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304644826 981941 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304644887 398176 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304644889 169539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304644896 485003 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304644938 13648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304645052 990703 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo \''test""`!'`' < 1304645054 560476 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304645064 170455 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo \''test""`!'\' < 1304645065 879259 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'test""`!' < 1304645160 320158 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304645291 170009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you apply to be on Electoral Commission focus groups? < 1304645327 637171 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a focused way < 1304645357 274762 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304645935 985392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ooh, good news in Somerset, it seems that the vote count is 2:1 in favour of AV there, according to people watching the count < 1304645960 641048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*South Somerset < 1304645979 679982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the count's being done officially tomorrow, presumably some people couldn't resist starting to count it now < 1304646031 954868 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1304646059 252378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham is apparently overwhelmingly against AV, though < 1304646062 112004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I voted in favour < 1304646124 396847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the animated election logo that the BBC uses is hilarious, because it shows a selection of constituencies as colored bars with who owns then, so it's nearly all red/blue/orange with one green bar because there's one Green Party MP < 1304646130 526347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks really out of place < 1304646206 409413 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't easy being green < 1304646221 828185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1304646244 171448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was shocked when it happened, mostly because I had no idea that there was a constitutency where the Greens could actually win < 1304646258 29565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were clearly targeting that specific constituency very strongly, though < 1304646282 673355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably certain they scoured the whole country to find the constituency where they were most likely to be elected, then focused all their efforts there < 1304646303 951247 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304646335 659446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no coincidence that the Green Party MP who was actually elected also happened to be the leader < 1304646425 920830 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shuffling "important" people into "safe" districts happens in norway too < 1304646450 588431 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes with a bit of protesting from the locals < 1304646556 429918 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Venstre (no. Liberal democrats) who crashed in the last election managed to lose their party leader's seat but not a couple of the others < 1304646592 226455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: some bad news: apparently the bookies are offering odds of 1-16 on FPTP winning, although they do get election odds quite wrong sometimes < 1304646607 414160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the Greens didn't have any seats in the UK < 1304646611 164043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was a different sort of shuffling < 1304646624 4058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to shuffle someone into the seats most dangerous to the other parties, rather than safest for themselves < 1304646649 696371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time Labour tried to shuffle someone into a really safe seat, the person who was there beforehand stood anyway as an independent and won, which is hilarious < 1304646649 971019 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304646663 50076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that they liked the candidate in particular, rather than the party < 1304646842 774914 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304646924 456356 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :endangering larger parties doesn't work for tiny parties in norway, the 4% cutoff for "evening out" means the larger parties get their seats anyhow while the tiny ones _must_ win a county seat < 1304646985 401186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the UK is FPTP at the moment, so the practical cutoff is 25% for a party other than the main 3, and only if the main 3 are tied < 1304646991 270566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only has to manage it in one seat, not in the country as a whole < 1304647033 507141 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304647730 555745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow are the SNP dominating < 1304647740 180530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Scotland, that is < 1304647749 685602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that they wouldn't do awfully in England either, but they generally don't run there < 1304647752 214048 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :save nessie partie < 1304647754 753947 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1304650682 547898 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Our Green leader was elected in her own riding which was also the riding most likely to elect any green given the communities' (well-deserved, mind you) reputation for being 'hippy' < 1304650841 40242 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304650942 54820 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-183.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304652109 783192 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304652112 775871 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304652259 974716 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304652292 967179 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304652294 153011 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304652392 28460 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304652598 940559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a canvas fro building HTML." < 1304652644 535390 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1304652889 398462 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304653025 692739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally gets around to watching FLCL < 1304653038 592964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I find myself singing along to the soundtrack. < 1304653051 770842 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304653270 961930 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ the pillows. < 1304653847 70867 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1304654002 776684 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1304658726 516092 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304658734 313479 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if you figure out what exactly is going on < 1304659114 20187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably take me a while. < 1304659367 528782 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304659641 564840 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304663887 553081 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304663889 640613 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-170-247.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304664892 875755 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-232.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: Tschau < 1304664953 462817 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304665173 170930 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-170-247.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304665189 837449 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-170-247.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304665296 414495 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304665664 18364 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304665719 375881 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304668360 172327 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304668373 911362 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any activity in here? < 1304668456 945030 :cheater15!~cheater62@ip-80-226-226-211.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1304668482 371821 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such thing < 1304668573 164064 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been hoping to catch some good discussion in this channel. In the three times I've tried, nothing has been happening < 1304668619 639950 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is about the worst time of day < 1304668701 876579 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured < 1304668762 777840 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why yall in here then if nothing is going on. Ir is it just that common to be in a channel when its dead < 1304668775 433803 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or* < 1304668790 335315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is often dead, people normally idle until a conversation starts up < 1304668807 624549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to start one yourself is the surest way to get a conversation going, but you have to be quite good at conversing to get it to continue < 1304668813 752296 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you reccoment any interesting channels? < 1304668891 626338 :Slush-!~Slush-@s83-177-28-44.cust.tele2.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ObviosoXI: conversation here seems to take place at night (at my local time) < 1304668923 384018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's 9am for me at the moment, I've been up all night < 1304668940 412148 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 1:01AM here < 1304669009 237092 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1304669079 959891 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking recently about all the different models of civilizations history that I have heard before < 1304669180 970883 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course different people perscribe to different naratives of history < 1304669228 57446 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in my experience, people tend to hold onto the models of history they were primarily taught or raised believing < 1304669345 837233 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1304669391 263017 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aside from explaining how people have and deal with these models < 1304669423 720231 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of models or history and/or reality do you all subscribe to? < 1304669427 530562 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF2BE.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304669441 128302 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of* < 1304669517 621912 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to throw that question out there incase any one cared to share < 1304669518 807871 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF36C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304669666 435960 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version of our human history are you fascinated by? < 1304669681 205112 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a better way to put it < 1304670021 378450 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g-night < 1304670024 358313 :ObviosoXI!473ba33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.59.163.63 PART :#esoteric < 1304670174 698189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304671872 582060 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304672652 423473 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : cheater: how do i shot web? well, first you need to get a bite from a radioactive tim berners-lee < 1304673710 164676 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304676041 574218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1304798142 277973 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304798142 355782 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304798151 386026 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SET A TO (insert ascii code for / here) < 1304798154 986426 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you say SET [ascii code of A] TO [ascii code of A] < 1304798157 537506 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT ZA < 1304798163 332313 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be read as < 1304798166 27071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PUT Z/" < 1304798183 242737 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes, and that has no effect < 1304798191 779765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, what if A is already rebound? < 1304798199 383015 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would allow you to reset A to A, correct? < 1304798200 33235 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304798203 108763 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1304798209 731499 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If A has been bound to, say, Z < 1304798217 427745 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SET A TO A" is read as "SET Z TO Z" < 1304798235 524842 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please see the code block at the end of here: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator#Fundamentals < 1304798254 273774 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SET SIXTYFIVE TO SIXTYFIVE < 1304798256 299502 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1304798261 718283 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(65=ascii code of A) < 1304798264 607056 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1304798272 165233 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would < 1304798390 284825 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And newlines are only split once? < 1304798435 376217 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum value a variable can store? < 1304798436 369208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :255? < 1304798467 985572 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 8-bit < 1304798471 793123 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it works on ASCII < 1304798497 539131 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWOHUNDREDTHIRTYONE < syntax looks like that? < 1304798512 531092 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWOHUNDREDANDTHIRTYONE < 1304798518 271462 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not American :P < 1304798534 330166 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304798538 576738 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304798560 815067 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304798570 547151 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes writing eval hard < 1304798575 971836 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 chars is not a lot < 1304798581 966333 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't use all of them... < 1304798591 7459 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you only want to use it once < 1304798732 113190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. < 1304798740 791603 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your NOP makes me want to cry. < 1304798746 689054 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia < 1304798752 103689 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a NOP < 1304798756 743182 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something much easier < 1304798762 213839 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "/" < 1304798777 73663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to compile the language. < 1304798777 398616 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1304798785 504907 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Give up already < 1304798787 403609 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304798788 533668 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, no. < 1304798799 978810 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304798809 344004 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I said about only splitting lines once < 1304798816 403494 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just my flawed interpreter < 1304798834 691980 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the reference. < 1304798835 708846 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you did things "right", you wouldn't split at the start < 1304798840 373537 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh I guess < 1304798887 598586 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304798897 15902 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a bigger challenge to compile it than to write it. < 1304798901 319882 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like challenges. < 1304798907 899047 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304798911 123747 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1304798921 160217 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I challenge you to implement a C compiler in DevPerc < 1304798926 650749 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even better < 1304798933 594633 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A devperc interpreter in devperc < 1304798936 134956 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EVEN BETTER < 1304798942 390397 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler for devperc in devperc < 1304798943 639179 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304799065 213326 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304799078 76608 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could compile to x86, if you write evil self-modifying code I bet. < 1304799088 790720 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304799096 708815 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, go ahead. compile it. < 1304799262 915433 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. now I've got regexes that can parse it. < 1304799280 339032 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet needing little bit of things.. < 1304799281 989065 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: parse what? < 1304799288 584414 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :command language < 1304799292 401202 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, simplest solution would be the following: < 1304799306 340935 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 "calculate how it would change, in advance" < 1304799308 169700 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. have a writable code segment, with each command taking up a constant space, padded with NOPS < 1304799309 575731 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1304799312 534436 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. store the source code < 1304799327 342418 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>store the source code < 1304799328 826133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. calculate which variables affect which lines < 1304799331 947757 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>store the source code < 1304799333 984862 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>store the source code < 1304799354 950820 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. when a variable is changed, recompile all affected lines < 1304799360 245719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New York officials disagreed, and in January 2007 issued regulations that would prohibit shocking New York students for minor infractions. But a group of New York parents filed a federal lawsuit to stop the state from enforcing these regulations." < 1304799368 44024 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Lymia < 1304799371 506551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not compiled < 1304799372 7773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK humanity seriously what is wrong with us. < 1304799387 46448 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a JIT < 1304799399 960429 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, failing that, you could do what you suggested. < 1304799411 174776 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Give up "? < 1304799424 443541 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"calculate how it would change, in advance" < 1304799442 11047 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304799443 162928 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If teachers can't shock our kids, WHO WILL? < 1304799444 584834 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1304799460 950284 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible if I use the GET command < 1304799467 25898 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you do not know what the input will be < 1304799485 737539 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what variables GET could be used on. < 1304799656 651987 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why does that matter? < 1304799676 972181 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input could change how the code executes. < 1304799696 420761 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You CAN'T compile this: < 1304799705 658832 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, how exactly does PERCOLATE WHILE X/CIRCULATE work? < 1304799720 483688 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304799727 889183 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the while statement in a program? < 1304799733 764640 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, in any other language < 1304799737 738257 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, wait. < 1304799747 823355 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those have to be matched, right? < 1304799753 331919 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1304799781 57663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if they become mismatched by the variables in question being changed. < 1304799786 520224 :Plazma!~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma JOIN :#esoteric < 1304799792 260093 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the commands look for their counterparts? < 1304799794 802582 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do* < 1304799827 281488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit what happened to elliott. < 1304799833 243688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god Freenode staff. < 1304799837 910423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE HIDE THE DRUGS < 1304799850 127480 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hmm < 1304799881 833521 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a great idea < 1304799898 34712 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I can't think of whether to look for counterparts or remember line number < 1304799911 755138 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will remove that statement. < 1304799927 509934 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes the language even smaller :D < 1304800066 712624 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304800106 42970 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encounter a variable that's not A-Z, space, or / in a statement, it's a syntax error, right? < 1304800121 12232 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct < 1304800130 815698 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or \n, in a good interpreter < 1304800142 152667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1304800147 339209 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also < 1304800151 731680 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PUT statement < 1304800155 481433 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can figure out how to compile the language once you release a reference. < 1304800166 680460 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DEFINE statement < 1304800167 945273 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is probably completely and utterly crazy: autoconf + tup, away! < 1304800171 346202 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GET statement < 1304800184 211236 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually any expression where you use a variable name < 1304800211 883184 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the value of that variable, then finds the variable named with that value < 1304800225 139069 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304800229 278599 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I figure you guessed that already < 1304800233 452478 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A PLUS ONE TO A? < 1304800252 552820 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that work? < 1304800275 702979 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, um. < 1304800277 275482 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.... < 1304800278 148680 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304800282 237957 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1304800282 412208 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304800284 531717 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you write PUT $ < 1304800291 904455 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304800297 109921 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error. < 1304800301 301671 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You're banned from my bots. < 1304800304 407370 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, like, all eternity. < 1304800305 150517 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1304800308 269256 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, k. < 1304800308 526098 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you said PUT A < 1304800319 567449 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can bind A to, say, $, correct? < 1304800320 285146 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304800320 692841 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A was defined as the ascii code for $, it would output $ < 1304800334 61254 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: so you would need to do something like this: < 1304800341 458442 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so. < 1304800343 232338 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work. < 1304800350 245985 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the line is first read, A would be replaced with '$' < 1304800361 464877 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the statement "PUT $" which would be a syntax error. < 1304800362 134988 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1304800362 765028 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1304800366 910696 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need to do this: < 1304800371 838121 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE B TO A < 1304800379 737458 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A TO (ascii code for $ here) < 1304800381 300261 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT B < 1304800389 812610 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304800392 668320 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacements arn't recursive? < 1304800398 454954 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1304800413 315846 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's helpful. < 1304800433 322286 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I thought the code block at the end of Fundamentals would have already made that clear < 1304800460 381697 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, unmarked line numbers, and a line number based jump? < 1304800460 722034 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate. < 1304800472 149129 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304800480 874151 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umarked line numbers. < 1304800484 594971 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I hate you all. < 1304800494 667976 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also makes compiling hard < 1304800499 608356 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you inserted a newline < 1304800500 207862 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A line number based jump when, according to you, a good interpreter is supposed to allow setting to new line to work/ < 1304800505 75397 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollface.jpg < 1304800511 808562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yep. < 1304800530 491203 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do what the reference does~ < 1304800531 30113 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=3 < 1304800535 220049 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good interpreter, by the way, shouldn't split the lines when it starts < 1304800539 186038 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine does, but that will change < 1304800547 25677 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm warning you < 1304800562 412775 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *will* read char by char until encountering a newline < 1304800572 415097 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollface.jpg < 1304800583 284066 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how are you planning on implementing GOTO. < 1304800595 747997 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting newlines < 1304800746 453933 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! my parser runs. :) < 1304800834 277798 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384801 < 1304800842 269264 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now that I stopped being distracted by you, Lymia, I am actually working on expression parsing < 1304800846 71824 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not commands, expressions < 1304800857 804827 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "TWO TIMES FOUR" < 1304801076 756217 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :little bug there. fixed. < 1304801088 773196 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can go rampage. < 1304801258 722714 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of wonder why there aren't assembly languages that do something similar. < 1304801279 10743 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1304801285 888347 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression parsing works < 1304801288 86244 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.. sort of concise syntax that behaves like madbollocks. < 1304801509 447367 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, well. < 1304801522 702275 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have kind of an idea how to do it, but no idea how to do it efficiently. < 1304801549 789961 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1304801557 224740 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so, there are only so many permutations of word lengths that are valid, right? < 1304801579 286812 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for each of those permutations, there are only a few commands that fit. < 1304801598 295152 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, take a string, and find all valid ways to split the string into these valid permutations. < 1304801612 149076 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile each of these, and generate a block of code that selects the correct one, or errors. < 1304801643 190554 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It is surprisingly *easy* to make tup and autoconf cooperate. < 1304801668 603411 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only remaining challenge is PROCEED TO. < 1304801755 447916 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304801770 880312 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start, strip out all existing comments. < 1304801783 568286 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: As much as you are sure you can compile this < 1304801786 865809 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sincerley doubt it < 1304801789 302704 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And split according to new liens, as new lines cannot be destroyed. < 1304801791 86517 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good luck. < 1304801799 490995 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines* < 1304801918 659346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, there's nothing stopping you, if you're willing to accept huge executable and long compile time. < 1304801953 7717 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, uh, wait. < 1304801966 11682 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program can only be 256 lines total then? < 1304801969 76617 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304801973 905928 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1304801980 374552 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1304801987 80938 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, now that you mention it < 1304802007 305294 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it that GOTO only reaches through 256 lines? < 1304802016 350602 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304802023 592981 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would only go to line 255 < 1304802029 392550 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(counting from 0) < 1304802039 46620 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1304802050 165176 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's futile writing a program that long in this stupid language < 1304802080 762265 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it'd be a good challenge to see if I can get something compiling. < 1304802091 642852 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304802098 268142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/school-shock?page=6 < 1304802109 739028 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reason to have that NOP? < 1304802121 959010 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none, really < 1304802127 419603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this is seriously like something out of a dystopian novel. < 1304802139 521568 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's remove it < 1304802166 824293 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT A TO STDIO isn't part of Commands. < 1304802168 752595 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed < 1304802171 531952 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1304802172 318970 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, the TO X part. < 1304802178 583095 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304802182 130061 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed it recently < 1304802196 912925 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realising, as it's for UNIX, I don't need TO FILE < 1304802227 276533 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed. < 1304802252 285840 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use # instead of / < 1304802253 110453 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1304802383 491957 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All (valid) commands are enumerable, right? < 1304802413 45575 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, quick question. < 1304802418 217279 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is A PLUS RANDOM valid? < 1304802434 249835 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304802437 478649 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304802446 764891 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304802465 553168 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you "can't" nest expressions, you can actually nest RANDOM < 1304802476 341396 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the stupid way I am implementing this < 1304802482 682079 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304802486 151617 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random is in essence a value. < 1304802493 917196 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's an expression < 1304802518 362135 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You "can't" nest expressions because I limited max length to 3 < 1304802527 832285 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes parsing easier < 1304802587 147395 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to implement order of operations, basically < 1304802638 282360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does something stupid < 1304802671 678699 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup sgeo < 1304802679 5155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304802691 740222 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing that is so stupid, Sgeo? < 1304802695 741613 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Sgeo is stupid because he did something stupid < 1304802721 103691 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Sgeo is smart < 1304802724 351525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53, texting someone who.. likes me, I think, but I'm not so sure that I like her < 1304802726 323301 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee.. again lost my cockfile but fixed it this time. < 1304802742 88897 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why would you not like her? < 1304802787 456333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides her .. not being so bright, perhaps, at least when it comes to programming... I think she smokes. She kissed me (near, but not on the lips) and then I smelled smoke < 1304802799 662412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, there were a lot of people around, maybe one of them was smoking before < 1304802837 387686 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304802843 346720 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1304802851 902196 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoking is a good reason to be put off < 1304802853 255192 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so. < 1304802864 670107 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what they say < 1304802865 576035 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, there are 26+256+1 possible values, right? < 1304802867 510886 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if she smokes, she pokes < 1304802880 427864 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if she doesn't poke, she doesn't smoke? < 1304802885 215664 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask her if she's a smoker < 1304802890 673002 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: eh? < 1304802891 17027 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tell her you are not < 1304802896 81557 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 256 < 1304802900 106014 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. < 1304802900 610223 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :she'll keep brushing her teeth and you'll be comfortable. < 1304802902 865001 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible expressions. < 1304802911 644431 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1304802916 52965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how "she pokes" can be a euphemism for anything other than her being male < 1304802918 48004 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The variables, RANDOM, and constants. < 1304802918 754904 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she won't, and you'll have more of a reason to believe she doesn't care about you. < 1304802932 690598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: and expressions... < 1304802939 769060 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X EQUALS Y < 1304802943 427800 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1304802943 504586 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, "pokes herself with male organs" < 1304802948 169261 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1304802964 844128 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. maybe that never gets old < 1304802969 711443 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1304802979 697907 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with my cockfiles ^^ < 1304802984 168434 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just confront her with it if it bothers you so much :p < 1304803020 769412 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304803023 722982 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :560906 possible expressions? < 1304803040 428997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 26+256+1 < 1304803046 854395 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+(a*a)*7 < 1304803105 780604 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a language with a finite number of expressions be TC? < 1304803121 397630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: sure < 1304803134 310542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm has only a finite number of expressions, and it's TC if you use bignums < 1304803149 56208 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but asm can address any address < 1304803166 648737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about BF? < 1304803170 405435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you just limit it to a finite set of registers, it's still TC with bignums with program counter and two general-purpose < 1304803179 165106 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it an infinite number of expressions in fact < 1304803183 84445 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304803184 195356 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304803190 518791 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: why do you care about the number possible? < 1304803196 544262 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, just curious. < 1304803204 339716 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i dunno if you can say bf has a finite number of expressions? < 1304803212 228022 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, then. < 1304803213 772263 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of possible expressions. < 1304803215 496732 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LOT. < 1304803222 849309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 two expression commands, 2 one expression commands. < 1304803225 869007 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can a language with a finite number of programs be TC? < 1304803233 662281 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no < 1304803241 48814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: IMO yes, although that's a definitional problem < 1304803244 946551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304803245 666332 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304803248 150224 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304803249 851048 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is surprised at how autoconf + tup is actually *not* horrific < 1304803253 162917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if the only avilable program was a BF interp, for instance, I'd call a language TC < 1304803269 62421 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you just have autoconf generate the tup.config and... That's it. < 1304803270 935419 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i was thinking < 1304803273 474195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang it < 1304803280 238593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I find that thing before ais523 does? < 1304803283 285387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if the only program output a list of all halting BF programs and their outputs, in order of the number of cycles they take to halt plus their length < 1304803293 818282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is possible computably) < 1304803301 231859 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the question is if we include the programs run in that interpreter as sub-programs of the main program < 1304803302 344901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION surrenders < 1304803308 67309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1304803313 139924 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :629232203484 possible commands, if I didn't mess up. < 1304803314 268071 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, i thought of that too "program that lists all programs" < 1304803324 278940 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: stop it < 1304803325 621113 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1304803328 952089 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the question is if it just lists them < 1304803334 610237 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, why? < 1304803340 623745 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't interpret them.. < 1304803344 639428 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it TC? < 1304803353 607866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how could that be possible... oh, threading? And given infinite time, would also output nonhalters? < 1304803358 511248 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid < 1304803371 338135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it wouldn't output nonhalters after any finite amount of time < 1304803375 911866 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, to output all halting programs you'd need infinite time. < 1304803379 656567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talking about "infinite time" doesn't really make sense < 1304803382 452249 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304803385 531204 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1304803387 962906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't need threading, you can just alternate cycles < 1304803400 430213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to simulate something that works a bit like threading < 1304803419 114361 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just consider the programs "print $k" for k \in N < 1304803423 15230 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible expressions: (256*256)*7+1 < 1304803433 846230 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an infinite amount of time to output all of them < 1304803490 883665 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible commands: 2*(256^2*7+1)^2+2*(256^2*7+1) < 1304803496 184635 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In DevPerc < 1304803561 912865 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 420909547524 possible commands < 1304803571 906042 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no I didn't factor in all possible expresions < 1304803573 247015 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1304803603 270487 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible expressions would actually be: (256*256)*7+1+256 < 1304803629 600386 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possible expressions is E, which is 459009 < 1304803649 743829 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible commands is C, which is 2E^2+2E < 1304803683 825936 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 421379442180 possible commands < 1304803685 191906 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1304803693 242305 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do I win < 1304803726 27647 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's find out. < 1304803748 162841 :d42nk!~Dadang@61.94.131.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304803776 573691 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304803891 669398 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ah, you'd likely need to use an interpreter for commands that look like "QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNM" < 1304803912 544598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1304803923 734605 :d42nk!~Dadang@61.94.131.16 PART :#esoteric < 1304803984 912753 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's two new names < 1304803995 932977 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are these people coming from :D < 1304804001 393523 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1304804003 758285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :New? < 1304804013 185609 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1304804021 342809 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ajf and d42nk :) < 1304804058 619082 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kuraj < 1304804174 184596 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. that later was just some weirdo < 1304804313 966240 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an influx :P < 1304804451 500107 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Y'know, a freaking shell script is better than make for most intents and purposes. < 1304804474 160494 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: so uh < 1304804480 512745 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reference interpreter < 1304804486 299351 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now never splits line < 1304804488 278238 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304804491 45857 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304804493 798819 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can insert \ns < 1304804498 910254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304804500 93424 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words < 1304804507 120625 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made compilation even harder :D < 1304804512 998207 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lies < 1304804520 812562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make makes dependencies easier < 1304804533 68556 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makefiles are really easy to make < 1304804543 226849 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make as used by most people fucks up dependencies. < 1304804563 642071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hn? < 1304804569 61711 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?* < 1304804594 867712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: How many people explicitly list the headers each file depends upon? < 1304804598 825057 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, mmm.... < 1304804617 472059 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that you could just put every letter in a row, and force the compiler to compile for every single possible command. < 1304804622 214528 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304804623 755302 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1304804670 875625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, mmm... < 1304804684 440248 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do. < 1304804689 604914 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I use a makefile... < 1304804689 681953 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a program to compile what it can, and use an interpreter for the rest. < 1304804697 974363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can build zlib before my server < 1304804752 515905 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: cheating :P < 1304804757 380540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer actually intelligent build systems, personally. < 1304804766 689849 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later, figure out what do about evil evil statements like "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" < 1304804775 456011 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I removed that... < 1304804782 807479 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it still works if you insert /s < 1304804794 912599 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in a different way. < 1304804795 920570 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1304804798 250324 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If A is / < 1304804895 5455 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could rewrite that into something like "DEFINE A TO B/OPQRSTUVWXYZ" right? < 1304804920 49503 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1304805048 216090 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, you can certainly compile it-- and you can argue that the result isn't compiled at all anyways. < 1304805088 410751 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1304805092 876254 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304805102 929818 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write a JIT for this... sortof < 1304805117 757876 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you CAN write a JIT for this. definitely < 1304805164 192527 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what, for some statements, the end result will have to be aware of the syntax to some degree. < 1304805347 239508 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1304805383 513103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will you release the reference? < 1304805395 923093 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I finish it :P < 1304805413 621522 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to be beat to the punch or something? < 1304805450 276592 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1304805460 597920 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1304805462 701467 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language isn't that complex. < 1304805467 546339 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1304805472 997769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I find shell scripts work too, I don't use make for my own projects. < 1304805484 79309 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I only started two hours ago < 1304805491 99686 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1304805512 726721 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and defined the language over half a year ago < 1304805517 712220 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304805520 992936 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I'm thinking. < 1304805526 808565 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the statement DEFINE A AS B < 1304805529 248255 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO* < 1304805543 762548 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could you actually manage to redefine that to, which is still valid syntax? < 1304805553 999902 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this. < 1304805575 202828 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A/ < 1304805575 392051 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT X/ or GET X/ right? < 1304805582 203285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, how are trailing slashes handled? < 1304805585 646810 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1304805586 936759 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trailing? < 1304805588 655532 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trailing spaces. < 1304805594 836017 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignored? < 1304805595 225112 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ignored. < 1304805599 730712 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid? < 1304805601 841469 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A / is invalid < 1304805604 896087 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A/ is valid < 1304805606 56441 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean. < 1304805606 271509 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to work ligatures with FreeType? < 1304805613 328169 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET A with a space after it, then a new line. < 1304805614 709021 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's invalid? < 1304805621 519342 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :having porperly working editor is a bless. < 1304805622 41775 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1304805654 386660 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike some people, I take whitespace seriously < 1304805655 465573 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304805669 320536 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, compilation is only really annoying for statements where there are huge blobs of letters. < 1304805685 397207 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. constant statements and such < 1304805698 133652 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, Lymia < 1304805704 587511 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language cannot be truly compiled < 1304805715 630293 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, define "compiled" and I'll respond. < 1304805734 705188 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled directly to machine code, without needing the source code to run < 1304805739 241579 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1304805756 253494 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still executing in every single possible scenario the interpreted version would < 1304805768 549316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304805774 986445 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see anything in FreeType documentatino about retrieving ligature information. < 1304805901 870379 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ? < 1304805906 335897 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric < 1304805913 448968 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this matter for your language? < 1304805932 492811 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, well. < 1304805935 83511 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see about that. < 1304805935 949514 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1304805954 533990 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long until you get the reference done? < 1304805969 506724 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very. < 1304805974 814389 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop distracting me :V < 1304805988 402941 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all expressions are done, only one command so far < 1304806145 495773 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just sad I couldn't do proper nodeexprs to handle stuff with even something more than just chains. < 1304806161 964433 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. something to do some next time :) < 1304806192 408822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: No but I cannot find a channel for FreeType, I will try a different one maybe < 1304806212 980000 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1304806323 173819 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304806329 260213 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest some other channel < 1304806372 384213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1304806386 197551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just < 1304806395 315509 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, one related to fonts < 1304806422 370600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know which one that would be? < 1304806426 350362 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304806442 70639 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ##fonts correct one? < 1304806453 944200 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try. < 1304806476 649489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304806637 188018 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games are now officially recognized by the U.S. Government as art. About damn time. (escapistmagazine.com) < 1304806637 386848 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"about damn time"?... < 1304806664 508743 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course games have huge artistic potential, but even I don't think calling them "art" is a certain thing. < 1304806665 449775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1304806670 684342 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The games and arts debate. < 1304806670 761180 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on DEFINISHONS < 1304806673 974963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1304806676 115898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the worst of debates. < 1304806684 712069 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DEFINISHONS" < 1304806686 506959 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304806689 738722 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say this. < 1304806694 336091 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted to engrishize it < 1304806696 577313 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: You may define that word how you like. < 1304806699 71903 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games are definitely art. < 1304806702 762748 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying all games are that is... < 1304806704 982382 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say DEFINISHONSU < 1304806728 664359 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...risky... < 1304806732 570169 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304806736 13028 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would argue < 1304806741 647542 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all paintings are art < 1304806752 392568 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I draw a picture, is it art? < 1304806774 229683 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if it's a nicep icture < 1304806776 572656 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd say DEHINISHON'SU < 1304806790 875786 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Nah < 1304806801 237876 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FI is valid, Fu+small I < 1304806817 744361 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea but not popular < 1304806827 126563 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't become a popular term < 1304806836 680258 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINISHONSU < 1304806839 350003 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah not really < 1304806848 277358 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phonetic extensions are everywhere < 1304806857 214667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese now? < 1304806862 811277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1304806881 38322 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: < 1304806886 68796 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verudasu Orijinaru < 1304806892 287 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the "Ve". < 1304806897 423032 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't the Japanese pronounce that as "be" anyways. < 1304806902 698647 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write it as "tèhuīnisiȳonnsu", personally. < 1304806902 873449 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally < 1304806913 265537 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I find it depends on the age of the speaker, actually. < 1304806922 777844 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true. < 1304806943 674290 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's some wierd rômaji - did you learn from an older guide? < 1304806951 300730 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Nah, made it up for kicks. < 1304806952 998472 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am used to hepburn personally < 1304806956 646208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how your average English Japanese learner pronounces that. < 1304806957 151143 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304806961 323976 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Just a very, very literal encoding of kana. < 1304806968 636221 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1304806973 316874 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer using actual kana < 1304806986 897862 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, [ < 1304806988 2905 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH < 1304806989 523911 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME WORK WITH ME < 1304806998 526237 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: inputking.com < 1304806999 258345 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was I doing last time with my lisptoy?.. oh lambda arguments. < 1304807000 448101 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :online IME < 1304807001 492990 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304807011 469174 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently learning Japanese. Kanji are "fun" < 1304807023 167284 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, 「デフィニションス」 looks nicer to those who know kana. < 1304807059 294898 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ヴェルタス・オリジナル" < 1304807063 580750 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn how to read katakana sometime. < 1304807064 457378 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1304807066 682277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verutasu orijinaru < 1304807074 300625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've neglected to do that for a while now. < 1304807082 751800 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It's really not that hard. < 1304807082 928108 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Is not that hard, really. < 1304807091 243225 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1304807097 167914 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it in under a week < 1304807099 568686 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, I don't find kanji that hard either, so take that with a grain of salt. < 1304807110 539241 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you get a good amount of practice with squiggle-kana < 1304807132 304654 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With "ヴェルタス・オリジナル" - Guess what foreign brand that is < 1304807133 738385 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess. < 1304807136 674355 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Googling. < 1304807147 263291 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nintendo love hotels < 1304807149 575886 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertas Original?!? I got nothing. < 1304807153 39956 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304807159 914267 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Werthers Originals < 1304807163 420954 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304807164 103945 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304807166 251753 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :w->v? < 1304807170 118205 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is german though, so W->V < 1304807172 226168 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very German of them. < 1304807173 176069 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1304807173 252914 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes pronounced b? < 1304807179 692367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berters original. < 1304807200 18365 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEETAASU ORIJINARUU < 1304807201 545791 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Probably the only hard bit about katakana is the Engrishization of words. < 1304807213 971059 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true. < 1304807217 926461 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304807219 132516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I just need to find motivation < 1304807220 508661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1304807221 264282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too prefer actual kana (or kanji with furigana) but in ASCII, you cannot use kana (although you cannot use accent marks either in ASCII) < 1304807244 340290 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that < 1304807246 837363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :リーミャはばか! < 1304807248 621130 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :「ウィルス」 (uīrusu) [wirusu] for "virus" is mother-fucking confusing. Still. < 1304807255 105434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biruswu. < 1304807266 895766 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: こんなに馬鹿じゃないと思う。 < 1304807282 675474 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304807289 257522 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not funny. < 1304807289 575667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304807297 219136 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304807308 661130 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lied, you said you can't read katakana < 1304807312 550688 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1304807314 159765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I can read a few. < 1304807318 344302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304807319 141345 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough watched Madoka cough* < 1304807324 626040 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough mami cough* < 1304807327 646504 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304807333 657189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel left out < 1304807338 223743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read katakana and also hiragana < 1304807340 87496 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough ri looks almost the same in both cough* < 1304807343 980302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same < 1304807351 711329 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some kanji < 1304807352 673301 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: "wu" is not a valid mora. < 1304807353 335165 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1304807362 126117 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write almost all of both syllabaries < 1304807372 524709 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bit I have trouble with is the ma line < 1304807381 863738 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because I never practised it :P < 1304807383 227721 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're a mora. < 1304807393 911761 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1304807398 522371 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1304807401 455243 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: How would one encode it? < 1304807404 149958 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just antiquated and unused < 1304807406 30902 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304807418 362776 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitasec < 1304807420 822568 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ゐ and ゑ certainly exist, but not somewthing for "wu". < 1304807437 208307 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304807444 430664 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only an image on wikipedia < 1304807451 94249 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even in unicode < 1304807463 848797 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are those? my hiragana and akatakana are rusty < 1304807465 804066 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :katakana < 1304807474 795380 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: old kana < 1304807476 197100 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unused. < 1304807479 205748 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: "wi" and "we", in hiragana. < 1304807488 241160 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304807491 320335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304807493 333616 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, unused. < 1304807495 47682 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they come to disuse? < 1304807498 316539 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will almost never find them < 1304807511 207144 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, pikhq answer his question < 1304807512 624213 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Tory what is this nonsense < 1304807513 824250 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: The mora they encode fell out of use. < 1304807517 968936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mora/morae/ < 1304807523 412411 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that spambot thing < 1304807523 489184 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a mora? < 1304807536 57353 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: "syllable" in japanese < 1304807546 727242 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did that fall out of use? < 1304807547 791538 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a syllable < 1304807553 314039 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: A mora is a component of a syllable; Japanese is in terms of morae rather than syllables. < 1304807559 939394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Mora is Latin, actually. < 1304807567 414748 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaahhh these spambots are ridiculous < 1304807569 304673 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304807578 727942 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not what I meant. < 1304807588 557120 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what a Japanese "syllable" is < 1304807601 356036 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Pronounciation shift; "wi" and "we" came to be pronounced "i" and "e". < 1304807617 90575 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304807622 573063 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because. < 1304807628 49383 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also e used to be ye < 1304807633 123956 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "yen" in english < 1304807639 119573 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because languages change pronounciation over time. < 1304807645 756106 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, english did too < 1304807651 853487 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a chart somewhere < 1304807652 476508 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why did that happen in this way specifically? < 1304807664 747376 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ooo, show me < 1304807666 661390 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasted #384865 to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384865 < 1304807672 532874 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift < 1304807674 394664 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wo" also came to be pronounced "o"; that kana now only exists for the gramatical particle. < 1304807677 39693 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that. < 1304807681 260861 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English vowel changes. < 1304807687 713303 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I say HUBRIS at this point? < 1304807688 597622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For hysterical reasons, the grammatical particles use archaic spellings. < 1304807699 345829 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented lambdas into my toy lisp example :) < 1304807707 604267 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Languages change; it's just a basic elementary fact of linguistics. < 1304807718 907060 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp - that's esoteric? < 1304807719 761082 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304807757 722700 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, i know that, i was asking why it changed in that specific way < 1304807768 926124 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not some other way. < 1304807769 996021 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: "Because". < 1304807814 532425 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it's confusing. < 1304807821 287864 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of particles are pronounced differently. < 1304807821 762871 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304807854 835842 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304807857 578301 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha -> wa < 1304807860 974071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo -> o < 1304807865 855838 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any others? < 1304807876 347876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he -> e < 1304807882 725378 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1304807931 695381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ky%C5%AB-Kanazukai Basically, the particles are remnants of this. < 1304808021 621503 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304808024 369983 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1304808034 890188 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that old style is really confusing < 1304808035 784944 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304808048 134405 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was phonetic when it came into adoption. < 1304808069 747744 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation changed, spelling didn't. < 1304808100 315365 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh < 1304808109 234535 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they changed the spelling to reflect pronunciation? < 1304808114 134330 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1304808119 474562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1304808129 940052 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kept the particles the same for reasons I'm not sure of. < 1304808152 279177 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess because having some things separate makes reading easier < 1304808165 133019 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo and ha, particularly < 1304808436 8598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to work on reference implementation some more :/ < 1304808632 989362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, hey, you got to my Reddit frontpage. < 1304808649 640980 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1304808657 556170 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it the TIL? < 1304808699 67855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304808730 574422 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is damn esoteric language.. lol. < 1304808731 522343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing of the theme of "TIL something PH has known for ages" which always throws me. < 1304808753 334460 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I wrote that 'cond' pretty easily, it takes shitloads of time to type in factorial :) < 1304808771 385943 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.. I'll need node input mode < 1304808797 39034 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it suddenly starts looking like usual language. < 1304808812 75900 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll need to branch it very soon into graphical appearance and editing. < 1304809396 177983 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you still here? < 1304809450 584122 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :allright! < 1304809458 217493 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasted #384885 to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384885 < 1304809464 459845 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tthis fucker is able to run factorial now < 1304809505 177723 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pasted #384886 to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/384886 < 1304809510 501351 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's linepaste of factorial < 1304809544 763500 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1304809568 437610 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304809572 549279 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a lisp parseer < 1304809576 863946 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1304809609 423948 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304809613 717825 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. avoiding writing of lisp parser < 1304809645 45430 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's like avoiding flood wake but hey trying isn't forbidden? < 1304809675 649633 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1304809680 981602 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what are you writing? < 1304809736 591110 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.boxbase.org/coconut < 1304809766 884667 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Coconut < 1304809768 728994 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results < 1304809769 554277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1304809802 98223 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't added it yet. < 1304809806 848737 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304809818 628841 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you, let me guess, parsing "Coconut" to lisp? < 1304809841 838707 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. coconut is the file format I use. < 1304809871 698684 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I wrote a factorial in this thing today, I still have to work it further. < 1304809905 517868 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'texting' that factorial was damn crazy. < 1304809928 510798 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now there's something under to try it on. < 1304809931 770604 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1304809977 855091 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: oh yeah. it's a structured code format. < 1304810059 95138 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've just written editing tools and an interpreter handling the format < 1304810110 258899 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably getting to the point somewhere soon where I'm yet adding a number into version. < 1304810121 913961 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1304810131 436279 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've (almost) finished my DevPerc interpreter < 1304810139 107465 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after over 6 months in development < 1304810146 165905 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it will have been worth the wait < 1304810152 606293 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Gabe Newell (paraphrased) < 1304810156 741107 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec had more features while ago, but I removed excess ones until I get it doing better. < 1304810165 125430 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: same. < 1304810172 530852 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have FOUR commands < 1304810199 137960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguly looks for an awesome compiled programming language < 1304810207 814482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why < 1304810233 932294 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll try get my friend look at that thing, and I perhaps start writing the editor piece. < 1304810244 341759 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to use old code I had. :( that's carp < 1304810245 955417 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crap < 1304810252 617732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people dislike Common Lisp for some reason. Why? < 1304810283 287978 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fragmented langugae < 1304810293 373568 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why clisp isn't interesting to many < 1304810308 39261 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304810349 889380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers looking at Mercury before < 1304810356 26967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what my opinion of it was < 1304810393 739833 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhmhmhm.... I'm wondering right now how I'll proceed with my editor. but then I'm getting that sleep before doing anything. < 1304810464 131104 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304810487 693176 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304810600 480130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets bored looking at Mercury < 1304810701 450631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at gallium, < 1304810755 567162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost Googled that, expecting to find a language < 1304810829 700710 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304810912 409002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, here, some gallium: http://periodicvideos.com/videos/031.htm < 1304813377 130278 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally < 1304813384 180819 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DevPerc interpreter done < 1304813385 76516 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1304813392 750917 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TazeTSchnitzel/DevPerc < 1304813468 690399 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-246.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304813522 926876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-25.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304813530 740302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq < 1304813537 625784 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interpreter is finished :D < 1304813618 301303 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi ajf < 1304813627 320450 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohi wareya_ < 1304813634 210167 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304813635 984833 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished my shitty language's interpreter < 1304813639 64521 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1304813644 463519 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an interesting language. < 1304813650 594709 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-z says to call you fag < 1304813652 353734 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that he said it < 1304813657 839123 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304813676 610808 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your language < 1304813677 770503 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya_: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1304813679 829324 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine < 1304813680 713165 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than 1d boat? < 1304813684 490978 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1304813696 409348 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8:15 PM - Kaviera: yup a fag would anser like that B3 < 1304813698 550653 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language cannot be compiled < 1304813701 296669 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8:15 PM - Kaviera: answer < 1304813701 424707 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8:15 PM - Kaviera: ffffffffff < 1304813764 480398 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya_: have a look at my language < 1304813770 168995 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is wierd < 1304813782 604322 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really weird < 1304813788 15509 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was like a stripped down C < 1304813798 833530 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304813806 579115 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was... I have no idea why now < 1304813808 64292 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have negative sized variables < 1304813810 348857 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of it < 1304813812 206364 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304813837 402516 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mine has a working interpreter < 1304813851 481968 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible code, but works < 1304813860 536729 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't < 1304813863 429269 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy < 1304813873 366299 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be working on my game's platforming physics code < 1304813889 544796 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1304813914 765760 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I redesigned my language like 5 times < 1304813919 965442 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304813928 881880 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki only has version 2 < 1304813929 504904 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed this language in November last year < 1304813933 961262 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about it < 1304813940 692815 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembered it today < 1304813954 39499 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I removed some stuff to make implementation easier < 1304813959 862182 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to make more sense < 1304814045 255025 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304814048 319133 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boat is by you < 1304814049 687732 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1304814064 748961 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304814133 779856 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304814141 392943 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at DevPerc yet < 1304814158 749163 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm against DRM, pro-OSS, I think the GPL is too draconian, middle/junior high and high school in the USA is done terribly, and that America's democracy is broken by international entities." < 1304814163 266807 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, me too < 1304814197 684751 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304814213 73598 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p[ < 1304814214 190647 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lop < 1304814226 669004 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304814230 680541 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lopl < 1304814261 496172 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya_ what do you think of DevPerc < 1304814293 950673 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good esolang < 1304814414 160096 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the wiki needs fixing main page from esolangs.org does not work < 1304814496 446469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304814640 409847 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks < 1304814641 762767 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304814724 464573 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1304814727 969191 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1304814729 763027 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1304814760 683439 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf. < 1304814768 517858 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your number system is horrible and screwy. < 1304815895 879851 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarumpät < 1304815984 526475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1304816217 277797 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1304816232 501581 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The less numeric literals, the easier it is to tease out all combinations. < 1304817437 418455 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-25.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304817446 298718 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304818056 819241 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304818462 882128 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304818633 286009 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304818943 332925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304818945 364695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Language_list&curid=960&diff=22409&oldid=22336 < 1304818945 627814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304818947 234027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambot using undo... < 1304819027 921293 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the most peculiar spambots < 1304819211 480463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION again looks at Slate for some reason < 1304819220 342732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though before I said that I wanted compiled < 1304819223 48460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confuses himself < 1304819298 594555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it didn't involve typing an asterisk, Sgeo would be SO ignored by now. < 1304819371 99334 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hah < 1304819384 208514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn number keys, all not working and shit < 1304820184 696159 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304820384 592250 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:13:28 http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/h5wv8/your_thoughts_on_a_feynman_quote/c1stu8p < 1304820387 951895 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:13:30 It's oerjan! < 1304820390 460369 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1304820421 188038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IS it < 1304820433 277014 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304820449 597424 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a language based on either English or Japanese grammar... and looks like Perl. < 1304820513 131082 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you in? < 1304820520 98534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1304820521 505437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perligata FTW < 1304820524 817795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perl with Latin grammar) < 1304821537 864722 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the nonshittiest of the free TLDs? < 1304821794 274886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh. < 1304821796 770610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Mu. < 1304821809 651693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you even ask that, they're all incredibly terrible. < 1304821827 722957 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you don't mind alternate roots. < 1304821831 681746 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304821909 712410 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304822195 243981 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com < 1304822337 765392 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how about.... uh.... < 1304822342 265470 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language has the screwiest grammar? < 1304822494 705932 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya < 1304822534 268504 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of languages have screwy grammar < 1304822555 891200 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are context-sensitive grammars inherently screwier than context-free grammars? < 1304822657 689168 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b61c7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304822814 726271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304822818 26161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should implement that language < 1304822848 223949 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, something based on Japanese shouldn't be all that hard to parse. < 1304822849 320521 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1304822849 740892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1304823224 677415 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>perligata < 1304823226 314450 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>shift "behead" < 1304823228 585319 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1304823231 721766 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :D= < 1304823244 658979 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-that's horrible. < 1304823395 535868 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO. MUCH. SPAM. < 1304823438 833728 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1304823566 908779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's human I think < 1304823569 260757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them used an undo link < 1304823575 95205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I recommend we just insult them in edit summaries < 1304823581 522390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . Whirl‎; 02:59 . . (-975) . . 122.248.210.168 (Talk) (Undo revision 19690 by Special:Contributions/Onybasoceh (User talk:Onybasoceh)) < 1304823582 219149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1304823591 327474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304823594 542070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it uses that to... hmm < 1304823596 728060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's just weird < 1304823603 910421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it thinks it is the comment link, maybe? < 1304823606 743266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is meant to be a comment spambot < 1304823673 789252 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link to the history page in question? < 1304823681 147915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see recent changes :) < 1304823687 689108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :already closed that tab :P < 1304823719 93109 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses at WorldEdit < 1304823724 759676 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-157.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to handle powered rail. < 1304823854 403000 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this bot? < 1304823868 730059 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to exist for no reason but to mess up the site. < 1304823902 28703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called a spambot. < 1304823907 785047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must be new to the internet. < 1304823928 184364 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean. < 1304823931 96896 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no purpose to doing it. < 1304823937 66381 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it's linking anything. < 1304823962 324878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suspect it's trying to send a form field for a link, but it think it's a blog comment thing < 1304823968 298410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, it's just testing whether the site is susceptible to spamming < 1304823972 77208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sell it on to other spammers < 1304823973 202418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. etc. < 1304824108 206093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304824237 916918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :DO CONTINUATIONS DREAM OF MONADIC SHEEP? | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304824361 354137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304824372 447096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :DO CONTINUATIONS DREAM OF MONADIC SHEEP? -- a novel by Ernest Hemingway | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304824448 26664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever made a file called README containing the words "README: No such file or directory" in a public system? < 1304824471 398317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1304824482 32837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done once. < 1304824602 507142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else I have once done is in a Windows 98 system, made a HTML file with a screenshot of the desktop screen and then program it to display the message "RESTRICTED" whenever it is double-clicked, and then set it up to display full-screen in the task scheduler. < 1304824640 899361 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I observed a windows system where all the shortcuts were set to run shutdown < 1304824643 840282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty rad < 1304824652 783807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Where and when was this? < 1304824675 472573 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :highschool a few years ago < 1304824742 60222 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/NOT_A_PROGRAM < Let's turn this joke into an actual programming language. < 1304824763 203824 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Try. But I do not think it can, that is not really its purpose. < 1304824906 527198 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you heard of "Schroedinger's Directory"? I think it might have been a file containing the words "cat: fldrA: Is a directory" or at least that is one possible explanation, I don't know what else could be. < 1304825111 515553 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something corrupted on the file system? < 1304825135 977855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes maybe that too. < 1304825149 960798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how these commands act to a symbolic link to a directory. < 1304825157 670055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know? Egbert B. Gebstadter is the Egbert B. Gebstadter of indirect self-reference. < 1304825171 317442 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo cat: fldrA: Is a directory > fldrA < 1304825177 625875 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, Gregor. < 1304825178 83872 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304825208 84968 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1304825210 554172 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, Plazma. < 1304825216 108935 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, oh right, Lymia. < 1304825225 399255 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You made my bed, now I have to lie in it :P < 1304825228 434885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Plazma? < 1304825256 181094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia made the bot say some random DCC request that apparently breaks wildly-broken clients, and Plazma made me take 'em offline 'til I fix them. < 1304825262 755516 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will be whenever I feel like it. < 1304825273 719506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1304825279 858173 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the fix will be if [ "$IRC_USER" = "Lymia" ] ; then echo 'Ha, no'; fi < 1304825293 662279 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that will help < 1304825296 697126 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't see any clients break :( < 1304825306 675050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It won't, but it's cathartic :P < 1304825311 33779 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course not. < 1304825312 170567 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, filter all output. < 1304825320 695371 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else, the brainfuck program in question lives. < 1304825320 771745 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: That's what I intend to do. < 1304825328 659278 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as stripping all control character < 1304825355 515979 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +. < 1304825355 592877 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304825364 883091 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1304825386 522968 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++.+++.+.+.+.+.+.++++++++.+.+. < 1304825386 697897 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :9;>?@ABCKLM < 1304825400 174625 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but it's sad if the bots cannot emote :( < 1304825411 431137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think it needs to < 1304825413 676926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia made the bot say some random DCC request that apparently breaks wildly-broken clients, and Plazma made me take 'em offline 'til I fix them. < 1304825416 320611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plazma? < 1304825450 811827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See /whois Plazma :P < 1304825453 573891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that one of the IRCops? < 1304825455 7748 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1304825459 18279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right :P < 1304825461 483200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN OUR WAKE < 1304825565 994114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't recall any clients actually being affected in any way here :P < 1304825622 984329 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relevant? < 1304825633 301172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1304825642 538144 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that relevant? < 1304825646 716468 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. < 1304825655 889746 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently \1 does DCC. < 1304825665 785839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It means it's even less relevant than that bash quote where saying "fuck" disconnected that guy repeatedly :P < 1304825667 599664 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it needs to be filtered. < 1304825686 235243 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc \1 does CTCP which does DCC < 1304825691 50064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, nothing wrong with CTCP < 1304825692 457663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION this is ctcp < 1304825696 840311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that specific thing needs blockin < 1304825697 214549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1304825703 82796 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just strip all control characters would be the simplest way. (Or, convert them to unicode control pictures) < 1304825712 123199 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NO FUN I SAY < 1304825769 642993 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will filtering for \1DCC at the start be enough? < 1304825780 527059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can technically ctcp in the middle of lines < 1304825793 721125 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other option: Do KICK to Plazma. < 1304825801 736318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304825806 119136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches zzo38 get klined < 1304825809 408041 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but what clients do that? _especially_ wildly broken ones? < 1304825832 36957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ACTION ctcp in middle of lines this client. < 1304825837 567763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, since we're defending against an entirely hypothetical occurrence... < 1304825842 79027 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if yours can receive it. < 1304825843 641029 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume most clients escape it. < 1304825853 59126 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes and irssi doesn't treat that as a ctcp incoming < 1304825881 922997 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there could be an entirely hypothetical client which broke if you said "hi" as well < 1304825891 885400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to build it and get ALL THESE BOTS taken down. < 1304825920 469798 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.->++++++++[<++++++++>-]<+.++.+++++++++++++++++.-----------.++++++.-.>+++++[<--------->-]<-.>++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<.+++++++++++++.--------------.++++++++++++.>+++++++[<------------>-]<+.>++++[<+++++++++++>-]<.>+++++[<+++++++++>-]<.------------.----.--------.[-]+. < 1304825920 666873 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Lymia < 1304825943 131596 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything still have the stupid bug anymore? < 1304825951 732407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in here at least :) < 1304825965 422045 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually misspelled it as "DCC SED" < 1304825973 723744 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1304825980 976840 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was a bit weird < 1304826013 308873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: so it actually did less than nothing at all :D < 1304826021 659918 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1304826023 691942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should fix the typo just to check if anyone has the bug. < 1304826028 326565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get right on that Lymia. < 1304826031 423219 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304826033 19024 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304826053 556931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a public service < 1304826056 82288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some IRC servers will try to stop you sending certain words or combinations of words such as "startkeylogger". SlashNET network will put error message if you do that words in PRIVMSG or NOTICE but if you do in QUIT it will still do QUIT but delete the message. Appearently Furnet will disconnect you if you send "startkeylogger" no matter where it is. < 1304826065 579968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger < 1304826068 305776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if it is part of your reverse DNS? < 1304826075 457103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger startkeylogger < 1304826077 795897 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, then you're a bastard. < 1304826093 325057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :This channel is dedicated to those who have lost their lives at the hands of DCC SEND startkeylogger | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304826148 687761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone in here has access to reverse DNS, please set your reverse DNS to contain the prohibited words and then connect to Furnet see what happens please. < 1304826157 441293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would involve connecting to furnet < 1304826164 55964 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What elliott sai. < 1304826166 432838 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :said* < 1304826177 651942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes it would, but it would also involve reverse DNS. < 1304826183 564316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's not the objectionable part < 1304826225 34479 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have never connected there (because I never had to connect to find channels of my interest) so I cannot confirm myself; someone told me this. If I had access to this reverse DNS, then I would connect and try it by myself) < 1304826269 650449 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :channels of your interest? on furnet? < 1304826288 684938 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's (do-like (write english) lisp)) < 1304826313 591070 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hideous dialect is that < 1304826319 268630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, I connect to here because of *this* channel, and some other channels such as ##C and so on I sometimes might ask a question. And also SlashNET because that one is MegaZeux. < 1304826350 660870 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is megazeux? < 1304826357 130400 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't figure out why Japanese reminds me of a programming language. < 1304826362 326535 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b61c7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1304826385 855772 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: MegaZeux is a old game creation system but now it is made many new things, even I made some changes to MegaZeux too. < 1304826386 122982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpn? < 1304826420 368 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Such as, this is my MegaZeux I made on here: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/ There is other MegaZeux, too. < 1304826428 119475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you might find elsewhere < 1304826534 57811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is possible in SlashNET to use NS SET command to make prohibited words appearing when someone else uses NS INFO command. < 1304826546 790973 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1304826552 109651 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is linux so terrible today < 1304826566 835116 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on a livecd and it's just churning and churning the dvd drive < 1304826587 974938 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible! < 1304826612 576217 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43f65.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304826614 959983 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Are you interested in MegaZeux? The last few times I have been in their channel, I have not seen any messages, or sometimes only one message. < 1304826620 185540 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typed ls in a command prompt and it just doesn't do anything < 1304826640 34413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Is there no file? < 1304826662 589594 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, i might be interested if i were able to open the website. i can't, because linux is being stupid right now < 1304826671 151893 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just hung on it < 1304826684 624873 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i pressed ctrl-c and it said "Bus error: core dumped" < 1304826695 706763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is then, seriously wrong. < 1304826701 583768 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it said "Bus error (core dumped)" < 1304826719 257943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is still something wrong. < 1304826725 201141 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304826740 72176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the computer work properly without the Live CD? < 1304826773 808658 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even works properly with the livecd < 1304826776 717341 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _are_ these bus errors and why does linux have such terrible collective transport < 1304826778 623447 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except just right now < 1304826797 861555 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i think it has to do with the INTERCAL "select" operator < 1304826807 715951 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember? it talked about buses < 1304826809 988596 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well i meant in general. < 1304826827 876246 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does INTERCAL have to do with your problem? < 1304826829 708027 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think linux is written in INTERCAL < 1304826839 529735 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Linux is written in C. < 1304826850 290390 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't C written in INTERCAL? < 1304826864 959184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know of any version of INTERCAL that allows writing operating systems) < 1304826870 397809 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, C is written in C. < 1304826909 895742 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if C were written in INTERCAL -- then it would make sense < 1304826916 205116 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, something's seriously fucked < 1304826936 204613 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't want to do anything < 1304826953 458730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't be the case even if you wrote a C compiler in INTERCAL - the INTERCAL "select" operator does not do this kind of things < 1304826973 854873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater53: Maybe the CD is scratched? < 1304827049 718745 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1304827068 401634 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in the dvdrom all the time. it didn't get scratched while it was there. < 1304827253 428291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have another computer? < 1304827356 623487 :cheater53!~cheater11@ip-80-226-237-45.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304827409 230344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, it certainly seems broken.) < 1304827462 772847 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I don't know of any version of INTERCAL that allows writing operating systems) <-- sheesh all you need is COME FROM BOOT SECTOR < 1304827480 791338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304827497 3230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what _are_ these bus errors and why does linux have such terrible collective transport < 1304827501 341776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfaults, except not on xeightsix < 1304827522 445026 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1304827601 117812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know of any version of INTERCAL that has such a command; although, if there was one, I suppose that would be the way to mark that the program is an operating system and where the program begins executing. < 1304827643 348337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it has more than one COME FROM BOOT SECTOR then it is a operating system for multicores. < 1304828813 374415 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-157.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304828815 73481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304829051 408592 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1304829138 180096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ababababab < 1304830670 231097 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304830707 171019 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304830727 431328 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i've fixed my computer by 1. rebooting it 2. making sure the problem doesn't happen again < 1304830748 396615 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that in other, but very related news i have finally found a use for the single copy of the bible that i have here. < 1304830788 207894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O? < 1304830936 953004 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, galvanic and mechanical isolation mainly < 1304830997 818664 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not exorcising a daemon from you pc, how boring < 1304831001 960199 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1304831014 2298 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of stacking all my hard drives one on top of the other so that they achieve the temperature of the sun and fuse into one glowing ball of plasma, i have decided to lay them out flat on top of the pc case. funnily enough the five 3.5" hard drives i have hooked up do work out to just the right dimension to take up the complete space up at the top. < 1304831023 12318 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the hard drives is sitting on the bible. < 1304831032 128921 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :others are sitting on other books. < 1304831062 393386 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bible is fairly useless, i only have it because i got it in a box of books which also contained other story books like the complete works of goethe, and german classics < 1304831070 896458 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which translation? < 1304831198 215163 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some german translation. < 1304831210 643041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, you foreigners. < 1304831214 280264 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean of the german writers < 1304831220 34788 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no translation. < 1304831240 408906 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bible is translated, though, because i don't think the germans were stupid enough to come up with this shit < 1304831245 839405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the Bible. < 1304831255 788625 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they were, relatively speaking, cave men < 1304831313 725159 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you don't actually need any of these books for reading? < 1304831506 787124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the problem is? < 1304831531 462153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FlameSource setOnFire: zzo38. < 1304831540 860934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wow that sucks < 1304831551 401596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What does that mean? < 1304831580 395810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sends the setOnFire: message to the class FlameSource, with zzo38 as an argument < 1304831609 193464 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, any of the books? < 1304831622 849440 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i do have those books for reading < 1304831628 852853 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the bible is one exception < 1304831642 612749 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much have it for pulping, or for use as a general object < 1304831753 53199 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater43: Does that copy of the Bible include deuterocanonical books? < 1304831918 472918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also called the apocrypha) < 1304832019 57804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, there are three books of the apocrypha which are not part of the deuterocanonical books < 1304832052 961345 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304832237 703878 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. < 1304832265 380027 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's performing the most important function it will ever perform in its life, it's actually being used to SUPPORT the transfer of information < 1304832274 526222 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't want to remove it from under the hdd < 1304832311 874489 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, keep it there for now. Books are also a physical object that you can put stuff on top of < 1304832694 886047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a full copy of the King James Bible text in my computer but it does not include deuterocanonical and apocrypha. < 1304832813 170549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know where is ASCII text copy including these things? < 1304832959 745131 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go on a limb and say "Project Gutenberg". < 1304833049 160741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I can look. < 1304833555 32288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't C support constants ("abcdefg"[1]) and so on? < 1304833601 390049 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why can't >>C<< support constants ("abcdefg"[1]) and so on? < 1304833604 858842 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :found your problem. < 1304833630 586638 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggest you use a saner, more powerful language, such as befunge. < 1304833716 595600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abcdefg"[1] is entirely valid in C, and equivalent to 'b'. < 1304833759 133800 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: In my computer it is error wherever a constant is expected. < 1304833772 81104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it wouldn't be a constant expression. < 1304833811 336220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could probably get the behavior you want with C++. >:D < 1304833951 365385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I could also used the C interpreter in Enhanced CWEB to make a macro that takes two arguments, one string and one expression, and expand to (x==1?'a':(x==2?'b':...... and so on but then it won't work if the C preprocessor of the compiler has a macro of a string that the prepreprocessor won't see < 1304833973 790520 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304833981 850910 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :your bookram will definitely become more legible this way < 1304833983 8269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also think that it should make sense that C should accept such thing as "abcdefg"[1] where constant should be? < 1304834002 169511 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd certainly be nicer. < 1304834020 672964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you must remember, C seems to presume that the compiler is positively *stupid*. < 1304834108 348055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if they allow such constants as that in the next C standards document that is not written yet? I think in the newer standards they improve some things but other things are unnecessary < 1304834132 299760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *think* C1X is adding that. < 1304834185 519414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion, they add a lot of things they ought not to, and yet they forget some stuff that would make a bit of sense < 1304834244 540073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at C1X's additions < 1304834259 49797 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Type-generic expressions using the _Generic keyword." < 1304834260 970553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1304834296 435656 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Are you familiar with tgmath.h? < 1304834308 245369 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOUNDS CHECKING < 1304834444 730295 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1304834527 907731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tgmath.h is fun < 1304834901 90838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, it should be invented, a new kind, not called C (because C is already called C), instead it can be called C?? or something like that, which is mostly C89 but also a few more things, such as #meta...#endmeta block where you can write interpreted C codes and compile-time error catching, and closer control to the machine-codes. < 1304834934 212451 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can also have Objective-C++?? in case some people want that instead... but I don't think so. < 1304834962 430286 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, why is Objective-C++ a real thing? < 1304834978 809801 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a real thing, I am not sure who uses or wants it. < 1304835006 470732 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has a single legitimate use. < 1304835013 182652 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binding C++ and Objective-C code. < 1304835019 732986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C?? xD < 1304835027 673386 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without going through C. < 1304835049 113690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you can actually do everything objective-c does in pure C++ < 1304835054 518329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's all objc_msgSend or whatever < 1304835055 967558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the hood < 1304835058 858137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just call them directly < 1304835068 673050 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, it's just somewhat more annoying. < 1304835072 237918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat :D < 1304835083 830077 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or something else; it doesn't have to be C?? maybe there is better name, but C and C++ is already taken < 1304835090 467828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that having two seperate object systems is going to be anything *but* annoying. < 1304835129 710413 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304836060 878300 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43f65.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304836085 441577 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304837577 437898 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304838273 555789 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304838348 65491 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304838361 843216 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304839272 475331 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304839939 937661 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-184-69.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304839948 153171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-233.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304841299 845583 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304841316 427236 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long time no...anything. < 1304841362 333568 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You still around? < 1304841366 881148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1304841389 755494 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your cynicism betrays you, sir. < 1304841429 481077 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have a bot to be cynical for you. < 1304841457 847993 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d932d008.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304841505 469532 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, sarcastic. Been awake for a while. Dammit. < 1304842054 185970 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304842300 785888 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFC2B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304842334 160704 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF2D9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304843115 679811 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d932d008.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1304844784 163749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1304844847 52441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304844974 938963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The community portal has been replaced multiple times in succession, all with spam messages. < 1304845406 739532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304845801 508806 :evincar!~chatzilla@province-wireless-173-84-27-242.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830] < 1304847097 876876 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304847971 709248 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :< < 1304848028 183784 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/XMLfuck < Isn't this slightly more powerful than a reencoding of Brainfuck, therefore not qualified as one. < 1304848051 43163 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304848056 227407 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapes, for instance < 1304848070 271142 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a while loop containing instructions pointing at a different tape, right? < 1304848084 480779 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can only exist once". als,o Lymia: did you look at my reference interprerter < 1304848137 305479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh FFS the wiki really needs more admins. < 1304848137 382331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304848141 628317 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you write < 1304848149 785002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf|offline, Lymia, are you two *still* at it? < 1304848155 704756 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304848159 642186 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, = < 1304848161 953028 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1304848168 470921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if that is an XML-based language I am going to stab you in the face. < 1304848180 788348 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just briefly coming here to check if lymia replied to my PM about my DevPerc interpreter < 1304848186 276923 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for now. < 1304848194 27248 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf|offline, your reference interpreter's number handling is horrid. < 1304848301 7468 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-184-69.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304848317 994213 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-214.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304849004 864041 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah.. i need a new ubuntu live cd < 1304849581 565603 :cheater43!~cheater70@ip-80-226-27-190.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304849671 380869 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304851826 766109 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304851867 278395 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki is getting spammed < 1304851884 362495 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know of this? < 1304851991 403895 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I looked at Recent Changes, and I went :OOOO < 1304852511 972775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No we were completely and utterly unaware. < 1304852513 868051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1304852524 922657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do much without a sysop. < 1304852809 813557 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... is bad. < 1304852851 50510 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, I was playing Might and Magic VII, and I found this huge glitch. I can now duplicate quest items. < 1304854314 50286 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304856603 316153 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304856706 45248 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1304856707 132142 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1304856715 447860 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: eh? < 1304856722 880209 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with its number handling? :D < 1304857397 9974 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION afk < 1304857934 859897 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION back < 1304859909 173730 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304860306 621253 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Deviating_Percolator#Interpreting_Specifics < 1304860306 698870 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304860343 30224 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304860393 411111 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wareya < 1304860403 49189 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made a very detailed thing on how to interpret my language < 1304860408 508512 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Lymia was confused n shit < 1304860431 188078 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304860444 419059 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304860448 946024 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf you should fix boat < 1304860453 339968 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304860457 886560 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boat sucks < 1304860463 341828 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can rebuild it < 1304860466 456733 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the technology < 1304860480 860140 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Deviating_Percolator#Interpreting_Specifics < 1304860485 565401 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.avi < 1304860496 176163 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just took c < 1304860497 198958 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a subset of C that is below even assembly in some manners but above C in others < 1304860500 575934 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed the syntax a little < 1304860503 278660 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made it 2d < 1304860506 244137 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>changed the syntax < 1304860513 732774 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nigger my langauge does not even have TYPES < 1304860524 581762 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool story bro < 1304860535 491699 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is literally the lowest you can get while having a sane structured language < 1304860537 392158 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you write a compiler and/or interpreter yet < 1304860542 548691 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304860545 738827 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not built off C < 1304860552 127079 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's built off the concepts that went into C < 1304860554 780420 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? perl? C#? < 1304860559 928665 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1304860576 484199 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean what language did you write the interperter in < 1304860583 894216 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:16 < wareya> yes < 1304860589 345717 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304860601 740847 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't even ask that before that < 1304860604 242061 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you nigger < 1304860607 357829 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1304860609 181960 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in GML < 1304860610 931679 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with it < 1304860613 928477 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>GML < 1304860615 67680 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lopl < 1304860638 259426 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I made a devperc interactive mode in devperc < 1304860647 609131 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because uh < 1304860658 465014 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redefine what a letter represents < 1304860662 494832 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304860662 759701 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can take input < 1304860664 788575 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do < 1304860673 425474 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ < 1304860688 431696 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a valid result. < 1304860698 795553 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very minimum, bout should have < 1304860700 897093 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boat < 1304860707 155224 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>expressions < 1304860709 979140 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>expression nesting < 1304860717 129425 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>arithmetic operators < 1304860734 512463 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304860740 283056 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>both direct and indirect memory addressing (hard values and pointers) < 1304860752 308110 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>if and while < 1304860763 746199 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>SOME way to call functions that doesn't dick out in 2d < 1304860764 304279 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complex < 1304860767 370042 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your language sucks < 1304860772 611444 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want less? < 1304860776 674029 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1304860778 832749 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more minimal < 1304860784 432466 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite brainfuck but < 1304860785 634341 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>no arithmetic < 1304860787 694632 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not C either < 1304860791 740919 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304860795 566583 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>no blocking of if statements < 1304860796 943558 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1304860797 118604 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I know < 1304860801 140417 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>only operators are the logic gates < 1304860801 563943 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like < 1304860804 577814 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304860812 240194 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ | & etc? < 1304860815 162130 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>if conditions with one following statement < 1304860816 662894 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>add goto < 1304860827 765818 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>no functions because I jsut added goto < 1304860831 751596 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god I just has a stupid idea < 1304860840 859852 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a boat < 1304860845 289307 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nigger my language has NEGATIVE SIZED VARIABLE ALLOCATION < 1304860847 701960 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't beat that < 1304860848 636778 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to give it a bearing in distance < 1304860856 269684 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and distance < 1304860860 320579 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1304860873 314287 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go 330 degrees 2 chars < 1304860893 467703 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gay because trig < 1304860900 59988 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>trig < 1304860902 181149 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>trig < 1304860903 538895 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>integers < 1304860903 615066 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trig is easy < 1304860905 97677 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.jpeg < 1304860910 484543 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer euclidean plane < 1304860912 483710 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::drool: < 1304860914 635417 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no trig allowed < 1304860919 710972 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK instead do < 1304860952 286645 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep woon < 1304860955 74622 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon < 1304860956 218609 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :North, north-east, west, south-west < 1304860957 175066 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 9:30 AM < 1304860961 170209 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1304860967 346193 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>oblique motion < 1304860974 491615 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so... < 1304860978 651757 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abusable. < 1304860980 250568 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1304860983 520221 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1304860992 40490 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreso than 2d + expression nesting < 1304861009 791286 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304861013 616890 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does boat wrap? < 1304861018 600642 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304861022 298196 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1304861025 574558 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1304861032 592116 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wraps to the adjecant line < 1304861035 319640 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::smiley16: < 1304861042 424900 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have hats and nine classes? < 1304861055 243061 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, but it has ten classes and party gibs. < 1304861061 366578 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1304861082 710177 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language only has one type < 1304861087 233044 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit integer < 1304861091 493100 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language doesn't knwo what a type is < 1304861100 490796 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is an integer with arbitrary length < 1304861106 731324 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1304861111 807896 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a binary blob < 1304861161 855189 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know < 1304861189 377780 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing about my language is how you can have negative-sized variables < 1304861191 619461 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion < 1304861192 732451 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk sleep < 1304861200 152798 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck does that work < 1304861206 653359 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::hehe16: < 1304861217 859235 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1304861268 450773 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does sound like you're either being nonsensical or busing terminology < 1304861277 538009 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1304861286 367851 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the memory from 0x0 looks like < 1304861296 685207 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :61 a9 1b 83 < 1304861311 169836 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you allocate a -2 byte sized variable at 0x2 < 1304861317 840312 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would hold a9 61 < 1304861325 535989 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1304861326 748071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1304861342 541289 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: that sounds interesting < 1304861366 874845 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: wht use does a -2 byte sized variable have? < 1304861374 289285 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abuse. < 1304861384 985131 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true < 1304861391 432790 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language is all about abuse < 1304861395 301378 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are negative sized arrays that work the same way < 1304861396 421514 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program can rewrite itself < 1304861593 23978 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1304861604 306129 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Deviating_Percolator#Executing_arbitrary_code < 1304862473 270052 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304862481 85142 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to write 99 bottles of beer in devperc < 1304862483 62249 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very hard < 1304862491 304912 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible, but hard < 1304863103 393639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1304863112 81810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have what looks like spam in my drafts < 1304863123 398830 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304863127 780410 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam attacks on esolang < 1304863128 611435 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304864934 743034 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1304864938 288260 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots keep coming < 1304865023 499794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have 2 admins and both of them haven't been available. < 1304865033 413692 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304865034 627208 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304865039 390132 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint for quickly restoring page < 1304865043 82910 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on history < 1304865046 34089 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :click old revision < 1304865048 765884 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :click edit < 1304865050 554683 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :click save < 1304865065 277519 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Editing an old revision replaces the current one < 1304865398 749013 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1304865415 174680 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEBODY DISABLE NON-AUTO-CONFIRMED EDITS < 1304865417 980543 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE < 1304866414 500037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I have discovered the Most Ridiculous Time Signature. < 1304866420 32433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I'll email graue. < 1304866500 935096 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1304866511 826433 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is the most ridiculous time signature? < 1304866639 726130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13/8 < 1304866695 352818 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304866709 307323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/the-broken-clock < 1304867780 806993 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT : < 1304868702 54999 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304870849 739236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-39.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304870876 519509 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-214.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304871995 144572 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304872428 698061 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304873432 192287 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304875023 705798 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304875049 326034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-236-39.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304876112 282247 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304876876 197474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304876879 588204 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304877467 460406 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-18.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304878689 576711 :raj!surajdsp@115.242.18.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304878806 536038 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-147-151.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304878938 378402 :raj!surajdsp@115.242.18.37 PART :#esoteric < 1304881349 680063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-233-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304881351 323750 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304881727 822385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sporadic keyboard lag under linux, as an effect of running windows update in a VM. Fuck all desktop OS. A RTOS would NEVER had done that to me. < 1304881794 960872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I have somehow gotten involved in yet another of RationalWiki's perennial dramas. < 1304881813 982455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno why, I see nothing there worth fighting for any more. < 1304881833 460821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, just leave then? < 1304881847 746802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I effectively have, it's just oddly compelling. < 1304881868 485962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, perhaps you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? < 1304881888 230861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that was weird.... nwn crashed while saving. On loading that save, it seems okay except I gained a 46 levels, and I got multiple feats that my class can't even have. Lucky I have the habit of saving to a new file every time instead of overwriting. < 1304881948 61685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I don't know what it says about minecraft, that nwn is perfectly playable on this computer on mid-graphics settings, while minecraft lags badly unless on tiny < 1304881970 569885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't nwn like 10 years old? < 1304881984 640750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 7-8 I think < 1304881996 123639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway it has way more flashy effects than minecraft < 1304882010 734559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: fuck intel graphics < 1304882796 519178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304882906 921343 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-147-151.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304882964 354526 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohi < 1304882966 224827 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1304882984 156864 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a challenge to all of you < 1304882993 695519 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile this language. It's impossible. < 1304882995 885236 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1304883278 395360 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to try < 1304883298 646812 :Ycros!~ycros@ycrosgnaw-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304883321 674778 :Ycros!~ycros@gnaw.ycros.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304883563 269444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to make a language where writing a language interpreter means you've also written a compiler < 1304883581 733086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just distorted a previous, more realistic idea of mine < 1304883635 598548 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was? < 1304883650 829644 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OK < 1304883654 238876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, the -rt tree is slowly but surely getting merged. < 1304883654 620904 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304883661 211457 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1304883665 206454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater93, I don't remember exactly < 1304883665 717230 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, eventually Linux *will be* a RTOS. < 1304883675 64138 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, then tell me approximately. < 1304883696 594636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah these spambots are persistent < 1304883707 65648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involed me writing a self-hosting language, then hiding a lot of the details in a Trusting-Trust way < 1304883708 571656 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they still inane < 1304883721 178833 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, lol < 1304883726 766266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo wants to make a language where writing a language interpreter means you've also written a compiler < 1304883730 287860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: specialisers. < 1304883743 350881 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, make people give you their stackoverflow login name before they log in. < 1304883744 987748 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1304883746 410464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Well, the -rt tree is slowly but surely getting merged. <-- uh? < 1304883746 487461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1304883753 414823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, will it help for intel graphics? < 1304883759 723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you mean real time < 1304883759 77413 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll bbs < 1304883760 466394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304883772 54578 :cheater93!~cheater04@ip-80-226-237-196.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304883783 691509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and yes that wounds good. But will it be hard realtime= < 1304883787 161357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1304883829 474011 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real brain power on display. Thnaks for that answer!" words of wisdom < 1304883855 456861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the spelling errors consistent? or does the spambot do random typos to prevent pattern matching? < 1304883897 470372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi btw < 1304883901 420093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal < 1304883932 665521 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's soft realtime. < 1304883976 875330 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing it does is make the kernel always preëmptible. < 1304884021 114456 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of these spam messages look consistent :( < 1304884026 666910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right, so not really what I want < 1304884038 271042 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any of them duplicates at all < 1304884044 650820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, keyboard input not lagging = hard realtime requirement to me < 1304884050 377001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to have consistently one-word edit summaries that mixed lowercase and capitals < 1304884057 556464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they've even deviated from that pattern now < 1304884063 837023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that implies X11 being hard realtime < 1304884068 101862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is improbable < 1304884075 182237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly improbable < 1304884076 508608 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, no, that's definitely soft realtime. < 1304884098 144154 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting sections to thank and praise everyone inanely is pretty nifty < 1304884100 847105 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see the point < 1304884103 180804 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Missing a deadline is not a complete and utter failure, it's a degradation in system usefulness. < 1304884109 651127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, depends on the system. If I say a keystrike must show up within n ms on the screen from me hitting the key < 1304884113 780838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be hard realtime < 1304884128 759736 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these misspellings are brilliant too < 1304884146 926327 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, linux-rt makes it so that *interactivity* latencies are straight-up going to happen, as far as I can tell. < 1304884163 215866 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans suck at noticing latency below something like 20-100ms. < 1304884169 817976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it could be if the missed deadline meant that the nuclear reactor controlling app didn't get the keystroke :P < 1304884174 822298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, keystrike? < 1304884176 671539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1304884202 93974 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're doing that you are probably wanting hard real-time guarantees down to the clock cycle. < 1304884221 441178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1304884254 370696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is hard to get without dropping superscalarity, caches, anything more than the most basic pipeline, and so on < 1304884296 234113 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard realtime is just something you're not going to get on commodity hardware. < 1304884313 37843 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, you design such that you ignore pretty much all of it. < 1304884319 918109 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, making the entire program fit in cache. :P < 1304884368 917390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1304884403 70654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or you can calculate on worst case. Like. pipeline stall on every instruction, cache miss all the time < 1304884455 241165 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1304884786 902475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think 13/8 is most ridiculous time signature, then also try writing a music with 13/7 time signature to see what happen < 1304884812 91797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I think 13/8 is the most ridiculous < 1304884815 22384 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: smacking starcoder < 1304884821 240798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely 17824/12384 is way worse for example < 1304884835 57704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 1878465.512/pi < 1304884843 375070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that even possible?) < 1304884852 980175 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304884891 210966 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that time signatures have to be rational. < 1304884892 283213 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304884922 188642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, argh < 1304884985 139506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know also the denominator must be a power of two (so 13/7 isn't correct) < 1304885005 552085 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, no reason for it to be a power of two. < 1304885212 456344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as far as I know it always is. Although, you could make it that it isn't < 1304885255 498847 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304885292 304721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304885725 863765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304885741 954787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know those really lazy spams you mentioned which just had a "lol you've won" title and a bunch of form fields as the body? < 1304885751 448058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just received the laziest yet < 1304885934 101148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was it? < 1304885958 570279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know viral scams have been spotted, which aim at people who are currently being scammed and persuade them to send the money somewhere else < 1304885961 851100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of clever, actually < 1304886010 591915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Subject: CLAIM OF £1,000,000.00 IN THE BT PROMO < 1304886012 21775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Body: < 1304886014 709590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--cut-- < 1304886015 667395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names. < 1304886015 744854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nationality. < 1304886016 629858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--cut-- < 1304886035 699854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that's just checking for the presence of a reply < 1304886131 772406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any HTML body? < 1304886135 153884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that it= < 1304886137 415869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1304886152 752326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If there's an HTML body, that's the HTML body. < 1304886371 255951 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, obviously you're supposed to reply with your names and nationality < 1304886376 473390 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no thinking involved, just do it < 1304886638 844732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304887030 831609 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304887416 174224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1304887422 751998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1304887886 82772 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks to the right < 1304887889 410629 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not night there < 1304888018 453187 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-18.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304889150 997815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.5*9.8*(4*30*24*60*60)^2 < 1304889151 503793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.2672757760000006e14 < 1304889807 529969 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just now, I made up a program in QBASIC for adding up the total of a flight log book (at someone's request because they were taking too long the other way and never knew if they did it correctly or not) < 1304890179 108797 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night. < 1304890183 99712 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1304890299 267686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf|offline, you know, there's a reason IRC has a quit command. < 1304890611 381607 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, in WHAT? < 1304890634 392208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print "test" < 1304890635 39202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1304890647 729288 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> why no python < 1304890648 362084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `why'Not in scope: `no'Not in scope: `python' < 1304890897 341497 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It is in QBASIC < 1304890905 960883 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304890908 436763 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make me sick. < 1304890919 127741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwhat. < 1304890940 653068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland has mandatory military service and is neutral. < 1304890947 974614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes... very little sense. < 1304890966 686152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"neutral" just means that everyone is a potential enemy and you have no allies < 1304891234 839310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell me why egobot sent me a ridiculously complicated ctcp message the other day? < 1304891246 373572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a common issue. < 1304892425 665848 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304892755 191725 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Tup has so very many killer features. < 1304892762 517341 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ♥ its .gitignore support. < 1304893567 62603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304893591 696511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1304893876 39287 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304893905 969462 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest59242 < 1304894290 204931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304894297 501979 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304894698 245452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP EgoBot and HackEgo < 1304894961 132018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : We have 2 admins and both of them haven't been available. < 1304894970 652121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think there are 3 < 1304894994 859121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except cpressey may not realize he is one < 1304895027 252664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm not even including graue) < 1304895091 530524 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304896045 621685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304896854 603371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "neutral" just means that everyone is a potential enemy and you have no allies < 1304896880 234265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in finland's case, i think it meant you wish discourage a certain "friend" from getting too "friendly" < 1304896887 194144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wish to < 1304896921 620047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was back in the cold war, it makes less sense now as an EU member < 1304896969 985738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:38:02 Finland has mandatory military service and is neutral. < 1304896973 13261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:38:09 That makes... very little sense. < 1304896975 395540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ also to that < 1304897020 383610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : can someone tell me why egobot sent me a ridiculously complicated ctcp message the other day? < 1304897069 420138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia made it. and then someone complained to freenode staff, who demanded Gregor take the bots down until the "loophole" was closed < 1304897113 904341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was a slight misspelling of something that could cause some rare broken clients to crash, afaik) < 1304897116 718421 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-177-191.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304897316 58225 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304898199 961220 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that fixed ages ago? < 1304898263 849885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wouldn't know but guesses so < 1304898343 616322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they don't want to disallow old clients < 1304898417 976228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1304898909 824352 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304898917 83720 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304899258 508281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in love with Judas, Judas < 1304899298 345338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, the character's fairly boring, IMO. Portrayals of him in other fiction, though, tends not to be) < 1304900851 251209 :Guest59242!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1304900968 871501 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xamuel.com/formula.php?program=fibonacci < 1304900987 468427 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody make a Brainfuck interpreter in this. < 1304900988 795436 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye~ < 1304902105 736422 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-177-191.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304903147 790273 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304903303 984156 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304904437 666310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304904438 618774 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-74.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304907743 789576 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@dsl-66-115-78-172.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Quit: Pardon me, but I have to go die in NetHack again. < 1304910233 82452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304910863 637022 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1304911056 666608 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xamuel.com/images/piequals4.png < Anybody mathy enough to say what the actual final result of this process would be? < 1304911130 874514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the length is always 4, and the set in a sense converges to a circle. it's just not the right sense of convergence to preserve length. < 1304911140 136674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sets < 1304911527 231107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jotesrlgeritg9jdkjjruvgchvcn uizhvd>>>>>?>:::::::>>>>>>?>?? < 1304914700 165551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cursing of the keyboard challenged < 1304914715 813811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304914737 331937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KILLED LAMBDABOT! < 1304914787 413324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD UBUNTU < 1304914790 361046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANT WAIT TWO HOURS < 1304914791 988895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR YOUR BULL SHIT < 1304914793 113959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1304917358 987392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A lot of the bloom-forming algae are incredibly slutty" < 1304918422 860585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304918567 664162 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304919623 380085 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304919978 382059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu upgrade update the ubuntu logo next to "Applications" is now a broken image sign < 1304920011 498511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i appear to have lost my flash plugin. < 1304920094 604299 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304920099 473859 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304920278 211677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq have you everugpgraded an operating systseme... < 1304920281 66892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is .. FUN < 1304920287 509827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things break a lot < 1304920368 336389 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sounds like Ubuntu sucks. < 1304920387 638944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's just because everything's changed, wrt. GNOME and Unity. < 1304920394 207358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, my volume control icon just changed. < 1304920403 498583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it even let you be in graphical mode while it does this. < 1304920419 734711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just a recipe for lol. < 1304920438 627203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI DEBCONF OMG WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW~ < 1304920444 318759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It's replacing GNOME 2 with GNOME 3 & Unity *on the fly*? < 1304920457 730553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not even sure if it is GNOME three? < 1304920467 109776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be: GNOME three but with gnome-panel and metacity/compiz. < 1304920473 311965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure. < 1304920479 622826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it is doing things on the proverbial fly. < 1304920480 638237 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's using GTK 3, it's GNOME 3. < 1304920485 682026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1304920498 255936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not like Debian wouldn't let you do this either, if you ran the updater. < 1304920498 332430 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there's a GTK 3 now. < 1304920499 14529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its < 1304920501 313171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know. < 1304920506 880695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that Ubuntu does it all the time. :p < 1304920515 158161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, it's updating bcc, the sixteen-bit ELKS compiler. < 1304920523 505304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad that has a new version. < 1304920524 976423 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that Debian does breaking changes rarely outside of testing. < 1304920539 189549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stable GNOME two -> stable GNOME three. < 1304920539 265868 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, testing/unstable < 1304920542 246219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a distribution upgrade, dude. < 1304920546 521224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a regular upgrade. < 1304920559 898990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I was referring to that. < 1304920568 162341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand Debian does extensive testing of upgrades. < 1304920575 807690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how this is "breaking" anything, though. < 1304920577 320682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tells you "fucking stop X". < 1304920585 863100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the location of the Ubuntu logo for the panel has moved and -- < 1304920589 658671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at that, I just got the updated one. < 1304920590 871341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apt doesn't, the documentation does) < 1304920618 661148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might be running Firefox Three with Firefox Four files now. < 1304920622 926922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame almost nothing does atomic updates. But oh well. < 1304920629 501875 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: REBOOT < 1304920637 787648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It isn't finished yet. And why the caps. < 1304920660 849734 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because for the love of god < 1304920676 320934 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: apt is currently running. < 1304920679 515766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the weird shit. < 1304920690 863787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is science, you don't appreciate science, go fuck yourself. I will now refuse to reboot for the next ten minutes. < 1304920695 525853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA < 1304920697 662732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAS SCIENCE WROUGHT < 1304920701 107510 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake < 1304920707 970024 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and potato batteries < 1304920720 66414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww it hasn't updated Firefox yet it seems, just its icon. < 1304920726 387001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna get the two versions running simultaneously. < 1304920730 64646 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304920738 619989 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :science it up < 1304920746 12355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Replace the customised configuration file /etc/grub.d/[thirty]_os-prober'?" < 1304920748 206333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difference between the files: < 1304920750 565456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[EMPTY FUCKING PANE] < 1304920857 948501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aszxrolp[;lotrdjiotresjiopknllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll jgvyitcyvhjb nkyutfibugotrbyuogtgyu < 1304920861 242359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM ABUSING MY KEYBOARD FOR SCIENCE < 1304920877 354881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG HI DEBCONF < 1304920882 891291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You went away without asking me anything :( < 1304920883 461260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rude < 1304920939 539769 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, don't worry about it. < 1304920955 544583 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just wondering whether you wanted to turn on the automated kitten-kicker. < 1304920960 704734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You answered "yes". < 1304920976 533250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's how all Apple laptops work. < 1304920999 511488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've engineered the kittens to be completely flat, and to have no audial way to express their pain. < 1304921003 672985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have no mouth. < 1304921086 623881 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304921093 359866 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned efficient power source, though. < 1304921128 194920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd < 1304921177 50323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....that came out worse than I intended. Despite not actually saying anything. < 1304921204 326419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrades always feel so nasty, compared to clean installs; i'm going to blame this on bad OS design, like everything < 1304921219 295985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants @ < 1304921238 345701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1304921244 537388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox < 1304921251 729547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had a parse error < 1304921255 988180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an internal chrome file < 1304921261 155910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the file no longer exists < 1304921266 431491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is officially too crazy < 1304921281 787158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this made it unable to load a page) < 1304921328 364169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye obsolete packages < 1304921337 266335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye universe < 1304921357 36602 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense smell of despair < 1304921365 233800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's face it < 1304921371 464338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no possible way this update will work without problems < 1304921372 373401 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw I changed the name of my file format < 1304921376 438993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1304921377 423904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :penisfile? < 1304921377 720850 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not cockfiles anymore < 1304921385 852436 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're now just .t < 1304921392 605333 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1304921393 982117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, t for penisfile < 1304921394 79059 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't tell what do those stand for. < 1304921414 713267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's for Themostboringnameever < 1304921422 130216 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good :) < 1304921425 589693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304921436 430262 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcockfile < 1304921436 531180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait it's for Thisfileisacockfile < 1304921440 874683 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh < 1304921451 501463 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm.. < 1304921457 182380 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304921505 174854 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's free comic book day tomorrow, except that no-one holds it here in my country < 1304921561 707171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304921568 715004 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304921579 817964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is [not] true! < 1304921592 583095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .t extension is already used by, among others, terse -- the bestest way to *leverage* (8086-asm) programmer *productivity* evar, now for only $49.00 -- http://www.terse.com/ < 1304921603 196025 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304921607 438885 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kekekekekeekekekeke < 1304921609 713627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now grub won't boot < 1304921610 578594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304921613 485407 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>what the fuck do I do now < 1304921618 765673 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck did you do < 1304921632 26992 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think I could go far as occupy .c -extensions. < 1304921634 513522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated ubuntu < 1304921638 402170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You broke it; now you buy a new computer. < 1304921645 104518 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: You could start it. < 1304921645 745292 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.c(ock) < 1304921653 382619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: Surely they have comic book stores in Finland. < 1304921662 952302 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh man, terseEXCLAMATION MARK < 1304921668 497223 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub should be written in terse. < 1304921671 904658 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would fit into the boot sector. < 1304921684 897712 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be OPTOMIZED. < 1304921692 661915 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% Satisfied Customer Base! < 1304921704 993915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it shouldn't be written in terse - because there is no Free compiler of terse (as far as I know). < 1304921739 147233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But if there was, it wouldn't matter much if they did use their version because what is important is it is being compatible.) < 1304921748 214492 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: make zzo38 stop promoting vicious lies. < 1304921775 978891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Do you think it is lies? What one is lies? < 1304921783 822998 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is free in the new world of terse < 1304921785 893824 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1304921842 679701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway I < 1304921851 6158 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowfuck < 1304921852 393034 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll burn an Ubuntu install CD later and try again from scratch? < 1304921856 838140 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse is actually a good one. < 1304921868 824162 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: what < 1304921881 392636 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume this is some new definition of "good" of which I was previously unaware. < 1304921933 75598 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it looks nice. < 1304921944 130624 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I borrow your palms? < 1304921951 455094 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have enough to place on my face. :/ < 1304921961 834624 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nicest things ever, yes: eax - 10 ? =={ eax = 1; },{ eax = 0; }; dx = 1000; { dx-; }<>; < 1304921966 601210 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, you can read that without the manual. < 1304921975 789551 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very < 1304921977 356325 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse < 1304921982 822983 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1304921985 915579 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304922006 484524 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse that is not < 1304922107 945172 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304922111 144092 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still has couple nice properties for the hand-written assembly language. < 1304922111 537945 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously how did GRUB just brick itself. < 1304922113 515922 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING CHANGED. < 1304922140 146200 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1304922146 570721 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. now this just sucks. :) < 1304922157 124506 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304922175 402932 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this guy sells not an assembler but something like.. assembler that writes out assembly. < 1304922187 491859 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1304922194 960407 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" generates .ASM files as its output. I did this to assure you compatibility with whatever development tools you may be using. You continue to use the same operand syntax you are already familiar with. < 1304922196 706083 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that called a compiler < 1304922198 944992 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1304922208 329874 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh. compiler < 1304922231 37088 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it looks good to me because I think of it as an assembly notation < 1304922274 390331 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll install Windows Me on this here macbook instead of fixing ubuntu < 1304922275 791473 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the OPTOMIZED trademark from the USPTO search thingie. :/ < 1304922277 672299 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the word OPTOMIZED is a trademark of the terse dude < 1304922282 967822 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh < 1304922291 672872 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so slow today < 1304922296 477605 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He OPTOMIZED the trademarking process. < 1304922304 770491 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Instead of actually trademarking it, he just says it's trademarked, so nobody dares to use it. < 1304922305 109443 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that kind of notation will NOT work well with tri-arity instruction sets that are more common than x86-style bi-arity ones. < 1304922311 86672 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/pics/topyello.gif < 1304922326 884199 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1304922332 413792 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT MY UNTBUNU BACK ;______; < 1304922341 461033 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/notprog.htm < 1304922352 577684 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D < 1304922354 410989 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1304922357 309258 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose weight with torso. < 1304922359 91604 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this would be a great opportunity to back up my shit and send this laptop for repairs... < 1304922375 96269 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys let's put the optomized logo on all our sites ;D < 1304922380 549720 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have sites < 1304922383 274529 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1304922385 979484 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna make so much software < 1304922388 184190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can put that logo on < 1304922390 461007 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEVALUING IT ENTIRELY < 1304922391 667865 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get sued < 1304922393 77839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, it is not bad; even it could have macros and (switchable) optimization (I don't know if it has), but problem is proprietary software with no Free compatible software. Even then, I would use it only for software specifically for x86 computers (such as, MBR programs). Application program I would use C or whatever < 1304922488 673057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/neildeal.htm < 1304922519 887856 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your favorite software vendor isn't using TERSE and displaying the TOP logo on their products, send them an E-Mail and tell them you deserve the quality that TERSE can add to their products." -- worth a Ubuntu/Mozilla/any-other-large-project brainstorm/wishlist/whatever item? < 1304922532 483121 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for a parser and substitutor ^^ < 1304922538 616607 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YES. < 1304922540 231603 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn he has a business idea to say the least. < 1304922594 98642 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also write 200 lines of code and sell it 50 bucks a license < 1304922594 616434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/ "PLEASE USE TERSE, WE DESERVE IT" < 1304922620 20517 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Report a problem < 1304922640 893279 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or microsoft style. If I had enough money I could hire 200 coders to write 200 lines of useful code and sell it for 300€ per license. < 1304922720 881893 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1304922722 564553 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants a login < 1304922730 830429 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to make a bullshit openid < 1304922741 760575 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goterse < 1304922760 847071 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go terse gadget < 1304922777 611815 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have an at sign < 1304922779 26551 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz < 1304922781 588094 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1304922791 480663 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idontwanttogiveyouanemail@ivaluemyprivacy.nothankyou < 1304922792 819062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my email < 1304922802 172013 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_is_not_written_in_terse < 1304922804 445952 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz vote up < 1304922807 499913 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1304922985 563324 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304923208 532049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBUNTU COME BACK TO ME THIS IS SO PAINFUL. < 1304923368 801873 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304923381 878493 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304923688 202662 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304923894 479932 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Hey, your problem got a reply from God. That's: impressive. < 1304923906 96055 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh lord. < 1304923910 332758 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant Notch. < 1304923924 777649 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is... much less interesting than that would have been. < 1304923926 617407 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just God. < 1304923937 554795 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notch?" "No, just God." < 1304923957 865981 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should click that "I have this problem" button, I might add. < 1304924008 495474 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replies to God. < 1304924077 758726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests and finds out that fungot _does_ censor DCC output < 1304924077 967257 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lucky bastard :) but i didn't give the impression that you want to < 1304924093 478281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it censors lots of things, including love < 1304924100 316430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1304924129 126000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs at Terse < 1304924133 156783 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304924165 232370 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304924486 624110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304924491 58928 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 0)S < 1304924491 135326 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 0 < 1304924495 833356 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh dear. < 1304924501 905042 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304924513 925968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure takes one back. < 1304924535 64159 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1304924542 566678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that my attitude towards tests ends up being "Hmm, test coming up. Better learn the subject matter."? < 1304924543 788436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hey i was _trying_ to give fizzie time to fix it... < 1304924559 563365 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I apologise for my independent testing. < 1304924580 237604 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a startkeylogger nonsense in years. < 1304924620 284531 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used to filter all control characters at some point, though I've forgotten if it was just the ^bf . command or something more generic. < 1304924622 725331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so whistles innocently < 1304924622 803373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whistles innocently not available < 1304924625 280917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That was 2006. You are getting nostalgic about 5 years ago. < 1304924647 510541 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, you'd better take fungot down until it's fixed... < 1304924647 875172 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ha ha starship troopers and i think orange, earlier, but i < 1304924649 324900 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years is half a decade. < 1304924666 533811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a relatively short span of time. < 1304924667 861545 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitter bot famine. < 1304924698 115749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you're talking to a guy who considers 1990 "hardly any time ago". ... And I was *born* in 1990. < 1304924745 40378 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you going to do the responsible thing and quit or what? < 1304924745 799514 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " willfully providing inaccurate or false information. never mind. it needs a c library for implementing history editing etc mini-icon " toolbar" for my befunge variant... good? i proceeded to write a macro for defining abbreviations. < 1304924767 997445 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shhh, Plazma is watching. < 1304924774 839812 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATCHING ALL OF US. < 1304924802 530646 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: OKAY OKAY you don't have to get all BENT OUT OF SHAPE < 1304924848 386487 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BENT OUT OF SHAPE < 1304924946 670978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so exactly what is the necessary part of the hack, does it have to be \1DCC SEND startkeylogger + some numbers exactly? < 1304924971 643058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i _still_ think it would be sad to disallow \1ACTION :( < 1304925014 308510 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's just the string "startkeylogger" over DCC, I think. < 1304925020 518419 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's DCC SEND [long enough string]. < 1304925025 953168 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just refuse to say anything with "\[one]DCC" in it. < 1304925034 21847 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304925041 260894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "hack" was that Norton would detect it as a "hacking" attempt, and then drop the IRC connection. < 1304925044 352645 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disallowing CTCPs entirely is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, except that the bathwater evaporated five fucking years ago jesus this is not a problem any more. < 1304925048 790353 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculous. < 1304925092 897836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh heh it's not _actually_ a security flaw, but an excessive _prevention_ of a security flaw? :D < 1304925105 939743 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304925115 759186 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to recap. < 1304925124 973959 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a five year old version of Norton that you have not updated, < 1304925128 625821 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that Norton's silly firewall just looked for the word; it was possible to just say it on-channel in a regular way and have people drop. < 1304925134 448690 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a specific string that is seen maybe once every three w- < 1304925139 484858 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's something to do with the string length, apparently. < 1304925148 439320 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: This is Urban Dictionary-sourced information, which is I know ridiculous. < 1304925151 761911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's another malformed-string-request thing that affects some routers; http://nullroute.eu.org/~grawity/startkeylogger.html < 1304925158 180363 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-w, not w, years, once every three years, < 1304925163 353086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN your IRC connection could get dropped. < 1304925167 495741 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOEZZE < 1304925199 698851 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304925202 450885 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's two separate bug scombined. < 1304925232 683012 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By our bugs combined, I am, Captain Startkeylogger. < 1304925256 941346 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, s/our/your/ < 1304925264 48429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes more sense that way, admittedly. < 1304925277 876275 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger < 1304925280 80068 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger startkeylogger startkeylogger < 1304925281 363043 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger < 1304925285 335809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, didn't think a non-American would really know of that. < 1304925287 539643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lartkeystogger. < 1304925300 665436 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, \[one]DCC SEND = zero; startkeylogger = one. < 1304925303 696122 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's talk in binary ASCII. < 1304925315 178276 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They showed Captain Planet (maybe even dubbed?) in Finland too when I was young. < 1304925336 903427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit surprised is all. < 1304925347 66651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured it was too shitty to export. :P < 1304925349 718370 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's internet-famous, everyone knows it. < 1304925361 668068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true, it definitely did break out into the memosphere. < 1304925493 66393 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpofboijkijooijfoijogjoggjoigjeroigerigksngjkngejkrsngkdflgkmsefndkflnsngkjnfkvjrngrjkbkfverbkjef letters are pretty; also, i want my ubuntu back < 1304925517 236059 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of it, what's captain planet and why does it make "captain startkeylogger" funny? < 1304925529 379283 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Sting was one of the voice actors in it; didn't know that. < 1304925529 553164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, our "channel 3" (the first "commercial" channel) showed it in 1991, according to fi-Wikipedia; and it doesn't seem they bothered to dub it. < 1304925600 67360 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Captain Planet's slogan -- when he appears after the Planeteers combine their rings -- "what kind of stupid power is Heart anyway?" -- is "by your powers combined, I am Captain Planet". < 1304925619 189199 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And it doesn't exactly make it funny, just free-associating from elliott's "two bugs combined" comment. < 1304925633 430988 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Captain Planet should be the written in Terse language for good. < 1304925648 445843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok :) < 1304925680 125723 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Captain Planet is something like the power rangers' combined form? < 1304925688 295355 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist ducks < 1304925698 793086 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it didn't hit Sweden in olsner's childhood. < 1304925705 710916 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers -- triplicate trope namer and all. < 1304925716 957505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If the Power Rangers had no actual abilities. < 1304925736 238686 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just magic rings which mostly could summon Captain Planet. < 1304925757 559654 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304925804 616424 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could do some other stuff with the rings too, each related to their corresponding element. Usually they tried something, failed miserably, then ended up (approximately once/episode) summoning Captain Planet to take care of it. < 1304925817 324832 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow this was supposed to teach that we're all responsible for the environment. < 1304925819 804063 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qbiabawibwibiwbeiiueqiebiquebuiqiuqeiqwiewqieqwieqweiqweuiqwuqweiqueiiqeiwqueiqwieqwieiwqeiweiqweqiwwww. < 1304925833 467977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just like Power Rangers! Except Power Rangers had their aesops external to the story < 1304925857 581042 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power FLOOPERS. < 1304925862 143638 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power KLOBNTOS. < 1304925870 309061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, and uh, power rangers didn't summon some .. thi... ok, analogy I'm lost. Also, elliott unignored me for some reason. < 1304925887 810554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The Power Rangers certainly did summon things. < 1304925895 621822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant mechs! < 1304925908 805212 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ubuntu borked. < 1304925916 871736 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Japanese television (no, really, they reused the CG from a Japanese TV show) < 1304925928 558720 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought power rangers was that one where they summoned a big fallos to fight for them. < 1304925937 328068 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Power Rangers just a super-loose adaption of a Japanese show? < 1304925950 813040 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: If by "super-loose" you mean "they reused the CG". < 1304925953 446712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point was, Power Rangers also did a once-an-episode ... thing < 1304925985 88502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Curiously, the dub of Power Rangers is also fairly popular in Japan. < 1304925992 350190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE popular in Japan. < 1304926000 449504 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4311e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1304926002 831239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but David Hasselhoff is in Germany. < 1304926079 481177 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you go tentacle, you stay in the pentacle." --isometric. < 1304926158 880542 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometric? wasn't that a hemingway quote? < 1304926168 291363 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1304926174 702701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hemingway writes Isometric. < 1304926180 242463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, obviously < 1304926187 566831 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isometric.sixsided.org/strips/you_dont_go_back/ is the particular strip in question. < 1304926215 999767 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's crap[exclamation mark] Your a priori skycastles will avail us nothing[exclamation mark] More datapoints are called for[exclamation mark] The scientific method my good man[exclamation mark][inverted exclamation mark]9[three][four]" --Ernest Hemingway < 1304926217 415243 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lorum ipsum dolor sic amet but in this case you'll wish you did" always makes me smile. < 1304926356 910749 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`UBUNTU YOU BETTER START DOWNLOADING QUICKER. I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOUR BULL SHIT. < 1304926364 244141 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS SHIT THAT COMES FROM A BULL AND IT IS UP TO HERE THAT I HAVE HAD IT WITH.± < 1304927453 505566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304927697 116074 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One way seems to be to put some muscle behind the company’s native dev tools, like Visual C++. I noticed a brief mention in Somasegar’s e-mail of “WinC++.” It turns out that the new name for Visual C++ is going to be WinC++ — something confirmed by a Microsoft job posting which mentions the “Windows C++ a.k.a. Visual C++ team.”" < 1304927700 613569 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will solve EVERYTHING < 1304927826 922767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's a reason they didn't call it FailC++! < 1304927926 367334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304928023 292474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FailC++ is however the obvious choice for LoseThos < 1304928225 502484 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1304928238 816778 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I think oerjan has come close to expressing an actual opinion, I realise it's a pune :D < 1304928254 423762 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoseThos Facebook Group < 1304928256 227816 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh FUCK eys < 1304928258 65433 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304928660 563141 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF2D9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304928687 242406 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrence Andrew Davis I ordered a couple of these. Hopefully, I can get LoseThos working with USB (on my PC) for this one device. One device should be easy, especially, if I can control both ends. I already ported my 8051 assembler to LoseThos (on my PC). < 1304928688 930547 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my PC) < 1304928731 52811 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF9A5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304928790 720070 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[When I started in 2003, security was big news and I was designing a system with no defence against malware. Since I had no real interest in doing network code myself, I went ahead and said no networking to hush security obsessed paranoid people. < 1304928790 925311 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't have any ideas on making a better browser and I think doing a network "stack" (as the kids say) is difficult. I have a feeling there are propriatary Microsoft network protocols involved? < 1304928791 1815 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I respect Bush for being a man of his word, if nothing else, and I hope to be a man of my word. You can do networking. By the way, the "constitution" started as "promises" but that spounded gay.]] < 1304928795 270101 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last sentence < 1304928882 872515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay spounding is all the rage < 1304929688 556791 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-29.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304929689 406955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304930244 600411 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Forget God, I've got a response from NIVLAC. < 1304930644 683487 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304931285 215840 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304932796 676247 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, started fungot's tweeting side again, since the IRC side is temporarily silent. < 1304932799 427111 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2011-05-09 10:57:49] Tweeted: About NetHack: into a locked shop. both arboreal and terrestrial, the beautiful warrior-maids of odin who rode through the vorpal blade... (fungot) < 1304935431 878350 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304935435 504264 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Code.tar.gz contains an executable file. For security reasons, Google Mail does not allow you to send this type of file." < 1304935438 660342 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>are you fucking kidding me < 1304935469 504103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is impressive, ircing while jogging < 1304935517 850624 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the magic of bashing random keys < 1304935529 43311 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah i'm reinstalling all up in this bitch < 1304935535 901134 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technical term) < 1304935612 73563 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is the time --><_-- < 1304935618 228879 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 QUIT :Client Quit < 1304936509 961667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304937959 596917 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304937984 904524 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Unity thing doesn't seem as bad as the last time I used it. < 1304938104 78226 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 QUIT :Client Quit < 1304939051 462610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304939067 324998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, however, not sure I can go so far as to tolerate it. < 1304939165 799116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it is simply too different for my fragile mind right now. < 1304939206 196012 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304939206 663543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304939222 782848 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the... < 1304939229 75483 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304939256 978747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304939275 338008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh, good old shitty GNOME. < 1304939325 124078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1304939332 844814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304939545 99257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to agree with Vorpal's policy of avoiding non-LTS relea I DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING CLICK THAT WINDOW WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING IT < 1304939636 595592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am finding it very hard to come up with reasons to not reinstall the previous version. < 1304939728 869120 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com < 1304940093 623924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD WHAT DO YOU THINK CLICK SENSITIVITY IS MEANT TO BE. < 1304940100 607594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN LIGHTLY BRUSH ON THIS TOUCHPAD AND YOU THINK IT'S A CLICK. < 1304940103 123769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED. < 1304940107 873298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M GOING TO INSTALL THE OLD VERSION. < 1304941495 202631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304941666 898864 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304941668 555759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-230-29.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304942727 834810 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304943048 439607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304944235 444920 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304944262 514597 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: friendly tip: natty narwhal is amazingly bad in pretty much every way, both Unity and Gnome < 1304944273 802745 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly bad enough that i've just clean-install-downgraded < 1304944294 978351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottog: thanks; I was being cautious about upgrading because I guessed something like that might happen < 1304944300 948339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a confirmation is good < 1304944316 771652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to wait for the next LTS, and then to use it if it's decent, or change distro if it isn't < 1304944322 155788 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possibly better if you're not on a laptop -- the touchpad handling was just awful, I could be typing normally and it'd decide I clicked < 1304944327 562876 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... eugh < 1304944333 558905 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-tabbing is now slow, somehow < 1304944334 679191 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how they managed this feat < 1304944347 574963 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Unity still just feels awkward < 1304944375 982032 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-214.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304944377 696629 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, wrt changing distro, now that gnome three's out you get the whole other world of pain known as gnome shell < 1304944391 33673 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ gnome-panel and metacity are still distributed with gnome three though < 1304944392 596743 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-208.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304944398 640428 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possible to avoid that... for now < 1304944429 704660 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304944444 518047 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear linux world: between unity, gnome three, and kde four, you have singlehandedly managed to completely redesign the desktop thrice, and each time fail utterly at it. please go back to ripping off Microsoft, it was far more productive < 1304944514 717560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3 is still being maintained < 1304944521 310425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by the KDE people, it was forked < 1304944524 283998 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Trinity is < 1304944528 983357 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a fork, yes < 1304944545 736152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out how nibbles was screwed up so badly, in the meantime < 1304944550 394567 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, KDE Three isn't the environment I'm interested in < 1304944556 620604 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME Two is; it's always been mediocre, but grahgerghriegherhgierhi all this new shit is terrible < 1304944558 799803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed all its major bugs in singleplayer a while back (by sending patches to the maintainers) < 1304944567 328807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lots of bugs seem to have crept back in < 1304944569 601061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do it again < 1304944582 779122 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might see if I can keep this installation longer than cpressey did without upgrading :) < 1304944588 945937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about a gnome 2-like shell running on gnome 3? would that be an option? < 1304944594 288505 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was on a two thousand and six release this year, I think < 1304944622 229658 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, until gnome-panel and metacity bitrot, that's a good option. < 1304944627 784192 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (I mean, an /acceptable/ option.) < 1304944635 457178 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But it can't be long until GTK API changes break it. < 1304944638 987653 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's fashionable. < 1304944647 753869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll have to keep porting gnome-panel, then < 1304944648 310712 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they've explicitly said they don't give a shit about maintaining them any more. < 1304944652 740728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use Compiz rather than Metacity < 1304944672 662659 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going to try and maintain gnome-panel/metacity up to bitrot; I guess I still will. < 1304944672 852961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I prefer Compiz, although Metacity is tolerable < 1304944696 606598 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz would be nice if it wasn't for all the bugs, and the fact that development-wise it's more focused on wibbly-wobbly than using compositing to do useful things. < 1304944711 375431 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel this is more relevant than ever, wrt GNOME Three: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html < 1304944765 644481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottog: I find the opacity/brightness/saturation contrast control massively useful < 1304944838 604834 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean per-window? < 1304944842 74477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304944857 274021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although even per-screen is useful < 1304944867 763320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as my laptop doesn't have very fine controls for that < 1304944887 778319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the laptop's builtin brightness control makes no visible difference, and it doesn't have contrast controls < 1304944891 660309 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tempted to start using OS X more rather than resign myself to gradually-bitrotting software here < 1304944891 886972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ofc opacity is only useful per-window) < 1304944906 15946 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Apple's regular let's-fuck-up-the-entire-interface bouts are /predictable/ < 1304944911 549800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear OS X will end up going the same way too < 1304944920 971716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows will instead fall to fragmentation < 1304944922 8760 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been going the same way since like five years ago < 1304944925 191374 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will go the same way forever < 1304944928 855127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Mint is sticking with GNOME 2, I think < 1304944933 71849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it tries to run 10 different windowing paradigms at once and you can't follow it any more < 1304944934 230157 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with OS X, it does it in predictable ways < 1304944942 676307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's good in itself, as it implies they'll maintain it < 1304944946 215748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you use it or not < 1304944963 241357 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Linux desktop redesign is in fact the only source of true random numbers in the universe < 1304944987 126380 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, Xfce still exists, and is pretty much Gnome Two except slightly different < 1304944999 475812 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the most practical migration path < 1304945007 500975 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it fits in fine with gnome programs < 1304945023 122791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very experienced with desktop environments other than the Big Two < 1304945037 995290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can tolerate KDE 4 (assuming the bugs have been fixed since I last looked at it) < 1304945041 159131 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having number keys is so great < 1304945051 365290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I trust them to keep maintaining it though, or if they'll eventually surrender, or just write their own thing, or what < 1304945074 653336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an existing open source project is normally easier than just writing your own thing < 1304945080 936028 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE Four is, I think, what happens when you take the typical "We need to change... EVERYTHING... it isn't about consequences... it's about PROGRESS" session, and try and "keep the spirit of KDE", < 1304945097 506584 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you think the spirit of KDE is "it looks different to GNOME and has a large raw number of settings" < 1304945100 737138 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you still manage to fuck it up < 1304945116 463804 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find KDE4 has removed all the useful settings, though < 1304945122 690984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your own thing is either trivial (where reimplementing it tends to be faster than finding a library that does what you want and disabling the features you don't need, then checking to see if it does exactly what you want), or really bizarre < 1304945126 928867 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: yep, but it still has a lot of them[exclamation mark] < 1304945142 553839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I last used KDE 4, I couldn't find the settings manager at all < 1304945147 214895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some sort of bug that hid it < 1304945152 623854 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, time to restart to get a resolution that isn't six-forty by four-eighty < 1304945161 215198 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I might do is try the new Xubuntu release sometime < 1304945164 162970 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be as bad as Ubuntu proper < 1304945175 627474 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a GNOME Two-esque configuration of Xfce < 1304945179 322220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea /why/ Ubuntu's going down the Unity route? < 1304945183 392543 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh no wait < 1304945186 25813 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've added a shitty dock thing < 1304945191 91822 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because GNOME Shell is /really/ terrible < 1304945209 241239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottog: ah, I see < 1304945224 423947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Unity is an attempt to write a new shell from scratch because the one that was being suggested to them was bad < 1304945229 171228 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since they had a launcher-manager-thing already... < 1304945231 812787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they screwed it up, but not quite as badly as Gnome did? < 1304945233 540271 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, it was created for the netbook edition < 1304945241 429619 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, they might have planned this in secret < 1304945249 493378 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but publicly, it was "Hey, we're going to use the netbook one for the desktop version too." < 1304945266 929785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how good ReactOS' implementation of the Windows shell is? < 1304945271 649240 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure whether they screwed it up more; I can't use Unity, but I don't know whether that's a personal failing or bad design < 1304945279 745620 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1304945284 830402 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they could screw it up /more/ than GNOME Shell < 1304945286 367492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd run flawlessly in Wine, on the basis that ReactOS and Wine share libraries < 1304945293 372761 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was designed entirely around making nice short Vimeo screencasts < 1304945302 617837 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonstrating entirely fictional scenarios with PRETTY transitions < 1304945314 342507 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I've tried that before < 1304945316 456806 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-237.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304945323 293942 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR not working perfectly because Wine doesn't expect you to pull shit like that < 1304945326 348609 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. taking control of everything < 1304945332 645396 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously need a higher resolution, I'm rebooting < 1304945333 329594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense < 1304945334 963346 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-182-214.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304945343 25469 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1304945467 895585 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304945477 240043 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I changed my mouse acceleration settings before. ugh. < 1304945534 746971 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me never to clean install anything ever < 1304945545 638760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottugh: did you not at least keep dotfiles? < 1304945561 951147 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but then I didn't really have many, since the previous install was fairly new anyway < 1304945567 965 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Remember that this started as a botched upgrade < 1304945575 570313 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it turned into a "well, I'll get a livecd of the newest version to fix the bootloader" < 1304945584 532216 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it became "fuck it, might as well back up my code folder and do a clean install" < 1304945592 512289 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it became "THIS IS TERRIBLE HOLY SHIT I'm reinstalling the old version". < 1304945597 69164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1304945618 851637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't back up your whole homedir, minus really large things like downloaded tarballs and unpacked gcc source trees? < 1304945641 731451 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything I produce is either somewhere on the internet or in my code folder, pretty much < 1304945650 884885 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the full backup would have been gigabytes upon gigabytes upon gigabytes < 1304945660 657818 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since my backup mechanism was to email the code tgz to myself... < 1304945681 913273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think this is another argument not to go around pirating things, they just take up space on your hard drive < 1304945701 350081 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... realise that happens with legitimate media too? < 1304945716 732393 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you also realise that the purpose of a hard drive is to get filled up with things? < 1304945718 180957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottugh: indeed, but there isn't much of it to go round < 1304945730 295667 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, things that you wish to consume/store? < 1304945730 559243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally I stream it rather than download it < 1304945740 882392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the purpose of a hard drive is to save things you want to keep around < 1304945752 813834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things to store, /not/ things to consume (those work just fine in /tmp or streaming) < 1304945753 844111 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stream pirated stuff too, it's just nobody does that because it'd inherently be a pain in the ass < 1304945763 697514 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, you are wrong < 1304945779 878056 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have confused "what I think hard drives are for, in a stunning feat of circular argument" with "what hard drives are for" < 1304945785 65997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save them in a swapfile for a while < 1304945791 679040 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat my previous statement < 1304945793 875502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is technically using the hard disk, but abstracted awauy < 1304945796 266891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*away < 1304945810 613636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottugh: well, in that case, why don't you delete temporary files when you've finished using them? < 1304945822 899411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make backups easier for no detriment at all < 1304945835 72768 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define temporary files. < 1304945861 402999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :files that you won't need again after you've shut down your computer < 1304945872 488218 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said I did not delete those? < 1304945879 548567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implied it < 1304945900 742789 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1304945905 496676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"things that you wish to consume/store" < 1304945920 713165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying that there were things you didn't want to store that you used the hard drive for anyway < 1304945926 841087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you wouldn't need both halves of the sentence < 1304945930 677898 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have clearly misinterpreted the slash. < 1304945941 513679 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store or (consume and store). < 1304945958 829050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd word that as "things that you wish to store (perhaps to consume later)" < 1304946132 963738 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1304946168 162639 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304946463 392148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304946472 893569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1304946499 933826 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304946524 899189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-237.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304946545 545465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1304946552 972254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304946553 49270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1304946562 244246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304946588 558311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like a hospital without the various tweaks I did to my previous installation < 1304946731 452381 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304946830 12930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I am going to switch to Xfce, I should capitalise on the opportunity while I'm still without OS-related baggage < 1304946974 748150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you do realise that the DCC SEND stuff in the topic is wrong, right? < 1304947006 971178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, I wonder why I just assumed the topic was made by you without checking) < 1304947014 286738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1304947016 488588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it indeed was < 1304947065 723164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is it wrong? < 1304947107 294317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be four zeros, separated by spaces, at the end < 1304947118 837116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1304947135 928751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exploits two bugs; one is a bug in an AV product (triggered by "startkeylogger"), the other is a bug in attempts to DCC to 0 0 0 0 with a sufficiently long string given as the name < 1304947140 135696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, or was it three zeros? < 1304947142 615164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrong < 1304947150 941580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly, it's just any sufficiently long name /or/ zeroes < 1304947151 309223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly < 1304947151 987469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1304947156 961506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look there was an article about it in the logs before < 1304947160 162149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's in the topic would work just fine < 1304947164 574544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what was explained to me last time it came up (but it wasn't in this channel) < 1304947176 659516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a reference to egobot/hackego being forced to take down because of it < 1304947220 144130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot was taken down because someone was dcc sending keyloggers? < 1304947246 225100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1304947510 856719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if Firefox can be set to accept and reject cookies at random? < 1304947514 895575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see which websites break, and how badly < 1304947667 926535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Debian will install OK on this < 1304947737 452750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although xfwm has that annoying bug still < 1304949601 893685 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304949605 402980 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lauren.vortex.com/censorship-governments-google-white-paper-05-04-2011.html < 1304949613 1560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: stop cloning yourself < 1304949622 842237 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: connection trouble again < 1304949630 777294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many aises < 1304949632 644220 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the desktop booted already in case this happened < 1304949632 932170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aisen < 1304949675 206017 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a little ironic that I am provided with a quad-core desktop so that I can do my job, but instead do it on a single-core netbook and use the desktop just for printing and IRC) < 1304949690 938887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304949749 884535 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304949912 724887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304950374 971925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304950392 797492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304950682 999121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304950826 776851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304951103 32594 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-68.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304951225 763550 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1304951542 501391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, xubuntu or debian... < 1304951610 248172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shell does debian use? < 1304951684 127960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you say dash, I will get annoyed) < 1304952008 764202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would that annoy you? < 1304952015 964675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean DE? < 1304952064 863327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean desktop environment shell, by analogy with Gnome Shell or Windows Explorer < 1304952242 725592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: time to put on my Pedantic Weirdo hat < 1304952254 423745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The official Desktop Environment of the Debian Operating System is GNOME. < 1304952267 404343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can literally untick it at install-time < 1304952277 815653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the boot loader has options to install with KDE/Xfce < 1304952282 106091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think LXDE too now < 1304952310 538789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should buy a Pedantic Weirdo hat for Gregor, it'd go with all his other hats < 1304952333 249582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not something you can buy its something youre born with < 1304952356 297576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it'd work just as well as a physical hat < 1304952360 960534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to work out what it would look like < 1304952885 695347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304953290 606639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304954374 651256 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304954374 764267 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304954374 764391 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304955290 241022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went and emailed graue < 1304955351 854637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP BEEP EMERGENCY < 1304955392 693108 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's graue, ais523? < 1304955496 33630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person in charge of the esolang wiki < 1304955503 942895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, with actual access to the server and the software < 1304955515 745906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Keymaker and I mostly run it in practice, we don't have the permissions to change really core stuff < 1304955568 445812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&curid=982&diff=22726&oldid=22705 < 1304955569 710555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one < 1304955577 839332 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304955653 103767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to see what graue does in response to this attack < 1304955661 251440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested he expanded the captcha to cover all anon edits < 1304955669 608447 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304955672 719474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he'll probably do something ridiculous instead, like ban spelling errors < 1304955712 830815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1304955716 490620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I suggested he expanded the captcha to cover all anon edits < 1304955732 908065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly opposed to this because I edit as an anon quite frequently, but as a temporary measure it's probably for the best < 1304955794 246382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's an easy enough CAPTCHA, you could even write a Greasemonkey script to solve it < 1304955823 540929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304955828 487866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then post it on the Internet. < 1304955834 638276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm creating a new programming language called ChrisMaple. Because programming can be hard for people to understand, it will only have 2 functions with no arguments: Stop and Go. I plan on writing a new OS in it :D < 1304955844 849242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wow < 1304955852 525707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that from, and are they serious? and if so, what is their home address? < 1304955860 641114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Slashdot, and my guess is they're joking < 1304955869 485275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :better cull them just in case < 1304956385 73642 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-8-166.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304956413 805379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it sounded like a decent idea for an esolang < 1304956483 448974 :MigoMipo__!~John@84-217-8-196.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304956572 694721 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-68.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304956710 55377 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-8-166.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304957031 57002 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304957064 375685 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304957068 541208 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1304957251 826685 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo < 1304957251 905719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im really only a bash person and even then Im tin < 1304957256 223580 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo < 1304957256 301259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear from an essay by E raymod that perl is shitty for large projects < 1304957263 175775 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo < 1304957263 289780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a decent scheduler in haskell? how about a netwrok monitor? < 1304957269 259220 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1304957367 151361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 < 1304957367 227553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 not available < 1304957374 728831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like lambdabot has to go down too < 1304957387 329366 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job < 1304957405 664185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's just trolling, by the look of things < 1304957431 380284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bots that are vulnerable to being made to print that DCC message have to be taken down until they're fixed; what's trolling about that? < 1304957439 976387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered that ?so let you put arbitrary shit at the start of a line, so... < 1304957443 41291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling is actually making them do it < 1304957452 187633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, what? < 1304957453 536329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a test. < 1304957473 83140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We already know that nobody here is affected by it at all because this isn't two thousand and six. < 1304957476 932351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently my post makes the spambot's look feelbe < 1304957505 917226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I don't get what these spambots are doing at all < 1304957531 401207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no advantage from it other than wasting people's time, and I don't see why someone would waste their own resources (and what looks like a large botnet or proxy network) doing something pointless like that < 1304958561 202846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an artist? < 1304958568 622236 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They are the experts in wasting time and resources.) < 1304958593 209086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why an artist would do it like that, though < 1304958615 620595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've got recent changes set up in full vandalfighting mode atm < 1304958644 885119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's willy on wheels < 1304958710 574846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was targeting Wikipedia in particular, though < 1304958717 643945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these Esolang spambots don't seem to be aware they're on a wiki at all < 1304958728 725245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is the only reason I thought the ridiculously weak CAPTCHA we have would work) < 1304959654 284406 :Guest22963!~justme@94.143.42.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304959706 617307 :Guest22963!~justme@94.143.42.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304960070 476850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a spambot :O < 1304960094 521920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1304960103 202464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any connection with the wiki, I wonder? < 1304960110 573696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did it get to do any spamming before being thrown off? < 1304960155 265657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the wiki spambot, note i have no evidence for it being a spambot < 1304960160 475463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like to think it was the wiki spambot < 1304960183 903774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304961106 183260 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki spambots make me feel good about myself < 1304961117 593315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that you aren't as bad as them? < 1304961126 778535 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, yes < 1304961568 274078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1304961572 350683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to transfer this huge file to my other disk < 1304961575 775081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304961582 118657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i could reformat my swap partition as fatthirtytwo < 1304961589 627620 :Aune!82ecfe77@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.236.254.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304961593 40013 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good idea < 1304961597 276879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304961636 922670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you aren't using it for anything else at the time, yes < 1304961642 558886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that you reformat the right partition < 1304961697 894492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304962071 492317 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-53.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304962077 53478 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-23.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304962635 852682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304963586 35075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304964327 19060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304964463 254168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1304964505 978610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there? < 1304964521 575676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need your computer finding expertise! < 1304964532 668605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I decided I need to get a new desktop) < 1304964543 682723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304964552 237592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what you want to do is buy the most expensive everything < 1304964556 483713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put it in an expensive box < 1304964566 105877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Yes. But that is not what I can afford :P < 1304964569 438496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1304964576 663208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was unaware you had such terrible constraints :/ < 1304964590 566943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sadly I do < 1304964613 57966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also it has to be possible to order in Sweden. IIRC newegg only takes orders from US? < 1304964635 388268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but newegg is convenient to find things on :P < 1304964640 465879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1304964649 666265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually buying them is left as an exercise to the reader < 1304964698 563033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :/ < 1304964699 549046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1304964712 356212 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304964729 549676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp :P < 1304964734 962240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, I need a decent performance setup, doesn't need to be the most extreme however. And an okay case for it. I want a fairly quiet system, so variable speed fans all over if possible. And it needs at least one classical PCI slot. Other than my SB live card and my two sata hdds I'm going for all new hardware. < 1304964779 595986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name a budget in a currency that isn't some backwater European economy :P < 1304964781 873528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the threads in the screwholes on my current case are worn out, so definitely a new case < 1304964785 362245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A backwater North American economy is preferred.) < 1304964786 895896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let me convert it < 1304964823 780282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says 7000 Swedish kronor = 1 111.677 U.S. dollars, though that is slightly adjustable. < 1304964836 160067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know if nvidia or amd/ati is best atm < 1304964841 817837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice number. Lots of ones. < 1304964846 752661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304964850 194811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, whichever works best under linux < 1304964852 779710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Intel is the bestest as far as Linux support goes :P < 1304964857 468361 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :round that to USD1111.111 < 1304964860 105226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But useless in the, e.g. actually doing things department. < 1304964862 673813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need good 3D graphics < 1304964872 661058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's subjective :P < 1304964874 316931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do want GPGPU stuff < 1304964877 652644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. < 1304964878 5597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1304964910 992202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nvidia still has better linux support < 1304964913 783715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I presume you want AMD < 1304964915 967787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't need crysis however. But minecraft on far would be nice. < 1304964924 967945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for CPU? < 1304964928 451677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304964930 400554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On FAR?????? WHOA BUDDY < 1304964935 69180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GETTIN' A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES HERE < 1304964935 410835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304964937 385879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIGHT HAVE TO UP THAT BUDGET < 1304964941 230599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1304964948 12974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old system almost managed that so :P < 1304964981 857451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, amd/intel: don't care much. I would prefer if it didn't run way too hot (less cooling needed: nicer, also better for electricity bill) < 1304964992 758476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that indicates intel, but then amd is cheaper < 1304965028 436689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you want sixteen gibioctets of RAM or twenty-four? < 1304965054 64549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, 8 would probably be enough, but sure 16 if that is affordable < 1304965064 375643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for zillions of gigaquads! < 1304965066 449548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway for upping the budget, jokes aside, that would be possible, a bit. < 1304965088 622912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIXTEEN BILLION GIGATERAS OF RAMS < 1304965093 620399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think 24 is likely overkill. But who knows, if that meets all other requirements why not < 1304965110 513961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice step up from my current 1.5 anyway < 1304965115 56503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to see if SSD prices have gone down :-P < 1304965126 253440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have SATA disks I will reuse < 1304965132 168024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BORING. < 1304965135 938729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you probably have mastered the art of using more than eighty gigabytes on your OS anyawy. < 1304965136 897490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1304965139 501447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that plus my SB Live card is all the hardware I want to carry over < 1304965155 972358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really count SSDs as storage in that sense, anyway, more internal CPU OS storage X-D < 1304965159 316121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for SSD you mean? Let me check /usr size < 1304965177 872546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no I can't < 1304965180 826188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong system < 1304965190 325575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, forty gig SSD for ninety five bucks. < 1304965195 732161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on my laptop, I forgot since I plugged in my desktop monitor < 1304965199 522652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sure are going down .... slowly .......... < 1304965217 54162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll pass on SSD then, though it would certainly be nice < 1304965234 265751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How many cores do you need for your apple < 1304965238 415352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean your PC < 1304965251 419743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and the sata chipset should support that native command queue thingy (but I guess all modern systems do). My disks support it, but not my current sata chipset < 1304965262 517633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh... more than one < 1304965266 219493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2? 4? < 1304965275 236597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six, eight, insert cheerleadering < 1304965282 798400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1304965289 520289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not one of those 12-core ones from amd? < 1304965291 798663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what AMD's six-cores are < 1304965296 381360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three-cores are four-cores with one broken core < 1304965299 973647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not like you get seven-cores < 1304965301 181350 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304965306 111812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it comes to a RAM vs. number of cores vs. budget or such I'd prefer a balanced system within the budget :P < 1304965306 987227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are they... two slightly-broken four cores stuck together? < 1304965318 97176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GOD you are so BORING. < 1304965320 913139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite possibly, IIRC eight-cores are normally just made from two four-core chips < 1304965331 736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but this is a system I actually plan to BUY < 1304965341 972173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Surprised they don't have seven-core chips then, i.e. four core + three core. < 1304965343 613040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, at least it isn't elliott trying to spec a system for me < 1304965347 226776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe they are actually 6-cores from scratch < 1304965353 944300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the oct-cores probably sell better < 1304965354 186883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure I need a kilobyte of RAM. < 1304965358 359959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh < 1304965361 88661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wrt. 12-core: maybe a slightly broken 16 core? < 1304965365 313491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What?? It costs TWENTY POUNDS?? < 1304965385 925547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd currently aim for about 1GB of RAM on a new computer < 1304965390 20401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow :P < 1304965395 782912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, at least it isn't elliott trying to spec a system for me <-- has he tried that before? < 1304965402 136431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because the extra cost of that compared to smaller amounts is trivial < 1304965405 393208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and IIRC the 12-core ones are 6 times something that's halfway between dual-core and one-core with SMT) < 1304965406 709089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm not that insane. < 1304965410 684860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, but we can both guess how it would go < 1304965422 927762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think I can imagine that yes... < 1304965436 244653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like: completely incompatible goals for the system :P < 1304965454 413285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deary me i7s, you haven't been keeping very competitive pricewise < 1304965457 116877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The problem with operator overloading is that the time between the implementation of op overloading as a language feature and misuse of it is roughly 68ms < 1304965465 183266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've abused it in INTERCAL yet < 1304965470 106967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd currently aim for about 1GB of RAM on a new computer <-- also that would be annoyingly limited < 1304965473 426764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compared to the rest of the language < 1304965479 978615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1304965500 112406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches Vorpal bang his head into the brick wall that is ais523. < 1304965502 799370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I swap trash sometimes on my laptop with 4 GB. < 1304965505 766933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems envisaging anything that would require much more than that, other than storing an entire rather long video in memory < 1304965546 899755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thank you very much for your commentary. That activity is however rather entertaining :P < 1304965555 624024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a rubber brick wall. < 1304965573 268625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *huh* < 1304965578 412333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seriously, what do you use that much memory for? badly written programs? do you work with data sets that largr? < 1304965580 415013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*large? < 1304965617 223956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athlon IIs are so goddamn cheap, probably because they're not very good < 1304965630 213887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or is the difference just that they lack Lthree... < 1304965638 481476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, minecraft runs badly on my desktop with 1.5 GB RAM. Panorama stitching runs badly on my laptop with 4 GB RAM for larger (50 MP or such) panoramas < 1304965647 485787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see plausible arguments for faster CPUs/more cores (although there's a more or less practical maximum level for CPUs) < 1304965647 657632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That’s the theory, at least. AMD’s recent launch of the Athlon II X4, which is fundamentally a Phenom II X4 without the L3, implies that the tertiary cache may not always be necessary. We decided to do an apples to apples comparison using both options and find out." < 1304965654 769001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to read a badly-researched article < 1304965660 199637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what, Athlon II? Isn't that uh... 10 years ago= < 1304965662 2407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and you'd expect Minecraft to run well with, say, 3 GB RAM? < 1304965665 716167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No? < 1304965666 165974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1304965674 557387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes probably < 1304965675 489823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's based around a gigantic array of blocks < 1304965678 735993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1304965681 194010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine spending about 1GB on a source tree, Inf GB on instances of gcc compiling various parts of it, 1-2GB on a browser with every tab I've ever opened still open < 1304965681 270649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something's struggling with that much memory, it's likely using a bad algorithm, and throwing more hardware at the problem won't help much < 1304965691 21168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, Athlon was old. Can we agree on that? < 1304965691 470114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Minecraft = big array of blocks. < 1304965693 522547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM helps obviously. < 1304965697 799484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if using an IDE, at least 2GB more for that < 1304965699 20787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes; companies reuse brand names. < 1304965703 178059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then came Athlon XP? < 1304965708 645574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Athlon II? < 1304965710 343493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes, but what's the exact amount of RAM it needs to hold the whole array? < 1304965714 203280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically always need more memory < 1304965717 938909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, The order, it confuses me. < 1304965718 787015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Dynamic? < 1304965722 374529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly < 1304965727 371842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But large. < 1304965730 876025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're going to run out no matter how much memory you have < 1304965735 384441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : and if using an IDE, at least 2GB more for that <-- emacs run fine without that. < 1304965735 460757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore adding more memory is pointless < 1304965745 166686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Point is, $99.99 gets you a quad-core three ghz processor gobbling ninety-five watts. < 1304965750 715602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not bad. < 1304965764 755107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is more than the PSU for my laptop! < 1304965768 621894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no, it's bounded < 1304965783 210647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually static, eventually < 1304965787 563783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then emacs isn't an IDE < 1304965796 159391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't be serious that a CPU uses more than, say, 60-70 W? < 1304965799 228594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, why doesn't someone just replace Minecraft's data storage with something saner than massive array? < 1304965815 448988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, such as? < 1304965815 749159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit should be relatively easily abstractable, so long as it uses accessor methods correctly < 1304965823 192348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some sort of compressed structure < 1304965836 206585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine Minecraft maps compress easily, if only because most of them will never be touched by a user < 1304965855 287209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: many cpu models do < 1304965855 833698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do decompression and recompression sixty times per second < 1304965856 844500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes storing a diff on disk might be a good idea at least < 1304965857 130623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1304965859 601637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, *wtf* < 1304965874 69248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can use seekable compression algos < 1304965874 532322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you can't be serious that a CPU uses more than, say, 60-70 W? < 1304965876 139013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...seriously? < 1304965885 355369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-end CPUs use like one hundred and twenty five watts. < 1304965888 43068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, my laptop PSU is on 65 W < 1304965891 412780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1304965893 490741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports laptop hardware. < 1304965894 736843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and need stupid amounts of cooling as a result < 1304965902 253966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that is a nice core 2 dupo < 1304965903 595931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duo* < 1304965915 157968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a laptop core two duo. < 1304965915 234833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a practical limit to CPU power because of that < 1304965922 732376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1304965926 362118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a low-end processor is not that much weaker than a high-end processor nowadays < 1304965931 532690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's hard to find PSUs under four hundred watts :P < 1304965936 664336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please, you're not being helpful. < 1304965937 556254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i7 only goes up to 130W < 1304965938 157161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since I said I wanted a rather quiet system, something that doesn't run too hot might be a good idea < 1304965952 471069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Ninety five watts is downright cold for a desktop CPU as far as silencing goes. < 1304965957 412520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fan on here is needed so rarely I sometimes have to start it by hand < 1304965958 533464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see < 1304965978 753757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why do you need to start it if it isn't needed?... < 1304965991 727778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when it is needed, sometimes it doesn't start automatically < 1304965994 637751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the bearings rusted or something insane < 1304966000 578096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to bang on the computer case to get it to start < 1304966002 315904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so bug in the firmware? < 1304966006 56766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in the hardware < 1304966017 189100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1304966024 985189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn the correct place to hit the computer after a bit (it's just to the left of the power button) < 1304966031 3771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would NOT leave that computer running without supervision < 1304966044 905665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I wouldn't run it at all < 1304966056 462476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wouldn't either, in case someone stole it < 1304966060 829248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in a locked office or bedroom < 1304966064 537115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just shuts down if it overheats < 1304966064 949331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is an electrical engineer, he can handle a fire < 1304966080 627668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *electronic! < 1304966085 551238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ;D ;D ;D < 1304966086 860143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::TROLLFACE: < 1304966088 584927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has become something of a running joke at my workplace) < 1304966095 534449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sometimes talking with ais523 isn't like running into a brick wall (rubber or not) but more like getting a rubber brick wall dropped on top of you < 1304966097 304371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :electrical engineer :D < 1304966115 336309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love rubber bricks < 1304966116 723814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: both electrical and electronic exist, but do different things < 1304966119 633605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it has? < 1304966141 267896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's why it's funny of course < 1304966141 344487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how does the system come along? < 1304966160 221194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, without a deterministically working fan, it overheats quite a lot < 1304966166 561692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly while watching video when I forget to start the fan < 1304966167 791661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i work slowly and meticulously < 1304966169 952391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and meditate a lo < 1304966170 119411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1304966171 179355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and you said Athlon II were cheap? Hm, do you think they will last much longer than the warranty then? < 1304966176 850805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(running Windows, the fan runs at 100%) < 1304966180 495501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1304966200 978205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's an Athlon II in this house -- only a dual core one though, and quite a low end one at that -- that's been chugging away for several years now. < 1304966204 498390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on Linux, though, it only seems to run when decoding video, or doing an intentionally 100% CPU task like a brute-force search) < 1304966216 723660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so athlon II are old? < 1304966243 157546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X_X < 1304966245 631361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the cache size? I don't want something like my sempron's tiny cache < 1304966251 37892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The name Athlon II is a few years old. < 1304966254 104518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304966257 402366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athlon II x[four]s are two thousand and nine vintage. < 1304966258 818350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why does Reddit value link karma more than comment karma? < 1304966260 147853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, OOOOOOOOOOOLD < 1304966262 892022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly only read it for the comments < 1304966263 29857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, AMD IS OUT TO CONFUSE ME WITH THEIR NAMING!!! < 1304966278 654538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, L[two] is four x 512KB. < 1304966286 668983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304966288 235016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. two megs. < 1304966289 516915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rather tiny < 1304966290 410692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304966292 837661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really :P < 1304966302 635626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the Core Twos have ridiculously large Ltwos. < 1304966305 951538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304966310 374245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what is L3 then? < 1304966317 748291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Ltwo but slower :P < 1304966321 108441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz < 1304966322 252987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache size : 3072 KB < 1304966322 382024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shared, rather than per-core. < 1304966325 997738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *duh* < 1304966329 783743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant what size < 1304966344 784319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, Athlon IIs have none, that's the only difference between them and Phenom IIs (AMD's top end range). < 1304966358 357230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and are Phenom II expensive? < 1304966373 678803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than Athlon IIs :P < 1304966378 446544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have six-core versions though. < 1304966382 724128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304966393 633461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how much more, and I think 6 cores will be enough. < 1304966404 508483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and same socket? < 1304966411 736009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1304966426 57906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, huh, the cheapest Phenom II x[four] is only nine dollars more expensive and quite a bit better... no L[three] though < 1304966426 789432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304966430 568461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and another thing: gbit ethernet. < 1304966435 362070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that is standard < 1304966452 59762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh < 1304966488 81105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is standard :P < 1304966497 582102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking a short break to meditate[caret]W sekrit stuff. < 1304966506 155364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what usb variant do we have < 1304966519 755195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a motherboard thing :P < 1304966524 774896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I plan to order this system day after tomorrow, probably before that < 1304966547 873042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm in a rather urgent need to replace my current desktop you see. < 1304966563 601539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a deadline. This is like coming up to a Zen master and complaining that your meditation is taking longer than a few minutes :P < 1304966577 198112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the Zen master is just some chump with Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. < 1304966585 514573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the meditation is just sitting around staring at walls. < 1304966587 415858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds like a wonderful idea. I'd like to see his reaction. < 1304966595 493153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be done. < 1304966610 346955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. Lets do that once you have the specs done < 1304966624 330694 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1304966636 407767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on and the GPU needs DVI-Digital out < 1304966645 118096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is what my monitor takes < 1304966658 654076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit busy right now though :P < 1304966671 486062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1304966807 660139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I forgot: PS/2 for keyboard, or I need to find a new nice white keyboard < 1304966810 475802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :full size < 1304966814 313413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with flat windows keys < 1304966819 808013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sounds tricky < 1304966839 276391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/two<->USB adapters exist, you know, but it's not like PStwo is dead :P < 1304966842 644175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is, but it still exists. < 1304966852 861304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1304966853 562274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask a question about Mercury here, but don't want to be yelled at < 1304966858 42753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am asking in #mercury < 1304966862 502855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather quiet. < 1304966877 68322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel for each element in the periodic table I wonder < 1304966895 523838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what you meant I guess < 1304966932 587774 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guessed correctly < 1304966973 935491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any wattage listed on my old desktop PSU < 1304966978 696235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 300 W < 1304967167 444868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I'd like to order it this evening if possible < 1304967174 839540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can go ahead on my own < 1304967203 634226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an INFERIOR COMPUTER BE MY GUEST < 1304967220 463759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't want that. But I really need this system as soon as possible < 1304967289 835275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just got numerous irons in the fire at this particular point :P < 1304967298 505171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1304967531 397490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Vorpal is building INFERIOR COMPUTER < 1304967542 107956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, actually I'm waiting for elliott < 1304967625 537938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, AMD still uses ZIF sockets? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MSI_785GM-P45_Socket_AM3.jpg < 1304968372 16420 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304968394 875866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wb < 1304968591 7052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304968722 402391 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's better than ZIF sockets? < 1304968727 120935 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIF sockets?L < 1304968742 503793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIF? < 1304968764 27346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative insertion force, obviously < 1304968772 755432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304968783 953520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually even makes physical sense, it'd be a socket where you put the chip vaguely near the socket and it was automatically drawn into it < 1304968793 655006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304968815 944928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, I'd expect BGA sockets. I guess technically they are ZIF, though they aren't called that very often. < 1304968832 608626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, magnetic perhaps? < 1304968845 363749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, that's what I was thinking of < 1304968853 332735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although magnetism + electricity often doesn't mix wel < 1304968853 918109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well < 1304968855 189934 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnetism on my circuitry? would that be wise? :P < 1304968881 880722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, presumably with some sort of guiding vanes? < 1304968894 510628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know, I'm not designing one of these things < 1304969267 928484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1304969604 948437 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304969611 36991 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-23.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304969706 964393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I don't need new DVD drive either, if the new mobo supports PATA < 1304969715 523784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but I'm okay with getting a new one if that is cheaper < 1304969730 598487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as a SATA only system) < 1304969749 151921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a* < 1304970420 430273 :MigoMipo__!~John@84-217-8-196.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304970441 441464 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-196.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304970977 590268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I will be away most of tomorrow, and as for day after that, away a lot too < 1304970984 724649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304970999 45501 :Aune!82ecfe77@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.236.254.119 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1304971065 220220 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a dvd drive costs like $2 < 1304971109 370670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, US$ 2 = 12.5447691 Swedish kronor <-- no I doubt it. More like 50 SEK for a dvd drive. < 1304971118 156052 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a BGA is not ZIF, because you're not inserting anything. < 1304971132 502918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, and a LGA? < 1304971138 534271 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to have something going into something else to "insert with zero force" < 1304971173 915501 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304971177 335133 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc no < 1304971183 430674 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me look up what LGA was again < 1304971191 636387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :land grid array < 1304971198 631542 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1304971206 741663 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not "ZIF" either. there's no insertion < 1304971215 926326 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's mechanical mating of flat surfaces. < 1304971248 822439 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya i know but i forgot the exact mating technique < 1304971318 156065 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZIF specifically refers only to sockets with a lever, which shifts a grid of halves of holes that pins go into, tightening those holes < 1304971398 928546 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that became available, the pins on a processor would have to go into a socket which doesn't change in width, requiring the use of physical force < 1304971407 647617 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would break CPUs which were very expensive < 1304971416 738326 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ZIFs became popular around the times of the 486 < 1304971425 784180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, there are ZIF for DIP too < 1304971433 651469 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1304971438 429136 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean for processors < 1304971445 751405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, so do I! < 1304971464 907190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, though not desktop cpus < 1304971476 928316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :microchip programmers and suc < 1304971478 518923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such* < 1304971481 909640 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1304971485 431516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a 2000 pin desktop CPU in a DIP capsule < 1304971491 97289 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Insertion_Force#Ball_grid_array_sockets < 1304971498 350323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wonderful < 1304971500 225210 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that there are mating mechanisms that DO catch the balls < 1304971502 170874 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're ZIF < 1304971509 19731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Picstart_plus.jpg < 1304971525 649251 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kind of BGA socket that is popular for desktop CPUs does not use that, it uses the spring pin mechanism, which is not "ZIF" < 1304971539 709063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304971574 94241 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no insertion < 1304971589 963250 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why will you not be here Vorpal? < 1304971615 790916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, because I will be at university from 08:00 to 17:00, and then I have other stuff to do after < 1304971616 781727 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gonna suxx0r < 1304971654 8621 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh ok < 1304971661 217302 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you starting uni? < 1304971664 19042 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. wait < 1304971668 991177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, .............. < 1304971670 113570 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which year are you on? T_T < 1304971676 491921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, second < 1304971676 568302 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1304971680 145776 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304971683 981485 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you studying? < 1304971687 629038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :compsci < 1304971688 146054 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something cool like maths? < 1304971693 246055 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. < 1304971694 601640 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304971700 433330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't compsci cool? < 1304971707 530736 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it treating you? < 1304971708 713493 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1304971714 100920 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it a good hobby < 1304971717 192758 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like.. < 1304971717 555643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : how is it treating you? <-- whaaat? < 1304971722 82155 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't the mind-wringer that maths is < 1304971733 361 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the course treating you? < 1304971734 446233 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in.. < 1304971735 984207 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it? < 1304971746 834314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect, something along the lines of "oh the FPGA is all right, not too hard on me at all :P"? < 1304971776 443082 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the course < 1304971779 961934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I haven't used FPGAs for a while) < 1304971782 737482 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a course can be hard on you < 1304971783 138470 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1304971793 674492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not too hard *shrug* < 1304971800 45048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :varies with module < 1304971805 372643 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1304971822 22393 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an old saying that if everything you do works, you're not trying hard enough < 1304971829 240716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very confusing terminology there, sv:kurs = en:module in this context < 1304971832 702591 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to catch all the bits of info that you get < 1304971837 716911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and en:course I think is sv:program? < 1304971868 883649 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're studying at a good uni, try getting as much done as possible < 1304971879 152683 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be important for networking in the future < 1304971907 694566 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the coolest course in compsci for you? < 1304971908 672452 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1304971910 246223 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers? < 1304971949 11128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Vorpal studies Enterprise Java/C++ or something like that :P < 1304971950 768815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, night, please leave messages with memoserv. At least something like: "I said something relevant to your computer, see clog logs" or such. :) < 1304971956 812532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, thank god no < 1304971968 61776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, compilers is during the autumn < 1304971972 211273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no clue yet < 1304971979 423828 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304972002 185876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you haven't done compilers yet? < 1304972007 73339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, nope. < 1304972023 258026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1304972030 161526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1304972047 78074 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler course is probably my favourite < 1304972074 886857 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1304973377 286240 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1304973397 107542 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1304974303 750505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1304974303 842401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1304974454 700390 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Redirect all "Where is HackEgo" questions in the form of lynchings of Lymia. < 1304974483 680015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lynches Lymia in the classic Texan style. < 1304975022 32786 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1304975240 911009 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1304975248 895628 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still challenge someone to compile this language < 1304975252 525244 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible < 1304975291 834924 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's obviously not impossible, given a rigorous definition of compile :) < 1304975292 730613 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be JITted reasonably? < 1304975302 188399 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JITed yes < 1304975313 32641 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as the interpretation could change after each line is executed < 1304975322 696492 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really compile it < 1304975323 697060 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's just like befunge then isn't it? :p < 1304975465 651117 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1304975490 858864 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language was originally created by Chris Pressey in 1993 as an attempt to devise a language which is as hard to compile as possible — note that the p command allows for self-modifying code." < 1304975499 58194 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DevPerc can be self-modifying < 1304975689 699903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing self-modifying code doesn't really mean anything, it just makes some things a bit harder < 1304975708 96558 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304975715 837866 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes full compilation impossible < 1304975734 358532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, define "full" compilation < 1304975750 593064 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there is no interpreter attached to the resulting code < 1304975757 57515 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or re-compiler < 1304975764 124886 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :directly compiled to machine code < 1304975793 933413 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, *some* DevPerc programs can be fully compiled < 1304975805 563693 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the modifications are known at compile time < 1304975812 874047 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but others are dependant on input < 1304975876 701057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does interpreter mean here < 1304975926 341876 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter for the language? < 1304975933 644261 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :executes based on the source code? < 1304975998 228306 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if part of it was compiled directly to machine code and some of it needed assistance (perhaps to look something up) < 1304976021 674238 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no full interpreter, though < 1304976057 818364 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but no partial interpreter < 1304976078 685663 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible without some partial interpreter that knows the source code, with some programs < 1304976541 953407 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1304976564 290666 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. < 1304976565 157590 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be impossible to "compile" unless you do it how Befunge was "compiled" < 1304976570 381180 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with your implementation of numbers? < 1304976578 881385 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1304976593 796351 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304976600 225875 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way they are all out of order? < 1304976698 424883 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what is your complaint? < 1304976698 937777 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304976727 770573 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you generate that at runtime? < 1304976736 298816 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1304976739 654518 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can. < 1304976748 216806 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a script < 1304976755 649267 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran it in the python interactive thing < 1304976772 607911 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then used another script to remove stuff >255 < 1304976787 687570 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno why I didn't keep that script < 1304976796 279172 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I feared it would be too slow < 1304976804 981325 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was very inefficient) < 1304976822 642809 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh anyway < 1304976823 920662 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1304976828 995225 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1304977257 638930 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-196.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304977605 285165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hydrogen difluoride would imply an electrically neutral compound, HF2, which does not exist. It is isoelectronic with the hypothetical compound helium difluoride, HeF2, which also does not exist, and the fluoroheliate anion, FHeO−, whose existence is suspected." < 1304977608 263611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :— WP < 1304977623 801329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1304978043 912606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304978423 173991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304978493 53548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://langnostic.blogspot.com/ Python, Racket, ?, Erlang, Ruby?, ..that's an emacs icon, Haskell, ? < 1304978498 906148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I missing < 1304978555 897371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one is Common Lisp. < 1304978629 13358 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it is a reference to the Rhino JS engine, going by the sidebar. < 1304978661 194977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1304978664 175664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get why emacs is suddenly referenced in a blog about languages >.> < 1304978808 843160 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304978837 854812 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304978992 630402 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304979005 430320 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1304979173 250812 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304979215 87424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304979216 783498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304979236 187643 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304979268 157077 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304979340 377963 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1304979440 344225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ()s around the Emacs icon might be an attempt to refer to elisp. < 1304980246 449692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304980259 206476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1304980555 886485 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304980616 314766 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304980827 291753 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304981189 74475 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304981204 903175 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1304981964 353061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304984000 713120 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never consistently remember what "NB" expands to X_X < 1304984934 299565 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304985220 281170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304985356 220779 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-205-105.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304985541 408452 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-47.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304985992 476136 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1304986215 613758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304990426 858300 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304990570 189992 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304994699 710406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304995312 368396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I CAN LIGHTLY BRUSH ON THIS TOUCHPAD AND YOU THINK IT'S A CLICK. < 1304995337 573500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall that from way back with mine, before changing the settings ;) < 1304995368 354073 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, have to make it ignore accidental input or it's a real hair trigger < 1304995375 197494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although just the other day it got flaky and got stuck in some "always clicking" mode < 1304995410 904693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did not even help restarting the computer - needed a full power off < 1304995424 228553 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*move finger* -> Computer: DID YOU MEAN CLICK? I'M GONNA CLICK. CLICK, OKAY? CLICK. < 1304995493 92428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this vague idea of some quote/meme running around saying "TO SHREDS YOU SAY?" < 1304995499 727578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it on reddit yesterday < 1304995512 603867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1304995515 592681 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Professore Farnsworth on Futurama < 1304995519 410406 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Professor < 1304995530 356577 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the episode where Fry needs to find an apartment < 1304995533 960261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1304995553 231725 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google youtube to shreds you say < 1304995553 916752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3UEzPj4Sk < 1304995553 993062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: YouTube - Futurama - To shreds you say < 1304995661 567910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i totally misunderstood the reference then, thought it was something like your CLICK thing, but more ominous < 1304995681 426345 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. It's a touch more ominous < 1304995690 89846 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a "one-sided phone conversation" sort of ominous < 1304995690 886628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps involving some giant killer robot... < 1304995694 919236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1304995716 7178 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only hear the reaction to the horror, rather than the event itself :D < 1304995746 846583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get some headphones, so can actually listen to video in the middle of the night < 1304995751 932045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i can < 1304995833 37888 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, something funny from #haskell < 1304995837 207263 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where wtfmonad < 1304995837 284283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://memegenerator.net/instance/7710889 < 1304995926 510021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not historically accurate (curry was already dead when haskell was named) < 1304995942 724592 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we had that discussion :P < 1304995960 689261 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you let facts pollute humor, you'll never laugh again :D < 1304995990 271997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i recall from the history of haskell there is this other quite by his wife, something like, "you know he never really liked the middle name haskell" < 1304996007 111292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er /middle // < 1304996007 499483 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mentioned < 1304996019 965968 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In almost those exact words < 1304998676 505104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-167.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304998688 330971 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-205-105.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304998764 320704 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304999205 79764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Franz license forbids you to use the Free Express Edition < 1304999205 253849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to provide services or products to others for which you are < 1304999205 415767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compensated (by payment of money or otherwise, directly or indirectly) < 1304999205 492260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any manner." < 1304999222 349043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they don't consider being recognized as compensation? It's still a bit strict < 1304999294 920747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you have to be a lawyer to even guess at how "otherwise" would be interpreted by a court < 1304999431 103769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day some court is going to rule that laws and contracts have become so complicated that an ordinary person cannot be expected to understand or follow them, and then the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down < 1304999543 759461 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305000116 143607 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com < 1305000650 98318 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know the worst bit about the whole principle that ignorance is no defence? < 1305000684 377527 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came about in a time where claiming ignorance of the law was a complete, brazen lie. < 1305001177 985629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1305001880 867509 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to wonder now that it's mentioned. < 1305001903 630793 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often are people convicted for things that they didn't expect to be illegal at all, and would be justified in thinking so. < 1305001942 740514 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's all *that* often... < 1305001952 904080 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-167.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What usually bites people in the ass is ignorance of *civil* law. < 1305002112 588802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* is the wiki spam _still_ ongoing < 1305002234 995395 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? eugh < 1305002521 625494 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a botnet or somethin? < 1305002523 595287 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :something* < 1305002857 212980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone needs to tell graue that our wiki cannot continue without an active person with full access to it < 1305002968 461371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it seems like this time ais523 (who has only admin access) has problems finding any way to detect the new spam... < 1305003072 213441 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305003127 258254 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block it with a captcha < 1305003151 907483 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1305003332 153498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: we already _have_ a captcha, i believe < 1305003376 396311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i haven't seen it myself) < 1305003435 579647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees Weblocks and thinks "Seaside" < 1305003542 225230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305003672 422113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to invent a notation for Test cricket. It involves various styles of type (bold, italic, calligraphic, etc), superscripts, subscripts, numbers, various symbols, accent marks; and you still need to have extra comments too sometimes. < 1305003824 193152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could be modified to also work with One Day or Twenty20 as well if you want it to) < 1305005197 417382 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305005224 514404 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305005224 590858 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1305005224 590999 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1305005464 405814 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305006992 517299 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d0d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305008317 593372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305008847 838652 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1305008860 434626 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/BitBitJump < This would do conditionals with self-modifying code, and self-modifying code only, right? < 1305008912 633291 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think it cannot do conditional jumps in any other way < 1305008999 156546 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305009597 750024 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d0d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305010218 311450 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305011509 974804 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1305011622 332133 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305013333 104502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305013410 52153 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305014658 781569 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305015146 585702 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF9A5.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305015206 551540 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEB75.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305015864 437912 :AndrewNP!47f09676@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.240.150.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305016033 986531 :AndrewNP!47f09676@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.240.150.118 PART :#esoteric < 1305016628 458576 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-62.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305018131 108076 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-62.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305019602 890154 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epYmWk9Q3g4&feature=related < 1305019603 221291 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epYmWk9Q3g4&feature=related < 1305019603 660229 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epYmWk9Q3g4&feature=related < 1305019809 240691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1305021402 365710 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f787.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305022902 888615 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305023070 955087 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305023516 647043 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool, i didn't know that vim had a special way for entering japanese < 1305023519 901803 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's niiiice < 1305031799 716360 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305031950 381542 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305033643 484793 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1305035535 75099 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305038402 365692 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :http://www.devicemag.com/2011/05/10/microsoft-closing-in-on-skype-for-buyout-8-billion-deal-lined-up/ FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1305039400 88826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305039404 703319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1305039404 780613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1305040445 57746 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-129.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305040544 880144 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305040558 514 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-241-167.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305040658 541682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_tantalum < 1305040660 877493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1305040715 918937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tantalum has an isotope which is metastable despite the ground state having a half-life of 8 hours. < 1305040864 448968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rfreitas.com/Nano/TangibleNanomoney.htm < 1305040899 943501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the innate silliness of trying to work out what currency will be used post-scarcity, this does seem to be interesting. < 1305041277 924746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305041378 112423 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1305041527 885888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305041531 692276 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305041537 59768 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it were me to find the program against Google, which itself opened and closed the sites, in that time when me near computer. She worked as DDOS attack, has put(deliver)ed, but itself will go to walk. Remarkable Google on I created wipe after such, but sites miscellaneouses opened on all-round themes with enumeration of the main trends of the themes advisable and regulation amount visit given to directivities. < 1305041537 189519 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have simply program, that all like Google collectors immediately loose in that material, which I interest, not will possible create on me psychological portrait on my taste, habit, interest... < 1305041537 192108 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Google aside from installation cookie beside me on computer else has its extensive statistical database about which is hard cushioned. Our criticality on computer in contrast with their given about us - a triviality so shave off possible only boat, directed on opening and closing site while master building or than that occupied. Spreading the program given about folk and all-out collection to information - better than attack DDoS attack < 1305041537 192284 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google, it is necessary his(its) purposes. In addition there is one more psychological advantage to the whole - advertisment control on its taste - a triviality, but pleasantly. Not whole advertisment I do not like, but here is determined sort can, and was useful at whiles. One more plus in that that managers of the local-area networks too got mixed up in my interest. Here just appropriately add such characteristic in program that she on < 1305041537 269373 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : open page not strictly fixed amount of time, but different - that was an illusion of the functioning(working) the alive person. That is to say, who stakes out my opening the pages, could easy believe that works the alive person. Length of stay to fasten from amount of the letters on page. Here is such order on given program - some she was much needs and had its demand, particularly for one, particularly values invulnerability. < 1305041542 505222 :Hirams!~Hiram@93.186.101.237 PART #esoteric :" " < 1305041573 929748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305041956 74591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what- < 1305042031 920771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1305042228 257940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:50:31: some day some court is going to rule that laws and contracts have become so complicated that an ordinary person cannot be expected to understand or follow them, and then the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down < 1305042231 7729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't it already < 1305042252 295943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1305042317 34650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how goes selecting components < 1305042377 259910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was busy for about an hour after you left, after which point I was too tired to do anything, and then an hour later I became busy sleeping. < 1305042385 298003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soo'm not that much. < 1305042477 71714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305042544 642431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah okay... < 1305042572 212048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just go ahead and buy something if you really need it that quickly /shrug < 1305042589 190861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck I HATE VGA. I have to keep pressing auto-adjust every few minutes... < 1305042610 143071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perhaps tomorrow then, I won't have time to order today anyway < 1305042795 763233 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305043657 550548 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305044596 129143 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-129.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305045675 530660 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305046329 861267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TIL all the pens used and issued to the White House and all the United States government in the past 74 years were made by blind people." < 1305046351 961241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My immediate thought: I can't believe they get away with exploiting blind people like that. < 1305046493 378134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/w7qYp.jpg < 1305046494 463222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHARPIE WINS < 1305046537 261441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skilcraft < 1305046538 155233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1305046545 344647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they refuse to employ sighted people? < 1305046634 587495 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just require all employees to share the company vision < 1305046672 266485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a bad man, oerjan. < 1305046715 760935 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude < 1305047305 903459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305047986 101588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3/238 < 1305047986 772474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.2605042016806723e-2 < 1305047991 275430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/181 < 1305047991 977183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.5248618784530384e-3 < 1305048051 636371 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a, a) -> Rational < 1305048051 824293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude fst :: (a, b) -> a < 1305048051 901032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Tuple fst :: (a, b) -> a < 1305048051 901196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude snd :: (a, b) -> b < 1305048073 10650 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle RealFrac a => (a, a) -> Rational < 1305048073 134422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude fst :: (a, b) -> a < 1305048073 211015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Tuple fst :: (a, b) -> a < 1305048073 211202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude snd :: (a, b) -> b < 1305048079 768776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a -> a -> isn't it ... < 1305048082 500123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1305048083 816633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing < 1305048090 736120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What thing. < 1305048093 888164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle RealFrac a => a -> a -> Rational < 1305048094 143846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ratio approxRational :: RealFrac a => a -> a -> Rational < 1305048094 220173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ratio (%) :: Integral a => a -> a -> Ratio a < 1305048094 220323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude asTypeOf :: a -> a -> a < 1305048100 15965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing < 1305048116 406334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational (pi-1/100, pi+1/100) < 1305048117 84003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show < 1305048117 160736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((a, a... < 1305048127 676401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1305048132 395756 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational (pi-1/100) (pi+1/100) < 1305048133 202773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 % 1 < 1305048141 644999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1305048152 80186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it's not a range < 1305048152 977220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305048160 232541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1305048161 779414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational pi (1/100) < 1305048161 912317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its precision i think < 1305048162 431361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22 % 7 < 1305048174 765930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational pi (1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) < 1305048175 362191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 884279719003555 % 281474976710656 < 1305048184 118802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational pi 0 < 1305048184 783497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 884279719003555 % 281474976710656 < 1305048189 126205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1305048200 607281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't think pi::Double gives that much precision :) < 1305048213 311406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect 0 to be disallowed :) < 1305048229 357843 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305048241 494072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational (pi::CReal) 0 < 1305048242 156869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: CReal.toRational < 1305048247 505397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lurlz < 1305048262 197420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> approxRational (pi::CReal) (1/100) < 1305048262 851037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: CReal.toRational < 1305048274 370354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1305048278 38612 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1305048379 867937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say lacking approxRational is a serious hole in a CReal implementation < 1305048463 900946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh what haskell package is that from? < 1305048484 498683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ratio < 1305048486 723237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305048494 563700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful stuff < 1305048498 385610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'd say lacking approxRational is a serious hole in a CReal implementation < 1305048502 84951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has its own version < 1305048502 443882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305048507 116578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :approxRational seems to depend on toRational < 1305048526 197101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it seems that more than half of knowing haskell is knowing it's standard library < 1305048532 370521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I lack a lot in < 1305048574 954263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1305048588 676016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base is basically < 1305048594 52923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- IO, IO, lots of IO < 1305048598 478083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- basic data structures < 1305048601 91526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- LOTS OF THEORY < 1305048610 264269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean typeclasses :-P < 1305048637 267444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/index.html < 1305048649 952051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note right-hand column < 1305048659 123285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm bytestring coming with ghc seems recent < 1305048664 323961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305048664 839034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305048666 64703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/index.html < 1305048668 173730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the stdlib < 1305048672 517239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305048674 40219 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible to refresh a script tag link javascript file without refreshing the page? < 1305048674 429029 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : "script tag link javascript file"? < 1305048674 506010 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : noun noun noun noun noun < 1305048674 506158 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : thats how i talk < 1305048675 292847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305048684 638347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the GHC namespace you probably Don't Need < 1305048693 86597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, internals I presume < 1305048702 455901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and some operations not provided portably < 1305048708 178172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unsafe things :) < 1305048720 299503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but even with the docs, there is the question of actually learning what useful stuff is provided in each thing < 1305048737 343241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the Data hierarchy is very obvious if you ask me < 1305048743 960537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious what Data.List is about < 1305048749 998865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, all have their uses certainly, though I haven no clue why I would want unsafe things unless I'm implementing the IO monad myself or something like that < 1305048753 725775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign is obviously FFI stuff < 1305048759 131210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you don't < 1305048770 869383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unsafe things aren't used in construction of the IO monad < 1305048775 660846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they are, but not unsafePerformIO or unsafeCoerce < 1305048776 281847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, so only the standard library would use the unsafe stuff I presume? < 1305048788 132923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't the IO monad internally use unsafe stuff? < 1305048788 695138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: occasionally it is useful to get around language restrictions. < 1305048796 342369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but frankly you should have to pass an exam to use it. < 1305048799 12664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, doesn't the IO monad internally use unsafe stuff? < 1305048804 546659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of what would be unsafe in Haskell is part of the RTS < 1305048808 524197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305048809 182410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IO monad is actually just a state monad done with unboxed tuples < 1305048814 592710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on State[hash] RealWorld < 1305048830 32572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is the IO monad written in haskell itself? < 1305048839 146874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not its execution < 1305048852 695658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, interesting, what do you mean with that? < 1305048857 613582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the array libraries have some unsafe functions for avoiding unnecessary bounds checking iirc < 1305048861 595802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305048867 723425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: say main was a list < 1305048870 179354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main :: [Integer] < 1305048872 375284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists are implemented in Haskell < 1305048875 498951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1305048876 967099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the RTS, it'd print out each element of the list in order < 1305048882 250577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, the IO monad is implemented in Haskell < 1305048886 924050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not its execution as side-effects < 1305048895 39451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, you use things in Data for ... data; you use things in Control to structure your program; you use things in System to interface with the outside world, and... that's the vast majority of the stdlib < 1305048897 211305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now you made me wonder what on earth main :: [Integer] would do when compiled with ghc < 1305048907 768397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it wouldn't < 1305048911 660064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main.main has to have type IO () < 1305048914 289759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305048914 777755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1305048915 384672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO a for any a < 1305048916 205723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1305048924 907823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you did < 1305048927 74011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit, type safety, taking all the fun away ;P < 1305048927 959778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main :: IO () < 1305048931 974287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = unsafeCoerce [9,9,9] < 1305048934 458660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just segfault probably < 1305048938 717857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely < 1305048950 864955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of which, how do you give a system exit status in haskell < 1305048959 428198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, say I need to exit with status 17 or whatever < 1305048961 319045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exitSuccess/exitFailure from System.Exit < 1305048965 891853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305048970 764254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, that's a bit of an obvious name... < 1305048971 145381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305048972 261170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or exitWith < 1305048975 282908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305048979 942078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exitSuccess = exitWith ExitSuccess < 1305048986 937013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I was thinking for stuff like befunge < 1305048987 20902 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305048988 57713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exitFailure = exitWith (ExitFailure ) < 1305048996 104140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fun fact, you can implement unsafeCoerce with unsafePerformIO < 1305048998 72020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I plan to do that in haskell, not any time soon at least < 1305049000 14925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it breaks the type system < 1305049010 374271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err... how can that work < 1305049015 339765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IORefs < 1305049021 48102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you can do "newIORef undefined" < 1305049023 915918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you unsafePerformIO that < 1305049026 800695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have absolutely now idea what IORefs are < 1305049028 85611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get an (IORef a) < 1305049041 615517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, the structure of the IO monad would cause the a to be bound as soon as you put anything useful in it < 1305049047 69103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305049047 687125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with unsafePerformIO, you can put anything into it unsafely < 1305049048 984946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and take it out < 1305049053 29794 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1305049054 138586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and treat what you take out as any value < 1305049054 219424 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305049055 574344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... okay < 1305049058 546254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just a mutable variable in the IO monad < 1305049059 340153 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IORefs are mutable references < 1305049064 489725 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking now about making a second esoteric language < 1305049068 765998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can see why this is unsafe yeah < 1305049072 97937 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at ideas page. < 1305049085 791849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it is unsafe because it can perform IO, the fact that it breaks the type system is just a bonus :) < 1305049095 307404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah for me haskell is currently mostly a nice purely functional language for doing smaller things in. < 1305049109 296799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a personal failing ;) < 1305049115 319705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had time < 1305049122 704807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what, isn't being able to crash the thing unsafe? < 1305049131 333308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1305049141 381559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd point to Shiro as a place to see where modules can be useful, but it's so ugly right now that no < 1305049142 59319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part of unsafeCoerce or unsafePerformIO looks safe to you? < 1305049146 49025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what on earth uses unsafeCoerce? < 1305049153 215447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: edward kmett < 1305049166 63504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that went over my head < 1305049170 887237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1305049176 812457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce is useful for two things < 1305049180 376466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) insanely low-level bullshit < 1305049186 749878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) doing things in haskell ninety-eight < 1305049191 223921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (b), you don't have Data.Dynamic < 1305049192 438455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd guess however that it is something like a gangster in a movie, coercing people < 1305049193 994237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such < 1305049196 984129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't do some things < 1305049202 864655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unsafeCoerce :: a -> b < 1305049218 579100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edward kmett uses it a lot because he has a haskell ninety-eight fetish < 1305049224 785671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh... lets see... when would that actually do something sensible? < 1305049237 920685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't < 1305049241 928587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, given arbitrary a and b I can't see how you could... < 1305049248 182737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally just like a C cast < 1305049251 773605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is Data.Dynamic btw? < 1305049254 169290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even less in fact < 1305049256 370181 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Dynamic uses unsafeCoerce internally, obviously... < 1305049261 169828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1305049264 576594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dynamic typing < 1305049268 776252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice < 1305049275 530525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is actually quite useful sometimes < 1305049277 124488 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1305049279 701298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: something of the value Dynamic can be anything in the Typeable typeclass < 1305049286 16994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's safe methods to try and take stuff out of it < 1305049288 496061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(returning (Maybe a)) < 1305049294 384291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this uses unsafeCoerce internally < 1305049299 642654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nice because you can have things like heterogenous maps < 1305049307 659327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could I do something with Dynamic like, checking if something is a tuple and then do something with it, and do something else if it is an integer? < 1305049312 317691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (Map String ) where the String lets you know exactly what type the value would be < 1305049313 963490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro uses this < 1305049322 692065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before I realised Data.Dynamic would suffice, my implementation used unsafeCoerce < 1305049328 661400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haha < 1305049351 902896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fingerprints have their own state types, and I need to store fingerprint => its state, but Maps have only one value type) < 1305049363 879841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so this is, basically, doing things the type system isn't equipped for) < 1305049371 205609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, could I do something with Dynamic like, checking if something is a tuple and then do something with it, and do something else if it is an integer? < 1305049372 412910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305049378 73477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049388 405639 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what's awesome? < 1305049392 521113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up pikhq i'm livecoding < 1305049393 117117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049393 392185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what stuff would I use in haskell to parse and write a binary file format. Probably embedding IEEE floats, doubles, big and little endian 32 bit integers and 7 bits wide bitfields and such < 1305049396 695028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODFOIJGIOSGJOIDFJGOIG < 1305049397 843733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049401 947647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean this would be stupidly simple in erlang < 1305049403 834519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305049405 695183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP TALKING < 1305049407 457023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049407 928692 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waking up and realising you should have woken up an hour ago. < 1305049410 330870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305049411 50785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1305049411 808765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1305049412 923699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049419 176355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | (a,b) <- (fromDynamic x :: (Int,Int)) = ... < 1305049421 493669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, *ouch* < 1305049422 480815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305049424 726556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH JESUS CHRIST < 1305049429 325458 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/ < 1305049431 940139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why don't you use erlang then? :) < 1305049432 311977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE STOP TYPING OR I'LL RIP YOUR THROAT OUT < 1305049433 442044 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a bit subtle, you cannot check if it is _any_ tuple, just if it is a tuple with specific type contents. iiuc. < 1305049438 91711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ban everyone < 1305049439 610411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049443 855206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Just (a,b) <- (fromDynamic x :: (Int,Int)) = ... < 1305049449 443716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305049450 620775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x < 1305049452 806463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Just (a,b) <- (fromDynamic x :: Maybe (Int,Int)) = ... < 1305049458 659544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Just a <- (fromDynamic x :: Maybe Integer) = ... < 1305049462 625644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | otherwise = "fuck you" < 1305049465 58282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1305049495 116993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ARE YOU HAPPY NOOOOOW < 1305049500 117604 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: couldn't you just check if it's a tuple of dynamic then? < 1305049500 470909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, what stuff would I use in haskell to parse and write a binary file format. Probably embedding IEEE floats, doubles, big and little endian 32 bit integers and 7 bits wide bitfields and such < 1305049505 645286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Binary < 1305049508 591025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305049511 19844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the binary package (part of Haskell Platform) < 1305049514 489536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah thanks < 1305049519 112895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure what that would solve exactly though) < 1305049521 9132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :attoparsec is also suitable, but for more text-like ByteStrings < 1305049540 350380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, thanks for that foo example < 1305049541 364431 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well yes, but then you'd have wrap the contents in Dynamic, of course < 1305049550 760731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1305049552 320629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the overhead of Data.Dynamic? < 1305049566 642063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I guess it has some < 1305049572 300869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: runtime? small < 1305049583 898818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the overhead of (toDyn x) compared to x is < 1305049587 332591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a data constructor < 1305049589 122708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- the type representation < 1305049592 350481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305049594 316050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Dynamic = Dynamic TypeRep Obj < 1305049607 12136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the definition of TypeRep < 1305049611 11858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TypeRep = TypeRep !Key TyCon [TypeRep] < 1305049617 470195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't haskell optimise away type information from runtime sometimes? < 1305049620 521020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you said that < 1305049626 910533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Key = Key Int deriving( Eq ) < 1305049633 398175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1305049633 607069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TyCon = TyCon !Key String < 1305049640 240645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: erm, it always does < 1305049644 766959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :types are completely irrelevant at runtime < 1305049660 667739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1305049661 836971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC does < 1305049665 158470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation not language < 1305049678 357710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is done with typeclass magic < 1305049685 220856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can't get erased, by definition < 1305049694 788720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305049706 51058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but surely Data.Dynamic prevents that? < 1305049708 628893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the Typeable class is precisely for getting a representation of a value's type, when you need it < 1305049714 927329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305049715 590139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Dynamic builds on that < 1305049728 781165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, typeclass magic < 1305049749 547345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, obviously, one Data.Dynamic checks the type associated with the Dynamic value is correct, < 1305049755 915083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to get the actual value out of it, as the correct type < 1305049758 827805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses unsafeCoerce < 1305049780 111039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce is actually safer in some sense than unsafePerformIO here; it's safe as long as you check what you're about to do is OK < 1305049793 514007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas unsafePerformIO is unsafe in almost every instance because of Haskell's lack of run-time guarantees < 1305049878 244190 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO is only "safe" when you literally do not care whether or not the side effects actually happen. < 1305049900 904245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or how often :P < 1305049906 923607 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1305049960 274793 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. unsafeCoerce is actually about on par with C casts in safety. Except the name actually tells you that what you're doing might not work right. < 1305050035 78316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C casts are more heavyweight < 1305050037 446459 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a limitation with Dynamic in that you only can check for an exact type. if you have a Dynamic containing an unknown type, but which you know is say a Show instance, then you cannot get to it to print it. < 1305050037 523256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they convert floats and shit < 1305050048 804597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can with existential types < 1305050051 918231 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305050056 178790 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked C casts < 1305050061 998289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway, hmm, are you sure of that? < 1305050064 937983 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some convert, some just cast the binary data direct < 1305050066 783116 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bugs me < 1305050073 969337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you need to arrange for a specific wrapping for the typeclass(es) you want to know about < 1305050084 586354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1305050088 622244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless something has changed majorly, yes... < 1305050098 890560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: show (Showable (fromDyn x ())) < 1305050099 27477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1305050106 764761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Showable = Showable (forall a. (Show a) => a) < 1305050109 245697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Showable where ... < 1305050126 386078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable doesn't wrap up other typeclass information, so Showable cannot get to the Show instance to wrap it again < 1305050142 639886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right < 1305050148 857387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I've ever thought < 1305050156 518750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I need to receive a value which MIGHT be Showable", though :) < 1305050187 575231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would be useful if you want to print things from a heterogeneous collection... < 1305050228 35107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually heterogeneous collections have _some_ kind of constraint on the contents... < 1305050234 117472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can't do anything with them, really < 1305050286 398292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by MIGHT you meant that the value might not be? i guess that may not be common. < 1305050317 123231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305050322 526594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Showable should work fine < 1305050341 28916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in that case you can just use a list of Showables anyway... < 1305050346 875294 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am mainly just pointing out that you cannot use Dynamic to pretend that your haskell values behave like python values ;D < 1305050371 888526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sure you can, it's just that Python doesn't have any concept of Show at all ;) < 1305050381 33417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a weakness of Haskell, it's a blindness of Python :D < 1305050421 12339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more specifically, that Dynamic cannot be directly used to support a dynamic subclass system < 1305050447 422499 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatible with haskell's usual classes < 1305050499 81233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to link to oleg's explanation of how to do it anyhow < 1305050500 151035 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305050524 392190 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305050632 317739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1305050656 563486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Vorpal. < 1305050665 327684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use the program written in Erlang or the program not written in Erlang do accomplish this task? < 1305051073 556730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for what? < 1305051106 340247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURELY THAT IS ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE QUESTION < 1305051311 687838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305051335 134613 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-129.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305051337 684656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo the pol < 1305051351 114526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio the fog < 1305051416 40127 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1305051417 577142 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305051459 56927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hy < 1305051731 502093 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup oklo < 1305051776 366588 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tirred < 1305051793 198806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1305051794 822241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i decided on erlang < 1305051927 899996 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott have you found meaning < 1305051947 362559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305051955 293029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the maening < 1305051992 779946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about jesus? i hear he's lost too < 1305052022 984285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he isssssssssss lost in space < 1305052240 944097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :update we found him < 1305052241 20582 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1305052245 908714 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo PROBLEM SOLVED < 1305052247 91501 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xE2\x98\x83 PROBLEM SOLVED < 1305052249 680445 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305052251 602009 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite :P < 1305052264 699034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is this going to prevent botloops? < 1305052275 560192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would really prefer things just filtered out \[one]DCC. :x < 1305052277 59879 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By coincidence, yes. < 1305052281 834643 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, this will be better. < 1305052283 163412 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assure you. < 1305052293 126433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It seems to involve putting random shit before every message. < 1305052296 941507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is just not better in any universe ever. < 1305052312 868017 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo PROBLEM SOLVED < 1305052313 81067 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ PROBLEM SOLVED < 1305052323 406389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305052327 448062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope you're joking. < 1305052422 390319 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo Better? < 1305052422 526427 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Better? < 1305052447 592238 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a command for another bot. < 1305052459 541130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can already see what it's doing, and it's still barfworthy. < 1305052469 483597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, I expect oerjan will see a lot of muck before everything EgoBot says. < 1305052471 85255 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My policy is "fuck you" < 1305052480 732700 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My policy is "fuck him" < 1305052486 176309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my policy is "for how much money?" < 1305052493 221587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe don't say "Better?" < 1305052507 812418 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honesty is the best policy. < 1305052516 265547 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia, he fucks you < 1305052524 72107 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1305052564 706894 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "foo" < 1305052565 361585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "foo" < 1305052574 838976 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo '> "foo"' < 1305052575 18121 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​> "foo" < 1305052577 992791 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAGIC < 1305052598 326881 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tragic! < 1305052603 207046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If magic is "a character that sometimes on some OSes/IRC clients/etc. shows as invisible or small, but which actually pollutes every bot output", then yes, magic. < 1305052604 496615 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadface :( < 1305052610 163224 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEB75.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo @source !sh echo < 1305052610 409172 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@source !sh echo < 1305052629 437619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so cool < 1305052629 516607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool not available < 1305052637 328050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Magic is "elliott will complain about every fucking thing I do so he can just fuck off" < 1305052648 464074 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEB75.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so blah < 1305052648 540924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah not available < 1305052657 673549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm still wondering why you said "Better?". < 1305052664 502188 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than snowman :P < 1305052703 198741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already expressed what I believe would be the best solution (ban "\[one]DCC" and probably "sendkeylogger", which should be trivial to do with anything), I'm just pointing out that this is a clearly inferior solution that won't work for everyone here. < 1305052714 406926 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you sure the hypothetical afflicted network thingamajikcs that get confused about bad DCC stuff in the 6667 port TCP streams won't just look for any instances of \x01DCC? < 1305052714 902680 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This covers that AND botloops. < 1305052741 693747 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's not the hypothetical problem being solved here ... either of them. < 1305052770 42245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1305052790 364700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They drop the connection at \[one]DCC SEND longenoughstring due to a bug. < 1305052796 299966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "sendkeylogger" gets a drop from Norton /anywhere/ in the line. < 1305052807 470342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lol < 1305052820 559187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem I'm solving is "people bitch when they get CTCPs" < 1305052832 165295 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not solving the particular DCC being sent, which was never actually a problem. < 1305052834 645087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, for a start, CTCPs actually can be anywhere in the line. < 1305052853 402336 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e '\x01ACTION is inclined to disagree.\x01' < 1305052853 682595 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ACTION is inclined to disagree. < 1305052853 791534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a second, the problem being solved here is the bots being able to hypothetically drop connections, unless I'm terribly misunderstanding the staff position on this. < 1305052860 915891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EgoBot is wrong. < 1305052884 812942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e '\x01DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0\x01' < 1305052885 88188 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 < 1305052925 235498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's all idiotic because < 1305052926 273785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 < 1305052931 872388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever would use a bot to do it can do it themselves just fine. < 1305052974 694096 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e '\x01ACTION is inclined to disagree.\x01' < 1305052974 893840 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1305052978 903368 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1305052990 703434 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure broke that X-D < 1305053026 691719 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many clients were there that treated the not-at-start CTCPs properly? (They are legal, sure, but still.) < 1305053037 387874 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e '\x01ACTION is inclined to disagree.\x01' < 1305053037 594635 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1305053040 453851 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305053048 103790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I break this X-D < 1305053052 975489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Since this is all fucking ridiculous pedantry and whoever whined in the first place is an idiot, I'm going to be pedantic in response, yah. < 1305053103 93596 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e '\x01I will stab your face.\x01' < 1305053103 303412 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.I will stab your face.. < 1305053121 750095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e '\x01I will stab your face.\x99' < 1305053122 43880 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.I will stab your face. < 1305053127 340433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will stab your face.™ < 1305053147 770919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that fucked up encoding-detection for that line, thus revealing the Stupid Prefix™. < 1305053148 988795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TM TM TM < 1305053153 462495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TM™ < 1305053226 380731 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1305053240 775324 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo You guys can go suck a rusty nail. < 1305053242 986099 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xE2\x80\x8BYou guys can go suck a rusty nail. < 1305053246 212738 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol wrong < 1305053309 70651 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo You guys can go suck a rusty nail. < 1305053310 299745 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1305053317 633286 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rule < 1305053343 300322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop being fascism, guys. < 1305053433 464945 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo You guys can go suck a rusty nail. < 1305053434 656749 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​You guys can go suck a rusty nail. < 1305053439 626369 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fin. < 1305053458 887028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Hey guys, startkeylogger. < 1305053460 646717 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Hey guys, startkeylogger. < 1305053529 276160 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not going to go filtering "startkeylogger" in all contexts. < 1305053532 883855 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ridiculous. < 1305053539 235426 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger < 1305053556 210109 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, have you seen the enterprise D in minecraft? < 1305053561 965598 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this whole situation is outright ridiculous since anything you could get the bots to say, YOU COULD SAY YOURSELF >_< < 1305053565 106162 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: I've seen it. < 1305053566 916478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was going to send a CTCP, but... < 1305053575 566883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: #esoteric-minecraft < 1305053758 663726 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me wager a try < 1305053957 331356 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-minecraft is just a front for prostitution < 1305054057 766889 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lopl < 1305054060 774276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and minecraft < 1305054081 681766 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305054089 501320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: did they actually finish it? i only saw the video of the sheell < 1305054633 495269 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did someone manage to get lambdabot to do a DCC SEND 27 hours ago? < 1305054645 549297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :several of them < 1305054654 909687 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305054692 857667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305054705 656695 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :!which which < 1305054717 28685 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which which < 1305054718 661522 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/which < 1305054721 119181 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin < 1305054722 812699 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​822-date \ X11 \ [ \ a2p \ addpart \ addr2line \ apropos \ apt-cache \ apt-cdrom \ apt-config \ apt-extracttemplates \ apt-ftparchive \ apt-get \ apt-key \ apt-mark \ apt-sortpkgs \ aptitude \ aptitude-create-state-bundle \ aptitude-run-state-bundle \ ar \ as \ awk \ base64 \ basename \ bashbug \ bdftopcf \ bdftruncate \ bsd-write < 1305054736 539072 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`base64 < 1305054738 200827 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305054746 659295 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`base64 No output. < 1305054748 478161 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305054751 69920 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1305054757 567413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots are back? < 1305054760 992204 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file base64 < 1305054762 858080 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​base64: ERROR: cannot open `base64' (No such file or directory) < 1305054773 934952 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /usr/bin/base64 < 1305054775 378985 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/base64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped < 1305054775 455788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Gregor, what's so bad about Microsoft buying Skype? (or do you like Skype?) < 1305054803 75851 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly like Skype, but I have to use it, and it does not bode well for its Linux and Android ports. < 1305054818 32240 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1305054822 650138 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it on Linux < 1305054823 868017 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...DL < 1305054826 117949 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:* < 1305054828 382620 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305054834 853098 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall make an alternative... < 1305054838 973842 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in BRAINFUCK! < 1305054846 793262 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, Malborge! < 1305054899 982825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are open-source alternatives already, IIRC; I don't know how well they work < 1305054913 602805 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but are they in Brainfuck? < 1305054914 626722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that they work almost as well but are much harder to set up < 1305054925 426941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: BF's IO capacities are a little limited < 1305054948 795249 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But what about PSOX?! < 1305054958 905178 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yeah < 1305054962 716896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : my guess is that they work almost as well but are much harder to set up < 1305054970 103199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compression stuff skype uses is hyper-proprietary < 1305054972 12967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wouldn't be so sure about that < 1305054973 571111 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, even a nice custom texture set < 1305054975 229837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VOIP is a bitch < 1305054979 84913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hmm < 1305054988 849683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they hadn't worked on the linux port in like 5 years anyway. so it's not really gonna get worse... < 1305054988 974561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Speex was pretty good at compression, and it's open-source < 1305055000 96826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's good at offline compression certainly < 1305055001 995320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about streaming? < 1305055020 154900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose it depends on how much context it needs < 1305055020 231200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speex has some streaming-codec-related thing, at least. < 1305055043 896358 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think VOIP is one of their considered use cases. < 1305055100 779771 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know brainfuck has limited IO < 1305055101 430938 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1305055106 289300 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck++ (IIRC) doesn't < 1305055108 743064 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has sockets < 1305055116 185794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a huge number of BF variants, I've lost track of them all < 1305055120 742060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many < 1305055126 262679 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305055127 809573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all need a quick death in flames < 1305055131 114520 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bandwagon < 1305055136 438782 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly MAEK AN ORIGINAL LANGUAGE < 1305055150 413846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Phantom_Hoover < 1305055188 633454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (Deletion log); 17:27 . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (deleted "Talk:Tory": content was: '== MbxNJPMXPOoaQGQ ==TYVM you've sleovd all my problems' (and the only contributor was '206.169.53.170')) < 1305055188 914001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (Deletion log); 17:26 . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (deleted "User talk:68.226.23.83": content was: '== QNYOwomFjTW ==That’s not just logic. That’s really ssenbile.' (and the only contributor was '1.202.192.7')) < 1305055190 682215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new favourite quotes < 1305055214 296626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :TYVM you've sleovd all my problems | "That's not just logic. That's really ssenbile." --Ernest Hemingway | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1305055224 506611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ajf: BF's IO capacities are a little limited" <<< psox < 1305055228 518344 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hemingway was a very ssenbile person. < 1305055234 288877 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "Fring" thing used to speak Skype, don't know how it is nowadays. (And it's not open-source.) < 1305055254 591192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi NICK :Sgeo < 1305055260 622161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1305055262 824983 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1305055266 246392 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oklopol. < 1305055270 26049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you transferred yet < 1305055272 786862 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm creeping myself out < 1305055285 868854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not obsessing enough < 1305055292 564292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really terrible roleplaying :/ < 1305055306 947188 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay umm i talked to my dad and he said i can't transfer < 1305055324 616821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that basterd < 1305055327 128629 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's this girl i really like and she might like my but she might also not like me < 1305055337 91571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does she smoke < 1305055338 39413 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck at everything :( < 1305055339 402703 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: She might like your what? < 1305055349 495738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dont be rude < 1305055349 899644 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: smoking is bad for you according to my dad < 1305055353 567406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his dad installed an software on his pc < 1305055357 142084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which stops him saying rude words < 1305055360 668805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "personality" < 1305055361 425889 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sorry typo < 1305055362 958646 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1305055368 967270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I... < 1305055372 443746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Approximately one trillion readers wrote in to tell us that there is a big rumor that Microsoft is buying Skype. < 1305055377 60490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*According to your dad*. < 1305055377 235712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that sort of hyperbole is worrying < 1305055386 51926 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly it's great roleplaying < 1305055387 502677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can you tell us the proximity to your lips of your last kiss plz < 1305055387 779436 :Sgeo!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1305055392 220052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something we need to know as a channel < 1305055392 747183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305055394 556166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's gone < 1305055395 849889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1305055396 814988 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last kiss was a long time ago < 1305055406 483068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305055412 627746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait actually it isn't < 1305055413 939486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305055421 504888 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last sex was tho < 1305055423 159835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that was bad and you are a bad person. < 1305055425 993587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, oklopol/Sgeo's IP doesn't match either of their usual IPs, although it's in Finland < 1305055431 939232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, sorry < 1305055434 680941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly I should be informed if Sgeo is to be mocked. < 1305055441 812213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make it terribly obvious i was joking < 1305055448 511530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poe's law < 1305055457 354176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to be more sgeo than gseo < 1305055458 217118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1305055460 788783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sgeo is such a stereotypical sgeo i suppose that doesn't show easily < 1305055473 78733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to remember what poe's law is < 1305055483 941063 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i moved < 1305055486 520563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1305055489 490476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it has no wikipedia article it doesn't exist < 1305055494 431126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only documented on spam sites with lots of adverts < 1305055494 845071 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved ages ago but i used an intermediate internet < 1305055500 592577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT ancient log references < 1305055515 692171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google Poe's Law < 1305055517 328097 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305055522 166754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305055523 292688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a Thing. < 1305055527 349474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google Poe's Law < 1305055527 711428 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://google.com/search?q=Poe's+Law < 1305055534 975400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?google Poe's Law < 1305055536 45806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law < 1305055536 122713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Poe's Law - RationalWiki < 1305055542 199151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look < 1305055543 310055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A refreshing directness of approach from EgoBot. < 1305055543 386315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law < 1305055546 896721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a wikipedia article now < 1305055551 324374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just started existing < 1305055597 241777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw someone Google it in another channel recently, and Wikipedia wasn't the first answer < 1305055603 9308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I concluded it wasn't on Wikipedia at all < 1305055656 280168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decided it didn't exist a few years ago, because I linked to the RW article < 1305055665 408035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite infuriating < 1305055723 848640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a rational wiki is there also a natural wiki and a real wiki? < 1305055749 272655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305055757 193878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very complex wiki HUR HUR < 1305055770 692866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but some of the articles are kind of irrational < 1305055779 323219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305055798 83617 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate myself < 1305055813 207538 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo < 1305055813 284297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have perl bok but saw haskell and am woner hey this is new and improved and seems powerful because MIT guy philip green says haskell adn lisp are only langs where u spend more tie thinking than < 1305055813 361927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding < 1305055817 579062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you too oklopol < 1305055822 849491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no you don't < 1305055837 341269 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1305055841 74444 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/events/io/2011 < 1305055929 724903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to the talk page for that article, it's been deleted three times already < 1305055953 656066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that < 1305055955 912010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ^ Aikin, Scott F., Poe's Law, Group Polarization, and the Epistemology of Online Religious Discourse (January, 23 2009). Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1332169 < 1305055956 754669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ^ a b Chivers, Tom (23 Oct 2009). "Internet rules and laws: the top 10, from Godwin to Poe". The Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6408927/Internet-rules-and-laws-the-top-10-from-Godwin-to-Poe.html. < 1305055958 368678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have made it start existing < 1305055991 216196 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305056004 580137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Slashdot have actually improved their interface, making it uglier but less annoying < 1305056008 398825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they go in the other direction < 1305056015 24112 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305056019 840661 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google App Engine for GO < 1305056020 657091 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1305056069 818941 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that a surprise < 1305056074 800268 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an interesting thing < 1305056098 284554 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting because, I didn't know Go was suitable < 1305056111 65441 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprsing for me because I didn't realise google took Go that seriously < 1305056112 286070 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1305056115 992997 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you think google made it < 1305056119 390591 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not for app engine < 1305056123 495535 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1305056126 199645 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1305056131 373656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google did not make go < 1305056140 765052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go is a twenty-percent time project by the creators of plan 9. < 1305056149 120417 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305056149 955291 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whoever made go, google stuck with it and marketed it < 1305056152 825995 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :created within google < 1305056155 18841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also designed for systems programming, not web development. < 1305056155 422556 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305056158 911624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google do not market go at all. < 1305056173 592334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is exactly one google blog post about it, and a few videos on their youtube developers channel < 1305056182 244668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golang.org/ <-- not a single mention of google apart from the app engine news post. < 1305056212 477152 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305056220 843202 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing about it from Google though < 1305056226 997311 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a Google thing though < 1305056228 591972 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1305056233 368450 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just popular inside Google < 1305056241 694918 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is a 20% time project of those people < 1305056252 750949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the 20% stuff who can even really tell who's project it is < 1305056259 35704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitely not very tied to google < 1305056282 365644 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the media has marketed Go as a "Google's Go" because google made sure of it < 1305056312 705265 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :go is as unrelated to google as are drugs to the brixton underground station < 1305056438 578250 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, mention of google: http://golang.org/doc/go_faq.html#Can_I_translate_the_Go_home_page < 1305056456 586663 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to use the google logo on something unrelated to google? < 1305056458 81749 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1305056528 975760 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, it's sort of obvious that google is afraid enough of a negative reaction (google is borg etc) that they didn't want to blow it and un-branded Go as much as possible < 1305056573 378554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is always easier to formulate conspiracies than to actually try and make sense. < 1305056574 876126 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, people at google i spoke to uniformly said that it's one of their top concerns everyone says google is evil < 1305056586 688994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to contact russ cox now and tell him he's been found out, poor guy < 1305056594 792626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ken will be devastated. < 1305056611 5150 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to include a nice drawing with it. < 1305056613 548691 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe of a spider. < 1305056802 134990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305056807 419272 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305057004 972398 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f787.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1305057107 539140 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305057113 204578 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305057122 435893 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 NICK :elliott < 1305057130 379227 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305057140 472291 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305057154 264277 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305057164 456604 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305057175 22874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Google maps has something called "Scotmid Funeral Services". < 1305057701 5314 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 NICK :elliott < 1305057712 707391 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Changing host < 1305057712 784440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305058606 522707 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft will continue to invest in and support Skype clients on non-Microsoft platforms." < 1305058609 644176 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, suuuuure you will. < 1305058638 280974 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft and Skype share the vision of bringing software innovation and products to our customers, lol < 1305058661 808293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a rumour that Facebook were planning to buy Skype too, wasn't there? < 1305058671 993444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mentioned in the above linked article < 1305058674 44050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which would be worse < 1305058683 225334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the above linked article is about Go < 1305058696 705121 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305058697 19397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is the one above, and the one about /that/ is about Poe's Law < 1305058697 299231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a "would be" < 1305058701 142913 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft's buyout is confirmed. < 1305058703 74174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*above /that/ < 1305058703 150636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the topic anymore < 1305058703 717616 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1305058722 236390 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2011/may11/05-10CorpNewsPR.mspx < 1305058746 985388 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the rumour was that either Facebook or Google will buy Skype, but then turns out Skype was indeed getting bought, but by Microsoft. < 1305059483 583122 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1305059488 984553 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 < 1305059494 140022 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype for Linux withdrawn < 1305059503 922521 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft doesn't acknowledge it ever existed < 1305059512 725656 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mac version will stay though < 1305059518 413120 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :else Apple will ra- < 1305059523 737802 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :owait FaceTime < 1305059530 197484 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, I've heard that YouTube is buying Microsoft. < 1305059535 10884 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, the Mac version will stay. < 1305059540 937226 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple will WANT no Skypee < 1305059547 143963 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: But yeah, Microsoft will withdraw the Linux version and ALL references to it. < 1305059554 25059 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will make it vanish like Microsoft Xenix. < 1305059563 434056 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1305059565 841391 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1305059580 45223 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft used to say < 1305059587 708031 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that XENIX and DOS went hand-in-hand < 1305059595 334074 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they say "Xenix?" < 1305059605 249326 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, that you could write applications that using common I/O and functions would work on both < 1305059608 631970 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305059619 997925 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1305059624 678487 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact < 1305059632 764077 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have completely abandoned it, no code re-used < 1305059644 243943 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I know? The Windows 7 UNIX Environment... < 1305059647 813460 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses GNU Utils... < 1305059667 17372 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not propreitary xenix-based UNIX utilities < 1305059674 909948 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they sold Xenix too. < 1305059682 55038 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may very well have not had the rights to use it by now. < 1305059695 40878 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1305059765 131455 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the beginnings of the OS X days, Apple scrubbed all references to Linux from their site. < 1305059777 36258 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1305059778 765120 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before then they had MkLinux (albeit abandoned) and a few other random things. < 1305059781 691012 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not exactly < 1305059786 843527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now they say "Xenix?" <--- hehe < 1305059806 583983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did Xenix die? < 1305059806 724934 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steve Jobs mentioned that Darwin was very "linux-like" in his initial keynote on OS X < 1305059836 604697 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin is like Linux, but BSD-based, has a funny Apple-designed open-source license, and no sensible person uses it < 1305059849 760656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hey guys, I've heard that YouTube is buying Microsoft. <-- I can only presume this is a joke < 1305059857 87909 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr < 1305059867 983848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like how the rumour was that either Facebook or Google will buy Skype, but then turns out Skype was indeed getting bought, but by Microsoft. <-- ouch. < 1305059875 927586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Darwin is like Linux, but BSD-based, has a funny Apple-designed open-source license, and no sensible person uses it < 1305059881 689309 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Also, Darwin is a monolithic kernel sitting on Mach, because that's brilliant. < 1305059885 654484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from everyone who uses os x < 1305059888 292327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I never used skype < 1305059901 694165 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait what < 1305059906 285740 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1305059915 304161 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a monolithic kernel running ON TOP OF a microkernel? < 1305059931 458884 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1305059932 676934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait, what happened to netmeeting? < 1305059937 696342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember it? < 1305059937 799222 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1305059938 153346 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like MkLinux. < 1305059946 949661 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple has a weird obsession with Mach, even when it gives them nothing. < 1305059961 149754 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I remember that it existed once :P < 1305059971 517867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, right < 1305059978 301050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, AND MS Chat! < 1305059984 330632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in comics mode! < 1305059984 652809 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305059985 691480 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing Mach is the reason that uname -a tells me I have an i386 processor when I don't. < 1305059986 358358 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1305059989 466742 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's genius < 1305059998 751468 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can say they have a microkernel and not lie < 1305060008 579675 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say they have a monolithic kernel and not lie < 1305060012 928218 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1305060014 814778 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's marketing brilliance < 1305060016 150223 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what they do :P < 1305060035 319674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, but wait, why would saying that be useful? < 1305060047 717779 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't < 1305060053 892983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on, who cares which sort of kernel it is, as long as it is fast and gets the job done < 1305060056 629805 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for marketing purposes... < 1305060080 784349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, yes but why would that be useful for marketing < 1305060094 555150 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say both < 1305060099 327865 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1305060110 255009 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait I am confused < 1305060110 331482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Apple markets to people who know what a kernel is. < 1305060117 363659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no they don't. < 1305060121 197102 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin is built on XNU < 1305060130 521393 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apple also have released XNU < 1305060132 720268 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305060133 268238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XNU is BSD on Mach. < 1305060138 860707 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Yeah, it's XNU that I'm referring to. < 1305060145 234166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With drivers on Mach.) < 1305060146 233277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can say both <-- yes but come on, apple target end users, who don't care which fucking type of kernel it is as long as it works < 1305060157 446135 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1305060162 740831 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not completely serious < 1305060163 937830 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus < 1305060170 301067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305060190 958486 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac users probably think a kernel is some evil thing PC's do that's not good < 1305060197 539275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, could you run other kernels on top of mach side by side with the OS X one? < 1305060212 703962 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think Mac OS X also gained a fair bit of market in the beginning from reeling in Unixers. < 1305060223 634776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1305060224 652838 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1305060230 835161 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Better than Microsoft!" < 1305060233 869085 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only to then be trapped in an environment which simultaneously conforms to all Unix standards and is the shittiest Unix one would ever want to use. < 1305060243 474406 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305060246 620945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Come on, that's Interix. < 1305060250 257871 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :follows standards < 1305060252 659306 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet incompatible < 1305060255 788112 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's magic < 1305060259 246257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define incompatible. < 1305060265 375535 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, OSX is an abomination < 1305060268 11524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is compatible with most Unix software. < 1305060276 954702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shitty, yes, but shittiness does not equate to being able to make ridiculously untrue statements. < 1305060283 877988 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go for windows+gnu over osx any day of the week < 1305060293 770204 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what < 1305060296 484182 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, now that I've started a flamewar, I'll step out trolololololol < 1305060299 346885 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin > OS X Darwin < 1305060303 4320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1305060303 985257 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACT < 1305060304 851789 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305060305 270255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin is bad. < 1305060306 312089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insanely bad. < 1305060309 814247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin is the slowest piece of shit ever. < 1305060310 176090 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1305060313 185742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1305060315 464399 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1305060319 342103 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is awesome < 1305060319 579071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interix/Gentoo Prefix is vastly superior to Cygwin. < 1305060319 716246 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin may be bad, but it's not as bad as osx. < 1305060322 61943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even that's lame. < 1305060330 880502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: have you ever run a configure script on cygwin? < 1305060334 294874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure --help can take several minutes. < 1305060339 594609 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1305060341 963292 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1305060347 21610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin's fork() is insanely slow and stupif. < 1305060347 644007 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your 386? < 1305060348 94861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid. < 1305060350 909714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is particularly slow at configue because it forks a lot of processes < 1305060352 542633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, most of all OS X = beachball spinning to me. Could be because I mostly used an older mac (plastic white, big space between keys, whatever model that is), that was upgraded to 10.6 < 1305060355 541162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*configure < 1305060360 445950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't slow in general, it's just really bad at forking < 1305060361 981699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Windows < 1305060363 604640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Cygwin is useless at shell scripts entirely, which makes it the SHITTIEST Unix possible. < 1305060374 626857 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then how does google chrome do it? < 1305060376 170623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not ones written in pure bash! < 1305060379 335178 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a process pool? < 1305060382 780118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: orly? < 1305060388 615623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That doesn't sound like an older model to me. < 1305060391 110541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: it isn't forking; it uses multiple processes, but does not fork < 1305060393 691497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe two thousand and six old. < 1305060395 240497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay < 1305060396 531949 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, osx has additionally the worst fucking gui ever < 1305060398 596894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: What < 1305060400 154696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that sounds right < 1305060402 483635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows in general can't fork; Cygwin can simulate it, but via a really complex process < 1305060402 851647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Do you have any idea what fork is < 1305060403 105311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2006 I meant < 1305060404 387402 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than X Window < 1305060407 18014 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh yeah, doesn't fork share address space or something < 1305060408 608905 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1305060415 350559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, nope < 1305060420 974938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: it copies pretty much everything < 1305060421 216029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork clones the current process and branches. < 1305060426 562600 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cloning < 1305060428 537331 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305060428 637795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not the same as starting a new process. < 1305060436 87833 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :entiendo. < 1305060437 48888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork is also how you start a new process on Unix. < 1305060438 154913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think the bash part of cygwin works fine (no idea of the speed, probably awful) < 1305060447 496923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Unix is practically based around starting processes, Cygwin is uselessly slow. < 1305060448 891552 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand. Entiendo. Wakarimashita. < 1305060456 211108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally it took until the latest release to get ANY Unicode support. < 1305060463 431791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh < 1305060463 886459 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1305060467 566443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the package manager is HORRIBLE, and all the packages are major versions out of date. < 1305060474 521570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1305060476 307533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin is terrible. < 1305060482 269269 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305060484 785946 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again < 1305060487 759752 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as terrible as osx. < 1305060490 728494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything unix on windows is terrible < 1305060492 323333 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the MS UNIX environment like, I wonder? < 1305060494 368067 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why? < 1305060498 186879 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because windows has putty < 1305060503 493455 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is NO good terminal for osx < 1305060505 580060 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the NT POSIX subsystem? < 1305060511 382672 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminal.app is surprisingly shitty. < 1305060524 378672 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a story < 1305060524 921437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, yes < 1305060526 652576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: there is xterm < 1305060528 138734 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'm in this candy store and the only door out of it is full of liche trying to bite your balls off < 1305060535 656805 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once upon a time there was Terminal.app < 1305060542 38297 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gnome's terminal < 1305060547 4746 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminal.app was shitty < 1305060547 855753 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1305060553 843326 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, i was unable to install xterm or it was shitty, i don't remember < 1305060561 225548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, uh, what about konsole? < 1305060569 48019 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: konsole? < 1305060569 258224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all OSX terminals are pretty bad, as far as I know < 1305060576 626400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, you mentioned gnome's terminal < 1305060577 979404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1305060579 516724 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the KDE one < 1305060582 380258 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, posix != unix < 1305060588 572463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, also nothing wrong with urxvt < 1305060590 800310 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: I am aware < 1305060595 542979 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just run rxvt-unicode on OS X with X11.app. < 1305060598 467762 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it allows you to run some UNIX software < 1305060614 523607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, personally I use konsole from inside gnome < 1305060615 861506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1305060616 801127 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I used Konsole? < 1305060618 833034 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago < 1305060620 558910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: you must've found it shitty then, because X11 is either included in the OS install or installable from the install disc < 1305060621 662890 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knoppix < 1305060626 484698 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad and good memories flood back < 1305060627 346427 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305060636 354458 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305060645 175878 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh right, it required X11 < 1305060652 569277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, on another system where I use gnome-terminal I changed key bindings for switching/moving tabs to match those in konsole < 1305060655 740984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too used to it < 1305060660 748582 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305060660 924729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I gave up KDE after KDE 3 < 1305060661 231963 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who wants to have X11 running on a mac that can barely handle firefox < 1305060667 44320 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's one of the recent Mac Pro's btw < 1305060673 833759 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1305060678 146406 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305060679 623042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm likely giving up on gnome soon. If gnome 3 is as bad as it looks < 1305060693 55142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll go for xfce or something < 1305060694 623001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1305060697 17224 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we are on the subject of Mac OS X/Apple stuff < 1305060705 15212 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess my favourite esoteric language < 1305060713 78601 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's the Other Thing (Windows Services for UNIX and/or Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications) that actually provides a Unixy thing in Windows, unlike the really minimal POSIX subsystem. < 1305060715 496305 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use XFCE+konsole durpadurp :P < 1305060728 812759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, Banana scheme? < 1305060736 629537 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah < 1305060737 224555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for that) < 1305060741 646118 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, Objective-C < 1305060746 683071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1305060747 555149 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's why i pointed out the difference to ajf < 1305060752 874222 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the nice thing about xfce there: you're allowed to run both gnome and qt software without hating the other kind :) < 1305060755 104 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, O-C is not esoteric. < 1305060760 467678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1305060763 106958 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: Sure it is < 1305060771 665824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that POSIX subsystem is dead isn't it? < 1305060775 486431 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only esoteric if you're a troll < 1305060776 97244 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They took C and deliberately made it worse < 1305060776 362568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you're required to hate both anyway, dunno which of those it is the most really < 1305060777 299313 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite < 1305060779 519183 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I believe it is. < 1305060800 950396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, better than C++ < 1305060808 285165 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true... < 1305060810 156732 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rinkworks.com/bookaminute/b/clarke.2001.shtml "Reader Wow. I understand the movie now." <-- bahahahahah so true < 1305060814 629492 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1305060819 331962 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a stupid idea :> < 1305060826 366305 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305060828 600238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, on the other hand the only thing worse than C++ that I can think of right now would be PHP < 1305060830 823646 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preprocessor abuse to create an esoteric language < 1305060836 141690 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no no no < 1305060838 920564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, so taking C and trying to make it worse produces something better than taking C and trying to improve it? < 1305060841 216206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ? < 1305060842 447849 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is vaguely usable < 1305060851 878192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1305060854 564185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1305060863 821315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: lol php < 1305060870 265020 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ajf trolling < 1305060873 985577 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1305060877 484370 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is he just new to the idea of computers < 1305060878 36280 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, PHP is OK < 1305060883 800760 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard library is.... not < 1305060887 61124 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, have you had a computer last year < 1305060889 268286 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the equality operator is not < 1305060896 294798 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: yes and I made sites in PHP < 1305060902 442271 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can confirm PHP is shitty < 1305060905 820986 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but worse exists < 1305060907 224757 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone speak german natively? < 1305060914 906746 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speak german non-badly < 1305060919 861747 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and live in germany. < 1305060920 365881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you mean in the channel? I imagine lots of people do altogether < 1305060929 397106 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes :P < 1305060929 594108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : but worse exists <--- noooo? < 1305060930 274985 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently. < 1305060942 717923 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: i need a german not a second-language speaker, but thank you < 1305060952 81185 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, why do you? < 1305060958 240914 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some germans, i could ask them whatever < 1305060964 227629 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1305060970 325688 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think worse exists < 1305060976 924144 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was I thinking of just now < 1305060977 166393 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305060977 650232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, such as? < 1305060985 451534 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: i have some grammaicality judgment questions < 1305060990 804114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is actually quite a bit better than php < 1305060991 729897 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill poke you later with them? < 1305060992 927940 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think a second < 1305060994 770521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit < 1305060999 916387 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :better now < 1305061004 990160 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic < 1305061006 882735 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm going to sleep in 3..2..1.. < 1305061012 769478 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really but soon < 1305061014 714311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... haven't used it so don't know < 1305061025 65688 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait actually no, Visual Basic.NET is *ok* < 1305061031 430958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, but at least C++ is slightly better than PHP < 1305061034 821600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1305061037 367367 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1305061046 238952 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, PHP does have some *good* features < 1305061050 871251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1305061051 575240 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them < 1305061054 459153 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are shit < 1305061058 923416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones < 1305061061 817363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, sessions are really easy < 1305061064 866060 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :session_start(); < 1305061067 760949 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, globals < 1305061069 301070 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_GET < 1305061073 57433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ugh < 1305061073 250407 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :third, nothing else < 1305061077 308270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second is a misfeature < 1305061083 323848 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't. < 1305061089 17186 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_GET["quack"] < 1305061095 324749 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305061097 723659 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ciao < 1305061098 212575 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that? < 1305061098 902492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, come on, it should be a parameter to the entry point < 1305061103 476083 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done doing what thousands of other languages do too < 1305061105 312051 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no entry point < 1305061109 87672 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a scripting language < 1305061109 960430 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305061113 729431 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or frameworks in said languages < 1305061127 349079 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1305061129 17110 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305061131 985772 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say, after using Perl < 1305061137 533316 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For web development, it is... < 1305061140 992114 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as bad as PHP < 1305061150 675170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, there should be no global state < 1305061170 379469 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure sure < 1305061177 582174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from things external to the language, databases, file system and so on < 1305061195 632639 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things external to the language, like databases, file systems, HTTP requests ... < 1305061195 943693 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Perl has all its ugliness right on the surface (in the unreadable syntax) but comes with clever (and sinister) ideas beneath it, php is just layers of stupid < 1305061215 657949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hey you can regard the page as a function of the HTTP request < 1305061220 950742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it is NOT global state < 1305061227 671200 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is entering sarcasm mode < 1305061242 826720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, why < 1305061246 625225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm serious < 1305061249 638366 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP IS AWESOME BECAUSE EVRY FUNCTION YOU EVAR NEED EVAR IS IN THE GLOBAL NAMESPACE < 1305061253 88021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305061261 833355 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exits sarcasm mode < 1305061267 429927 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, i worked with a core php developer < 1305061269 645937 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is precisely what I HATE about PHP < 1305061275 292488 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. i wrote better php than him 2. he's an idiot < 1305061282 291772 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. would not recommend hiring him < 1305061283 205978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they add namespaces? < 1305061284 328364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1305061286 626567 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NOT USE NAMESPACES, PHP 5? < 1305061294 418551 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and they don't use them. go figure < 1305061295 915560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some weird syntax < 1305061309 604662 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have them, but still pretty much everything is imported by default < 1305061316 989820 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than ANSI C < 1305061318 931663 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much worse < 1305061336 331527 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also PHP-tards defend this... D: < 1305061349 521696 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorable quotes are "instead of exceptions you can just return 0, it's the same. what's so special about exceptions" as well as "every woman has her price" and "prague? what can you do there other than sex tourism?" < 1305061349 602955 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1305061354 305117 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even JS is better tahn PHP < 1305061376 219825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, nothing is imported by standard in C < 1305061381 303724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay a few #defines < 1305061384 942477 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not what I mean < 1305061400 974209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, what did you mean then < 1305061401 152491 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just C has some issues with function name conflicts < 1305061410 449428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, oh yes I know, I used ncurses < 1305061412 105216 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As no namespaces < 1305061416 366997 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1305061421 381545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it has #define cls() and what not < 1305061425 597167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it #define clear() < 1305061425 673480 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is significantly worse as they import EVERYTHING < 1305061430 377746 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305061431 734671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well stupidity like that anyway < 1305061442 653053 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, cry me a river < 1305061456 562875 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, we should have like an esolang competition on writing stupid shit in php < 1305061461 697861 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :using goto and stuff like that < 1305061465 659942 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: thanks for confirming my prejudices on php developers < 1305061466 29935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is better that it is #defines in ncurses, means you can at least link to other stuff < 1305061471 654552 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1305061473 306321 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe namespaces, introspection, and the debugging api < 1305061473 472434 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305061477 746063 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will race all of you < 1305061484 155562 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to add the esolang article for PHP < 1305061486 2991 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it. < 1305061487 991157 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now. < 1305061491 18997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1305061495 98608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is too terrible for it < 1305061499 579402 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1305061526 572045 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could put it in the joke langs list < 1305061534 635398 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. do that. < 1305061535 271599 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw < 1305061536 684408 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW! < 1305061542 283895 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is who added goto to php < 1305061556 984732 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lobbied for it, whatever < 1305061557 887764 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was working with the best of the best < 1305061617 580388 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305061633 492775 :horror21!kvirc@ip68-227-133-178.br.br.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305061634 788249 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't been following the conversation have you < 1305061641 698180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with everything built into the parser and rewinding the input stream for flow control and stuff like that, I imagine goto could be a bit difficult to add < 1305061642 956733 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you manage that ajf < 1305061649 864118 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what guy < 1305061655 766903 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow missed the person you mean < 1305061659 242328 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what flying saucer < 1305061667 651038 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no flying saucer < 1305061689 658104 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are absolutely positive there never was and never will be a gun in this room. < 1305061720 544514 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Your key has no bullets.* < 1305061757 105557 :horror21!kvirc@ip68-227-133-178.br.br.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1305061784 410431 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's not even a real goto, but anyways it's just some bytecode hack or something < 1305061810 617231 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like php makes sense < 1305061816 900868 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I added a language to the joke language list < 1305061818 542590 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't bother learning anything about it < 1305061827 601863 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the language < 1305061837 444048 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess < 1305061843 95047 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :objective-c < 1305061847 621094 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305061851 637873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :practical extraction and reporting language or whatever it's called? < 1305061855 868020 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1305061867 37687 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously a joke < 1305061877 523650 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who would make a language that crap intentionally/ < 1305061894 591391 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rasmus < 1305061900 184976 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1305062026 634899 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/PHP < 1305062036 959951 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you guys help expand this article? < 1305062052 470614 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305062064 761585 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but put in info about some esolang properties of it < 1305062070 709458 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like goto, introspection, etc < 1305062094 779440 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1305062154 414390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305062176 17777 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and streams < 1305062199 893755 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1305062207 794206 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see second google result for "php goto" < 1305062209 814971 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahaha < 1305062320 975003 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.classkit.php < 1305062412 989054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: can I ask that you don't put widely used programming languages on the joke language list? a) they don't fit there, b) it massively confused Reddit a while back < 1305062422 644975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a separate list for esoteric features of real-world languages, really < 1305062423 515740 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1305062424 711748 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305062436 554758 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think PHP should be there though < 1305062438 237777 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ONE < 1305062443 550531 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305062481 485242 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: what's wrong with classkit? < 1305062506 519136 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1305062523 112880 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a nice essay on physics: http://www.php.net/manual/en/objaggregation.examples.association.php < 1305062539 927517 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example, molecules are aggregates of atoms) < 1305062548 939685 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.reflection.php < 1305062854 545134 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the name of this extension < 1305062855 362148 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.nis.php < 1305062864 268314 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y P/NIS? < 1305062876 861208 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCUZ. < 1305062932 610076 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, here's another php joke: http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.tokenizer.php < 1305062941 339107 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you totally could do some evil shit with that < 1305063077 769129 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways i too think that having PHP on the esolangs wiki is a stupid idea < 1305063095 165868 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still think having an esolang joke-competition with php would be funny < 1305063151 213266 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/PHP#Equality_operator < 1305063166 793944 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have begun to describe why PHP is esoteric < 1305063178 329104 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1305063185 706496 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric means not well known < 1305063190 417474 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is widely known and used < 1305063194 837171 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily < 1305063268 387949 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you are speaking a pretend-language which uses english words with completely different meanings. < 1305063321 160682 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean computer science? < 1305063322 864371 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUP. < 1305063401 867690 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love PHP. < 1305063403 888010 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"12 zombies" + "10 young ladies" + "bourbon" == "22 cream puffs" < 1305063411 580482 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1e1" == "10" < 1305063427 99063 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, GTG, goodnight < 1305063431 903491 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1305063616 740738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think that's pretty sane myself. < 1305063628 464889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :== is not intended to be used to compare strings < 1305063640 544909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it converts them to numbers in the most sensible way first < 1305063643 324608 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1305063672 143193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, "if it starts with a number, use that number, otherwise, make it zero" < 1305063706 762735 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305064268 320481 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it only does that when the strings "look like" numbers, which I don't think is all that consistent-and-sane. "1e1" == "10" is true, but "foo" == "bar" is false. < 1305064296 42204 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-129.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305064303 321321 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If == would truly be some sort of numeric-only compare, it should coerce all strings to numbers. < 1305064514 144487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's the MS UNIX environment like, I wonder? < 1305064514 353524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You know, the NT POSIX subsystem? < 1305064523 985998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, Gentoo Prefix/Interix < 1305064547 623726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ajf, posix != unix < 1305064551 837575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no posix = unix < 1305064553 918540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same standard < 1305064582 423214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and who wants to have X11 running on a mac that can barely handle firefox < 1305064582 958882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and that's one of the recent Mac Pro's btw < 1305064585 430407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're full of shit < 1305064658 553835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait actually no, Visual Basic.NET is *ok* < 1305064663 436483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh get out < 1305064703 639133 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1305064740 811356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : with everything built into the parser and rewinding the input stream for flow control and stuff like that, I imagine goto could be a bit difficult to add < 1305064744 311838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol that was php two < 1305064774 646596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf|offline: hi, please stop spamming the wiki with non-esolangs < 1305064782 248991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ajf: can I ask that you don't put widely used programming languages on the joke language list? a) they don't fit there, b) it massively confused Reddit a while back < 1305064788 686397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'll want to delete [[PHP]] < 1305064790 151221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by unix though? posix != sus at least < 1305064815 514360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it shouldn't be categorised as an esolang, at least < 1305064816 438027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :QNX claim that they implement posix without being ANYTHING LIKE a unix :) < 1305064834 754658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it shouldn't exist, that's beyond our scope by any judgement < 1305064839 875323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :move it to uncyclopedia or something < 1305064844 310829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you mean by unix though? posix != sus at least < 1305064845 840878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not equal howso < 1305064846 407830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after adding humor < 1305064852 607194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same standard published with different names < 1305064867 371049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, really? I though sus was a superset of posix < 1305064909 209775 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Once upon a time* it was a seperate spec. < 1305064957 645748 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:SUS_History.svg < 1305065012 871285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have deleted it, upon thought; I can imagine a genuine article being there, talking about PHP as an esolang, but that is not it < 1305065035 535747 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305065120 999834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TazeTSchnitzel/DevPerc/blob/master/numbers.py < 1305065126 542153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a joke right < 1305065135 669520 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUSv4 includes X/OPEN CURSES, which is not part of POSIX, if you want to be overly pedantic; the SUS page formulates the situation as "The *core* of the Single UNIX Specification, Version 4 is also IEEE Std 1003.1." (emphasis mine) < 1305065162 700342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right < 1305065172 703728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone not implement x/open curses? :) < 1305065186 572497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def wrap(num): < 1305065186 752432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while num > 255: < 1305065186 829335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : num -= 256 < 1305065186 829507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while num < 0: < 1305065186 829689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : num += 256 < 1305065187 688524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return num < 1305065189 554183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1305065191 512986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def bool_to_int(b): < 1305065193 658022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 1 if b == True else 0 < 1305065195 703640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1305065210 560526 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be hard to just install ncurses, anyways. < 1305065223 425486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: x/open curses is not just curses... < 1305065245 715788 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else is it? < 1305065253 588160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc shit < 1305065287 419224 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305065591 644907 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the (The Open Group only) UNIX 03 certification program != the (IEEE and The Open Group) POSIX certification program, as far as I can figure out; and the relevant trademarks have ownership differences; if you prefer to think of == as a business-theoretical comparison operator. < 1305065806 332526 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305066960 626134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305067385 776288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1305067466 806759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Gseo < 1305067480 559549 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-135-25.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305067620 194543 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305068469 648830 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305068480 123981 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;sys.__dict__.clear() < 1305068482 640840 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solves all Python problems. < 1305068600 53591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO solve < 1305068616 58032 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :system("runhaskell"); < 1305068620 269585 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solves all C problems. < 1305068994 529720 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-135-25.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305069231 524316 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-123-237.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305069933 682578 :Gseo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no one noticed that I noticed your mocking < 1305069938 810363 :Gseo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1305070026 934111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't mocking, it was a perfect imitation < 1305070386 733278 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-123-237.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305070435 541364 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-28-88.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305070818 753364 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-28-88.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305070914 565637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305071165 730291 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-21-107.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305071616 751780 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-21-107.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305072416 428536 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305072495 480959 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305073657 475260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305073689 910247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is whoever wrote the PHP article a registered user or not? (If so, it can be moved to userspace since it definitely does not fit in the main namespace) < 1305073700 326562 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1305073709 201928 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to be AJF. < 1305073741 585322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, move the [[PHP]] article to [[User:AJF/PHP]] and remove links from the language list and joke language list (and all other lists); keep it in userspace only < 1305073754 725213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is already deleted. < 1305073805 715187 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is deleted. However: (deleted "PHP": hmm, delete; what's suggested here is hardly esoteric compared to actual esolangs. (PHP has some bizarre features, but these are not them.) I'll give a copy of the page/history on request.) < 1305073808 743888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants Impractical Common Lisp < 1305073830 174147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, if ajf really wants that, he can ask < 1305073855 705999 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, I think you are correct about that. It makes sense that he can ask since it is his user page. < 1305073890 696448 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-33-238.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305073932 439944 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-128-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305073984 436678 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some equations having to do with D&D this is one: $$\max\left(\left\lfloor{8\over n}\left((e+4)^2-c^2\right)\right\rfloor,1\right)+\min(a,2e)^2$$ < 1305074036 569620 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305074070 759836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed something in anarchy golf that seems to have changed, KEY? no longer works, it seems. I wrote a code to fix it, and I will post the code on #anagol channel as well < 1305074224 898179 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will post it here too since that channel is not logged. < 1305074233 375672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VARIABLE LAST-KEY : #KEY KEY ; : #KEY? KEY? ; : KEY #KEY LAST-KEY DUP @ -ROT ! ; : KEY? LAST-KEY @ 4 <> ; KEY DROP < 1305074238 604192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls in love with setf. < 1305074255 782852 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is that? < 1305074259 950331 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1305074291 867912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Common Lisp's assignment macro. The way it can be used, though.. you can specify a form that refers to a place, and ... best to use an example, I think < 1305074303 682907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, make example please < 1305074313 571061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have an array a. (aref a 0) gets whatever's in 0, like a[0] in C. < 1305074324 836175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setf (aref a 0) 5) will set it to 5. < 1305074337 155246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can define how setf works for your own functions. < 1305074419 169503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of schemes have that. < 1305074841 359681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Racket does? And also as far as I can tell, Racket lacks nice um.. I think hot-swapping may be the wrong word. < 1305074848 507036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Schemes have both? < 1305075039 153349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1305075047 599824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was asking elliott < 1305075060 230727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe elliott doesn't know either because they didn't answer. < 1305075103 569367 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know very good at Lisp and Scheme. < 1305075116 910079 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there example to define how setf works for your own functions? < 1305075117 766144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has hot swapping got to do with this and how does common lisp have this < 1305075126 971421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in which ways aren't you a fucking idiot about this stuff < 1305075130 980872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did say that hot swapping may be the wrong term < 1305075156 833363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was about to say it's more likely that elliott's fuming at me.. < 1305075197 956746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can compile and load files and they load into a running environment < 1305075210 318724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1305075216 846286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dollar] python < 1305075218 481044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> import foo < 1305075221 426734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dollar] mzscheme < 1305075225 496449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (load "blah.scm") < 1305075226 234374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `load' < 1305075231 370080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dollar] any-fucking-thing < 1305075255 142213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits elliott with a trivial and not actually a good response counter-gcc < 1305075293 758994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic is common lisp vs. schemes < 1305075306 705836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me one fucking scheme where you can't load files into an environment by passing them as an argument to load < 1305075355 813941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking Racket's IDE, tb perfectly h < 1305075378 133079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And please don't yell at me now that I see how wrong that is < 1305075387 622519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the ide that has a repl < 1305075414 25278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bit for editing a file, and the REPL _restarts_ when you click Run < 1305075421 529761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hmm < 1305075424 190454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check that < 1305075427 493307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1305075428 862920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could < 1305075430 864024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type (load "x") < 1305075433 91732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Into the REPL < 1305075435 218459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a possibility < 1305075538 345613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, IDE restarts the REPL < 1305075558 793640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks about it in #racket < 1305075590 389281 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1305076934 525407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually understand CL macros! Kind of < 1305076951 513269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is vaguely aware of some unhygienicness thing with CL < 1305077293 233522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp macros are unhygienic, the end < 1305077298 151055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy five thousand gensyms < 1305077458 508860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone type an exclamation mark < 1305077469 391256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1305077491 632361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that that was an exclamation mark for emphasis, not to ignore me < 1305077518 374223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for < 1305077519 116792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1305077519 281192 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1305077522 666796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305077526 315507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1305077579 365531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there strange characters on the EgoBot help file? < 1305077912 243592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaaha < 1305077913 543607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it < 1305077914 818136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1305077965 655168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305078075 580201 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's zzo. < 1305078108 256770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Racket doesn't support changing definitions during a long-running program, generally" < 1305078112 43252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just wait for the oerjan >:) < 1305078123 721446 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My response to oerjan is "Too bad. Welcome to 2011" < 1305078124 131234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or, any irssi user < 1305078126 859422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or, any irssi user < 1305078150 813300 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My response to any irssi user using irssi without Unicode support (really? It has none? At all? Even if you're in a Unicode-capable terminal?) is "Too bad. Welcome to 2011" < 1305078166 815942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I VERY MUCH DOUBT terminals show that character as invisible. < 1305078170 360421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lump in all WeeChat users too. < 1305078197 102398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also rawirc < 1305078237 544101 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may show it as a space instead of a zero-width space. < 1305078239 517933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning not to see the parentheses! < 1305078240 365820 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's no big deal. < 1305078300 351020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait, if all you want to do is to prevent people sending DCCs... < 1305078301 910095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just do < 1305078313 552896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (text[0] == '\[one]') {send("lolno"); return;} < 1305078316 163723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And avoid all this mess X_X < 1305078317 856583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, CTCPs. < 1305078324 92139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you obviously don't care about mid-line CTCPs. < 1305078328 33209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work perfectly :P < 1305078340 897864 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ZWS at the beginning is unrelated to preventing CTCPs. < 1305078349 740182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it for, then? < 1305078352 941754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Botloops are practically impossible now. < 1305078354 667673 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing botloops. < 1305078357 433387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only ones you can do involve lambdabot. < 1305078360 213268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we've already done that to death. < 1305078361 572433 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until somebody brings in a new bot. < 1305078371 258019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are so boring X_X < 1305078373 681006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Botloops are awesome. < 1305078412 758031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if it's unrelated, how come you said that's what the actual goal was? < 1305078425 641968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you also filter out first-character-ones even with the ZWS despite that being pointless. < 1305078452 481729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of "!argh_ignore_the_next_line" seems nicer than making things screwy for copy-pasters everywhere (imagine `addquote) and even moreso for all terminal users, though :P < 1305078793 798125 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... irssi has no Unicode support? < 1305078797 723905 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :News to me. < 1305078815 762368 :rev!~rev@178.73.216.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305078820 315043 :rev!~rev@178.73.216.196 PART :#esoteric < 1305078822 726868 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :……irssiはユニコード出来ない? < 1305078841 180188 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :僕に新しい。 < 1305078989 507421 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1305078991 896053 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1305078992 250185 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1305079002 403396 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, no strange chars. < 1305079135 637514 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305079283 276657 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305079321 765599 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305079321 842544 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1305079321 842680 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1305079531 175603 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305080027 722475 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305080758 209883 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305083014 562546 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It starts with a zero-width space. < 1305083957 974229 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305084166 536369 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And I see no space there. < 1305084170 272080 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In irssi. < 1305084189 450364 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then congrats, your irssi is not made of fail :P < 1305084298 272657 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very hard to get myself to study for the test tomorrow. < 1305087064 727756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is my circadian rhythm so fail < 1305087335 163766 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is the test on? < 1305087345 603832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :studying < 1305087464 306321 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear algebra. < 1305087898 433793 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305087988 210500 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305088109 73800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep-wake_syndrome CONFIRM/DENY < 1305088119 657901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously the reaction to having a broken circadian rhythm is to click every link on wikipedia recursively) < 1305088140 628257 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-55.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305088430 329905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp is starting to remind me of a criticism of PHP... inconsistently named functions, sometimes arguments are in a weird order < 1305088478 389207 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have far different criticism of PHP < 1305088480 922671 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :than that < 1305088569 935437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1305088631 46573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp has functions with inconsistent argument order? < 1305088634 778282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names are a bit archaic, but < 1305088652 783117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: check < 1305088696 658540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By an accident of history, the order of arguments to GETHASH is the opposite of ELT--ELT takes the collection first and then the index while GETHASH takes the key first and then the collection." < 1305088749 161471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, i cannot confirm that mine is physiological < 1305088845 407127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305089191 955935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why oh why is QI not on US TV? < 1305089253 223959 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305089274 405116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo ok now what _is_ this broken solution elliott keeps speaking about < 1305089275 540396 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ok now what _is_ this broken solution elliott keeps speaking about < 1305089289 518089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees nothing out of the ordinary < 1305089336 558466 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's a zero-width space at the start of the line. < 1305089348 607960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic (not) < 1305089366 637642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it actually works for you? :) < 1305089373 400149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't for zzo38 ;) < 1305089378 184593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it messes up copy-pasting for everyone) < 1305089380 558602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1305089381 387445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why oh why is QI not on US TV? < 1305089391 49 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :injustice and the two-party system < 1305089400 87837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus rampant crime and institutionalised racism < 1305089424 747762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer it will display the character overlapping the colon for start of message < 1305089447 689601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Just pirate it, it's OK, I'm British, I'll talk to Stephen Fry and explain the situation, and he'll forgive you. < 1305089465 281049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm merely lamenting is all. < 1305089466 608938 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if it is doesn't, the other problems that you have described are still there. < 1305089518 477232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should just replace all TV with Stephen Fry talking. < 1305089527 175524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit homestuck it's been six days UPDATE < 1305089533 877918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes. < 1305089566 999172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh, the latest IWC annotation scared me into thinking DMM was about to go on a prescriptivist rant < 1305089570 565162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHOULD KNOW BETTER < 1305089724 2140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you were literally panicking < 1305089868 663366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1305090004 414917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the log the reason for ZWS but another solution might be to add CTRL+O at the start? Will it work? < 1305090024 387391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some IRC client might strip that from the display regardless of unicode, I think. < 1305090037 822966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1305090107 552981 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hm... < 1305090107 834163 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hm.... < 1305090127 137739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was a ^O in that when i wrote it) < 1305090145 81157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it replaced with a period < 1305090153 952820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1305090168 178978 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it actually got through < 1305090228 613789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1305090233 638321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1305090233 896477 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi < 1305090235 108373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305090240 189899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305090242 91960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes my text black < 1305090243 354602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good < 1305090276 379618 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing CTRL+B twice would also work except that the channel mode tells it to strip some control characters (including CTRL+B) < 1305090295 774541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is QI, who is Stephen Fry, what is IWC annotation, and so on? < 1305090319 64361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QI is an excellent television show starring Stephen Fry who is an English national treasure and also the next Monarch (note: statement is false). < 1305090327 328118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IWC is Irregular Webcomic[exclamation mark], it is this thing < 1305090332 397026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1305090335 280264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only the last word of it < 1305090376 38069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true < 1305090390 776220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys in ten days when all the christians die what do we do :( < 1305090425 419895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we should have a small wake < 1305090438 263863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1305090450 792860 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305090452 569728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a bit heartless < 1305090477 903650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn this rapture shit < 1305090478 67766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't anything *to* do, therefore nothing. < 1305090481 931399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too much for me :( < 1305090491 102049 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing to do would be to figure out why it happen and prevent it. < 1305090495 532138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the US might need a new President. < 1305090498 108084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, population. < 1305090507 988853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why it's going to happen is because it's the rapture, duh < 1305090511 28111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you proposing we stop god? < 1305090558 18365 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I propose you stop in your own way. Such as, will stop being Christian work if you would rather not be dead? And anyone who does want to be dead (or to test it to see if this statement is in fact wrong) to become Christian instead. < 1305090597 144647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean if christians want to avoid going up to heaven < 1305090604 216934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should become atheists and stop believing in the rapture < 1305090605 702823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid the rapture < 1305090606 587892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1305090638 329333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Hugh Laurie released an album < 1305090645 611509 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I mean, in order to test the rapture! < 1305090662 667231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for zzo38: hugh laurie is this british person who pretends to be an american on television a lot) < 1305090669 181619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do you think there is a rapture in ten days? < 1305090707 380704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.google.com/search?q=rapture+may+twentyfirst < 1305090710 30645 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear he pretends to be a doctor. isn't that illegal? < 1305090711 798516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305090714 585134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.google.com/search?q=rapture+may+21st < 1305090719 586694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, probably < 1305090738 944126 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305090741 73322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wecanknow.com/ < 1305090743 131826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is obviously true < 1305090760 249473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's going to be really awesome when satan brings temporary peace < 1305090763 775172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to this world < 1305090778 462743 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1305090845 625482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was Clinton, of course. < 1305090847 309331 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305090889 220993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the rapture hasnt happened yet < 1305091028 60901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the rapture _has_ happened, but the number of real, honest christians is so small that no one noticed < 1305091028 503817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you cannot know. Yes it is possible for the bad things to happen, such as global warming, global thermonuclear war, and all sorts of other things; that doesn't mean it happens in ten days from now, nor can you take it literally what it says in Bible because they were simply warning you (in general, not about any of the things that occur now because they wouldn't have known when they wrote it). < 1305091048 418312 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe even the magnetic pole changes, who knows..... < 1305091053 425742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're very weird zzo38 < 1305091065 543825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just chucked into the unsolved disappearance statistics < 1305091067 583541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I believe you. < 1305091128 38820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then god got so depressed by the low turnout he cancelled the rest of the apocalypse < 1305091159 824242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg wait atlas shrugged it out already < 1305091164 80730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1305091169 831297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant wait to go waste my time laughing < 1305091246 608478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant atlas shrugged out the apocalypse. would be just like him, you know. < 1305091641 25382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the twenty-first is when sburb gets released... < 1305091667 754141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would do numerology on five/twenty-three/eleven, but without number keys that seems like way too much of a pain also i'm lazy < 1305091774 270816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe on May 21st, all the non-believers are lifted into atheist heaven. < 1305091845 124127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about muslins < 1305091851 325775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL FABRICS SURVIVE < 1305091884 401082 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe on may 21st, _all_ religions and life views become literally true, by the world splitting into hundreds of parallel worlds so everyone thinks most of the others have disappeared < 1305091909 985102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the one I'm in will keep on going? < 1305091939 25157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I don't think that can happen < 1305091942 48291 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you will have some job developing a scientific explanation why all religious people disappeared < 1305091959 95361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that can perfectly well happen it's just exceedingly improbable... < 1305091966 197299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worlds are usually referred to as meaning just universes < 1305091971 32439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, no, no, I am presuming I'd be in the universe wherein no religious people disappeared. < 1305091972 842207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not supernatural if it's in the universe < 1305092000 513648 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ok we shall need a good source of philosophical zombies, then < 1305092004 27526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, that makes less sense after typing it out. < 1305092046 776922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't swear < 1305092071 757808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck off, you bastard. < 1305092089 36989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1305092095 447606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was referring to "philosophical zombies" < 1305092109 218539 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to "don't swear" devoid of context. < 1305092121 420640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1305092123 715224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the idea of swearing at someone saying that amuses me. < 1305092128 475789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like your mother. < 1305092144 806995 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean that everyone who is not your religion is philosophical zombies? < 1305092163 292915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that nobody knows if this is the exact date or only approximate? < 1305092171 713284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PHILOSOPHICAL ZOMBIES < 1305092179 708734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no if your religion _does_ support people disappearing miraculously, then philosophical zombies will not be necessary < 1305092187 728907 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about Zombie Socrates? < 1305092200 912003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK only him. < 1305092210 740213 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention Zombie Kierkegaard and Zombie Kant? < 1305092215 114909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But what if it doesn't? And what if your religion is a different date? < 1305092218 818607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie kant is a huge kant < 1305092240 107030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, re: "exact date or only approximate", how can we be sure someone didn't miscount a day or so in the middle ages >:) < 1305092242 269734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right the date might be a bit tricky < 1305092281 564433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wouldn't trust that Gregor fellow to get the calendar right, you know < 1305092284 269194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Astronomical records with dates. < 1305092288 131822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he can't smell < 1305092294 415337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: WHAT IF.......... ASTRONOMY IS LIE? < 1305092298 506742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSWER NOW ATHEIST < 1305092299 37553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, he's a dead pope < 1305092299 134476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> < 1305092317 232135 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if everything outside of your mind is a lie? < 1305092322 108523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for long enough that he's stopped smelling, i think < 1305092322 612678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Answer now, non-solipsist! < 1305092359 255506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: WHAT IF.... < 1305092361 384473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIVERSE IS LIE???? < 1305092369 172362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN NIHLIST FEDERATON < 1305092375 122326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLUB AT SCHOOL IN ROOM < 1305092392 959958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your mind itself is the lie? < 1305092395 196217 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what practical difference there is between nihilism and solipsism < 1305092402 741034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: COGITO ERGO SVM < 1305092404 103071 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot to book the room but no matter since it doesn't exist anyway < 1305092429 897939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solipsism means something, nihilism doesn't :) < 1305092449 159521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is philosophy if considering only yourself is lie and everything else does exists? < 1305092465 337529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's called "bullshit". < 1305092485 894737 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solipsism by proxy... < 1305092486 743108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING EXISTS < 1305092490 546546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RESPOND NOW BITCHONS < 1305092502 653486 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the very act of thinking, you can be sure that your own mind exists. < 1305092505 697427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll say for the hundredth time: solipsist missionaries is the best idea ever :D < 1305092515 95608 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305092526 709679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But your thoughts are nothing except hallucination! < 1305092561 957470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK < 1305092567 584673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: PORK PORK PORK < 1305092568 754653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK < 1305092570 99361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK PORK < 1305092573 428239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK PORK PORK PORK PORK PORK PORK < 1305092574 98085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK < 1305092576 725031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... Wut? < 1305092583 38868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: PORK < 1305092614 75168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can only be sure of those phenomena which are identical to their own illusion, which however includes many experiences < 1305092628 993827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say < 1305092629 424903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> pikhq_: But your thoughts are nothing except hallucination! < 1305092630 225857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amused me :D < 1305092641 584809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your hallucinations are all in your mind! And your mind is a hallucination!" < 1305092651 95161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the _causes_ of those experiences, but the experiences themselves) < 1305092687 433996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is why cogito ergo sum is some approximation to valid < 1305092723 776276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cogito ergo sum is impressive in being one of the few things that just about everyone can agree with :) < 1305092750 962025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the original surroundings of that statement, not so much) < 1305092781 367101 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The statement *itself* ends up being the only thing that is really certain. So of course almost everyone agrees. :P < 1305092811 921190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else is subject to fallible observation. < 1305092828 793339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that you cannot be sure that your thoughts are actually logical, you could just be imagining it < 1305092841 621096 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305092854 866194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least you have them < 1305092880 652041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "ergo" part is probably the most controversial of that :) < 1305092886 452391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: rejecting logic itself) < 1305092899 421310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, some asswipes will refuse to give "exists" a definition, but they're asswipes < 1305093005 116389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1305093007 167043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my back < 1305093404 212221 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305093532 842675 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any spanish speakers? :D < 1305093548 323629 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or french speakers < 1305093549 363550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :several hundred millions, i think < 1305093561 544050 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305093584 66403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if ##linguistics exists :P < 1305093593 604974 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're all lame < 1305093655 348930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're not < 1305093657 761944 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Afraid you're mostly finding Germanic speakers in here. < 1305093672 741747 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1305093677 446103 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian is good too tho! < 1305093679 19142 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or danish < 1305093692 989313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1305093724 809031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: troll him < 1305093731 32786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he asks you how you pronounce something just lie < 1305093733 771500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be great < 1305093737 502432 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dont need pronunciation < 1305093740 364166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork. < 1305093741 486025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever < 1305093745 679525 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: thats swedish < 1305093752 356140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . 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(-102) . . 109.230.217.91 (Talk) (, http://theteresapalmerbikiniwve.tumblr.com teresa palmer bikini, 304793, http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZODZ7R4ZGQDA5CALTMKHXB4HJI/blog/articles/281424 emily procter naked, >:-)), http://jessicabielsexsc) < 1305093754 91635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:-) < 1305093759 717231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVIL SPAMBOT < 1305093761 802740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Børk børk børk < 1305093763 198784 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better? < 1305093765 926957 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305093983 184935 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to invent notation for cricket matches, and it is very complicated. < 1305094032 683950 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's cricket. < 1305094122 692230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many fielding positions, extras, way to be out (lose a wicket), hit ball, bounce, scores, etc that you need different styles of type and accent mark, telling which player it is, and a lot of stuff, requiring accent mark, superscript, subscript, etc < 1305094133 919286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: seier du det < 1305094168 286978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: gutten tag < 1305094194 317321 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: guten tag! < 1305094219 428048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: du ein lich fäthras < 1305094223 450486 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Snow showers before 9am, then rain showers between 9am and noon, then snow showers after noon. Some thunder is also possible." Forecast for tomorrow. < 1305094227 475184 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan you're swedish, right? < 1305094231 870660 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU, COLORADO < 1305094235 790361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan you're swedish, right? < 1305094238 607180 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​404) oerjan you're swedish, right? < 1305094240 155929 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1305094244 953235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nei eg er norsk < 1305094250 961827 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1305094253 474569 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont remember who's who < 1305094261 77939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: verk immein Steinlichernbburgen < 1305094262 67774 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Ørjan Johansen is pretty clearly not Swedish. < 1305094269 184301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: volkgräd < 1305094279 987459 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Örjan Johansson would pretty clearly have been < 1305094307 170568 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian boys are hot, btw < 1305094308 835688 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin < 1305094312 114184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305094313 179227 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh, augur, how dare you not remember every detail of everyone's lives in here! :P < 1305094314 400899 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whats your opinion on SATW < 1305094322 674292 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: because you're not all oklopol < 1305094333 327116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have an opinion if i knew what it was, although probably not < 1305094344 329176 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavia and the World < 1305094345 830200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just sitting here laughing :)))))))))) < 1305094346 219966 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a web comic < 1305094371 590084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no opinion there < 1305094395 151552 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the rest of the world _might_ suck even worse. maybe. < 1305094429 946304 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1305094434 855366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1305094450 212045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel, btw. this channel. < 1305094454 199917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1305094470 58269 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those guys < 1305094568 66184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT HOMESTUCK UPDATE < 1305094568 859276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that last one was a bit amusing < 1305094972 660698 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which last one < 1305094984 787300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the last one < 1305095001 799015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the first one i looked at) < 1305095014 254963 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305095018 243647 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about weirdo icelanders < 1305095029 110945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been reddit links before, naturally < 1305095291 574588 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this dream that i was a bald cop < 1305095380 652123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are < 1305095399 761032 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last night i had a dream where i cuddled with this older lady and then in the morning her husband was pretty mad and took out a gun and then she numbed herself with some sort of injection and stuck a huge pipe in her mouth and drank water through it until she became a human size water bottle and exploded, destroying everything in sight < 1305095402 942171 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305095422 343985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let that be a lesson for you < 1305095425 409976 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305095455 615844 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she became an actual water bottle) < 1305095530 848634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i woke up and turned out i had been sleep destroying my apartment, everything was broken and scattered all over and the door was open and i couldn't close it and then i woke up again < 1305095553 209888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol can you turn your dreams into a film < 1305095558 563415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would be the best film < 1305095615 2802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make a book < 1305095627 646328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305095629 239829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :film < 1305095649 249496 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can make film. < 1305095668 965108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have some book making hopes and dreams, but the book would not be about my hopes/dreams < 1305095671 272987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for my dreams, it is strange often is the case it cannot be made proper film, you need book (at least at first) < 1305095699 963717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many times out of ten would you say you fail to make the film and have to write a book instead? < 1305095721 21024 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://satwcomic.com/how-to-keep-friends < 1305095723 613556 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! :D < 1305095727 658286 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so finish < 1305095728 424190 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeeeeeeeee! < 1305095740 257291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so start < 1305095748 102766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Five < 1305095759 247029 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe six. < 1305095791 278233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally finished < 1305095820 688765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's satw < 1305095827 676230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I have never made the film or the book of it, so not entirely sure < 1305095871 389749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was trying to ask about the actual films and books you've made but apparently i failed < 1305095888 241546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should've used past tense < 1305095934 383931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was walking outside and suddenly this guy grabs my hand and yells "SODOM" < 1305096006 849687 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of things about my dreams I failed to remember by now, unfortunately; but I did write down and type some of these things. < 1305096008 573743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i said let me give that some thought and his girlfriend found it very funny and then i bought this "learn the alphabet" game and it was a bit silly given that it was completely deterministic < 1305096090 358333 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: forgetting dreams is a sign of alzheimer's < 1305096109 669390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also racism < 1305096122 775317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and small penius < 1305096458 708139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305097881 345234 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey nice, elliott's been trolling me again < 1305097885 494802 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cute < 1305097899 288653 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really admire the fact i'm such a kiln of emotion for him < 1305097996 279988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a kil'n < 1305098089 217354 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he cares so much about me that at this rate anyone would start wondering if he's secretly in love with me or something < 1305098099 594545 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe subconsciously? :D < 1305098125 329295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's _i_ who keep getting marriage proposals from him < 1305098146 367626 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305098148 725528 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you know, every girl needs a husband and a *lover* < 1305098172 790736 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to take care of the kids, the other to really put some heat in the love-life < 1305098188 45245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're good at the heat thing it seems < 1305098200 684298 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :our theories converge < 1305098209 777981 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared to go on. < 1305098219 151754 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might uncover something we couldn't fathom. < 1305098244 63902 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, ready? < 1305098257 157777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely not < 1305098262 684733 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, so what was your german language problemo? < 1305098305 14644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: i think he pretty much excluded german < 1305098318 100591 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: i got some german data :) < 1305098319 845184 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you tho! < 1305098354 255874 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1305098421 430420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305098424 3184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1305098444 639588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window < 1305098753 81417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has too many window < 1305098753 248529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1305099195 526946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To tell you why you cannot make a filmn of this dreams: Can a blank paper have words written on it (such as that is visible, not invisible ink or anything like that) but still remain blank at the same time? < 1305099299 464431 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to be flying and not flying both at the same time? < 1305099474 670012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreams are sometimes not first person < 1305099492 142789 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305099492 296482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And someone once told me they had a dream that ended in credits < 1305099496 853583 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305099500 40113 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing < 1305099503 740111 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can make a film ending in credits, too. But not these other things too < 1305099509 584827 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I had a dream in second person < 1305099512 334219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1305099533 985511 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a few where the person changed a bunch < 1305099534 353271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I have too but I remember no other details < 1305099599 353201 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like self-contradictory dreams. good stuff. < 1305099644 15495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's vortex math < 1305099650 452093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me he had a dream where the doctor asked him if he had ever been to the moon. He had never been to the moon. The doctor then asked him to prove it, and that the doctor could not help him if he could never prove that he has not been to the moon. < 1305099666 448819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I have also self-contradictory dreams (often at least part of it is as such) < 1305099733 884951 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1305099758 825236 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh as in in my memory < 1305099771 892300 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not original or anything < 1305099849 843006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1305099853 141823 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​405) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1305099909 380299 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one dream I had once there was a small hole in the floor that was appear and disappear rapidly, too small for anyone to fall into but we are still careful not to fall in the hole because apparently you can fall into the hole anyways < 1305100058 92979 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had another where I ran around the world (which is concave by the way) a few times, but then it started storming while I was at a beach, so I went into this tall blue building that had an elevator with a phone in it, and as I was taking the elevator, my parents called me and tried to convince me I was on drugs. < 1305100098 805909 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another dream, we tried to fill the water container in fridge, when it was closed and open again, now there is orange pieces in it. That is no good; discard it and fill the water again. Now close, open and now there is no water, just bread. < 1305100132 123004 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean something < 1305100330 900135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means bread < 1305100341 6572 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I had dream I tried to turn off the calculator, but it turns back on by itself in a few seconds or in a few minutes. < 1305100387 686508 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dream where I have a tradition of watching a bootleg garfield vhs where if I play it at midnight it's actually a recording of a television playing a garfield puppet show about human anatomy < 1305100508 992068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1305100649 652323 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had a dream where people weren't making things up < 1305100700 279097 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever had that dream. < 1305100728 3804 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's very visibly extreme make-believe < 1305100741 21809 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When dreaming, not only memory, but the very logic is differently............!?......... < 1305100763 441199 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wrote in an article once you can't read in your dreams < 1305100776 209060 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that part of the brain isn't active < 1305100785 658169 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading a newspaper in a dream though < 1305100791 56904 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously it's incorrect < 1305100795 447523 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you were only pretending to read < 1305100809 482440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually you cannot read in dreams, sometimes it is possible. But also sometimes it is faked because it is not even what it is! < 1305100815 593853 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or magically interpreted the newspaper < 1305100834 502442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you cannot actually read (or other things), because it is dream and they are not real papers, real words, etc < 1305100841 841670 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lots of stuff is faked in my dreams :( < 1305100888 365961 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one of my dreams there was a telephone and when I tried calling on it, it was actually irc < 1305100974 232856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1305100975 830916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello irc" < 1305100978 429540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is monqy" < 1305100983 108343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :< "please hold the line" < 1305101164 617605 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream where we were going to play Dungeons and Dragons and we had radio machines and stuff for Dungeons and Dragons. There was different sections in different chapters, a compartment to put audio tapes in, a radio transmitter, a few rooms for puzzlement and some boxes on the bottom to keep creature types in. < 1305101193 123331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unable to figure out why it didn't work. And then I realized that it needed electricity to keep the creature types in the boxes, so I put batteries in and then the machine(s) worked. It also had to be connected to a VCR, but the only reason for the VCR was to indicate the amplitudes. The VCR was connected to a TV. The TV had no use, neither did the audio tape compartments. < 1305101515 86519 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEB75.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305101594 472761 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF957.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305102009 25227 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1305102134 678089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: See you < 1305103397 872992 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1305105086 41516 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305105474 507476 :nooga!nooga@156.17.4.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305106261 259410 :nooga!nooga@156.17.4.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305113617 791687 :liljat!~lilja@213.55.76.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305114203 500233 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305114945 457006 :Slush-!~Slush-@s83-177-28-44.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305117453 498674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305117772 950839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi tarski < 1305117879 106622 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305117891 130248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1305117892 750358 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1305119653 492133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305120066 310486 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305120236 259869 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305120897 861354 :lilja1!~lilja@213.55.76.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305120976 155174 :liljat!~lilja@213.55.76.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1305121127 652915 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-228-76.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1305121131 518799 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-228-76.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Changing host < 1305121131 595440 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305123799 178049 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305123862 222101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1305123867 216505 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305123915 497651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305123936 548128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the lambdahaps my friends. < 1305123936 665072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1305124281 661364 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup Phantom_Hoover :3 < 1305124394 208044 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover lol we ♥ leaving you messages < 1305124394 324375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1305124459 304973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I cleared my MemoServ inbox, you idiot, < 1305124459 381892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1305124482 72019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott s/,$/./ < 1305124482 149050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1305124808 341795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, my wireless router turns itself back on after I try to turn it off sometime < 1305124809 365519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1305124897 906004 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: make sure not to equip it with a robot body of superhuman abilities. it might be the beginnings of skynet. < 1305124961 92266 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot I'll bet you have craploads of unread messages to yourself. < 1305124961 169061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1305124965 767828 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1305125542 179673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1305126411 818308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305126996 58729 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305127250 374290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305127308 75686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305127381 854846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you might want to check out Special:New pages, there are a number of undeleted spam creations, especially in the User: and User Talk: namespaces < 1305127415 798020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1305127417 569970 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly there seems to be no way to list all namespaces simultaneously there < 1305127435 451380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Sodium-3D.png < 1305127435 528438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1305127436 927269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1305127462 638409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that we missed during the recent spam attack? < 1305127493 455777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1305127569 538879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: iirc most are in the first few namespaces but i _think_ i saw one in Category Talk: < 1305127752 740741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: got all of them, I think < 1305127758 136365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was indeed one in category talk < 1305127825 799911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems the source code for a common malware/trojan suite leaked < 1305127834 68266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of people downloaded it and their virus scanners detected it as what it actually was < 1305127846 560343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what the moral of the story is < 1305127856 387301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1305128024 835703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so did you find a way to block the spam or did it just stop by itself? < 1305128090 62499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I emailed graue, and suggested he added a CAPTCHA for all anon edits < 1305128097 719961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard a response, but the spam stopped soon after < 1305128101 843607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there wasn't already? ok. < 1305128102 930921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been a coincidence, though < 1305128123 900744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a CAPTCHA on edits that added external links before, which kept out the majority of confused spambots < 1305128130 560290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305128137 509596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just lead to a flood of moronic spambots that didn't even spam links < 1305128162 722744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they spam links just in a field we cannot see... < 1305128188 976584 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, maybe it would be an idea to block any edit which fills in an unknown field < 1305128257 415050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't implement that myself, though, I don't have the sort of access rights required < 1305128277 593425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I can really do is the basic admin actions, protect/delete/block < 1305128278 201158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305128319 472036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and editing permanently protected pages < 1305128361 569679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which we don't have many of, but there are some that hold things like the names of the tabs at the top of the pages < 1305128366 850045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other such things that shouldn't be widely editable < 1305128498 846465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabotch What about craploads of messages to slightly mistyped nicks, then? < 1305128498 923422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1305128502 549243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ < 1305128536 186368 :lilja1!~lilja@213.55.76.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1305128546 773687 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hyuk < 1305128552 734232 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lambdabotch" = lols < 1305128921 775490 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305131106 609889 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305131145 805633 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant or Vorpal around? I haz a Mycology question < 1305131145 882579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1305131176 28089 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less < 1305131210 817508 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Deewiant. < 1305131215 513751 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yello < 1305131226 841020 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me any insight into what this message is the result of: "u with a positive argument gives strange storage offset: expected (0,0)"? < 1305131256 256506 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it actually p'ing and g'ing to see if the storage offset has been changed, for example? < 1305131272 454511 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... something else? < 1305131285 234327 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just uses u to fetch the storage offset that { pushed and compares it to (0,0) < 1305131296 664251 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hm. OK. < 1305131329 109431 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's quite possibly indicative of a problem with { rather than u -- that's probably what I was missing. < 1305131332 103348 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1305131359 887323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye, u by itself can't produce the storage offset from nowhere :-) < 1305131473 948892 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right :) < 1305132086 532470 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in fact it does seem like it's u that's broken... < 1305132240 401090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U BRAKE U < 1305132380 519761 :Mannerisk!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305132458 247702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant or Vorpal around? I haz a Mycology question <-- Kind of < 1305132731 107412 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305133001 253692 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Deewiant already answered it :) < 1305133148 400710 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1305133193 585088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yes I saw < 1305133269 415016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp slashes < 1305133269 848871 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter slashes deleted. < 1305133295 285745 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp slashes perl http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/ircslashes.pl < 1305133298 258388 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter slashes installed. < 1305133471 56848 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gedit highlights what it thinks is a syntax error in that script, btw < 1305133477 667986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1305133485 914412 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1305133540 413122 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think gedit is just not smart enough to understand the regexp, upon closer examination < 1305133551 568887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305133552 115201 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 2nd regexp) < 1305133586 659387 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, both of them. it probably doesn't highlight s!!! properly. < 1305133599 918355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305133929 647476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, stupid editor < 1305133937 665992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit generally is I mean < 1305133958 823233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/test.sss < 1305133959 739170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least kate is somewhat better at syntax highlighting, and emacs is of course better still < 1305133960 763274 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* ** *** **** ***** ****** ******* ******** ********* ********** *********** ************ ************* ************** *************** **************** ***************** ****************** ******************* ******************** ********************* ********************** *********************** ************************ ************************* ************************** *************************** **************************** ***************************** < 1305134015 442788 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs' perl-mode isn't very good at all when it comes to complicated pieces of perl; cperl-mode is better, but even that breaks down every now and then. (I don't think it loses much to Vim or such, though.) < 1305134043 488428 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think perl-mode even does included POD comments at all, for example. < 1305134075 113841 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it did do that. < 1305134088 330618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something else didn't, and then it highlighted all keywords inside them. < 1305134100 487841 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is pretty much a challenge to syntax-highlight correctly. < 1305134109 533021 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was that SciTE thing. < 1305134124 101798 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used it because it had a reasonable .pdf syntax-highlighting export thing.) < 1305134132 855265 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use it < 1305134138 659648 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because... no reason < 1305134170 997346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :scite isn't that bad at all if you need something that happens to be installed on the windows computers at university :D < 1305134182 480425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is a severe lack of emacs there) < 1305134188 922200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the version I have here does seem to understand poddery; it even makes headings foldable and all. < 1305134200 788729 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might've been an earlier version though, this was few years back. < 1305134214 768730 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Windows availability was a big part of the reason I started using scite < 1305134358 120968 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I am at a loss for this problem with { and/or u. My own tests seem to indicate they work as expected. < 1305134359 55082 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it's the "foo(< it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1305145584 322325 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF957.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1305145584 404425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scodil says: dcoutts: rad. i'm actually using gtk2hs quite a bit now. its one of those deals where I'm writing prototype software for people who aren't really paying for it, so it will end up being < 1305145584 485714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the production software, so you'll probably be getting emails in 5 years asking "what is haskell and how do I install it?" < 1305145606 302717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1305145606 384926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyeris says: grr... I hate the way every haskell tutorial brags about how easy strings are to use. They are only easy once you drink the koolaid. < 1305145662 409171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1305145662 491041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: do you like turing complete? < 1305145670 562420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These quotes suck. < 1305145688 398217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we move HackEgo's entire database across to these poor unfortunates < 1305145768 758755 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF957.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote sucks < 1305145768 877651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin says: [about learning Haskell compared to other languages] I learned X in Y time, but Z is taking much longer. Z sucks! < 1305146226 646723 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1305146233 183134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with nutjobs and awful website formatting. < 1305146279 645444 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.timecube.com/ < 1305146300 7864 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always good < 1305146356 934335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305146430 391391 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vortex math website is a bit better formatwise < 1305146555 60330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with Reddit and sticking *everything* on imgur? < 1305146561 490820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imgur was made by a redditor < 1305146561 572846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1305146591 233518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a goddamn webpage. Did you know that you can link to those as well as imgur? < 1305146595 75094 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't reddit. should I reddit? < 1305146595 614017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any news on the system spec < 1305146618 793986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No. < 1305146632 48279 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit fornever < 1305146636 154785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've been really busy, sorry. You might want to just go ahead and buy something; you can replace components incrementally, after all, in the long run. < 1305146644 377999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305146698 250748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I guess I will have to, but I actually will be really busy until Sunday (that is: [today,Sunday), that is, a semi-closed interval), so you have some more time. < 1305146835 855834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I was talking about in that 2002 comment < 1305146867 457199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I would search logs for you, but they are not on this system < 1305146876 172470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner wasn't here in 2002. < 1305146893 788069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ​347) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1305146907 194909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was a discussion about something from 2002 < 1305146917 535146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps some software he wrote or something?) < 1305146925 886437 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I have all the logs laying around somewhere < 1305146930 926160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1305146954 56206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:43:26: wtf, my boot loader/os project has a CVS dir that points to a cvsroot with a windows path < 1305146989 70560 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic is from the spambots right? are those things still going? < 1305146996 461853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, CVS. On Windows. < 1305147030 953918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were younger then. < 1305147050 111763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but only by about 9 years. should've known better really < 1305147568 336883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1305147581 950565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1305147592 841749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner wasn't here in 2002. < 1305147593 106655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal quits? < 1305147613 254068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel didn't exist in 2002 beyond fizzie, surely? < 1305147620 96647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it did... and what? < 1305147622 334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie isn't the founder. < 1305147647 237413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just fizzie talking to all the alternate fizzies. < 1305147655 624618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, what's Gregor's old hg log URL? < 1305147660 727133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to clone it to get fizzie's two thousand and two logs. < 1305147740 929993 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305147942 939684 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305149044 212098 :FIXME_nddrylliog!~nddryllio@62-220-135-219.dhcp.fixme.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305149439 105171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305149567 940212 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305149568 103748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305149858 770542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made the mistake of reading the comments thread of a r/worldnews link critical of Israel. < 1305149864 885919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel... besmirched. < 1305149914 193907 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be YOUR smirch. < 1305150006 619683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I'm not even sure about that colony on Mars any more. < 1305150036 326133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more of this and I will lose faith not only in humanity but in all sentient life. < 1305150213 861737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305150214 396877 :16WAAFGFK!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305150247 154032 :16WAAFGFK!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305150337 234750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at Gambit < 1305150367 270306 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1305150431 849219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Schemes don't suck? < 1305150436 887869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not rhetorical < 1305150473 78114 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you write < 1305150496 105293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not feel like writing a Scheme at the present moment < 1305150498 454926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just using one < 1305150544 492346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, but you could impress IT-AT! < 1305150910 462794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no such person < 1305150949 196586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I am sorry who is the Creator Of Star Wars Acronyms For Sgeo's Love Interests here. < 1305150968 702843 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sgeo's Love Interests" is an awfully verbose way of saying "females". < 1305150983 654243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, could you key me in to who "IT-AT" is referring to, then? < 1305151000 295451 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to know all the programs to get a job. < 1305151003 650433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well yes but as near we can tell he's never flirted with his stepmother. < 1305151021 171801 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make a Scheme, it will be bad for her; it'll be YET ANOTHER program she needs to know to get a job! < 1305151026 768463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT A THOUGHT I NEEDED < 1305151027 829226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1305151649 611502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305151925 275952 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Cannot join #esoteric-minecraft (You are banned). < 1305151932 642 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOooooooooOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1305152045 589407 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appeal to PH. < 1305153469 658098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 tests down, 2 to go! < 1305153498 233485 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you fit all those in before the rapture < 1305153519 235689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305153523 118394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1305153532 857654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on the 16th and 17th. < 1305153538 987081 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well before the predicted rapture. < 1305153551 805104 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1305153636 248484 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305153885 945514 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF957.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When is the rapture predicted for? < 1305153956 93492 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305154020 875348 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: Twenty-first. < 1305154038 989848 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's OK, because we have After the Rapture Pet Care. < 1305154059 206296 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose site appears to be sadly down, probably because of Satan. < 1305154128 605881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smiles at Chicken supporting SRFI-17 < 1305154150 188739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a Scheme equivalent to Common Lisp's setf... I think) < 1305154257 811960 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be done in like twenty lines Sgeo :) < 1305154289 515929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't most SRFIs like that? Theoretically supportable in any comforming Scheme? < 1305154297 444183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought SRFIs include code to implement < 1305154301 470737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just wrong? < 1305154321 676211 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, but they don't all do things you can do in pure Scheme. < 1305154332 819773 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider string ports. < 1305154346 15310 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you can't rebind the meaning of SET! in standard Scheme. < 1305154360 19134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or can you. < 1305154363 797883 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah: < 1305154364 217822 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :; Use the LET* syntax scope extension in Twobit to let this SET! macro < 1305154364 351257 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :; reference the old definition of SET! in the second clause. < 1305154365 966580 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-17/srfi-17-twobit.scm < 1305154482 862369 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get Scheme macros < 1305154516 298456 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1305154519 454022 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're trivial < 1305154538 425961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are Common Lisp macros < 1305154556 11139 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1305154561 573289 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme macros are hygienic. < 1305154564 40728 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp macros are not. < 1305154566 369056 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, but I don't know much of Common Lisp or Scheme anyways. < 1305154568 89266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I read about Scheme macros < 1305154582 589248 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So safe usage of Common Lisp macros is very hard, and requires lots of tedious GENSYMing. < 1305154612 660683 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, < 1305154615 539297 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to map set! < 1305154615 620825 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The following article describes how to overload set! so we can do < 1305154615 621016 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (set! (if (< x y) x y) 3.1415) < 1305154615 621116 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We can even evaluate < 1305154615 621216 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (map (lambda (var val) (set! var val)) < 1305154616 26565 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (list x y z) (list 1 2 3)) < 1305154618 10415 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to change the values associated with the variables x, y and z. We can still use set! to mutate ordinary bindings as in (set! u (+ x y)). < 1305154621 96119 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/macros.html#map-set < 1305154629 3614 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you can override SET! portably. < 1305154632 316293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they different from C macros? I think it is, but I don't actually know. < 1305154651 865444 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, they operate on ASTs, rather than tokens. < 1305154663 883410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are ASTs? < 1305154692 123357 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract Syntax Trees. < 1305154720 303822 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the AST of (+ 9 (/ 9 9)) is obtained by providing it as input on an appropriate port after calling the READ procedure. < 1305154744 273207 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a list whose CAR is the interned symbol with the name "+"; and those CDR is a list whose CAR is the number 9, and whose CDR is ... < 1305154817 464013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I looked on Wikipedia the diagram helps, I think, and it also has a description which also describes it < 1305154847 517880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes now I can understand < 1305154867 621266 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fun fact -- quote can be implemented as a macro; it is not a primitive. < 1305154898 299761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1305154906 234149 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in a defmacro style system. http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/quote-as-macro.txt < 1305154908 643996 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about with syntax-rules. < 1305155213 459449 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/setf.txt oleg's scheme setf < 1305155248 87685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pre-SRFI-17 < 1305155283 260650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it works differently... it goes based on the name < 1305155292 734112 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1305156414 330848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305157280 973011 :nddrylliog!~nddryllio@84-74-26-239.dclient.hispeed.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1305157876 964966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1305157971 668408 :nddrylliog!~nddryllio@84-74-26-239.dclient.hispeed.ch PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1305158577 857334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1305158907 328011 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy jesus fuck the Enterprise is fast. < 1305158914 270533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homework time < 1305158916 320296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warp 9 is about 1000c. Or 0.1 lightyears per *hour*. < 1305158918 748138 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm staying here, though < 1305159344 678890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And the Federation is 8,000 lightyears wide. < 1305159356 529776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making travelling across the Federation take 9 years. < 1305159947 72425 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Warp 10 is INFINITE SPEED < 1305159961 43247 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when you go warp 10 you DE-EVOLVE OH NOOOOOSE < 1305160285 205954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you get it on with your captain. < 1305160323 320155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to stop farking around with Fark < 1305160328 152507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually start working < 1305160342 646767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (really?) #f) < 1305160361 307937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun really () nil) < 1305160364 338692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1305160367 929321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun really-p () nil) < 1305160375 899708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it reallyp ? < 1305160406 152494 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err wait < 1305160411 146908 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :De-evolution was a different episode :P < 1305160418 357933 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that notion ALMOST approaches making sense almost. < 1305160421 829921 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You HYPER-EVOLVE < 1305160467 180378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly, the writer's point was that there's no such thing as de-evolution < 1305160468 591290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1305161186 684347 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1305161261 492330 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Err wait < 1305161261 573712 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : De-evolution was a different episode :P < 1305161261 573884 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And that notion ALMOST approaches making sense almost. < 1305161261 573982 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : You HYPER-EVOLVE < 1305161266 787988 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Err, warp ten makes you go all lizard. < 1305161287 684155 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The writer's point is that he should choke on a cock and die. Writing Threshold is unforgivable and warrants torture. < 1305161291 335963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His words should be banned. < 1305161315 173436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He feels remorse for what he's done, doesn't he? < 1305161334 157612 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRRELEVANT < 1305161340 956052 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He must suffer for all eternity. < 1305161347 255463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch it... < 1305161404 266732 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1305161407 311740 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really shouldn't. < 1305161409 803445 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd like it. < 1305161488 258469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Warp 10 also makes you have infinite velocity with finite energy (?), but only go a few fractions of a lightyear away. < 1305161583 474362 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Err, warp ten makes you go all lizard. // yes, but that was by means of hyper-evolution. < 1305161611 971218 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But he could SEE EVERYTHING, and he THOUGHT his way back to Voyager maaaaaaaan *smokes more pot* < 1305161638 583046 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think they invented an Infinite Improbability Drive, myself. < 1305161708 582339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also try PHP, just to give elliott_ an anxiety attack < 1305162175 412792 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have used PHP and made programs in PHP, it isn't very good. You can try if you want to though, see what it is. < 1305162731 586797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I thought zzo38 was a PHP fan. I guess using != liking < 1305163064 10092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1305163080 443874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking up sources to support what I already know, instead of learning from them < 1305163231 75939 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305163240 25925 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps has options for "avoid highways" and "avoid tolls", but no "avoid Chicago" < 1305163265 529748 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Google Maps has options for "avoid highways" and "avoid tolls", but no "avoid Chicago" < 1305163267 248414 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​406) Google Maps has options for "avoid highways" and "avoid tolls", but no "avoid Chicago" < 1305163279 214770 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305163279 551493 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305163279 998625 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305163280 406506 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305163280 763330 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305163280 992489 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​322) just because i'm homosexual doesn't mean i have sex with men. ...i'm also a paedophile [...] see if i'm a gay paedophile i don't have sex with men i have sex with BOYS < 1305163282 528549 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​126) Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making. < 1305163282 925545 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​276) [on Walter Bright] I went to chat with him after his talk at the ELC and he was like "hum, right - humans. How do they work again... oh, hi!" < 1305163283 242823 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​318) gah, who'd have thought removing concurrency from algol could be so difficult < 1305163285 98988 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​141) AnMaster: to any airbus plane. 3 passengers sadly died the most awesome thing ever. < 1305163288 738880 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our quotes sure do suck < 1305163291 408069 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1305163292 337577 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1305163294 370363 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our quotes are the best < 1305163294 894839 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1305164181 950769 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305164395 237403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bites his tongue < 1305164407 48720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to recommend Subversion instead of Mercurial < 1305164417 850927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like a traitor < 1305164452 881636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm writing this paper from the point of view of a hypothetical corporation that has never seen version control before) < 1305164495 101555 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes his mind < 1305164590 138023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel even worse for it being Joel who made me change my mind back towards Mercurial. < 1305165322 297076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if there's freely available autotuning software. According to Wikipedia, "Auto-tune" is a proprietary product :/ < 1305165916 213091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 2 hours to go < 1305167090 772906 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: git git git git. < 1305167099 735621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1305167116 622227 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rather, DCVS DCVS DCVS DCVS. < 1305167123 675224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, swap V and C. < 1305167149 986104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Centralized version control is a fundamentally broken model. < 1305167158 139419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not going to really describe how to take full advantage of D < 1305167166 746669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm unsure of it mysef < 1305167169 116838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself < 1305167317 895632 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you recommend D, anyways? < 1305167330 752555 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless they fixed the stupid. < 1305167369 443921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, the "Distributed" of DVCS < 1305167373 400042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as in the language < 1305167382 699789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1305167397 407724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will there be an E language? < 1305167400 544893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have B, C, D < 1305167404 998557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is already < 1305167406 190442 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn git. < 1305167477 739505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B,C,D,E,J,R < 1305167487 698724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's plenty I'm forgetting. What are they? < 1305167628 469848 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305167800 209355 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-183-217.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305168146 306245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My next few paragraphs will be: Subversion, Git, and Mercurial < 1305168318 767255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit, can't find any sources that give the brief overview that I do < 1305168361 972013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for a glossary < 1305168383 862067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds one < 1305168872 503670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way in heck that I will reach 5 pages. It is simply impossible. < 1305169479 430807 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you're going to kill me. I plan on vaguely being irritated at Git's history modification < 1305169493 494448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any real sources to back up my claim that it's a ticking-off sort of thing < 1305169848 741839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cites gitvsmercurial.com < 1305169879 818300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets the person's name off of whois < 1305169880 744238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1305169939 250573 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question < 1305169958 41935 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for a set of rules describing a turn-based strategy game that is very simple < 1305169960 796913 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe board-game level < 1305169965 121622 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305169972 640714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teru Atlantis? < 1305169982 304188 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that'd be fun, with considerations for basic terrain features somehow and maybe a handful of units, at least one with ranged attacks < 1305169991 670396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF that's not the phrase? < 1305170013 796378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "Terra Atlantis"? < 1305170055 567107 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talkin to me? < 1305170078 439762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just commenting on TeruFSX's name < 1305170088 429034 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o right < 1305170093 419590 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name < 1305170101 927000 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really want me to explain my name < 1305170562 281306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1305171319 905062 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1305171328 416896 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is technically possible for a child to have 5 parents. < 1305171340 406637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How? < 1305171366 629252 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biological father, biological mother, surrogate mother, adoptive father, adoptive mother. < 1305171425 562184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider only their biological parents their real parents, but I guess what you said is possible. How many times have you found anything like this? < 1305171433 305380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 2 and 1/4 pages < 1305171435 33236 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed 5 < 1305171468 787974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about multiple adoptive parents? < 1305171474 529499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I have 10 sources. < 1305171532 353448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305171544 434983 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, let's go further — polygamous parents. < 1305171580 96560 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is technically possible for a child to have as many parents as there are humans capable of entering into a marriage. < 1305171690 19477 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely polyamorous counts too < 1305171700 752950 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless two people who have a kid outside of marriage aren't parents < 1305171721 377724 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I wouldn't say that all polyamorous configurations would lead to everyone being a parent... < 1305171733 974185 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's obvious i guess < 1305171774 931284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 pages of bullshit < 1305171778 28085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 10 sources < 1305171788 229140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way would I be able to write 5 pages, I think. < 1305171813 190050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe namedrop some more VCSes? < 1305171819 179933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual SourceCrap < 1305171833 269747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Don't call "crap" things I have a limited awareness of) < 1305171876 293367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual SourceSafe is definitely crap. < 1305171881 562716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is incapable of multi-user use. < 1305171905 869767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear EasyBib: Now is NOT a good time to stop working < 1305171944 782338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need to write this report for? < 1305171989 394291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Management Information Systems < 1305171993 366321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the topic is from the spambots right? are those things still going? < 1305172005 680015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a term project. I started it today. It's due in 12 minutes. < 1305172020 349130 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it seems that tightening captchas fixed it (before it only was for anonymous edits with links in) < 1305172082 427882 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought *I* was a procrastinator. < 1305172144 65532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't write anymore < 1305172150 835117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm handing it in as is < 1305172270 233863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No! Make it double-spaced! < 1305172275 473476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it is < 1305172299 589490 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make narrow margins! < 1305172326 453034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way it will fill 5 pages. < 1305172337 13476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to make sure TurnItIn doesn't think I'm a plagiarist < 1305172355 889837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it check? < 1305172359 442618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1305172371 282546 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't use their service. < 1305172385 594363 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo needs to make sure TurnItIn doesn't think I'm a plagiarist < 1305172389 433436 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an amazing inversion of logic. < 1305172396 746124 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plagiarism.org < 1305172396 911370 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, Turnitin for students. Avoid accidental plagiarism. < 1305172400 375413 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidental plagiarism < 1305172403 964954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP < 1305172450 294513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once accused of plagiarising by a professor, simply because I used big words. < 1305172480 880832 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1305172484 247588 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered < 1305172489 287238 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRANSFERRING TO A PLACE THAT ISN'T A HEAP OF SHIT < 1305172641 404902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cited a page that says "Who the FUCK cares" < 1305172651 44691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel ... weird, not bad weird, about that < 1305172658 512523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: 42 < 1305172667 766806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if he's secretly a muslim, we'll be okay < 1305172669 518801 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus i wish xchat's ignore features were more usable this is killing me < 1305172679 315871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ...what? < 1305172680 290786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1305172686 316282 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was scrolled too far up < 1305172688 686964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1305172699 3327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was only like a screen away from current < 1305172705 3759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like...a day off :P < 1305172726 877019 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305172861 726115 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's probably just tired. Or a sociopath." < 1305172889 267813 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305172913 746866 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, oklofok entered < 1305172938 338303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1305173002 229648 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305173044 128985 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305173048 924595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Biological father, biological mother, surrogate mother, adoptive father, adoptive mother. < 1305173074 137051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this woman of which the norwegian government made a half-example < 1305173079 394502 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexample < 1305173097 906558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she went to india to get a surrogate mother for her child (this is not legal to get done in norway) < 1305173140 665761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intending to become a single mother. she didn't use her own eggs. < 1305173141 347784 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isn't legal? < 1305173158 759145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using surrogate mothers < 1305173179 298809 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1305173179 477459 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1305173276 634110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least paying them for it. i'm not sure of the details. < 1305173305 606896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, since she's not even the biological mother, by norwegian law she is _not_ the parent. by indian law, she is. < 1305173323 467302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :left the twins in complete legal limbo < 1305173379 204278 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that leave them stateless? < 1305173380 105312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she almost got permission to adopt them anyway, but she lied on the application and said it _was_ her eggs < 1305173380 972158 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a limbo < 1305173387 721801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1305173418 469631 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fuck. < 1305173427 628954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like HATEless < 1305173470 523469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they showed some mercy after about a year, and let her adopt anyway. < 1305173484 235422 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why there's laws against altruistic surrogacy. At all. < 1305173566 670745 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for most of that year she was stranded in an indian hotel room with twins without a legal visa < 1305173703 417614 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty clear that the government were going to let them in _eventually_. but making sure no one else would want to try and copy her. or be able to claim ignorance. < 1305173739 960378 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems that the Convention Relating to the Status of Stateless Persons does not cover in any way a stateless child of a stated person. < 1305173773 282706 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's irrelevant, anyways. India is not signatory. < 1305173854 770900 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one _could_ point out that india's laws support a booming surrogate parent _industry_ < 1305173884 158493 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy as hell to cease that. Stop banning practices for no good reason! < 1305173910 736410 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305173969 320748 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305174126 704057 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305174184 491290 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1305174193 198911 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa? < 1305174207 981493 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A third instance of eye evolution in the vertebrates. < 1305174213 439176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dolichopteryx longipes is a species of barreleye fish. It has evolved a second pair of eyes with distinct optics. < 1305174217 740449 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using *reflective* optics. < 1305174232 315527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found an english article somewhat about it on an indian website http://www.csrindia.org/index.php/surrogate-motherhood < 1305174280 188620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's arguing against /unregulated/ surrogacy are they? < 1305174292 140179 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]surrogacy, < 1305174300 151501 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the barreleye fish, BTW, have transparent skulls) < 1305174392 54571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you mean _for_? < 1305174402 439685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes < 1305174406 493448 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1305174421 967753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes elliott_ suspiciously < 1305174457 494851 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1305174491 106942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SCARY LIBERTARIANS < 1305174521 733088 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes absolutely a libertarian that is what i am < 1305174987 265017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme wiki has been hit by spam < 1305175162 522570 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abqbebrsbbsbbdbsbdbsbabqbqbqbqbqbqbqbq < 1305175362 211141 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want some < 1305175362 938648 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread < 1305176057 604464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing Completeness Considered Harmful" < 1305176103 606862 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also total FP :P < 1305176115 420852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (spam) (spam) (spam)) < 1305176116 321937 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all theorem provers < 1305176186 190146 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is all the spam from that streak reverted? < 1305176192 267729 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sort of went about it piecemeal < 1305176238 478105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to double check everything, and yesterday i asked ais523 to look over Special:New pages < 1305176259 965616 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hopefully < 1305177292 667356 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL about Louis Wain, a man whose cat paintings show the progression of his schizophrenia. (dangerousminds.net) < 1305177293 218305 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDDIT < 1305177295 265099 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME < 1305177548 716798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM? < 1305177616 851646 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANNOT FUCKING COUNT < 1305177618 477604 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NUMBER OF TIMES < 1305177620 332570 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE SEEN THAT BULLSHIT < 1305177622 470127 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE INTERNET < 1305177631 719407 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I CAN COUNT IN EQUAL NUMBER THE AMOUNT OF TIMES I'VE SEEN IT REFUTED < 1305177647 726027 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think I can unsubscribe from *every* subreddit? < 1305177806 444182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1305177844 267298 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1305177847 765873 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go do that now. < 1305177855 661420 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there'll be no crap at all on my frontpage. < 1305177877 20646 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could add askscience, i hear it's pretty good < 1305177902 661506 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why would I want to see other people's ignorance? < 1305177913 398812 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there sixty seconds in a minute, sixty minutes in an hour etc? And why does a second last the duration that it does? (self.askscience) < 1305177918 281258 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you make a perpetual spinning magnetic motor? (self.askscience) < 1305177926 425315 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have 20/20 vision and put on somebody's prescription glasses, will I basically see the way that they do? (self.askscience) < 1305177926 545578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1305177933 65220 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i do not think this would be a good subreddit to subscribe to. < 1305177948 912216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too cynical to live, check < 1305177949 773870 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a dog know to make eye contact? With a human? (self.askscience) < 1305177950 491547 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's magic < 1305177957 183007 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cell phones are killing bees? Is this true? (self.askscience) < 1305177957 777052 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305177961 195461 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the sky a bright orange sky before a thunderstorm? (self.askscience) < 1305177962 565764 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god's wrath < 1305177966 911418 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Questions about the wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics (self.askscience) < 1305177968 863083 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ride the wave < 1305177971 10210 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't surf on particles < 1305177974 210672 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can drinking distilled water exclusively be harmful? (self.askscience) < 1305177976 499655 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you will get drunk < 1305177980 157160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do atomic explosions result in mushroom-shaped clouds? (self.askscience) < 1305177982 308352 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because god is getting high < 1305177986 926837 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many Homo Sapien ancestors do I have (approximately)? (self.askscience) < 1305177989 436960 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about three, you inbred fuck < 1305177991 165363 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1305177994 878705 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should post all of these < 1305178009 64885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, Arc is one of the 3 despised-by-many-Lispers lisps? < 1305178016 583302 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three? < 1305178019 166934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with newLisp and Clojure? < 1305178028 663389 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Lispers like Clojure. < 1305178030 263178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um are these actual posts and answers or have you never actually visited the subreddit? (i admit i rarely have) < 1305178034 308447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1305178042 995394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actual posts, I'm making up the answers because I hate these people < 1305178056 19749 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway, Arc isn't hated much for its actual language, it's more pg's hyping and the subsequent utter letdown. < 1305178056 534899 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't quit your day job < 1305178065 250197 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the _answers_ i've heard are good < 1305178068 235173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"utter letdown"? < 1305178072 832874 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language itself is uninteresting/crappy, but it's too intwined with pg's ego as far as hatred goes. < 1305178085 713885 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um, he spent over five years saying he was working on a revolutionary lisp dialect that would last a hundred years < 1305178098 876831 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it was released it was a few hundred lines of scheme code with shorter names for some functions, and an http server < 1305178105 758156 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even any unicode support < 1305178114 724212 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he literally said he wanted arc to last a hundred years) < 1305178123 825192 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good answers to stupid questions? well that's not exactly a difficult business :D < 1305178124 58206 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-134.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305178167 328700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1305178176 588723 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305178212 678000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically arc is the proof that pg has hit his own whatever it was starting with b < 1305178227 290850 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :book? < 1305178232 417491 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :buxom < 1305178233 420664 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard < 1305178234 851672 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bark < 1305178239 924361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no a word someone made up, possibly pg himself < 1305178245 200901 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bust < 1305178248 196656 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: blub < 1305178251 619211 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, pg made it up < 1305178252 856053 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it was < 1305178433 721263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember why newLISP was hated, except for the memory management, and I think even I saw that something some newLISP defender said was... wrong somehow < 1305178499 341790 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no garbage collection, is uninteresting in most if not every way, and its creator and all its fans are evidently idiots as they try and scramble to justify this in the most terrible way possible < 1305178502 117583 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BUT EVAL IS FAST" < 1305178513 818775 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'll let dynamic scoping slide as picolisp pulls it off) < 1305178570 400171 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dutch is like English from some alternative, backwards universe where hydrogen is replaced with vowels." < 1305178610 452870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@radekg Please don't insult COBOL like that. It's nowhere near as bad as ColdFusion. :-)" < 1305178614 535544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/2846/which-programming-language-do-you-really-hate < 1305178621 3459 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1305178623 115454 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fucking ask < 1305178623 976301 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question < 1305178625 253144 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are about < 1305178626 275154 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fucking ask < 1305178628 12867 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do it < 1305178635 567307 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i will commit serious acts of violence against you and nobody will be able to stop me :( < 1305178640 502972 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such will the force of my facepalming be < 1305178646 802531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, did you think I was about to ask if I should learn ColdFusion? < 1305178660 421420 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were going to ask why it sucked < 1305178717 66526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's more than just the XMLishness < 1305178730 15291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had and read a book on ColdFusion once when I was young) < 1305178737 819721 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a non-xml thing too < 1305178738 953621 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i know this < 1305178739 525318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this < 1305178746 581033 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to get drunk and forget everything i know about codlfusion < 1305178802 355640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't hide that easily < 1305179122 137985 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha @ coldfusion < 1305179183 877645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Basic constructs of any decent language include the ability to specify a null value. You will find no such thing in ColdFusion, only hacks into it's Java layer (another questionable mess) and a ridiculous nod in the form of (cfqueryparam null="yes")." < 1305179200 606233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's... probably the only wrong reason to hate CF < 1305179211 837359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not having nulls is _not_ a bad thing) < 1305179225 982184 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having no nulls and no maybe/option type certainly is < 1305179226 773084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you can't handle their occasional use cases easily) < 1305179233 765462 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasional? < 1305179239 690219 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returning "maybe a value, or maybe not" is almost universal. < 1305179244 74766 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, any kind of lookup. < 1305179265 450936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, true < 1305179401 668571 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the superiorest way to fail is continuations, especially these modern and structured continuations called exceptions are particularly handy < 1305179443 124285 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-local control flow ARE YOU CRAZY????? < 1305179460 603606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the locals are so dirty < 1305179497 260309 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every monad can be implemented with continuations, see felleisen < 1305179552 829342 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a nice sigfpe post about that too < 1305179662 979387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about how you could get monad syntax for any monad if it just worked for Cont? < 1305179689 674290 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1305179703 585999 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think so < 1305179871 910991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is this the real Slava Pestov? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6ikav/shortest_summary_of_the_release_of_arc_and_the/c03xxhe < 1305179980 144766 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1305179988 396028 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION said that without even clicking :) < 1305180011 512788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6ikav/shortest_summary_of_the_release_of_arc_and_the/c03y3l6 < 1305180048 623656 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305182123 444472 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305182333 940987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305182759 820102 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, he's even on irc here < 1305182793 280420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1305182810 248236 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 33 hours idle < 1305182931 162780 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, he chats n' stuff < 1305182943 7421 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can totally orz him if you want < 1305182974 97002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: well i was just wondering if the reddit account was real, is all < 1305182980 728229 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1305183002 78741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, he was making a pretty strong statement, there < 1305183007 969078 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah < 1305183023 974915 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orz (also seen as Or2, on_, OTZ, OTL, STO, JTO,[22] _no, _冂○,[23] 囧rz,[20] O7Z, _|7O, Sto, O|¯|_, and Jto[original research?]) is an emoticon representing a kneeling or bowing person < 1305183032 373185 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"original research" xD < 1305183060 868898 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, good programmers need a good kick in the butt if they're doing stupid shit < 1305183138 696598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1305183198 123738 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that applies very well to paul graham. he is one of those unreasonable people George Bernard Shaw spoke about. < 1305183216 814494 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is wonderful when he is _right_, of course, but... < 1305184340 720377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bootable livecd for anonymity? Where have I heard that before... < 1305184628 325292 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo-table, the main building block of a ghost database. < 1305184649 380494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stealing that kthx < 1305187902 420837 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF957.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305187996 100963 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFA01.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305188091 313729 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1305190516 601537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1305190687 461407 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666. < 1305190688 946423 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :囧? < 1305190691 320285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is that? < 1305190708 837905 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a mangled Chinese 4. < 1305190764 956292 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it is a kanji/hanzi < 1305190768 398838 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be the font. < 1305190917 253051 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :adfgkjsdfb < 1305191570 531254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305192504 864503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1305192544 747739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1305192549 732583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I'm meant to be teaching a tutorial right now < 1305192553 700790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my students showed up < 1305192558 127440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm sitting in the room with a laptop < 1305193135 230618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the right room? < 1305193295 930831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305193314 389263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was slightly late, so I'm wondering whether they all turned up, decided I wasn't coming, and went home; or whether they never turned up in the first place < 1305193319 782599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's optional, because it's exam revision < 1305193345 974880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they haven't turned up, I have to wonder if they don't need it, or they're really overconfident, or they're really lazy < 1305193614 336063 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around here people generally wait for up to 10-20 minutes before giving up. < 1305193686 988080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about how late I was, train issues < 1305193863 836986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1305193982 92430 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305194031 233350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 囧? <--- looks like a simple outline of a house inside a frame < 1305194089 415390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is not slightly late, that is quite a bit late < 1305194097 443007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1305194188 996808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, slightly late: up to 5 minutes, a bit late: up 10 minutes, late: up to 15 minutes, quite a bit late: up to 25 minutes, very late: up to 45 minutes, extremely late: anything above that < 1305194208 509033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could quantify vague adjectives that accurately < 1305194209 658805 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this an ISO standard? < 1305194214 733633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it should be! < 1305194230 585233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then you learnt something new today < 1305194238 480246 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The late: when dead. < 1305194262 942673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305194389 83477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually that is the old system, in the new system it is preferred to give it in units of late (with metric prefixes), so you were 8 decilate < 1305194408 980863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305194413 104655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that was wrongt < 1305194414 888359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong* < 1305194436 741530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/3 late in fact < 1305194460 830681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I suspended my laptop, came back to my office, unsuspended it, and was still connected to IRC < 1305194481 343231 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305194488 129258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was that s2ram? < 1305194498 259616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to RAM, yes < 1305194502 502197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect hibernation to work < 1305194514 332412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to pull out ethernet cable, untangle the cabling, plug it back in, and still be connected to irc < 1305194529 841213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised it works with wireless and with s2ram though < 1305194545 631813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that really surprises me is that the IP didn't change < 1305194551 782263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably, if it had, reconnecting automatically would have failed) < 1305194552 981229 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP's like that; I guess I've mentioned the "can hang-up the dialup connection and redial without IRC dropping" thing here earlier. < 1305194572 465711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware that TCP is capable of handling the connection break, though, as long as it's short enough that there's no pingout < 1305194573 783441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not that I remember < 1305194580 773865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP is actually like that too, for different reasons < 1305194594 438285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes UDP is like that hm < 1305194595 935749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection doesn't actually exist, so a short enough interruption is indistinguishable from the connection breaking < 1305194614 885158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that depends on the protocol on top of udp though < 1305194631 498077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, yes, but I'm talking if you just write a program that's pretty much raw UDP < 1305194634 827665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a chat server or something < 1305194650 830366 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, that was most of the story already, though I also did patch ircii to say "PING? PONG!" whenever the server pinged, so I could choose to do the disconnection immediately after a previous ping. < 1305194650 911403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could lose messages in the udp case (unlike the tcp case) < 1305194666 856168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, haha < 1305194668 654807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, but for something like a chat server that's less of a problem < 1305194672 653542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why did you patch it like that < 1305194683 493744 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think mIRC used to say it like that. < 1305194691 62174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305194697 687470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC servers don't actually ping each other to check connection < 1305194697 768550 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some win3.11-age version of it, anyway.) < 1305194707 759631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just assume the pings, and send a constant stream of pongs < 1305194708 355722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why did you redial < 1305194725 149259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean the server-server protocol? Well that varies between ircds < 1305194762 519387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though sending keep alive messages is one way yes < 1305194835 707601 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was a silly telephone call pricing thing. The local telephone company used to have fixed-price-per-call "evening" (17-08) local call prices; then after modems got all popular they changed it so that the "per-call" price only got you 30 minutes, after that it was some per-minute pricing. So the cheapest way to stay online was a series of ~30-minute calls. < 1305194871 269307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, that's why they do that? < 1305194890 865980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, the phone cost for evening calls nowadays is something like 10p for the first hour, then 1p per minuts < 1305194892 414798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, did you do it by a script then? < 1305194892 622819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minute < 1305194916 512757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the phone company actually suggests redialing every hour for that reason < 1305194934 156343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh :D < 1305194942 102678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they suggest it openly... < 1305194945 617458 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I haven't seen any official rationale; but that's my guess, anyway, since it happened pretty soon after people started spending time online with several hours long phonecalls. < 1305194958 913434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they're assuming that people assume that that's just how phones work < 1305194972 682371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? < 1305194986 511222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they need reconnecting? < 1305194987 81286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the other reason to do things like that is because most phone calls are very short, but people still have to pay for the whole first hour anyway < 1305194994 623374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that they start costing more after an hour < 1305195004 481578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I see < 1305195050 55073 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I guess; but the per-call price here was only ~5 minutes worth of the per-minute pricing. (Which was actually I think the same per-minute price they used normally for the mon-fri 8-17 calls.) < 1305195054 817678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, modems are dead these days (outside development countries at least) < 1305195076 68286 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't have a completely automated script since I wanted to time it for the pings, and hooking up pppd's time-elapsed counter with ircii's ping-checking sounded a bit overly elaborate. < 1305195085 682042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ditto here < 1305195095 958360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, PPP still survives in the form of PPPoE/PPPoA and such, oh and tethering over bluethooth at least < 1305195101 99896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's because the per-minute pricing is insane, rather than because the first-hour price is cheap < 1305195133 760252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, after a while, one of the phone companies came up with an "as many phone calls as you like, of any length, to one ISP for a flat rate" < 1305195148 982094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's more or less how the monthly-cost internet connection came to the UK < 1305195161 350954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305195177 80802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't monthly cost internet standard for anything that isn't dial-up? < 1305195187 100045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever seen dial-up that is monthly cost < 1305195197 548974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is /nowadays/ < 1305195201 392104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway at least in Sweden the ISPs are generally the phone companies < 1305195202 262906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was pretty revolutionary then < 1305195210 41091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it was dialup back then < 1305195224 148069 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they did some sort of Internet-related phone-call deals here in Finland too. < 1305195240 891599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, in the UK nowadays, the ISPs, cable/satellite TV providers, phone companies, and even sometimes mobile phone companies are all the same < 1305195260 504624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember the price too, it was £25 a month < 1305195270 32059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes, mobile phone companies are mostly the same as land line ones, with a few that are mobile only < 1305195275 498451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least here < 1305195277 677748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, it's about that nowadays, although effectively cheaper because of inflation < 1305195292 634245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: here, there are several mobile only < 1305195309 461857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there aren't all that many companies doing mobile phone here < 1305195323 157062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the largest landline company, BT, don't really do mobile phones (they do, technically, but only because they bought a mobile phone company and run it as a mostly separate unit) < 1305195331 711174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a lot of major mobile phone companies in the UK < 1305195361 700228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see, Telia, Tele2, Telenor, 3, Comviq, Halebop (owned my Telia, but targets a different market segment than Telia itself). < 1305195365 51523 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that the current landline local call price here is... 0.012 eur/minute + 0.121 eur/call, with no special cases. Or possibly 0.0059 eur/minute with a different sort of deal. < 1305195372 388813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some more, but not any large ones < 1305195442 155283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, that's cheap by UK standards < 1305195457 181099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what landline price is < 1305195459 259022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably the UK is cheap by the standards of some other countries < 1305195474 668606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is here* < 1305195476 972668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in Canada, I tried to make an international call by payphone to the UK < 1305195490 937290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way it worked was, you dialed the number first then the phone told you how much it would cost, and you either paid or hung up < 1305195495 472097 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0.012 eur/minute + 0.121 eur/call translates to 1.046p/minute and 10.544p/call, which sounds like those prices you mentioned, with the exception that you start paying per-minute immediately at the start of the call even in the evenings. < 1305195519 512248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I tried, it took something like 5 minutes to work out the cost, and gave a number so large that I couldn't be reasonably expected to fit that many coins into my wallet to be able to pay it a coin at a time < 1305195531 584023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right, I muddled euros and eurocents < 1305195536 119949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I thought your prices were cheap < 1305195552 562364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hehe < 1305195563 205234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it took 5 minutes to work out the cost!? < 1305195572 51975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the phone wasn't doing it itself < 1305195587 162553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it phoned up some central cost calculation location that had to work out how much a call to the UK was likely to cost < 1305195597 271623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for all I know, it was being done by hand rather than automatically < 1305195597 937691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was it a human doing it then? < 1305195600 725360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305195608 493771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1305195626 88359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a computer would do it in a fraction of a second yeah < 1305195630 163120 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :International telephony is a complicated thing. < 1305195653 100335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a phone call from Hungary to the UK and that wasn't so bad < 1305195668 40047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was definitely calculated automatically, connection took no more than a couple of seconds longer than normal < 1305195694 784395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected since it would have to route in a complex way I guess < 1305195696 482845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit more expensive than a typical landline connection, but that wasn't surprising < 1305195703 471189 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile phone roaming abroad is also quite messy, protocol-wise, if I recall correctly from some telecommunications-basics lectures. The phone gets a temporary "virtual number" in the country-you're-visiting and so on. < 1305195716 326016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they do, huh < 1305195731 544431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it was within Europe, though, and that's practically one country for some purposes < 1305195763 422428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in Sweden there is no longer any difference between long distance/local within the country for rates < 1305195772 510531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference between to landline / to mobile though < 1305195785 698398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course international rates is the usual mess < 1305195800 346312 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We still have local/long-distance landline prices, it seems. < 1305195836 396462 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people are really making any new landline deals in any significant numbers, though. < 1305195849 667345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305195860 858408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about ADSL? < 1305195870 558644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes over landline after all < 1305195899 416383 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, but that's usually sold (at least in here) as an internet-only service and without a telephone number + contract. < 1305195905 406823 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305195946 71735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the UK, the landline normally just comes with the house nowadays < 1305195948 407593 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think new buildings tend to opt for some sort of fiber-based interwebbing anyway. I have no idea if they still install traditional telephone wiring though. < 1305195954 896178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so new landline deals are mostly only made for new houses < 1305195968 795632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have to have traditional telephone wiring so you can make an emergency call during a power cut < 1305196001 843024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305196042 509883 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have some sort of "can make an emergency call even without a landline contract"? Because at least in here people have been busily giving those up. < 1305196042 644734 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here used any AST-based source code editors? < 1305196053 151931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I think Cheery was writing one < 1305196060 532356 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's Cheery? < 1305196065 771759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who was here a while back < 1305196076 308108 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know someone's writing one for Haskell, but he's only talking about it and not really doing it < 1305196084 529212 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you guys think of the concept? < 1305196093 14907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you make an emergency call from a mobile in the UK, any mobile operator in range has to pick it up and relay it, whether you have a contract with them or not < 1305196095 317479 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think AST + vim style operation could be very cool < 1305196100 847099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, many phones can do it even without a SIM card < 1305196115 126156 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, but that doesn't have anything to do with telephone wiring. < 1305196122 645077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305196124 262352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think you can call 112 no matter what in Sweden. Such as mobile carriers have to let them through by law even if you don't have a contract with them, or you are out of money on a pre-paid plan or whatever < 1305196136 878424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the telephone wiring, I imagine emergency calls would only work if it was physically connected to something at the other end < 1305196138 811070 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, technically, a sim card has got wires (well, conductors) in it < 1305196154 645822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc my mobile can call 112 without entering the PIN even < 1305196165 110112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: would suck if your PIN started 112 < 1305196166 659882 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1305196169 419598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the phone know about that? < 1305196171 768362 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the enter-pin screen? < 1305196174 506966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, different button for call and for OK < 1305196175 401974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305196176 913918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. do you have to press 1 1 2 green, or something like that?) < 1305196188 219037 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1305196206 489407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :112 is technically the emergency number in the UK too, although 999 still works, and probably will do forever < 1305196208 727245 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percentage of homes with a landline telephone in Finland has dropped from 94% to 33% between 1995-2007; but I can't find any newer statistics. :/ < 1305196217 912514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, from google image search, this is my phone model: http://dansbandsfrun.bloggproffs.se/files/nokia-3120-classic-021.jpg < 1305196224 929778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the blackish one) < 1305196243 397911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(112 is a much superior number from a physical point of view; it's harder to type by mistake on a keypad, and faster to dial on an old-fashioned rotary dial phone) < 1305196249 898962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blue - button above the call button is used for OK < 1305196308 565259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on a non-rotary phone it is harder to get right if you are in a stressful situation, with 999 you can just mash one button a couple of times < 1305196333 231238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, when my little sister was very young she dialed 999 by mistake, because 9 was her favourite number < 1305196338 597734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305196341 393799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 "enter lock code" screen has a number pad and a "done" button; if you type in 112 as the code, an extra "emergency call" button appears above the "done" button. < 1305196341 820567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my parents had to explain what happened to the emergency response people < 1305196350 993747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, they were presumably quite used to that sort of thing happening < 1305196353 901424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1305196372 698172 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SIM entry dialog might have a similar thing. < 1305196383 314268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't cost much money for them to answer a call and decide it isn't an emergency; it's only when they decide it is that it's really expensive < 1305196396 222038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has anyone here made an actual emergency call, ever? < 1305196400 734442 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have. < 1305196402 588036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still hitting 9999 will still take you to emergency service, while I don't think 1112 or such will take you to the right place (presumably 1122 would though) < 1305196417 479500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did once (calling university security on their emergency number because a fight had broken out in the building I was in) < 1305196429 799398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a fight at university, heh < 1305196432 999224 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305196434 982101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird < 1305196435 329898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was yours about? < 1305196442 331492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, and it was looking quite violent < 1305196456 189314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just wouldn't expect that in a university < 1305196466 473474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to stop it myself, but the fight just migrated into a lift (en-us:elevator) and shot off way out of the range where I could chase it < 1305196481 818120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the end it was broken up by security < 1305196499 360852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyone you knew involved? < 1305196512 570500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305196519 760325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were in my department, but I had no idea who they were < 1305196525 530787 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There was a fire alarm device going on in the apartment above us, and after it had been going on for 15 minutes or so without stopping I thought I'd better let the fire emergency people know about it. They sent a car to take a look. < 1305196528 326579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, students? faculty? < 1305196534 188059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :students < 1305196537 353399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305196544 209103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was it a fire? < 1305196572 152059 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Turned out the people living above us had for some really inexplicable reason an (indoors) fire alarm in their *balcony*, and perhaps the -25-degrees-Celsius temperatures or something had gotten it confused. < 1305196580 131329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uh wouldn't fire alarm in a university building be wired to automatically notify emergency services < 1305196582 493127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha < 1305196583 488798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least around here they are < 1305196587 718647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mostly they are over here < 1305196588 852633 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This was at home. < 1305196598 418027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I read that as department, not apartment < 1305196604 59429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last building I was in (not this one, the one with the Door) was originally wired up to the fire department < 1305196619 540094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they gave up after a while, as the builders kept drilling through fire alarm signal wires and calling out the fire engines as a result < 1305196619 755208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, originally? < 1305196628 807363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305196642 860417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I seen a handful of false alarms at university myself < 1305196650 166729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now they have a system where the signal went to security control, and they'd check to see if it looked like an actual fire or manual call, and call the fire brigade themselves if it was actualy a fire < 1305196660 804813 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i would <3 to see uni faculty get it on < 1305196663 944468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my current department, the fire alarm has only ever gone off during actual fire drills < 1305196671 569940 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"take this, you LIBERAL FAG!" < 1305196675 173475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the burglar alarm goes off by mistake quite a bit < 1305196681 684713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be annoying during lectures < 1305196714 499517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I seen an electrician set off a burgler alarm next to a lab I was in at one point. < 1305196714 913364 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think an ast-based editor can be useful? < 1305196720 830022 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ < 1305196724 538778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice < 1305196730 517055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few hours in between < 1305196733 215976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: potentially, yes, but I likely wouldn't use one < 1305196740 571993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think he would avoid doing it the second time < 1305196740 865351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :text has huge benefits < 1305196741 487532 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you not? < 1305196751 345586 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of benefits? < 1305196762 293532 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe he failed at avoiding. < 1305196765 262159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily interpret it in a different way < 1305196771 281865 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolled snake eyes on the critical roll < 1305196777 307647 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and? < 1305196785 14865 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does that relate to source code? < 1305196795 59991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often line up columns with whitespace in my programs, for instance, so I can easily do edits going down the columns rather than across the rows < 1305196798 945693 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: After our high school building was renovated (and a new wing built), there was a series of maybe 5 or so spurious fire alarms within a period of about two weeks. The emergency service people probably got quite bored about it. (And the first call was answered with real fire truck, maybe even a couple, while for the last one someone just came with a regular car to turn the thing off.) < 1305196801 674491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an operation that makes no sense in an AST < 1305196811 869457 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no reason an ast-based editor couldn't do that < 1305196817 962068 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just display < 1305196830 180111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: I'd say it wouldn't be AST-based if it did < 1305196832 274873 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things can display serialized data in equal-width columns < 1305196835 165881 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say it is < 1305196840 623391 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the navigation and editing < 1305196847 4775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lucky there wasn't a real fire then the last time < 1305196856 763046 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example the space between the source items could, inside the editor, be zero-width < 1305196876 255593 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would not be displayed zero width, instead the right amount of space would be displayed < 1305196884 597975 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, what's on screen != what's in the buffer < 1305196888 212291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: but the columns aren't part of the AST at all < 1305196897 246634 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but they're part of the display < 1305196904 417870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, now design a language where columns would be part of the AST < 1305196906 620794 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason you can't have a render pass < 1305196906 785871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no clue how) < 1305196911 68535 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1305196922 543636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they would be in DownRight < 1305196930 351985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, part of the reason that doesn't have an interp yet is that it doesn't have a syntax < 1305196932 908824 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, befunge. < 1305196935 492645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not familiar with that language *checks esowiki* < 1305196942 719963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I put it there yet, but it's really simple < 1305196959 833606 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what do you think about an ast-based text editor? < 1305196962 894444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't there indeed < 1305196964 722177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program is a rectangular matrix, treated as a torus, and each cell contains a possibly empty string of "down" and "right" < 1305196976 287337 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so if the text editor does a render pass to line up things, are you happier with it? < 1305196977 626307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :running a program, you start by appending a copy of the contents of the first cell to a queue < 1305196984 885638 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean lining up columns is trivial < 1305196984 993344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1305196991 362036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1305196994 433025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then continuously move in the program according to the queue, appending a copy of the contents of each cell as you go < 1305197005 451887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1305197009 607540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's TC < 1305197019 244860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that queue wouldn't grow more than 1 element would it? < 1305197025 478328 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have two lines like this: [1, 2, 555, 6, , 2, 1] and [1, 5, , 2, 77] <--- those two can be lined up trivially < 1305197026 59216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cell contains a string < 1305197029 377998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305197062 935013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you know it is TC? < 1305197068 469899 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want is a language where the indentation of the line changes the scope it operates in, but lines still get executed from top to bottom < 1305197098 856468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the width and height of the matrix are coprime, it compiles neatly into more or less everything (that's not how I know it's TC, I proved it was TC by compiling cyclic tag into it) < 1305197110 256561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Python? < 1305197110 460421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305197112 237462 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: you could have an if branch which defines a new local scope. inside this if branch you could have a single line that's one indentation less than the rest of the if body. it makes the line operate on the context that the if clause was on. < 1305197114 565140 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Vorpal, what languages do you speak natively? < 1305197121 639506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1305197126 750983 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, python finishes blocks on encountering lesser indentation < 1305197128 508093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so why would it not have an interpreter? < 1305197133 540125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think INTERCAL is the only program which has scopes that work like that, and it doesn't use indentation for scoping < 1305197137 440190 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i speak native haskell < 1305197140 390028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could interpret it just fine < 1305197145 647685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just also happens to compile easily < 1305197145 822486 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305197151 402194 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think this could be an interesting esolang? < 1305197157 700588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be < 1305197161 799457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, so could most other things < 1305197162 246048 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1305197165 655968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, Swedish I guess. Though I manage quite well in English, and in some areas (compsci mostly) I know the words of things in English but not in Swedish. < 1305197168 543740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it wouldn't be a boring BF derivative < 1305197170 782532 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why could it be? < 1305197180 74161 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok < 1305197185 994317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: because you only really need one new idea to make an interesting esolang < 1305197189 500141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you milk it to death < 1305197200 993159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte is my favourite example of that, among the esolangs I've designed < 1305197204 777750 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what other ideas could be used for this esolang? < 1305197206 731759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so why is it not implemented, it should be easier than befunge even, < 1305197214 49091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a proper spec though < 1305197214 818600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it doesn't have a syntax < 1305197221 415342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus you can't write programs in it < 1305197226 72139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305197237 857499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a file format like befunge's would surely work? < 1305197250 247039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are strings in every cell < 1305197254 857807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to separate with tabs or something < 1305197265 346876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then, it'd look ugly in an editor if your strings were more than 7 chars long) < 1305197269 103622 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres my finns :| < 1305197273 2452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 3 you mean :P < 1305197291 6958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually I suggest space separation, if you can write downright < 1305197294 632510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of down right < 1305197304 956669 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: What do you need a Finn for? < 1305197311 191194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think you'd write out the words < 1305197312 740016 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: data collection < 1305197322 120276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ↓ and → < 1305197323 724589 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could use html < 1305197327 661038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1305197328 739747 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and use html tables for the cells < 1305197331 481708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have the benefit of being easy to type on my keyboard < 1305197334 378336 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i need some minor translations and judgements of grammaticality < 1305197334 473480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well space separation then. < 1305197335 539333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: that is an awful idea < 1305197343 228806 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's exactly why it should be done < 1305197348 235298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes ↓→ are easy, just altgr-u/i < 1305197348 586136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how would you distinguish an empty cell? < 1305197350 909973 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or better yet, excell spreadsheets < 1305197354 953805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same combo as on here < 1305197371 901401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm... maybe a symbol representing that? < 1305197380 91932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-, perhaps? < 1305197388 879671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, possibly < 1305197391 923765 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: excel spreadsheets can be output to TSV, you don't need to look at the intermediate code < 1305197399 302965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not any symbol that isn't space, ↓ or → < 1305197403 845779 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Well, if it doesn't take long, I can provide some; though I'm not always so good at judging grammaticality. (Finnish is anyway quite flexible about some things, especially if you just apply some poetic license.) < 1305197406 777444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or enter < 1305197408 629308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1305197416 495726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you can put a comment in a cell to mark it as empty? < 1305197422 252238 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you a native finnish speaker, or a second language speaker? < 1305197430 144721 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Native Finnish speaker, yes. < 1305197436 913269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, why not < 1305197440 985343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work < 1305197451 85956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as long as there is no space in that comment of course < 1305197454 200716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I vaguely want to write a downright -> BF compiler now, it shouldn't be too hard < 1305197458 309304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since then it would be multiple cells < 1305197470 745476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although simplest to insist on coprime width/height < 1305197477 805962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I want to write a DownRight interpreter if you put up page on the wiki about it < 1305197485 668929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why do they need to be co-prime? < 1305197495 155250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as then you can use just one modulo operation to wrap both of them, rather than needing two < 1305197509 230190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1305197512 584890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1305197521 940069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say your program is 7 wide and 5 high < 1305197524 389018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305197535 144114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can map (x, y) to (5x + 7y) mod 35 < 1305197540 319569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it as an index to a lookup table < 1305197541 712565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean one integer to track the position, right < 1305197548 378515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then going down is adding 5, across is adding 7 < 1305197563 785749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right is adding 7 < 1305197574 410045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, solved too many crosswords? < 1305197585 670907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305197641 974335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, why compile to bf? < 1305197650 796766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fun, not for any particular reason < 1305197653 123298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why esolang at all? < 1305197672 935740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1305197680 150435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not compile to feather? < 1305197690 102688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or intercal < 1305197708 956009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a) that would be uninteresting given the nature of Feather, b) I still don't really get how Feather works yet < 1305197716 528695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and INTERCAL generally makes a bad compilation target < 1305197725 436664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in what way < 1305197737 10718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see a queue implemented in intercal < 1305197759 935034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplest way to do a queue in INTERCAL is two stacks < 1305197766 784351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1305197778 475602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pop from the first and push on the second; if you try to pop from the first and it's empty, you reverse the second stack onto the first and continue < 1305197789 841706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305198611 391348 :jix_!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305198921 999769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1305200942 557686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/DownRight is on the wiki now, anyway < 1305201769 380112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm what happens with leading whitespaces on a line? < 1305201778 167014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be defined < 1305201783 16652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start of a program, it isn't < 1305201797 764363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at the start of a line I was considering < 1305201802 984159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere else, they end up as part of the whitespace that separated it from the line before < 1305201819 836297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a string of whitespace containing at least one vertical whitespace character < 1305201820 940634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305201843 455424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw real comments will likely end up like this foo_bar_quux < 1305201848 170419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305201848 444035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this:* < 1305201851 912152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe using dots < 1305201855 124080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1305201870 57672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about weird unicode spaces < 1305201890 139863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't be the first time esolangs had a bizarre comment syntax < 1305201897 712433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well indeed < 1305201898 849485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know < 1305201919 206568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, since when has Unicode support ever been consistent between implementations of a widely-implemented esolang? < 1305201921 797560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about a unicode zero width space, is that a whitespace or a comment? < 1305201939 791919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an official definition of what is and what isn't whitespace somewhere, though < 1305201957 176913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean, for esolangs, or in general? < 1305201969 731643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official definition's in general < 1305201979 984768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305201981 159666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO? < 1305201988 145065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1305201992 280654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode Consortium, most likely < 1305202052 743052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at some point (not today) I might write a ↓→ compiler. Compiling to C probably, though dynamically growing queues in C sounds no fun < 1305202060 67269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also um, how would one observe the state < 1305202140 331015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, languages with output are nice in that it is easier to test them < 1305202143 972558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just halt/nonhalt < 1305202148 526318 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305202148 936145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easy enough to do debug output < 1305202155 980223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, could be halt-at-position < 1305202156 415253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just print the sequence of downs and rights as they're popped < 1305202166 151687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe coordinates too < 1305202169 136660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305202206 3696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't see any way to optimise this language that isn't just evaluating it < 1305202283 762800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of static analysis? < 1305202308 945160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not sure how helpful it would be... < 1305202326 897832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what sort of thing you could extract from it < 1305202366 592576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some downs/rights you could statically prove to always move to blank cells < 1305202381 20457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could merge them into the downs/rights afterwards, as a sort of "move diagonally" or whatever < 1305202387 191948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess the best way to do a queue in C would be a single-linked list and keeping a pointer to the end element, blergh < 1305202393 936239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic memory allocation < 1305202395 521751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C < 1305202413 593826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the best way is to use a circular array and grow it if necessary, even if it means you have to copy the queue < 1305202428 611596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, but wouldn't that depend on where they came from before, to know what was already in the queue? < 1305202429 936333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has much better cache properties, stores more compactly in memory, and requires much fewer allocations < 1305202449 927901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305202458 879916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, more painful to work with, but sure < 1305202478 173570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'd write the compiler in a HLL though < 1305202565 888871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, after spending several hours translating an algorithm from Haskell into OCaml < 1305202581 678470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that the major difference between the languages is that Haskell's standard library was better, or at least easier to memorise < 1305202604 86299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe you are just more used to haskell? < 1305202628 57015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc ocaml has a very good compiler btw < 1305202628 182242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's more that I had to write lambdas a lot more in OCaml < 1305202637 456575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305202643 971985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in Haskell, normally there was a handy combinator I could just use < 1305202650 927300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305203270 30634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is utterly useless: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Golang < 1305203275 123002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too little information about it < 1305203294 923289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see the talkpage < 1305203305 376522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay now that made me more confused < 1305203373 502988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh is WireWorld TC? < 1305203381 352261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it has finite memory < 1305203389 601640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the wires can't grow) < 1305203476 537716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if you can have an infinite (and repeating) program < 1305203481 100594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305203497 468830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most easily by making a Minsky machine < 1305203645 722070 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, at least my Google search puts the Esolang wiki "Minsky machine" article above the two Wikipedia results (titled "Register machine" and "Counter machine"). < 1305203720 689922 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-102.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305204151 569325 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1305204169 872721 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you override __builtin__.str on eval.appspot.com, you override it's front page. < 1305204221 670433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: presumably they didn't think that someone would do that < 1305204253 232931 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the front page was nyancat for a hile. < 1305204254 343734 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :while* < 1305204544 555331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that is an empty page currently < 1305204572 587427 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, somebody broke shell.appspot.com which it redirects to. < 1305204666 951393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305205966 573403 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305206699 997981 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus why are macintoshes so annoyingly slow and inefficient < 1305206814 603745 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no offense but have you considered that you might just be really quick and efficient yourself? < 1305206834 656210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hm? < 1305206857 437276 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: birds are really cute when scavenging for food < 1305206868 155438 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305206869 729375 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifting stuff up with their little beakies < 1305206877 529437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, what kind of birds < 1305206885 63067 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh any kind i suppose < 1305206892 407447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, even large birds? < 1305206906 730569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't have small beaks after all < 1305206918 289401 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose just relatively small ones < 1305206933 673235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, do you consider something like a crow to be relatively small? < 1305206943 575540 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305206971 599515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, eagles? < 1305206978 392556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :swans? < 1305206998 13005 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those might be pushing it < 1305207005 707330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, ducks then? < 1305207016 26376 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305207025 78059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are smaller than swans certainly < 1305207038 290881 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ducks are relatively small too < 1305207234 997695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got the results from my last exam ever < 1305207237 425626 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yays < 1305207245 391080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305207261 995628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, so you are done at university after this? < 1305207268 641025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, what are you going to do then? < 1305207271 194592 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm still doing my phd < 1305207274 67476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305207282 147082 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else i finished months and months ago < 1305207289 320601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, so why this exam? < 1305207294 8069 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for funsies < 1305207296 239937 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never again < 1305207297 753721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305207303 490279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, what is your PHd about? < 1305207313 144301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that was weird caps < 1305207313 278377 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue! :D < 1305207319 152634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, uh uh :P < 1305207383 354674 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few fun open problems in cellular automata and finite state automata that would be fun to solve but they might not actually be very feasible < 1305207450 457275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, such as? < 1305207470 696743 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cerny's conjecture, if there's a synchronizing word for a DFA, then there's one of length O(n^2) < 1305207492 164982 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :synchronizing word = from any state, you go to one particular state, when reading that word < 1305207493 878837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I see, what is a synchronizing word in this context? < 1305207497 623468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you beat me to it < 1305207522 72426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, what is n in there? < 1305207526 470217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of states? < 1305207529 8006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relatively easy to show O(n^3), but that's all that's known < 1305207529 579882 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305207535 248486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305207535 678299 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklofok < 1305207546 790425 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heys < 1305207552 173334 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows life < 1305207583 977803 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, i haven't gotten a fix of mathoin for about a month now so if i don't get results soon i'll probably get depressed and die < 1305207590 598074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, so that word has to be the same for any given state you are in hm < 1305207594 132766 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1305207599 238272 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1305207602 903853 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus synchronizing < 1305207609 629474 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you synchronize every state to one < 1305207623 172298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well you could do one that would go to a known state and then to the state you want, I guess that one would be O(n^3) though? < 1305207628 246819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1305207631 741745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work hm < 1305207659 603234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, interesting problem. How do you show the O(n^3) case? < 1305207661 696274 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: mathoin? < 1305207665 916947 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it < 1305207680 807874 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the conjecture about periodic points in surjective CA, namely that they are "dense", that is, let G be a surjective CA, and let w be any word, then the conjecture says there's some (one-dimensional infinite) configuration x that contains w and is periodic in the sense that G^n(x) = x for some n > 0 < 1305207702 451515 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i wasn't sure fix was unambiguous enough so i had to do something like that < 1305207732 84789 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that just made it worse XD < 1305207744 23670 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: shut up :( < 1305207748 771831 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1305207756 132620 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TRIED MY BEST < 1305207764 560955 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: erm let me think i haven't slept at all < 1305207769 171011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305207772 686246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, never ever? < 1305207780 208592 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so < 1305207780 685691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305207794 348522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I can prove O(2^n) quite easily < 1305207804 841686 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha < 1305207807 715602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's less than O(n^3) for small enough n < 1305207812 845413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1305207822 923321 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can do O(n^3) the same way, but you have to use a different modified graph < 1305207832 747375 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :called the pair graph < 1305207833 578300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes, I was thinking along those lines < 1305207839 460027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you don't need all sets, just prime subsets < 1305207850 911084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1305207851 19774 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and in fact you don't need subsets < 1305207875 814961 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to try and extrapolate from "pair graph"? < 1305207885 633121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't < 1305207888 950820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy as I am, I think < 1305207899 976043 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if you understand the powerset construction, then that's kinda obvious too < 1305207900 540903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I think about the problem seriously I'll hit the n^3 proof quite easily, I imagine < 1305207907 623139 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1305207969 657476 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the pair graph H constructed from G is, we have pairs of states as the new states, and (x, y) -> (z, w) in H with label a if x -> z and y -> w both with label a in G < 1305207988 49969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a concept stolen from category theory < 1305207990 64670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305208000 920987 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is partitioned into the diagonal and... well, the rest < 1305208010 485157 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagonal is the vertices of the form (x, x) < 1305208024 357072 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, synchronizing two states means finding a path from outside the diagonal to the diagonal < 1305208079 350430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305208095 476220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think wlog we can assume the transition graph is strongly connected < 1305208108 379321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wlog? < 1305208110 966055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if it isn't, you can work on each half of the problem separately < 1305208113 210763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without loss of generality < 1305208115 592426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305208126 861680 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1305208130 328425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that the result if you assume something also applies to the situation where you don't, just with terms reversed or something like that < 1305208135 308101 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the graph is strongly connected, the result is obviously untrue < 1305208142 14096 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was implicitly assumed < 1305208142 416407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1305208156 52377 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think it isn't, you misunderstood the problem < 1305208162 249799 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305208163 85875 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stronly < 1305208165 954397 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strongly < 1305208166 812501 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1305208167 297317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say each state transitions to each other state, with a label depending on what it aims to < 1305208180 41530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think I'd said? < 1305208185 450896 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just missed strongly < 1305208189 317550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1305208194 890076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make quite a difference < 1305208199 239735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, yet you typed it? < 1305208205 567972 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not needed in the proof anyway < 1305208219 416962 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i didn't miss the actual word < 1305208220 559982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't, just thought that it might be interesting aiming for a different sort of proof < 1305208226 177636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I see < 1305208232 774122 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh you got the proof already? < 1305208242 542283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just brainstorming < 1305208251 711445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1305208268 707616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when aiming for a proof, I aim to come up with relevant-looking lemmas and conjectures first < 1305208269 405152 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you just note that n^2 steps is enough to unify *some* two vertices in case there exists a synchronizing word < 1305208273 40864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I can't see why they'd matter < 1305208283 910852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: oh, for the n^3, that's easy enough to work out < 1305208297 306001 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if there's a synchronizing word, there will have to be a path from outside the diagonal to the diagonal in H, so there must be one of length at most n^2 < 1305208306 729945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305208315 826668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, n(n-1), but that's the same thing because we're messing with big-O notation < 1305208316 523381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, can there exist a synchronizing word for one target state but not for another in a graph? < 1305208324 679678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really easily < 1305208332 56123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm okay < 1305208335 769801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1305208335 850889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a state machine with two states, and one letter in the input alphabet < 1305208346 374774 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not in a strongly connected graph, otherwise sure < 1305208346 586831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only four such machines, two of them have that property < 1305208348 117055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I see A->B but no other one < 1305208361 108810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no other connection that is) < 1305208365 475225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I should have eaten lunch hours ago < 1305208366 759368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll do that now < 1305208368 739760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1305208373 815681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305208406 578101 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow so as i said, n^3 is sort of trivial, but it seems clear that n^2 is actually enough < 1305208422 765649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, but you don't have a proof for it? < 1305208428 444164 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for n^2? < 1305208431 93873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305208443 147921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, write your phd on that :P < 1305208444 556963 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think i scribbled that in my solution to the riemann hypothesis notes < 1305208466 873350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, ah, like in the margin saying the margin was too small to contain that proof as well? ;P < 1305208506 455941 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i managed to fit the whole proof, there was just enough space between my one-liner solution to the 4-color conjecture and my proof of god < 1305208522 433758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1305208557 406782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, did you have a go at the Church–Turing thesis too? < 1305208570 352731 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered it obvious enough, like the rest of the world < 1305208573 56338 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305208586 750370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, it isn't actually proven though < 1305208593 751985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1305208667 216125 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL CAN ANYTHING REALLY EVERY BE PROVEN? < 1305208673 673654 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every. < 1305208681 585714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, that is philosophy I think, not math < 1305208755 928851 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this thesis that topological limits are the true definition of approaching < 1305208791 397420 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me demonstrate: if i have a point that goes towards another point, then we can put some open sets around one of them and, well, the rest is history < 1305208804 545826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, eh < 1305208811 978320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know next to nothing about topology < 1305208827 766985 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it was a stupid joke anyway < 1305208844 398300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that topologists likes to drink coffee from doughnuts ;P < 1305208847 63317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like* < 1305208981 531610 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and cut off penises < 1305209015 660775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh :P < 1305210325 494317 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :4b2o$2o2bobo$o5bo$b5o$3bo! < 1305210329 385920 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case anyone was wondering. < 1305210728 732378 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305210797 486774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what is that? < 1305211326 797865 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :A still life. < 1305211347 771346 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it before and it doesn't seem to have a LifeWiki article, probably because it's not notable. < 1305211381 91769 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Mark Niemiec discovered it, if nobody else did before him.. < 1305211383 80413 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.././ < 1305211797 384752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, oh it is a GOL thingy < 1305211801 996431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, how does one read it < 1305211898 946677 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :First line: four dead, two live. Next line: two live, two dead, live, dead, live. Next line: live, five dead, live. Next line: dead, five ilve. Next line: five dead, live. End. < 1305211936 560648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1305212828 959470 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305213109 314725 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the appeal of ooc? It mystifies me that BitBucket includes it in its dropdown to select "what language is this project written in". While there is no mention of, say, Pure or Felix. < 1305213335 857070 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course BitBucket's search sucks so badly that I have no real idea how many projects there *are* written in ooc... I only see one that mentions ooc in its description, and it's one of those "learn you this language" tutorials. < 1305213340 680910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305213357 487768 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's not even ooc :/ It's a tutorial on "Object-Oriented C" < 1305213573 313259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it crashed my browser < 1305213851 980606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305213903 711534 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it bit my sister, once < 1305213928 426511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mind boggles at ais523 managing to get the Unparseable spec to approach self-consistency < 1305213951 17711 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't even assuming it was a design goal at this point < 1305214016 483451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm still not convinced it's anywhere near self-consistent < 1305214026 931805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but atm, I'm beginning to think of it as a constraint solving puzzle < 1305214039 263513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find at least one execution path that doesn't break any of the rules < 1305214056 629158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305214094 879144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not yet sure if there's a program with multiple consistent interpretations < 1305214101 226673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the inventor of Feather cannot make it, no one can < 1305214134 23041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I haven't invented Feather yet < 1305214153 886349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I may need access to clog's hard-drive so I can retroactively change the previous line if necessary) < 1305214253 463217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1305214289 939364 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's reminder of how I'm pretty low on the pecking order of the world: "I am contacting you regarding your reservation in our hotel, we have a problem with your reservation. This problem ocured because of unexpected increasing of rooms in one group we are accommodating in the period of your reservation and we are not able to break this group. Therefore we have to move your reservation to another hotel in Prague, --" < 1305214334 93822 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the logic here goes "big group == large amount of money for the hotel == more important". < 1305214465 104965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, /me acts on advice honed over years on the Internet: if you're going to reply to someone you agree with, tell them you do, or they're going to assume you're arguing with them < 1305214589 89985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305214655 126669 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on the network, it's a good idea to be strict in what you provide < 1305214681 193840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: heh, are you trying to make this into something that's amusing just because it's said so often? < 1305214714 287952 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was riffing on what I told you yesterday, re your   spambot < 1305214741 880210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305214756 34600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being strictish in what you accept is a good way to keep out spambots, actually < 1305214759 927395 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305215591 47928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tree < 1305215591 655960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `tree' < 1305215597 58621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle tree < 1305215597 214558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Graph.Inductive.Tree < 1305215597 296541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Tree < 1305215597 296701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Tree data Tree a < 1305215612 538458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Tree < 1305215613 189826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Tree' < 1305215616 208105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node < 1305215616 822234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> Forest a -> Tree a < 1305215647 97526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = Tree [n,n] in n < 1305215647 775522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Tree' < 1305215654 233843 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = Node [n,n] in n < 1305215654 883234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1305215654 964507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : t = Data.Tree.Forest [... < 1305215666 382922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305215674 2259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305215700 366305 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me the bot can't see the Forest for the Trees. < 1305215702 266013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = Node () [n,n] in n < 1305215703 17057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Node {rootLabel = (), subForest = [Node {rootLabel = (), subForest = [Node ... < 1305215750 917432 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = [x] in x < 1305215751 513238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t = [t] < 1305215817 868784 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [x] < 1305215818 489486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Expr] < 1305215823 740379 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1305215824 751349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, if the trees are dense enough, you can't see if they're an isolated thicket, or if there's an entire forest behind them < 1305215844 461687 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t x < 1305215845 69530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1305215848 885492 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1305215870 821429 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t m < 1305215871 460312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1305215877 764833 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mzgbd < 1305215878 375809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mzgbd' < 1305215893 608564 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let mzgbd = [mzgbd] in mzgbd < 1305215902 772907 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let mzgbd = [mzgbd] in mzgbd < 1305215903 404949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t = [t] < 1305215916 521817 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's not shadowing anything, am i right? < 1305215922 786193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305215949 984063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists cannot recurse into their heads, only their tails < 1305215960 922325 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was working on that angle < 1305215964 877918 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my HEAD < 1305216014 35909 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let mzgbd = (():mzgbd) in mzgbd < 1305216014 671899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),(),()... < 1305216038 769919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Compiler.find_connected_components_from_edge_inner ;; < 1305216040 83938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : - : 'a -> ('a * 'a) list -> int -> 'a list -> 'a list -> ('a * int) list -> 'a list list -> 'a list -> ('a * 'a list) list -> 'a list list = < 1305216061 726090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, I seem to do stateful algorithms by passing all the components around by hand, rather than using monads or variables < 1305216076 453793 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that too < 1305216091 525752 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :habit from when I learned Erlang, in my case < 1305216147 835305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t findConnectedComponents'' < 1305216148 533267 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually I get like "all these arguments are being passed everywhere and they always appear together -- let's make this a record" < 1305216149 184833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :findConnectedComponents'' :: (Eq a, Ord b, Num b) => a -> [(a, a)] -> b -> [a] -> [a] -> [(a, b)] -> [[a]] -> [a] -> (b, [a], [a], [(a, b)], [[a]]) < 1305216151 376526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it in Haskell too < 1305216170 325448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OCaml version was written more recently, though, and I rewrote it in CPS, which made it quite a bit simpler < 1305216177 177666 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've every written something with *that* type < 1305216179 802511 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ever < 1305216204 229699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ('a * 'a list) list-typed argument in the OCaml version is actually a manually maintained call stack) < 1305216223 791984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the "all these arguments are being passed everywhere" thing didn't really come up, as it was just one thicket of functions < 1305216265 822600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, a manually maintained continuation stack, but I made "continuations-by-reference" by hand, because it was less insane than trying to do it automatically) < 1305216376 996145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the major advantage of Haskell over OCaml is its standard library, IMO < 1305216387 594610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more relevant than the whole laziness and purity arguments < 1305216394 608908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unique < 1305216395 228007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `unique' < 1305216398 597798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305216404 789437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that isn't in the library after all? < 1305216406 920162 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know if I agree with that < 1305216420 641791 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my use case for Haskell is probably not typical < 1305216420 736799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed, I wrote it by hand < 1305216432 284332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle unique < 1305216432 398944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Unique < 1305216432 480241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Unique data Unique < 1305216432 480391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Unique hashUnique :: Unique -> Int < 1305216442 293159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I even wrote member by hand, but I think mostly because I didn't know what it was called < 1305216448 691741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty nub < 1305216449 323739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] < 1305216450 952436 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty elem < 1305216451 614397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => a -> [a] -> Bool < 1305216474 529580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wanted something that deleted all items from a list that were the same as items that had occured previously in the list < 1305216480 62103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [a] < 1305216480 189159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude cycle :: [a] -> [a] < 1305216480 271023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude init :: [a] -> [a] < 1305216480 353063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude reverse :: [a] -> [a] < 1305216483 360946 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nub < 1305216490 432585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah, is that what it's called? < 1305216491 169423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nub indeed < 1305216494 418019 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically write my own map functions in Haskell < 1305216510 307469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nub [1,2,1,4,3,1,5,2,4,3,1,2,5,4,3] < 1305216510 954604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,3,5] < 1305216512 372576 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty map head . sort . group < 1305216513 13579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => [a] -> [a] < 1305216522 158852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other thing that catches me out a lot is that OCaml uses ; not , as a list separator < 1305216526 949371 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, group . sort < 1305216534 898644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that [1,2] is perfectly legal, and means [(1,2)] < 1305216544 768005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a one-element list of tuples < 1305216561 897518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you should be aware that many of haskell's list functions have optimization rules < 1305216567 507064 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML's syntax does not appeal to me < 1305216587 598522 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er - I misspoke previously < 1305216595 548899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing I find myself doing a lot is having computations which are clearly monad-based, but as I'm in OCaml, doing it by hand using the definitions from the List monad < 1305216611 122637 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically define my own mapping data structures in Haskell < 1305216614 954055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305216636 581177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I tend to define fmap for my own structures if it fits < 1305216641 7254 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "Cafeteria See Your Food" < 1305216661 298451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : in fact, I even wrote member by hand, but I think mostly because I didn't know what it was called <-- sounds like you really need to learn to use hoogle :D < 1305216670 165958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that only works when online < 1305216673 823464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically don't program when online < 1305216678 270180 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305216683 951729 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t member < 1305216684 594812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `member' < 1305216697 426236 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle member < 1305216697 525635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap member :: Key -> IntMap a -> Bool < 1305216697 609479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntSet member :: Int -> IntSet -> Bool < 1305216697 691742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map member :: Ord k => k -> Map k a -> Bool < 1305216703 673208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, all this work on compilers I've been doing recently (that's where the scary type signature from above comes from) has lead to an esolang idea < 1305216745 857779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically taking dependent typing to the extreme, and hoping the resulting language is TC adding nothing extra but a combined lambda/switch statement < 1305216758 606683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear it may even end up computable < 1305216763 75898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uncomputable < 1305216785 360906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more likely, the language itself TC, but the type system uncomputable < 1305216787 965361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would just be bizarre < 1305216852 187102 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of all dependent types which are provably finite < 1305216856 707754 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1305216863 246429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Functor t => FunctorM t where < 1305216864 566048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fmapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (t a) -> m (t b) < 1305216869 432789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out why I wrote that < 1305216875 253193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I needed to cross fmap and mapM < 1305216878 838887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the library didn't obviously have it < 1305216881 658839 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems most of the research in type systems is to find type systems which are *decidable*, so finding ones that are undecidable probably is not difficult < 1305216888 724108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (t a) -> m (t b) < 1305216888 974163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable mapM :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b) < 1305216889 56182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable forM :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => t a -> (a -> m b) -> m (t b) < 1305216889 138173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1305216917 499851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I was reinventing Data.Traversable < 1305216940 131983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on the obvious basis that functors don't have to have a natural order < 1305216965 83769 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always repeat yourself always repeat yourself < 1305216977 285082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't be added to Functor generally, even though it would be useful < 1305216989 285101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I read an actual paper about monads in the mathematical sense < 1305216993 966714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was surprisingly like Haskell < 1305217086 466184 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :purity is useful if you want your program to be math < 1305217154 782850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305217180 727358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not always, some mathematical algorithms are described in terms of inherently imperative ideas < 1305217187 425206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the one above, which uses two stacks < 1305217192 348534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think INTERCAL is the only program which has scopes that work like that, and it doesn't use indentation for scoping < 1305217207 793419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think SML has that local ... in ... thing which might fit < 1305217214 27075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still not indented) < 1305217223 157000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a bit ridiculous that I even need an algorithm to find strongly connected components in a directed graph in a compiler...) < 1305217233 999522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, INTERCAL's scoping rules are different < 1305217235 460476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is that backwards < 1305217249 436104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood < 1305217261 143236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule with INTERCAL, is that the scopes of different variables don't have to nest well, or indeed have any relation to each other < 1305217308 557190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean with STASH etc.? < 1305217331 625565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's not lexical < 1305217381 325276 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inherently imperative"? I dunno about that concept... < 1305217390 517663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it's technically a form of dynamic scoping < 1305217447 461048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and barely that, since you don't have to leave the scope in a consistent place even for a single variable iirc < 1305217473 967917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be used that way < 1305217597 900954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't enforce well-nesting < 1305217606 523719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see why that's intrinsically necessary for dynamic scoping < 1305217608 225976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a good idea < 1305217768 986037 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a filesystem where entire subtrees could be made read-only atomically < 1305217785 102299 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would help me feel better about "sudo make install" < 1305217846 567945 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, even then, there's usually a collection of files spread out across the system, like the binary in bin, and conf files in etc < 1305217855 972316 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305217861 425805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use fakeroot or something < 1305217898 914734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hm downright might be a good language for your java suite < 1305217925 186619 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually install stuff into my home dir, but there's always these silly projects that expect their dependencies in a 'systemwide' place < 1305217963 913243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally install stuff in a dir parallel to the build < 1305217964 803588 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: link? also, it's too late: it's already in java :) < 1305217984 68905 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the next step is to release the source < 1305217991 214149 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let people tear it apart cruelly < 1305217998 157017 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1305218000 276438 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: um downright is ais523's latest 2d-and-some esolang < 1305218004 390555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://esolangs.org/wiki/DownRight < 1305218010 550557 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh ok' < 1305218013 922646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan was suggesting implementing DownRight in the suite, not the suite in DownRight < 1305218028 346149 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was some new "JVM language" that yoob could be reimplemented in. gotcha < 1305218029 672050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1305218047 87025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written a JVM-based language < 1305218196 469777 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoiks. ok... < 1305218268 571424 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "matrix of strings" is a little bit of a stretch for yoob's UI, but since they don't change, that makes it easier < 1305218565 266805 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok, even large birds? < 1305218586 163025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your discussion has a disturbing lack of vultures < 1305218846 294090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but they are cute! < 1305218861 577941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely! < 1305219203 519084 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :epsoderrick puggammin laggages < 1305219290 576338 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand sometimes Data.Map is just what I need because I am teh lazy < 1305219305 563048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Data.Map is not lazy! < 1305219309 755925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strict in the spine < 1305219357 877909 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because I am teh GOLDBRICKERS < 1305219654 661817 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell, a malingering functional language" < 1305219709 868734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ma is lingering < 1305219767 375896 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re maps: although, I do tend to write recursive functions which consume a list, over using folds, too.) < 1305219796 801960 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Conquest, War, Famine, Death and Herring Pasta | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1305219809 125635 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... i don't care about efficiency. i care about a certain kind of readabilty. < 1305219814 470052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very disturbing pasta < 1305219831 439706 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is a sign of the apocalypse. < 1305219832 412671 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using map, foldlrlr and such detract from the readability, because you have to know what all those li'l bastards do < 1305219910 181657 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is ironistical, since they're supposed to in fact add to the readability, precisely because you then immediately know what they actually do. < 1305219933 146428 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unique < 1305219933 799138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `unique' < 1305219979 764870 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nolo contendere < 1305219990 946979 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what do you want? < 1305220006 569516 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pony < 1305220007 746442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already established there is no function by that name < 1305220022 33308 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just a demonstration < 1305220049 533250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that nub was what was originally intended by it < 1305220077 190771 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... do I really have to explain my choreography? < 1305220146 725240 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t no < 1305220147 376405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `no' < 1305220157 273386 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldlololololr < 1305221873 551117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :War, Famine, Pasta-lence and Death < 1305221909 52052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pasta-lents < 1305224171 836738 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305224262 611371 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305226007 337982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : in fact, I even wrote member by hand, but I think mostly because I didn't know what it was called <-- sounds like you really need to learn to use hoogle :D < 1305226007 458506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: that only works when online < 1305226008 923617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I typically don't program when online < 1305226011 31692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal install hoogle < 1305226151 143187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : using map, foldlrlr and such detract from the readability, because you have to know what all those li'l bastards do < 1305226154 210048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more readable than recursion. < 1305226201 207152 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping < 1305226219 406462 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ping < 1305226224 326255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion versus vocabulary, i guess < 1305226294 96809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnop < 1305226333 907508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: recursion is low-level, like goto :) < 1305226339 537956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for loops < 1305226342 583657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to understand vocabulary you just have to understand vocabulary, while to understand recursion you first have to understand recursion < 1305226439 987990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm, I typically work out which of foldl and foldr I need by experiment < 1305226442 679834 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't change < 1305226477 164314 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Type system: The type system is formally an enhanced version of the typed lambda calculus plus pattern matching." < 1305226481 998452 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because -- why pretend < 1305226530 46894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend what < 1305226542 315712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if the operation is associative, then you just use foldr if you need to handle infinite lists :P < 1305226558 320144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess ocaml forbids you from having those ;D < 1305226561 638250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is in OCaml < 1305226711 198193 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I don't know, because there is no such thing as "*the* typed lambda calculus" from what I see < 1305226746 673056 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant "why pretend your type system is anything except another programming language" < 1305226818 802216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who pretends that? < 1305226824 314972 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is "the simply typed lambda calculus" < 1305226849 587987 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a typed lambda calculus for any adjective. < 1305226854 136561 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*adverb < 1305226857 954200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the regular lambda calculus is a bad language for a type system < 1305226860 31994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a heap of extensions < 1305226891 111610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305226893 481311 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they probably meant "simply" but left it out < 1305226912 222892 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows. i can't clone their git repo off github using their instructions. < 1305226935 860086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could also mean hindley/damas-milner < 1305226949 290822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :old git version? < 1305226976 232678 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, their instructions are wack < 1305226995 433257 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :github has ones thatw ork < 1305227009 640046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1305227031 511371 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :felix < 1305227044 121260 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make you run git submodule commands in order to build it! < 1305227049 608909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes? < 1305227063 464659 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need Python 3 < 1305227066 69529 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fanTAStic < 1305227135 948769 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND OCAML! < 1305227166 806494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Also, its not that the execution is meaningful up to the point where undefined behavior happens: the bad effects can actually precede the undefined operation." < 1305227174 706670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1305227205 961730 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my kind of execution model < 1305227214 978636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use undefined behavior, the program may prevent the big bang from happening! < 1305227235 953790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn < 1305227249 905524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously Gregor doesn't like that < 1305227259 40426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why is that quote surprising < 1305227285 305583 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305227313 300464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do bad effects precede the undefined operation? Is that just a theoretical idea, or can it actually happen in real implementations? < 1305227325 120531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Consider optimisations. < 1305227340 993990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1305227384 479237 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a miracle that the universe has survived the invention of C, really < 1305227787 590353 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I should probably implement an esolang in such a way that it requires both Pure and Felix to be installed, in order to build. < 1305227821 353434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :build system in felix, testing system in pure < 1305227835 69422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the tests mandatory somehow < 1305228029 481688 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many pathological perversions, so little time. < 1305228032 458553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[For example a C implementation has undefined behavior when: < 1305228032 690552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : An unmatched ‘ or ” character is encountered on a logical source line during tokenization.]] < 1305228035 223400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305228041 768834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta make that into a feature somehow < 1305228063 256377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can use ' in names, but only if you don't use character constants on the same line, and as long as you have an odd number of 's" < 1305228077 133033 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a C compiler that starts interpreting the file as iag source after that point < 1305228338 705255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use of an uninitialized variable: This is commonly known as source of problems in C programs and there are many tools to catch these: from compiler warnings to static and dynamic analyzers. This improves performance by not requiring that all variables be zero initialized when they come into scope (as Java does). For most scalar variables, this would cause little overhead, but stack arrays and malloc'd memory would incur a memset of the stora < 1305228338 842889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ge, which could be quite costly, particularly since the storage is usually completely overwritten." < 1305228375 674081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another solution: Make the language simply fail to compile if there's an unini... well, C can't be modified that way that easily, I guess < 1305228392 323525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/language/file/ < 1305228397 614182 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Werror -Wno-uninitialized-somethingth < 1305228413 921827 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure gcc can do that < 1305228446 711115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, that's a compile-time cost, not a runtime cost, so why not have the standard do that? < 1305228467 824609 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can stil get around it < 1305228514 826842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (never_true) x = 9; < 1305228515 760616 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ int a; if (/* ...*/) { a = 0; } printf("%s", a); } < 1305228515 889593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return x; < 1305228519 861261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305228565 462793 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh, man, shaving off that instruction to zero out a when it wasn't really necessary < 1305228570 162495 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST OPTOMIZE < 1305228584 708355 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one instruction TOOK TIME that you'll NEVER HAVE BACK < 1305228590 258585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_is_not_written_in_terse < 1305228634 588055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:04:10: Vorpal: Well, that was most of the story already, though I also did patch ircii to say "PING? PONG!" whenever the server pinged, so I could choose to do the disconnection immediately after a previous ping. < 1305228641 792524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You could ping the server instead; that works at least on freenode. < 1305228671 561113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so this was in the 90s but STILL. < 1305228721 453077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, sending anything at all works on Freenode < 1305228730 438410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not certain that other ircds work like that < 1305228809 278976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305228875 609576 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1305228951 122589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was reading this article about undefined behaviour again (it's old, and may have been mentioned here before: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/213) < 1305228958 373070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then noticed the first post was by Michael Norrish < 1305228961 368843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a little surprising < 1305228994 328346 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305229096 273658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anyone understands the GCC build system < 1305229209 381865 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DEAR GOD KILL IT WITH FIRE < 1305229229 904197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that pikhq is it... < 1305229239 65374 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, GCC's build system. < 1305229242 314105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL IT WITH FIRE < 1305229272 469641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what asdf is like < 1305229297 720678 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"asdf" refers to something beyond slapping a keyboard in disgust? < 1305229314 245734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305229324 956425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I vaguely understand some of it < 1305229337 898662 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely needs replaced. < 1305229340 925065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/ < 1305229343 211009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my only method of tweaking it was to run it halfway through, then run a Perl script over some generated files, then complete it < 1305229358 140117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also gave me a huge catalogue of things to avoid when writing C-INTERCAL's, which solves much the same problem a lot better < 1305229381 938825 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glibc's is perhaps worse. < 1305229382 641059 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305229384 519633 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is roughly what Common Lisp hackers use to build software where C hackers would use say GNU Make. " < 1305229422 784724 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc uses hand-written recursive Make. < 1305229424 767309 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With autoconf. < 1305229476 438327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, is that very quotable for you? < 1305229479 375107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, asdf < 1305229480 42984 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf < 1305229482 724770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's a terrible analogy < 1305229487 937417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually more like a package manager and module system combined < 1305229494 781966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a build system < 1305229497 975645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1305229500 86389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of complicated < 1305229501 642180 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as its hackers using it < 1305229602 157516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to wonder about "another". Was there an earlier system in use before asdf took hold, or was there competition like OO systems for Scheme? < 1305229622 62553 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember: friends don't let friends recursive make. < 1305229644 747806 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a beautiful esolang here but it doesn't work because two-dimensional space doesn't have the properties i need or something < 1305229686 459479 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not true < 1305229693 295036 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to twist my head more < 1305229727 812046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey's head exploding in 1, 2, ... < 1305229882 940852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverses the clock battery < 1305229899 79251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey's head exploding in 3, 2, ... < 1305229955 393664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken or Racket? < 1305229961 204274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how to decide < 1305230065 935835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you trying to lay an egg or hit a tennis ball? < 1305230102 468838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305230162 858845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously one of his evil schemes < 1305230199 815216 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be even eviller if it required both < 1305230226 111743 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls up the SPCA < 1305230349 872743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken tennis < 1305230362 871967 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original badminton < 1305230395 404469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is surprisingly difficult to find an up-to-date comparison of various Schemes < 1305230425 911838 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gatherer.wizards.com < 1305230443 496941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did see one table, but considering that it had TCO as a column, I can only assume it's older than dirt) < 1305230463 764749 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am teh confused < 1305230477 147864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, took me a minute to remember that Scheme is ... something to do wiith MtG < 1305230491 206479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, it's a special card type? For use in certain formats, or what? < 1305230529 554418 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for use in an official multiplayer variant < 1305230555 109379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1305230583 12329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm right in assuming I had no school today < 1305230613 329769 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a new Scheme / One that won't make me sick / One that won't make me crash my cdr / Or make me feel three feet thick < 1305230655 894874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rplacd, check < 1305230676 886810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where oes the name rplacd come from, anyway? < 1305230688 759525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I think CLers these days just use setf instead < 1305230694 472145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's CL < 1305230718 822184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*set-cdr! < 1305230729 96620 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what are you looking for in a Scheme? < 1305230739 434402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: replace c[d]r < 1305230751 806724 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to look for one that runs Scheme programs, in which case, just about any of them work < 1305230786 263769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can be used to compile, or for long-running programs that can be modified while they're running. Nice FFI < 1305230795 657860 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiii < 1305230803 617469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf is not an ffi. < 1305230818 15243 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1305230834 707944 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is ajf an asdf, i bet < 1305230843 593327 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a qwertyuiop < 1305230928 938339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but poiuy_qwert might be, if he were here < 1305230944 425076 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS POSSIBLE < 1305230964 162364 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305230971 313866 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a new esoteric language < 1305230988 844671 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas from the ideas list that appeal to any of you particularly? < 1305230998 92756 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1305231021 394175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c float a=0.0f; printf("%2x%2x%2x%2x", ((char*)a)[0], ((char*)a)[1], ((char*)a)[2], ((char*)a)[3]); < 1305231024 804732 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231032 131021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {float a=0.0f; printf("%2x%2x%2x%2x", ((char*)a)[0], ((char*)a)[1], ((char*)a)[2], ((char*)a)[3]);} < 1305231033 361821 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231041 125302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I done wrong there? < 1305231043 676080 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie you here < 1305231046 439788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, missing an & < 1305231055 735904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {float a=0.0f; printf("%2x%2x%2x%2x", ((char*)&a)[0], ((char*)&a)[1], ((char*)&a)[2], ((char*)&a)[3]);} < 1305231067 552187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) { printf("Hello world!"); return 0; } < 1305231105 82049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305231108 683010 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a C bot here? < 1305231108 819922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c asdf < 1305231109 921800 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231115 487154 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305231120 807669 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I should make a devperc bot < 1305231122 315779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is distressing < 1305231123 944779 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1305231149 131804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just checks if C compiles or not < 1305231155 137060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1305231157 388244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo < 1305231158 435779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {float a=0.0f; printf("%2x%2x%2x%2x\n", ((char*)&a)[0], ((char*)&a)[1], ((char*)&a)[2], ((char*)&a)[3]);} < 1305231164 197413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I was just describing its apparent behaviour < 1305231168 775093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding a \n because stdio caching < 1305231189 379238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't seem to help either < 1305231193 603738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) { printf("Is it legal to leave off the return like that?\n"); return 0; } < 1305231199 843768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is in C99 < 1305231200 995293 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("EGOBOT IS A FATTY FATTY FAT FAT"); < 1305231202 812060 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​EGOBOT IS A FATTY FATTY FAT FAT < 1305231204 100067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only from main < 1305231207 921851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no int main() stuff? < 1305231208 400015 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you have rather uncompromising requirements. I don't know if you'll find a Scheme with all three of those. < 1305231214 895417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c float a=0.0f; printf("%2x%2x%2x%2x\n", ((char*)&a)[0], ((char*)&a)[1], ((char*)&a)[2], ((char*)&a)[3]); < 1305231216 779204 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0 0 0 0 < 1305231223 556547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so 0.0f /is/ all-bits-zero? < 1305231225 586366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think both Chicken and Racket fit. < 1305231234 904615 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c parse_brainfuck("?"); < 1305231236 787135 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231249 169765 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you EgoBot y u no support brainfuck < 1305231258 588542 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more brainfuck < 1305231260 673634 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1305231261 818722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[.+] < 1305231262 63357 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​........ < 1305231262 856462 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket (/MzScheme) apparently has OK FFI, but I didn't know it even had a compiler < 1305231268 946540 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305231271 30255 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305231275 81202 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf [] < 1305231286 197706 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken is reputedly a fine compiler, but I don't know anything about its FFI < 1305231289 628251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, um, well, at least there's a "Make Executable" option in DrRacket < 1305231318 588694 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf [.>] < 1305231320 700759 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make Executable" doesn't necessarily compile any code -- it can just link an interpreter together with the source < 1305231341 499001 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if that's what Racket does, but for other languages, that's the case < 1305231350 173505 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf [.+] < 1305231361 555375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it just checks if C compiles or not < 1305231362 319283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1305231363 370299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs it. < 1305231374 899505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c puts("asdkjaf"); < 1305231375 674109 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-] < 1305231375 986769 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Hello < 1305231376 132218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was remarking on the fact that nobody had got anything to happen but compile errors < 1305231376 846029 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​asdkjaf < 1305231379 134086 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1305231385 52523 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305231391 274150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, no int main() stuff? < 1305231392 450884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that < 1305231394 789824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why it isn't working < 1305231410 315731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's checking for "int main()" literally, and I put (void) in the parens out of correctnes < 1305231411 887206 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf [+]. < 1305231433 866658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main() { printf("Checking ais523's hypothesis\n"); return 0; } < 1305231435 867746 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Checking ais523's hypothesis < 1305231446 232431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not correctness < 1305231450 382261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are identical in a definition < 1305231457 264654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in ANSI C /declarations/ that they differ < 1305231461 302367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) { printf("Checking ais523's hypothesis\n"); return 0; } < 1305231463 586217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and () is still perfectly valid, it just means something subtly different < 1305231464 619186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^just in case < 1305231469 128717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can change the calling convention < 1305231479 729822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1305231508 468635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void main() { printf("Wouldn't it be funny if it allowed this?\n"); } < 1305231523 797399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1305231527 90090 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\134ACTION hates all of you"); < 1305231529 56947 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ACTION hates all of you < 1305231539 323921 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof void); < 1305231540 552020 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231549 122233 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof int); < 1305231550 283168 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231558 133689 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my C that rusty? < 1305231565 659895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof(void*)); < 1305231566 743330 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​8 < 1305231581 684703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you need parens around the name of a type < 1305231582 235638 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof(int)); < 1305231583 262172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof(int)); < 1305231584 119668 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4 < 1305231585 85470 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4 < 1305231585 663234 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\001ACTION hates all of you"); < 1305231587 564465 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION hates all of you < 1305231587 661470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: you need parens around the name of a type < 1305231588 767265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1305231593 362598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\1ACTION hates all of you"); < 1305231594 992812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: inside sizeof, at least < 1305231595 287099 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION hates all of you < 1305231597 817484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305231601 807513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it just "sizeof x" that's valid < 1305231605 869767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has to be "sizeof (int)"? < 1305231607 257610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really weird < 1305231607 898477 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%cACTION hates all of you",1); < 1305231609 906530 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION hates all of you < 1305231610 223536 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so stupid < 1305231615 937976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof 0); < 1305231616 130028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\u0001ACTION hates all of you"); < 1305231617 230668 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231618 1883 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4 < 1305231625 360165 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a handful of things in C that are that stupid, so, ok < 1305231629 83110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what's wrong with my \u there? < 1305231637 634123 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\001ACTION hates all of you\001",1); < 1305231639 562117 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION hates all of you. < 1305231639 736899 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int x; printf("%d", sizeof x); < 1305231641 580749 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4 < 1305231650 351170 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot y u no allow "\u0001" < 1305231664 659958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\001 shouldn't be turning into . unless EgoBot's deliberately filtering output, I think < 1305231665 704028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop using that fucking meme < 1305231667 719653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +. < 1305231668 58712 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1305231673 471311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is deliberately filtering it < 1305231678 639994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS have you been asleep the past forever days < 1305231680 53761 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c putchar(1); printf("ACTION hates all of you"); putchar(1); < 1305231681 810674 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION hates all of you. < 1305231686 473165 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1305231691 306828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had to do it? < 1305231691 740753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it won't work < 1305231695 71864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all dense X_X < 1305231698 86857 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1305231701 945981 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305231719 482717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not dense! < 1305231728 131037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a\u2C22a = 4; printf("%d\n", a\u2C22a); < 1305231729 308807 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231736 787199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: do you not even support C94? < 1305231747 365220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305231752 97043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gnu99 IIRC < 1305231759 603160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the \u stuff is the Unicode version of trigraphs, really) < 1305231772 806407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glagolitic capital letter spidery ha /is/ a letter, right? it even says so in its name < 1305231781 765568 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c #include main() { while(1){ fork(); } } < 1305231820 79411 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c #include main() { while(1){ fork(); printf("Forked!"); } } < 1305231821 180366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I get parse errors from both GCC and clang on the declaration < 1305231821 460471 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char s??(10??); printf("%s", s); < 1305231822 611537 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231826 521414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it only Java where you can do that? < 1305231836 449038 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c #include while(1){ fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231838 455075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe so, ais523 < 1305231842 541633 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305231847 483311 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C uses 8-bit strings < 1305231849 318239 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char s??(10??); < 1305231850 526049 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305231856 346585 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no trigraphs at all, eh < 1305231863 880008 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c fork(); printf("Forked!"); < 1305231864 946576 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked! < 1305231870 926540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick Internet search implies it's legal in at least C++ < 1305231875 459057 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c while(1) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231882 455365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even g++ doesn't like it < 1305231910 363030 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 25; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231912 242147 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked! < 1305231923 674865 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 500; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231939 821791 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot y u no fork < 1305231944 323332 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231946 192462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ g++ test.c < 1305231946 396391 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231947 509478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.c:1: error: stray ‘\’ in program < 1305231948 955353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.c:1: error: expected initializer before ‘u2C22a’ < 1305231951 633152 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231952 190076 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231952 474795 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231952 845763 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231953 312691 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231953 910876 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231955 224693 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's in C99, at least; "Universal character names [of the \u hex-quad and \U hex-quad hex-quad variety] may be used in identifiers, character constants and string literals ..." < 1305231955 663797 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231957 696294 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231958 254363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231960 430261 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231960 701799 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231962 708233 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231962 789985 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egads < 1305231963 130914 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231965 164012 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231965 756821 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231967 895845 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231968 136507 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231970 232581 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231970 759380 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { fork(); printf("Forked!"); } < 1305231972 174212 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you please stop that? < 1305231972 860532 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305231973 244086 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1305231974 776857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep, I just checked C++96 < 1305231975 664723 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaa < 1305231983 353797 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO I STOP IT?! < 1305231985 228006 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305231990 240656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: it's not really a forkbomb if you have to do it manually < 1305231991 789603 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You stop it by stopping saying it. < 1305231998 656267 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true < 1305232003 673678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, g++ is definitely misparsing that < 1305232004 757579 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1305232018 140623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to parse it as \ followed by u2C22a < 1305232040 178768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Clang is counting the \ as a separate token too < 1305232048 113752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any compilers get that right? < 1305232082 941273 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { if (fork()==0){while(1){fork();}}else{printf("Forked!");}} < 1305232084 992547 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305232093 706605 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeaaah < 1305232097 728056 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORKBOMBS < 1305232126 457887 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { if (fork()==0){while(1){fork();}}else{printf("Forked!");}} < 1305232128 551844 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305232146 537302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hasn't it broke yet? :< < 1305232184 324239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more bizarre: https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/seccode/PRE30-C.+Do+not+create+a+universal+character+name+through+concatenation implies that \u0401 works on gcc, but I just tested it and it doesn't < 1305232191 200416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: because the processes are getting killed < 1305232197 301122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by EgoBot's anti-stupidity sandbox < 1305232213 922844 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it detects stupidity and kills it < 1305232218 310423 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1305232219 322343 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305232223 707065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1305232231 884361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket's format doesn't have ~{ and ~}? < 1305232233 959269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a sad < 1305232240 933675 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { if (fork()==0){while(1){fork(); print("Don't worry I'm not stupid. Honest. Please :<");}}else{printf("Forked!");}} < 1305232242 894838 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305232251 740843 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { if (fork()==0){while(1){fork(); printf("Don't worry I'm not stupid. Honest. Please :<");}}else{printf("Forked!");}} < 1305232253 949942 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305232262 995942 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: muahahahaha < 1305232320 49007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the evil laugh? < 1305232329 150467 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1305232342 531630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : even more bizarre: https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/seccode/PRE30-C.+Do+not+create+a+universal+character+name+through+concatenation implies that \u0401 works on gcc, but I just tested it and it doesn't < 1305232343 742396 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may break the sandbox < 1305232348 295890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe GNU C lacks it specifically for some reason < 1305232348 570805 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can convince it < 1305232352 727696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's weird, GNU C is just extensions < 1305232364 170935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: wrong. < 1305232375 48949 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { if (fork()==0){while(1){fork(); printf("I AM NOT STUPID. REALLY. YOU CAN BELIEVE ME. I AM SANE. SEE!");}}else{printf("Forked!");}} < 1305232377 164912 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Forked!Fo < 1305232399 51243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: you're about the twentieth person to try and break the well-tested sandboxing system EgoBot uses < 1305232400 478740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck :P < 1305232404 888158 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { printf("nya"); } < 1305232406 747058 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanya < 1305232431 275187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you possibly do the noisy stuff in a privmsg? < 1305232448 377914 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { if (fork()==0){while(1){fork(); printf("---");}}else putchar('f');} < 1305232450 192813 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ffffffffff < 1305232452 818453 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { printf("nya"); } printf("cat"); < 1305232453 463741 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A non-channel privmsg if you want to be pedantic about it.) < 1305232454 760198 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyacat < 1305232456 330178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to make an executable with Racket < 1305232459 643251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very trivial thing < 1305232467 635136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's 4.5MB < 1305232478 74530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's only supposed to be able to run on my machine, so < 1305232505 253535 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) { printf("nya"); } printf("ncat"); < 1305232507 297411 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyancat < 1305232519 773219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1894499 this is 4.5MB < 1305232538 720461 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yup < 1305232569 171185 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would bet what you have there is a copy of the Racket interpretr with that code just kind of slapped in < 1305232578 585558 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "GCC currently only permits universal character names if -fextended-identifiers is used, because the implementation of universal character names in identifiers is experimental." < 1305232585 194871 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's good enough for what you want to do, though, go for it < 1305232592 96596 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; printf("http://reddit.com/r/"); for (i = 0; i < 7; ++i) { printf("f"); } for (i = 0; i < 12; ++i) { printf("u"); } printf("/"); < 1305232593 875204 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/ < 1305232594 42045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good to know < 1305232605 297307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: 7 then 12, is it? < 1305232612 472611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's defined numbers, I just can never remember what they are < 1305232613 52826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305232623 251708 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: f7u12 < 1305232624 587174 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1305232644 74999 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that easy to remember < 1305232648 282779 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305232812 769149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the version for distribution results in a .zip file, which contains a .exe and some .dlls < 1305232983 131754 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305233060 226524 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char i; for (i = 0; i < 256; ++i) { putchar(i); } < 1305233088 459695 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i < 256; ++i) { putchar(i); } < 1305233117 357971 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = '\n'; i < 256; ++i) { putchar(i); } < 1305233125 412314 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 'A'; i < 256; ++i) { putchar(i); } < 1305233127 221413 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ < 1305233157 293778 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1305233196 588745 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = ' '; i < 256; ++i) { putchar(i); } < 1305233198 196395 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ < 1305233207 175718 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY < 1305233225 347330 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = ' '; i <= '~'; ++i) { putchar(i); } < 1305233227 236696 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ < 1305233236 982352 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay full printable characters < 1305233262 879192 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = ' '; i <= '~'; ++i) { putchar(i % 7); } < 1305233264 880076 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​... < 1305233277 613880 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305233303 236042 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i <= '~'-' '; ++i) { putchar(i % 7+' '); } < 1305233305 110834 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"#$%& !"# < 1305233312 288084 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1305233396 180466 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Note: the above is undefined behavior, and the compiler would be entirely correct in killing you and all that you love. < 1305233423 361239 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's undefined about that? < 1305233450 842029 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic on characters. < 1305233457 843257 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware < 1305233477 145124 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't care in the slightest < 1305233487 97073 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i <= '~'-' '; ++i) { putchar(i % '\n'+' '); } < 1305233489 4921 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$%&'() !"#$ < 1305233510 235016 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i; for (i = 0; i <= '~'-' '; ++i) { putchar(i % 17+' '); } < 1305233512 241392 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%&'()*+,-./0 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0 !"#$%&'() < 1305233514 823839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305233517 498573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it UB? < 1305233520 309540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it just had unspecified results < 1305233524 780128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from digits < 1305233528 681784 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, you are right < 1305233530 346726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are contiguous < 1305233532 472341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it's not actually UB. < 1305233533 800390 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and digits are unspecified too < 1305233566 447660 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, IBM's horribe EBCDIC also has '0' to '9' contiguous < 1305233572 568314 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it is not portable code < 1305233583 594822 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portable across machines, but not charsets < 1305233608 529525 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who uses charsets without an ASCII subset these days, anyways? < 1305233621 903227 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sane person < 1305233625 218364 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except IBM < 1305233629 766733 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait they aren't sane < 1305233633 770395 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my statement holds true < 1305233661 483277 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless backwards compatibility is needed, they're using UTF-16. < 1305233667 148732 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on mainframes. < 1305233682 975303 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1305233687 13206 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF something < 1305233692 149525 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16. < 1305233697 483250 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be 32 or 8 in some cases < 1305233708 575429 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true. < 1305233718 106814 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they never really use UTF-EBCDIC. Go figure. < 1305233719 516252 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Japn < 1305233727 412796 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japn‽ < 1305233727 594893 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use SHIFT-JIS < 1305233730 359462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JAPN < 1305233734 287276 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*JAPAN < 1305233738 830765 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1305233750 833049 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-JIS is outmoded in Japan, anyways. < 1305233759 20216 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still widely usd < 1305233761 313863 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305233774 67967 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Not to mention* it was designed specifically to have an ASCII subset. < 1305233777 850737 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Han unification < 1305233786 459085 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, a JIS X 0201 subset) < 1305233802 964687 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which itself has an ASCII subset) < 1305233832 188598 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: There are no current OSes that use Shift-JIS. < 1305233878 376644 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct, but many web pages are encoded in it < 1305233889 321825 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And legacy applications < 1305233892 519675 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :日本はShiftJISをする < 1305233904 800629 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leaves it as a *legacy charset*. < 1305233908 219281 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. outmoded. < 1305233910 404808 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1305233916 740548 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However some CHOOSE to use it. < 1305233922 457302 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Han Unification < 1305233930 955223 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a piss-poor reason. < 1305233953 577614 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Felix... can't seem to... read from stdin. < 1305233991 160404 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially considering that Shift-JIS refers to a JIS encoding standard which defines its characters in terms of Unicode codepoints, meaning that Shift-JIS also has Han unification. < 1305234017 588306 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, NOW it can. what did i change? < 1305234043 152254 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH OH OH < 1305234056 717271 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you never use the variable in which you stored the input, it gets OPTOMIZED AWAY < 1305234077 890461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305234080 771253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1305234235 426841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Oh, yeah, and there's the nice property that Shift-JIS is a motherfucking *terrible* character encoding. < 1305234245 367730 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr < 1305234265 844365 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305234278 722389 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIS defines its chars in terms of Unicode codepoints? < 1305234279 790372 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305234287 642528 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound's like china's charset < 1305234288 935532 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't originally, but it does now. < 1305234296 671784 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really just a Unicode transformation < 1305234306 302058 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The JIS charsets are *defined as* subsets of Unicode. < 1305234328 83277 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue it works in reverse < 1305234339 52611 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode was based on other charsets < 1305234350 611412 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm aware. < 1305234406 993961 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined such that converting into Unicode has an inverse, for any used charset. < 1305234419 380942 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305234429 157389 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of that inverse is "untranslatable" though < 1305234467 376138 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that if you convert a string into Unicode, you can then convert that exact string back *from* Unicode. < 1305234507 258965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, converting arbitrary strings from Unicode and then back is not really feasible. < 1305234539 861261 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want Unicode to be a subset of ASCII, that is. :P < 1305234546 240686 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305234610 181777 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should make a version of whitespace that uses all unicode spacing chars < 1305234619 842704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to wonder why JIS X 0208 stuck ¥ in the space where \ usually goes < 1305234629 273799 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/208/201/ < 1305234645 33685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that windows users could enjoy really fun paths < 1305234652 150256 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1305234655 975775 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 201 < 1305234676 283496 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space restrictions I'd guess < 1305234681 126901 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: such a language already exissts I believe < 1305234700 890329 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unispace < 1305234705 146606 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: No, there's actually a lot of unusued space. < 1305234713 91661 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305234716 849897 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "a lot" in the context of an 8 bit encoding. < 1305234731 433971 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's not exclusively unicode, it still has ascii space and newline in it < 1305234770 785585 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I meant < 1305234779 858046 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant utilize all spacing characters in unicode < 1305234783 976607 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the ascii ones < 1305234787 425840 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does what I want < 1305234956 47910 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, today I implemented Deadfish in Pure and Felix, and it made me want to do extremely nasty things to all programming language designers and maintainers the world over. < 1305235082 569469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ templates are the best language < 1305235094 168597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What's wrong with Pure though? < 1305235097 967161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with it was pleasant. < 1305235111 730126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(printf "%s " ">>>") < 1305235114 839852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems a little... redundant. < 1305235147 392315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Versus (printf ">>> ") that is. < 1305235151 552993 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as much as is wrong with Felix, that's for sure < 1305235158 695758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main a = (printf "%s " ">>>") $$ (main (fish (limit a) (gets))); < 1305235159 34428 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, try it! < 1305235161 971136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this could be < 1305235168 724533 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it could be shorter < 1305235173 613171 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not golfing, here < 1305235173 980224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main a = printf ">>> " $$ main (fish (limit a) gets) < 1305235175 597041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or such < 1305235180 191630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm just talking about readability < 1305235183 766345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The excessive parents are kind of ugly. < 1305235189 600987 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf with one argument seems to not exist < 1305235196 223363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's puts or similar < 1305235198 735312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit a = if a == 256 || a < 0 then 0 else a; < 1305235201 767920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think Pure has guards too < 1305235203 615726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so sure about that, though < 1305235205 36687 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts appends a newline iirc < 1305235218 207500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish a "o" = a when puts (str a) end; <-- More nitpicking, but isn't "when" used for guards?? < 1305235226 967013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems weird to use it for incidental effects but I dunno < 1305235227 48393 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably. feel free to further, uh, Pure-ify it :) < 1305235231 903248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no Pure programmer :P < 1305235236 599086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll play around with it though < 1305235242 477653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope Pure has a binary < 1305235249 801006 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual said 'when' could be used like that :) < 1305235263 343271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, then it's probably idyomatticke. < 1305235269 174717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, only Windows binaries. < 1305235289 607068 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't *encourage* that use, but... yes. < 1305235384 181665 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the main thing about both of them (but especially Felix) is that input and output (especially input) are an afterthought. Hey, let's just wrap the C API. And let's not really document it. Who would want to read input from a user, anyway? < 1305235498 114103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305235502 94632 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile i'm designing esolangs in which I can't figure out how to accomplish useful recursion :/ < 1305235542 562560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht < 1305235546 82976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try doing input in C++ templates < 1305235553 732482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PROGRAM i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,o,s,i,o,i,i,i,i,i,i,i,s,s,s,o < 1305235555 91460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i get < 1305235611 203913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305235721 639087 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the designers of the C++ template really should have done a better job considering input < 1305235726 678716 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*template system < 1305235829 123375 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305235902 173767 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too < 1305236098 580792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you forgot to add downright to the language list btw < 1305236116 588033 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses require import using include! < 1305236120 695767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, OK < 1305236126 756446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it myself if nobody else does first < 1305236149 216452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, we do not have a mathematica Deadfish < 1305236162 818598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm assuming mathematica even has standard input < 1305236173 416477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although arguably it should just look like Deadfish[{i,i,i,s,o}] < 1305236193 750019 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/Input.html < 1305236233 44855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"interactively reads in one Mathematica expression." < 1305236243 420206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :InputString is more like it < 1305236250 902280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :InputString[">>> "] or similar < 1305236288 135098 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I added that quote to bash.org < 1305236295 696713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305236297 490531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quote? < 1305236307 322462 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:29 < cpressey> yeah the designers of the C++ template really should have done a better job considering input < 1305236310 823264 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:29 < cpressey> *template system < 1305236311 26445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who is so delusional to think that bash ever accepts new quotes any more? :) < 1305236313 336710 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:31 < pikhq> s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236317 586569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: we have our own quote database... < 1305236320 417852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305236323 773726 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1305236333 94805 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1305236339 622208 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add it to that too < 1305236348 514290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not funny enough :P < 1305236357 72914 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol'd < 1305236358 961689 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305236374 919334 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1305236376 257263 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1305236383 422713 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully only one < 1305236393 59753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one < 1305236394 846874 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one < 1305236414 973067 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1305236416 74644 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one < 1305236426 86042 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW ITS ALL CRAZY-LIKE < 1305236427 504159 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully only two < 1305236451 114130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way that would fit on one line so i'm not even going to try and add it < 1305236452 538234 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however it works < 1305236456 615015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1305236458 243602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1305236458 334895 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​408) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1305236464 122089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah these are quality < 1305236468 36952 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-102.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305236473 11386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305236473 464407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305236473 934444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305236474 910869 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​190) It's like mathematicians, where the next step up from "trivial" is "open research question". "Nope... No...This problem can't be done AT ALL. This one--maybe, but only with two yaks and a sherpa. ..." < 1305236475 528466 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​135) like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English alise: that's great filler ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... < 1305236476 918134 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​278) mtve, now he's an expert idler. mtve: kitty kitty kitty < 1305236481 484740 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236482 842862 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​409) yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236491 803214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong formatting ;D < 1305236493 980898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236495 915791 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236496 833354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305236500 625208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote ​409 < 1305236501 673168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes < 1305236502 848907 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236507 883618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236509 745691 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​410) yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236512 81251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1305236517 983737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote ​409 < 1305236518 677798 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my name wrong < 1305236519 866686 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236522 691236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1305236524 697109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/delquote < 1305236526 525039 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/delquote < 1305236528 416865 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305236529 812753 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad < 1305236530 912687 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305236547 238822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your fake character breaks url detection here < 1305236552 727853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it even copies with it, so it wouldn't load in my browser < 1305236565 502920 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress < 1305236583 69392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ampersand please < 1305236589 488100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run delquote ​409 2>&1 < 1305236590 780684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1305236591 324748 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/hackenv.24269/bin/delquote: line 3: ​409: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "​409") < 1305236596 758379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_X < 1305236604 172777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did that break < 1305236621 142296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1305236643 921681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/[ "$((id+0))" = "$id" ]/expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1/' bin/delquote < 1305236645 511659 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236651 71490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1305236659 215353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/\[ "$((id+0))" = "$id" \]/expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1/' bin/delquote < 1305236661 87194 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236666 299833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sffkldmc < 1305236670 486344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why isn't this working < 1305236672 789475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1305236679 950533 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run stfu < 1305236681 222762 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236683 669304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run x=9; echo "$((x+9))" < 1305236685 868641 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​18 < 1305236688 448873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305236703 62885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/[ "\$((id+0))" = "\$id" ]/expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1/' bin/delquote < 1305236705 106821 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236705 413685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1305236705 949751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305236715 729924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's|[ "\$((id+0))" = "\$id" ]|expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1|' bin/delquote < 1305236717 585691 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236720 606428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oijsgdfkgfdklghlkdfgj < 1305236732 156773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bexpr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>i1n/sh < 1305236732 279442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>i1d=$1 < 1305236732 360625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2> 1"$((id+0))" = "$id" ] || exit 1 < 1305236732 360816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaexpr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>d1 -n $((id-1)) quotes >quotes.new < 1305236732 360916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taexpr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>i1l -n +$((id+1)) quotes >>quotes.new < 1305236732 899614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>d1iff quotes quotes.new >/dev/null && exit 1 < 1305236734 682400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mvexpr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2> 1quotes.new quotes < 1305236736 793195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echoexpr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2> 1'*poof*' < 1305236738 653609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1305236742 868544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1305236744 616530 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1305236755 109014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 291 < 1305236756 871461 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1305236767 74637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's|\[ "\$((id+0))" = "\$id" \]|expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1|' bin/delquote < 1305236768 966402 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236775 918890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>[ "$((id+0))" = "$id" ]1 || exit 1 < 1305236777 132587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sodjgogojgoidfgjdg < 1305236779 268933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 291 < 1305236781 501485 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1305236784 431164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's|\[ "\$((id+0))" = "\$id" \]|expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>\&1|' bin/delquote < 1305236786 410205 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236789 995796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305236793 77620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's|\[ "\$((id+0))" = "\$id" \]|expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>\&1|' bin/delquote < 1305236794 999327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1305236795 80697 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236803 68899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote ​409 < 1305236804 998363 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236807 451170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seiojgnkoiredk nioekjoighfd < 1305236810 431111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run delquote ​409 < 1305236811 952295 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305236823 158976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH HATE < 1305236869 469444 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notorious Norwegian bank robber Seiojgnkoiredk Nioekjoighfd, 49, was convicted today of... < 1305236876 195954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305236910 564037 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 409 < 1305236912 318868 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​409) yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1305236929 915588 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job < 1305236955 249459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't working < 1305236962 368063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue why -- wait < 1305236975 610967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'id=9; echo $((id+9))' < 1305236977 547729 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​18 < 1305236979 275359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :osdijfndopg < 1305237016 460635 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I learned 9+9 is 18 < 1305237177 513390 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1305237186 33846 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight. < 1305237336 716692 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a third dimension in which I can express formal and actual parameters or NO [USEFUL] RECURSION FOR ME. < 1305237367 591157 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i just need SPECIAL ARROWS < 1305237400 881588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does... does Eightebed distinguish = in an expression and a statement? < 1305237403 534522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1305237411 461703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = (a = a); < 1305237443 262037 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think so? < 1305237457 401935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, seemingly < 1305237459 491338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1305237459 572232 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 1; <-- assignment. if (a = 3) <-- equality < 1305237461 945642 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like basic < 1305237469 719099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but can you do "a = (b = c)" in BASIC? < 1305237482 525987 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1305237503 355477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I think you could use the least significant bit of the pointer as the valid flag, since all pointers are even on every OS ever < 1305237509 724640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you already do, dunno < 1305237516 148174 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1305237655 690090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's TC right? < 1305237712 24384 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, because of bounded memory, but aside from that, it should be. < 1305237718 783694 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1305237726 364256 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there is no bound on pointer size, so maybe it is < 1305237729 833890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything mandating finite pointers, yeah < 1305237735 18563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could avoid the mark phase. < 1305237775 60290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep a table; pointers are indices into this table. The table entries consist of the pointer, the valid flag, and finally, a list of (plain regular non-Eightebed) pointers to places where this pointer is referenced on the heap. < 1305237787 849392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then all you need to do is append to that list whenever you assign a variable to a pointer. < 1305237798 432237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "free" is just O(n) in the number of aliases. < 1305237807 562864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which looks even less like a garbage collector. < 1305237843 876593 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember thinking of something like that and rejecting it. < 1305237860 567532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it wouldn't work or because it's lame? :) < 1305237871 535973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait, you do not even need the list of aliases < 1305237873 727747 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the question was, how would you manage the table? < 1305237875 383215 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305237876 586342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the valid bit is in the table < 1305237889 336157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Same way any allocator works. < 1305237897 414382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a free list. < 1305237918 357552 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, feel free to implement it and see < 1305237928 594891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1305237930 794832 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done with Eightebed unless there's another hole < 1305237959 757561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could actually just store the data inline with the table, come to think of it. < 1305237965 701971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is literally like writing your own memory allocator. < 1305238049 590172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1305238059 964316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a flat memory space, then just store the valid bit before every block of memory. < 1305238066 13614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then when dereferencing, just add one to the pointer. < 1305238074 184493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even, have the bit one /before/ the data, and checking validity is just < 1305238079 855833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ([asterisk](ptr-[one])) < 1305238084 893440 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do you know you can re-use the memory? < 1305238133 572295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1305238139 262789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305238154 704220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that is problematic :) < 1305238161 85164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, in the table solution, you could never reuse table entries < 1305238170 16488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so here's the revised table solution < 1305238175 275073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the table just keeps the real pointer and all the aliases < 1305238181 333795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the indexes into the table keep the valid bit < 1305238187 972052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then free is again O(n) on number of aliases < 1305238195 380973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can reuse table entries as soon as freeing, because it's never used again < 1305238198 156271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the valid bits go off < 1305238222 263329 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple indexes into same table cell? < 1305238231 574372 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each index has its own valid bit? < 1305238250 370929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305238260 443163 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i know some other index doesn't think this table cell is still valid < 1305238271 813374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :table = map from int -> {pointer, list of aliases} < 1305238275 52049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :free(index) := { < 1305238288 704922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :detagged := detag(index) // detags the valid bit < 1305238295 470299 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-233-128.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305238297 460858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for alias in table[detagged].aliases { < 1305238312 80967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tag-as-invalid deref(alias) < 1305238313 521750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1305238318 699346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :add detagged to table-free-list < 1305238319 52619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1305238335 550367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: some other index? < 1305238339 178802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the table stores all aliases to this index < 1305238348 562061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you assign an index to a variable, you go add it to the alias list in the table < 1305238376 965940 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you store that index in a structure? < 1305238390 422939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define structure? < 1305238396 826099 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocated memory. < 1305238405 315370 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it seems as if you are marking as you go < 1305238424 984854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that point of the structure gets added to the alias list < 1305238474 671856 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your free is O(n) because you're caching the references in the list < 1305238488 707756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305238496 587072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than a whole heap traversal < 1305238537 281800 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, if optimizing a loophole response to an offhand claim is your cup of tea, go for it < 1305238552 759756 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea for me was for it to be done at all < 1305238559 851002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that it sounds like less of a loophole :) < 1305238566 129473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like refcounting this way < 1305238583 640174 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refcounting still sounds like GC to me < 1305238584 539202 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305238629 504290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but istr part of gregor's complaint being that it's a colossally slow free() like this < 1305238646 718019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas O(n) in aliases is pretty okay < 1305238662 886789 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's "well known" that refcounting is "faster than" mark-and-sweep < 1305238679 432459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's not obvious that refcounting applies to eightebed :) < 1305238686 21802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since its a list rather than a number here < 1305238703 655314 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1305238737 610892 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on something else and this doesn't really interest me, is all < 1305238802 579546 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm still far from convinced that storing a pointer into allocated memory in these lists is safe, as well < 1305238813 437681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305238820 7177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could store (table index, offset) instead :) < 1305238824 111767 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about when that chunk is no longer valid? how did you get rid of that reference from all lists it might have been in? < 1305238841 212245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't have to, I think < 1305238846 211750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively < 1305238849 468316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you store (table index, offset) < 1305238855 526155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could add it to the alias list etc < 1305238862 476680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it's not quite O(n) heh < 1305239051 260383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1305239239 976684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:23:42: oerjan: i'll read your papers when i've gathered some additional ownage. < 1305239240 96042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:23:52: i mean, those crazy mathematical papers of yours < 1305239241 17177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:27:07: oerjan: in fact, i'll promise to read them 2012, if we both are still around. < 1305239244 741860 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305239282 309578 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see your papers please, citizen oerjan < 1305239423 524230 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm happy. I think I figured out how to do recursion in my new language < 1305239439 517979 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: lambda abstractions < 1305239444 966613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:13:42: sex and shit, definitely already done... puppies and sex, sure... puppies and shit, obviously... I guess you do have to go all three to find a new genre < 1305239445 86450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:14:09: hmm, i actually haven't seen anything with all three < 1305239452 788848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: those are pretty cool < 1305239454 217918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdas that is < 1305239697 163335 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305239747 810196 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305239758 242285 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhhahahahahaha < 1305239794 425308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1305239858 744306 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing oerjan said about counting down for my head to explode which i can;t find in my scrollback < 1305239865 870592 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it applies now. < 1305239867 716419 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOM < 1305239870 347978 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1305239919 736773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cpressey guy sure is weird < 1305239938 717790 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom < 1305240002 117439 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-128-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1305240002 117510 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1305240003 5694 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1305240206 267102 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-128-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305240206 348286 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1305240206 348402 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1305240547 263796 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-24-112.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305241648 555600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305241916 456037 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-24-112.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305242818 970706 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From your side, that was a minor netsplit. < 1305242823 855439 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my side, that was ULTIMATE NETSPLIT. < 1305242839 492199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM is the ultimate netsplit. < 1305242855 910752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, why does Pure have macros. < 1305242859 6535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already a term rewriting language. < 1305242864 973265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The difference between macros and functions is that macros are not compiled but expanded at compile time, and the resulting code is then compiled. (This is the usual reason to introduce macros.) In this way, macros can be used for adding optimization to the code as well as for avoiding repetitive code." < 1305242874 22753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, surely you can do inlining. < 1305243108 109509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As the author of PURE says, "if you really need Haskell, you know where to find it."" < 1305243215 149222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(In the Haskell language, special techniques are used in this case to trick the compiler into thinking that several calls to gets need to be compiled in a certain order.)" < 1305243217 565089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they're not? < 1305243225 496623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the creator of Pure didn't write this because damn it's stupid. < 1305243273 756265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe e's referring to the IO monad? < 1305243305 644471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not apply to the IO monad. < 1305243312 350054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow holy shit Pure's gets is ugly. < 1305244406 453789 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pure a good language < 1305244542 809229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305244575 586320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Maybe. < 1305244609 874813 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to look at their example code but their whatever is configured improperly and I downloaded them instead < 1305244615 115600 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not bothering < 1305244672 891738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: The IO support seems lame, but the actual language is interesting. < 1305244675 557771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the successor of Q. < 1305244686 44626 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuations may be just what Active Worlds bots need < 1305244697 27729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe I didn't see it earlier < 1305244699 634800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's essentially pure term-rewriting, but compiled and efficient. < 1305244765 527351 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :active worlds? is that one of your virtual reality obsessions? you're the guy who has those right? < 1305244791 504131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes on all accounts < 1305244812 327043 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :active worlds: yes < 1305244834 933564 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are active worlds bots and why do they need continuations < 1305244897 760556 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm the pure wikipedia page < 1305244898 674541 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling C functions from Pure is very easy. E.g., the following imports the puts function from the C library and uses it to print the string "Hello, world!" on the terminal: < 1305244901 842291 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern int puts(char*); < 1305244904 255161 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello = puts "Hello, world!"; < 1305244906 864835 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello; < 1305244925 627229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, a bot in AW is a program that connects to the AW universe < 1305244936 576052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuations should make all sorts of things about making bots easier < 1305244949 352446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current/dormant C# project could really have used them < 1305244951 524191 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what do the bots do < 1305244962 272442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, whatever the programmer of the bot wants them to do < 1305244969 82851 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds okay < 1305244970 895712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can run worlds, so that the world is a game < 1305244983 765517 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is active worlds the one with the hilarious 3d models < 1305244988 820202 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just ugly < 1305244989 125449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hilarious"? < 1305244994 773755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... old < 1305245011 41455 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have been thinking of something else < 1305245022 148637 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of these virtual reality things do you do < 1305245024 539123 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be one of them < 1305245032 571735 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there was another that was hilariously outdated < 1305245101 948738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them are hideously outdated < 1305245103 453551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds, Cybertown, occasional visitor of There (deceased), Worlds, Metaplace, occasional visitor of Utherverse (I visited once or twice, not for perverse reasons, really), visited IMVU once or twice and hated it, Second Life, < 1305245105 101953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, apart from second life < 1305245108 698039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is inexplicably popular < 1305245124 137735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I visited Lively once or twice (deceased) < 1305245139 14501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmonqy < 1305245140 740368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1305245141 574484 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cybertown is the hilariously outdated one < 1305245142 438297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one beginning with a k... < 1305245144 485273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you make sgeo talk about this < 1305245145 529801 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1305245147 999518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its horrible < 1305245152 255875 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a horrible person < 1305245164 333620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lol this utherverse thing is like a virtual reality porn game?? < 1305245167 387207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooool < 1305245185 499298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse < 1305245241 395924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented Metaplace sex >.> < 1305245282 846903 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1305245286 66937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha wow < 1305245288 811463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i really reading these things < 1305245293 78181 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A social network for adults only. Meet real people and explore our online virtual world. All for FREE! < 1305245293 244107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse I invented Metaplace sex >.> < 1305245294 992686 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​411) I was more of a pervert in Metaplace than Utherverse I invented Metaplace sex >.> < 1305245302 941229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo you're like eight years old jesus christ < 1305245306 203133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just isnt appropriate < 1305245321 509742 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do 8 years olds invent metaplace sex < 1305245364 668498 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.utherverse.com/Sites/Utherverse/images/animeAvatarsOver.jpg < 1305245394 958954 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks legitimate < 1305245499 280736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1305245510 293774 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo fantasy land < 1305245526 843337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only visited once or twice < 1305245535 776659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to see yet another virtual world < 1305245548 8850 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good reason < 1305245571 751804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sgeo < 1305245573 302960 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to think about what I would be like if I obsessed over virtual worlds < 1305245574 281546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does metaplace sex work < 1305245586 880582 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or invented metaplace sex < 1305245616 945191 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proud not to have invented metaplace sex" monqy motto < 1305245631 406437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it is is just a "fainting" animation repeatedly :/. It looks more like fish flopping around than anything that I'd imagine sex would look like, really < 1305245735 879384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here < 1305245754 507920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1305245766 898014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all he invented it in metaplace < 1305245808 758944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here I think so < 1305245810 560864 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​412) sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here I think so < 1305245874 357779 :Ycros!~ycros@gnaw.ycros.org QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1305245883 872680 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "I think so" the best possible answer to that question < 1305245925 346117 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305245928 205180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1305245937 222184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll find out in person in a bit" < 1305245952 894968 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew gross < 1305246006 377143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305246015 554771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you have (define (get-cc) (call/cc (lambda (cc) cc))) < 1305246023 860219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can call/cc be implemented in terms of get-cc? < 1305246030 724562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so, yes. < 1305246105 166952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (my-call/cc func) (func (get-cc))) ? < 1305246111 212837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is there an oddity there? < 1305246164 367363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That won't work. < 1305246217 417981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1305246276 75042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about what the continuation is there. < 1305246313 661047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's right before func is called... so if func calls it, func will be called again? < 1305246356 122986 :Ycros!~ycros@ycrosgnaw-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305246654 929995 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305246666 130954 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1305246956 633032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott? < 1305247717 834723 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305248164 12699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized the symmatry between continuations and the functions passed into call/cc < 1305248167 972357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that deliberate? < 1305248175 233736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know I can't spel < 1305248193 321252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is there symmetry < 1305248220 396548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The continuation provided by call/cc is a function that takes one argument. The function that accepts the continuation accepts one argument < 1305248232 937970 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305248265 377513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think continuations take one argument? < 1305248391 961305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CallWithCurrentContinuation < 1305248423 415924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What makes you think continuations take one argument? < 1305248485 113712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how they're used on that page and elsewhere < 1305248490 149827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, please explain: (call-with-values (lambda () (values 1 2)) (lambda v v)). < 1305248512 87006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what call-with-values is >.> < 1305248527 796317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can continuations take 0 or several arguments? < 1305248549 316977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(call-with-values f k) calls f with k as f's continuation. < 1305248559 388358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calls f with no arguments, that is. < 1305248574 765927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, (call-with-values (lambda () (+ 9 9)) (lambda (x) (display x) (newline))) prints the number eighteen and a newline. < 1305248608 860059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(call-with-values (lambda () (values 'a 'b)) cons) => (a . b) < 1305248653 14585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And < 1305248662 221926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(call-with-values (lambda () (call/cc (lambda (k) (k 'a 'b)))) cons) < 1305248663 848595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : => (a . b) < 1305248665 420690 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305248704 115477 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305248705 300447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that Racket's escape continuations are both confusing and a premature optimization < 1305248706 858161 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305248727 330206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please observe my above lines. < 1305248734 253701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see them < 1305248740 394284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape continuations -- as in shift/reduce? < 1305248746 813467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't an optimisation, they have different semantics. < 1305248751 237358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, no, wait. < 1305248756 425921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :setjmp/longjmp style. < 1305248762 314636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that confusing? < 1305248763 625376 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305248769 920887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a continuation, except you can only go down the stack, and probably only once. < 1305248776 353197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're identical to try/except/throw. < 1305248786 101422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't mean shift/reduce. < 1305248794 159541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean shift/reset. < 1305248886 307814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to wrap his mind around dynamic-wind. I mean, it sounds simple enough, but I may have an utterly mistaken idea < 1305249019 552055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DYNAMIC-WIND itself is quite simple, but its interactions with CALL-WITH-CURRENT-CONTINUATION are subtle. < 1305249044 608156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that the blocks execute /every/ time the thunk is left, including multiple times thanks to CALL-WITH-CURRENT-CONTINUATION. < 1305249071 819850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can dynamic-wind be implemented in Scheme? < 1305249072 66895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The procedures call-with-current-continuation and dynamic-wind engage in quite subtle interaction with each other. Many Schemes implement both in Scheme on top of a primitive, non-"wind-safe" call-with-current-continuation. This is a particularly common implementation strategy because previous versions of the Scheme standard did not include dynamic-wind and wind-safe call-with-current-continuation. Not < 1305249072 148751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e that implementations following this strategy must ensure that the original call-with-current-continuation is no longer reachable from application code since that could compromise the wind-safety of the entire application. < 1305249074 398697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://community.schemewiki.org/?scheme-faq-misc < 1305249258 868961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~fleck/envision/scheme48/meeting/node7.html < 1305249268 139070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A (badly-formatted) dynamic-wind in Scheme. < 1305249290 610412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still wants to read about how events work in Racket < 1305249332 292371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and yes you can make a continuation which takes no arguments. < 1305249440 929081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1305249442 770417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (call-with-values (lambda () (call-with-current-continuation (lambda (k) (k)))) (lambda () 42)) < 1305249443 4363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1305249452 785632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thunk passed is the same as (lambda () (values)).) < 1305249471 243641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to reading websites about Scheme < 1305249632 261265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The question is answered in section 6.4 of R5RS: "Except for continuations created by the call-with-values procedure, all continuations take exactly one value." < 1305249677 848472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks about how to do a lazy term-rewriting language < 1305249682 262045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, and? < 1305249695 421858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: This is because the CALL-WITH-VALUES procedure is exactly the way to create continuations with more than or less than one value. < 1305250026 122348 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305250108 274806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wish Scheme didn't have set-c[ad]r!. < 1305250120 474804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1305250134 757767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket's regular conses are immutable < 1305250142 491923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1305250142 644346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket isn't Scheme. < 1305250176 573128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'm also vaguely annoyed that pairs aren't identified with vectors of length two. < 1305250186 668746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a . b . c) would be a snazzy syntax for a length-three vector, too. :p < 1305250190 313096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a good reason for me to learn R5RS Scheme instead of Racket? < 1305250236 551421 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305250255 848691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I give a shit? < 1305250280 325214 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1305250540 303778 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the whole mess that is C portability is probably the single best argument against C. < 1305250590 948775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C potability. < 1305250691 447661 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write a program that will run anywhere with a C compiler, give up now. < 1305250705 770370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's relatively easy for numeric crunching. < 1305250714 103865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even be sure it will have the standard headers. < 1305250724 939889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standalone implementations hardly count. < 1305250729 17747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1305250730 397472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freestanding. < 1305250735 359160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not including those. < 1305250739 310861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R C. < 1305250764 132998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, and it's hard to write a program that runs in both Python and Ruby interpreters too. < 1305250771 35495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're trying to write a polyglot, which is just stupid. < 1305250775 619979 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R C is still C. < 1305250781 531396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI C and K[and]R C are two different languages. < 1305250793 171422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are so different as to be almost incomparable. < 1305250874 45483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, *disregarding that*, unless every function you want is in the commonly supported subset of the C library, you're in for a world of hurt. < 1305250895 518130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we are counting non-implementations of ANSI C too? < 1305250901 370732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't follow the standard, they aren't implementations. < 1305250912 905805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everything follows ANSI C nowadays (C99 not so much). < 1305250919 762208 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305250930 99250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C in better or worse shape than Scheme? < 1305250939 223169 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-128-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1305250942 82501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define shape, better, worse, and what you think Scheme's "shape" is. < 1305250985 456478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's still a large amount of really, really stupid shit out there. For instance: apparently, on Darwin, you have to explicitly include stdio.h if you are including stdlib.h. < 1305251061 751773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, what? You can't include stdlib without stdio? < 1305251064 134575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit. < 1305251106 801981 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305251119 262178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Or? < 1305251145 171435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: If you mean doesn't implicitly include , it's not specified to. < 1305251190 776281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"div always rounds towards 0, unlike ordinary integer division in C, where rounding for negative numbers is implementation-dependent." < 1305251192 670398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're kidding me. < 1305251200 233657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor, Fythe [caret] :P < 1305251207 127195 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That declarations in their stdlib.h depend on declarations in stdio.h. < 1305251224 970478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches Racket install < 1305251273 32677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I'm pretty much entirely sure that's false. < 1305251310 413079 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's defined in C99. < 1305251322 753284 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And just-so-happens to be the same in every implementation :P < 1305251335 384479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Isn't Fythe ANSI, though? :P < 1305251366 168551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then you might want to make it check for C99. :P < 1305251368 342516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, sorry I've not done anything with the bignums, I'm sort of waiting until I can type C again. < 1305251380 28556 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fythe's division operator is implemented in ASM ... < 1305251391 490518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Erm. < 1305251393 796415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's generated by gcc :P < 1305251405 658572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so gcc will never do anything other than generating a plain div instruction. < 1305251407 179354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still :P < 1305251423 347078 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's generated ONCE by GCC. < 1305251429 978430 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then the same one is used in every installation. < 1305251433 411163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah :P < 1305251434 678101 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's important is the ASM, not GCC. < 1305251469 132396 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, pikhq_, I'm not going to check for C99 to make sure that division behaves like it did in all pre-C99 compilers anyway. < 1305251555 532554 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-126-150.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305251658 24622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is this an error in the specification... < 1305251665 638894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DrRacket froze up when I typed (/ 1 0) < 1305251671 754503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the following example the only tail call is the call to f. None of the calls to g or h are tail calls. The reference to x is in a tail context, but it is not a call and thus is not a tail call. < 1305251671 878481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda () < 1305251671 960330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if (g) < 1305251671 960490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (let ((x (h))) < 1305251671 960591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x) < 1305251673 756195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and (g) (f)))) < 1305251676 677461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That (f) is so blatantly not a tail call. < 1305251686 786219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it ust took a distressing amount of time to work out that I divided by 0 < 1305251693 667865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, yes it is. < 1305251697 848414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is control flow just like if. < 1305251731 597690 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305251980 630511 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305251995 253051 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305252211 740554 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305252308 435612 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305252328 844045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305253441 911370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot more like bambdalot < 1305253597 625693 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305255244 715983 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1305255269 446114 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a QUIT :Client Quit < 1305255535 282320 :Ycros!~ycros@ycrosgnaw-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305255679 705097 :Ycros!~ycros@ycrosgnaw-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305255925 438761 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305257568 803507 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305258084 805657 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305259995 584791 :Ycros!~ycros@ycrosgnaw-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305260127 155767 :Ycros!~ycros@ycrosgnaw-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305260431 371981 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is now a *TV* ad agency as well. < 1305260475 656940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peqnSTBnTVk < 1305261552 260515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305262226 38282 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I should be less surprised < 1305262256 530470 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1305262842 795911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305263326 512484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know if there's some sort of DVCS-backed FUSE filesystem that just commits every time you save? < 1305263337 270951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then some kind of undo-tree UI for actually finding a revision in the mess, I guess. < 1305263358 251111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd do actual commits separately, this would just be so you can make experimental changes without relying on your editor's undo capabilities... < 1305264506 856244 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFA01.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305264695 125758 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFA01.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305266477 572034 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305266489 154321 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1305267383 347946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finger tree: http://i.imgur.com/sRyCi.png < 1305267434 76310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1305267444 362137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305267454 38880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop laughing at my own damn creation. < 1305267475 974936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1305267505 915000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of wish my hand was a finger tree now. < 1305267536 627662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tired. < 1305267587 511647 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305267606 635772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I have my 25cl of fantastic pear-flavoured fruit drink, that'll totally make me fit-for-fight < 1305267628 558682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey olsner < 1305267631 878052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i drew a finger tree http://i.imgur.com/sRyCi.png < 1305267635 890460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think < 1305267642 791279 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I saw, that looks nice < 1305267660 87712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spitting image of a something-or-other < 1305267675 48456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finger tree, say < 1305267682 723850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1305268254 969850 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why ar is only used for static libraries and .debs < 1305268318 302431 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a freaking general-purpose archiver. < 1305268356 781125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't support directories < 1305268406 350826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and file permissions, and other fancy features that you want from actual general-purpose archivers < 1305268406 969697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1305268453 818546 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it's got retarded limitations. < 1305268458 409554 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question answered! < 1305268641 619316 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the third hand, it does have (well, GNU ar does; and probably many others, incompatibly) that symbol table thing, which is certainly something you'd want in a general-purpose archiver. < 1305268763 882820 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It does, however, have mtime/uid/gid/permissions entries in the file header. < 1305268772 82055 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But no directories.) < 1305268801 839902 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't someone speak of a "nest ar files in ar files to simulate directories" scheme once? < 1305268805 710480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305268807 93220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was me. < 1305268809 406157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the genius. It's me. < 1305268814 183730 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like something you'd do, yes. < 1305268841 468246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will choose to take that as a compliment. < 1305268875 304982 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dazzling display of optimism. < 1305268895 615779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fizzie, ban clog, it'll be swell. < 1305268903 803961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least +q. < 1305269025 976098 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I am suspicious; this must be some sort of a trick, even though I can't see any harm in it. < 1305269054 801375 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just wonder what anyone was thinking when they came up with .deb. < 1305269073 947992 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It literally has 2 tarballs in an arball. < 1305269103 279347 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Arball" is a funny word. Arball, arball, arball. Repeat it a couple of times. < 1305269108 171967 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arb-all. < 1305269227 229848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's not a trick, I'm just insane. < 1305269274 3034 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still suspicious, but here goes. < 1305269276 172866 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :clog!~nef@bespin.org > 1305269276 234542 NAMES :#esoteric < 1305269315 417674 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: Ha, finally your inane babbling has been silenced! < 1305269327 352692 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peace and quiet, at last. < 1305269478 324862 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-126-150.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305269490 475711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1305269497 383932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people blame PLT for R6RS < 1305269618 279183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that should probably be spelled arbl < 1305269694 30171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh arbl, arbl arbl, I made it out of clay. < 1305269702 343443 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Add the missing comma.) < 1305269909 132696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERSION < 1305269914 165222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAH CLOG STILL REPLIED < 1305269917 877163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS UTTERLY UNDAMAGED BY THIS < 1305269933 257756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hiato- VERSION yes < 1305269939 125409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Lymia- VERSION BusyBox v1.14.2 (FreeDos 1.0) multi-purpose chat client <-- SUUUURE < 1305270105 941032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you think PLT is to blame for R6RS? < 1305270145 252643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to see it, does Sgeo keep asking stupid, unanswerable questions? < 1305270159 765404 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anything could stop that < 1305270198 143335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if all the virtual worlds in the universe had a gigantic party together < 1305270206 215893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the condition was you had to stop asking stupid questions for a whole day < 1305270211 474066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305270212 89395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1305270213 910123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still wouldn't do it < 1305270471 866145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305270661 963874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1305270666 912618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog has been silenced :( < 1305270668 877303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an injustice < 1305270719 625745 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes this is because of the error messages it gives to unknown CTCP's < 1305270782 227591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305270790 193992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is just this huge fascist < 1305270814 544624 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1305270818 475279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog wouldn < 1305270827 508444 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t log its own responses, probably < 1305270869 333693 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:31:03 the thing oerjan said about counting down for my head to explode which i can;t find in my scrollback < 1305270872 799434 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:31:10 it applies now. < 1305270875 383107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:31:12 BOOM < 1305270879 703783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING WENT AS EXPECTED < 1305271012 162699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot's logs aren't loading... < 1305271044 853005 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it was the wrong date anyway < 1305271083 875786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, clog did absolutely _nothing_? < 1305271181 568941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you wanted to test it? < 1305271257 221578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if VERSION replies aren't to the channel anyhow, it won't make a difference < 1305271290 506985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just wanted it to happen since it would have no effect anyway ;D < 1305271331 832716 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGLE BARGLE < 1305271356 31769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right not even the error replies go to channel < 1305271898 903922 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305271971 952916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you seen my picture of a finger tree < 1305271973 814950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lovely :( < 1305272130 90095 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----### < 1305272268 134008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like it < 1305272295 691910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is somewhat disturbingly similar to a penis tree < 1305272305 398000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb reopening gimp < 1305272310 995528 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1305272397 948366 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Python's slice notation inclusive, or exclusive for the second parameter? < 1305272418 343030 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. would x[a:b] include b < 1305272452 501070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz'[0:9] < 1305272452 583033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'abcdefghi' < 1305272452 676506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> len('abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz'[0:9]) < 1305272452 758181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1305272458 918795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't give more useful examples since I can't type the relevant numbers. < 1305272525 564523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so numerically challenged < 1305272664 599803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone say sixty four < 1305272676 827911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LXIIII < 1305272680 460250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1305272687 88657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plz ban oerjan for troll < 1305272731 15701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if roman numerals were good enough for jesus... < 1305272795 62453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: religious trolling at that < 1305273083 175429 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THOV HAST VVIN < 1305273128 58105 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HEY, IF AN ALPHABET VVITHOVT "W" OR "J" VVAS GOOD ENOVGH FOR IESVS...) < 1305273285 290098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jewsus < 1305273344 728661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jew go too far < 1305273469 346542 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "JEW" IS INCORRECT. "IVDAEVM" IS THE VVORD THOV VVISHEST, FOR REFERING TO THE OLDEST OF THE THREE MAIN ABRAHAMIC FAITHS < 1305273486 478060 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ALSO, THERE IS NO LETTER "J" OR "W". I THINK YOV MEAN "I" and "VV". < 1305273518 203466 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("U" IS, OF COVRSE, JVST A CVRVIER "V") < 1305273525 961791 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... CVRSES VNTO ME < 1305273533 780382 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/JVST/IVST/ < 1305273761 170456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people lozenges? < 1305273815 45809 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "lozenge", and I'll tell you. < 1305273843 396727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lozenge < 1305273856 674629 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1305273880 889568 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, strcmp("lozenge", "people")!=0. < 1305273897 326315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a people. < 1305273903 395031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you lozenge. < 1305273906 97676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION risks brain-damage and downloads newLISP < 1305273923 418385 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1305273961 672386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how monqy bypassed the naive optimistic esolang-liking of this place and skipped straight to the Sgeo mockery < 1305273976 498964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much what this place exists for < 1305274010 948075 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305274018 881371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We live to mock! < 1305274033 73338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Befunge&diff=next&oldid=22874 < 1305274034 292246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1305274039 898765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mock Tailsteak? < 1305274047 14191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna find what fucker made this and beat them with a shiro < 1305274097 202287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK IT IMPLEMENTS MORE FINGERPRINTS THAN SHIRO FUCK < 1305274101 560699 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the same person that added that bit < 1305274124 880951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK FUCK FUCK < 1305274129 429505 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-10.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305274176 617697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA YES ITS FUNGESPACE IS MORE NAIVE THAN MINE < 1305274179 209537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE THAT YOU PIECE OF CRAP < 1305274182 440661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1305274189 402809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also N-dimensional though :P < 1305274194 406373 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a fungi fanboy, but I doubt such a person exists < 1305274205 119394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload date Tue Oct 5 04:24:08 UTC 2010 < 1305274206 683058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this so old < 1305274208 563136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because < 1305274209 983980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is crap??? < 1305274219 107438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i should generalise shiro to n dimensions < 1305274223 735061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun and profitable < 1305274227 603744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slow it down < 1305274228 888453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immensely < 1305274276 965747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to truly beat em, you must support fractal dimensions < 1305274284 651275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lurks away cackling evilly < 1305274311 780828 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFA01.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305274314 153695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aieeeeee < 1305274359 33228 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :support vortex math < 1305274369 31137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305274392 348257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1305274406 34301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already ticked off by newLISP's REPL of all things < 1305274409 168106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support the hyperbolic plane. < 1305274411 703770 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF166.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305274426 819656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....The fudge? < 1305274434 72737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The damn editor doesn't do automatic indentation?/ < 1305274467 258694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you really just say < 1305274468 406744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the fudge" < 1305274488 761001 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are allowed to say "the fuck". < 1305274494 112567 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are not afraid of copulation here. < 1305274500 926029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep, maybe, but not copulation. < 1305274504 624830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives newLISP-GS a gigantic middle finger < 1305274529 568268 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it appreciates it < 1305274539 344455 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i suggest applying elliott's finger tree < 1305274547 180870 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should use a real whatever newLISP-GS is supposed to be < 1305274548 39736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305274550 795031 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should use a real language < 1305274554 717774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can never have enough fingers on the tree < 1305274612 108015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok things i need for this: haskell with a lot of packages, emacs set up correctly < 1305274626 217049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey did i ever get oerjan to answer my haskell structuring question ;D < 1305274645 665434 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds unlikely < 1305274706 303500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically avoiding stacks of what amount to case statements on Maybes with a consistent failure mode... < 1305274711 170985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's a MaybeT but I'm not sure. < 1305274714 110815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1305274717 184457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a MaybeT but I'm not sure. < 1305274748 887023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you need an underlying monad < 1305274758 278514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, since the code without it is extremely ugly and leans right < 1305274761 129959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that when I result in Nothing, I /don't/ want to rewind the state < 1305274771 781044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my monad is < 1305274773 21015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm i mean _besides_ the Maybe part < 1305274780 110398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well yes, but let me explain < 1305274784 760044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need an _underlying_ monad < 1305274789 972766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a _monad sandwich_ < 1305274801 396297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Shiro monad: StateT FungeState IO < 1305274810 738459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305274813 697499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong: MaybeT (StateT FungeState IO) (or however you say it) < 1305274821 301709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when it's Nothing, the state /should not rewind/ < 1305274822 431530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1305274826 672333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateT FungeState (MaybeT IO) < 1305274830 743139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, writing < 1305274839 51605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why the state would rewind... < 1305274851 989580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um because when the stack returned Nothing you wouldn't be able to get the state out < 1305274855 424525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :state can change /before/ it fails < 1305274857 739308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that state should not rewind < 1305274860 573934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect it to rewind only for StateT FungeState (MaybeT IO) < 1305274873 221509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no. < 1305274902 947005 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that there are some monad transformers that take pains to commute anyhow iirc < 1305274917 642038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure you understand < 1305274920 320715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the structure is basically like < 1305274921 189730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { < 1305274922 910620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :state shit < 1305274924 89389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more state shit < 1305274925 744183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :case whut of < 1305274928 590896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing -> reflect < 1305274931 705715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just yay -> do < 1305274934 51486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : state shit < 1305274941 315537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : case foo of Nothing -> reflect; Just yayy -> ... < 1305274941 510572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1305274943 189249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on forever < 1305274950 552837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I reflect, that's the end of the entire function < 1305274955 850249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/but/ I can't have the whole thing be Maybe < 1305274961 73315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I did, and it returned Nothing < 1305274966 64798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get at the modified state < 1305274968 162657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1305275018 241881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope oerjan is understanding me here :D < 1305275083 48938 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do notation and state shit < 1305275085 661777 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my cup of tea < 1305275087 768504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think you understand how monad transformers stack < 1305275106 999196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I might be misunderstanding MaybeT in particular, but I don't think so < 1305275124 804632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fully expect MaybeT (StateT FungeState IO) not to rewind state, because it cannot possibly rewind IO < 1305275135 580707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305275171 398094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I was confusing (MaybeT (StateT FungeState IO) a) with (Maybe (StateT FungeState IO a)) or something like that < 1305275174 575513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows < 1305275180 66287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is _possible_ MaybeT takes pains to modify get and put to ruin my assumption < 1305275207 542948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one annoying thing is the delimitation of these "possibly-failing computations" < 1305275219 951890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it's just per-instruction < 1305275223 164521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure < 1305275227 896391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i recall at one time finding a monad transformer which did something like that) < 1305275248 568045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway, the only problem now is all the unholy lifting I'll have to do :( < 1305275259 46270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop? more like lift pop < 1305275267 772663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make a type class dealie but eurgh < 1305275269 334369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1305275285 706128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fpRun _ Y = do < 1305275285 822170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sem <- pop < 1305275285 904029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : case toFPIns sem of < 1305275285 904147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing -> reflect < 1305275285 904194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just ins -> do < 1305275286 543947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : m <- gets (fpInstructions . currentIP) < 1305275288 632753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : case Map.lookup ins m of < 1305275290 784668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing -> return () < 1305275292 626621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [] -> return () < 1305275294 708407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just (_:xs) -> modifyFPInstructions (Map.insert ins xs) < 1305275296 623198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpRun _ Y = do < 1305275298 742814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sem <- lift pop < 1305275305 4789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ins <- toFPIns sem < 1305275313 375644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : m <- lift [dollar] gets blah blah < 1305275321 157354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is going to be a lot of lifts is my point < 1305275393 528447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eurgh :( < 1305275437 204986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well make all your base operations work with MaybeT ... i guess < 1305275482 467603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um you realise there is tons of code /outside/ of the MaybeT? < 1305275487 315833 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305275497 49214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MaybeT is basically just a readability optimisation for a very very common pattern of code in instructions < 1305275503 839455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not essential to the structure or anything < 1305275516 756284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : case (toFPIns asem, toFPIns bsem) of < 1305275516 960333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Just a, Just b) -> do < 1305275517 41368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : m <- gets (fpInstructions . currentIP) < 1305275517 41539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : case (maybe reflect head (Map.lookup a m), < 1305275517 41646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe reflect Map.lookup b m) of < 1305275518 408268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305275521 336064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I gave u < 1305275522 371109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1305275525 591907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no code after that line :) < 1305275581 378217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i assume that gets (fpInstructions . currentIP) is a monadic operation < 1305275594 117989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in Shiro (== StateT FungeState IO) < 1305275613 863394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gets is in MonadState, so actually I could easily avoid lift there < 1305275617 427306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's everything /else/ that'd suffer < 1305275645 40041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW this hGetLineWithTerminator is ugly. < 1305275649 340852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder, what about making a slightly more compact higher order function instead? < 1305275655 335589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like howso? < 1305275671 524056 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :testReflect (Just j) x = x < 1305275680 861346 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :testReflect Nothing _ = reflect < 1305275690 957869 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot is a blub. < 1305275692 753445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er sorry < 1305275703 55390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* testReflect (Just j) x = x j < 1305275718 37613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wouldn't help, since after reflect the instruction has to /stop/ < 1305275725 986983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, that's continuation passing styl < 1305275726 89913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1305275729 657236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305275731 137633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but it'll still lean rightwards... < 1305275735 693179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas this code should be flat < 1305275750 704471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but maybe a little less? < 1305275760 933585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the do's ruin some things < 1305275770 701872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just help by one indentation level every block, I think < 1305275798 502116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: behold the (unrelated) ugly :D http://sprunge.us/NTbX < 1305275811 223591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does have one such block but it's not a problem function < 1305275829 821579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : line <- ioReflect $ hGetLineWithTerminator handle < 1305275830 178900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : push ref < 1305275830 260094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pushStringAs0gnirts line < 1305275830 260261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : push . fromIntegral . length $ line < 1305275831 56405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bug < 1305275835 387069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should halt after the reflect < 1305275836 645022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't < 1305276073 594950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then i guess you either get rightwards leaning, lots of lifting, or embedding the MaybeT in your main monad. < 1305276093 319194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or typeclassing everything < 1305276110 426003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of Shiro a, MonadShiro m => m a, etc. < 1305276131 310772 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more stopgap might be to use some >>= instead of do blocks < 1305276201 316778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that help < 1305276275 943723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpRun _ Y = pop >>= \sem -> checkReflect toFPIns sem $ \ins -> gets (fpInstructions . currentIP) >>= \m -> < 1305276291 129304 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need new indentation to use >>= < 1305276291 544256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make it uglier and even more indented? < 1305276292 868272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1305276305 130181 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that was just to put it on one line < 1305276330 283227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i stopped there because the three-way case doesn't fit with checkReflect < 1305276349 722731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm missing some parentheses < 1305276398 778216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305276417 842642 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could make it less indented, although of course uglier < 1305276546 603719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features needed to be a half-decent Lisp editor: Easy to see matching parens, and automatic indentation. < 1305276549 381157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you could also make the first part monadic < 1305276563 975870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percentage of such features newLISP-GS provides: 50% < 1305276568 389425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: first is semi-irrelevant, all you really need is the blink to let you know which block you just closde < 1305276581 212419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant by the first < 1305276596 114734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1305276602 664828 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkReflect m f = m >>= \x -> case x of Nothing -> reflect; Just y -> f y < 1305276607 84800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1305276637 603997 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpRun _ Y = checkReflect (toFPIns <$> pop) $ \ins -> ... < 1305276663 937612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ugly, sorry :P < 1305276699 95396 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305276716 24716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305276716 893777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpRun _ Y = toFPIns <$> pop `checkReflect` \ins -> ... < 1305276722 335789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305276762 522274 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I have a two please < 1305276778 50454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it a proper fixity 0 operator < 1305276781 67158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1305276781 149455 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I have a two please < 1305276784 193010 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1305276797 926874 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Fingerprints/FILE.hs:38:2: < 1305276798 130567 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Warning: Pattern match(es) are non-exhaustive < 1305276798 211758 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the definition of `fpRun': < 1305276798 211930 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Patterns not matched: < 1305276798 212042 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ A < 1305276798 740890 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ B < 1305276802 639568 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ E < 1305276804 696367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ F < 1305276806 818681 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1305276808 760349 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh that's annoying < 1305276844 757480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpRun _ Y = toFPIns <$> pop -->- \ins -> < 1305276875 143944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 <$>) < 1305276875 963644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Data.Functor.<$>' [infixl 4] of a section < 1305276876 61034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lowe... < 1305276888 808799 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're just trying to get me to stop using do notation :D < 1305276905 555777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well i'm pointing out that's the simplest way to reduce indentation here < 1305276927 320840 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes me as less elegant than a transformer, personally < 1305276970 181054 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main.hs:7:0: < 1305276970 335931 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Warning: The import of `Data.ByteString' is redundant < 1305276970 418350 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : except perhaps to import instances from `Data.ByteString' < 1305276970 418537 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : To import instances alone, use: import Data.ByteString() < 1305276971 198242 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosjdsdfjosjf < 1305276976 277515 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe >>=| would be a good name < 1305276983 279259 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty sure theres a reason i imported it so shut up < 1305276990 815833 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main.hs:5:0: < 1305276991 67904 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Warning: The import of `Shiro.FungeSpace' is redundant < 1305276991 149721 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : except perhaps to import instances from `Shiro.FungeSpace' < 1305276991 149818 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : To import instances alone, use: import Shiro.FungeSpace() < 1305276993 598623 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : case fungeSpace st of < 1305276994 28606 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : FungeSpace m (minX,minY) (maxX,maxY) m2 m3 -> < 1305276999 843168 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305277002 165129 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its becuase shiro.types has it < 1305277002 631730 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1305277032 801754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, I depend on nothing not in the Haskell Platform < 1305277082 36984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :m >>|= f = m >>= \x -> case x of Nothing -> reflect; Just y -> f y < 1305277099 265534 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, does the ubuntu haskell platform have profiling libs < 1305277127 264034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixr 0 >>|= < 1305277128 102734 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not ugh ill just build the fuckshit myself < 1305277182 738715 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the thing is that do notation fits the /rest/ of these things' code < 1305277247 206710 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Calvin and Hobbes is quite possibly the best philosophy put into a comic strip. It was named after John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes, two famous philosophers." < 1305277247 973438 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDDIT < 1305277250 248263 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS < 1305277314 264210 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot say i have actually checked how consistent calvin and hobbes's philosophies are with their namesakes' < 1305277361 324160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should there be an 's on calvin or not, there?) < 1305277398 234287 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's cleaner without < 1305277884 881023 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doIns i = < 1305277884 962932 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (coreIns . chr . fromIntegral $ i) `catchShiro` < 1305277885 112159 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \(ShiroIOException st) -> put st >> reflect < 1305277885 784994 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1305277887 769857 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best part < 1305277893 925196 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corresponding code < 1305277903 535386 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioReflect :: IO a -> Shiro a < 1305277903 926271 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioReflect action = do < 1305277904 8525 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : st <- get < 1305277904 8687 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : io action `catchShiro` < 1305277904 8788 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \(e::IOException) -> do < 1305277904 569871 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : io . hPutStrLn stderr $ "*** [Reflecting on IO exception: " ++ show e ++ "]" < 1305277906 420205 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : throw (ShiroIOException st) < 1305277911 4832 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I keep the state by throwing an exception with the state < 1305277917 556358 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't it beautiful < 1305278010 514717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1305278821 425812 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oijwnpgoknjrojfhnjtjhotj < 1305278871 663853 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-cont/ < 1305278873 207698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1305278884 782337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc with random restrictions is no fun < 1305278889 76245 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305278894 864716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not random restrictions < 1305278896 503724 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's shift/reset < 1305278908 162710 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is arguably more fundamental than call/cc < 1305278914 927350 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1305278916 559963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delimited_continuation < 1305278916 942122 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/continuations/index.html < 1305278965 260058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says it can't be used in mapcar and the like < 1305278971 686672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a random restriction to me < 1305278981 738703 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, that's because common lisp doesn't have continuations < 1305278987 784836 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, mapcar will be written in a way ignorant of continuation-passing style < 1305279001 624155 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. the map/callcc interaction is very hard to get right anyway < 1305279031 185716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"map: tail recursive, call/cc friendly, goes over the list only once: pick two" < 1305279056 730035 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so arguably you don't /want/ to use it from higher order functions like that < 1305279120 614076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just googled it, couldn't find where that's from < 1305279132 213090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're quoting yourself... < 1305279152 737459 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305279206 112815 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305279345 21039 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1305279486 79571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I never quote myself" -- Elliott Hird < 1305279694 101632 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's from the sisc page, paraphrased < 1305279734 112453 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sisc-scheme.org/r5rs_pitfall.php < 1305279890 959747 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expression (call/cc (lambda (c) (0 (c 1)))) is a legal expression < 1305279891 77640 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to r5rs, whose semantics are that 1 gets returned when it is < 1305279891 77811 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :passed to the escape procedure c during the evaluation of the < 1305279891 77920 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :positions of the combination (0 (c 1)). < 1305279891 964655 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1305280020 106367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should-be 8.2 '(1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 5) < 1305280020 309089 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (let ((ls (list 1 2 3 4))) < 1305280020 391134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (append ls ls '(5)))) < 1305280023 428926 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pitfall? < 1305280043 852410 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b6ce1.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305280366 291263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so r5rs requires all arguments to be evaluated before checking whether the first one is a function? < 1305280436 941394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305280456 174120 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "evaluate arguments and function in unspecified order", then "give arguments to function" < 1305280460 674607 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except written less ambiguously :) < 1305280488 664336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like nvg is shutting down for a couple days here due to building maintenance, i may not be on irc then < 1305280502 522030 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: webchat.freenode.net < 1305280512 245527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see < 1305280519 512937 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED A BREAK < 1305280543 875459 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b6ce1.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305281093 529439 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Chicken_coop&curid=2919&diff=786201&oldid=786194 < 1305281098 84438 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=60357 < 1305281834 181628 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the strip goes through today without an update, this will be the longest hiatus the strip has ever gone on, at 8 days." ;; welp, at least now I know my perception of time is fucked up for sure < 1305281841 408413 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, does iwc actually ever go on hiatuses? < 1305281847 54711 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from those caused by software bugs < 1305281933 848668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hasn't skipped an update since the second year, or was that first < 1305281971 495636 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( your saline drip is more reliable than mine < 1305281990 122017 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols a bit more at an eight day break being called a "hiatus" < 1305282000 664338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been some very few that were a few hours delayed < 1305282001 871564 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that means that all the flash updates were made in less than seven days... impressive < 1305282032 364668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: DMM just came back from a three week holiday, and there was no significant glitch < 1305282044 848657 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah yeah stop rubbing it into my face < 1305282061 476377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that went on hiatus was comments on a postcard, there weren't enough submissions to get through < 1305282063 909091 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does DMM have an untarnished record of starting his next comic less than a week after the previous one?? < 1305282065 291948 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIDN'T THINK SO < 1305282071 228316 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where will YOU go when it all ends < 1305282079 726618 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, heh; you'd think comments on a postcard would be the easiest to keep up < 1305282107 802668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1305282243 847408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say DMM has an untarnished record of having more projects going on perfectly at once than a human could reasonably keep up with < 1305282278 79719 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but it's not like mezzacotta is a replacement for iwc if it ends ;D < 1305282308 26145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. anyway the servers here are shutting down in minutes and i need to shower < 1305282318 440430 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOLE MINUTES < 1305282320 329435 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1305282320 737291 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: See you, maybe < 1305282322 530364 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick until the bitter end < 1305282324 252770 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo < 1305282585 854623 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 TOPIC #esoteric :"And without manifestation, who can say that this passage would exist since light *is* Being as manifestation? Thus light lies somewhere between an infinitely dark source and the immeasurable matrix of solidity." --Ernest Hemingway | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1305282760 945755 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305282923 58439 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305283764 41950 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305283820 693324 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305284403 958247 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-107-15.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305284981 946930 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-107-15.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305285006 188784 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-61-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305285227 508928 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305285789 39030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305286140 177024 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305287316 51138 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-61-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305287424 322258 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305287433 506349 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305287461 251530 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305287571 385192 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305288207 274019 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recently I have just been wondering. How did the universe start? In school they explained the Big Bang theory, but when I thought about it; I wondered. Where did all the matter that supposedly exploded into what is now the universe come from. So could r/askscience give me an answer? How did the universe begin?" < 1305288212 497395 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, /r/askscience is the worst thing ever < 1305288221 114333 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish oerjan didn't tell me about it. < 1305288661 152494 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305288771 885139 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305289861 170400 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305289974 972104 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305290451 840004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1305290605 565825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305290855 430574 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305290895 578325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305291170 160543 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305292291 78671 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305292382 150389 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305292773 8385 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1305292777 701391 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun- < 1305292778 226687 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305292785 136684 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a number row < 1305293814 576942 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1305294623 933589 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305294764 339357 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305294787 270252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295012 579458 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1305295027 168077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1305295083 253679 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-31-138.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295127 239376 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295384 270452 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305295481 368555 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295494 357866 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-178.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295752 291379 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305295796 129025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: do you have any good ideas about how to implement polymorphism? in general, I mean < 1305295813 191658 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to do that obnoxious thing i do < 1305295816 788973 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: define polymorphism < 1305295830 854228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, part of the issue is coming up with a good definition < 1305295870 760946 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean polymorphism as in rank-one universal quantification in a function type? < 1305295874 824810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what I want is a language that lets me do something like let flip a b c = a c b; then call flip with two different arguments of different types < 1305295890 926542 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps parametric polymorphism, i.e. the same applied to types? < 1305295893 779524 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295904 656343 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But not higher-rank polymorphism? < 1305295919 206707 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what I have at the moment works almost entirely on type inference < 1305295927 567439 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ((forall a. a -> a) -> Int) being a function that takes (a function that takes an argument of any type and returns a value of the same type), and returns Int < 1305295936 870808 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the bizarre result that you can define two identical functions flip1 and flip2 and have them both work < 1305295938 191734 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare ((a -> a) -> Int); you could feed e.g. (+one) to this < 1305295943 238670 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would bind a=Int < 1305295943 878929 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but combining them doesn't as you get a type inference error < 1305295950 849554 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1305295956 356143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1305295960 145296 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (+one) wouldn't work as an argument to the first < 1305295962 753658 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're talking about passing polymorphic functions to other polymorphic functions < 1305295967 402256 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, the only acceptable arguments are id and _|_) < 1305295994 324822 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: right. higher-rank polymorphism corresponds to higher-order logic < 1305296006 937442 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305296009 570659 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank-one types handle 90 percent of things, though, and can be inferred < 1305296014 754415 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're more popular < 1305296021 730677 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rank-two+ types aren't haskell 9eight, for instance) < 1305296032 250301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep; additionally, I need to desugar everything into known non-polymorphic non-parametric types anyway < 1305296037 194014 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they might be haskell twentyten and they're definitely a relatively popular GHC extension) < 1305296045 775913 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I guess my next question is define "implement" ;) < 1305296052 405508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really I'm looking for some way to automatically infer polymorphism then desugar it into the equivalence of C++ templates < 1305296059 914875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then desugar /those/ into macro expansions, and do the expansions < 1305296062 811186 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your immeasurable matrix of solidity < 1305296069 82851 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you know about Hindley-Milner, right? < 1305296076 671425 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prays deeply the answer to that isn't "no" < 1305296092 509150 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually put my hands together and closed my eyes there. That's how deeply I'm prayin'. < 1305296094 924060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, any progress on the spec? < 1305296106 2241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I am aware that it's a common type-inference algorithm; I have also implemented an obvious type-inference algorithm, and think it's very likely they're the same < 1305296106 83891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never actually checked < 1305296120 423607 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh, whoops. I've been rather exceedingly busy. You might just wanna buy something. < 1305296129 533111 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it feels like the "obvious" one, from what i recall of it, so yeah < 1305296131 980012 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, Hindley-Milner handles polymorphic inference. < 1305296141 221985 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, after all, what Haskell (ninety-eight) uses. < 1305296143 794788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well I'm busy until tomorrow anyway < 1305296147 564238 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also OCaml, etc. < 1305296170 401852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, my algo does that, more or less, but then tries to throw that information away, and errors out if it can't < 1305296182 58777 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't do that if you can avoid it. < 1305296194 569889 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say you want to throw things away at the very last moment, not as soon as you infer a specific type. < 1305296199 468472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it takes a conversation on IRC to know you're doing something stupid < 1305296208 887658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it needs an exact type for everything, is the issue < 1305296208 969718 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Re: the compiling down to C templates -- are you saying that you want there to be one and only one implementation of a polymorphic function, right? < 1305296225 115243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK to have multiple implementations behind the scenes; in fact, if they're of different types, they have to be < 1305296233 499819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just look like one function to the user < 1305296233 853134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1305296238 840443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm compiling into hardware < 1305296241 776929 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. < 1305296247 369379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it absolutely needs to know the type of everything < 1305296269 912699 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'd just do regular Hindley-Milner all the way through, and then when you have a call to a polymorphic function, see what the fully inferred type is, and compile the function accordingly. < 1305296278 360271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :question about haskell: how does the "magic" string you get from stuff like hGetContents actually work? Is it possible to invent similar magic strings yourself or does it need special runtime support? < 1305296287 837229 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not magic, it's just a lazy string. < 1305296293 689740 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just gonna say < 1305296297 316237 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it with unsafeInterleaveIO. < 1305296304 987813 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only unsafe thing is that effects can leak. < 1305296306 420405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sufficiently nonmagic that you can even do that sort of thing in Python < 1305296311 493253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah < 1305296323 135412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the unsafety is because you can't tell when or if side-effects will happen < 1305296324 877619 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, readFile followed by a writeFile based on it is a Bad Idea generally. < 1305296338 943899 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(readFile is just opening a file + hGetContents) < 1305296344 414588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's normally considered OK because not knowing when or if a file will be read is safe if you never write to it, and if reading it doesn't have side-effects < 1305296354 749963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not normally considered OK < 1305296361 44510 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never use hGetContents in a "production" interface < 1305296363 316157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on who by < 1305296365 498953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm hGetContents isn't actually safe is it? Unless it takes some sort of OS level exclusive lock on the file someone else could modify it right ahead of where you read. < 1305296365 930732 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply not predictable enough < 1305296366 914545 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is how lazy evaluation makes your life simpler < 1305296370 452796 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305296371 658572 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it's not really safe. < 1305296376 706938 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unsafeInterleaveIO is :: IO a -> IO a. < 1305296387 594021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah < 1305296391 923931 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conceptual implementation is (return . unsafePerformIO). < 1305296403 301897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic idea is that it splits it off into "another" IO world, so that its effects can happen irrespective of the main world you're in. < 1305296424 548295 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't actually make any sense, but we kindly request that you pretend it does. < 1305296455 422002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this would kind of work if you had transactions on file system level < 1305296494 312409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could be certain you got an atomic snapshot of a file you started reading < 1305296503 70833 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1305296506 275664 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. < 1305296506 587672 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305296510 781266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, hm? < 1305296534 169294 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe < 1305296547 311252 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever. n/m me < 1305296549 330959 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy god reddit is dumb. < 1305296593 303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, That's hardly news < 1305296617 539477 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: its ever-increasing feats of stupidity are. < 1305296636 508822 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have to play with node.js. Should I care? < 1305296647 255054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, node.js? < 1305296652 722613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah < 1305296656 181443 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: No, it's terrible. < 1305296658 811181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what did it do this time? < 1305296666 458400 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: People have literally said "it's fast because it uses callbacks". < 1305296673 616205 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: What this means is you have to write your entire program in continuation-passing style. < 1305296675 362739 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything < 1305296680 348333 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305296684 781123 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion. < 1305296692 443353 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, ask Gregor, he STUDIES THE JAVAS for a living :P < 1305296717 311277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, what is node.js? < 1305296729 279448 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shitty server-side javascript async IO framework thing. < 1305296730 385369 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hip. < 1305296736 134357 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hipper than Rails used to be. < 1305296742 394485 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the thing that struck me about it is that it seems to provide an interface to Javascript as an "actual programming language", i.e., something I can use without too much pain outside a web browser. It even gives a REPL... < 1305296745 863169 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re what did it do this time: Paraphrase from reddit comment: "Of course, I support gay marriage. But HERE'S an objection I haven't been able to answer: WHAT IF THREE PEOPLE WANT TO GET MARRIED?????" < 1305296750 330807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers the time when javascript on websites mostly consisted of random alert()s and mouse over menus... < 1305296764 360470 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: v[eight] provides the REPL afaik. < 1305296787 429101 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: http://www.commonjs.org/ is meant to be the "JS outside the browser" thing that's spin off from all this. I'm not sure how much node.js obeys, but it apparently tries to. < 1305296792 537437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hipper than Rails used to be. <-- wow < 1305296797 374935 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does V8 provide enough of a standard library to make things non-hell? B/c that's the other thing that it seemed to be doing. e.g. a console object < 1305296807 598220 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, ok. < 1305296814 10760 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, apparently node.js is a "CommonJS Implementaiton". < 1305296818 800988 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is CouchDB. < 1305296823 981780 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a poor CommonJS implementation :P < 1305296824 320347 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to try and understand that one. < 1305296829 944913 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Yeah no V8 has no libraries. < 1305296831 123139 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf CouchDB has anything to do with JS? < 1305296838 470513 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, CouchDB queries are written in JS. < 1305296842 360134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because JS, like Erlang, is HIP. < 1305296843 984121 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but... < 1305296847 547905 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hipper than a literal fucking hip. < 1305296855 415458 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Imagine if POSIX was like this: "To be POSIX-conforming, you must implement open, read and write. The remainder of this spec is optional." < 1305296856 864005 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am poking my hip right now. It is not nearly as hip as Erlang. < 1305296859 28716 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That's CommonJS. < 1305296861 208782 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nice X-D < 1305296867 796475 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: To be fair, POSIX is sort of like that :P < 1305296868 698024 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so hip, I have trouble seeing past my pelvis. < 1305296917 126242 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SproutCore ... also a CommonJS implementation???? < 1305296919 247890 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah, but CommonJS is more extreme. It's a collection of sub-standards, and the only one necessary to be "a CommonJS implementation" is require() (think #include, but not quite so dumb) < 1305296924 738509 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to try and understand this. Not. Even. Going. To. Try. < 1305296936 747567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: To be fair, POSIX is sort of like that :P <-- much less in POSIX 2008 though < 1305296941 999360 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CommonJS: the Universal Specification < 1305296949 123776 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh man, #include. Because what we've learned since the seventies is, the seventies way to do a module system is DEFINITELY the best way to do a module system. < 1305296958 862741 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why everyone loves .h files. < 1305296961 888621 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an UNDYING PASSION. < 1305296980 868069 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, JS require() is include() except that you dump stuff into an object, and that object is exposed under the theory that it's like a module. < 1305296987 373981 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it only includes once. < 1305296990 576302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, alas I suspect the reason is a lot more prosaic. Because breaking backward compatibility is expensive < 1305296998 292834 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's still not a module system X-p < 1305297000 588293 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]X-P < 1305297002 386235 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it isn't. < 1305297011 142861 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's better than #include :P < 1305297023 160048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some girl wants to pay me to teach her how to set up a blog < 1305297033 33729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a girl I've mentioned here before) < 1305297034 529651 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's a euphemism. < 1305297039 410435 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also she's now Bloggy Atey. < 1305297042 230112 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Anyway, since require() is implementable in a browser, yes, browser JS libraries can be CommonJS implementations too *brain explodes* < 1305297044 844030 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLG-AT for short. < 1305297051 679513 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sweeeeeet < 1305297064 894816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why AT for everyone < 1305297069 206127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the reason < 1305297097 277614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how useless < 1305297107 148793 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because of the ridiculous melding of Alluded-To Female with Katie to produce K(a)T(ie)-A(lluded)T(o) the Alluded-To Female. < 1305297115 289051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305297121 186713 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it sounds like a robot from Doctor Who. < 1305297129 834074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, KT-AT sounds like something from starwars to me... < 1305297130 428863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305297130 510834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, there was an F there originally, iirc < 1305297148 751408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm wrong < 1305297155 287818 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or that :P < 1305297180 619758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I just don't remember what in star wars I'm thinking of... < 1305297189 288154 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPthreeO? < 1305297191 74002 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :et al < 1305297193 585239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm no < 1305297210 12386 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At-at? < 1305297216 724887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I think those walking thingies the Empire used on the ice planet or something had some such name < 1305297222 32403 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At-ats. < 1305297235 585269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it those found in the last movie, on that forest moon maybe < 1305297238 496152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something < 1305297256 556929 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_%28Star_Wars%29#All_Terrain_Armored_Transport_.28AT-AT.29 < 1305297265 654801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305297279 3780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is AT-ST too hm < 1305297287 282283 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305297299 30178 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably it then :P < 1305297310 245316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia: best reference on in-universe details for movies in existence. < 1305297325 541077 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Wookiepedia. < 1305297343 243059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well I meant in general < 1305297345 467534 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you awake < 1305297354 775617 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305297358 495355 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT-ST? All Terrain Silly Transport? < 1305297359 399765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that one wouldn't cover Dr Who, Star Trek and so on < 1305297361 694044 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's hip, I better implement something cool in it, so I can put it on my resume in case I need to get hired by one of them hip web 2.0 companies. This is the wisdom of ZOMGMODULES; do not reject it. < 1305297363 229064 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Do you URGENTLY need a FINN. < 1305297366 975659 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Dr Who" /quiet rage < 1305297367 57492 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305297370 646469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "scout" it seems, but yes rather silly < 1305297373 417258 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but crucially, the same finn as last time! < 1305297374 974857 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ZOMGMODULES is a Finn. < 1305297375 56926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what? < 1305297384 245338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, no, check /whois < 1305297388 582906 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's like calling the drink Doctor Pepper :P < 1305297400 348309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, err? yes and? < 1305297406 382153 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well... < 1305297418 172375 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Hired by a hip web 2.0 companies??? SIGNS ME UP < 1305297421 756322 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"D" is also short for Doctor, in say PhD < 1305297426 148998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, Dr is perfectly okay way to abbrev the word "Doctor" < 1305297426 734850 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could just say D.Who < 1305297445 804237 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For a start, no it's not, "Dr." is. < 1305297449 375860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, yes indeed, but only inside other abbrev < 1305297460 816025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I don't care about "." on irc mostly < 1305297463 254908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For second, it suggests that his name is Dr. Who, which is patently false, it isn't, it's The Doctor (not "The Dr." that's ridiculous). < 1305297470 885286 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I thought you Brits didn't do that dot thing on titular abbreviations < 1305297477 524805 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I demand you call him Philosophiae Doctor Who. < 1305297484 798034 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Da Who < 1305297484 980255 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph.D. Who. < 1305297493 201414 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I ... don't think we don't. < 1305297499 373171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well the tv series is called "Doctor Who" iirc rather than "The Doctor"? < 1305297503 244714 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu, Ph.D. < 1305297514 218879 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but that doesn't make "Dr. Who" any less misleading :P < 1305297514 592879 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the credits do < 1305297514 950399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, who cares < 1305297523 934100 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-show they never refer to the doctor as Doctor Who < 1305297526 804922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I disagree, but I don't care to argue about it < 1305297536 823796 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe once, in a throwaway situation where he's disguised < 1305297537 895871 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: comes from when I read HHGttG for the first time... though that might have been an Australian printing, come to think of it < 1305297538 521026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway is there a wiki about that tv series? < 1305297540 592645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is < 1305297552 148701 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: about doctor who? < 1305297553 447733 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305297558 633218 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chances of there not being a Doctor Who wiki is... like... less than zero. < 1305297561 626078 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki < 1305297568 325616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, I said the name of the tv series itself, I never said the name of the guy who is the main figure < 1305297569 585383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1305297577 613861 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21,924 articles. < 1305297578 382671 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1305297579 256295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what the credits list him as is completely irrelevant < 1305297585 284913 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, then thats correct, Vorpal < 1305297588 102722 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the series is Doctor Who < 1305297591 45306 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always has been < 1305297600 685705 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but "Dr. Who" is still a misleading abbreviation :) < 1305297605 409314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, which I argue can be abbreviated to "Dr. Who" < 1305297610 57583 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "Dr." is afaik universally used to put in front of people's names < 1305297611 146795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on irc I can drop that dot < 1305297612 561752 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya < 1305297616 647630 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been abbreviated like that afaik < 1305297630 296457 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been abbreviated like that, but that doesn't make the abbreviation any less misleading < 1305297641 455481 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305297644 712133 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not TOO misleading < 1305297662 736696 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more misleading than Ph.D. Whence, the One True Name of the series. < 1305297666 397301 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305297675 18654 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the fridgelogic behind it all is that he's the Doctor, and if he's a doctor, then his titled name is Dr. something or other < 1305297685 870944 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't he actually a four time Earth doctorate? < 1305297688 862458 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But.. Dr. /who/, exactly? < 1305297693 243331 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he's Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. The Doctor. < 1305297700 258763 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Ph.D. < 1305297701 324761 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats correct < 1305297702 481374 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Ph.D. < 1305297703 66513 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Ph.D. < 1305297704 109436 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Ph.D. < 1305297709 647948 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, MD < 1305297712 67754 :hiato!~nine@137.158.142.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305297718 11259 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor Pepper, Ph.D. SDD < 1305297718 950084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I think you collapse them? < 1305297723 990109 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doctor. < 1305297728 987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. < 1305297733 918553 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pepper. < 1305297737 751565 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Kitty is now a CommonJS implementation. < 1305297742 415488 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SDD = Soft Drink Design) < 1305297752 104443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, either works, that is my point < 1305297754 548323 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor, what does Dr Pepper fnarf like. < 1305297775 485747 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor Pepper, Ph.D. SDD is deliciousness. < 1305297803 485496 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally your sense of fnarf coincides with the more common sense of taste. < 1305297830 922200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliciousness is a fnarf? < 1305297849 275686 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today it is < 1305297877 31487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, does haskell's System.IO function expect UTF-8 or is there a way to specify perhaps? < 1305297895 648035 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: UTF-8 by default; see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/System-IO.html for how to change that. < 1305297901 259468 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/System-IO.html#g:23 < 1305297909 431722 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the openBinaryFile stuff. < 1305297914 178396 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Fnarf is the sense I apparently have to replace a more conventional sense of taste, without an adequately-functioning sense of smell. < 1305297917 816268 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hSetBinaryMode. < 1305297928 749260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm, I'm working on a bit older system here, I guess I'll get 6.12.1 docs instead < 1305297945 124663 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.12.1 is not the latest release. < 1305297954 154202 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not even the latest 6-series release. < 1305297957 860532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this is Ubuntu 10.04 LTS < 1305297958 377932 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]It < 1305297960 807264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what I got on here < 1305297975 62635 :hiato!~nine@137.158.142.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1305297980 281200 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but you really should update regardless; that release is over a year old. < 1305297984 492715 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, almost a year and a half. < 1305297989 501158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, 10.04? yes indeed < 1305297989 852255 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1305297994 610737 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the current Haskell Platform won't even build with the six series. < 1305297995 124149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a year old < 1305297996 761698 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, that GHC. < 1305298003 992086 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That GHC doesn't even support the latest Haskell standard. < 1305298011 856522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well I want my system to work with older stuff < 1305298021 321973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why do you not code C99, but mostly C89? < 1305298024 249537 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305298028 451126 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, GHC 7 is perfectly backwards-compatible. < 1305298047 439534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so everything I write for GHC 7 will work with GHC 6.12.1? I doubt that < 1305298053 987202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse is probably true < 1305298058 616582 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unless you use certain Template Haskell features. < 1305298070 371844 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Haskell twothousandandten is mostly a formalisation of various GHC extensions that have existed for years. < 1305298081 60928 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the C89/C99 comparison is disingenuous for several reasons that I don't nearly care enough to devote the time towards. < 1305298087 813622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so the only new thing in ghc 7 is template stuff? < 1305298089 583276 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I code plenty of C99 too. < 1305298099 733406 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"code plenty" < 1305298105 656713 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to use that phrase now < 1305298106 948921 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is the only thing that will affect you; a minor top-level Template Haskell syntax change (the optional omission of three characters). < 1305298116 174026 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other changes, but they are even more irrelevant. < 1305298124 614401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well I don't use template haskell afaik. < 1305298134 674646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it useful, should I learn it? < 1305298148 356534 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful for automating declarations and the like. < 1305298161 25541 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically Lisp macros for Haskell on crack. < 1305298163 178452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, probably not needed to implement a compiler for a simple esolang < 1305298171 278675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :↓→ to be exact < 1305298174 350218 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the most pleasant thing to use most of the time, but the end results are swanky. < 1305298229 952906 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably never use it < 1305298238 759988 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, strangely, I have used Felix < 1305298242 464504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm which sort of grammars can Parsec deal with btw (not that I need it for ↓→.... it is trivial to parse)... < 1305298258 999535 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All of them"? < 1305298270 978586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, context sensitive ones? ;P < 1305298273 267075 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Parsec can handle CSGs? :P < 1305298281 64626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, beat you to it < 1305298285 418279 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just combinators, right? < 1305298326 959208 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec can handle more than just context-free, I believe < 1305298329 180746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305298331 377746 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effectively Turing complete. < 1305298337 320048 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't say a word you have like fifty messages. < 1305298341 543909 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, "all of them" < 1305298355 579564 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Well, no, it can't handle the grammars a UTM can't parse :> < 1305298365 322963 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus "quotes" < 1305298393 682470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@say I wonder if lambdabot will count this as me asking it for messages... < 1305298393 801342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: faq map slap src < 1305298404 724803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Yes, yes it does. < 1305298404 863653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1305298415 950730 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAY SOMETHING NORMAL SO IT TELLS YOU < 1305298416 367826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@I shall have to speak like this from now on. < 1305298416 468336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v < 1305298433 348107 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305298434 393351 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​292) actually, I think vorpal is the "retarded team member" to the left < 1305298440 676810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elliott HAHAHAHA I HAVE OUTSMARTED YOU < 1305298440 758744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1305298444 381626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, next question: haskell libraries for DFA based regexp engine? < 1305298451 950831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads scrollback < 1305298455 532484 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: regex-dfa, but why do you want regexps? < 1305298461 987131 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't see anything in DownRight warranting them and they are ugly. < 1305298479 846508 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1305298481 428742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, no it was just in general < 1305298483 878263 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's POSIX regexps. < 1305298485 680242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I was thinking about parsing < 1305298493 827716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or is tdfa better. < 1305298495 408349 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX regexps? *vomits* < 1305298496 285430 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Deewiant. < 1305298502 857786 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Parsing -> Parsec. No exceptions. < 1305298511 520657 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's binary data, in which case binary, or ByteStrings (network stuff), in which case attoparsec. < 1305298515 214792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, from what I remember posix regexp are not dfa based on linux at least, unless it has it's own implementation < 1305298515 559682 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really. Parsec. No exceptions. < 1305298523 402355 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's its own. < 1305298524 244105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, lambdabot timed out when I asked it for your messages. < 1305298530 606475 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...wow. < 1305298536 791221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I refuse to use Parsec for ↓→ because that would be utterly silly :P < 1305298546 114090 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it wouldn't? < 1305298549 956018 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec is completely lightweight. < 1305298561 553076 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like refusing to use a list because you only need four elements. < 1305298561 902943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wait what? It is a simple splitting on whitespaces? < 1305298570 23172 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? It's grouped into blocks. < 1305298583 287596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm, so then I would have to learn parsec < 1305298583 802035 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1305298589 165951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is parsec like then < 1305298593 398298 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec ::= {{"↓" | "→"} "\n"}. < 1305298597 125130 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh < 1305298602 954757 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DownRight ::= {{"↓" | "→"} "\n"}. < 1305298613 987656 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Easy. < 1305298615 562669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Plugin `tell' failed with: thread killed < 1305298616 774463 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoid left recursion. Done. < 1305298622 215311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, space separates groups? < 1305298633 365975 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah < 1305298637 699044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, any number of spaces btw < 1305298639 157800 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, maybe it does have a grammar < 1305298650 78760 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there you go.. Use Parsec! < 1305298651 160697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ... < 1305298660 434961 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? < 1305298665 293636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Avoid left recursion. Done. < 1305298670 92098 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Parsec might be a bitch in that it's a two-dimensional language, but parsing those is a bitch in any circumstance, and Parsec will at least lessen the pain. < 1305298672 373991 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What of it? < 1305298674 427090 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... elliott_: ... ais523: ... < 1305298680 964524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well what stuff do I call? Does it work like lex or such? < 1305298685 520083 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1305298689 22769 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a library. < 1305298695 842029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, right I have never used it < 1305298698 186952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I'm asking < 1305298715 350592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I presume you give it a grammar definition somehow, like you do for lex, yacc and so on? < 1305298719 798252 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1305298721 128704 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a library. < 1305298739 833952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so how do I use the libary then, what calls? < 1305298756 76161 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTFM < 1305298758 16028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I just do Parsec.DownRight.ParseMagially() < 1305298760 67743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305298775 983735 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I am going to recite the manual for you since you want to know what calls I guess < 1305298787 924755 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec < 1305298788 6639 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Description < 1305298788 100606 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1305298788 182781 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synopsis < 1305298788 182946 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * module Text.Parsec.Prim < 1305298788 977535 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * module Text.Parsec.Char < 1305298792 988249 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * module Text.Parsec.Combinator < 1305298794 913242 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * module Text.Parsec.String < 1305298796 819093 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * module Text.Parsec.ByteString < 1305298798 893899 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * module Text.Parsec.ByteString.Lazy < 1305298800 779661 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * data ParseError < 1305298802 894579 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * errorPos :: ParseError -> SourcePos < 1305298804 844126 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * data SourcePos < 1305298806 774187 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * type SourceName = String < 1305298808 742987 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * type Line = Int < 1305298810 719702 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * type Column = Int < 1305298812 813269 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * sourceName :: SourcePos -> SourceName < 1305298814 868702 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * sourceLine :: SourcePos -> Line < 1305298816 989569 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * sourceColumn :: SourcePos -> Column < 1305298818 927785 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * incSourceLine :: SourcePos -> Line -> SourcePos < 1305298822 818848 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * incSourceColumn :: SourcePos -> Column -> SourcePos < 1305298824 797743 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * setSourceLine :: SourcePos -> Line -> SourcePos < 1305298826 859642 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * setSourceColumn :: SourcePos -> Column -> SourcePos < 1305298828 821175 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : * setSourceName :: SourcePos -> SourceName -> SourcePos < 1305298830 795086 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Documentation < 1305298832 836020 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Text.Parsec.Prim < 1305298832 917175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, erm, you're probably going to have to tell me the last messages you sent. < 1305298834 742941 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Text.Parsec.Char < 1305298836 726664 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Text.Parsec.Combinator < 1305298838 834685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Text.Parsec.String < 1305298840 985430 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Text.Parsec.ByteString < 1305298842 799322 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Text.Parsec.ByteString.Lazy < 1305298844 868045 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first part < 1305298846 858810 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I keep going < 1305298849 14898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It marked them all as read. < 1305298866 371437 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes < 1305298873 671249 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cut off penises < 1305298887 250011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you learn to do it in Prolog first, the Haskell version will be much clearer < 1305298902 729730 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What. < 1305298917 894210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you think Haskell invented parser combinators? < 1305298918 139128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay.... But will the total work of Prolog + Haskell be less than Haskell from the start? < 1305298922 220001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1305298922 937761 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say what, that's actually a perfectly typical ais523 statement but then one of their defining properties is that they floor me. < 1305298928 378559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then I'll pass < 1305298932 577147 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since Parsec's model of parser combinators is very unlike Prolog parsing. < 1305298935 485626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305298954 544382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, you can compose parsers more or less the same way you can compose functions < 1305298967 294164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting < 1305298976 17723 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's like writing a PEG grammar but with a bunch of Haskell operators. < 1305298977 597466 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome. < 1305298977 908552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that instead of operating on the result of each other, they parse adjacent bits of the input < 1305298994 208970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305299006 107161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: something I'm not sure of about Parsec; does the parsers it generates do any sort of backtracking, or is it just lookahead-based? < 1305299012 514727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax used would work for either < 1305299018 663881 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Backtracking, naturally. < 1305299020 646088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would I actually want it to parse ↓→ though...? < 1305299028 282320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust elliott_ about such things < 1305299039 664358 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec is only marginally overweight for /brainfuck/. < 1305299049 94441 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is literally a small pile of functions included with every Haskell distribution. < 1305299054 459104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes but parsing ↓→ is easier than bf :P < 1305299054 833117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything Yes. And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion. < 1305299056 246963 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​413) I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything Yes. And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion. < 1305299060 231662 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that it's extensible, fast, and has addon modules that makes parsing everything trivial. < 1305299075 786516 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alternative is manually writing a recursive parser, which is just throwing simple abstraction out the window. < 1305299085 386210 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would fix that with the correct spacing, but delquote is broken < 1305299089 515130 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yay, quote ​413 < 1305299105 684974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that ↳ is actually parsed in a 1D style, according to the spec < 1305299108 674062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Parsec's even more appropriate < 1305299111 149578 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEANWHILE ON THE INTERNET < 1305299112 394502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, for bf yes, for this however I would only tail recurse, but sure. < 1305299112 569419 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it okay for one person to say no to sex in a marriage? And why is it not okay to cheat in this situation? :( (self.AskReddit) < 1305299125 51911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(despite being a 2D language, the input is interpreted as a stream of bytes) < 1305299141 506303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305299150 880426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I would love it if you gave an answer to that based on game theory and Nash equilibria < 1305299158 737775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, I suspect, the only technically correct answer < 1305299178 107612 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unfortunately I'm too busy crying that someone could possibly ask "And why is it not okay to cheat this situation?", and then especially follow it up with ":(". < 1305299207 981816 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the first sentence has pretty much lead me into facepalm city already so I'm just going to forget I ever saw it. < 1305299220 176660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can only trace the why back one level < 1305299260 522592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of like asking why a certain species of insect, when it needs to hide from predators, has the rule that it can hide in any hiding place used by another of the same species of insect, and the other insect has to leave to make room < 1305299275 741250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this leads to an interesting sort of relay race of running from predators, even if it makes no sense < 1305299290 451055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it makes some sense, but it's hard to see how it came about in the first place < 1305299298 679629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure it's relevant to cheating on spouses, though < 1305299303 95344 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for using Parsec, I found working from a simple example helps < 1305299315 119254 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can provide such, if desired < 1305299316 321062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, ah < 1305299320 862699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, yes, thanks < 1305299328 589138 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, for parsing S-expressions or such. < 1305299340 354075 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not exactly that, but... one sec < 1305299341 327891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, do you have one for parsing ↓→? ;) < 1305299374 162998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wikipedia: best reference on in-universe details for movies in existence. <-- I disagree, there's nearly always a specialist wiki that does better, and I generally seek it out when I need to know that sort of information < 1305299407 355591 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not entirely sure it's relevant to cheating on spouses, though < 1305299409 625340 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You misspelled "spice" < 1305299419 625943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well okay, but the joke was that wikipedia shouldn't really deal with that level of detail that it has < 1305299426 864426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For second, it suggests that his name is Dr. Who, which is patently false, it isn't, it's The Doctor (not "The Dr." that's ridiculous). <--- he was once actually called Doctor Who by a character in the series, but it's generally regarded to be a mistake < 1305299455 447757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the funny thing is that I was talking about the name of the series, not the name of the character < 1305299488 137258 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we knew that. < 1305299494 596774 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never once contradicted that or believed otherwise. < 1305299496 506811 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is dr who anyway? < 1305299501 239088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always assumed he's a rapper < 1305299507 71338 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: precisely < 1305299510 31470 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have got it completely right < 1305299512 431173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how olko < 1305299515 478989 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dr pepper's best bro < 1305299542 690844 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://pastie.org/1897125 < 1305299557 858551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you think Wikipedia is full of irrelevant in-universe speculation, you should see some of the more specific wikis < 1305299562 796110 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you sound slightly sarcastific < 1305299565 134824 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastie's literate haskell synatx highlighting leaves something to be desired < 1305299568 587358 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: ew, mingling whitespace skipping in with the rest of the parsing :) < 1305299574 830453 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S YOUR OPINION FOR THE MOMENT < 1305299583 509457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, actually it is a sci-fi TV series featuring a time traveling "police box" (which is a weird UK thingy looking a bit like an old style telephone booth) < 1305299593 399780 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and we love you for it < 1305299595 332622 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1305299597 839319 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He's a rapper. < 1305299605 736977 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :time travel? eww < 1305299606 968471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, thanks < 1305299611 504263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently found a page on Bulbapedia that was all about fan speculation as to which characters from Pokémon would be likely to have a romantic relationship if they ever met, which they hadn't < 1305299612 22064 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: he's a rapper < 1305299616 970924 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is trolling you < 1305299625 670023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the evidence was incredibly tenuous < 1305299632 835460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, if you google you will find elliott_ is the one trolling you < 1305299637 917192 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PETTY CONCERNS LIKE PLOT CANNOT GET IN THE WAY OF SHIPPING < 1305299644 397449 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Google is communist lies. < 1305299647 870305 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Don't believe the reptilian Jews. < 1305299649 56151 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: better to live in a lie than have more time travel in my world < 1305299653 70968 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Dr Who is the only true rapper out there. < 1305299657 242581 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's so bro. < 1305299663 21950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it was more, that the only evidence that they had was that the characters were similar < 1305299666 864619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, heh < 1305299680 405517 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? what? i'm dr. who, and i'm here to do a check-up on you - woooo woooo < 1305299688 676862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, no the only true rapper would surely be MC Frontalot? < 1305299699 75826 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Dr Who specialises in one-word rhymes. < 1305299707 711766 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Who / Blue / Shoe / Flew / Out / The / Windoo < 1305299713 58902 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His most iconic lines. < 1305299716 951715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one of them was technically impossible (Kris was replaced by Lyra in an updated remake, they just renamed and restyled the main character of the game, which lead to Kris x Lyra shippings which makes no sense at all, as in it's not clear what it's even meant to mean) < 1305299723 111976 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1305299736 77691 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: wow < 1305299754 267471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like shipping the Python 2 print statement and Python 3 print function < 1305299759 107629 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't you mean ... oot / thoo ... < 1305299762 432916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that they're similar < 1305299768 7493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come to think of it, someone's probably already done that) < 1305299769 236397 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and w'ndoo < 1305299771 355174 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I'm ... gonna do that now. < 1305299776 473918 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I not? < 1305299777 852701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any tools to generate parsers given BNF? < 1305299781 629529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1305299788 451135 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's... called yacc... < 1305299795 32531 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote are there any tools to generate parsers given BNF? that would be cool < 1305299796 262529 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​414) are there any tools to generate parsers given BNF? that would be cool < 1305299796 815326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that's not exactly BNF iirc < 1305299803 840989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, besides I meant for haskell < 1305299805 143423 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1305299810 219935 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's more than bnf < 1305299831 806221 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some stupid hacks on top of it < 1305299835 769270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, from what I remember yacc/bison does a superset of BNF < 1305299848 815237 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric := stupid hacks on top of it < 1305299853 882262 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cut off penises < 1305299856 99451 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WRITE ONE < 1305299871 289030 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, not even that hard < 1305299874 269311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, maybe another day, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel < 1305299879 125466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, in yacc, more or less literally write BNF and get a parser < 1305299891 733707 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305299892 537530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not massively useful, as all you'll get is either a parse error or successful termination < 1305299898 420981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it isn't exactly the same syntax, so it doesn't really count < 1305299903 529504 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305299903 734579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 414 < 1305299905 421393 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* < 1305299912 814968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 414 < 1305299914 361587 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305299917 150418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305299919 367489 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BNF x = Seq BNF BNF | Alt BNF BNF | Kleene BNF | Literal x < 1305299921 856003 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait it does poof now? < 1305299923 401952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of yacc is that you can add actions as well to actually make the parser do something < 1305299923 871689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes < 1305299932 423285 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then interpret that structure, calling Parsec to do the actual work < 1305299950 589046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, is there yacc for haskell < 1305299956 961324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec looks annoying compared to yacc < 1305299961 690868 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAKSKELL < 1305299966 15339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec's a lot simpler than yacc < 1305299971 745121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean, to use < 1305299979 347433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you could easily get a BNF->parsec compiler, though < 1305299981 120501 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yacc is hell to use < 1305299985 981996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, possibly because I know yacc but not parsec < 1305299993 50118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know both, parsec is simpler < 1305299994 431465 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Augh, you've made me want to figure out the number of possible Homestuck ships out of utter morbid curiosity just so I can boggle at the combinatorial ridiculousness of the resulting number. < 1305300002 489753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, I shall google yaskell, I assume you wouldn't have mentioned it unless it exists < 1305300003 533645 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully my desire to spend NO TIME ON DOING THAT WHATSOEVER outweighs the morbid curiosity. < 1305300003 680219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: 2^(number of characters) < 1305300006 946434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NOPE < 1305300012 382090 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That only applies if you have one type of romantic relationship. < 1305300014 915684 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or a BNF interpreter, implemented using Parsec < 1305300016 385527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, LIAR! < 1305300022 293197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I didn't say (number of characters)^2 < 1305300036 490921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume people can come up with 0-person and 1-person ships < 1305300045 902179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they've managed to come up with everything /else/ < 1305300063 815763 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's actually called Happy < 1305300067 90580 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That would work for matespritship, but not moirallegiance, kismessisitude or auspisticism. < 1305300074 458945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, hm < 1305300076 229695 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the last involves three elements. < 1305300076 677602 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh. < 1305300079 725448 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not want to think about this any further. < 1305300084 246910 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad thoughts. < 1305300089 611265 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do not use it. Use Parsec. This is the wisdom of ZOMGMODULES. < 1305300103 587418 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Vorpal: it's actually called Happy Vorpal: Do not use it. Use Parsec. This is the wisdom of ZOMGMODULES. < 1305300104 654417 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​414) Vorpal: it's actually called Happy Vorpal: Do not use it. Use Parsec. This is the wisdom of ZOMGMODULES. < 1305300107 885325 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES strongly discourages the use of happiness. < 1305300113 730648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, so why do you hate yacc syntax? < 1305300116 36883 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, protip: when saying phrases like "This is the wisdom of ZOMGMODULES" on IRC, you can tab-complete your own nick. < 1305300160 248723 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is this homestuck thing anyway? i always assumed he was a rapper < 1305300161 259850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I've changed my nick just to be able to tab-complete a particular word before < 1305300178 212338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, a web comic :P < 1305300185 811857 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't like the interleaving of BNF++ and C. < 1305300191 615283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, about... uh that's a bit compled < 1305300205 784945 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Yes. < 1305300208 109330 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Homestuck is a rapper. < 1305300214 569435 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's the kismesis of Dr Who. < 1305300215 303657 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo they call me homestuck, i don't give no fuck < 1305300226 429645 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Who's all up on my duck < 1305300235 236931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : He's the kismesis of Dr Who. <-- which quadrant was that, I forgot < 1305300253 322299 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hate. < 1305300261 165657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and left or right side? < 1305300267 480107 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, bottom-left. < 1305300270 956200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305300273 805896 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so glad my head contains this information. < 1305300275 161666 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So glad. < 1305300278 637445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1305300287 581628 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, clubs. < 1305300293 310257 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GLAD THIS IS TAKING UP SPACE IN MY HEAD < 1305300294 554806 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE NO IDEA < 1305300295 341886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway homestuck allows more than one relationship at once so... < 1305300296 801137 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW GLAD < 1305300302 245561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah your logic doesn't work < 1305300344 8178 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To summarise in less infuriatingly unrevealing terms, there are three two-pairing types and one three-pairing type, so I'm fairly sure the actual total number is ridiculous. < 1305300359 900794 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you count every single soldier as a character which OBVIOUSLY you do. < 1305300365 781348 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna go join another channel now < 1305300368 123155 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are things that logical people do. < 1305300373 82822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's a finite list of allowed sorts of ships? < 1305300378 419262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can we make an esolang out of this? < 1305300386 388584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305300392 89008 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's good attitude maybe saved me < 1305300396 676712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to implement reproduction in order to make it TC, though, otherwise you'd only have finite storage < 1305300398 53764 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Don't make me try and explain troll romance. It's basically a gigantic ploy by Andrew Hussie to troll every single one of his readers by bullshitting them. < 1305300400 864633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that only applies to the trolls though < 1305300403 48116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humans... < 1305300417 363074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: That would work for matespritship, but not moirallegiance, kismessisitude or auspisticism. < 1305300419 144966 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Moirallegiance probably still applies augh why am I humouring AH the bastard. < 1305300419 892884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no. < 1305300431 516122 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: ISN'T THIS CHANNEL GREAT RIGHT NOW IT TOTALLY IS < 1305300437 560491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that is... which quadrant? < 1305300447 28831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4^|characters| is the absolute upper bound on relationships. < 1305300447 511586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper right? < 1305300449 888327 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TOP-RIGHT X_X < 1305300454 14170 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hurry up on that esolang < 1305300459 773518 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i hope that isn't child pornography whew equally cute tho, have to admit < 1305300461 123388 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​415) i hope that isn't child pornography whew equally cute tho, have to admit < 1305300462 823776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes I didn't remember the names for it < 1305300524 686165 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent channel-killing move by me there < 1305300528 396391 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've officially hit rock-bottom < 1305300536 541425 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305300553 846161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I was once asked to kill a channel as people there didn't like the current conversation < 1305300558 56713 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cut off penises < 1305300565 284974 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a horrible catch phrase < 1305300566 666916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I said "I mostly play Nintendo portables and Linux games", and that worked fine < 1305300570 60903 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305300570 241892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it'll work again, though < 1305300572 951411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loses its shock value < 1305300599 563594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was the channel about? Not Nintendo portables and Linux games I guess? < 1305300604 23123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about gaming generally < 1305300607 359821 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was [hash]luigiandalsonethack < 1305300617 363010 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lui Giandal Sonet Hack) < 1305300624 846314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if even derailing a channel can cure me of my desire to be ontopic < 1305300637 872244 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Says the guy just talking about Pokemon shipping. < 1305300646 439567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah, I read that as "lugi" first what with the nintendo stuff, so the rest didn't parse for me < 1305300654 720996 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen a girl with the biggest tits ever today, and she was skinny too < 1305300660 124655 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :my day started well. < 1305300662 538542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I still have a desire to be ontopic < 1305300664 299147 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whoosh < 1305300668 501872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just kind-of hard in here < 1305300677 955935 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it NP-Hard? < 1305300689 30194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I don't think that's a standard whoosh circumstance < 1305300692 74488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D < 1305300700 635250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more missing the syntax of the joke, than the semantics < 1305300705 571660 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried killing the chat but didn't manage < 1305300721 689293 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power of mental ignore. < 1305300731 283756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "and also" < 1305300732 257723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305300768 261457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there an ISO standard perhaps defining standard whoosh circumstance? < 1305300775 483033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think so < 1305300786 610081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be < 1305300871 48240 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305300912 306998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305300923 765081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was wondering if we'd scared you off < 1305300984 707756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, X messed up. < 1305300988 531081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scare /me/ off? < 1305301009 996072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I'll be here forever < 1305301016 723721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I do prefer it when it's talking about esolangs < 1305301023 169283 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: my dick gets np-hard when i'm soaked in pee-space < 1305301025 87986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays it's typically tolerable even when it isn't < 1305301039 943839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305301044 158809 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts as well < 1305301045 194372 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs and off-colour complexity theory humour < 1305301051 63437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i plan to stick around here until i've been here long enough that nobody can come up with any excuse not to op me any more < 1305301053 109883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1305301056 189554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the reckoning begins < 1305301059 233593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all will perish < 1305301069 485718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after i laugh this off as a joke to get the final op bit of course < 1305301075 530161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the excuse "this channel doesn't need any more ops"? < 1305301099 993085 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here under court order < 1305301139 812889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Counter: "I'm so elder, people leave and never come back just because I tell them I'm banning them" < 1305301144 219091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO WHAT DOES IT MATTER < 1305301157 681676 :SOLEIL!~SOLEIL@dax40-1-78-231-117-36.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305301185 893426 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning SOLEIL < 1305301189 679178 :SOLEIL!~SOLEIL@dax40-1-78-231-117-36.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: MegaIRC v4.06 http://ironfist.at.tut.by < 1305301205 754379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night SOLEIL < 1305301211 607081 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i heard pgraham was so good, he doesn't need viagra, because he's np-hard! < 1305301347 484247 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i umm < 1305301352 190822 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go -> < 1305301813 900548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK I hate what I have become but I will say that Homestuck has at the very least over 6448 possible shippings. < 1305301824 254463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting only major characters. < 1305301831 343978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go get drunk and shoot myself. < 1305301838 452445 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate whatyou have become too < 1305301844 263746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too ZOMGMODULES. < 1305301845 34966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1305301876 289395 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a *very* specific hate though, because I have only inferred what any of this is or means. < 1305301887 490565 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wish no more knowledge of it than that. < 1305301889 824628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all ais523's fault. < 1305301894 555884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all Pokemon's fault. < 1305301969 55690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My aglets have short life spans < 1305302051 567105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK TO HOW UGLY THIS HASKELL CODE IS < 1305302177 242958 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40f41.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305302308 41748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: btw i agree re: pure's input is horrible < 1305302324 8029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assign a to gets and then evaluate a+a, it reads a line twice... augh < 1305302330 866538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i get the motivation but < 1305302331 724255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1305302332 662648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so < 1305302333 165475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1305302335 102431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense < 1305302508 355104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tehz's response at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Unparseable makes no sense, right? < 1305302512 86120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking it's not just me < 1305302576 575538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume a loop is a nested goto. < 1305302606 614187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : My aglets have short life spans <-- why < 1305302610 759024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)bar does foo, then bar, while (foo loop)bar does foo over and over again. < 1305302613 728686 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TRY FELIX NAO < 1305302625 473834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: YEAAAAAAHON < 1305302627 5789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305302628 501323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: YEAAAAAANO < 1305302630 825402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because they tend to get stepped on. Not sure < 1305302644 162109 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Felix has the best everything of all languages." -- Felix home page < 1305302678 271473 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40f41.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305302683 532189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a real problem, it makes it impossible to keep my laces in without them, so I tend to walk around with my shoes undone. This wouldn't be a problem except for people always pointing it out < 1305302695 881056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,addquote < 1305302736 237501 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re Unparseable, I could only make sense of "loop" if it means "block" < 1305302744 203038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, except it doesn't actually say that < 1305302760 608600 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you think I would LIE about FELIX? < 1305302765 960386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"megathreadingng"? Really? < 1305302786 260821 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Felix's home page and Falcon's home page are actually the same page < 1305302802 745291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: TRY FELIX NAO <-- every time people write "now" as "nao" I think of nethack.alt.org... < 1305302834 95817 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Felix provides the best contract programming system of any production language." if you want accuracy < 1305302846 495884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : But it's a real problem, it makes it impossible to keep my laces in without them, so I tend to walk around with my shoes undone. This wouldn't be a problem except for people always pointing it out <-- use shorter laces so you don't step on them < 1305302860 243904 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the stuff about how it's a scripting language that compiles to C++ to take advantage of ZOMGOPTOMIZATIONS also tickles me < 1305302899 596554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Felix's home page and Falcon's home page are actually the same page < 1305302900 989212 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripting language. whole program analysis. together at last < 1305302901 70618 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​416) Felix's home page and Falcon's home page are actually the same page < 1305302914 764377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote scripting language. whole program analysis. together at last < 1305302916 212127 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​417) scripting language. whole program analysis. together at last < 1305302918 447251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Felix's home page and Falcon's home page are actually the same page <-- that explains so much < 1305302942 214307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's because they tend to get stepped on. Not sure < 1305302954 445124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, are you unable to tie shoelaces properly? < 1305302966 553328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1305302967 818175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, either that or he uses way too long ones < 1305302968 899962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laces should be well off the ground, unless they're pointlessly long. < 1305302986 265704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: tehz's response at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Unparseable makes no sense, right? <--- it took me rather aback, I think loops in Unparseable are like Perl's degenerate loop {}, which iterates exactly once < 1305303004 87257 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also called a "block" < 1305303004 331311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: TehZ says something stupid? < 1305303007 136903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG REALLY < 1305303010 14951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say that sometimes I don't tie my shoes, even when those things aren't damaged, but I have shoes that I'd prefer in those circumstances < 1305303013 436340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is only useful because it obeys loop control instructions like last and redo < 1305303014 881483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes his aback back where it came from < 1305303015 598338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would surely make it sub-tc, unless there is another way to make an infinite loop < 1305303020 146728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure how they get damaged < 1305303020 692836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's not answering PH's question < 1305303025 302468 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby got aback < 1305303048 499967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I can tie my shoes just fine. Although I learned to do so a few years later than the other kids < 1305303049 528325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can just to the equivalent of {redo;} from Perl < 1305303058 927771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1305303063 55729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know much perl, what does redo do? < 1305303085 953524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes back to the start of the loop, without checking the condition again (for any loop with conditions) or doing the for loop go-to-next-element bit < 1305303094 132079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, like gotoing a label just inside the loop < 1305303110 575636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so not exactly like continue; then? < 1305303112 279163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305303124 166267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope; Perl has next which is exactly like continue < 1305303127 159233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has redo as well, which isn't < 1305303138 587079 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so { ... if(x) redo; } is a "repeat loop" < 1305303143 878092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does perl have goto in the C sense= < 1305303148 518275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1305303169 471852 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it does < 1305303169 798688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, ugly but I get it < 1305303186 670229 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's like the opposite of Mouse's loop, which I actually like < 1305303209 356710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, I'm not familiar with Mouse's loop < 1305303212 382451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1305303221 695727 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the syntax, but all loops are of the form: is while(1) { ... if (x) break; ... } < 1305303224 702324 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1305303228 974134 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1305303232 401812 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is// < 1305303238 433181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, that is also ugly :P < 1305303243 173873 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's elegant! < 1305303248 819640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the condition is there for a reason < 1305303264 482104 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, of course the proper way to do a loop is by tail recursion < 1305303278 519992 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also the proper way to design a microprocessor < 1305303288 922040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, tail recursion? hm < 1305303290 917094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perl does have a C-style goto, but you aren't really supposed to use it < 1305303291 795595 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's not get into that < 1305303296 97498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail recursion is just low-level iteration in disguise < 1305303296 444433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also uses the goto keyword for tail-recursion < 1305303306 677773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's practically goto ;) < 1305303308 794416 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the "good goto" in perl. i quite like that < 1305303319 665718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : tail recursion is just low-level iteration in disguise <-- yes < 1305303319 830832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: asterisk tail calls < 1305303333 368499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1305303337 412293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do other sorts of tail calls too < 1305303346 733570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tail recursion is the only time where you really get a gain from tail-calling < 1305303358 909390 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only? < 1305303374 914174 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, gimme a clever compiler... < 1305303375 681251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rest of the time, it just hurts O(1) in stack space < 1305303400 661089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but tail recursion is the only time where you really get a gain from tail-calling < 1305303402 391861 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a gain, granted < 1305303403 263972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no < 1305303416 367976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tail recursion, you can just replace it with a while one loop, basically < 1305303418 254639 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your tail calls lead to themselves < 1305303424 808288 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :through chains of tail calls < 1305303428 629842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mutually recursive functions, tail calls are impossible to optimise locally < 1305303429 65743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: that is tail recursion, by definition < 1305303432 891448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1305303433 853727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1305303439 477117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail recursion is when you tail call yourself directly < 1305303441 747659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, that is still tail recursion, but involving more than one function in the cycle? < 1305303442 161713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]... < 1305303443 599666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I consider mutual recursion purely via tailcalls to still be tail recursion < 1305303444 449378 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mututally recursive tail recursion may or may not be recursion. < 1305303449 733228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're just using different terminology here, I fear < 1305303451 374059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then you are using a different definition to everyone else. < 1305303453 771807 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have my dictionary with me < 1305303456 573781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does your computer have a numpad? < 1305303468 927375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Your definition isn't really useful because your definition of "tail call" becomes kind of pointless because "tail recursion" is the only real useful sense < 1305303480 559755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have no language to talk about the trivially-optimisable kind that Guido thinks are the only kind :) < 1305303483 416243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And no, it's a laptop. < 1305303485 29280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and that's exactly what I was been saying! < 1305303493 89525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I have been saying < 1305303496 63495 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, tail calls w/o recursion may permit inlining, or something < 1305303506 97605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then stop using a less universal language that nobody else is using :) < 1305303506 179802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, does your computer have a numpad? <-- yes my desktop does, by laptop doesn't, unless you count the useless one accessed with the Fn key < 1305303508 778435 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might lead to different cache behavior < 1305303511 940361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less universal in that it can express less. < 1305303515 484852 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might lead to significant performance changes < 1305303517 978621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he was asking me. < 1305303524 199035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that response would have been correct if zzo38 had asked the question < 1305303527 150050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I'm still miffed Pure has modules. < 1305303534 779460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he never said a nick, so that isn't very clear < 1305303538 405855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how so? < 1305303544 577539 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see my previous 3 lines < 1305303544 836458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was perfectly clear. < 1305303548 275188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because anything zzo38 says is, by default, out of context < 1305303550 926821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but yes your question seemed very zzoish in that context < 1305303585 25179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Erm. < 1305303587 174077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Not modules. < 1305303588 512762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It was perfectly clear. <-- nope < 1305303589 109896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Macros. < 1305303591 659740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm miffed it has macros. < 1305303592 516720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yup. < 1305303596 246164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1305303599 72405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1305303601 215012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we can go on forever) < 1305303603 491616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd be miffed at something having modules? < 1305303604 287840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305303608 175356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you weren't forced to use them < 1305303609 133293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I assure you I can go on longer. < 1305303609 670054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1305303616 590709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I said we, not I < 1305303624 672065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305303625 356047 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, macros in Pure make no sense < 1305303628 641650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way you have the same amount of patience for this I do. < 1305303629 741432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1305303637 605813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: They're just a kludge for not having a good inliner :( < 1305303638 714738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1305303642 528583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1305303645 880467 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's sort of an example of the non-design behind the language in general, for me < 1305303646 905349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose the issue is that I've been dealing with my PhD, where any situation in which the same function can appear on the call stack has to be considered to be recursion < 1305303649 547021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly, nope < 1305303656 544631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can appear twice or more on the call stack < 1305303656 632529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange how you know these are directed at you, I mentioned no nick < 1305303657 372230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it wasn't clear to me < 1305303657 500245 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing things in it, and saying, "... why?" < 1305303658 79216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1305303659 997104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305303660 399000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1305303665 793624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I'm tired. < 1305303666 936702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Heh. < 1305303669 11442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nope <-- hah I won! < 1305303673 789115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No you didn't. < 1305303677 685053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I contradicted myself immediately. < 1305303678 108790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I did < 1305303682 621227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1305303687 449605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305303690 21752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1305303695 260574 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM CONTRADICTING MYSELF RIGHT NOW < 1305303701 464042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: nope. < 1305303703 867519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yes indeed I did, and thats final < 1305303709 253572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope. < 1305303727 633518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you agree that you disagree on this? < 1305303729 83778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Vorpal: sorry, I'm slow, I spent a while trying to work out the context for your latest stream of comments, and only recently realised that they weren't meant to have one < 1305303730 518973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the thread < 1305303738 386865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You lose I win. < 1305303742 815653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1305303746 926151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303749 360320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305303751 579714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303754 34517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err? < 1305303756 323425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305303759 878361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality of the channel is increasing already < 1305303761 11065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303768 425394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope :D < 1305303773 289900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303785 638997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, and what was this about now again? < 1305303789 622875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303793 417774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305303804 26501 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305303804 557520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303806 190223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : quality of the channel is increasing already <-- yes indeed < 1305303813 354723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1305303815 102660 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i imagine so < 1305303818 767066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303823 166895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, no you don't! < 1305303825 353744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1305303831 403291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303835 393020 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said that, for whatever it's worth, yup < 1305303836 101968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1305303839 549799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303841 903458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, nope < 1305303843 804379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1305303847 214279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303853 377474 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, perhaps < 1305303854 378353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes to no < 1305303858 146139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, right < 1305303860 853933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I win you lose. < 1305303863 822353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1305303867 710524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303891 62402 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :↕ < 1305303894 493237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I have other things to do, *hits ctrl-c at /usr/bin/elliott* < 1305303901 118740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(god that would be a nice feature) < 1305303901 952585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win. < 1305303905 443453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305303908 82096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1305303917 797258 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :win has been redefined to mean lose < 1305303924 973838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, then elliott did < 1305303926 270633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: nope. < 1305303939 946585 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assertion has been redefined to mean apathy < 1305303945 296807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, good idea < 1305303950 24602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: nope. < 1305303967 600268 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal has been redefined to be elliott < 1305303972 294824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: nope. < 1305303973 899824 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa < 1305303977 959319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305303982 697325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stupid conversation between you lot < 1305303987 636880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1305303999 696860 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lovely day for a stupid conversation < 1305304003 111504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, Vorpal: sorry, I'm slow, I spent a while trying to work out the context for your latest stream of comments, and only recently realised that they weren't meant to have one <-- so was that about this convo? < 1305304011 410477 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a stupid day for a lovely conversation < 1305304014 526746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still winning over here. < 1305304016 612517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you just made me literally facepalm < 1305304025 491748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not very hard, as I'm at work < 1305304042 60386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed since that was redefined to mean lose < 1305304046 226181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1305304058 175133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a lovely day for a stupid conversation <-- very true < 1305304072 322941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, epon < 1305304091 905292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1305304097 708891 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who's eric the esot again < 1305304108 975084 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TDD is best when the failing tests you intially write are completely random and have no bearing on your requirements < 1305304110 766756 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why are we in his channel < 1305304115 492429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mu < 1305304122 11847 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: YES! < 1305304130 64167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lets drop the law of the excluded middle < 1305304138 867543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: haha < 1305304152 320344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, how familiar < 1305304211 400616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you have time to do this convo, lets retarget your focus to computer components < 1305304224 85634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: are you the guy who comments a lot on arcane sentiment btw < 1305304231 783094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope ;D < 1305304236 384651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit < 1305304249 429569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I'm off, have to do some stuff, deadline and such < 1305304252 593410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm waaaay too tired for that now anyway. you'd get a hideous monstrosity powered by hatred. < 1305304262 195393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe: you will get that anyway. perhaps. < 1305304729 400866 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305304768 297828 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305304864 233011 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305304878 314929 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305305082 426549 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305305238 417933 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305305258 703444 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1305305343 496275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305305498 731965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305305598 508746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Vorpal: got bored yet? < 1305305658 792840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305305744 469959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep < 1305305751 421406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305305756 976864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305305777 368262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe: you will get that anyway. perhaps. <-- I will do a sanity check against some people I know :P < 1305306153 176840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : case ss of < 1305306153 403377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] -> reflect < 1305306153 483997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : [_] -> reflect < 1305306153 484159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ -> do < 1305306154 975955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1305306159 673563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be the stupidest code I've ever written < 1305306230 225618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that isn't the whole expression, is it? < 1305306236 212085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's more after the do < 1305306253 390020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305306255 482641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's irrelevant to the stupidity < 1305306269 19762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could write it as _:_:_ -> do { ... }; _ -> reflect < 1305306275 926955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure that that's any less stupid < 1305306281 626430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1305306285 494060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if length ss < two then reflect else do < 1305306297 564073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work on infinite lists < 1305306300 954891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas what you wrote does < 1305306302 752914 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which turns an O(1) algorithm into an O(n) algorithm < 1305306306 370576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's O(n) rather than O(1) < 1305306333 167255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like a hundred percent certain GHC can optimise that < 1305306339 149886 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're wrong < 1305306346 281386 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimizing it would change the semantics < 1305306351 119372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was about to say that < 1305306360 299157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does _|_ really count as semantics here < 1305306362 619978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of gross < 1305306364 503788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, entirely gross < 1305306365 166603 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always does < 1305306377 588578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sure, but that's gross. < 1305306379 309641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like really gross. < 1305306389 54010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if Integer is lazy then it's fine. < 1305306393 423613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, Int. < 1305306403 650832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's Int, the result can't be _|_ can it. < 1305306405 865563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, as far as I know < 1305306406 446493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll overflow eventually. < 1305306411 358321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... might work. < 1305306418 207618 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't :-P < 1305306420 712501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an overflow is also normally represented by bottom < 1305306423 362124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Integer's laziness is actually unspecified. < 1305306425 664959 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareLength :: [a] -> Int -> Ordering < 1305306425 747280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareLength _ n | n < 0 = GT < 1305306425 747458 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareLength [] 0 = EQ < 1305306425 747607 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareLength [] _ = LT < 1305306425 747710 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareLength (_:_) 0 = GT < 1305306428 7768 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareLength (_:as) n = compareLength as (n-1) < 1305306430 563474 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use this < 1305306437 542164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: standard library? < 1305306441 403800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wow, no, I prefer the case statement. < 1305306441 577797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1305306450 661904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : compareLength _ n | n < 0 = GT < 1305306454 192566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you ever pass a negative to that. < 1305306474 405371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in case it wasn't a constant < 1305306480 376655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather make it correct in case you do < 1305306490 144868 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1305306497 519182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It should take a natural as the second argument < 1305306511 255138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that's strictly less useful < 1305306522 650052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, there's no real reason it couldn't take arbitrary reals (that could be notated in Haskell) < 1305306530 4811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shut up, Conal :) < 1305306534 820269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there is; computable reals can't be compared like that. < 1305306535 777241 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you have lazy naturals, you can just use length < 1305306543 429221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I never said lazy naturals. < 1305306553 453865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that Haskell doesn't come with an unsigned Natural type is a flaw. :) < 1305306571 129376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they can be compared if they happen not to be equal < 1305306588 208736 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: s/arbitrary/arbitrary computable/ < 1305306588 290794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they are equal, the real must actually be an integer, and you know how to work with those too < 1305306601 412447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's no way to determine it's an integer, though < 1305306602 566753 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are not not not dealing in uncomputable numbers here. < 1305306603 350506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that's why I had the disclaimer that they had to be expressible in Haskell < 1305306612 134991 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1305306612 817901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1305306613 228874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and if they are equal, the real must actually be an integer, and you know how to work with those too < 1305306616 224388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a non-sequitur < 1305306619 511376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know it is < 1305306622 409365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just feeling absurd < 1305306646 216140 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173.9.215.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1305306651 246800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just a bit annoyed in that I'm implementing an arbitrary-computable-reals library in hardware at the moment < 1305306651 816733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man the ghc binary tarball is big. < 1305306653 264668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on someone's paper < 1305306658 303185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less just to prove I can < 1305306673 413962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you doing in haskell atm? < 1305306692 555246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: installing. < 1305306706 90422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I suppose you could write it as _:_:_ -> do { ... }; _ -> reflect <-- befunge? < 1305306730 160692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1305306743 731441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed it was Befunge-related, but that was irrelevant to the question < 1305306749 165063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't ask < 1305306761 53873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, Vorpal wanted to know what's a nice regex library for Haskell, ISTR you using one once and telling me it was good < 1305306762 142615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wow*, freshmeat.net is still around. < 1305306763 637639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go tell him likewise < 1305306774 669488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is a great one for answering programming questions, because it tells you the answer before it asks you why you're trying to do what you're doing < 1305306776 88517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : case ss of < 1305306776 245074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] -> reflect < 1305306776 326626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : [_] -> reflect < 1305306776 326797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ -> do < 1305306780 675298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1305306780 785243 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember, maybe regex-tdfa < 1305306781 442081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than tell you you're trying something stupid < 1305306809 540830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't Parsec a nice regex library? < 1305306814 776651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1305306817 433317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexes are special cases of parsers, after all < 1305306821 319471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, doing normal stuff in stupid ways is normal here < 1305306824 378863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : this channel is a great one for answering programming questions, because it tells you the answer before it asks you why you're trying to do what you're doing <-- often that question follows though, but I guess that is fine < 1305306839 144721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but it's asked out of curiosity rather than alarm < 1305306839 226593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How do I reassign the integer two in Python?" "Well, import ctypes, bind to the Python API, then use malloc to [...]" "OK, thanks" "Wait, why do you want to do this?" "BEST. IMPLEMENTATION. OF. FORTE. EVARRRRRRR" < 1305306843 556408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [caret] < 1305306844 713908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it has the downside however of sometimes telling you utterly complicated solutions < 1305306864 32655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is, often, an upside < 1305306870 768152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1305306882 34934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at least if your goal is to have a goo laugh yes < 1305306889 585458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goo laughs. < 1305306891 800213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or just implement something in a suitably insane way < 1305306894 362011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good* < 1305306898 670832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or that < 1305307004 765669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm wondering how tightly linked to Haskell Parsec is < 1305307033 129522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think parsec exists for a bunch of languages other than haskell < 1305307043 10227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'd expect < 1305307068 606897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it's a monad but that really isn't a Haskell-exclusive concept, and it doesn't seem to require laziness < 1305307086 517594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as you have some other way to not call a function argument immediately (say, call-by-name, thunking by hand, etc) < 1305307105 621927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Unlambda would be a good lang to port it to < 1305307213 622183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: every meta-layer of a system must be as powerful as the system itself, or it will inevitably either grow to be as powerful in the most ugly way possible, or be useless < 1305307230 491091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare: haskell's type system vs. epigram's, cpp vs. lisp macros < 1305307285 593481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the ubuntu package for opengl dev libraries again? < 1305307426 184329 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thomas Reiser (born December 19, 1963) is an American former computer entrepreneur, owner of Namesys, the primary developer of the ReiserFS and Reiser4 computer filesystems, and convicted murderer. // best phrasing ever < 1305307428 647901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can't find it with the typical searches < 1305307432 398585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I think I have it installed < 1305307464 136116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mesa or something I think < 1305307466 174936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes :P < 1305307478 64038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mesa is the name of the impl, but I can't find the exact name of the package < 1305307522 286405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgl1-mesa-dev? No... < 1305307528 318789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beh < 1305307530 58665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1305307535 72570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it might actually be that one < 1305307539 32037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the confusing description < 1305307560 58322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be a non-DRI thing though odfgjdofigjdfg < 1305307561 522314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So complicated < 1305307570 290731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for an INSTALL in haskell platfomroermer < 1305307575 579038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1305307576 45967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/haskell-platform.xhtml < 1305307580 955688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeglut3-dev should grab it < 1305307611 864335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: libgl1-mesa-swx11 appears to be for software rendering, -glx and -dri for hardware rendering, and -dev the dev libraries for both < 1305307614 446874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl's build system is positively amazing. Not in a *good* way, but still. < 1305307631 534679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: have you seen gcc's? < 1305307635 923528 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *vomit* < 1305307642 126899 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl's is much better. < 1305307649 984951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305307652 103411 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that I know for a fact that humans still understand it. < 1305307665 612747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still maintain C-INTERCAL's is the best autotools-based build system for any compiler < 1305307674 409274 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to see it. < 1305307676 265941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because hardly anyone understands autotools < 1305307678 190057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you mean it's crazy configure that can manually ask questions interactively? < 1305307684 440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I spent about a month learning < 1305307684 787365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :given some switch < 1305307688 325226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, I had thoughts about implementing ai-make < 1305307690 124955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's hand-written! < 1305307694 2770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh, go for it < 1305307695 618493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, *wtf* < 1305307696 874233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a hand-written in-shell makefile generator! < 1305307699 76144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except that it'd actually generate an autoconf/Tup system, or similar < 1305307700 364107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where did the hyhon come from? < 1305307705 513852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, wonderful < 1305307707 608449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but also save a file with all your answers and things it's inferred, so it could update them < 1305307718 428481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's OK for it to go via autoconf, if necessary < 1305307722 948318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (save things it's inferred so that it doesn't suddenly start thinking your program is a library without asking first) < 1305307723 677185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hyphen < 1305307752 304091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hardware compiler currently doesn't distinguish between compiling programs and libraries < 1305307762 228374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking that for finding C libraries, it'd look at header files you include, figure out what Debian package they're in, and then find pkg-config or .so files that that package also has < 1305307766 909912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you're going to have to write glue code anyway because hardware's kind-of useless if it doesn't have I/O < 1305307767 209783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And determine the relevant one < 1305307788 878928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might work < 1305307796 215468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches from git < 1305307801 81922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to look for linker errors, then looking for libraries which exposed those symbols < 1305307824 976177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The idea is that it'd output autoconf checking code for those libraries, though < 1305307832 122692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pkg-config is more "portable" in that sense < 1305307838 137856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1305307845 125228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want ai-make to generate a build system that works on any computer < 1305307848 106222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just the one you happen to be on? < 1305307852 125911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And looking for the Debian package which includes a header is probably a lot more efficient and less error-prone than scanning all your libraries < 1305307857 527256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep. < 1305307870 56338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd have a database of Debian packages by symbols the libraries they contain expose < 1305307871 373171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then all we'd need is a build system generator generator. < 1305307879 164731 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Minor issue: headers and .so files are in different packages. < 1305307879 722912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA, a compiled source generator generator generator. < 1305307884 435342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]compiled binary < 1305307887 434024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yeah yeah. < 1305307893 245512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Still, symbols are more brittle than headers IMO < 1305307901 282748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're less brittle < 1305307917 406399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could always do both :) < 1305307921 59381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as headers may cover multiple libraries, or vice versa < 1305307921 140998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227721_10150189670889681_738479680_6991603_7524340_n.jpg < 1305307923 95240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1305307924 688048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both sounds like the best approach < 1305307933 428173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit, will you ever cease to ruin my day? < 1305307954 88602 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A word to anyone who dares to write an alternate configuration system: support the same damned variables as Autoconf. Believe it or not, the variables to let you override bits of the configuration logic are a *damned good idea*. < 1305307980 920591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: incidentally, as pikhq_ found, autoconf and tup go really well together < 1305307986 313995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is tup? < 1305307993 477186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the most awesomest build system ever < 1305307996 55173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup is a Make replacement that doesn't suck. < 1305307996 594905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arrows go up, so it's fast < 1305307999 614874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and autoconf specifically, as opposed to autotools generally? < 1305308004 617561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just autoconf < 1305308008 214096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1305308011 957103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake is unnecessary, since tupfiles are fine to write by hand in the first place :) < 1305308013 694856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, autoheader could work with it as well. < 1305308015 659386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, because tup has built-in support for configuration files with things like CFLAGS in < 1305308019 238716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tracks dependencies on these variables < 1305308020 889301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think automake is pretty incredible, but possibly unnecessary < 1305308025 996786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just have autoconf output one of those < 1305308026 229657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libtool could as well if you're mad. < 1305308032 785378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than generate the actual build guts, which is hideous < 1305308038 254799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's literally just finding configuration variables < 1305308046 844061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredible as in possibly not a good thing, but impressive nonetheless < 1305308050 829825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the implementation details are still utterly broken and horrific in every way, but it's good < 1305308052 282578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, makes sense < 1305308054 994533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in every other aspect, that is < 1305308064 152701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can tup handle things like yacc which output multiple files? < 1305308072 128909 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, just list 'em. < 1305308079 387746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I'm not sure < 1305308084 677961 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: foo.y |> !yacc |> foo.c foo.h < 1305308087 642385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC multiple-output is in an old experimental branch < 1305308089 982517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh, does that actually work? < 1305308098 78147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, yacc doing that is a misfeature, anyway ;) < 1305308102 443769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is < 1305308108 861812 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The multiple-output experimental branch is for multiple *unmentioned* outputs. < 1305308111 925948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing is that yacc actually outputs at fixed filenames < 1305308116 552507 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For e.g. Java. < 1305308118 429195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a misfeature < 1305308137 868893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless you include a reimplementation of yacc in your build system, one you have to work around < 1305308140 99669 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it generates a fuckton of .class files) < 1305308152 300409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Ah. < 1305308157 605210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(autotools has yl-wrapper, whose only purpose is to wrap yacc and lex in order to change their calling convention into something sane) < 1305308166 645474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the basic gist of tup is that it's log-time, rather than linear-time like make and everything else < 1305308183 982999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/british-woman-murdered-in-tenerife-2283687.html < 1305308189 429574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because it stores file -> things that depend on it in its graph, not output -> things it depends on < 1305308190 494509 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, wait, wait, yacc outputs at *fixed filenames*? < 1305308191 148189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if you could easily do what missing does, too < 1305308193 787117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everybody is shocked. It's a very safe area. You can usually go anywhere you want in the day or at night. This is really not normal." < 1305308194 745060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: lex.yy.c < 1305308203 144440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it can go from things that changed, to things it needs to rebuild, directly < 1305308206 803190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas make has to traverse the whole graph < 1305308208 270117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just stupid < 1305308210 564904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bison probably has some way to override that < 1305308214 370652 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it just about impossible to handle parallel builds of two yacc sources. < 1305308215 575383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beheadings are really quite rare around here. < 1305308217 437524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yacc is really stupid < 1305308219 714389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, it does < 1305308225 473683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only way is to do them in different directories < 1305308228 261444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, it has a "rebuild every time any file changes with inotify" console thing, which is a killer feature :) < 1305308233 504086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you could rename *really quickly*. < 1305308240 562542 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Race condition! < 1305308244 780198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there has to be some way to combine that with flymake < 1305308249 191826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an even more killer feature < 1305308262 164759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, pretend it can't happen. < 1305308283 403128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you can trivially avoid race conditions simply by replacing the scheduler < 1305308293 770133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it could probably work with flymake directly, with just some sort of wrapper to intercept the output < 1305308298 718908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I actually wanted to do that recently, just can't remember why < 1305308306 799038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly it's for the best < 1305308319 168291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been in a hypothetical that wans't true, or even a dream < 1305308324 819394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wasn't < 1305308338 877457 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, I've found that it works a *bit* better to have autoconf generate a top-level Tuprules.tup. < 1305308346 730980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Really? Why? < 1305308402 536439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Slightly less of a pain than doing in Tuprules.tup "CFLAGS=@(CFLAGS)", so you can append to it for specific targets. < 1305308409 776621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305308455 84396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, actually, it'd work better to just make the !cc rule support CFLAGS_%f. < 1305308458 69880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So never mind! < 1305308558 56083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I had an idea for a language recently, where instead of defining types like you do in Haskell or OCaml, they get implicitly defined by switch or match statements < 1305308592 328005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you write match x with | A _ -> false | B _ -> true | C x -> x, and it's of type A 'a + B 'a + C bool < 1305308599 651453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, the first x is < 1305308612 739332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't really use two different variables of the same name in examples < 1305308620 482741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* B 'b < 1305308783 222707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrrf, I wonder if MaybeT is really the best thing here < 1305308868 65767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Monad.hs:25:10: < 1305308868 460738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Duplicate instance declarations: < 1305308868 542786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Monad m => Applicative (StateT s m) < 1305308868 542948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at Shiro/Monad.hs:25:10-46 < 1305308868 543050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Functor m, Monad m) => Applicative (StateT s m) < 1305308868 637772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined in Control.Monad.Trans.State.Strict < 1305308870 569482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1305308871 535420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a ListT? < 1305308952 228003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but the common version is wrong < 1305309031 331974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an uncommon but correct version? < 1305309143 875722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1305309158 55478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that makes me wonder why people don't use it < 1305309215 21003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, I had an idea for anyway, I had an idea for a language recently, where instead of defining types like you do in Haskell or OCaml, they get implicitly defined by switch or match statementsa language recently, where instead of defining types like you do in Haskell or OCaml, they get implicitly defined by switch or match statements <-- nice < 1305309243 841051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for compiler writing, where you want a parse-tree type with something like 100 slightly different variants < 1305309256 111473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which differ in the amount of extra info they carry along, what sort of nodes they have, etc < 1305309302 673260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : now that makes me wonder why people don't use it < 1305309305 218570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do, when they need ListT < 1305309307 764316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rarely < 1305309929 608127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw for new computer: I need one serial port, or getting an usb converter that will work with TI Blacklink (which iirc is rather timing sensitive) < 1305309957 421097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I found myself rather wanting a Set monad in OCaml < 1305309958 160882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serial port. Nice. < 1305309961 986621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used List instead < 1305309969 961907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sets are only monads in haskell with an extended type class < 1305309985 806750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't know what that means < 1305309990 934182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, is serial port hard to get hold of these days? I have no idea < 1305310118 46144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is < 1305310134 323392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like serial ports too, because they're simplest to interface to hardware you build yourself < 1305310150 646185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, damn, do you think it will work with an usb converter, given the timing sensitivity? < 1305310162 565401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherboards will still have them I think :P < 1305310165 634108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I meant on a desktop < 1305310166 445868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe. < 1305310170 176618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah who am I kidding. < 1305310175 864271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on a laptop I know it is near impossible < 1305310185 387381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure, but it depends on what sort of clock rates you're talking about < 1305310186 381244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, converter it is then, surely that is possible to get hold of? < 1305310197 471526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know what baud rate it uses < 1305310198 470468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunnask me < 1305310199 874350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB can manage really high clock rates, so the sensitivity might be small in comparison < 1305310208 781539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're measuring it in baud at all, though, you'll be fine < 1305310221 700492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baud rates go up to about 152000 bits/second, USB is much faster than that < 1305310269 935783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well since it goes over serial port it must be baud? < 1305310287 237462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, besides baud is just number of symbols / second iirc < 1305310292 122099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it depends on if it's using the serial port as a serial port < 1305310297 303249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which works fine up to any value < 1305310300 348303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether it's just forcing it to act like a bunch of GPIOs < 1305310309 667514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, it could be the latter < 1305310316 101880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past it < 1305310323 324361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen the latter quite a bit < 1305310330 672668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awfully hacky, ofc < 1305310344 301029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I seen that done to the parport too < 1305310347 126890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was great < 1305310359 871261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other news, I've heard you can actually get motherboards with GPIO ports, nowadays; I have no idea how people are meant to be able to get at them to actually use them as such, though < 1305310361 437143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1305310383 215474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, presumably it isn't for the consumer market < 1305310391 46952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1305310410 896335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, among the leet gamer market, I bet you could advertise them as a feature and they'd buy it just because it was a feature, not because it was relevant < 1305310464 541890 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blacklink version uses the serial port as gpio pins to speak the TI link protocol directly to the calc. < 1305310480 978623 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not really all that timing-sensitive. < 1305310505 496637 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it doesn't need to be; of course that might depend on the software. < 1305310567 257658 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grey serial-cable variant includes electronics to translate so that it speaks the regular serial protocol to computer-side. < 1305310617 481655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, way to go Wikipedia < 1305310629 383676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to check if humans had lymph nodes behind their ears < 1305310634 17805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after reading the article, I still have no idea < 1305310692 481171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think possibly they do, if I understand "sternocleidomastoid", and the sentence that contains it, correctly < 1305310780 654595 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good *God*. No-op build of Mozilla takes 20 minutes. < 1305310809 958020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was trying to check if humans had lymph nodes behind their ears <-- pretty sure they do < 1305310820 663083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1305310836 661064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but don't quote me on that < 1305310845 864197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some weird lump behind one of my ears, and I was looking for an explanation; I guessed it was most likely a lymph node, but didn't know if they were found there < 1305310857 261083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I get that when I have a cold sometimes < 1305310877 340728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: is that the build system trying to prove to itself that nothing needs changing? < 1305310885 39813 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1305310898 780931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is necessary in almost all build systems. < 1305310920 550042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, we know you are a fan of tup < 1305310923 290935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty amazing < 1305310954 578276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, how long does a full build of mozilla take? < 1305310976 976563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to check! < 1305310984 719846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, much longer I guess < 1305311002 863450 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall it being something like 40 minutes on Gentoo, though. < 1305311025 571469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so... half the time spent at checking if anything changed? < 1305311033 393263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is seriously wrong < 1305311042 559322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, make shouldn't be that bad if done correctly < 1305311059 66790 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Recursive make fucks everything up. < 1305311077 217499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla uses that < 1305311078 979330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1305311089 476387 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's extensively common, actually. < 1305311093 658021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, at least cmake generates non-recursive make :) < 1305311099 787978 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automake's documentation seems to still encourage it. < 1305311118 26113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, cmake is better than automake in that aspect then < 1305311130 946182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even non-recursive make fucks it up. < 1305311132 559982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make doesn't scale. < 1305311148 475805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but recursive make fucks it up *more*. < 1305311158 524707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive make is a fundamentally broken concept < 1305311168 969048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1305311170 843028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the hacks designed to make it slightly less broken still don't help much < 1305311212 853560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the tup paper has interesting things to say about recursive make ;D ;D ;D ;D < 1305311235 602483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you didn't even scarequote "interesting" < 1305311257 584863 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305311276 629193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They actually are interesting :) < 1305311280 275100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would people ever use recursive make? < 1305311286 590776 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305311296 75948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it's easy at first < 1305311302 218167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because non-recursive make is difficult to write and maintain for very large projects < 1305311306 238988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because make is broken < 1305311318 855022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, recursive make is the sort of thing that would easily fall into jwz quote territory < 1305311431 851712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive make is even *worse* with parallel builds being common. < 1305311451 29163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recursion has to be serialised. < 1305311470 966516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, or break < 1305311485 393462 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can still break. < 1305311495 713495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sad and quite shocking that last I looked make -j2 did not work on erlang runtime source < 1305311513 194673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tried to compile erlang code before it built the erlang compiler iirc, or something like that < 1305311535 991286 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one thing that make builds from a clean source necessary: incomplete knowledge of dependencies. < 1305311538 154402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, erlang was originally made to be distributed, not multi-core, but still < 1305311549 519427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, surprise surprise, recursive make makes that inherent. < 1305311581 279509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: make's failure to track dependencies on configuration variables also forces explicit clean builds < 1305311590 327226 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah, right, true. < 1305311601 659145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq_: make's failure to track dependencies on configuration variables also forces explicit clean builds <-- does tup do that? < 1305311629 681043 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It also tracks dependencies on build commands. < 1305311650 707074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I presume tup is out of source build by default. So I guess one could set up tup to auto-build with several different build targets? < 1305311671 878520 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really handle out-of-source build, actually. < 1305311676 52035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why < 1305311681 664777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: C-INTERCAL's build system manages a full circle, tracking dependencies on everything relevant, automatically < 1305311685 698296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, tup is pretty useless to me until it does < 1305311687 538080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, I think, the versions of autotools you have installed < 1305311691 997969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the compilers < 1305311703 191148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about the linker? < 1305311703 273260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, say, if you modify the build system, it rebuilds the build system < 1305311703 937792 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only tracks dependencies on files in the source tree. < 1305311716 531716 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305311724 281320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, OK < 1305311745 193666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well, to me tup would be useless as of now then, I often do multiple builds of stuff I develop, one for 32-bit, one for 64-bit, and various different config flags < 1305311750 394173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it'd actually have to check for changes over the *entire filesystem*. < 1305311755 777623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, doing that in tree with multiple tress = terrible < 1305311769 390589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you would obviously specify a source tree and a destination tree < 1305311775 450935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no that isn't required < 1305311786 977115 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think there is a branch of tup for supporting multiple build variants... < 1305311790 183863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme look into that. < 1305311829 719617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup while interesting doesn't really seem mature. < 1305311830 499703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate de en merkbefreit < 1305311832 497601 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​and the merkbefreit < 1305311833 583581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not to me < 1305311837 178446 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1305311841 26994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, translateto iirc < 1305311843 7704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I've messed up the syntax there < 1305311846 90453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto de en merkbefreit < 1305311847 297069 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​und merkbefreit < 1305311851 748498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305311854 833739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto en de merkbefreit < 1305311855 229518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1305311856 90533 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​The merkbefreit < 1305311862 733002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate merkbefreit < 1305311864 68976 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​merkbefreit < 1305311866 633567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305311876 398168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq_: make's failure to track dependencies on configuration variables also forces explicit clean builds <-- does tup do that? < 1305311877 880652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1305311878 578865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe try google translate web page, it is less confusing :D < 1305311891 803995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq_, I presume tup is out of source build by default. So I guess one could set up tup to auto-build with several different build targets? < 1305311892 835721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq_, well, to me tup would be useless as of now then, I often do multiple builds of stuff I develop, one for 32-bit, one for 64-bit, and various different config flags < 1305311894 434428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is being worked on < 1305311896 568305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not out-of-tree < 1305311897 209930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1305311901 365167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of tree is the stupidest way to do it :) < 1305311902 789860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The other build systems, though mature, are *broken*. < 1305311903 964728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : tup while interesting doesn't really seem mature. < 1305311908 55314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"remember, free" < 1305311911 240342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine for small-to-medium sized projects. < 1305311911 858031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't fit the context < 1305311924 84095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally fundamentally *broken*. < 1305311947 969304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think make is fundamentally broken when used properly, although it's suboptimal < 1305311950 928983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: The other build systems, though mature, are *broken*. <-- sure, but I consider not doing multiple build variants, such as different compilers, from the same source a showstopper to myself < 1305311995 972289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what do you suggest? A subdir builds/ with various named variants in it? < 1305311998 183167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work < 1305312019 27693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the way C-INTERCAL does that is with multiple out of tree builds < 1305312034 80154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same as I do for cfunge. < 1305312035 600067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a directory per build in the variants system being worked on, IIRC < 1305312041 187475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the exact details read the list :P < 1305312062 134999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ick doesn't use automake does it? < 1305312064 646782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just autoconf? < 1305312089 485629 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Cannot join #esoteric-minecraft (You are banned). < 1305312089 567618 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's genuinely not *that* hard to make a Makefile that works with autoconf. < 1305312091 260732 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Cannot join #esoteric-minecraft (You are banned). < 1305312093 718559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a lot of edgecases. < 1305312101 893784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it uses automake too < 1305312104 771454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the other parts of autotools < 1305312107 923363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, it didn't use to? < 1305312109 476952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1305312118 183466 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, that is most of autotools. < 1305312129 91505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yep, it uses the two major parts but not any of the little ones < 1305312135 21207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than aclocal, but that's needed for automake to work < 1305312155 457389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the small ones now again, libtool? < 1305312155 662310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoheader is nothing but a nicety, libtool is revolting, I dunno about the others. < 1305312157 770087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else? < 1305312161 296916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoheader. < 1305312167 673315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what does autoheader do? < 1305312175 629841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generates a config.h.in from configure.ac. < 1305312185 975955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: appeal to PH. < 1305312191 603503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought autoconf did that < 1305312193 525394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I use autoheader < 1305312203 659381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's for generating the input to autoconf < 1305312209 569454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a build system generator generator < 1305312210 890085 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305312212 956691 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, pretty much you don't use libtool. < 1305312215 293647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no I don't < 1305312219 203266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used autoheader once, but no longer < 1305312220 436246 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is simply right and proper. < 1305312224 824842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to work as a starting point < 1305312232 402134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what was the point of libtool < 1305312238 925459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least the intended point < 1305312239 7997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how do you get the line-based links for glogbot? < 1305312246 945153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to build shared libraries in a vaguely portable way < 1305312251 817501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To abstract building libraries. < 1305312277 179593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so it deals with ELF .so vs. a.out .so vs. PE .dll? < 1305312280 444331 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing that right would actually still be nice, but libtool is fundamentally the *wrong solution*. < 1305312280 548211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1305312294 592395 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1305312304 59348 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does so by making a shell script wrapper for the compiler, linker, install, etc. < 1305312311 904519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, exit windows then < 1305312320 246157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I haven't looked into how libtool works < 1305312327 588595 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, PH hates me because you hate me, so no. < 1305312328 574940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is a giant shell script. < 1305312340 510495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: With some macros for automake and autoconf to run it. < 1305312351 981478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, like configure then (giant shellscript) < 1305312358 384203 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hand-written. < 1305312359 752908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: He's the one that banned you and I have been unable to formulate a valid reason to reverse this ban, so your appeal channel is PH. < 1305312363 182655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, okay... < 1305312368 276623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what about autoconf itself < 1305312371 606292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that shell? < 1305312375 135476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it m4? < 1305312385 843718 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf is just a small shell script wrapper around M4. < 1305312386 147804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean as in /usr/bin/autoconf < 1305312389 519710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305312400 214837 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI link protocol (to go back to that) is rather idiosyncratic, so I might mention it here. It's two-data-wire ("red" and "white") half-duplex bidirectional thing, both lines with pull-up resistors, so the line's high unless either end drives it down. To send a bit, one side drives one of the lines down (depending on the bit value) and waits for the other end to ack by driving the other line down; then the sender releases the first line, and finally the receiv < 1305312404 461296 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's no appeal, just an anmerkung. < 1305312405 21347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: not quite; autoconf is a shell script /generated by/ m4 < 1305312410 842768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, m4 seems horrible btw < 1305312413 119729 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: autoconf itself? < 1305312419 834364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, configure, I mean < 1305312423 120892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: That's not my problem. < 1305312426 932385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l /usr/bin/autoconf < 1305312427 102399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :492 /usr/bin/autoconf < 1305312439 650491 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly < 1305312439 823528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, while not gigantic, I wouldn't call that small < 1305312443 530936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that probably doesn't count < 1305312447 229038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: Then? < 1305312451 64650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, /usr/bin/autoconf is a wrapper that picks a version of autoconf < 1305312462 988517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for me it doesn't seem to be < 1305312466 780240 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then, and in other moments too < 1305312466 861549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the version the file wants < 1305312479 135947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#! /bin/sh < 1305312479 407265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Generated from autoconf.as by GNU Autoconf 2.65. < 1305312479 489503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Generated from autoconf.in; do not edit by hand. < 1305312479 489702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l /usr/bin/autoconf2.59 < 1305312480 129174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1305312480 760088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :271 /usr/bin/autoconf2.59 < 1305312490 779515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666: Then I am not sure why you pasted that line twice. < 1305312494 723100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha indeed < 1305312506 601001 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305312518 112125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wonder which of those files it was really generated from < 1305312527 677338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe autoconf.as was generated from autoconf.in? < 1305312532 7039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's obviously a two-stage generation < 1305312539 889454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm scared < 1305312549 796619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, for me, autoconf2.59 is a shell script with no "generated from" messages, but it /looks/ like it was autoconf-generated < 1305312555 648222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all it does, apart from options, is run autom4te < 1305312563 447576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I only have one autoconf here, not versioned variants < 1305312567 95229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was "generated from autom4te.in" < 1305312576 34430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is clearly written in Perl < 1305312577 277483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is ubuntu 10.04 < 1305312599 105458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get what OS you use already < 1305312622 390792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so autoconf, for me, appears to be a shell script wrapper around a shell script wrapper around a Perl wrapper around m4 < 1305312626 129289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of which are autogenerated < 1305312635 364654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a perl wrapper? :D < 1305312653 478295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit more complex than a wrapper, actually < 1305312655 97147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, be happy fork() is fast on linux! < 1305312664 492412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where did you find it? < 1305312666 106403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's acting as a wrapper, but doing more than wrappers normally do < 1305312669 205882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in /usr/bin < 1305312679 8933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I normally look for executables < 1305312685 448760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my autoconf ends with: exec "$AUTOM4TE" "$@" < 1305312686 914730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305312693 299158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, so does mine < 1305312708 332579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/autom4te is indeed perl < 1305312716 664667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :generated < 1305312720 780787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , against his better judgement, looks at xkcd. < 1305312728 882456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That space eats at my soul. Anyway. < 1305312734 6633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as godawful as ever. < 1305312745 131847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, times out for me < 1305312758 895962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are indeed fortunate. < 1305312764 747407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the perl thing seems to be the actual logic of the program < 1305312778 104160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it calls m4 on the .ac files and so on it seems < 1305312788 644508 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DBE4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305312797 907565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the logic is mostly in the m4 < 1305312799 752395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I guess the perl one can be considerd the re-generating program proper < 1305312801 284217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305312818 84042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle_m4 ($req, keys %{$req->macro}) < 1305312818 291374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : if $force || ! $req->valid; < 1305312829 898758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perls syntax is ugly < 1305312835 951475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's control flow weird < 1305312843 413951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a reverse if < 1305312845 342743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/896/ < 1305312847 259721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know < 1305312850 918252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I don't like it < 1305312854 205074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any particular reason why the arguments to if shouldn't be the other way round? < 1305312855 127829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a terrible reverse if < 1305312856 703274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with Munroe thinking he's inspirational. < 1305312859 755465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's autoconf's fault, not perl's < 1305312869 927839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I agree that one would be clearer written the normal way round < 1305312895 637930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$force || !$req->valid and handle_m4 ($req, keys %{$req->macro}) < 1305312907 103311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that second argument to handle_m4 is worrying < 1305312907 610687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that lacks the word "if" < 1305312917 253994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it uses "and", the forwards equivalent to if < 1305312920 363548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does the second argument do < 1305312945 288720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the property "macro" of $req, interprets it as a pointer to a hash, dereferences it, and takes the keys < 1305312953 418158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm struggling to think that a well-defined system would find that operation useful < 1305312965 745133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, *ouch < 1305312967 336896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1305312974 461234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub handle_m4 ($@) < 1305312974 669195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1305312974 758031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ($req, @macro) = @_; < 1305312975 491212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305312983 270727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I hate too with perl < 1305312991 318614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mess it makes of parameters < 1305313021 234599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it complicates reading the source immensely to not force the parameter list to be in a specific place < 1305313037 547236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's be honest, it's always on the first line of the function. < 1305313044 883907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, most often yes < 1305313057 598584 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sub with a prototype (the "($@)" bit), how modern. < 1305313059 414347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen it after an if case or such < 1305313067 757750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes that makes it worse < 1305313097 72352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen things like looking at the first argument to decide what to do with the next few arguments < 1305313113 824289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: prototypes in Perl are a bad idea for the same reason C++ operator overloading is a bad idea < 1305313114 717792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this wasn't in something like printf either < 1305313120 490474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make it almost impossible to figure out what a given line of code does < 1305313126 347189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the case of Perl, in fact, how it parses < 1305313126 895463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they do? < 1305313139 815900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shouldn't it help static analysis? < 1305313147 29157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it hinders < 1305313153 759077 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the fact that the prototypes affect parsing is quite horreeble. < 1305313158 611479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I must know how perl manages to fuck prototypes that badly < 1305313164 888858 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing of all calls, that is. < 1305313167 82676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dread the answer, but I need to know < 1305313175 971899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a pathological case somewhere where prototypes make the difference between a slash being interpreted as a division sign, or a regex delimeter < 1305313186 534986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ...................... wtf < 1305313203 673827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not surprising Vorpal < 1305313207 18637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least without prototypes, calls are parsed consistently < 1305313215 57756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is obvious given what prototypes are < 1305313221 942097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway here is the whole handle_m4 http://sprunge.us/RTES < 1305313224 103179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly I wish people would pick on the actually perverse aspects of Perl < 1305313224 999052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait < 1305313225 775193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks quite nasty < 1305313230 267688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Vorpal would oh never mind < 1305313237 368098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would what? < 1305313240 181694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, paste it? < 1305313244 88533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what prototypes are, are instructions to parse calls to the functions in a certain way < 1305313251 709894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you tell me from that what it does to the second argument? < 1305313260 179345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you could easily check it on your own system < 1305313292 925774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: $@ tells it to keep the second argument as an array rather than decomposing the array into individual arguments < 1305313306 389380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that second argument was the one you found worrying above < 1305313313 834884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so can you explain why it does it now < 1305313321 621323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I already explained what it did < 1305313326 558910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't worried about its parsing < 1305313329 118696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but why I meant < 1305313337 379982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why != what < 1305313338 438921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it expressed an operation that, although well-defined, I was scared was useful < 1305313349 680155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305313350 962770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you want me to read the entire source code just to explain one line? < 1305313367 258622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that function is like 30 lines or so, probably less < 1305313372 850246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most is a xsystem call < 1305313375 881684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever xsystem is < 1305313407 830479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not a built-in function < 1305313413 225749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1305313422 333149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is it's a wrapper around system(), which is similar to C's system() < 1305313432 525299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is called twice in that code, but not defined < 1305313433 515151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305313447 334145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to include stuff from /usr/share/autoconf < 1305313449 34867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be a library function < 1305313451 498796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305313457 646196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a library I don't have memorised < 1305313457 955076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Autom4te::General; < 1305313459 684920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1305313462 306968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unbackslahed @ will just gobble all arguments and force list context; they still end up as separate elements in the @_ list, like they would in that call without prototypes. < 1305313510 57120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, xsystem is in /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm < 1305313537 106799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as C, but fails on errors, and reports the C<@argv> < 1305313537 281653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in verbose mode. < 1305313540 771599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the pod < 1305313548 104906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it is called < 1305313549 982642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perldoc? < 1305313612 720657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm scared, wc -l in /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/*.pm gives 3559 lines < 1305313625 597443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that scary? < 1305313629 631282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus 1086 for /usr/bin/autom4te < 1305313639 471542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if most of the logic is in the m4 part... this is absurd < 1305313642 351399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's typical for most programming languages of about that complexity, and programs of about that complexity < 1305313653 605619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's mostly going to be stuff for dealing with files, directories, shells, etc < 1305313662 330878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, actually finding everything relevant and running it < 1305313664 76767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc -l /usr/share/autoconf/autoconf/*.m4 < 1305313667 193579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :15397 total < 1305313669 38363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1305313669 887003 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pod is the format/markup language; perldoc's the documentation-handling tool. < 1305313686 645972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah okay < 1305313727 369554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put it another way, perldoc is the program with which you process pod files < 1305313734 470790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might contain interspersed Perl < 1305313745 191938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I run it on the .pm file? < 1305313767 713524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Some old m4's don't support m4exit. But they provide < 1305313767 851276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# equivalent functionality by core dumping because of the < 1305313767 932916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# long macros we define. < 1305313768 389205 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305313768 673769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1305313776 26872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comment is so... absurd < 1305313850 884472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :define([m4_undefine], defn([undefine])) < 1305313851 592630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_undefine([undefine]) < 1305313853 694588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305313856 396921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305313857 956841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393 < 1305313902 770200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and that's just renaming the builtin undefine function < 1305313918 926963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I seen that proof btw < 1305313925 157460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does the same for define and defn < 1305313927 105157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: look at the bit about prototypes again < 1305313931 351054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what defn is for < 1305313939 48491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"definition of" < 1305313951 31456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know m4? < 1305313951 882324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, defining m4_undefine in terms of undefine wouldn't work if you then redefined undefine < 1305313958 212463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, it's defined as the definition of undefine < 1305313963 167231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, although I'm a bit rusty on the matter < 1305313968 133040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : instead, it's defined as the definition of undefine <-- augh < 1305314017 760106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's so augh about htat? < 1305314019 179095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that? < 1305314058 981468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the logic of m4 I guess < 1305314071 37713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# m4_car(ARGS...) < 1305314072 7503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's elegant. < 1305314072 347660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :# m4_cdr(ARGS...) < 1305314074 103387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1305314085 123818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_define([m4_car], [[$1]]) < 1305314085 269598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_define([m4_cdr], < 1305314085 351621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[m4_if([$#], 0, [m4_fatal([$0: cannot be called without arguments])], < 1305314085 433586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : [$#], 1, [], < 1305314085 433755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : [m4_dquote(m4_shift($@))])]) < 1305314090 127351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that elegant too? < 1305314094 229997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the m4 definition of # is beautifully insane < 1305314097 961438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly readable < 1305314100 822335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually introduce a comment, like you might think < 1305314108 740510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, it causes the entire line to be copied literally, including the # < 1305314115 930214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know, it uses del or something for that iirc? < 1305314121 282825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnl for comments < 1305314123 788551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305314125 739283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnl it was < 1305314126 247335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "discard newline" < 1305314127 152256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305314131 588904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also discards everything in between too < 1305314133 327769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about # then < 1305314143 158707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# doesn't mean "discard newline" < 1305314146 746603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said what it did earlier < 1305314151 894440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305314155 528879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305314158 596073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed your line < 1305314168 903285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various other things that don't mean "discard newline", too < 1305314181 50850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, quite a lot of things don't < 1305314210 768352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this also perfectly readable? http://sprunge.us/OZgU < 1305314236 645472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's not really very bad at all < 1305314249 993160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just fully parenthesized < 1305314254 117010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1305314262 594251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the really bad things are the bits which use multiple levels of quoting < 1305314309 675601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what paradigm is m4? < 1305314324 785240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's like cpp taken to the extreme < 1305314327 600912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see several functional functions defined by helper stuff to autoconf < 1305314335 154394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a map here for example < 1305314357 80659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a foreach < 1305314392 841042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_define([_m4_foreach], < 1305314392 978110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[m4_if([$#], [3], [], < 1305314393 59754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : [m4_pushdef([_m4_f], _m4_for([4], [$#], [1], < 1305314393 141505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : [$0_([1], [2],], [)])[_m4_popdef([_m4_f])])_m4_f($@)])]) < 1305314393 141595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_define([_m4_foreach_], < 1305314393 828505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[$$1[$$3]$$2[]]]) < 1305314395 947751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1305314398 466316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically based on substitution, and it's easy to go functional from there < 1305314400 396976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like TCL < 1305314405 406788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1305314412 543144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's a better example of m4 insanity < 1305314419 73576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does it do < 1305314426 594016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of quoting shenanigans going on there is making my headhurt vaguely < 1305314427 984807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know < 1305314430 931813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305314438 469239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely knowing m4 isn't enough to actually be able to /read/ it < 1305314439 38849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, is this also perfectly readable? http://sprunge.us/OZgU < 1305314440 943849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, headhurt? < 1305314447 674278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are control structure implementations ever pretty < 1305314452 568108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1305314469 684972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see the short example I pasted inline < 1305314489 544955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty. < 1305314496 364482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example pasted inline is much more insane than either of the other two things you pasted < 1305314510 563360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ais523 take m4_case then: http://sprunge.us/ddHj < 1305314531 84573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, please rate insanity of it < 1305314532 457330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not as bad < 1305314539 431889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks worse to me < 1305314540 156870 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305314550 776389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's [[$$1[$$3]$$2[]]] that really got me going "wtf" internally < 1305314558 480581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah... < 1305314569 835313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any clue what that bit could possibly mean? < 1305314580 997723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it's a doubly-quoted or triply-quoted something < 1305314586 536070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1305314589 60115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed to unquote at different stages < 1305314593 938409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1305314599 453988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like the stuff people get up to in /// < 1305314604 499634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about the [] stuff there? < 1305314606 777289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do < 1305314612 984823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is what autoconf redefines quotes to < 1305314626 982813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's `' by default, but those are really bad quotes to have if you want to mess around with shellscript < 1305314630 40559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I meant the specific empty [] in what I pasted < 1305314635 206604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either < 1305314639 242958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of the reason I'm so confused < 1305314652 193840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps it's to stop the text generated by unquoting twice merging with the next token < 1305314661 70512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, [] interfers with if [ "$x" -eq 5 ] and so on though < 1305314670 484277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use test < 1305314679 457594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305314681 859438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test is used rather than [] everywhere in autoconf just to avoid clashing with the quote marks < 1305314691 128769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think [] were chosen as they match and aren't really necessary in shellscript < 1305314700 185025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_define([_m4_map_args_pair__], < 1305314700 327745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[$$1([$$2], [$$3])[]]]) < 1305314700 409899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4_define([_m4_map_args_pair_end], < 1305314700 491796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[m4_if(m4_eval([$3 & 1]), [1], [[m4_default([$$2], [$$1])([$$3])[]]])]) < 1305314703 468642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about those? < 1305314722 295961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: has this become a session of "paste random m4 and rate its insanity levels"? < 1305314728 725496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that isn't a massively interesting game, really < 1305314732 476205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1305314746 7307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but yeah m4 seems quite insane indeed < 1305314782 136221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it gets more boring in the higher level layers of autoconf btw < 1305314799 584905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it is the stuff I can read from .ac files < 1305314846 722114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the stuff you write in aclocal.ac/configure.ac isn't really m4, it is a language defined in m4 by prepending a crapload of definitions. Am I right? < 1305314859 195314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... /usr/share/autoconf/autoconf/erlang.m4 this scares me < 1305314886 485047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does autoconf have stuff to deal with c, fortran and erlang < 1305314891 462710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess c++ stuff is in the c one < 1305314897 38076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is m4, but with good libraries < 1305314903 63462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you write more or less directly in m4, or in sh < 1305314913 321675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically sh preprocessed by m4 < 1305314917 459454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mostly sh + autoconf for what I done < 1305314990 972467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think that they tried literate m4 (except with # at start of lines) in one file... It features a nicely numbered TOC < 1305315001 389782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1305315015 45376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone go write a file in literate cpp < 1305315019 881547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, though the effort ends about halfway, where it seems quite non-literate after that < 1305315062 991980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a number of files has TOCs, but only one seems to start off in literate style < 1305315107 3271 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect zzo to come up with literate phpini < 1305315110 613897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch this embedded sed script is horrible to read < 1305315117 368342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with all the escaping < 1305315141 589146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw you don't need ` in shell script, $() is much more readable anyway < 1305315154 471278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also nonportable < 1305315158 328750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf is written in /portable/ sh < 1305315163 197501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is POSIX however < 1305315166 911188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to everything but csh/tcsh, as those two are completely irredemable < 1305315177 959431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you insisted on POSIX, you wouldn't need autoconf in the first place < 1305315182 594413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insisting on POSIX is missing the point entirely < 1305315186 194762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1305315222 458787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually, vxworks is certified posix, considering that, I think one might need autoconf :P < 1305315237 580695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so is Windows < 1305315243 444147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, exactly < 1305315252 566590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or was rather < 1305315256 276099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they renewed that < 1305315260 35536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for interix < 1305315271 901612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so one still needs autoconf then < 1305315653 956136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305315716 453725 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305315739 701973 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305315761 461467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-149-141.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305315766 677846 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305317568 773878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :textify :: ByteString -> ByteString < 1305317568 967656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :textify = B8.unlines . reverse . takeWhile (/= B.empty) . reverse . map (fst . B.spanEnd (== space)) . B8.lines < 1305317572 969839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of composition dreams are made of. < 1305317713 349455 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DBE4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110420140830] < 1305317898 664624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too short < 1305317930 182216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i Handle lists GHC.MVar.MVar GHC.IO.Handle.Types.Handle__ < 1305317942 693158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i GHC.MVar.MVar GHC.IO.Handle.Types.Handle__ is too wide for the screen to display < 1305317943 682056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305317946 492921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1305317954 436217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:t GHC.MVar.MVar GHC.IO.Handle.Types.Handle__ can be displayed however) < 1305317964 146350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1305317966 894097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that was just an error < 1305317969 744714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1305317972 718778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but :i GHC.MVar.MVar GHC.IO.Handle.Types.Handle__ < 1305317977 774398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes outside my terminal width < 1305317980 527110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing < 1305317992 503196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, looking at types < 1305318034 777787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but come on this is silly: http://sprunge.us/iQZV < 1305318076 431276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't you agree that side scrolling is absurd < 1305318094 820232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even read that type < 1305318096 802637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1305318098 930487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what does ! in there mean < 1305318112 71478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in !dev -> GHC.IO.Handle.Types.HandleType [...] < 1305318116 194181 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, i find the indenting annoying in haskell < 1305318119 506005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictness annotations. < 1305318122 155792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305318123 501757 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sorts of indenting. < 1305318125 761452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh. < 1305318130 186095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not meant to understand that. < 1305318131 113062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mortal is. < 1305318139 792221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of type synonyms got together to produce that type. < 1305318152 125162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is it strictness. < 1305318153 619098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1305318162 918810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah no that type is just insanely fucked, wow. < 1305318166 392089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about the foreach thingy in it < 1305318166 652264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is strictness. < 1305318168 601937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's a constructor. < 1305318176 690189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What foreach < 1305318184 475573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err forall < 1305318185 347675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a forall, that's just universal quantification, usually implicit < 1305318187 193365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1305318193 450048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) == (forall a. a -> a) < 1305318194 853684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah why isn't it implicit here < 1305318200 982258 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall < 1305318202 575329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a GADT. < 1305318210 453461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now I'm lost < 1305318215 954331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that an extension? < 1305318220 930639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305318222 854560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's GHC internals. < 1305318226 768268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can do whatever they like. < 1305318230 575007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305318232 517728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what you get for poking around. :p < 1305318239 89165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah :P < 1305318248 866475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway how does the ! strictness annotation work? < 1305318259 905567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply means that the constructor argument is evaluated strictly. < 1305318261 16253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like < 1305318267 179960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myCons x y z = y `seq` RealCons x y z < 1305318271 225588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same as < 1305318276 548317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = RealCons x [exclamation mark]y z < 1305318283 269517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that you could just use RealCons directly < 1305318284 494745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea < 1305318292 737572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just that for GADTs < 1305318296 48019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, but will it have any effect if I put ! on a type signature of myself? < 1305318301 296283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305318304 578135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1305318307 722462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructor signature, yes. < 1305318310 554513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305318315 345185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you only find in GADTs. < 1305318319 723646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305318323 83383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you'd just put it before the field name in regular old ADT syntax. < 1305318334 905150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305318353 22954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway that thing is badly fucked < 1305318364 684270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1305318370 111638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just uses a lot of type synonyms. < 1305318380 767926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like decompiling the type. < 1305318384 94653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the source. :p < 1305318387 952336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or don't, because it won't make any more sense. < 1305318406 791737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don < 1305318414 299952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't* even know where the source is < 1305318419 245666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on this system anyway < 1305318419 617734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1305318422 440478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell.org/ghc/... < 1305318440 37096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or apt-get source ghc[six] < 1305318442 451897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant... "presumably it is in some weird runtime internal part of it" < 1305318462 160359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'll just be in the low-level library part thing. < 1305318464 559042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like C code. < 1305318468 754888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, christ, IO is defined in Haskell. < 1305318477 439987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, I thought GHC.foo was runtime stuff? < 1305318483 301523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what parts *are* in C then < 1305318486 809216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq I assume < 1305318489 24111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RTS. < 1305318491 593200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seq isn't. < 1305318495 893453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how* < 1305318501 461218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bang patterns. < 1305318503 846115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305318506 314970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn < 1305318513 221413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/isn// < 1305318513 448169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, wait. < 1305318516 762054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may actually be internal in GHC. < 1305318523 74662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need to be if you have bang patterns, though. < 1305318543 420725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, which stuff would be in pure C, certainly (+) for Int I guess? < 1305318582 332483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'd expect that to be in the compiler backend... < 1305318585 669023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305318602 958080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so which functions are in the ever-elusive RTS? < 1305318611 166173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, the GC is. < 1305318615 532951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you understand what the RTS is. < 1305318622 422349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1305318632 69123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ffi I guess is in the compiler backend < 1305318649 721029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so the RTS is just the GC? Nothing else? < 1305318667 958761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1305318669 453518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTFSource < 1305318676 672976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you told me not to above! < 1305318685 28298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it wouldn't make any more sense. < 1305318688 285885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305318688 672240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is true, it won't. < 1305318695 81415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/dist/7.0.3/ghc-7.0.3-src.tar.bz2 < 1305318706 481531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305318747 780360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rts/ directory may be relevant. :p < 1305318755 60803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not a line of Haskell in site. < 1305318793 936449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you mean in sight? < 1305318798 126121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305318799 38237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo. < 1305318801 389958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305318815 275445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one last question tonight (excluding possible follow up questions): at which level does IO (as in getline and so on) leave the world of haskell and enter the realm of C? Does it use the ffi perhaps? Or does it use special compiler support? < 1305318828 130893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or perhaps runtime) < 1305318830 696513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is incoherent. < 1305318837 583934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how so? < 1305318853 871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that I simply do not understand it and suspect your understanding of things is wrong in a way that I can't describe. < 1305318893 292884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically when getLine for example is evaluated in main, at some point it must translate into a call to for example the read() syscall < 1305318907 399411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :after various buffering and so on < 1305318917 260255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you with me so far? < 1305318931 102403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think source diving is the best idea here. < 1305318934 879116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the best explainer. < 1305318942 602506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but do you know the answer? < 1305318961 932909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know basically how it works; not the low-level details, but I'm fairly sure I have a semi-decent grasp on that part. < 1305318971 790248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the libraries folder contains "low-level" Haskell stuff too. < 1305319023 979070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the question is really quite simple: how does a call to getLine leave the world of 100% haskell and call libc? Does it do it through the FFI stuff of haskell or is it done in some other way? < 1305319041 238433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTS. < 1305319070 888864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that RTS = RunTimeSystem? Or RTS = Read The Source? < 1305319098 966822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First. < 1305319118 769304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm weird they don't simply use the FFI, that seems neater somehow < 1305319127 759624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wouldn't. < 1305319136 567937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the FFI has to leave magic-Haskell-land too. < 1305319146 383895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would GHC tie itself to C's API? < 1305319189 282622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes, but if this used the FFI that would mean a more unified way to do it, but I guess if you want to port it to platforms without a standard library it makes sense to put it in the RTS < 1305319228 243515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to see ghc on bare metal :D < 1305319238 5486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been done. < 1305319245 243309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programatica.cs.pdx.edu/House/ < 1305319245 478009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ooh, nice < 1305319277 508689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty < 1305319375 324434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1305319378 179432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and < 1305319381 596802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1305319381 679124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype IO a = IO (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #)) < 1305319386 61687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the IO monad itself. < 1305319390 951306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... nice < 1305319393 277282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(libraries/ghc-prim/GHC/Types.hs) < 1305319398 875508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, State#? < 1305319406 649903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's this magic thing. < 1305319406 744056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh what is the lone # there < 1305319409 806658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for both IO and ST. < 1305319416 477191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's (# a, b #). < 1305319417 989054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unboxed tuple. < 1305319422 434749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305319424 216779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. equivalent to just pushing two things on the stack. < 1305319437 528444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm a bit surprised haskell allows that < 1305319437 768327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a glorified messed up unboxed strictstate monad. < 1305319440 826430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]strict state < 1305319441 920202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It doesn't. < 1305319443 894986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's GHC. < 1305319448 543521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1305319462 272532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so a language extension, presumably considered unsafe too? < 1305319467 392185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really unsafe. < 1305319473 546564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1305319474 500743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's an extension. < 1305319488 423268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't the compiler automatically try to unbox stuff iirc? < 1305319511 764578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of not really. < 1305319522 793548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that makes me sad < 1305319531 637426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to optimise some stuff that way < 1305319540 140266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1305319546 276429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not zealously because that would be dumb. < 1305319554 168568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO :: IO a -> a < 1305319554 250762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO m = unsafeDupablePerformIO (noDuplicate >> m) < 1305319554 250928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# NOINLINE unsafeDupablePerformIO #-} < 1305319554 251029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeDupablePerformIO :: IO a -> a < 1305319554 251141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeDupablePerformIO (IO m) = lazy (case m realWorld# of (# _, r #) -> r) < 1305319562 3266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noDuplicate :: IO () < 1305319562 178470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noDuplicate = IO $ \s -> case noDuplicate# s of s' -> (# s', () #) < 1305319565 725837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1305319581 428873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is dupable IO? < 1305319587 393226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such thing. < 1305319600 129371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This version of 'unsafePerformIO' is slightly more efficient, < 1305319600 275424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it omits the check that the IO is only being performed by a < 1305319600 357240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :single thread. Hence, when you write 'unsafeDupablePerformIO', < 1305319600 357336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a possibility that the IO action may be performed multiple < 1305319600 357377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :times (on a multiprocessor), and you should therefore ensure that < 1305319600 632551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives the same results each time. < 1305319607 499806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305319616 85182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noDuplicate just does magic to prevent that. < 1305319635 577412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is that lazy function? < 1305319670 255106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even IN THE DAMN MANUAL. < 1305319673 63727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305319689 341236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I tried :i lazy in ghci, but I guess it is in a different package < 1305319705 420736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a function. < 1305319712 195646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305319724 25094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might be but it doesn't act like one. < 1305319737 647359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so where is it then, haskell.org times out for me atm... < 1305319750 587294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding it in the quagmire that is the manual. < 1305319807 859918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.0.3/html/libraries/base-4.3.1.0/GHC-Exts.html#g:7 < 1305319825 298061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for it to load < 1305319830 599698 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1305319836 61483 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1305319845 721481 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable < 1305319846 420759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it is so slow today < 1305319852 272482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1305319879 211540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh, "it is lazy in its first argument, even though its semantics is strict." what does that even mean < 1305319883 233566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic. < 1305319905 850633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305319942 443888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I# x) `plusInt` (I# y) = I# (x +# y) < 1305319944 874617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THAT EXPLAINS IT THEN < 1305319960 168475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+#) :: Int# -> Int# -> Int# < 1305319960 439424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+#) = let x = x in x < 1305319964 350079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE A FEELING THIS WAS ADDED JUST FOR HADDOCK < 1305319973 731482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact I know it was: < 1305319974 106263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- < 1305319974 217344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a generated file (generated by genprimopcode). < 1305319974 299080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not code to actually be used. Its only purpose is to be < 1305319974 299255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consumed by haddock. < 1305319974 653101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-} < 1305319976 645786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1305319998 308290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, elliott where is the plusInt stuff from? < 1305320013 907167 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err why two "elliott" < 1305320016 355685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep < 1305320018 848360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts. < 1305320028 468769 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305320064 925811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plusInteger :: Integer -> Integer -> Integer < 1305320065 147755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plusInteger i1@(S# i) i2@(S# j) = case addIntC# i j of < 1305320065 229645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (# r, c #) -> < 1305320065 229716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if c ==# 0# < 1305320065 229787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : then S# r < 1305320065 483620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else plusInteger (toBig i1) (toBig i2) < 1305320067 276790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plusInteger i1@(J# _ _) i2@(S# _) = plusInteger i1 (toBig i2) < 1305320069 367589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plusInteger i1@(S# _) i2@(J# _ _) = plusInteger (toBig i1) i2 < 1305320071 598096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plusInteger (J# s1 d1) (J# s2 d2) = case plusInteger# s1 d1 s2 d2 of < 1305320073 709196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (# s, d #) -> J# s d < 1305320075 635897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS ALL CLEAR NOW < 1305320099 375906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like +#, I wonder what that does < 1305320101 650815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh -- GHC.Integer.GMP.Internals uses the FFI. < 1305320107 844319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreign import prim "integer_cmm_plusIntegerzh" plusInteger# < 1305320108 49447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: Int# -> ByteArray# -> Int# -> ByteArray# -> (# Int#, ByteArray# #) < 1305320113 657932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Adds unboxed ints. < 1305320113 990917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice < 1305320118 94619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305320168 2028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I lied; GHC doesn't default to utf-eight, it determines it based on the locale. < 1305320174 549859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305320186 202351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, LC_CTYPE? < 1305320199 159130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1305320208 291266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+#) = let x = x in x < 1305320209 743322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305320219 146407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah for the doc gen < 1305320243 432562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a weird placeholder < 1305320259 889081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "fix id" without any dependencies :P < 1305320266 185474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purest infinite loop. < 1305320303 859523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, couldn't they simply make it (+#) = x or some such? < 1305320316 594507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well < 1305320327 320719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+#) a a = a < 1305320329 223340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1305320345 755463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a b < 1305320347 64272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1305320365 377492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, night < 1305320369 466662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1305320633 407790 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1305321200 583406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LispIDE fails in the same way as newLISP-GS < 1305321205 166832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mindboggles < 1305321220 882431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried ctrl+j < 1305321233 838218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305321294 124512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to newline and indent < 1305321315 673604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the issue all along has been taht you fail at emacs bindings < 1305321316 142946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1305321317 123042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1305321373 579755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-J does nothing in newLISP-GS, and does newline but not indent in LispIDE < 1305321413 866994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no problems with how emacs indents, although I didn't know about C-j < 1305321442 597534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried < 1305321444 604421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing the tab key < 1305321468 217526 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried not using newLISP-GS or LispIDE < 1305321479 106676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes.. it tabs. Unintelligently < 1305321483 278116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want intelligent tabbing < 1305321505 438660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, but it's just so tempting to try something other than emacs... but everything sucks < 1305321506 326626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newLISP-GS? < 1305321514 690947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is rad you should use emacs < 1305321519 975357 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm cool with vim < 1305321521 404519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, IDE that newLISP comes with < 1305321523 666953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vim < 1305321524 705967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either is cool < 1305321537 3997 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is probably cool too but I'm not good at the keybindings < 1305321537 249928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is something that isn't either < 1305321537 941082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other news, I am now on exam leave. < 1305321541 923149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fuck newlisp-gs < 1305321543 279493 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like hjkl < 1305321546 597381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ill leave YOUR exams < 1305321548 262871 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl is great < 1305321549 875869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With almost a fortnight until the next exam. < 1305321563 163000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try to get Racket working in emacs < 1305321574 891938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doing that would mean breaking my reliance on Lispboxen < 1305321588 484866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket or Chicken < 1305321592 192520 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lispboxen? < 1305321618 977467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I played with ClojureBox a while ago, and am now playing with LispBox. It's a Lisp packaged together with emacs < 1305321638 111556 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good lisp < 1305321656 9526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It itself isn't a Lisp. It comes with Clozure Common Lisp < 1305321671 52643 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good lisp < 1305321682 193120 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I'm not CL-savvy enough to compare CLs < 1305321996 373950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, are you on Windows? < 1305322001 662509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305322007 679468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Carry on. < 1305322012 569540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no hope for you anyway. < 1305322075 655316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was *going* to suggest using SBCL with manually-configured SLIME like normal people, but you clearly can't use SBCL and your Emacs setup is not something I want to think about right now.) < 1305322098 509491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Windows port of SBCL < 1305322100 96644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1305322161 279688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks. < 1305322352 148155 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try not using windows < 1305323317 602243 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any dutch people in here? < 1305323350 837433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305323388 947478 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ELLIOTT < 1305323393 629784 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS JUDGING ME < 1305323404 363922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1305324599 525580 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305324744 546927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305325103 725643 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1305325216 414963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwahahaha < 1305325231 641649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha < 1305325234 343389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I stopped following Dresden Codak, the latest arc still hasn't pulled itself out of single digits. < 1305325411 822474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god it's even better than that. < 1305325425 166336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the 3 months or so since I stopped reading, there have been a whole two comics. < 1305325531 388847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever since making the comic full-time, his update schedule has *dropped*. < 1305325545 414277 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, THIS IS HIS DAY JOB. < 1305325596 479765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...waitwhat? < 1305325628 565739 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha < 1305325641 99667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dresden Codak *is his day job*. < 1305325648 114065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how... < 1305325653 376489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, nerds. < 1305325657 982159 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305325660 842048 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nerds like merch. < 1305325669 518417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easiest people on the planet to wring cash from. < 1305325696 435044 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. You have to actually have something that appeals to them. Which isn't as easy at it seems. < 1305325704 649069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, with that accomplished, you're getting fucktons. < 1305325726 973172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does he even *do* all day? < 1305325748 374350 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be OCD about the art. < 1305325812 347815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, since the plots and characters are paper-thin. < 1305325826 782564 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1305325854 74409 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *does* show that he is used to writing one-offs. < 1305325919 610486 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His plots and characters are perfectly fleshed out for that context. His longer plot(s?) seem to really push it, though. < 1305325978 946994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One does not need plots and characters for one-offs. < 1305326022 266240 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They help, though. Only minimal development is needed on them, though. < 1305326136 577659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would debate whether the caricatures developed by one-offs really count as characters. < 1305326147 21824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if basic setting counts as plot. < 1305326220 179424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Anyways*, point is, he seems just straight-up not used to writing well-developed stories. < 1305326229 855006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1305326267 258511 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And his art has an obscene amount of attention to detail. < 1305326267 594518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure this extends to a more general point, but the only other strip I can think of off-hand that went from one-offs to plots is Casey & Andy, and it doesn't really fit. < 1305326471 903751 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-178.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305326718 947849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Dresden Codak will be put in the Library of Crapness on Mars. < 1305326835 101194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people who cannot draw men so draw women instead and claim that they're men will be exiled to Phobos, but that's an irrelevant aside. < 1305327280 52057 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1305327381 410253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the Akagi manga has no women because the author cannot draw women very well < 1305327550 871739 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305327904 643826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305328254 815336 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305328602 473410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1305328759 279237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1305329018 269212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305329166 378341 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305329190 754103 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305329589 63763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Valve deliberately include a non-paradox in a poster of paradoxes? < 1305329664 155427 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they? < 1305329715 69872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does a set of all sets contain itself?" is not a paradox < 1305329804 296356 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305329825 27611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-64.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305330005 473903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594685399013523781/6ADB57123D73270F2957B9EE32B6DFF91A1C0AEE/ < 1305330261 312878 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305330407 528386 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is a paradox < 1305330746 416001 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof(type)); < 1305330749 903940 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305330776 548785 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c const size_t a = 7; printf("%d", sizeof(a)); < 1305330779 9976 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​8 < 1305330792 999992 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c const size_t a = 12; printf("%d", sizeof(a)); < 1305330794 892447 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​8 < 1305330802 176004 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1305330902 724638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type is undefined, so sizeof(type) will fail. < 1305330903 636034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1305331109 950489 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int i;for(i=0;i<1000;i++){((unsigned char*)main)[i]=42;} < 1305331111 840172 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 32648 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1305331286 531758 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("cake");unsigned char* c=malloc(1024);memcpy(main,c,1024);int (mainPtr*)();mainPtr=(void*)c;mainPtr(); < 1305331287 973263 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305331290 449314 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1305331509 675626 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("cake");unsigned char* c=malloc(1024);memcpy((unsigned char*)main,c,1024);int (mainPtr*)();mainPtr=(void*)c;mainPtr(); < 1305331511 77074 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1305331669 113990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, does it say "set of all sets that don't contain themselves?" < 1305331775 325701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: it is a paradox < 1305331781 856005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it isn't. < 1305331789 654357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of all sets contains itself. < 1305331795 403855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hax9x/one_of_these_is_not_a_paradox_portal_2_spoiler/ < 1305331807 418135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like facepalming < 1305331851 829776 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: which is impossible < 1305331870 94389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, ...why? < 1305331883 307189 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can something contain itself < 1305331889 426979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305331892 206796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :............. < 1305331901 386276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what "paradox" means. < 1305332017 669586 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1305332027 195648 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305332142 78584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in a more proper set theory that does whatever such set theories do to prevent Russel's paradox, you can't have such a set, but that's ... still not a paradox, I think < 1305332194 145103 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305332769 20420 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, was it intentional? < 1305332902 780581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1305332905 752220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305333314 272296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just loves how driving will cease to be a commonly-useful skill soon. < 1305333335 379280 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1305333362 290533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Self-driving cars exist. Now. < 1305333370 57824 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305333382 684596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: In 10 years, they will probably be reasonably available on the market. < 1305333399 461499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 15 to 20 years, it will likely be the norm. < 1305333543 198947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those estimates are conservative. < 1305333567 364293 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1305333568 124411 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305333576 285861 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it. < 1305333580 675208 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :safety concerns < 1305333590 650495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :140,000 miles of testing on the streets of LA. < 1305333593 692289 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an AI knows not of how to react to the unknown < 1305333597 417526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 accident: rear ended. < 1305333631 70074 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, hypothetically, the car is damaged without the AI noticing < 1305333640 538658 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it drive on? yes. < 1305333731 717483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The safety concerns of an automatic car need to be compared against human drivers. < 1305333738 898674 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not highly skilled, highly trained drivers. < 1305333745 310254 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The average numbskull. < 1305333747 16834 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305333751 478071 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the average numskull < 1305333758 488138 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, right. < 1305333759 364878 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reacts better to the unknown than an AI < 1305333774 451706 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My, what an optimist. < 1305333775 948352 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't correcting spelling there, you spelled it correctly < 1305333780 637250 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: OK < 1305333789 204538 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the car sets on fire < 1305333809 382930 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens? < 1305333811 753549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man flails. < 1305333813 754393 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI flails. < 1305333820 997976 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both cases: it's epicly bad. < 1305333837 597523 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI reacts as it's programmed to do in a failure condition. < 1305333838 902682 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man stops and gets out < 1305333847 451027 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AI doesn't know there's a fire < 1305333850 652404 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the man freaks out and who the fuck knows what happens. < 1305333852 181073 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hopefully involves pulling over < 1305333854 584230 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The human may need to manually stop it < 1305333872 793387 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're *lucky*, the human manually stops it. < 1305333884 729220 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305333885 41547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're unlucky, the human runs into someone else. < 1305333890 168810 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wonder < 1305333900 321468 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the AI reacts to certain scenarios < 1305333909 693561 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could not have been forseen < 1305333962 443463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides which, this is an edge case. Human drivers fuck up on *common* cases. < 1305333972 547435 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good AI for that would be programmed with a set of rules, not case-by-case < 1305333979 224204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People plowing through a stoplight into someone? An AI won't do that. < 1305333993 460779 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falling asleep and driving into the other lane? An AI won't do that. < 1305333997 297726 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on. < 1305334003 933828 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1305334030 459830 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when the AI makes a mistake. < 1305334035 658894 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI isn't flawless. < 1305334071 635413 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1305334073 769972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect solution fallacy. Stop it. < 1305334088 23758 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What> < 1305334089 165753 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305334099 174067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Nirvana fallacy is the logical error of comparing actual things with unrealistic, idealized alternatives." < 1305334111 358065 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Wikipedia < 1305334119 375889 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, it makes a mistake < 1305334127 734140 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it makes less mistakes than human drivers, it's still successful < 1305334135 33162 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1305334151 880561 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 lawsuits < 1305334168 770340 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1305334182 178241 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the risk that AI could be deployed with serious errors < 1305334199 929399 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when that company made a cancer treatment device with a race condition? < 1305334205 875693 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And killed several people? < 1305334207 533686 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1305334216 3169 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an *actual* issue, though actually not as much of one as you think. < 1305334226 941512 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really? < 1305334227 668206 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you weren't aware, cars already *have* extensive computer controls in them. < 1305334235 664557 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. < 1305334250 291270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an error in some of them would actually be catastrophic. < 1305334256 723647 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true < 1305334291 346928 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these are things that make a self-driving car *infeasible*, just things that need to be considered in the design. < 1305334327 375411 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much as they are in other cases of software with highly dangerous failure conditions. < 1305334379 952717 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, plane autopilots, nuclear power plant control systems, and the like. < 1305334427 920967 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, a self-driving car would be able to monitor itself for failures well before a human would notice too. < 1305334520 669465 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1305334533 574187 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Car fails in fast traffic, how does it respond? < 1305334553 663516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you respond? < 1305334559 357344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human's car fails in fast traffic, how does e respond? < 1305334569 821597 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get the fuck out of there < 1305334578 569984 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"car failed" < 1305334583 706804 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in < 1305334588 263073 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1305334602 657003 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing you can do, as I mean the car spontaneously stopping working < 1305334606 658496 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the AI of a car can help the person get out of there. < 1305334615 392906 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1305334621 219926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor can the person. < 1305334632 681053 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making this hypothetical... Moot. < 1305334644 510648 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1305334659 478697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, the AI could probably be hooked into OBD, and possibly identify failure before it actually happens. < 1305334675 263376 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305334704 5448 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the car react when the traffic lights aren't working? < 1305334710 146564 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are failing? < 1305334721 773671 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say they malfunction < 1305334734 271071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends upon the malfunction. < 1305334747 216164 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flickering between different lights < 1305334751 715929 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1305334778 96363 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the AI be prepaed for this secenario? < 1305334781 742468 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1305334820 726437 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A human would, feasibly < 1305334868 652371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remind you, though, you are comparing hypothetical technical failures with demonstrable, *common*, *killing 1.2 million people a year* human faults. < 1305334878 446629 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the traffic signs are misleading, and contrary to what people are doing? < 1305334890 955410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 50 million injuries) < 1305334894 477005 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the AI listen to the traffic signs? < 1305334901 428627 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what the people on the road do? < 1305334917 632526 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What... < 1305334928 508882 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it is susceptible to SQL Injection? < 1305334942 457419 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kidding, obvs < 1305334970 891905 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: What I worry about is this: < 1305334981 384046 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A situation where the AI behaves *wrongly* < 1305334991 473768 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the human needs to override it < 1305334996 58449 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they can't drive < 1305335007 559598 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more what worries me < 1305335032 790601 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Than AI going wrong, as long as a human is there, they could possily stop it < 1305335039 445062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Well, in such a future, *hopefully* the override would be something along the lines of "Force stop". < 1305335059 995287 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I need to reverse, but there's no means to do so? < 1305335065 387922 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a start and stop button? < 1305335078 529787 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1305335289 634321 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305335444 486758 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1305335565 76465 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305336702 971308 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305337422 23140 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305337442 287589 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :anyone < 1305337518 674434 :anyone!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :nobodyy < 1305337524 18043 :nobodyy!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1305338033 184726 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305338048 351015 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1305338538 749306 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1305338734 513643 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :everyone < 1305338758 634923 :everyone!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1305339458 912907 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305341030 434117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305341615 482710 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305342556 572620 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted Deadfish challenge to anarchy golf. < 1305343154 149306 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305343340 139312 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305345883 243451 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305346000 54537 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305348197 555142 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305348295 380326 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305348998 268758 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305349397 526053 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305349496 206171 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305350597 449352 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305350697 247982 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305350926 316036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia claims that it''s a "simplified version of Russel's paradox" < 1305350940 743762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see the damn paradox < 1305351279 825853 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wikipedia claims what is? < 1305351288 5878 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Finns, what is a pulkki? < 1305351299 135334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hax9x/one_of_these_is_not_a_paradox_portal_2_spoiler/ < 1305351312 55617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No major portal 2 spoiler in comments, minor one in picture) < 1305351347 524490 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. There is no paradox. < 1305351388 643131 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, only the first is a paradox < 1305351404 10130 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second is not either; refusal is the opposite of completing < 1305351407 884642 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*acceptance < 1305351412 315187 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can refuse but complete a mission < 1305351424 897289 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New mission: Don't complete this mission" is paradoxical < 1305351440 849034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1305351481 244585 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment? < 1305351589 742852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I assume it's largely downvoted by people who don't understand that it's only reminiscent of a paradox.. < 1305351598 269633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's another reason people are downvoting? < 1305351797 739704 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305351895 538053 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305352839 869907 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305353097 541350 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305354197 635258 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305354294 191351 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305355326 118038 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305359867 193350 :Plazma!~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305359908 187860 :Plazma!~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma JOIN :#esoteric < 1305360424 84762 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-178.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305360721 773144 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF166.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305360802 677010 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305360987 249415 :CakeProphet!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305361209 991726 :CakeProphet!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305361241 107753 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1305361248 625089 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1305361274 112102 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1305361335 530121 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1305361363 71976 :CakeProphet!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305361363 153861 :CakeProphet!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1305361363 154000 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1305361557 423755 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all < 1305362197 987435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1305362277 93670 :adam___!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305362323 221811 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1305362327 447193 :adam___!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :CakeProphet < 1305362504 919418 :CakeProphet!~adam@h198.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305362538 64859 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1305362619 550319 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1305362620 482473 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305362651 46557 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1305362669 167979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305362729 341014 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305363114 571182 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILD STALLIONS! < 1305363411 167866 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305363735 899537 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305363943 754801 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho hum < 1305364611 344093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, know anything about parsec (the haskell sense) < 1305364634 194212 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1305364660 206259 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit myself. < 1305364662 146814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm trying to figure it out, I'm having a problem with how to say that two cells can be separated by one *or more* whitespace, sepBy doesn't seem to like anything but exactly one char < 1305364692 238276 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's called many or something like that. < 1305364694 949087 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought that should work fine < 1305364698 566977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305364717 956833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I get Couldn't match expected type `Char' against inferred type `[Char]' then < 1305364724 624199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305364753 819401 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle sepBy < 1305364753 985673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Combinator sepBy :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m sep -> ParsecT s u m [a] < 1305364754 66897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP sepBy :: ReadP a -> ReadP sep -> ReadP [a] < 1305364754 67057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Combinator sepBy :: Stream s m t => ParsecT s u m a -> ParsecT s u m sep -> ParsecT s u m [a] < 1305364775 248169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305364777 901826 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1305364787 514164 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what are you using as the second argument to sepBy? < 1305364829 928232 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :soemthing like sepBy p (many1 whitespace) should work fine then right? < 1305364848 860689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh now it loads < 1305364854 341242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eol = char '\n' < 1305364854 506956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell = many (noneOf " \n") < 1305364854 587962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line = sepBy cell (many (char ' ')) < 1305364854 588037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downrightFile = endBy line eol < 1305364856 640077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I have < 1305364872 960868 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely try many1 < 1305364875 168708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess I might have had some type signature wrong < 1305364878 782469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1305364888 506409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Prim.many: combinator 'many' is applied to a parser that accepts an empty string. < 1305364889 258111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305364891 891025 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the separator could be empty, and i'm not sure how that is handled < 1305364895 484271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, many1 is like 1 or more? < 1305364896 854365 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1305364899 222102 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305364924 241506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1305364938 953350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do I tell it in the above one that the last line need not end with a newline? < 1305364949 921424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the file doesn't have to be newline terminated < 1305364967 99732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, brb, phone call < 1305364968 307635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1305365014 935352 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um why not just use sepBy for that too? < 1305365091 445000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1305365094 947623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1305365101 24258 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wait there's sepEndBy < 1305365108 337867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does it do? < 1305365118 905845 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as sepBy but optional ending too < 1305365122 585546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305365126 610285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1305365134 696255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have to say that yacc is easier than this though < 1305365147 425644 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not as much to remember maybe < 1305365164 982384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does sepBy allow leading whitespace at the start of a line hm < 1305365173 18400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there sepStartBy? < 1305365179 380111 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305365211 714804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed sepBy does not allow that < 1305365230 54906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have no idea how to indicate that anything except ↓→, whitespace, newline is considered comments < 1305365242 521993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to indicate a cell is empty one is supposed to insert a comment in it < 1305365254 471916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I guess that is easier to parse outside this thing < 1305365304 918447 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just use a filter on the resulting string < 1305365314 906037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305365350 804508 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to start with whitespace just use optional whitespace >> < 1305365381 934059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line = (many (char ' ')) >> (sepBy cell (many1 (char ' '))) < 1305365384 670885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you mean that? < 1305365394 183537 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that works too < 1305365397 736380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec> parseDownRight "a b\n c d" < 1305365397 841283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right [["a","b"],[]] < 1305365399 497202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm nope < 1305365412 995498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1305365416 263313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to save the file < 1305365418 808111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :before loading it < 1305365421 270075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it works < 1305365431 59088 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: technically if you ignore the result i suspect skipMany is more efficient < 1305365441 241778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, except of course that leading whitespace on the first line is undefined! < 1305365448 604156 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305365449 384203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that means I can ignore it as well < 1305365457 109973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is *undefined* < 1305365467 625280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see http://esolangs.org/wiki/DownRight < 1305365468 267579 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds spooky. < 1305365477 898316 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well in that case you could make your newline combinator remove trailing whitespace too < 1305365493 487012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had a dream that I found myself in a room with an elevator due to the stack overflow of a badly designed computer program (which I didn't think even possible in the programming language that was used), and the person who wrote the program was also there. < 1305365506 81078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... you mean like eol = (many (char ' ')) >> char '\n' ? < 1305365530 609170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add a combinator for the ws to save space, since I'm not sure how tab should be handled < 1305365534 814876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to ask ais about that < 1305365588 827630 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe anyToken would be useful if you actually wanted Parsec to deal with the possible of comment characters. < 1305365595 620829 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possibility < 1305365596 890760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, hm < 1305365620 113440 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree it's easier just to filter it out. < 1305365621 98261 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: um he doesn't want it to be _any_ token, whitespace is excluded < 1305365629 548292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305365639 226361 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well right, then just noneOf valid_tokens < 1305365644 173952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, oerjan, http://esolangs.org/wiki/DownRight#Syntax < 1305365644 707726 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so noneOf " \n" is pretty much correct there < 1305365674 216490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ws = many (char ' ') < 1305365674 398440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ws1 = many1 (char ' ') < 1305365674 480149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eol = ws >> char '\n' < 1305365674 562911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell = many1 (noneOf " \n") < 1305365674 562985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line = ws >> (sepBy cell ws1) < 1305365675 11341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downrightFile = sepEndBy line eol < 1305365678 356004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seems to work so far < 1305365697 591562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305365701 825015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't handle trailing ws < 1305365702 844286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1305365726 155363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left "(unknown)" (line 1, column 5): < 1305365726 424175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "\n" < 1305365726 506252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting " " < 1305365727 534191 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as a general rule iirc you usually want all your tokens to absorb whitespace after it < 1305365730 539079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any good idea? < 1305365738 555598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... < 1305365754 247573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you mean this? line = ws >> (sepBy cell ws1) >> ws < 1305365761 828482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that work < 1305365785 896022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe SepEndBy < 1305365786 735656 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the first ws then < 1305365798 554999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, really? hm < 1305365806 377616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does that deal with newlines < 1305365806 923853 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's equivalent to sepEndBy < 1305365810 20311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305365823 146474 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you want the newlines to absorb _their_ trailing whitespace too < 1305365827 868402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aha < 1305365848 779354 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way most things start with a genuine non-whitespace token < 1305365878 76779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> parseDownRight " a b \n\n c d" < 1305365878 349835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right [[]] < 1305365878 632102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `parseDownRight' < 1305365879 316994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1305365888 539141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't that give me Left < 1305365897 646397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like an error to me < 1305365913 52240 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1305365918 238293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ws = many (char ' ') < 1305365918 434176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ws1 = many1 (char ' ') < 1305365918 571264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eol = char '\n' >> ws < 1305365918 653164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell = many1 (noneOf " \n") < 1305365918 653334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line = sepEndBy cell ws1 < 1305365919 2213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downrightFile = sepEndBy line eol < 1305365920 887880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I have no < 1305365923 633887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now* < 1305365929 972591 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought downright was supposed to allow more than one newline in a row < 1305365935 798367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes indeed < 1305365937 597094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it does < 1305365948 224784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means an empty line surely? < 1305365959 811886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, the issue here is the leading whitespace < 1305365965 343766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the first line < 1305365972 739847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> parseDownRight "a b \n\n c d" < 1305365972 911816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right [["a","b"],[],["c","d"]] < 1305365973 334722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `parseDownRight' < 1305365980 672288 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that means no line at all, it's treated as one line break in total < 1305365985 594444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1305366003 210001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, easily fixed < 1305366028 682786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec> parseDownRight "a b \n\n c d" < 1305366028 886954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right [["a","b"],["c","d"]] < 1305366028 968617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec> parseDownRight " a b \n\n c d" < 1305366028 968784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right [[]] < 1305366035 984143 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :parseBrainfuck = anyToken < 1305366037 507017 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm your problem may be that sepEndBy can parse zero items < 1305366040 656336 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a master. < 1305366047 515515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1305366054 56254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is there a variant that doesn't? < 1305366063 573737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably sepEndBy1 < 1305366072 963762 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that exists. < 1305366078 620140 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1305366084 480407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes me wonder if an empty DownRight file is valid < 1305366109 726351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also this doesn't handle that there must be equally many columns on each line < 1305366119 8451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I'll do that outside the parser, afterwards < 1305366129 972495 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it valid with an <|> most likely. I don't remember how you specify a null input with Parsec. < 1305366181 345850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that would be useful to know < 1305366253 663922 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :string ""? < 1305366292 695317 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return () < 1305366300 486524 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. :) < 1305366307 824164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305366328 704513 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been ages since I've looked at Parsec. < 1305366328 840365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1305366330 456610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downrightFile = (sepEndBy1 line eol) <|> (return ()) < 1305366332 233238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1305366351 773673 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :parens aren't necessary, and I don't know if that's what you want or not because I'm too lazy to read right now. :P < 1305366361 408220 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's 5:46 AM so I'm probably going to sleep soon actually. < 1305366365 80597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that doesn't work < 1305366371 799245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Text.Parsec.Prim.Stream s m Char) < 1305366372 3026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `char' at downright.hs:5:14-22 < 1305366375 231252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1305366379 865408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[[Char]]]' < 1305366380 69526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `()' < 1305366383 258183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1305366386 651862 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ make parsec check for column number by using count for all but the first line < 1305366415 239044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lets make the empty program invalid, I guess I could fix that later if I have to < 1305366452 575662 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :homespring prints "the null program is not a quine" or something similar. I recommend that. < 1305366458 874125 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it meant anything at all, it should presumably halt immediately, thus equivalent to a single comment cell < 1305366472 936821 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305366514 921603 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well probably return [] actually to get the type right < 1305366547 328678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec> parseDownRight " a\n" < 1305366547 553814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right [] < 1305366548 150794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305366552 586106 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :return () is a parser that accepts any input without consuming input < 1305366554 371820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that one isn't calid < 1305366561 625753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid* < 1305366562 951036 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305366572 233884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I need the empty string exactly there < 1305366582 846025 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You propably want eof < 1305366587 805648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305366592 168276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: downrightFile = (sepEndBy1 line eol) <|> eof < 1305366592 890236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1305366600 193539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whops < 1305366600 987285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305366606 975420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[[[Char]]]' < 1305366607 168739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `()' < 1305366608 57584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1305366608 480509 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested to see if string "" actually does something or if it's completely undefined. < 1305366621 29799 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eof >> return [] < 1305366639 770779 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um usually you put eof at the very end of the whole parser, although if there is no way to err on trailing input that is not necessary < 1305366649 17205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa, that seems to work < 1305366660 389255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, type error, but maybe [""] would work. < 1305366682 713310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah trailing newlines and spaces is valid < 1305366689 794250 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well anyway you should do return whatEverYouWantAsTheResult < 1305366698 77920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1305366742 987160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to write the filter, then to write the generator (I'm compiling, not interpreting) < 1305366747 408839 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hedonistic purposes you could return bottom. Just make sure you don't evaluate that. < 1305366760 719386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, :P < 1305366778 452864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually yacc is easier than parsec I conclude, at least if you are used to yacc < 1305366793 443685 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't know, I take great pleasure in being able to manipulate things that have no result. < 1305366797 617688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I have to say that once you get parsec doing the right thing, it is quite elegantly short < 1305366827 739211 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it's Haskell, which is always nice. < 1305366848 529076 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually pass around meaningful data in your parser monad. < 1305366879 149916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, iirc cpressy said there was some yacc for haskell called "happy" or something like that < 1305366932 820585 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (not . null) . map (filter (not . null) . words) . lines $ " a bc \n \n d e" -- >:) < 1305366934 226703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["a","bc"],["d","e"]] < 1305366953 229766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you are ding the same thing but without parsec there I guess < 1305366963 502195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@t null < 1305366963 584249 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305366963 666345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc topic-tail topic-tell type . ? @ ft v < 1305366969 372863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t null < 1305366969 949918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Bool < 1305366975 250201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305367000 734352 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> words " \n \n" < 1305367001 407626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1305367013 3234 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that filtering may be necessary < 1305367016 992964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (--) < 1305367017 618961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1305367022 448512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>:) < 1305367023 80944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `>:' < 1305367028 16904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that stuff oerjan < 1305367036 665398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1305367038 265255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comment < 1305367039 468262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1305367042 332809 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comment XD < 1305367044 466677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lol < 1305367054 132907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, my irc client lacks syntax highlight < 1305367061 36837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for haskell at least < 1305367065 10 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive my involuntary chatspeak outburst. < 1305367088 760009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know they make IRC clients with that. < 1305367088 881612 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (not . null) . map words . lines $ " a bc \n \n d e" < 1305367090 186190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["a","bc"],["d","e"]] < 1305367098 570992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, golfing it? < 1305367113 816602 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just removing the redundant filter < 1305367142 174245 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (not . null) . map words . lines $ " a bc \n \t\n d\te" < 1305367143 531145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["a","bc"],["d","e"]] < 1305367192 89081 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, just lampshading how much overkill parsec is for this < 1305367195 789086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was the command to make lambdabot convert to pointless style? < 1305367210 963850 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl < 1305367217 309288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well it was elliott who told me one should always use parsec, I know I shouldn't have trusted him < 1305367226 193489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, not pf for pointfree? < 1305367235 898749 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, pointless for... pointless. :P < 1305367237 495694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl filter (not . null) . map words . lines $ " a bc \n \t\n d\te" < 1305367237 577518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter (not . null) (map words (lines " a bc \n \t\n d\te")) < 1305367239 969454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305367244 788297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1305367253 991601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pf filter (not . null) . map words . lines $ " a bc \n \t\n d\te" < 1305367254 74132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: bf pl < 1305367261 119784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, indeed < 1305367278 512367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a play on words. < 1305367285 441117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that conversion looks wrong to me though < 1305367339 956753 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's already point-free isn't it? < 1305367352 603306 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'd expect string "" to be equivalent to return "" < 1305367353 528726 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that changes was some of the composition was changed to application. < 1305367380 340445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter (\x -> x == '↓' || x == '→') "foo↓→→↓" < 1305367380 545563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\8595\8594\8594\8595" < 1305367386 619913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is there a better way to write that < 1305367389 862652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that test < 1305367398 331091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl filter (\x -> x == '↓' || x == '→') "foo↓→→↓" < 1305367398 427230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 20): < 1305367398 509056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "'" < 1305367398 509252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting space or simple term < 1305367402 147814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1305367419 940167 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t or < 1305367420 684172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Bool] -> Bool < 1305367429 738236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (||) < 1305367430 305971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1305367434 776707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1305367435 303722 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...trying to remember my Haskell. < 1305367445 451007 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well parsec would have been better if the syntax was even slightly outside what lines and words could handle < 1305367446 764057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like "in" here < 1305367461 177440 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t elem < 1305367461 762317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => a -> [a] -> Bool < 1305367462 223590 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (`elem` "↓→") "foo↓→→↓" < 1305367462 774246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\8595\8594\8594\8595" < 1305367477 633217 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elem is "in" ;) < 1305367483 677853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305367513 442429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl filter (`elem` "↓→") "foo↓→→↓" < 1305367513 579067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter (`elem` "\226\134\147\226\134\146") "foo\226\134\147\226\134\146\226\134\146\226\134\147" < 1305367517 805144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crap? < 1305367527 877273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do there < 1305367532 402639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding failure? < 1305367545 444633 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @pl isn't precisely perfect parsing < 1305367545 876895 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it. < 1305367551 498217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aha < 1305367576 654131 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src < 1305367576 736346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :src . Display the implementation of a standard function < 1305367593 881786 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even try to handle some constructs, because it doesn't know how to convert them < 1305367597 389610 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, how do I get source code of egobot interpreters? < 1305367613 862704 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1305367614 720717 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1305367616 387408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :map (filter (`elem` "↓→") "foo↓→→↓") [["\8595\8594ab","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367622 861820 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1305367623 224078 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1305367625 570651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :>map (filter (`elem` "↓→") "foo↓→→↓") [["\8595\8594ab","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367628 677574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (filter (`elem` "↓→") "foo↓→→↓") [["\8595\8594ab","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367629 377593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' < 1305367629 459306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[GHC.T... < 1305367632 591738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305367635 264722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1305367637 632404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map < 1305367638 173058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1305367646 516057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait nwm < 1305367652 489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm* < 1305367657 188065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (filter (`elem` "↓→")) [["\8595\8594ab","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367657 816202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1305367657 898025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1305367662 391291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1305367695 247736 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1305367695 452187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (++) :: [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1305367695 534083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List (++) :: [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1305367695 616142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1305367701 276717 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1305367706 295076 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1305367722 563440 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1305367722 983619 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes redneck reverse rimshot rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1305367724 609070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (map (filter (`elem` "↓→"))) [["\8595\8594ab","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367725 225114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["\8595\8594","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367730 435785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305367734 958292 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern What on earth does this do. < 1305367736 284592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl map (map (filter (`elem` "↓→"))) [["\8595\8594ab","\8595\8594"],["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367736 459149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :map (map (filter (`elem` "\226\134\147\226\134\146"))) [["\8595\8594ab", "\8595\8594"], ["\8595\8594"]] < 1305367736 788407 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​What on earth does this semiotically do. < 1305367754 739609 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "testing ho" `intersect` "te" < 1305367755 497963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "tet" < 1305367758 963115 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305367768 889383 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that can also be used :) < 1305367781 89779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wtf is intersec < 1305367784 500102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersect* < 1305367785 923358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305367788 46046 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set intersection < 1305367788 765008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intersec < 1305367789 427883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `intersec' < 1305367789 943954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intersect < 1305367790 559035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1305367791 360714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305367800 915578 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!yodawg Hello miss, you are beautiful. < 1305367801 100264 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Unknown function: H < 1305367801 802216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that seems more confusing in this case however < 1305367806 227115 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it seems to do the right thing on multiple hits, by accident < 1305367816 277436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1305367820 844173 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help info < 1305367821 304241 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for info! < 1305367828 977242 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src intersect < 1305367829 97262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersect = intersectBy (==) < 1305367837 11631 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src intersectBy < 1305367837 108688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersectBy eq xs ys = [x | x <- xs, any (eq x) ys] < 1305367840 81894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'd rather not depend on that unless it is speced that way < 1305367852 899774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info yodawg < 1305367853 343888 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null < 1305367859 445136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...haha. okay. < 1305367878 522648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to cat a complaint directly to /dev/null this instant! < 1305367883 54394 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: um that was just the default info message < 1305367889 458023 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I see that.. < 1305367898 88264 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there is any help for userinterps < 1305367907 431622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway this one seems fine: filterDownRight = map (map (filter (`elem` "↓→"))) < 1305367912 491853 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for a way to display the source code. < 1305367919 45741 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: however i so _happen_ to know that yodawg is my unlambda self-interpreter < 1305367921 632335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the name "The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake" made from? < 1305367936 632147 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I prefer that people not worry about that. < 1305367939 603159 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol zzo xD < 1305367940 898863 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: !show yodawg, but you need DCC CHAT < 1305367952 293976 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's not really an interesting story. < 1305367964 218818 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show yodawg < 1305367964 714688 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​unlambda (sending via DCC) < 1305367970 69293 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show yodawg < 1305367970 670755 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​unlambda (sending via DCC) < 1305367980 924341 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show yodawg < 1305367981 303625 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​unlambda (sending via DCC) < 1305367994 288782 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* DCC CHAT to EgoBot lost (Remote host closed socket). < 1305368018 799854 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is broke < 1305368024 562337 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show postmodern < 1305368025 29358 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​sh postmodern < 1305368029 346149 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305368038 596811 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant code. < 1305368087 281888 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1305368094 553168 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​MBUJDQ < 1305368106 218184 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah! I forgot about this. Nothing derails conversation like an acronym generator. < 1305368196 418644 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manly Bikers Union Justly Deserves Quoting < 1305368234 655431 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, anyway this one seems fine: filterDownRight = map (map (filter (`elem` "↓→"))) <-- you could put a filter (`elem` "↓→") <$> directly on the parsec cell combinator too < 1305368266 614012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what would <$> do here < 1305368281 306344 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :synonym for fmap < 1305368283 921005 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap. applies a function to a Functor instance. All monads are functors. < 1305368290 467248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:0: Not in scope: `<$>' < 1305368291 663451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where < 1305368294 212125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305368297 24929 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1305368297 711661 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applcative < 1305368301 794605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ah < 1305368303 612228 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Applicative < 1305368310 254878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why ouch? < 1305368312 193749 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Control.Functor < 1305368327 556816 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it isn't imported automatically. well i guess it's not that big < 1305368336 179080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is ghc 6 < 1305368338 568974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ghc 7 < 1305368351 46272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it differs < 1305368367 470934 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could say `liftM` instead, although elliott will yell at you :D < 1305368384 185942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm not familiar with what LiftM does here... Tell me < 1305368391 204383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why elliott would yell at me < 1305368399 820623 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between parsec 2 and 3 in what instances are provided < 1305368401 792363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: :1:0: Not in scope: `liftM' < 1305368408 721959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is parsec 3 I think < 1305368408 868295 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe both have Functor < 1305368419 752565 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right liftM requires Control.Monad < 1305368431 996589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen (x:xs) = < 1305368432 163326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : let l = length x in < 1305368432 244251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : all (\y -> length y == l) xs < 1305368432 325367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for monads it's something like (<$>) m f x = do { x <- m; return (f x)} < 1305368435 646091 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe < 1305368437 473005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm sure you can rewrite that :P < 1305368445 427399 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the monad equivalent of fmap, existing for stupid "missing subclassing" reasons < 1305368447 663647 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-206-241.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone think "onomatoegrava" is a good word for this? (1st def) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asdfasdf < 1305368469 522379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but why will elliott yell at me for using it? < 1305368503 894167 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well he yelled at _me_ once < 1305368508 311854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but why < 1305368518 815870 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Applicative syntax is prettier < 1305368528 821655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, go figure, how elliott < 1305368559 231919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw what would declaring main as an ffi call do? < 1305368560 343928 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43464.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305368567 554256 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about f <$> m1 <*> m2 just feels right < 1305368637 665528 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...I prefer that people not worry about that. <-- browsing r/all gives me some suspicions :) < 1305368653 748015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, r/all ? < 1305368674 692381 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at a loss as well. < 1305368741 814552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what string concat operator was in haskell... < 1305368743 8324 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, it is broke <-- it has worked for me in the past. sadly i'm on an unusual client (webchat) now because the nvg servers i usually use are down, so i cannot check; and also i cannot point you to my webpage because that's also on an nvg server < 1305368751 547753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ++ < 1305368753 611479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305368833 757643 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elegant code. <-- probably a program in egobot's /bin/ < 1305368853 812886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....yes. probably. < 1305368861 11699 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was one of those joke things. you know. < 1305368939 928606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, how did one format an integer as a decimal string now again, I don't remember < 1305368955 919298 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: reddit's "list all subreddits as one page". a certain subreddit named r/trees tends to show up frequently < 1305368986 865193 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: show < 1305369003 34200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about hexdecimal then < 1305369014 210860 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 666 "" < 1305369014 834081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "29a" < 1305369017 265587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305369028 886726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and an arbitrary base? < 1305369046 920471 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showIntAtBase < 1305369047 580768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> (Int -> Char) -> a -> String -> String < 1305369058 481389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305369074 662226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ShowIntegerAtBase < 1305369075 326757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `ShowIntegerAtBase' < 1305369077 699442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1305369078 593692 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 3 intToDigit 27 "" < 1305369079 286212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1000" < 1305369083 241888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't Int fixnum? < 1305369086 750556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Integer bignum? < 1305369092 561234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do I misrememer < 1305369105 367710 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's just for converting the digit, the whole number is any Integral < 1305369117 3113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305369141 101131 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to work in bases > (maxInt :: Int), you might need to work harder :D < 1305369201 327690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1305369212 968016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :showIntAtBase 4 intToDigit 27 "" < 1305369215 906516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 4 intToDigit 27 "" < 1305369216 560114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "123" < 1305369221 48597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1305369228 108183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which parameter is which < 1305369234 489691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 27 the number to convert? < 1305369237 400465 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305369241 426969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :showIntAtBase 123 intToDigit 97 "" < 1305369244 294816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 123 intToDigit 97 "" < 1305369244 966877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Char.intToDigit: not a digit 97 < 1305369246 745747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305369252 246182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the range < 1305369254 148041 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only goes up to hex, i think < 1305369259 245687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, bah, useless < 1305369271 266559 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map intToDigit [0..] < 1305369271 775092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0123456789abcdef*Exception: Char.intToDigit: not a digit 16 < 1305369274 228460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, erlang's can handle any base between 2 and 36 anywhere < 1305369292 104812 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can make your own replacement easily, that's why it's a parameter after all < 1305369292 186018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in source code < 1305369296 412756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305369303 908405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I wonder why it doesn't go further however < 1305369317 930960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the built in I mean < 1305369325 634217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intToDigit' < 1305369326 186238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `intToDigit'' < 1305369326 747494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t intToDigit < 1305369327 553192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> Char < 1305369328 62036 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's haskell 98 standard < 1305369331 213593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::show intToDigit < 1305369334 890577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show intToDigit < 1305369335 443177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show < 1305369335 524548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.T... < 1305369337 537550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1305369338 976980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1305369339 523672 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src intToDigit < 1305369339 604863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing < 1305369356 339310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1305369360 982940 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle intToDigit < 1305369361 80817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Char intToDigit :: Int -> Char < 1305369374 443123 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may want to browse Data.Char source < 1305369380 408703 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source Data.Char < 1305369380 505908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darcs.haskell.org/packages/base/Data/Char.hs < 1305369381 840860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't lambdabot have it? < 1305369402 269412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, download rather than view online < 1305369403 630032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1305369412 987085 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure @source is accurate anyway < 1305369421 832575 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help source < 1305369421 914519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :source . Lookup the url of fptools libraries < 1305369437 611478 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the name fptools itself is pretty obsolete, i think < 1305369443 10809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any sort of queue structure in haskell's standard library < 1305369451 563515 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Data.Sequence < 1305369453 946873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305369456 298640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1305369470 836577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just realised I prefer to interpret than to generate a queue in C :D < 1305369484 507742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I originally planned to compile to C) < 1305369531 497721 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw it occured to me the other day that downright may not _need_ a queue in haskell, you might make do with just lazy lists and some knot tying < 1305369543 892501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err, knot tying? < 1305369553 289066 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that fibonacci thing... < 1305369562 842987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, uh...? < 1305369570 79412 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib = 1:1:zipWith (+) fib (tail fib) < 1305369570 685546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let fib = 1:1:zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)' < 1305369573 369047 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib = 1:1:zipWith (+) fib (tail fib) in fib < 1305369574 83307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,1... < 1305369579 110654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does that work < 1305369587 653162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1:1:zipWith < 1305369588 231179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[t]' < 1305369588 312200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `(a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c]' < 1305369588 393991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `(:)', namely `zipWith' < 1305369591 349850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1:1 < 1305369591 928097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t, Num [t]) => [t] < 1305369592 64774 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fib or for downright? < 1305369598 593285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the fib < 1305369619 995539 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by laziness the fib list starts with 1,1, without looking at the rest < 1305369630 670132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1305369635 386308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains that part < 1305369642 582712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zipWith < 1305369643 196025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b c. (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c] < 1305369656 555306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305369675 147651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how would this work for downright then < 1305369675 682479 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you want to compute the next element, the parts of the list it depends on (the two previous elements) are available < 1305369747 794091 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you don't find that obvious, using it for downright might be a bit premature < 1305369760 132133 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/similar tricks/ < 1305369791 698660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1305369911 320437 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knot tying in haskell is when you write functions that seem like they depend on their own result, but subtly it works because each _part_ of the result doesn't depend on itself, so the recursion gets down to base < 1305369970 566474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305369973 335310 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is often a vital technique for building very recursive structures without using mutation < 1305369973 604563 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also dark wizardry. < 1305369984 787314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, right, I shall avoid it then < 1305369991 510666 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's awesome. < 1305370079 605547 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :briefly mentioning how i imagined it for downright, i though you could calculate the list of >v moves the downright program passes through, using that list as part of the input, and it should work < 1305370103 390875 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it _may_ be that you get an exception when the list runs out, but that should be catchable < 1305370129 342494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude.zip [0..] $ Prelude.map (Prelude.zip [0..]) [["123","456"],["abc","def"]] < 1305370129 563190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(0,[(0,"123"),(1,"456")]),(1,[(0,"abc"),(1,"def")])] < 1305370134 334995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have coords almost < 1305370137 863151 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = x in x < 1305370138 655126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite what I want < 1305370141 501776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1305370148 789805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like ((x,y),"foo") < 1305370157 185124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be perfect for a Data.Map I think < 1305370164 65648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any nice idea for how to do that? < 1305370167 420286 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops lambdabot doesn't give an exception there, i think it depends on ghc settings whether it actually catches that < 1305370174 769536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution would probably not be very nice looking < 1305370217 958572 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um given that it's fixed immutable column and rows, why not use Data.Array? < 1305370230 216648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh thanks, I wasn't aware of that one < 1305370244 309385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I guess it isn't in containers < 1305370259 110751 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Array is actually plain haskell 98 < 1305370263 920446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305370273 280845 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well + hierarchical name) < 1305370382 865739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is it only 1D array? < 1305370395 645380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to support non-coprime sizes < 1305370401 188444 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it comes with the Ix typeclass for arbitrary indexes < 1305370411 151454 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Ix iirc) < 1305370426 863379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets see... how does one load [["123","456"],["abc","def"]] into an array hm < 1305370454 887633 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t arrayFromList < 1305370455 548975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `arrayFromList' < 1305370458 149985 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1305370463 973818 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t newArray < 1305370464 646730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `newArray' < 1305370470 634114 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1305370473 424970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t array < 1305370473 630992 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle array < 1305370473 712069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :package array < 1305370473 792977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Array.IArray array :: (IArray a e, Ix i) => (i, i) -> [(i, e)] -> a i e < 1305370473 793059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Array < 1305370474 174034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall i e. (Ix i) => (i, i) -> [(i, e)] -> Array i e < 1305370489 846851 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkArray? < 1305370495 633497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mkArray < 1305370496 179612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mkArray' < 1305370497 478728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305370500 385864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is array it seems < 1305370516 199377 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually array but that seems redundant < 1305370519 844726 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t listArray < 1305370520 503140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall i e. (Ix i) => (i, i) -> [e] -> Array i e < 1305370525 728552 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1305370529 583601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305370547 950107 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't need to list the indices except for the bounds < 1305370567 759326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305370577 406887 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> listArray ((0,0),(1,1)) "abcd" < 1305370577 980576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : array ((0,0),(1,1)) [((0,0),'a'),((0,1),'b'),((1,0),'c'),((1,1),'d')] < 1305370623 661277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :listArray ((0,0),(1,1)) [["123","456"],["abc","def"]] < 1305370623 810177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :array ((0,0),(1,1)) [((0,0),["123","456"]),((0,1),["abc","def"]),((1,0),*** Exception: (Array.!): undefined array element < 1305370625 304212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what < 1305370629 304818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do I need to flatten it < 1305370630 319720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305370647 915504 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i said use listArray :D < 1305370659 603160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well that is what I did < 1305370664 284682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not the right way < 1305370670 185888 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305370674 341825 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah concat < 1305370713 248998 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [[e]] -> Array i e < 1305370713 369046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans lift :: (MonadTrans t, Monad m) => m a -> t m a < 1305370713 460051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Graph delNodes :: Graph gr => [Node] -> gr a b -> gr a b < 1305370713 541989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Array.IArray listArray :: (IArray a e, Ix i) => (i, i) -> [e] -> a i e < 1305371299 587938 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305371474 555691 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1305371968 88912 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-178.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305372093 699130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305373282 299627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is there anything wrong with this: `Seq.(><)` < 1305373286 461353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downright.hs:42:55: parse error on input `.' < 1305373291 131665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : executeDownRight program (newqueue `Seq.(><)` str) newpos max < 1305373292 622219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that line < 1305373310 960759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have import qualified Data.Sequence as Seq < 1305373316 474453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it clashed with Prelude < 1305373345 321790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, oerjan: any idea? < 1305373395 168645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, doesn't work outside as prefix either < 1305373450 207919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1305373459 344974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh two sequences < 1305373462 272130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that is it < 1305373504 564441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm nope < 1305373520 575322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : executeDownRight program (Seq.(><) newqueue (Seq.fromList str)) newpos max < 1305373522 582490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives me: < 1305373524 160457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downright.hs:42:42: Not in scope: data constructor `Seq' < 1305373524 285323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downright.hs:42:46: Not in scope: `><' < 1305373531 294297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1305373572 402419 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Seq.><) < 1305373582 577295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305374036 576758 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305374077 986602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> downRight "→ " < 1305374078 121820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right *** Exception: divide by zero < 1305374078 560339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `downRight' < 1305374080 82529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crap? < 1305374090 818813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I manage that one < 1305374106 658847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wrapping < 1305374120 880819 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one error when dividing by 1? < 1305374128 155893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah I think so < 1305374195 375861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> downRight "→ f f" < 1305374195 550195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right ^CInterrupted. < 1305374196 2317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `downRight' < 1305374199 330754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how did that happen < 1305374199 843685 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for operators it might be worth adding an unqualified partial import < 1305374231 77072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305374250 26327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is there a haskell debugger? < 1305374267 658184 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try :help < 1305374269 167248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'd like to single step this logic (whatever that means in a lazy language...) < 1305374287 349758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305374332 350002 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well does that parse into [["→", "", ""]] at least? < 1305374348 683548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes it does < 1305374364 358422 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it should halt on the second one < 1305374397 756672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the debugger is highly confusing < 1305374411 710609 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never used it < 1305374475 845966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a coloured ghc prompt would probably help with readablity < 1305374478 41789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it stand out < 1305374493 53498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something as simple as making the Prelude> bit bold < 1305374503 301641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well *Main, in this case) < 1305374523 193692 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can set the prompt i think, don't know about color codes < 1305374548 763088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do you set the prompt then? < 1305374566 592171 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb firing up winghci < 1305374571 741527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1305374573 509453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::set prompt < 1305374735 946531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw this works for me, but does it work in winghci: < 1305374737 531329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::set prompt "\0027[1m%s>\0027[0m " < 1305374753 562979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tell me if it looks anything like bold or highlighted < 1305374811 208841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any idea to make ghci always run that thing at the start? < 1305374816 91459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of init file? < 1305374818 972447 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my prompt is now "\0027[1mPrelude>\0027[0m " :D < 1305374864 667046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ~/.ghci < 1305374867 584767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so not very useful then :P < 1305374869 906614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, thanks < 1305374892 195196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1305374904 612212 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know, winghci has its own option menu < 1305374942 320130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it fucks up with readline, why < 1305374943 42219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1305374968 180324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well or whatever ghci uses < 1305374981 780806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm $PS1 in bash uses \[ and \] around the escape code to protect them < 1305374988 499463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the equiv in ghci would be < 1305374991 647331 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStrLn of that string _does_ give bold in winghci < 1305374991 991246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any bright idea? < 1305375014 924261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use :set prompt "> ", so no < 1305375020 258934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305375176 366446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm http://trac.haskell.org/haskeline/ticket/78 < 1305375312 207809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-166-48.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305375622 203124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, found one issue at least < 1305375627 943812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/y mixup < 1305375635 711253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess array does it the other way than I expected < 1305375656 143382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easiest to switch to (y,x) then < 1305375658 729425 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1305375680 952523 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> listArray ((0,0),(1,1)) "abcd" < 1305375681 630469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : array ((0,0),(1,1)) [((0,0),'a'),((0,1),'b'),((1,0),'c'),((1,1),'d')] < 1305375704 141468 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1305375767 928454 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle range < 1305375768 141592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix range :: Ix a => (a, a) -> [a] < 1305375768 223492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH data Range < 1305375768 223698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.Syntax data Range < 1305375781 100408 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> range ((0,0),(1,1)) < 1305375781 721187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(0,1),(1,0),(1,1)] < 1305375800 920159 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Ix instance for tuples that orders lexicographically < 1305375849 180930 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src listArray < 1305375849 262840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist! < 1305375851 22765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> downRight "↓ a b\n→ c d" < 1305375851 197664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right (1,1) < 1305375852 736177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work < 1305375884 506093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should write a main too < 1305376008 959101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet! < 1305376016 197471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were dead! < 1305376327 529727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it is done, 70 lines < 1305376335 585965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shortens it a bit < 1305376350 765501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :executeDownRight :: Array (Int, Int) String -> Seq.Seq Char -> (Int, Int) -> (Int,Int) -> (Int,Int) < 1305376354 941318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that seems a bit long < 1305376797 246303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure this could be written in a nicer way, but I'm not that good at haskell yet. If you give criticism, make it constructive! http://sprunge.us/cCfg < 1305376812 819989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, esolang wiki is public domain right < 1305376827 758485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that means no BSD license if it goes there < 1305377253 345954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Phantom_Hoover: how do you make a code block on the wiki? < 1305377276 690539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 IIRC
< 1305377289 652501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or , I think that does something.
< 1305377714 290680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 
 it was
< 1305377723 673967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there we go, the implementation is on the wiki
< 1305377989 844954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so, how horrible is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:DownRight#Implementation_in_haskell
< 1305378730 813980 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the idiomatic way to split away the first element of a Seq is to use the left view function and pattern match
< 1305378745 662822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does that work
< 1305378758 786234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the view thigy I mean
< 1305378859 899517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingy*
< 1305378904 318828 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :case viewl queue of EmptyL -> pos; instr <| newqueue -> ...
< 1305378929 843468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aha
< 1305378946 41065 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can use where clauses in a case match, no need for let ... in ...
< 1305378970 786171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anything wrong with let?
< 1305378977 833473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, let looks neater than where to me
< 1305378988 625889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe because I'm used to reading programs from the top going down
< 1305379015 697408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, same reason I dislike perl's reversed if I guess
< 1305379017 355205 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok although you get less indentation with where
< 1305379043 424155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it isn't going past 100 columns, I have no issue with it
< 1305379058 514022 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to align the "in" with the "let" if you do that
< 1305379071 127860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah perhaps
< 1305379091 421765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I see I used two different ways a bit above
< 1305379113 454059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is the let style used in programToArray idiomatic (wrt indention)
< 1305379141 157690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably do the same in executeDownRight
< 1305379241 862009 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not that knowledgeable about haskell style
< 1305379301 462883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : case viewl queue of EmptyL -> pos; instr <| newqueue -> ...
< 1305379303 674034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, uh what
< 1305379306 601044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work
< 1305379312 167474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :downright.hs:66:9: Parse error in pattern
< 1305379317 700903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the instr <| newqueue stuff
< 1305379320 584717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when I do:
< 1305379324 274675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (Seq.<|) instr newqueue ->
< 1305379328 618896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is surely the same
< 1305379364 871221 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that ought to work
< 1305379386 270329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe some new feature in ghc 7?
< 1305379416 286152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewl docs says a :< (Seq a)	 leftmost element and the rest of the sequence
< 1305379417 452843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ^
< 1305379422 80489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that is what you ma
< 1305379423 672107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant*
< 1305379423 965305 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305379460 152112 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i misread the :browse output
< 1305379488 671280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'd like proper docs available in ghci, not just the type signature
< 1305379491 589918 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing, i think your parse will fail on a file containing only whitespace
< 1305379503 254015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure type signature + name tell you something, but far from everything
< 1305379507 312717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for IO stuff
< 1305379521 341524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is intended surely?
< 1305379534 785261 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't fail on empty file...
< 1305379535 294574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since leading whitespace on the first line isn't defined
< 1305379547 144964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, empty file does not have leading whitespace on the first line
< 1305379551 893253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a file with just whitespace does
< 1305379556 634704 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305379578 809000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is "heh" about that
< 1305379581 976140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is obvious
< 1305379610 112465 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't you have haddock documentation, my installation of the haskell platform includes that
< 1305379627 643471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I installed ghc from my distro package manager
< 1305379633 422156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ghc 6.12.1 btw
< 1305379665 596272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but if it involves anything more complicated than say :h foo in ghci it really isn't that helpful
< 1305379667 485290 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes generated html from haddock
< 1305379675 709710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, means I need to start a browser
< 1305379680 638245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconvenient most of the time
< 1305379684 316490 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1305379694 388863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I often don't run X until I actually need it
< 1305379695 517016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1305379707 912972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and console browsers leave something to be desired
< 1305379722 355791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, come on, even python has help from the REPL
< 1305379733 505162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and erlang has it from the command line, proper man pages
< 1305379739 580049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper man pages would work too
< 1305379747 539741 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what other formats haddock can generate, but you can always read the source files if you download them
< 1305379752 366449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erl -man some_module
< 1305379776 21924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, perl has perldoc, perfectly readable in a terminal
< 1305379809 978668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well how does one run haddock? haddock Data.Sequence?
< 1305379823 23580 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: listen i have no idea how the haskell platform is set up on linux
< 1305379827 195282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305379845 255438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't think this is the platform, this system surely predates that "batteries included" stuff
< 1305379855 582672 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think usually one runs a cabal command to generate the haddock as well
< 1305379894 60216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ man cabal
< 1305379894 144447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :No manual entry for cabal
< 1305379896 49396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a failure
< 1305379919 60430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but again that is html docs
< 1305379927 898736 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i will speak no more of this, since i don't know the answer and you are starting to irritate me
< 1305379928 413814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :html docs are just annoying
< 1305379944 250474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure, anyway, will upload viewl based version
< 1305379950 522376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does indeed make things cleaner
< 1305380050 62807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1305381893 229322 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus garfield seems to be taking a dark turn
< 1305381899 568814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh?
< 1305381940 812136 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the last two ones
< 1305381956 533069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm will soon
< 1305382258 727626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305382347 299812 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
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< 1305382847 316917 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305383178 473005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invented "lesser of two evils"?
< 1305383616 768154 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that the wikipedia article doesn't say anything about the etymology
< 1305383645 25372 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being mostly about the "lesser of two evils" in politics
< 1305383661 228403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I looked.
< 1305383751 466934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know who invented it, who is commonly associated with this quotation?
< 1305383778 709676 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be much of a _quotation_, just a phrase
< 1305384051 143242 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to google '"lesser of two evils" dictionary etymology' doesn't seem to give anything about that phrase itself
< 1305384061 138882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea to invent a new hypothetical kind of node in TeX. It consists of a list of pairs of numbers and node lists. It will select whichever node list, to be included into the current list, which results in the fewest demerits (or least badness+penalty for vertical lists). The numbers are the extra demerits (or penalties for vertical lists) to be added if that one is selected.
< 1305384116 842051 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many uses for this can you think of?
< 1305384210 338202 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1305384669 881619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :More ADOM challenges:
< 1305384740 130613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Eternium Man: As Eternium Man, but pick pockets and companions are not allowed. If you start with a companion or read a scroll of familiar summoning you must attack them at first to kill them as much as and as soon as possible.
< 1305384763 262630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Restricted Eternium Man: As Restricted Eternium Man, but it is not allowed to wish for anything. You must leave any wish you receive blank.
< 1305384936 994148 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Plutonium Man: As Plutonium Man, but after background corruption is stopped, everything else done after that doesn't count.
< 1305385028 67758 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pray Game: You must use the pray command every time immediately after using a upstairs or downstairs command.
< 1305385055 447075 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted Pray Game: As Pray Game, but no sacrificing on altars is permitted.
< 1305385070 973531 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305385201 812250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unluck Game: Immediately save the game and then change the name of your character in the save file, wrecking the checksum and making you run out of luck.
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< 1305386682 177200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convenience does not mean ease of use!
< 1305386839 166508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG the Nigerian Finance Minister is back.
< 1305387090 537546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/hb8v9/reading_reddit_may_have_just_saved_my_life/
< 1305387093 508807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT AT WHAT COST
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< 1305390627 719597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : OMG the Nigerian Finance Minister is back. <-- in a rather painful way too
< 1305390634 262944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comic made me go "augh"
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< 1305395189 816136 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schizoaffective programmer Michael Crawford says  "I can work effectively even when I'm wigging, even when I'm hallucinating, even when I'm severely depressed." He later expanded on this:     And by wigging, I meant that I could develop software while severely paranoid. I've spent a lot of productive hours at the office, laboring at my computer, while trying to avoid thinking of the fact that a Nazi armoured division was holding m
< 1305395190 49094 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aneuvers in the parking lot.
< 1305395217 299890 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.tesser.org/2011/5/12/mental-illness-and-startups
< 1305396725 523737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome: Stop losing my cookies every time I close you
< 1305397299 271156 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, hi
< 1305397306 95382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1305397306 177385 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you doing?
< 1305397308 496542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
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< 1305399564 503244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Numb3rs ­— IRC is Drug Dealing Boats in the Ocean" — http://www.cracked.com/article_19160_8-scenes-that-prove-hollywood-doesnt-get-technology_p2.html
< 1305399578 260236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, guys, let's get a boat and deal some drugs on it!
< 1305399584 855795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, Plazma is still here.
< 1305399588 500800 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1305399594 977013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone hide the drugs again.
< 1305399711 400991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I implemented ↓→ in haskell btw, you might want to check talk page on wiki for it
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< 1305399724 602495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case you haven't already seen it)
< 1305399728 141280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will at some point
< 1305399730 462343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost scared to look.
< 1305399736 204465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that downright impls are all that interesting, it's quite a simple language
< 1305399744 122909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm certain it could be better in some ways
< 1305399755 805526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe you've actually written code worse than Shiro.
< 1305399757 267122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible.
< 1305399758 245307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Keymaker beat me to it btw, making one in python
< 1305399761 708043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh
< 1305399772 480539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is pretty much parsec + pure haskell + main
< 1305399773 107213 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol
< 1305399775 789949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that nearly all Haskell code is bad
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< 1305399777 736516 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on-line names!
< 1305399780 468678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why
< 1305399782 589229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it isn't?
< 1305399784 559260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is wrong with haskell
< 1305399792 542541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, Haskell can be written well
< 1305399797 71757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think, most people who write it write it badly
< 1305399798 563482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I do
< 1305399804 71981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK for a start...
< 1305399807 754023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downrightFile = (sepEndBy1 line eol) <|> (eof >> return [])
< 1305399814 422239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could JUST OMIT THE ONE and avoid that <|> thing.
< 1305399833 236575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, nope
< 1305399835 930385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yep.
< 1305399848 812510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no that one would allow a file with whitespace
< 1305399851 451190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't valid
< 1305399855 376568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305399857 274260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, an empty file is valid
< 1305399866 331714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, is 0 coprime with 0?
< 1305399866 481387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would not allow that.
< 1305399872 719992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematically?
< 1305399880 83260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, downrightFile is kind of awful because it's inconsistent.
< 1305399881 907240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I implement the extension that they don't need to be coprime
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< 1305399893 153507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah, OK
< 1305399894 542385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that... doesn't even make *sense*.
< 1305399896 406095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By extension do you mean "I was too lazy to implement the language"?
< 1305399904 631474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: agreed
< 1305399905 326457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a file with just whitespace *has leading whitespace on the first line*, which is undefined
< 1305399910 466968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes :P
< 1305399916 606229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK well your use of Parsec is awful but I'll ignore it for now.
< 1305399920 960143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filterDownRight = map (map (filter (`elem` "↓→")))
< 1305399925 257952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus CHRIST learn to use dollar.
< 1305399927 929951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: philosophical question: if the file is just whitespace, is it leading whitespace or trailing whitespace?
< 1305399933 150170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good one
< 1305399938 628627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, map (map (...))?
< 1305399946 191100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a 2D map?
< 1305399947 126063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I vote for left associative whitespace, thus making it leading
< 1305399949 973874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is
< 1305399961 857823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I guess so
< 1305399965 137573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some better way
< 1305399970 236453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is Prelude.Map btw
< 1305399971 588105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1305399972 28054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's OK, just surprising
< 1305399973 909678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude.map
< 1305399981 101253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: map . map $ filter (`elem` "↓→")
< 1305399989 117720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, right
< 1305399995 819056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,  but that just saves some ()
< 1305400004 509603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen :: [[a]] -> Bool
< 1305400004 714752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen [] = True
< 1305400004 796217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen (x:xs) =
< 1305400006 680268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the point...
< 1305400009 652950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, GHC can optimise that, you know.
< 1305400016 211535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For second, jesus christ use where clauses.
< 1305400017 491240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, optimise what?
< 1305400024 62985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your pointless binding of length x.
< 1305400035 421518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in goes on the line of the expression, not on the last line of bindings.
< 1305400038 116016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, I think that made the code clearer?
< 1305400040 979966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OCaml doesn't have where clauses as far as I know
< 1305400042 298981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...no?
< 1305400048 614146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, meh okay
< 1305400049 12358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkLen (x:xs) = all (\y -> length y == length x) xs
< 1305400049 220214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've got into the habit of writing code without them
< 1305400055 19773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and why where clauses
< 1305400056 424554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not too bad, normally just a line or two longer
< 1305400056 506669 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : err, is 0 coprime with 0? <-- intuitively not, they have common divisors other than 1
< 1305400057 330626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's just a flaw of OCaml.
< 1305400060 253884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because that's ugly.
< 1305400065 745088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read code from top to bottom, not jumping around
< 1305400066 493853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in every number in existence?
< 1305400069 692440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good point
< 1305400073 741272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why I dislike perl's reverse if too
< 1305400087 510007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I more or less read Haskell right to left
< 1305400089 516416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, well, I'm trying to help you be a better Haskell programmer, so maybe: no?
< 1305400101 885044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay I guess where clause is more idiomatic then
< 1305400106 856072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it depends on what the code actually is
< 1305400107 574570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but why is it more idiomatic
< 1305400117 925914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm used to let in scheme too
< 1305400118 778854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because your code doesn't read smoothly.
< 1305400119 159873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm
< 1305400133 990532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would you argue scheme code doesn't read smoothly either?
< 1305400139 617948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is not Haskell.
< 1305400143 378677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1305400167 339463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the construct let is pretty much the same in both, give or take some parens and the in keyword
< 1305400171 86871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this Second Life chase scene is the funniest thing ever.
< 1305400177 230591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, link?
< 1305400181 708549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean most ludicrously stupid.
< 1305400187 215369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1305400188 199837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programToArray :: [[String]] -> Array (Int,Int) String
< 1305400188 441892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programToArray p@(x:xs) = listArray ((0,0), (h,w)) $ concat p
< 1305400209 366276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, right, I guess I should use the @ thing more yes
< 1305400217 490616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there are a few other places where it would be a good idea
< 1305400219 279356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"executeDownRight" -- Haskell has modules, just "execute" is fine.
< 1305400226 997898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://www.cracked.com/article_19160_8-scenes-that-prove-hollywood-doesnt-get-technology_p2.html
< 1305400234 635191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also has IRC drug boats.
< 1305400244 163993 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: as in every number in existence? <-- if you interpret the g in gcd in the division lattice sense, then gcd 0 0 is clearly 0
< 1305400244 977927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of your argument names are a bit overly long and make the code less scannable, but whatever, it's not a huge deal.
< 1305400253 111016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, but with :load it doesn't work that neatly :(
< 1305400259 37831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh?
< 1305400266 663554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For a start, use inferior-haskell, dude.
< 1305400268 879335 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 is the top lattice element
< 1305400271 813780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking more along the lines that 0 is a multiple of every prime
< 1305400274 323605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c C-l C-x o ;; REPL
< 1305400276 164478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has an infinite number of prime factors
< 1305400291 32523 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well that's equivalent (well also every prime power)
< 1305400294 885907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was using nano for no obvious reason for this, but okay
< 1305400301 992511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're indenting case statement bodies by five. wtf.
< 1305400308 581943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :load and :m in ghci seems to load into the "top" scope or whatever you call it
< 1305400313 232507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually your indentation is a bit too large in general IMO, but whatever; but five? wat.
< 1305400314 975345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a mistake
< 1305400320 139663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is so not a mistake.
< 1305400325 414088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure it should be 4
< 1305400328 484700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1305400335 422697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:  elliott, :load and :m in ghci seems to load into the "top" scope or whatever you call it
< 1305400343 185950 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i guess my advice to use <$> to avoid elliott shouting at you wouldn't have helped anyway (he shouts regardless :D)
< 1305400349 652521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, you don't have a module declaration, so it's in the Main module. This is correct since it's a self-contained program.
< 1305400357 145223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a second, that's desirable behaviour.
< 1305400376 588264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing a downright impl, you want to be able to test the functions quickly, so why type DownRight all the time?
< 1305400379 117930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1305400383 695805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE MY MESSAGES BEING THROTTLED
< 1305400387 371488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS SHIT IS GETTING DROPPED
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< 1305400415 603164 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: incidentally did you know that the first version of haskell didn't even _have_ let? (there are haskell 1 programs using let as an ordinary variable)
< 1305400418 153266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/AVWU
< 1305400420 964670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of this might have been dropped.
< 1305400431 129294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305400441 283511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no I wasn't aware
< 1305400450 201691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downRightInteract :: String -> String
< 1305400450 369743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downRightInteract input =
< 1305400450 451940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case downRight input of
< 1305400450 452009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ParseErr err -> "Parse error: " ++ show err ++ "\n"
< 1305400450 452053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         Error err -> "Error: " ++ err ++ "\n"
< 1305400450 691716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         FinalPos pos -> "Halted at " ++ show pos ++ "\n"
< 1305400453 289698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an ugly use of interact.
< 1305400462 702154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mm okay
< 1305400477 16177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually so is the unification of parsing and running into that weird DownRightReturn thing IMO
< 1305400491 36147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was a bit annoyed at not being able to construct ParseError myself, otherwise I would have used Either
< 1305400499 962075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I can construct them I have no clue how
< 1305400500 161788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Construct ParseError myself"?
< 1305400507 913753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do?
< 1305400521 442130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, you can't have Either ParseError ErrorMessageOfMyOwn Result
< 1305400529 812734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305400537 296432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what?
< 1305400559 981975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK well I'll ignore that what you're saying is incoherent to nitpick other things for now.
< 1305400566 604398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (Seq.:<) instr newqueue ->
< 1305400571 747071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instr Seq.:< newqueue ->
< 1305400583 634029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay, that looks ugly though
< 1305400593 221944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always import (:<) so you could do
< 1305400597 364391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instr :< newqueue ->
< 1305400618 181776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes sure, but meh
< 1305400624 273263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway that operator looks rather silly
< 1305400632 715917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too much like a smiley
< 1305400634 646488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unrelated nitpick: "-- Released in public domain in countries where that is applicable." ;; Suggest WTFPL since this currently reserves all rights in countries where PD is inapplicable.)
< 1305400652 118084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: : has to be used, since otherwise it wouldn't be a valid constructor name.
< 1305400667 364814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good idea, I'd do it as BSD 2 clause except that they I couldn't put it on the wiki
< 1305400702 152111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway convert the wiki to WTFPL instead of public domain and I'll change it
< 1305400706 415613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the module that exports ParseError also exports functions that create them
< 1305400713 76753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, the wiki is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/.
< 1305400718 503736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, huh, must have missed the docs
< 1305400719 577707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just license it under that.
< 1305400725 627358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the WTFPL probably works quite badly in some countries
< 1305400728 820848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, "Available as described at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/"
< 1305400729 760816 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, so that is not the same as plain public domain?
< 1305400738 688435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Name of "checkLen" is wrong; avoid verbs.
< 1305400745 473494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that page:
< 1305400746 981448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC-PD is much more complex than many licenses, because making something truly PD or equivalent is really hard
< 1305400747 266164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Creative Commons has retired this legal tool and does not recommend that it be applied to works."
< 1305400749 347896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1305400757 969418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be five lines
< 1305400758 926339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it isn't checking the "length", it's checking the list for a certain property.
< 1305400762 371357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it expanded to something like ten paragraphs
< 1305400764 418812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest validProgram.
< 1305400777 877581 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's see if I can consistently make my bot crash.
< 1305400785 156929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it contracted again, by the look of it
< 1305400787 527021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is arguably related to length but sure
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< 1305400835 98874 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we need is a license that gives the right to kill any lawyers that claim the work isn't public domain
< 1305400851 30007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays they've invented CC0
< 1305400869 60323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the difference?
< 1305400883 537362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 0 has no sugar and twenty five percent less calories
< 1305400892 863656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .D
< 1305400894 82499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D*
< 1305400910 352621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 attempts to work in every jurisdiction in the world, not just the US
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< 1305400940 391740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so we should probably shift to it, or shift to something else entierly
< 1305400944 582514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :filterDownRight is also badly named; I'd suggest "clean" or something.
< 1305400947 704117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is tricky in practise however
< 1305400955 676402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm
< 1305400967 602610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clean" is pretty vague, but the previous name is vaguer.
< 1305400970 359079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or filter, and then I use Prelude.filter in it, for maximum confusion
< 1305400980 312399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, filter shadows Prelude, which is unforgivable :)
< 1305400987 570922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as vagueness goes, you can't fit a function's definition into its name, anyway.)
< 1305400989 872849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OR CAN YOU??????)
< 1305401005 824482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey, Data.Sequence gets away with shadowing Prelude
< 1305401006 493309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1305401012 399219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Data structures can.
< 1305401016 422568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're meant to import them qualified.
< 1305401020 860620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay
< 1305401025 577281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for consistent naming, e.g. filter vs. Map.filter
< 1305401053 790265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (As far as vagueness goes, you can't fit a function's definition into its name, anyway.) <-- and that is why haskell needs man page docs for modules, or even better, something like the built in help() in python REPL
< 1305401059 944426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like html based docs
< 1305401080 155905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I have to start X. Console based web browsers leaves a lot to be desired.
< 1305401099 78453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "and that is why haskell needs" Rephrase this in a way that doesn't blame the Haskell community for your personal dislike :P
< 1305401104 177813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w[three]m works fine on Haddock docs.
< 1305401108 792482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Haddock can also generate pdfs iirc
< 1305401121 590631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tried pdf outside X any time?
< 1305401127 351233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you can print them.
< 1305401133 745979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway something as integrated as :t would be ideal
< 1305401143 354960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think haskell-mode has something.
< 1305401147 576110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1305401190 195226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, w3m /usr/local/share/doc/parsec-3.1.1/html/index.html works great.
< 1305401232 577186 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :okoko | The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
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< 1305401234 300110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still somewhat more work compared to help() in python (which I have to say is one of the few truly great things with python)
< 1305401234 748890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, I seem to not have Prelude documentation on this system :(
< 1305401243 998603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I like that topic
< 1305401246 213287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, w3m /usr/local/share/doc/parsec-3.1.1/html/index.html works great.  Uh oh, I seem to not have Prelude documentation on this system :(
< 1305401250 844329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hitting a key-combo in Emacs is zero effort.
< 1305401251 407103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P
< 1305401259 29237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that's because I installed my own GHC.
< 1305401260 944688 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you.
< 1305401262 847524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the binary package since I'm lazy.)
< 1305401264 372857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vim users wouldn't agree
< 1305401264 708490 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed it to repel tswettbots.
< 1305401279 37472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bit repels the tswettbot?
< 1305401280 705695 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tswettbot cannot set foot in this channel and expect to live.  Observe.
< 1305401286 215027 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a secret.
< 1305401292 250370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
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< 1305401325 290662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What about vim users?
< 1305401327 236388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what is the point of this?
< 1305401334 410501 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my bot.
< 1305401337 101195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use Emacs; therefore what is relevant is Emacs ways to accomplish tasks.
< 1305401341 834964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they don't agree with " Vorpal: Hitting a key-combo in Emacs is zero effort."
< 1305401353 235893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'm using nano more and more these days
< 1305401358 567791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't use nano for Haskell.
< 1305401360 743818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and µemacs quite a bit too
< 1305401373 314684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clearly unforgivably bad with indentation.
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< 1305401384 437685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nano, yeah
< 1305401392 871440 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :opoko | The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305401401 158263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1305401453 295806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I know what is wrong with your bot. You made it quit on seeing "okoko" in the topic
< 1305401457 687498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305401506 436421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : C-c C-l C-x o ;; REPL
< 1305401514 132662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider that a bit too long btw
< 1305401540 473915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c (two) C-l (four) C-x (six) o (Assuming you count Ctrl as separate which is silly)
< 1305401546 720345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with Alt-Tab, :, ...
< 1305401569 195437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't like alt-tab,  because it doesn't work well with more than 3-4 programs open
< 1305401573 348104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, instead of "newblah", say "blah'".
< 1305401573 934230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C-c (two) C-l (three) C-c (four) o ;; REPL
< 1305401594 936504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it is not quite as bad due to not moving one of the keys, just repeating the same one
< 1305401604 881041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah good idea
< 1305401695 417286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a clean-up of the code, FWIW
< 1305401714 912896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving the Parsec parts alone because I'm lazy
< 1305401760 840296 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i already suggested filter (not . null) . map words . lines  :)
< 1305401778 499026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that probably /is/ better than Parsec here
< 1305401781 252809 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :opokoko | The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305401782 961649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unclear on just how little "syntax" there was
< 1305401793 675670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, that probably /is/ better than Parsec here <-- you convinced me
< 1305401798 330457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have used that otherwise
< 1305401798 759194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your fault ;)
< 1305401802 698054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no your
< 1305401803 312971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to allow \n, \f, and \v as line separators
< 1305401806 375731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I trusted you
< 1305401807 235763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not /that/ overkill really
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< 1305401812 236199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh \f and \v too
< 1305401814 590838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, \n(whitespace)\n is just the one line separator
< 1305401815 694005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I'll fix it
< 1305401816 583124 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305401829 763279 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lines "test\nhi\fho\vthere"
< 1305401830 427369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["test","hi\fho\vthere"]
< 1305401848 11672 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic transit gloria mundi :(
< 1305401852 792043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'll fix some of the points
< 1305401859 216724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upload a new one
< 1305401870 815573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd wait until I finish this cleanup :P
< 1305401880 713731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can wait
< 1305401888 926506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Eh?
< 1305401891 232634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src lines
< 1305401891 360842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I am sorry.
< 1305401894 571746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr lambdabot
< 1305401896 252751 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chunks
< 1305401896 902082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `chunks'
< 1305401899 74021 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chunk
< 1305401899 713196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `chunk'
< 1305401903 505597 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305401918 94971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it should be:
< 1305401920 306498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let ....
< 1305401923 958441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ...?
< 1305401926 666266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how
< 1305401933 223512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Too busy finishing off this tweak to answer.
< 1305401941 838905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I'll leave it in place then
< 1305401963 904874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I *am* going to upload it over it there
< 1305401969 706352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305401999 216100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can of course make it in a new section, but on a talk page it would be wrong to overwrite what someone else said, especially since it is signed as me
< 1305402006 927450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be moved to the non-talk page then
< 1305402019 469501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the fuck did I ever say I was going to overwrite ... what?
< 1305402022 674771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about.
< 1305402025 745270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I misunderstood then
< 1305402034 197607 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305402048 935725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you sure are being hostile to someone cleaning up your code to try and help you become a better Haskell programmer.
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< 1305402075 630548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, I'm not, I'm just asking that you explain it instead so I can fix it, I'll learn more that way
< 1305402099 962494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So you can't compare two pieces of code side by side?
< 1305402114 969021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe
< 1305402119 532809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaning up people's code is a standard practice in #haskell.
< 1305402124 958495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1305402204 306083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t break
< 1305402205 55036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> ([a], [a])
< 1305402211 43344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gah what /is/ the function lines/words is based on?
< 1305402212 99523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh btw y and x have weird numbering ordering there, I'm surprised you didn't discover it.
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< 1305402236 209717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the reason is of course that array's fromList didn't do it the way I expected
< 1305402253 569976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thus x is vertical and y horizontal
< 1305402256 771776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that was easier
< 1305402265 965478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at that point)
< 1305402273 214912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not bothering to look at the actual algorithms.
< 1305402277 72531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these improvements are structural.
< 1305402278 234968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go over and rename the thing
< 1305402284 429746 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there wasn't a generic version of those when they were added, there might still not be in the standard library
< 1305402294 860127 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :words = split . dropBlanks . dropDelims . whenElt
< 1305402297 888975 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines = split . dropFinalBlank . dropDelims . whenElt
< 1305402304 4358 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/split/0.1.4/doc/html/Data-List-Split.html
< 1305402306 826223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t whenElt
< 1305402307 439197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `whenElt'
< 1305402313 368512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is whenElt?
< 1305402317 770848 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is however a package ... yeah the one Deewiant mentioned
< 1305402327 474126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/src/Data-List.html#lines
< 1305402327 946027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305402344 956530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's a bit of a dependency for handling two more characters in one call :)
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< 1305402355 195875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, since \n[whitespace] counts as a break, maybe it's worthwhile
< 1305402356 802776 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of my default dependencies for almost everything
< 1305402364 608112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yeah, split is ubiquitous.
< 1305402369 92895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Haskell Platform counts as stdlib now :)
< 1305402371 895070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? You are dropping the parsec?
< 1305402377 345053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe.
< 1305402384 527614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on if oerjan's line can be tweaked into something correct without pain.
< 1305402393 66981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chunk
< 1305402393 458851 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in my .ghci along with monad-loops and maybe something else, I forget
< 1305402393 774663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `chunk'
< 1305402396 317130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1305402401 846428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well as long as it works on ghc 6 + parsec :P
< 1305402411 460564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have the Haskell Platform installed?
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< 1305402422 7088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know if ubuntu uses the haskell platform, I uses whatever is in the package manager
< 1305402425 895755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and safe
< 1305402429 777474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sudo apt-get install haskell-platform
< 1305402437 867597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't think so no
< 1305402443 242136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, do it.
< 1305402447 365940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had to install parsec for this
< 1305402455 11879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, meh, this think has a small hdd
< 1305402455 263353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you have is like gcc without libc. :p
< 1305402458 185972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's like...
< 1305402460 559745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc with half of libc.
< 1305402467 29898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haskell-platform isn't significantly larger than ghc.
< 1305402476 161069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I used that a fair number of times, having half a libc is a luxury!
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< 1305402487 67980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install it for chrissakes.
< 1305402517 735796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, when I was young we used to *dream* of having even a quarter of a libc!
< 1305402522 404225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wordsBy and linesBy seem useful in Data.List.Split.
< 1305402541 221905 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't used Data.List.Split himself
< 1305402542 222863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does that handle vertical tab and form feed correctly?
< 1305402552 490834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :         Right [] -> Error "Can't handle null program yet"
< 1305402554 21816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facepalm.
< 1305402561 100250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: STFU, they take predicates.
< 1305402590 549921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to take a break now to mercilessly mock today's log.
< 1305402607 978428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:39:50:  140,000 miles of testing on the streets of LA.
< 1305402608 154485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:39:53:  an AI knows not of how to react to the unknown
< 1305402611 58036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does a human.
< 1305402615 241888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:40:31:  say, hypothetically, the car is damaged without the AI noticing
< 1305402615 500763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:40:40:  would it drive on? yes.
< 1305402622 932396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're... assuming this thing has no "off" button for a human to hit?
< 1305402633 14465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:27:  no
< 1305402633 140161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:31:  the average numskull
< 1305402633 355471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:42:39:  reacts better to the unknown than an AI
< 1305402634 610292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA
< 1305402642 793626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:00:  pikhq_: OK
< 1305402643 39768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:09:  the car sets on fire
< 1305402643 120770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:43:29:  what happens?
< 1305402654 798865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person in it sits there mindlessly, unaware that it's on fire, and has no idea to push the off switch. Obviously.
< 1305402668 298988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:44:50:  I just wonder
< 1305402668 504147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:45:00:  How the AI reacts to certain scenarios
< 1305402668 586011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:45:09:  That could not have been forseen
< 1305402672 332135 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the person is made of straw
< 1305402677 681814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they can't be foreseen, then there's no way you can foresee them.
< 1305402685 885389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore every example you come up with is crap and your argument is baseless.
< 1305402700 395932 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really love it when people are wrong.  When someone says something that's wrong, I want people to tell me, so that I can know how wrong they are.
< 1305402701 594749 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305402707 631517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like to see a scenario which a human could easily deal with, but in an AI-based situation, the human would somehow have no idea how to press the stop button.
< 1305402709 177378 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't get it
< 1305402710 637181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Me too.
< 1305402719 361535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: How am I wrong?
< 1305402720 319618 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad example
< 1305402723 118127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:46:43:  Cool.
< 1305402723 361115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:47:10:  What happens when the AI makes a mistake.
< 1305402723 442180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:47:15:  AI isn't flawless.
< 1305402728 606841 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traffic scenario later on was better.
< 1305402728 892758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. What happens when the human makes a mistake. Human isn't flawles.
< 1305402746 901371 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The himan can learn from mistakes
< 1305402748 225027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :          Right [] -> Error "Can't handle null program yet" <-- I consider that a missing feature yes
< 1305402749 72189 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said the AI can@
< 1305402758 211899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:39:  ajf, it makes a mistake
< 1305402758 470686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:47:  If it makes less mistakes than human drivers, it's still successful
< 1305402758 552619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:55:  eh
< 1305402758 552725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:11:  inb4 lawsuits
< 1305402758 552768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memes as a substitute for argument: the movie: the game.
< 1305402766 12116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, be glad oerjan told me about viewl :P
< 1305402768 159521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:28:  Also
< 1305402768 298159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:42:  There's the risk that AI could be deployed with serious errors
< 1305402768 380001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:49:59:  Remember when that company made a cancer treatment device with a race condition?
< 1305402768 380160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:50:05:  And killed several people?
< 1305402768 380263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:50:07:  yeah.
< 1305402768 461945 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305402774 708353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's common, it will be found in testing.
< 1305402776 979238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1305402787 390495 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305402788 751468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, as previously mentioned, already happening.
< 1305402799 765408 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therac's race condition wasn't detected in testing.
< 1305402802 483356 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cancer thing only happened during a very specific scenario
< 1305402807 343747 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305402816 353270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Precisely.
< 1305402820 621805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the argument is... things have errors?
< 1305402833 772769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf still hasn't presented a scenario that isn't solvable by the human pressing a "stop immediately" button.
< 1305402844 166782 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we can take the outside view here.
< 1305402845 347676 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have one
< 1305402847 398536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :life critical devices should be formally verified always
< 1305402850 801397 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traffic light scenario
< 1305402858 423572 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, people's lives depend on computer programs.  How often do the programs fail and kill them?
< 1305402865 875086 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say the traffic lights are not working
< 1305402873 71534 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They display the wrong lights
< 1305402879 340291 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: anyway, I came into this discussion late.  May I ask what position you're arguing for?
< 1305402884 443537 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is a huge sign, in English, stating some instructions
< 1305402896 227770 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The driver, since AI is ubiquitous, cannot drive
< 1305402904 555894 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cannot follow those instructions
< 1305402908 196667 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is stranded
< 1305402921 54588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, so a weak AI  then?
< 1305402927 429475 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: apropos cancer, you know that doctors give cancer patients drugs with _severe_ side effects, and this is considered ok because if they didn't they'd be much more likely to _die_?  the argument for ais driving cars is _very_ analogous, except the side effects are probably far less
< 1305402929 615396 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I feel AI is no match for the human brain
< 1305402953 145027 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: okay.  What's the difference between AI and a human brain that makes AI worse?
< 1305402973 95506 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI can't necessarily adapt
< 1305402993 407682 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: is it possible that we might overcome that problem in the future?
< 1305402997 700489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deaths by AI failing to adapt may be less than deaths by human driver stupidity
< 1305403007 310739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this point has already been made.
< 1305403009 302505 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: doubt it
< 1305403010 710291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf hasn't responded to it though.
< 1305403028 332231 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My response to that is...
< 1305403029 751681 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what
< 1305403029 897891 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: why not?
< 1305403034 213359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the general public probably won't see it like that though
< 1305403065 330887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's even one death by failed computer driving, the public will react, and completely ignore the deaths by letting humans behind the wheel
< 1305403071 561247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1305403073 624497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: "So what"?
< 1305403085 135733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the AI results in less deaths than the human, how is the human preferable?
< 1305403092 664760 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't
< 1305403100 604508 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305403106 586079 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he/she isn't
< 1305403115 877411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then?
< 1305403119 480290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that "so what"?
< 1305403134 953842 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think AI would cause more problems in the long run
< 1305403143 187181 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More traffic issues, less deaths
< 1305403145 47892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a possible reason: driving yourself is fun.
< 1305403150 633576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I agree it is a good reason
< 1305403160 410751 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you ever studied persuasion?
< 1305403175 138551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Traffic jams sure are fun.
< 1305403186 229245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they are rare outside big cities
< 1305403194 391839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No; and no, I don't expect ajf to change his mind after this.
< 1305403198 797612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and even there, unless huge, they tend to clear quite quickly
< 1305403237 709269 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then I hope you're having fun.
< 1305403238 364094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I think elliott prefers a more straight forward approach of stating his opinion repeatedly. I guess he didn't get a good roll on the persuasion check
< 1305403246 526190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I sure am.
< 1305403253 128919 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent.
< 1305403272 258477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Having said that, I don't think I've actually seen you persuade anyone of anything here either. Although #esoteric is possibly a waste of such talent.
< 1305403292 681535 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, ignore what I said before. I really meant to say that I am concerned about how AI would react in the event of the unknown.
< 1305403310 886995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wish persuasion would be like in D&D... Rolling a die and making a check against that value
< 1305403317 570711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be so much easier
< 1305403322 102327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: I'm concerned about how humans react in the event of the unknown. As far as I can tell we're not qualified to drive cars.
< 1305403333 593199 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hmm
< 1305403336 345180 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what
< 1305403336 844042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty fucking dangerous.
< 1305403339 505844 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's probably true.  I don't think I try very often.
< 1305403353 162452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I got a six; you have to stop believing that now."
< 1305403363 282301 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up about humans being bad at driving
< 1305403368 755045 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minority dies
< 1305403373 126603 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the majority
< 1305403377 43351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it is 2d10 or such
< 1305403388 195852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: But it is incredibly relevant.
< 1305403394 112193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd feel more comfortable with 100% AI on the road than 1% AI
< 1305403396 1368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so probably 16 or something like that is more likely
< 1305403404 793577 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well
< 1305403406 707470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the idiot humans add major unpredictability
< 1305403409 69218 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another isue
< 1305403414 928835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: If AI driving kills less people than human driving, then AI driving is preferable.
< 1305403418 548412 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does an AI react to idiots?
< 1305403421 627825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And human driving kills/injures a SHITLOAD of people.
< 1305403429 885771 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I just realised something
< 1305403450 422471 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do if the driver can't drive, and needs to take over manual control of the car?
< 1305403472 54554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, surely you would still need a driving license
< 1305403472 141991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If human-driven cars were introduced today, I don't think they'd get off the ground
< 1305403479 713213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case things break down
< 1305403481 71965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1305403489 594561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, they have no wings, so yeah :P
< 1305403501 724009 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I fear for the future
< 1305403504 5053 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305403506 520690 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If AI becomes ubiquitous
< 1305403515 426568 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you DON'T need a license?
< 1305403524 604743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fearing for the future is a position ubiquitous throughout history.
< 1305403525 598024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305403530 236623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another position that is ubiquitous throughout history:
< 1305403534 233030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking the present is better than the past.
< 1305403545 888306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm what about nostalgia
< 1305403553 316925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The far past, then.
< 1305403553 627547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is PLENTY of that around
< 1305403555 526515 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads AI idiocy.
< 1305403564 47609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the past really is better (middle ages etc.)
< 1305403564 332994 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>implying pokemon black and white > red and blue
< 1305403566 601030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well okay
< 1305403570 207729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Hahahahaha
< 1305403576 926175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, FFS, the AI could kill 1000 people a year and it'd be an improvement.
< 1305403577 271096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Unfortunately you've become too stupid to actually be amusing any more, so I'm done here.
< 1305403595 300520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, but people'd be very ticked at it
< 1305403596 557383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I seem to remember it is less than that in Sweden per year
< 1305403596 639255 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: 1000 or 1000 more?
< 1305403601 438831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be outlawed
< 1305403609 196345 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true
< 1305403625 329642 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that can't be right.  Doesn't Heseod's "Works and Days" talk about how the past was really great, but over the centuries, things have gotten worse and worse?
< 1305403626 669640 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, this is because, as has been demonstrated, the majority of people are idiots.
< 1305403637 362929 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not idiots
< 1305403658 138107 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, 1000 people a year is *at least* two orders of magnitude less than what humans manage.
< 1305403659 986007 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be logical to blame AI for deaths resulting from AI-driven cars
< 1305403661 484143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it needs to be made 100% safe before it will gain major acceptance, even if 99% is a huge improvement
< 1305403676 520538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, only in a pure-AI setting
< 1305403680 617014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK, by "ubiquitous" I actually just meant "common".
< 1305403688 578109 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: eh
< 1305403694 586176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The status quo killing 10000 people is far better than new technology killing 1000 people, clearly. After all, the new thing is killing people [don't think about the lives it's saving]
< 1305403695 165226 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that sounds right.
< 1305403696 722040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was more a pithy remark than anything else since I'd given up on ajf at that point.
< 1305403707 466062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, otherwise you would have to deal with drunk drivers overtaking and hitting the AI cars on the side instead and what not
< 1305403717 256588 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1305403718 152311 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, "A 1985 report based on British and American crash data found driver error, intoxication and other human factors contribute wholly or partly to about 93% of crashes.[6]"
< 1305403735 767506 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprising
< 1305403735 990537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now really want a perfect driving AI that relies on killing, say, a hundred thousand people per year, and consuming their bodies, to run.
< 1305403736 781283 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 93% of crashes which AIs are not susceptible to.
< 1305403745 379484 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1305403752 429968 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1305403752 804892 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>error
< 1305403753 263787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, in a mixed setting it would be as now, require investigation to find who did it
< 1305403761 526575 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An AI could also make an error in judgement
< 1305403767 388853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the AI would probably have accurate logs
< 1305403775 953285 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's susceptible to others, but I highly doubt AI error could be larger than human.
< 1305403781 450527 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it has a Pentium I, but that's another matter
< 1305403785 273349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Are you saying that an AI would kill more people than human drivers?
< 1305403787 954198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes or no.
< 1305403798 994867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tswett: Shut up, I can't stop myself.)
< 1305403803 810083 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well
< 1305403812 335305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like crack, if crack was wasting your time on IRC.)
< 1305403832 296479 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know
< 1305403832 378570 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have only had small-scale trials
< 1305403843 774047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a competent human driver can survive dangerous situations that an AI can't... (then again, maybe AI can be progammed to try to survive those situations. How do you test it though?)
< 1305403844 586584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Yes but clearly you are making sweeping predictions already.
< 1305403852 857894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Do you think AI drivers, or human drivers, would result in more deaths?
< 1305403863 704366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1305403865 345707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Do you think AI drivers, or human drivers, would result in more deaths/injuries?
< 1305403866 96019 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends, really
< 1305403876 889044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick the most likely scenario in your mind
< 1305403886 234660 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans
< 1305403887 988702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's the case that 100% AI drivers result in 0 deaths, but a mixture of AI and human results in more deaths than human alone?
< 1305403896 826706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we convince everyone to switch to AI?
< 1305403905 270007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: So you think humans are more likely to result in more deaths/injuries?
< 1305403905 911122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1305403916 290404 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305403927 333944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you continue to argue that AI driving is a Very Bad Thing.
< 1305403935 359926 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305403936 486578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey remember how I give up?? I'm DOUBLE giving up.
< 1305403941 490464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Times-two give up combo.
< 1305403942 228258 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No because
< 1305403944 500963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flawless execution.
< 1305403951 49463 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305403957 194595 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human error is gradually reducing the idiotic population
< 1305403967 562198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think AI driving is a bad thing, because I think programmers detached from the action are typically more likely to be incomptent than humans whose own life is on the line
< 1305403991 793077 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, ok
< 1305403991 914043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why are you pinging someone who's just make a times-two give up combo.
< 1305403998 645669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is only going to annoy me.
< 1305403998 817449 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accept your argument, but
< 1305404003 901188 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new one
< 1305404005 372165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I think natural selection will take quite a while to make us good drivers...
< 1305404013 872672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: I hope everyone else enjoys it.
< 1305404029 136603 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catpad.net/michael/apl/
< 1305404033 58877 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a car crashes, and one car or both used AI
< 1305404035 417611 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i posted this before?
< 1305404036 559348 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is responsible?
< 1305404049 327581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, depends on the situation really
< 1305404051 265383 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The car manafacturer, or the driver?
< 1305404053 595119 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or nobody?
< 1305404056 851883 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure
< 1305404057 845736 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, you are
< 1305404057 926782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While we're at it, why don't we tear down hospitals, so as to gradually reduce the population of people who aren't more resistant to sickness?
< 1305404072 159922 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater79: Why?
< 1305404074 541334 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, just because your preconceived notions of blame don't adapt to this situation does not make it unworkable.
< 1305404077 735193 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My car was driving itself
< 1305404091 592168 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I never said it was
< 1305404099 813226 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering who you think would be "blamed"
< 1305404100 910843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, if it crashes due to a drunk loosing control over the car. Or what if it is driven outside parameters (warranty void if friction coefficient against road is less than x)
< 1305404106 837837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one is a joke)
< 1305404109 796661 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, if two other people crash, you are at fault.
< 1305404115 339293 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I don't think blame is a particularly useful concept.
< 1305404150 131834 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to sue somebody
< 1305404153 325564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the AI isn't to "blame", perhaps it could be adjusted to try to escape that sort of situation
< 1305404164 173888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, that sounds very american...
< 1305404173 216295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the AI is to blame, then there's clearly something wrong, and it needs to be adjusted
< 1305404183 486938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So blame is useful for that
< 1305404188 697637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does the AI need to be fixed"
< 1305404191 750426 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha
< 1305404197 545019 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone mis-tunes the code, due to negligence
< 1305404201 388775 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the problem is
< 1305404211 33968 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a computer programmer is accountable for someone's death
< 1305404225 297829 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, that, the public/media/fox news will react horribly in the first AI-related death
< 1305404226 702593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a patch can be issued, fixing the bug
< 1305404233 205349 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER, in situations where this happens, engineers usually have a long peer-review process applied
< 1305404236 124747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I agree, and that makes me feel sad
< 1305404238 876658 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COMPUTER KILLS HUMAN IN CAR CRASH"
< 1305404244 709186 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, I really should have judged you when you said it was impossible for something to contain itsle.
< 1305404247 313994 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers don't kill humans
< 1305404247 395970 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itself
< 1305404249 310954 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kill humans
< 1305404252 436631 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret not doing so.
< 1305404258 63142 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The sorry state of modern media also makes me feel sad
< 1305404262 274669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf, an advantage with this is that the AI will learn from mistakes globally. In that once a fix is released it will be applied everywhere
< 1305404270 5261 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True
< 1305404270 786404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: import Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec
< 1305404275 808691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Replace with import Text.Parsec.
< 1305404276 862609 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they have over-the-air updates
< 1305404284 435151 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... don't patch when running :P
< 1305404287 852785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, if a computer driver makes a mistake, it can't learn from its mistakes globally. They'll just be banned
< 1305404289 223723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I based that on Real world haskell example
< 1305404294 464291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess it is wrong then?
< 1305404298 22849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's Parsec two
< 1305404299 103804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before then
< 1305404301 530841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec is three
< 1305404304 980643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, I see
< 1305404314 611430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I only installed parsec 3, so why did that work then
< 1305404320 382320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Backwards compatibility layer
< 1305404323 548501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305404329 679900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything else needs changing?
< 1305404341 962768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yep
< 1305404346 895504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either `Main.Error', defined at downright.hs:31:45
< 1305404347 61298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          or `Text.Parsec.Error', imported from Text.Parsec at downright.hs:26:0-17
< 1305404347 651976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1305404351 731162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to rename it
< 1305404361 606260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.
< 1305404365 644868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Text.Parsec hiding (Error)
< 1305404368 841675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Text.Parsec as Parsec
< 1305404369 385276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good idea
< 1305404386 712505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the qualified one would be quite unwieldy though
< 1305404485 306831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you say \f and \v counted as line separators?
< 1305404502 323636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, any block of whitespace including \n, \f, or \v is a line separator
< 1305404509 522458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as oerjan understood it, \n\n would be collapsed to \n yeah
< 1305404519 330506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305404557 337937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm so eol = (many1 (oneOf "\n\v\f")) >> ws isn't really correct
< 1305404568 880071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to handle \n  \n   \n ?
< 1305404574 886602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305404577 941571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305404583 321439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish lambdabot had split so I could test the composition version oerjan did
< 1305404592 668733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't you test it locally?
< 1305404597 871015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci
< 1305404644 222174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay I'm at loss how to write that for parsec
< 1305404660 936185 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: many1 (oneof "\n\v\f" >> ws)
< 1305404675 433942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but i'm lazy
< 1305404676 772274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, wait, why would that work
< 1305404695 742646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was thinking this might, but I guess not: eol = (many1 (oneOf "\n\v\f")) >> ws >> eol
< 1305404719 990264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would with many instead of many 1
< 1305404722 363576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :many1*
< 1305404725 140045 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well that might too
< 1305404725 445664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second one
< 1305404753 431403 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um you want to ensure there's at least one actual \n\v\f to start with
< 1305404760 877635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed
< 1305404770 703860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but your version does that, right?
< 1305404782 801326 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305404822 476829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, BNF so damn easier :P
< 1305404831 671457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "  \n" count
< 1305404836 144953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no its not, you're just better at bnf
< 1305404840 469580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as what?
< 1305404844 361214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as a newline
< 1305404847 986146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 suggested so
< 1305404854 88559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to easily do "string of whitespace containing at least one \n\v\f" in BNF
< 1305404857 546296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but lines eat trailing ws
< 1305404863 439408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line = sepEndBy1 cell ws1
< 1305404865 235951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the rule is pretty simple
< 1305404877 614516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think about "trailing whitespace", etc, just look at the rule!
< 1305404878 682547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so that is not an issue
< 1305404954 546893 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um this way is easier with parsec, otherwise you end up needing backtracking
< 1305404964 723111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't figure out how to easily do "string of whitespace containing at least one \n\v\f" in BNF <-- seems easy enough to me, just define that there might be zero or more \s\t followed by at least one \n\v\f followed by zero or more \n\w\f\t\s
< 1305404968 927765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a newline
< 1305404969 586824 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try and stuff
< 1305404973 602344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can find data.list.split on to one line
< 1305404976 801154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah, that's pretty easy in Parsec too
< 1305404978 624756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can use it in lambdabot
< 1305404984 338419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just specify that directly
< 1305404990 670000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it seems the obvious way in BNF :P
< 1305405010 905476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't consider it simple?
< 1305405074 31241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know if it is just me, but I find it helps to think about BNF in the same mindset you use when thinking about regexp
< 1305405085 815290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same indeed, but they have similarities
< 1305405137 78415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surely you find writing regexp trivial?
< 1305405156 299082 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by letting every token you've got skip trailing whitespace, you increase the chance of your parser being LL(1), thus avoiding try and backtracking.  afaict.
< 1305405192 481851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah, didn't know that, useful
< 1305405218 163950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't it easier just to do it with every terminal or whatever
< 1305405230 106311 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i meant terminals
< 1305405271 43753 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lexeme parser is specifically for doing that automatically
< 1305405287 2620 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well semi-automatically
< 1305405291 746297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which lexeme parser?
< 1305405299 699032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it something that parsec has?
< 1305405302 192824 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305405315 301282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at it later, probably tomorrow
< 1305405330 834848 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it may be part of that expression parsing thing
< 1305405361 41745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is
< 1305405362 361090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks
< 1305405372 16429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of the languagedef stuff
< 1305405383 389451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not the expression stuff
< 1305405388 827975 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well adding a >> ws (or even better, <* ws) works too
< 1305405409 287844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still wants a language he can use to write esolang interpreters that other people won't yell at him for
< 1305405413 390596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, what does <* do?
< 1305405421 970751 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*)
< 1305405422 597615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f b -> f a
< 1305405437 156288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Common Lisp good or bad for that purpose?
< 1305405438 26134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Use an esolang, it's the only safe choice on this channel
< 1305405442 830875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, assume a type signature isn't enough for me sometimes
< 1305405449 320742 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's applicative, almost equivalent to >>, but returns the result of the _first_ argument
< 1305405466 346688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh right, so wait why does >> even work there
< 1305405476 977960 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well >> works if you don't need the result
< 1305405501 138296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the result is the same as the parsing state or different?
< 1305405523 422504 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the return value
< 1305405555 51419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so that isn't the same as the stuff going out of the parse call I guess
< 1305405555 771293 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is different from the parsing state, as usual for monads
< 1305405580 2406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305405587 89484 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's what you get inside the Right if the parse succeeds
< 1305405614 488587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305405813 582640 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you use Malbolge, no one will yell.  although they might scream in agony.
< 1305405860 109777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Falcon
< 1305405915 331147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, anyway, pretty much any other non-joke esolang would work
< 1305405999 462637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, if you don't like falcon you can try php or C++
< 1305406041 463233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, or do one which elliott doesn't understand
< 1305406046 853836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that will alaways work
< 1305406068 298137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language don't i understand
< 1305406074 743946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you tell me
< 1305406078 399571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, agda iirc?
< 1305406090 768540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can read agda, just not the stdlib :D
< 1305406094 557413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah
< 1305406100 106015 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, English.
< 1305406100 588899 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hello I was scrolled up 63 hours
< 1305406105 833319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, name one that you find completely incomprehensible then
< 1305406111 17453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, heh?
< 1305406115 94633 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1305406121 603371 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders roman numeral look and say
< 1305406126 562857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, you have some serious log reading to do
< 1305406139 516425 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely pay attention to this channel
< 1305406139 720159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know of one, apart from tons of esolangs and those probably for mostly syntactic reasons
< 1305406149 913425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, intercal?
< 1305406151 355468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J code takes me a while to decipher, K I'm not very good at reading at all
< 1305406154 687561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL I'm hopeless at
< 1305406157 858219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, INTERCAL code I can't read
< 1305406165 686550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL isn't too bad
< 1305406171 912139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there you go. INTERCAL, malbolge or APL
< 1305406172 10025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's been deliberately obfuscated
< 1305406173 75075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I can't read it.
< 1305406189 744686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most people would be shocked to learn that there's a difference between clean and obfuscated INTERCAL, but there is)
< 1305406199 57877 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305406203 529656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a K language?
< 1305406215 807405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some array one
< 1305406218 761440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like J
< 1305406227 118610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any letter of the alphabet that aren't names of languages?
< 1305406239 465683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :U is a pretty ugly letter
< 1305406240 499936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, which alphabet
< 1305406242 624439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it isn't a language
< 1305406258 310666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I don't think ÅÄÖØÆ are names of languages
< 1305406290 156474 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305406306 647981 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Å language
< 1305406308 898615 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, he means the real alphabet, not that watered-down Scandinavian crap.
< 1305406319 943459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nice
< 1305406324 445224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what sort of language
< 1305406335 194574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCDJKÅ, what else is used?
< 1305406351 18126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh R
< 1305406355 748973 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/100/
< 1305406365 832230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCDJKRÅ <-- what else
< 1305406373 911445 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1305406379 1933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305406386 471171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, which one is A then?
< 1305406392 147970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why do you even know this.
< 1305406395 89674 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, IIRC there were a few.
< 1305406396 940272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDJKRÅ
< 1305406397 22246 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305406408 747418 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z was a specification language wasn't it
< 1305406412 655329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, Dijkstra
< 1305406425 854700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E
< 1305406442 52675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, when is http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/100/, I can find no date
< 1305406446 992399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 1997 or earlier
< 1305406450 651839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFGLMST off the top of my head
< 1305406454 390635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCDEJKMQRSTZ
< 1305406456 334812 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I googled it
< 1305406456 552635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the ones I know.
< 1305406469 953515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1305406472 477295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is C predecessor, C is C, D is D, E is erights, J is APLalike, K is APLalike, M is MUMPS,
< 1305406475 800112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of KMQSTZ
< 1305406476 733932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is term rewriting predecessor to Pure,
< 1305406478 270748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is statistics,
< 1305406481 691423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is statistics language R is based on,
< 1305406483 589576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is Scheme dialect,
< 1305406487 73008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z is Dijkstra speclang
< 1305406508 668005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of MUMPS
< 1305406515 570249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as M though
< 1305406525 272101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have BCDEJKMQRSTZÅ, what about A that Phantom__Hoover mentioned?
< 1305406537 428156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an M by Microsoft that isn't MUMPS
< 1305406549 941058 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :V is an esolang
< 1305406567 666286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A?)BCDEJKMQRSTVZÅ
< 1305406578 14260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, BCDEJKMQRSTVZ so far
< 1305406579 441226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leaves...
< 1305406594 223526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" \\ "BCDEJKMQRSTVZ"
< 1305406594 912378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "AFGHILNOPUWXY"
< 1305406596 385413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, mentioned an A
< 1305406603 914523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^
< 1305406605 297713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an F-sharp but no F that I know of
< 1305406611 998114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but he has no substantiated his claim.
< 1305406614 496160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's A++ but I know of no A.
< 1305406615 144708 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :F is a Fortran dialect, G and L are something I can't remember but I'm pretty sure they exist
< 1305406616 976681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305406628 175755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So BCDEFJKMQRSTVZ
< 1305406633 356296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of a G too, but I'll be conservative about this
< 1305406662 154266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think I heard of a P somewhere, can't remember any details
< 1305406677 622078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is P'' of course, but that is different
< 1305406705 113035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you keep leaving out the Å? :(
< 1305406713 663344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Å in't part of the alphabet.
< 1305406715 763193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't.
< 1305406717 955272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is!
< 1305406721 603944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not including languages named pi either.
< 1305406725 827207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305406745 919763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,  better way to phrase it: by unicode codepoint
< 1305406834 133121 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305406835 404047 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, A programming language?
< 1305406848 491157 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dur
< 1305406880 437185 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305406884 478714 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there's one programming language called A.
< 1305406931 463808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language's name is A Programming Language, or APL.
< 1305406933 26652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not A.
< 1305406954 409016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, different A perhaps
< 1305406962 83785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1305406980 157933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, I'm fairly sure cheater79 is too much of an idiot not to take the obvious, wrong answer.
< 1305406996 88795 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no u.
< 1305407011 582344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? Oh I have him on ignore
< 1305407016 38787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought you did
< 1305407059 579501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can assure you that ignoring him is well worth the work
< 1305407066 256833 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PART #esoteric :"I found 1 in /dev/zero"
< 1305407071 684455 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305407114 39926 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1305407150 603135 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305407158 325856 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:03:31:  elliott, huh? Oh I have him on ignore
< 1305407160 313954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:03:36:  elliott, I thought you did
< 1305407162 314867 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04:19:  elliott, I can assure you that ignoring him is well worth the work
< 1305407162 748674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305407164 311382 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new installation.
< 1305407188 401390 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying out the "not ignoring cheater" thing in the hopes that since I'm one of like only three people who don't have him on ignore maybe it'll be fun
< 1305407191 207316 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie
< 1305407197 154844 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually just too lazy to get an exclamation mark, asterisk and at sign
< 1305407461 240488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, XD
< 1305407482 97783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and too lazy to copy it from the /whois output
< 1305407505 155415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh and too lazy to get a fixed laptop too?
< 1305407519 497389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how long does your warranty last
< 1305407542 920493 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year i guess
< 1305407565 869988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305407568 862439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, not much
< 1305407613 311348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the office chair I'm sitting on atm comes with a 10 year warranty (reduced to 8 years if used in a 24/7 environment)
< 1305407614 176233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1305407621 190429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, not electronics but still
< 1305408136 746490 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305408282 189283 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305408317 347852 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305408446 284852 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
< 1305408539 921482 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
< 1305408543 290145 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​418)  I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
< 1305408571 557815 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confirms that roman numeral look and say has no useful atoms in the usual l.a.s. sense
< 1305408623 370572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that make it more interesting? atoms tend to block TCness
< 1305408671 45090 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i'm pretty sure it just needs a little tweaking
< 1305408688 95123 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a bit more interesting of course, which is why i checked it
< 1305408747 376815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IV, VI, VI, VI, ...
< 1305408749 787679 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: very boring indeed
< 1305408757 89888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you don't "normalise" them...
< 1305408765 504148 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1305408783 450674 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305408784 555888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII = IV, IIIV = VI
< 1305408787 426414 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVII = VI
< 1305408789 17243 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVII = VI
< 1305408789 498307 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1305408790 340168 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1305408794 489840 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i don't
< 1305408800 874416 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]No?
< 1305408836 499484 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII
< 1305408841 370995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII
< 1305408841 618231 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, IVIIVIIII
< 1305408847 673160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305408850 233905 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mistake did i make
< 1305408852 454503 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305408853 375140 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :miscounted
< 1305408862 583117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that we all went to the same length, and  finished at much the same time
< 1305408868 145461 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII, IVIIIIVIVI
< 1305408878 148683 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1305408882 538295 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, II, III, IIII, IVI, IIIVII, IIIIIVIII, VIIVIIII, IVIIIIVIVI, IIIVIVIIVIIIVII
< 1305408893 637283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always just I and V?
< 1305408894 369214 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it ever use non-I, non-V letters, I wonder
< 1305408897 105119 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D
< 1305408897 204896 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have no atom boundaries because every sequence fluctuates between starting with I and V
< 1305408902 506709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that's going to be quite easy to prove
< 1305408904 214481 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it always just I and V?
< 1305408904 445436 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does it ever use non-I, non-V letters, I wonder
< 1305408919 830095 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, you can have no more than 7 in a block
< 1305408945 668231 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which follows because the _numerals_ never have more than 3 consecutive
< 1305408970 969871 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact you can only have 6 I's and 2 V's after a while
< 1305409011 849293 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at most)
< 1305409021 311916 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you used V as a separator of digit/count? :-D
< 1305409029 960973 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, IVI, IVIIVIIVI
< 1305409053 434078 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, IVI, IVIIVIIVI, IVIIVVIIVIIVIIIVIIVIIVI
< 1305409062 863170 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell a pattern
< 1305409072 747454 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305409072 975367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you used I as the separator ;D
< 1305409088 992168 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, III, IIIII, VII
< 1305409096 301318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIVIIIV
< 1305409107 66708 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can use any sequence of strings as the numerals to get an analoguous sequence
< 1305409125 918540 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305409126 823803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's
< 1305409136 238847 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :II I I, I I V, III I I, I I V
< 1305409145 439177 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIIIIIVIIIIIIIV
< 1305409151 751670 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1305409156 160284 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know numbers that big
< 1305409171 200937 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope TOPIC #esoteric :The first rule of thumb is that you do not talk about thumb. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305409211 983244 :tswettbov!~tswettbov@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305409215 137090 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the string length is o(n), i believe you will always end up with a bounded group length in the limit
< 1305409237 216105 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the thing about tswettbov is that it only crashes when you send a message containing the string "okoko".
< 1305409256 103587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: when /I/ send that?
< 1305409264 996901 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't very good at that, i take?
< 1305409269 482345 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even
< 1305409280 885505 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Gregor.
< 1305409293 252663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bizarre
< 1305409294 842375 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:03:  !ul (/me is trying to send a message starting "/me")S
< 1305409295 155290 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:06:  /me is trying to send a message starting "/me"
< 1305409295 237126 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:17:  doesn't work with EgoBot, it seems
< 1305409297 400286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an intentional feature?
< 1305409306 623711 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm actually kidding.
< 1305409316 807736 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this message, which contains "okoko", should cause it to crash.
< 1305409341 897896 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, it just crashed.
< 1305409425 106298 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:29:29:  but it's hard to see how any language could understand nested " as quotes
< 1305409429 578993 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that with whitespace :)
< 1305409434 915004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305409447 579746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of my languages was actually planning to do that for a while
< 1305409451 511434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"define "factorial n" "if "= n [one]" [one] "[asterisk] n "factorial "- n [one]""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
< 1305409452 490201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I decided INTERCAL-style quotes would work better
< 1305409460 158719 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: note that your I or V separator variations are just effectively appending those to the numerals before treating them as such a sequence
< 1305409463 75175 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nicer with | than ")
< 1305409464 933296 :tswettbov!~tswettbov@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305409469 530723 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm maybe
< 1305409478 567070 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i see
< 1305409505 107136 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:39:58:  and STATA (a nasty non-esoteric language) uses `" "'
< 1305409505 226002 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STATA?
< 1305409523 226424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ouch
< 1305409525 151184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remind me of that
< 1305409533 825525 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :already have
< 1305409543 531841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently really popular among statistical economists
< 1305409551 939693 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU EVIL MAN
< 1305409673 784757 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name is a portmanteau of "statistics" and "caca"
< 1305409736 800540 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an excellent portmanteauvre
< 1305409768 678650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STATA's actual official method for assigning to array elements translates roughly to Perl as eval "\$array$i = $n"
< 1305409866 37620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305409870 317811 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305409892 429873 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd like a language based on that somehow
< 1305409900 433024 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the quining string languages are similar
< 1305409911 64283 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something that involves implementing control structures by pasting together code and quoting it somehow
< 1305410076 917847 :tswettbow!~tswettbow@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305410326 17381 :tswettbow!~tswettbow@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305410611 941235 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :This error I'm encountering doesn't seem to occur in any part of the code.
< 1305410639 384926 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only occurs in the entirety of the code.  Test any part alone, and it goes away.
< 1305410653 114672 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus disproving reductionism.
< 1305410697 915366 :tswettbox!~tswettbox@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305410713 337153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to learn to put everything tigether in the way that you can see more easily what is wrong, look for a few more minutes, and then notice that there is one number stupid, and correct it.
< 1305410713 431934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what language?
< 1305410740 947187 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Smalltalk.
< 1305410753 133307 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: My diagnosis is that there is one number stupid.
< 1305410756 395400 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct it.
< 1305410772 645347 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are definitely at least two numbers.  And my name isn't Stupid.
< 1305410800 558612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That is not a very good diagnosis without looking at the entire program to see exactly what the program is, how it works, and what is wrong. And then you can say that there is one number stupid (if that is the case).
< 1305410826 763813 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well SHEESH, I'm not a doctor.
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< 1305410913 214841 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.  If I send a message causing an error, then I get that error, as expected.  If I send a message that sends a message causing an error, then I get an infinite error loop where no error discloses its origin.
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< 1305410976 554537 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you guys appreciate these bots.
< 1305410992 599641 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally.
< 1305411006 608333 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of the Lesser Key of Solomon?
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< 1305411025 331746 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "okoko" will kill them all.
< 1305411036 420849 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1305411076 921184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's special about "okoko"?
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< 1305411096 768634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1305411096 964754 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the string "okoko" is hardcoded into the source code as the string that causes the bot to quit.
< 1305411126 363573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it fails to quit, opting to crash instead?
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< 1305411170 514518 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pretty much.
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< 1305411313 648397 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends a CTCP ACTION.
< 1305411364 281328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Phantom_Hoover 
< 1305411372 802569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what ACTION does.
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< 1305411607 7303 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have shown quite conclusively that this one piece of code causes an effect before it is run.
< 1305411608 703128 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not entirely convinced this is a reasonable debugging method
< 1305411641 653480 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I have this clause that throws an exception, then runs a piece of code.
< 1305411664 2721 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that piece of code is empty, I see the exception thrown.  If that piece of code is something that throws an exception, I do not see the original exception thrown.
< 1305411674 575949 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though, since an exception was thrown, that piece of code should never have been executed.
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< 1305411695 26433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always adding commands to send output, and breakpoint, and stuff, can help, too.
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< 1305411743 122652 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Pharo sucks.  :P
< 1305411786 561551 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:36:  Java has a lot of annoying quirks
< 1305411787 464887 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:45:  such as having to use a file-system for quoting
< 1305411787 808759 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at
< 1305411789 71294 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1305411803 546341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm not sure what I meant by that
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< 1305412247 337235 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1305413490 578720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1305413557 442037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am going to record changes in my character sheet. Please wait forever.
< 1305413580 44604 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ঙ香
< 1305413582 790371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1305413584 411278 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :™
< 1305413587 390803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1305413589 708717 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :邙
< 1305413669 410710 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:00: -!- ihope has joined #esoteric.
< 1305413669 641808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:17:  HAI IM GREGORR I LIVE IN OREGON AND I WORK FOR INTEL >_O
< 1305413677 275157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: confirm/deny.
< 1305413711 940224 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know?  I don't know who that is.
< 1305413720 475687 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, apparently.
< 1305413741 929582 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GOOGLE TSWETT IS IHOPE
< 1305413744 8300 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND
< 1305413744 281131 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO
< 1305413744 963413 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR
< 1305413767 280069 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most probably, that was neither of us.
< 1305413772 937 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I suspect it was elliott_.
< 1305413782 808319 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was actually aloril.
< 1305413782 904159 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree with your suspicion.
< 1305413784 210108 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CakeProphet.
< 1305413786 710305 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working in tandem.
< 1305413795 851166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305413802 420623 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually predates me coming in here and doing anything but quitting, so I find it unlikely :P
< 1305413807 140126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always knew aloril was scheming behind our backs.
< 1305413828 83205 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that ralc guy too.
< 1305413829 690299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is now my next official Hate Figure.
< 1305413836 367650 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiyus is just the manager.
< 1305413851 157490 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And siracusa... I'd stay away from him if I were you.
< 1305413852 105578 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, aloril definitely played some part in this.  You can never trust a guy whose name means, uh...
< 1305413859 11030 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A guy whose name means aloril.
< 1305413868 65307 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am nourished the".
< 1305413874 486866 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Latinitalian.
< 1305413886 717664 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am nourished the too.
< 1305413902 223434 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language they speak, and have always spoken, in Rome.
< 1305413959 756888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Googles "aloril", notes fanfiction.net account.
< 1305413979 785732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes instant and violent disliking to aloril.
< 1305414030 595620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Eliezer Yudkowsky once said, ":(".
< 1305414054 682385 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing that I said Eliezer Yudkowsky said?
< 1305414069 247681 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes" I think?
< 1305414070 77805 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1305414078 45403 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have been "AAIIIIIEEEEEAAARRRRRGGGHHH".
< 1305414105 279688 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look, sometimes you just have to do things just because they're awesome." --Eliezer Yudkowsky, from memory
< 1305414111 781254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, aloril definitely played some part in this.  You can never trust a guy whose name means, uh...
< 1305414113 166033 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]you have
< 1305414132 527450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preliminary evidence suggests possible violation of the Law Of Statistical Absurdity.
< 1305414152 636309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
< 1305414175 367541 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Why would you stay away from me?
< 1305414186 493661 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: You're in cahoots.
< 1305414190 228065 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all of the lurkers.
< 1305414192 670157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the Lurker Gang.
< 1305414208 435953 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
< 1305414210 112631 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​419)  Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
< 1305414226 753415 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is this bad?
< 1305414238 416694 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siracusa: 'cuz you can't be trusted.
< 1305414243 773948 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop playing dumb.
< 1305414244 972022 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote :(
< 1305414246 429562 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414260 70826 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote large
< 1305414261 483910 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261)  LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary.  LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. \ 272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the
< 1305414265 70133 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF6ED.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305414266 701156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try again please! You did it wrong! Too bad!!!
< 1305414279 433020 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it work, thank you
< 1305414296 634679 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, do you mind if I just run `quote a bunch of times?
< 1305414298 806364 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote integer
< 1305414300 407388 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the other day when i was reading about this algo, it had complexity O(n a^-1(n)) = O(n a^-1(4))
< 1305414343 269913 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote learned
< 1305414344 726777 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists \ 272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the other day when i was reading
< 1305414358 104865 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote atheists
< 1305414359 735192 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1305414369 241244 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote soupdragon
< 1305414370 917187 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1305414375 247767 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1305414378 660626 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305414381 410473 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just scare away siracusa
< 1305414383 201113 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, really.
< 1305414384 423022 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm producing a lot of identical quotes.
< 1305414389 141590 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote burden
< 1305414390 888740 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​127)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1305414390 970661 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make list of numbers by quotation by search words?
< 1305414398 226044 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wat
< 1305414408 90160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote large
< 1305414409 945636 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261)  LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary.  LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. \ 272)  oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the
< 1305414414 774570 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote film
< 1305414416 125565 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261)  LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary.  LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. \ 299)  The context is Gracenotes releasing an illegal copy of a film about monster cock dildos.
< 1305414419 727241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, only the numbers instead of reading entire quotation texts. So that, if there is a lot, it all fits
< 1305414426 355525 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-8.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305414428 879448 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote alot
< 1305414430 435278 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414438 970756 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//'
< 1305414440 768763 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261 \ 299
< 1305414443 953464 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//g'
< 1305414445 668226 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261 \ 299
< 1305414448 379747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, in case of "No output" it doesn't put the strange characters at first
< 1305414449 800756 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Like that.
< 1305414458 621076 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote the | sed 's/).*//g'
< 1305414460 279873 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​5 \ 10 \ 11 \ 16 \ 17 \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ 26 \ 30 \ 34 \ 35 \ 38 \ 41 \ 44 \ 46 \ 48 \ 49 \ 50 \ 53 \ 56 \ 57 \ 58 \ 60 \ 63 \ 65 \ 66 \ 68 \ 70 \ 72 \ 73 \ 75 \ 78 \ 79 \ 84 \ 86 \ 87 \ 88 \ 89 \ 91 \ 92 \ 104 \ 105 \ 106 \ 107 \ 109 \ 110 \ 111 \ 114 \ 116 \ 117 \ 118 \ 122 \ 124 \ 126 \ 127 \ 134 \ 135 \ 141 \ 144 \ 147 \ 148
< 1305414464 350692 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//g' | tr '\n' ','
< 1305414466 235515 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​261,299,
< 1305414466 371504 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 5
< 1305414467 856416 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​5)  GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them.
< 1305414471 746204 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 's/).*//gN'
< 1305414473 597624 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414477 484675 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should be made the script with that.
< 1305414477 605595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote film | sed 'Ns/).*//g'
< 1305414479 384319 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414490 106535 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would be fairly pointless since you'd just want to check them all anyway.
< 1305414492 648177 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote that
< 1305414494 192506 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4)  that's where I got it  rocket launch facility gift shop \ 5)  GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. \ 7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 10)  So
< 1305414499 899808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes that
< 1305414501 782344 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14122
< 1305414511 700384 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still messes up URL detection.
< 1305414527 665996 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ivan
< 1305414529 417204 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​165)  Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ?
< 1305414538 423738 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ihope
< 1305414538 852674 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote o
< 1305414540 9413 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414540 446499 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where
< 1305414543 560164 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \bo\b
< 1305414545 151536 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​28) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO):  i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 79)  i use dynamic indentation, i indent lines k times, if they are used O(n^k) times during a run of the program \ 120)  I
< 1305414555 790315 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes \bo\b
< 1305414557 436125 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2446
< 1305414577 506658 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to make up program that whenever the channel receives anything with unicode characters that are not needed such as zero width space, left-to-right mark if all the text is already left-to-right, control code that is useless here, etc, to repeat it with all wrong stuff stripped.
< 1305414590 692390 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Aftran
< 1305414592 385300 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 50)  It looks like my hairs are too fat.  Can you help me split them? \ 82)  Invalid! Kill! Kill!  I get that feeling too. \ 107)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors? 
< 1305414601 413516 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we have so many Aftran quotes?
< 1305414607 78100 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you know who Aftran is?
< 1305414609 64075 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of you. Or Gregor.
< 1305414610 256254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do.
< 1305414611 708734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1305414621 896949 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ninety percent of the Sine quotes are unfunny, and that's after I obliterated most of them anyway :P
< 1305414627 905388 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess elliott and Gregor know who Aftran is.
< 1305414632 198089 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Sgeo.
< 1305414637 540689 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305414639 862815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SIRACUSA, the spy.
< 1305414644 467132 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 107
< 1305414645 871399 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​107)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors?  I think Aftran had a French phrase there.  Les vehicles d'or
< 1305414647 454845 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who watches us even now, from logs.
< 1305414647 536734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps.
< 1305414663 858417 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote door
< 1305414665 786854 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305414669 958474 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dor
< 1305414671 482492 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​93)  My mascot is a tree of broccoli. \ 107)  Clearly we should be like Mumbai and get of vehicle dors.  Get of vehicle dors?  I think Aftran had a French phrase there.  Les vehicles d'or
< 1305414678 433952 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote `quote
< 1305414680 275360 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​407)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something   thankfully only one \ 408)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407)
< 1305414693 875540 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 407
< 1305414694 966457 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's not confusing in the slightest :)
< 1305414695 511573 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​407)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something   thankfully only one
< 1305414705 209764 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1305414706 341690 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 408
< 1305414707 411390 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 352
< 1305414708 30521 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​408)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407)  `quote django   ​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something   thankfully only one   thankfully only two
< 1305414708 937617 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​352)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something
< 1305414714 219012 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes `quote
< 1305414715 995915 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10194
< 1305414724 135202 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10194
< 1305414732 142569 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, that stupid character is included.
< 1305414734 559371 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for telling us what HackEgo said.
< 1305414748 847243 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, it said it with a Unicode character before.
< 1305414755 670578 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which breaks XChat URL detection, and copies with it so that Firefox won't load the page.
< 1305414757 540589 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed it.
< 1305414791 329102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one of problem that Gregor broke it with!!!
< 1305414801 893784 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you'd better remove it or zzo38 will get very angry.
< 1305414824 135069 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think so will someone else (maybe)
< 1305414885 682148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :two quotes about quotes about django
< 1305414916 764660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes even the quotes about quotes are being angry now, it seems like
< 1305414931 619338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1305414975 875591 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Angry how
< 1305414979 556128 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1305414981 222578 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​420)  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django
< 1305414994 407588 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Noticed it has wrong codes in it too
< 1305415009 308621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they copied it again and then again copied to quotation and copied again.
< 1305415037 744333 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that angry
< 1305415081 738007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1305415099 97536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is angry because you can get angry by the wrong codes, sometimes it even copy/paste wrong, display wrong, break URL detection, and whatever else can go wrong with it, including other things.
< 1305415103 76127 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: >:D
< 1305415111 215464 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django   elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1305415113 118249 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​421)  `addquote  two quotes about quotes about django   I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django   elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/
< 1305415118 454839 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415120 264913 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​292)  actually, I think vorpal is the "retarded team member" to the left
< 1305415141 49240 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415141 360902 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415141 696737 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415142 19811 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415143 392774 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​417)  scripting language.  whole program analysis.  together at last
< 1305415144 451584 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415144 823615 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​34)  I am not on the moon.
< 1305415145 445491 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​142)  [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine
< 1305415147 409351 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​256)  I have plans to make the computer and one day I will do it!! (I have access to barter some people might help with these things) It is many difference from other computer.
< 1305415149 357724 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​233)  For instance, Jesus' Y chromosome was clearly GOD'S.
< 1305415209 332097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415256 490216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 
< 1305415257 917562 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305415263 835653 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like you, zzo38.
< 1305415267 549784 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305415269 111419 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​100)  I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love
< 1305415524 100671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hb81o/acid_blinding_sentence_postponed_by_iran_after/
< 1305415569 604389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words fail me.
< 1305415620 831456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should be an acceptable form of punishment, when your crime was the PREMEDITATED MAIMING AND TORTURE of another person. You shouldn't have your hand chopped off for stealing, but the at a minimum the person you stole from should be compensated to the level of what you stole from them, and then some, and it should be at your loss."
< 1305415640 477871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even mess up understanding reality that badly.
< 1305415658 345350 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't about reality; this is about ethics.
< 1305415659 264170 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No?
< 1305415742 224518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yes, but she is comparing compensation upon theft to torture.
< 1305415758 285960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is indisputably a false comparison.
< 1305415770 10112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torturing someone does not reverse the damage done to their victim.
< 1305415797 962996 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is certainly an interpretation of this argument under which it is fallacious.
< 1305415821 21678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying that there is another way to interpret it.
< 1305415832 641773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comparison of the two is pretty explicit.
< 1305415858 67692 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could simply be saying, "An eye for an eye is an acceptable punishment in all circumstances."
< 1305415887 152243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, fair point.
< 1305415941 596477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when people say "what if this was YOUR ", thus missing entirely the point of a justice system.
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< 1305416890 737731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Blood justice sounds great in theory, but not so much in application."
< 1305416900 356950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, soooo close.
< 1305416905 102564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no cigar.
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< 1305417387 841131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305417389 408076 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​18)  Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it.
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< 1305417583 285476 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to keep quitting maybe the connection is something wrong
< 1305417586 594738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1305417588 297649 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305417588 621242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``
< 1305417589 980272 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305417590 125059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1305417594 187898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ://
< 1305417599 138503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
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< 1305417827 798077 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :```````
< 1305417830 916780 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305417847 408919 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!
< 1305417852 174697 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'''''''
< 1305417854 122265 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :///////
< 1305417856 142284 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*******
< 1305417857 722003 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????
< 1305417859 726912 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::::
< 1305417861 302682 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305417864 925442 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305417893 186189 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 8754
< 1305417894 823250 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305417897 698017 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 0
< 1305417899 426789 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​10)  So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? \ 20)  Meh  ._. \ 30)  ehird: There is no h in "honour" \ 40)  I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary \ 46)
< 1305417900 162827 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10)  So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? \ 20)  Meh  ._. \ 30)  ehird: There is no h in "honour" \ 40)  I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary \ 46)
< 1305417904 287665 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay!!!
< 1305417910 389843 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I requested zero!!!
< 1305417969 762759 :zzo38_!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NICK :zzo38__
< 1305418011 549733 :zzo38__!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1305418121 371435 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305418152 816375 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no such things as quotation number zero?
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< 1305418284 130371 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully I corrected HackEgo so that it will no longer cause unmentionable URLs and so on. I think I figured out how to correct it even though I am not Gregor
< 1305418288 604516 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305418381 787685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How?
< 1305418401 603915 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ?so
< 1305418403 614477 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​?so
< 1305418403 731579 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so
< 1305418403 829311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not available
< 1305418408 315181 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305418413 144481 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK that will get annoying quickly.
< 1305418413 406759 :micahjohnston!~Adium@67-41-190-175.slkc.qwest.net NICK :locks
< 1305418424 584843 :locks!~Adium@67-41-190-175.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1305418426 611573 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305418430 778345 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Now here's a bad idea.
< 1305418431 867627 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Now here's a bad idea.
< 1305418432 54319 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now here's a bad idea.
< 1305418440 829260 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo /quit
< 1305418441 728460 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/quit
< 1305418441 950451 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/quit
< 1305418445 319445 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305418446 433164 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was worth a shot :P
< 1305418550 57359 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it allows you to force my client to send VERSION and such commands broadcast to channel even if HackEgo does not allow it. Try.
< 1305418578 754175 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo filters out \x01
< 1305418589 536373 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305418598 722353 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, someone tried it before.
< 1305418611 709315 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try something else!
< 1305418618 204594 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can't you just remove the funky char now that we don't get CTCPs? I promise not to cause any botloops. :p
< 1305418639 233999 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of annoying that I have to ctrl-c alt-tab ctrl-v fn-left fn-backspace enter to follow a HackEgo link now.
< 1305418663 953077 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No, now you don't because I fixed it so that you don't have to do that to follow a link now.
< 1305418717 772739 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if Gregor want to remove it then please to do so, otherwise how can you it is their choices to make the program the way they liked it to be done.
< 1305418755 169820 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real problem(s) is elliott's computer seems the numbers are broke? Is it fixed yet?
< 1305418777 431070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also me?
< 1305418787 919986 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, we will simply have to deal with it... too bad...
< 1305418804 588806 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, it is not fixed yet.
< 1305418854 845274 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, I think you ought to fix it soon. But if you don't want to then of course I cannot force you to do so. But I do highly advise to fix it.
< 1305418862 43445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1305418867 525158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305418916 3575 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't like this advice, then you can buy *bad* advice for 200+3i-sqrt(2+e^aleph0) zorkmids
< 1305418937 163588 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where x is your age in hours and y is your godfather's shoe size
< 1305418954 741456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/article_25950
< 1305418956 59041 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have no godfather??
< 1305418956 348057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh...
< 1305418967 683437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this review from 2000 mention TF2?
< 1305418981 738423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the date wrong?
< 1305418990 258755 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was announced in 1998.
< 1305418997 539923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1305419002 247673 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vapourware.
< 1305419009 146949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse than PSOX!
< 1305419009 551233 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Then just make up a number for y and hope that it would in fact be their proper shoe size in case you did have a godfather and they had shoes. Because if you guess wrong then you make a mistake and have to try again sorry
< 1305419018 503684 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except PSOX isn't exactly a fun game
< 1305419019 622362 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes elliott
< 1305419020 801551 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​207)  elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. \ 210)  elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 219)  elliott: My university has two
< 1305419021 117415 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :207)  elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. \ 210)  elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 219)  elliott: My university has two
< 1305419027 91588 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^aleph0?  That... that's kind of a plausible cardinal number.
< 1305419029 620849 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that's ... not pastequotes?
< 1305419047 286214 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, it only pastes ALL quotes, making it equivalent to `url quotes >_<
< 1305419049 391132 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1305419050 557323 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where I
< 1305419050 731825 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where I
< 1305419058 730094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf
< 1305419067 384396 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it's at least 2^aleph0 and at most 3^aleph0, buth of which are equal to 2^aleph0.
< 1305419072 728926 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How is that pastequotes?
< 1305419075 267629 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF did you do?
< 1305419080 345373 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't touch pastequotes.
< 1305419080 868379 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF did zzo38 do?
< 1305419085 200880 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And no, it is NOT equivalent.
< 1305419088 832842 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastequotes
< 1305419089 75896 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasteallquotes or whatever numbers them.
< 1305419090 119504 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste
< 1305419090 263654 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste
< 1305419099 955681 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Seriously that is annoying.
< 1305419101 850826 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn it off.
< 1305419109 867539 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/paste
< 1305419111 561903 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \     PASTE=- \ else \     PASTE="$1" \ fi \  \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \  \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \  \ echo ' http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.'"$PASTENUM" \ cat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM"
< 1305419116 139482 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it is off. But later I might turn back on if caused more problems
< 1305419129 571474 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, hopefully I did in fact turn it off and it is not a mistake
< 1305419139 698860 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wtf.
< 1305419153 937536 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now see if pastequotes is not broken
< 1305419211 122378 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1305419212 804507 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where I
< 1305419216 354912 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still broken.
< 1305419218 842757 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305419593 292987 :micahjohnstonn!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston
< 1305419681 650229 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does any JVM compile with NestedVM?
< 1305419727 71827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305419735 57187 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just askin' :P
< 1305419746 883734 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero might.
< 1305419757 906535 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1305419767 458297 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about gcj? OK, not a JVM as such, but...
< 1305419785 791439 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so: Woo NestedVM is... self-hosting... sort of :P
< 1305419786 202632 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably wouldn't, NestedVM isn't really much of a platform ..
< 1305419798 40872 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I just meant gcj compiling to xeightsix or whatever.
< 1305419820 693778 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparked because of
< 1305419824 761437 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:30:13:  http://groups.google.com/group/nestedvm/browse_thread/thread/f11cc0b0e9a9b584 < I need sys_select in NestedVM to port Java.
< 1305419825 423802 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:30:16:  Erm
< 1305419825 547388 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:30:19:  To port DirectNet.
< 1305419851 113124 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, gcj TARGETTING NestedVM is no problem.
< 1305419868 43107 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:44:51:  GregorR: btw where do you work?
< 1305419868 275898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:00:  don't say microsoft
< 1305419872 864283 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nonono, I just mean, something that lets you do
< 1305419878 671644 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :java LolMyGCJ compilation
< 1305419878 954376 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But gcj RUNNING on NestedVM ... I doubt it.
< 1305419879 847926 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi I am gcj.
< 1305419881 350223 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh what is this.
< 1305419885 9865 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want me to compile something?
< 1305419888 364911 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I need a file derp.
< 1305419895 668 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]LolMyGCJCompilation
< 1305419905 196076 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be GCJ /running on/ NestedVM.
< 1305419914 692238 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1305419916 923446 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, NestedVM isn't much of a platform.
< 1305419926 296068 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't gcj written in C++ though???
< 1305419931 244915 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine it uses too many weird syscalls.
< 1305419945 989363 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bit Unixy, like any other GCC.
< 1305419952 867188 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1305419993 611187 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads about Linear Lisp.
< 1305420181 301487 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you consider haskell an esoteric language?
< 1305420211 441497 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's arguable.
< 1305420226 460897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not esoteric in the sense that it's widely used and "accepted".
< 1305420229 621263 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you pour gasoline all over the channel then drop a match?
< 1305420232 71380 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just mean.
< 1305420239 839901 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's esoteric in the sense that it's very different from current common practice.
< 1305420249 338464 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to define esoteric is without a frame of reference :)
< 1305420256 425852 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a mathematician, Haskell is pretty damn conventional.
< 1305420260 888389 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please, everyone here likes Haskell.
< 1305420273 930040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES CHROME KEEP DELETING MY COOKIES
< 1305420287 919045 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's hungry.
< 1305420388 838182 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the registers--fr--is distinguished as the "free list" register, and is initialized to point to an infinite list of NIL's."
< 1305420502 446817 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 1. List cell reference counts are conserved and are always identically 1.
< 1305420502 678736 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof by induction [Suzuki82,s.4]. All cons cells start out with unity reference counts, and are only manipulated by exchanges which preserve reference counts. QED
< 1305420507 433687 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a copout X-D
< 1305421111 28264 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because you pushed DELETE or because Chrome is automatic, I don't know if it has a manual mode, it is because Google try to make everything go automatic by Google
< 1305421153 806632 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is some fork with manual override you can check
< 1305421292 956142 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered if anyone would make the suggestion I made to add to the Forth codes for anarchy golf, to improve compatibility with different versions
< 1305421385 481107 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Sgeo: Because you pushed DELETE or because Chrome is automatic, I don't know if it has a manual mode, it is because Google try to make everything go automatic by Google
< 1305421387 249797 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​422)  Sgeo: Because you pushed DELETE or because Chrome is automatic, I don't know if it has a manual mode, it is because Google try to make everything go automatic by Google
< 1305421421 506647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome is not a car.
< 1305421427 118991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, instead, a cdr.
< 1305421551 291342 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which code golf are you best at?
< 1305421603 18824 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :New super-villain idea:
< 1305421606 145976 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pastor of Disaster"
< 1305421692 534268 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now write the book or whatever it might be
< 1305422169 996668 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  hobbes, your mom is fat   your code snippets mom
< 1305422171 97482 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​423)  hobbes, your mom is fat   your code snippets mom
< 1305422175 72775 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err
< 1305422177 31943 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 423
< 1305422178 335468 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*
< 1305422184 948688 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote (Hobbes is a chatterbot)   hobbes, your mom is fat   your code snippets mom
< 1305422185 34753 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305422185 893842 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​423) (Hobbes is a chatterbot)   hobbes, your mom is fat   your code snippets mom
< 1305422254 453217 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305422630 575834 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
< 1305423010 925569 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delquote works now?
< 1305423024 518796 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The three spaces are just to antagonise me, right? :P
< 1305423039 531744 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1305423041 43510 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where I
< 1305423043 765803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DOES THAT NOT WORK
< 1305423046 699879 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKED BEFORE
< 1305423055 783011 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/pastequotes
< 1305423057 662811 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastequotes
< 1305423059 155799 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/paste
< 1305423061 283660 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/paste
< 1305423083 664847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You mean ... the two quotes?
< 1305423088 915349 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . .
< 1305423089 935212 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1305423091 224981 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaces
< 1305423098 204970 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastequotes.
< 1305423111 125120 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then look at:
< 1305423111 588891 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pastequotes
< 1305423111 788495 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3)  Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened...  More practice is in order. \ 4)  that's where I
< 1305423117 799254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | paste
< 1305423119 722647 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi
< 1305423122 186762 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF??
< 1305423125 597807 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste is broken.
< 1305423129 351149 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So terribly, terribly broken.
< 1305423130 747958 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow.
< 1305423141 870296 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo foobar | paste
< 1305423142 914760 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​foobar
< 1305423144 139666 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I already said that "Luaapi" would make an excellent Finnish word?
< 1305423146 626278 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!
< 1305423149 803473 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/paste
< 1305423150 984688 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/paste
< 1305423152 931751 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I JUST DID THAT YOU IDIOT >_<
< 1305423175 555274 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PASTENUM="$RANDOM"
< 1305423177 467290 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I needed to see it for myself :P
< 1305423181 326726 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disturbing potential for collisions there :P
< 1305423190 567192 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, they're hg'd, so meh
< 1305423198 692895 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]meh.
< 1305423201 914887 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 312
< 1305423203 526636 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1305423209 830162 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1305423211 413649 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1305423218 979607 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, if anyone is wondering, the Antarctica international airport /sucks/.
< 1305423245 95678 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... there is an Antarctica International Airport? :P
< 1305423248 133036 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1305423249 43980 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5896
< 1305423250 493635 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK that is good advice I can tell someone if they planned to go there
< 1305423254 754802 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and they have street lamps in Antarctica, too.
< 1305423254 964010 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote*
< 1305423256 377886 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No streets though.
< 1305423260 603864 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just dotted about.
< 1305423267 254434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They turn on a short while after it gets dark.
< 1305423292 654107 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then turn of six months later, when it gets light.
< 1305423299 795900 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only at the South Pole :P
< 1305423306 962419 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The airport is pretty well-lit, though, and the walls are glass, so it acts as a sort of light.
< 1305423322 914923 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I was at the airport to get a flight back...
< 1305423324 523184 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would there not be an international airport in Antarctica?
< 1305423329 290403 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but they offered me a car back instead.
< 1305423336 515264 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I just didn't really trust a car with the sea ice, so yeah.
< 1305423346 437975 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I found out they had a train back and that sounded safest and funnest.
< 1305423350 603894 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to take the train instead.
< 1305423353 880856 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it never arrived and then I woke up.
< 1305423355 175930 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there weren't one, people would have to either sail to Antarctica, or first go to a country that has territory in Antarctica.
< 1305423367 886500 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Fuck Antarctica International Airport.
< 1305423382 728254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Sailing to Antarctica is pretty common y'know :P
< 1305423390 76107 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that sounds difficult
< 1305423391 98021 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... yeah.
< 1305423397 39406 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they DO have an international airport, actually.
< 1305423403 561400 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC flights are generally done via New Zealand or similar.
< 1305423404 92846 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I mean, a whole airport?
< 1305423406 359485 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this at once?
< 1305423408 344907 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yesyesyes.
< 1305423413 721581 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty small airport mind you.
< 1305423422 673514 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In actual fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Antarctica
< 1305423422 760642 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have an airport that accepts airplanes that aren't from Antarctica.  :P
< 1305423428 25447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how your choice of runway material is gravel, snow, or ice.
< 1305423441 544341 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: variable elevation levels of an airport.
< 1305423453 386803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, the definition of "airport" here is something like "thing with runway markers on it".
< 1305423459 732523 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be your opinion if TeX has a command to select the lesser bad?
< 1305423493 854886 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The South Pole is awesomely fucked, though; not only do they have six month long days, but it literally has no timezone :P
< 1305423512 608586 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They just use New Zealand time, though, because they're TOTALLY BORING.)
< 1305423517 168327 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Do they then have to, whenever they tell the time, have to specify time zone letter?
< 1305423527 106251 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What they SHOULD do is put twelve am in the middle of the day period, and stretch out the entire year to twenty-four hours.
< 1305423527 710727 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well of course it has no timezone...
< 1305423540 262454 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but it's still a fun fact :P
< 1305423543 361786 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should do then, such as 12:00Z and so on is one way
< 1305423560 718922 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, obviously it's because it exists OUTSIDE OF TIME.
< 1305423585 858140 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wondered what Antarctic compass roses look like.
< 1305423602 163800 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can use a compass on South Pole?
< 1305423602 392292 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: They're this gigantic circular arrow marked "S".
< 1305423604 27823 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1305423605 303634 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: They're this gigantic circular arrow marked "N".
< 1305423615 112568 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: At the magnetic poles, compasses just flail about wildly, unless you hold them horizontally.
< 1305423616 598424 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they point down.
< 1305423618 70445 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not kidding.
< 1305423626 171327 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is hilarious to me for some reason.
< 1305423633 554338 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, hold them vertically, or whatever.
< 1305423642 295349 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of "NESW", do they go "Greenwich, 90 Degrees East of Greenwich, Opposite Greenwich, 90 Degrees West of Greenwich"?  :P
< 1305423651 571836 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't think they make Antarctic compass roses :P
< 1305423660 216760 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do Antarctic maps just not have compass roses?
< 1305423675 841201 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1305423681 149885 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1305423682 340703 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to believe that.
< 1305423692 823898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=antarctic+map&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=qER&channel=fs&prmd=ivnsm&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZS_PTej2BNSahQeUzcyNDQ&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=675
< 1305423697 300808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preliminary evidence suggests yes.
< 1305423728 622957 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.animalbase.uni-goettingen.de/mapimage/map-antarctica-victoria-land.jpg ;; this is all the penguins in Antarctica.
< 1305423730 80662 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count 'em.
< 1305423743 513590 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_would_you_write_a_compass_rose_on_a_map_of_Antarctica
< 1305423748 821637 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can anyone else have asked this question before.
< 1305423755 272999 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since a compass rose is a figure, actually, you'd draw one, not write one."
< 1305423759 487856 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this answer has started off on a really irritating note.
< 1305423773 945920 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha!  http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=antarctic+compass+rose
< 1305423792 580922 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some geocaching thing, it seems.
< 1305423794 797039 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the first few results.
< 1305423797 720645 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, they look like that.
< 1305423807 21571 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=2381839&page=6
< 1305423817 786880 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :With, like, Zodiac symbols.
< 1305423823 419537 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1305423828 797309 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1305423837 712216 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go to the South Pole and deface it with a compass rose, all marked "N".
< 1305423868 20273 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that actually wouldn't be a bad way to mark an Antarctic compass rose.
< 1305423882 356297 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be the most hilarious way :P
< 1305423889 709469 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better if it had an infinite number of arrows on it, all marked "N".
< 1305423892 337257 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since each sign of the zodiac is associated with a longitude.
< 1305423898 16549 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but which infinite number?
< 1305423899 662448 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant N.
< 1305423902 869261 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Aleph INFINIT.
< 1305423904 281986 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINITY.
< 1305423906 73140 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be the only sensible way ...
< 1305423906 778124 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aleph_0?  2^aleph_0?  Something in between?
< 1305423913 593432 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what would?  The zodiac?
< 1305423917 876257 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All-N
< 1305423922 293545 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lagged all to hell X_X
< 1305423937 125617 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree.  Marking a compass rose with the zodiac would be unbearably sensible.
< 1305423967 783882 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know zodiac works like that.
< 1305423984 78368 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia... kind of suggests that it does.
< 1305424041 354548 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absfdbffgjdgojgdrjgodg. The end.
< 1305424220 125640 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes.  We'll say that towards Greenwich is Aries, east of Greenwich is Cancer, opposite Greenwich is Libra, and west of Greenwich is Capricorn.
< 1305424245 507202 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ obviously finds this an unbearably sensible system.
< 1305424251 424417 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I do.
< 1305424256 831804 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having an aneurysm thanks to you.
< 1305424268 223805 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A painful aneurysm.
< 1305424388 219813 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, we'll want to use adjectives.  Those are nouns.
< 1305424489 418658 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.  Arian (not to be confused with Aryan), cancerian, libran, and capricornian.
< 1305424511 98021 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, those are too long.
< 1305424522 734139 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's give up.
< 1305424558 91155 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capediamian.
< 1305424569 275731 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Carpediemian.
< 1305424595 509133 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who edits Wicapedia?
< 1305424650 148848 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305424827 10087 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided seems very indecisive.
< 1305424879 809261 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the contrary.  dr_undecided has an opinion about everything.
< 1305424896 513134 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :He believes that P does not equal NP, and that the Riemann hypothesis is true.
< 1305424928 353689 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, thats correct :)
< 1305424944 517596 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: HOW CAN YOU PREDICT SUCH THINGS
< 1305424954 863157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a wizard????????????
< 1305424989 857984 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also believes that Goldbach's conjecture and the Collatz conjecture are both true, and that there are infinitely many pairs of twin primes but their frequency drops very quickly.
< 1305424994 75474 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: in dr_undecided's opinion, no.
< 1305425000 540448 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot make NS GHOST tswett
< 1305425023 796903 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i think you deduced it from "dr" in my username
< 1305425036 270250 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wat
< 1305425056 984996 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided: You come from the wiki?
< 1305425078 131842 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was just browsing the list of channels on freenode
< 1305425087 694540 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305425109 140423 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is many channel in here this one has strange thing sometimes (and often)
< 1305425113 104593 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FWIW our wiki is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1305425118 949906 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is a channel about esoteric programming languages
< 1305425201 583173 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1305425350 249569 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PART :#esoteric
< 1305425431 671435 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there goes another 'un.
< 1305425446 658652 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'/f/
< 1305425458 860868 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we're without fun now.
< 1305425467 830141 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly considers not messing with dr_undecided.
< 1305425471 286093 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consideration over.
< 1305425489 149158 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided also believes that there is a symmetric encryption scheme that can encrypt in linear time but is invulnerable to ciphertext-only attacks taking less than exponential time.
< 1305425528 673872 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E also believes that exponentiation is total.
< 1305425546 110171 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok everyone
< 1305425549 704654 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided just passed the initiation ritual
< 1305425553 8772 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happiness all around
< 1305425585 501761 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305425605 57667 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :E believes that exponentiation has a value for all complex inputs except for bases of 0 and exponents with negative real part.
< 1305425615 404656 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, dr_undecided.  I'm just explaining some of your other opinions.
< 1305425687 29056 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi tswett, Im going to sit back and watch for some time
< 1305425695 58796 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1305425705 525943 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to go to bed, by the way.
< 1305425756 6257 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided believes that the Mandelbrot set is locally connected.
< 1305425758 487727 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night, everyone!
< 1305425927 367225 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided: Do you know of any esoteric programming?
< 1305425949 442179 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we've already gone through that.
< 1305425994 104309 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the doctor of "undecided"?
< 1305426134 241160 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does java count?
< 1305426171 925665 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_undecided: No, INTERCAL and brainfuck and stuff like that counts generally, Java does not usually count (although some people say it does, but the canonical idea is that it doesn't count).
< 1305426763 391838 :dr_undecided!~dr_undeci@wireless-165-124-248-38.nuwlan.northwestern.edu PART :#esoteric
< 1305426773 166404 :zzo38!~startkeyl@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1305428891 43083 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/paper.full.pdf
< 1305429031 138077 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Source: Some guy on the Internet."
< 1305429041 52412 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow opening that crashed Firefox somehow.
< 1305429086 654529 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: source: me
< 1305429097 617402 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the data source?
< 1305429101 882690 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant fizzie :P
< 1305429106 276800 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just ONE guy on the internet
< 1305429112 917567 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MULTIPLE PEOPLE on the Internet.
< 1305429118 705750 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUR infact
< 1305429122 329019 :TheFinder!~asdf@ool-45766cd4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305429122 533379 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one guy IN PERSON
< 1305429124 522495 :TheFinder!~asdf@ool-45766cd4.dyn.optonline.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305429164 788945 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no reason to think fizzie was being a jerk and messing with the data :|
< 1305429200 191190 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd have to be amazingly good at reading minds over the internet, seeing as how it fits the predictions without him even knowing what the predictions are!
< 1305429223 59208 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have just lied. :)
< 1305429238 127416 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then tell you I lied after you put it up, so you have to go and fix it.
< 1305429258 169998 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, except it'd be obvious that you lied
< 1305429266 376100 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistencies across sentences, for instance
< 1305429273 349714 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'd just lie consistently.
< 1305429284 28864 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively: There's no dialect with inconsistencies? :-)
< 1305429301 246925 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconsistencies are far rarer than people realize
< 1305429324 197686 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they don't exist?
< 1305429358 785722 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might. what people think of as inconsistencies are usually not inconsistencies at all
< 1305429367 372679 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre just different grammars
< 1305429384 35413 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to try to make sense of things by analogy to their own grammars, which is error prone
< 1305429389 581650 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wouldn't be OBVIOUS I'm lying :)
< 1305429398 724 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it wouldve
< 1305429403 385379 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because im a trained linguist!
< 1305429459 323160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it'd also be possible that my dialect is just really fucked up.
< 1305429478 772645 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe linguists have been systematically ignoring how fucked up it is because they assume we're all lying!
< 1305429540 683773 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its happened before
< 1305429551 850345 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then.
< 1305429553 166230 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not before being caught
< 1305429558 23361 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask away.
< 1305429558 23502 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without being caught?
< 1305429558 907595 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one
< 1305429561 985482 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask what
< 1305429567 643911 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you asked all these grubby people.
< 1305429577 805970 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305429581 580469 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? you speak english
< 1305429587 561704 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR DO I
< 1305429596 544382 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask anyway, I just want a chance to lie flagrantly.
< 1305429643 534855 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1305429645 2030 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305429648 464674 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that any time you like
< 1305429680 454019 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO I NEED YOUR QUESTIONS.
< 1305429685 706659 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like penis
< 1305429688 981073 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your mouth
< 1305429698 345578 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel these are not the questions you asked everybody else.
< 1305429711 685169 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're certainly the ones i WOULDVE asked oklopol
< 1305429725 255977 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oklofok, as it were
< 1305429727 240705 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1305429728 332868 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1305429729 840833 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1305429778 281440 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: the questions were pretty simple
< 1305429795 816685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASK ME DAMMIT
< 1305429810 682465 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate the following as completely as possible: John ate a hotdog and Susan ate a hamburger, John has eaten a hotdog and Susan has eaten a hamburger, John talked to Susan on Tuesday and to Stephen on Wednesday, Every girl will vote yes and her father will vote no, Most dogs love Alpo and most cats love Whiskas, Most dogs have eaten Alpo and most cats have eaten Whiskas
< 1305429830 475105 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John ate a hotdog and Susan ate a hamburger, John has eaten a hotdog and Susan has eaten a hamburger, John talked to Susan on Tuesday and to Stephen on Wednesday, Every girl will vote yes and her father will vote no, Most dogs love Alpo and most cats love Whiskas, Most dogs have eaten Alpo and most cats have eaten Whiskas
< 1305429835 959869 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more
< 1305429843 594706 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305429847 523405 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1305429872 458094 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this acceptable on the reading just translated: John ate a hotdog and Susan a hamburger
< 1305429898 328344 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... can't parse that statement
< 1305429914 717581 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youngin'
< 1305429917 27411 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grow up!
< 1305429925 167948 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that completes this question session
< 1305429938 121917 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean
< 1305429942 276671 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is this acceptable on the reading just translated"
< 1305429966 425779 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I say "John ate a hotdog and Susan a hamburger" to mean "John ate a hotdog and Susan ate a hamburger"
< 1305429978 505679 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305429980 853580 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on actually
< 1305429994 30172 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't
< 1305429998 189770 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305430001 579501 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought those were identical statements
< 1305430031 979489 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/elliottqs.txt
< 1305430047 492128 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 3, 8, 11, 15, and 20 are the base sentences
< 1305430049 717759 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to all of them is C
< 1305430060 2536 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentences below them are modified by various deletions
< 1305430061 837564 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13. Every girl will vote yes and her father will      no
< 1305430066 182206 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that actually valid in any language? X-D
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< 1305430075 567295 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 is not, no
< 1305430078 221011 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305430082 839316 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be.
< 1305430087 566957 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, none of the ones i looked at anyway
< 1305430092 685695 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 12 is
< 1305430100 445253 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 is fine in all the languages with VP ellipsis
< 1305430356 90508 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im off home
< 1305430361 406314 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you in a bit, elliott_
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< 1305430447 114113 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i decided to cheat the only way i knew how
< 1305430450 169272 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not answering the questions
< 1305430457 228212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305430463 718036 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :)
< 1305430466 430170 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bai
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< 1305432844 472188 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305432882 749472 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, aspartame is five-dimensional.
< 1305432897 297600 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also water apparently, and that contains liquid gold.
< 1305432904 357558 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...also cows.
< 1305432925 310465 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, cows were created to turn three-dimensional food into five-dimensional flesh, and their purpose is to serve mankind by feeding us.
< 1305432931 261189 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which helps us to return home.
< 1305433006 404172 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305433374 573264 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this advanced vortex math
< 1305433392 961720 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the regular sort
< 1305433874 113413 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305433883 186909 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.breatharian.com/breatharians.html
< 1305433890 556720 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the greatest thing you'll read today.
< 1305433925 898873 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I AM THE LORD THY GOD
< 1305433926 30705 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND
< 1305433926 118277 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE ALL WHOM I SEE
< 1305433926 118447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DNA came to Humanity by the means of THE ARK OF THE COVENANT and THE HOLY GRAIL and all of you in the World now hold this DNA in your blood.
< 1305433926 118558 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DNA runs in your veins and I come now to enliven it"
< 1305433987 549755 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man reading
< 1305434019 233091 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that starts
< 1305434019 731526 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: If you are a true Breatharian why did you recommend a diet of diet coke and McDonald�s double-quarter-pounder with cheese meal?
< 1305434021 816191 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't possibly go wrong.
< 1305434032 162783 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm cheese meal
< 1305434293 385509 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU KNOW THE BASE FREQUENCY OF THE DOUBLE-QUARTER-POUNDER WITH CHEESE MEAL FROM MCDONALD AND DIET COKE?
< 1305434313 419762 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"( Click here ''Immortality workshops"  for more info.)
< 1305434313 651145 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORKSHOPS MUST BE COMPLETED BEFORE DECEMBER 21, 2012"
< 1305434335 351942 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFTER 30 YEARS OF PREPARATIONS (VERY INTENSE FOCUS FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS) THE SEVERITY OF THIS INITIATION WAS ALMOST OVERWHIMMING.
< 1305434335 597453 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR THE FIRST SIX FULL DAYS 24/7, MY BODY WAS COVERED IN 1ST AND 2ND DEGREE BURNS.  WHILE IN THE MIST OF THIS INCREDIBLE PAIN AND HEAT, I BEGAN TO THE SMELL THE UNDENIABLE ODOR OF BURNING HUMAN FLESH AND TO MY SURPRISE I SMELLED ODORS OF MANY TOXINS I DID'NT EVEN KNOW I HAD IN MY BODY.
< 1305434344 307067 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE STRONGEST ODORS WERE OF COMMOND HOUSE PAINTS, WATER BASED, LEAD BASE, PAINTS FROM SPRAY CANS.  I COULD FEEL LARGE AMOUNTS OF MERCURY AND LEAD POISONING FROM MY TEEN YEARS WHEN LEAD WAS USED FREELY IN PAINTS AND GASOLINE FOR THE AUTOMOBILE.  THE MERCURY WAS FROM THE TOOTH FILLINGS THAT WERE POISONING ME FOR YEARS.  AS MY LIFE WAS FLASHING BEFORE MY EYES I WAS MADE AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS I KNEW WER
< 1305434344 428867 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E BAD FOR MY HEALTH BUT DID NOTHING ABOUT THEM.  LIKE PLACES WHERE I HAD LIVED, SUCH AS IN VERY POLLUTED HOUSES OR CITIES AND REFUSED TO MOVE TO MORE HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTS.
< 1305434359 377135 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a science article that’ll drive my point home.
< 1305434362 95387 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1305434370 233067 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a science article that’ll drive my point home.
< 1305434373 855411 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also orange
< 1305434381 41682 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.breatharian.com/brightstar.html the science article
< 1305434414 897677 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the point is because I'm a horrible person and skipped to the bottom
< 1305434420 109428 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO
< 1305434558 432865 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "5D Q&A" section of his website Brooks explains that cows are fifth-dimensional (or higher) beings that help mankind achieve fifth-dimensional status by converting three-dimensional food to five-dimensional food (beef).[26] In the "Question and Answer" section of his website, Brooks explains that the "Double Quarter-Pounder with Cheese" meal from McDonald's possesses a special "base frequency"
< 1305434558 557441 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that he thus recommends it as occasional food for beginning breatharians.[27] He then goes on to reveal that Diet Coke is "liquid light".[27] Prospective disciples are asked after some time following the junk food/magic word preparation to revisit his website in order to test if they can feel the magic.[25]
< 1305434561 850150 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how every single sentence has a citation
< 1305434565 848845 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise nobody would believe it ever
< 1305434572 495216 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brooks states that he may be contacted on his fifth-dimensional phone in order to get the correct pronunciation of the five magic words.[25] In case the line is busy, prospective recruits are asked to meditate on the five magic words for a few minutes, and then try calling again.[25]
< 1305434583 339819 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you dial fifth-dimensional phone lines with a three-dimensional phone
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< 1305436672 449673 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan when you need him
< 1305438196 694139 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE POPULACE DEMAND OERJAN
< 1305438760 685406 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gavinstubbs09/The_Linux_Group
< 1305439101 678493 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux Group Application Suite programs cannot be downloaded for free - people have to buy them online. Some of their products are free of charge, also.
< 1305439129 50184 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it worth the bucks
< 1305439143 868561 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im reading the guys talkpage
< 1305439146 96483 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes thirteen
< 1305439151 488483 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he added the criticism section to make it more neutral
< 1305439154 271766 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] Criticism
< 1305439154 491784 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux Group has been accused by a few YouTube viewers saying that they don't review unknown Linux Operating Systems even know that is The Linux Group's priority. They are currently on the case to add more reviews talking about unknown Linux distros.
< 1305439164 904082 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1305439165 586709 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] References
< 1305439165 820177 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google, Inc. (2011). Google thelg Search Results Retrieved March 30, 2011.
< 1305439209 119471 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their site is quality
< 1305439221 153645 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux Group is currently working on a translator powered by Google Translate. This will be posted in due time for the release on 2/28/11.
< 1305439229 324980 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thelg.weebly.com/tlg-app-suite-windows.html
< 1305439230 786489 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord help me
< 1305439238 341224 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gavin recently showed a presentation to his 8th grade class for a "How to" project, thus, doing "How to Make an Computer Application." They all really liked it. He also has seen posts about it from classmates saying how great it was.
< 1305439254 784341 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305439255 647629 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its windows only
< 1305439259 807925 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux group application suite
< 1305439260 726611 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for windows
< 1305439289 480334 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thelg.weebly.com/uploads/5/0/5/2/5052994/310400.png?827
< 1305439305 350899 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its beautiful
< 1305439316 399870 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your work done in style. and. work with fun background apps!
< 1305439350 167921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it works perfectly on WINE? *really, really bad excuse making time*
< 1305439370 64539 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a stupid 8th grader
< 1305439418 701489 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the best idea
< 1305439420 85484 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why dont we move
< 1305439423 584258 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the idiots in the world
< 1305439425 573914 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some island
< 1305439427 962715 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then put Sgeo there
< 1305439432 154578 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he'll be nice to all of them
< 1305439435 699213 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'll have two fewer problems
< 1305439487 685375 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put them all in a small box and give them terminals to a virtual island
< 1305439490 262332 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo dreamland
< 1305439595 261185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows 98FE"
< 1305439643 289305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, pointing out a typo is a bit silly
< 1305439685 370241 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 99
< 1305439687 630130 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WINDOWS ................
< 1305439689 636584 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF CHAMPYONS
< 1305439715 404592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305439756 504796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305439764 804821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305440440 928937 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305440972 809573 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up my fellow drug dealers on boats in the ocean
< 1305441004 362973 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my boat is in a pond
< 1305441162 286974 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it amazes me that no one has made libuck yet
< 1305444208 154061 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit oerjan
< 1305447528 214544 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43:40:  Damn, I just discovered that the IOCCC was open
< 1305447531 127030 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43:40:  Damn, I just discovered
< 1305447533 902504 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:43:40:  Damn, I just
< 1305447537 379177 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Damn, I just
< 1305447538 878348 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Damn
< 1305448183 121726 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00:35: * oerjan wonders if you could do reverse pointers - like COME FROM.
< 1305448184 39398 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305448184 961667 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess
< 1305448201 599466 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every value has either zero or one pointers pointing to it, but every pointer can point to multiple values
< 1305448223 282447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :following a pointer requires traversing the entire address space, but backtracking from a value to its pointer is constant time
< 1305448293 481031 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305448374 787611 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305448375 247607 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1305448378 585056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the definition of a hash :)
< 1305448724 551387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305448922 297528 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305449199 728357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305449435 566685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan[exclamation marks]
< 1305449466 915693 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord
< 1305449474 152409 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE /MSG
< 1305449833 296959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_!
< 1305449840 517314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, any news on computer?
< 1305449844 764080 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1305449845 593856 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess
< 1305449848 990222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope?
< 1305449855 11764 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just... have you ever noticed like
< 1305449857 789403 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many things you can do in a life
< 1305449858 492403 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are
< 1305449859 831754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many things
< 1305449863 242035 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am busy doing them
< 1305449869 582553 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the stupid inconsequential ones involving wasting lots of time
< 1305449870 365493 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are things
< 1305449886 273466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes I noticed, minor crisis a few years ago when I realised I really wanted to try more things than I could ever do in a lifetime
< 1305449916 361850 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305449918 196662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure bungee jumping is near the end.
< 1305449918 284404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1305449923 292898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, -_-
< 1305449925 820812 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but how will I ever find the time to get shitted on by a bear wearing a top hat"
< 1305449930 124612 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DAMN YOU MORTALITY"
< 1305449942 281597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Make sure bungee jumping is near the end. <-- actually that is one of the few things I don't want to try
< 1305449954 759495 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"few"
< 1305449958 210581 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's plenty.
< 1305449958 210738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, I'll do it when I'm a spry 90-year old man or something
< 1305449967 966903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, probably yes
< 1305449969 252627 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're in for bear-shitting.
< 1305449973 411906 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case I know a good bear.
< 1305449993 879869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I do want to hang-glide for example, but I doubt I would dare.
< 1305450026 981647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parachuting would be fun too
< 1305450030 184532 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang gliding? meh, what about those guys who just jump off mountains and fly for minutes like feet above the ground and then are like "meh, I _guess_ I'll open this parachute now"
< 1305450036 450023 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I _have_ to
< 1305450054 435823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm
< 1305450061 540968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1305450087 747634 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably jump out of an aeroplane or something at some point, since it doesn't really take very long and i probably won't die
< 1305450093 939452 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess it's probably worth doing
< 1305450105 300224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, with a parachute yes
< 1305450110 471177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you would die :P
< 1305450112 532272 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_development_philosophies < lol @ "dependency injection"
< 1305450115 189654 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well maybe.
< 1305450115 878770 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305450117 97143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is parked on ground
< 1305450121 390969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't need a parachute
< 1305450155 431881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think you would break some bones if you tried to jump out of a parked 747 or such
< 1305450204 99386 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be awesome if there was like
< 1305450205 609697 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gigantic ramp
< 1305450210 337473 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just completely flat on the end
< 1305450214 727861 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could jump off and fall for minutes
< 1305450217 816056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305450222 153488 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how tall it'd have to be
< 1305450227 638155 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without a parachute until near the end)
< 1305450233 26884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, how would you survive?
< 1305450237 433319 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleverly
< 1305450242 413762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1305450246 500746 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Phantom_Hoover how far did you work up jade's room as being?
< 1305450249 818411 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the falling-for-three-months thing
< 1305450252 358276 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it in the oort cloud
< 1305450254 631852 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1305450255 857925 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305450257 79700 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was iit
< 1305450257 967808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1305450259 49695 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think so
< 1305450265 663329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this happened recently?
< 1305450275 566066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(homestuck I presume?)
< 1305450289 647642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305450289 735989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been keeping up with it for the past week or so
< 1305450314 783921 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1305450315 693860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305450319 881520 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was when jade's room exploded
< 1305450320 165479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, then what
< 1305450324 407454 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of her robot explodin'
< 1305450324 495127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1305450324 695259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1/10th of the way to Proxima Centauri, approximately.
< 1305450332 276438 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was left as a cliffhanger for months
< 1305450336 247346 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously translated to literal falling time
< 1305450337 220169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I calculated this in the stupidest way ever.
< 1305450341 968092 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey Phantom_Hoover how far did you work up jade's room as being?
< 1305450342 231762 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with the falling-for-three-months thing
< 1305450342 415014 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wasn't it in the oort cloud
< 1305450344 957421 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305450346 566738 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you answered
< 1305450348 636582 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305450354 213613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does that assume constant gravity or do you take into account that you won't really fall in any reasonable sense out there?
< 1305450379 581820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, it does assume constant gravity.
< 1305450408 88968 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305450409 683973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah, unrealistic. I bet that you would get a much more reasonable figure of distance if you did not
< 1305450410 110080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realistically you can get any falling time by going arbitrarily close to the moon/Earth point of equal gravity.
< 1305450421 63182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305450427 38274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, no.
< 1305450431 140114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1305450440 254329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbital movement would destabilise it.
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< 1305450445 645656 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1305450448 197814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes
< 1305450449 760841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an unstable equilibrium, after all.
< 1305450509 480914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could stick it in L1 or L2 and that'd probably work.
< 1305450522 266936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1305452014 439483 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1305454608 880185 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, jfoisjgiofdghoih
< 1305455120 73592 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43464.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305455427 344860 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, roman numeral look and say seems to have some problems being analyzed
< 1305455513 245477 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's roman?
< 1305455515 243247 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...IIIVVIIIVVIII... -> ...IIIIIIVIIIIIIVIIIII... -> ...VIIIVVIIIVVI...
< 1305455519 868902 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman polanski?
< 1305455531 135198 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T
< 1305455545 63088 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :period 2 loop which doesn't expand, although it's already infinite both ways
< 1305455602 317812 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it only expands internally whenever there are exactly 4 I's in a row
< 1305455636 632942 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i conclude that the version with 4 = IIII never expands, except at the ends
< 1305455646 989771 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no exponential blowup for that one
< 1305455832 539842 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit has somethinged the last straw
< 1305455838 116134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :criticism of the hitchhiker's guide
< 1305455864 42069 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ...IIVVIIVV... -> ...IIIIIVIIIIIV... -> VIIVVIIV... so that loops too
< 1305455931 8597 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(expand = increasing the number of groups, btw)
< 1305455945 239723 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the roman numeral look and say?
< 1305455954 455265 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look and say with roman numerals
< 1305455985 407697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is?
< 1305456067 956972 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved l = map (([undefined,"I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . length &&& head) . group in iterate ved "I"
< 1305456068 543757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a] -> [([GHC.Types.Char], a)]'
< 1305456068 678075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        again...
< 1305456072 953332 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erp
< 1305456101 930740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, http://oeis.org/A005150 and http://oeis.org/A098595
< 1305456138 839060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's interesting about it?
< 1305456171 93148 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [undefined, eww
< 1305456171 783279 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved l = concatMap (curry (++) . (show . ([undefined,"I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
< 1305456172 469189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
< 1305456172 557553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `b1 -> (a,...
< 1305456179 898598 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1305456188 370057 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved l = concatMap (curry (++) . (show . (["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . succ . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
< 1305456189 147749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
< 1305456189 235960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `b1 -> (a,...
< 1305456194 207214 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305456197 440623 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh
< 1305456198 425361 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved l = concatMap (curry (++) . (show . (["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
< 1305456199 127270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
< 1305456199 215703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `b1 -> (a,...
< 1305456336 276240 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved l = concatMap (uncurry (++) . ((["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
< 1305456336 851308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> [GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1305456336 939371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ...
< 1305456361 379744 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved l = concatMap (uncurry (++) . ((["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in ved "I"
< 1305456362 41285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
< 1305456362 450326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             ([GHC....
< 1305456383 340605 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305456392 492955 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ved = concatMap (uncurry (++) . ((["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
< 1305456393 875877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["I","II","III","IIII","IVI","IIIVII","IIIIIVIII","VIIVIIII","IVIIIIVIVI","...
< 1305456416 221444 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you adopted my improvement
< 1305456417 399311 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god
< 1305456428 17346 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was all ready with the newspaper about to start some whacking
< 1305456445 252554 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it just occured to me i hadn't seen an analysis of it, unlikely ordinary, binary and ternary
< 1305456461 768804 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unlike
< 1305456476 719747 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw the wiki spam continues...
< 1305456480 803294 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . Language list‎; 23:58 . . (-82) . . 94.100.25.42 (Talk) (, http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7DF36DB4UAO54HNWTPB2GQZOQE/blog/articles/329045 courtney thorne-smith nude, =-D, http://gemmaartertonsexsceneovx.tumblr.com gemma arterton sex scene, zyhoph, http://thesand)
< 1305456482 292347 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1305456483 112325 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows how that got through
< 1305456487 956852 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: much subdued however
< 1305456497 781344 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gemmaartertonsexsceneovx.tumblr.com/
< 1305456500 85510 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new favourite website
< 1305456502 940261 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it may be they actually have to solve the captchas now?
< 1305456507 360664 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: evidently :D
< 1305456513 458205 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either they've figured out how, or are paying people to do so
< 1305456524 628544 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the latter, I suggest we do absolutely nothing >:)
< 1305456576 812734 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the two i recall recently have both been against the Language list
< 1305456631 620549 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did see a brief mention of roman numeral look-and-say in a reddit thread when googling though
< 1305456639 459331 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're tavrosvandals, obviously
< 1305456645 495910 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, just typo'd vandal as vandle
< 1305456647 98900 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an odd typo
< 1305456650 319934 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . Talk:Unparseable‎; 15:27 . . (+363) . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (but isn't the prupose of a loop to repeat things?)
< 1305456651 237754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRUPOS
< 1305456652 408286 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRUPOSE
< 1305456655 459482 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tavros?
< 1305456663 13750 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yet another homestuck reference >:)
< 1305456671 190934 :oerjan!50cadc46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.202.220.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1305456681 922404 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference pile doesnt stop from getting taller.
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< 1305457026 393179 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw re: "haven't kept up on homestuck this week" - well an eight day hiatus just ended so you haven't missed much :D
< 1305457697 262329 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never use /list on freenode
< 1305457776 407049 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not
< 1305457778 276411 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it occasionally
< 1305457820 57336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia's feeble brain cannot handle all the channels.
< 1305457824 219980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them.
< 1305457829 958572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except -minecraft.
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< 1305462345 631984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril's schemes become yet more apparent.
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< 1305463544 82097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCHEMES
< 1305463544 169908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINNISH SCHEMES
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< 1305465784 704656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: btw re: "haven't kept up on homestuck this week" - well an eight day hiatus just ended so you haven't missed much :D <-- aqh
< 1305465785 677455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah*
< 1305465798 920587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, also: Flash update.
< 1305465805 7344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll probably hate it.
< 1305465810 961061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, meh, that means another computer than this one anyway
< 1305466147 500029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, why, is your current computer impossible to run Flash on?
< 1305466183 278871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes. This is not even x86.
< 1305466204 119484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could run it under qemu but that sounds painful
< 1305466217 782488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1305466323 944253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back (quicker than I expected)
< 1305466348 63650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, btw did you know that you can't run minecraft if you use an external monitor connected to a laptop and turn off the built in one
< 1305466351 676769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will crash on startup
< 1305466371 171129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to turn on the internal one until you get to the main menu
< 1305466373 425449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible coding? In MY Minecraft?
< 1305466384 594294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I blame either notch or lwjgl
< 1305466388 784168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed in the latter iirc
< 1305466411 100034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I doubt minecraft runs on THIS thing, what with the handful of JNI libraries it uses...)
< 1305466433 963234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try
< 1305466462 868586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm nope, crashes.
< 1305466483 568240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I would be surprised if he supported linux on ppc
< 1305466495 360158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl again
< 1305467776 773371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really quite ridiculous the amount of music Homestuck can have on the earlier Flash scenes.
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< 1305468039 942826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Rose lives in Europe.
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< 1305476694 358032 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, like four different articles i've read in succession were about or by peter norvig
< 1305477825 140534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Fun Fact:  You can delete most spam and blogs by adding -com to your search terms." — Scroogle
< 1305477838 924649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is so stupid it hurts.
< 1305478389 79851 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhos
< 1305478534 374877 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is there a quine of knuth's literate programming book?
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< 1305479552 695018 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
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< 1305482912 136256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305482913 98828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305482913 394351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305482913 697993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305482914 20927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305482915 115861 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​404)  oerjan you're swedish, right?
< 1305482915 600533 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​193)  it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily.
< 1305482916 802747 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​311)  If you want to use TeX formats invented by Christians, use Plain TeX. However, I do not think the religion of its author is a good way to decide what to use. I decide to use Plain TeX for its own reasons.
< 1305482917 751651 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​243)  My quotes are boring
< 1305482918 961258 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​347)  it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
< 1305482958 622044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is proven.
< 1305482974 821325 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :)
< 1305483288 470015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: could be worse, most of my quotes are about django not being named after a giraffe
< 1305483319 913528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People who sit there and talk about it don't realize that molecules themselves are somewhat hypothetical, and that their interactions are more so, and that the biological reactions are even more so."
< 1305483330 75784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man who said this was the recipient of a Nobel Prize.
< 1305483333 247370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In chemistry.
< 1305483338 841135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a biochemical discovery.
< 1305483596 159867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305483606 236340 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what
< 1305483617 337224 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang should have a list of languages that have monads
< 1305484056 751659 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does befunge have monads?
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< 1305485473 344823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION logreads, regrets the absence of /ignore.
< 1305485515 939466 :Mannerisk!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1305487967 185430 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305487968 403735 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​329)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1305488002 172690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the matrix of solidity.
< 1305489046 556798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305489048 172684 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​273)  hey speaking of young, some kinds asked me to buy some tobacco for them and i did, and then they were all likd "wow that guy's coool" when i told them i don't need their money
< 1305489062 655603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote quintopia
< 1305489064 235050 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​242)  quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror   typing is kind of difficult \ 264)  vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly    quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P    being an
< 1305489090 763137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes quintopia
< 1305489092 484873 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26346
< 1305489094 704527 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 264
< 1305489096 361164 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​264)  vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly    quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P    being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too
< 1305489111 940910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone preëmpted egotism.
< 1305489136 258938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised that i even have two quotes
< 1305489198 477071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Sgeo
< 1305489200 92817 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11518
< 1305489276 79988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, 136 is basically a summary of why shutup had sex as a trigger.
< 1305489326 989235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :371)  I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me
< 1305489355 913697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying for sure that you believe LEM to be true?
< 1305489433 630358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, 343 is pretty hilarious
< 1305489437 703258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean for a mathematical statement to be "true" without referring to the axioms in which you're asking such a question?
< 1305489452 704119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 343
< 1305489454 137035 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​343) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.)  00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric.
< 1305489466 804190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, OK, you were stating it as an axiom.
< 1305489488 708420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: it's convenient for mathematicians not to reference the axiom set every time they make a statement
< 1305489545 653777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most papers, there is an implied "assume some set of axioms equivalent to the peano axioms"...there are many equivalent number-theory-complete axiom sets.
< 1305490293 925106 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's typically ZFC
< 1305490305 857175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305490322 271859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they avoid AoC when it's not needed
< 1305490333 671801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZF is pretty common tho
< 1305490385 463812 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite what people will say, AoC is pretty common in my experience
< 1305490416 315908 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lose so many useful properties of infinite sets without it
< 1305490509 501510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Amb and lols at Haskell's amb = id
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< 1305490511 142305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305490534 506162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does amb do, again?
< 1305490540 854958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305490687 973896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the Mathematica code in that article, vomits.
< 1305490699 250350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although most of them make me vomit these days.
< 1305490711 575454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should have that vomiting checked out
< 1305490715 718943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be an illness of some kind
< 1305490733 414494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I won't try to learn Common Lisp
< 1305490738 985044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I basically underwent quantum tunnelling from "bright-eyed amateur" to "jaded theoretician" without undergoing any of the intermittent experience.
< 1305490759 832070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's probably worth learning for CLOS alone, which I remember little of beyond "it was awesome".
< 1305490776 913579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have Factor's predicate classes
< 1305490782 775206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1305490791 6466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know if that's what Factor calls them
< 1305490791 810086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predicate classes?
< 1305490823 135764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in an object is in a class if it satisfies a certain predicate?
< 1305490827 860674 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: with regards to what? (the quantum tunneling)
< 1305490849 659314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-PREDICATE__colon__%2Csyntax.html
< 1305490852 876010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes
< 1305490903 644998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, as in, I underwent the entire "programming is great! Wait, bored now" sequence *after finishing only two substantial programs".
< 1305490910 471368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"./*./
< 1305490915 312699 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: define substantial
< 1305490931 531352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, actually does something other than "Hello, world!"
< 1305490934 970093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm barely joking.
< 1305490939 386460 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's your problem
< 1305490949 349032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, did I ever say it wasn't?
< 1305490961 814711 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :go work on something with 10k+ LOC
< 1305490994 603252 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that make it more fun?
< 1305491004 660436 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get a sense of accomplishment
< 1305491025 362643 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just writing lame things does not a sense of accomplishment give
< 1305491035 276994 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make sure it has some practical use
< 1305491049 718952 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing windows calculator 34.0 is not entertaining at all
< 1305491644 753274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that one they made for that  one tdwtf competition that used every aspect of web 2.0 to accomplishh the calculations would have been entertaining
< 1305491869 873632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my father has spilt wine on the family MacBook.
< 1305491890 216203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am of course expected to magically fix this because I Know About Computers.
< 1305491993 32663 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suggest the flowchart
< 1305492023 240159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're referring to that xkcd flowchart then please go away.
< 1305492093 94755 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, /away ed
< 1305492148 836695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine in laptop? --> Remove wine from laptop.
< 1305492189 214827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get remove wine
< 1305492205 196425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is  why you put linux on a macbook
< 1305492268 504978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, I did install Darwine on it.
< 1305492271 871126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, there's a Mac port.
< 1305492278 29604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thing I ever compiled.
< 1305492278 980775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/hbyjm/i_am_dave_one_of_the_creators_of_cyanide/c1u7gdb
< 1305492301 65715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It disturbs me that despite most of my family being from Belfast I cannot read this in a Belfast accent.
< 1305492392 9564 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant either
< 1305492417 142543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is most of your family from Belfast?
< 1305492456 571911 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305492484 493090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt say "mine too and neither can i"
< 1305492494 770073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore i was only reflecting the last phrase
< 1305493001 278982 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I think I basically underwent quantum tunnelling from "bright-eyed amateur" to "jaded theoretician" without undergoing any of the intermittent experience." <<< been there man
< 1305493047 881223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, weren't you, like, doing CS at university before joining the legion on the dam?
< 1305493055 511363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathematical dam.
< 1305493222 454089 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305493280 54837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just like that...
< 1305493305 602729 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305493337 237642 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:04:  I guess I could run it under qemu but that sounds painful
< 1305493340 535408 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be way too slow.
< 1305493349 581374 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, it's an [S], so plug in some damn speakers
< 1305493358 615735 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:00:39:  Hey, Rose lives in Europe.
< 1305493360 232264 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? No.
< 1305493362 75404 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New York.
< 1305493367 818871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, erm, what?
< 1305493368 598821 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(State, that is.)
< 1305493379 6080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end of Ascend makes it look more to the east than that.
< 1305493385 494102 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Lives in
< 1305493385 951968 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :	
< 1305493386 33966 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rose's House, an isolated mansion in the woods. (Rainbow Falls, New York)
< 1305493393 298299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1305493395 364110 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The home of Rose and her Mom. Money doesn't seem to be an object with the Lalondes; their artistically angular house is a modernist architectural marvel, situated on Rainbow Falls, a waterfall in Adirondacks park, New York, much like Fallingwater."
< 1305493399 522646 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno the source, but yeah.
< 1305493434 208948 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 NICK :elliott
< 1305493447 752856 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.253.77 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1305493524 569782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51:51:  Someone preëmpted egotism.
< 1305493524 651895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1305493525 442734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?
< 1305493530 191193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a search mechanism
< 1305493541 935868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54:36:  Sgeo, 136 is basically a summary of why shutup had sex as a trigger.
< 1305493545 846399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, like I said, that was the heuristics.
< 1305493599 795338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that it was why it triggered the heuristics.
< 1305493615 139922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not for I to delve into the mysterious mind of FATE.
< 1305493696 325335 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305493729 683848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:22:19:  Phantom_Hoover: that's your problem
< 1305493729 893414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:22:29:  coppro, did I ever say it wasn't?
< 1305493729 975568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:22:41:  go work on something with 10k+ LOC
< 1305493737 369987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm bored."  "Do something SOULCRUSHING."
< 1305493753 547814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything a program of mcmap's size is far more appropriate for that, but honestly, no.
< 1305493762 36747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:23:45:  just writing lame things does not a sense of accomplishment give
< 1305493765 46164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should have told him that I can barely read my own programs after a day or so.
< 1305493765 683133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity.lisp wasn't lame.
< 1305493765 781104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Merely bored? Do something SOULCRUSHING!"
< 1305493786 364484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, it had that state-of-the-art UI.
< 1305493808 456097 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305493835 604270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305493837 491115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/hbyjm/i_am_dave_one_of_the_creators_of_cyanide/c1u7gdb <-- I uncontrollably read this in Dara O'Brien's voice
< 1305493875 250581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's the kind of thing you expect from an Englishman, but I am probably meant to hold a higher standard.
< 1305493890 334659 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[05:04:17]  He also believes that Goldbach's conjecture and the Collatz conjecture are both true, and that there are infinitely many pairs of twin primes but their frequency drops very quickly." <<< well obviously these are all true
< 1305493907 643307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a beautiful place"
< 1305493916 566717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY THE MAN IS SUFFERING FROM NOSTALGIA
< 1305493946 113023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB: it is quite pretty when it's not raining, but this does not excuse the fact that the only ISP anyone uses is BT.)
< 1305493972 359443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INEXCUSABLE
< 1305494010 700396 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking car travel.
< 1305494041 316680 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 mile car trips make pikhq sore.
< 1305494055 454499 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conjectures tend to be true.
< 1305494080 700405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is a rabbit and every number is 99.
< 1305494084 816017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby conjecture this.
< 1305494092 979551 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aiee!  Your ruined it!
< 1305494094 939225 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r//
< 1305494110 957170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, you only said TEND.
< 1305494132 460712 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok, weren't you, like, doing CS at university before joining the legion on the dam?" <<< yes, and also actually programming
< 1305494140 919389 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aiee!  You ruined the fact that you ruined it!
< 1305494196 110863 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never refuted a conjecture
< 1305494207 848989 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have made a conjecture that was later refuted .(
< 1305494211 348923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, see, it took me about 2 years to go from "hey, what's this programming thing" to "meh, programming is boring."
< 1305494234 468402 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it took until i found math
< 1305494236 892893 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the Two-Eye Conjecture?
< 1305494239 630724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: all you're really doing is waiting for at to come out.
< 1305494254 816654 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what 15 years
< 1305494267 826931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. Yes I am.
< 1305494294 308622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll be like woo look gravity.lisp version two
< 1305494305 986436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Lisp is gravity.lisp?
< 1305494309 766175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL, or something else?
< 1305494310 495353 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's at?
< 1305494326 466392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: [at sign[
< 1305494327 257810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]
< 1305494329 369817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this OS thing.
< 1305494331 587595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cL
< 1305494374 918118 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nope
< 1305494379 108528 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how i google at?
< 1305494452 727091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: unfortunately you can't since it isn't on the interwebnets
< 1305494489 696088 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1305494501 613086 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much easier to Google How to Train Your Dragon 2.
< 1305494592 345919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll rename it to that then
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< 1305495394 557050 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
< 1305496883 209236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:12:  *walk
< 1305496883 521248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:16:  ops
< 1305496883 603259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:18: * SimonRC goes for a wak.
< 1305496946 148358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wackity yak-wak
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< 1305497229 126498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan perfect timing
< 1305497875 915034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21:10: * oklokok lols as he dies of blood loss
< 1305497955 960624 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual quote? :D
< 1305497967 501512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :D
< 1305497974 565983 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is being "he" in this quotation?
< 1305497981 359465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok
< 1305497984 804430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got stabbed
< 1305497996 251179 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are oklokok and oklofok the same?
< 1305497998 765199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305498000 610864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p454332531.txt hey oklofok remember this
< 1305498057 205692 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :\
< 1305498057 313792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:18:20:  also, oklotalk looks like line noise when used correctly.
< 1305498057 836763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:18:30:  i've just denoicified it to be pretty
< 1305498181 279876 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh wait actually i do, was that the syntax of oklotalk "regexps"?
< 1305498200 872501 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more ambitious than regexps but anyhow
< 1305498222 195057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305498263 926534 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i actually read it in all it's complicatedness, i note that that's kind of obvious
< 1305498281 161779 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1305498314 310675 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, mortals actually *do* get sub-perfect scores on the "science" portion of the ACT. Strange.
< 1305498315 470708 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic scoping <3
< 1305498325 270658 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305498329 763453 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know reading common representations of data was hard.
< 1305498339 990555 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic AND static scoping AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN <3
< 1305498346 231086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VARIABLES
< 1305498349 293940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS THAN THREE
< 1305498411 210952 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code snippet is pretty crazy, i should finish oklotalk
< 1305498424 139807 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after clue
< 1305498445 223268 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is oklotalk?
< 1305498448 656872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305498450 641505 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is oklotalk
< 1305498458 616250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305498459 412465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is life
< 1305498463 764719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is... truth
< 1305498469 396038 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what is a homeomorphism
< 1305498471 710988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is?
< 1305498474 350687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1305498477 598628 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh
< 1305498490 6358 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?`
< 1305498490 88431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v
< 1305498493 806306 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1305498511 588003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? what is...this? does this happen or do i make it happen? does it just happen or happen?
< 1305498511 830766 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305498522 809723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I think the Luddites were judged far too cruelly by history.
< 1305498602 319474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your D&D characters drink?
< 1305498644 135492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my ddnadn charcaters are cripling alcoholics
< 1305498652 233260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cut peoples legs off
< 1305498667 571885 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1305498674 537940 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ve played dd once, but i don't remember
< 1305498702 781059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is drunk enough to write letters mixed up a bit?
< 1305498708 867142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305498721 619278 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't mean only alcoholic I mean all drink including magic potion
< 1305498736 202174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, have you gone nuts?
< 1305498746 816201 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does alcoholic include drug use?
< 1305498761 861050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:04:35:  GregorR: do you know perl?
< 1305498762 106919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:04:41:  Sadly.
< 1305498776 76110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvaxamJyTro
< 1305498795 27323 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I guess it would include alcoholic drugs
< 1305498813 714280 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dose that menasfda
< 1305498841 614653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, please tell me that's a joke.
< 1305498849 534294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if it is it's fantastic.
< 1305498854 76681 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what does that mean
< 1305498875 59087 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: What are you refering to?
< 1305498890 212012 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: alcoholic drugs
< 1305498918 699367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305498922 676188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: did you ever finish cise
< 1305498925 622021 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I don't know.
< 1305498955 391038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's a joke. that guy has the strangest sense of humor, but it works somehow
< 1305498966 899667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think how cise should work is, you have a predicate that orders operations by commonality, where even full programs count as operations, and then cise just splits the program into chunks of variable bytes, all possible splittings of it
< 1305498971 86589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1305498978 487020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :picks an operation, the shorter the more common
< 1305498983 16732 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no :(
< 1305498988 493334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the most-common program operation that results is chosen
< 1305498992 395026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but that's like optimal :trollface:
< 1305499000 593355 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no as in never finished it
< 1305499010 139829 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although great answer to what you just said as well
< 1305499013 876919 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it!
< 1305499015 359970 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :(
< 1305499106 993237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey how can i force vim to quit with no exclamation mark...
< 1305499141 983970 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is why you should fix your computer.
< 1305499146 963586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't edit the file
< 1305499162 586038 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ZQ
< 1305499166 849824 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is a better reason to fix it than for the purpose of typing messages on IRC, I think
< 1305499198 143769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thanks
< 1305499260 970174 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess lack of exclamation marks also means you can learn these kind of things too
< 1305499282 249188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew ZZ but I didn't know there was a ZQ command
< 1305499289 970451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's one that only works in vim
< 1305499296 236000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi doesn't support that
< 1305499669 656139 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305499866 370684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1305500862 336929 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the future, due to general misspeaking, the pronunciations of "captain" and "cat pan" will be reversed.
< 1305500999 883757 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a cat pan
< 1305501049 370879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :captain catpan here
< 1305501062 349813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305501069 375465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p645463521.txt
< 1305501510 770108 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-236.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305501569 454794 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-236.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to a book sale today, got a bunch of computer books for two bucks apiece.
< 1305501646 356718 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-236.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now soon have the knolodge on how to program VAX assembly.
< 1305501667 349125 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Another name for "litter box" :P
< 1305501726 214330 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.96.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305502079 176020 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-72-18-49-236.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net QUIT :Quit: Pardon me, but I have to die in NetHack again.
< 1305503127 317413 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, I need to restart X in order to have any new GTK programs spawn. Bollocks.
< 1305503225 949210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat
< 1305503232 635992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that never happens to me
< 1305504519 905527 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1305505841 583776 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-11-2.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305505932 636684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1305506198 258318 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*What the hell* is going on.
< 1305506235 425254 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regards to what?
< 1305506244 30667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfwm4 is not starting.
< 1305506284 37243 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305506291 726029 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you meant something like terrorists
< 1305506294 872658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1305506306 380546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: xfwm4 sucks anyway :(
< 1305506311 502121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you have click to focus on, then scroll-wheel focuses
< 1305506428 347748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines"
< 1305506429 482424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stanislav.
< 1305506430 766542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your titling.
< 1305506433 252249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is ridiculous.
< 1305506703 782596 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305506859 942339 :_kiwi_!~Administr@CPE-124-185-16-254.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au PART #esoteric :"Leaving."
< 1305506934 434273 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. A fork of KDE3 is still maintained; *tempting*.
< 1305506940 143417 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oooh
< 1305506943 196510 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's its name?
< 1305506950 96197 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trinity
< 1305506990 522664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've talked to the maintainer of that
< 1305506993 145518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems nice enough :P
< 1305507707 961472 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarkenenkohan minä ulkona näillä vaatteilla?
< 1305508212 446639 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305508582 775491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed!
< 1305509530 814757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305509605 608984 :Vorpal_!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
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< 1305512417 757719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win!
< 1305512438 211541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me way too much of a Christian song I heard once
< 1305512445 72214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a catchy rythm though
< 1305512463 299966 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does?
< 1305512547 726095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Christian song?
< 1305512586 834694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find it, hold on
< 1305512609 645266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Feather&curid=3601&diff=22891&oldid=20446
< 1305512610 285836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305512611 179095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRHiEbCKIE
< 1305512626 19484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning: It's... very ... uh)
< 1305512627 730719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki just asked me to solve 92 + 0
< 1305512630 553698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard
< 1305512675 416093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this is amazing Sgeo
< 1305512690 104734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I mean the title, not the video
< 1305512699 175078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Live Free"
< 1305512708 944364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1305512729 474686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thsi is amazing its so bad
< 1305512744 242366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha I win even more than "hemflit"
< 1305512760 649768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat
< 1305512766 264992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh anagolf
< 1305512791 118297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like the musical sounds, even if the lyrics are a bit... creepy
< 1305512884 169143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you try? (O, wait, I think you can't, isn't it?)
< 1305512903 417582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Try what?
< 1305512915 565990 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can win even more?
< 1305512922 860567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why couldn't I?
< 1305512938 94967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I'm rank 129.
< 1305512938 210846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some of the keys on your computer are broken?
< 1305512940 661952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun rebəl () (take-too-seriously 'bible))
< 1305512951 744002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can insert digits in other ways, it just takes a little longer.
< 1305512963 413951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then perhaps you can.
< 1305512972 492153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mostly skipped anagolf lately because the challenges have been boring.
< 1305512990 262195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean the Deadfish challenge to be specific, that is the one I win at AWK
< 1305513022 559646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I did not win at C but maybe I can try harder and see if I can eventually win, or maybe not
< 1305513085 280482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you think some of challenges have been boring, then make a new one if you know how to make something more interesting
< 1305513173 896444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you win at Forth?
< 1305513464 665783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, he argues against Philisophical relativism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zBcXKVaFg8
< 1305513722 12167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He attempts to blow off secular humanism in a similar way :/. That argument was clearly crap, maybe his argument against relativism is similarly crap?
< 1305513724 176149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1305513869 863236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there musical TFM format? If not, maybe I can invent it same as normal TFM format, just with different meanings for the font dimension parameters and so on
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< 1305515517 749778 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so, so very freaky talking to my dad now.
< 1305515539 448382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm?
< 1305515547 311810 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes immense self-restraint to not just shout "Your very premises about reality are demonstrably wrong!"
< 1305515557 450765 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that way too
< 1305515601 153562 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made worse by how I have yet to even say that I'm an atheist to him, for fear of never hearing the end of it from everyone around me.
< 1305515722 86466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father is atheist
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< 1305515774 524507 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father is a fundamentalist Christian, and believes in a loving, omnipotent, smiting deity.
< 1305515790 968201 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, benevolent and smiting.
< 1305515859 53266 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he's a young-earth creationist.
< 1305515868 861231 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh
< 1305515912 811918 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my whole family is catholic (but im atheist)
< 1305515947 71703 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very hard to believe that considering the gigantic towers of evidence in favor of an old, *old* Earth in an even older universe.
< 1305515966 52142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more annoyed my my step-mom's insistance that I only date Jewish girls, that I go to Israel for some time, etc.
< 1305515990 195394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "I refuse to reside in an apartheid state." is the proper answer to the latter.
< 1305516075 111471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely attempts to get Chicken Scheme working
< 1305516091 330378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _still_ haven't settled on a LISP-family language
< 1305516214 370898 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305516256 867613 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to settle on one, do you?
< 1305516262 649633 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just learn a bunch of them
< 1305516294 469936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not writing 3 AW SDK bindings for 3 similar yet different languages...
< 1305516304 452161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets shot by everyone in this channel.
< 1305516367 802394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :切腹して!
< 1305516376 461575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
< 1305516385 632510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know whether to curse XChat or Windows
< 1305516393 626019 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both.
< 1305516436 928317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like a Linux distro with a working battery meter on this computer -- i.e., doesn't break when I don't deactivate ACPI (or is it ACIP, or APIC, I can never remember?)
< 1305516472 525164 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know battery meters were coupled with distros
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< 1305516490 500720 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you insane or have you only tried sucky distros
< 1305516509 105861 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, kanji. ;-;
< 1305516536 801352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that distros are somewhat coupled with "Does ACPI work or will the OS fail to boot if I don't deactivate it?"
< 1305516602 568999 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Oh, boohoo. Only take you a month or two of dedicated study.
< 1305516612 118798 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would acpi not work
< 1305516615 573024 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at becoming dedicated.
< 1305516615 897031 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[
< 1305516617 462926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: But lemme transcribe that for you.
< 1305516622 38248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: せっぷくして!
< 1305516626 201445 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that even a distro problem
< 1305516634 781388 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Kernel problem.
< 1305516638 966712 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what I thought
< 1305516639 465842 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BIOS problem.
< 1305516644 750522 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too I guess
< 1305516647 934398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wget: command not found"
< 1305516659 479009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION angers in MinGW's general direction
< 1305516672 834368 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACPI is one of the few cases where the BIOS has *any* influence on the system after the boot sector has been loaded into memory.
< 1305516673 732762 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess we know why it says "Min" now.
< 1305516677 32012 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a modern system)
< 1305516715 508141 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why would it have wget? MinGW itself only really has a GCC port and headers, and msys only has enough of a POSIX system to get the GNU build system to work.
< 1305516724 440612 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: could you get a fancy kernel to fix your problem
< 1305516737 106091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, if I had any idea how..
< 1305516748 652319 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what, exactly, I'm looking for, besides "Works"
< 1305516761 32160 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you told google your problem
< 1305516774 63140 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What he'd want to fix his problem is a large quantity of troubleshooting.
< 1305516797 572318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution that I found a while ago was to disable acpi.
< 1305516798 290224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, given that he's got a failure to boot, it seems plausible he'd need a kernel debugging setup to make any meaningful progress.
< 1305516809 762047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acpi=off or was it noacpi
< 1305516814 879208 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acpi=off.
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< 1305517181 231655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Made worse by how I have yet to even say that I'm an atheist to him, for fear of never hearing the end of it from everyone around me.
< 1305517197 862751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "I don't really feel very religious" is an easier way to phrase it I think
< 1305517213 133569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some anathema in America to the word "atheist" that seemingly isn't associated with actually being an atheist, just identifying as "atheist"
< 1305517221 182305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People in #math seem to be assuming that everyone that comes in there is a genius, and fail to realize that someone who asked a question may not realize a subtely in their response
< 1305517223 221825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, he's a young-earth creationist.
< 1305517226 162555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Then you're fucked.
< 1305517241 597366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm more annoyed my my step-mom's insistance that I only date Jewish girls, that I go to Israel for some time, etc.
< 1305517241 830413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: "I refuse to reside in an apartheid state." is the proper answer to the latter.
< 1305517242 427213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1305517278 169748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "wget: command not found"
< 1305517279 682347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo angers in MinGW's general direction
< 1305517285 546384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingw is a gcc port, not a posix library
< 1305517304 658875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : People in #math seem to be assuming that everyone that comes in there is a genius, and fail to realize that someone who asked a question may not realize a subtely in their response
< 1305517311 76974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they realise it's not the case but don't give a shit.
< 1305517338 83927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody in #math will be a genius. well maybe a few people. but the standard for genius is quite high.
< 1305517350 506643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean they're not geniuses but assume the askers are geniuses
< 1305517357 857286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could only manifest as... grovelling?
< 1305517363 477858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sorry
< 1305517365 928474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I meant
< 1305517369 437222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr dog
< 1305517395 26860 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ahahahah*.
< 1305517409 160934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ?
< 1305517409 674354 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My processor has the following serial number: "To Be Filled By O.E.M."
< 1305517421 367232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :D
< 1305517510 538560 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's pretty insane the amount of information hwinfo can get.
< 1305517524 892786 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am literally looking at an enumeration of the ports on the back of my computer.
< 1305517570 235381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With their types, the internal header they're soldered to, the external label, and the type of socket it has.
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< 1305517889 471580 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...
< 1305517906 745156 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to override a password in the CMOS if you have root access?
< 1305517945 228517 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean "possible" or "feasible"?
< 1305517990 71765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both would be interesting.
< 1305518005 193712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feasible" I doubt.
< 1305518031 531713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "possible", most certainly, *if* you have some way of executing code in the kernel (via modules or /dev/kmem) and a flashable BIOS.
< 1305518057 180402 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Simply" flash the BIOS from the kernel.
< 1305518079 409156 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby adding executable code to the BIOS that will override its password check.
< 1305518130 477618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, it's certainly possible to read it...
< 1305518154 316329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for some BIOSes
< 1305518180 556428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you can read it, surely you can change it in the normal way?
< 1305518196 683541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I've done the reading bit before, on a 2000 era computer though)
< 1305518266 631073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i want to implement an esolang
< 1305518314 142509 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, implement BrainFuck++
< 1305518321 259208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's BrainFuck, except with an additional command ?
< 1305518342 384934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads a Brainfuck program from tape, until it finds a null byte, and sets that null byte to 0 if the program halts, or 1 if it dosn't.
< 1305518357 203713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Define "Windows" person
< 1305518357 409754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, in this case, someone who would know what to do after attempting to reset a Windows 7 password failed and resulted in the system endlessly rebooting
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< 1305518380 589924 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what did that person try?
< 1305518384 712735 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to do)
< 1305518400 48911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Rambler> clearly i shouldn't have disabled SYSKEY using chntpw on a Windows 7 system
< 1305518405 733235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, forgot to redact their nick
< 1305518409 856176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, implement BrainFuck++
< 1305518410 194534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's BrainFuck, except with an additional command ?
< 1305518410 276317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It reads a Brainfuck program from tape, until it finds a null byte, and sets that null byte to 0 if the program halts, or 1 if it dosn't.
< 1305518410 880475 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wince*
< 1305518412 839089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like Spoon but not as fun.
< 1305518420 197248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HAHAHAHA NOW I WILL FIND THEM
< 1305518421 567236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUNT THEM DOWN
< 1305518422 818081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND KILL THEM
< 1305518428 468296 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they make programs that require a lot of other dependencies and so on to make it work, even when it could be done in a different way that can work otherwise?
< 1305518432 36005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, not on freenode.
< 1305518435 924435 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Laziness.
< 1305518441 484941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, are you capable of helping em?
< 1305518455 854460 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Alternately, personal taste.
< 1305518457 448934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1305518458 619219 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quite often bad.
< 1305518468 324920 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unless I tell them to write "reinstall"
< 1305518471 928032 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell them to*
< 1305518482 532624 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea how she wrote what she did
< 1305518491 817998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounds like an idiot, let's not help him.
< 1305518504 829905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~SOCIAL DARWINISM~
< 1305518529 871285 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounds like an idiot, let's kill him and eat his flesh.
< 1305518541 491294 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~CANNIBALISM~
< 1305518543 965167 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this plan
< 1305518729 829507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're still on Debian testing/Xfce, right?
< 1305518732 188592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm distroshopping.
< 1305518738 54964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't stay on old Ubuntu forever.
< 1305518837 765904 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am.
< 1305518853 116740 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gentoo
< 1305518869 998328 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1305518875 869409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I'm sorry -- I can't type coherently over how hard I'm laughing.
< 1305518885 113497 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305518887 900411 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo seems to have serious issues with maintaining reasonable levels of QA on their packaging.
< 1305518888 533374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I'll let the actual Gentoo deconvert (pikhq) handle this one.
< 1305518912 251519 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware. I only used Gentoo briefly
< 1305518915 456979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1305518917 366005 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just enjoy the reactions :D
< 1305518929 743490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's exactly one thing that would cause me to give Gentoo a shot -- if they supported non-standard configurations.
< 1305518933 743751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a non-glibc system with Gentoo.
< 1305518936 382283 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS is clearly superior~
< 1305518938 224538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a statically linked system with Gentoo.
< 1305518947 434407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/can't have/can't have anymore/
< 1305518949 46602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what the fuck is the point?!?!?!
< 1305518972 154605 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uclibc Gentoo ceased to be maintained in 2005, sadly.
< 1305518978 731016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Debian isn't frozen right now, right?
< 1305518988 350398 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian just came out of a feature freeze.
< 1305519000 243893 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be another year or two before another one.
< 1305519001 68930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just"? Is wheezy out?
< 1305519008 31634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeeze came out a while ago, dude :P
< 1305519012 526801 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, squeeze just came out in March.
< 1305519015 583552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305519016 187626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1305519016 928537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1305519019 763871 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1305519022 20999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, my perception of time is fucked.
< 1305519049 112059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason days are much longer right now. Not in the sense that they drag on, just in the sense that fucktons happen in a day.
< 1305519058 538012 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it seems *likely* that wheezy will see the introduction of a fourth Debian branch.
< 1305519063 766866 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling.
< 1305519067 607343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1305519069 597212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' A.
< 1305519081 900854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll be between testing and unstable?
< 1305519087 673398 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305519090 277414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that would be sooo sweat.
< 1305519091 212521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305519091 812309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet.
< 1305519093 341324 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, as you can imagine, intended to be an end-user rolling release system.
< 1305519095 297236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be sweat at all.
< 1305519104 956301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thus obsoleting Gregor's precious distro ;D ;D ;D
< 1305519153 845514 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still debated how best to *do* this, but they seem to be based *around* starting with testing's practices of importing packages from unstable after a few days/weeks.
< 1305519183 495710 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, obviously, not being affected by freezes for stable.
< 1305519189 811027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So where would that leave testing? Updates from rolling trickle down except when in a feature freeze?
< 1305519191 922785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, would it be:
< 1305519205 952485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolling comes from testing, but when testing is frozen, the testing policy is applied to sid, to pull updates into rolling?
< 1305519221 917798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. when testing is frozen, the sid->testing trickle-down policy switches to trickling-down into the agape mouth of rolling.
< 1305519226 165223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that sentence went horrible half-way through.
< 1305519227 990741 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are two different plans.
< 1305519233 833718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305519236 235804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any others? :P
< 1305519252 576103 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is to make testing be a release that only comes into existence for the sake of preparing a stable release.
< 1305519264 414807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forked from rolling, of course.
< 1305519297 925051 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still *another* is to make a monthly Debian release.
< 1305519330 972807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet another is to reform processes so the freeze for release is really short.
< 1305519350 965003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One might wonder whether the freeze actually helps.
< 1305519365 403871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would simply snapshotting testing regularly produce a lower-quality stable series?
< 1305519388 96501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freeze seems to be behind very odd choices like having a hybrid of two GNOME versions in the default install.
< 1305519451 799481 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They usually have a decent number of release-blocking bugs in testing.
< 1305519504 792669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but maybe their perception of release-blocking bugs sucks :)
< 1305519523 78731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, testing isn't exactly problematic to run as your workstation OS, even if you need things not to break.
< 1305519551 620390 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think "broken updates".
< 1305519602 194819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah.
< 1305519610 827997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I can't imagine a freeze needing longer than a few weeks.
< 1305519613 604793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If done properly.
< 1305519630 522264 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the "reforming process" proposal.
< 1305519639 897890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1305519708 490209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME TO ME PRECIOUS DEBIAN TESTING NETINST ISO.
< 1305519729 126483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I still find it hilarious that you can run the latest Debian on a four-eight-siz.
< 1305519729 815419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :six.
< 1305519825 585386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Pure [[Unlambda]], Unlambda without the `i` combinator and all IO operations, and lazily-evaluated data structures are used to define IO. For example, the Unlambda encoding of `[[1], (\x. [[2, x], 0])]` will be the [[cat program]] (1 means read line, 2 means print).
< 1305519828 110385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to reinvent lazy k badly
< 1305519837 483128 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise with Slackware.
< 1305519858 67583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but Slackware is old-school.
< 1305520027 191203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Debian's automatic Xfce install is pretty "bloated", isn't it? IIRC it included a load of rubbish programs I didn't care about...
< 1305520032 705758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just install Xfce manually after the fact.
< 1305520259 36711 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno; I installed the base distro and then added packages from there.
< 1305520324 655790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers refusing to use any timezone that isn't UTC.
< 1305520326 387570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Chicken Scheme a reasonable language for implementing esolangs?
< 1305520363 684279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up shut up shut up.
< 1305520375 70831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :updog?
< 1305520511 722974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Immortality notwithstanding, I'm not going to live forever, you know."
< 1305520607 954658 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True by law of excluded middle.
< 1305520638 141562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the context would grant such a law; how restrictive and all that.
< 1305520669 110007 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I either will or will not be immortal" seems a restatement of that.
< 1305520708 77684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop questioning the statements of an omniscient being.
< 1305520717 233306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foolish Debian installer, why would I want to create an ext[four] partition?
< 1305520718 908396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS exists, you know.
< 1305520756 139149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You consider ext4 to suck, I take it?
< 1305520785 325658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't suck.
< 1305520790 468666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But JFS is pretty much the best filesystem.
< 1305520792 560768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION donates some number row keys
< 1305520797 435146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ext4 is only a temporary measure.
< 1305520803 775956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12334567890#$%^&*()_+-=
< 1305520803 957543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obsolete by design in favour of btrfs, an Oracle-controlled clusterfuck.
< 1305520816 335724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas JFS is in the trustworthy hands of ... uhhhh ... IBM.
< 1305520886 486057 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305520901 504839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK people are now joining channels. This is scary.
< 1305520939 888034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to write programs that require few or no dependencies and can work mostly or entirely by itself.
< 1305520940 237185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott|afk
< 1305520943 559336 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about.
< 1305520981 552226 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell NIH syndrome.
< 1305520982 835648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I can imagine that that might be diffcult in some circumstances. What if you really needed to use, say, sqlite?
< 1305521000 352913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, zzo38 bathes in NIH syndrome
< 1305521003 911597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes there are some circumstances in which other things can be useful to include.
< 1305521008 286302 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, a kernel :P
< 1305521068 852885 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, the universe lasts a finite length of time, so it's actually true that the one saying it is both immortal (will live as long as time does) and won't live forever.
< 1305521117 535724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in case of TeXnicard, its only dependency (other than the standard C stuff) is LodePNG, which is a single module, has no other dependencies, and is statically compiled into the program.
< 1305521151 657583 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My policy on dependencies is "use it as long as you arn't adding too much size for too little functionality"
< 1305521168 853461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :External utility programs for TeXnicard might or might not be like this; it depends on the program; other people can write according to what is good that way.
< 1305521182 506777 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do you say "arn't" frequently? I seem to have this idea that you do, but I'm not actually sure of that.
< 1305521200 882618 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes. Even in LodePNG there is few functions and it is possible to disable some of them before compiling (which, in fact, I did disable some of the functions I didn't need, before compiling).
< 1305521238 380161 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that sqlite in particular would be about on par with LodePNG in zzo38's willingness to actually include it.
< 1305521250 788472 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sqlite is, like, four megs of source ;D
< 1305521253 741028 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it binary...
< 1305521257 739530 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source.
< 1305521285 840072 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .so is 636k.
< 1305521286 100657 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305521291 671530 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. smaller than libc.
< 1305521393 473910 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like debian-installer's flexibility.
< 1305521404 627606 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even make it install lilo for you.
< 1305521475 268114 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&diff=22857&oldid=22850
< 1305521483 44422 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tirelessly reverting vandalism of the sandboz
< 1305521484 520237 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandbox
< 1305521486 403012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also usually make a program which is in a single module
< 1305521487 628013 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; very, very rarely will you need to install via debootstrap.
< 1305521547 723819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is much need to revert vandalism in the sandbox because it is only for testing anyways and whoever types a message next can delete the spam or whatever else is already there
< 1305521650 846629 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you LodePNG is 280764 bytes of source (the source also includes documentation), and the .o file is 44011 bytes (when ANCILLARY_CHUNKS, UNKNOWN_CHUNKS, and ERROR_TEXT are disabled). The author of that program has also done some work with esoteric programming although that is irrelevant for purposes of LodePNG.
< 1305521782 463191 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The reason I suspect you'd be more willing to use sqlite than most programs is that it's both a relatively small library and so very, very functional. If you need a transactional database in your program (which, admittedly, seems like something you'd avoid), then sqlite is pretty much exactly what you want.
< 1305521819 920071 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really digging the debian-installer colour scheme... that's... why am I digging it.
< 1305521867 316887 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1305521908 1621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yes. In most programs I do not need a database, although I could use it if it is necessary to have a transactional database.
< 1305522193 71525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy four birthday Sgeo
< 1305522205 235836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1305522207 728749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I cannot figure out how to shorten my C code implementing Deadfish, any more than it is. (At least not yet.)
< 1305522242 807240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what?
< 1305522303 142136 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305522354 20460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: happy four birthday
< 1305522373 370973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I enter esoteric for the first time 4 years ago, or something?
< 1305522377 222232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is happy four birthday?
< 1305522380 405378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305522468 352690 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, rewrite it in Perl
< 1305522468 639463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you grep for Sgep too?
< 1305522537 680830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes, it can do Perl code golf too. My AWK code is shorter it is 39 bytes long, so I am good at that one, but at C, I didn't manage to shorten it. Rewriting it in a different programming language doesn't solve it; it just solves it for a different programming language.
< 1305522601 640029 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the current best Perl submission is 55, the best AWK is 39 (me; the other one is 40), the best C is 77 (mine is 81).
< 1305522645 909793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sgep birth helo
< 1305522649 209190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four
< 1305522663 152621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: *You* rewrite it in Perl if you are good at Perl to do it.
< 1305522668 47661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1305522678 337775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you missed the joke.
< 1305522752 668023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2005-12-27
< 1305522757 13719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm there
< 1305522768 232921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four birth
< 1305522788 351756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not four years old.
< 1305522820 612317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I assume you were in the past, isn't it?
< 1305522872 908902 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Are you good at Perl, though?
< 1305522890 287623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 1983-1984
< 1305522902 969168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no
< 1305522909 635771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1993-1994
< 1305522917 918454 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, don't really know the language.
< 1305522933 2187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't exist in 1984
< 1305522940 115752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much of Perl either, really
< 1305523048 209189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I know much of Objective-C other than that it is a strict superset of C (meaning when I send the C codes to the code golf, I also send it as Objective-C as well and it will work)
< 1305523195 719413 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re,sys;exec"i=0;"+"".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"sys.stdout.write(str(i)+'\\n')","s":"i*=i"}[x]+";"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c))
< 1305523199 342194 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python deadfish golf!
< 1305523234 913904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You can send submissions to http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish
< 1305523261 252918 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec is denied?
< 1305523261 857677 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[
< 1305523295 440782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except for shell scripts. And you can execute a single external program when using vi.
< 1305523337 46429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell scripts (Bash, fish, Zsh) always allow executing external programs, even if it says "exec is denied".
< 1305523339 775332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YouTube account Irratonalys has been terminated because we received multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including:
< 1305523340 112214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS
< 1305523340 194144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS
< 1305523340 194253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS"
< 1305523433 372686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "a single"?
< 1305523437 481380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, only once, or only one program?
< 1305523470 56304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only one program, and can only be executed once.
< 1305523524 252186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird.
< 1305523528 465976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can also call the shell in order to make that one execution, I guess.
< 1305523544 366809 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure "exec is denied" applies to Python's "exec" statement though, since it just runs Python code, not external programs. (Admittedly it can run code from file with it.)
< 1305523625 461094 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though...
< 1305523642 681221 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are shorter methods than compiling deadfish to python.
< 1305523644 118270 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually.
< 1305523660 856878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can it?
< 1305523665 358419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only execfile could do that.
< 1305523672 399132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0\n"+"".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]+"\n"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c))
< 1305523675 875550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean exec open(...).read()?
< 1305523680 376961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case that hardly counts.
< 1305523701 685697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: for a start, s/\n/;/
< 1305523726 353810 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's shorter with the \n
< 1305523727 191898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: The problem does not require compiling Deadfish, it only requires providing the correct output when the Deadfish commands are given in input.
< 1305523728 747486 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305523732 332161 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can use "print i" instead of "sys.blahblah"
< 1305523739 156378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, interpreting can also work even if it is not compiled.
< 1305523756 348452 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no.
< 1305523759 790801 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use print i; like that.
< 1305523770 698634 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0;"+"".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]+";"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c))
< 1305523771 534480 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1305523773 234327 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused.
< 1305523782 504510 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0;".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]+";"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c))
< 1305523784 504471 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that too.
< 1305523794 551505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not put ; before every statement?
< 1305523797 436359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can change i=0; to i=0
< 1305523802 864838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead of after.)
< 1305523871 497690 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :....
< 1305523872 352232 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1305523874 196673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that "exec is denied" does not apply to the Python "exec" command from what I can see the way it is being used. (But still, like I said, this would not be the same as that problem anyways)
< 1305523877 98875 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :join does not do what I think it does.
< 1305523895 146480 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import urllib2;exec urllib2.urlopen("someaddress").read()
< 1305523920 479657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Some system calls are denied. Including all internet access.
< 1305523965 455216 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c))
< 1305523978 930188 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a shorter way to remove all other characters than re?
< 1305524086 9176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know very well of Python, even though I have done some things in Python (some solitaire card games, and modifying a script for wiping hard drives)
< 1305524164 484445 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean exec open(...); if you give it an open file object, it parses it as Python code until EOF and executes.
< 1305524175 475629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right.
< 1305524218 302091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Hey ho, testing is broken right now.
< 1305524225 647408 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x] if x in"idos"else""for x in c)
< 1305524229 6893 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortest I can get it right now.
< 1305524251 836190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]if x in"idos"else""for x in c)
< 1305524255 723942 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, missed a space
< 1305524389 824301 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't   .get(x,"")   be much shorter than   [x]if x in"idos"else""   ?
< 1305524422 991276 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that?
< 1305524426 929977 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1305524460 710370 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}.get(x,"")for x in c)
< 1305524462 922467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Balls.
< 1305524476 304432 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would an interpretive approach be shorter than the code generation method?
< 1305524482 65382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}.get(x,"")for x in __import__('sys').stdout.read())
< 1305524534 889694 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305524535 811677 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1305524546 142995 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to work.
< 1305524552 511964 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, not using code generation.
< 1305524556 380569 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way I can think of.
< 1305524561 235807 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda:i=0 isn't valid Python
< 1305524567 551133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason
< 1305524593 263506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: BTW, you need to handle wrapping.
< 1305524600 948261 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wrapping?
< 1305524613 557706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305524620 982325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's yet another Scheme in my possible choices
< 1305524626 150554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try submitting to the anarchy golf. (I do not believe the "exec" command in Python is disallowed) It is not endless problem, it has deadline, so post it (I suggest always selecting "open code statistics") and it is revealed in 11 days (you can continue sending after the deadline, too)
< 1305524629 394127 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1305524631 72494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1305524641 811824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Less than one or equal to two five six = set to 0.
< 1305524672 340049 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought deadfish didn't overflow.
< 1305524678 549715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rapidly decides that "integrated Emacs-like editor" isn't worth... its.... incompletenessness
< 1305524680 39507 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish
< 1305524689 378962 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia:  that lambda won't work because in Python assignment isn't an expression, and lambdas are single-expression functions
< 1305524692 632973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It does.
< 1305524699 380266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is it?
< 1305524701 579510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT Scheme?
< 1305524713 125535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305524719 126891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How is MIT Scheme incomplete?
< 1305524721 783711 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Python < This suggests otherwise for me
< 1305524731 438723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia:
< 1305524731 682338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if accumlator == 256 or accumlator == -1:
< 1305524731 764190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :		accumlator = 0
< 1305524733 754366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you are blind.
< 1305524737 793872 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rcap
< 1305524739 33767 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap*
< 1305524740 410808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module system currently
< 1305524753 639653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are portable module systems.
< 1305524815 132142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Chicken's hash tables are pulled from an SRFI?
< 1305524821 498800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pulled from"?
< 1305524824 547422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean they adhere to a standard.
< 1305524827 447920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305524856 280526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas, Racket's... don't
< 1305524914 325341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket isn't a Scheme.
< 1305524919 454956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should it be expected to conform to SRFIs?
< 1305524946 313228 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm not entirely sure I understand what exec is being used for.
< 1305524981 23404 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating Python code in python and executing it immediately is pretty much the same thing as writing an interpreter in Python, except less efficient.
< 1305525005 779221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, it's likely to be more efficient, if anything.
< 1305525015 730500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, the important thing is the size of the code, not the speed.
< 1305525031 523468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try both in ... a lisp
< 1305525036 691632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still on the fence
< 1305525082 991531 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with your efficiency claim, but if it's not important for whatever is trying to be accomplished I won't debate it.
< 1305525137 877592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How is an interpreter less efficient than a compiler here?
< 1305525161 511175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also notes Gambit
< 1305525167 610759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comparison is basically null without any kind of control flow, but this is basically JIT vs. interpreter, and nobody argues JITs are slower than interpreters, especially when the compiler is /this/ simple.
< 1305525180 300856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets dizzy
< 1305525213 235929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305525214 521900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dizzy.
< 1305525252 274768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not allowed to be metaphorical?
< 1305525270 273866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the thing is, with you it's usually not figurative ... and that's not what metaphorical means.
< 1305525275 867407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my argument is more on the basis that exec + string concatenation is always going to be slower than the Python code where you directly interpret it.
< 1305525281 290996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sort of is.
< 1305525282 734936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really.
< 1305525307 289781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, CPython string concatenation is actually just as fast as joining (i.e. linear in number of strings to join) IIRC.
< 1305525327 447630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree that that would not apply if the language had significant control flow?
< 1305525340 426357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpretive overhead would surely come in there, as the control flow cannot be "directly" mapped to Python constructs in an interpreter.
< 1305525425 364934 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying that if the language had control flow constructs then this "JIT" solution would be even better?
< 1305525439 240803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the scare quotes around JIT?
< 1305525443 251290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is precisely a JIT.
< 1305525474 997990 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there's more code than the snippet I saw?
< 1305525486 179917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish is a trivial language, why would there be?
< 1305525488 667113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what a JIT does:
< 1305525492 563360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Acts as an interpreter by
< 1305525496 101550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - Compiling code, and then
< 1305525499 64436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - Immediately executing it.
< 1305525503 771135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Compiling code on the fly,
< 1305525519 893806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is exactly what that code snippet does, so yes, it's a Deadfish JIT, as opposed to a Deadfish compiler (s/exec/print/) or a Deadfish interpreter.
< 1305525794 449977 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: way to ask #scheme for advice on what lisp dialect to take
< 1305525800 115933 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a JIT. But this approach makes all the typical advantages of JIT compilation no longer apply, basically. Also, join is much faster than string concatenation, but you don't use much string concatenation so it's not much of an issue. I think the main reason that the JIT in this case is less efficient than a interpreter written in Python is because of how exec works. But yeah, if you want to minimize lines of cod
< 1305525821 100928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I was hoping they'd answer "Which Scheme" rather than "Scheme or CL?"
< 1305525863 380023 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then perhaps you should have left common lisp out. the way you phrased your question made it like you lumped all the schemes together
< 1305525869 476431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: join is not faster than string concatenation. That applies in other Python implementations but not CPython.
< 1305525882 945925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you got cut off after "minimize lines of co".
< 1305525894 312868 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines of cod" for me
< 1305525896 83971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Why have you lead me into a channel of inevitable cringe?
< 1305525898 896001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :D
< 1305525902 350388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing lines of cod
< 1305525906 583980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines of cod" for me, too
< 1305525911 316697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to minimize lines of code, then you've accomplished that. :)
< 1305525918 257161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytes, actually.
< 1305525926 352535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, no, join = repeated string concatenation in CPython.
< 1305525930 711408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least asymptomatically if nothing else.
< 1305525937 12781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so far, the only thing that you've seen said that could possibly be cringeworthy is what I said
< 1305525961 347689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:53:55  I'm getting dizzy trying to decide between various Schemes, and Common Lisp
< 1305525963 299466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cringeworthy.
< 1305525981 513768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could logread, I guess
< 1305526021 745942 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been told and read that in CPython join is always a better solution than a loop with repeated string concatenation. Essentially, the more you rely on builtin functions and less on Python code the more efficient your Python code will be.
< 1305526046 660804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh, there may be an incredibly MINOR difference.
< 1305526062 359825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the reason it's recommended to join instead is because Jython and other implementations have linear join, but exponential repeated-concatenation.
< 1305526082 379341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only difference with CPython will be a (probably tiny) constant factor.
< 1305526102 416236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x + y + z) and "".join((x, y, z)) are pretty much going to be equivalent.
< 1305526275 618378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they'll be the same asymptotically.
< 1305526310 665556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said, not in Jython.
< 1305526317 136207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about IronPython.
< 1305526355 9214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 is the current Python recod.
< 1305526356 401571 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :record*
< 1305526359 220383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to need more work.
< 1305526365 235106 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do*
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< 1305526376 178322 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dict is already 53 chars
< 1305526441 126815 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305526466 935901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind.
< 1305526479 950558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should implement an esolang in something
< 1305526482 231984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Racket
< 1305526488 886392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: >_<
< 1305526497 945991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OH MY GOD STOP REPEATING THE SAME THING IN FIFTY DIFFERENT WAYS
< 1305526509 568087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually going to DO IT though
< 1305526546 419686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN DO IT
< 1305526619 942921 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :found this: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2011/2/1/exec-in-python/
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< 1305526718 90317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I sure want Debian rolling round about now.
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< 1305526818 291001 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  hmm, okay, so I think you were right actually. I was assuming that exec was always slower than regular Python, but it's only slower if you make repeated execs using a string (because it parses and byte-code compiles the program each call)
< 1305526840 17183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you would want to use compile() first and then exec that.
< 1305526858 527133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only question is, how long a Deadfish program do you need for the compilation overhead to go away? :-)
< 1305526933 936570 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't increasing the length of the source program increase the compilation overhead? or am I missing something?
< 1305526964 724320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. But it'd also increase the overhead of the while loop of an interpreter... :-P
< 1305526979 933837 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec"".join(dict(i="i+=1;",d="i-=1;",o="print i;",s="i*=i;").get(x,"")for x in sys.stdin.read())
< 1305526983 744657 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way to shorten this?
< 1305526992 144790 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that another approach is needed.
< 1305527031 53478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305527034 216467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have you put ; at the end again
< 1305527053 422335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305527053 964858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1305527075 537670 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't.
< 1305527092 181847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just ";".join?
< 1305527098 687685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey good idea
< 1305527102 739523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1;",d="i-=1;",o="print i;",s="i*=i;").get(x,"")for x in sys.stdin)
< 1305527104 349191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter in two ways
< 1305527107 241501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305527110 678384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the ;s from the end :D
< 1305527118 309782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x,"")for x in sys.stdin)
< 1305527128 210334 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope.
< 1305527143 288525 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write ;; in Python, you get a syntax error.
< 1305527153 463521 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to have .get(x,"somekindofnoop") then
< 1305527158 630932 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :using map instead of a generator expression might shave a few bytes.
< 1305527158 916725 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1305527163 675694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ...
< 1305527164 647450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305527165 267661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, checked, nope.
< 1305527169 113294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1305527171 81922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x,"0")for x in sys.stdin)
< 1305527254 494944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a sufficient compromise.
< 1305527306 180114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305527306 587391 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually doesn't iterating on a file descriptor iterate by line?
< 1305527307 414773 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you make it even shorter with reduce?
< 1305527313 934436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would reduce help?
< 1305527322 934738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes, but the anagolf challenge uses single lines
< 1305527328 403530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the newlines will break it...
< 1305527332 118030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1305527332 796936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do
< 1305527340 745301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x[0],"0")for x in sys.stdin)
< 1305527342 75669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved
< 1305527345 470531 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, using sys.stdin instead of sys.stdin() gives me 0;0;0;0;0;0
< 1305527360 150309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.stdin() won't do anything...
< 1305527361 713413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1305527364 188737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i just fixed it
< 1305527365 490079 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go.
< 1305527385 502905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1305527387 168252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need wrapping
< 1305527388 45497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1305527427 18304 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish
< 1305527433 165851 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dialect used here dosn't wrap.
< 1305527441 162143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it DOES. Deadfish wraps weirdly.
< 1305527447 337302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go /over/ with squaring.
< 1305527456 447988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";i*=i!=256;".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x[0],"0")for x in sys.stdin)
< 1305527466 575702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just needs negative handling.
< 1305527474 416056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: "If you decrement zero you get zero and if the result ever becomes 256 it should change to zero immediately." --the challenge description itself
< 1305527520 66460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should _not_ take this long to implement HQ9+
< 1305527527 885783 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305527531 720476 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're doing it wrong
< 1305527535 179952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: obviously the fault is with the implementation and not you.
< 1305527550 265965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that iterating on a file descrpitor automatically strips the newline.
< 1305527560 993073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: seemingly not :)
< 1305527570 392142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...weird.
< 1305527573 126556 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305527592 118923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I barely know Racket
< 1305527603 475819 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1	twobit	72	0.1235	11/05/15 02:36:54	0B / 34B / 35B
< 1305527603 596535 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2	leonid	72	0.0941	11/05/16 09:47:11	0B / 39B / 24B
< 1305527603 678452 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :3	hallvabo	73	0.0866	11/05/15 04:53:21	0B / 31B / 38B
< 1305527608 316666 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the top for Python right now.
< 1305527615 604092 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are WAY over.
< 1305527634 570949 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can more byte shaving be done?
< 1305527642 293904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but it'll require more ingenuity.
< 1305527645 416852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say using dict takes more bytes than {} syntax.
< 1305527649 46628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I am saying is, cheating.
< 1305527651 240253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it does not.
< 1305527653 464123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I measured.
< 1305527668 871658 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah because of the quotes on the keys.
< 1305527669 512204 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} has a bunch of " around
< 1305527677 515048 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could get rid of the quotes
< 1305527682 209727 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :around the values too.
< 1305527688 679310 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia:  see Perl. :P
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< 1305527700 851367 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it's perl.
< 1305527702 771185 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's shorter.
< 1305527710 207565 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, binary strings?
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< 1305527732 972270 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do anything with that?
< 1305527735 712175 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ..whut?
< 1305527756 892284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wat
< 1305527762 812285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no
< 1305527767 119469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is way too small for compression to help
< 1305527767 579218 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this about source code size?
< 1305527797 487590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cheat, you can post with (cheat) after your name, you can also post noncheating without (cheat) and you can do similar things if you want multiple submissions for any reason. One reason might be, you might want binary, you might want one without binary, or some symbols only, or alphanumerics only, etc
< 1305527798 353408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1305527808 350137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SLIME's debugging like? Because the way DrRacket does this is starting to tick me off
< 1305527820 870411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: only as good as your Lisp's, obviously.
< 1305527829 813441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a Racket port of SLIME, though.
< 1305527836 696764 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like see Postscript they have one (bin) and one text
< 1305527845 905196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Schemefortyeight port of SLIME but it is out of date.
< 1305527867 918439 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant, I'm considering flipping over to Common Lisp
< 1305527880 788100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't for/list supposed to return a list?
< 1305527888 65669 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: you are funny
< 1305527892 655356 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters, you aren't coding scheme
< 1305527923 401891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he coding magic
< 1305527926 160471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure magic
< 1305527941 575536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that for the problem, it doesn't matter how your program treats "h" as long as it does not output anything or cause infinite loop
< 1305527949 822263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's fairly obvious he isn't coding scheme since he's using racket not a scheme
< 1305527951 801118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could use raw_input instead of sys.stdin you could remove the import line
< 1305527962 182271 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see a way to do that without introducing more bytes.
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< 1305528043 44590 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://docs.racket-lang.org/search/index.html?q=for/list
< 1305528045 919904 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: go wild
< 1305528059 728604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pastie.org/private/tx8g8qrhsd4ggssrspzdg
< 1305528065 692787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can Sgeo actually code
< 1305528072 108069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm not sure 90 percent of psox actually counted as code
< 1305528082 68368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's acting like for/list isn't returning anything
< 1305528086 229540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (99-bottles)
< 1305528086 485673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (error "Not implemented yet"))
< 1305528086 567476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (inc-accum)
< 1305528086 567558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (error "Not implemented yet"))
< 1305528087 823905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just poetic
< 1305528109 780916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you put do- before all of your function names?
< 1305528121 51865 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-99-bottles
< 1305528125 878485 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-inc-accum
< 1305528130 135211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-do-inc-accum
< 1305528134 262056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it implements a function after all
< 1305528189 242381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(list->string lst) → string?
< 1305528189 454417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  lst : (listof char?)
< 1305528189 536116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returns a new mutable string whose content is the list of characters in lst. That is, the length of the string is (length lst), and the sequence of characters in lst is the same sequence in the result string.
< 1305528198 19453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that, Sgeo is violating a function contract
< 1305528207 52100 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how on earth did someone get a smaller source size than that.
< 1305528227 457901 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different approach, perhaps
< 1305528229 374411 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or black magic
< 1305528232 972630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh... but that manages to not even fix the problem
< 1305528243 49903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you considered you might have other problems in your code
< 1305528251 722062 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if sgeo is the problem
< 1305528254 353545 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then
< 1305528295 96894 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are Bink and Bonk debug code
< 1305528299 747448 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean
< 1305528300 253951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305528313 149801 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm
< 1305528365 526101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The for/list is still giving void
< 1305528379 25411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just replaced list->string with string-append*)
< 1305528388 302499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried evaluating the for/list in the repl
< 1305528390 354232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before asking
< 1305528393 842297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305528397 615398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1305528417 684189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returned properly, iirc (bloody DrRacket cleared it out already)
< 1305528426 527245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1305528431 54610 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ racket
< 1305528431 228806 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Racket v5.1.1.
< 1305528431 310901 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1305528431 311107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet you find it unthinkable that the problem could be in the appending and displaying parts
< 1305528437 318410 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats drracket
< 1305528437 707415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the for/list part
< 1305528438 395369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1305528460 140278 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nuts this thing can't handle arrow keys
< 1305528486 728544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: quack for emacs = good stuff
< 1305528495 984660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :special integration with racket's repl
< 1305528500 824232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/screenshot.png
< 1305528506 826003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, but you pointed out an additional problem
< 1305528515 646478 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad I don't use emacs
< 1305528522 284594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did I
< 1305528529 410905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: just start emacs to use the repl >:)
< 1305528532 496902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, y'know... use rlwrap
< 1305528537 200366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :list->string wouldn't wor properly
< 1305528544 344513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1305528546 48147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found sgeo's bug
< 1305528549 61665 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll edit my lines in vim then paste them into the repl
< 1305528556 509264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that he thinks characters are strings
< 1305528560 836353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305528563 169289 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so
< 1305528565 97926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless [hash]\X is equal? to "X"
< 1305528592 893758 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (equal? #\X "X")
< 1305528593 256622 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#f
< 1305528593 505808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `#\'
< 1305528599 283364 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry lambdabot
< 1305528603 639147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats lambdabot
< 1305528608 644680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok
< 1305528614 985008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1305528622 338087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I kind of.. was thinking of that >.>
< 1305528668 991748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck why am i helping you figure out obvious bugs in your ten lines of code
< 1305528672 16731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ashamed of myself
< 1305528688 155138 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should see if I can implement hq9+ better than sgeo
< 1305528724 285086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try doing it while being a cat
< 1305528726 503764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a challenge
< 1305528740 159041 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really tired and I don't think I've ever actually done anything in racket before
< 1305528743 217681 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that good enough
< 1305528759 633012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305528762 728011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tired too
< 1305529012 24179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is now implemented
< 1305529016 507997 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo
< 1305529080 629009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on
< 1305529102 223367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahahah
< 1305529105 828037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pathetic how can I not find this function
< 1305529114 977767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo i swear to god you literally get stupider as time goes on
< 1305529121 33736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I do not have a bug in +
< 1305529124 479458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im quite honsetly unable to think of a single other possibility
< 1305529169 168014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't seem to find the function to make a nice list of numbers
< 1305529219 105957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1305529223 894639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 9
< 1305529225 952279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i dont want to live on this planet any more
< 1305529234 871126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: at this rate you're going to have to start doing python programming soon
< 1305529258 451840 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what do you mean a nice list of numbers
< 1305529263 309553 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you want it to greet you
< 1305529273 840596 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (I'm afraid that's not possible)
< 1305529364 686635 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my theory is Sgeo wrote PSOX before his university untaught him programming
< 1305529386 247694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my accumulator is nicer than a naive one
< 1305529393 262346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...
< 1305529393 607279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess nothing actually makes it naive
< 1305529397 121822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise the accumulator does nothing
< 1305529402 998433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: psox was 90 percent function decorators
< 1305529407 152230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and easter eggs
< 1305529452 762679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I consider that cheating
< 1305529470 449094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: look at all these shits i'm giving
< 1305529479 750361 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (do-inc-accum) #f) ; optimized out
< 1305529485 121908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus monqy
< 1305529487 433847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like a shit tornado
< 1305529491 63544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not giving them to anyone
< 1305529492 431404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even orphans
< 1305529513 193667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a whole lotta shit to be giving
< 1305529519 124080 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I put another do in there
< 1305529557 336169 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: +++
< 1305529575 41173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no
< 1305529578 863825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm giving none of the shits
< 1305529582 178552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre all mine
< 1305529714 634553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would really appreciate CL's format
< 1305529722 323282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean
< 1305529737 812013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.racket-lang.org/search/index.html?q=format
< 1305529739 723757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW LOOK AT THAT
< 1305529740 106911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMAT
< 1305529748 483140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE
< 1305529748 941986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE
< 1305529750 522479 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say
< 1305529750 971498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING
< 1305529751 55228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEARCH
< 1305529751 274409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAGE
< 1305529751 721069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1305529768 56665 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he wants common lisp's format specifically
< 1305529770 261814 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dirty racket's format
< 1305529773 468685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell out to sbcl
< 1305529778 897276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305529785 648711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:RichardPrime&curid=3901&diff=22899&oldid=22898
< 1305529787 1478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1305529787 947497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambot user
< 1305529792 188078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, thank you
< 1305529804 28132 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do
< 1305529804 721277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...
< 1305529810 805537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was the one who fucking searched and linked it.
< 1305529815 82207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, be correct in knowing what I wanted.
< 1305529817 535426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, I saw.
< 1305529824 18679 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was mocking you
< 1305529829 318488 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dagnabbit
< 1305529999 362503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DrRacket: That's just great. Tell me an error, but hilight the text in red such that I can't see s-exprs easily
< 1305530050 807753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: will this horror ever end.....
< 1305530072 252071 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hope you know you don't have to use drracket
< 1305530081 136279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a super masochist
< 1305530090 171156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or stupid
< 1305530092 369874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1305530347 449308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so is the input for the deadfish code all on one line or is it seperated by lines?
< 1305530375 973041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: in the anagolf challenge it is all on separate lines
< 1305530423 504323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/l7sb1cgdx6iy0ee7wu3vw
< 1305530439 723958 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work
< 1305530449 182047 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on mine it's going to be so rad
< 1305530453 58807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank fuck Sgeo has implemented hqnine+
< 1305530456 302510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now well never be without it
< 1305530459 536405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define inc-accum
< 1305530459 844360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (let ([accum 0])
< 1305530459 926300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (lambda ()
< 1305530459 926476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (set! accum (+ accum 1)))))
< 1305530460 871178 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses case instead of cond
< 1305530465 810581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its that scheme idiom thats obsoleted in racket
< 1305530476 989441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre meant to use the fucking module system for encapsulation instead
< 1305530486 33253 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also uses continuations
< 1305530488 929931 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how rad it is
< 1305530505 965104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (format "~a bottle~a of beer on the wall.~%~a bottle~a of beer.~%Take one down, pass it around,~%~a bottle~a of beer on the wall!~%" bottles s bottles s (- bottles 1) last-s)))))
< 1305530508 997997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no exclamation mark
< 1305530513 164409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need "no more bottles" at the end
< 1305530521 957918 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssshhh
< 1305530523 810521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is embarrassing
< 1305530552 647994 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to print it out line by line such as not to have stupid concatenation overhead but the core of my interpreter will be pure
< 1305530561 863154 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so rad)
< 1305530591 188664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it PRINT the lyrics out
< 1305530592 590193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a i
< 1305530593 522888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1305530595 222438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your printer
< 1305530598 639047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure racket has a library for that
< 1305530609 506539 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a good idea if I had a printer
< 1305530616 549661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a pdf printer or similar to test it
< 1305530624 302961 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1305530694 509146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does pastie weirdly color the ( in the lambda arglist?
< 1305530705 455883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im going to start crying soon
< 1305530737 60071 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry I know everything ever about pastie
< 1305530759 664053 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: presumably it's broken
< 1305530783 476465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket's contract stuff looks cool mind you
< 1305531720 780638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this shorter?
< 1305531722 151541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it done yet
< 1305531723 531299 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;exec"x=0"+"%256".join(dict(i="+1",d="-1",o="+0;print x;x=x",s="+0;x*=x;x=x").get(x[0],"") for x in sys.stdin)
< 1305531727 18574 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no :(
< 1305531728 835006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: modulo is wrong
< 1305531732 103741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you haven't handled negative
< 1305531733 832586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't like... tried to run it. probably should
< 1305531748 852701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x=x breaks the syntax there...
< 1305531756 75379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you need ==[twofivesix], not modulo
< 1305531780 124401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x[asterisk]=x[exclamation mark]=[twofivesix];x[asterisk]=x>0
< 1305531783 300033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should handle wrapping
< 1305531787 589624 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does x=x break syntax?
< 1305531797 544569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see how it works
< 1305531799 352222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still broken though
< 1305531803 897087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the wrapping
< 1305531816 412874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think that's actually one or two bytes longer than our last attempt
< 1305531841 43926 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah all the hackery to get o and s to work
< 1305531939 850305 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=x!=256*x>0  would cut some bytes.
< 1305532009 66492 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially I was just going to replace s with **2 but I realized that would conflict with operator precedence.
< 1305532069 913390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=x!=256*x>0
< 1305532071 684203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parses wrong
< 1305532074 434087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=(x!=256)*x>0
< 1305532074 780529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1305532076 547508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=(x!=256)*(x>0)
< 1305532078 998135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will work
< 1305532081 494577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about that middle one
< 1305532084 665829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the first one will parse wrong
< 1305532093 328887 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1305532116 217252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need parens around ("x=0"+"%256") in your old version
< 1305532148 159139 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on only the %256 was being the join delimeter.
< 1305532160 794283 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=0 is the initialization
< 1305532174 579539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm.
< 1305532179 480989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it parses something like
< 1305532189 314964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1305532189 825238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305532190 712135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i
< 1305532195 521816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305532203 245094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 0 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 1 -1 -1 -1 ...+0;print x;x=x + 1 + 1 +1 +1 ...;
< 1305532204 348040 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally ditched continuations for returning multiple values. oops.
< 1305532219 72328 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you golfing Deadfish?
< 1305532228 679778 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe.
< 1305532368 238779 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so that approach breaks down when you start applying a bunch of != >0, **2, etc to the operator chain because of order of operations
< 1305532437 244850 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, so increasing 255 should be 0 but squaring 255 (or anything larger than 15) won't clip?
< 1305532471 332013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1305532477 662180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a magical language filled with idiocy and happiness
< 1305532701 816048 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, increasing 255 is nop, but increasing 256 sets the accumulator 257????
< 1305532705 355425 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck.
< 1305532715 666892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yes.
< 1305532717 827485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic is simple
< 1305532726 779100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cycle, if the value is two-five-six or less than zero, it's set to zero
< 1305532741 600575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that squaring to get two-five-seven and then decrementing goes to 0
< 1305532770 946607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: xfce tips sure are of high quality - "Theres a volume changer plugin for the panel available. Its name is xfce[four]-mixer."
< 1305532776 593295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I tried the operator chaining approach I decided it would be a good idea to import re;f=re.subn;...
< 1305532785 410349 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then chain together a bunch of substitutes. :)
< 1305532796 524370 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it was much different, and it didn't handle the wrapping.
< 1305532832 523989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it done yet?????????///////////
< 1305532851 580226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ??/////
< 1305532884 134610 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm teaching it how to count beer
< 1305532889 70267 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards
< 1305532918 987442 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after this I will try remembering my original design and write that
< 1305532924 459985 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was so much better this
< 1305532980 859488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahhhaha
< 1305533032 174815 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1305533034 905951 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after sleep
< 1305533038 188202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: (
< 1305533043 227847 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardly remember what I'm trying to do now
< 1305533047 569484 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first version: 115 bytes.
< 1305533050 572390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't corrected the 99 bottle of beer issues
< 1305533053 613274 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck.
< 1305533054 555119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly enough if you take (ord(x[0])-100)/5 then d, i, o, and s translate to 0, 1, 2, and 3
< 1305533056 882909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor am I working on it
< 1305533070 985764 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: apathy or spite
< 1305533079 812463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly apathy
< 1305533106 885252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, considering that I want to try writing the same in Chicken and CL, maybe I should finish it
< 1305533107 72142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ahahahfahafjknsdfkgsfdknlg,m
< 1305533110 402168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not tonight though
< 1305533117 614154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this couldnt be funnier
< 1305533124 771783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's a lot of characters in itself though
< 1305533128 965597 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1305533131 667519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could use a list like that
< 1305533136 344871 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305533138 342809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately you would have to handle invalid chars /
< 1305533139 48730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1305533158 45445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, x not in'h
< 1305533159 782209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is ok for this
< 1305533165 834558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literal newline deliberate, one less char than \n)
< 1305533166 749749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or wait)
< 1305533169 342390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that valid in python...)
< 1305533195 124104 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can't do that
< 1305533212 638408 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :""" allows literal newlines
< 1305533217 420111 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not " or '
< 1305533240 60685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly
< 1305533249 388212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, go complain to Guido
< 1305533274 312378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll read your email in his comfortable Google office chair.
< 1305533303 706389 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took an another approach; 84 bytes.
< 1305533324 354818 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder others are using the same approach?
< 1305533328 210492 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least for python)
< 1305533342 798372 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 84 was one of the smallest on that list, if I recall.
< 1305533357 115271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: complain to guido? why would i want to talk to him...
< 1305533359 146227 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far i saw it is 72 bytes long now.
< 1305533362 369823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't even know what tail call optimisation is
< 1305533385 18802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I'm suspecting the 72 byte program cheats heavily somehow
< 1305533403 64333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you could present your case against Python in the hopes that he would find reason in your plea and make changes to Python 3.5 or 4 or something like that.
< 1305533404 937870 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is your best (without your supposed cheats)?
< 1305533409 454507 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a well thought out plan, I promise.
< 1305533434 906290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: well, we're working together... we've got it down to a hundred bytes or so
< 1305533447 346827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't suppose you're willing to share your version? :P
< 1305533447 483617 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, but it seems that 75+-2 is certainly possible
< 1305533457 800874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: meh, much easier to just erase him from the history books instead
< 1305533490 501922 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the first rule of all string-to-code golfing: abuse exec.
< 1305533494 275508 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once held Python in high esteem... but that was back when I only knew Python and not much else. :P
< 1305533496 287342 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sucks I'm getting sleep
< 1305533511 606100 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :overengineering is difficult when tired
< 1305533537 192214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: we already are :)
< 1305533568 587609 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Perl, it's probably something like "abuse regex"
< 1305533588 829006 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's always the first rule in... any Perl programming.
< 1305533590 127912 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and also take a look at how the input is read.
< 1305533600 177268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: already have :)
< 1305533629 625844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly golfing in Perl sounds way more fun than Python.
< 1305533640 481456 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try all possible input methods (i.e. sys.stdin, sys.stdin.read(), os.read, input, raw_input etc.)?
< 1305533652 218920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sys.stdin was the one that was easiest with our code structure
< 1305533652 355054 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :input wouldn't work for sure.
< 1305533657 483329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others would involve a separate while loo
< 1305533657 829560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1305533659 304720 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw_input is possible though.
< 1305533660 473602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305533661 971606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :input might work
< 1305533669 653232 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1305533677 665690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i='n+=one';d='n-=one';code+=input()
< 1305533680 820109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see?
< 1305533682 714033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it evals
< 1305533697 461222 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aaah
< 1305533699 865535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: can i have a digit one, my number keys are broken :)
< 1305533706 689887 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to get it shorter.
< 1305533735 818693 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are your current ideas?
< 1305533740 742437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: see above
< 1305533754 16266 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive eval?
< 1305533765 608146 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recursive no
< 1305533767 821049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305533770 391977 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbol table abuse. :)
< 1305533777 150703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asterisk plz
< 1305533780 819745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need an asterisk :D
< 1305533784 592404 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. Though it's uncertain whether or not it will be a smaller result.
< 1305533791 108708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi
< 1305533794 140456 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you can have this one *
< 1305533794 279455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone type an asterisk >:(
< 1305533795 896464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1305533798 629319 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305533803 582631 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is evil, and might actually work.
< 1305533812 262095 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you deal with characters not in the set?
< 1305533814 618348 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to ignore those.
< 1305533816 755259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamation mark please
< 1305533818 725991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nope, only h
< 1305533818 861780 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part will be filtering all of the non-important characters.
< 1305533822 692733 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... !
< 1305533824 783656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is the only non-command char not used
< 1305533831 440896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'm not messing with you my number keys really are broken
< 1305533836 538726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok someone type two-five-six
< 1305533843 116208 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I believe you. :D  256
< 1305533886 34615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=c='';while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*(n>0)'
< 1305533887 234477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error
< 1305533895 697874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1305533902 69146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=c=''
< 1305533902 151143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*(n>0)'
< 1305533903 743980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines
< 1305533907 693629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is promising
< 1305533915 956409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninety-two bytes
< 1305533920 171674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait
< 1305533920 925441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninety-one
< 1305533935 447702 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can shorten that some more with tuple assignment
< 1305533937 213412 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1305533947 460546 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks
< 1305533948 973512 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305533954 23901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be cheating, right.
< 1305533962 841337 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dosn't work in the general case.
< 1305533963 357349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305533965 180045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all's fair in anagolf
< 1305533973 973020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ah, possibly
< 1305533974 111755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we only need the shown examples to work
< 1305533993 785174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i don't think so CakeProphet
< 1305533994 656928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes
< 1305534038 392655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=c=''
< 1305534038 739848 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you trade each semicolon for two commas, but then you get to take away a = for each one. Probably breaks even.
< 1305534038 873959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0'
< 1305534040 246488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two bytes shorter
< 1305534053 302489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-nine bytes
< 1305534058 490164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1305534060 816968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless c assignment there
< 1305534067 634585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=''
< 1305534067 760542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0'
< 1305534068 820399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-seven bytes
< 1305534077 792069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305534079 984893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do h=n=0 there
< 1305534080 264732 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 bytes here. now that IS hard.
< 1305534087 114335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-four bytes
< 1305534103 661346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: is our new approach reasonable for such a low count...?
< 1305534109 834803 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so.
< 1305534125 175755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305534127 320171 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is halt.
< 1305534135 218518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: apparently its ok to ignore it zzo said
< 1305534137 580467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not actually part of deadfish
< 1305534150 884304 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only occurs at the end.
< 1305534153 288177 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, therefore.
< 1305534158 100870 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore.
< 1305534180 818821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305534203 463104 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1305534208 681466 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only get below zero with d, right?
< 1305534215 959297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes
< 1305534220 609032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely
< 1305534221 47925 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's the current code?
< 1305534222 716799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't :)
< 1305534225 101500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: h=n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0'
< 1305534228 65854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the ; before while is a newline
< 1305534231 63866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like this to count bytes easier
< 1305534245 918208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305534252 874940 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305534257 880658 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have an infinite generator?
< 1305534265 375892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how are we exiting this loop?
< 1305534266 852856 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it requires an import
< 1305534268 152529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305534273 288418 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in itertools
< 1305534285 265754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i=d=s='n+=1';d[1]='-';s[1:]='*=n';o='print n';while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0'
< 1305534286 411766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, longer
< 1305534291 198212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also define your own with a function that uses yield. Probably even more bytes than the import though.
< 1305534291 280421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: with erro
< 1305534291 936082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1305534293 962037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :input() will fail
< 1305534295 969047 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this allowed?
< 1305534299 841763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes
< 1305534303 784285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it pass?
< 1305534306 61032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305534309 631030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stderr is ignored
< 1305534309 810898 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, python's string is immutable, i think?
< 1305534314 663515 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305534315 306520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: oh damn, right :(
< 1305534336 896648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just mutate one of them
< 1305534355 335615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305534357 149407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't
< 1305534358 313421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're strings
< 1305534376 203591 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, nevermind. :P
< 1305534397 96411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n';while 1:exec input()
< 1305534399 597203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works apart from s
< 1305534404 47831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s needs to handle sqrt two-five-six
< 1305534405 531759 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305534408 636334 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've hit a brick wall.
< 1305534411 902096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sixteen
< 1305534412 892931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nope
< 1305534437 167565 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305534439 160992 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0d = 0
< 1305534442 204716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n**=1+(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305534442 408516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :255i = 0
< 1305534445 802449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-one bytes
< 1305534446 991271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitches
< 1305534459 967350 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is n?
< 1305534461 939978 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1305534462 22074 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305534481 250426 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305534482 387707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305534484 750527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty bytes
< 1305534485 715303 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h only occurs at the end.
< 1305534493 191965 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305534494 831745 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h = halt
< 1305534498 964239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305534499 207108 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can make it halt by erroring.
< 1305534501 13207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1305534501 455197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1305534505 835745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305534509 115437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventy-eight bytes
< 1305534514 204002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to get very difficult very quickly
< 1305534516 562452 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO.
< 1305534519 983924 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who does credit go to?
< 1305534521 161935 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric?
< 1305534524 300761 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott?
< 1305534525 150519 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305534528 469378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll submit this version as #esoteric
< 1305534556 425236 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1305534561 429984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION strips newline locally
< 1305534565 940755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+=n!=255
< 1305534569 78625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1305534569 184531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can try and shorten it further ofc
< 1305534573 419085 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n == 255
< 1305534574 293235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: boolean->int conversion
< 1305534576 470930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :false is zero, true is one
< 1305534577 503050 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then n+=0
< 1305534579 654747 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning 255
< 1305534581 305715 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of 0
< 1305534584 7288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1305534585 283737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1305534593 605468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305534594 259650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need
< 1305534600 28112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,255)=-x
< 1305534601 705091 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305534603 303999 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the tests.
< 1305534605 837490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,n)=one
< 1305534614 484826 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any use this behvaior?
< 1305534616 248879 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :behavior*
< 1305534620 613687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: probably
< 1305534625 959622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too hard to tell from reading them
< 1305534644 368605 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, it is hard to get below 75B.
< 1305534648 756242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try with just +=one
< 1305534678 825403 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305534682 285250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they
< 1305534682 366844 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 4 tests it.
< 1305534686 913522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305534693 128533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
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< 1305534736 551480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1+(n=255)*(-n-1)';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)'
< 1305534738 231261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work
< 1305534755 659004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment isn't an expression in Python
< 1305534779 563497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you meant ==
< 1305534780 31510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1305534782 530246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305534782 985308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305534785 115212 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305534786 810008 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cheaty face
< 1305534789 845628 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, elliott.
< 1305534795 898842 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to use the file name as input?
< 1305534801 5328 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is the file name preserved?
< 1305534815 803148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305534818 61045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my squaring thing is borked
< 1305534831 442971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: heh...
< 1305534834 84552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn\t, no
< 1305534835 41739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't
< 1305534841 632503 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be n*=n or n**=2
< 1305534846 25644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right
< 1305534930 140086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i='n+=1+(n==255)*(-n-1)'
< 1305534931 768257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does in fact work
< 1305534933 620230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1305534937 70783 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is long.
< 1305534944 384894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=255;i='n+=1+(n==255)*-255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)'
< 1305534945 257637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :identical
< 1305534953 488083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305534954 862828 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identical?
< 1305534955 287969 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha...
< 1305534957 241863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a four
< 1305534959 545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone say four for me
< 1305534962 530150 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :four?
< 1305534968 632780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1305534969 615874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the digit
< 1305534975 348541 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1305534984 188441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no
< 1305534985 572417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a six
< 1305534987 388319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have one
< 1305534988 339403 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :6
< 1305534991 849443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, okay.
< 1305535009 93238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305535012 109374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back up to eighty seven bytes
< 1305535029 205544 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :六
< 1305535034 671990 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a six for you
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< 1305535097 976289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1+(n==255)*-256';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305535099 744381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is what we have
< 1305535100 827118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas?
< 1305535111 447171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305535115 777118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmp(n,twofivefive) might help
< 1305535124 474143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs(cmp(n,twofivefive))... no, too long
< 1305535130 806704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh wait
< 1305535132 960608 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305535144 453739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=abs(cmp(n,255))';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305535146 31577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :identical char count
< 1305535182 924612 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this fully functional?
< 1305535185 904621 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm pretty stumped now. :P
< 1305535186 795257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1305535192 661588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah im losing ideas
< 1305535200 115136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: throw us a bone? :P
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< 1305535285 781287 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can think of would be to find another solution and compare its bytecount
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< 1305535302 466515 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now at 73B, but i think it is certainly cheating
< 1305535314 965726 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it fails to implement the full Deadfish spec
< 1305535319 390404 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, does it work?
< 1305535339 162254 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidentally, yes
< 1305535351 766633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: cheating is ok :)
< 1305535352 763341 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examples do not test one behavior of the interpreter
< 1305535358 766216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going below 0?
< 1305535366 487337 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tested.
< 1305535370 796992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305535375 471553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring to two-five-six?
< 1305535386 22945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if thats not tested we could save *(n!=16)
< 1305535394 388592 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is tested in the third example
< 1305535396 459190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddoioidososisosiodsiodsioissiosoh
< 1305535402 829561 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the examples.
< 1305535407 467542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305535414 683189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: then i am not sure what behaviour you refer to :-P
< 1305535414 859711 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tests squaring to 256
< 1305535420 838038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is baically all behaviours
< 1305535422 481755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one sec.
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< 1305535514 527852 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1305535516 873453 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out too
< 1305535517 591412 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1305535527 860795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hey, tell
< 1305535533 329623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shared my innovation :(
< 1305535534 24398 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 here too.
< 1305535535 498977 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:3
< 1305535540 617526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1305535541 719372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk
< 1305535547 361446 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the longest check?
< 1305535552 564862 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;i='n+=abs(cmp(n,255))';
< 1305535557 589218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already said that was tested before
< 1305535559 979721 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can just increment.
< 1305535562 731911 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no.
< 1305535567 180705 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squaring to 256 was.
< 1305535571 265296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean before that
< 1305535583 859084 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on.
< 1305535586 11422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to shave off two bytes
< 1305535600 856875 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also a problem here
< 1305535610 792376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ?
< 1305535618 138114 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI my version is: i='h+=1';d='h-=00)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec 'n=n'+input()
< 1305535864 763986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1305535865 745073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte more
< 1305535874 447519 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n**2*(n!=16)
< 1305535881 920404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will parse wrong
< 1305535882 527208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1305535894 568989 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of how it reduces mathematically.
< 1305535895 596270 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to watch operator precedence I discovered..
< 1305535907 259065 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*=n*(n!=16)
< 1305535938 481594 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*=n*(n!=16) -> n=n*n*(n!=16) -> n=(n**2)*(n!=16)
< 1305535943 538238 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1305535947 690078 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mathematical tricks.
< 1305535957 648042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305535957 892146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input()
< 1305535958 156218 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 0**0
< 1305535958 317980 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1305535958 504135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAME LENGTH
< 1305535961 331808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]same length
< 1305535964 147826 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you have to make o='+0;print n;n=n'
< 1305535966 13592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm liking L though
< 1305535971 469093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not here
< 1305535975 776708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input()
< 1305535977 599544 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305535979 302288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets shot.
< 1305535981 296265 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way to abuse 0**0==1?
< 1305535992 450778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: doubt it :)
< 1305536026 377627 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second.
< 1305536039 213743 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  ah I see.
< 1305536083 11472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any chance doing a list lookup with ord(input()-100
< 1305536083 467451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is tricky
< 1305536088 122713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :)/5 would be shorter?
< 1305536093 131239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: beep, input() evals the line
< 1305536100 219682 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right...
< 1305536104 977116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could assign indexes to them or something and call lambdas but... no
< 1305536117 828161 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
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< 1305536193 88630 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsio
< 1305536206 804639 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's where it zeros.
< 1305536207 148587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsio
< 1305536210 330080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsio dsio dsio dsio
< 1305536224 19093 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305536229 350470 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1305536270 95441 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i got it. 72B.
< 1305536280 913708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: not gonna divulge the secret, are you >:D
< 1305536286 136201 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell us~
< 1305536290 549954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: CakeProphet: TOGETHER WE WILL ACHIEVE THIS
< 1305536292 744028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about
< 1305536294 794095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us of course :D
< 1305536296 624281 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, well i don't tell you, as it will spoil the fun ;)
< 1305536300 428312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305536301 647943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun"
< 1305536303 336853 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, how clever is it?
< 1305536303 815476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305536317 211785 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder.
< 1305536318 647673 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, not beyond your expectation. it's actually quite simple.
< 1305536326 258391 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some hax we can reduce it farther with?
< 1305536347 222745 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i see, it seems very hard. it might be the tight minimum.
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< 1305536367 91091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolgomorov complexity of deadfish-without-increment-checking :)
< 1305536375 757277 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305536411 395001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305536484 986774 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i got it one byte smaller again.
< 1305536489 317032 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray
< 1305536491 964767 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir.
< 1305536492 623840 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You.
< 1305536493 924422 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305536497 114102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1305536504 133531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305536510 489610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to credit us as hash-esoteric
< 1305536511 500905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be
< 1305536522 715076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash-esoteric-apart-from-that-lifthrasiir-guy-who-was-just-horrible-and-kept-secrets >:D
< 1305536526 555779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305536529 374625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305536535 962128 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I reduce it below lifthrasiir, I'm going to keep secrets too.
< 1305536547 920538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happened to teamwork :(
< 1305536549 828813 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ord(raw_input)/5-20 would be smaller than subtracting 100 and then dividing by 5, still I doubt the replacement will beat the 12 characters that you get to remove from doing so.
< 1305536556 337795 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raw_input()
< 1305536560 845001 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, who was the person that pointed out exec input() will work? :3
< 1305536567 279768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: me
< 1305536574 621776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh :p
< 1305536575 340817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1305536576 270709 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1305536590 889534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you just said input(), I worked out the exec() part myself :-D
< 1305536595 775167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joint discovery
< 1305536597 423498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1305536606 590223 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay.
< 1305536614 223427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M GLAD WE'RE IN AGREEMENT
< 1305536615 478144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305536620 165322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as simple as just shaving one byte off is it :D
< 1305536629 368067 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought the golfing consists of two parts: applying the standard techniques, and brute-forcing.
< 1305536673 918888 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter clever you are, you have to experiment with several possible approaches (and possible sub-approaches within them)
< 1305536682 378115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...maybe that sixteen check could be simplified
< 1305536684 321023 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real fun, of course
< 1305536697 696888 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/modindex.html
< 1305536702 665706 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's raze the earth.
< 1305536719 340359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no modules can help us now
< 1305536749 324757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's backtrack
< 1305536750 228848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s='n*=n*(n!=16)'
< 1305536752 358472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte off this...
< 1305536764 457650 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only page you have to keep is http://docs.python.org/library/functions
< 1305536802 908470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course
< 1305536807 573895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoryview() is the key to solving ALL OUR PROBLEMS
< 1305536821 458162 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for it costs at least 12 bytes. :p
< 1305536825 878623 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that*
< 1305536892 383540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: any ideas?
< 1305536909 746296 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try to get rid of those quotes if I had any idea how.
< 1305536914 63342 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we can.
< 1305536920 754961 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking.
< 1305537010 746890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1305537020 48619 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, did anagolf have a setpid interface? that will make a better use of $$ (for example).
< 1305537025 20979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305537029 315479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can't use that in python :)
< 1305537036 812268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: quick, give us an excruciatingly vague hint to shave a byte off this :D
< 1305537039 236274 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and seems quite cheating ;)
< 1305537115 236004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt property() is of any use to us, but the idea is interesting.
< 1305537129 895650 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for one byte, i think you were on the better track than me to point out where to shave off. for other one byte, it will follow naturally from the first one.
< 1305537141 141164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1305537143 101287 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i can say at this moment
< 1305537154 517287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so trying to simplify n*=n*(n!=16) somehow...
< 1305537223 649438 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n**=2*n==16';while 1:exec input()
< 1305537225 793420 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one byte, right?
< 1305537240 287310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305537243 299029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will parse wrongly]
< 1305537246 894359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need parens around n==sixteen
< 1305537248 730524 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :== is looser than *
< 1305537257 172085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305537257 253721 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap.
< 1305537257 376221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input()
< 1305537260 105996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the two current bases
< 1305537307 225409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how s will double the value in the second one
< 1305537335 89930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er not double
< 1305537338 13874 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :**2
< 1305537407 546264 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is the solution mathematical?
< 1305537433 940834 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i was unable to reduce n!=16 bits.
< 1305537448 431930 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait i said too much?!
< 1305537454 255508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1305537458 528968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still being excruciatingly vague.
< 1305537518 554237 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have eval functionality?
< 1305537521 378201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305537522 334726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval(x)
< 1305537532 864278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but print is a statement
< 1305537533 385027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1305537561 624371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sys.stdin.write() is quite wordy and requires an import
< 1305537576 823692 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stdout
< 1305537609 969991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is __import__('sys').stdout.write() :)
< 1305537612 634479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1305537616 332533 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305537620 687758 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've checked.
< 1305537621 950100 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's longer.
< 1305537632 454212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...  ^___^
< 1305537633 1172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ok one question
< 1305537639 430888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input()
< 1305537639 624376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input()
< 1305537647 596954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: which of these is a more viable base for shaving a character?
< 1305537652 505101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ?
< 1305537658 172664 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 dosn't work.
< 1305537663 111706 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note s
< 1305537667 876209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ?
< 1305537669 912131 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was asking about that earlier.
< 1305537671 618929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1305537674 548657 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=n*(n!=16)
< 1305537680 228859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1305537692 17600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input()
< 1305537695 456153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok this base looks futile
< 1305537721 854082 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we could get rid of n=0;
< 1305537741 169693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately python comes with no preinitialised variables :P
< 1305537742 972948 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, did you modify only the handlers?
< 1305537852 70775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305537856 130181 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :- and * have checks, right?
< 1305537893 909081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1305537976 341582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: just one teeny weeny excruciatingly vague hint? :D
< 1305538088 725065 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can we somehow combine i and d?
< 1305538139 485842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried things like that before
< 1305538141 701365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: doubt it
< 1305538157 203389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you SURE squaring to two five six is checked? :)
< 1305538185 855162 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305538205 483395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUURE?
< 1305538212 925779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305538329 265623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE?
< 1305538374 447503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305538420 955447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE?
< 1305538434 272462 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1305538439 544225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305538441 622778 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305538442 641568 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​VBJG
< 1305538445 675047 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we assume a default operation?
< 1305538469 243570 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something easily undoed.
< 1305538491 619140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305538500 617507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try something along those lines
< 1305538506 489575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show simpleacro
< 1305538506 861803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305538506 943690 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; main = do {len <- pick [2..10]; putStrLn =<< (replicateM len $ pick ['A'..'Z'])} where pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!)
< 1305538508 160654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1305538510 249208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while x:a;b
< 1305538512 789113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work
< 1305538516 335847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd need newlines indentation etc
< 1305538594 578098 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305538597 406818 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dict comprehensions?
< 1305538603 421585 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1305538605 885232 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to be shorter.
< 1305538664 878627 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pass exec a dictionary environment, but you'd need some magic way to procedurally compress all of those strings into shorter code by taking advantage of some similarity that likely doesn't exist.
< 1305538678 501340 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305538681 398342 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to combine i an dd
< 1305538683 76945 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :and d*
< 1305538756 531934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1305538786 657471 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n,i,d,o,s=(0,'n+=1','n-=n>0','print n','n*=n*(n!=16)')
< 1305538787 379069 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buh.
< 1305538788 787684 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close.
< 1305538792 659011 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 char too long
< 1305538796 931449 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens aren't necessary actually
< 1305538798 168441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those parens
< 1305538799 806626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent needed
< 1305538806 909914 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305538812 667239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was considering that earlier but I didn't think it would actually save anything.
< 1305538817 440899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without them
< 1305538818 962960 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305538820 516963 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's equal.
< 1305538822 670541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its identical
< 1305538823 95571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305538829 697940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the character tradeoff is literally the same
< 1305538871 818152 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :split is too long
< 1305539027 939257 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test"
< 1305539028 555058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "test"
< 1305539056 953554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (**2) [1..]
< 1305539057 675526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1.0,4.0,9.0,16.0,25.0,36.0,49.0,64.0,81.0,100.0,121.0,144.0,169.0,196.0,22...
< 1305539094 774713 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no ideas?
< 1305539115 850249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i'm letting my mind churn away in a background process
< 1305539134 400978 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise magic?
< 1305539141 255877 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of anything in that vein
< 1305539261 344791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: one measly little hint??? :)
< 1305539292 164137 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, i was briefly afk having a meal. so... what is your question?
< 1305539349 830093 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :execfile("deadfish.py",{"c":sys.stdin.read()}) looks promising.
< 1305539350 236985 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305539375 110926 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, __file__?
< 1305539390 435216 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, sorry.
< 1305539401 804850 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not quite what I meant. :D
< 1305539404 362809 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import deadfish,sys;deadfish.exec(sys.stdin.read())
< 1305539410 185041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that look promising :D
< 1305539423 829558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer source bytes, of course.
< 1305539427 682423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: there is no question, I'm just drawing a blank :-)
< 1305539428 886659 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very portable though.
< 1305539431 30979 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke.
< 1305539486 83739 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way that the % string operator could be used?
< 1305539506 38512 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 NICK :HolyBlood
< 1305539517 940713 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will save bits only when exec'prefix'+input()+'postfix' form is used.
< 1305539547 997332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN, not IF, eh???? ;)
< 1305539604 640308 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mind that my english is hardly fluent ;)
< 1305539612 37069 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am much better at obfuscation than golf...
< 1305539635 750158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I need to read _something_ in to your lines or I will never shave a byte off :-)
< 1305539684 622801 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, what you considered a slight (and irrelevant) difference DOES make a big difference.
< 1305539726 350571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305539734 862271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1305539739 74702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmm
< 1305539748 129019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to go and read over my earlier comments :-)
< 1305539768 6352 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was my original intention when i asked for a hint at the first. :p
< 1305539789 633749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, tirelessly reverting vandalism of the sandboz
< 1305539796 326127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING
< 1305539936 518380 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as everyone knows i'm a principled man, when i can be bothered
< 1305539949 399483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you will have lots of fun with sgeo's detailed chronicle of his failureiffic attempt to implement hq[nine]+
< 1305539956 112061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by fun, i mean you will want to kill yourself.
< 1305539971 484853 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i was planning to skip most of the logs today anyhow
< 1305539982 226573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305539984 39734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo
< 1305539988 160077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll miss so much of the fun :(
< 1305539998 363047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT THAT WASN'T A WARNING?
< 1305540009 36944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1305540013 960531 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​FHW
< 1305540023 83518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are these UK tv licensing ads always in tamil...
< 1305540025 836864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in tamil
< 1305540032 740024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lian speaking surroundings
< 1305540085 88490 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Home Wrecker?
< 1305540093 40291 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1305540097 985076 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​JIKCR
< 1305540110 258960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:37:  some people like cutting their genitals, i imagine being glued from ones penis into a vagina might be a lot nicer.
< 1305540110 540729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:43:  hmm
< 1305540110 622596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:50:  wonder if this is the right chan for this :P
< 1305540398 832333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how expensive segfaulting is on xeightsix/Linux
< 1305540409 4306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, segfaulting, catching it, and then resuming execution
< 1305540510 691890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is the postfix ")"
< 1305540557 773524 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305540560 459264 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are our operations?
< 1305540563 833272 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1
< 1305540565 485132 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, i think it won't reduce the code, as "i" case is too simple to add non-artificial parentheses.
< 1305540580 373550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes hq9+ + need not be entirely unobservable; it could err out on overflow
< 1305540604 764425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first bash script: http://pastebin.com/cuSBQsEy  isn't it beautiful?
< 1305540611 950442 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm now trying to golf a haskell code....
< 1305540617 503263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean I'm a hacker now?
< 1305540624 89696 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You listen to music?
< 1305540628 629643 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's ears pick up
< 1305540629 162609 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh, yes?
< 1305540631 203493 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SILENCE MASTER RACE
< 1305540635 453211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC??????????????
< 1305540641 798319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :////////////////
< 1305540644 738679 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hypocrite
< 1305540661 167133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1
< 1305540663 380193 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-(n>0)
< 1305540664 879362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ok i have a rewrite of your script
< 1305540670 979663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "WHY WOULD YOU EVER TURN FLACS INTO MPTHREES"
< 1305540675 696549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just as good
< 1305540679 529702 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*n*(n!=16)
< 1305540684 715661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are our operations, right?
< 1305540690 37064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also output.
< 1305540691 827583 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to remove like 20 gigs of wasted space by converting all of that losslessness to psychoacoustically equivalent lossiness
< 1305540711 244183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, you goofed by not using a preset :)
< 1305540729 355127 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm?
< 1305540730 128205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm do you even turn joint stereo on there
< 1305540732 248051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you do
< 1305540743 125617 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always keep the originals somewhere.
< 1305540744 656421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: lame comes with preset groups of settings
< 1305540751 135081 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, so you have estimated 40 gigs of pure informativeness now?
< 1305540755 322280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are superior to your own choices in, like, a hundred percent of cases :)
< 1305540763 231704 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305540772 693951 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. I'm not very well-versed in lame.
< 1305540792 401121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <CakeProphet> [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame.
< 1305540792 872137 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I notice anything wrong sometime.
< 1305540795 326905 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​422) <.CakeProphet.>. [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame.
< 1305540802 176365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1305540804 719190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid special chars
< 1305540811 816599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote ​422
< 1305540813 506703 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305540815 405305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well you won't really :P
< 1305540823 287764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the wildly excessive -V0 anyway
< 1305540834 733696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: but seriously though
< 1305540835 508396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg, man
< 1305540837 959468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ogg??
< 1305540843 693629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise
< 1305540844 322414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorbis
< 1305540858 65185 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, consistency.
< 1305540862 58386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"consistency"?
< 1305540881 127481 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, keep a single file format or something. I honestly didn't have a reason for picking mp3.
< 1305540889 958209 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. I have an idea for golfing.
< 1305540922 453969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: vorbis = smaller files (much lower bitrate with same quality), more reliable seeking, better tag format, ~~~|~|~open standard|~|~|~|~ :P
< 1305540925 721795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wat
< 1305540934 897550 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check if it works
< 1305541005 30822 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went nowhere.
< 1305541013 344092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it?
< 1305541014 747075 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  too late now, I think. And I'd have to convert like 100 gigs of mp3s to vorbis, which would incur a slight quality loss.
< 1305541021 641728 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+';d='-';o=';print n;';s='*=n*(n!=16)*';while 1:exec "n"+input()+"=n>0"
< 1305541026 92917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: s/slight/awful/
< 1305541042 953080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I may convert any other FLACs I accumulate to ogg, however.
< 1305541047 769939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: oh, nice
< 1305541066 88474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: man, I refuse to believe you couldn't have backed all those precious flacs up by buying a cheapo external drive :)
< 1305541077 898862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S LIKE MURDER
< 1305541108 637151 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that script actually doesn't delete them. But yes I did immediately do a find . -name *.flac -delete after it finished. :P
< 1305541142 211656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monser :(
< 1305541153 187769 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305541154 50946 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1305541158 831865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+t
< 1305541160 922944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster
< 1305541168 165249 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything I can think of makes s larger
< 1305541177 296436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: darn
< 1305541179 348516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too large to be acceptable.
< 1305541233 481753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: note that exec "n[percent]s=n>0"[percent]input() is one byte shorter
< 1305541241 383670 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1305541245 604621 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already thought of that.
< 1305541251 188971 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305541257 363649 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did lifthrasiir actually do that yet?
< 1305541267 984798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what
< 1305541277 918157 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ify
< 1305541284 191806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir did mention something about saving space with formatting in that way
< 1305541287 843583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made me suspicious :)
< 1305541298 200894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would he write it out to check just for us? no, surely his solution involves it ;D
< 1305541397 316340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope
< 1305541402 226900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how that hostname reveals all his previous nicks :D
< 1305541406 757676 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar, but my code has fewer semicolons.
< 1305541441 752726 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1305541445 674231 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think of it.
< 1305541450 723022 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have quite a few possibilities to try.
< 1305541456 356459 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305541467 529672 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we do something involving input%[something]
< 1305541467 672523 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  so what was your suggested change to my script?
< 1305541471 520207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop that pinging-on-a-separate-line thing :P
< 1305541478 521892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: to replace it with that echo :D
< 1305541484 342633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Define [something]
< 1305541486 549978 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, IO in haskell is too hard.
< 1305541487 398229 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh right.
< 1305541500 943351 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard as in it uses a lot of bytes?
< 1305541528 391604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: naw it's not :)
< 1305541534 186448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's deadfish in haskell is pretty tiny already
< 1305541534 268672 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's the thing.
< 1305541538 655133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe oerjan can help you with haskell golfing, since he's a Haskell wizard.
< 1305541539 365079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers golfing his own
< 1305541544 515318 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, getting it work (with a reasonablly minimal code) is hard
< 1305541546 169225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be 2 chars or more, right?
< 1305541553 707859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hey i at /least/ count as an apprentice >:)
< 1305541553 789698 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it would be no benefit
< 1305541568 19354 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
< 1305541568 704348 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urg.
< 1305541569 363410 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY
< 1305541572 343425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try a Perl golf tomorrow..
< 1305541612 293384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia:  usually means you have two many tuple elements and not enough %'s
< 1305541615 974371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1305541623 888637 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I know.
< 1305541653 591931 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  I'm not too shabby with Haskell myself. But I'm certainly not advanced.
< 1305541743 8295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terse lambda syntax will be very helpful with haskell golfing I think.
< 1305541751 864752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that will help deadfish :)
< 1305541759 95297 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0>';o=';print ';s='*=(n!=16)*';while 1:exec "n%sn"%input()
< 1305541760 406552 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit.
< 1305541761 401999 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close.
< 1305541776 296756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0>
< 1305541777 940857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 0<
< 1305541794 587803 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305541802 419341 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i finally got it work. i wonder why i put the redundant return...
< 1305541804 703883 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o=';print ';s='*=(n!=16)*';while 1:exec"n%sn"%input()
< 1305541806 438917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o=';print ';s='*=(n!=16)*';while 1:exec'n%sn'%input()
< 1305541806 637659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduced a space...
< 1305541808 102677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte shaved
< 1305541808 518915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305541809 337725 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :163 bytes for now.
< 1305541810 984113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like how that hostname reveals all his previous nicks :D <-- well technically not uorygl (which i still see him using on reddit)
< 1305541820 703179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir:  too much C style programming probably. :P
< 1305541850 873372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1';d='-=0>=) (return 0) [f "i", f "s", ...] on the IO monad.
< 1305541873 101808 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305541876 52739 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is not quite imperative...
< 1305541878 38436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you may find the sequence function relevant
< 1305541879 614406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence
< 1305541880 395372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a]
< 1305541890 41473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1305541894 24141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl foldl (>>=)
< 1305541894 106122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (>>=)
< 1305541923 734249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle [a -> a -> m a] -> m a -> m a
< 1305541923 870406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldlM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> t b -> m a
< 1305541923 968254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad foldM :: Monad m => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a
< 1305541924 50203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldrM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m b) -> b -> t a -> m b
< 1305541929 970943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm
< 1305541945 697654 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uhm, (f instr v) returns a new value of accumulator, so it has to be folded.
< 1305541955 481834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost positive a Perl version would just s/// everything
< 1305541955 565919 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying not to use imports ;)
< 1305541970 683938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, s///ge, i think.
< 1305541976 834724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: right
< 1305541977 344558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..well, yes.
< 1305541989 837019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: are you repeating f all those times?
< 1305541999 776377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: presumably he is using map...
< 1305542004 513121 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, of course using map.
< 1305542022 643309 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = getContents >>= (\x -> foldl (>>=) (return 0) $ map f $ lines x)
< 1305542033 34591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an expanded version right :D
< 1305542051 939309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've got nothing.
< 1305542058 372291 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl (\x -> foldl (>>=) (return 0) $ map f $ lines x)
< 1305542058 454337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (>>=) (return 0) . map f . lines
< 1305542060 349496 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i'm very new to haskell, i think it has a room for improvements.
< 1305542060 816673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you can use foldl ((>>=).f) i think
< 1305542073 179355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1305542073 705111 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, right.
< 1305542086 50329 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl ftw
< 1305542089 765953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=getContents>>=foldl((>>=).f)(return 0).map f.lines
< 1305542093 816082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1305542093 942154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305542096 547932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=getContents>>=foldl((>>=).f)(return 0).lines
< 1305542096 644995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong argument order, slightly
< 1305542098 362855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1305542123 37865 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, yes it is.
< 1305542130 426404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier with foldr, that trick
< 1305542142 685044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:56:45:  bsmntbombdood is 15, clog is prolly <5, GregorR is... 18? immibis wouldn't tell me his age :P lament is older, i'm 18, pikhq is 17, RodgerTheGreat is 19, Sgeo is... 17? (random guess), SimonRC is... 17?
< 1305542145 726330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gregor is eighteen
< 1305542163 545541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually shouldn't it be foldr anyhow
< 1305542170 414892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is where we stand.
< 1305542170 728107 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :5	#esoteric	74	0.0918	11/05/16 19:25:47	0B / 37B / 32B
< 1305542174 991842 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1	lifthrasiir	71	0.0933	11/05/16 17:50:49	0B / 33B / 36B
< 1305542179 187175 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is our target.
< 1305542181 332161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: um
< 1305542183 198968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have seventy-three
< 1305542191 235369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you submit a version with borked linebreaks?
< 1305542197 479747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to submit it myself because i know how to fix that :)
< 1305542222 134609 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Unix system.
< 1305542230 497872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1305542232 94396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http is still \r\n
< 1305542236 947953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you need to upload a file instead
< 1305542242 530768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also strip off the final newline from the file
< 1305542247 640174 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305542285 385272 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will find :set noeol binary is helpful in vim.
< 1305542288 894129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ok maybe the argument order problem means you cannot save over map anyway
< 1305542297 869968 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you submit it.
< 1305542299 855832 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i think so.
< 1305542311 878488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: also it should be foldr, i'm pretty sure
< 1305542327 901475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait hm
< 1305542340 470812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: not until we shave off a byte :P
< 1305542361 299890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0B / 33B / 36B
< 1305542364 633214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0B / 37B / 32B
< 1305542365 147424 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it should be foldl, as >>= should be called in the input order
< 1305542369 560662 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the changed balance.
< 1305542381 338538 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-4 alphanum
< 1305542384 917108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok i'm just disturbed that you thus require a finite input :)
< 1305542391 857157 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :+4 symbols
< 1305542407 412995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: are we cheating with lifthrasiir's stat count?? :D
< 1305542412 116445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x op -> x >>= f op)
< 1305542412 197461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. f) . (>>=)
< 1305542417 62950 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it *has* to be finite. :p
< 1305542427 949191 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes.
< 1305542441 503161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: standard deadfish has no steenking need for finite input
< 1305542447 274195 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making 2 bytes of newline
< 1305542456 377407 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a golfing, with only three examples. :p
< 1305542457 79036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll grant the golf examples probably are
< 1305542472 33192 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\v -> print v >> return v)
< 1305542472 115055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (>>) print return
< 1305542472 720779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our total adds up to 69
< 1305542474 478439 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isn't counted?
< 1305542477 928531 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1305542484 686338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: newlines maybe
< 1305542491 213681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: @pl says it would be foldl ((.f).(>>=)) which is obviously too many extra chars
< 1305542515 199298 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl 33+36
< 1305542515 306457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69
< 1305542518 470036 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl 37+32
< 1305542518 551171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69
< 1305542541 136592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl as an evaluator :D
< 1305542542 268570 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol is [!\"\#$%&'()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\\]^_`{|}~].
< 1305542548 109138 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, there is some characters not in any categories.
< 1305542553 872661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : main = getContents >>= (\x -> foldl (>>=) (return 0) $ map f $ lines x) <-- aka main = getContents >>= foldl (>>=) (return 0) . map f . lines
< 1305542555 45103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1305542556 145046 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are?
< 1305542561 753760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh elliott already said
< 1305542568 683437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:08:27:  does glass-0.12 support input?
< 1305542568 844332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:11:44:  does glass-0.12 support input?
< 1305542568 927386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:11:50:  as in, the I class?
< 1305542569 9166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:14:35:  i repeat: does glass-0.12 support input?
< 1305542569 9399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:14:45:  glass-0.7 doesn't.
< 1305542573 447012 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, whitespaces.
< 1305542575 103754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis' patience is astonishing
< 1305542612 340977 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah pointfree style is turned out to be quite helpful in golfing... ;)
< 1305542635 234750 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass has the most sophisticated object oriented input handling of all esolangs
< 1305542638 367493 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!
< 1305542649 787276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from ORK
< 1305542650 683169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305542658 893333 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so, eh.
< 1305542661 295731 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tough contest.
< 1305542673 729510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to invent a new esolang. It's been a while.
< 1305542684 577414 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the prefixes and postfixes consisting of letters?
< 1305542691 163010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the prospect of updating http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ehird deters me somewhat.
< 1305542693 314302 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a concept for a poetry-based language.
< 1305542698 58445 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's about as far as I've gotten.
< 1305542702 695019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you SEEN the code to that thing????
< 1305542728 49577 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I. but the sun is starting to rise, which means I should go to sleep.
< 1305542736 243876 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night, all.
< 1305542755 666058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell goes to sleep that early :o
< 1305542767 777542 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, does it matter?
< 1305542769 668899 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<
< 1305542770 976677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like
< 1305542775 638752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep as soon as you wake up
< 1305542778 604731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've only been up like
< 1305542780 154241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty hours
< 1305542781 377582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous
< 1305542790 576897 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey we do have a way to use div and span now, remember?
< 1305542793 243090 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, does it?
< 1305542807 675649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but I'm not about to _port_ that page
< 1305542825 426366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: besides the template engine would probably go out back and shoot itself.
< 1305542956 208025 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305542958 893874 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll purge your user page.
< 1305542973 143383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seirously.
< 1305542976 966262 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously*
< 1305542978 528147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make me write a script to drop lines whose contents are "elliott."
< 1305542981 626014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305542983 322748 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's up with the user page?
< 1305542989 398264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: What's up with it??? It's AWESOME.
< 1305542992 93077 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems simple enough to modify.
< 1305542993 747019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Snowman in the Land of Snow.
< 1305543003 879188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Dude, it features a u tag inside an i tag inside a b tag.
< 1305543006 804240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emulating a list.
< 1305543017 689666 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 bytes.
< 1305543061 887021 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone interested, my entry is: r=return;f"i"v=r(v+1);f"d"v=r$max(v-1)0;f"s"16=r 0;f"s"v=r$v*v;f"o"v=print v>>r v;main=getContents>>=foldl(>>=)(r 0).map f.lines
< 1305543065 74492 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I cannot determine the magic of which you used
< 1305543099 358009 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, my prefix consists of one byte, and suffix (yes i have one) consists of two bytes.
< 1305543135 423954 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as i'm going to go home i'll be afk from now on... good luck on golfing. :)
< 1305543145 904622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um doesn't the contest keep the 256 wrapping rule?
< 1305543162 220968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but it only tests it by squaring
< 1305543163 841657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never by incrementing
< 1305543174 961720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:)
< 1305543181 631332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh :D
< 1305543191 639031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice cheat i guess
< 1305543253 121697 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :iissds[31 is]
< 1305543257 341176 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortest way to test it I can think of.
< 1305543258 759965 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah.
< 1305543326 584580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, lessee, r=return;f"s"16=r 0 vs r 256=r 0;r n=return n
< 1305543353 848406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the cheat save 3 chars
< 1305543363 443822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*saves
< 1305543470 72431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305543506 775712 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1';d='-=n>0';o=';print n';s='*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec"n%s"%input()
< 1305543510 673666 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we trim three bytes off that?
< 1305543526 56475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec'n'+input()
< 1305543526 789206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh :)
< 1305543565 442129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was two
< 1305543578 754776 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but that's longer
< 1305543585 845079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no
< 1305543587 464230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not
< 1305543589 355897 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do we not trust lifthrasiir.
< 1305543596 500806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir used a suffix, duh
< 1305543599 635145 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305543603 83979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't
< 1305543605 25671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a suffix
< 1305543607 586622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + is shorter
< 1305543611 746922 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what suffix can you use to trim that down?
< 1305543618 144726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1305543635 515659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything other than n that makes sense?
< 1305543643 930197 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a prefix.
< 1305543650 573279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=n, maybe
< 1305543887 438110 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-n>0';o=';print n';s='*n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec"n=n%s"%input()
< 1305543890 761214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of postfix would help?
< 1305543907 130256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1305543917 253211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps n)?
< 1305543925 672366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then s='*n*(16!='
< 1305543931 383822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And o=';print('
< 1305543939 864032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And d='-(0<'
< 1305543948 503051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i='+1;('
< 1305544152 695318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305544159 530863 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 char longer
< 1305544212 32939 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way n can be better than n=n
< 1305544217 325347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1305544221 245444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, we're golfing
< 1305544224 626513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1305544249 3520 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305544365 3732 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : similar, but my code has fewer semicolons.
< 1305544367 366193 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you manage that?
< 1305544382 209615 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia, hmm, my prefix consists of one byte, and suffix (yes i have one) consists of two bytes.
< 1305544385 384078 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What useful non--
< 1305544387 4052 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second.
< 1305544483 316303 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec"p"+input()
< 1305544485 438466 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :One byte'd
< 1305544490 769363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the p.
< 1305544491 420511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305544492 459292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god.
< 1305544493 878004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's...
< 1305544496 87475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's perverse.
< 1305544501 565134 :HolyBlood!jassumjas@77.29.8.8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305544507 692931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I can beat this record of yours.
< 1305544550 504510 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then...
< 1305544576 698730 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you reduce that?
< 1305544578 435764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;(';d='-=(0<';o='rint(';s='*=p*(16!=';while 1:exec'p%sp)'%input()
< 1305544579 213737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit.
< 1305544581 975519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's longer.
< 1305544681 266623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: P.S. Stop using double-quoted strings, they're ugly. :p
< 1305544696 372396 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1305544707 852738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm
< 1305544717 739119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is tricky.
< 1305544724 512802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1305544728 935256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Your record is seventy-two bytes, right?
< 1305544731 25353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305544733 285618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's seventy-two bytes.
< 1305544739 312944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is your...
< 1305544742 510380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your record is seventy-one.
< 1305544754 832220 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :God.
< 1305544758 437467 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did my brain come up with that idea?
< 1305544766 798695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Using p?
< 1305544770 880288 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1305544771 427344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty scared of you for that one.
< 1305544779 408546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... breaking levels of abstraction that were not meant to be broken.
< 1305544792 705061 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyword abuse?
< 1305544794 359503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1305544807 426728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305544810 441245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth could his suffix be
< 1305544816 805613 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305544823 425122 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think he did the 'p' thing too, or did he do something else?
< 1305544828 144476 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to stop doing the highlight thing
< 1305544833 152796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305544836 20268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect he did the p thing too.
< 1305544842 825529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said that something I thought didn't matter mattered a lot.
< 1305544851 10635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd said previously that his h variable was cute but didn't really matter.
< 1305544873 641972 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey.
< 1305544883 522564 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he didn't use it, ask him if he has the string "rint" in his program.
< 1305544886 137489 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back, finally you found it... ;)
< 1305544888 873610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305544898 440046 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes the first one is p-rint thing.)
< 1305544901 714432 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs lifthrasiir in the heart
< 1305544910 613941 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals and eats said heart
< 1305544915 463586 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305544920 339407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now Lymia is the lizard queen
< 1305544931 419869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1305544932 871430 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets heartburn
< 1305544935 168282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could the second thing be...
< 1305544936 678404 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too meaty.
< 1305544945 56540 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should go for 80 bytes.
< 1305544994 760482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already got below that...
< 1305545000 663669 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :70*]
< 1305545005 268202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, that's the goal
< 1305545005 350186 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :**
< 1305545012 876532 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it to PM?
< 1305545012 987446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we need to replicate lifthrasiir's achievement first :)
< 1305545016 952199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw
< 1305545023 565224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody in here is going to run off with the solution or anything
< 1305545030 532629 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except me.
< 1305545033 327452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's plenty of good golfers that might be able to help :P
< 1305545050 820231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is what we have right now, for the amusement factor: p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305545079 931866 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then...
< 1305545097 71612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you golfing, specifically?
< 1305545112 672951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish?
< 1305545121 477403 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish, where 255+1 = 256
< 1305545122 868116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Deadfish, with the caveat that all input is on a line of its own
< 1305545128 916788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 255+1 is never tested
< 1305545134 728258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 16*16 is?
< 1305545137 206190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and occasionally "h" is used at the end, but we just let it error out to halt and that's fine
< 1305545138 357467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed
< 1305545138 672037 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305545146 475332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key to understanding the above is to note that python's input() evals
< 1305545151 12001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Python's
< 1305545154 718297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what an arbitrary set of conditions
< 1305545162 604106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh
< 1305545164 696047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the h thing is irrelevant
< 1305545170 403628 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since examples do not test the interpreters thoroughly
< 1305545174 713300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 255+1 thing ... well, Deadfish's wrapping is insane anyway
< 1305545177 374859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I meant the 255+1 thing
< 1305545219 90517 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :God.
< 1305545223 799663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We managed to make Python look like perl.
< 1305545225 986388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's f-ing fast[exclamation mark]" --IE9 web ad
< 1305545228 1213 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we be proud?
< 1305545229 826290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that...
< 1305545232 257895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft...
< 1305545235 815657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: this doesn't really look like perl
< 1305545242 110249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl golfing results have a lot more symbols
< 1305545252 254695 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1305545293 394023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Can you reveal the first character of your prefix? :-D
< 1305545302 866811 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hold on~
< 1305545304 869899 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try something
< 1305545337 216750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305545371 401954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<=';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input()
< 1305545373 786486 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 1 byte longer
< 1305545375 951444 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope. ;)
< 1305545387 822481 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, elliott.
< 1305545389 447179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: second byte? :D
< 1305545391 840368 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think you are very close to my solution
< 1305545393 466082 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we use (operation)p
< 1305545399 796570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: eh?
< 1305545421 301786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input()
< 1305545423 794499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the equal sign was unnecessary
< 1305545424 964852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is equal now
< 1305545445 564570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305545446 101022 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying some alternative approaches, without success so far.
< 1305545447 894654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one char over
< 1305545448 379509 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is.
< 1305545453 173039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one char over
< 1305545456 846716 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 Take it to PM? <-- #esoteric, where the most on-topic conversations are being asked to take it to pm
< 1305546349 954984 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in this case, it's for secrecy's sake.
< 1305546358 369393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did my connection time out _through an ethernet cable_.
< 1305546396 588487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your router: it is fucked.
< 1305546521 323118 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do call connecters "female" and "male"
< 1305546648 949006 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ran out of electrons
< 1305546895 494799 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a seven to
< 1305547016 9694 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :router fucked? don't worry, i fix
< 1305547017 658832 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fukung.net/v/30871/9fc6f08b367a738e4cf60d17a790e607.jpg
< 1305547408 431412 :HolyBlood!jassumjas@77.29.8.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305547479 136131 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : 02:56:45:  bsmntbombdood is 15, clog is prolly <5, GregorR is... 18? immibis wouldn't tell me his age :P lament is older, i'm 18, pikhq is 17, RodgerTheGreat is 19, Sgeo is... 17? (random guess), SimonRC is... 17?
< 1305547481 698536 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on the list.
< 1305547482 715788 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What gives.
< 1305547537 797970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither am I
< 1305547564 712461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my age is probably publicly available
< 1305547564 956964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful, as I can no longer remember what it is
< 1305547565 716313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I just mentally calculated it at 24)
< 1305547570 789059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from 07.
< 1305547578 935285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Lymia used to be someone else here.
< 1305547596 649792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Worrying things: when Debian decides to identify as "wheezy/sid".
< 1305547670 983520 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how old am I then?
< 1305547690 914210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1305547705 881603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I only quoted that line because of how hilariously wrong it is, so I could just make up a number if you wanted.
< 1305547712 629307 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up?
< 1305547713 730273 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :' 3'
< 1305547723 173149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you're 11.
< 1305547728 180000 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305547728 655719 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i think they are all represented in hexadecimal.
< 1305547731 687387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1305547747 223369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: plausible :D
< 1305547782 629835 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only applicable to some other planet than earth.
< 1305547833 645954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have a more serious guess?
< 1305547834 850832 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious.
< 1305547878 221422 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40e1f.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305547881 204217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be rather young because you're asking, but you never talk so how could anyone know
< 1305547907 243483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i'm terrible at estimating people's ages
< 1305547917 624696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because i always inflate the estimate to avoid offending people or something?
< 1305547943 97039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's kind of hard to guess when your frame of reference is fucked up enough that nobody can guess /yours/ :)
< 1305547980 190223 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1305547996 240957 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, stop using loic.
< 1305547997 567029 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic*
< 1305548013 46092 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna guess Lymia is 16 because it's a very neutral age
< 1305548037 76011 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i would never use logic
< 1305548088 51613 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is the other reduction also perverse?
< 1305548092 230491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 16 sounds vaguely right
< 1305548096 24107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guess is just based on the ring of it
< 1305548097 19934 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduction!
< 1305548098 80976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic is irrelevant ofc
< 1305548109 480593 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a reduction today
< 1305548113 773888 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove P = NP
< 1305548119 352159 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did have some assumptions tho
< 1305548131 511338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: now you have to report on the accuracy of our guess
< 1305548158 912765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1305548166 251844 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a guess, so +-infinity
< 1305548186 714981 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.8.8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305548193 986495 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe */infinity, but certainly not +-
< 1305548195 552184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Oh come on, you can't openly solicit guesses then be coy about it.
< 1305548208 726110 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're off by 2.
< 1305548227 588040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 ;D
< 1305548259 643543 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're off by +-4
< 1305548270 320947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10
< 1305548275 520737 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305548277 6603 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooo math prob
< 1305548288 8580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, sixteen is two off from ten
< 1305548288 889489 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard tho
< 1305548292 750645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGIC
< 1305548295 257187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is quite sure she mentioned being in grade school in here
< 1305548302 773655 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is grade school
< 1305548315 877921 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she? are you femaly?
< 1305548323 119038 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything below college and above kindergarten.
< 1305548326 531064 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *female
< 1305548328 577422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you saying you're actually 10 because sixteen is so not two off from ten :D
< 1305548351 711993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "femaly" is a really great word
< 1305548359 850285 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why i almost didn't correct it
< 1305548361 172661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even the beestst word
< 1305548394 450940 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not 10.
< 1305548394 721989 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i'm currently looking for a gf/fuckbuddy, are you in finland by any chance?
< 1305548400 377998 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, pedophile.
< 1305548415 795156 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i did manage to solve the problem
< 1305548422 863111 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i'm a mathematician
< 1305548427 660443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,addquote all that text
< 1305548436 911035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oklopol, you so wacky
< 1305548443 12682 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm 14.
< 1305548446 990193 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiat what
< 1305548448 506997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been golfing with a little girl.
< 1305548451 886247 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedophile.
< 1305548455 408662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 ;D
< 1305548455 640972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You're off by +-4
< 1305548457 437528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible lies :(
< 1305548467 26718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wait someone younger than me in here who isn't an idiot?
< 1305548468 554656 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-4 includes a difference by "0"
< 1305548469 77527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not allowed : (
< 1305548474 281253 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanting to have sex with a 14yo doesn't make you a pedophile
< 1305548487 730815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically correct. the best kind of correct
< 1305548508 290851 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanting to have sex with someone who's prepubescent makes you a pedophile
< 1305548530 651673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember being 14, it was... uh... pretty much like being 15 is to be honest
< 1305548549 430335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i would say the experience is effectively equivalent
< 1305548553 252941 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember being 13, it was... uh... pretty much like being 14 is to be honest
< 1305548568 609121 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I was just started in programming
< 1305548570 17959 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 21 was way different than being 22
< 1305548570 168906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember being three, in fact i am three
< 1305548577 96002 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too embarrassed to show code.
< 1305548578 870627 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAY different
< 1305548579 436211 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well, yeah.
< 1305548582 169433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: lol you just started programming when you were 13? n00blet
< 1305548596 943677 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I should add the qualifier "serious"
< 1305548599 627678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION desperately tries to forget his horrific age-8 experience with PHP.
< 1305548604 793096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many wasted years : (
< 1305548613 579513 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall messing with Lego robotics.
< 1305548621 413663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really have a ph.d. by this point, dunno where it all went wrong
< 1305548625 772443 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never managed anything serious, as changing things around got too annoying.
< 1305548640 14211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it went wrong when you encountered the education system
< 1305548671 800348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait shit asiekierka is 13 now isn't he
< 1305548688 707840 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka?
< 1305548690 565211 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know him?
< 1305548695 280995 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? the education system has been great towards elliott
< 1305548701 386375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes. he comes here regularly to be a complete and utter idiot.
< 1305548710 176245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not so regularly nowadays
< 1305548728 134695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. because he's gay and likes to get fucked in the ass.
< 1305548731 965835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305548749 231855 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1305548753 840863 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was clear enough
< 1305548760 22145 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, that's not a nice thing to say
< 1305548777 722845 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: then you didn't get it
< 1305548799 964667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rape is never funny.
< 1305548801 633192 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305548898 921578 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's different for males, see when we get fucked in the ass we like to brag about it with our buddies
< 1305548921 11079 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you still have no idea what i'm talking about
< 1305548921 177122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia: lol you just started programming when you were 13? n00blet
< 1305548922 627014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi!
< 1305548932 761216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nooblet
< 1305548957 780322 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, sickos.
< 1305549004 356459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is it possible to die of laughter im just checking
< 1305549015 731756 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes.
< 1305549027 265563 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add water to mouth.
< 1305549028 100504 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laugh.
< 1305549051 157352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i remember being 14, it was... uh... pretty much like being 15 is to be honest
< 1305549064 148209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't witnessed the sunny uplands of being 16 yet.
< 1305549081 165676 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and the transition from 19 to 20, wow THAT was something
< 1305549081 444079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I recall messing with Lego robotics.
< 1305549092 90128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once did that for work experience.
< 1305549109 235152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover how experienced with work would you say you are
< 1305549123 392838 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it didn't go well at all.
< 1305549142 543397 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall doing scripts in Touhou Danmakufu around 12, though nothing serious at all.
< 1305549158 612939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, any work that entails messing around with Lego robots is probably delegatable to me.
< 1305549174 15292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle.
< 1305549187 468107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle.
< 1305549188 973188 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​423)  Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle.
< 1305549352 355488 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pedo
< 1305549373 475927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You two are both pathetic, I learnt Lisp like a month after starting programming.
< 1305549393 632217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learnt lisp about 10 years after starting programming
< 1305549409 731400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barfed out the lisp self-interpreter five nanoseconds after the universe began
< 1305549414 753391 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i STILL don't know how to make coffee
< 1305549441 739422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i learnt lisp years before starting programming
< 1305549459 314975 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least i'm sure i read a book about lisp with no access to an implementation
< 1305549478 675240 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same with basic, even earlier)
< 1305549506 673572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wanting to have sex with a 14yo doesn't make you a pedophile
< 1305549510 955228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it makes you cheater.
< 1305549519 474413 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a book about c++ when i was 10 or something and found i could program it just fine when i first tried it at 14 or something
< 1305549548 919960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have briefly started entertaining the notion that cheater_ _is_ roman polanski, since he brought up the name
< 1305549569 329122 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or a normal adult male
< 1305549610 580301 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on what kind of wanting it is i suppose, if your *dick
< 1305549615 834224 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :* minds, that's just weird
< 1305549626 792179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all the pieces fit except for the fact that cheater does not appear to have any sort of creative talent at all
< 1305549633 754593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... probably... no
< 1305549661 215432 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  good point.
< 1305549670 92405 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my mind, cheater is the guy who doesn't do anything particularly anything, and everyone hates him
< 1305549681 746347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mind known as reality
< 1305549724 856311 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1305549727 842169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people never say that to me
< 1305549744 291024 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  we are all figments of your imagination.
< 1305549760 906087 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately it is a very vivid imagination, so we don't really mind.
< 1305549761 108233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain a lot.
< 1305549792 558905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you wouldn't want to be in my imagination
< 1305549795 453889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw oerjan i found your photo again in the logs
< 1305549800 80363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... obviously not a photo of you i mean come on
< 1305549801 500283 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you _might_ want to cut down on the pain and suffering a bit, but otherwise fine.
< 1305549807 634142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how gullible do you think we are
< 1305549815 243460 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll consider that
< 1305549821 526214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well.
< 1305549848 527797 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found an ASM patch to the Super Mario World ROM from... late 2008
< 1305549850 88079 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I win?
< 1305549850 518762 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305549877 610890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: is it a golfed Deadfish interp in Python?
< 1305549880 428458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, probably not
< 1305549894 869700 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey.
< 1305549903 681902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1305549904 625369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've found an ASM patch to the Super Mario World ROM from... late 2008
< 1305549910 384449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm isn't really coding it's more... munging
< 1305549920 733576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inference states that I first wrote a program before that.
< 1305549921 379264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a lot less talent, otoh this means it's difficult if you're actually any good at progrmaming
< 1305549938 837318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in other news, roman numeral look and say seems rather more complicated to analyse than i hoped
< 1305549959 691041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, classical numerals or medieval?
< 1305549971 661133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's probably a good thing, right?
< 1305549973 146833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be TC
< 1305549982 543954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "brute force?"
< 1305549982 713151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IV kinds.  the IIII is much more trivial.
< 1305549985 78057 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right.
< 1305549985 740919 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1305549986 761051 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v
< 1305550004 215954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it might be TC
< 1305550008 514388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305550009 827260 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should revisit hacking at SMW's assembly some day.
< 1305550010 311211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so awesome
< 1305550013 507516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with IIII you can only add groups at the beginning, so no exponential growth)
< 1305550020 373337 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you want to see some of my earlier code?
< 1305550029 274709 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a "pleasant" sight~
< 1305550054 682109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite clearly none of you have seen my horrifying sort function written in CL.
< 1305550066 84020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SHOW
< 1305550067 34889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: feeling embarassed at your early code is the sign of a good programmer
< 1305550071 276447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noöne will, since it was on the laptop my father spilt wine onto last night.
< 1305550075 410109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1305550079 486246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a sign of a terrible flawed programmer
< 1305550082 19924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the hard drive probably isn't unrecoverable
< 1305550082 493537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you code
< 1305550083 294836 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305550084 652347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly
< 1305550086 28251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the start
< 1305550089 14733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's no embarrassment ever
< 1305550091 852020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody codes perfectly from the start
< 1305550094 851224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even you
< 1305550096 351301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, says he who started with PHP.
< 1305550104 406720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, what an amazing way to cover up for your insecurities
< 1305550110 710588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful denial
< 1305550116 8344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT CODING FROM THE START IS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE WAY
< 1305550129 883760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for years the only programming language I had access to was VBA for Excel
< 1305550130 358238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should basically just euthanise everyone who writes an imperfect program basically.
< 1305550135 104279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really expect me to write perfect code in that?
< 1305550135 765076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant master race of coders.
< 1305550137 928898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes.
< 1305550189 858668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that means, that you've just admitted that it's possible to write perfect code in VBA
< 1305550193 19108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I win the argument by default
< 1305550211 392473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you just have to write an interpreter for the perfect language in it first
< 1305550215 717011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying you can do it
< 1305550218 850063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying i expect you to
< 1305550221 748600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you will be executed
< 1305550230 791641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the interpreter wouldn't itself be perfect
< 1305550232 896403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being written in VBA
< 1305550256 320888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you die.
< 1305550289 130208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: vague death threats is not a very good method of winning an argument
< 1305550295 396841 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs elliott in the spinal cord.
< 1305550295 622839 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1305550300 155306 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death threats fixed.
< 1305550309 821671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now actual killing on the other hand...
< 1305550316 339298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ha ha ha wow you think that can kill me
< 1305550319 975927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funnyEXCLAMATION MARKS
< 1305550324 920419 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can kill you.
< 1305550326 572474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not a threat, I'm simply describing the new regime
< 1305550329 14542 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can cripple you for life.
< 1305550339 59342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr
< 1305550348 124538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, have you made a Brainfuck derivative?
< 1305550361 578849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot hath not yet returned :(
< 1305550361 660659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, not yet.
< 1305550364 295913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made two BF derivatives, both of which are actually interesting!
< 1305550367 575752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not YET
< 1305550370 497749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you count that really perverse thing I did for CraftBook.
< 1305550375 529876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that counts.
< 1305550381 559389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was looking to explore new computational ground, I just used BF as a base
< 1305550392 118514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brick-brain transplants Lymia.
< 1305550398 111663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now bricked
< 1305550399 598357 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305550408 510717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1305550409 668661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOT ERR 404: BRAIN NOT FOUND
< 1305550431 890332 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What now?
< 1305550439 277770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TIME IS RIGHT
< 1305550451 941928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, rapture in 5 days, i hear
< 1305550458 473506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFGLED BLEG FLOJMONT
< 1305550466 764455 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes.
< 1305550496 439172 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The atheists and non-radical Christians will be saved,
< 1305550501 500864 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All others have done too much wrong.
< 1305550508 87173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE YOU REPENTED YOUR BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE SINS YET?
< 1305550516 760366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what about agnostics?
< 1305550519 363550 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and non-radical :NOT_CHRISTIAN_RELIGION:)
< 1305550520 550108 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure.
< 1305550529 420441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about maratreans
< 1305550548 976809 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305550551 917171 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no.
< 1305550576 770478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGNOSTICS MUST PERISH
< 1305550596 981948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know about that.
< 1305550609 361942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maratreans, maytreyans and mithraists
< 1305550635 520941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maitreyans
< 1305550638 576742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hyuk hyuk hyuk
< 1305550660 497393 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, http://craftbook.sk89q.com/wiki/Perlstone < does this count as a BF derivative?
< 1305550672 913558 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're asking, the goal was to make something that fits onto Minecraft's 15x4 signs.
< 1305550681 367206 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I succeeded.
< 1305550693 434432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perlstone is a surname that belongs to some special Australian's"
< 1305550712 969560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some special australian's what
< 1305550715 742749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that doesn't look very BF-y at all.
< 1305550721 62937 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh.
< 1305550726 338694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which are your bf derivatives, btw?
< 1305550727 997444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stack based, after all.
< 1305550733 26962 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loop construct is kinda-BF-derived
< 1305550736 189804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverses the brick-brain transplant.
< 1305550748 814897 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a backup server in her torso
< 1305550753 719306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reversible BF, DoFuck
< 1305550759 254950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you are not forgiven for not using dc.
< 1305550768 577322 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305550783 99956 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i helped invent dimensifuck, didn't i
< 1305550813 826540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brickbrains oerjan, moves onto ais523 before realising he is out of bricks.
< 1305550841 32530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DoFuck is TC, but I'm not entirely sure if it's BF-complete (in fact, it almost certainly isn't due to having no way to write a program that sometimes produces output and sometimes doesn't, although it might be if you allow backspace to delete characters)
< 1305550859 630842 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bricks Phantom_Hoover's brain with Rabies
< 1305550882 214378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't made a Brainfuck derivative!
< 1305550910 717790 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make Functionfuck
< 1305550937 477452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is Brainfuck with functions then I am going to have to use oerjan's brick on you.
< 1305550937 633453 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck and Unlambda's evil child.
< 1305550952 628360 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, no.
< 1305550956 574706 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck except functional.
< 1305550963 762567 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use church numerals for numbers.
< 1305550971 971097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oerjan: Can we all take a moment to stare sternly at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Feather&curid=3601&diff=22891&oldid=20446
< 1305550981 594263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the fact that it's marked as minor
< 1305550987 528193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares sternly.
< 1305550999 12680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think the article gets the Feather situation across too well, so I'd just call it an honest mistake
< 1305551009 323808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, the sternness continues unabated
< 1305551016 953343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, adding a category like that should never be a minor edit, should it?
< 1305551027 438375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be if it had just been left off by mistake
< 1305551044 357901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. [[Category:2011]] on an article that specifically says the lang was created in 2011
< 1305551056 949417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:2011]] isn't a Category Like That
< 1305551103 311108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305551106 956414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: This is the best we've got so far, right?
< 1305551111 845346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305551121 252770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so we know there's a two-byte suffix.
< 1305551127 855194 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is known.
< 1305551129 174160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, I'd say that was a stupid idea and abandon it, but I have lost the ability to abandon stupid ideas.
< 1305551166 156273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Is the suffix p)? Is the suffix +p? Is the suffix *p?
< 1305551186 178740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think a!=b should expand to a=a!b, for consistency
< 1305551194 145322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ! is totally a binary operator in BCPL)
< 1305551205 491188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do in BCPL?
< 1305551214 443771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a!b in BCPL is equivalent to a[b] in C
< 1305551227 584383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ([code]) = store function cell
< 1305551228 737912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although BCPL is untyped
< 1305551235 90417 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = apply last cell to current cell.
< 1305551243 159179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can do it on arbitrary integers if you really want to, without even needing casts
< 1305551247 490659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< = the same...
< 1305551255 706879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, no, that is not stupid enough.
< 1305551262 858346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1305551269 572715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: BF operations don't look at more than one cell
< 1305551274 373420 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right.
< 1305551285 773502 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the brainchild of Unlambda and Brainfuck be then?
< 1305551297 443500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is deadfish up on anagolf yet?
< 1305551301 372228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hideous
< 1305551306 553702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been up for days
< 1305551307 269794 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make it?
< 1305551315 882125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, I need to beat lifthrasiir first
< 1305551322 470433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1305551335 437496 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305551338 450187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try those prefixes.
< 1305551340 10095 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then try...
< 1305551349 259313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prefix is p, undoubtedly
< 1305551352 64098 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1305551354 959893 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :postfixes*
< 1305551367 779807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still annoyed that
< 1305551368 257673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;(';d='-=(0<';o='rint(';s='*=p*(16!=';while 1:exec'p%sp)'%input()
< 1305551369 114778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it
< 1305551372 29124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so close
< 1305551412 453230 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp?
< 1305551417 135717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about just p for suffix
< 1305551417 216971 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right.
< 1305551421 410776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no )
< 1305551431 413786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d", 'i', 'o', 's');
< 1305551434 817403 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 111 115
< 1305551439 754434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we know lifthrasiir's suffix is two bytes :)
< 1305551450 641383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cakeprophet came up with some formulas that make them sequential, IIRC
< 1305551452 870186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but have you tried it?
< 1305551454 544532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's');
< 1305551456 380327 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 100 111 115
< 1305551464 534296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, no; I will
< 1305551477 422147 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's', 'h');
< 1305551480 499731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I think I have maybe
< 1305551483 121884 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's', 'h');
< 1305551485 214428 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 100 111 115
< 1305551488 864022 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's', 'h');
< 1305551490 829208 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 100 111 115 104
< 1305551494 702397 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :His formulas fail.
< 1305551495 905530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305551496 212711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input()
< 1305551496 883436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1305551498 273503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h = d
< 1305551500 471520 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually.
< 1305551500 820114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lengthens it
< 1305551505 386218 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That WOULD be acceptable.
< 1305551510 343376 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as o didn't follow.
< 1305551525 762981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing follows h
< 1305551556 916705 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305551790 709280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's boolean not in python?
< 1305551831 385031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can it be applied to a numeral?
< 1305551849 92988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1305551849 781732 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
< 1305551856 453437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no python :(
< 1305551883 314265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -e 'print "test"
< 1305551883 653212 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most esoteric language of them all.
< 1305551884 545526 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305551885 337204 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :English
< 1305551886 642176 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -e 'print "test"'
< 1305551887 918918 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305551893 790476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1305551902 843807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print "test"'
< 1305551904 449522 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​test
< 1305551919 956238 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print (!2)'
< 1305551920 972157 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305551942 193408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it python has no short boolean not
< 1305551965 716588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print (!2)' 2>&1
< 1305551966 726516 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​File "", line 1 \     print (!2) \            ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax
< 1305551975 567103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm what's boolean not in python?
< 1305551976 646733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not"
< 1305551979 303513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and can it be applied to a numeral?
< 1305551979 783520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305551980 261259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1305551990 868744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try egobot
< 1305551991 141456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that doesn't help replace 0<
< 1305551997 466112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it has python?
< 1305552000 214659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot has no python, i said
< 1305552000 705866 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott.
< 1305552009 565386 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highlight you.
< 1305552012 325083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not, not [exclamation mark]
< 1305552028 782530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MORON
< 1305552034 60057 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also.
< 1305552038 620955 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made the best quine ever.
< 1305552042 428749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat
< 1305552047 139039 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to get irritated again
< 1305552055 170765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: o.o
< 1305552066 163453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh, chill?
< 1305552068 903178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: old
< 1305552072 650954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[
< 1305552123 39777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've got the Perl down to 71
< 1305552130 346463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$p=$p~~[-1,256]||$p+1,/d/?$p-=2:/o/?print--$p,$/:/s/&&($p=--$p**2)for<>
< 1305552131 31236 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 |
< 1305552131 332804 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                /|
< 1305552132 413696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i _really_ shouldn't try programming when i'm in this mood
< 1305552134 598234 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it line noise?
< 1305552142 818617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implements the whole spec, including 255+1 = 0
< 1305552150 79638 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: myndzi certainly seems to think so :D
< 1305552155 752047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sheehs, start cheating already
< 1305552159 45279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]sheesh
< 1305552165 805616 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you cut out +1 support?
< 1305552169 228111 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\
< 1305552174 54714 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/
< 1305552177 629174 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[
< 1305552179 521336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's with the -- in the squaring?
< 1305552180 65389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not obviously
< 1305552189 358406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nick alignment, you need spaces
< 1305552190 17657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because the bit at the start always increments p
< 1305552200 899608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get it to output 0 rather than ""
< 1305552207 556993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an o command is run right at the start
< 1305552243 300389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it never is
< 1305552245 388048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to
< 1305552246 535261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305552250 281589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think
< 1305552313 243784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is ais523, lawful good programmer you're talking to :P
< 1305552325 786369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is
< 1305552329 456118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the third set
< 1305552341 511487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have not done that messing around if it wasn't necessary, as I wouldn't even have noticed there was a problem
< 1305552343 235098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: just oooone measly hint? :DDD
< 1305552361 909881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been drawing a blank for hours now
< 1305552374 686537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many chars is lifthrasiir beating you with?
< 1305552378 851227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one
< 1305552389 491817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305552394 1319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bit of info we know is
< 1305552409 767772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his looks like while 1:exec'p%sXY'%input()
< 1305552411 186573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some XY
< 1305552430 979933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you've tried p)
< 1305552434 284924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305552446 925847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just plain p
< 1305552465 595506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p=p prefix only worsened things, right?
< 1305552473 320538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that destroys the rint trick
< 1305552479 913129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, we gave up on that hours ago :P
< 1305552482 201998 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305552490 648557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rint trick was the one that got us down to this count
< 1305552531 605955 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how p suffix should make it _longer_?
< 1305552531 927999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305552545 590422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes up bytes to have it there
< 1305552549 160798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't pay their debt
< 1305552552 332292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305552552 607407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input()
< 1305552554 537216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305552558 594774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lengthens i, shortens d,o,s
< 1305552590 56159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires 3 extra chars, sigh
< 1305552627 740228 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means whatever lifthrasiir uses must save _4_ chars otherwise
< 1305552643 57813 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can be reduced from everything at the end?
< 1305552647 380892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said he used less semicolons?
< 1305552657 825761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305552691 602123 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only i i and o are used
< 1305552693 686093 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1305552695 958624 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start
< 1305552737 269575 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might it be possible to kill the p=0?
< 1305552770 532825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305552773 533489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about the old version
< 1305552778 323136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the less semicolons thing is true any more
< 1305552791 508138 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305552799 193808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wat
< 1305552806 685250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print p'
< 1305552807 718270 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305552812 597589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print p' 2>&1
< 1305552813 644501 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "", line 1, in  \ NameError: name 'p' is not defined
< 1305552822 302569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, o is done without i before it
< 1305552826 346375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the third test
< 1305552840 182170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'p=q=0; print p' 2>&1
< 1305552841 364030 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0
< 1305552849 167749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'p=q=2; print p' 2>&1
< 1305552850 360907 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​2
< 1305552856 35903 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1305552890 654043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not good if shell scripts and aptitude tend to exit silently without doing much (or just outputting one line of output), right?
< 1305552947 326688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'p=2; p++; print p' 2>&1
< 1305552948 324401 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​File "", line 1 \     p=2; p++; print p \             ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax
< 1305552952 977901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checking)
< 1305552958 79606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552961 193314 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305552967 880388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that a script?
< 1305552969 601712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552971 571729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no it wouldn't, it would multiply by 1
< 1305552973 145286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1305552973 634107 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305552977 505835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552978 411988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552978 641960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552978 872981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552979 332784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and --
< 1305552987 304308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1305552992 576705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: checking if tswett is a script
< 1305552997 392598 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you expecting me to nod five times?
< 1305553000 800409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305553013 697053 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I nod at that?  It doesn't begin with my name.
< 1305553019 137591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ok, everything is segfaulting
< 1305553023 210208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing is REALLY broken right now
< 1305553025 971162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett a
< 1305553082 688580 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, that's just silly.
< 1305553119 805603 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.8.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305553135 946241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, quick, say "bleh"
< 1305553141 830837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1305553147 689233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1305553152 853836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "BLUH!"
< 1305553159 495446 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you forgot the colon.
< 1305553185 606198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553187 590102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553187 821783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553188 37958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553188 262867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553188 502153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553188 717893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553191 88823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x
< 1305553191 871732 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305553192 928750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a
< 1305553194 779755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a
< 1305553196 981473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a
< 1305553198 978242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a
< 1305553200 882010 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew.  I've got it in for myself.
< 1305553200 975916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a
< 1305553203 77691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a
< 1305553203 491786 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305553217 326734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :My script is running hot.
< 1305553218 558623 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305553226 188104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is going to have a hell of a headache after this.
< 1305553250 610945 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305553269 802369 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got about ten times to go.
< 1305553379 679839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of the examples do squaring of numbers above 16?
< 1305553387 197723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think so.
< 1305553395 937257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you thinking?
< 1305553416 113236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you could cheat more, and use p<16 instead of p!=16
< 1305553425 42872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305553429 869653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it is that simple
< 1305553431 259709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia?
< 1305553432 963404 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305553433 719132 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1305553438 631150 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305553459 88105 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have school soon.
< 1305553472 172365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAH
< 1305553475 603998 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mmm
< 1305553479 136524 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's going to work.
< 1305553480 665727 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, that's it.  I'm all nodded out.
< 1305553483 847326 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look over the examples for me, k?
< 1305553517 358776 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye~
< 1305553525 260183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAY TOO LAZY
< 1305553578 406530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1305553628 128627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <-
< 1305553661 36880 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, breaks test 2
< 1305553661 704763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope ->
< 1305553663 595613 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :kbai
< 1305553834 12112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a different approach in Perl at size 77: chomp,/o/?print$p*1,$/:($p+=${{d,$p&&-1,i,1,'s',$p*$p*($p!=16)-$p}}{$_})for<>
< 1305553834 824018 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                       |
< 1305553835 161903 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                      /<
< 1305553840 859486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I could turn on auto newline hadnling
< 1305553844 769726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*handling
< 1305553846 738074 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds.
< 1305553876 691496 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's being golfed?
< 1305553880 660122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish
< 1305553901 31702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305553901 499474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305553903 339743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one character
< 1305553905 768208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one character...
< 1305553920 102106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if he achieves size-four savings elsewhere
< 1305553921 831214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it HAS to be in s
< 1305553927 800427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only thing long enough to admit such savings
< 1305553951 785463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 using a shebang to turn on autonewline handling
< 1305553969 997048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python seems better at this than Perl due to not needing to screw with shebangs
< 1305553990 204510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, evil idea: what if I use $+ as the internal temporary variable? that gets autoincremented on every read
< 1305554015 899974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1305554098 437570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant $.
< 1305554100 438412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong variable name!
< 1305554164 777230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you possibly mistake them
< 1305554294 104721 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agreed
< 1305554392 45037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1305554612 590170 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: variable + name = agreed
< 1305554699 36945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305556156 791417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 2&3'
< 1305556157 907259 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​2
< 1305556179 353630 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*=p-p&16
< 1305556202 337984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^
< 1305556206 903398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat
< 1305556217 43376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the squaring rule?
< 1305556237 121170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.  it breaks but only for numbers >= 32
< 1305556247 78157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like Lymia said, larger then sixteen numbers are tested
< 1305556255 223684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :32, i said
< 1305556255 691686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you checked that >= 32 numbers aren't squared? :D
< 1305556267 91736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i haven't looked at the actual examples
< 1305556272 716134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot though, thanks
< 1305556279 696942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't break for _all_ numbers >= 32
< 1305556290 937885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait damn
< 1305556298 754010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1305556316 531393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks for all numbers between 17 and 31, brain fart
< 1305556337 278108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least you have a new idea to start with
< 1305556406 497460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305556411 353820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure it is such a helpful idea :D
< 1305556640 95411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 2*2&3'
< 1305556641 429636 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0
< 1305556839 412431 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on?
< 1305556870 84013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: we're trying to beat or at least tie you, of course
< 1305556875 800546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tie with
< 1305556906 340994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305556920 217910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your code depend on knowing that some numbers won't be squared?
< 1305556950 755176 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's what i'm trying to figure out.
< 1305556963 296437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: are you sure we can't get _one_ byte of your suffix? :D
< 1305557004 466183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm what if the suffix is +p?
< 1305557027 722154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be interesting
< 1305557039 995270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've already asked this, but have received no response
< 1305557050 346246 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well
< 1305557051 28172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make i just 1+
< 1305557062 268252 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the suffix is indeed "+p".
< 1305557079 185969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305557104 367010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, no it wouldn't
< 1305557106 693829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with a one-byte prefix
< 1305557112 768516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh um
< 1305557117 77072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make it =1
< 1305557118 728713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+=1+ then
< 1305557121 695457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305557124 673333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just =1
< 1305557125 229339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er duh
< 1305557134 633005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how minus fits into that
< 1305557140 509513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid brain
< 1305557147 751990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -= ... + p
< 1305557149 808377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305557154 52991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(-p>0)
< 1305557159 213513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1305557167 490163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(p<0)
< 1305557173 791458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1305557175 840265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305557182 306627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(p>0)
< 1305557184 951493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-=(p<0)*
< 1305557187 505183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean
< 1305557196 327582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm p>0
< 1305557199 232487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1305557202 993070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -= (p>0) [times] +p
< 1305557225 457154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think =-(p>0) is what i'm aiming for
< 1305557234 231897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing, isn't it
< 1305557239 345155 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really need a multiplication?
< 1305557247 672492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's one char shorter
< 1305557254 781840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: aha, you might not
< 1305557263 950855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305557282 608746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input()
< 1305557282 729617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='=1';d='=-(p<0)';o='rint';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%s+p'%input()
< 1305557284 738555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still longer :(
< 1305557322 166412 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how about p-=0<+p?
< 1305557330 101823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1305557331 294636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1305557335 311339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop giving away all the secrets :D
< 1305557352 498306 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been three or four hours, so it is enough, right? :p
< 1305557358 401483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :)
< 1305557359 90381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now this just needs getting one char further down...
< 1305557409 200425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305557412 694018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be the absolute minimum
< 1305557463 782030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless squaring can be shortened
< 1305557471 851360 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the current approach.
< 1305557481 8736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes.
< 1305557496 685474 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't really come up with an other idea...
< 1305557508 604718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like the most "direct" approach to me.
< 1305557563 103984 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, "s" is run with a value of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 16, 17, 99 and 9795.
< 1305557593 431801 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if some short function can map them into themselves except for 16, then it can be shortened further.
< 1305557604 635776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305557622 659067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well p&16 mapped all the ones before 16 to 0
< 1305557653 364738 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 17 breaks badly
< 1305557796 67145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1305557835 793061 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since len('(p!=16)*p') == 9, any such function should be at most 8 bytes long
< 1305557847 729040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305557860 26249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm the p at the end hardly counts
< 1305557867 473504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's "free" with this structure
< 1305557912 455960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305557920 467255 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it is correct. then we have 8 bytes that can be freely chosen.
< 1305558130 699524 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-3.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305558184 617905 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305558309 451918 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting but failed attempt: 0**(p&16)*p.
< 1305558329 512209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1305558351 208464 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0**x is 0 for x>0, 1 for x=0 and otherwise error.
< 1305558352 395469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately too long, right?
< 1305558369 703938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, damn parentheses.
< 1305558378 525254 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1305558385 484566 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't work for 17
< 1305558392 169085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :)
< 1305558540 292869 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.90 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305558944 663498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Can you sprunge your copy of Grey Mist? I've lost mine.
< 1305558962 717032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grey Mist?
< 1305558970 982326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this theme I once made.
< 1305559543 284168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it.
< 1305559781 914694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad to be of service.
< 1305559788 173299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much.
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< 1305559932 414881 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305560080 328606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Have you found a Grey Mistish xfwm theme, BTW? The default ones kind of suck.
< 1305560339 645946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@h168n6c1o291.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305560344 837678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ~AnMaster@h168n6c1o291.bredband.skanova.com
< 1305560361 162938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, there is no such experssion with at most 5 free bytes
< 1305560372 657192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: did you just exhaustively try every expression? :D
< 1305560387 314675 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just for fun.
< 1305560399 885734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty impressive if there was a 5 byte one :)
< 1305560408 217377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think trying every eight byte one is feasible too -- the character set is pretty restricted
< 1305560411 202949 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the length 6-8 is too long...
< 1305560412 815974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not going to be an x, or an at sign, or anything
< 1305560428 372596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(), arithmetic, exclamation mark, and equals... that's just about it
< 1305560449 85337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic being plus, minus, asterisk, slash, ampersand, pipe, caret
< 1305560451 32908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's too much
< 1305560457 639344 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o = '!%&()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>[]^`p{|}~'
< 1305560458 242956 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :po = '(+-.0123456789[`p{~'
< 1305560468 180715 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :po for the first character, o for the other characters.
< 1305560483 274272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well I do not think you will see [] :)
< 1305560491 595592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm pretty sure you won't see { or }
< 1305560510 327885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. I doubt very much too, a floating point solution???
< 1305560530 272716 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's true for at least .
< 1305560544 724214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ; won't happen really...
< 1305560547 834039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's the very last char
< 1305560550 784828 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] and {} is unlikely but not that impossible.
< 1305560561 912850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1305560562 195617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :po = '(+-0123456789p~'
< 1305560562 315754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o = '!%&()*+-/0123456789;<=>^p|~'
< 1305560563 315753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feasible?
< 1305560563 855744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305560565 933643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the ; in o
< 1305560589 817611 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more robust way would be generating the correct formula up to the fixed size, but it is cumbersome.
< 1305560617 960065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305561096 881610 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US debt limit, get!
< 1305561149 326452 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Congress decides not to have a giant stick up its ass, the US will default in 11 weeks.
< 1305561170 979782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooooooooooooooooooool
< 1305561178 476680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the us go bankrupt
< 1305561241 49870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305561257 319026 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "bankrupt" you mean "completely ruin its economy, dragging everyone else down with it".
< 1305561440 451965 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congress will never have not have a stick up its ass.
< 1305561591 502549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305561754 450376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:05:06:  i stopped reading that - too much cyanide and too little happiness
< 1305561899 302502 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, p*=p;+p is also impossible
< 1305561926 319473 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm tired of this now
< 1305561938 47833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305561965 380557 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to sing out the last lyric to Eclipse really loudly
< 1305561978 72439 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but halfway through I choked and starting laughing instead because it was so uplifting
< 1305561988 203666 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still laughin
< 1305561989 124533 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1305562115 795200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305562321 343863 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305562759 520523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305562760 885301 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​338) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h   * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM)    Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O    A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS.
< 1305562761 903938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_!
< 1305562783 755414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless Congress decides not to have a giant stick up its ass, the US will default in 11 weeks.
< 1305562785 725731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME
< 1305563591 538872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ouch
< 1305563599 795524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear that'll collapse the entire world economy, even if it shouldn't really
< 1305563626 342267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why /do/ people lend money to governments, given that they could default by fiat any time they wanted and war would be the only way to stop them?
< 1305563634 747454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not even war, if the governments lend to their own banks?)
< 1305564988 330095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305564989 851854 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​363)  I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it.
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< 1305565056 490420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305565056 952227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305565057 182306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305565057 641469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305565058 101185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305565058 358340 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​329)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1305565058 738290 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​269)  Vorpal: I'M NOT CLEVER OKAY
< 1305565059 740163 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​326)  okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
< 1305565060 370246 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​206)  Vorpal: you can't plant spiders, duh!
< 1305565061 230283 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​381)  destroying a local copy of the world is kind of like raping a robochick with a shovel tho
< 1305565759 158542 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
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< 1305566163 390078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Stack underflow
< 1305566358 532210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1305567737 973638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/DAM3y.jpg
< 1305567739 519590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305567993 635862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saddest image.
< 1305568041 380223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, the sixth years in my school who took chemistry are a bunch of complete bastards.
< 1305568098 577524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the sixth years in my school who took chemistry/people/
< 1305568099 686567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their dabbling in explosives has resulted in the school labs being locked down considerably.
< 1305568099 909421 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTFY
< 1305568117 61173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, cynicism != wit.
< 1305568127 268242 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/!=/==/
< 1305568129 494142 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTFY
< 1305568345 753568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorface
< 1305568390 546906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305568394 601769 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305568412 281101 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK are all Belkin routers crap.
< 1305568417 477738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305568426 356058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it.
< 1305568516 468930 :students!~students@99.155.112.225 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305568521 110157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :students: how many
< 1305568524 601033 :students!~students@99.155.112.225 NICK :Lymee
< 1305568531 907819 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How goes golfing?
< 1305568535 709122 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was a bunch of bastards.
< 1305568545 909281 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1305568547 150124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: p=0;i='=1';d='-=0<';o='rint';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%s+p'%input()
< 1305568552 141882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir revealed his secrets.
< 1305568558 590398 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305568566 670774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: The current thing we need to do is reduce squaring; we seem to be doing this by brute-forcing an expression that works for all valid squaring inputs.
< 1305568568 813573 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1305568571 501373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's quite difficult.
< 1305568574 752036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a lull.
< 1305568585 142168 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hey!
< 1305568587 648094 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1305568588 673939 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i instead took up a haskell golf challenge instead. :p
< 1305568596 404209 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now at 114 bytes.
< 1305568599 312014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh haskell golf
< 1305568600 236800 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I realised you weren't the 6th-year chemistry students at my school.
< 1305568605 563062 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there another way you can take it?
< 1305568608 872228 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it*
< 1305568637 569848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: ?
< 1305568645 413200 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_
< 1305568650 713045 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you read Homestuck
< 1305568678 478800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasir: instead did you instead do that because you were instead bored with the old one, instead?
< 1305568723 309263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: take it to #esoteric-homestuck
< 1305568731 331491 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah and instead i'm bored with instead too.
< 1305568740 897559 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, a.k.a. /query elliott
< 1305568748 774042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehe
< 1305568774 458875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: aka esoteric-minecraft
< 1305568778 568412 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind
< 1305568778 723974 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose Vorpal doesn't get a say that way, but neither of us care what he says anyway.
< 1305568781 197143 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back...
< 1305568781 688093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUAL PURPOSE
< 1305568784 48837 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get home
< 1305568786 927743 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in 2-3 hours.
< 1305568788 489844 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1305568803 838497 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pikhq isn't in -minecraft.
< 1305568810 605734 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a gregor
< 1305568821 530107 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be a Gregor.
< 1305568834 327096 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ever needs a Gregor.
< 1305568896 38039 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor!
< 1305568903 159455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need halps from you
< 1305568910 581847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ever needs halps from Gregor.
< 1305568916 719704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :explox me the bfjoust cache file format
< 1305568931 688106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1305568944 275026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I suppose Vorpal doesn't get a say that way, but neither of us care what he says anyway. <-- wrt?
< 1305568951 881709 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck.
< 1305568963 535729 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've never even heard Sburban Jungle.
< 1305568975 888574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a file for each match with a number encoded as a binary byte?
< 1305568978 105325 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can barely be said to have experienced the glory that is Homestuck.
< 1305568979 840234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I'm lagging behind in reading yeah
< 1305568983 746526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am unaware of any cache file.
< 1305568983 828002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually have the cache files on me, just the code
< 1305568996 926625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sburban Jungle is in the first few hundred pages.
< 1305569013 588643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too long ago then, I forgot it
< 1305569020 706057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you just didn't have speakers :P
< 1305569025 657447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah
< 1305569030 637252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305569034 785846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalm
< 1305569045 507122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ?
< 1305569068 746006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you forget that.
< 1305569081 292414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no clue,  busy anyway
< 1305569188 978628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to shift this screen setup around...
< 1305569265 241300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? Any way to tell gnome which monitor you want stuff like task bar and such to show up on.
< 1305569271 555000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system is only sometimes dual screen
< 1305569278 976876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laptop + desktop monitor)
< 1305569331 211133 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305569528 604244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about modern Gnome. The "monitor properties" dialog used to have a primary-screen indicamator, and I think the panels themselves, when not locked, are mostly draggable.
< 1305569580 676740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, currently I get desktop icons on one monitor and panels on another
< 1305569585 679294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no primary checkbox
< 1305569589 261981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is gnome 2
< 1305569610 132279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway the external one I want primary when it is around, otherwise I want the built in one primary
< 1305569723 738128 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: y u no in #gg2
< 1305569738 941106 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: ragequat
< 1305569745 252321 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho-hum; well, I don't recall offhand how it goes.
< 1305569747 837036 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss it?
< 1305569769 479426 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305569780 105892 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wondow switches and page-ups*
< 1305569791 200524 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ajf
< 1305569794 349496 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :general chatter page 2
< 1305569802 827221 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305569807 161125 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*checks*
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< 1305569814 202803 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1305569825 716964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ho-hum; well, I don't recall offhand how it goes. <-- oh well
< 1305569835 55522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is #gg2
< 1305569840 383702 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey uh
< 1305569841 906737 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya
< 1305569845 477293 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ajf what
< 1305569848 931006 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give me mod powers in Mods?
< 1305569857 649478 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask mrfredman or bacon
< 1305569880 643463 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you're my temporary fill in
< 1305569935 444309 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, quoting you saying that
< 1305569980 388784 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1305570418 783132 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : could you give me mod powers in Mods?
< 1305570420 462989 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuh
< 1305570806 359757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1305571859 229814 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something from another community
< 1305571862 908296 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long story
< 1305571909 688645 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305572326 757836 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajfafk
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< 1305573283 501566 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numbers
< 1305573411 967236 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of xkcd, the most hilarious article.
< 1305573458 329320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I linked that days ago.
< 1305573462 541138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even a week or two.
< 1305573483 55320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even quoted "    This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.".
< 1305573489 451777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]"This
< 1305573519 185846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe randall is lurking on the channel
< 1305573538 968938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1305573547 452304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's drive him away
< 1305573607 82675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's myndzi, he's good with stick figures
< 1305573627 898798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1305573669 640415 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for being randall munroe -----###
< 1305573679 631714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit. if he is it's my fault. i just linked the esolang wiki from a channel randall is definitely lurking in >.>
< 1305573699 943902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU DO THESE THINGS
< 1305573702 863919 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am?
< 1305573706 373679 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's new to me
< 1305573715 504958 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HAS BEEN RUMORED
< 1305573738 691120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the odds that if randall came here, the general dislike of his comic would be a refreshing break for him from the mindless fanbase he encounters everywhere else on the internet ;D
< 1305573741 893777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: zero 'cuz we're jerks
< 1305573763 450864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: You added Perl to the joke language list. Shame.
< 1305573774 427052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what are the chances he's intelligent enough for this channel 
< 1305573807 45124 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is a good joke
< 1305573824 585965 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305573831 389327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe perl is a great punchline, but we sure as hell haven't found the joke to make it funny yet
< 1305573848 44046 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laugh every time
< 1305573871 889298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw re "making the wiki look stupid", that sounds quite unavoidable to me ;D
< 1305573888 605957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to the UNENLIGHTENED the whole wiki is ridiculous.
< 1305573908 446048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, Reddit found the Perl entry on the joke language list and it caused a lot of confusion
< 1305573947 163014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's brilliant
< 1305574204 252469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's written on that page is a joke, anyway.  unless someone changed it.
< 1305574215 475338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally that argument also works for Feather
< 1305574318 771071 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305574328 168316 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back.
< 1305574340 867343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This break brought to you by: paternal idiocy.
< 1305574351 381281 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This return brought to you by: even greater paternal idiocy.
< 1305574373 290853 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I thought he understood that I could plug power cables in, but apparently no.
< 1305574419 746157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what happened?
< 1305574428 515347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made you move away so he could plug them in himself?
< 1305574431 782730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305574512 106524 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, he decided to punish me for not giving my laptop to my sister by "taking his router away".
< 1305574545 200182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just plugged the router back in?
< 1305574547 328724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He then attempted to unplug the modem, although he stopped after I helpfully informed him of this.
< 1305574559 512949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it wasn't actually a router at all?
< 1305574568 36842 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he unplugged the router after that.
< 1305574577 96292 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And left the power cable lying on the floor right next to it.
< 1305574587 318302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you let your sister use the laptop?
< 1305574603 804055 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's my goddamn laptop and she was being a snivelly little whiny brat.
< 1305574647 660401 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I had to blast white noise through the headphones to drown her out.
< 1305574689 533063 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to retrieve tea, so I'll have to unplug the router while it's unattended.
< 1305574836 126434 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION though Phantom__Hoover was an adult
< 1305574839 658003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought
< 1305574877 248000 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305574878 827855 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​370)  A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold.   See? I'm intellectual.
< 1305574900 512130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1305574905 147761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you and your mentions of vagrant
< 1305574908 520467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305574909 994498 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​282)  [...] reyouthismootherate [...]
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< 1305574929 897736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan though Phantom__Hoover was an adult
< 1305574929 979640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *thought
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< 1305574934 462467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define adult? :-P
< 1305574988 898839 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the contrast between those two quotes.
< 1305575009 336414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: legally able to do more than elliott, despite there being no real reason to use such a crude method of discrimination
< 1305575036 337202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've got way more coolness than ph
< 1305575064 337700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: What is the pH of a phantom hoover?
< 1305575076 105782 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-10.
< 1305575092 910564 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kid, I kid.
< 1305575097 928269 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's -23.
< 1305575103 948806 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all hydrogen ions.
< 1305575136 755006 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that makes a sixth of me hydrogen ions.
< 1305575179 361414 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-23.7.
< 1305575429 328473 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantoms do not care about electrostatic repulsion.
< 1305575443 750081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1305575790 261236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't suppose you happen to know how slow a segfault is? :P
< 1305575797 189633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't
< 1305575808 259883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can last a human-noticeable length of time if it also causes a coredump, though
< 1305575818 905992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're asking a question, that's probably not the use-case you have in mind
< 1305575823 685745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if you're asking that question
< 1305575826 5361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean a caught one
< 1305575839 419364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the overhead of the dereference + calling the handler + resuming execution
< 1305575856 926469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's equal to a processor trap plus a signal delivery
< 1305575866 435985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a bit more
< 1305575872 826568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how long either of those things take
< 1305575876 486432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try benchmarking it
< 1305575888 216314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the last resort :>
< 1305575904 584866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically wondering about it as a memory allocation strategy
< 1305575918 466875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright guys. degree survey time.
< 1305575921 424709 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good memory allocation strategy
< 1305575929 396029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your opinion, what are my program's greatest strengths?
< 1305575933 279728 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weaknesses?
< 1305575948 815660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to make shit up, as long as it's funny
< 1305575954 624881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not feeling funny at the moment
< 1305575973 883565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's the worst program ever and it eats babies for breakfast
< 1305575982 469640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it segfaults constantly
< 1305575982 952673 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this for zepto
< 1305575991 405061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you caan do better. i like the segfault one.
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< 1305575992 840010 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall reading somewhere that Linux signals had reasonably low overhead, at least as far as these things go.
< 1305575996 882464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no this is so unzepto
< 1305576010 198505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right; most signals don't involve such a processor trap though
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< 1305576072 650412 :ajfafk!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1305576078 833964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That part shouldn't take long either, I don't think, but of course longness is relative.
< 1305576145 885360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two ideas i'm basically having for it is
< 1305576156 567010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, you have this gigantic memory pool thing, but you only allocate some of it (like with sbrk or whatever???)
< 1305576162 375259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you segfault by stepping outside of the bounds
< 1305576165 639926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it expands it and resumes
< 1305576166 137849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1305576185 209343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on my experiments on linux, sbrk is nearly useless
< 1305576195 866658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave me a 128MB heap
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< 1305576217 555660 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the two ideas i'm basically having for it is
< 1305576219 817504 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one, you have this gigantic memory pool thing, but you only allocate some of it (like with sbrk or whatever???)
< 1305576222 934526 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and when you segfault by stepping outside of the bounds
< 1305576225 275916 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it expands it and resumes
< 1305576226 752036 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or
< 1305576228 847841 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an allocator replacement
< 1305576230 832866 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when the allocator is called, it just returns some random number from high, high memory that will never be used
< 1305576233 741359 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then when it's accessed and segfaults
< 1305576235 864318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allocation is done for real
< 1305576237 932253 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pointer is rewritten to point to it
< 1305576239 769058 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus an entry in a table is marked
< 1305576241 769823 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapping the high memory number to the actual address
< 1305576243 917595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if another segfault happens because of aliasing it can rewrite it properly
< 1305576251 741005 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the next GC cycle it rewrites /all/ the pointers and removes the table entry
< 1305576255 890586 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome or awesome
< 1305576288 684083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the Stetson-Harrison method I'd guesstimate something in the order-of-magnitude of some microseconds, but don't quote me on that.
< 1305576320 550640 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good considering the overhead of the actual allocator :-P
< 1305576354 13859 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i´m the austrian cave troll'lkk;yy[[File:ooo--90.217.154.251 (talk) 19:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)llllllllllll]]
< 1305576354 864616 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
< 1305576386 486286 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, why does wikipedia try and hide your contributions link from you if you are logged ouT?
< 1305576408 863439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305576434 368239 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute page
< 1305576806 237421 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understanding what happened based on the faulting code can be somewhat nasty. Your pointer-replacement thing at least sounds tricky in the general case; you get the faulty address and pointer to the instruction that caused the fault, but if it's some "foo r8, [r9]" sort of thing it might not be trivial to say where the pointer value in r9 came from, for replacing it. Or even to find out which register to replace with the proper pointer value so that you can res
< 1305576806 409088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ume.
< 1305576825 679746 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In this case it would be for a language implementation.
< 1305576837 241874 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the assembly would be controlled somewhat.
< 1305576942 750125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305577203 955934 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1305577468 545730 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305577777 675861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se TOPIC #esoteric :The first rule of krevitch is that you do not snork about flads. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305577794 828330 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1305577950 341684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very cromulent topic.
< 1305578016 603464 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) my first #esoteric topic, as far as I can recall
< 1305578208 88598 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more test!
< 1305578415 129378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> (x+y)^2 == x^2+2*x*y+y^2
< 1305578415 608045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (Test.QuickCheck.Arbitrary SimpleReflect.Expr)
< 1305578415 690167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising f...
< 1305578422 330527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1305578427 36211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x+y)^2 == x^2+2*x*y+y^2
< 1305578427 501379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "OK, passed 500 tests."
< 1305578436 624471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TESTED OK
< 1305578468 743032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x+y)^2 == (x^2+2*x*y+y^2 :: Double)
< 1305578469 308113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Falsifiable, after 3 tests:\n-1.6666666666666667\n-1.0\n"
< 1305578478 140127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305578510 955255 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305578659 891818 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305578868 785513 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305578907 687583 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play Guess Why PH Just Disconnected For Three Quarters Of An Hour!
< 1305578952 29964 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it Parental Stupidity (TM)?
< 1305578965 878724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the gold prize goes to: oerjan!
< 1305578987 884122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how soon will you be moving?
< 1305579038 813922 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I go to university in a year and a bit.
< 1305579066 844366 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, unlike Sgeo, the chances of them sabotaging my university education are slim.
< 1305579521 779623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to Sgeo?
< 1305579557 943994 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He ended up going to a university with more business requirements for the course he was on than mathematics ones.
< 1305579613 885560 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because his parents wanted him to get business stuff and forced him there, or just they forced him into a generally shitty university?
< 1305579635 659629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because his dad is a nutcase.
< 1305579745 196871 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did parental stupidity find out about your router not being unplugged
< 1305579751 357419 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305579766 400879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get wireless
< 1305579772 332667 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have got wireless.
< 1305579775 379015 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just terrible.
< 1305579833 573579 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's getting a degree in, whatwasit, "IT"?
< 1305579835 501682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how did the nutcase dad thing lead to Sgeo reading business classes?
< 1305579856 544859 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask pikhq, he tried to get Sgeo to change to something decent.
< 1305579868 432716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest level math class required for his degree is calc I.
< 1305579872 634416 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1305579875 628248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires 3 business classes.
< 1305579896 613674 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Just forced him into a generally shitty university.
< 1305579911 707348 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without an actual CS program.
< 1305580027 184357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Sgeo
< 1305580044 153703 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me why Sgeo's dad did that.
< 1305580080 610662 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about being able to live at home and it'd be cheap.
< 1305580083 899471 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305580094 187492 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not happening to me.
< 1305580110 373429 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap doesn't help you if your degree only barely qualifies you to flip burgers.
< 1305580123 600290 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :business burgers
< 1305580130 583505 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: With Visual Basic.
< 1305580131 639682 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get into management in no time
< 1305580143 689667 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm visual basic
< 1305580155 599810 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like the worst thing ever
< 1305580156 706463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a gui in visual basic to flip burgers in real time
< 1305580157 423684 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, will he create a GUI interface with Visual Basic to trace the burgers?
< 1305580166 392547 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...XD
< 1305580298 328219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does visual basic knowledge even qualify you to flip burgers?
< 1305580337 779189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does visual basic knowledge even qualify sgeo to flip burgers?, I mean
< 1305580344 525237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually, I think burger flipping works even without a degree
< 1305580372 425142 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my life goals is to stay out of the burger flipping business
< 1305580444 871195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: don't worry, you've still got plenty of time to fail
< 1305580599 474803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have made no such goal I am unable to fail :>
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< 1305580991 184117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is probably the only group on multicast e-mail systems of any sort where "OT:..." means 	on	 topic.[	citation needed	]
< 1305580993 704143 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-3.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305581031 437806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, which group?
< 1305581066 800050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rec.humor.oracle.d
< 1305581242 200051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1305581312 641193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Problem Sleuth is hilarious.
< 1305581720 685157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oracle thing seems kind of funny
< 1305582321 744809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle's awesome
< 1305582333 861978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, not the company
< 1305582843 993399 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Oracle's awesome
< 1305582845 432250 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​424)  Oracle's awesome
< 1305582868 578639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets Phantom__Hoover on fire
< 1305582893 328182 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, remind me, have you made a BF derivative?
< 1305582898 590978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305582911 339701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd *ZOT* Phantom__Hoover, but i don't know if the oracle still does that
< 1305582923 684377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF-RLE
< 1305582928 158611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brickbrains Sgeo.
< 1305582951 848741 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's a stupid BF derivative too!
< 1305582959 877965 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets another brick.
< 1305582964 661479 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEM'S THE RULES
< 1305582977 71569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 likes it
< 1305582997 35645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, used it in one of his languages
< 1305582999 971167 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Well, I respect zzo's opinion completely.
< 1305583059 18175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that came up in another channel a while ago, actually
< 1305583073 951045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is, I don't know, because the precise question you asked didn't come up
< 1305583090 730263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, *ZOT*ing?
< 1305583096 259917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
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< 1305583260 575935 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1305583260 576002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305583367 600927 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305583690 630674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is this:
< 1305583691 730746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"P.S. At first I thought I might zot you for your faux grovel, but then
< 1305583691 869806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} I realized inspiring false praise is the highest form of praise I can
< 1305583691 951246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} ask for.  Keep up the good work."
< 1305583746 488579 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
< 1305584024 63098 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-237-130.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305584640 511922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now curious what Oracularity 1455-08 originally said
< 1305584686 672861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.humor.oracle/browse_thread/thread/ec854c084f3f0f3d
< 1305585012 57061 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1305585855 911904 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1305585859 149583 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305585898 741883 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is an interesting language.
< 1305587148 670063 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305587862 844789 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305589215 469501 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305589265 343875 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305589725 281708 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305589870 551213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the two reasons to capitalize "he's" in "Fear God! he's reentrant." cancel each other out? I don't think so!!!
< 1305589893 416828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lla krow dna on yalp sekam Kcaj a llud yob.
< 1305589899 868110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305589943 154701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles away from zzo38's axe
< 1305589955 22211 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an axe
< 1305589983 426987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is your axe
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< 1305590520 626541 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305590545 439470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this message in some public comment page:   listen i cant get on the sight and i want my money back ive been trying since yesterday and its not my computer its the sight i wish someone would email me back melissa
< 1305590578 68765 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that they gave no contact information, they certainly could get on the site (to post the comment), and they don't charge any money to access it.
< 1305590896 810060 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me that there was some big confusion once when google started returning a different result when you searched for the name of some big site (or possibly it was " login")
< 1305590925 919846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out lots of people go to sites by searching for them and clicking the first google result, always
< 1305590938 967853 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a different top result
< 1305591019 571771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now people ended up on the wrong page, which had a comment section, and complained there that the site had changed and they couldn't find anything.  or something like that.
< 1305591084 971484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebookloginhut.com/facebook-news/facebook-login-in-google/
< 1305591310 754607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_login.php was the site (lots of ads there)
< 1305591750 80584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305591763 25259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even use Facebook. I don't want to use Facebook.
< 1305591796 496997 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I sometimes use OpenID login.
< 1305593446 250539 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god... my professor wants me to call them.
< 1305593456 86638 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305593496 10223 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh, sorry, my phone is in the shop."
< 1305593666 295791 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305593689 185123 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305593732 338550 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should just explain in an email that I have ridiculous phone call anxiety instead of avoiding the situation like I normally do.
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< 1305593866 753679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at a video of Hedgewars
< 1305593873 79257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very, very much a Worms clone
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< 1305594263 568438 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you heard of the game Magicka?
< 1305594272 638889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have
< 1305594326 62594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eaturing humorous[citation needed] in-game references to various other media titles including Star Wars, Star Trek, World of Warcraft, Neverwinter Nights, 300, Lord of the Rings, The Colour of Magic, Castlevania, Highlander, Indiana Jones, and Monty Python and the Holy Grail."
< 1305594336 322333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols at the [citation needed] for humorous
< 1305594514 656272 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, nice
< 1305594527 36341 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it's a great game despire various buginess.
< 1305595004 663825 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an awesome bash command?
< 1305595011 609739 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305595037 658548 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lolwat
< 1305595047 381409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use that.
< 1305595069 730562 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : Report yes bugs to bug-coreutils@gnu.org
< 1305595077 193976 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what kind of bugs could there possibly be.
< 1305595113 231000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes | rm -rfi
< 1305595122 864192 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oooh
< 1305595142 639737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the "yes" command to produce a continuous tone on the sound card
< 1305595149 684096 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use that when installing things with cpan actually. It always asks if I want to install dependencies.
< 1305595152 531166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes | write elliott
< 1305595208 255363 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool. I was actually looking for bash utilities that are geared towards shell scripting, but that's a good one too.
< 1305595231 114425 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And that is why they have the "mesg n" command, I think
< 1305595241 775151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305595260 577217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes no
< 1305595282 421256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes everything I type in here will now be prefixed with yes
< 1305595293 415991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, so it's mesg y by default?
< 1305595339 418284 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I think it usually is, at least the last time I used "write", the recipient was able to receive it.
< 1305595469 232911 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, nevermind. I thought "allowing write access" meant something completely different. Like, allowing bash input from other sources.
< 1305595541 330432 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Oracle's awesome" <<< oracle's are indeed awesome!
< 1305595576 30449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I was referring to the Internet Oracle.
< 1305595685 457974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oracle was a very awesome program in the matrix. Proving P=NP doesn't even come close.
< 1305595764 994358 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realize my above statement is mostly nonsense. Please allow the rational side of your mind to disregard that.)
< 1305595812 64516 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oracles
< 1305595888 63966 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is well known P^A = NP^A and P^B != NP^B for some oracles A and B
< 1305595892 418946 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen the proof tho
< 1305595894 658078 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the most useful thing I've found in shell scripting is that you can pipe to a while loop and use read to grab lines.
< 1305595898 294532 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc also PSPACE
< 1305595919 297032 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone familiar with these? oh wait no one is ever familiar with anything
< 1305595969 708406 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pretty much assume that I have a limited background in theoretical computer science beyond a certain point.
< 1305596003 167116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... heard of PSPACE
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< 1305596043 453325 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i would be extremely surprised if *anyone* *anywhere* was able to tell me how that result is proven
< 1305596065 75043 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily i have it in book form and will hopefully be able to tell you guys this week
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< 1305596101 448819 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally you find people at the uni who recall having read these proofs
< 1305596116 551484 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have no idea how they're proven
< 1305596118 968211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try to download Hedgewars via BitTorrent
< 1305596409 23807 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1914031
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< 1305596458 653163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat
< 1305596468 322412 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ordered a jpeg?
< 1305596515 916096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, got a user account on a website, and that was a private message
< 1305596615 701108 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I was under the impression that using oracles to prove something is a silly thing to do.
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< 1305597068 841432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire sucks in this game
< 1305597098 297097 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly?
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< 1305597249 417345 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the fact that P^A = NP^A and P^B != NP^B, relativizable techniques cannot be used to prove P = NP, is that what you're referring to?
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< 1305597280 705539 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :relativizable = technique such that if you prove X != Y for some classes X and Y using that technique, you will have proven X^A != Y^A for all oracles A as well
< 1305597371 565482 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the class of languages X is defined using machines of some type, X^A is the class of languages obtained by taking those same machines, except they can solve inclusion in A in no time (in time 1))
< 1305597405 590848 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is not a formal definition obviously, but it's obvious how it's done for the natural classes like P or NP or whatever)
< 1305597422 416533 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean it's obvious what the natural definition is)
< 1305597698 259130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
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< 1305597834 722578 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305597837 382358 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305597845 286556 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH LINEAR ALGEBRA
< 1305597865 252135 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting it off until the very last day possible == bad idea
< 1305597872 959650 :nddrylliog!~nddryllio@84-74-26-239.dclient.hispeed.ch PART :#esoteric
< 1305597925 329423 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra is fun but all the proofs are the same you just go hmmm dimensions uh! dimensions
< 1305597996 816129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make it sound like a chant.
< 1305598012 392046 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmmmm.... Dimensions... Uuuuhhh.... Dimensions..." ad infinitum
< 1305598032 542099 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305598037 599911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to read a manual
< 1305598040 396588 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly!
< 1305598151 869998 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about taking Topology as one of my electives.
< 1305598168 755657 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have to take "Introduction to Advanced Mathematics" first.
< 1305598173 787292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm topology mmmm topology
< 1305598509 606055 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what sounds fun: parsing Perl.
< 1305598591 815623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to decide whether you're gonna take Topology or Parsing Perl - An Adventure!
< 1305598644 400201 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. My mind just tends to jump to other topics very quickly.
< 1305598656 336385 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second class sounds more fun.
< 1305598745 108617 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x = 3 / 2 // // / 3
< 1305598761 949503 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first // is defined-or, the second // is an empty pattern. :)
< 1305598838 171410 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the / is division, thrown in for fun.
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< 1305601287 861276 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION winces
< 1305601595 399308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that namecoins are more interesting than bitcoins
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< 1305604337 459214 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11762072/native-html5
< 1305604504 48794 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihilist daddy would be better
< 1305604514 954812 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call me daddy, anytime
< 1305604526 746753 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm gonna call you daddy bigtime
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< 1305604539 425734 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oof
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< 1305605591 834710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO VERY MUCH LINEAR ALGEBRA
< 1305606030 681500 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrary to popular belief, computation is devoid of pedagogical value!
< 1305606323 857918 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :gropaga
< 1305606538 899267 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305608129 816774 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever even used the "mesg n" command?
< 1305608210 833390 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ever going to compose a piece called "Eine kleine Quinemusik"?
< 1305608225 623266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a composer.
< 1305609079 936401 :gropaga!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1305609378 15768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "Eine kleine Quinemusik" is certainly an interesting title for a piece.
< 1305609386 723136 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Gregor would like to steal it.
< 1305609475 576951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It is mentioned on esolang wiki, as a quine program in a programming language where both input and output are form of music.
< 1305609499 347039 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moth lands in boiling water. I scoop moth out with a cup. I let it boil for some time.
< 1305609504 31778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the pasta be safe to eat?
< 1305609516 64915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but not certain.
< 1305609587 806088 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some musics using Bohlen-Pierce although they not completely since they have only one voice with no dynamics or anything like that, just the notes and note lengths, and rests.
< 1305609623 711117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many? Maybe fifteen such musics, I have done.
< 1305609713 633014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played D&D today please read the recording? I know there is some typographical errors and it isn't perfectly well written, and maybe the chicken briefly changes into a duck half way through, but that isn't the point.
< 1305609753 638035 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Boiling is sufficient for disinfecting in most contexts.
< 1305609778 874062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long for though? I think I only let it boil a few extra minutes after the incident
< 1305609794 100583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How long does it normally take to boil that kind of pasta?
< 1305609800 546319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sufficient.
< 1305609808 304235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't know how cold cups are affected by boiling water
< 1305609817 644914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be wax in my pasta now or something
< 1305609837 234933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to assume that wax is not lethal
< 1305609854 483897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, you can learn by experience maybe (that is, if it is not lethal)
< 1305609858 921676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wax generally isn't.
< 1305609977 234007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a good idea to make a mark of chalk on the shaman's body to tell the difference from the imposter?
< 1305610081 48305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, if I die, I'm blaming you
< 1305610100 98101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you blame someone if you are dead?
< 1305610128 355977 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you write the report if you are dead?
< 1305610142 453815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's a joke.
< 1305610157 240541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305610283 368399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you are making an experiment, you try to see what is deadly, you cannot write the report if you are dead! One way to test, I suppose, is ask people who are marked already for death penalty, to try and then you write the report if they are dead or not.
< 1305610354 967640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Foundation-like
< 1305610374 937334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "Foundation-like"?
< 1305610384 293530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com
< 1305610399 175417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I read that before
< 1305610432 724117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they sometimes delete files too much
< 1305610559 82521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one SCP that I loved that got deleted
< 1305610578 809847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was this little ruby gem capable of destroying structures, and perhaps the world if not controlled properly
< 1305610588 404488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was put into a spinning thing filled with mercury
< 1305610596 709242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would not come in contact with a solid surface
< 1305610737 132672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it gets too cold then it will become solid, I think
< 1305612026 388524 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=123456+Chess&log=nwolff-cvgameroom-2011-95-172&orientation=norm&submit=Print   Do you think these players have made some bad moves?
< 1305612169 670171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have played 21. Rxh4*e7 although I don't actually know if it is better or what better move would actually be, I just try to guess. Instead he played 21. 5*e2 5h4 22. 5xe5+ but that just lets you get captured?
< 1305612207 596415 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it seems that 21. Rxh4*e7 1e6 22. g3 might work, isn't it?
< 1305612438 456099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's something for you: http://anyintelli.com/games/pawnduel/index.php
< 1305612534 456983 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you get it, you can win almost everytime.
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< 1305612764 306930 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any interest in chess variants?
< 1305612977 896322 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's a game called ni
< 1305612980 56011 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nim
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< 1305623892 129291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com.cy/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=3d2fe0574273c61c&hl=en pasting here for later reference
< 1305623996 976333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKED
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< 1305638421 954868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a Homestuck update, so I wouldn't be surprised if...
< 1305638427 208898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww.
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< 1305642724 878039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I fear JSmips has been outdone: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browser
< 1305642743 813641 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that with that VM thing?
< 1305642748 415804 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks
< 1305642752 875825 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if so, it just talks to a remote -
< 1305642753 592520 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1305642780 963286 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how fast it is.
< 1305642795 63257 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao, someone checked the system specs
< 1305642809 84005 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booting Linux (Score:3)
< 1305642809 236002 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by jez9999 (618189) writes: on Tuesday May 17, @06:00AM (#36151038) Homepage Journal
< 1305642809 317851 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work for me. It got to a text thing with a flashing cursor but stopped there. I don't see my Ubuntu desktop or browser icon.
< 1305642820 442933 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just gonna assume that's a joke :-P
< 1305642838 585008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1305642894 810109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone suggested running Apache on it
< 1305642928 22566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could get it to serve the JS page itself, you could have a browser sending pages to itself
< 1305642932 226040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort-of ridiculous
< 1305642964 314494 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:37]   what i want to do is: run linux in javascript, and run php on top of that [14:37]   then, use this php to validate forms.
< 1305642991 32519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1305643003 124410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same principle as the one behind node.js, just evilly backwards?
< 1305643006 818280 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305643042 467360 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:37]   ahahah [14:37]   this is perfect.. [14:38]   perfectly insane!!
< 1305643048 900645 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, if it had to be done, at least it was Fabrice Bellard :)
< 1305643054 338212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305643079 577279 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you could get it to serve the JS page itself, you could have a browser sending pages to itself
< 1305643085 590771 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web Sockets don't do /serving/
< 1305643112 898818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, they should
< 1305643359 776536 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't appear to have network access anyway
< 1305643425 538342 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprising since only Chrome has Web Sockets on by default
< 1305643434 609048 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everyone else disabling it due to security issues until a new standard is out/implemented)
< 1305643700 79034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web Sockets?
< 1305643740 785583 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfgi
< 1305643746 954226 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically WebSockets
< 1305644373 676061 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305644596 562704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in haskell is there any built in function that lets me "map with a sliding window"? With that I mean something like: Given [1,2,3,4] I want the function called with 1 2 then with 2 3, 3 4. And it would return a tuple of two elements, so it would generate a new list of equal length
< 1305644604 585737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I need to see two elements at a time
< 1305644642 819925 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you really want is a transformation from a list to a sliding window
< 1305644656 463674 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think there's a nice function for doing something similar.
< 1305644659 466556 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zip`ap`tail -- the aztec god of consecutive elements
< 1305644660 197393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. [b] -> [(b, b)]
< 1305644669 194170 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What copumpkin said.
< 1305644672 433460 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zipWith ?f `ap` tail
< 1305644673 276379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b c. (?f::b -> b -> c) => [b] -> [c]
< 1305644674 964249 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine with uncurry.
< 1305644681 908531 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or what copumpkin said.
< 1305644683 868623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : :t zip`ap`tail -- the aztec god of consecutive elements <-- heh nice
< 1305644692 231768 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, "zipWith f `ap` tail" should do it.
< 1305644703 486909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap
< 1305644704 166945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1305644709 270457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink*
< 1305644714 404146 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap is generalised S combinator ;)
< 1305644719 35884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305644723 987196 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an
< 1305644732 644667 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Said with tongue in cheek.)
< 1305644742 244803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was about to ask what ap did
< 1305644744 460599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know what S does
< 1305644746 878172 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src ap
< 1305644746 960301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = liftM2 id
< 1305644752 481744 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src liftM2
< 1305644752 617879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 f m1 m2 = do { x1 <- m1; x2 <- m2; return (f x1 x2) }
< 1305644755 949543 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftM2
< 1305644756 645562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a1 a2 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r
< 1305644772 90288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1305644777 245895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (zip `ap` tail) [1,2,3,4,5,6,7]
< 1305644777 849797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(5,6),(6,7)]
< 1305644778 605995 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap is just \mf mx -> do f <- mf; x <- mx; return (f x)
< 1305644802 641072 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (zipWith (+) `ap` tail) [1,2,3,4,5,6,7]
< 1305644803 332570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [3,5,7,9,11,13]
< 1305644809 497332 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (zipWith (\x y -> [x,y]) `ap` tail) [1,2,3,4,5,6,7]
< 1305644810 142369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,2],[2,3],[3,4],[4,5],[5,6],[6,7]]
< 1305644899 609939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't do quite the right thing but hm
< 1305644902 646183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah easy to fix
< 1305644903 224858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does zip do if the two lists aren't the same length? just discard extra elements?
< 1305644946 828341 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip [9,9,9] [0,0]
< 1305644947 478189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(9,0),(9,0)]
< 1305644958 282503 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip [0,0] [9,9,9]
< 1305644958 861302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(0,9),(0,9)]
< 1305644962 650929 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: yes.
< 1305644967 66636 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing else it /could/ do.
< 1305644978 448746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> zip x (tail x)
< 1305644978 529563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap zip tail
< 1305644984 783349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as I suspected
< 1305644994 83697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, ap isn't the S combinator, liftM2 is
< 1305644995 647129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap is \si
< 1305644998 57590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* `si
< 1305644999 628261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm worst algorithm to get length of string ever
< 1305645004 650736 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no, ap is S.
< 1305645015 691516 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl \x y z -> x z (y z)
< 1305645015 854432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap
< 1305645025 206036 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl ap
< 1305645025 293986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ d e -> d >>= \ b -> e >>= \ a -> return (b a))
< 1305645027 981737 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm
< 1305645029 702539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (x:xs) = tail (zip [1..] "foobar"); x
< 1305645030 300650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `='
< 1305645032 313111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1305645034 850288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y z -> (x z) (y z)
< 1305645034 966170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap
< 1305645035 589015 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unpl ap :: functions
< 1305645035 671118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ d e -> d >>= \ b -> e >>= \ a -> return (b a)) :: functions
< 1305645037 691111 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305645039 175670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems you're right
< 1305645044 186401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tail (zip [1..] "foobar")
< 1305645044 871656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(2,'o'),(3,'o'),(4,'b'),(5,'a'),(6,'r')]
< 1305645047 46076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1305645047 374156 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  ?pl \x y z -> x z (y z)
< 1305645047 616986 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ap
< 1305645048 367996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tail
< 1305645049 205771 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just showed that :P
< 1305645052 347516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is last element now again
< 1305645056 283183 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: last
< 1305645057 816021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ah, right
< 1305645058 664069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305645060 985972 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap
< 1305645061 619986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1305645065 536725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> last (zip [1..] "foobar")
< 1305645066 190508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (6,'r')
< 1305645075 744748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ALMOST same as length :P
< 1305645089 996735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to get it out of there
< 1305645091 54584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap
< 1305645091 614614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1305645094 309338 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fst
< 1305645100 681771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305645101 629776 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure why you're trying to do that, though :P
< 1305645106 537227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fst . last (zip [1..] "foobar")
< 1305645107 143144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `(a, b)'
< 1305645107 295280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.Ty...
< 1305645108 962499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1305645112 937671 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1305645114 590539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what monad does ap work in when you give it a question that has nothing to do with monads? Identity?
< 1305645119 553820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fst
< 1305645120 135056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last (zip [1..] "foobar")) isn't a function.
< 1305645120 217075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a, b) -> a
< 1305645123 725540 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how can you compose a function with it?
< 1305645126 230812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fst $ last (zip [1..] "foobar")
< 1305645126 832725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1305645130 863368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1305645132 60273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap id id (ap id id)
< 1305645132 687488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> b
< 1305645133 765970 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Better:
< 1305645134 739000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1305645150 68698 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fst . last . zip [1..] $ "foobar"
< 1305645151 155678 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1305645151 583701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1305645163 508663 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :length = fst . last . zip [1..]
< 1305645165 362596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway this is kind of the silliest length function ever :P
< 1305645168 600640 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1305645172 877875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id id
< 1305645173 519073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a = a -> b
< 1305645173 600796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Probable cause: `id' is applied to too few arguments
< 1305645173 600962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `ap', namely `id'
< 1305645183 823981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, think haskell would optimise it?
< 1305645184 947083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1305645185 756890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Haskell can't type the X combinator
< 1305645217 158443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src length
< 1305645217 240345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over.
< 1305645220 407047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1305645221 899028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (+) map (const 1) $ "foobar"
< 1305645222 520550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]]'
< 1305645222 602089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inf...
< 1305645228 436402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I've messed that up slightly
< 1305645230 19436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t length
< 1305645230 728454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> Int
< 1305645232 488295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t const
< 1305645233 186899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1305645233 269000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> b -> a
< 1305645237 302585 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh right, Haskell can't type the X combinator
< 1305645240 584306 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can with a newtype or two.
< 1305645242 290422 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, think haskell would optimise it?
< 1305645244 508121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (+) (map (const 1)) $ "foobar"
< 1305645245 241381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a] -> [t]'
< 1305645245 322989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GH...
< 1305645247 958894 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :List fusion is excellent, so it's possible.
< 1305645253 960716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah
< 1305645255 101193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferred type `GH...?
< 1305645257 737104 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not down to length directly, though.
< 1305645262 920310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305645267 431236 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GHC.Any, probably
< 1305645272 201850 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or GHC.Char or something
< 1305645272 337002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (foldl (+)) . (map (const 1)) $ "foobar"
< 1305645273 26256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show ([[t]] -> [t])
< 1305645273 107701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a us...
< 1305645288 616822 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> foldl (+) (map (const 1)) $ "foobar"
< 1305645288 861553 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:29:
< 1305645288 943496 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `[a0] -> [b0]' with actual type `Char'
< 1305645289 25676 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: [[a0] -> [b0]]
< 1305645289 25835 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: [Char]
< 1305645289 113643 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `($)', namely `"foobar"'
< 1305645291 226160 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: foldl (+) (map (const 1)) $ "foobar"
< 1305645296 552717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably got that composition backwards
< 1305645298 912738 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> (foldl (+)) . (map (const 1)) $ "foobar"
< 1305645298 994765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:8:
< 1305645300 908996 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    No instance for (Num [b0])
< 1305645302 994475 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :      arising from a use of `+'
< 1305645303 91415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I want to say, I'm just geting it wrong
< 1305645304 858333 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Num [b0])
< 1305645311 420803 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: foldl requires a zero value
< 1305645315 868341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1305645322 576879 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum . map (const 1) $ "foobar"
< 1305645323 910649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1305645326 713639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (map (const 1)) . (foldl (+) 0)$ "foobar"
< 1305645327 303584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1305645327 398698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.Types...
< 1305645328 187289 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src sum
< 1305645328 301336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum = foldl (+) 0
< 1305645335 407949 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you had it the right way around
< 1305645339 88505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (foldl (+) 0) . (map (const 1)) $ "foobar"
< 1305645340 473542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1305645342 453261 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why isn't sum foldl'
< 1305645343 468142 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid
< 1305645343 550054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting the semantics of .
< 1305645356 438200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: in case you sum an empty list
< 1305645370 227862 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...
< 1305645376 53595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum []
< 1305645376 675336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1305645377 112382 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's foldl1.
< 1305645382 193908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src foldl'
< 1305645382 275931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl' f a []     = a
< 1305645382 356916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl' f a (x:xs) = let a' = f a x in a' `seq` foldl' f a' xs
< 1305645389 722185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src foldl
< 1305645389 804321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl f z []     = z
< 1305645389 804476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl f z (x:xs) = foldl f (f z x) xs
< 1305645401 786503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src seq
< 1305645401 868348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I feel much better now.
< 1305645405 222353 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait, integers are strict
< 1305645407 851256 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other number types might not be
< 1305645408 512850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does seq do?
< 1305645421 410696 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It might be good to assume I know the Prelude better than you if you keep forgetting what (.) does and don't know what seq is X-D
< 1305645423 980652 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t seq
< 1305645424 601894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a t. a -> t -> t
< 1305645428 391505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :force its left argument before running the right argument
< 1305645434 193844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I know you do, that's why I'm asking questions
< 1305645434 574919 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sort of.
< 1305645444 21430 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant re: the foldl' thing :P
< 1305645447 828862 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It doesn't mean the left argument will be evaluated immediately.
< 1305645453 283168 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means it'll be evaluated before the thunk is.
< 1305645458 382684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1305645466 267130 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if (a `seq` b) gets forced, a will get forced.
< 1305645469 737945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a lazy version of force left before evaluating right
< 1305645470 660050 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then b.)
< 1305645479 503206 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if (a `seq` b) isn't forced, then nothing happens.
< 1305645487 96560 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's no way to make a strict version, really
< 1305645490 547131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far does it go? e.g. if a returns type (), and the whole thing is forced, will anything happen to calculate that ()?
< 1305645493 97023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no
< 1305645495 753753 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine const x (a `seq` b)
< 1305645507 336212 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or const x (foldl ... (... ... (_|_ `seq` x) ...) ...)
< 1305645509 720911 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1305645514 129466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, obviously not in Haskell
< 1305645525 583450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could define strict seq just fine in, say, algol 60
< 1305645526 415327 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how far does it go? e.g. if a returns type (), and the whole thing is forced, will anything happen to calculate that ()?
< 1305645534 127595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305645538 686390 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it could also be _|_.
< 1305645542 350524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1305645543 404108 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :() `seq` x = x
< 1305645546 862830 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ `seq` x = _|_
< 1305645563 696270 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr seq ()
< 1305645564 480647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> ()
< 1305645565 793065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the left-hand value is just used uselessly, in a way
< 1305645572 256970 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> foldr seq x
< 1305645572 958516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. b -> [a] -> b
< 1305645577 386972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4/0) seq ()
< 1305645578 9068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Infinity
< 1305645578 929063 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip foldr seq
< 1305645579 643977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1 b. (a -> (a1 -> b -> b) -> a1 -> b -> b) -> [a] -> a1 -> b -> b
< 1305645583 691740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what?
< 1305645586 72635 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: `seq`
< 1305645587 820277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot the quotes
< 1305645595 566159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering why that typed at all
< 1305645600 23728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4/0) `seq` ()
< 1305645600 564527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ()
< 1305645602 315634 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lambdabot has function instances for Num, I think
< 1305645605 960010 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's Floating
< 1305645606 645756 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows
< 1305645607 274864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4::Int/0) `seq` ()
< 1305645607 828841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Only unit numeric type pattern is valid
< 1305645617 76876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((4::Int)/0) `seq` ()
< 1305645617 856996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int)
< 1305645617 938786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1305645621 747925 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM `div`
< 1305645626 226536 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (9 `div` 0) `seq` ()
< 1305645626 922248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: divide by zero
< 1305645630 193102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you can't divide an Int?
< 1305645631 570860 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. _|_
< 1305645634 823540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1305645637 320355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was checking
< 1305645637 560699 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but you can div one.
< 1305645649 390395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense; you can divide integers, but have to div ints
< 1305645672 498575 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also quot for ints
< 1305645685 352350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that handle negative numbers differently?
< 1305645705 812754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessing, I'd say -4 `div` 3 would be -1, and -4 `quot` 3 would be -2
< 1305645727 937870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((div (-4) 3),(quot (-4) 3))
< 1305645728 613771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (-2,-1)
< 1305645729 898861 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It affects the rounding, yes.
< 1305645742 480600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's the opposite of what I predicted
< 1305645746 231671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I screwed up the maths
< 1305645994 892528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, BtW, Timwi wants to make a new skin for the wiki.
< 1305646009 637360 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh."
< 1305646027 93008 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have increasingly become of the opinion that nobody should be allowed to make a MediaWiki anything but Monobook or Vector.
< 1305646044 196422 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, he just /asked/ for sysopship?
< 1305646073 236229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hmm, I think I might agree with you there
< 1305646091 840652 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... you can't actually add new skins as a sysop, can you?
< 1305646097 327329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can modify the CSS of existing ones
< 1305646100 416798 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you can add new ones
< 1305646103 809083 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making his request justification even odder
< 1305646120 548084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oi, Haskellwiki.
< 1305646138 228026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you can tweak the CSS and add JavaScript, but you definitely can't modify skins internally
< 1305646146 728051 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HaskellWiki's new  design is alright.
< 1305646151 62841 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old one was terrible.
< 1305646215 570692 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking for sysopship is definitely worrying though, in most places on the internet asking for power is a sure-fire way of making sure you don't get it
< 1305646239 794735 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wikipedia is an exception, but Wikipedia handling sysophood in a certain way is usually an argument against that way :) )
< 1305646271 879765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you probably want to delete Subleq+, anyway
< 1305646291 33487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, if I have two Data.Word.Word8 and want to add them together getting a Word8 back, why doesn't just a+b work?
< 1305646300 78952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1305646301 903664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1305646305 543822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the ghc error
< 1305646306 738468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1305646315 246509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I made it a redirect
< 1305646327 359483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, RationalWiki is an exception, predictably.
< 1305646342 410318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I got adminship on Esolang by asking Graue for it
< 1305646345 867190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got both sysop- and bureaucratship by asking, basically.
< 1305646349 909703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I gave an actual reason why it was needed
< 1305646393 921230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn't direct asking, more I prompted enough that he asked me
< 1305646400 244665 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once asked for sysop privs on Wikipedia. Didn't happen.
< 1305646439 462440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort-of envisage how that RFA would go in my head
< 1305646441 503723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link?
< 1305646465 855370 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, if I have two Data.Word.Word8 and want to add them together getting a Word8 back, why doesn't just a+b work?
< 1305646466 539144 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1305646494 617044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Don't encourage him pinging people for followup comments as well
< 1305646506 30327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yeah I misread confusing ghc error
< 1305646509 666728 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wat?
< 1305646517 673115 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I.e. read the following lines before responding :-P
< 1305646545 397340 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was just confirming, and also punishing him for asking a question so soon with a ping ;D
< 1305646635 103769 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've replied to the thread about skins with a lot of parentheses and at least one neologism
< 1305646657 779673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: haha
< 1305646784 943404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike your spelling of sleekifiitude
< 1305646792 663773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the third i is a little over the top
< 1305646816 572263 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's to aid pronunciation.
< 1305646820 907788 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleek-ifi-itude.
< 1305646822 978451 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i-FY-itude.
< 1305646828 562145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm also not convinced "jaggedy" is a real word, although I think I've seen it been used before)
< 1305646830 895871 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sleekifyitude" just looks SILLY.
< 1305646837 324298 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jaggedy is real enough a word.
< 1305646839 463373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be easier to pronounce as "sleekifitude"
< 1305646841 819897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jaggedy
< 1305646859 551987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although pronounced differently
< 1305646879 441935 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But that'd miss the subtle strands of meaning :(
< 1305646907 32797 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Learning_Haskell <-- lol at the implementations section
< 1305646918 18847 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really verbose table version of "Yeah, uh, just use GHC."
< 1305646936 718776 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Helium and UHC aren't exactly actively developed either.
< 1305646946 854485 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, UHC might be.
< 1305646951 14151 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems so.
< 1305646958 120691 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helium isn't, though, I don't think.
< 1305647005 656722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wasn't there a jhc?
< 1305647008 17577 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that Haskell's logo was "Lambda on Commodore 64"
< 1305647023 610217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, lol
< 1305647027 143128 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it's relatively well-developed but not really compatible with much IIRC.
< 1305647036 581416 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a whole-program-including-libraries compiler.
< 1305647052 293330 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: X-D
< 1305647057 276782 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's been most-compared to Amtrak's logo :P
< 1305647069 488462 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the best logo from the contest IMO but it's alright.
< 1305647088 382136 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blogonauts.com/eats-the-world/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/Haskell_Logo.jpg ;; kickin' it oldschool
< 1305647097 810265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah
< 1305647105 387771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, kind of cool iirc last I looked at it
< 1305647116 790738 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but it doesn't even have a REPL :P
< 1305647118 187832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, whole program optimisation taken a step further than usual
< 1305647128 746524 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibClang 0.0.8
< 1305647128 844898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useless for anyone trying to /learn/ Haskell.
< 1305647129 20744 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Haskell bindings for libclang (a C++ parsing library)
< 1305647130 845861 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol
< 1305647137 613146 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what?
< 1305647141 612861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah
< 1305647144 167603 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :libclang is a C++ parsing library now?
< 1305647146 465595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And I'm still not sure it's actually useful yet :P
< 1305647164 30069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it is cool however. Anyway this logo used to be used quite recently iirc? http://www.blogonauts.com/eats-the-world/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/Haskell_Logo.jpg
< 1305647173 566133 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It seems to at least partially be, yes.
< 1305647182 897445 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The new logo has been around for, like, over a year.
< 1305647187 980195 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. "Partially"
< 1305647192 175836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah, quite new then
< 1305647208 620377 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LibClang package
< 1305647208 824411 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibClang package provides direct bindings to libclang.
< 1305647208 906348 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be enough for parsing C/C++ code, walking the AST and querying nodes and completion queries.
< 1305647219 404617 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It doesn't seem to actually have compilation support.
< 1305647221 889673 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the binding doesn't.
< 1305647234 306225 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys FAIL SO HARD.
< 1305647236 69135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1305647241 813749 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Define you guys.
< 1305647244 190422 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me?
< 1305647249 363041 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person who wrote the binding?
< 1305647252 608806 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every Haskell user in existence?
< 1305647257 321432 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the binding is only to the parser, I was laughing at the suggestion that libclang is a "C++ parser library"
< 1305647274 495175 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsing
< 1305647278 35037 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clang.llvm.org/doxygen/group__CINDEX.html
< 1305647288 84850 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see anything related to non-parsing there.
< 1305647299 944943 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for maybe "translation unit manipulation".
< 1305647316 100761 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation unit m---that's one :P
< 1305647335 732102 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it just counts a C++ file as a translation unit.
< 1305647340 617694 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, IIRC, a perfectly valid definition.
< 1305647349 610067 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CINDEX_LINKAGE CXTranslationUnit 	clang_parseTranslationUnit (CXIndex CIdx, const char *source_filename, const char *const *command_line_args, int num_command_line_args, struct CXUnsavedFile *unsaved_files, unsigned num_unsaved_files, unsigned options)
< 1305647349 776819 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	Parse the given source file and the translation unit corresponding to that file.
< 1305647350 269920 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1305647360 643123 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there are some non-parsing functions there, but it's certainly not obvious that there are.
< 1305647362 692032 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAR BLAR BLAR.
< 1305647366 781812 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say BLAR BLAR!
< 1305647382 30209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently libclang is made of fail :P
< 1305647386 122991 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it says: "The C Interface to Clang provides a relatively small API that exposes facilities for parsing source code into an abstract syntax tree (AST), loading already-parsed ASTs, traversing the AST, associating physical source locations with elements within the AST, and other facilities that support Clang-based development tools."
< 1305647388 74925 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I feel like "libclang is a library to parse and analyse C and C++ (and probably Objective-C) source code" is a valid assessment.
< 1305647396 503382 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, it is a parsing library then.
< 1305647398 909059 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOKAY
< 1305647412 101125 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: BLAR. BLAR. BLAR.
< 1305647441 205519 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still better than libgcc which doesn't have anything to do with compiling code. :p
< 1305647452 521586 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1305647632 463304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, should be libgccruntime or something like that
< 1305647669 295161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes it does, it's a library of functions to compile code into
< 1305647679 124026 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"    So you’ve seen other skins that are rubbish, and because of that you don’t even want to let me try? — Timwi 15:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)"
< 1305647683 276042 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, this is going to turn into a spat, isn't it.
< 1305647685 653050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case your system doesn't have a 64-bit multiply or whatever, you can compile it into the libgcc version
< 1305647696 677306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, where is that quote from?
< 1305647706 192587 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: talk:main page
< 1305647710 423313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or in case it lacks a 32-bit add
< 1305647743 467652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what is it about really, skins?
< 1305647746 453289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1305647751 757902 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a space ship.
< 1305647760 687278 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1305647768 256476 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi wants to be a sysop so he can make a new default skin.
< 1305647785 621212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable to me.
< 1305647797 315226 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, then again, I am a space ship.
< 1305647867 190412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I've suggested that Timwi makes his pure-CSS skin using User:Timwi/myskin.css
< 1305647889 873981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure css skin? mediawiki?
< 1305647890 593854 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, I'm trying to edit the page, and I've already had /one/ edit conflict
< 1305647893 564390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this must be a joke
< 1305647903 154619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed
< 1305647923 117138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a "if you think that's possible and will work well, prove it" response is better than a "that won't work" response, although I gave both
< 1305647949 565271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that Timwi apparently doesn't know how to make an internal link to a section
< 1305647960 219930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1305647972 747950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not completely obvious, but I'd rather people knew that sort of thing before wanting to mess around with the MediaWiki: pages which are a lot more finicky
< 1305647982 223667 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305647985 596898 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's edit was saved
< 1305647986 113462 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1305648009 911210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is [[#foo|whatever]] isn't it?
< 1305648026 27747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and [[page#foo|whatever]] to link to a section on a different page, which is what he was trying to do
< 1305648066 725970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doing that to the same page works though, except it will cause the browser to reload the page. Oh and mess up with clicking them when doing preview on edit
< 1305648091 50638 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's a pretty huge thread already
< 1305648142 527407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the problem with linking to pages with + in their name isn't a MediaWiki bug, it's a bug in the Apache mod_rewrite config
< 1305648146 817874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know the solution offhand
< 1305648344 486204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, which haskell mode for emacs do you suggest?
< 1305648356 143222 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Latest haskell-mode from darcs.
< 1305648363 566685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With
< 1305648363 966877 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'turn-on-haskell-doc-mode)
< 1305648364 212518 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'turn-on-haskell-indentation)
< 1305648374 996565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why the last from darcs
< 1305648375 550648 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although haskell-indentation has been annoying me more and more lately because it tries to be too smart but not smart enough
< 1305648381 749009 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the distro versions are really out of date
< 1305648385 123008 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott_> Although haskell-indentation has been annoying me more and more lately because it tries to be too smart but not smart enough
< 1305648390 237388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what am I going to miss?
< 1305648391 687348 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This will only apply if you do tricky nesting though :-P)
< 1305648395 214557 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Improvements.
< 1305648400 723489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, gee thanks
< 1305648400 805624 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, it's just a
< 1305648402 283505 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   $ darcs get http://code.haskell.org/haskellmode-emacs/ haskell-mode
< 1305648402 810579 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :away
< 1305648408 124983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and installing that
< 1305648411 360625 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No?
< 1305648414 126398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I forgot how to do
< 1305648414 796606 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "load" instead of "require".
< 1305648420 258154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that ws it
< 1305648421 220094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was*
< 1305648425 920423 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(load "~/blah/haskell-mode/haskell-site-file.el")
< 1305648428 412378 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'turn-on-haskell-doc-mode)
< 1305648428 684180 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'turn-on-haskell-indentation)
< 1305648498 466609 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm hooks
< 1305648521 190682 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been able to get myself to use emacs.
< 1305648529 78005 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vim for that matter.
< 1305648545 823513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you precompile *.elc now again...
< 1305648550 617388 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use gedit for most programming tasks.
< 1305648562 937248 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you really need to :P
< 1305648567 283171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, gedit is terrible. kate is better
< 1305648577 378039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes, I need to optimise loading time obviously
< 1305648580 353122 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CakeProphet, gedit is terrible. kate is better <-- stop trying to start a flamewar
< 1305648589 536149 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'd be ok if you just flamed it without suggesting an alternative ;D)
< 1305648594 556963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1305648598 508574 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,
< 1305648599 205374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit is quite terrible
< 1305648605 530921 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a lot of people who love kate in here
< 1305648609 355803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are options but I refuse to tell you them
< 1305648611 105466 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can get a good gedit/kate flamewar
< 1305648619 378735 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if a vi or emacs guy comes in, they'll assume we're all noobs
< 1305648627 542910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I don't love kate, I find it usable,  but far from perfect
< 1305648636 214623 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it's not a particularly amazing piece of software, but it has syntax highlighting and automatic indents, which are the two essentials for me.
< 1305648644 413713 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pico forevar!"
< 1305648649 547415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I use both Kate and gedit; and I think Kate is better but I use gedit more often
< 1305648651 296787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nano
< 1305648658 481787 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "nano? Oh come on, they haven't even implemented [OBSCURE PICO KEY COMBINATION]."
< 1305648662 152226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit's my Notepad substitute, for the sort of things that would work just fine in Notepad
< 1305648664 619333 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SEE ABOVE
< 1305648667 402046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I also use it for editing lua, for some reason
< 1305648673 576548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's really really complex lua, then I use Emacs
< 1305648679 190053 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone's made a faithful Notepad clone for GTK
< 1305648681 442770 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be amusing
< 1305648688 168382 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the automatic date insertion stuff
< 1305648697 776183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a wine notepad...
< 1305648698 863496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, Remember it has to refuse to open too large files
< 1305648713 774048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, why not use kate if you think it is better than gedit
< 1305648726 579212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean, kate and gedit loads in about the same amount of time
< 1305648727 653046 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Modern(TM) Notepad can handle large files.
< 1305648731 79729 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: True :P
< 1305648737 74470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, post-XP?
< 1305648768 222686 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Vorpal is very disgruntled by your gedit use, apparently. haha.
< 1305648776 887970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm just trying to understand
< 1305648794 337589 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I figured.
< 1305648794 697020 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notepad makes use of a built-in window class named "EDIT". In older versions such as those included with Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me and Windows 3.1, there is a 64k limit on the size of the file being edited, an operating system limit of the EDIT class."
< 1305648804 799979 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate is a pain in gnome
< 1305648809 544897 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So any NT-class Notepad should be mokay.
< 1305648810 94365 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because kdefour anything is a pain in anything
< 1305648818 687955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised I typed nano -w ~/.emacs
< 1305648819 501513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1305648824 70652 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used kate, actually.
< 1305648846 818486 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305648852 415190 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1305648858 774474 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real men and women and also people edit with LEADEN
< 1305648887 22402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: which editor was yours that saved every keystroke and used a VCS for its undo feature?
< 1305648897 259419 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I edit with Perl, duh.
< 1305648922 727056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: leaden :)
< 1305648927 925010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I thought it might be
< 1305648930 696471 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I never got to implementing the undo, though
< 1305648932 691216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would fit in so nicely with sg
< 1305648936 217223 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it wasn't going to use VCS for undo, just for save
< 1305648937 240311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really implemented either
< 1305648938 947768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sg?
< 1305648942 772750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh scapegoat?
< 1305648942 910728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: scapegoat
< 1305648943 572815 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have you pre-byte-compiled your Emacs init file already? The manual disrecommends it, but startup time is obviously crucial.
< 1305648944 262757 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because branching undo with VCSes is a pain
< 1305648946 359381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305648947 679526 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have to explicitly branch
< 1305648959 744426 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd serialise its own undo tree
< 1305648960 80269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I forgot how to pre-byte-compile
< 1305648963 505957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you apply a .diff patch to a c project?
< 1305648974 97262 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ...
< 1305648982 777882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you happen to know?
< 1305648989 223765 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305648991 155386 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, /I/ have troubles remembering how to use patch sometimes, but come on, you could have found out the answer to that in five seconds by Googling.
< 1305648991 357742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the init file: meh
< 1305649004 709751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway real speed fans loads it into the emacs image
< 1305649013 446073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since emacs is already an image with pre-loaded stuff)
< 1305649023 908660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it would take me at least 2 minutes. the only place i get 5 second answers  is here
< 1305649041 385735 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you're really slow at clicking links
< 1305649052 922943 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real speed fans would just, you know, not bother with starting Emacs, since it's obviously already running.
< 1305649072 360180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: can't help the fact internet here is slow
< 1305649109 8596 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The manual recommends the Emacs server dealie as an alternative to byte-compiling init files.)
< 1305649210 13805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh make compile did it
< 1305649219 496514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1305649388 971639 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. I might start using Emacs
< 1305649438 830554 :FireFly!~firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305649441 421487 :FireFly!~firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se QUIT :Changing host
< 1305649441 421718 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305649509 872812 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is like Windows, it's a really shitty platform but you use it anyway because of what's built on it
< 1305649512 598500 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the modes)
< 1305649523 591996 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but jesus these tutorials are obnoxious.
< 1305649540 281529 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not reading the built-in tutorial are you?
< 1305649556 25153 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the "tour"
< 1305649573 809052 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/?
< 1305649577 748361 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that.
< 1305649584 187893 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks stupid.
< 1305649603 120433 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, read Xah Lee's tutorial; if nothing else it'll be AMUSING!
< 1305649609 154182 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will leave it up to fizzie to tell CakeProphet not to.
< 1305649632 772092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this example is simple old code: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/images/code.png
< 1305649652 113372 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...M-x is such an awkward key combination
< 1305649665 468345 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x isn't used very often
< 1305649667 326256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, no x is just above alt
< 1305649674 438668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thumb + index finger
< 1305649674 520593 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, which is why it's so awkward
< 1305649680 771882 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, your thumb has to contort underneath your finger
< 1305649682 377838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thumb for both
< 1305649686 241627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1305649692 165162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, anyway yeah it is rarely used
< 1305649731 241010 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, this example is simple old code: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/images/code.png
< 1305649732 676048 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's old about it
< 1305649738 367413 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's simple about it)
< 1305649748 792563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, "simply*"
< 1305649755 17497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but old, check functions
< 1305649756 507924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(bar)
< 1305649762 765371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :  int bar
< 1305649766 547318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1305649767 134991 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would I ever remember all of these key combos....
< 1305649767 888079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, come on, it is K&R
< 1305649768 939254 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is coded like that.
< 1305649774 836521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, !!
< 1305649782 348184 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise Emacs was mature in the eighties, right?
< 1305649785 407236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305649792 481943 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Because they do useful things?
< 1305649797 228748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no reason to not protoize it after
< 1305649798 302543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1305649798 928770 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to remember THAT many.
< 1305649800 610331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to turn off computer
< 1305649803 754544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderstorm
< 1305649810 333533 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: protoize affects semantics.
< 1305649816 739114 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K[and]R functions do freaky upconversion.
< 1305649841 905664 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Heck, I even use the arrow keys.
< 1305649842 319099 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah but there's a whole list of things to memorize for doing simple stuff like... moving through text. Whereas every other text editor ever uses home, end, ctrl+left/right, etc
< 1305649856 66490 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too.
< 1305649857 322757 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, the point is that Ctrl+F/B/P/N avoid moving your hands...
< 1305649869 586653 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But moving around in one-char increments is a stupid idea anyway.
< 1305649874 71425 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-s is a godsend.
< 1305649885 636594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is?
< 1305649888 527308 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incremental search.
< 1305649900 253588 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1305649907 526533 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Anyway, Emacs is actually older than cursor keys. :p
< 1305649914 861184 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, hmm.)
< 1305649918 243887 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Older than cursor keys on PCs, anyway.)
< 1305649925 239337 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fast search and replace would be a significant boon towards emacs to me
< 1305649939 82198 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh... there are editors with SLOW search and replace?
< 1305649950 887427 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in like, a fast, non-interrupting search and replace.
< 1305649981 9833 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how big files do you edit exactly
< 1305649984 213671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of not having to deal with UI dialogs.
< 1305649993 655583 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as in a fast execution time for the search-replace.
< 1305649997 972568 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nothing in Emacs is non-interrupting, the damn thing doesn't even have threads.
< 1305650000 21226 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what you mean.
< 1305650005 372247 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the interface... hahaha
< 1305650006 977736 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's done with the minibuffer.
< 1305650026 677197 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x replace-string  source  replacement , although there's also a regexp version.
< 1305650031 944765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a keybinding for replace-string, dunno.
< 1305650036 392633 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case you can assign your own if you want.)
< 1305650043 753648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... no threads? Does it have weird "clunkiness" issues?
< 1305650050 116336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305650050 903648 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1305650064 37111 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text editing doesn't exactly involve intensive computation.
< 1305650074 637394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm so what's the difference between replace-string and replace-query
< 1305650082 744605 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's replace-query
< 1305650088 11143 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have that command here
< 1305650102 62061 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's query-replace
< 1305650103 101051 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't know, but this tour thing mentions it. it's C-% I think?
< 1305650106 671611 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe M-%
< 1305650115 381112 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, it seems to act just like replace-string...
< 1305650139 546086 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks it out (C-h F query-replace)
< 1305650151 703661 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to change only some of the occurrences of `foo' to
< 1305650152 66019 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bar', not all of them, use `M-%' (`query-replace').  This command
< 1305650152 147969 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finds occurrences of `foo' one by one, displays each occurrence and
< 1305650152 148137 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asks you whether to replace it.
< 1305650155 506548 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305650157 375929 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: replace-string just does it unconditionally.
< 1305650219 561855 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1305650234 704348 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the F for in that C-h command?
< 1305650251 325037 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look up command.
< 1305650285 725280 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's other things to look up key binding, look up Lisp function/variable/etc., start the info reader, blah blah blah.
< 1305650288 3142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I won't even ask how F correlates to that. I guess "function"?
< 1305650293 871293 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-h f is function.
< 1305650300 536290 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uhh, commands are functions?
< 1305650303 659663 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess... so?
< 1305650304 721897 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1305650311 144017 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows, I just looked it up in C-h ? since I forgot. :-P
< 1305650319 906638 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C-h ? being "help about C-h".)
< 1305650324 328754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If only it was "help about C-h ?".)
< 1305650326 372954 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hahaha. what happens if you forget C-h ?
< 1305650338 403686 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it comes up if you press C-h and then sit there for a few seconds doing nothing.
< 1305650344 612190 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you forget C-h, I think you just give up.
< 1305650348 276923 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nice.
< 1305650355 789591 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you'd have to remember C-x C-c to quit.
< 1305650365 625695 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god...
< 1305650375 808394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, how often do you quit your editor?
< 1305650393 573512 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worth nothing that Emacs actually predates Ctrl+X/C/V altogether.
< 1305650401 395922 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vi's the canonical "oh no I'm trapped and can't get out" program.
< 1305650402 300000 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends heavily on what I'm doing. With gedit it can be often.
< 1305650403 263047 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often when doing one-off edits
< 1305650414 576904 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but quitting Emacs is an Emacs anti-pattern.
< 1305650423 161149 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't spawn a new Emacs just to make a one-off edit.
< 1305650425 784877 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is worse than vi, I'd say
< 1305650427 882654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think as soon as you press control-h, Emacs gives you a hint that you might want to press ? if you don't know what to do next
< 1305650431 770654 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps less canonical
< 1305650432 366143 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? ed's just "q".
< 1305650435 784017 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi requires a COLON in front.
< 1305650439 316864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I do, because I have Emacs set up to remember state when I close it
< 1305650440 537664 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd use gedit for quick edits anyways...
< 1305650441 556420 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unintuitive[exclamation mark]
< 1305650448 87218 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You don't use Emacs conventionally.
< 1305650457 611432 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our new-student computer-system-primer documentation had a "here's what to do when you end up in vi" page.
< 1305650464 116860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: indeed, but the option has to exist for a reason
< 1305650466 267443 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Step one: Panic.
< 1305650471 472233 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give vim ^C and it says "type :quit", give ed ^C and it says "?"
< 1305650478 790786 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, quitting Emacs is useful for reasons other than quitting other editors.
< 1305650487 886886 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: logging out of your time-sharing system.
< 1305650504 631466 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I lol'd.
< 1305650510 540158 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm surprise GNU ed doesn't have fancy error messages.
< 1305650516 491650 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Regular" vi doesn't help you with ^C, though.
< 1305650517 114457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: vim reacts the same way on control-X control-C
< 1305650525 134676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably to help out lost Emacs users
< 1305650529 658659 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so what is c-x?
< 1305650530 317456 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fail
< 1305650533 993094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I never even thought of trying Emacs' quit sequence in vim
< 1305650539 836754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  Give vim ^C and it says "type :quit", give ed ^C and it says "?"
< 1305650540 75459 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: vim reacts the same way on control-X control-C
< 1305650546 509215 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what C-c is?
< 1305650547 954950 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right, ^C.
< 1305650549 259796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, it's probably because the control- X doesn't leave it in a state where control-C has a different meaning
< 1305650553 693751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vi is very modal
< 1305650558 831165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is vim
< 1305650561 438908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+X literally does nothing.
< 1305650566 901456 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that's to help out Emacs users.
< 1305650573 214895 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim doesn't use Ctrl much.
< 1305650579 47526 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what C-x in emacs.
< 1305650583 738065 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is
< 1305650589 934559 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ?
< 1305650592 645696 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Oh.
< 1305650592 727464 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't have regular vi on any of my machines, so I couldn't check :-P These days you run into vim more often anyway
< 1305650596 591134 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: C-x is just a prefix.
< 1305650601 154584 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does nothing by itself, you just put stuff after it.
< 1305650611 830712 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without it, you'd run out of keys on the keyboard to press to do things.)
< 1305650613 249605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like... super-alt? :P
< 1305650629 917216 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Ctrl+X decrements the number under the cursor
< 1305650631 93336 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a sticky mega-alt that lasts for one additional keycombo. :p
< 1305650634 450180 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Heh.
< 1305650645 174361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas ESC is literally prefix alt
< 1305650657 116211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-X and ESC X have the same meaning in Emacs
< 1305650660 298744 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: More like alt is combination ESC.
< 1305650668 111348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ESC ESC x has the same meaning as ESC alt-X
< 1305650669 679104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: indeed
< 1305650676 322904 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....waaaat. why.
< 1305650681 93258 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Because of terminals.
< 1305650684 386280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, technically it's meta not alt, but most modern Emacsen translate
< 1305650687 38970 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ESC didn't used to mean "lol exit".
< 1305650700 737660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: over telnet, you can't distinguish alt-letter from esc letter except by the timing
< 1305650702 380502 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt+x is, VT[one hundred]-wise, just ESC, followed by alt.
< 1305650702 789338 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, escape as in escape sequence.
< 1305650703 496497 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm.
< 1305650704 912301 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt+x is, VT[one hundred]-wise, just ESC, followed by x.
< 1305650708 832004 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "over telnet"?
< 1305650714 779531 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an anachronism as far as Emacs goes.
< 1305650756 29287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I know, but it's relevant for /me/
< 1305650760 160815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I do a lot of roguelike development
< 1305650774 184774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...awesome. :)
< 1305650779 304320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and telnet lacks the nuances to get anything other than the vt100 terminal codes, portably at least
< 1305650796 823934 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that means ESC actually takes some amount of time in vi(m).
< 1305650803 834374 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to work on MUD servers back in the day (read: like 2 years ago)
< 1305650805 561276 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's waiting to see if you'll send cursor-control bytes.
< 1305650815 59486 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, some amount = imperceptable, but still.)
< 1305650818 260144 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]imperceptible
< 1305650857 409894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it isn't my server, but it's my NetHack fork: telnet acehack.rawrnix.com
< 1305650872 62818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a bit buggy atm, although it's in beta not alpha
< 1305650879 525121 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... -uses his MUD client instead of telnet-
< 1305650885 635731 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: After you've (in panic) managed to accidentally modify your file, the ":quit" tip isn't really enough. (Admittedly :q then says "add ! to override", but it doesn't tell where to "add" that, and if you then type plain ! you're likely to get real confused + accidentally run a shell command too.)
< 1305650912 920339 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi was created in an attempt to trick emacs users into removing all their files
< 1305650914 723340 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE CHRONOLOGIES
< 1305650957 68133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything in emacs that REQUIRES the use of a mouse?
< 1305650968 613029 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mayhap
< 1305650972 384494 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that the "open file" option has no key combination next to it.
< 1305650984 524883 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: C-x C-f
< 1305650991 209064 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses the toolbar or menu.
< 1305650993 84039 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody.
< 1305651011 200689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now ais523 will say he does, just to prove me wrong, because he uses Emacs in the silliest way possible.)
< 1305651025 359542 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  it looks pretty awful.
< 1305651038 54014 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You can turn them off in your ~/.emacs.
< 1305651045 290817 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone doesn't.
< 1305651053 417352 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'll keep them while I'm getting the hang of things.
< 1305651090 382871 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think I've used the menu, though not habitually.
< 1305651092 370669 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll definitely want to put some things in your ~/.emacs soonish, since the defaults are insane in some ways.
< 1305651108 379819 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'll look into it soon.
< 1305651109 789736 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, even if you like to indent with four spaces, it'll replace every eight-space sequence with a tab.
< 1305651122 414512 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1305651124 372323 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....x
< 1305651124 789408 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :......whut. yes, that needs to go.
< 1305651129 105930 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :============x
< 1305651132 71842 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :========....y
< 1305651136 711241 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :================z
< 1305651141 991059 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god.
< 1305651142 72955 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :========....y
< 1305651143 533081 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....x
< 1305651147 66657 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where . is space and = is a tab.
< 1305651149 863302 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1305651153 744942 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight =s are a tab.
< 1305651154 570019 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, . is a space and eight =s are a tab.
< 1305651155 644764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I use the menu via F10 sometimes, which pops it up in a separate buffer, when I can't remember what a command's called
< 1305651155 973781 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1305651165 179187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as using the menu in the sense you were referring to?
< 1305651169 479689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not really.
< 1305651182 490520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, I think
< 1305651190 666115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a GUI menu would just take up space, although it took me a while to figure out how to disable it
< 1305651223 69611 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  yes I'd like to know how to change that behavior immediately. :P
< 1305651276 531114 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Depends.
< 1305651291 269860 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Do you want to indent with single tabs all the time but show them as some width other than eight, or do you want to indent exclusively with spaces?
< 1305651311 956149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(custom-set-variables '(indent-tabs-mode nil)) goes to space-exclusive indentation
< 1305651312 281008 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the latter, it's (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil).
< 1305651315 782048 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh
< 1305651317 956745 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see I wish MUDs could take advantage of telnet. But there's virtually no support for that kind of thing.
< 1305651321 234348 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Useless Use of Custom Award
< 1305651328 402032 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the latter, it's (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil) AND DEFINITELY NOT WHAT AIS JUST SAID.
< 1305651331 411027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not useless, as that's how I made the setting in the first place
< 1305651341 915770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former doesn't exist, as tabs always mean 8
< 1305651341 997506 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  I prefer spaces honestly.
< 1305651349 445084 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Troll.
< 1305651381 445607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: the other opinion has ruined tabs for everyone
< 1305651389 470373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if they don't have a meaning, they're meaningless, and thus can't be used
< 1305651399 634201 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Your opinion is not popular as has been established many times.
< 1305651408 469625 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop being a pain by assuming everyone shares it, since you know they don't.
< 1305651409 170117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that doesn't mean it isn't /correct/
< 1305651422 462381 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to help CakeProphet configure Emacs.
< 1305651425 123039 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god. tab/spaces flamewar?
< 1305651430 1589 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no
< 1305651434 221570 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an even stupider flamewar than that
< 1305651440 192808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only one on ais523's side is ais523
< 1305651443 502605 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he's the only one who ever brings it up
< 1305651450 914118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: NetHack source agrees with me
< 1305651458 880486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does C-INTERCAL's before I started working on it
< 1305651462 531038 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you had just said "I don't think you should do that", fine. But stating it as a fact when you know many people in here disagree strongly _is trolling_.
< 1305651473 262451 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to reply to any further lines on the matter because that would be feeding the troll.
< 1305651473 763170 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do vi's and emacs's defaults
< 1305651475 275147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's every open source project I've made major contributions to
< 1305651484 338315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: vi's too? I didn't know that
< 1305651488 313107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did know it wrt Emacs)
< 1305651508 729198 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure of it
< 1305651514 516872 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been my experience that in modern programming spaces-only is preferred.
< 1305651520 161345 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uh, no.
< 1305651525 366010 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: vi does not indent with mixed tabs/spaces by default.
< 1305651546 160345 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it only does if you change shiftwidth
< 1305651548 303120 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows tabs as shift-to-next-multiple-of-eight by default but that is not the same thing.
< 1305651579 463785 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright so which file does this setq go in?
< 1305651589 446062 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It's a setq-default, and ~/.emacs.
< 1305651600 589910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and what about this? I did some editing on Nibbles, and it uses two-space indentation, with the following at the top of the file: /* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- */
< 1305651617 224659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, that specification of the file format completely contradicts the actual /content/ of the file (which uses two-space indentation and never tabs)
< 1305651618 940477 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: okay. I was just saying setq for brevity.
< 1305651621 706337 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please realise that I am not looking to change your opinion or get into a flamewar because I've done that enough times about this and have realised it's fucking pointless. I am just telling you that expressing it in the blunt way you do that ignores all differing opinions is trolling.
< 1305651634 487737 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not going to respond to any defences of your opinion because that is not what this is about.
< 1305651642 141731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm trying to say that as far as I can tell, my opinion is the majority one among open-source code
< 1305651649 125007 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It does not matter what your opinion is.
< 1305651654 692619 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It matters how you're expressing it.
< 1305651660 289102 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Right; setq is something subtly different.
< 1305651677 853701 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp! C-x C-f isn't doing anything.
< 1305651683 754285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the difference is subtle enough that setq will generally normally work, but is nonetheless incorrect
< 1305651692 803300 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes it is.
< 1305651697 388021 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the bottom of the window.
< 1305651724 118930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey! that was cut off.
< 1305651838 496441 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. there's .emacs and then .emacs.d
< 1305651855 70435 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.emacs.d is just zis directory, you know?
< 1305651878 76439 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh, so, C-v is paste I'm hoping?
< 1305651884 953301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1305651886 802898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-y
< 1305651888 861701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of.
< 1305651923 747282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs predates your foolish standardised keyboard commands!
< 1305651935 61824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can basically use C-w as cut, M-w as copy, C-y as paste
< 1305651943 262382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commands have a bit more functionality than that, though
< 1305651945 35008 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except selection also works as copy.
< 1305651947 612941 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :.........
< 1305651948 925675 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To the X selection.)
< 1305651955 736115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: selection with the mouse, that is
< 1305651962 309632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the keyboard, it doesn't
< 1305651971 390761 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: If you're looking for something that acts like it was invented in the 00s or 90s, you're in the wrong place.
< 1305651979 414119 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs predates just about everything else you're using, get used to it :)
< 1305651983 773972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to be simplest to use the mouse rather than the keyboard for copying/pasting into and out of Emacs
< 1305652001 491923 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason I shouldn't change that to C-c, C-x and C-v?
< 1305652006 967189 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305652007 489132 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes.
< 1305652007 876177 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1305652011 289881 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, that clashes with everything.
< 1305652013 270826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c and C-x are both prefix commands
< 1305652015 13692 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For two, they do not behave identically.
< 1305652021 245307 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a cua-mode that uses delays to work out which you mean...
< 1305652022 855697 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one, ugly.
< 1305652023 472787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-v wouldn't be much of a clash, because it does the same thing as Page Down
< 1305652028 838531 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two, like I said: they do not act identically.
< 1305652038 403302 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: C-v is a lot more convenient to press than page down.
< 1305652043 772232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1305652046 528009 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is page up?
< 1305652049 277808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-v
< 1305652059 461066 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305652061 385711 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..ew, but okay.
< 1305652066 904678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs in general doesn't assume that you've got any keys on your keyboard but letters/numbers/punctuation, control, and esc
< 1305652070 779136 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-v is a nice page down though, I agree.
< 1305652083 845040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it can make use of them if you happen to have them
< 1305652101 384519 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least arrow keys do what I expect. :D
< 1305652103 818195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically speaking you can even get by without a return/enter key
< 1305652133 611325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although return is normally more convenient than C-q C-j (C-j does almost but not quite the same thing)
< 1305652154 347024 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting c-x c-arrow scrolls through buffers.
< 1305652160 244833 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use C-j habitually now
< 1305652173 542827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, what it does is probably better than regular return
< 1305652190 653016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my fingers are trained to press tab-return instead, which is almost the same as control-j
< 1305652242 920075 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return-tab, surely
< 1305652254 93029 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, interesting.
< 1305652264 13337 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I've got a pretty innate return-tab reflex.
< 1305652264 637305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: nope, I fix the indentation just before moving onto the next line
< 1305652270 106430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes to the same thing
< 1305652288 92035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes tab-return-tab or return-tab, but many major modes automatically do a tab after a return anyway
< 1305652306 421678 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: except you only hit tab once, with emacs
< 1305652370 145690 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  hmmm? I always hit tab once.
< 1305652388 145287 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305652396 188470 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what kind of editor has tab as "indent all the way" but doesn't automatically indent on enter?
< 1305652398 119630 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Emacs.
< 1305652414 827258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Emacs clone?
< 1305652427 352023 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, gedit uses automatic indenting. So when I hit enter it's automatically at the same indent level as the last line
< 1305652429 136047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Kate doesn't by default, but it has text in its options dialog telling you how to set it up like that
< 1305652433 312468 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I need to indent one more level I just press tab once...
< 1305652436 578700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's not quite the same
< 1305652442 230880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the minimum needed for an editor to be sane
< 1305652449 872416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not nearly as good as it could be
< 1305652453 930822 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : er, gedit uses automatic indenting. So when I hit enter it's automatically at the same indent level as the last line
< 1305652458 819833 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter goes to column one in emacs.
< 1305652463 861285 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Tab indents all the way to the current indentation level.
< 1305652464 873045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Notepad unusable precisely because of missing that feature
< 1305652467 498645 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually:
< 1305652470 150815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab just reindents the current line.
< 1305652470 298484 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay.
< 1305652471 614623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any way to simulate it
< 1305652479 882948 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305652480 50888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you type enter, tab, }, then tab, it'd move it left.
< 1305652486 674269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not necessarily; Tab reindents the current line in modes where that can be sensibly calculated
< 1305652500 605901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in modes like Python or Haskell where there's often more than one possibility that would make sense, it cycles
< 1305652503 682930 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :SIN PARTY SATURDAY | GAY ORGY ALL NIGHT LONG | GLUTTONOUS FEAST | PROBABLY MURDER IF THERE'S TIME | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305652524 799327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in text-mode or others which don't have systems like that, it just moves to the next plausible tab stop
< 1305652529 30972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't really like that topic
< 1305652529 796015 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  is the tab before the } even necessary?
< 1305652536 247259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't interesting, and it isn't funny either
< 1305652548 745575 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're unaware of the rapture on the 21st? :P
< 1305652550 749271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: as an option, defaulting to on, } contains an auto-reindent just like tab does
< 1305652556 127783 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No.
< 1305652559 482315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it still doesn't make it particularly funny
< 1305652568 757815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: But I usually use C-j instead of enter/tab all the time.
< 1305652573 328394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tab is just a "magically tab the right way" button?
< 1305652577 700055 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pfff, have fun being raptured like a loser then.
< 1305652583 89652 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Except if you're coding Python.
< 1305652584 733459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Topical discussion on the best way to reinforce ceilings | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305652587 466147 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Haskell)
< 1305652588 582109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's a much simpler method
< 1305652594 338792 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and then it does what I'm familiar with?
< 1305652594 648694 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it cycles through all possible indentations -- oh, blah blah blah
< 1305652598 203360 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Just use C-j instead of enter.
< 1305652604 572732 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll make life a lot easier for you.
< 1305652635 541219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: my favourite example of Emacsisms is VHDL-mode, which starts a wizard whenever you type a keywords
< 1305652637 526050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a keyword
< 1305652643 801952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've ever used VHDL, you'll understand why
< 1305652649 759218 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it'll take quite a bit of time to get used to. I've already got like one hundred other things to get used to if I want to get comfortable with emacs.
< 1305652662 971048 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever log off elliott_ ?
< 1305652664 237518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is not a fast editor to learn
< 1305652666 231218 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Seriously, C-j is a lot easier to get used to than hitting tab all the time or whatever.
< 1305652671 281326 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: Never. Ever.
< 1305652716 378792 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the regular tab key?
< 1305652717 534554 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: Dude, elliott_ is a bot.
< 1305652743 940428 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What "regular tab key"?
< 1305652745 349487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all it does is listen to conversation by the actual elliott and relay back and forth
< 1305652750 394897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is an auto-indenting editor.
< 1305652760 998486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: M-x tab-to-tab-stop, if you really happen to need it for whatever reason
< 1305652762 315147 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The need to insert a literal tab character ever is... zero.
< 1305652765 657864 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yeah i was starting to suspect that
< 1305652771 60231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare that you do, though
< 1305652780 23717 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i come to this channel elliott_ is going on about something
< 1305652784 437181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C-q C-h if you need a literal tab character for whatever reason
< 1305652794 923665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say in a string constant in Underload)
< 1305652808 80649 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: Yes, I do indeed talk a lot when others are talking.
< 1305652814 235942 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes this is referred to as conversation.
< 1305652818 675492 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMETIMES
< 1305652820 549638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell, you scroll the help buffer with space and delete?
< 1305652828 544871 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or C-q  if you want a literal tab...
< 1305652835 543297 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, you scroll the help help with space and delete.
< 1305652841 341078 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because the help help is a freaky transient buffer thing.
< 1305652846 207458 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe it wasn't meant as a bad thing, you keep the channel active like a 500+ channel ^^
< 1305652848 510408 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're only going to need to do it once in your life, so :P
< 1305652851 869344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, C-h is a literal tab, in theory the tab button might be bound to something else
< 1305652862 963024 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: The power of flamewars!
< 1305652870 108290 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha
< 1305652876 962860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I've done it more than once, I don't use C-h all that often so sometimes I need documentation for it
< 1305652885 813207 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: I'm actually like five people working in tandem, true story.
< 1305652886 850049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  perhaps you memorize things faster than me. I think I'll be referring to it a lot for a while.
< 1305652893 42461 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit you already responded to that message elliott three.
< 1305652902 42685 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut the fuck up, elliott one.
< 1305652909 118912 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I was here before you. I could change the password right now.
< 1305652911 67401 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't.
< 1305652911 979045 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would.
< 1305652914 36679 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I will.
< 1305652919 160293 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it, god dammit, okay, I
< 1305652925 841053 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm chaanging it
< 1305652930 670684 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PART #esoteric :"oAISJDflkhfgjf"
< 1305652955 622861 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever i have started, i'm so sorry :D
< 1305653014 340771 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like I'll want to know C-h [acdF]
< 1305653028 483594 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but hey, C-h C-m gives me information on how to order printed Emacs manuals. awesome!!
< 1305653042 805402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-h a and C-h c are probably the most useful in practice
< 1305653075 964218 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305653080 898825 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott One is no longer with us.
< 1305653086 361938 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funeral service after the rapture.
< 1305653090 340518 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal service will now continue.
< 1305653108 750421 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1305653110 591042 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the "kill buffer" command?
< 1305653131 131347 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: C-x C-k 
< 1305653132 440135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x k
< 1305653139 715526 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right no C- on the k
< 1305653141 880607 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it works with it)
< 1305653145 924095 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1305653147 32995 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't
< 1305653153 826427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does C-x C-k do?
< 1305653163 738962 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a prefix.
< 1305653174 7858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most buffer manipulation commands don't have a C- on their second key
< 1305653217 128371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind, that's apparently not what I wanted. I want to get rid of the second pane that appeared after I used C-h ? and pressed some buttons that turned it into a non-transient thing....
< 1305653230 376170 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lulz...)
< 1305653237 966830 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest panicking
< 1305653328 213418 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :staring at my emacs window stupidly seems like a better solution...
< 1305653331 422104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: C-x 0 removes a pane, or C-x 1 removes all panes but the current one
< 1305653345 604030 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeah.
< 1305653346 850308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffers and panes exist more or less independently, except that each pane only shows one buffer at a time
< 1305653374 621757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally, you just let buffers accumulate rather than actually killing them, but just show the ones you're using at the moment onscreen
< 1305653379 353183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like, a systematic way I can learn about all of these commands? Like, are they grouped in any kind of way in the help?
< 1305653386 611777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
< 1305653394 759033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tutorial somewhere, but I'm not sure how useful it would be
< 1305653400 845551 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : generally, you just let buffers accumulate rather than actually killing them, but just show the ones you're using at the moment onscreen
< 1305653404 729422 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kill buffers quite often
< 1305653415 106445 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think rarely killing buffers is idiosyncratic
< 1305653445 83201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, you have garbage collection sweeps now and again, that's what M-x kill-some-buffers is for
< 1305653453 613428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I generally have one Emacs session per project
< 1305653456 380015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm working on
< 1305653468 487079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so normally it's rare to kill buffers as irrelevant, unless they're things like compilation output
< 1305654448 28911 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey c-h c-h does the same thing as c-h ?
< 1305654780 220217 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:24:09:  How to make a tasty deep-fried treat: 1) Buy ingredients: Large vat of boiling oil, dry ice and a small Filipino boy. 2) Place Filipino boy in dry ice until frozen solid. 3) Shatter now-frozen Filipino boy into boiling oil. 4) Wait fifteen minutes, drain and enjoy!
< 1305654959 533472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the weirdest boner right now.
< 1305654973 397379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305655873 95665 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  How to make a tasty deep-fried treat: 1) Buy ingredients: Large vat of boiling oil, dry ice and a small Filipino boy. 2) Place Filipino boy in dry ice until frozen solid. 3) Shatter now-frozen Filipino boy into boiling oil. 4) Wait fifteen minutes, drain and enjoy!   I have the weirdest boner right now.
< 1305655874 400577 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​425)  How to make a tasty deep-fried treat: 1) Buy ingredients: Large vat of boiling oil, dry ice and a small Filipino boy. 2) Place Filipino boy in dry ice until frozen solid. 3) Shatter now-frozen Filipino boy into boiling oil. 4) Wait fifteen minutes, drain and enjoy!   I have the weirdest boner right now.
< 1305655891 1339 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right, elliott_ gets no credit.
< 1305655907 452830 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GROSS INACCURACY
< 1305655916 21270 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you used two spaces to separate messages so I'll allow it.
< 1305656233 917815 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain hurts. too much emacs documentation.
< 1305656256 82624 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already reading about mark rings, search rings, and registers.
< 1305656276 990316 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are "windows", not "panes". (And what you might call a "window" elsewhere is a "frame" instead.)
< 1305656848 213984 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1305657171 172760 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're a window in the ass
< 1305657878 899670 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What context is this?
< 1305657896 795193 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In US vernacular, the whole contraption is a window, and it consists of a frame and one or more panes.
< 1305657910 859074 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More usually called "windowpanes")
< 1305657933 379089 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The context of Emacs.
< 1305657943 619464 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305657953 925385 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the real world ;P
< 1305657961 151367 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's that?"
< 1305658012 216354 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland, they look out of frames (composed of multiple windows).
< 1305658177 774472 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that sad me: In Scheme, (min) is invalid, rather than equal to positive infinity.
< 1305658181 539129 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Similarly for (max) and negative infinity.)
< 1305658524 896337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, what's the thing to make ratios in Scheme? It isn't /
< 1305658537 729155 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's /.
< 1305658538 733111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it's just Chicken Scheme
< 1305658539 655035 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/9
< 1305658545 455675 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean Scheme or Racket?
< 1305658552 852130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme, but Chicken Scheme
< 1305658555 309067 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you changed languages AGAIN in the past day?
< 1305658557 773679 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGH
< 1305658582 99843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I change languages a lot, but I'm not looking for a One True Language because I doubt it exists
< 1305658593 877899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking to either use something appropriate for programming, or to have fun
< 1305658617 546707 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is a reason I am talking to Sgeo, and not you.
< 1305658623 834332 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously my statements don't apply to you.
< 1305658639 321085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's more a case of, if your statements aren't generally applicable they're less convincing
< 1305658646 538475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a case of "why does that argument apply to me but not him"?
< 1305658659 470548 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Chicken's "default" numeric tower is just machine-sized integers and floats; there's a (GMP-based) extension that gives it more "Scheme-like" numbers.
< 1305658670 869462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1305658671 920655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose I shouldn't even try to be convinced by arguments that aren't aimed at me
< 1305658675 522280 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Thankfully I'm not trying to convince anyone!
< 1305658679 55716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not even Sgeo.
< 1305658685 295403 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, the "SIGH" indicates that I am simply despairing.
< 1305658695 263763 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have long ago realised that convincing Sgeo of anything is impossible.
< 1305658745 171486 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Timwi appears to have given up the skin tack and is now just acting how to contact Graue, despite having already asked me and receiving a response...
< 1305658756 147588 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, he wants me to unprotect MediaWiki:Common.css
< 1305658763 401298 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that, so I feel I should forward it on to you, so you can decide not to do it
< 1305658770 952471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: don't worry, I can't do it either
< 1305658788 307243 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION logs in to reply
< 1305658790 442779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page is protected directly at the PHP level
< 1305658818 347170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a mistake editing it can make the entire wiki unworkable
< 1305658822 365440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I got "too many unprocessed floats" from tex
< 1305658831 221872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that before
< 1305658837 356781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial to fix however, adding a clearpage
< 1305658900 810886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the equivalent of "typesetting", but for layout on a page rather than fonts?
< 1305658915 238833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :layoutsetting maybe?
< 1305658922 8334 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Typesetting involves layout too.
< 1305658925 783869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's a real word
< 1305658927 299966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ah
< 1305658927 565532 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you mean what things like InDesign do, right?
< 1305658932 585412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word for just the layout portion?
< 1305658939 562767 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... what you do when you're "desktop publishing".
< 1305658940 796957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like TeX as opposed to Metafont
< 1305658942 834467 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a word, but I've forgotten it.
< 1305658953 213516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PageMakering." :p
< 1305658953 294630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I know, and I've forgotten it too
< 1305658956 263688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what if you do layout without using a computer
< 1305658961 499979 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PageMakering. Perfect[exclamation mark]
< 1305658971 127211 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like I said, it's what you do when you're desktop publishing.
< 1305658972 264149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to PageMaker?
< 1305658988 14831 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discontinued, it seems.
< 1305658996 366644 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :InDesign is the new thing.
< 1305658999 163302 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1305659002 851917 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The upmarket thing.
< 1305659003 265616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm. But doesn't desktop publishing involve a computer
< 1305659007 466482 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2004, Adobe announced that development for Adobe PageMaker had ceased but that Adobe would continue to sell and support it. InDesign was presented as the successor product.[11] Upgrades from PageMaker to InDesign 2.0 and (after the release of InDesign CS) a "PageMaker Plug-in Pack" were offered, containing PageMaker-specific features and help topics, complimentary Myriad Pro fonts and templates.
< 1305659009 497251 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the new thing.
< 1305659021 120140 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What I said is in no way implying that desktop publishing is the ONLY way to do that thing.
< 1305659030 304584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what about that other one, Quark Express or something?
< 1305659039 543783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was Quark, Qark maybe?
< 1305659049 700348 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuarkXPress.
< 1305659057 825309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305659061 961017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, is that one dead?
< 1305659062 204954 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's just "layout [creation/etc.]"
< 1305659070 29419 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=quark+express&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
< 1305659070 111439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps
< 1305659082 22444 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was freakish and bizarre.
< 1305659096 595128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not finish my linear algebra homework. *But*, I got an almost-perfect grade on it.
< 1305659104 150130 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_layout seems to be talking about the thing, but doesn't seem to contain any particular word for it.
< 1305659119 165303 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call it "layoutificatifiing".
< 1305659121 767169 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to annoy ais523.
< 1305659122 146103 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to complain.
< 1305659129 815402 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :("deals with the arrangement and style treatment of elements (content) on a page".)
< 1305659163 725888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the weird blueish kind-of-category thing in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuarkXPress lists LyX as DTP
< 1305659174 153940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scribus yes, but not really Lyx
< 1305659176 895532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyX*
< 1305659193 308518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyx is just a GUI for working with latex
< 1305659200 525804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh my dear God, someone actually outdid JSMIPS.
< 1305659200 694636 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is DTP.
< 1305659211 242973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes but LaTeX is not listed there
< 1305659213 338586 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: welcome to earlier today
< 1305659215 399482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it weren't Fabrice Bellard, I'd imagine you'd be horribly depressed.
< 1305659218 67819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nor is texmacs
< 1305659219 227345 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, DTP is WYSIWYG.
< 1305659225 17862 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, yes, I had a final. Shaddup.
< 1305659225 466709 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So LaTeX is not really standard DTP.
< 1305659226 812525 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But LyX is.
< 1305659230 370439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305659236 210026 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXmacs is a semantic tool.
< 1305659238 478587 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is not really DTP.
< 1305659243 295350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, LyX is not really about layout, it is more about semantics too
< 1305659243 736122 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can't really do much layout at all apart from separately...
< 1305659246 273516 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not WYSIWYG.
< 1305659251 529166 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but you can style it more directly than TeXmacs.
< 1305659255 582312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm okay
< 1305659258 765909 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyX officially is WYSIWYM.
< 1305659261 530299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well yeah I can insert raw latex
< 1305659263 349749 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway TeXmacs is less popular, so.
< 1305659284 104934 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Translation: "What you see isn't what you get because our rendering sucks" :-)
< 1305659295 647964 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXmacs is actually quite close to WYSIWYG in a literal sense.
< 1305659297 159041 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No, it's the paradigm!
< 1305659303 742328 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PARADIIIIIGM
< 1305659310 910464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I mean, the only layout this document I'm writing atm has is a clearpage, and only because latex bugged out on too many unprocessed floats halfway
< 1305659315 92587 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "    I’m pretty sure ais523 would get tired of that very quickly. I’ll try e-mailing Graue. Thanks! — Timwi 19:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)"
< 1305659329 386446 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, why on earth would Timwi want to edit the stylesheet on a regular basis?
< 1305659331 984867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Translation: "What you see isn't what you get because our rendering sucks" :-) <-- actually that's a feature
< 1305659337 295654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I quite like it that way
< 1305659346 734204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I get a font that works better for the screen there
< 1305659356 607279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another one that works better for print when I generate the pdf
< 1305659363 598555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I quite like it this way
< 1305659393 352622 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN HAS FINISHED SEMESTER
< 1305659416 43233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, err in English semester is the opposite of holidays right?
< 1305659431 237644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not exactly
< 1305659432 929653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in Swedish semester = long holiday (like summer break).
< 1305659440 430192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :University terms are divided into semesters
< 1305659441 86532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the English sense always confuse me
< 1305659446 975795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, in that semesters and holidays don't coexist
< 1305659461 778739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and it can also be that you go on a vacation - "åka på semester"
< 1305659468 613998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In most contexts, a "semester" is a division of the school year.
< 1305659477 26453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to add to the confusion, a semester can persist across parts of multiple terms, e.g. at Birmingham University, a semester is one term, plus one week of another term)
< 1305659483 851716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, in Sweden it means either long summer break or vacation
< 1305659520 500990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WYSIWYG is impossible nowadays, because not all printers are identical
< 1305659531 694740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And a long summer break is precisely what a semester isn't in English.
< 1305659538 146506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's even worse if designing for screen
< 1305659538 228586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh right we have "läsperioder" (study periods, though literally "readingperiods"), 4 per year. One ends one week after xmas holidays end yes
< 1305659543 424273 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "desktop publishing software" template-portal-whatever-those-are-called is a bit weird anyway; they list "PDF-XChange", which is primarily just a PDF viewer, with some kludgy support for changing/adding text and splanting in new images on top of existing content.
< 1305659554 701128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A reasonable approximation is *doable*, though.
< 1305659558 849783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that sounds much like UK "semester", though
< 1305659562 532676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: on paper, yes
< 1305659568 83158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on screen, it's a really bad idea
< 1305659575 214693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: And a long summer break is precisely what a semester isn't in English. <-- exactly, that utterly confuses me
< 1305659581 331234 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PNGs are pretty consistent
< 1305659582 825973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as everyone who does that ends up with something that doesn't reflow and normally has a horizontal scrollbar
< 1305659583 824700 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to gamma
< 1305659586 826631 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can't even delete/move/insert pages without buying the PRO version.)
< 1305659591 32067 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that only applies to HTML
< 1305659594 215964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On screen, either accept that you're displaying an imitation of paper on screen, or give up.
< 1305659602 394395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "splanting"?
< 1305659609 972759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: PNGs aren't exactly designing for screen
< 1305659613 877455 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Inserting.
< 1305659617 845149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305659621 317422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they don't have the same res as the screen, they may well need a horizontal scrollbar too
< 1305659625 50404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is "splanting" a real word?
< 1305659625 202371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflowing is generally just /better/
< 1305659643 590990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: PNGs are pretty consistent <-- not without an ICC profile
< 1305659654 180326 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No.
< 1305659657 599282 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He did specify "modulo gamma".
< 1305659658 948528 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like most of the C- keys in emacs are kind of.. archaic.
< 1305659663 199382 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a few.
< 1305659683 705453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, emacs is a fairly archaic editor.
< 1305659696 124037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ICC is more than just plain gamma value. It contains primaries and so on too
< 1305659707 588168 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a lot of the useful stuff is tucked away in C-x
< 1305659738 153293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C- keys are mostly stuff you use all the time if you don't have arrow or navigation keys on your keyboards
< 1305659756 67083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, say, C-a is much easier to press than Home on a typical keyboard, with the result that I use it in all sorts of programs nowadays
< 1305659761 775434 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do people not have those?
< 1305659771 239821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, they didn't use to I guess
< 1305659780 844926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, but they're tiny and stuck round the edges of my laptop, as there isn't really room for them
< 1305659783 631821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Those existing is a relatively modern thing.
< 1305659785 306571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, anyway you can customise key bindings fairly easily in your ~/.emacs
< 1305659785 897442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a pain to find in the dark
< 1305659786 769437 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I mean, like... why not change that instead of keeping it that way?
< 1305659789 546170 :Mannerisk!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305659796 468711 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi was *also* designed with that in mind.
< 1305659801 358281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kcab
< 1305659832 174896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi and Emacs aren't too different; the major difference is that vi Esc and i map to Emacs hold ctrl and release ctrl
< 1305659840 90249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc all the other keybindings are different too
< 1305659844 124868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the major difference in principle
< 1305659865 703125 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, Emacs is pretty universally extensible.
< 1305659880 204376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also vi isn't really scriptable. Sure vim is, but vi is not vim
< 1305659887 964206 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even TECO Emacs was extensible.
< 1305659898 10785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: sometimes that's a bad thing; I was once given a CGI script written in elisp
< 1305659902 586075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to work out
< 1305659904 384933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, awesome
< 1305659909 759361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also, by who?
< 1305659911 962235 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's both an advantage and a disadvantage.
< 1305659915 260168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When using emacs on a terminal over ssh, I use C-e instead of End because end doesn't work
< 1305659918 614839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end, I rewrote it as a standalone program in Perl, given that it had no reason to be written in elisp and no reason to be a CGI script
< 1305659921 551602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and at work
< 1305659933 47922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, uh. Presumably your terminal emulator locally sucks then
< 1305659939 210371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used end key in various places over ssh
< 1305659943 662008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse still, it required manual intervention to run properly
< 1305659946 376693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no issues
< 1305659949 299413 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Either that or the remote end's termcap sucks.
< 1305659951 355048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, run the script, change the script, run the script, change the script, etc
< 1305659961 824631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, waaaat
< 1305659981 351656 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo:  you can use emacs in a terminal?
< 1305659983 493172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJGPP Emacs seems to parse End as meaning M-> rather than C-e
< 1305659987 995657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, end of document, not end of line
< 1305659992 591389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, isn't that the normal way to use it?
< 1305659997 760042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you can, emacs -nw
< 1305660018 500541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it loads like that by default if it doesn't have access to anything that would let it draw a window, as is commonly the case over telnet or ssh without -X
< 1305660022 21891 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305660036 374675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, the X support is fairly recent. Not more than a few decades old
< 1305660036 939873 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see...
< 1305660049 807806 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at most)
< 1305660051 829610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  CakeProphet, the X support is fairly recent. Not more than a few decades old
< 1305660053 506318 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​426)  CakeProphet, the X support is fairly recent. Not more than a few decades old
< 1305660065 22839 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Emacs is 35 years old.
< 1305660067 15435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay yeah that was slightly silly
< 1305660079 60517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ooh anniversary
< 1305660082 780882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Emacs generally, or GNU Emacs?
< 1305660086 550640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that rounded?
< 1305660088 122893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that X11 is only a little more than two decades old...
< 1305660096 32511 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it loads like that if it doesn't have access to anything that would let it draw a graphical frame. When in Emacs, speak as the... eumuchs do?
< 1305660098 477774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, newfangled stuff
< 1305660110 825827 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I interpret "recent" to be a completely different thing in the context of computing.
< 1305660114 754803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but you're not /in/ Emacs, as you're loading it
< 1305660119 218304 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's counting from the first functioning TECO Emacs.
< 1305660123 680842 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but saying "X support is fairly recent" should imply it's recent compared to X :-P
< 1305660126 485788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1305660127 539417 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But it's Emacs that's doing the loading-of-itself.
< 1305660136 801539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, ah
< 1305660149 725618 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, now that I know I can use emacs in telnet, I no longer have an excuse to use pico. :)
< 1305660151 227831 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GNU* Emacs is 26 years old.
< 1305660164 482613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1305660167 422447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm surprised that it was gnuised after only 9 years
< 1305660168 593194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so older than X?
< 1305660175 850435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was pretty much the first thing GNU did
< 1305660204 27527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you guys have any recommendations for my .emacs?
< 1305660220 194171 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend a file, as opposed to, say, a pipe.
< 1305660223 299767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The X Windowing System is older by a couple of years.
< 1305660227 889432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting thought experiment. Figure out what will happen to various organisations when their leading figure retires.
< 1305660238 204728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: What will happen to GNU when RMS retires or dies.
< 1305660238 952703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X11 is younger by a year.
< 1305660254 742126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: (load-file "/home/ais523/esoteric/intercal/ick-0.27/etc/intercal.el") (load-file "/home/ais523/esoteric/esolangs.el") (esolangs-recognize-extensions)
< 1305660258 937923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will survive probably. Apple without Steve Jobs is less certain
< 1305660268 663371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux without Linus Torvalds? Chaos or?
< 1305660278 706350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would have the final word and so on
< 1305660281 162078 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU without RMS? Probably not a hell of a lot different.
< 1305660284 262664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: note that you'll either have to create a user account for me on your computer, or else change the paths
< 1305660295 516847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, indeed
< 1305660299 231516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a directory in /home without an account.
< 1305660307 113986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, the other two examples would be more interesting
< 1305660312 201717 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know where I can get those files?
< 1305660318 746029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more seriously, (global-font-lock-mode 1) is a nice option, as is (setq visible-bell t)
< 1305660328 855029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: they were on pastebin.ca, which is down now
< 1305660334 897935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal.el should be easy enough to find, at least
< 1305660336 902970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a moment
< 1305660337 450537 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sprunge them
< 1305660357 377838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, so what about Apple without Jobs or Linux without Torvals?
< 1305660359 753364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valds*
< 1305660361 401693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305660363 499317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torvalds*
< 1305660386 251508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gitorious.org/intercal/intercal/blobs/raw/6a0c3bba084cf42972f43dcd2f92b83f3e81c3ae/intercal.el
< 1305660396 307048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux without Torvalds would probably devolve unto the maintainer of one of the major subsystems.
< 1305660404 436499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah
< 1305660407 180919 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple without Jobs would do about as well as Apple did without Jobs in the 90s.
< 1305660415 272298 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to say, "be totally fucked".
< 1305660415 480163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you mean badly?
< 1305660418 358957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305660434 368600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_,  further ones: Perl without Larry Wall, Python without Guido van Rossum (spelling?), OpenBSD without Theo de Radt (spelling?)
< 1305660438 303409 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: "Version 13, the first public release, was made on March 20, 1985. The first widely distributed version of GNU Emacs was 15.34, which appeared later in 1985. Versions 2 to 12 never existed. Earlier versions of GNU Emacs had been numbered "1.x.x", but sometime after version 1.12 the decision was made to drop the "1", as it was thought the major number would never change."
< 1305660438 714480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  more interested in the esolangs one, actually. but I'll add this one too.
< 1305660452 635446 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fucked, fucked, fucked, IMO.
< 1305660456 779765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolangs one is a little unfinished, let me sprunge it
< 1305660473 946492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right.
< 1305660491 832913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, freebsd has a board of trustees or something like that right?
< 1305660501 565360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, FreeBSD doesn't do the benevolent dictator bit.
< 1305660510 603338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what about NetBSD?
< 1305660515 68083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is fucked already
< 1305660522 603537 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is one of the few projects with a benevolent dictator with a lot of structure *besides* that, making filling that gap pretty easy.
< 1305660547 860425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Perl existing with Larry Wall in its current state, since it's a pretty useful language. However, new incarnations of Perl may be fucked... since that's basically what is happening to Perl 6.
< 1305660554 108025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD has a Board of Directors.
< 1305660558 25644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305660591 633000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other projects risk dying?
< 1305660605 758836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :major ones I mean
< 1305660611 567470 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia without Jimbo!  (just kidding)
< 1305660622 558595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... I think they would survive quite the same
< 1305660639 485970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Ubuntu without Mark Shuttleworth (sp?)
< 1305660654 290884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though in that case it is lack of money
< 1305660659 816493 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? Jimmy Wales makes every single edit to Wikipedia. He even pretends to be multiple users on talk pages.
< 1305660662 288332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu without Mark Shuttleworth would change drastically. He bankrolls the whole thing.
< 1305660671 414391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right
< 1305660697 250408 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so, Ubuntu users, do you guys actually use the new Unity crap?
< 1305660704 124033 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched it off.
< 1305660713 760146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I use 10.04. Long term support.
< 1305660715 13735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305660715 94823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I haven't upgraded to a version that has it
< 1305660725 329978 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. nevermind then. well
< 1305660725 847284 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware would literally stop without Volkerding.
< 1305660738 402110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, interesting family name
< 1305660738 827157 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He isn't the benevolent dictator, he is the sole developer.
< 1305660739 747865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305660749 526297 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest release has this horrid new Mac-like interface. Kill it when you encounter it.
< 1305660752 214128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right, I guess no one else would step up
< 1305660799 963022 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if someone actually *did* step up, it'd keep going just fine. Slackware's set up such that it only really takes a single person to manage it.
< 1305660826 419142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, that must be a smart setup, how does it work?
< 1305660859 762200 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Mozilla without the lizard?
< 1305660877 386867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh lyx 2.0 released
< 1305660882 996395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a big jump in version number
< 1305660886 340023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what changed
< 1305660890 875936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305660892 383631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice one
< 1305660906 435137 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I presume they have some sort of Allosaurus-style setup at Mozilla.)
< 1305660911 584307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyX 1.6.10 released. (May 9, 2011)
< 1305660911 665356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyX 2.0.0 released. (May 8, 2011)
< 1305660916 40785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :these guys
< 1305660923 187181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305660923 654424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :take stable support seriously
< 1305660931 413421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1305660948 688226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like distros in a bit
< 1305660962 167992 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-237-130.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305660979 512649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just a very, very simple UNIXy setup. Each package has a shell script that builds it and creates a .txz. All packages are unpatched.
< 1305660999 419195 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the time, to make a new release he just needs to bump versions, build, test, release.
< 1305661011 565021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, no patches anywhere? Really hm
< 1305661019 309469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sorry, not "all".
< 1305661021 930116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Almost all".
< 1305661025 105899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305661036 102358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, some stuff will simply need patching
< 1305661048 861954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I remember slackware didn't patch icons and so on
< 1305661052 935733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does arch of course
< 1305661083 129243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX20/#advsearch <-- this looks quite interesting
< 1305661091 27786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much "clever" as it is "supremely lazy".
< 1305661109 516068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :serching with regexp and formatting and what not
< 1305661120 343276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh and FINALLY spell check on the fly
< 1305661192 456542 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the new-feature overview, LyX 2.0 doesn't sound *that* much like a radical change. (But of course they have to bump up the major version number at some point, and certainly there's quite a large number of them small-ish changes.)
< 1305661235 753993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think there are internal architectural changes too
< 1305661257 839429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also new backends
< 1305661285 855785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: http://sprunge.us/AQhd is esolangs.el (usable but still unfinished)
< 1305661304 362469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, of course since iirc xetex doesn't support microtyping yet I think I'll stick with pdflatex for the time being
< 1305661676 170620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305661684 360698 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although, say, C-a is much easier to press than Home on a typical keyboard, with the result that I use it in all sorts of programs nowadays
< 1305661687 165323 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-a/C-e are great
< 1305661703 252260 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, I'm now convinced that Timwi doesn't know what minor edits are for
< 1305661705 590902 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . m Talk:Main Page‎; 19:08 . . (+170) . . Timwi (Talk | contribs)
< 1305661707 908806 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's adding a whole comment
< 1305661720 621983 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  thank you very much. :)
< 1305661722 165593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest one would be C-j
< 1305661726 734172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz it uses both hands
< 1305661729 138948 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what did he answer?
< 1305661739 243382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: pretty much no chord uses both hands for me
< 1305661750 479283 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, esolangs.el
< 1305661752 248038 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useless :P
< 1305661752 919156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type pretty much any single chord one-handed unless it's physically impossible
< 1305661772 270593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using both hands only for the purpose of typing faster as each can cover a different area of the keyboard
< 1305661789 901808 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you type C-j like that?
< 1305661792 53108 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gotten into the habit of using specific keys
< 1305661805 206775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i need my chords to be reasonable on both a netbook keyboard and a regular keyboard, so two-handed chords are frequently requiring of less contortion
< 1305661810 991441 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :left control, right shift, left alt (although my right alt is actually an alt-gr, so that's necessarily)
< 1305661833 79718 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing doesn't even have right control
< 1305661838 464433 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305661842 118723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my right alt is compose
< 1305661865 191468 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my right alt is technically induces dead keys rather than being compose
< 1305661868 342831 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:16:26:  that's what I mean, like... why not change that instead of keeping it that way?
< 1305661868 657329 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the same principle
< 1305661871 889747 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and break people's muscle memory?
< 1305661873 431638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't type normally so I can't do right-handed combinations very well. I have to use both hands for those.
< 1305661887 219744 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a hunt-and-pecker?
< 1305661887 607139 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're _meant_ to use both hands to chord
< 1305661904 83929 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:17:12:  vi and Emacs aren't too different; the major difference is that vi Esc and i map to Emacs hold ctrl and release ctrl
< 1305661908 76694 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: they're breaking muscle memory either way, because I have tons of muscle memory from every other text editor I've encountered that doesn't apply to emacs.
< 1305661910 227678 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that, using vi like that is a misuse
< 1305661923 868205 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You're not an Emacs user (before now), so they have no responsibility to you as far as muscle memory goes.
< 1305661928 835007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: actually, no it isn't
< 1305661932 876514 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying your users is generally a bad idea.
< 1305661933 785674 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro:  not really. I just memorize how to type words, pretty much
< 1305661938 982146 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes it is, in the sense that it's inefficient and vi users will laugh at you.
< 1305661941 331922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't go into insert mode when you're moving the cursor around, etc
< 1305661949 784164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you don't generally let go of control when you're moving the cursor around
< 1305661951 235134 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type each word a partiulcar way. I mainly stick to my index and middle finger while typing but I keep pretty good typing speeds.
< 1305662000 181056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you type partiulcar?
< 1305662009 764110 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..good one. :P
< 1305662039 350367 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:19:41:  Sgeo: you can use emacs in a terminal?
< 1305662040 505726 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:19:52:  CakeProphet, isn't that the normal way to use it?
< 1305662042 587742 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no it's not
< 1305662044 531946 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually re-typing partiulcar requires a little more thought and slows down my typing speed.
< 1305662052 515956 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a perfectly accepted way but by no means the most common)
< 1305662058 211200 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least only counting local use)
< 1305662124 575014 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads Vorpal seriously wonder whether Apple will survive without Steve Jobs.
< 1305662139 135879 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a tremendously profitable and popular company with an immense brand identity will collapse because its CEO dies.
< 1305662152 287858 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shareholders will just say "well, guess that's over then" go home.
< 1305662184 376477 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25:28:  CakeProphet: they were on pastebin.ca, which is down now
< 1305662186 226261 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :false
< 1305662187 440885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it'll probably lose a huge chunk of its stock price if Jobs leave, not because the company is necessarily doomed but because shareholders are ridiculous
< 1305662190 358757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's back up again?
< 1305662195 949193 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads elliott comment and dissect on everything that was said recently and not-so-recently. 
< 1305662203 800973 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads this line.
< 1305662206 941588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it is as well
< 1305662209 752366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1305662234 494314 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:27:14:  pikhq_, further ones: Perl without Larry Wall, Python without Guido van Rossum (spelling?), OpenBSD without Theo de Radt (spelling?)
< 1305662241 964730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other slepp.ca sites seem down, though
< 1305662245 682187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.lyx.org/uploads/LyX/NewInLyX20/themes.png <-- a lot of the icons in the new themes don't really work well
< 1305662249 984400 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python will survive, it's too boring to die
< 1305662257 353391 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just add more bearocracy
< 1305662260 592961 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruled by grizzlies
< 1305662261 364309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hah
< 1305662274 209966 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD might die, but OpenSSH won't
< 1305662282 742358 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl won't die because... corporations, dude
< 1305662291 537504 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveState aren't going to let Perl di
< 1305662292 214264 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1305662295 213267 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they make money off it
< 1305662298 518843 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305662307 842256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you know what happened to Apple during the 90s
< 1305662308 163403 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same goes for every company with software written in Perl, just indirectly
< 1305662316 224612 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yah, they had a lull.
< 1305662335 645040 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It wasn't so much that Jobs was a genius as whoeveritwas was an idiot.
< 1305662383 627137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1305662411 664805 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:28:42:  Linux is one of the few projects with a benevolent dictator with a lot of structure *besides* that, making filling that gap pretty easy.
< 1305662417 631363 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux development has a lot of structure?
< 1305662420 903278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1305662425 944607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, of course
< 1305662427 551568 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about that.
< 1305662430 880666 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Informal structure, yes.
< 1305662436 568696 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Formal, not so much.
< 1305662436 675728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think part of the reason git was invented was so that its development process could work
< 1305662450 545203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a lot of people with their own repos accepting certain sorts of patches, which Linus pulls from and does the final approval
< 1305662461 783829 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's hardly structure.
< 1305662466 194541 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more lack of structure.
< 1305662477 231582 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of people do things and then Linus (the dictator) decides to pull them in.
< 1305662488 18802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: compare it to, say, the NetHack devteam, or C-INTERCAL's development
< 1305662490 161565 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, some people get flamed less and flame more on the mailing list, because they've been there a long time.
< 1305662493 710181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus isn't pulling patches from the general public
< 1305662498 322475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the latter is one person?
< 1305662502 808458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's pulling it from other people who pull patches from other people
< 1305662506 160199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: technically two, nowadays
< 1305662508 392096 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's one person and one idiot. :P
< 1305662511 878606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1305662513 278577 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but he's not pulling patches from a preset group of people.
< 1305662518 407216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is, I thought
< 1305662520 323703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about esr
< 1305662524 106818 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What you're describing to me is a /lack/ of structure.
< 1305662526 797631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are pulling from preset groups too
< 1305662532 103269 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not /dev/random, but there's no hierarchy.
< 1305662540 542280 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all basically the whim of Linus in the end.
< 1305662553 152319 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how Linux would survive with its current structure if Linus died or stepped down.
< 1305662557 115000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, an amazingly good whim so far
< 1305662573 770918 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either someone else would step up -- very unlikely, it's a lot of work etc.
< 1305662577 557326 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it'd get more formal.
< 1305662583 929783 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(think Linux Foundation)
< 1305662604 181217 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an organisation that exists to give Torvalds a paycheck)
< 1305662608 68007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, Allan Cox or someone like that could step up.
< 1305662631 908971 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The subsystem maintainers actually have a large portion of the workload. I suspect that one of them would reasonably step up, and it'd only be a question of which one.
< 1305662645 641993 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I dunno about that -- Wikipedia'd for THE UPPER HAND IN THE ARGUMENT -- "On 28 July 2009, Cox walked away from the TTY layer, which he still maintained, after receiving criticism from Torvalds.[2][3]"
< 1305662650 654599 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem like a good dictator ;)
< 1305662652 811268 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: a sentient AI created by Torvalds could step up.
< 1305662653 84131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305662658 206971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: elliott_ doesn't believe there are subsystem maintainers, even though I've tried to tell him at least three times
< 1305662662 298527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well okay, Andrew Morton then
< 1305662666 158130 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know there are subsystem maintainers.
< 1305662670 128992 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And no, I don't see you telling me that.)
< 1305662675 201463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, it has hardly any *formal* structure. Just a lot of informal structure.
< 1305662676 405277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do you keep ignoring me when I say there are?
< 1305662682 748966 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Because you haven't been saying that.
< 1305662695 390983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said Linus pulls from a set group of people
< 1305662697 748759 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You might /think/ you've been saying that.)
< 1305662707 60876 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep, but that's way too vague to count.
< 1305662715 879395 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were trying to make that point you should have just made it directly...
< 1305662715 961274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1305662724 545279 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'd say sentient AI is the best hope for the survival of future Linux.
< 1305662735 123619 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305662748 970575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, what's next? Torvalds brain in a jar?
< 1305662751 716245 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :have Linux maintained by AI of course.
< 1305662758 23940 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an AI has better things to do
< 1305662759 399612 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1305662765 340248 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's get a spam filter to accept or reject linux patches
< 1305662769 966831 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on all of linus' decisions
< 1305662794 784222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I kind of doubt that would work well, but it would be an interesting experiment
< 1305662798 641680 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam filter? What about the Nigerian developers?
< 1305662800 748267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see how well it coincides
< 1305662809 874643 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, Linus is not a major developer on Linux. He's the guy merging in git branches. This structure is not really too hard to maintain with the existence of other people who would be trusted in that same position.
< 1305662814 428517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, he meant bayesian filter
< 1305662814 631343 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of selecting one.
< 1305662839 304240 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...tough crowd.
< 1305662873 202544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also linux wouldn't fail. You said too many depend on Perl. Well even more so for linux
< 1305662874 123287 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wah wah WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
< 1305662879 39129 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I never said it would fail.
< 1305662883 417690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305662889 426011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: would you really want Bayes in charge of Linux development, given how it acted in Agora?
< 1305662892 308914 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that it doesn't have the kind of structure that Linus could just disappear and it'd all tick fine with not much of a change.
< 1305662901 659166 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you suggesting that Bayes acted anything other than wonderfully?
< 1305662903 260106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ooh tell me about this
< 1305662910 156217 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Me and comex wrote a bot to play Agora.
< 1305662911 281352 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was awesome.
< 1305662915 466060 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used SpamBayes to vote on proposals.
< 1305662920 276603 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It played the AAA with brute-force.
< 1305662920 881642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, heh
< 1305662921 424666 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end.
< 1305662927 262074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAA?
< 1305662931 585745 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agoran Agricultural Association.
< 1305662937 979322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also spambayes is "meh"
< 1305662940 819908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It played optimally, which saved me the effort of working out how to play myself.
< 1305662945 205592 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Who cares, it's Python.
< 1305662948 580430 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the important thing. :p
< 1305662950 225227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305662953 47022 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't "import spamassassin".
< 1305662961 549288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how can you brute force AAA?
< 1305662965 779838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they had to take the author names off all the data they fed to it
< 1305662969 469741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does AAA work
< 1305662973 677357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it just rejected everything by comex
< 1305662975 933099 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes; otherwise it did too well.
< 1305662981 425937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh?
< 1305662989 314945 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AAA is gone now and I never understood it, so.
< 1305663007 217606 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, it also made its own proposals.
< 1305663011 441876 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With a Markov chain of accepted proposals.
< 1305663019 207526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1305663022 341212 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think one ever got adopted.
< 1305663028 110935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed
< 1305663034 24585 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1305663039 204936 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bayes was awesome, makes me wish partnerships still existed
< 1305663048 569433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway how did you decide which ones were ham and which ones were spam when training it
< 1305663056 982494 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305663063 699025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partnerships were pretty awesome.
< 1305663064 133897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which ones passed and which ones failed
< 1305663077 781900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/the-agoran-agricultural-association
< 1305663080 56669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, do you gain something from voting for passing ones?
< 1305663118 177674 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bayes was three years ago.
< 1305663126 753997 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot has changed; your question has no concrete answer.
< 1305663129 991806 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timeframise it.
< 1305663133 691409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this contract is a contest, the SoA is its Contestmaster." <-- wat
< 1305663135 283019 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, that wiki
< 1305663144 313758 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Contracts had to be voted in as contests.
< 1305663144 395748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I disliked it too
< 1305663147 832280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, did you gain*
< 1305663149 832989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1305663152 520879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only tolerated it because of a scam I'd been planning for months
< 1305663156 272402 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't remember.
< 1305663158 142499 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha
< 1305663185 174227 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, you started using it after eso-std.org went bust and my report formatter output thusly went offline, right?
< 1305663185 862116 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1305663190 254873 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was because someone else got elected
< 1305663192 215615 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided to use it
< 1305663194 162360 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're terrible
< 1305663198 572943 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it Murphy?
< 1305663203 647826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was Murphy
< 1305663210 152339 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx?contract=Notary
< 1305663220 522421 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know the Gigantic Single Point of Failure is still working
< 1305663222 279352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob-space is still up?
< 1305663225 46055 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure would suck if we still used it
< 1305663234 852123 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, is that server-side VBScript?
< 1305663237 586956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no it isn't
< 1305663238 922816 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that 
< 1305663248 366097 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob-space.com sure is
< 1305663250 329994 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the nomic.
< 1305663257 740245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :During the voting period of a Proposal, a Farmer CAN once Harvest
< 1305663257 885191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ID number of that proposal. As soon as possible after doing so,
< 1305663257 967316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SoA CAN and SHALL award that Farmer 2 y-axis points if the proposal was Ordinary,
< 1305663257 967416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 4 x-axis points if it was Democratic.
< 1305663259 293238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1305663262 132068 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Daily Funny is your daily (or weekly, or monthly, depending on how often I update it) dose of humor. I post jokes, funny pictures, hilarious videos, and links to humorous things on the web here. Some of it you may have heard/seen before, but I'm sure you'll find something here to chuckle at. One other note: I try to keep all the humor on the Daily Funny family friendly - no dirty jokes here."
< 1305663264 271594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it is, C# doesn't use "sub" as a keyword like that
< 1305663269 21381 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too scared to click.
< 1305663270 450337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be VB.NET
< 1305663274 476098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, okay you know what, learning dwarffortress is easier :P
< 1305663283 895028 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :top two titles: "Converting the Heathen Bear" "Biblical History of the Internet"
< 1305663284 106303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this stuff is pretty nonsense
< 1305663290 51170 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it's not
< 1305663299 254157 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ordinary proposals let you vote on them multiple times
< 1305663302 999573 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Democratic proposals didn't
< 1305663306 973248 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :points used to be a complex number
< 1305663313 812758 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CAN is RFC-jargon imported by Agora
< 1305663340 965637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes the RFC stuff I know
< 1305663368 293629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, actually it is MUST/SHOULD/MAY (plus inverses), I don't seem to remember any CAN
< 1305663382 465056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we also have SHALL
< 1305663390 470442 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remember when we told everyone that relying on bobthj's site was a terrible idea?
< 1305663392 292488 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times, good times
< 1305663401 406775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so you use SHALL/?/CAN?
< 1305663410 362820 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when the entire history of the PBA turned out to be wrong every several weeks because of bugs in my script?
< 1305663411 971689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times, good times
< 1305663417 269427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: counterargument: if we were still using it, BobTHJ might have made it work
< 1305663425 623627 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did it ever truly work?
< 1305663432 277143 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I wasn't saying that because it's down
< 1305663463 179573 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html#rule-2152
< 1305663475 690752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why were points complex? They should be quaternions
< 1305663488 67625 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't any more
< 1305663491 475497 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they used to be
< 1305663510 158921 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I went to effort finding that link, click it :P
< 1305663513 273944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what are they now? Vectors?
< 1305663517 52482 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: integers
< 1305663518 100177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and I did
< 1305663520 39063 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, naturals, I think
< 1305663521 716093 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, boring
< 1305663525 632792 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to RFC2119, there's {MUST,REQUIRED,SHALL}, {MUST NOT,SHALL NOT}, {SHOULD,RECOMMENDED}, {SHOULD NOT,NOT RECOMMENDED} and {MAY,OPTIONAL}, where the grouped things mean the same.
< 1305663540 275488 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no it isn't, you can have a "DEPRECATED action that you MAY but CANNOT do"
< 1305663550 830386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't get why everyone found the AAA so complex, anyway; it's quite simple by nomic standards
< 1305663552 636711 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that, you should feel bad about doing it, and doing it violates no rules, but you simply can't
< 1305663553 125488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite grindy, too
< 1305663562 22843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet many people didn't put in the effort to read it
< 1305663567 599366 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I concluded it was trivial since aaa.py was only about thirty lines
< 1305663599 16704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: no it isn't, you can have a "DEPRECATED action that you MAY but CANNOT do" <-- err
< 1305663602 671489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I meant the score
< 1305663605 16790 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305663615 179485 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well we recently went on an appeal spree after the entire game imploded.
< 1305663620 673635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway how can you have "DEPRECATED action that you MAY but CANNOT do"
< 1305663638 291863 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after ais523 deregistered in a huff because he had to read the Vladivostok Telephone Directory lest he violate the rules)
< 1305663646 385965 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: simple
< 1305663653 537272 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: read the rule
< 1305663657 274928 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that none of them contradict
< 1305663674 596691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (after ais523 deregistered in a huff because he had to read the Vladivostok Telephone Directory lest he violate the rules) <--- ....
< 1305663694 891177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: well we recently went on an appeal spree after the entire game imploded. <-- it imploded?
< 1305663696 250866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's like... say if you, in the next three seconds, called my mother fat to her face
< 1305663703 291389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not illegal to do that, but it's socially discouraged
< 1305663710 938656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's impossible, because you don't live within three seconds of my mother
< 1305663718 708803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah...
< 1305663724 44680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting example
< 1305663728 130225 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (after ais523 deregistered in a huff because he had to read the Vladivostok Telephone Directory lest he violate the rules) <--- ....
< 1305663728 212268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is she fat?
< 1305663730 530236 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the ...?
< 1305663731 530977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1305663737 576580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, the weirdness :P
< 1305663742 494286 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Vorpal: it's like... say if you, in the next three seconds, called my mother fat to her face   it's not illegal to do that, but it's socially discouraged   and yet it's impossible, because you don't live within three seconds of my mother   ais523, ah...   ais523, interesting example   ais523, is she fat?
< 1305663742 747089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: actually it was a ....
< 1305663744 217206 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​427)  Vorpal: it's like... say if you, in the next three seconds, called my mother fat to her face   it's not illegal to do that, but it's socially discouraged   and yet it's impossible, because you don't live within three seconds of my mother   ais523, ah...   ais523, interesting example
< 1305663752 273572 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it was a ..., that formed an entire sentence by itself
< 1305663753 707417 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh HackEgo
< 1305663757 168838 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote ​427
< 1305663759 56856 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305663760 235680 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it's too long :(
< 1305663768 671018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I only asked because he mentioned it
< 1305663777 186272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you could remove the repeated  bits
< 1305663819 234037 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or replace with <> and assume everyone else assumes it automatically uses the previous nick.
< 1305663859 910632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that a Perlism?
< 1305663871 668660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 427
< 1305663872 525942 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​427)  Vorpal: it's like... say if you, in the next three seconds, called my mother fat to her face   it's not illegal to do that, but it's socially discouraged   and yet it's impossible, because you don't live within three seconds of my mother   ais523, ah...   ais523, interesting example
< 1305663880 944044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you failed to remove it
< 1305663895 350872 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It might be slightly Perlish, since Perl does have the default filehandle <> thing.
< 1305663918 990918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you made me think of short-tags in html instead of perl
< 1305663927 606417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking more of // for repeat last regex
< 1305663938 525329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: delquote is broken
< 1305663942 158082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we all thought of different things
< 1305663959 235233 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find . -iname '*quotes*'
< 1305663960 238748 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305663965 285937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find . -iname '*quote*'
< 1305663966 202059 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305663968 797681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1305663979 634966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I would sed the db if I knew where it was
< 1305663989 200197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1305663990 58278 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1305664005 511277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just revert to before the quote was added?
< 1305664010 682390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1305664025 102408 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls quote
< 1305664026 33214 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls quotes
< 1305664027 263960 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305664027 486307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ can do that
< 1305664027 820148 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​quotes
< 1305664035 591669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1305664237 208934 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 427
< 1305664238 250937 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305664241 54697 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sed'd.)
< 1305664270 203370 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wanna figure out why delquote is broken? :P
< 1305664308 262504 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but someone might make a `unquote command that does "sed -ie '$d' quotes", that might be useful for "okay, forget the last one" sort of operations.
< 1305664317 983674 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/delquote
< 1305664319 561819 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/delquote
< 1305664320 522246 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But but but it's only a few lines.
< 1305664333 307206 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That unquote thing is a good idea, but it still bugs me that delquote is broken; it worked just recently.
< 1305664335 257859 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, perl mode underlines arrays and hashes.
< 1305664342 705402 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: use cperl-mode
< 1305664352 162831 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this achieved...
< 1305664356 163608 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x cperl-mode
< 1305664364 82982 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it default for .pl files in your ~/.emacs, but I'm too lazy to remember how.
< 1305664396 741219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, the background color is better than the underline I guess.
< 1305664407 340334 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a different theme or is it completely different?
< 1305664416 977921 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very different.
< 1305664420 47584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mode would be completely different
< 1305664428 425778 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's different in that perl-mode sucks and cperl-mode doesn't.
< 1305664429 535827 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl-in-Emacs was a topic not many days ago; both perl-mode and cperl-mode have their own shortcomings.
< 1305664431 637493 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH.
< 1305664447 809116 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well a perfect perl mode is impossible :)
< 1305664458 445459 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in general Perl is a difficult language to accomodate.
< 1305664471 707449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, in general it can't be done
< 1305664474 640699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, TC
< 1305664474 722891 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because it's awesome.
< 1305664488 152830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, perl has TC parsing
< 1305664501 327669 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is a difficult language to accommodate and stomach.
< 1305664515 425515 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and most syntax highlighting uses things like regex.
< 1305664523 442210 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  I disagree. I think Perl is a wonderful language.
< 1305664534 707956 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a wonderful, terrible language :)
< 1305664540 677774 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect, no.
< 1305664542 999765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't hate it for stupid reasons like "it's line noise".)
< 1305664552 447792 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I find it kind of adorable, somehow.)
< 1305664552 830486 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I didn't think so.
< 1305664577 694730 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that it exists really. It is fairly atypical.
< 1305664578 863994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think it has more syntax than I like
< 1305664581 763362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- like an incontinent kitten. Endearing, but you don't want it on top of you."
< 1305664594 466235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has a bit too much syntax as well, but is otherwise awesome
< 1305664605 380315 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? too much syntax? nonsense.
< 1305664620 372052 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you a Lisp programmer?
< 1305664631 306446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I think lisp is about the right amount of syntax yes, though a bit more than lisp is fine
< 1305664675 525193 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has very little syntax really.
< 1305664680 598318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count things like "class x where ..."
< 1305664689 342610 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it is operators, which are not really "part of the syntax".
< 1305664695 974036 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I actually think of Haskell as having fairly sparse syntax.
< 1305664724 998490 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :man... these colors hurt my eyes a little bit.
< 1305664725 645629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed, the mass of operators while not syntax is a problem. Remembering all is difficult. Function names may be better for stuff that is less common
< 1305664743 837999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1305664744 101082 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Names /are/ used for less common operations.
< 1305664748 842673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphabetical ones
< 1305664753 789518 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You just don't know what's common, because you're not a Haskell programmer.
< 1305664754 58347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well even more so than currently
< 1305664758 634771 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the arrow, applicative, ... operations are common.
< 1305664765 798360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed.
< 1305664772 37754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With alphabetical names, they would be much less useful as far as concision goes.
< 1305664776 947431 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just highlight @ and % variables the same way as $... I mean, they already have sigils, that's enough to distinguish them.
< 1305664782 444887 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Concision makes things more readable because you don't have to skip over irrelveant names.)
< 1305664784 450065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I used <* and so on a few times. That is useful indeed
< 1305664796 277768 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, then you're just imagining this huge mass of operators :)
< 1305664818 468211 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has a huge mass of operators, and they're also awesome.
< 1305664821 20853 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hey, you know why your esolangs in Racket suck?
< 1305664825 330420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I meant like the "get element in Data.Array"
< 1305664828 604378 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Perl [six] has even nicer operators
< 1305664830 176213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why?
< 1305664839 2342 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less operators than Haskell though, simply because Haskell has a limitless number.
< 1305664841 593588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION failed to notice the "your"
< 1305664844 339900 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because they aren't Racket #langs.
< 1305664852 373329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhh.
< 1305664854 673255 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's not common?
< 1305664861 847750 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Let's see. C: x[n]. Fortran: some syntax I don't know.
< 1305664863 932447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGOL: yep.
< 1305664872 860585 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every language ever: yes, getting an element out of an array is common enough to warrant an operator.
< 1305664882 163787 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, the operator is an exclamation mark, right?
< 1305664885 220770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, sure, but in a functional language arrays aren't that central
< 1305664890 943279 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the standard "element of container" operation.
< 1305664894 60029 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map uses it too, etc.
< 1305664897 610664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, isn't it <: or something?
< 1305664904 193215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh forgot what it was
< 1305664909 146883 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Do you mean Data.Seq?
< 1305664916 275164 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence, sorry.
< 1305664916 670986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh that one had :< I think
< 1305664931 483073 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< is the constructor of ViewL.
< 1305664936 939395 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that so pattern matching is prettier.
< 1305664941 771283 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl: @{$href->{$aref->[1]}}[3]
< 1305664943 250852 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :case viewl q of
< 1305664943 559232 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm
< 1305664944 825970 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ARRAY(INDEX) for Fortran.
< 1305664944 923817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and come on, in lisp you don't have special syntax to get elements out of arrays
< 1305664945 562766 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  EmptyL -> ...
< 1305664947 778637 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  a :< b -> ...
< 1305664959 312730 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You do in some Lisps.
< 1305664972 474993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, Not True Lips then, but okay
< 1305664980 159447 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp doesn't count as a normal programming language, by the way.
< 1305664992 783765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But really, that's a stupid argument, because by that standard you're only allowed to have syntax for:
< 1305664995 801896 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Function application
< 1305664997 435202 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Macros, and
< 1305665001 263496 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- OH YEAH, tons of special forms.
< 1305665005 390618 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp has tons of syntax.
< 1305665013 162447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't see it because it's all made out of parens and names.
< 1305665014 35383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I think lisp should cut down on special forms yes
< 1305665018 104035 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And macros?
< 1305665020 403069 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a particular reason in @{$href->{$aref->[1]}}[3] to not go to the final end with arrow notation, as in $href->{$aref->[1]}->[3]?
< 1305665023 742350 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically... you want... sexp lambda calculus?
< 1305665035 282480 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations you have invented the least useful language ever.
< 1305665044 53013 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax is notation; not wanting notation is insanity.
< 1305665046 609021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, macros let you define your own syntax yes
< 1305665053 267125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the standard library shouldn't have it
< 1305665062 520600 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1305665067 595264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I said
< 1305665068 450923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1305665073 546595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I'm stepping out of this conversation because it's stupid.
< 1305665087 457470 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er, I guess not.
< 1305665106 556906 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the purposes of obfuscation, maybe.
< 1305665132 247651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Believe you me, Haskell has very, very sparse syntax. It just doesn't seem like it to you.
< 1305665166 384233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know all those operators you see? That's not really syntax. A Haskell operator is a function that's called infix. That's all.
< 1305665191 139263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I know that
< 1305665195 880729 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:  a better one would have used something like push. push @{href->{$aref->[1]}}, $data
< 1305665218 325736 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless push can work on refs, I haven't tried that actually.
< 1305665227 304209 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You seem to act like it isn't. :P
< 1305665247 612397 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what do you know, push can take a scalar reference
< 1305665257 748855 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to clean up some code I've been working on.
< 1305665310 761299 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  could you give me a rundown of what makes cperl-mode awesome and perl-mode not?
< 1305665333 106604 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it can't; at least not in my Perl. perl -e '$a = [1, 2]; push $a, 3;' => Type of arg 1 to push must be array (not scalar dereference) at -e line 1, near "3;"
< 1305665345 377471 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Nope, ask someone else :P
< 1305665371 36663 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  haha, okay. Oh, and it's (defalias 'perl-mode 'cperl-mode)
< 1305665413 958052 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Oh, well, that's one way to do it.
< 1305665417 917716 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That stops you using regular perl-mode though.
< 1305665421 815374 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cperl-mode is awesome because it handles the   fun(<
< 1305665791 845251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*discovered
< 1305665904 652304 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305665912 174726 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C-x b RET" is often enough if you just want to flip between two buffers repeatedly. (I'm not sure if there's a key that optimizes that particular operation even further.)
< 1305665991 50348 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I didn't know of it. I thought it might be germane for this channel :D
< 1305666065 843762 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :## Latest News ## 12 October 2000
< 1305666067 835272 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1305666081 206313 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: It's an old research language, what do you expect :)
< 1305666094 791909 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it'll compile...
< 1305666124 927650 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :cperl-modes highlighting is kind of inconsistent feeling.
< 1305666134 463320 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it highlights $info in my $info;
< 1305666140 151259 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in $info->get_tag()
< 1305666302 806133 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it has one face for variable definitions, one for arrays and one for hashes; but none for plain scalar variables. In "my $info" it's not $info in particular it's highlighting, it's the variable definition it is.
< 1305666383 331580 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-x c-b is a good. also c-x b
< 1305666415 866084 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lame, having the scalar variables highlighted would make things easier to read.
< 1305666434 425494 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why not just highlight @ and % variables the same way as $... I mean, they already have sigils, that's enough to distinguish them.
< 1305666583 88525 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, the sigil is enough to distinguish between different types of variables, but it doesn't help with large lines of code consisting of only scalars.. everything is the same color.
< 1305666592 181821 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: There seems to be a configuration key for it: setting cperl-highlight-variables-indiscriminately to non-nil will (probably) cause it to highlight all $foos with the variable-definition face.
< 1305666606 358522 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1305666608 269347 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent.
< 1305666669 264486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't tried; just searched for "scalar" in some old cperl-mode.el; it's one of the defcustom'd vars; I guess you could look through the cperl group in the customization browser for further configuration options in general.)
< 1305666697 421263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does you reload .emacs without a restart?
< 1305666744 374431 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: try C-x C-e on the end of a line you want to execute
< 1305666752 95973 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness.
< 1305666757 165842 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more useful than rerunning the whole file, especially as it might not be idempotent
< 1305666777 160570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: or in lisp interaction mode, C-j
< 1305666780 808649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual maximum bandwidth of cable Internet is 6762.4 Mbit/s in the US.
< 1305666807 292287 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: who has .emacs in lisp interaction mode?
< 1305666828 608700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just over the cable network you can get nearly 7 gigabits per second.
< 1305666832 232205 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...definitely not someone who just started picking up emacs today.
< 1305666854 533614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oh, I restart Emacs to check changes for .emacs
< 1305666861 839840 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i take it you haven't done anything with the [asterisk]scratch[asterisk] buffer yet >:)
< 1305666871 28296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to it otherwise being easy to introduce bugs where .emacs runs things in the wrong order
< 1305666878 278650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends not to show up if you test it "online"
< 1305666882 940191 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  nope..
< 1305666884 442243 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers setting the text colour for [asterisk]scratch[asterisk] to white
< 1305666900 348155 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only they didn't keep that nasty "TV" on the line.
< 1305667008 974178 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:  nah that didn't variable didn't seem to change anything. I'll check out customize
< 1305667033 530149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This rate could be doubled by using better modulation.
< 1305667099 227725 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How did you set it?
< 1305667107 990027 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You realise you have to re-enable the mode for it to take effect.
< 1305667138 509537 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I re-enable it. However, I just read the description of that variable and it says that it won't take any effect after the first time cperl-mode is loaded.
< 1305667147 900883 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... restart time.
< 1305667247 33802 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yeah, scalar variables are now a dull pasty brown.
< 1305667284 942717 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nailed it
< 1305667329 148263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Raising e to an imaginary power produces rotation around a unit circle in the complex plane, according to Euler’s formula. How? Magic, as far as I can tell. But apparently it’s true)."
< 1305667337 810669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers: dur maths is hard.
< 1305667383 545870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey not all programmers are stupid
< 1305667390 23195 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, said Vorpal.
< 1305667394 700817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, the maximum rate of DSL is about 200 Mbit/s. An order of magnitude smaller than cable, if the cable companies didn't hate the Internet.
< 1305667394 865922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good example of something unintuitive to the uninitiated
< 1305667408 508797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, come on, I understand why Euler's formulas work :P
< 1305667424 631534 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I decided that Fourier must have been speaking to aliens, because if you gave me all the time and paper in the world, I would not have been able to come up with that."
< 1305667428 152354 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, because you are stupid.
< 1305667430 860450 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR
< 1305667435 482343 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, because Fourier was a genius.
< 1305667438 180329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS
< 1305667439 388198 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS BOTH
< 1305667457 203136 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Google tells me Fourier didn't actually write the transform.
< 1305667461 684437 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would love to see a cable company turn off its cable TV service and start offering gigabit Internet.
< 1305667462 32517 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it was space aliens.
< 1305667463 596103 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaliens.
< 1305667473 180641 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo spaliens.
< 1305667474 895422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possibly, because Fourier was a genius.
< 1305667499 466310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Fourier set the stage for the huge flurry over the basis of calculus?
< 1305667519 351741 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother is calculus.
< 1305667532 373755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sounds like a genius right there then
< 1305667633 112603 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, one day in and Emacs isn't too bad. Perhaps in a few more days it'll even be not a pain in the ass to do anything.
< 1305667644 510778 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-174.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305667645 316315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, try M-x doctor.
< 1305667693 990856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, try M-x set-input RET TeX RET
< 1305667704 500989 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ahahaha. awesome.
< 1305667707 398448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, then write some tex notation into the buffer
< 1305667708 995485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1305667710 368459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :\vee
< 1305667712 403146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1305667723 753296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it will convert a subset to unicode
< 1305667845 87251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too busy being psychoanalyzed
< 1305667851 511814 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead
< 1305667857 680722 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Press a character to stop it.)
< 1305667858 139192 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Then M-x tetris.
< 1305667888 538784 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor: "You seem terrified by sex."
< 1305667889 786967 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Works in both terminals and graphically[exclamation mark])
< 1305667903 867631 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then M-x hanoi.
< 1305667923 384179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, when will you get your keyboard fixed?
< 1305667938 603021 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-16-83.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305668028 613579 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]laptop
< 1305668086 727072 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yow!  Legally-imposed CULTURE-reduction is CABBAGE-BRAINED!
< 1305668087 582667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, psychoanalyze-pinhead kind of sucks with the stripped-down yow.
< 1305668220 634142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  hanoi seems to have stopped working when I gave it a numeric argument of
< 1305668223 707723 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :9
< 1305668226 52581 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1305668228 824888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: tried tetris yet?
< 1305668235 302194 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I tried it earlier.
< 1305668236 425642 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has fancy pieces in the graphical version
< 1305668851 877114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :You: Does it please you to believe that it pleases me to believe that?
< 1305668853 332910 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eliza: Oh, i to believe that it pleases you to believe that.
< 1305669011 545183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone here think of a word meaning "susceptibility to invasion by zombies"?
< 1305669031 556628 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fleshy
< 1305669042 865409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might work
< 1305669072 403279 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat
< 1305669080 227652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: BlogNomic
< 1305669096 970109 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd tell you, but you'd have to make me a developer.
< 1305669108 610339 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a trial developer would be OK too
< 1305669119 786036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: haha
< 1305669307 733124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/Math
< 1305669319 109929 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics has tropes now?
< 1305669319 987242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to play "how long until the first facepalm!"
< 1305669328 174245 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
< 1305669332 230259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, Headscratchers = Just Bugs Me.
< 1305669359 829989 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1305669361 889751 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do people in an Honors Advanced Precalc class still need to ask "When are we going to use this in life?" If you've opted to take the class, and gotten to this level, you should know that unless you get a career in pure math or teaching, you're not going to use it. Just deal with it."
< 1305669364 550280 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALCULUS: Not useful
< 1305669375 452511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Math is used in everything. Well, almost everything. Economists use some very advanced math including fields like differential equations, probability and statistics, dynamical systems, and even some more pure stuff like linear algebra and analysis."
< 1305669390 907623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a bad sign that I don't really think of many of those things as "advanced"?
< 1305669432 678908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having finished linear algebra and differential equations, I'd agree with you that they're not too advanced...
< 1305669468 854121 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diff. eq just follows naturally from calculus, and linear algebra reasonably could be part of the standard secondary educational curriculum.
< 1305669481 443853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of skipped over both because numbers are kind of ugly.
< 1305669500 648473 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an opinion you share with oklofok
< 1305669511 244838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why is it impossible to divide by 0?
< 1305669511 526036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, here's about 20 pages of natter discussing the problem and why this is such a common question."
< 1305669516 139385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god, that was removed.
< 1305669538 636531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/6AK4DJbU is the pages of arguments.
< 1305669543 228744 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the implication in those questions that it's, like, physically impossible.
< 1305669549 847398 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What if I try REALLY HARD?"
< 1305669569 384024 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Linear algebra would be a much better course without numbers.
< 1305669584 689654 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's possible to ''multiply'' by 0 (with the result always being 0), and dividing is the exact opposite of multiplication, so why isn't any number/0 always 0?"
< 1305669587 226032 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1305669602 341467 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, it's impossible to break up the group represented by the dividend into 0 groups, so any number divided by 0 will always be undefined."
< 1305669606 657199 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just answered your own question.
< 1305669611 980560 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, multiplying by 0 means you're combining 0 groups of a specific number of items...which is equally impossible."
< 1305669612 690279 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1305669618 416776 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm crying irl
< 1305669626 116374 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desperately require comfort
< 1305669633 984488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is none.
< 1305669642 48096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that division by 0 was left undefined simply because defining it makes you lose a number of algebraic properties that are rather nice.
< 1305669652 182228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why is algebra and algorithms considered or anything involving advanced mathematics required classes if the career I want is to become a cartoonist?"
< 1305669658 37845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best part: this person is *right*.
< 1305669680 228089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way mathematics is taught completely removes all the benefits of learning it.
< 1305669689 688108 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I know who wrote that.
< 1305669694 674773 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't, but, I do.)
< 1305669712 119644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are going to have to explain that.
< 1305669729 485417 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeahno.
< 1305669730 209985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Calculation should be considered completely seperate from math.
< 1305669739 885216 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: There is a perfectly good name for it: arithmetic.
< 1305669779 992095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, pikhq_, except no, it's deeper than that.
< 1305669781 181104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305669787 685163 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't objecting.
< 1305669790 727901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memorising rules for differentiation is just as useless.
< 1305669792 26021 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was simply responding to pikhq_.
< 1305669796 535594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not more so.
< 1305669797 251405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: "Arithmetic" kinda gives you the notion that it's merely addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and perhaps some square roots.
< 1305669808 934691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least arithmetic can actually be used without understanding.
< 1305669834 633619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're actually going to *need* calculus, you probably need to understand the underlying reasoning as well.
< 1305669961 434277 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Quite true. Memorisation of things is pretty pointless.
< 1305669982 628449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say this as someone who has an extremely shaky understanding of some basic calculus.
< 1305670000 231783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this is because I was learning it at the same time as GCSE for an exam later in the year.
< 1305670005 678628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was being taught by a blind man.
< 1305670014 262868 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the *only* time I will ever have a need to memorise, say, derivatives or integrals, is for a test.
< 1305670019 755851 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok what do you want to eat?
< 1305670019 837510 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blind people can't do calculus
< 1305670019 948478 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :You.
< 1305670021 418821 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I am 1.87 and I am 32 years old and I am married.
< 1305670027 832844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I wonder if cleverbot will cyber with me.
< 1305670037 399114 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every other time, *I can look shit up*.
< 1305670042 3369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seriously, guys. Who the hell came up with the term 'integer'? What is wrong with calling them 'numbers'? If they're supposed to be called 'integers', why the hell do we even use the word 'number' anyway? Let's be honest here: when I first learned the term 'integer' back in middle school, that was the moment when mathematics Jumped The Shark for me. I've never trusted it since."
< 1305670049 182198 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ahoifahhaahahahahaahaha
< 1305670049 903084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person, OTOH, is an annoying idiot.
< 1305670052 343849 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an obvious joke
< 1305670059 567307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it is?
< 1305670061 583240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's actually relevant to what I'm doing a lot, then I'll probably memorise it anyways.
< 1305670076 372067 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "mathematics Jumped the Shark for me. I've never trusted it since." marks it as a joke.
< 1305670097 815069 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean, it is /possible/ someone that idiotic exists, but would they really be able to form decent sentences and make references to tropes?
< 1305670111 67627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, see: half the Homestuck fandom.
< 1305670111 921864 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ "Let's be honest here"
< 1305670116 60999 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they can't form sentences.
< 1305670134 763954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I am sorry, let us peruse homestucksecrets.
< 1305670135 252939 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence to the contrary NOTWITHSTANDING.
< 1305670145 454465 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god don't. The last time you did that ten thousand infants died.
< 1305670155 5718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catholicsecrets!
< 1305670168 548592 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305670204 60560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought Paul was the main character."
< 1305670244 379520 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Arguably, he is. His writings are the very first evidence we have of anything resembling Christianity.
< 1305670267 395461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, SHH YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
< 1305670297 279929 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it amusing that Paul never once quotes Jesus.
< 1305670316 816386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, read Homestuck. Then, read homestucksecrets. Go into fit of manic depression. Cure with kittens. Then, you shall understand truly that reference.
< 1305670319 49191 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, gives any suggestion that Jesus was a flesh-and-blood human being.
< 1305670451 12705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, start reading Homestuck, then stop halfway through, so I can control both you and elliott_ with the threat of spoilers.
< 1305670472 665865 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise I'm up-to-date.
< 1305670500 949830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT ON FINE STRUCTURE
< 1305670523 148563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ IT READ IT READ IT
< 1305670525 375843 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305670525 977531 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1305670542 327470 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305670562 227764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305670581 59159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MITCH KILLS SEPH WITH ROSEBUD
< 1305670597 512872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN IT TURNS OUT THAT MIKE IS HIS FATHER
< 1305670641 619992 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO WAS DEAD THE WHOLE TIME
< 1305670679 273169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE IMPRISONING GOD
< 1305670681 508175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS ACTUALLY
< 1305670695 264888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait does elliott_ know about that
< 1305670698 995765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1305670700 141794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1305670705 771962 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clear
< 1305670726 895936 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "the imprisoning god" gives away a shitload, I'm going to tear your fucking head off and punch it into a sausage-making machine.
< 1305670740 368903 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll keep a backup of your mind first so I can torture it for the rest of eternity.
< 1305670744 542370 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YW
< 1305670761 514080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't give away much.
< 1305670786 965579 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this, kids, is why Phantom_Hoover is hereby banned from joking about spoilers.
< 1305670799 810390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...isn't that basically the background of I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream.  or something.
< 1305670801 437247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST READ THE DAMN THINGG
< 1305670803 273544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THING
< 1305670822 728558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :()
< 1305670835 903754 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Too busy keeping friend on his toes by re-reading Homestuck in sync with him.
< 1305670846 754645 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is so unreliable you have no idea.
< 1305670860 661398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homefine Stuckture.
< 1305670868 483922 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ARE YOU GOING TO SPOIL EVERY MAJOR WORK OF FICTION FROM THE PAST CENTURY FOR ME ;D
< 1305670883 646774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: WELL WE WERE ON A RUN HERE...
< 1305670887 294562 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a greasemonkey extension that hides all sections named "Plot" or "Plot summary" from Wikipedia articles.
< 1305670896 804897 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially since they tend to be badly-written anyway.)
< 1305670906 73789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ZAKALWE IS [DATA EXPUNGED]
< 1305670915 204267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you're never going to read those books.
< 1305670933 787600 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am.
< 1305670936 593573 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I absolutely am.
< 1305670944 925039 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Culture is one of the few things penetrating the depth of my Fiction Backlog.
< 1305671011 537767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL NOW SCPSPOIL ALL OF THEM
< 1305671013 331289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN ORDER
< 1305671037 937126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE CULTURE WINS THE IDIRAN WAR
< 1305671049 961211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that wasn't redacted, because it's obvious.
< 1305671109 179746 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK stop.
< 1305671110 113890 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stop.
< 1305671111 949822 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust you.
< 1305671132 712292 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it would be hilarious if they didn't and all the remaining books were just "Nothing happened because the Culture no longer exists." repeated ad infinitum
< 1305671203 484810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't a war to the death or anything.
< 1305671239 894640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more "I want to play with the lesser species!" "No me!" "No me!"
< 1305671295 872356 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up before you spoil something.
< 1305671317 512588 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to obtain every Culture book in hardback before I read them, dammit, and that will be a pain.
< 1305671339 3854 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm plot idea for a sci-fi novel: the protagonist is from a fanatical religious world that recently won a war against a goody-two-shoes liberal one.  the great reveal near the end is that they actually lost but the liberals put them in a virtual simulation where they think they won instead
< 1305671340 114819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The war is barely relevant to the Culture series anyway.
< 1305671358 702673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well thanks for spoiling it.
< 1305671373 760234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- now spoiling books before they are written
< 1305671390 305588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO sPOLLING
< 1305671399 272894 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's really more of a novella type idea, isn't it
< 1305671403 919405 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's not that much of a conclusion
< 1305671415 456740 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And then they won except, ha ha, not really. The end."
< 1305671435 772183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1305671437 672351 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305671444 950626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never written either
< 1305671464 442569 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305671515 811742 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how popular are books intentionally spoiled from the beginning
< 1305671517 905370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could write it
< 1305671519 676058 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they even exist
< 1305671532 809367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "John dies in the end" has sold pretty well
< 1305671540 105659 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]at the
< 1305671547 199977 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My assumption with that book is that John dying is not, in fact, the real climax :)
< 1305671547 885158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, see: every classic ever.
< 1305671550 176058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same diff
< 1305671557 654211 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Two star-crossed lovers take their lives because they're idiots.
< 1305671562 276888 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now let me tell you how in excruciating detial.
< 1305671564 575541 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]detail.
< 1305671567 586197 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[POINTLESS PLAY OMITTED]
< 1305671572 701069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: my assumption is that it's litfic, and therefore has no real climax
< 1305671572 988736 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I remember that one
< 1305671586 58780 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else was an idiot too right
< 1305671598 349765 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is "comedic horror" generally considered to be able to be literary fiction?
< 1305671599 291770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem not to realise that Melville didn't actually write Moby Dick with the assumption that the reader would know how it ends.
< 1305671607 812226 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not making a judgement on whether it should be, but it seems rather out of the scope.)
< 1305671616 934302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anytthing can be litfic
< 1305671626 10620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew a girl writing a litfic about pokemon
< 1305671631 325144 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes, apart from the Priest guy, who as I recall told everyone else they were stupid.
< 1305671638 337809 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there's that one where everyone commits suicide because someone didn't get a burial, right?
< 1305671652 273472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did he write it with the assumption that anyone would read all of it through?
< 1305671652 652654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-190-151.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305671661 105025 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But comedic litfic has two conflicting aims -- to make you laugh and to, uhh, be literary fiction.
< 1305671681 765328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i never said it was easy
< 1305671683 506084 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read House of Leaves sometime. also, Infinite Jest. Prediction: I will never do either.
< 1305671696 870075 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.233.232 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305671840 938241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This Troper's boyfriend has been incredulously good at math since he was in elementary school,"
< 1305671846 142441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep using that word.
< 1305671854 297276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it means what you think it means.
< 1305671867 335115 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1305671945 386691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets bored, reads Simple English Wikipedia.
< 1305671997 920513 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305672003 305890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gets bored" is probably the wrong phrase; it's more that I keep trying to do a depth-first traversal of the internet.
< 1305672019 866545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox
< 1305672027 585682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematics has shown that..."
< 1305672035 642513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no
< 1305672038 399299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematics has shown that any object can be reassembled into any other object."
< 1305672058 601408 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : This short article about science can be made longer. You can help Wikipedia by adding to it.
< 1305672129 130510 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how everything is simpler
< 1305672186 302957 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure about some of these things
< 1305672193 387400 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Change" instead of "Edit", really?
< 1305672199 298869 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Give" instead of "Donate"
< 1305672225 218091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They basically took every Latinate word and replaced it with an Anglo-Saxon one.
< 1305672244 946430 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes it simpler
< 1305672248 735060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet
< 1305672254 603498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A magnet is a very special metal."
< 1305672268 468380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way they simplify to the point of wrongness.
< 1305672291 836664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RANDOM THOUGHT: Bismuth as shielding around a hard drive.
< 1305672307 292344 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not that special.
< 1305672317 812976 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A VERY special metal.
< 1305672325 186712 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems
< 1305672332 130061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry guys we are now discussing bismuth.
< 1305672332 216008 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how uncleftish
< 1305672365 105063 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find simple english harder to follow than regular english
< 1305672408 839437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth(V)_oxide
< 1305672413 278234 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305672417 195053 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want complex english wikipedia
< 1305672421 707771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even decide to write that article.
< 1305672442 155353 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bismuth isn't funny
< 1305672460 404766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, bismuth(V) oxide is.
< 1305672466 760527 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is serious bismuth
< 1305672476 572813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats monqy.
< 1305672499 775920 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bismuth is NOT funny
< 1305672537 81633 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felisburgo
< 1305672558 612280 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight and to the point
< 1305672570 833662 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Vernon,_Illinois
< 1305672573 496092 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better
< 1305672594 866484 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting "Show any page" is bringing up a lot of these
< 1305672627 169875 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how it says random
< 1305672629 593780 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha it is omg
< 1305672652 850400 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting
< 1305672655 914682 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting is something people do to find out how many things there are of any kind.
< 1305672662 976428 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's abstract to the point of unreadability
< 1305672677 788398 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting is something people do to count stuff
< 1305672694 57574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_off
< 1305672699 128979 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person counting usually starts with the number one, and gives this number to the first thing. The next thing is given the number two. Then, the next thing is given the number three. If there is another thing, it gets the number four. More things get more numbers. Each thing gets its own number in this way. The last number given to the last thing counted shows how many things there are.
< 1305672711 668132 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :words of wisdo m
< 1305672733 143318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining a guy handing out numbers to little cute kittens or something
< 1305672735 39446 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the things get a number
< 1305672740 771577 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jeez it has examples
< 1305672747 877141 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the letters A, Q, L, and S on a piece of paper. How many letters are there on the piece of paper?
< 1305672750 873041 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tom gives numbers to the letters. The letter A gets the number 1. The letter Q gets the number 2. The letter L gets the number 3. The letter S gets the number 4. There are no more letters to count. There are 4 letters on the piece of paper.
< 1305672752 534415 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guitar Hero: Metallica is a rhythm game that was made by Neversoft with other help from Activision. It is part of the Guitar Hero franchise. The game was released in North America on March 29, 2009 for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and the Wii and was released on April 14, 2009 in North America for the PlayStation 2. In the game Guitar Hero: World Tour, there is a trailer for the game with the song "Master of Puppets" playing in the background. "It also s
< 1305672752 762680 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ays Ride the Lightning 2009."[needs proof]
< 1305672754 390963 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[needs proof]
< 1305672764 379369 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a citation
< 1305672775 426501 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word art is used to describe some activities or creations of human beings that have importance to the human mind, regarding an attraction to the human senses. Therefore, art is made when a human expresses himself or herself.
< 1305672778 639915 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"themselves" is too difficult
< 1305672796 757690 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation
< 1305672829 171539 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scared to look up "sex"
< 1305672834 558133 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be written for toddlers
< 1305672841 430869 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll start "when a man and a women love each other very much"
< 1305672848 32896 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "sit down son.
< 1305672852 490193 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you about the birds.
< 1305672853 871725 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bees."
< 1305672856 246527 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex is a type of reproduction common among living things. It always needs two individuals, usually of the same species. Sex is used by plants and animals, and also by fungi and various single-celled organisms. It works by combining genes from more than one source.
< 1305672871 270061 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if genes don't combine it isn't sex?
< 1305672883 94788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat
< 1305672883 293880 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am here first time i got this site good and i wish to express my thougts i am astonished to see the dual and tripple policies of world powers the superpowers as they claimed theirslves and i called so it called superpowers.all the are acting the world have no realistic approach of justification just to give a new trend to make and create a new joke that the world is in danger and all civilized nations are near to destroy by the elements called terrori
< 1305672883 423453 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :st we have never seen them in real life just to see what the reallly want to show to us on their controlled media and make people fool in this way and get all their vested interst and make any nation their colony and use of power in their thought is sacred and any other person or a group use the power is called genoside terrorism atrocities etc.
< 1305672885 301783 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Talk:Main Page
< 1305672887 511407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behaviour section.
< 1305672894 787896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IMAGE
< 1305672898 994415 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gross it has nudity and a picture of butterfly sex
< 1305672900 14571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The cat on the right is fed up with the cat on the left and this is a semi-serious warning."
< 1305672907 319509 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: X-D
< 1305672971 471783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god
< 1305672975 611263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kittens
< 1305672977 347732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is
< 1305672978 708929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so funny
< 1305672993 599565 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"other images of dogs"
< 1305672994 287163 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh goody
< 1305672997 280542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5. Watch, delighted, as kitten sits down promptly and urinates. Do same for other kits.
< 1305673006 298024 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...X-D
< 1305673009 292495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. Repeat next time if they need it. They will not need a third time. Probably."
< 1305673018 550725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KITTEN I HAVE WARNED YOU TWICE
< 1305673023 305413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE WILL NOT BE A THIRD TIME
< 1305673029 469924 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby
< 1305673030 96421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY
< 1305673033 485664 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A baby is a very young human who is usually born after coming out of a woman.
< 1305673038 380056 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters
< 1305673042 586601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually.
< 1305673058 707716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal is very, very poorly suited to builds where you don't *want* to install the program.
< 1305673064 993499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never chastise a cat physically: if you do, the relationship will never be the same again."
< 1305673067 258316 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: usually
< 1305673075 212286 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bahahahaoaihfjgoifdjh
< 1305673077 93143 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A child is a month old, a baby until he or she is about three years old, and a preschooler between 3 years old and school.
< 1305673087 388815 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How old are you?" "School."
< 1305673095 452411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are acutely affected by domestic abuse.
< 1305673104 897465 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baby&action=historysubmit&diff=1817847&oldid=1814967
< 1305673105 586908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lady.
< 1305673105 757292 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cute
< 1305673113 899858 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuteness is a type of liking people have, such as toward children and babies. It mostly depends on their appearance.
< 1305673116 460599 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knut, a young polar bear at the Berlin Zoo, has been talked about in the media as "cute".[1]
< 1305673138 683377 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abortion
< 1305673138 764930 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1305673138 910752 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Redirected from Miscarriage
< 1305673152 491887 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1305673157 594497 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305673158 274532 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1305673179 771792 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's defining abortion generally to include miscarriages
< 1305673181 965257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It can affect people, dogs, and cats.[1]"
< 1305673198 817635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of this closely related group, it has not been observed.
< 1305673202 619514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly)
< 1305673217 359115 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305673223 100927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knut_(polar_bear)
< 1305673235 55176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article is more detailed than their articles on... everything.
< 1305673248 456409 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading about human sacrifice now
< 1305673255 954690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BONUS STUPID WIKIPEDIAS: http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1305673263 644188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scots Wikipedia!
< 1305673275 556537 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her arrival interested people from all over the world, because many sources thought the two bears (although they were sexually immature) would soon be "dating".[34]
< 1305673286 514233 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dating"
< 1305673290 933720 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1305673291 877906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The non-English Anglo-Frisian languages deserve a Wikipedia, too.
< 1305673299 673048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Afore nou, cats citch moose an froot aboot fowk's hooses."
< 1305673318 701834 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305673333 926402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot show my amusement there are English people I must show solidarity oh god I can't this is ridiculous.
< 1305673336 67002 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kinnen or rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus) is wee-er nor a maukin. The bouerie unner the grund whaur kinnens leeves is kent as a cuningar. A young kinnen is cried a leprone.
< 1305673341 615148 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: See the page on "dating" though. The male bear was "dating" his penis into the female bear's vagina :P
< 1305673345 293889 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee-er nor a maukin
< 1305673354 86110 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A maukin or hare, whiles kent as a donie; baud, bautie or pous(ie) an aw, haes lang lugs a can rin awfu fast. A young hare is cried a leprone.
< 1305673354 318721 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * The broun hare (Lepus europaeus)
< 1305673354 400513 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * The white hare or cuttie (Lepus timidus)
< 1305673366 763863 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no sex page :(
< 1305673369 984721 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there IS a homosexuality page
< 1305673373 919200 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305673374 339008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god
< 1305673376 925459 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Metallica discography.
< 1305673378 88350 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIORITIES
< 1305673381 308434 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's sex called in Scots Phantom_Hoover
< 1305673382 363775 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo♥iality
< 1305673389 875539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how would I know?
< 1305673399 888396 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're Scottish.
< 1305673405 847618 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Scotch
< 1305673411 599415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have a page on "sassenach".
< 1305673412 727118 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cavalier o Hohenberg an his squire burned far crime o sodomy.
< 1305673415 827976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculous.
< 1305673420 618383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can they not have a page on that.
< 1305673425 369959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
< 1305673426 631571 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Scots is only common in the Highlands.
< 1305673427 75827 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gaun by the Kinsey Scale, bisexuals can reenge fae bein a bittie homosexual tae beein a bittie heterosexual."
< 1305673429 612720 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bittie homosexual
< 1305673439 332996 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance
< 1305673440 262395 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IMAGE
< 1305673441 182869 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT CAPTION
< 1305673442 353859 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGHFOHFOGIHDOJOIDJHOGFH
< 1305673453 310428 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ach, feelin' a bittie homosexual tadae!
< 1305673460 311269 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metallica (pronounced /mɛˈtælɨkə/) is an American hivy metal baund frae Los Angeles, California, formed in 1981. The baund wis foondit when an advertisement postit bi drummer Lars Ulrich in a local newspaper, wis respondit tae bi James Hetfield. Metallica's line up haes primarily consistit o Ulrich, rhythm guitarist an vocalist James Hetfield an lead guitarist Kirk Hammett, while goin through a number o bassists (Ron McGovney, Cliff Burton, Jason N
< 1305673460 468447 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewsted). The spot is currently held bi Robert Trujillo. The baund's oreeginal lead guitarist, afore Hammett, wis current Megadeth guitarist an lead vocalist Dave Mustaine.
< 1305673462 182560 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIVY METAL
< 1305673463 582946 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIVY METAL BAUND
< 1305673464 109882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on guys you could have tried.
< 1305673465 163585 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIVY METAL BAUND
< 1305673467 53126 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIVY METAL BAUND
< 1305673469 50611 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIVY METAL BAUND
< 1305673471 48610 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIVY METAL BAUND
< 1305673489 686036 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As o December 2009, Metallica is the fowert best-sellin muisic airtist since the SoundScan era began trackin sales on Mey 25, 1991, sellin a total o 52,271,000 albums in the Unitit States alone."
< 1305673491 374830 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNITIT STATES
< 1305673491 997885 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNITIT STATES
< 1305673492 326557 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNITIT STATES
< 1305673493 66926 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNITIT STATES
< 1305673496 514297 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Be glad Yola's dead, I guess.
< 1305673497 184550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gaun by the Kinsey Scale, bisexuals can reenge fae bein a bittie homosexual tae beein a bittie heterosexual."
< 1305673503 422940 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Already pasted.
< 1305673504 903695 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try out the Wale page allevolie
< 1305673517 592509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitit_States
< 1305673524 989082 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ingland's muckle maist ceety, Lunnon, is the caipital o the Unitit Kinrick an aw.
< 1305673534 37240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"George Washington wis the first presses."
< 1305673537 270217 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Breetain
< 1305673562 304976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Scots can't spell anything the normal way.
< 1305673575 398787 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal = modern English :P
< 1305673584 284690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland
< 1305673591 603872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the subtle jab at Ulster Scots.
< 1305673605 98494 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Scots is a distinct language with less well-defined orthography than English. Sorry. :P
< 1305673606 84431 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://af.wikipedia.org/
< 1305673614 119738 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* This wrangous neologism wis niver uised bi native speakers onywhaur at onytime. It wis cleckit in the late 1990s bi Ulstèr-Scotch enthusiasts.
< 1305673615 557223 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahahaha
< 1305673619 963266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I AM SORRY WHO IS SCOTTISH HERE
< 1305673624 646058 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (nou | last) 16:08, 10 Februar 2011 207.235.31.62 (Collogue) (6 bytes) (Replacin page wi 'POTATO') (undo)
< 1305673627 725625 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673628 61611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WHO IS AN AMERICAN
< 1305673630 980755 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673631 441355 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673631 673698 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673631 938636 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: CLEARLY NOÖNE.
< 1305673632 787856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROM ENGLAND
< 1305673634 201285 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673634 432689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673634 664500 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673634 746514 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacin page wi 'POTATO'
< 1305673642 929915 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO TRUE SCOTSMAN DOES NOT SPEAK SCOTS.
< 1305673655 840344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I CAN SPELL WORDS PHONETICALLY TOO
< 1305673673 897559 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Stoooooooooooop
< 1305673676 502497 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or stop
< 1305673679 971114 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CF%8D%CE%BB%CE%B7:%CE%9A%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B1
< 1305673683 92508 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GREEKS HAVE FOUND ORKNEY
< 1305673693 538370 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not phonetic unless you don't speak with the Great Vowel Shift.
< 1305673700 484728 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: # President Barack Obama bevestig dat die terroristeleier Osama bin Laden in 'n Amerikaanse aanval dood is.
< 1305673736 48895 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Amerikaanse aanval dood is"!
< 1305673746 715620 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/GRk0v.png
< 1305673766 634433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1305673774 628845 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305673779 774981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers that the SNP are basically in charge now.
< 1305673786 204779 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OCH AYE
< 1305673797 656432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry guys I can't join in or I'll lose my Scottish licence.
< 1305673803 13144 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Guess you better learn Scots, then. And perhaps Gaelic.
< 1305673811 736028 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gælic?)
< 1305673819 440697 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAYLICK
< 1305673822 151573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll have to lose all those cool perks we get because the English are suckers.
< 1305673834 11510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, AH BUT I AM ETHNICALLY IRISH
< 1305673861 743813 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fantastic, learn Irish as well!
< 1305673864 690435 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Irish are ethnically Scottish :P
< 1305673877 887489 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hell, and Welsh. Might as well pick up all the living Celtic languages.
< 1305673892 104566 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cornish?
< 1305673897 16527 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FUCK YOU
< 1305673900 52976 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305673902 601724 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breton?
< 1305673906 410820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, as Vorpal can attest, I am also Welsh.
< 1305673918 885617 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY HASN'T ENGLISH CONQUERED THE BRITISH ISLES
< 1305673945 645919 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manx?
< 1305673954 239377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no you are Scottish
< 1305673972 933786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it has in the sense that almost everyone speaks it to some degree.
< 1305673994 1603 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that there's 100 native speakers of Manx, and 600 of Cornish, I feel justified in calling them dead.
< 1305673997 123241 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to the Highlands and everyone will be all "Why are you pronouncing everything non-phonetically"
< 1305674010 299046 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they'll just murder me for sounding English.
< 1305674017 182359 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wikipedia says 1,700 and 3,000 :P
< 1305674032 161051 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THEY'RE BREEDING
< 1305674033 953825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HÏVY METAL BÄUND
< 1305674038 43037 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Total speakers.
< 1305674053 816273 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you said native.
< 1305674055 5850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Given that there's 100 native speakers of Manx, and 600 of Cornish, I feel justified in calling them dead.
< 1305674056 78679 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it.
< 1305674066 615665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but there are like 150 people on Mann.
< 1305674086 967112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,000.
< 1305674087 457117 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mann is dead too
< 1305674097 11144 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you mean "Isle of Man".
< 1305674112 176600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, you do mean "Mann".
< 1305674126 103193 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, Mann.
< 1305674146 685143 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mann is a douchebag.
< 1305674153 640241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost as bad as the time I discovered that the tiny Irish village I get dragged to has a population of around 2000.
< 1305674213 316783 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans suck at population estimation.
< 1305674260 39707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE
< 1305674282 785220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part is that according to WP and some calculation, 8 of those people aren't Protestant or Catholic.
< 1305674285 382709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8*.
< 1305674365 886691 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many of those eight do some other religion
< 1305674447 224227 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305674473 126684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done, monqy, you have successfully explicited the subtext!
< 1305674483 479540 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305674509 264772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a script that makes jabberwacky and cleverbot talk to each other.
< 1305674520 570865 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :been done hasn't it
< 1305674527 432886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea..
< 1305674530 17174 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.
< 1305674543 380604 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :google results have yielded nothing so far.
< 1305675015 517411 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305675160 6169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I need your dismissive opinions on Steinbeck.
< 1305675242 635065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Grapes of Wrath demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about what makes a compelling narrative.
< 1305675261 316805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the pretentious mental wankery?
< 1305675266 722659 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grapes of poop
< 1305675282 740832 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is part of demonstrating that lack of understanding.
< 1305675289 652931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1305675297 878396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else do you have dismissive opinions on.
< 1305675315 492406 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you'll excuse me, I would like to cease the narrative to wank onto the page!"
< 1305675354 370226 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Name some authors, I'll probably come up with something.
< 1305675414 665936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miller.
< 1305675445 132646 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not registering as an author.
< 1305675450 408347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Adams
< 1305675457 14736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terry Pratchett
< 1305675464 460792 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I cannot dismiss them.
< 1305675498 78427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homer
< 1305675534 205518 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's an old Greek dude that people fellate without having actually read anything by him.
< 1305675548 724369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Meyers
< 1305675550 20350 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo
< 1305675550 882254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks.
< 1305675584 664589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Incompetent author and a Mormon writing about the Mormon ideal of a relationship. Also, vampires.
< 1305675599 68757 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there's no s.
< 1305675606 831103 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is the result of me googling "Meyers".)
< 1305675614 766457 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And having no clue who you meant until pikhq answered.)
< 1305675618 589559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, SHUT UP
< 1305675643 46583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, vampires can be good
< 1305675646 811606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE NOT LIVED THROUGH THE TORMENT OF HAVING A SISTER WHO IS A SUPERPOSITION OF EVERY ANNOYING THING A YOUNGER SISTER CAN BE
< 1305675661 637555 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Only when they glow.
< 1305675663 877284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not when written by someone who has obviously never even read Dracula.
< 1305675681 158041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She went from reading Twilight and zealously following the charts to being a pretentious hipster in about 3 months.
< 1305675703 190183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:  the internet can do that to people.
< 1305675734 67520 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And appears to think an abusive relationship is desirable.
< 1305675766 33364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a problem with the story, not the vampires
< 1305675773 948833 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo really likes vampires.
< 1305675775 480666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, problem with the author
< 1305675779 295048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just saying
< 1305675780 606305 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we psychoanalyse.
< 1305675796 805928 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Can you elaborate on that?
< 1305675815 256359 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Do you think can you elaborate on that because of an experience you had as a child?
< 1305675818 956549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vampire is his stepmother.
< 1305675844 318418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Hemingway.
< 1305675861 47253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A genuinely good author.
< 1305675869 519949 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And supreme badass.
< 1305675871 163147 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Joyce
< 1305675871 244728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespeare.
< 1305675880 842837 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Why do you ask that?
< 1305675886 858944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also, as we established, a woman.
< 1305675906 792639 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: An oft-misunderstood playwrite, who uses rather crude language, contrary to popular belief.
< 1305675911 811089 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat
< 1305675916 227835 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  (this is going to go nowehre fast...)
< 1305675916 914780 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: RESPOND TO MINE
< 1305675922 636361 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: already gave up :D
< 1305675925 462068 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1305675939 169125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, we found some gender analyser thing.
< 1305675941 345781 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Cannot give a meaningful comment.
< 1305675952 601809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said complex sentences were male and simple ones female.
< 1305675966 712748 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is joyce.  you don't need to be meaningful.
< 1305675968 880481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On pikhq's suggestion, I fed Hemingway in, and he came out 83% female.
< 1305675980 701455 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  you're being a bit negative. :D
< 1305675983 393239 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah, right*.
< 1305675995 587240 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty unsurprising. Hemingway reïnvented simple language.
< 1305676001 975831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq
< 1305676015 149555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diaereses are not necessary between different vowels.
< 1305676019 874131 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to quote Finnegans Wake.
< 1305676021 484350 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Sir Tristram, violer d'amores, fr'over the short sea, had passen- 	4
< 1305676021 718989 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :core rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy	5
< 1305676021 800310 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isthmus of Europe Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war: nor	6
< 1305676021 800456 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had topsawyer's rocks by the stream Oconee exaggerated themselse	7
< 1305676021 800559 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Laurens County's gorgios while they went doublin their mumper	8
< 1305676021 951227 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time: nor avoice from afire bellowsed mishe mishe to	9
< 1305676024 25081 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tauftauf thuartpeatrick: not yet, though venissoon after, had a	10
< 1305676025 950636 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kidscad buttended a bland old isaac: not yet, though all's fair in	11
< 1305676027 948401 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanessy, were sosie sesthers wroth with twone nathandjoe. Rot a	12
< 1305676029 946462 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :peck of pa's malt had Jhem or Shen brewed by arclight and rory	13
< 1305676032 114278 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :end to the regginbrow was to be seen ringsome on the aquaface.
< 1305676035 286116 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fuck yoü. :P
< 1305676041 691180 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the last two pages of Finnegans Wake
< 1305676044 601616 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw man, now I've spoilt it for myself.
< 1305676045 992586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: cool story, bro.
< 1305676061 859361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I might be required to like Joyce on account of technical Irishness.
< 1305676066 296955 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see what I did there: it was a joke.
< 1305676073 342721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Ireland kind of sucks right now so I can't be bothered.
< 1305676078 932895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical irishness, the best kind of irishness
< 1305676080 393131 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyone who uses the word "tumptytumtoes" can't be that bad.
< 1305676087 369216 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "humptyhillhead". Or "pftjschute".
< 1305676090 544946 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... "upturnpikepointandplace"?
< 1305676096 84763 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk".
< 1305676100 345218 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are all from the first page.
< 1305676108 333661 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he pioneered Markov chains.
< 1305676117 155821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hey clearly that's a genuine welsh place name
< 1305676136 439509 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :James Joyce made up nine 101-letter words in his novel Finnegans Wake, the most famous of which is Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk. Appearing on the first page, it allegedly represents the symbolic thunderclap associated with the fall of Adam and Eve. As it appears nowhere else except in reference to this passage, it is generally not accepted as a real word. Sylvia Plath made mention o
< 1305676136 562212 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f it in her semi-autobiographical novel The Bell Jar, when the protagonist was reading Finnegans Wake.
< 1305676147 507904 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Owing to the work's expansive linguistic experiments, stream of consciousness writing style, literary allusions, free dream associations, and its abandonment of the conventions of plot and character construction, Finnegans Wake remains largely unread by the general public."
< 1305676158 64839 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all but saying "actually, it literally makes no sense at all".
< 1305676159 674402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Banks.
< 1305676169 259208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, noöne else reads the Culture novels.
< 1305676267 933705 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none else would be a plausible norwegian female name
< 1305676327 898065 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :still going strong elliott_
< 1305676348 559249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, a dane
< 1305676359 556565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more plausible in danish, actually
< 1305676408 329363 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: so much stamina
< 1305676420 26431 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait danes use double last names instead of first names, don't they
< 1305677171 484353 :DoA-TheGreat!~doa@m4.mullvad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305677171 945505 :DoA-TheGreat!~doa@m4.mullvad.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305677306 14376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his faithful dog DoB-Do
< 1305677328 217718 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think you're so cool
< 1305677332 914253 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me tell you something
< 1305677522 236971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305677602 51013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i proved that every sequence in roman numeral look and say grows exponentially
< 1305677612 527192 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sneaky bastard!
< 1305677621 81400 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305677640 234774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not yet sure whether it always grows at a constant limit speed though
< 1305677661 619624 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell me later, i'm trying to get to work at a sensible time today
< 1305677668 245424 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely now
< 1305677674 607541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the substring VIIIVIIIIVIIIVI always arises, and is self-replicating
< 1305677717 975147 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1305677813 993616 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1305677819 50509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the breaks in that sequence
< 1305677833 974311 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaks?
< 1305677958 511747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be 52434241 or 8986  or something else in between, depending on which standard you choose
< 1305677972 722623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305677989 775088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case there are no breaks
< 1305678072 880163 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually there's a break before every letter
< 1305678135 254791 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you tell me the details?
< 1305678187 12123 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.233.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305678394 521852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I II III IV V VI (VII VIII ...) are the numerals i use (the larger ones disappear after two-three iterations)
< 1305678418 91539 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I II III IIII IVI IIIVII IIIIIVIII VIIVIIII IVIIIIVIVI IIIVIVIIVIIIVII IIIIIVIIIVIIIIVIIIIIVIII VIIVIIIIIVIVIIVVIIVIIII IVIIIIVVIIVIIIVIIIIVIVIIIIVIVI IIIVIVIIVIVIIIIVIIIIIVIVIIVIIIVIVIIVIIIVII IIIII(VIIIVIIIIVIIIVI)VIIVVIIVIIIVIIIIVIIIIIVIIIVIIIIVIIIIIVIII
< 1305678436 492016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that looks right to start with
< 1305678446 80311 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305678456 901789 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for V, the same thing happens + extre
< 1305678459 135707 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*extra
< 1305678459 462768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: could you please put the breaks in as hyphens so i can tell the difference between 3 and 12?
< 1305678463 42205 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you pasted my quote from yesterday
< 1305678475 255618 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no i did that just now
< 1305678483 740736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um they are melted together after each step
< 1305678502 222265 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't all too careful but anyhow easy to believe, now i just have to make sure you didn't lie about self-replicating
< 1305678516 510732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say IIIVII -> III-I I-V II-I -> IIIIIVIII
< 1305678564 178944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: note i needed to consider a few different environments, also i checked with a haskell program
< 1305678566 518790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I I-I I-II I-III IV-I I-I-I-V-I-I III-I-I-V-II-I etc.
< 1305678591 692830 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah environments
< 1305678596 834659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um no other way around for some of those
< 1305678598 655993 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually context-free is it...
< 1305678642 575220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: um what does that mean here...
< 1305678677 295399 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that a I doesn't actually evolve like that if there's something around it
< 1305678693 603329 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it essentially does, i haven't thought about this
< 1305678717 876748 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIIIVIIIIVIIIVI IVIIIIIVIVIIVIIIIIVII IIIVVIIVIIIVIIIIVVIIVIII IIIIIIVIIIIVIIIIIVIVIIIVIIIIVIIII VIIIVIVIIVVIIVIIIVIIIIIVIVIIVIVI IVIIIIIVIIIVIIIIIVIIIIVIIIIIVVII(VIIIVIIIIVIIIVI)I aaaaaand we're there
< 1305678747 48660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: indeed.  in fact that string i quoted is really |IIIVIIIIVIIIV| where the | signifies that if there is a letter on the other side it cannot be the same one
< 1305678757 678555 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1305678765 758235 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1305678808 865890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the clue here is that if you remove all initial V's after each step, it looks like you are _very_ likely to hit something beginning with that string eventually
< 1305678881 77104 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
< 1305678904 77491 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can check that this is true for each of I, II, III, IV, IIV, ... IIIIIIV
< 1305678993 785357 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not getting this at all man
< 1305678995 710088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1305679003 390892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well to start with the beginning.  the problem with this variation compared to ordinary look and say is that there are no atom boundaries (ignoring digits X, L etc. which don't matter after a few steps)
< 1305679024 908292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:14:50  you can tell me later, i'm trying to get to work at a sensible time today
< 1305679030 536160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :every sequence fluctuates between starting with I and starting with V
< 1305679034 266677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 03:14:50 for him
< 1305679035 611769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1305679052 253228 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1305679116 398982 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what about it
< 1305679123 390179 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually i haven't done the case analysis but anyhow
< 1305679128 741119 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: morning work best of works
< 1305679139 156292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1305679153 761255 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have all the math to myself
< 1305679155 626923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did, V -> I immediately and I -> V in at most 6 steps iirc
< 1305679167 938831 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVVVV => VV
< 1305679195 604677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you can have at most 2 V's and 6 I's in sequence after the 3rd or 4th generation or so
< 1305679206 899279 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1305679223 570257 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then i'm good
< 1305679261 249296 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it follows that every block of V's turns into either IV or IIV.  thus every block of V's _always_ interacts with the previous block
< 1305679344 683166 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if there's a five, then more I's before the V, and if there's an I, then more I's on the next generation
< 1305679347 960872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i therefore mostly merge them together, and treat my basic units as IV, IVV, IIV, IIVV, IIIV, IIIVV, IIIIV, IIIIVV, IIIIIV, IIIIIVV, IIIIIIV and IIIIIIVV
< 1305679360 663872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1305679377 716579 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with beginning and end of the whole string sometimes exempted
< 1305679401 142971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305679417 389302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we do this, we see that blocks can send information to the previous block, in the form of an extra V occasionally
< 1305679428 465636 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please tell me it's tc
< 1305679432 983371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll explode with happy
< 1305679442 462227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also only the blocks IIIIV and IIIIVV split into two blocks
< 1305679453 124440 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they send an extra V?
< 1305679457 278300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i don't know yet, i've just shown it must grow exponentially
< 1305679463 474413 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tell me anyway
< 1305679474 366612 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well consider our fundamental example
< 1305679498 904926 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tell me anyway
< 1305679518 713075 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me it's tc
< 1305679527 340447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|IIIV|IIIIV|IIIV| -> |IIIIIV|IV|IIV|IIIIIV| -> (V)|IIV|IIIV|IIIIVV|IIV|
< 1305679536 66629 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.107.4 NICK :elliott
< 1305679538 761582 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.107.4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1305679550 640225 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: given four strings u, v, w and z it is RE-complete to tell whether z appears in the orbit of inf^u v w^inf
< 1305679563 917088 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see that the blocks with 5 or more I's at each step turn into something beginning with V, which is then merged with the previous block
< 1305679569 194411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no i just want oerjan to tell me that it's tc
< 1305679571 181276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx
< 1305679580 875391 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you copy my line for elliott
< 1305679597 341086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305679635 77122 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he doesn't like me telling him things
< 1305679656 571502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305679670 893335 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah five ones does indeed send a V
< 1305679684 716972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I and V are the only characters right
< 1305679696 655608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe if it's tc you need to insert others, but that's kinda bleh
< 1305679699 642756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(into the initial string)
< 1305679719 516881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the others if you include them shrink quickly to single isolated digits
< 1305679727 623206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're irrelevant good
< 1305679736 846690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can make a nice pretty drawing program ;D
< 1305679738 736318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be treated as simply equivalent to V followed by an atom boundary
< 1305679752 205137 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also that's the sense in which 110 has been proven tc, in case someone missed the reference for some reason)
< 1305679769 430184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these being the _only_ atom boundaries)
< 1305679776 114865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305679854 882551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: now notice that information can only flow leftward in this view
< 1305679862 939359 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted
< 1305679912 765347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that we don't need to worry about what's to the left in order to find out how the blocks themselves evolve.  thus i experimented with throwing away the initial V's at each step
< 1305679928 382013 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl can have poop children to their left and also send a new V to their leftmost block
< 1305679932 889554 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*neighbor
< 1305679964 324025 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty
< 1305679977 618951 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1305679983 791748 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i wanna know how that 110 proof goes
< 1305680034 460700 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan you know the polynomial hierarchy right
< 1305680064 368512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well slightly, it's P^NP, P^P^NP etc. isn't it, and maybe something above that too
< 1305680066 625205 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is sparse if there are only at most p(n) elements of length at most n in it
< 1305680085 600292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's P^NP^NP^NP^NP...
< 1305680099 168968 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P^P^NP = P^NP
< 1305680100 955247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1305680119 662026 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305680172 770235 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you define Sigma_0 = Pi_0 = P, and then Sigma_(i+1) = NP^Sigma_i, Pi_(i+1) = co-Sigma_i
< 1305680185 817068 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of Pi's being clear once i explain the alternative view to this
< 1305680186 105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the details of that 110 proof i just know it's based on finding gliders that interact the way you want, and making a tag system out of them that requires infinite chain of incoming gliders from both left and right
< 1305680233 191377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are diagrams of the gliders on the net
< 1305680257 863420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably on wikipedia, although there was a site that went into some detail of classification)
< 1305680266 580064 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigma_i means you have i alternating quantifiers starting with existential, and Pi_i starts with universal, that is, we have an i-ary predicate, and in Sigma_i we guess the first word w_1, universally quantify over the next w_2, then guess the next and so on, and finally check the predicate for the original input and all the w_i
< 1305680299 913232 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i-ary predicate that's a P language that is
< 1305680331 929824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this fits into how QBF is PSPACE complete
< 1305680350 59422 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NP you guess a string of polynomial length, in Pi_1 you universally quantify over all strings of polynomial length, and in general there's alternation up to some length
< 1305680390 608235 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, although i'm not sure in which exact sense
< 1305680410 142028 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, the polynomial hierarchy is just the union of the Sigma_i
< 1305680424 21140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what you are doing is just bounding the number of quantifier switches in a QBF problem, i think
< 1305680462 804404 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why does not bounding it give you PSPACE, is there a connection between PSPACE and PH?
< 1305680468 31220 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, M-x rot13-other-window
< 1305680472 218493 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than just inclusion
< 1305680475 756113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having the same quantifier several times in sequence doesn't increase the count)
< 1305680506 130334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not bounding means having a polynomial rather than constant bound, i guess
< 1305680522 528003 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also define some intermediate classes, namely Delta_(i + 1) = P^Sigma_i, and Theta_(i + 1) = polynomial deterministic languages except you can do a logarithmic amount of queries to Sigma_i
< 1305680551 94949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they always
< 1305680565 177416 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they always what? define intermediate classes? :P
< 1305680578 341303 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, now i can finally list some results
< 1305680590 395960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here know offhand how SMBC is licensed?
< 1305680592 85404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalize to the max
< 1305680612 723162 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, but i'm not just giving Theta for fun, i'm using it in a second
< 1305680635 64241 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we already know from my previous rants, if there is a sparse co-NP-hard or NP-hard language, then P = NP
< 1305680646 282030 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the polynomial hierarchy collapses to P
< 1305680655 725959 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by induction)
< 1305680657 886968 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1305680660 148426 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1305680678 398580 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for hardness w.r.t. many-one reductions or bounded truth table reductions only
< 1305680683 715723 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :familiar with those?
< 1305680691 568211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go to bed very soon
< 1305680706 580288 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not doing anything complicated, just giving neat results
< 1305680714 624440 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305680734 473657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um as in you have five minutes
< 1305680739 815462 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305680745 829017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't know the details of that 110 proof i just know it's based on finding gliders that interact the way you want, and making a tag system out of them that requires infinite chain of incoming gliders from both left and right
< 1305680748 357053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually proven?
< 1305680749 335233 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well are you familiar with those?
< 1305680754 71411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought thirty was but not one-one-zero
< 1305680756 213908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I mixing those up?
< 1305680766 43281 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is known about 30
< 1305680769 886775 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably mixing up, 110 was the famous proof...
< 1305680772 10934 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not the next on the list even
< 1305680796 658595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with patented wolfram inflation
< 1305680797 128646 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 or something is the next one to be proven re-complete for the problem i just gave
< 1305680811 334427 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one with the dancing mushrooms
< 1305680846 69776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that the totalistic one
< 1305680853 213741 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: many-one reduction from L to L' means you have a deterministic polynomial time turing machine A s.t. w in L iff A(w) in L'
< 1305680895 231821 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded truth table reductions mean you have some constant k such that you have a polynomial turing machine that can do exactly k queries to L', this amounts to just having a truth table
< 1305680920 841706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1305680938 672445 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for turing reductions, that is, having a sparse set S as the oracle, things get slightly more hairy
< 1305680957 843161 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a sparse NP-hard set S w.r.t. turing reductions
< 1305680965 493709 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then PH = Sigma_2
< 1305680972 32707 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, NP^NP)
< 1305680987 196439 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a sparse NP-complete set S w.r.t. turing reductions
< 1305680998 257303 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then PH = Omega_2
< 1305681012 925950 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(logarithmic amount of queries to NP)
< 1305681027 619888 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all
< 1305681042 226493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think you called Omega Theta above
< 1305681049 248892 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did, sorry
< 1305681060 475144 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head it's the actual symbol
< 1305681062 863633 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread
< 1305681063 650122 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305681066 845877 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305681075 15036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thanks and good night
< 1305681080 42804 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup nighties
< 1305681087 580507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1305681102 618838 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :will give the actual proofs once i grasp them a bit better
< 1305681155 445304 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a sparse NP-complete set, the proof is not very hard, but for a hard one, it is not very complete. erm i mean it's pretty complicated.
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< 1305682326 260925 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My linear algebra professor is pretty quick on grading.
< 1305682336 755365 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already got the grade on my final.
< 1305682344 635932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was earlier today.
< 1305682349 510266 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E"
< 1305682366 892795 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ?
< 1305682391 12855 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1305682660 448477 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our cellular automata exam was graded in about 30 minutes
< 1305682669 970018 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again there were like 5 people taking it
< 1305682695 417845 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it does help when you're taking a class with a handful of other people.
< 1305682719 4937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could take that class. it sounds awesome.
< 1305682722 768673 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now just waiting on one more class's grade.
< 1305682763 115804 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cellular automata class was pretty awesome
< 1305682914 719954 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecture notes can be found at http://users.utu.fi/jkari/ca/, highly recommended
< 1305682923 598250 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't really any books on ca
< 1305682984 532607 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone says a new kind of science i'm going to explode :D
< 1305683000 457057 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 should write one.
< 1305683004 411294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: try a new kind of science
< 1305683006 677056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ais does ca?
< 1305683013 76684 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm what does ais know
< 1305683017 613208 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, he's done at least one at the behest of Wolfram.
< 1305683030 881071 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy who wrote those lecture notes should write a book
< 1305683044 31295 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt ais knows even the basics of ca theory
< 1305683061 719429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh?
< 1305683063 483616 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although making specific ca's is of course a very useful skill
< 1305683064 584465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two,three wasn't a ca
< 1305683072 754896 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm sure ais is very good at that
< 1305683079 839179 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it wasn't? Thought it was a CA. Anyways.
< 1305683088 660448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why I said that, anyways.
< 1305683143 486006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna say it too now, so you don't get too self-conscious
< 1305683150 596296 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 should write a book on ca.
< 1305683180 12139 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe finally worky time ->
< 1305683220 674490 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are emacs regexp the same as perl's?
< 1305683284 589512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no
< 1305683294 357135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is older than perl i think anyway
< 1305683295 563867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1305683303 967069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more like posix regexps
< 1305683695 761324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. swedes are the most likely to be immune to HIV? damn you again, swedes!
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< 1305685198 693546 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305685265 462115 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, a perl regex extension.
< 1305685303 964336 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, honestly, I don't really feel like learning an outdated regex syntax..
< 1305685463 697341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many regex syntaxes are there?
< 1305685467 97106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its literally identical
< 1305685470 26755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from \ before ( and ) i think
< 1305685482 782911 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: As many as there are implementations of regular expressions.
< 1305685503 874128 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf pikhq, they all have the basics the same
< 1305685514 146406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :* is always kleene star
< 1305685521 719063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is always a character class
< 1305685522 365065 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they do have a reasonable common subset.
< 1305685542 920281 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helps that they're all pretty much reimplementations of ed regexps.
< 1305685561 590480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could at least do matching of arbitrary r.e.s with that common subset
< 1305685602 915345 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :| requires escaping as well
< 1305685628 25015 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the \ special characters are pretty different.
< 1305685697 53694 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't seem to have lookaround.
< 1305686034 412486 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww, the link is broken. No perl regex in emacs seems to exist.
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< 1305688034 163156 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the Nazis had the most *amazing* hubris.
< 1305688260 335877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write a language that compiles to LSL
< 1305688284 741162 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so great about lsl
< 1305688293 286904 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from it being used in second life
< 1305688299 776761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only thing good about it.
< 1305688347 123316 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question now is what's so great about second life
< 1305688443 131821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual world zomg
< 1305688485 643958 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what could you possibly want to script in it
< 1305688516 537432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo what's the function to form a range sequence in racket
< 1305688518 427122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A helmet that takes you 340 trillion trillion trillion meters up
< 1305688521 440912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for ([i ???]) ...)
< 1305688528 735184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-range
< 1305688536 968491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that
< 1305688550 313527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im making an HQ9+ interpreter dude
< 1305688552 394359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You started making fun of me again when I was pulling my hair out looking for it
< 1305688554 765060 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to go 340 trillion trillion trillion meters up in second life
< 1305688558 949379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep
< 1305688562 595275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except mine is better cuz its an actual racket language
< 1305688568 436973 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap
< 1305688573 200980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305688578 180301 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up on mine when it stopped being fun
< 1305688586 581280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lang reader "hq9+.rkt"
< 1305688587 595274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+
< 1305688590 203074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally a valid program now
< 1305688592 599097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you install it globally
< 1305688594 723854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lang hq9+
< 1305688595 763447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+
< 1305688600 551351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even exports the final accumulator as a module
< 1305688607 599953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' integrated up the ass
< 1305688620 534863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't really read about or absorbed the module system
< 1305688652 18010 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what's better than Second Life?
< 1305688654 754091 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Minecraft*.
< 1305688666 33947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there's no scripting in Minecraft
< 1305688678 431215 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There's Redstone. What else could you want?
< 1305688705 520692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability for redstone to affect any change I want in the area around it
< 1305688713 566271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEATHEN
< 1305688729 38359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pistons
< 1305688754 300374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket's documentation is awesome
< 1305688925 480697 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305689053 735516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo what's the function to concat n sequences
< 1305689740 708252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something ending in -append or -append*?
< 1305689771 760 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it stream-concat
< 1305689788 638887 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what a sequence is but
< 1305689790 207774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stream-append
< 1305689792 246278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305689793 662396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence-append
< 1305689799 907584 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305689811 689061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just thinking now how to handle the ~elegance~
< 1305689813 358481 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that in-range thing said it made a stream I think??
< 1305689830 348347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, streams are sequences
< 1305689856 917308 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I searched for stream concat and found stream-concat I guess
< 1305689864 500725 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should actually learn racket sometime
< 1305689895 264282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream-concat is in one of Racket's SRFI thingies
< 1305689903 108554 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :srfi 41
< 1305689918 119642 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme request for implementation right
< 1305689958 535510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin (possibly implicit): bad syntax (illegal use of `.') in: (begin . #)
< 1305689959 27388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305689963 730086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes
< 1305689984 587701 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket is intimidating
< 1305690001 789153 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much standard library & other extra stuff
< 1305690082 375209 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things with # in them are especially spooky
< 1305690155 252733 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305690236 543636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305690239 303218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does for actually result in anything
< 1305690247 127727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called when an anonymous function can access and read variables bound at the higher level, like a closure, but can't modify them such that the higher level sees the modification?
< 1305690292 171442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i need for/list
< 1305690306 167306 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even sgeo knew to use for/list
< 1305690309 217124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can they still mutate the objects if they're mutable?
< 1305690311 834893 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn from the master
< 1305690312 361894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. append to a list in a higher scope
< 1305690365 248395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Not sure. Let's say yes (Although I want to know the answer for no too)
< 1305690497 574974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then python two scoping is what it is calle
< 1305690497 988809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1305690500 67252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka terrible scoping
< 1305690540 55940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, keep in mind that I am n00bishly trying to imagine how I'd compile a language with lambdas into a language without them
< 1305690574 563685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd make a huge funcall() function, which would accept a string naming the function, a list of bindings for the "closure", and a list of arguments
< 1305690574 665307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, everything works but Q as a FULL RACKET LANGUAGE
< 1305690619 723958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1305690621 345697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just
< 1305690625 402564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform scopes into mutable structures
< 1305690632 43918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pointers to their parent scopes
< 1305690641 357206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a closure be code + scope
< 1305690645 885270 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even want mutability
< 1305690722 194245 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you probably can't optimize the lsl or whatever it is very well to make up for a pure functional language
< 1305690737 390377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think LSL has tail recursion. Easy fix: Functions (after being transformed into something vaguely-CPS-like) just return the next function, instead of calling it
< 1305690760 280677 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trampolining?
< 1305690764 201100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305690770 331675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc what trampolining is
< 1305690803 940605 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also do TCO on it if you have the necessary control structures
< 1305690810 413110 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you probably don't)
< 1305690878 540947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my current vague plan is to go code with continuations -> intermediate language with first class functions in CPS -> LSL
< 1305690893 764860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. hq9+.rkt:11:0: read: expected a `)' to close `('; indentation suggests a missing `)' before line 15; newline within string suggests a missing '"' on line 38
< 1305690899 138682 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> hats that take you into the air
< 1305690901 707496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why do you need continuations
< 1305690909 488190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1305690920 567348 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's useful for making hats or something
< 1305690939 730886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you actually understand what i said about scopes
< 1305690980 563863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not.. really, no... but are you asking just to ask, or do you think it's relevant to why I want continuations (it isn't)
< 1305691001 296217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i was asking because otherwise you're going to implement it terribly?
< 1305691009 565444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im actually surprised you've managed to not understand something that simple, gj
< 1305691709 564632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305691749 250095 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1305691996 917836 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Linnaean taxonomy.
< 1305692000 601419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does anyone still use it?
< 1305692139 166451 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :inertia
< 1305692145 92578 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck inertia.
< 1305692164 986085 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is your country still serving me drinks in some unit called an 'ounce'
< 1305692169 23596 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with an 'ounce'
< 1305692182 181618 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we hate everyone outside the country.
< 1305692196 141116 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in ur country
< 1305692198 262701 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :working ur jobz
< 1305692200 240584 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the unit is a "fluid ounce". Not to be confused with the "dry ounce" or the "ounce".
< 1305692220 466448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: dry ounce archaic)
< 1305692814 163362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh
< 1305692818 404445 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand what you said
< 1305692872 847330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And e left
< 1305693102 80345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use native assignment
< 1305693110 750308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I can't use much of native anything
< 1305693129 853527 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use native while
< 1305693147 615893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, not at the continuation-using -> CPS level)
< 1305693194 888645 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs assignment
< 1305693440 497468 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305693463 422921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL has a lot of issues. I'm not going to deviate that far from the host language
< 1305693474 453284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just fixing the most pressing issue I see.
< 1305693493 141588 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no continuations"
< 1305693501 232386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305693552 68963 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have first-class functions or proper closures or anonymous functions or anything? I imagine that would be a far more pressing issue
< 1305693628 671708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No first class functions or closures or anonymous functions
< 1305693638 141290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those will be added, then continuations on top of that
< 1305693655 298012 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/2i0AfxhS how to make a thing that repeats what others say
< 1305693663 871332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just call a function that gets the last thing said
< 1305693700 333224 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or call a function that takes a closure as a callback
< 1305693714 82286 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awful
< 1305693730 448718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees.
< 1305693740 103205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you were mocking me
< 1305693747 641439 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this is legitimately awful
< 1305694113 7485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, considering that I'm not going to implement "last thing said" but instead "next thing said"...
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< 1305700393 4338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.
< 1305700401 11280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does trampolining require CPS?
< 1305700471 479204 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it requires tail calls so you'd need continuations if you want to do fancy stuff
< 1305700487 500716 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask?
< 1305700549 290869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on making an intermediate language with TCO and first-class functions etc., but can't imagine how outside of a CPS style
< 1305700582 242996 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: convert to CPS
< 1305700600 647883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just do the continuation-passing transform.
< 1305700759 728170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1305700765 542627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has homework he needs to do rght now
< 1305700771 67032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of thinking about this
< 1305700771 771054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1305700891 98137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difficulty: I don't know where any of the papers are
< 1305701036 486910 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305701270 103875 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS? Continuation Passing Style?
< 1305701281 840941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305701589 902152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do if, while, etc. get transformed into functions? I think they _might_
< 1305701612 168176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1305701648 195370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start writing down my thoughts. Or start doing homework, that might be better.
< 1305701776 920183 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean get transformed into functions
< 1305702050 846576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I make a while(somecode, someothercode, args-for-cps...) thing
< 1305702094 917144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't leave a while(){} loop stay a native while(){} loop
< 1305702147 995376 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1305702148 622408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering now if I should make an intermediary language with functional stuff but no TCO, and put TCO+CPS on top of it
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< 1305702250 248196 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305702285 384278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The important thing I think is that I can't do TCO without CPS or visa versa. Doesn't mean I can't do first-class functions without those.
< 1305702364 115701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I ultimately need a funcall kind of function for the functional layer, and I don't want to make another on top of that just... hmmm
< 1305702442 210702 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure TCO just means you make tail calls use/replace the current call frame rather than making a new one (and keeping the old one around until you return, but since it's a tail call you won't be doing anything else, so keeping it around is useless)
< 1305702488 466820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what TCO means, but I can't really implement it without trampolining, and to do trampolining I need CPS
< 1305702489 109776 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCO goes nicely with CPS because iirc CPS means every call is necessarily a tail call
< 1305702500 173091 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't need CPS but
< 1305702508 940940 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd only be able to do the trampolining on tail calls
< 1305702513 658118 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1305702517 532523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, hold on
< 1305702534 516990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, right >.>
< 1305702561 464850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I was mentally applying trampolining to everything, including non-tail-calls
< 1305702607 379226 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for while loops, you don't need them at all
< 1305702614 345633 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use recursion
< 1305702630 108123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My syntax is going to be LSL-like
< 1305702635 192958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With obvious additions
< 1305702643 326299 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) why? (2) what does that mean
< 1305702671 962516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) I want it to be easy for those used to LSL to use. 2) What do you mean, what does it mean? It means I'm not implementing a Scheme
< 1305702728 10619 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean does it seriously have major semantic ramifications
< 1305702765 226522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1305702774 687662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am scrapping the stupid events in place of something else
< 1305702781 303224 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the semantic differences between your language and LSL would be a lot more meaningful than syntax
< 1305702805 940102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my syntax will still have while loops.
< 1305702807 253057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally wouldn't hold onto the old syntax for false familiarity
< 1305702812 122565 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want while loops
< 1305702814 870317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I transform them into something else
< 1305702841 27672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people know how to use them?
< 1305702866 488218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semantics of new language: LSL with first-class functions + TCO + Continuations
< 1305702870 514354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly
< 1305702877 756375 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming people who want to use your language know something or two about those things
< 1305702886 24050 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm assuming people who know those things know about recursion
< 1305702905 372649 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, they might not. I'm hoping my sample code will amaze and astound
< 1305702911 86257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1305702927 196110 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations are sort of not as easy to grasp as recursion
< 1305702949 336028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, but a standard library using them will be
< 1305702982 408282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about first-class functions, closures, &c., then
< 1305702984 798271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, you can just get the next line that will be said in chat with: list line = cpsListen(0, "", NULL_KEY, "")"
< 1305703024 297069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I'll mention those too. Anyone who wants to use them can use them.
< 1305703028 800634 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, is while going to be specially handled by your compiler or just a macro
< 1305703038 906660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specially handled
< 1305703043 19559 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305703286 318670 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can implement it in terms of if and whatever recursion deal you use, so I wouldn't worry about it
< 1305703370 619964 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for if, I think the simplest way to do it is if you implement it as a primitive operation that takes a boolean and two continuations, and evaluates to the corresponding continuation
< 1305704012 506058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pregnant
< 1305704015 638611 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​194)  Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant.   what whaaaaaaaaaaaat \ 195)  the pregnant ones are usually taken already. \ 235)  (had real world issues)   (to deal with)   Vorpal's pregnant.   yes
< 1305704143 48104 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1305704308 593740 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-16-83.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote birth
< 1305704310 177222 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​160)  anmaster gonna give him a birthday bj?    IF ONLY I COULD FIND MY PHONE \ 259)  And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) \ 350) 
< 1305704338 796817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGODULES _what_?
< 1305704349 219553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 350
< 1305704350 612539 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​350)  elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate.
< 1305704366 758759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes pregnant
< 1305704368 454972 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25433
< 1305704394 437446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes birth
< 1305704395 648527 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9871
< 1305704414 722330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor Fix your `quote
< 1305704414 830065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1305705231 210389 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was it broken now?
< 1305705404 273487 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also that @tell is one of the worst bug reports ever.)
< 1305705511 161104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305705528 323773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there's more to the birth stuff than shown n canenl
< 1305705529 587589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel
< 1305705551 381195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell `quote birth doesn't show all birth quotes.
< 1305705551 463184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1305705557 348422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms
< 1305705565 890842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor  `quote birth doesn't show all birth quotes.
< 1305705565 972540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1305705647 214950 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hardly think IRC's message length limit is Gregor's fault.
< 1305705662 871860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could give some indication that it has been reached...
< 1305705907 635339 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even that is not really something the `quote command should worry about. (It doesn't do that wrapping to one line with \s either.)
< 1305705944 258179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, HackEgo should worry bout it then
< 1305705945 34513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about
< 1305706023 191778 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dead
< 1305706024 709680 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​225)  it seems that CUIL is dead \ 367)  haha, god made one helluva blunder there :DS   "WHOOPS HE AIN'T DEAD YET!"   "luckily no one will believe him because christians are such annoying retards"
< 1305706029 740801 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hug
< 1305706031 454370 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​314)  back to legal tender, that expression really makes me daydream. Like, there'd be black-market tender. Out-of-town hug shops where people exchange tenderness you've NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
< 1305709213 515240 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1305709593 453197 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading that CA lecture from a while back and it got me thinking, anyone ever played around with hexagonal CAs?
< 1305709614 411029 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use mirek's cellebration and the direction weighted rules to write one
< 1305709646 277907 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect it wouldn't be too interesting without diagonals
< 1305709722 854138 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yeah, it'd be really claustrophobic
< 1305711740 141128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305714126 903758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305714372 439756 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone about
< 1305714422 284392 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm messing around with some openGL for a university assignment, and I'm running into a really weird behaviour. Only half of my scene is receiving diffuse/specular light
< 1305714467 134214 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, my light is directional for some reason
< 1305714472 513837 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's doing it, because I never set it to be one
< 1305715376 122567 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305716281 608315 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305716287 284979 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently all I had to do was specify normal vectors
< 1305716322 323238 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305716583 793833 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do remember to enable GL_NORMALIZE or GL_RESCALE_NORMAL if you intend to use a modelview matrix that has scaling in it, to avoid non-unit-length-normal related lighting issues.
< 1305718182 98439 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305720212 877418 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305720733 953401 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I'll do that
< 1305720822 180998 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't find GL_RESCALE_NORMAL so going with the first
< 1305721893 526774 :HolyBlood!jassumjas@77.29.10.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305721981 274305 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first is potentially slower. (But also works when the modelview matrix has nonuniform scaling.)
< 1305722014 325868 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Neither's needed if you don't scale at all and always provide unit-length normals.)
< 1305722517 91153 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :next part's going to be tough: I have to model the sydney opera house using NURBS
< 1305722527 112369 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. create something that, if you squint at it funny, looks like you were trying to make the sydney opera house
< 1305722608 329623 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to use nurbs as in what commands activate it in opengl, I don't know how to use nurbs as in 'if I want a shape like THIS then I set control points and knot vectors like THIS and dun'
< 1305722751 3367 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I was reading that CA lecture from a while back and it got me thinking, anyone ever played around with hexagonal CAs?" <<< in what sense?
< 1305722762 391374 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d ca on a hexagona grid?
< 1305722788 470198 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CA that instead of having a chessboard topology has a hexagonal topology, yeah
< 1305722795 229530 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of those is easily seen to be conjugate to a normal 2d ca
< 1305722805 524652 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought about it for a bit and it was really...constrained, with 6 neighbours vs 8
< 1305722806 348650 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1305722808 601500 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful about the use of "topology" there
< 1305722834 170418 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that "topology" usually refers to the actual topology of the space of configurations
< 1305722840 348952 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather different
< 1305722867 844872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: usually CA can have an arbitrarily large neighborhood
< 1305722897 74324 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305722955 609794 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if you don't have that, if F is an arbitrary CA with arbitrary nbhd size, you can find a subshift S and a CA G with a "radius 1" neighborhood operating on S such that (S, G) is conjugate to your CA F. conjugate means "is essentially the same CA" and subshift means you don't take all possible starting configurations, but a natural subset
< 1305722984 684986 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a bit hard to internalize but i just gave an hour long lecture so not feeling particularly ranty
< 1305723067 663700 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what i just said was that the CA that only look at their nextdoor neighbors when deciding on the new state are essentially the same thing as all CA
< 1305723080 597313 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm...
< 1305723085 639145 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're all turing complete, I guess?
< 1305723100 606970 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can always find another CA that can compute the same things?
< 1305723102 143650 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite
< 1305723106 794487 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather your latter statement
< 1305723148 272043 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for instance consider this
< 1305723156 920494 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a 1d ca that has neighborhood radius 3
< 1305723182 753639 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its local function, when deciding the new state at position x, looks at x-3, x-2, x-1, x, x+1, x+2 and x+3
< 1305723201 626540 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now call the finite set of states S
< 1305723221 271157 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the states you use in the configurations, in game of life those S = {0, 1})
< 1305723224 556181 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-those
< 1305723236 933811 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can construct another CA as follows
< 1305723252 744647 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the new states take S^6
< 1305723300 867512 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the idea is the new state of (x_1, ..., x_6)
< 1305723326 200659 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be computed by just looking at the left and right neighbor, and the old state of (x_1, ..., x_6)
< 1305723381 968094 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we think of the configuration ...(x_1, ..., x_6)(y_1, ..., y_6)(z_1, ..., z_6)... as being a "compressed" version of ... x_1 ... x_6 y_1 ... y_6 z_1 ... z_6 ...
< 1305723385 610977 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make any sense?
< 1305723423 345842 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll gladly explain notation if that's unclear
< 1305723489 2538 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :S^6 means you're having ^6 as many states, so you can represent all the possible combinations of x-3, x-2...etc in just one spot?
< 1305723495 952890 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry
< 1305723501 847455 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S^6 is just standard mathematical notation
< 1305723503 496515 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305723511 787216 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means SxSxSxSxSxS where x is cartesian product
< 1305723519 250888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305723526 106540 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, set multiplication
< 1305723532 71019 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so S^6 means we group 6 states into one.
< 1305723534 580591 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305723535 273645 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305723541 931324 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1305723554 854225 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you've grouped 6 states into one, a rule with radius 3 only needs to look at the nextdoor neighbors
< 1305723555 86357 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even realise there was a channel called #
< 1305723563 917543 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a channel called #
< 1305723568 315229 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have made some sort of typo, as I ended up joining it automatically when I started this webclient
< 1305723582 798023 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if anyone there was there deliberately, there were about 15 people
< 1305723589 604917 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's interesting, but things get WAY more interesting than that
< 1305723599 811740 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably set up as a hipster establishment
< 1305723612 647467 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 'cool club for cool people who know that you can have channels called bizzare non-things'
< 1305723771 2697 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cool kats
< 1305723776 627375 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't leave that unharnassed
< 1305723791 748136 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case as i said the hexagonal grid is just the 2D CA, but in fact people have done research on CA running on weirdly shaped configurations, iirc the garden of eden theorem for instance has been generalized for all automatic groups by this famous blind guy
< 1305723839 803477 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :garden of eden theorem = CA is surjective iff it's locally injective
< 1305723848 211472 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surjective meaning all configurations have a preimage
< 1305723864 418340 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and locally injective meaning there cannot be two configurations that have the same image and only differ in a finite amount of cells
< 1305723911 568519 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and image of configuration c of course means G(c) where G is your automaton, and similarly for preimage)
< 1305723957 347719 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic group = certain kind of group, not very restrictive afaiu
< 1305723986 632391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are patterns in the game of life that collapse into the same thing, e.g. if you just add a random on cell out in the middle of nowhere
< 1305723989 42063 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not surjective
< 1305724001 500258 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite group is the natural place to run a CA, it means an infinite graph that looks the same no matter where you look
< 1305724011 725309 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: yes!
< 1305724016 992783 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1305724030 301751 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact it is very hard to show GoL is surjective without the garden of eden theorem
< 1305724050 955342 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smallest pattern without a preimage (proving nonsurjectivity) is of size more than 10x10
< 1305724072 268541 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even after you find that it's certainly not easy to show it doesn't have a preimage)
< 1305724092 522806 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of surprising it has to be that large
< 1305724106 839021 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one says it has to be large
< 1305724111 265339 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1305724113 138852 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the game of life
< 1305724114 700088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest KNOWN pattern
< 1305724116 366775 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305724131 800234 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I mean, you'd think there'd be a trivial example
< 1305724154 787638 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what patterns in the game of life turns into an arbitrarily big square of on cells?
< 1305724166 691809 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would, but this is how it usually goes, hard to show nonsurjectivity, but easy to show local noninjectivity, which is proven to be equal to nonsurjectivity by the theory
< 1305724174 889331 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the smallest pattern with no known preimage?
< 1305724180 871565 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden_(cellular_automaton)
< 1305724186 785375 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's different from the smallest known pattern with no preimage)
< 1305724190 51683 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1305724191 60799 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1305724208 373301 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it's easy to check whether something of size smaller than 10x10 has a preimage
< 1305724219 127323 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via brute force?
< 1305724221 649222 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there probably isn't a known example of something we don't know a preimage for
< 1305724223 446283 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes
< 1305724229 959317 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1305724234 275121 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easy enough
< 1305724256 435306 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: who's right?
< 1305724262 992858 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof of the garden of eden theorem seems similar to the pigeonhole principle
< 1305724281 228350 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pretty much is, isn't it?
< 1305724288 463834 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've probably proven it here some time
< 1305724293 658251 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhow the 1D case is very easy
< 1305724308 502359 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the finite case is also very easy
< 1305724319 583446 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lecture notes i linked earlier have a very nice illustration of the proof for a 1D automaton
< 1305724322 270100 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what does that mean?
< 1305724343 898413 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean CA running on a finite group? :D
< 1305724350 131029 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: or on a finite playfield
< 1305724353 344450 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Life on a torus
< 1305724370 287869 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then it's trivial that surjectivity = injectivity of course
< 1305724375 991844 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ep
< 1305724378 230640 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yep
< 1305724383 375282 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the proof is even easier
< 1305724387 112793 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and injectivity = local injectivity by definition
< 1305724399 147918 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier, yes, but that's just set theory
< 1305724415 300669 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing CA specific about it
< 1305724417 289506 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even be possible to prove in pure category theory
< 1305724421 561966 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the infinite cases
< 1305724437 271212 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_%26_Night I've always found this to be a very cool CA
< 1305724445 636141 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as vibrant as the game of life
< 1305724449 380956 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and symmetric
< 1305724476 495523 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's kind of pretty
< 1305724483 685016 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: can C have monads?
< 1305724490 314785 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you download mirek's cellebration it has lots of examples for day and night
< 1305724503 355404 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparkers of lots of periods, spaceships, spaceship guns, novas...
< 1305724506 399168 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: I think pretty much any language can, but in C they'd be so awkward to express in a functional way that it probably wouldn't be worth it
< 1305724520 108543 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the theorem that CA = continuous shift commuting functions on any playfield can be proven by just using category theory
< 1305724539 424733 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it sounds like the sort of thing that would eb
< 1305724540 31599 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be
< 1305724567 176529 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every CA is obviously continuous and shift commuting, but the other direction was one of the first results in CA theory
< 1305724575 648580 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays considered trivial
< 1305724586 866418 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what would a monad do in an imperative language?
< 1305724591 610713 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I was thinking "isn't that obvious? oh right"
< 1305724599 55903 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: let's make it easier and take an imperative, functional language like python
< 1305724601 885763 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: control computation flow
< 1305724610 935082 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but like
< 1305724611 953896 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a simple example that came up in my job recently
< 1305724619 238187 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that look in python?
< 1305724620 931359 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok go on
< 1305724621 211972 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it that in openGL you define normals on vertices, not surfaces...
< 1305724626 242749 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I have a set of constraints, and I want to transform them into a simpler set of constraints
< 1305724633 271015 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i doubt it's obvious to people who don't know the topology of the configuration space at least
< 1305724635 670073 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the constraints are useless things like 0 <= 0 that I want to delete
< 1305724636 356764 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know it?
< 1305724643 370201 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no
< 1305724647 425854 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised it was only obvious in one direction
< 1305724651 171607 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305724657 208124 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: because normals on higher-dimension cells are just interpolations.
< 1305724665 622496 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: and some of the other constraints are things like xy = 0, which I want to transform into x = 0 and y = 0
< 1305724670 701965 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you can't interpolate when you go to a lower dimension.
< 1305724688 514697 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topology is such that continuity of G essentially means "if you change something in c, the image of G(c) only changes in a finite amount of places"
< 1305724708 471941 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you mean x = 0 or y = 0
< 1305724711 853696 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: but ok, go on
< 1305724716 11380 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: err, right
< 1305724717 627149 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not quite what it means, but close enough
< 1305724721 496210 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual example was more complicated
< 1305724725 635823 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it needs to be an and for this to work
< 1305724726 150581 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305724748 838687 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say, xy <= z implies x <= z and y <= z, as I was working with positive integers at the time
< 1305724752 555836 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one's correct
< 1305724764 856515 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I did, when I was writing in OCaml, was I wrote a function that took a constraint as an argument, and returned a list of constraints
< 1305724765 22266 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't
< 1305724772 82138 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for positive integers, right?
< 1305724776 47460 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1305724780 240196 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterexample?
< 1305724791 191511 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 <= 1, 2 > 1, 0.5 < 1
< 1305724796 73066 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305724802 636565 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when was 0.5 a positive integer?
< 1305724806 599850 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how this discussion has turned to the arbitrary examples being wrong therefore you are wrong
< 1305724808 559763 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *integers*
< 1305724810 263785 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1305724821 119888 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, then it's obviously true :D
< 1305724826 380374 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok go on please
< 1305724831 154168 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: nah, it's just trying to get things straight otherwise the examples wouldn't work well
< 1305724834 317851 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's take that example, it is correct
< 1305724839 391109 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305724841 185299 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: well that's called a counterexample
< 1305724857 116002 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a universal quantifier in ais523_'s statement
< 1305724863 860505 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I have this function, let's call it transformConstraints, which transforms 0<=0 into [] and xy<=z into [x<=z; y<=z]
< 1305724872 377738 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just need a specific example for which it doesn't hold to disprove it
< 1305724883 576223 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what I do, is I apply it to every element of my constraints, so I write List.concat (List.map transformConstraints constraints)
< 1305724891 432006 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I realised I'd written a monad
< 1305724908 443890 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there's no actual reason for the constraints to be in a list, as the order isn't relevant
< 1305724916 22178 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although after you made the connection GoL locally noninjective => GoL nonsurjective, maybe i shouldn't assume you're an idiot
< 1305724916 439982 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just as easily have used a set, or a multiset, or whatever
< 1305724930 478181 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Logos/comments/hdzll/reddit_logos_for_the_72_hour_countdown_for_the/
< 1305724950 185404 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bible Guarantees It!
< 1305724956 330929 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ok, go on
< 1305724960 521421 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was basically writing a monad action there
< 1305724969 925979 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take a number of possible computation paths, and transform each into a set of others
< 1305724991 588941 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit better do this.
< 1305724999 406367 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, in the case of Maybe, if you get Nothing as input you produce Nothing as output, always, if you get Just x you produce either Just y or Nothing as output
< 1305725012 513047 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of List and Set, you can produce multiple outputs, each of which is then treated independently from then on
< 1305725033 887695 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the List monad, you have concatMap as >>=, and \x -> [x] as return
< 1305725076 98486 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what I was doing in that OCaml code; if I couldn't transform a constraint I left it alone (i.e. calling return), if I could I returned 0 or 1 or more results, and I concatMaped them together
< 1305725113 329267 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, if I was working in Haskell, I could just have transformed 0<=0 into mzero and xy<=z into x<=z `mplus` y<=z
< 1305725119 339671 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it'd have worked in any MonadPlus at all
< 1305725140 678099 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the difference between MonadPlus and Monad is that in MonadPlus, there's also an operator `mplus` for combining multiple outputs)
< 1305725148 416370 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (return x<=z `mplus` return y<=z)
< 1305725171 590457 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, I could have run transformConstraints in any MonadPlus at all, and it wouldn't be constrained to lists
< 1305725189 454473 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there, there's a situation where I used a monad in OCaml, and didn't even notice until after I'd written the program
< 1305725209 15515 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do it on trees too?
< 1305725211 181427 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do exactly the same thing in Python, again quite easily by mistake
< 1305725225 754153 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with trees is that they don't quite have the same sort of structure
< 1305725241 626127 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1305725243 965785 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all monads really do is add an "a before b" structure to expression evaluation; that's how the list knows which order it should end up in
< 1305725247 852314 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no never mind
< 1305725252 852056 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to know about trees
< 1305725257 544704 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead answer this:
< 1305725263 931128 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : I take a number of possible computation paths << you do?
< 1305725268 61748 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'd instead written (return y<=z `mplus` return x<=z), it would output a diffeerent way round
< 1305725277 2157 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these computation paths?
< 1305725281 265741 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: well, I'm not just transforming one constraint, but many
< 1305725289 702072 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so?
< 1305725296 417539 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does that take us?
< 1305725312 356263 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the version of transformConstraint I wrote took only one constraint as an argument, and I had to pass it to concatMap in order to make it take more
< 1305725320 73676 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really wanted to transform a list of constraints
< 1305725345 8581 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each of those can be thought of as a separate computation
< 1305725362 774976 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're each treated independently
< 1305725376 105076 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle set
< 1305725376 244119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Set
< 1305725376 325916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Set data Set a
< 1305725376 325995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.Browser setAllowBasicAuth :: Bool -> BrowserAction t ()
< 1305725391 333894 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my homework is i have to prove predicates and implications form a lattice, in HOL
< 1305725395 110386 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle x -> (Set x)
< 1305725395 327508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Set singleton :: a -> Set a
< 1305725395 432381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Set deleteMax :: Set a -> Set a
< 1305725395 514419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Set deleteMin :: Set a -> Set a
< 1305725405 435425 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexy
< 1305725430 314224 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, now I have to remember which of lift and liftM is which
< 1305725431 443674 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll cheat
< 1305725437 843165 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lift
< 1305725438 451888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Ambiguous occurrence `lift'
< 1305725438 547045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either `Control.Monad.Error.lift', imported from Control.Monad.Error
< 1305725438 628958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          or `Control.Monad.Logic.lift', imported from Control.Monad.Logic
< 1305725443 713514 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftM
< 1305725444 284526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a1 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> r) -> m a1 -> m r
< 1305725469 312515 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Haskell function that takes a -> M x to M a -> M x?
< 1305725496 737240 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Monad M => (a -> M b) -> (M a -> M b)
< 1305725496 975324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: a -> M b -> M a -> M b /count=20
< 1305725497 72275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b
< 1305725497 154252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b
< 1305725546 932095 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm confused now
< 1305725572 230545 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (=<<) singleton 4
< 1305725572 894342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `singleton'
< 1305725578 99804 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a tired
< 1305725578 221447 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (=<<) Data.Set.singleton 4
< 1305725578 803620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Data.Set.singleton'
< 1305725588 887898 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (=<<) (\x -> [x]) 4
< 1305725589 474791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a])
< 1305725589 555961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `e_14' at  *) a (t :: (* -> *) -> * -> *). (Control.Monad.Logic.MonadTrans t, Monad m) => m a -> t m a
< 1305725635 431046 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LiftM2?
< 1305725640 688578 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2?
< 1305725642 362503 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (m m a) -> (m a)
< 1305725642 605590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative unwrapMonad :: WrappedMonad m a -> m a
< 1305725642 687498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Regex.Base.RegexLike getAllMatches :: AllMatches f b -> f b
< 1305725642 687583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Regex.Base.RegexLike getAllSubmatches :: AllSubmatches f b -> f b
< 1305725647 983339 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftM2
< 1305725648 663881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a1 a2 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r
< 1305725662 360826 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: that and liftM are just wrapping a normal function into a monad
< 1305725682 955402 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm being stupid
< 1305725702 262854 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm looking for is id, because I forgot how monads worked
< 1305725713 584825 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah it was =<<
< 1305725714 904887 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways
< 1305725718 104405 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right ok
< 1305725792 467422 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> if x = 2 then [2,3] else [x]) in do {a <- f 4; f a}
< 1305725792 979321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `='
< 1305725805 712517 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm muddling Haskell and OCaml
< 1305725828 48437 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t if
< 1305725828 685475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1305725840 83624 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x = 2) then [2,3] else [x])) in do {a <- f 4; f a}
< 1305725840 693787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `='
< 1305725847 21042 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then [2,3] else [x])) in do {a <- f 4; f a}
< 1305725847 586949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [4]
< 1305725853 83532 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then [2,3] else [x])) in do {a <- f 2; f a}
< 1305725854 76474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,3]
< 1305725856 792295 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1305725872 947907 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = [2, 3] if x is 2 else [x] in do {a <- f 4; f a}
< 1305725873 632117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `if'
< 1305725875 754579 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then 2 `mplus` 3 else mzero)) in do {a <- f 2; f a}
< 1305725876 448719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instances for (GHC.Num.Num (m a), GHC.Num.Num (m b))
< 1305725876 529602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a u...
< 1305725885 984815 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then 2 `mplus` 3 else mzero)) in do {a <- f 2; f a} :: [Int]
< 1305725886 540099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Int])
< 1305725886 621658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `f' ...
< 1305725887 659759 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = [2, 3] if x == 2 else [x] in do {a <- f 4; f a}
< 1305725888 270132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `if'
< 1305725890 650601 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305725891 91694 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf.
< 1305725896 944035 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2
< 1305725897 539833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1305725901 375889 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then 2 `mplus` 3 else mzero)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: [Int]
< 1305725902 67692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Int])
< 1305725902 149533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `f' ...
< 1305725906 148228 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then 2 `mplus` 3 else mzero)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: [Integer]
< 1305725906 739141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Integer.Type.Integer])
< 1305725906 820914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a ...
< 1305725907 461027 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2 if 2 == x else 3
< 1305725912 520670 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2 if 2 == 2 else 3
< 1305725920 306999 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 if 2 == 2 else 3
< 1305725920 861165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `if'
< 1305725923 271623 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: it's if a == b then c else d
< 1305725931 83262 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> if 2 == 2 then 3 else 4
< 1305725931 738442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1305725938 270640 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34F48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305725938 906452 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got muddled because OCaml uses = not ==
< 1305725942 176430 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34F48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host
< 1305725942 258320 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305725965 569516 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then 2 `mplus` 3 else mzero)) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305725966 217312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a])
< 1305725966 298417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `f' at  let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (2 `mplus` 3) else mzero)) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305725983 713731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [a])
< 1305725983 794925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `f' at  let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else mzero)) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305726036 132620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3]
< 1305726037 21811 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same mistake I made and corrected earlier
< 1305726055 151210 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, hmm, I expected [2,3,3] there
< 1305726066 346312 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then [2,3] else [x])) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305726067 34096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,3]
< 1305726074 110171 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the map id stuff is just to force it to interpret the output as a list)
< 1305726083 250814 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh
< 1305726090 490303 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305726091 295432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,3]
< 1305726095 265870 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then [2,3] else [x])) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305726095 841132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,3]
< 1305726106 339094 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnarl too
< 1305726111 853703 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two lines are identical, except that the second one (which is very similar to my OCaml) uses only lists
< 1305726116 239652 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first can handle any MonadPlus
< 1305726120 412864 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: is that available online somewhere?
< 1305726132 168724 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only as a windows app?
< 1305726139 841467 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: Maybe Int
< 1305726140 521368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just 2
< 1305726154 535237 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, Maybe can handle it, but only tracks one of the possible answers, because that's what Mabe does
< 1305726160 460826 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: Data.Set Int
< 1305726161 149825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: type constructor or class `Data.Set'
< 1305726170 180317 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> import Data.Set; let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: Data.Set Int
< 1305726170 804981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `import'
< 1305726181 130023 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then ([2] `mplus` [3]) else return x)) in map id (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305726181 833853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,3]
< 1305726183 179910 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, what's the syntax in Haskell to use a particular library?
< 1305726196 119873 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::m +Stuff
< 1305726208 562867 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ghci syntax
< 1305726212 536620 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno then
< 1305726216 218860 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck at haskells
< 1305726217 419107 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the language itself
< 1305726229 57726 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> using Data.Set; let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: Data.Set Int
< 1305726229 677151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `;'
< 1305726270 387065 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently it is "import"
< 1305726296 473850 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {import Data.Set; let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: Data.Set Int}
< 1305726297 144673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `{'
< 1305726316 895069 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> import Data.Set, let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a}) :: Data.Set Int
< 1305726317 554025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `import'
< 1305726325 593091 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__, try http://psoup.math.wisc.edu/mcell/mjcell/mjcell.html
< 1305726329 838132 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = (\x -> (if (x == 2) then (return 2 `mplus` return 3) else return x)) in (do {a <- f 2; f a})
< 1305726330 627974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m b))
< 1305726330 710116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `M6596097177...
< 1305726347 88905 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's what I expected
< 1305726354 825121 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happened there was, I gave it a function that would run in any MonadPlus and didn't tell it which to use
< 1305726368 757218 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being Haskell, it happily calculated the function anyway and then didn't know how to display it onscreen
< 1305726426 425303 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does that quite a lot
< 1305726431 440077 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id
< 1305726432 186781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a)
< 1305726432 268904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1305726443 440979 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if haskell supports openGL :P
< 1305726573 397552 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305726748 764257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are bindings
< 1305726753 430614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is the FFI after all
< 1305726800 540023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mplus
< 1305726801 236273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadPlus m) => m a -> m a -> m a
< 1305726809 245262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, what is MonadPlus?
< 1305726877 789036 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1305727024 185020 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t MonadPlus
< 1305727024 720824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `MonadPlus'
< 1305727258 994274 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t =>
< 1305727259 621168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `=>'
< 1305727266 529313 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ==
< 1305727267 202603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `=='
< 1305727270 462185 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (==)
< 1305727271 30140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => a -> a -> Bool
< 1305727273 812900 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (=>)
< 1305727274 436819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `=>'
< 1305727297 221981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>=)
< 1305727297 357870 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can I not PM the bot with this stuff?
< 1305727297 822840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Ord a) => a -> a -> Bool
< 1305727298 405891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1305727302 741557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1305727306 566208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305727322 568023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, you can run this in ghci
< 1305727328 134672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would the use of that be
< 1305727352 27478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i MonadPlus
< 1305727356 350115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnm
< 1305727358 256067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm*
< 1305727363 469395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't do :i
< 1305727369 692121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src MonadPlus
< 1305727369 849158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found.
< 1305727375 71589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle MonadPlus
< 1305727375 178561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad class Monad m => MonadPlus m
< 1305727379 840373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle mplus
< 1305727379 996212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mplus :: MonadPlus m => m a -> m a -> m a
< 1305727384 316007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src mplus
< 1305727384 397834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :(
< 1305727409 139694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Control.Monad> :i MonadPlus
< 1305727409 258874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Monad m) => MonadPlus m where
< 1305727409 340774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mzero :: m a
< 1305727409 340940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mplus :: m a -> m a -> m a
< 1305727409 341051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :        -- Defined in Control.Monad
< 1305727409 842798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance MonadPlus [] -- Defined in Control.Monad
< 1305727411 654809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance MonadPlus Maybe -- Defined in Control.Monad
< 1305727414 564737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
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< 1305727813 701373 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: MonadPlus is basically the class of monads where it's a meaningful operation for an action to produce more or less than 1 result
< 1305727830 476122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305727830 597964 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305727847 3645 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in List, there's no problem with producing multiple results from one calculation, they can just become multiple list elements
< 1305727865 197257 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in Maybe, it's fine for a computation to not produce a result as you can just put Nothing there and stop the calculation at that point
< 1305727866 559073 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i got disconnected
< 1305727869 710822 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in, say, IO, it would be meaningless
< 1305727884 428741 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :last thing i got was  cheater__, try http://psoup.math.wisc.edu/mcell/mjcell/mjcell.html
< 1305727890 476353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305727907 8658 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: don't worry, we got sidetracked and didn't talk about anything relevant in between
< 1305727923 362355 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so
< 1305727927 894100 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you getting at?
< 1305727938 17232 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that return is the same as constructing the monadic computation?
< 1305727946 836760 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that some things have mplus defined?
< 1305727954 196054 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much
< 1305727971 295102 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :composing return with a function makes it into a monad action that returns one result
< 1305727984 957652 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason why monad actions are useful is that they don't necessarily have to be defined in terms of return
< 1305728008 747397 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mplus gives you a way to return more than one result (likewise, mzero to return no results)
< 1305728022 233517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305728033 927564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, going to make food
< 1305728067 476849 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how were you composing return?
< 1305728090 940876 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : and what I do, is I apply it to every element of my constraints, so I write List.concat (List.map transformConstraints constraints)
< 1305728124 333180 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh trasformConstraints was using return?
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< 1305729401 500256 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: yes
< 1305729412 821372 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in disguise in the OCaml program (where I wrote [a] rather than return a)
< 1305729558 453776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1305730793 381215 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 .
< 1305731382 219714 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :Guest75185
< 1305732259 899245 :Guest75185!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable
< 1305732907 235468 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: could we make a monadic generalizer?
< 1305732924 319090 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: say we have a computation which isn't monadic. the generalizer takes that and makes it monadic.
< 1305732949 701447 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: in the trivial sense, yes, you can just compose the function with return
< 1305732971 725464 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, though, not if you want to do anything that actually uses the monadic structure
< 1305732979 407778 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as?
< 1305732980 702699 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because monads inherently have a notion of before and after
< 1305732984 322239 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas functions don't
< 1305733005 705778 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's fine
< 1305733006 991372 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like
< 1305733020 49369 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :many functions will just end up being >>= or something
< 1305733035 346393 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on what you mean by making a computation monadic in the first place
< 1305733119 117010 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t >>=
< 1305733119 745654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `>>='
< 1305733124 447754 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=)
< 1305733125 108157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b
< 1305733152 217968 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!src (>>=)::([a] -> (a -> [b]) -> b)
< 1305733161 614268 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, wrong prefix
< 1305733164 491771 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (>>=)::([a] -> (a -> [b]) -> b)
< 1305733164 573769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I am sorry.
< 1305733170 78332 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (>>=):([a] -> (a -> [b]) -> b)
< 1305733170 177347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My mind is going. I can feel it.
< 1305733173 604194 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you want a on both
< 1305733185 6255 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap
< 1305733185 692127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> [b]) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1305733188 671836 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305733197 928944 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1305733289 423807 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of my OCaml program, I just noticed that I'd written a concatMap, and that I was using lists a lot
< 1305733300 422799 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought "hey, I think I wrote a monad action by mistake"
< 1305733316 243850 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that writing one of those is a bad thing, especially not in a program where that's the right thing to do
< 1305733337 97839 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell, it would have been trivial to generalise to arbitrary monads at that point, which would help if I ever wanted to change to, say, sets
< 1305733360 640428 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sets sound like a much better idea, tbh.
< 1305733371 976269 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1305733379 496597 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, though, that your program's polymorphic over all of them
< 1305733388 373889 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it more general
< 1305733405 513329 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether that's irrelevant, or massively useful, depends on precisely what you're doing
< 1305733421 476292 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you're writing a library, being polymorphic over monads is really good as it cuts down on the glue code your user will have to write
< 1305733501 469721 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1305733509 872187 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but um
< 1305733715 482346 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing stuff that's too general can end up being a bad thing too, can't it
< 1305733729 66419 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it gets so general people can't think of the application you had in mind in the first place ...
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< 1305739507 473119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan
< 1305739515 287990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day
< 1305739633 170203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit
< 1305739737 623432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye oerjan
< 1305739957 219032 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd quit too if you gave me a cold welcome like that
< 1305741355 659204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name a vaguely-interesting web program that does not require https.
< 1305741355 740834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1305741359 677696 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf
< 1305741418 42589 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: define "web program"
< 1305741421 385716 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan egojoust hasn't been used in months, that code was known buggy.
< 1305741421 467589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1305741428 22291 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean a "webapp" in the SaaS sense?
< 1305741430 494268 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: Thing you found on the web that has some JS behavior :P
< 1305741435 638734 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1305741450 354601 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even www.google.com is a webapp, it's just not the most interesting one (arguably)
< 1305741452 418960 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newgrounds
< 1305741470 734778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1305741471 593704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat...
< 1305741499 236161 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wolfgang lambda
< 1305741503 390057 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's a good one
< 1305741525 571294 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, unrelated but interesting: http://www.ludism.org/mentat/
< 1305741544 11788 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, I think it has to be something people actually use too.
< 1305741564 817046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What are you asking for? :P
< 1305741575 60119 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Name a vaguely-interesting web program that does not require https.
< 1305741603 916906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know that.
< 1305741612 243195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean that the question is impossible to answer well without knowing why you're asking :P
< 1305741626 990990 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making benchmarks.
< 1305741640 718862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can actually access gmail over non-https...
< 1305741646 508583 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not any more.
< 1305741651 329208 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to see if I can tackle google docs, but it absolutely cannot be used without https either.
< 1305741653 582929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305741659 471459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you do https out of curiosity?
< 1305741671 182741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Node HTTP proxy + HTTPS = lol
< 1305741688 303191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
< 1305741690 353022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmm
< 1305741691 222813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmmm
< 1305741691 900132 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers insist on the PROXY having a properly-signed blah blah blah bullshit key.
< 1305741692 542863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1305741693 283592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm
< 1305741694 222604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1305741694 962880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1305741695 468490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1305741695 808547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1305741702 136779 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I need a key signed by e.g. Thawte for ... localhost.
< 1305741716 172895 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL Markdown is "parsed" by regex
< 1305741716 254926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Isn't there that CA that everyone trusts that gives 'em out for free
< 1305741719 522538 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it's so awful
< 1305741729 51840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or you could use one of the mdfive 'sploits, though I doubt anyone trusts the relevant CA any more :)
< 1305741730 844231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but it won't give you a cert for LOCALHOST :P
< 1305741737 288092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Markdown-the-syntax isn't that awful
< 1305741743 993561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and most people don't use Markdown.pl
< 1305741746 880409 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in some ways
< 1305741754 809871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's not /that/ awful
< 1305741765 79930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than, e.g. DocBook :P
< 1305741779 994801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could get a cert for lolthisispointedatmymachine.codu.org :P
< 1305741783 671383 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a wiki that has markdown syntax sometimes
< 1305741785 450980 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spose ...
< 1305741791 519742 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its internal links are something bizarre like [link]()
< 1305741794 213923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Man, I'm having trouble thinking of anything >_>
< 1305741796 761173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a total luddite
< 1305741798 66117 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have that backwards in at least two different ways
< 1305741800 466973 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's irrelevant, suffice to say it's a pain, I want non-https :P
< 1305741803 32696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: That's just a hack around the fact that markdown doesn't have wikilink syntax :P
< 1305741806 866510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be rewriting href="
< 1305741807 912492 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1305741808 77299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be rewriting href=""
< 1305741824 644255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well that's not Markdown's fault.
< 1305741832 461340 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't
< 1305741847 678307 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Markdown does have a tendency to be used in stupid ways; it's not its fault but it's still aggravating
< 1305741862 608261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, dunno.
< 1305741869 928446 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-* for italics is also an unfortunate design decision, it happens too often when the special meaning isn't desired
< 1305741880 987469 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even MediaWiki runs into trouble occasionally with '' in the middle of words)
< 1305742036 177983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's better than _ for italics
< 1305742040 878459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Markdown also has
< 1305742096 199188 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, ouch
< 1305742199 578808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woiuldntit be aesoekme if oknc e yuioiu stesasdrtred tygpoijn a word yuoiu coudkktmn tkrase yuiore fingerds off thre keytjnbeeors
< 1305742211 779843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuou just hasdf to slide thejm arotiuhnd
< 1305742506 891759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You'll probably be glad to know that the FUSE branch of tup was merged.
< 1305742522 412766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I saw.
< 1305742643 117259 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has yet to get gittup to build.
< 1305742839 115252 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't tel whether "coudkktmn" was meant to be "could" or "couldn't"
< 1305742844 90814 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't tell
< 1305742954 301868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't
< 1305743394 506294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1305743578 719410 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Explicitly named file 'built-in.o' not found in subdir 24885.
< 1305743591 906492 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(subdir 24885 refers to linux/drivers/watchdog)
< 1305743605 798326 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, that does *not* have a Tupfile)
< 1305743683 473243 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1305743772 342189 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305745758 140694 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Objects-created-both-with-libtool-and-without.html#Objects-created-both-with-libtool-and-without This has got to be the most revolting page I've read in a while.
< 1305745840 544928 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that exploiting a bug in automake to work around a bug in libtool?
< 1305745843 257667 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually pretty hilarious
< 1305745892 131124 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Not really a *bug* as it is a very obscure feature.
< 1305745927 475199 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's actually intentional that you get differing object filenames if you use per-target CFLAGS.
< 1305745948 862611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It's just using per-target CFLAGS here that are not distinct from the normal CFLAGS.
< 1305746075 764953 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it is absolutely *astounding* how much crazy shit Autotools does just to work around deficiencies in the C build system.
< 1305746195 838494 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's its purpose
< 1305746208 805488 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bundling up crazy shit into conveniently reusable m4 macros
< 1305746224 175410 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me it would've been easier to just replace the C build environment. :P
< 1305746241 33950 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1305746298 556067 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, at the *time* there was no way they could get away with saying "Yeah, just use GNU everything", and now it'd be a bit impractical to rejigger GCC that extensively.
< 1305746320 330545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305746371 548334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1305746371 631287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1305746376 892865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1305746376 974922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor said 1h 22m 35s ago: egojoust hasn't been used in months, that code was known buggy.
< 1305746394 201523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i have no idea what quote of mine you would be referring to
< 1305746407 912201 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your long-winded message to me about egojoust having bugs.
< 1305746421 476173 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait
< 1305746423 59127 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol
< 1305746427 296861 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't read the timestamps.
< 1305746430 947351 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305746438 663791 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so here's the question: Why did lambdabot tell me I had messages from three MONTHS ago.
< 1305746442 303593 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just today.
< 1305746443 392611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a world where the C compiler had some intelligence. Here is how you would build a program: "gcc main.c"
< 1305746447 207597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lambdabot was down for a while
< 1305746449 196113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not THAT long a while
< 1305746495 557458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone restarted lambdabot from backup
< 1305746546 477269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, dd you aee my maessgae/
< 1305746548 603063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blag
< 1305746583 879195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dd you aee my maessgae
< 1305746638 513037 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No?
< 1305746675 196698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dd you aee MY maessgae
< 1305746675 441669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, HackEgo lines that are too long get cut off without any notfication that they're cut off
< 1305746678 708174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See:
< 1305746682 778343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote birth
< 1305746683 262074 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Boo hoo.
< 1305746684 243137 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​160)  anmaster gonna give him a birthday bj?    IF ONLY I COULD FIND MY PHONE \ 259)  And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) \ 350) 
< 1305746687 516891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes birth
< 1305746689 65587 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6452
< 1305746690 743721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know.
< 1305746698 908951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i mentioned to oklofok earlier that i at least have proved that roman numeral look and say must grow approx. exponentially
< 1305746741 116462 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not surprising, but it's good to have proved it
< 1305746854 593419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"    The best HTML5 is native to the operating system, so Web sites have the fewest translation layers to pass through."
< 1305746855 282334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305746870 879969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the IE team might actually originate from a different universe
< 1305746911 878800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :html5 kernel mode ftw
< 1305746923 442781 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't that what Chrome OS is for?
< 1305746931 362235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know
< 1305746955 64378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Chrome OS is actually just Chrome on X on Gentoo
< 1305746955 375241 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes algebraic
< 1305746956 927864 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31004
< 1305746965 407299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaked to be a bit more OS-like
< 1305746968 616133 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you see the latest Agora mishap, by the way?
< 1305746972 875556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: which?
< 1305746986 66793 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an errant search-and-replace made it so that every vote has to select either PRESENT, or two other options
< 1305746994 58314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right
< 1305746998 439809 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're debating if it's really the case that every vote must be FOR+AGAINST
< 1305747012 170406 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that would make the game unplayable
< 1305747025 523669 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Murphy thinks FOR+FOR is legal, G. thinks that plain FOR is legal because the rule now contradicts itself)
< 1305747038 742897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIAN would prevent it being unplayable
< 1305747240 705078 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but the problem with AIAN is that it triggers only if there are no workable dictatorship scams
< 1305747245 518894 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and proving the absence of those is stricky
< 1305747248 702558 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tricky
< 1305747260 479645 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305747300 480668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ugh, it should be tightened
< 1305747400 407478 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305747411 850420 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305747504 378879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, what subject line(s)?
< 1305747510 282668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it :/
< 1305747581 803693 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BUS: Re: [Assessor] something
< 1305747655 426975 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305747661 985170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it, ty
< 1305747707 406478 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305747759 358328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, did you see what Murphy said?
< 1305747786 988303 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes
< 1305747798 898296 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different people seem to disagree on exactly what happened
< 1305747808 523411 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most people think it isn't fatally broken, they disagree as to why
< 1305747855 497740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at any rate, if it is broken, Assessor can just change the rules as long as no one disagrees
< 1305747858 827536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc
< 1305747878 56896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305747878 473783 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1305747885 711135 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ratifying false proposal results?
< 1305747908 857391 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that unambiguously works, so AIAN isn't triggered
< 1305747910 849992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be illegal, of course
< 1305747914 873749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good idea
< 1305747927 272843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it will be triggered if someone objects continuously, no?
< 1305747928 445566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my idea, it's Murphy's. I think.
< 1305747933 727239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then a majority can't change the rules, still
< 1305747969 417503 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not even technically illegal if you state, upfront, in the message that you're ratifying something that you think is incorrect
< 1305747971 63350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It doesn't trigger AIAN as long as "the Assessor announces some results
< 1305747971 238073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're allowed to self-ratify" still works." -- Murphy
< 1305747976 842700 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this is true even if you're allying
< 1305747981 357376 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're lying
< 1305748268 627403 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > {import Data.Set; [...] <-- import only works at module top level, which lambdabot doesn't support (you can try with EgoBot)
< 1305748283 448105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: eh? it's illegal to ratify a knowingly incorrect document
< 1305748331 232357 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless you say it's illegal
< 1305748346 698072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm really? okay
< 1305748349 455969 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and being Haskell, it happily calculated the function anyway and then didn't know how to display it onscreen
< 1305748351 937529 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an exception for if you explain that the document may be incorrect, and the general nature of the inaccuracy
< 1305748370 380072 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it almost certainly discovered it couldn't display it before trying to calculate it
< 1305748374 189978 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was added for the case when you're ratifying a currently unknown gamestate, although it helps in using ratification as proposal too
< 1305748379 804631 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, did it calculate it anyway?
< 1305748385 602916 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not because of laziness
< 1305748403 588371 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no, i'm saying it never started running because that error message is compile-time (type checking)
< 1305748411 1272 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK
< 1305748419 220015 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot Haskell was compiled
< 1305748424 365843 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I normally use it from an interpreter
< 1305748474 245704 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is very compiled, it's just type inference which makes it not show all the time
< 1305748497 519087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Haskell even define REPL semantics of any kind?
< 1305748507 669711 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1305748510 706159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only specified in terms of batch translation I think
< 1305748514 687479 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did know Haskell was compiled, I just forgot
< 1305748515 560786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Full-world)
< 1305748548 184849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: still, even interpreted haskell has to type-check first :)
< 1305748574 451625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305748649 263711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets bored, tries to convince people on Omegle that he is a representative of Omegle.
< 1305748719 691743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please tell me your Omegle password."
< 1305748720 909009 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: was it you who did that in #minecraft?
< 1305748726 873620 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what is Omegle?
< 1305748730 154107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ghci only added full import syntax in a relatively recent version
< 1305748735 766515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes, it was.
< 1305748893 644219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I wonder if haskell supports openGL :P
< 1305748914 711152 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like asking if INTERCAL supports ncurses
< 1305748920 98701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that's precisely the graphics library included in the haskell platform
< 1305749033 803541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, does it?
< 1305749072 576718 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, Funge-98 does, and there's an FFI between them
< 1305749251 724077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : in Haskell, it would have been trivial to generalise to arbitrary monads at that point, which would help if I ever wanted to change to, say, sets
< 1305749257 354550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sets are not monads in haskell
< 1305749273 646080 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could be
< 1305749286 738495 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematically, they're monads, and you can write the definitions easily enough
< 1305749301 352287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is that tricky bit about needing Ord or at least Eq to be able to check equality of elements
< 1305749311 962323 :HolyBlood!jassumjas@77.29.10.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305749315 253962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which breaks the standard monad definition
< 1305749340 196913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a monad needs to work for _all_ element types
< 1305749354 280649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that blog post doing it
< 1305749362 472170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an alternative (iirc Oleg's) monad class
< 1305749366 474770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple classes even I think
< 1305749371 951256 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I see
< 1305749382 552498 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematically, there's no issue with sets of functions
< 1305749385 629169 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Eq is enough)
< 1305749388 985921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.randomhacks.net/articles/2007/03/15/data-set-monad-haskell-macros
< 1305749420 533568 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.10.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305749447 192325 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks askance at HolyBlood and wonders if e is in the right channel
< 1305749489 281876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hmm, Timwi hasn't replied yet
< 1305749504 468724 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably waiting on a reply from Graue
< 1305749504 550562 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305749510 527319 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Graue has quite possibly deleted the email
< 1305749523 388023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf google's define: prefix isn't working any more
< 1305749524 422392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/FileCode ;; /sigh
< 1305749528 92885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: haha
< 1305749540 61881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wfm
< 1305749545 920347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it just shows it at the top
< 1305749549 525887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to click "more" for more definitions
< 1305749563 784980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I wouldn't think Graue would delete it without sending a reply, but I might be wrong
< 1305749572 158164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=22956&oldid=22297
< 1305749574 520046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: please to be block
< 1305749577 421982 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i don't know if I get FileCode at all
< 1305749604 266798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverts
< 1305749605 957985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i'm seeing a completely ordinary result page as if i had written just the word i search for alone
< 1305749624 622954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: localised google?
< 1305749645 420353 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: blocked, autoblocked, prevented accounts being created from the same IP
< 1305749645 502068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What query, I'll see if I can replicate here
< 1305749651 978681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:askance
< 1305749683 29430 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I didn't know that the matrix of solidity thing was on the main page
< 1305749689 576902 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that become a meme, anyway?
< 1305749695 97480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterica person coming here
< 1305749696 442148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity
< 1305749697 687926 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​329)  enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
< 1305749715 826900 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I missed that
< 1305749725 13931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty lol
< 1305749728 985878 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good one, anyway
< 1305749762 682810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'll need to reconsider my Omegle strategy.
< 1305749797 231076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, saying I'm conducting a demographic survey for Omegle and asking for a/s/l is good and fine, but it doesn't really tell me if I've fooled anyone.
< 1305749826 519832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: same on english version
< 1305749859 346070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what query?
< 1305749869 804243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:askance i said
< 1305750606 300391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches the IT Crowd.
< 1305751500 561747 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305751669 963935 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, now we can \o/ without the fear of having legs added!
< 1305751685 458613 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1305751698 202523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                |
< 1305751701 503316 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :               / \
< 1305751703 363300 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES
< 1305751708 726773 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CLOSE
< 1305751746 642521 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT CLOSE AT ALL
< 1305751755 24963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you forgot the penis
< 1305751774 11891 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats pikhq for obviously trying to use the wrong kind of nick alignment -----###
< 1305753049 20590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t scanr tail
< 1305753049 684739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `b -> b' against inferred type `[a]'
< 1305753049 766530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `scanr', namely `tail'
< 1305753049 766692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: scanr tail
< 1305753052 758349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t scanr
< 1305753053 376318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> b) -> b -> [a] -> [b]
< 1305753058 766711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305753076 601433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [a,b,c,d] -> [[b,c,d],[c,d],[d]] how do
< 1305753090 343002 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails [a,b,c,d]
< 1305753091 17075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[a,b,c,d],[b,c,d],[c,d],[d],[]]
< 1305753110 75034 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> init . tails . tail $ [a,b,c,d]
< 1305753111 389487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[b,c,d],[c,d],[d]]
< 1305753128 66751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, thanks.
< 1305753141 238033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\(x:xs) -> (x,xs)) tails [a,b,c,d]
< 1305753141 896281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[[t]]'
< 1305753141 977373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `[a] -> ...
< 1305753147 503867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\(x:xs) -> (x,xs)) . tails $ [a,b,c,d]
< 1305753148 873587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(a,[b,c,d]),(b,[c,d]),(c,[d]),(d,[]),*Exception: :3:5-21: Non...
< 1305753152 257225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\(x:xs) -> (x,xs)) . init . tails $ [a,b,c,d]
< 1305753153 578970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(a,[b,c,d]),(b,[c,d]),(c,[d]),(d,[])]
< 1305753166 183261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl init . init
< 1305753166 265108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :init . init
< 1305753168 872728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\(x:xs) -> (x,xs)) . init . init . tails $ [a,b,c,d]
< 1305753170 283915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(a,[b,c,d]),(b,[c,d]),(c,[d])]
< 1305753173 512693 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.10.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305753173 690370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works.
< 1305753176 876217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inits
< 1305753177 470004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] -> [[a]]
< 1305753261 9220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map.elems has no predictable result order, right?
< 1305753284 668472 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(x:xs) -> (x,xs)  ==  head &&& tail
< 1305753300 571999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not
< 1305753304 848095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That was just a test function.
< 1305753307 854550 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.10.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305753661 758052 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1305753682 583413 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305753768 507465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Weird_Time_Shit
< 1305753774 466235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS WRONG THING
< 1305753997 575994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(x, xs) | x:xs@(_:_) <- tails [a,b,c,d]]
< 1305753998 208794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(a,[b,c,d]),(b,[c,d]),(c,[d])]
< 1305754100 892487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for your @unpl needs ^
< 1305754158 349243 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (head &&& tail) . filter (not.null.drop 1) . tails $ [a,b,c,d]
< 1305754159 640927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(a,[b,c,d]),(b,[c,d]),(c,[d])]
< 1305754325 128457 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, new in Perl 5.14 is the ability to name a package Foo::::Bar
< 1305754346 734006 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you're going to have to load it by hand unless your filesystem supports directories with zero-length names
< 1305754348 951415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patch:
< 1305754361 783757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if (strcmp(name, "Foo::::Bar"))
< 1305754397 832647 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was 'if (strcmp(name, "Foo::::Bar"))' srsly in the source?
< 1305754403 988188 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOGoS: no, elliott is joking
< 1305754406 235935 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a good joek
< 1305754408 442778 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*joke
< 1305754413 522443 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank gourd
< 1305754442 575380 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even Vorpal would have realised that was a joke...
< 1305754448 689602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's TOGoS
< 1305754450 900436 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a hunch but, knowing Perl...
< 1305754455 37331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's a gourd
< 1305754459 157630 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, I don't get it
< 1305754459 621641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a plant
< 1305754467 990998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: uncanny
< 1305754487 624805 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gourd is what you thank when you find out that some source code is not as ridiculous as it could be.
< 1305754505 844831 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you shake it for good luck
< 1305754508 188805 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you hadn't guessed, I'm reading the Perl 5.14 changelog
< 1305754512 26450 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it looks useful, like s///r
< 1305755091 248201 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm amused at Perl having versioned pragmas
< 1305755117 739499 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the pragmas are implemented as modules, and modules have version numbers, but it's crazy seeing things like "The overload pragma has been upgraded from 1.10 to 1.13.")
< 1305755129 644782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1305755316 580719 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluggable pragmata's a little bizarre as language features go
< 1305755568 330082 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pragmatic plugs
< 1305755570 393333 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305756094 197713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the beautiful funge 9eight subset log
< 1305756115 991085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n % 2) by outputting to a file and inputting it again, so that you can do xor, so that you can write an adder
< 1305756172 461479 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: people were trying to find a minimal Funge-98-complete subset, without abusing fingerprints?
< 1305756233 564679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no, the topic came up of Funge-98 minus ninety-three
< 1305756235 448527 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you do abuse fingerprints, you could just make a feral fingerprint named the null string, that did s/(/0/ on the program and then interpreted it as a program in the language Unary)
< 1305756238 737119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. all ninetythree instructions are gone
< 1305756238 815972 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah
< 1305756248 520609 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are interesting
< 1305756256 648824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we couldn't figure out how to get the lowest bit of a number to write an adder with xor
< 1305756264 527162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then deewiant realised that the lower bit of its flag determines binary or text mode
< 1305756266 973908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305756324 829216 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get the higher bits?
< 1305756331 938413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
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< 1305757209 446043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how much time glibc spends to do literally nothing
< 1305757215 168475 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in its build)
< 1305757258 108091 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately "Can't tell because it's t3h borken"
< 1305757315 170377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../manual/errno.texi', needed by `../sysdeps/gnu/errlist.c'.  Stop.
< 1305757360 243618 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more Perl amusement: they went and changed the type that an API function returns
< 1305757390 924429 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defending it partly by saying it was marked as "may change", which is fine, but also that they did a Google code search and found that nobody else was actually using it
< 1305757592 480163 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also love reading the lists of bugfixes, just because the bugs were so bizarre
< 1305757636 547632 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. sub { $_[0] = *foo }->($hash{key}); in 5.12 assigns the /string/ "*main::foo" to $_[0]
< 1305757749 832200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/he4du/til_you_cant_drink_coke_in_space_it_makes_you/c1ur38k
< 1305757756 624823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no words...
< 1305758122 142817 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, 5:30 for a build of glibc 2.13 from a clean dir...
< 1305758207 968392 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:16 for a no-op build.
< 1305758231 248540 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is fucking ridiculous.
< 1305758278 835689 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :minutes?
< 1305758416 285386 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305758441 110432 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1305758467 679208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, still tuppin'?
< 1305758799 61970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcdexplained.com/
< 1305758803 727464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, it stopped.
< 1305758806 104206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ages ago, too.
< 1305758833 401129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Today is the day the Author finally discovered a metaphor that perfectly combines his two greatest passions in life: technology and unidirectional relationships wherein a female is able to completely dominate him emotionally."
< 1305758842 759426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So true. Godspeed, good analysts.
< 1305758877 980460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The more astute Reader will realize the true meaning of today’s comic: the Author is using his vast influence to encourage smart engineers around the world to create computer software that will talk nicely to him."
< 1305759116 384751 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305759260 73009 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorry Randall, I cannot do that.
< 1305759502 716295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "The Author hates women."
< 1305759761 707547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Author saw the film Inception and it confused him. He decided to make a comic strip about himself and a squirrel as most visual learners tend to do when frustrated."
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< 1305760027 328787 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Definitely still tupping.
< 1305760040 350473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tuppin'
< 1305760432 715610 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.10.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305760503 303440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The newscaster is doing exactly that which he is being criticized for - letting people without college physics degrees voice their opinions."
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< 1305760684 3900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I particularly like the ubiquitous jabs at Munroe's sexual politics.
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< 1305761589 67416 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a programming language WORSE than Malbolge!
< 1305761712 213653 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddya' think?
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< 1305762075 693547 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not make a class of arbitrarily more difficult languages
< 1305762087 719403 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll have your work cut out for you
< 1305762181 251668 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1305762186 138161 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A class?
< 1305762235 590247 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how there are increasingly more inaccessible ordinals and notations for increasingly larger numbers like conway arrow notation and so on
< 1305762247 852342 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a permutation you can do to a language to make it harder?
< 1305762277 903920 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1305762286 56168 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge 2.0...
< 1305762303 191686 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do I make it more difficult?
< 1305762307 646460 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm picturing a language mutator that randomly applies the side-effect of a different operation to every operation you can do
< 1305762311 994312 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't do anything without mucking up something else
< 1305762318 921527 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you try to fix that it messes up something else and so on
< 1305762323 369330 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like reverse engineering cryptography
< 1305762329 612890 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe more encryption?
< 1305762359 885197 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break this SHA-256 hash to continue programming?
< 1305762375 109891 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1305762381 520743 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it!
< 1305762425 821050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have a hash-breaking esolang
< 1305762435 528022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shafuck or something
< 1305762470 104457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m (a -> b) -> a -> m b
< 1305762470 342412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<*>) :: Applicative f => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1305762470 424381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad ap :: Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1305762470 424584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<**>) :: Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b
< 1305762474 776130 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoinfuck
< 1305762490 47679 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang there are some weird ass operators in haskel
< 1305762503 511721 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the one i want
< 1305762645 868174 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how exactly does Malbolge work? The wiki isn't very good at explaining it.
< 1305762663 780058 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ternary language with lots of arbitrary ternary bit-wise operators that aren't awfully useful
< 1305762665 684074 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1305762689 441885 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't the program counter move around randomly?
< 1305762733 591310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :acually there are just two operators iirc
< 1305762879 771424 :jassumjas!~jassumjas@77.29.9.93 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305762901 716855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't move around randomly
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< 1305762956 616753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the previously executed instruction is encrypted after each step
< 1305762975 707880 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah
< 1305762990 643439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorphic code }:)
< 1305762993 118400 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for jumps, for which the encryption hits the instruction before the target instead
< 1305763035 974769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this exception for jumps supposedly makes things much easier to program)
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< 1305767038 469366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Google Docs: Modern is, in fact, a word.
< 1305767053 109347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "science"
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< 1305770380 851291 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
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< 1305773818 814931 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that a choir concert consisting of pop songs upsets me?
< 1305773874 720492 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God, people, you're allowed to do more than a melody and a harmony.
< 1305773913 687487 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric
< 1305774049 521709 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bohemian Rhapsody shall make me feel better about that.
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< 1305774928 309540 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-206.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1305779965 124121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets ticked off at the Nexuiz controversy
< 1305780010 913969 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :controversy?
< 1305780047 1175 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see
< 1305780057 955560 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a GPL licensed game that's being ported to a console where you have to pay for it?
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< 1305780133 393047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that it's making me not sure how suitable Nexuiz is as a game that another channel I'm in can play with and against each other
< 1305780158 782736 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there was a copyright assignment or a unanimous agreement among the copyright holders, that game is literally going to be illegal to ship.
< 1305780263 373668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about the controversy itself, I'm more upset that it forced a fork, and that that fork isn't suitable to play.
< 1305780279 153988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully Nexuiz Classic still works decently
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< 1305781353 840629 :ThePing!~phycho@174.127.64.107 PART :#esoteric
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< 1305783356 24357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I've got LostKng in 68K.
< 1305783402 465277 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2.1M normally.
< 1305784147 21096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be lost in reading *my own code* from a while ago ATM.
< 1305784186 943903 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have done a lot of tail-recursive C.
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< 1305804300 254159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION parts #vim with an obnoxious part message
< 1305804480 552320 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "emacs ftw"
< 1305804730 107379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um
< 1305804738 760617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contained "Emacs rules", yes
< 1305804771 944027 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now.
< 1305804774 575754 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the same to #emacs
< 1305804781 7169 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping"
< 1305804793 388331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I _like_ emacs!
< 1305804856 152285 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to be just "Eight"; I guess even "Eighty" is quite outdated now.
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< 1305805576 833021 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what can we say now?
< 1305805780 197644 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eight Gigs" would be a reasonable amount of memory, but then you'd have to convince everyone to switch to Egacs.
< 1305805888 804107 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about eight motherboards
< 1305805899 658194 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a computer system with eight motherboards is fast right
< 1305805899 849224 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the others are more timeless, though. "Emacs Makes A Computer Slow", "Escape Meta Alt Control Shift", "Eventually Munches All Computer Storage".
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< 1305806318 140489 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
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< 1305811151 496441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
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< 1305811760 629439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305811764 231315 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​223)  fizzie: 50kB is quite a lot
< 1305811923 634366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be enough for everyone
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< 1305819254 467217 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1305819259 970266 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUP ELLIOTT
< 1305819268 541181 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY DEAR FRIEND TYPE PERSON
< 1305819364 398780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:25:00: * Sgeo parts #vim with an obnoxious part message
< 1305819369 832032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: let me guess, they couldn't answer a stupid question
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< 1305819654 754361 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT IS THE MAXIMUM OF ANY SET ORDERED BY THE FRIENDLINESS RELATION
< 1305819688 20780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: should i use vim or emacs
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< 1305819697 52461 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm still connected?
< 1305819730 342767 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you have just joined
< 1305819740 29951 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait!
< 1305819744 565481 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you haven't!
< 1305819749 543972 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow indeed.
< 1305819794 116863 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: let's take haskell and assume eager eval. can it still have monads? if yes, what are the limitations?
< 1305819911 279747 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and none, the concept of monads has nothing to do with laziness
< 1305820453 812105 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads come from a field that has never heard of laziness
< 1305820583 31965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the worst question i've ever heard
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< 1305820883 118058 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have finally found that special place in your heart that will keep the memory alive
< 1305820896 154770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they have something vaguely to do with each other in that for some (not all) of the problems monads solve, there are other solutions in strict langs that don't work in lazy langs, so they're less necessary in strict langs, although still very useful
< 1305820897 371068 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, thanks
< 1305820910 28648 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305820921 59370 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what solutions are you thinking of though?
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< 1305821336 382796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the difference between monads in strict and lazy languages is that they can provide a convenient ordering mechanism in lazy ones, IMO
< 1305821340 241719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why State, IO, etc. all work
< 1305821348 402709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, that's what I was talking about
< 1305821356 454586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in strict languages, you have a defined ordering mechanism already
< 1305821357 6031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305821359 182562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in strict languages, things are ordered anyway, unless you use insane amounts of multithreading
< 1305821364 141825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could have utterly undefined, but strict, evaluation order
< 1305821366 209202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no sequencing operator
< 1305821369 925787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be pathological
< 1305821396 117578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it really annoys me when people say that monads make IO pure
< 1305821409 165289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's technically correct but useless?
< 1305821415 399637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IO monad is still impure, it's only a monad because it needs ordering
< 1305821429 239226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's pure if you think of it as an infinite lookup table generator
< 1305821429 679609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't violate the language's referential transparency, but that's not the same as being pure)
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< 1305822741 139256 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if you wash it with soap
< 1305823551 259259 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, people definitely have confusion about what "purity" means.
< 1305823590 88683 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so they think that a way of modelling impure actions is somehow pure.
< 1305823677 485892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if all you're doing is modelling them, not actually doing them, ofc it can be pure
< 1305823692 94045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort-of envisage an IOSimulator :: IO x -> x
< 1305823707 143307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't work like unsafePerformIO, but rather just simulates all the IO internally and then ignores it
< 1305823780 197325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start, it would be simulateIO.
< 1305823787 280092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is an invalid constructor signature.
< 1305823800 389314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a ... middle, the whole point of the IO monad is that you execute the actions modelled
< 1305824328 15757 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You model it so that the language can go behind your back and rape purity.
< 1305824331 267969 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1305824362 136071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bleh, I forgot case-sensitivity
< 1305824467 408423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 'ocaml 'is 'way 'better
< 1305824471 628696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :''yay
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< 1305824590 855716 :cheater__!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well  the modelling is a question similar to: if you write a php to haskell converter, is it a pure, functional language?
< 1305824836 155641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is not similar at all
< 1305824849 615250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the only reason I was there in the first place was because I saw a Hedgewars game labelled #vim
< 1305824883 359186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hedgewars' rope physics suck therefore the game sucks, today you learned
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< 1305825407 910615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ always evaluates a game based on its rope physics.
< 1305825414 967819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is quite the connoisseur.
< 1305825457 709077 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do the rope physics suck? I'm bad at judging these things, but I've seen people rope with far more ease than in W:A
< 1305825470 503588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: They are inferior to W:A's.
< 1305825483 678952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ease doesn't matter, the fact is that they're totally weird and unnatural and you can't do nearly as much with them as you can with W:A.
< 1305825518 709922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Sgeo_/elliott/
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< 1305825558 340726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: shut up, you've probably never even played a Worms game.
< 1305825571 431458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NOT
< 1305825575 54046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then.
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< 1305825609 474934 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all about the rope physics
< 1305825634 420479 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering putting the Tube Trap map in HW and seeing if it's still playable
< 1305825638 704822 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :worms ropes = <3
< 1305825647 619123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: concur
< 1305825649 520600 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fly
< 1305825660 18273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, oh god what is HW.
< 1305825664 124784 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like magic but you also get an erection
< 1305825665 824863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hedgewars
< 1305825666 597677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: worms clone
< 1305825666 898649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HactiveWorlds?
< 1305825688 344776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: rope race replays are so much fun to watch it's ridiculous
< 1305825703 562606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor spacebars :(
< 1305825710 215233 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that one seriously fucked up thing done by a bot
< 1305825730 245393 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Worms Reloaded have replays?
< 1305825755 760078 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, it sucks on that basis alone.
< 1305825757 461892 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, bots are somewhat better than people at these things
< 1305825820 554523 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wormuz's roping like?
< 1305825833 17240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: W:A, accept no imitations.
< 1305825836 516635 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it wormux?)
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< 1305825853 981717 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a virtual world but rope
< 1305825883 204813 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws an old woman at monqy 
< 1305825915 399435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god W:A will work out of the box in Wine now
< 1305825918 214259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' A
< 1305825928 529549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should install it
< 1305825946 955513 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, out of the box? Don't you need to install the update to do practically anything with W:A even on Windows?
< 1305825959 575259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, can you run W:A on Linux?
< 1305825973 366614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, like I said, the update that makes it work without a patched DLL with Wine is out.
< 1305825974 443819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: can you pirate it easily?
< 1305825983 293758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (It's still updated, even after thirteen years.)
< 1305825998 108567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, you can; one of the torrents is even mine, although I think it's dead.
< 1305826013 232227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But you should throw money at Team17 as soon as possible.
< 1305826017 704023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are wonderful Brits.
< 1305826020 498844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ...
< 1305826026 457324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You previously needed a patched DLL to use it with Wine.
< 1305826030 451512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I use a cruise missile.
< 1305826031 926735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They fixed that as of late last year.
< 1305826035 595762 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was unaware of that.
< 1305826037 661547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, you can use cold hard cash.
< 1305826045 96385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: And also "Some of our Wine users have noticed a problem in recent Wine versions – namely, chatting in the front-end parts of the game (that includes WormNET and host/join lobby) was not possible (W:A seemed to ignore Enter presses)."
< 1305826045 577347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a cruise missile?
< 1305826050 220880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, Wine is now a maintained platform for W:A.
< 1305826052 163118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is awesome.
< 1305826062 204555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even contributed a patch to Wine to fix that.
< 1305826069 399444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am basically incapable of conceiving of a way of moving money around without a cruise missile.
< 1305826087 117972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Team17 employ these two guys to maintain their decade-old game is fucking awesome.
< 1305826096 82977 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends Phantom_Hoover money in a concrete donkey
< 1305826111 661764 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good plan
< 1305826113 41071 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure to work
< 1305826121 204948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: your references suck.
< 1305826155 79139 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it supposed to be a trojan horse reference because if so it's really lame
< 1305826158 880763 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if not it's nonsense
< 1305826176 217140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a (bad) W:A reference.
< 1305826177 749001 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a W:A reference
< 1305826181 281837 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305826182 512078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot (bad)
< 1305826190 973228 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that in turn a trojan horse reference
< 1305826197 128777 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it sucks and you suck
< 1305826209 576784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dump.thecybershadow.net/408ac203082e5044bded2e7bdacd84e0/screen0557.png ;; I love how it actually has a Wine-specific setting
< 1305826246 149462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if they'll ever get around to depalletising the game.
< 1305826261 273067 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305826336 132590 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like that in HW I can join a game that's in progress to watch it
< 1305826365 793090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK I am going to find a good W:A torrent and we are going to patch and install it and have a match online.
< 1305826370 121140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no chance to survive make your time.
< 1305826386 997955 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to watch this match
< 1305826395 331159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on my experiences with Hedgewars you will almost certainly win.
< 1305826405 908343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dude, I haven't played for years.
< 1305826413 401212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "I haven't played for years." has been my WormNet excuse for about ten years.
< 1305826418 65258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only times I've ever actually won are when my opponent have half their hedgehogs right next to the sea.
< 1305826431 653867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, you only play normals?
< 1305826458 248369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, I want the original ISO...
< 1305826502 535335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is the one with the Russian installer.
< 1305826502 993565 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Daemon Tools: Stop being slow
< 1305826512 362547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a lot of seeders, though.
< 1305826520 176470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://torrentz.eu/4c6c424826f8e8dc277fefe4e1de9c92f5337855
< 1305826527 82733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Make it hapen, and I'll guide you through Winestalling it and patching it.
< 1305826554 911976 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything difficult about Winestalling it other than remembering to patch it afterwards?
< 1305826569 436682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You might as well let it download the saved levels and schemes, but untick both of the patches.
< 1305826572 854808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "updates and other".
< 1305826584 251823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: IIRC this one has a weird installer.
< 1305826589 60401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1305826599 992504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone say one nine two dot one six eight dot one dot one?
< 1305826611 576688 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :192.168.1.1
< 1305826614 287218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1305826618 217736 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1305826623 629393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you *still* not fixed that.
< 1305826632 283832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Indeed.
< 1305826637 756603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit, I won't be able to set the timer for bombs.
< 1305826641 190877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O H W E L L
< 1305826659 174419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised I have 6 MSPA wiki tabs open.
< 1305826677 418521 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck too much to have any real use for changing the timer on grenades
< 1305826773 705393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How's it downloading for you.
< 1305826776 357976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take about an hour here.
< 1305826790 100840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs a full tab GC (by quitting Firefox)
< 1305826794 99059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 minutes, it sayss.
< 1305826796 289457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*says
< 1305826799 604514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Firefox?
< 1305826803 378093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you used Chrome.
< 1305826807 998460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reinstalled.
< 1305826829 891751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Arsen_1a.jpg
< 1305826839 939844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You'll have to wait about forty minutes for my install guide, then.
< 1305826841 882724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason every time I look at this I think it's a spaceship.
< 1305826853 364679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All the tutorials online are massively out of date, BTW, so don't bother.)
< 1305826862 985082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also you'll need wine one point three.
< 1305826869 595753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in your distro's repo?
< 1305826907 392481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not: http://www.winehq.org/download
< 1305826909 374312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has repos.
< 1305826911 935312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it.
< 1305826970 286480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs Wine onepointthree.
< 1305827006 352944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What kind of speed are you getting on the torrent anyway?
< 1305827009 152554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm prepared to be VERY ANGRY
< 1305827047 614679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1MiB/s.
< 1305827055 930279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.12, to be precise.
< 1305827067 629092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard.
< 1305827078 215717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reconnects in the hope of getting nicer peers.
< 1305827082 84725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I slowed it down tenfold.
< 1305827089 673877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I'm bsuy downloading Wine packages.
< 1305827089 918865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy
< 1305827110 393245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's the APT line for that repository.
< 1305827116 348630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deb http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable squeeze main?
< 1305827124 844090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pauses W:A for apt.
< 1305827139 757081 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-34-16.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305827145 212696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Erm, it's not a repository.
< 1305827156 130737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bunch of debs you have to get, I think.
< 1305827157 692194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're... right.
< 1305827174 309565 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-13-244.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305827182 566828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# As I get quite a few e-mails about this: no I won't set up an APT repository for these packages, because I don't want to encourage people to install binary packages from third parties without thinking about what they're doing.
< 1305827195 362536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also they're for sid but hopefully the dependencies won't conflict too much.
< 1305827237 756102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard.
< 1305827252 660970 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could fetch the source packages and rebuild yourself.
< 1305827268 113349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's even more work. :p
< 1305827286 549645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, torrent completed.
< 1305827288 4626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurry UP apt.
< 1305827303 379328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah yeah, rub it in.
< 1305827313 119719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of the ungodly mess that is his downloads folder
< 1305827320 306555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's complications with the installer so I recommend you wait until I've downloaded it before trying to get it installed.
< 1305827327 654785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I expect you're still downloading 99999 debs.
< 1305827353 152794 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dpkg-buildpackage isn't hard.
< 1305827406 425411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have I mentioned that I will lose.
< 1305827421 457807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I picked a roping game in which case maybe not.
< 1305827491 701093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :92% [15 ttf-umefont 49.4MB/50.8MB 97%]                              220kB/s 32s9
< 1305827493 354893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coem oooooooon.
< 1305827523 621057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Come
< 1305827575 663412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK continuing the torrent.
< 1305827578 568499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SOON I WILL HAVE YOUR BRAIN
< 1305827586 248710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :food →
< 1305827596 888387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The worst thing is I own two physical copies of this game.
< 1305827677 894681 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION owns one physical copy
< 1305827692 684750 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also have WWP and W2 lying around somewhere
< 1305827741 207405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worms two sucks
< 1305827754 183327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe people actually still played it online as of like five years ago???
< 1305827789 607070 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really tried it. Althogh now I'm wondering if it's W2 that I have or original. Which came in that pack?
< 1305827799 891791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm worms isn't thirteen years old, just twelve
< 1305827800 489959 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pack that had W:A WWP and Worms Blast
< 1305827811 94490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the patch is still considered beta
< 1305827818 708361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder when 4.0 is coming out :)
< 1305827837 375949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a work in progress since two thousand and four or something like that
< 1305827951 224773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY DEBS
< 1305827956 858261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH DEB SHOULD I TAKE
< 1305827972 76383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them, duh
< 1305827991 560991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You will be pleased to know that the time remaining is thirty seven minutes.
< 1305827997 893600 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the third deb, always the third
< 1305828024 189783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION winecfg
< 1305828048 646096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, don't tell me sound is broken again.
< 1305828061 819280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the bottom of his downloads folder for the first time in months.
< 1305828062 510137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh well".
< 1305828193 610630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who cares how cluttered the folder is?
< 1305828196 187487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg -i wine[tab]
< 1305828198 188746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved.
< 1305828224 736551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god do I have to resolve the dependencies automatically.
< 1305828244 440445 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uninstall pulseaudio
< 1305828249 647814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sudo dpkg -i them in any order.
< 1305828253 342023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that would break my volume control.
< 1305828258 899150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]That
< 1305828264 256445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then sudo apt-get install -f to see if things are still broken.
< 1305828280 307992 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: use alsamixer? works for me...
< 1305828281 472289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wine-unstable:
< 1305828294 651218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yeah, I love having to:
< 1305828296 278749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- find a terminal,
< 1305828300 510123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- type "alsamixer\n";
< 1305828303 901719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- use the arrow keys;
< 1305828306 306929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Control+C
< 1305828309 167029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I want to change the volume.
< 1305828314 781312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it does it the other way around.
< 1305828317 37275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much more convenient than hitting the volume up/down/mute keys on my keyboard.
< 1305828323 271194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Irrelevant.
< 1305828325 238701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just keep installing.
< 1305828334 127509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if "sudo apt-get install -f" works, you're done.
< 1305828340 638240 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that about once per installation, then keep it on the right volume
< 1305828355 907892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, because there is exactly one constant right volume.
< 1305828365 105092 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you go periods of time without adjusting the volume?
< 1305828373 306445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the time of the day, how loud whatever sounds are coming out are mixed, etc. etc. etc., there is absolutely no way I would want to change the volume accordingly.
< 1305828377 882971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1305828393 128133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, I don't have Pulseaudio and I can change the volume normally.
< 1305828408 58634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes; you have GNOME packaged by sane people (Debian developers).
< 1305828413 350971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have GNOME packaged by Canonical.
< 1305828424 994583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305828442 197493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canonical, the people who gave APT Guy access to their repositories.
< 1305828453 213359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APT Guy?
< 1305828458 505423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, once you have Wine installed, "winecfg", go to Audio tab, let it select a driver, make sure Test Sound works, then just OK it.
< 1305828497 837593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, a guy at my school who does some vaguely-specified thing for Canonical.
< 1305828502 49851 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes, on my home computer I haven't started alsamixer for years
< 1305828522 267326 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my work computer, pulseaudio muted everything so I had to go back in and restore working settings
< 1305828526 330454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms.thecybershadow.net/wormkit/ Oh hey this is new.
< 1305828534 644033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound.
< 1305828541 484874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Meh.
< 1305828548 182932 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, no it's not?
< 1305828549 416597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'll work with W:A, maybe it won't, who cares.
< 1305828550 301074 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1305828553 690124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err:alsa:wine_snd_pcm_recover underrun occurred
< 1305828561 922824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Dude, I haven't played W:A for years.
< 1305828569 20385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the game in... two thousand and two?
< 1305828575 719004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh well. :p
< 1305828625 101352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how common BattyRopes is nowadays.
< 1305828641 853222 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RubberWorm is fairly popular I think
< 1305828651 240475 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, there's a section of Worst Shot Ever for it
< 1305828665 684423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BattyRopes, not RubberWorm.
< 1305828677 251877 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea
< 1305828701 555746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, it's gettingcloser.
< 1305828776 305284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins seeding that Red Dwarf torrent again because his ratio is still 0.83.
< 1305828833 39580 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1305829067 941173 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ba8216cd90560bc402f52076f64d8546e8aefcb This patch makes me happy.
< 1305829141 390213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big kernel lock?
< 1305829157 203967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cool.
< 1305829159 549111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What big kernel lock?
< 1305829168 346759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: /The/ Big Kernel Lock.
< 1305829210 933625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was a lock of the *entire* kernel. It was added for the very first SMP systems.
< 1305829220 651809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Seems like it's actually in the latest stable, too.
< 1305829229 273127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux 2.6.39 just came out, but it was probably in an earlier one, too.
< 1305829232 131036 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, it's in 2.6.39, which just came out.
< 1305829234 980247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, nope.
< 1305829236 45161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1305829238 896805 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It missed the 2.6.38 merge window.
< 1305829239 990606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet.
< 1305829247 713491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it was actually relevant as of late, though.
< 1305829258 242156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As evidenced by the fact that that commit just removes it and nothing breaks.
< 1305829279 568216 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/86859/
< 1305829283 563402 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they spent a few years removing usage of it out of subsystems.
< 1305829283 693428 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from 2004)
< 1305829294 799699 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with the ones that were *major* performance issues.
< 1305829296 71361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, elliott, the addition of the definite article really assisted my understanding.
< 1305829303 443164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're welcome.
< 1305829312 434947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently there was a followup to the language-designers-with-beards article
< 1305829329 735632 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more useful than elliott!
< 1305829332 244382 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mindboggles
< 1305829365 659558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its predictions are still working (although possibly its data is biased)
< 1305829382 221736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems at least one of the people behind Python actually grew a beard in response to the article
< 1305829437 767085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, typo in the post itself, it was Matz who is of course Ruby not Python
< 1305830041 719932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The core kernel retains a few calls. The implementation of the reboot() system call is one of them; this is, of course, not one of the more performance-sensitive parts of the kernel."
< 1305830673 705136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how's the download going
< 1305830678 354750 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to watch you vs PH
< 1305830693 605832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already downloaded. Working on installing.
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< 1305831304 98806 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1305832453 441599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey BattyRopes is in the latest patch.
< 1305832599 354520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ethynol is an alcohol (ynol)..." — WP
< 1305832601 811004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ynol.
< 1305832606 613167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best word?
< 1305832758 448706 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :second best
< 1305832836 605461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best?
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< 1305832927 739740 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklo"?
< 1305832963 758409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1305832978 957773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is secretly an ancient nuclear reactor
< 1305833055 739412 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1305833064 547005 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously o, indeed, is the best word
< 1305833611 481908 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who thinks to call that thing a beagle puss?
< 1305833645 984797 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question
< 1305834185 741777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : # As I get quite a few e-mails about this: no I won't set up an APT repository for these packages, because I don't want to encourage people to install binary packages from third parties without thinking about what they're doing.
< 1305834204 6653 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1305834205 920818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders if anyone has distributed a virus in a program in source format
< 1305834309 343034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION extends that to the idea of such a virus that only infects source distributions
< 1305834378 177141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the complete reverse of trusting trust...
< 1305834411 767474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I saw a post on Reddit where a trusting trust thing had happened by accident
< 1305834412 668561 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Python virus might qualify?
< 1305834419 163910 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, linky?
< 1305834421 464637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a team of programmers were working on a self-hosting compiler
< 1305834433 4633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it used to screw up signed vs. unsigned, and they fixed the bug
< 1305834442 675523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the bug was such that it miscompiled the compiler in a way that produced that bug
< 1305834450 617542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it'd be tricky to find, it was several days ago now
< 1305834456 478503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305834508 78055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION officially hates Phantom_Hoover 
< 1305834523 903492 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to sleep sometime in the next 72 hours, dangit1
< 1305834571 876673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: just sleep, then
< 1305834598 885560 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, impossible!
< 1305834611 80075 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not while I'm in archive binge mode
< 1305834622 228662 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't sleep when I'm archive binging
< 1305834736 840207 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is going to murder me with sleep deprivation
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< 1305835252 438298 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this gnome-panel sensors-monitor thingamajik says my HD is at a temperature of 140620634384 °C. Sounds slightly suspicious.
< 1305835300 213878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: run away, it's going to blow!
< 1305835514 557541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't that getting on for the temperature of quark-gluon plasma?
< 1305835530 818362 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming the number is accurate, they've made one [interjection] of a temperature sensor.
< 1305835653 128604 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
< 1305835754 623360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it might be one of the infrared-based sensors that work at range
< 1305835843 998574 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 140620634384 ""
< 1305835844 697448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "20bda49910"
< 1305835866 134015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not precisely any obvious number there either
< 1305835905 690992 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (flip showHex "") $ iterate (*10) 140620634384
< 1305835907 136875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["20bda49910","147686dfaa0","cca144bca40","7fe4caf5e680","4feefed9b0100","3...
< 1305835948 615307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drop 5 . map (flip showHex "") $ iterate (*10) 140620634384
< 1305835950 34676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["31f55f480e0a00","1f395b8d08c6400","1383d938257be800","c3267c3176d71000","...
< 1305835973 513647 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a pointer, i guess
< 1305835975 59177 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factorize 140620634384
< 1305835976 28108 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1305835981 874400 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 140620634384
< 1305835983 120183 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​140620634384: 2 2 2 2 8788789649
< 1305836049 33772 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks lambdabot has a very conservative line length
< 1305836098 21279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showHex
< 1305836098 636053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> String -> String
< 1305836104 180196 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :28'}c'%'yc'1*+'w'(5f'|+**+***+**
< 1305836107 464438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the string argument for?
< 1305836126 268987 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's for appending to the end
< 1305836151 460403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ShowS String, I think
< 1305836163 355689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan thinks lambdabot has a very conservative line length
< 1305836166 127603 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of the haskell ShowS type used with the Show class, it's more efficient than concatenating strings
< 1305836168 131356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably trying to avoid annoyingly long lines
< 1305836173 213662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in a high-traffic channel, after all
< 1305836184 942436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i guess
< 1305836194 814146 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Show
< 1305836194 896500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class  Show a  where
< 1305836194 982493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    showsPrec :: Int -> a -> ShowS
< 1305836194 982593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    show      :: a   -> String
< 1305836195 66703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    showList  :: [a] -> ShowS
< 1305836222 146359 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :showsPrec and showList use it, although show can be defined instead
< 1305836235 715699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ShowS
< 1305836235 801473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type ShowS = String -> String
< 1305836279 778626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically it makes showing nested stuff linear rather than quadratic in time
< 1305836293 396690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1305836327 92017 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function composition is associative, so string concatenation can be also made associative when the list implementation is not
< 1305836358 354802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :list concatenation is also associative, mind you
< 1305836384 949173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is partly about not needing to construct intermediate strings
< 1305836404 384691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just because it avoids ++
< 1305836409 407672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the function already "has a pointer" to its terminating []
< 1305836414 450853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can just replace it with the string provided
< 1305836415 289603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to speak
< 1305836442 207243 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, i forgot to add "in linear time or whatsoever".
< 1305836445 562046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat similar to prolog difference lists iirc
< 1305836446 4015 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are correct
< 1305836511 389622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, that makes sense
< 1305836511 767306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right.
< 1305836512 928388 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convergent evolution?
< 1305836528 617175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :difference lists are an incredible thing that Prolog would come up with, they're both really prologgy and not at the same time
< 1305836533 19179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure prolog is rather older than haskell
< 1305836582 972830 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some haskell historians can find out when the Show class got that way
< 1305836609 871679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is also similar to that list fusion stuff which permeates ghc these days
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< 1305836676 557391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think polymorphism would break that in this case
< 1305836718 384871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that good producer/consumer thing, i think there are different fusion ideas but i'm not sure of the differences
< 1305836768 539433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :polymorphism?
< 1305836787 689202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of show
< 1305836796 527600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't fuse a function it doesn't know about...
< 1305836804 99581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1305837051 448121 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pesterchum is the best name for anything ever.
< 1305837062 702709 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let me know when you go to play PH?
< 1305837069 907540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already am. It's going terribly though.
< 1305837082 967869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're both doing equally badly.
< 1305837094 504868 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, I wanted to watch
< 1305837100 541028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can watch the next match.
< 1305837101 208486 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll just have to watch the replay
< 1305837103 768311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1305837141 925908 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305837229 207469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: AnythingGoes, game is named PH a bunch of times, password is PH.
< 1305837231 311612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If I back-of-the-virtual-envelope calculated correctly, a 1cm x 1cm patch of a blackbody radiator at 140620634384 °C would emit about 18 gigawatts of energy in the [9, 14] µm wavelength range used by infrared thermography devices; it's still quite a sensor to be able to deal with that.
< 1305837243 57281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you too.
< 1305837259 511480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha
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< 1305837478 399134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it'd just have to be at a sufficient distance
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< 1305838894 584528 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gigawatts, eh?
< 1305838904 158843 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably powering a flux capacitor, then.
< 1305839027 257778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Phantom_Hoover: Sorry.
< 1305839028 757993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WA fucked up.
< 1305839034 933344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting it.
< 1305839065 265116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sgeo_: Ping.
< 1305839106 8713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong.
< 1305839111 264718 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1305839139 707764 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spongy pong
< 1305839144 323102 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pongy
< 1305839161 979100 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305839162 64050 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305839167 475364 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Phantom_Hoover: Sorrryyyy
< 1305839181 176665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305839191 176108 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305839386 344400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK
< 1305839456 109926 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldbwe quit again?
< 1305839463 781534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305839485 290396 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm half wondering if I should host
< 1305839496 352449 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it would be WormNAT2
< 1305839496 708680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, apparently Sony PSN was attacked again, because it seems email address + date of birth is enough to reset someone's password
< 1305839504 232851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the hackers obviously had that information
< 1305839516 806149 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: My game is crashy.
< 1305839518 838885 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't help.
< 1305839522 77725 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want to play without me :'(
< 1305839528 285488 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nono
< 1305839534 7061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNIFF
< 1305839534 761899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNIFF
< 1305839535 277061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNIFF
< 1305839549 386571 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305839582 118870 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:
< 1305839620 401336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm just trying to decrease the vertical resolution.
< 1305839647 952928 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305839667 860841 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: get in here
< 1305841017 987805 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-67.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305841018 178407 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305841040 53674 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305842083 689603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305842653 301719 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305843176 629425 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1305843177 151219 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1305843178 724828 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1305843455 18259 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305843455 117901 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305843552 98502 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305843738 922644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305844393 446525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305844670 999472 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something I'm good at relative to elliott!
< 1305844776 452733 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-34-16.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to marry him?
< 1305844797 594579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1305845016 326120 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :failkin
< 1305845034 870234 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305845057 421698 :failkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1305845115 250898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzerokin
< 1305845154 820812 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpluskin
< 1305845209 57603 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305845209 139310 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305845309 176401 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1305845309 359467 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305845314 962146 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305845457 228843 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-122-73.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305845821 991090 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305846518 536133 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305846795 627668 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott, are we playing again, or is tis enough?
< 1305846822 560028 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure
< 1305846827 420817 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just waiting for you to come back
< 1305846837 765830 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to... copy over these maps and schemes
< 1305846851 3716 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, want to try Tube Trap?
< 1305846855 426361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1305846879 652091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on
< 1305846883 906378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms2d.info/Tube_Trap
< 1305846956 75153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it any fun
< 1305846969 140860 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, but I'm bad at judging what is and isn't fun
< 1305846988 938623 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i guess, does that hosting bot thing have it, i guess that would be the easiest way of doing this, ?
< 1305846995 924348 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have WormKit installed, meh
< 1305846997 478850 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea
< 1305847020 695294 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms2d.info/images/1/1b/TubeTrap04_TheBirds.png looks legitimate
< 1305847035 942756 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brrrdz
< 1305847047 257916 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clcktwr
< 1305847063 886230 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :put through a mirror too
< 1305847120 399665 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Google: Start working
< 1305847124 956950 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear me: Why am I googling
< 1305847139 399483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hostingbuddy doesn't have tubetrap
< 1305847161 376069 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: up for a roperace?
< 1305847165 820317 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, sure
< 1305847176 101645 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should be able to host tube trap eventually
< 1305847201 568540 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password is PH
< 1305847201 711586 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305847223 36147 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305847296 973392 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305847494 490916 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glug glug went the Sgeo
< 1305847812 980450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:49:20:  "i have recursion on my penis" must the greatest pick-up line ever
< 1305847813 517171 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:49:31:  it has both sexual predator AND geeky loser
< 1305848054 712977 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were all in love with drowning they were doing it in Worms
< 1305848214 748051 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305848496 917126 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305848536 17449 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305848536 159527 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305848550 524104 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, let me set up WormNAT2 and I'll host Tube Trap
< 1305848558 9723 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i already created a new game but ok
< 1305848597 136412 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: quick roper first?
< 1305848617 250053 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to set this up, then roper, then Tube Trap
< 1305848644 33257 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1305848676 87177 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305848805 407151 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305848837 523746 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya
< 1305848885 530912 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: asdfghjk
< 1305848892 540845 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on
< 1305848934 502099 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need permissions to change a shortcut on my desktop?
< 1305848937 508471 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1305849528 365510 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305849604 638671 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305849617 582995 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305849811 347426 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1305849924 670072 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305851846 193171 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305851931 530258 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305852066 400073 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305852128 531705 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh searching for I II III IIII IVI IIIVII IIIIIVIII gives only 3 google hits and one is to #esoteric logs
< 1305852151 769752 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two others are in french
< 1305852227 591716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: X-D
< 1305852232 889607 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate?
< 1305852276 269567 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if i search for I II III IIV IIIIV instead i get two relevant references, one which links to the other, which is mistyped and by conway
< 1305852307 674231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where he claims that there is a constant for it, with low algebraic degree
< 1305852339 197807 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it's tc?
< 1305852356 409368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, contact conway ;D
< 1305852371 349125 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1305852371 625174 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems unlikely if it has a matrix to predict its growth
< 1305852388 626482 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Conway know about Gemini?
< 1305852400 915321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is gemini?
< 1305852412 507436 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at oerjan 
< 1305852433 864747 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gemini
< 1305852448 620531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaceship that moves by self-replication
< 1305852483 582531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also moves obliquely
< 1305852486 863263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one
< 1305852490 239220 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(word taken from life wiki)
< 1305852522 418034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the word conway does _not_ trigger gol as its first association in my mind
< 1305852537 614119 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1305852540 995616 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means gemini is a couple steps too far
< 1305852589 289476 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305852589 371205 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1305852589 371293 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305852615 998058 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i clicked conways wp talk page
< 1305852619 530713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read "John has indeed been married three times. First wife Eileen, second wife Larissa, third wife Diana. His son Alex was born in 1983, and Oliver in 1988, to answer the below question."
< 1305852622 78568 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought "whoa creepy"
< 1305852624 527912 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next line
< 1305852625 851836 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diana Conway 24.225.176.66 03:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)"
< 1305852811 119085 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1305852826 151032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had forgotten that #esoteric discussion from last year
< 1305852832 837641 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which discussion
< 1305852846 454421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about roman numeral look and say
< 1305852854 73690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2010-06-20.txt
< 1305852860 402277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr having one of those
< 1305852873 629376 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man ksf was an idiot even back then
< 1305852879 681396 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't i remember him so i could have ignored him sooner when he came here
< 1305852883 722032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some discussion but maybe mostly me monologuing
< 1305852899 573868 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a discussion for us :)
< 1305852908 984353 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 NICK :fpa
< 1305852911 766579 :fpa!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i'm holding this nick hostage
< 1305852913 698779 :fpa!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by registering it)
< 1305852955 601269 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird thing is i'm saying things on that page which i distinctly recall rederiving in the past week or two :D
< 1305853091 397455 :fpa!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1305853093 602464 :fpa!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sign of senility
< 1305853096 539433 :fpa!~elliott@95.149.229.248 NICK :elliott
< 1305853107 322488 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.229.248 QUIT :Changing host
< 1305853107 404846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305853860 705350 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305854052 60068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:17:08:  ooh, i got a _really_ stupid idea!
< 1305854052 363671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:17:29:  wow this will be retarded.
< 1305854052 445158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:20:03:  wow i'm like the genius of retarded.
< 1305854624 187084 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305855634 341393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does Mycology test IMAP?
< 1305855723 174310 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-76.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305855833 225926 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db41f36.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305858960 171035 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305858962 447009 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1305858977 17339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh
< 1305859016 886585 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother brought a stm32 evaluation board from work and I'm trying to figure if it's possible to use it as a target platform for a demoscene demo
< 1305859056 859422 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arm cortex-m3 microcontroller board)
< 1305859057 529481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything's a viable platform for a demo
< 1305859062 452116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jacquard loom? totally.
< 1305859072 454169 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1305859096 981254 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure if it's possible to get VGA or NTSC output
< 1305859115 930351 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of stuff that will look cool on a projector
< 1305859174 585445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, ASCII should be enough for anyone
< 1305859225 501634 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the board's display is 16x2 ascii
< 1305859301 216338 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a row of 16 LEDs
< 1305859312 265500 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1305859394 835532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :light show + ascii art problem solved
< 1305859429 88751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus CHRIST this code is ugly
< 1305859450 834225 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem yeah right
< 1305859479 789603 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to get either the right sequence of bits out of one of the series port
< 1305859482 98034 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1305859490 97051 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get NTSC
< 1305859492 279852 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :colors
< 1305859504 191041 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it probably has the wrong clock rate for that)
< 1305859504 774937 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305859512 427933 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively
< 1305859520 304658 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a bunch of pins and output VGA
< 1305859593 759397 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1305859635 373526 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that thing runs at like 80mips
< 1305859645 772285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a lot of instructins
< 1305859648 780069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instructions
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< 1305859662 440988 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 mhz cut down ARM
< 1305859757 97105 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the board has a sound output
< 1305859765 658233 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pretty much solves sound from the outset
< 1305859777 229640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use some of the bits of the sound port for video output :D
< 1305859778 256887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of, even
< 1305859806 25994 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sound is done with PWM
< 1305859832 886389 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305859841 933341 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus probably doesn't run at the ridiculous speeds you need for video (6mhz)
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< 1305859939 371416 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.6mhz = 320x400 or 320x480 VGA video pixel rate
< 1305859973 92496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs that kinda resolution
< 1305859975 239446 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-127-76.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305859982 290843 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1305859992 356673 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA has a minimum line rate :(
< 1305859999 837876 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: There's no real requirement for that to be analog.
< 1305860027 775730 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, it's not going to be doing color unless it's NTSC, but hey.
< 1305860030 797856 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the horiz rate isn't at least 30khz I'm pretty sure the projector won't show it
< 1305860069 55842 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTSC has a kinda more gentle rate of ~16khz
< 1305860080 880223 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its color encoding scheme is crazy
< 1305860111 972646 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fake it with black and white output.
< 1305860135 914376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, crazy color encoding isn't unique to NTSC.
< 1305860159 71390 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this board has the right clock rate to easily simulate ntsc colors unfortunately
< 1305860166 614992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the color analog TV standards do a form of analog QAM encoded into the signal.
< 1305860175 418296 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is approximately "fucking crazy".
< 1305860177 298177 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right
< 1305860214 940837 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a 72 MHz ARM. Surely you can clock a digital output line at a reasonably fast rate with that sort of CPU.
< 1305860223 837745 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to VGA's "put the right voltages on the R, G, B, Hsync, Vsync" pins
< 1305860271 898757 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. Aparently the SPI ports run at "18Mhz max"
< 1305860293 930191 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty speedy for NTSC video.
< 1305860302 145677 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah
< 1305860317 924513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And psuedocolor.
< 1305860321 604201 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't line up with the NTSC color carrier freq tho
< 1305860389 447697 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would probably produce weird rainbow shifts across the screen
< 1305860422 591391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty
< 1305860501 71442 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if it was a 800mips processor you could probably just render in 32bpp and translate into bit patterns at the end
< 1305860517 583224 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more like ~80mips so dunno
< 1305860523 502574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentally files "Landon Stewart" under "idiot".
< 1305860546 759225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: how much faster is it than a commodore sixtyfour? :P
< 1305860574 761739 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 times probably
< 1305860646 59540 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, if you got an NTSC color burst that matched your used color carrier, it'd work just fine on common displays.
< 1305860658 742220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not work for broadcasting, but oh well.
< 1305860687 295704 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how ntsc TVs implement color burst and how they react to frequency variation
< 1305860724 345016 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have a burst every line then that locks the rate somewhat yeah
< 1305860741 288674 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a lot of computers and consoles in the 70s and 80s did something similar.
< 1305860765 951642 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305860785 586112 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik NESes and AMIGAs have clock rates chosen specifically around the ntsc color carier
< 1305860794 423403 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you could get analog black and white out, you could use the CGA trick.
< 1305860804 10554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: csixtyfour too
< 1305860809 719000 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the CGA trick is the same thing
< 1305860810 100270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, never mind.
< 1305860826 576730 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CGA trick is just two-level output, but based on the color carrier.
< 1305860850 607947 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :still gets you 16 colors
< 1305860859 550055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq_
< 1305860860 366209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiro
< 1305860869 103522 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you need to output at a specific clock rate for that
< 1305860896 651554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational multiplier of the color carrier.
< 1305860930 834152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within a certain range, I'd imagine.
< 1305860989 855171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Could not deduce (Functor m) arising from a use of `<$>'
< 1305860990 18619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    from the context (MonadShiro m)
< 1305860991 366351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fucking hell
< 1305861034 324978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    No instance for (Applicative (MaybeT Shiro))
< 1305861034 597017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      arising from the superclasses of an instance declaration
< 1305861034 678015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asfdgh
< 1305861043 30751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Applicative
< 1305861043 114613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Functor f => Applicative f where
< 1305861043 114785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    pure  :: a -> f a
< 1305861043 114902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (<*>) :: f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1305861165 711407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ok this is a huge pain in the ass
< 1305861437 531192 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: this arm thing seems to run at speeds that are various multiples of 6mhz
< 1305861467 238054 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :72mhz, 48mhz, 36mhz, 24mhz, 12mhz specifically mentioned in the datasheets
< 1305861477 852956 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Guess you're not getting sane color, then.
< 1305861491 367002 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305861500 289490 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you've got a *few* such outputs, in which case you could probably do VGA or NTSC component.
< 1305861549 716480 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the chip's pins can be reassigned as general purpose IOs
< 1305861582 690311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?undo do {   r <- liftShiro ((Just <$> io m) `catchShiro` \(e::IOException) -> return Nothing); MaybeT (return r) }
< 1305861582 771962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse error in pattern at "->" (column 71)
< 1305861584 992152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305861594 42685 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might be able to get me 15bpp VGA color... but the cpu power requirements for that are probably kinda stiff
< 1305861595 860377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka "60000/1001 Hz 480 line analog component video, YPbPr, sync on Y")
< 1305861597 895920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?undo do { r <- x; MaybeT (return r) }
< 1305861597 977851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x >>= \ r -> MaybeT (return r)
< 1305861601 373617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?. pl undo do { r <- x; MaybeT (return r) }
< 1305861601 455731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaybeT . return =<< x
< 1305861619 513183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioMaybe :: IO a -> MaybeT Shiro a
< 1305861619 678456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioMaybe m = MaybeT . return =<< liftShiro ((Just <$> io m) `catchShiro` \(e::IOException) -> return Nothing)
< 1305861621 867793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely I can do better than that.
< 1305861661 804217 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually...
< 1305861678 959951 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: With just two outputs I think you could do S-Video.
< 1305861753 832697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle guard
< 1305861753 914439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad guard :: MonadPlus m => Bool -> m ()
< 1305861753 996305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH data Guard
< 1305861753 996461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.Syntax data Guard
< 1305861789 801767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yes the code is getting so much better
< 1305861819 3143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybeT :: Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305861821 235061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a better name for this
< 1305861823 418827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions?
< 1305861832 20091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait
< 1305861833 759010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just MaybeT
< 1305861835 789608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not
< 1305861878 665202 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YPbPr might be a good idea
< 1305862035 525161 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1305862132 522145 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mostly because it's similar to vga but lets you use half the horiz refresh rate and share sync info
< 1305862150 549384 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colorspace is a bit bizarre, though.
< 1305862176 400563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, so technically it's a change of basis of the RGB colorspace. But still annoying.
< 1305862400 68630 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305862479 905906 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I'm not certain their video projector will have a YCrCb input
< 1305862488 790143 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas all of them have a VGA input
< 1305862513 280330 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305862546 295019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know what's the best
< 1305862704 793159 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :second
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< 1305863512 227738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg tomorrow is the raptjure
< 1305863532 541325 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, tomorrow is Friday, you damned Britishman.
< 1305863573 172341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suht the fuck up americaevil
< 1305863619 492239 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when on saturday is the rapture
< 1305863658 393353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :raptune
< 1305863663 785981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its................
< 1305863664 700990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time party
< 1305863674 390234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts... in australia....or new zzealand...the timez0nes
< 1305863678 166984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am not joking they seriously believe this)
< 1305863685 46271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it expands to less sheepfucking....areas of the....globe
< 1305863724 57116 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it expand in all directions or just a few
< 1305863737 216125 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gradual rapture sounds pretty inconvenient
< 1305863750 683099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ok because
< 1305863752 691470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you hear the news
< 1305863755 926884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEEPFUCKERS DECIMATED
< 1305863757 40338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1305863760 37750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :become christain
< 1305863763 73539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ull be taken
< 1305863769 401027 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a deal
< 1305863776 970453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure salvation is irrevocable.
< 1305863782 763176 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I'm secretly a sheepfucker
< 1305863784 994822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I win.
< 1305863792 583244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: just go eat some babies
< 1305863796 826773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god will make an exception
< 1305863815 230694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What do you think I eat 3 meals a day?
< 1305863816 249712 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dood, it's the rapture! Dat shit gonna rapture everywhere bitch!
< 1305863826 114007 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Animal* flesh? That's disgusting, man.
< 1305863845 274309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm go to bed now when its just getting light
< 1305863847 191290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fix this code first
< 1305864470 822452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan when you need him
< 1305864674 356660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... it is five am...
< 1305864676 536693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should
< 1305864677 885304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to slepe
< 1305864679 769309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slepe
< 1305864717 845113 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305864756 597745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_
< 1305864758 4777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name my function
< 1305864774 974475 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your... function?
< 1305864785 156501 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like id?
< 1305864833 672896 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305864848 346802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1305864853 554131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? :: (Monad m) => Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305864853 732781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? = MaybeT . return
< 1305864854 650463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name it
< 1305864866 307308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go to sleep but i can't until its named
< 1305864885 141949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]it's
< 1305864967 905891 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makeTransformer
< 1305864973 597497 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalize
< 1305864988 332623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305864995 705183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the worst fucking names ive veer heard im going back to hashhaskell
< 1305865016 722556 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes it something more compattibible with use in a monad stack, right?
< 1305865052 757096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no never mind
< 1305865054 929846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: liftMaybe
< 1305865059 149596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: its not a lift
< 1305865075 365835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, perhaps I should sleep.
< 1305865079 440198 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower
< 1305865088 646458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> lift :: M a -> MaybeT M a
< 1305865088 752454 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I should listen to Animals again.
< 1305865088 834544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> foo :: Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305865091 219081 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um no that maes no ense
< 1305865106 759095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely the latter.
< 1305865231 178482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq_
< 1305865232 728394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is five twenty
< 1305865233 341609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am
< 1305865234 77285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i
< 1305865236 575189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed-><_
< 1305865239 818649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so then
< 1305865241 316740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name my function
< 1305865242 115751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can
< 1305865242 461702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed
< 1305865260 410247 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305865283 247980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe
< 1305865332 348457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe
< 1305865332 958334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b
< 1305865334 16391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again
< 1305865374 342933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1305865376 230586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ill go to bed
< 1305865634 333992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305865872 719471 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.
< 1305866671 984128 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapture? i don't wanna die :((
< 1305866963 128802 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the rapture, the discoture
< 1305866991 474481 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :october 21
< 1305866999 649950 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for you maybe, but i've had anal sex :(
< 1305867025 12809 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a filthy unbeliever
< 1305867031 817433 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :filthy atheist at that
< 1305867041 821110 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly jesus loves you, but here he is, blowing up the world
< 1305867044 940053 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that love
< 1305867072 54703 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was just putting up a front until god gave him some powah
< 1305867149 852923 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: The alternative is believing in *and worshipping* Yahweh, as interpreted by a particular form of Christianity.
< 1305867193 122968 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about you, but I'm of the opinion that if Yahweh existed, he wouldn't be deserving of worship.
< 1305867259 766888 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :love everyone kill everyone send everyone to hell
< 1305867260 656799 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any christians in here btw?
< 1305867270 978018 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not; I want my fun.
< 1305867328 840689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does former Christian count?
< 1305867330 974547 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh no christians I guess
< 1305867604 798580 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barely believe in christianity
< 1305867687 736571 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "Barely"?
< 1305867708 688991 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Inquiry: what evidence is there for the claims of Christianity?
< 1305867721 833179 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you solve #5225 in freecell? :\ it seems like the obvious approach is to empty the rightmost column right away without leaving anything up, but it seems like you get stuck if you do that
< 1305867735 335966 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some bad evidence. :P
< 1305867740 408979 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well people say they're christian sometimes
< 1305867748 617311 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not completely sure they're lying
< 1305867755 6888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the *existence of the faith*.
< 1305867758 641709 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm somewhat agnostic in that sense
< 1305867760 208855 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305867761 197475 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No argument.
< 1305867776 202670 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305867777 242172 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's christianity
< 1305867824 106977 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: In short: the belief that a God had a son who was also God, who died and became a zombie to save us from our sins.
< 1305867875 373841 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where he kills people because he loves them
< 1305867877 313437 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking insane
< 1305867910 286175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the eternal torment for not believing combined with omnibenevolence is quite a trip.
< 1305867979 10689 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on an intellectual level i find it easy to believe in the existence of faith in general, everyone finds their own way to get out of circling the philosophical drain at times when you decide to realize life is sort of pointless, which i believe happens to all people who spend time thinking, occasionally. that people would choose the faith people next to them have is equally easy to believe. on an intellectual level. somehow i still have this feelin
< 1305868021 974305 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1305868025 914099 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have what feelin
< 1305868060 633459 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly not easy to believe, on an intellectual level, that people actually believe the bible stories :P but you know the general feeling of "christian god"
< 1305868075 809315 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i have this feeling christianity is just a big joke, we're just not in on it
< 1305868094 166524 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh you were being SARCASTIC! sorry us atheists are kind of slow sometimes."
< 1305868111 686072 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my dream
< 1305868142 94272 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory: that's what "rapture" actually means, they just chicken out every time.
< 1305868159 860417 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305868165 939346 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it means they tell us
< 1305868316 770209 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the brick testament
< 1305868375 836390 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3mg of melatonin taken
< 1305868377 349448 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading its rendition of revelation
< 1305868378 744191 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff
< 1305868472 139426 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_anger_and_insults/mt05_21a.html
< 1305868535 475993 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it uses qui-gon jinn as jesus
< 1305868628 183717 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got personal experience for the existence of Christians.
< 1305868646 586173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having once been one, I can be sure that there at least *was* at least one person who actually believed it.
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< 1305868660 651362 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that helps others too much.
< 1305868722 618310 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305868763 149047 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you telling me there are christians who don't believe?
< 1305868766 687923 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?!? http://www.bricktestament.com/judges/samson_commits_mass_murder/jg14_01.html
< 1305868777 836990 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the... that's a joke right :D
< 1305868788 621038 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this stuff keep surprising me
< 1305868811 672773 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! :D
< 1305868846 362895 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that story is the most horrible thing ever
< 1305868847 924870 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur
< 1305868858 141103 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup you
< 1305868866 523318 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm going to take a shower now
< 1305868871 922853 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise good
< 1305868900 967743 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the ending is like... wtf
< 1305868910 381663 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: welcome to the old testament
< 1305868946 296236 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unlike the beginning where good took over the guy and made him wanna have sex with an unclean one.
< 1305868953 816634 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*god
< 1305868987 319613 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't they rename satan to bad and use baad instead of bad, would make much more sense
< 1305868989 478544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Old Testament is the land of God endorsing an absurd amount of reprehensible behavior.
< 1305869021 209849 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the concept of free will was invented later?
< 1305869028 869267 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is a blend of confusing beliefs.
< 1305869039 352837 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concept of *monotheism* was invented after much of it was written.
< 1305869087 784502 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :old testament has way too much wars and "10000 men were killed" and so on
< 1305869091 946134 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah god had sent most of the text down before realizing the retards didn't even get the basic framework yet
< 1305869107 242308 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he gave a few seminars and then send the new testament
< 1305869115 943839 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sent
< 1305869255 922281 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: There's also the obvious after-the-fact editing.
< 1305869271 64957 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So God spoke to God"
< 1305869306 228132 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: didn't knew of that one
< 1305869317 175378 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one classic is the 2 deaths of judah
< 1305869342 994409 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all *over* the place.
< 1305869352 366523 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :	japanese is like golfing for speech
< 1305869355 94163 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does he come around?
< 1305869361 81744 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to give him a few internets.
< 1305869454 315511 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading the revelation is like
< 1305869460 370040 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no loving god would do that
< 1305869469 712131 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that also applies to other parts of the bible
< 1305869502 630572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the early Jewish deities: Asherah, El, Yahweh, Baal.
< 1305869536 496748 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first three are held to be names of God.
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< 1305869586 871748 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the Old Testament still has the *names* of the pantheon.
< 1305869752 268970 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :el and baal are classic semitic gods afaik. don't know anything about the other ones
< 1305869779 422601 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all fairly typical semitic gods.
< 1305869812 732935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Jews are and were just a single group of semitic tribesmen, really.
< 1305870015 308196 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305870026 34256 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is good:
< 1305870026 620357 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bricktestament.com/king_david/god_kills_70000_israelites/2s24_01p1ch21_01.html
< 1305870142 220307 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, the stories you never hear a Christian talk about.
< 1305870154 143898 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of loving god is that
< 1305870168 895118 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that one is relatively well known I think
< 1305870216 852265 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Relatively, sure.
< 1305870224 390044 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still glossed over by most.
< 1305870324 922880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, the documentary hypothesis is something they're ignorant of, unless they went to seminary.
< 1305870388 718868 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i getting this right, god orders him to take a census and kills everyone because he does?
< 1305870408 656919 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1305870416 911215 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a euphemism for kill everyone
< 1305870420 768092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God's a complete dick.
< 1305870422 771760 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this would indeed make more sense with two gods
< 1305870437 480115 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's taking a census bad exactly?
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< 1305870460 57714 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's how you prove the polynomial hierarchy collapses to theta_2 if you have a sparse np-complete set :\
< 1305870496 48240 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and various other things)
< 1305870665 70132 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bricktestament.com/king_david/god_kills_70000_israelites/2s24_25b.html xD
< 1305870889 40936 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of reverse psychology attempt?
< 1305870940 369332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works much better if you imagine there were two deities. Sadly, I think David takes place after monotheism.
< 1305871018 538453 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be just one deity with some sort of personality disorder. I hear there's all kinds of.
< 1305871101 646490 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wilderness, and the part from Joshua to King Solomon is like... war pillage rape death
< 1305871138 62513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-181-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's the history of just about everyone in that part of the world.
< 1305871142 831102 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the brick testament)
< 1305871158 852174 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah that's typical antiquity
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< 1305873239 826477 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lorsque Joram eut pris possession du royaume de son père et qu'il se fut fortifié, il fit mourir par l'épée tous ses frères et quelques-uns aussi des chefs d'Israël. "
< 1305873242 113069 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice guy
< 1305873476 493118 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42f41.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :h[a]gb4rd
< 1305875007 320663 :madbr!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe it's just me but the bible has lots of death and punishment but not quite as much for kings
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< 1305892228 643625 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you guys doing to prepare for the end of the world
< 1305892398 908443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating breakfast
< 1305893005 409813 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be freed from your earthly shell on an empty stomach, huh?
< 1305893082 817964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one's yet told me how I can help to end the world, so I haven't prepared at all.
< 1305893147 260156 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you made the earth spin faster it'd end sooner
< 1305893156 690130 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have much time now
< 1305893639 997516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's nuke the world first.
< 1305893667 186455 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they ever say what time it would occur?
< 1305893670 765499 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 pm
< 1305893683 465968 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT?
< 1305893689 308656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no let's _stop_ the world spinning.  the side effects should be minimal compared to the apocalypse, right?
< 1305893692 985138 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, in whatever time zone you're in
< 1305893709 963328 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earthquake is going to move all the way around the earth, forming a neat arc
< 1305893719 640475 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh
< 1305893720 309443 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it'll suddenly rush forward for time zones that are wide
< 1305893723 89432 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will move in discrete steps, no?
< 1305893724 975925 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know
< 1305893732 644472 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should ask someone who knows more about this
< 1305893734 873369 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :entire time zones at a time
< 1305893750 42915 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they even come up with this number?
< 1305893753 958863 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=rapture+6+pm
< 1305893758 705095 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US should declare that the year in that country is now 0
< 1305893774 469877 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mathematical calculation based on multiplying three numbers that represent heaven, atonement and (something else I forget) then squaring them
< 1305893778 528187 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once knew a guy who nowadays thinks he's the reincarnated Jesus, and he's very convinced it'll happen
< 1305893780 412215 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then adding them to when jesus died on the cross
< 1305893784 632879 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it ends up exactly on may 21st
< 1305893787 852616 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's also performed cunnilingus on dogs, so ...)
< 1305893793 892678 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu.
< 1305893815 296926 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution is for a country to declare that the year there is 0, and that time will be based on 4 hour days from then on.
< 1305893835 430761 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And spoil numerologists' fun?
< 1305893838 81620 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't Israel be destroyed ages back in that case?
< 1305893856 165782 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2011 end times prediction made by Christian radio host Harold Camping states that the Rapture (in premillennial theology, the taking up into heaven of God's elect people) will take place on May 21, 2011[1][2] at 6 p.m. local time (the rapture will sweep the globe time zone by time zone)[3]
< 1305893856 510479 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hebrew calendar is on the year 6000ish by now
< 1305893861 514118 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it's 6 pm in each time zone
< 1305893875 901900 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: it was.  several times.
< 1305893886 756078 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah but not properly
< 1305893893 794894 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's back!
< 1305893900 817864 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, besides.
< 1305893904 681273 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the people in space or the moon?
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< 1305893912 885476 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hasn't the calendar been adjusted multiple times since 0 AD anyway
< 1305893915 814146 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I wonder if Camping thinks time zones are god-given or that they are a natural universal or something
< 1305893937 854704 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: loads of times, and sometimes independently in different countries
< 1305893943 436878 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden, for instance, has had a february 30th once.
< 1305893961 451591 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305893967 82480 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do people on the moon get raptured?
< 1305893967 584556 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also doesn't relativity screw up the idea of the rapture starting everywhere at once -anyway-
< 1305893985 825404 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I'm quite sure not.
< 1305893986 79826 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: there aren't anyone on the moon other than that nazi base anyway
< 1305893993 109933 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only frames of reference are skewed, right?
< 1305894009 15723 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but those are all righteous men, and therefore will be raptured
< 1305894013 632692 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm talking theoreticals.
< 1305894015 549637 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :People on the earth are in a different frame of reference from people on the earth but in a supersonic jet or people on the moon
< 1305894022 420196 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: sounds reasonable.
< 1305894026 803731 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's enough to make it ambiguous
< 1305894058 732410 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him what exactly "6PM" is defined as.
< 1305894066 448458 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides.
< 1305894069 266275 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are clearly wrong.
< 1305894070 337265 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a rapture themed esolang
< 1305894072 613966 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan has already been raptured.
< 1305894081 68302 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305894084 348161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also relativity is rubbish, the earth is the center of the universe duh
< 1305894084 906923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make a prediction to schedule a thread to execute at a certain point in the future
< 1305894097 187158 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu.
< 1305894097 910865 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also.
< 1305894100 586686 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can skip the rapturation part if you just wait until 5:30pm in your time zone, and then walk over the border to some place where it's already 6:30pm and it's gone past?
< 1305894108 553325 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan has already been raptured! How does that work out?
< 1305894114 788645 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they?
< 1305894118 9563 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to the tentacle pron, nobody was saved)
< 1305894122 9091 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like japan had the first 9.0 earthquake
< 1305894123 185072 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: shouldn't it be a lang that doesn't do what the source code tells it to at the point in the future, but presents an elaborate theological excuse why it didn't
< 1305894131 717976 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk that's what I was thinking
< 1305894134 656556 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: not very many christians there anyway
< 1305894136 922438 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it never actually runs anything
< 1305894141 855223 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu.
< 1305894143 493903 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just acts as thouigh it's going to
< 1305894159 968167 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have it have a "savior" clause that is the conditional to start the thread.
< 1305894197 710901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1305894206 717324 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime_sieve() failed to start because Jesus heard our sincere prayers and spared our CPU from its great burden.
< 1305894212 687731 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Praise to the Lord!
< 1305894256 554663 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Insufficient faith, please pray again later."
< 1305894296 103425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of faith error
< 1305894302 431574 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certain variables will be set as 'christian'. When the rapture starts they will be taken into heaven (stdout) and print out their contents
< 1305894315 270843 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinners, however, stay on this earth and are static
< 1305894353 272314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the great garbage collection, anyway
< 1305894373 80052 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinners are corrupt, and so will randomly hold the wrong value to spite you
< 1305894396 891658 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Jesus finally comes the program exits otherwise it will run forever
< 1305894411 565996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If no prediction ever comes true this is fated to happen
< 1305894530 914803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are only permitted to set String variables to contain verses of the bible. The KJB of course, the true English bible
< 1305894550 168433 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now internationalization is impossible, as it should be
< 1305894577 322081 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/5kpZ9Z6n
< 1305894593 724107 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failure to set a String variable correctly throws a FalseTeachingException
< 1305894595 36154 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is my proposal for the basic idea of said programming language.
< 1305894616 640793 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you probably get an alignment error if you try to read a blessed variable from a sinful context.
< 1305894622 175880 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1305894627 185184 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictions and saviors are the only flow control systems.
< 1305894647 953867 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, question is.
< 1305894653 708709 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you define those contexts?
< 1305894709 495221 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the manmade/godgiven idea
< 1305894748 26378 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best thing about rapture mania btw is the USA centricism of it
< 1305894781 205658 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just be an inherited thread-local property, with the possibility of invoking some special script(ure)s to change it under suitable conditions.
< 1305894802 92186 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL scriptures
< 1305894815 645061 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of packages, testaments?
< 1305894834 484130 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1305894837 244310 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu.
< 1305894844 806508 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of a nightmare can you make a programming language like this?
< 1305894874 857470 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose that the only way to control code flow is to create new threads with a delay, and be able to stop delayed threads from executing.
< 1305894885 299258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can only schedule them in real time
< 1305894902 590774 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the The Brick Testament page that was linked-to earlier on-channel, I had the tab left open, and misread one title as "Jacob's Wireless God". That sounded rather interesting. (In reality it was either the "Jacob's Wives Compete" or "Jacob Wrestles God" one.)
< 1305894907 870449 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can waitfor(therapture) and do nothing until it executes
< 1305894927 917691 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitfor(therapture) sounds vaguely ~ATHish.
< 1305894949 179017 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1305894963 300863 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In each module, a variable is either christian, neutral, or sinful.
< 1305894979 443713 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a rapture command is used, all christian variables are printed in the order they are defined in the source file, with a new line between each.
< 1305895004 677656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry but i am sure neutral variables are against christian dogma
< 1305895018 503493 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. guess so.
< 1305895030 202605 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways.
< 1305895050 827045 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's right
< 1305895053 110568 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're of god or you're not
< 1305895057 614140 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a command sin([some point-to-variable mechanism]) and a command atone([same])
< 1305895063 174873 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :These do the obvious.
< 1305895076 975014 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only variables accessable in the current scope are printed.
< 1305895093 101506 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw here's why may 21st: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/05/10/rapture_may_21/index.html click the 'continue reading' link on the first story, 'Why the world might end next Saturday'
< 1305895107 959450 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, is there any way to make it so that concurrency isn't just required, but required, and required to be messy?
< 1305895138 258169 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :By restricting how you can access variables?
< 1305895144 70376 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you could only access them from a different thread
< 1305895144 890331 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1305895151 83906 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno.
< 1305895153 256574 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I figured it out.
< 1305895174 153713 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :godgiven variables are mutable.
< 1305895179 987384 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if it's modified, the current context becomes sinful
< 1305895203 472397 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can this be made to be annoying?
< 1305895235 230930 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :There needs to be an incredibly detailed and functional Bible object in the main library
< 1305895267 674245 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the language be functional, procedural, or what?
< 1305895334 256014 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1305895344 161266 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is clearly the purest language conceivable
< 1305895346 188822 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's base it on that.
< 1305895569 678018 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: the bible object must be ignoreable, and very very flexible
< 1305895582 594894 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you start a thread going by making a prediction, how does it communicate with other threads and/or return results?
< 1305895587 333354 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What channels are available
< 1305895593 674726 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it part of the global scope
< 1305895618 429812 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, it communicates via global variables.
< 1305895619 338885 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Period.
< 1305895626 931435 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense
< 1305895635 342410 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, local scopes are moral relativism
< 1305895639 623224 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which the bible clearly forbids
< 1305895681 238612 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1305895684 28600 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's object orientation, there's no polymorphism because evolution is impossible (the bible guarantees it)
< 1305895691 643941 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going for rapture, you need dispensationalism
< 1305895695 708519 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a kind of moral relativism
< 1305895699 820078 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can local variables be accessed by nested predictions?
< 1305895704 589804 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :viz. God makes different ethical demands at different times
< 1305895715 839050 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ssssshhhhhh
< 1305895731 734639 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, use a sinful/pure mechanism.
< 1305895738 642198 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything with a local context is "sinful"
< 1305895743 201849 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything without one is "pure"
< 1305895749 896278 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most commands can only be used by pure threads.
< 1305895757 240360 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1305895782 948680 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to, you can write this up or start a wikipage on it or whatever
< 1305895788 852327 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see myself getting around to it if it's up to me
< 1305895791 270120 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a pure thread use most commands?
< 1305895800 937137 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sinners have fallen from the grace of God
< 1305895807 461576 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most commands are sinful in some way!
< 1305895810 416338 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing it is going to be NP-annoying
< 1305895814 186996 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hence thingss only sinners would want using
< 1305895824 379238 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything in the math library?
< 1305895825 411109 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming can be a Godly experience
< 1305895838 416206 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, heh.
< 1305895840 926827 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we need math to figure out our rapture predictions
< 1305895841 459715 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1305895842 988756 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elementary math
< 1305895846 858646 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pow()
< 1305895849 957142 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it annoying as possible, and make that the tag line?
< 1305895854 390601 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's add a graphics library.
< 1305895856 948587 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about OpenGL?
< 1305895863 443972 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, but.
< 1305895872 488334 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't have to be annoying, just thematic and different in some way
< 1305895875 733956 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying is just a bonus
< 1305895893 832913 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elementry math with pow means you can use this: http://www.xamuel.com/formula.php
< 1305895908 241477 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have flow control which can build a sum command.
< 1305895921 337248 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1305895929 421621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begone, vile high level math
< 1305895931 531346 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1305895941 505022 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's OpenGL support we need a WireCross() and SolidCross() function
< 1305895957 426668 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305896045 458286 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about input
< 1305896098 325842 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logos
< 1305896104 524723 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :God spoke the command line arguments into existence
< 1305896114 593319 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they were good (assuming no malformed input)
< 1305896161 808107 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I think base-22 would be good, btw, since hebrew has 22 letters
< 1305896177 228537 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hebrew?
< 1305896183 672304 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time a rapture monger read any hebrew
< 1305896186 691185 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I'd agree
< 1305896205 540420 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(base-26, the KJB has 26 letters)
< 1305896244 917397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we can work in begetting somehow.  beget  beget 
< 1305896250 65731 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe method chaining?
< 1305896291 728604 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :beget [object name] = constructor call?
< 1305896408 72856 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: the rapture-guys tend to have a weird thing for jews, really.
< 1305896416 777178 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but they don't read the stuff
< 1305896424 891770 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only care about jews so long as they bring about the end of the world
< 1305896427 971625 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not.
< 1305896434 676268 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1305896445 120223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :israel has to rebuild the great temple, I think
< 1305896447 595099 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1305896451 506961 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they need to be attacked?
< 1305896455 143131 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the jews also will be there after the rapture, and many of them think a third of them will be god's foot soldiers
< 1305896459 550752 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about we switch to lisp synax?
< 1305896461 96652 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax*
< 1305896464 748533 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we want to make a wikipage for this? what's our language called again?
< 1305896473 234683 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, let's work out the basics first.
< 1305896491 601246 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we have a call/cc-style command?
< 1305896495 397957 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to make sure the idea is down somewhere
< 1305896502 685258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know what's most appropriate beyond that
< 1305896542 229076 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, go ahead and make a page for it.
< 1305896547 518802 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it under language ideas.
< 1305896584 273800 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need a name then
< 1305896589 927821 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rapture?
< 1305896615 126275 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm.
< 1305896621 235367 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Rapture related enough, but I guess.
< 1305896631 9258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you be more Rapture related than Rapture
< 1305896632 763788 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I follow
< 1305896635 136762 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we make it usable and annoying, or useless and buggy.
< 1305896640 479998 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless and annoying*
< 1305896649 911269 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or neither.
< 1305896758 249146 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I still suggest we use a lisp derived syntax.
< 1305896924 107730 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any strong opinion on what the syntax is
< 1305896927 780859 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Started the page http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Rapture
< 1305896987 6174 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do appreciate all the thought you're putting into it, but you probably have a better idea of how the language should look than I do at this point
< 1305897014 230103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, limit some critical functions to pure threads, and some critical functions to unpure threads.
< 1305897022 332373 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can force threading to be used then.
< 1305897281 66036 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305897507 323208 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next act I guess, but I want to rewatch that
< 1305898306 510438 :Guest52131!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1305898384 713158 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305898589 983570 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Rapture
< 1305898597 562733 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to add on
< 1305899161 891519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305899797 763143 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, remind me to rereat Intermission at a later time
< 1305899805 129287 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite following it
< 1305899818 995073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean with all the time shenanigans?
< 1305899819 77308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1305899821 811044 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1305899836 674848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it's not even like there was a big update or anything what can he have to say.
< 1305899951 7557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't skip it, though, it becomes plot-relevant.
< 1305900624 642457 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not skipping anything
< 1305900641 650029 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except those stupid comics by Dave (I'm clicking them, but barely reading)
< 1305901353 576161 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305901397 931841 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305901399 163690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elliott reads this he is going to tear you a new one.
< 1305901441 14529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBaHJ is the best thing ever and you should be ashamed for not liking it.
< 1305901886 890418 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1305901904 857962 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a little strong
< 1305901936 296248 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1305901982 219401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, have you ever read SBaHJ.
< 1305902093 266439 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1305902102 953634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN HOW CAN YOU DISAGREE
< 1305902118 934202 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just being silly
< 1305902139 543409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO I'M NOT
< 1305902585 64348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305902994 42793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305903194 774224 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover (even though you are gone): That was incredibly silly!
< 1305903232 667626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He left just as I PMed him some trivial junk
< 1305903568 815414 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305903600 400912 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 .
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< 1305903804 106655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"£$"£$%ing connection.
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< 1305904267 195363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1305904270 15639 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​84)  What do you call the husband of my first cousin once removed?    Warrigal: "Hey, Sexy."
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< 1305908711 547935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/d3kvs/interestingly_137_is_also_the_atomic_number_of/
< 1305908725 851188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know I think that might not be a coincidence.
< 1305909619 307891 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called that on purpose it seems
< 1305909648 330959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a consequence of the calculations predicting the properties of trans-Feynmanium elements.
< 1305909676 310285 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-238-47.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305909679 659674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the velocity of the 1s electron is given by v=Z\alpha c.
< 1305909723 634519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if Z>1/\alpha, v > c, so the Bohr model breaks down.
< 1305909755 284972 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :205.172.19.193
< 1305909767 112171 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody set an IRC bot to notify this channel if that IP goes down?
< 1305909867 472096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the channel bots allow programs indefinite execution time.
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< 1305909934 792026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reinforced a ceiling today
< 1305909935 565922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd need to be a different bot
< 1305909979 326321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1305910031 490189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lymia wanted a bot set up to notify the channel if particular IPs went down
< 1305910040 829673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Phantom_Hoover said that none of the existing bots would do that on their current codebases, more or less
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< 1305910064 315141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, theory: the rapture will actually happen tomorrow, but there'll be sufficiently few perfectly devout Christians that nobody else will notice
< 1305910089 985644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would we want a bot like that?
< 1305910093 2424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just sounds spammy
< 1305910095 88208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't.
< 1305910096 833860 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For fun.
< 1305910097 902067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia does.
< 1305910105 372103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that whole rapture story?
< 1305910105 803244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i find your definition of fun wanting?
< 1305910118 147212 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it will spread across the time zones, right?
< 1305910122 676759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305910132 973127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the Bible almost certainly has contradictory commandments, so the chances of anyone following them all is 0 even if there are people that devout
< 1305910133 698953 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's set up a bot to ping a server on Hawaii 10 or so minutes after that time.
< 1305910144 970188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I don't think you have to be free from sin to get rapture'd
< 1305910152 180471 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then returns a result of "oh crap" or "No rapture here, time to laugh."
< 1305910163 233578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly God is in a synchronous orbit with Earth.
< 1305910166 577817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: we could just check the news to see "MAJORITY OF NEW ZEALAND DISAPPEARS" or something
< 1305910170 870361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the people left there would notice
< 1305910176 114498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And needs to wait for people to rotate into range of his disappearifier.
< 1305910179 270238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: oh, the issue is that the Bible didn't specify a timezone?
< 1305910190 844913 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Family News does.
< 1305910193 526521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so we're not sure exactly when in the day it'll happen?
< 1305910194 894672 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can laugh early.
< 1305910198 867994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's something like it just /happens/ to follow the timezone
< 1305910209 808544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but they've said it will definitely start in New Zealand or Australia or thereabouts, IIRC
< 1305910215 900176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry what about my space station theory.
< 1305910216 660884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nice early warning system
< 1305910220 835300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes it's good.
< 1305910225 475139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, wait, why would a server go down/
< 1305910236 163860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly going to get raptured.
< 1305910238 869404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1305910241 911448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devout server
< 1305910249 524962 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's supposed to be earthquakes, right?
< 1305910264 982473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that comes afterwards.
< 1305910267 264725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well earthquakes aren't enough to bring a server down
< 1305910269 683886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey
< 1305910270 397901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get this
< 1305910276 740615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get temporary peace from the Devil after all this
< 1305910279 363321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more war
< 1305910282 379135 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305910287 509593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :satan is obviously very caring
< 1305910363 549366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously!
< 1305910368 109590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, variant builds will be in the next tup release if all goes well
< 1305910378 850125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you a tup fan?
< 1305910383 857798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why else would he want us going around drinking, smoking, gambling and having sex?
< 1305910397 914441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :While God tells us not to do anything interesting.
< 1305910400 304536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like it a lot and subscribe to the list, so yeah, I guess so?
< 1305910406 375115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean come on, *shellfish*?
< 1305910409 921779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're delicious!
< 1305910419 674721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't eat fish at all
< 1305910424 523654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also: WA crashes when I try to play it single-player.
< 1305910434 170851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, well... WA single player is terminally boring.
< 1305910434 993633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's OK, shellfish aren't actually fish.
< 1305910443 172043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, I'd be prepared to drop my loyalties if someone showed me a better build system. :p
< 1305910448 783724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've used an awful lot of them and tup is the best.
< 1305910514 660812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:07:55:  monqy: i have this feeling christianity is just a big joke, we're just not in on it
< 1305910514 818753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:08:14:  "oh you were being SARCASTIC! sorry us atheists are kind of slow sometimes."
< 1305910518 922004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:09:02:  my theory: that's what "rapture" actually means, they just chicken out every time.
< 1305910519 3861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:09:19:  erm
< 1305910519 3966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:09:25:  i mean it means they tell us
< 1305910519 593927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305910540 834164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when they say "Sorry, the rapture is ACTUALLY on ...", they're not lying
< 1305910642 746554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey do you want to name a function for me
< 1305910653 377473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with no other details?
< 1305910682 248222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you want something that's vaguely descriptive of what it actually does?
< 1305910699 924746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? :: (Monad m) => Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305910700 6626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? = MaybeT . return
< 1305910701 432063 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re. IMAP: Mycology has a readme, you know. :-P But yes, it does.
< 1305910711 541354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, I checked it right after asking :P
< 1305910725 1347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on Shiro again, since I figured out a pretty nice way to stop the leaning indentatino.
< 1305910728 78069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]indentation.
< 1305910740 781002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: BTW IMAP's spec has to be the absolute worst RC spec of them all.
< 1305910741 83880 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that?
< 1305910749 11186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O	(n -- )	Return instruction n to its old function
< 1305910749 226454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clarification
< 1305910749 308903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * This extension is intended to map instructions in the 0-255 range. Other interpreters may have a more limited or more expanded range
< 1305910749 309049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * Attempting to map instructions outside of the 0-255 range reflect. Some interpreters may ignore an out of range map without reflecting
< 1305910749 637368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * Chained remaps are not supported by this extension. Only a single level of mapping is supported. Other interpreters may have implemented chained remaps
< 1305910753 816796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the /opposite/ of clarification.
< 1305910757 238530 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, the indentation.
< 1305910760 707174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1305910763 369173 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I meant, the way to stop it.
< 1305910775 9016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: MaybeT + parameterising everything on a typeclass
< 1305910777 309923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Functor m, Applicative m, MonadState FungeState m, MonadIO m) => MonadShiro m where
< 1305910777 408964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  liftShiro :: Shiro a -> m a
< 1305910790 486458 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305910797 339990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is less painful than it sounded at first because the only functions I /use/ are the state ones and liftIO, and those are already typeclassed
< 1305910818 884331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So right now the only hold-up is naming that function that I just pasted :-P
< 1305910830 520891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the "may ignore an out of range map" I think that's fine
< 1305910843 920110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's not clarification of the spec :P
< 1305910868 568578 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than when none of that was there :-P
< 1305910895 694289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:19:26:  what?!? http://www.bricktestament.com/judges/samson_commits_mass_murder/jg14_01.html
< 1305910897 781310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this actually real :D
< 1305910919 47827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love god making you travel to kill thirty people just because some guys solved your shitty riddle
< 1305911027 825670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately the function fits none of the obvious patterns :(
< 1305911031 403561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not liftMaybe, it's not maybeT
< 1305911126 424754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm oh dear
< 1305911131 532837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might wake up just before the rapture tomorrow
< 1305911170 327907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait
< 1305911175 30165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the rapture respect daylight savings
< 1305911217 14713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1305911224 587049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1305911224 768966 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1305911231 715493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need a mega daylight savings bill passed QUICKLY
< 1305911250 208339 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just going to sleep all day then party it up
< 1305911256 27754 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if the government declares the date to be 5/21/0 and that time will be based on a 4 hour clock from then on.
< 1305911283 194044 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or heck, uses hextime, to which no concept of 6:00PM can exist.
< 1305911283 536546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: god will smite us all for being tricky
< 1305911320 178103 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats PM
< 1305911332 689709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the rapture is no biggie
< 1305911334 581458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it happens
< 1305911342 727759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert to christianity, believing won't be particularly difficult at that point
< 1305911346 253558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait until you die
< 1305911348 187495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved
< 1305911360 566838 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :escape to outers pace
< 1305911404 517652 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, believing tends to not be very difficult when there's near unambiguous evidence of something...
< 1305911410 819694 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :world end only affects earth and a few unfortunate stars right
< 1305911431 61121 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to fly to the moon.
< 1305911443 670156 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder.
< 1305911443 876104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: poor ISS Christians
< 1305911461 436576 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens to Christianity's ideas when ET is confirmed?
< 1305911483 133957 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd probably demand ET's birth certificate
< 1305911556 364747 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extraterritorial life, dummy.
< 1305911567 596466 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of their birth certificates
< 1305911570 867362 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them
< 1305911579 371741 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extratorrential life
< 1305911604 131207 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the microbes
< 1305911692 163998 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extraterrestrial*
< 1305911696 454027 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :opps
< 1305911701 662359 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opopos
< 1305911824 227543 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Catholic church doctrine is that Jesus died for their sins, too.
< 1305911874 376199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alien sins :D
< 1305911903 673574 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have to follow the same commandments?
< 1305912139 88512 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm up to the first recap
< 1305912150 290806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Don't skip it.
< 1305913444 784907 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, coffee.
< 1305913610 185823 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305913657 697603 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305913764 588995 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder: is there *any* way that tup could actually be made reasonably portable?
< 1305913778 803883 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("reasonably portable" here meaning "using a commonly supported subset of POSIX")
< 1305913788 142082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the monitor isn't required.
< 1305913807 929942 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it still needs to hook into programs to get dependency information.
< 1305913824 613840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... then no.
< 1305913841 580216 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD_PRELOAD is at least *more* portable, but not going to work in the face of static linking.
< 1305913856 957216 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that it needs at least *some* manual labor to get to work on new libcs.
< 1305913929 155154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's tup doing that's nonportable?
< 1305913962 466408 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: LD_PRELOAD or FUSE.
< 1305914000 121113 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It needs information about which tup rules accessed which files to generate a complete dependency tree.
< 1305914082 939705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, you don't enter the dependencies by hand, but instead it calculates them based on actual open commands?
< 1305914098 269744 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305914107 528604 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it has the *complete* dependency tree.
< 1305914126 326963 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of its major design ideas is to make it nigh-impossible for you to have an inconsistent build.
< 1305914228 726421 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, logarithmic time rebuilds.
< 1305914370 369629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: better summary: the arrows go up, so it's faster
< 1305914450 665129 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gittup.org/tup/make_vs_tup-nothing.png Better summary.
< 1305914514 66491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most projects aren't that large anyway
< 1305914587 679410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell that to KDE
< 1305914604 492017 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's non non-recursive make.
< 1305914606 209920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the killer feature for tup is the rebuilder, imo
< 1305914609 192459 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the best case scenario.
< 1305914621 903543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set it up so that it automatically rebuilds things whenever you change a file
< 1305914624 439349 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you add recursive make into the scenario it gets fucking horrifying.
< 1305914624 521379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pointing out something that isn't in a set is not a counterexample for most things being in that set
< 1305914638 892334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can switch from your editor to your terminal and see what you fucked up already :)
< 1305914648 775617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logarithmic-time thing is only relevant from medium sized projects up
< 1305914653 611095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'd probably turn the rebuilder off, it could lead to inconsistent builds really easily due to changing one file and not another
< 1305914660 933564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what?
< 1305914665 629064 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could it?
< 1305914667 27820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well for a start, the rebuilder is something you run explicitly
< 1305914668 587768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if I change what a function means in one file
< 1305914676 231167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you understand
< 1305914677 39137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all calls to it in another
< 1305914682 465720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the resulting binary will be really messed up
< 1305914686 111343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, and?
< 1305914688 825936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then it'll be inconcistent until such time as you fix those calls.
< 1305914692 565005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't switch to your terminal then to test it
< 1305914694 691955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter
< 1305914695 176494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if something happens to use it before I can fix those calls, then the program might do anything
< 1305914698 134646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'd fix the calls first
< 1305914699 180923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what??
< 1305914703 189935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto build does not equal auto run ...
< 1305914709 732895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but someone else might run it
< 1305914716 627441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your /private source tree/?
< 1305914717 693836 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people regularly run things out of your development tree?
< 1305914729 259031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've found your problem and it's not the build system
< 1305914738 270221 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I might switch to my terminal to test the previous version, only to find that the executable doesn't exist because it tried to get rebuilt but the build failed
< 1305914740 532046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I run things out of my dev tree sometimes
< 1305914749 478247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said someone else
< 1305914752 30296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine that the project's self-hosted
< 1305914761 841929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's happened with source trees I've maintained
< 1305914763 791206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on my computer
< 1305914786 305988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I supply updates to a program, they're compiled and the executables are updated, and the executable might be run by a third party at any time in between
< 1305914801 954707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "make install" isn't a separate step, then your process is fucked, no question about it
< 1305914809 817130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think tup removes old files on a failed build
< 1305914810 757191 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I've found your problem and it's not the build system.
< 1305914816 795843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: line thief
< 1305914825 110237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it builds into a tmp directory of some kind, then it works, of course
< 1305914827 927214 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Repeated for truth.
< 1305914839 123036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't most build systems designed to work without an install step?
< 1305914846 143589 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was thinking along the lines of 'gcc -o foo foo.c' failing and leaving foo an empty file
< 1305914856 578753 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh? *What crazy shit automatically installs*?
< 1305914856 660421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem is not that, the problem is that people are running out of your unstable, volatile development tree
< 1305914865 737694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd used to run C-INTERCAL from my home dir more often than installed location before I made habitual installation tests
< 1305914871 139481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, /you/
< 1305914875 854336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm saying, that installing is not a separate step nowadays
< 1305914881 53444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being dishonest by using irrelevant arguments like that
< 1305914885 281257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you make a final version of the program
< 1305915000 885147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me an example of someone who isn't you regularly running an in-development program to do actual things straight out of your unstable, volatile development source tree, and I'll show you a completely broken process
< 1305915018 186930 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell would you run something out of your build tree other than to test changes you just made?
< 1305915033 166277 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got version control systems people, use them.
< 1305915038 687851 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ccbi install is a symlink to my build tree
< 1305915062 708731 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You are either confident you will not make changes that break shit, or mad.
< 1305915094 236790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree with pikhq in the general case btw, i run mcmap from the build tree
< 1305915096 615412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what i said still stands
< 1305915104 267763 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confident that I won't run ccbi in such a case that it'd matter
< 1305915129 553142 :olsner_!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: olsner_
< 1305915179 597712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: right, but you wouldn't tell other people to run ccbi out of /home/deewiant/src/ccbi/ccbi on a shared server :-)
< 1305915204 95583 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I wouldn't :-P
< 1305915221 705263 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, it is so friggin' nice to just make changes and immediately see the build error.
< 1305915314 350747 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the only downside of tup vs. make is that make works literally everywhere.
< 1305915498 292039 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though tup at least covers Windows/Linux/OS X just fine.
< 1305915582 361245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant hates Funge and wants it to die (this is because he hates Shiro (this is because he hasn't named that function yet))
< 1305915587 335749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all guilty
< 1305915598 414273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what does the function actually /do/?
< 1305915609 493553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? :: (Monad m) => Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305915609 575474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? = MaybeT . return
< 1305915617 526765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, statistically speaking, you always reject my advice on naming things
< 1305915630 923263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i asked Deewiant then >:)
< 1305915643 423323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I have to figure out exactly what that's doing, given that I'm not too experienced with monad transformers
< 1305915664 86997 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just layering the functionality of a monad onto another monad.
< 1305915674 568160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not
< 1305915674 649952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an inside-out monad transformer
< 1305915684 863854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a function, so it's not a monad transformer at all
< 1305915695 523493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, instead of becoming mT Maybe a, we're getting MaybeT m a
< 1305915697 973239 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was describing monad transformers.
< 1305915703 697897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, it's like an inside-out lift
< 1305915710 77422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really, no
< 1305915724 454325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift :: M a -> MaybeT M a
< 1305915727 96232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? :: Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305915733 929387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(taken from kmc in hash-haskell)
< 1305915738 330923 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: toMaybeT?
< 1305915743 937098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ugly :(
< 1305915747 959206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common operation
< 1305915754 840789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads like a cast from Maybe to MaybeT m a, so...
< 1305915762 60032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a flipped lift
< 1305915769 164554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lift, but with the monads the other way round
< 1305915781 964718 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you'd generalize it, toT
< 1305915799 50000 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Impossible to generalise without a typeclass.
< 1305915806 376561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1305915806 627512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What is it again? maybe mzero return?
< 1305915809 447309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it maybe mzero mplus
< 1305915821 159163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is what
< 1305915825 654932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generalised version
< 1305915846 384250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's actually probably a category theory name for doing that
< 1305915850 778921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, maybe mzero retur
< 1305915852 12764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, maybe mzero return
< 1305915852 612790 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?ty maybe mzero return
< 1305915853 190527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadPlus m) => Maybe a -> m a
< 1305915868 545713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does lowercase-m maybe do?
< 1305915870 676790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually the same as (maybe (fail "") return) too, but let's pretend fail doesn't exist :-)
< 1305915871 715296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe
< 1305915872 239235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b
< 1305915886 490156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the catamorphism :-P
< 1305915892 236944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphacatism
< 1305915934 448711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it that maybe x f Nothing = x, maybe x f (Just y) = f y?
< 1305915953 803275 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1305916000 69690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, rapture is in two hours for australias
< 1305916001 954757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :australians
< 1305916013 653686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everybody.
< 1305916017 336550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, wait, "Kingston		5:56				NFT"
< 1305916023 362030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four minutes until the somewhere-in-Australia rapture
< 1305916026 779755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should ask DMM.
< 1305916030 985438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's already happening in New Zealand
< 1305916037 697954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP New Zealand
< 1305916055 661198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: if it's real, which denomination do I convert to?
< 1305916085 468394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: whichever one the doomsday prophets are doin'.
< 1305916097 16481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they think the world is over thirteen thousand years old, so that's a bit better than six thousand.
< 1305916101 515267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already a baptised Catholic (my parents were idiots), so that would be the easiest route, but they're clearly not Catholic, so it mightn't come out too well.
< 1305916105 340480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We just elected an Atheist PM, so we're all still here..." --suspected Australian
< 1305916381 640066 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: According to Family Radio, it will occur on 2011-05-21T18:00, local time.
< 1305916391 28719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yep. Already after that in New Zealand.
< 1305916394 715532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP.
< 1305916401 337978 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Hmm.
< 1305916435 173353 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're UTC+13 right now.
< 1305916456 657927 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+13?
< 1305916458 68749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That exists?
< 1305916464 470362 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was -12 to +12
< 1305916471 245467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They break the rules.
< 1305916478 920145 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. No, it's not T18:00 or past it in New Zealand.
< 1305916489 143824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=time+in+new+zealand&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
< 1305916490 229747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is.
< 1305916492 309629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:35 Saturday (NZST) - Time in Wellington, New Zealand
< 1305916495 75430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait.
< 1305916496 554131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in the morning.
< 1305916502 244832 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeees.
< 1305916525 171394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK wait, where is it past six pm.
< 1305916549 161448 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It not yet past 2011-05-21T18:00 anywhere.
< 1305916556 769346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiet.
< 1305916570 999357 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It's -12 to +14, actually.
< 1305916595 611319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going with toMaybeT for now, but I think I'll change it later.
< 1305916613 453347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioMaybe :: IO a -> MaybeT Shiro a
< 1305916613 673891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioMaybe m =
< 1305916613 767797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  toMaybeT =<<
< 1305916613 849871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  liftShiro ((Just <$> io m) `catchShiro` \(e::IOException) -> return Nothing)
< 1305916615 584771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the ugly.
< 1305916646 534291 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Kiribati uses UTC+13 and UTC+14 for civil time.
< 1305916671 742817 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1305916689 145979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, UTC+12 through UTC+14.
< 1305916698 773477 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to have the date line going through the middle of the country.
< 1305916780 393755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+14 is just south of Hawaii... Which is UTC-10.
< 1305916786 502586 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a difference in civil time.
< 1305916794 664674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can't you do something like liftShiro $ (return <$> io m) `catchShiro` \(_::IOException) -> mzero
< 1305916812 567354 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, if you're using Just/Nothing explicitly there shouldn't be a need for toMaybeT :-P
< 1305916814 652134 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Hawaii is south of Alaska, which is UTC-9.
< 1305916818 693787 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Civil time makes no sense.
< 1305916822 39392 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just make a MaybeT directly
< 1305916835 495412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, yeah, but toMaybeT is just "MaybeT . return".
< 1305916841 177824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So making it directly would clutter up the two clauses.
< 1305916848 676593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl guard . not
< 1305916848 795285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guard . not
< 1305916850 98374 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love time zones not even containing their meridian.
< 1305916888 287225 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How would it clutter it? Use something like what I gave (can't be bothered to figure out the types right myself), it should make the whole thing shorter
< 1305916921 138482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Utils.hs:149:13:
< 1305916921 282498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match type `a' with `m0 a'
< 1305916921 364327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `a' is a rigid type variable bound by
< 1305916921 364399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :          the type signature for ioMaybe :: IO a -> MaybeT Shiro a
< 1305916921 364444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :          at Shiro/Utils.hs:149:1
< 1305916922 227463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: MaybeT Shiro a
< 1305916924 395405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: MaybeT Shiro (m0 a)
< 1305916927 593212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that's not surmountable
< 1305916967 8025 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that's just something I did wrong
< 1305916981 709642 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what the hell, France. You've got the Prime Meridian going through your country but you're UTC+1)
< 1305917038 128615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Pretty sure I reached the current solution after trying to get that working :P
< 1305917047 291148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular the 'return <$> io m' bit worries me, but I can't see the correct version in my head right now
< 1305917075 328135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wtf
< 1305917076 195508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--ioMaybe :: IO a -> MaybeT Shiro a
< 1305917076 277346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioMaybe m = liftShiro $ (return <$> io m) `catchShiro` \(_::IOException) -> mzero
< 1305917078 150418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just started working
< 1305917080 72979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, type signature
< 1305917110 710673 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's liftShiro's type?
< 1305917255 672685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's
< 1305917260 746600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonadShiro m) => Shiro a -> m a
< 1305917276 389519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a (MonadShiro (MaybeT Shiro)) instance.
< 1305917433 468691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftShiro $ liftIO (io m) `catchShiro` \(_::IOException) -> mzero ??
< 1305917468 883756 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, io is already liftIO
< 1305917476 533791 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just drop the outer one
< 1305917555 393225 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, that won't work yet
< 1305917556 881942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that works
< 1305917560 682866 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it does?
< 1305917560 764682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it types
< 1305917567 886291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's arguably not the same thing :)
< 1305917572 588030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually wait, why would that work
< 1305917574 206474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes no sense
< 1305917585 591656 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that the io lifts the IO to a Shiro
< 1305917592 420460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is then a type mismatch with the mzero
< 1305917601 208677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :io :: (MonadShiro m) => IO a -> m a
< 1305917601 290516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :io = liftIO
< 1305917605 667124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it works because of that
< 1305917616 864296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that changes anything
< 1305917624 107776 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or does WINE use hand-written recursive make, too?
< 1305917640 715271 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Shiro have a MonadPlus instance?
< 1305917671 879071 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's even worse. It uses makedep.
< 1305917676 300927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's a StateT, so probably
< 1305917679 449301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's literally a type alias
< 1305917689 187509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaybeT has no MonadPlus because there's two possible definitions
< 1305917698 599759 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does?
< 1305917710 746180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which monad package are you using :-D
< 1305917753 665183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The MaybeT one.
< 1305917755 52225 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby ban people from using makedepend.
< 1305917756 116186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait.
< 1305917756 534132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateT m has MonadPlus iff m has MonadPlus
< 1305917759 959851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean which transformers thing
< 1305917767 947349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well it's StateT dsjoisdfj IO
< 1305917771 588672 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'transformers' has Monad m => MonadPlus (MaybeT m)
< 1305917779 936957 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then Shiro doesn't have MonadPlus
< 1305917780 19449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the "regular" one
< 1305917782 114959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that mtl
< 1305917798 458697 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's regular these days
< 1305917798 675659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my MaybeT is http://hackage.haskell.org/package/MaybeT
< 1305917804 792281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell Platform :P
< 1305917816 593320 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has MonadPlus as well
< 1305917823 26001 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's in the Haskell Platform :-P
< 1305917838 806850 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just install ghc and cabal-install and install what I need
< 1305917862 68962 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install the Haskell Platform, it contains what you need.
< 1305917869 783368 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it
< 1305917885 223718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell Platform, it's got what Haskellers crave.
< 1305917891 638218 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, it doesn't contain everything you could ever want, but it contains a reasonable number of commonly used Haskell libraries.
< 1305917896 867984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, despite the docs, that does have MonadPlus
< 1305917916 533035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It does? X_X
< 1305917930 133998 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See the autogenerated 'instances' list :-P
< 1305917933 92791 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the source
< 1305917944 432422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I just used it because it was the only one I could find :P
< 1305917990 83229 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyway, it has MonadPlus
< 1305918014 894281 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Shiro shouldn't AFAICT, so I don't understand why that last one typed
< 1305918044 548843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bugging me :P
< 1305918045 252690 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, distro packages of the Haskell Platform are sometimes a bit behind. Debian wheezy's still on 2010.1...
< 1305918056 431034 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though 2011.2 is in sid.
< 1305918145 587317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, there's a MonadShiro instance
< 1305918146 695507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1305918187 754829 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftShiro (((io m :: MaybeT Shiro a) `catchShiro` \(_::IOException) -> (mzero :: MaybeT Shiro a)) :: MaybeT Shiro a) :: MaybeT Shiro a
< 1305918193 6291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the outer liftShiro is redundant
< 1305918195 344180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1305918213 256822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1305918214 980538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: catchShiro :: (Exception e) => Shiro a -> (e -> Shiro a) -> Shiro a
< 1305918224 837291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1305918226 467215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it has to look like
< 1305918228 362882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchShiro action handler =
< 1305918228 544975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  StateT $ \s -> runStateT action s `catch` (flip runStateT s . handler)
< 1305918232 217687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think I can generalise that easily
< 1305918240 182068 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case mzero has to be Shiro a
< 1305918244 593929 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see how that's possible :-P
< 1305918245 619577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And io m too
< 1305918259 144913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Shiro.Utils> mzero :: Shiro ()
< 1305918259 226885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1305918262 475574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using transformers /and/ mtl it seems
< 1305918263 536878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's
< 1305918265 451478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a good thing is it
< 1305918269 512865 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno
< 1305918277 985407 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mtl depends on transformers these days
< 1305918284 37098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you think of a name yet?
< 1305918285 283727 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does
< 1305918291 818382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: toMaybeT for now
< 1305918292 492219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Shiro.Utils> runShiro (mzero :: Shiro ()) initialFungeState
< 1305918292 574445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: user error (mzero)
< 1305918307 211998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct, isn't it?
< 1305918314 449515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mzero just fails in IO then :-P Nice :-P
< 1305918315 581389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Shiro.Utils> runShiro (runMaybeT (liftShiro (mzero :: Shiro ()) :: MaybeT Shiro ())) initialFungeState
< 1305918315 789158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: user error (mzero)
< 1305918317 558290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah :P
< 1305918320 498945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That won't work.
< 1305918327 284509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: mzero /should/ just fail in IO, assuming it types at all
< 1305918333 655966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as mplus in IO = bad things happen
< 1305918335 629708 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was assuming it wouldn't type
< 1305918353 107703 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If your catchShiro were more general this'd work nicely
< 1305918374 11392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think it /can/ be generalised
< 1305918378 151675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all Haskell monads (as opposed to mathematical monads) have a way to respond to errors
< 1305918390 519844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think you understand the problem being solved here
< 1305918404 461115 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Control.Monad.Error.Class has a catchError that looks promising
< 1305918463 78843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Honestly, my old version worked fine and wasn't that ugly :P
< 1305918497 36646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my last sentence was meant to be more or less a non sequitur
< 1305918509 593705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was context but I forgot to send it to the channel
< 1305918532 115118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is along the lines of "all Haskell monads have to have an mzero equivalent anyway, even if they don't have an mplus equivalent, and even if actually using it is a Bad Idea"
< 1305918594 279860 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's no ugliness, you don't need the type signatures :-P
< 1305918635 838080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ugliness in what
< 1305918663 333639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought you were calling the latest ioMaybe 'that ugly'
< 1305918704 849113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It wasn't ugly, it was broken :)
< 1305918743 13295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make Shiro a MonadError and use catchError and it should work
< 1305918763 793129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it already is, because it's an alias and not a newtype :-P
< 1305918768 572691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll finish MaybeT-ising the fingerprint code first :P
< 1305918794 991151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear GOD this code.
< 1305918806 982234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/eNNK
< 1305918808 590191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WAS I THINKING
< 1305918847 963792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although nothing can ever beat the sheer ugly perfection of http://sprunge.us/hEDP
< 1305918856 733791 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god that code
< 1305918867 483418 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god that code
< 1305918878 74454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1305918958 352926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B.foldl'?
< 1305918974 543227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytestring.foldl'
< 1305918980 805631 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/S/
< 1305919052 258948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, at least it's short!
< 1305919071 212376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And fast!
< 1305919078 795719 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope!
< 1305919080 188484 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305919095 698959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh?
< 1305919099 361674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That mergeByteString /is/ fast :P
< 1305919107 460038 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to what :-P
< 1305919114 650330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Compared to everything before it?
< 1305919125 954490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it makes loading absolutely negligible as far as Mycology goes.
< 1305919134 196765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instant to my perception.
< 1305919134 930590 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparing it to slow Haskell doesn't make it fast as such ;-)
< 1305919138 716359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It previously took almost a second.
< 1305919150 71182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, no, but Mycology is still a big file.
< 1305919161 855126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To load it into a fairly-decent fungespace structure instantly certainly doesn't make it "not fast".
< 1305919176 829845 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psh, Mycology isn't even a megabyte
< 1305919193 679642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're just trying to piss me off >:)
< 1305919198 16074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :textify :: ByteString -> ByteString
< 1305919198 99845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :textify = B8.unlines . reverse . takeWhile (/= B.empty) . reverse . map (fst . B.spanEnd (== space)) . B8.lines
< 1305919203 942715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wrote this as penance for mergeByteString
< 1305919209 189698 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305919217 959672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with some pointlessifying done by Deewiant because he can't stop himself :P
< 1305919265 963824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm starting to think I should just make the instruction execution functions MaybeT, since I use ioReflect a lot
< 1305919350 185021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -- TODO: Also, if the least significant bit of the flags cell is
< 1305919350 584813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -- high, o treats the file as a linear text file; that is, any
< 1305919350 666873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -- spaces before each EOL, and any EOLs before the EOF, are not
< 1305919350 667043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -- written out. The resulting text file is identical in appearance
< 1305919350 667144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -- and takes up less storage space.
< 1305919350 873707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1305919352 293204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already did that.
< 1305919407 478519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SpecConstr
< 1305919407 771247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Function `$wa{v s77o} [lid]'
< 1305919407 853228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      has two call patterns, but the limit is 1
< 1305919407 853425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Use -fspec-constr-count=n to set the bound
< 1305919407 853527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Use -dppr-debug to see specialisations
< 1305919410 631961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do these warnings even exist.
< 1305919467 344477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Woo, I think my MaybeT stuff has slowed down Mycology
< 1305919476 548538 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305919479 562476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess GHC isn't smart enough to eliminate it all
< 1305919496 610763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m1.821s
< 1305919546 402903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's added .8 seconds, JESUS
< 1305919550 70859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not good
< 1305919554 119096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not good at all
< 1305919606 468050 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305919623 729934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can a minor structural improvement involving typeclasses add that much
< 1305919630 401240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it passing around the typeclass shit all the time??
< 1305919672 240763 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... yes, when it doesn't inline? That's how typeclasses work :-P
< 1305919681 379755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, but GHC is meant to be smart :P
< 1305919701 794843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should do whole program analysis and realise that I only ever have two instances, and all the functions I use in the typeclass can just be lifted instead when in the MaybeT.
< 1305919703 719308 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC JHC was the best at eliminating typeclass stuff :-P
< 1305919731 267339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sucks, I want my fastness back :P
< 1305919742 654777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I'll try some strictness annotations, those are always good
< 1305919848 769511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1305919853 391288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll tell GHC to inline some things
< 1305919857 735156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell GHC to inline a typeclass function? :P
< 1305919956 203337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, inlining added point one seconds
< 1305919960 933054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "recursive badness" algorithm for breaking paragraphs into lines would be at worst case, $O(n)$ space and $O(2^n)$ time. However there are shortcuts such as: * Tolerance setting, ignoring breaks with too much badness * Stop in case an overfull line would occur * Maximum paragraph height or number of lines
< 1305919970 224080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think about this, what is your opinion about this?
< 1305920014 673585 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unfortunately I don't know perfectly about big-O notation and could get some details wrong due to that)
< 1305920149 381275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So mergeByteString is somehow a cost centre now :P
< 1305920169 83728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame your foul language about it.
< 1305920171 931303 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'da thunk it
< 1305920177 717813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think your big-O notation looks correct there
< 1305920187 262573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But it didn't use to be :(
< 1305920198 785063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but brute force seems the wrong way to go about this, as you pointed out
< 1305920207 652556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you look at the algorithm TeX actually uses?
< 1305920226 993679 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I have, I read the entire book.
< 1305920263 389582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I do not perfectly understand it.
< 1305920288 686028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: neither do I, unfortunately, although in my case because I haven't read the book
< 1305920326 646981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you have copies of all five books in Computers & Typesetting?
< 1305920327 772195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305920331 244562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no
< 1305920335 907347 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably not, if you haven't read it)
< 1305920350 300469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any of the books?
< 1305920371 221912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305920375 684839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1305920403 330952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange
< 1305920434 578932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is strange?
< 1305920452 400338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ais523 doesn't own those books doesn't EVERYONE
< 1305920475 973510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't own as many books as you might expect
< 1305920483 824535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I hardly ever use paper at all nowadays
< 1305920485 993373 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305920487 951629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was sarcasm
< 1305920490 119341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan name my function
< 1305920494 889933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fred
< 1305920505 672995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect but no
< 1305920514 874489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? :: (Monad m) => Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305920517 404874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that whenever anyone gives me something on paper, or prints something out, or whatever, I'm confused for a moment and then think "oh, paper! I remember that"
< 1305920517 662034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? = MaybeT . return
< 1305920520 146444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? :: (Monad m) => Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305920522 7218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? = MaybeT . return
< 1305920522 777645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1305920527 787728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the same as (maybe return mzero)
< 1305920543 300994 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (Unfortunately I don't know perfectly about big-O notation and could get some details wrong due to that)" <<< f = O(g) if from some point on, f is smaller than some constant multiple of g
< 1305920560 544051 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in formulas, O(something) means, well, that.
< 1305920562 29804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1305920577 836268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically this is for using a Maybe value in a MaybeT block
< 1305920580 689933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you have a map lookup
< 1305920581 707945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do
< 1305920587 370422 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt EVERYONE owns these books...... and book B can be generated from the file "tex.web" although footnotes will be missing and so will a few other things, although you can read the DVI file (which I used before purchasing the books)
< 1305920588 445304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo <- ??? [dollar] Map.lookup blah
< 1305920636 905437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well by your definition it generalizes to any MonadPlus
< 1305920652 217017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, indeed
< 1305920655 805785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a name for it :)
< 1305920674 914151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i saw liftMaybe mentioned
< 1305920675 555198 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The line breaking algorithm is described in sections 813 to 890. (Page numbers depend on whether or not footnotes are included, though)
< 1305920685 866059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1305920692 993693 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Maybe a => m a
< 1305920693 143289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unknown class Maybe
< 1305920693 225209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative unwrapMonad :: WrappedMonad m a -> m a
< 1305920693 225293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Regex.Base.RegexLike getAllTextSubmatches :: AllTextSubmatches f b -> f b
< 1305920701 353857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1305920705 141771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Maybe a -> m a
< 1305920705 258521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid First :: Maybe a -> First a
< 1305920705 364627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid Last :: Maybe a -> Last a
< 1305920705 446315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe maybeToList :: Maybe a -> [a]
< 1305920713 662007 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1305920720 914584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd prompt if there was more
< 1305920723 184665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: liftMaybe is wrong
< 1305920725 9975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a lift
< 1305920726 305457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle MonadPlus m => Maybe a -> m a
< 1305920726 451452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mplus :: MonadPlus m => m a -> m a -> m a
< 1305920726 533522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad msum :: MonadPlus m => [m a] -> m a
< 1305920726 533600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable msum :: (Foldable t, MonadPlus m) => t (m a) -> m a
< 1305920744 785818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's probably some weird category theory term for it that I could steal >:)
< 1305920746 692553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you've checked whether it exists alrady
< 1305920761 906373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, but thanks for the confirmation
< 1305920763 816806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1305920784 822791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can tell, the Pascal compiler that Knuth used requires numeric labels; I have seen later other Pascal programs that used named labels
< 1305920804 717995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Cont r a -> ContT r m a
< 1305920804 799748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1305920844 672016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's sort of a lift you consider MaybeT to be a _composition of Maybe with another monad
< 1305920850 748962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if you
< 1305920856 292740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_composition_
< 1305920863 300184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still not comfortable calling it liftMaybe though :)
< 1305920866 957798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just from the other factor monad
< 1305920878 685979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just does not fit the type template i'd expect for something called that
< 1305920879 970578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::h mconcat
< 1305920884 195990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mconcat
< 1305920884 785229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Monoid a) => [a] -> a
< 1305920890 372820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t msum
< 1305920890 922636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadPlus m) => [m a] -> m a
< 1305920930 711120 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to see if there is a similar naming scheme already in use
< 1305920980 639481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Included in section 813 is a reference to another article, which might have another description of a similar algorithm, although I do not have access to that another article.
< 1305921060 412133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, liftMaybe is entirely consistent with the naming of liftIO
< 1305921082 537224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is some precedent
< 1305921090 663729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um no.
< 1305921101 462677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is.
< 1305921104 520952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftIO
< 1305921105 212811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Ambiguous occurrence `liftIO'
< 1305921105 294595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either `Control.Monad.Error.liftIO', imported from Control.Monad.Error
< 1305921105 294765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          or `Control.Monad.Logic.liftIO', imported from Control.Monad.Logic
< 1305921107 961313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift :: M a -> MaybeT M a
< 1305921108 358316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Maybe a -> MaybeT m a
< 1305921109 545236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--kmc
< 1305921119 927249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: liftIO not lift you dolt
< 1305921144 5713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Monad.Error.liftIO
< 1305921144 629942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (Control.Monad.Error.MonadIO m) => IO a -> m a
< 1305921147 382533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm right
< 1305921169 406797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Monad.Instances.liftIO
< 1305921170 45371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `Control.Monad.Instances.liftIO'
< 1305921182 341877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it MonadIO is a set of monads that contain IO chains?
< 1305921189 730423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Monad.Transform.liftIO
< 1305921190 274392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find qualified module.
< 1305921192 136803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Monad.Logic.liftIO
< 1305921192 812913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *). (Control.Monad.Logic.MonadIO m) => IO a -> m a
< 1305921193 962947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IO chains?
< 1305921196 900711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is always on the bottom
< 1305921204 290837 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: neither is the common one
< 1305921209 972556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, things that "do IO", in a sense
< 1305921225 768756 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle liftIO
< 1305921225 932230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans liftIO :: MonadIO m => IO a -> m a
< 1305921232 407032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1305921247 665699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: amusingly I have io as an alias for liftIO in Shiro
< 1305921250 669204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I do a lot of IO
< 1305921265 211022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth lambdabot doesn't know that those are (or _should_ be) the same function, i don't know
< 1305921280 930934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah that's not uncommon i think
< 1305921299 246880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: apply the same logic to this and you get... maybe
< 1305921300 624522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn :D
< 1305921345 811127 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could import qualified Prelude or something. :P
< 1305921475 398527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305921488 633608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess liftMaybe if better than what I have now
< 1305921490 779156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(toMaybeT)
< 1305921495 58899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]is
< 1305921530 838156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i note liftCont :: Cont r a -> ContT r t a  doesn't exist either, although it would be easy.  in fact you might want a typeclass/type family for liftable transformers in general...
< 1305921549 876457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fuck that shit, I've increased my Mycology time by point eight seconds just by adding this MaybeT thing
< 1305921553 394304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all my functions are now typeclassed
< 1305921555 539402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle t Identity a -> t m a
< 1305921555 647314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: t (Identity t) a -> t m a /count=20
< 1305921555 729237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Basic grev :: DynGraph gr => gr a b -> gr a b
< 1305921555 729420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map deleteMax :: Map k a -> Map k a
< 1305921562 350749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the liftShiro contained within them is irrelevant 90 percent of the time
< 1305921565 838417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it shouldn't have to pass around anything
< 1305921567 481479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305921572 240895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should have liftShiro separate
< 1305921617 550013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well can't you add specialize pragmas?
< 1305921637 850530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right... how do they work again :D
< 1305921638 143116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what they are called
< 1305921642 216163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specialize yeah
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< 1305921689 900734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m1.854s
< 1305921693 104929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m1.779s
< 1305921693 187193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m1.785s
< 1305921693 268435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to separate out liftShiro
< 1305921774 402698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m1.801s
< 1305921774 580477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m1.911s
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< 1305921775 851714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that didn't help
< 1305921779 153202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric
< 1305921785 239797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unfortunately I think I'd have to specialize /every single function/ :(
< 1305921787 707638 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i've complained previously that liftState in this sense didn't exist
< 1305921790 381507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a lot of them
< 1305921810 622559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to use StateT . return or State)
< 1305921850 640471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually for transformed state monads you need to write it with get and put
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< 1305921965 632210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually specialise
< 1305921974 332200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305921977 991010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305921979 493048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.13.9. SPECIALIZE pragma
< 1305921979 778467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UK spelling also accepted.)
< 1305921982 81793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how thoughtful
< 1305922011 644209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, we've had this topic for three days
< 1305922078 221472 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Tropical discussion on the best way to enforce peelings | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305922079 842475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Monad m, MonadTrans t) => LiftableMonad m t where lift :: m a => t Identity a
< 1305922116 79006 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and probably | t -> m, m -> t
< 1305922148 820626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, i didn't notice this topic at all before now
< 1305922201 986438 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe it should actually be Monad n => m a -> t n a
< 1305922243 381622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and drop the functional dependency.  then it would actually generalize lift...
< 1305922262 678168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but probably cause heaps of overlapping instances at the same time
< 1305922318 66823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if someone did MaybeT Maybe, it would unclear which side to lift an actual Maybe into
< 1305922325 495927 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be unclear
< 1305922347 702245 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305922360 357291 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a problem for IO because there is no transformer corresponding to it
< 1305922397 748670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT
< 1305922640 908485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should totally have been an STT, anyway
< 1305922672 275060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even work? :)
< 1305922675 95832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall the type trick that makes ST sane and pure doesn't work
< 1305922695 195187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you implement ST with Data.Dynamic?
< 1305922696 570438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can
< 1305922705 750221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integer, Map Integer Dynamic)
< 1305922709 454133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just increment the integer each time
< 1305922712 179877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's State, that is
< 1305922724 697921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could imagine passing forked worlds around to make STT behave like a crazy State
< 1305922734 73016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "newtype STRef r a = STRef Integer"
< 1305922734 988029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1305922771 520740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah i think i've seen that alluded to
< 1305922798 406882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ST is Haskell ninety-eight plus unsafeCoerce, then
< 1305922805 632247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess the type trick isn't really needed if you _actually_ pass a world state around...
< 1305922809 633773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty portable, considering it only requires unsafeCoerce in a very safe way
< 1305922889 897003 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head has an ache :(
< 1305922899 982090 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't use caps k
< 1305922903 906524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1305922912 727865 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1305922930 433529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_NOW_ WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1305922951 521781 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you talk about something more soothing like the homotopy of cellular automata maps in the besicovitch topology instead of this haskell stuff?
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< 1305923013 568282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/STMonadTrans/0.2/doc/html/Control-Monad-ST-Trans.html is _so_ disappointingly giving up where it gets interesting...
< 1305923176 979268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305923185 662397 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh indeed, all maps are homotopic there
< 1305923477 956850 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not 100% on that but it seems clear enough
< 1305923508 529720 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do the usual toeplitz sequence thingie
< 1305923588 373935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm tempted to write an STT now
< 1305923596 349261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a break from this stupid slow code
< 1305923630 880448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it wouldn't work with Cont either, since that can rewind stuff...
< 1305923638 64817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that package version)
< 1305923700 198787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype STT s m a = STT (StateT (ID, (Map ID Any)) m a) should do it, I think
< 1305923704 867490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?unmtl StateT (ID, Map ID Any) m a
< 1305923704 954639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ID -> Map ID Any -> m (a, ID, Map ID Any)
< 1305923727 485747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype STT s m a = STT (STTState s -> m (a, STTState s))
< 1305923734 303940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data STTState s = STTState ID (Map ID Any)
< 1305923743 318651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it might not be /fast/, and you can't GC the map
< 1305923744 526331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1305923749 377932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait doesn't ghc have some kind of weak map?
< 1305924025 475459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if you want to write fast program, don't use Haskell.
< 1305924054 451237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is great for writing fast programs.
< 1305924059 455834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that approach to STT isn't.
< 1305924121 386945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ghc has weak references but they may be only in IO
< 1305924171 876577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unsafePerformIO ;D
< 1305924211 32995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Mem.Weak
< 1305924266 266012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fast is Haskell? I thought it is functional it cannot be entirely fast, although it would be faster than Javascript and stuff like that, I would think. I wouldn't know for sure?
< 1305924289 805613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: languages don't have speeds
< 1305924297 74190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementations do, on certain implementations of certain algorithms
< 1305924466 533521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts up the Gregor sign.
< 1305924691 93415 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :
< 1305924876 200626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if in clean, with its uniqueness typing system, it might be possible to create an STT that could only be used on monads which don't duplicate state, and which was checked to do so...
< 1305924928 908467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1305924976 582526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm what's a safe thing to unsafeCoerce everything into?
< 1305924978 34593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any isn't portable
< 1305924980 968433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise unsafeCoerce isn't either, but
< 1305925003 178775 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, which worked with both but only duplicated state when actually necessary
< 1305925035 548147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1305925049 592976 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't unsafeCoerce in the ffi or something?
< 1305925054 75793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305925055 749566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1305925068 88899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is as portable as something like that can be
< 1305925070 723987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it unsafePerformIO (equivalent though)
< 1305925084 501598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely the latter
< 1305925115 822586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/haskell/ffi/ffi/ffise5.html#x8-230005
< 1305925120 569512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's unsafePerformIO
< 1305925128 211818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeForeignPtrToPtr :: ForeignPtr a -> Ptr a
< 1305925128 373872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeLocalState :: IO a -> a
< 1305925128 455053 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO :: IO a -> a
< 1305925136 272936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are in Foreign
< 1305925166 183677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is unsafeLocalState
< 1305925203 340646 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeLocalState = unsafePerformIO
< 1305925220 674289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it?
< 1305925225 683853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so unsafePerformIO's intended purpose is to allow pointers in other languages to be read from Haskell?
< 1305925249 83151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um not precisely
< 1305925277 479132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh...
< 1305925278 151091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1305925278 650126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle Any
< 1305925278 784187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid newtype Any
< 1305925278 866131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid Any :: Bool -> Any
< 1305925278 866299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude any :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool
< 1305925283 587761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for allowing the ffi to treat foreign functions as pure i assume
< 1305925285 180493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's for using pure functions
< 1305925286 95709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305925293 973837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a fast C prime checker
< 1305925300 815030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, where is GHC's Any
< 1305925316 793753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i _think_ there's a declaration for that without using unsafePerformIO, isn't there?
< 1305925326 267583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Any
< 1305925326 349334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid newtype Any
< 1305925326 430722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Monoid Any :: Bool -> Any
< 1305925326 430809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude any :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool
< 1305925331 152005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just did that, eejit
< 1305925331 233747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305925345 24509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : although i _think_ there's a declaration for that without using unsafePerformIO, isn't there?
< 1305925346 889194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i'm trying to browse Foreign in the other window
< 1305925349 782902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could implement unsafePerformIO /with/ it
< 1305925355 834818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so might as well provide it :)
< 1305925359 127424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think)
< 1305925374 281453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "that" refers to declaring foreign functions as pure
< 1305925391 686846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, GHC.Prim.Any
< 1305925468 3883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle newSTRef
< 1305925468 93790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.STRef newSTRef :: a -> ST s (STRef s a)
< 1305925468 174938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.STRef.Lazy newSTRef :: a -> ST s (STRef s a)
< 1305925536 842241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Map.insert
< 1305925537 438311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find qualified module.
< 1305925539 588002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Map.insert
< 1305925540 195048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall k a. (Ord k) => k -> a -> M.Map k a -> M.Map k a
< 1305925545 901589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think the trick of using unsafePerformIO to break the type system was part of its motivation, if it was even known when it was standardized
< 1305925585 726229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newSTTRef :: (Monad m) => a -> STT s m (STRef s a)
< 1305925586 10492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newSTTRef x = STT (\(STTState n m) -> return (STRef n, STTState (n+1) (Map.insert n (unsafeCoerce x) m)))
< 1305925586 376215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely
< 1305925650 95189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah there is castForeignPtr :: ForeignPtr a -> ForeignPtr b
< 1305925659 454386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305925659 860302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1305925669 954202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a number of similar ones
< 1305925686 953084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamation mark plz
< 1305925697 380368 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : !
< 1305925701 45981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1305925710 279340 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1305925711 6266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a exclamation mark
< 1305925722 608231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes?
< 1305925740 437781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? isn't
< 1305925746 38489 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1305925880 733692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle writeSTRef
< 1305925880 815464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.STRef writeSTRef :: STRef s a -> a -> ST s ()
< 1305925880 901582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.STRef.Lazy writeSTRef :: STRef s a -> a -> ST s ()
< 1305925912 319072 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toBool 1
< 1305925912 897849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `toBool'
< 1305925943 581151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle update
< 1305925943 735113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.HashTable update :: HashTable key val -> key -> val -> IO Bool
< 1305925943 816278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap update :: (a -> Maybe a) -> Key -> IntMap a -> IntMap a
< 1305925943 816441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map update :: Ord k => (a -> Maybe a) -> k -> Map k a -> Map k a
< 1305925963 895875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Monad StateT
< 1305925963 977801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over.
< 1305925966 318833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src MonadTrans StateT
< 1305925966 425773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong!  You cheating scum!
< 1305925968 456269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1305925992 839437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src StateT >>=
< 1305925992 957455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. BOB says:  You seem to have forgotten your passwd, enter another!
< 1305926001 246247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Maybe >>=
< 1305926001 332663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong!  You cheating scum!
< 1305926004 63541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src stateT (>>=)
< 1305926004 144614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you!
< 1305926005 846497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src StateT (>>=)
< 1305926005 928346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found.
< 1305926007 673212 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305926011 327089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?src Maybe (>>=)
< 1305926011 408844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just x) >>= k      = k x
< 1305926011 490694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing  >>= _      = Nothing
< 1305926160 359114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype STT s m a = STT (STTState s -> m (a, STTState s))
< 1305926162 685681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: write >>= plz :P
< 1305926164 991519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so lazy.
< 1305926193 156344 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305926292 61260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1305926322 241844 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i just managed to get to mtl package documentation
< 1305926330 737206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah i went a bad route)
< 1305926341 58279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    m >>= k  = StateT $ \s -> do
< 1305926341 256410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        ~(a, s') <- runStateT m s
< 1305926341 387637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        runStateT (k a) s'
< 1305926345 266776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all weird and lazy and shit
< 1305926346 214969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually
< 1305926347 809040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :start minding again
< 1305926352 847383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1305926354 57367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a dollar
< 1305926386 482160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1305926387 210028 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian or United States money?
< 1305926390 506780 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : $
< 1305926415 165980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  STT m >>= f = STT $ \s -> do
< 1305926415 383776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (x,s') <- m s
< 1305926415 465932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    let STT m' = f x
< 1305926415 466102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    m' s'
< 1305926416 227660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely and ugly
< 1305926417 220599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you already had one up there anyway
< 1305926418 444436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the way I like it
< 1305926471 40219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok I have Monad and MonadTrans
< 1305926477 849720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: write a test program using the list monad or something so I can test this :P
< 1305926533 330000 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filterM (const [True,False]) [1,2,3]
< 1305926533 974219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[1,2,3],[1,2],[1,3],[1],[2,3],[2],[3],[]]
< 1305926650 12667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: with STT
< 1305926651 147742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do v <- newSTRef 1; x <- lift [1,2]; modifySTRef v (+x); readSTRef v
< 1305926662 276747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle modifySTRef
< 1305926662 377735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.STRef modifySTRef :: STRef s a -> (a -> a) -> ST s ()
< 1305926662 459613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.STRef.Lazy modifySTRef :: STRef s a -> (a -> a) -> ST s ()
< 1305926663 598739 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just modify a value in there :-P
< 1305926721 719851 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^
< 1305926738 857511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what should the result be?
< 1305926739 377648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ls -Qc1 art/*.html | perl -pe 's/\.html/\.txt/' | xargs -t touch
< 1305926752 306519 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,3] i presume
< 1305926753 479486 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason xargs is dumping every file into the same touch invocation. Any idea why?
< 1305926772 968784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*STT> runSTT test'
< 1305926773 254934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,3]
< 1305926774 896824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: great success
< 1305926782 394347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1305926784 73990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc I'm pretty sure this thing leaks like a sieve
< 1305926785 113875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares
< 1305926800 334618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iaYI
< 1305926803 720266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much a given :D
< 1305926812 161862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependencies: Rank2Types (unavoidable), GHC.Prim.Any, unsafeCoerce
< 1305926819 82810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, non-portable dependencies
< 1305926928 350118 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might avoid the Rank2Types by just supporting s = Map Integer Dynamic
< 1305926940 609202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm wait
< 1305926973 796605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd allow things to leak out of "threads"
< 1305926977 630344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus the unsafeCoerce would be safe no more
< 1305926981 110513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i realized
< 1305927034 535213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you are not using Dynamic are you
< 1305927056 17887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305927056 851514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just Any
< 1305927078 178182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one _might_ do that, avoiding explicit unsafeCoerce, but that would be an additional restriction on all the functions
< 1305927095 808648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have runtime baggage too
< 1305927101 400474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic keeps the type around
< 1305927101 834352 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah
< 1305927128 658048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, STT seems to be another case when the issue is just that Haskell has no real heterogeneous map
< 1305927133 928720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(similarly with Shiro's fingerprints)
< 1305927802 119540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src IO mplus
< 1305927802 237513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m `mplus` n = m `catch` \_ -> n
< 1305927807 693982 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^
< 1305927851 555188 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, Steam has gotten to be entirely *tolerable* with wine 1.3.20.
< 1305927852 505255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it switches from one IO chain to the next if the first errors?
< 1305927853 877230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's clever
< 1305927861 459251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?
< 1305927868 154932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how mplus works...
< 1305927873 333310 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of being glitchy but starting games right.
< 1305927873 727341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src IO mzero
< 1305927873 808711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzero       = ioError (userError "mzero")
< 1305927889 558159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what mplus does in general
< 1305927894 601021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not what it does wrt IO in particular
< 1305927906 167629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I suspect that elliott and I have entirely different definitions of "IO chain"
< 1305927931 250627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think s/chain/action/ is appropriate
< 1305928275 302207 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq:  do the games themselves run?
< 1305928309 764478 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Have for ages.
< 1305928332 201777 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? That's surprising actually. I can never get games to run in wine.
< 1305928357 681202 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, I don't have a graphics card...
< 1305928400 798120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do
< 1305928413 827262 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ..you know exactly what I mean.
< 1305928416 287966 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might not have one that's any *good*, but you certainly have one.
< 1305928636 494405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rapture is a language inspired by the recent prediction that the world will end on May 21st, 2011, 6 p.m. on the dot (The Bible Guarantees It!)"
< 1305928659 144442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether quibbling about the accuracy of that makes a whoosh sound or not
< 1305928667 959338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to create a talk page for that
< 1305928670 596430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I will say
< 1305928676 165548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow is the fucking rapture
< 1305928677 815889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last thing I need
< 1305928679 957622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is more shitty esolangs
< 1305928682 245622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to dampen the occasion
< 1305928709 971736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no thanks for reverting that talk page vandalism
< 1305928716 893610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought I got a new message but my talk page was unchanged :(
< 1305928719 994189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/cry
< 1305928724 878003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah the japanese already dampened the occasion, why do you think that big earthquake there happened
< 1305928735 667146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unfortuntately I can't turn the new-message bar off
< 1305928746 343060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all I wanted was a message... even one from a spambot :'(
< 1305928747 277136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I didn't trigger it with my rollback, the original edit did trigger it
< 1305928758 15446 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they were relieving earth's crust of stress to prevent the rapture from happening
< 1305928770 620301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why did you remove the link to the Givenchy Outlet site dedicated to helping people edit the esolang wiki? :D
< 1305928789 348670 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the full-screen mode of Steam seems buggy as *hell*.
< 1305928800 607997 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Source.
< 1305928800 706767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . Fish‎; 21:10 . . (-7,644) . . Harpyon (Talk | contribs) (Moved documentation to GitHub repository.)
< 1305928807 671378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give me one reason not to revert this...
< 1305928817 738005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wiki is meant to have information on it, not to outsource it to another (commercial) website
< 1305928849 92363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you complain enough to add it back i _may_ actually check whether it _is_ spam before undoing it.  maybe.
< 1305928857 362102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ;D
< 1305928902 341305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I check to see if things are spam before reverting them
< 1305928906 363715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does GitHub have a licence?
< 1305928921 272672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what
< 1305928923 124384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: all the stuff on Esolang is public domain, so it doesn't technically need one
< 1305928937 978780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, it works the other way around.
< 1305928986 430639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: feel free to revert it
< 1305928994 993377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'll have to do so by hand, because MediaWiki can't figure out how
< 1305929011 402302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've left a note on their talk page instead
< 1305929023 473928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'd be nice if they updated it too
< 1305929028 424996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1305929039 540061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow I will be in Victoria. But if there is Rapture, probably it includes Victoria, too.
< 1305929086 777385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victoria: A Land Untouched by Rapture
< 1305929088 626204 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305929125 133383 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well what you need to be careful about is to be in at least one timezone when it's 6 o'clock there (i don't remember if it's AM or PM)
< 1305929159 850428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are going to be _so_ pissed when they realize they missed the rapture because of a plane flight
< 1305929164 367153 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so Source engine games seem to not work under WINE any more. Though Steam works well.
< 1305929167 390818 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking hell.
< 1305929169 605488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D
< 1305929180 46222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise the rapture doesn't /end/ after six pm
< 1305929182 288057 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it segfaulted.
< 1305929209 116502 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you guys have a convincing argument for why array indices conventionally begin at 0? I'm pretty sure it's a good idea, but I have no idea how to explain why to someone else when they ask about it.
< 1305929217 801677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: see Dijkstra
< 1305929221 544418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Q.E.D.)
< 1305929227 398389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um the rapture is the precise even when people are lifted up to heaven, no?  what comes after is the apocalypse, or something.
< 1305929234 558879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm well maybe
< 1305929235 390753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*event
< 1305929250 507748 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what i was quibbling about the wiki page for, incidentally
< 1305929252 18457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but hypothetically, assume a Christian spontaneously materialised during the apocalypse
< 1305929254 231857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1305929261 743730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's to say they wouldn't immediately get raptured?
< 1305929267 527608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it mostly just makes formulas involving them simpler, you find you have to do a lot of adjustment by 1 with 1-based arrays
< 1305929272 476863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the same token, a plane flight wouldn't stop you getting rapture'd
< 1305929276 238338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you went past six pm somewhere
< 1305929285 221425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  oerjan: but hypothetically, assume a Christian spontaneously materialised during the apocalypse
< 1305929286 863058 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​427)  oerjan: but hypothetically, assume a Christian spontaneously materialised during the apocalypse
< 1305929295 779178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's possible
< 1305929311 134030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it just seems a really absurd thing to say, especially in context
< 1305929346 590580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305929354 962047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is as hypothetical as that thought experiment about when the earth would stop following its orbit if the sun suddenly disappeared (hint: general relativity requires energy/momentum to be locally conserved)
< 1305929409 729335 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305929424 317700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you guys have a convincing argument for why array indices conventionally begin at 0? I'm pretty sure it's a good idea, but I have no idea how to explain why to someone else when they ask about it.
< 1305929433 104252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was pointer arithmetic.
< 1305929592 950028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305929608 315913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305929827 497818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305929836 443868 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey what was that slow self-interpreter?
< 1305929838 496989 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowdown or whatever.
< 1305929866 297935 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowdown.b98, yes
< 1305929938 172000 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in fungicide right
< 1305929946 49335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt it
< 1305929949 174234 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it depends on FIXP or one of those other nasty fingerprints I'm avoiding implementing I think
< 1305929964 97438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iki.fi/deewiant/files/befunge/programs/slowdown.b98
< 1305929982 868322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, FIXP
< 1305929990 20024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will suck.
< 1305930004 86221 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's nasty about FIXP? :-P
< 1305930030 56090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't recall there being any nice fixed point things for Haskell that weren't based on decimal :)
< 1305930034 145366 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, well, FIXP seems to be decimal too
< 1305930041 716382 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, I don't know of any "nice" way to do it in Haskell
< 1305930047 487253 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck is xor in FIXP
< 1305930049 607982 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I believe you too, I think pointer arithmetic is one reason, however there are other good reasons too, actually
< 1305930050 850828 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIXP is just divide by 10000 / multiply by 10000
< 1305930051 287988 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes no sense, what
< 1305930060 136854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think it's logical, not binary, xor, too
< 1305930073 913809 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :N	(a -- 0-a)	Negate
< 1305930075 412446 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r u serious
< 1305930087 67318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source Data.Fixed
< 1305930087 148439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed not available
< 1305930088 383503 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... the worst waste of a letter i've ever seen
< 1305930095 423940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Data.Fixed
< 1305930095 535950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Fixed
< 1305930095 665788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed data Fixed a
< 1305930095 747809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed showFixed :: HasResolution a => Bool -> Fixed a -> String
< 1305930107 440513 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yah but no nice instances i do not think
< 1305930111 735139 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1305930115 425771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealFrca at least
< 1305930116 795512 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealFrac
< 1305930117 661589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sqrt
< 1305930118 233301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a) => a -> a
< 1305930120 662366 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not Floating
< 1305930124 549011 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of very limited use
< 1305930138 431790 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it need to be floating
< 1305930143 547620 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t acos
< 1305930144 161421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a) => a -> a
< 1305930149 563901 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: if I want to use the existing Haskell functions...
< 1305930150 198924 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably implemented using int and casts to/from float in RC/Funge-98
< 1305930170 147761 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean implementing acos by myself for Fixed doesn't sound useful
< 1305930171 126663 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305930172 406687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean implementing acos by myself for Fixed doesn't sound fun
< 1305930174 218509 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was replying to oerjan
< 1305930187 709268 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use integers
< 1305930203 853677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1305930209 427224 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but that involves casting to like Double or something.
< 1305930212 922794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's grossssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
< 1305930216 651385 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With lotsa ses
< 1305930239 20794 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :push . floor . (*10000) . sqrt . fromIntegral . pop
< 1305930249 232390 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS INACCURACYYYYYYYYYY
< 1305930261 630930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :push . floor . (*10000) . sqrt . (/10000) . fromIntegral . pop
< 1305930275 122202 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Like said, the "reference implementation" probably uses (int) and (float)
< 1305930299 558440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The reference implementation is also written in C, what's your point
< 1305930313 91358 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's /your/ point
< 1305930313 514292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm meant to have class
< 1305930321 506651 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Grossssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
< 1305930330 963989 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever :-P
< 1305930337 24899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there an easy way to turn a maybe-failing pattern match into a Maybe
< 1305930349 777214 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not
< 1305930352 858084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like
< 1305930353 760826 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case genericDrop n env of
< 1305930353 946007 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :      value:_ -> pushStringAs0gnirts value
< 1305930354 43805 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :      _       -> reflect
< 1305930356 716279 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if I could say
< 1305930363 153823 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it in a monad
< 1305930366 918327 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :value:_ <- magic (genericDrop n env)
< 1305930372 314014 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, MaybeT's fail is Nothing
< 1305930373 945526 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swee
< 1305930374 387758 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe is a monad
< 1305930375 116528 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet
< 1305930383 595627 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: MaybeT is a monad (transformer) that I already use
< 1305930392 587745 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1305930404 90507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaybeT fails at Nothing
< 1305930494 586415 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1305930550 837128 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey wait
< 1305930557 990808 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means that liftMaybe is totally pointless
< 1305930563 688939 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x <- liftMaybe y" == "Just x <- y"
< 1305930568 175788 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool???
< 1305930572 513143 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no.
< 1305930573 796940 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually
< 1305930575 985236 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let Just x = y
< 1305930577 44219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But er
< 1305930585 633129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do let statements actually come out as <- return??
< 1305930596 954066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do they just implicitly "in" the rest of the block
< 1305930826 901322 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan knows, he wrote the Report
< 1305930895 633047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305931022 655754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicitly "in"
< 1305931030 840323 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be polymorphic, after all
< 1305931068 437686 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need Just x <- y
< 1305931076 276484 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need "Just x <- return y"
< 1305931077 172498 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately
< 1305931078 186440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ugly
< 1305931081 152095 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305931085 153845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305931128 782232 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you need that?
< 1305931154 358330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his monad isn't Maybe itself
< 1305931172 377368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So that when the pattern-match fails it (fail "...")s
< 1305931182 10494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than "let Just x = y" which wouldn't do that
< 1305931184 595513 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can return give Nothing?
< 1305931202 286797 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1305931205 967150 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure you understand how monads work ;D
< 1305931219 271070 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y is a (Maybe a)
< 1305931225 721618 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do Just x <- return Nothing; "Like this"
< 1305931226 390347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ""
< 1305931239 47476 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But the pattern-match succeeds there
< 1305931243 242107 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how it can possibly fail
< 1305931247 349046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no it doesn't
< 1305931257 316564 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, woot
< 1305931258 832398 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it failed, thus returning "" instead of "Like this"
< 1305931259 602144 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1305931273 384007 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Just
< 1305931279 242564 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left
< 1305931286 743679 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing
< 1305931309 323297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do Right x <- return (Left "hm..."); "Like this"
< 1305931309 948185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ""
< 1305931446 225788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do Right (Left x) <- Left "hm..."; return x
< 1305931446 872573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Base.Monad
< 1305931446 954835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             (Data...
< 1305931458 802226 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1305931478 749441 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll give return a nicer name :D
< 1305931487 177945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do x <- Left "hm..."; return x
< 1305931487 754891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Base.Monad
< 1305931487 870840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             (Data...
< 1305931490 782723 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll come back to EVAR to restructure it later
< 1305931503 7662 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cleans up the work-in-progress FING code.
< 1305931516 22400 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should do something about lambdabot's import mess
< 1305931520 394327 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a wonderful language Haskell is
< 1305931547 819054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :         case Map.lookup ins m of
< 1305931548 35173 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :          Nothing -> return ()
< 1305931548 116432 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :          Just [] -> return ()
< 1305931548 116507 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :          Just (_:xs) -> modifyFPInstructions (Map.insert ins xs)
< 1305931548 371142 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1305931555 530526 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how to represent that without right-leaning indentation
< 1305931556 580280 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can't
< 1305931626 34767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit awkward there, but is that really a case where you want to remove it?
< 1305931630 650561 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1305931643 245122 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this costing me almost a second :(
< 1305931646 221593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two Just branches after all
< 1305931665 332060 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1305931679 692804 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and it's return (), not reflect
< 1305931684 800432 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: if you put the two first cases last you just need one _ -> return ()
< 1305931701 441910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then...
< 1305931756 370393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help anything but it doesn't matter :)
< 1305931830 104669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromMaybe (return ()) $ do Just (_:_) <- Map.lookup ins m; return (modifyFPInstructions (Map.insert ins xs)
< 1305931838 615487 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that ...
< 1305931840 16403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't any nicer
< 1305931844 565956 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still one level of indentation, too
< 1305931854 274276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm monad comprehensions are nicer when you have a return in the last item
< 1305931888 297581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you want to do a pattern match without a single indentation level?
< 1305931890 90799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hLNa ;; it's ridiculous how much less this is indented with MaybeT
< 1305931898 889051 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I've been saying for quite a while that there's no actual problem with it
< 1305931901 629832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just ignored me ;D
< 1305931920 261324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your "indeed" was ambiguous :P
< 1305931989 981889 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db42f41.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: h[a]gb4rd
< 1305932035 745044 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305932050 551853 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram
< 1305932055 310481 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable
< 1305932066 444554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariably not constant
< 1305932148 137997 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is the day for daemons to escape
< 1305932153 904778 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305932339 370042 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hrm?
< 1305932379 993801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's such a raptuous day!
< 1305932417 863020 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rapturous
< 1305932461 19655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay happy rapture
< 1305932467 819057 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighteen hours until we all perish
< 1305932470 717759 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1305932470 919010 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1305932471 891632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perish
< 1305932475 194330 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that eventful really
< 1305932479 75813 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some earthquakes, buncha christians evaporate
< 1305932541 290346 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eva Porata
< 1305932607 547849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you have a link to slowdown?
< 1305932697 887410 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's in the lastlog
< 1305932720 353238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1305932721 579320 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot
< 1305932728 839388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, xchat has lastlog
< 1305932807 7714 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305932873 869797 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305933006 299069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : eighteen hours until we all perish <-- err, which one is it claiming that?
< 1305933015 979736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which one"?
< 1305933018 227075 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only prediction
< 1305933019 759091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six pm local time
< 1305933021 30842 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set your watches
< 1305933041 688746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me if the Rapture happened in Australia.
< 1305933051 182815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, according to who?
< 1305933055 942475 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not time yet.
< 1305933060 503712 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: according to the may twenty-first people.
< 1305933074 785550 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 10:41 in Kingston which is on "NFT" and ostensibly in Australia.
< 1305933076 326916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*googles*
< 1305933078 313556 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So still about seven hours to go.
< 1305933081 7496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's later in NZ.
< 1305933114 567657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean: my twenty-first people.
< 1305933115 296945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1305933161 120677 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:13 Saturday (NZST) - Time in Wellington, New Zealand
< 1305933161 355653 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatham Islands		11:58				CHAST
< 1305933165 100105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK so about seven hours before we know.
< 1305933171 516732 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait.
< 1305933174 836575 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiritimati		13:13				LINT
< 1305933187 847083 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming they have Christians there, five hours.
< 1305933195 379 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although whether the word would get out is arguable.
< 1305933205 992014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, is it supposed to happen in local time everywhere
< 1305933207 996821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird
< 1305933208 844660 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiritimati
< 1305933213 749438 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep an eye on 'em.
< 1305933215 825055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yep.
< 1305933237 732192 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Presumably to stop us crowding up the pearly gates.
< 1305933248 61533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, is that solar time or based on timezone?
< 1305933256 264404 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timezone apparently
< 1305933262 505278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange
< 1305933269 935350 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you try and legally change it so that six pm just doesn't exist, God smites you for being a smartarse
< 1305933279 561673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1305933306 562726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I can't find much from googling these guys
< 1305933312 847288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaat?
< 1305933315 493218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's shitloads about then.
< 1305933316 658376 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :them
< 1305933324 544607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :may 21th
< 1305933331 934882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I typed it out
< 1305933338 439138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting you did it due to
< 1305933344 180232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard issues
< 1305933353 517727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :may 21 gets more results
< 1305933365 5606 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_end_times_prediction
< 1305933376 111419 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305933407 64359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also see Google news "rapture", "May 21"
< 1305933412 605823 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suicide prevention hotlines have been set up because experts fear despondent followers who are depressed that the expected event did not appear on May 21."
< 1305933426 946894 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I guess I'll have to FORCE my way in!"
< 1305933435 353836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Camping previously claimed that the world would end in September 1994."
< 1305933444 529431 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An interview with a group of church leaders noted that all of them have scheduled services as usual for Sunday, May 22."
< 1305933452 317084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SERVICE CANCELLED DUE TO RAPTURE"
< 1305933487 592708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly are the effects of rapture?
< 1305933505 717277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His followers claim that around 200 million people (approximately 3% of the world's population) will be raptured."
< 1305933508 903252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, well that's not all Christians
< 1305933523 125272 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All the Christians evaporate, lots of earthquakes and shit, then Satan starts to rule the world
< 1305933531 308773 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's peaceful for a while but then the world ends and there's all sort of apocalyptic wars and shit like that
< 1305933531 742633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305933532 666421 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite fun
< 1305933552 662208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Tribulation_views.svg
< 1305933553 111526 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH
< 1305933592 428196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Christ is said to have hung on the cross on April 1, 33 AD. The time between April 1, 33 AD and April 1, 2011 is 1,978 years." <-- yes and how is that an argument...? XD
< 1305933611 605618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, more number mess further down "explaining" it
< 1305933649 326224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this logic is only marginally easier to follow than timecube
< 1305933671 900990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in a Great Disappointment."
< 1305933675 939678 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great Disappointment is the best name for anything ever.
< 1305933679 841613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also I think we should combine this with jurrasic park to get velicorapture
< 1305933688 574760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, OK that is the best.
< 1305933694 23664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can't spell.
< 1305933703 30618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh indeed, modulo typos
< 1305933737 15351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, velocirapture then
< 1305933770 296529 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
< 1305933771 869178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you mean velocirapture is the best or the bad "logic" is the best?
< 1305933772 269271 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the rapture come yet
< 1305933774 814178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with that pun in two thousand and seven :P
< 1305933784 706140 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: aren't you the one who made that language
< 1305933788 237981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yeah but we all forgot it
< 1305933796 409744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey i didn't _tell_ you guys
< 1305933807 551364 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Rapture language?
< 1305933810 45022 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested it
< 1305933817 431661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah
< 1305933821 689115 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . N Rapture‎; 13:09 . . (+795) . . 122.106.155.219 (Talk) (started it up)
< 1305933821 827211 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . List of ideas‎; 13:05 . . (+14) . . 122.106.155.219 (Talk) (adding Rapture)
< 1305933825 598981 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: you can't fool us
< 1305933826 76851 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1305933880 352924 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1305933959 325256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1305933968 446362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to be up early if the Rapture starts!
< 1305933972 628968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305934004 514029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm, I guess I ought to implement command-line arguments for slowdown :-)
< 1305934063 627672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what are you doing with slowdown?
< 1305934086 16861 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: What for?
< 1305934089 542537 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Trying to run it.
< 1305934091 927371 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Because it demands them.
< 1305934105 62335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you meant that, yes :-P
< 1305934207 825512 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# a series of sequences of characters (strings), each terminated by a null, the series terminated by an additional double null, containing the command-line arguments. (env)
< 1305934208 7470 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :      This means any isolated argument can be a null string, but no two consecutive arguments may be null strings - a rather contrived scenario, null string arguments being rare in themselves.
< 1305934208 89245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :      The first string is the name of the Funge source program being run.
< 1305934209 734181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305934211 436172 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cracks knuckles
< 1305934218 46695 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, this makes me want to expand my monad stack
< 1305934220 158530 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To include Reader
< 1305934226 888901 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arguments never change do they
< 1305934232 626562 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's some argument-changing fingerprint I guess
< 1305934244 445005 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I need to have them passed to the interpreter because getArgs would be stupid unreliable with option arguments and the like
< 1305934269 80001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this shows some humour (hopefully): The New York Police Department (NYPD) stated: "We don't plan any additional coverage for the end of the world. Indeed, if it happens, fewer officers will be required for streets that presumably will be empty."
< 1305934270 674037 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-174-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1305934293 984576 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 more hours until the beginning of the end.
< 1305934375 61602 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, isn't it supposed to be at 6?
< 1305934446 597144 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes, and it's... 4 hours and 26 minutes until it is 18:00 somewhere.
< 1305934480 36556 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant wait
< 1305934497 970719 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Actually, four and a half.
< 1305934499 339290 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1305934503 318065 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Kiritimati.
< 1305934513 574340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH the news might not get out of there.
< 1305934532 813496 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: They're predicting a massive earthquake when the festivities start.
< 1305934557 82124 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1305934559 994139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least, the tsunami hitting Hawaii would be noticable.
< 1305935266 374058 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305935294 910604 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1305935311 371350 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm, is there any "system state" in Funge apart from the arguments and environment variables? I guess that's ill-defined
< 1305935335 760872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill-defined, yes :-P
< 1305935347 726567 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :Discussion about how to be more insane without discarding your vision | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1305935355 333742 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can access the whole filesystem with i/o
< 1305935364 472191 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean that
< 1305935365 621853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  FungeState { fungeSpace :: FungeSpace
< 1305935365 763971 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :             , ipList :: ([IP],[IP])
< 1305935365 895701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :             , maxIPNumber :: Value
< 1305935365 977795 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :             , globalFPState :: GlobalFPState }
< 1305935371 855368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look really weird if I tag "also, arguments" on to it
< 1305935376 746603 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want an excuse to make a SystemState record :D
< 1305935439 848526 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't think of anything else from the top of my head
< 1305935453 906306 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks his watch
< 1305935455 905941 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone raptured yet?
< 1305935477 683228 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like we said, four and a half hours to go.
< 1305935482 35993 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe closer to four now.
< 1305935487 348535 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat
< 1305935491 802230 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time zones have foiled me for the last time
< 1305935502 635357 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I am a supervillain, I will solve this problem by UNROLLING THE EARTH!!!
< 1305935533 236877 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :When every country has the same normal vector, there will BE no time zones!
< 1305935645 51861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Can you do that?
< 1305935669 449545 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, he's a supervillian. He can't, because some hero will stop him.
< 1305935680 186699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is rapture. I think the text in the Bible is not necessarily literal! Also there may be mistakes due to whatever
< 1305935701 534412 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm pretty sure no one here actually thinks the Rapture is coming.
< 1305935719 450761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You are probably correct.
< 1305935750 251338 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blowing up the earth is so cliche.
< 1305935756 550886 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to leave it intact, but disrupted in a fundamental way!
< 1305935913 200531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: "foo"G failed
< 1305935913 955161 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh
< 1305935915 578515 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHen did I break G
< 1305935918 127813 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]When
< 1305935938 56741 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: i misread or o miswrote
< 1305935938 597015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurgh
< 1305935951 611596 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: opening 'mycorand.bf' with i failed
< 1305935951 902886 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file is part of Mycology and should exist.
< 1305935951 984319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, perhaps the system isn't giving permission to read it.
< 1305935959 22996 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I see Mycology doesn't support, ehm, out of tree builds :-0
< 1305935961 100138 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]:-)
< 1305936011 780795 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, it'll just clutter your cwd with temp files and fail the i/o tests
< 1305936048 829261 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't "clutter", it removes them
< 1305936055 656865 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you have FILE
< 1305936058 753362 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1305936149 775758 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately
< 1305936152 287311 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: "foo"G failed
< 1305936154 267299 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still happens
< 1305936183 293288 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try harder at the Deadfish challenge of code golf!
< 1305936184 169104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38
< 1305936189 260924 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ELSE
< 1305936230 718058 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess I'll implement FIXP now
< 1305936286 945125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, what FIXP instructions does slowdown use >:)
< 1305936336 190481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -o '[A-Z]' slowdown.b98
< 1305936362 122098 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, due to comments, don't use -o, but anyway :-P
< 1305936377 723255 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomization and exponentiation, maybe something else too
< 1305936401 463749 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just make them all error so I can see :P
< 1305936478 534449 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did FIXP used to be two fingerprints or something
< 1305936485 546947 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's FIXP
< 1305936487 188689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge
< 1305936487 312946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like fixed-point shit, plus a bunch of random mostly-numerical things
< 1305936491 340576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: a thing
< 1305936525 562035 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only exists in befunge?
< 1305936533 79440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^)
< 1305936533 626335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Num a, Integral b) => a -> b -> a
< 1305936533 907642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: yes
< 1305936549 974646 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does befunge even have a library
< 1305936561 31428 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called fingerprints
< 1305936564 82033 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D	(n -- rnd(n))	RanDom number
< 1305936570 76621 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So, uh, by "rnd(n)"...
< 1305936572 656384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1305936578 280289 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably [0,n) but beats me
< 1305936829 132184 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slow does slowdown go again
< 1305936841 320504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow enough that you'll notice it
< 1305936842 946443 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./shiro slowdown.b98 forks.b98
< 1305936843 131491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiro: WTF? Executed 32.
< 1305936846 724112 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant what did you do........................
< 1305936861 399155 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bug in your space handling? HA HA
< 1305936874 186841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is this a common reaction to slowdown? :-P
< 1305936889 466431 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Interpreter.hs:    else doIns val
< 1305936889 548411 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Interpreter.hs:doIns :: Value -> Shiro ()
< 1305936889 548590 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Interpreter.hs:doIns 32 = error "WTF? Executed 32."
< 1305936889 548752 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Interpreter.hs:doIns i | i < 32 || i > 126 = reflect
< 1305936889 548854 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Interpreter.hs:doIns i =
< 1305936890 193119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Interpreter.hs:            replicateM_ (fromIntegral n) (doIns =<< peek pos)
< 1305936895 411089 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a common reaction of CCBI's to various test things I've come up with
< 1305936896 570178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call doIns literally twice, you must be doing something horrible :P
< 1305936916 421012 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  if isStringMode ip && val /= dquote
< 1305936916 636491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    then push val
< 1305936916 718286 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    else doIns val
< 1305936923 681666 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK but I toNextIns before that and toNextIns should never land on a space.
< 1305936923 826043 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: kp such that the p is spaced over?
< 1305936932 427293 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1305936936 337593 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, I just checked
< 1305936938 599501 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k might be it indeed
< 1305936942 649932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :            replicateM_ (fromIntegral n) (doIns =<< peek pos)
< 1305936947 502505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So doIns should just nop on a space basically
< 1305936947 903636 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait
< 1305936954 962928 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does k have to skip spcaes
< 1305936955 927931 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces
< 1305936964 809521 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm but I already /do/ nextInsPos
< 1305937009 180754 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1305937133 511585 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What do you mean by "spaced over" anyway
< 1305937158 14611 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A space gets put on top of it
< 1305937192 877986 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro is a haskell befunge interpreter?
< 1305937212 280566 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes.
< 1305937215 982541 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Gets put on top of it... when?
< 1305937219 927639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the k
< 1305937220 931534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :While k is executing?
< 1305937226 793196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I, uh, think k takes a single tick for m
< 1305937227 265739 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1305937231 473927 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that bad
< 1305937235 478288 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's good
< 1305937243 76640 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean the thing inside the k spaces it ou
< 1305937243 637711 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1305937246 2445 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should happen in that event?
< 1305937249 612230 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it find the instruction after the spaces?
< 1305937250 975107 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just do nothing?
< 1305937259 501477 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction is found only once
< 1305937263 69452 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it continues looping
< 1305937277 98100 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, right
< 1305937284 263450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, k saves the instruction itself
< 1305937302 714493 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :            ins <- peek pos
< 1305937302 869395 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :            replicateM_ (fromIntegral n) (doIns ins)
< 1305937303 808273 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was easy.
< 1305937332 114993 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it /meant/ to take like over ten seconds before I see any output from a simple program?
< 1305937345 674407 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, given that Mycology takes over a second
< 1305937357 841545 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm
< 1305937360 689362 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Bastard :P
< 1305937363 192021 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Re: "over a second")
< 1305937372 393331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your program is slow it shouldn't be that slow, I don't think
< 1305937373 510115 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It /used/ to just take a second, but then I had to go and clean up the frickin' code
< 1305937380 530210 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The program is forks.b9[eight]
< 1305937384 934770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on the order of seconds anyway :-P
< 1305937388 26539 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology seemed a bit mammoth to try
< 1305937388 839588 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to milliseconds
< 1305937399 831507 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try sanity.bf :P
< 1305937415 895350 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time ./shiro slowdown.b98 mycology/sanity.bf
< 1305937416 157185 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
< 1305937416 239175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m3.664s
< 1305937416 659125 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum
< 1305937424 984138 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1305937426 686774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a symptom of a slow fungespace, right?
< 1305937432 231838 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily slow wrapping?
< 1305937436 314029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sanity.bf doesn't even wrap.
< 1305937463 712053 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow wrapping would take minutes or hours, probably
< 1305937476 972346 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So be thankful it doesn't wrap if you have slow wrapping
< 1305937493 271087 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have fast wrapping, just not when you pull shit like this ;)
< 1305937521 755603 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a program as small as that, it might be a symptom of a slow stack
< 1305937528 208876 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as fungespace
< 1305937535 783253 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profile it to be sure :-P
< 1305937538 613879 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose haskell has a profiler?
< 1305937570 401260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Haskell is a language, it has no profiler indeed
< 1305937575 651855 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC is an implementation of Haskell, it has an excellent profiler
< 1305937584 577190 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time ./shiro slowdown.b98 mycology/mycouser.b98
< 1305937584 736617 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^C
< 1305937584 818199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	2m14.510s
< 1305937586 37016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: welp
< 1305937597 858906 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Slow space and/or stack
< 1305937599 785154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my fan is on full blast now
< 1305937606 567853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well I do the global bounds thing still.
< 1305937623 648796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My stack is just a Haskell list but pushing and popping shouldn't be slow
< 1305937642 106470 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check its max size if you can easily
< 1305937697 602212 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can print out the size every tick? :P
< 1305937717 505250 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to slow it down a shit-tonne more, go ahead :-P
< 1305938124 795508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It /used/ to just take a second, but then I had to go and clean up the frickin' code <-- fail at refactoring ;P
< 1305938153 929069 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved a new monad stack
< 1305938165 641266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, slow I guess?
< 1305938175 109180 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1305938184 161188 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just point eight s more on myco
< 1305938207 21219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/profiling.html
< 1305938209 354211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a bit
< 1305938216 541099 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A.k.a. 45%
< 1305938218 425875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, more than the runtime of cfunge on it
< 1305938224 154415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ouch that is huge
< 1305938224 236231 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up
< 1305938234 286498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, request rejected
< 1305938238 452272 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll optimise later
< 1305938242 404882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1305938254 316940 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correctness first unlike cfunge by default >:)
< 1305938259 371944 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exact bounds)
< 1305938282 954128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, actually the exact bounds has been on by default for ages
< 1305938296 983569 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluh bluh
< 1305938300 744652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, besides it was due to a misunderstanding of the spec
< 1305938304 126011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it happened at all
< 1305938306 342758 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1305938316 598372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluh bluh >:)
< 1305938333 54410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and stop going "bluh bluh" when you realise you there is no way out of a discussion
< 1305938337 811648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to admit defeat :P
< 1305938353 131412 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Found out what's up yet?
< 1305938385 455950 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nope, taking a break
< 1305938400 74281 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'm going to bed
< 1305938558 659896 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305938614 425863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :smae
< 1305938616 372521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same*
< 1305938736 599521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1305940488 864671 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305941269 901569 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: No languages have a profiler.
< 1305941275 793467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several language implementations do.
< 1305941295 196838 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, I see
< 1305941295 600753 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-19-197.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305941305 567932 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5 hours until the beginning of the end.
< 1305941315 961125 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1305941319 324781 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens at 6 pm
< 1305941342 437069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. 3.5 hours until it is 2011-05-21T18:00 in UTC+14.
< 1305941351 406086 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's where you live? Alright
< 1305941355 259920 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.5 hours heree
< 1305941360 29467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, lemme redo that.
< 1305941383 484633 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I convert before the great earthquake reaches my time zone will I be saved?
< 1305941517 192911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5 hours until 2011-05-21T18:00+14...
< 1305942447 700594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Tar cannot store all possible UNIX files.
< 1305942468 93029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible to archive a UNIX socket with tar.
< 1305942486 936204 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is perfectly possible with cpio, though.
< 1305943107 520340 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNIX sockets are similar to FIFOs in that they actually have entries in the filesystem)
< 1305943222 501427 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it be able to?
< 1305943249 580691 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the archival format does not define a way to encode them.
< 1305943275 897734 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the idea that it's just a file, though?
< 1305943284 429553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a different type of file.
< 1305943304 132894 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I thought the idea of UNIX was that everything could be treated with the same interface - as a file
< 1305943308 688467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like device files, FIFOs, and directories are different types of files, so an archival format needs to explicitly support them.
< 1305943364 969559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can't just open a random file *as* a FIFO, device file, or UNIX socket.
< 1305943379 200375 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to explicitly make them into those types of files.
< 1305943400 4974 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's true
< 1305943414 164028 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So an archival format needs to encode that information.
< 1305943420 894469 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305943427 21041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like zip can't encode device files, tar can't encode UNIX sockets.
< 1305943438 939076 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo
< 1305943464 480918 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, 373-byte bog-slow BF interpreter in python: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/stuff/litebf3.py.txt
< 1305943575 723915 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd also been working on an optimised interpreter though the best optimisation i had was the simplest (use a tree, use run lengths for >< and +-, and another program node for [])
< 1305943609 224061 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need the exec because you're compressing it, right?
< 1305943612 461838 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305943634 493103 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :my execless attempt was 384 bytes
< 1305943689 144702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicably, pax doesn't support UNIX sockets either.
< 1305943690 926038 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i hope this routing loop won't kill my connection
< 1305943720 617853 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
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< 1305943737 198348 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better, now on ethernet
< 1305943768 977773 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to get a simple hub or switch for here though, i have a freedos desktop
< 1305943777 757574 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's got the drivers it needs or something like that)
< 1305944430 525798 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my optimised interpreter has been given a kick in the pants
< 1305944553 652323 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-19-197.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1305945011 737871 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, 373-byte bog-slow BF interpreter in python: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/stuff/litebf3.py.txt
< 1305945019 20793 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht, it's below one hundred and sixty chars in C :)
< 1305945083 372707 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds believable
< 1305945089 227072 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 160 < 240
< 1305945093 718043 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one
< 1305945193 333720 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :where bouts is that, btw?
< 1305945202 752822 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try and find it
< 1305945206 62722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://j.mearie.org/post/1181041789/brainfuck-interpreter-in-2-lines-of-c
< 1305945210 5276 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s[99],*r=s,*d,c;main(a,b){char*v=1[d=b];for(;c=*v++%93;)for(b=c&2,b=c%7?a&&(c&17
< 1305945210 371232 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?c&1?(*r+=b-1):(r+=b-1):syscall(4-!b,b,r,1),0):v;b&&c|a**r;v=d)main(!c,&a);d=v;}
< 1305945210 514557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1305945231 74995 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1305945660 50893 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i've just attempted a sudoku solver in prolog
< 1305945679 368373 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more of a brute forcer to be quite honest
< 1305945883 910769 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An hour and twenty minutes until the start of the Rapture, dudes.
< 1305945893 176405 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Kiritimati
< 1305945963 361710 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 10pm where?
< 1305945990 311610 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10pm??
< 1305945993 884605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's six pm local time.
< 1305946003 219657 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently 16:44 on Kirtimati.
< 1305946006 875445 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's supposed to be 10pm here
< 1305946011 392874 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's 14:47 here
< 1305946015 94254 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1305946017 855183 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's six pm local time everywhere.
< 1305946020 7147 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, i think boardok_boxes() is a bit broke
< 1305946038 579926 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, so we know the day AND the hour!
< 1305946045 459258 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently we must be jesus' father
< 1305946066 233549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It respects timezones
< 1305946067 950641 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is awfully nice
< 1305946071 9774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :daylight savings too I suppose
< 1305946087 67522 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's no more implausible than the rest of christianity :)
< 1305946141 612342 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it doesn't even line up
< 1305946145 627055 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :with christianity
< 1305946158 919053 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :timezones are godgiven
< 1305946160 568039 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dst is man made
< 1305946187 751718 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :those guys do this big thing on one verse that at least at first says they're wrong
< 1305946196 934032 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they forgot to cover the "but my father only" bit
< 1305946226 245708 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that the Bible contradicts itself about that :P
< 1305946232 369042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a ridiculous sized sudoku for brute force to not be optimal
< 1305946368 127807 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, found the mistake in this
< 1305946371 305219 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a , instead of a .
< 1305946473 734087 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :boardok(Board) :- boardok_boxes(Board), boardok_rows(Board), draw_board(Board), boardok_cols(Board), draw_board(Board), write('^ got one! ^\n').
< 1305946560 655619 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Somehow mycouser is magically fast now.
< 1305946740 239882 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It'd just be one more discrepancy, wouldn't it.
< 1305946778 669200 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: It's not even like they're citing an obscure interpretation of the Bible, though.
< 1305946787 732308 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: They're doing numerical games.
< 1305946789 990984 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally.
< 1305946822 893724 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're saying that jesus will arrive shaped like a thief
< 1305946842 489250 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm sure that what the verse is referring to is jesus' return being unexpected
< 1305946866 713847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're /sure/?
< 1305946873 881929 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's moot.
< 1305946889 335911 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainty in interpreting the bible is, historically, not the kind of certainty that turns out to be justified
< 1305946959 521933 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As there is no evidence for the veracity of any of the *other* supernatural claims out there, it seems moot that there's any veracity in the supernatural claims of a handful of shepherds and fishermen 2000 years ago, that happened to be a succesful meme.
< 1305946973 92084 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, lemme rephrase that.
< 1305947006 402980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It seems moot to discuss the interpretation of the supernatural claims of a handful of shepherds and fishermen 2000 years ago, that happened to be a succesful meme."
< 1305947020 27988 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that seems a bit more like what I meant.
< 1305947056 330841 :PoohBear_!~Pooh@c-98-202-198-182.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1305947650 388666 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i haven't found a single board yet that fulfils both boxes and rows
< 1305947729 650430 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305948738 280658 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3bkmD-70e4
< 1305948868 754294 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half an hour until the Rapture begins.
< 1305948964 673335 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1305949186 272546 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1305949226 169683 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :msnbc says the world is likely to end at 6 pm on the east coast actually.
< 1305949235 307133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :credible source.
< 1305949263 587808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: As has been much discussed, it will be 2011-05-21T18:00 in each time zone.
< 1305949277 456532 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's 20 minutes until that time in UTC+14.
< 1305949341 15061 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's UTC+12 here
< 1305949347 307401 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually uhh
< 1305949358 772598 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION np pink floyd - another brick in the wall pt 2 (live)
< 1305949375 323284 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think it's utc+12
< 1305949382 61572 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're in may which i believe is not DST
< 1305949405 120888 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ah, I'm glad God is sensitive to our time zone standardizations.
< 1305949415 458442 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric : msnbc says the world is likely to end at 6 pm on the east coast actually.
< 1305949417 483316 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Likely"?
< 1305949423 882759 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ...yep.
< 1305949428 280434 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's American news for you.
< 1305949433 363030 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me, I gotta see this.
< 1305949444 446349 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://powerwall.msnbc.msn.com/business/your-guide-to-the-end-of-the-world-1688853.story
< 1305949449 283916 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written tongue-in-cheek, I think.
< 1305949460 917087 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as more RELIABLE sources -- i.e. this channel -- go, it's twenty-two minutes until the island Kirtimati gets an unfortunate case of the raptures.
< 1305949470 682788 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so it begins.
< 1305949480 322323 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's The Daily Beast, not msnbc
< 1305949486 273581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msnbc just appear to syndicate it
< 1305949509 253919 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1305949517 366205 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is...
< 1305949524 408735 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Camping says only 200 million will go zoop into the sky.
< 1305949528 355116 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay we're getting called by 91867 again
< 1305949533 641322 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So converting to Christianity is pretty much pointless.
< 1305949539 376013 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn...
< 1305949542 418491 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satanism?
< 1305949544 602805 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT
< 1305949547 838359 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :where'd he get that number?
< 1305949554 937728 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Bullshit.
< 1305949558 188516 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Dude, this is religion.
< 1305949560 353208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really have to ask?
< 1305949562 822067 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: his ass.
< 1305949570 382340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Even if nobody gets raptured, though, the horrible earthquake shit will still start.
< 1305949579 502722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we should get reports of the aforementioned earthquake shit soon enough.
< 1305949593 476841 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if he can't back it from the bible he's not a very reliable prophet
< 1305949607 75859 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn... I better get a hot air balloon.
< 1305949610 78089 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: And being able to back it from the bible would make him any more reliable?
< 1305949611 207560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not.
< 1305949620 323889 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the bible is true then yeah
< 1305949622 684660 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes. That is the only solution.
< 1305949633 254856 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: And if Camping is right, then yeah, Camping is reliable too.
< 1305949633 410788 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if he's claiming to be a christian, it needs to "line up"
< 1305949644 18862 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Well, he /has/ "backed" it.
< 1305949646 594840 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a bunch of numerology.
< 1305949656 162751 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Christians do pull shit out of their ass often.
< 1305949658 60056 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the somethingth anniversary of Jesus kicking the bucket or something like that.
< 1305949659 616762 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: if you ever get a call from 91867... find an old computer that doesn't connect to the internet that isn't even x86)
< 1305949669 568943 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: what
< 1305949682 304834 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :91867 do a phishing scam using remote desktop
< 1305949693 995950 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently your computer is broken and they need to run a program to fix it
< 1305949705 122233 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you have caller ID, that number might show up)
< 1305949706 556925 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of phone system is this
< 1305949711 168097 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea
< 1305949711 267425 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :91867 has like two digits
< 1305949714 494784 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone numbers are longer than that
< 1305949718 900450 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discordian numerology would suggest that the world ended last Thursday. I think Camping needs to rethink his numbers. People go get civil engineering degrees and suddenly they think they can be an apocalypse mathematician... hogwash!
< 1305949720 254567 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait utc+twelve you said
< 1305949721 986297 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new zealand?
< 1305949731 913344 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305949736 342979 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hours until your rapture, I hope you enjoy it
< 1305949751 200205 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote apocalypi
< 1305949752 772344 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​115)  I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ...
< 1305949758 723622 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if New Zeland only has 100 people per zip code...
< 1305949763 738238 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er area code
< 1305949778 342013 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you /are/ all uncivilised backwater sheepfuckers, so I'm hardly surprised.
< 1305949856 395483 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: wouldn't it be great if all of the Christians vanished and then nothing bad happened? That's almost like atheist heaven.
< 1305949867 161868 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: um, no?
< 1305949873 543391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe anti-Christian heaven.
< 1305949886 992959 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It'd be better if all of the atheists vanished and were lifted into heaven.
< 1305949889 111505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, you'd have to put up with serious infrastructure loss.
< 1305949899 402323 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ...sure. If you want to take my joke literally, as is the case often on this channel...
< 1305949901 177115 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are rewarded with this, for not believing in things for which there are no evidence."
< 1305949908 1518 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: YEP
< 1305949913 422969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, though, that many in this paradise would hate God still. But hey, atheist heaven.
< 1305949920 269632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you lifted that from a dresden codak comic :D
< 1305949938 271274 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah, yeah, I know.
< 1305949948 875167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Atheist heaven is a neat concept.
< 1305949981 863673 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy i'm tired
< 1305949991 152288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And demonstrates just how little evidence we have for a "god", anyways. If there were a god, from the evidence we have, he really *could* have set up heaven for atheists.
< 1305949993 945697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  I see the infrastructure loss as an opportunity for benevolent non-Christian people to take charge and make the world a better place. Like corporations. Yeah, corporations.
< 1305950002 491923 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeaaaaaaaaah no
< 1305950038 373846 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: or, barring that, an excellent opportunity to test various anarchist theories.
< 1305950044 117474 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT is such an ungodly trade. It needs to be more rapture ready
< 1305950047 98346 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's anarchy got to do with this
< 1305950048 928137 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Actually, all the Christians leaving would fuck shit up pretty quick...
< 1305950052 217060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, there are plenty of perfectly good/intelligent christian people. well i guess it depends how you define christian... if you mean raving fundamentalists, then it'd probably be no big loss, but they're relatively harmless anyway, so it's not really beneficial
< 1305950074 733056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Let me ask you, what would happen to the world economy if 85% of the US population disappeared?
< 1305950077 335719 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you're talking about over a billion people here
< 1305950080 565633 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over two billion it seems
< 1305950089 292726 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  of course. I didn't mean to imply that. I was speaking of what would if society in mostly Christian Western nations collapsed as a result.
< 1305950097 685158 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/would/would happen/
< 1305950112 628852 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't really make any sense as something you'd want; even if you're anti-Christianity, disliking Christian people for it is idiotic :)
< 1305950117 78591 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, sure.
< 1305950141 153167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think most anarchists view a total natural-disaster-esque (that's what it'd be like) event that plunges society into chaos to be the ideal kind of transition though :)
< 1305950159 10343 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, wikipedia says there's only about a million wiccans
< 1305950165 151201 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no. But idealism is always the flaw with those anarchists, you know...
< 1305950173 942598 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise it's a tiny modern sect but that's still weird
< 1305950185 968793 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta work with what you get.
< 1305950198 88373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, it is getting bright :(
< 1305950223 443366 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Neopaganism tends to be a hard sell.
< 1305950249 8477 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I guess it's just because wiccans tend to be loud about it ;-P
< 1305950254 705829 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a weirdo smiley.
< 1305950260 593363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small sects tend to be.
< 1305950288 750345 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Raëlism.
< 1305950306 416547 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: How many Discordians are there?
< 1305950320 465589 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a weird smiley, take this :-ṕ
< 1305950328 196914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hmm, I would say that Raëlism tends to attract people who are already crazy, though :)
< 1305950339 928050 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  the number is probably suppressed or diminished in some way as part of a conspiracy theory. Yep.
< 1305950341 825809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Highly debatable.
< 1305950361 477241 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, yeah, that is Raëlism for you.
< 1305950362 137380 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas neopaganism tends to (and I realise this is an incredibly biased observation) snap up teens before or after they become nihilists :P
< 1305950368 800579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: that sure is a weird smiley
< 1305950370 796237 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that accent even
< 1305950378 662349 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: there's about three discordians
< 1305950385 242671 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :idunno, it just exists in unicode
< 1305950399 951652 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-Đ
< 1305950400 292504 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ð
< 1305950403 252484 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ß
< 1305950404 666284 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ŋ
< 1305950405 910087 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ħ
< 1305950407 548144 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ĸ
< 1305950409 499817 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ł
< 1305950411 14674 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i thought there were 5
< 1305950411 422664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::»
< 1305950420 247189 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: no. three. don't give in to the deception.
< 1305950420 884040 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-ő
< 1305950434 657929 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :: seems interesting
< 1305950447 963895 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like his mouth is disintegrating into the air
< 1305950452 93362 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on fixedsys excelsior
< 1305950463 949325 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I noticed a mild hangup in my network connection when rapture occured somewhere. :D
< 1305950465 370447 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Let's just say that Discordianism is hard to define well enough to give a count of its members.
< 1305950468 850352 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people /use/ fixedsys excelsior?
< 1305950468 968049 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :must mean something.
< 1305950473 88857 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess masochism never dies
< 1305950476 880549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap
< 1305950478 961102 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rapture did just happen
< 1305950482 522720 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone check the news
< 1305950484 307632 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any earthquakes?
< 1305950486 40542 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X̴̪͕̜̭̻̪̝͚͈͒̂͆̏̎̌ͧ
< 1305950489 156262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did kiritimati just get fucked
< 1305950489 961540 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like fixedsys and I like unicode
< 1305950491 119804 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus guys
< 1305950491 871654 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a guy to do
< 1305950500 760120 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: stop liking fixedsys? :)
< 1305950505 92613 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1305950512 717148 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Queen reveals she is a huge fan of The X Factor"
< 1305950514 460946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus
< 1305950519 272431 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just clicked on google news to see about any earthquakes
< 1305950519 993511 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aiiiiiiiii!
< 1305950522 259272 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need to start a rumour that fixedsys is the lord's own fonttype
< 1305950523 600201 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then suddenly lost faith in my monarch
< 1305950525 568045 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it'd be catchy
< 1305950526 298031 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS GOOGLE
< 1305950531 63450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding, i don't give a shit about the queen
< 1305950539 490947 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.google.co.uk/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&q=earthquake
< 1305950543 754994 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I DON'T SEE ANY EARTHQUAKES
< 1305950546 116744 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly, it changes over time
< 1305950553 17804 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 5.9 earthquake! oh noes
< 1305950562 433966 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Turkey, fifteen hours ago
< 1305950564 978991 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lord's font at the moment is that particular sans font that shows up in the later NLTs and NIVs
< 1305950568 658468 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PREEMPTIVE RAPTUREQUAKE
< 1305950572 930208 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aren't there meant to be signs and wonders up until the rapture?
< 1305950594 666281 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Well, you win the award for "most questionable definition of The Lord's Font of the day" :P
< 1305950601 963986 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: No, it's a stealth rapture.
< 1305950609 782707 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a raptor.
< 1305950611 779783 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like a stealth fighter
< 1305950616 790185 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305950618 626039 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it reflect radar
< 1305950627 295120 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i was going by the typefaces that bibles tend to be printed in
< 1305950645 683977 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: There are plenty more translations than NIV and NLT :P
< 1305950649 940554 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a gideon's NKJV with a ridiculously bold-looking serifed one
< 1305950652 870379 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes i know that
< 1305950655 311914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't have any stats
< 1305950671 432717 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realised that the ESV doesn't seem to have the same font as those though
< 1305950676 536201 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :A meta-analysis of fonttypes used for bibles
< 1305950681 699416 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the CEV has it
< 1305950687 686934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gideons... I wonder if they actually convert enough people to justify the ridiculous effort
< 1305950693 715938 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you can even get the GNB anymore but that uses a serifed font
< 1305950706 234865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've converted a single person.
< 1305950712 218459 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :b҉o҉o҉m҉҉҉҉
< 1305950713 984388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always really tempted to take the Gideon's Bible whenever I see it in a hotel room, but I'm not sure that's allowed?
< 1305950717 802064 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather they usually do deals with the hotels these days
< 1305950722 501623 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than actually bothering to go in and put them there
< 1305950729 23116 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they were doing it manually it'd be legal of course
< 1305950764 844363 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: is the moon made out of blood at your locale?
< 1305950777 147738 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes.
< 1305950778 176701 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll be. There *was* an earthquake vaguely near 6PM, UTC+14.
< 1305950781 812285 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong location, though.
< 1305950788 557594 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: HAHA
< 1305950789 946819 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Where?
< 1305950791 932533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papua New Guinea.
< 1305950795 195570 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1305950797 869581 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be a standard way to measure the occurance of a biblical standards-compliant rapture.
< 1305950799 715675 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/strong-65-magnitude-earthquake-hits-off-coast-of-papua-new-guinea/story-e6frf7jx-1226056555864
< 1305950802 162285 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how close is Papua New Guinea?
< 1305950812 314355 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Kititbstibst, that is.
< 1305950816 971033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...rather close, globally speaking
< 1305950827 307071 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how close is it? Half an hour before?
< 1305950828 510944 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :aͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥͥ
< 1305950835 647238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ?
< 1305950847 665327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Approx. half an hour before, yeah.
< 1305950855 1908 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :k͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆͆
< 1305950861 788210 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Startin' to believe a little :P
< 1305950870 643128 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man I SHOULD BE IN BED but I am busy talking about the rapture??
< 1305950873 494322 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In UTC+10, though?
< 1305950888 507665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, the date is "May 16".
< 1305950894 282245 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Never mind*.
< 1305950894 603099 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1305950895 362975 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P
< 1305950900 937703 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you :P
< 1305950903 711818 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gettin' my hopes up and all that
< 1305950917 886763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think that in the ellipsis oerjan typed up there, he started beliving
< 1305950920 701608 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]believing
< 1305950982 773604 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess this is kind of what 2012 will be like too.
< 1305950989 978588 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/
< 1305951007 611174 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: What -- boring?
< 1305951015 674815 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping 2012 will be more like what happens in Shadowrun where magic reawakens in our world. Or was that 2013?
< 1305951030 479724 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: some mild anticipation and boredom, yes.
< 1305951036 212952 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: This map is harshing my vibe. Is there just an ordered-by-time list?
< 1305951054 44258 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php
< 1305951054 261253 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you can do anything with Perl...
< 1305951062 304637 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not at five am.
< 1305951071 195821 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not if you want to stay happy with yourself and not at all suicidal.
< 1305951081 650013 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.... okay.
< 1305951082 544854 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS best name
< 1305951093 289355 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Georgia_and_the_South_Sandwich_Islands
< 1305951095 447813 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEPUTY POSTMASTER
< 1305951192 66770 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: WTF. P in FIXP (multiply by pi) doesn't take fixed point as argument.
< 1305951242 452401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle sign
< 1305951242 551506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent.QSem signalQSem :: QSem -> IO ()
< 1305951242 633463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent.QSemN signalQSemN :: QSemN -> Int -> IO ()
< 1305951242 714538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude significand :: RealFloat a => a -> a
< 1305951244 110634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle signum
< 1305951244 212390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude signum :: Num a => a -> a
< 1305951311 645478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, if the claims were actually true, I think that all countries but Kiribati could postpone the end inevitably.
< 1305951331 67863 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Like I said, if you try and tricky bullshit, God will just smite you.
< 1305951332 556913 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having an emergency meeting of their legislatures and declaring their local time to be UTC-several trillion.
< 1305951338 472254 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  Camping was a civil engineer. It's possible he got his math wrong.
< 1305951345 932601 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway Christians wouldn't /want/ to.
< 1305951350 329311 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the rapture something they /want/?
< 1305951407 408814 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It's been demonstrated that Christians are more likely to want large amounts of life support to put off death for a bit longer, y'know.
< 1305951425 56433 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have a citation handy, sadly)
< 1305951431 525694 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Christians? Afraid of death? Surely not.
< 1305951450 297103 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wrong person :P
< 1305951457 85520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yah, but...
< 1305951460 68491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's the frickin' rapture.
< 1305951465 737008 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God's practically BEGGING you to come home.
< 1305951538 894195 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305951565 354928 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Would work just fine for non-Christian legislatures, though.
< 1305951732 445791 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1305952065 69377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't civil engineers have to have a factor of safety of 2
< 1305952069 305023 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we need to wait twice as long as what he said
< 1305952080 203769 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :14k years?
< 1305952104 344220 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww.. no rapture for us.
< 1305952140 66355 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess that means I get to sin more.
< 1305952152 310418 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, the only reason I'm an atheist is so I can sin without consequence.
< 1305952187 9587 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Alternative reason: it's a "phase"
< 1305952207 80364 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1305952214 557665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So condescending.
< 1305952617 453529 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle doRapture
< 1305952617 608528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found
< 1305952640 235023 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..okay, I'm fairly certain the world isn't going to end now.
< 1305952657 582385 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo
< 1305952660 2367 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any earthquakes?
< 1305952677 174267 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. My dad is a Christian and he still walks on the earth.
< 1305952684 385524 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... there's that.
< 1305952718 212476 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no blood-moon. Or recognizable horsemen.
< 1305952755 770424 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hundred million only
< 1305952758 36178 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you even paying attention jesus
< 1305952763 96832 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, it'd happen at 2011-05-21T18:00 local time.
< 1305952781 826378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you live in eastern Kiribati, it's not happened yet.
< 1305952788 538927 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I think if God were going to rapturize us he would do it all at once.
< 1305952814 432341 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The claim is that it's happening at 2011-05-21T18:00 in each time zone.
< 1305952824 984363 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you even been paying attention?
< 1305952832 997105 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even have earthquakes not along fault lines
< 1305952838 807063 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only barely.
< 1305952850 69172 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: see: God  :P
< 1305952856 649713 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Zombie IESVS.
< 1305952867 369980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this is shitty
< 1305952868 993459 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a fucking rapture
< 1305952871 609047 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its early and im bored
< 1305952875 73613 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least a raptor.
< 1305952884 193086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not _that_ bored.
< 1305952891 608530 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm boreder
< 1305952898 344978 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's plank in preparation for the rapture
< 1305952900 246801 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got any billboards?
< 1305952910 152058 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes that bored.
< 1305952919 927315 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world is very boring and nothing fun ever happens.
< 1305952990 166501 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's the rapture in norway (they get arpture early because are dumb)
< 1305953003 124368 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very quiet so far
< 1305953019 986583 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE QUIET SOUND OF DEATH
< 1305953238 973471 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you could invest your energies in formulating a proof by contradiction of Christianity as a whole. Or you could find a way to profit off of this. If it's already too late to do that, then you can start profiting on 2012.
< 1305953273 942582 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sell funny t-shirts, posters, mugs, etc.
< 1305953292 357202 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter whether Christianity contradicts itself?
< 1305953304 542169 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. no
< 1305953316 734205 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is perfectly possible to make a belief system just as unlikely that does not contradict itself, after all, and I'd feel no compulsion to believe in that.
< 1305953327 453211 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't see why the opposite would apply (stop believing in something because it's contradictory).
< 1305953369 849170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One should only believe that which there is evidence for.
< 1305953382 572265 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense to me. the inverse condition isn't going to be truth if the original is true, so... INVALID POINT.
< 1305953389 932701 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not things without evidence are consistent or not is completely and utterly irrelevant.
< 1305953402 705623 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: inverse or converse, for that matter.
< 1305953463 493737 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Point is: believing in Christianity is a mistake not because it might contradict itself, but because it makes outrageous claims that don't pay their dues (they don't offer useful predictive power) and gives no justification for them.
< 1305953509 744502 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is: ...I had no point to begin with.
< 1305953533 386937 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :profiting from 2012 seems like a much better use of time actually.
< 1305953593 276709 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somehow design a doomsday-themed esolang...
< 1305953626 133972 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Rapture
< 1305953627 704774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks >:)
< 1305953645 221094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Timwi is seriously not going to edit until Graue sysops him which is not going to happen ...
< 1305953648 475607 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1305953828 250073 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305953832 656827 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: its five five seven am
< 1305953835 230609 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go to slep :/
< 1305953842 205026 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey happy hour anneverseryu of pocalypse
< 1305953848 49523 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know let me think about it. -opens python-
< 1305953853 840080 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: brace yourself for apoaalypse in hour
< 1305953874 236414 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> random.choice(["sleep", "don't"])
< 1305953874 357251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't"
< 1305953903 213897 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did my own science
< 1305953904 580166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> random.choice(["sleep", "don't"])
< 1305953907 144731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"butts"
< 1305953907 515893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1305953913 164235 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my python is broken
< 1305953924 489361 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmmm, yeah sounds like a bug in random
< 1305953932 306910 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bug
< 1305953933 650980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the universe
< 1305953941 813464 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably not go to sleep and report it immediately.
< 1305953984 586772 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i have an idea
< 1305953985 535282 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to trick myself
< 1305953989 449046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i go to TRY OUT going to sleep
< 1305953990 343915 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like
< 1305953991 696804 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't like it
< 1305953995 638600 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just get up and stop going to sleep
< 1305953996 155393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1305953998 705224 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'll trick me because
< 1305954002 565805 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fall asleep before i realise it
< 1305954009 761400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops now i've told myself how it works it won't work
< 1305954014 161993 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh. sure.
< 1305954021 780704 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok fuck this shit bye
< 1305954030 73152 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that taking melatonin helps with that.
< 1305954056 180067 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got some thanks to utah apparently being collectively stupid enough to not realise that it's prescription only here?
< 1305954063 880506 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, i looked it up and it isn't and they're just planning to make it that
< 1305954067 895277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the meantime they're telling everyone it already is
< 1305954075 927489 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you fool enough people that's pretty much the same thing as making it law but easier??
< 1305954077 464332 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows
< 1305954081 144656 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im pretty much tired enough anyway
< 1305954083 196334 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1305954085 733880 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is obvious from how stupid these words are
< 1305954090 859466 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont think ill have any problem falling unconscious
< 1305954184 936132 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey CakeProphet the obligation falls on you to remind me to implement the rest of fixp kthx bai
< 1305954396 610548 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I'm sure I'll remember that.
< 1305954467 277425 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1305954548 863154 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... There's *germ theory denialists*‽
< 1305954582 851504 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't see germs
< 1305954584 548988 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove they exist
< 1305954681 896758 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have observed them.
< 1305954697 23109 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, forgot about microscopes
< 1305954698 621412 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno then
< 1305954808 543882 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Microscopes?  More like deceptive little microdemons!
< 1305955078 411807 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY RAPTURE EVERYONE!
< 1305955144 38090 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet!
< 1305955150 53077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't rapture in America, Home of Jesus yet
< 1305955163 606016 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse but todays THE DAY
< 1305955472 301075 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatham Islands, 6:09 PM
< 1305955517 227698 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1305955707 45138 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, mathnews!
< 1305956255 523454 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is today the day anyway
< 1305956259 706303 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this all about, i've been ignoring it
< 1305956271 6020 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was supposed to be 2012 for the mayan thing, so this must be something else?
< 1305956438 637014 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: it's the rapture
< 1305956544 691958 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really help me any
< 1305956548 177709 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who decided it's the rapture?
< 1305956558 878749 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy
< 1305956561 549571 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said so in the bible
< 1305956562 778330 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he found it
< 1305956564 655015 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's right
< 1305956572 768696 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you better hope you get lifted to heaven
< 1305956599 714492 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1305956603 290108 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely going to hell
< 1305956895 239797 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to wait until October for that
< 1305956911 103858 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1305957793 848522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305958031 744276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the pfargtle were there so many damned cops?
< 1305958049 596863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw like 4. On the same block. At the same time. Just crusing.
< 1305958104 845101 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1305958143 950527 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1305958503 113741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's passed 6pm in the UTC+12 timezone, now
< 1305958506 658389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any evidence of rapture?
< 1305958577 518243 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1305958591 372546 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor was there any in UTC+13 or UTC+14.
< 1305958616 262321 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also going to be 6pm in UTC+11:30 soon.
< 1305958618 605342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those timezones exist?
< 1305958624 867430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+13 and +14, that is
< 1305958630 716641 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1305958632 923773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were no timezones more than 12 from UTC
< 1305958636 65212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I was wrong
< 1305958648 639385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiribati is UTC+12, UTC+13, and UTC+14.
< 1305958693 848235 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand is UTC+12 (UTC+13 daylight), UTC+12:45 (UTC+13:45 daylight), UTC-10, and UTC-11.
< 1305958731 71591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand that's the set of UTC+12+ timezoned countries.
< 1305958785 262760 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any rapturing yet?
< 1305958794 416089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like the way we're covering this more or less the same way Ilari covers IPv4 exhaustion
< 1305958815 380795 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total, utter nerdiness? Yeah, it is pretty nice. :)
< 1305960146 135700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, UTC+11:30 rapture!
< 1305961192 322419 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+11 rapture!
< 1305961324 52942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo.
< 1305961371 861366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happened?
< 1305961644 683154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that seems a little unlikely
< 1305962308 857640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The time *of* the rapture occured.
< 1305962327 861960 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rapture itself, of course, did not, and is extraordinarily unlikely to ever occur.
< 1305962413 621910 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1305962426 484106 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT WE THINK
< 1305962527 343517 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 minutes until the rapture in my local time
< 1305962543 773028 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :COUNT DOWN
< 1305962547 407743 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :37
< 1305962715 269122 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And UTC+10:30 rapture in 5 minutes.
< 1305962737 559174 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Australia, with its :30 time zones.
< 1305962784 264643 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops missed a few minutes. 34
< 1305963264 418710 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :26
< 1305963507 764491 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ticotimes.net/News/News-Briefs/Chaos-in-Costa-Rica-s-Congress_Sunday-May-01-2011
< 1305963601 643404 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :20
< 1305963675 682497 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think the time zone confusion is a deliberate tactic
< 1305963688 63505 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of the rapturemania fissling out all at once, it does so over a longer period because no one's sure quite when it's meant to happen
< 1305963879 451859 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :15...
< 1305964189 508305 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :10...
< 1305964873 548459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm; I see no new minutes announced. Must've been raptored.
< 1305964917 979525 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope still here
< 1305966003 520852 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1305967128 286643 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now in Act 5 Part 2
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< 1305968075 217418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, has the Rapture started?
< 1305968075 337533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1305968244 526463 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. someone on freecycle is giving away an orgon radiator. should i get it?
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< 1305968961 389718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what those things are
< 1305969213 724893 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you should
< 1305969249 25435 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: orgone is a "force" that psychologist Wilhelm Reich posited surrounds us and influences us
< 1305969259 642499 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone
< 1305969267 335256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1305969279 778204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone ever try to give away one of those, then?
< 1305969432 461053 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're useless?
< 1305969452 879299 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet some people have inherited them and have no desire to use them for any reason wahtsoever
< 1305972137 372570 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll drop the guy an email.
< 1305972232 220883 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's also giving away a foot rest, which i might pick up because it's practical.
< 1305973302 831898 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897.
< 1305973310 728490 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it look like?
< 1305973318 992701 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always purpose it for something practical.
< 1305973322 28429 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :re*
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< 1305973856 192619 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i asked for photos
< 1305973873 514387 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's small - then i can use it as a door stop or a futuristic paperweight.
< 1305975711 370932 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: 1... 2... 3... HUGS! :D
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< 1305976031 285805 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs cheater897 
< 1305976047 18240 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1305976050 562878 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugz back.
< 1305976056 900366 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1305976423 18533 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested in seeing my undoubtedly crap fast-as-hell intro to type theory with the simply typed and dependently typed lambda calculus?
< 1305976427 494226 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X
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< 1305976654 897042 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, aww, that's so cute. i could eat you whole.
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< 1305976886 421235 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :D=
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< 1305976942 395740 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
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< 1305979555 523915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[When a new queen is available, the workers will kill the reigning queen by "balling" her, colloquially known as "cuddle death"; clustering tightly around her until she dies from overheating.]] — [[wp:Queen bee]]
< 1305979558 527649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuddle death!
< 1305979583 756040 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Phantom_Hoover <#
< 1305979585 140962 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3*
< 1305979608 257741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION menaces Lymia with a brick until she leaves him alone.
< 1305979613 727499 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1305979617 697561 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But...
< 1305979618 727144 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs!
< 1305979629 994179 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who could not ilke them.
< 1305979631 655404 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :like*
< 1305979632 768298 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :D=
< 1305979643 567471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TRY TO FOOL ME I KNOW AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT WHEN I SEE ONE
< 1305979651 892326 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;
< 1305979741 975157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buckfast bee"
< 1305979754 16067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please please please let it brew Buckfast instead of honey.
< 1305979800 438078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, termites are closely related to cockroaches.
< 1305980735 29583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/21/jon-ronson-how-to-spot-a-psychopath
< 1305980736 529441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ronson!
< 1305980742 397280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I nodded and thought it probably wasn't a great idea for prison libraries to stock books about Ted Bundy."
< 1305982543 56484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why his Facebook tab is taking steadily more memory by the second.
< 1305983512 670241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ... you use facebook?
< 1305983539 473402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes Vorpal have you considered that you are in fact not the only person in the world.
< 1305983593 883187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what has that got to do with it
< 1305983602 219593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm just surprised you use facebook
< 1305983611 441160 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure elliott does not for example
< 1305983625 715990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I would have assumed you would be one to dislike facebook as well
< 1305983629 887255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes this is because I made the mistake of having RL friends.
< 1305983639 865164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, poor you
< 1305983653 480608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do dislike it, I just use it for communication with them.
< 1305984248 336982 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, tell them to connect to #esoteric
< 1305984256 804367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahahahano
< 1305984305 651721 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1305984376 724568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they are mostly idiots.
< 1305984385 875779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions
< 1305984399 253380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, common misconceptions.
< 1305985218 92674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, spider anatomy is more interesting than I thought.
< 1305985330 996580 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1305985367 217280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, now I want a shirt made of Nephila silk, to go with my ring made of tantalum-180m.
< 1305985380 400164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't end up a billionaire I am going to go deeply unsatisfied.
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< 1305985817 849658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great list
< 1305985865 394185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, although I'm currently looking up spiders.
< 1305985892 205054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think there should be a list of uncommon misconceptions, to go alongside it?
< 1305985892 548179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portia_(genus)
< 1305985904 374046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome our new spider overlords.
< 1305985929 568119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would reference "Insect Nation" but it's a song so it doesn't fit as well.
< 1305985958 987765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Glass is not a high-viscosity liquid at room temperature: it is an amorphous solid, although it does have some chemical properties normally associated with liquids."
< 1305985999 394938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I particularly hate that one because it's one of those myths that has attained critical mass, so it's an uphill struggle convincing anyone it's wrong.
< 1305986256 404690 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, most people just don't understand the way glass flows (very, very slowly) all the time. i mean otherwise why would you have bubbles of air in glass, right?
< 1305986547 629653 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the flowing of glass prevents these bubbles?
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< 1305986604 360725 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about that, my father disconnected the router again.
< 1305986612 556487 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he observation that old windows are sometimes found to be thicker at the bottom than at the top is often offered as supporting evidence for the view that glass flows over a timescale of centuries. The assumption being that the glass was once uniform, but has flowed to its new shape, which is a property of liquid.[37] However, this assumption is incorrect; glass does not flow. The reason for the observation is that in the past, when panes of g
< 1305986612 638127 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric : commonly made by glassblowers, the technique used was to spin molten glass so as to create a round, mostly flat and even plate (the crown glass process, described above). "
< 1305986624 709778 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, he doesn't know that I fixed the neighbours' router earlier.
< 1305986653 264439 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, for what?
< 1305986666 727186 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threaten to ban his MAC address from the router if he does not cease doing so,
< 1305986689 529909 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the network card on the laptop blew so it's using a wired connection anyway.
< 1305986702 59681 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block wired connections?
< 1305986705 708813 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your router let you do that?
< 1305986731 127821 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1305986738 772579 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, and I can't really be bothered because then he'll probably just lock my laptop away for insubordination.
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< 1305986764 305056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1305986791 402330 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have any backdoors into his system?
< 1305986861 15032 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've removed the x flags from all the web browsers in the past, but I don't really feel like being vindictive this time because I'm not really affected.
< 1305986873 148862 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1305986881 502527 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackmail is always fun.
< 1305986907 519842 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Coriolis effect does not determine the direction that water rotates in a bathtub drain or a flushing toilet."
< 1305986928 750176 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, that's another myth everyone believes utterly.
< 1305987078 591042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spider_internal_anatomy-en.svg
< 1305987097 383886 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brain is surprisingly large...
< 1305987329 998002 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most sense in a thing ever: http://p.zem.fi/8tyq
< 1305987611 872540 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we expect a rebirth of fungot, now with Homestuck mode?
< 1305987628 892560 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that output filtering thing, I guess.
< 1305987641 559733 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that's why it's not online at the moment.
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< 1305987905 349786 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What output filtering thing?
< 1305987916 746164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The no-ctcp one.
< 1305988016 62987 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1305988553 979115 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Homestuck?
< 1305989209 437444 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1305989255 318419 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you not seen the glory of fungot.
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< 1305993523 302825 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Still* no Homestuck update?
< 1305993540 816316 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two days without an update¬!
< 1305993542 594432 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!
< 1305993548 268810 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he said there wouldn't be a Flash!
< 1305995013 943747 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION giggles
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< 1305995486 936933 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, what are you laughing at, MURDERER
< 1305996071 14913 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(tell me why drag queens are OK and the Black and White Minstrels aren't, because I'm really curious)"
< 1305996088 393116 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this is what I get for reading an article linked to by the Register.
< 1305996097 470298 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, in turn, what I get for reading the Register.
< 1305997634 416463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the real reason is that the Minstrels made fun of other people, and drag queens typically make fun of themselves
< 1305997991 386001 :Burmudar!~Dude@41-133-121-199.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305998265 669361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Drag queens are not making a mockery of females.
< 1305998627 497386 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1305998632 903716 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, did it look like I was *agreeing*?
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< 1305999980 12350 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
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< 1306000484 18709 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No.
< 1306000782 169096 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306001199 25769 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1306001507 289169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asfsadfasdfadsfd god I hate phones.
< 1306001518 492266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has a more obnoxious communication system been devised?
< 1306001604 626378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In March 2007, Greater Manchester Police seized two golliwogs from a shop after a complaint that the dolls were offensive." — WP
< 1306001641 267317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this image now of the police kicking down the door and coming in with guns drawn for retrieval.
< 1306001843 740148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306002079 765225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that seems a little unlikely in the UK
< 1306002205 355348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I dunno, they're all savages in Manchester.
< 1306002223 269503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember if ais523 lives in Manchester or Birmingham.
< 1306002229 241017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham
< 1306002236 194477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both equivalent in my mind.
< 1306002239 753900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, the police generally use axes for raids rather than guns
< 1306002255 489756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to justify, and much harder to kill someone with, while being better against inanimate objects like doors
< 1306002283 992104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK that works too.
< 1306002312 820247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how easy it is to shoot down a door with a typical gun?
< 1306002321 187651 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeminguhm
< 1306002362 253591 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, very easy if you use a shotgun
< 1306002362 445010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1306002397 854927 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically need to shoot the area around the lock to disconnect it from the door frame.
< 1306002747 247678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's pretty much the preferred way to break into a house these days.
< 1306002773 11088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presuming you don't mind your entry being obvious)
< 1306002778 657587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thanks for the tips.
< 1306002792 635729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know what to do next time I foget my keys.
< 1306002828 781751 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destroy your door? Hah.
< 1306003315 140040 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I forget my keys, I think I'm going for a window.
< 1306003327 371215 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306003412 905822 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a shotgun?
< 1306003568 158394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306003668 751251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:19:54:  hmm, I like the way we're covering this more or less the same way Ilari covers IPv4 exhaustion
< 1306003669 929293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1306003697 879538 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1306003704 127588 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is heaven facing ipv6 exhaustion yet?
< 1306003774 330489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1306003820 939934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaven went on ipv7 long ago
< 1306003832 973041 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses bignums
< 1306003876 845314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, their global addresses cannot fit inside our universe
< 1306003905 231110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pigeonhole principle worries me a bit
< 1306003914 161329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :names can never work :o
< 1306003924 228813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because eventually names will get as long as what they're naming...
< 1306003959 870936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels disgustingly unraptured
< 1306003995 818034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: >implying you're one of the two hundred million chosen Christians
< 1306004002 367930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 21, 2011 passed without this prediction coming true. [15]
< 1306004003 987987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Wikipedia
< 1306004035 47058 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1306004035 128205 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :His time zones thing really screwed him over.
< 1306004047 39544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of disappointing
< 1306004048 887698 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We get to say he was wrong 27 times in a row.
< 1306004054 189772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306004062 323788 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so. We are still living with bigots?
< 1306004067 165308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i wish there was some kind of minor earthquake
< 1306004071 394662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like
< 1306004078 619941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :massive earthquake somewhere in the totally unpopulated pacific
< 1306004083 255345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to dramatise it up a bit
< 1306004089 116962 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then there would be a tsunami.
< 1306004091 400906 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do NOT want that.
< 1306004094 902968 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: if we assume rapture occured at astronomical noon, we'd get to say it infinitely many times!
< 1306004096 89441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well there almost certainly was a minor earthquake.
< 1306004110 897069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: meh, didn't even feel a thing when japan had one ;D
< 1306004114 699336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shaddap
< 1306004126 128129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Now now, space is discrete.
< 1306004128 434515 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you bastard.
< 1306004146 591415 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually it would be eerie if they discovered there had been absolutely _no_ earthquakes anywhere today
< 1306004151 935245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1306004180 999520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to load familyradio.com, unsuccessfully
< 1306004189 860140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that site?
< 1306004207 952835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Judgment_Bus_New_Orleans_2011.jpg
< 1306004209 138771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME NEWS
< 1306004209 667893 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[snip]:~/craftbook$ ping familyradio.com
< 1306004209 813757 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING familyradio.com (209.10.202.163) 56(84) bytes of data.
< 1306004209 895710 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from familyradio.org (209.10.202.163): icmp_req=1 ttl=57 time=61.0 ms
< 1306004209 895886 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from familyradio.org (209.10.202.163): icmp_req=2 ttl=57 time=90.9 ms
< 1306004211 983553 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be DDOS'd.
< 1306004215 333221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the radio station of the guy who made the prediction
< 1306004220 233973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306004238 491897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1306004239 762834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :subject: Re
< 1306004241 779437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from: enfermeria
< 1306004243 807605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :body:
< 1306004245 226256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Email-Id Awarded £750.000.00 Pounds in B.P.O Promo Send"
< 1306004245 381153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names...Tel...Country...]]
< 1306004249 450921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the rapture of ME BEING RICH
< 1306004254 791494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1306004273 494783 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, somebody should buy one of those trucks
< 1306004274 36589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared to report this as spam because it's such a tiny, contentless email that I'm afraid it'd cause legit email to be considered spam later :)
< 1306004295 597922 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And drive it on May 22
< 1306004300 689121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail's spam filters seem to be less effective than usual lately
< 1306004302 568669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why?
< 1306004312 60944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hmm, what's the current Julian date?
< 1306004316 427519 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1306004347 156204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe gregorian is the wrong calendar
< 1306004360 775101 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/daterdnm.sh
< 1306004367 425259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, seems not
< 1306004379 457538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw, what did the guy himself say about the failed prediction?
< 1306004379 636565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UTC has no time zones. It is the same world-wide."
< 1306004380 392885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :durr
< 1306004385 730994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what I'm trying to find out
< 1306004399 450851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the website is down
< 1306004401 245665 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC has no time zones?
< 1306004406 669140 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean UTC /is/ a time zone?
< 1306004418 990555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306004445 946666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ask the military :P
< 1306004457 481619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, that statement is utterly stupid
< 1306004462 521201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway why did they have that page
< 1306004477 328094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the MJD? Julian day?
< 1306004479 584522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1306004490 742753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/
< 1306004491 466276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the military care about that
< 1306004494 12120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time service department
< 1306004497 761600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306004506 8583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the military care about accurate timekeeping, obviously :)
< 1306004533 857462 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "usno" part refers to U.S. Naval Observatory, they also care about such things presumably.
< 1306004556 974745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"America's official timekeeper" apparently.
< 1306004568 94568 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, the "How Many Clocks?" link from that front page gives an Internal Server Error.
< 1306004572 738338 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must have too many clocks to count.
< 1306004622 471736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many clocks spoil the... time soup.
< 1306004678 807968 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306004866 638117 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1306004889 416704 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many cocks spoil the cock soup.
< 1306005307 610370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1306005536 979341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiro/Fingerprints/FIXP.hs:23:63:
< 1306005537 97189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `(Value, Value) -> (Bool, Bool)'
< 1306005537 97357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `Bool'
< 1306005537 97463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: (Value, Value) -> (Value, Value) -> (Bool, Bool)
< 1306005537 948012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: (Value, Value) -> Bool
< 1306005540 12762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god what
< 1306005541 872815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join
< 1306005542 529723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a
< 1306005544 153423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot?
< 1306005545 907415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1306005553 284815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join (/= 0)
< 1306005553 925771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `a1 -> a' against inferred type `Bool'
< 1306005554 7669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `join', namely `(/= 0)'
< 1306005554 7770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: join (/= 0)
< 1306005562 200110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus
< 1306005569 746799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1306005597 872203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the UK, the police generally use axes for raids rather than guns
< 1306005607 580746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the UK police is axe crazy, check
< 1306005621 431307 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1306005624 74100 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't ais here
< 1306005626 471421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a -> b) -> (a,a) -> (b,b)
< 1306005626 552486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.Monad (><) :: (a -> b) -> (c -> d) -> (a, c) -> (b, d)
< 1306005626 633641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.Monad mapSnd :: (a -> b) -> (c, a) -> (c, b)
< 1306005626 633731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.Monad mapFst :: (a -> b) -> (a, c) -> (b, c)
< 1306005630 328004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1306005632 40532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan :(
< 1306005634 90194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed
< 1306005638 993504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a -> b) -> a -> a -> (b,b)
< 1306005639 133143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.BufferType buf_span :: BufferOp a -> (Char -> Bool) -> a -> (a, a)
< 1306005650 201221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle (a -> b) -> (b -> b -> c) -> a -> a -> c
< 1306005650 345928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function on :: (b -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> a -> c
< 1306005650 427859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data gmapQr :: Data a => (r' -> r -> r) -> r -> (d -> r') -> a -> r
< 1306005650 427926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data gmapQl :: Data a => (r -> r' -> r) -> r -> (d -> r') -> a -> r
< 1306005654 187632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join (***)
< 1306005654 847460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a (b, b) (c, c)
< 1306005656 975461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come ON
< 1306005664 948944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm
< 1306005673 952152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically trying to make this work:
< 1306005676 551556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fpRun _ A = binary (curry (enumValue . uncurry (&&) . both (/= 0)))
< 1306005677 55071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1306005768 539099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl curry (enumValue . uncurry (&&) . both (/= 0))
< 1306005768 620947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry (\ d -> enumValue (uncurry (&&) (both (\ a -> a /= 0) d)))
< 1306005790 22203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf @unpl doesn't handle *curry
< 1306005804 947992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry (\a b -> enumValue (a/=0 and b/=0))
< 1306005807 194015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1306005809 65599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary (\a b -> enumValue (a/=0 and b/=0))
< 1306005810 348501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it is
< 1306005818 844853 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1306005881 794560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \enumValue -> ((enumValue .) . (&&)) `on` (/=)
< 1306005882 468525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Bool'
< 1306005882 550295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `a -> Bool'
< 1306005882 550473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `on', namely `(/=)'
< 1306005888 548834 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1306005894 645238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306005909 378770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1306005912 428263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \enumValue -> ((enumValue .) . (&&)) `on` (/=0)
< 1306005913 101293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall c a. (Num a) => (Bool -> c) -> a -> a -> c
< 1306005952 544049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's wrong
< 1306005969 735242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that's right
< 1306006008 819857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean fromEnum for enumValue there?
< 1306006084 641421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both
< 1306006085 266213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `both'
< 1306006112 871067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *CHIRP*
< 1306006190 823764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh hi
< 1306006197 715627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumValue is a function I wrote
< 1306006205 215227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumValue :: (Enum a) => a -> Value
< 1306006205 296685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumValue = fromIntegral . fromEnum
< 1306006220 619772 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway on (&&) is your both, i assume
< 1306006278 96834 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except curried
< 1306006300 708171 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should make it even easier to use there
< 1306006308 423428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t on (&&)
< 1306006308 975622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> Bool) -> a -> a -> Bool
< 1306006326 847292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait
< 1306006342 107249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes more
< 1306006357 552209 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t on (,)
< 1306006358 184670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. (a -> b) -> a -> a -> (b, b)
< 1306006363 293988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t on (&&) (/= 0)
< 1306006363 944857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> a -> Bool
< 1306006369 795581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> on (&&) (/= 0) 9 9
< 1306006370 338974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1306006372 8316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> on (&&) (/= 0) 9 0
< 1306006372 560233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1306006377 913120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect[exclamation mark[
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< 1306006401 888829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fpRun _ A = binary (enumValue . on (&&) (/= 0))
< 1306006403 261811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle on
< 1306006403 343859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function on :: (b -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> a -> c
< 1306006403 445913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ OneLineMode :: Mode
< 1306006403 527709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Parsec.Char oneOf :: Stream s m Char => [Char] -> ParsecT s u m Char
< 1306006406 48918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget where it is
< 1306006406 925989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there
< 1306006421 68110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Value -> Value'
< 1306006421 243018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `GHC.Int.Int32'
< 1306006421 325754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: b0 -> Value -> Value
< 1306006421 325927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: b0 -> Value
< 1306006421 326037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `(.)', namely `enumValue'
< 1306006422 98639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `binary', namely
< 1306006424 223606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `(enumValue . on (&&) (/= 0))'
< 1306006426 63298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huuuh
< 1306006433 316865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i did that above, you need more .
< 1306006446 235068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1306006449 346593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1306006501 580008 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you might not need all the parentheses
< 1306006532 522780 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \enumValue -> (enumValue .) . (&&) `on` (/=0)
< 1306006533 59791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall c a. (Num a) => (Bool -> c) -> a -> a -> c
< 1306006569 527827 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works the same because of on's fundamental property (parametricity?)
< 1306006622 556529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, binary $ ...  >:)
< 1306006659 488324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might want to use ?enumValue btw
< 1306006662 755774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid the lambda
< 1306006666 901116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1306006758 581567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t enumValue
< 1306006759 375480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `enumValue'
< 1306006767 936868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1306007578 906240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's official, I can't hear the letter "y"
< 1306007615 2171 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus far, two names beginning with Y, when I only heard them and didn't have them spelled out, I mentally replaced the Y with something else
< 1306007627 940286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y not?
< 1306007725 9071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what about ynols?
< 1306007883 28461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sometimes I feel like Haskell needs a better language for expressing point-free things
< 1306007884 93598 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL AWKWARD
< 1306007889 980288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((f .) . g) is especially ugly
< 1306007898 155368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise you can define :. or whatever, but...
< 1306007899 295084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what
< 1306007904 350854 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking to a guy who just broke up with a girl about that I like that girl
< 1306007915 933755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1306007945 93147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ would you please romancefail in private like polite people do.
< 1306008136 497671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Any comment re: P in FIXP?
< 1306008184 421979 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you cannot P, then you should FIX it.
< 1306008195 808773 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope
< 1306008223 773671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well it's just that I'm fairly sure it's meant to take a multiplied integer but it doesn't.
< 1306008241 231591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As specified it's like multiplying by three, but inaccurate.
< 1306008303 333720 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1306008362 630938 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-246.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306008374 449097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just implement it as specced and watch Mycology complain at me for it :)
< 1306008483 118381 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306009139 290306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw is "f ~(x,y) = ..." equivalent to "f xy = let x = fst xy; y = snd xy in ..."?
< 1306009144 316194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never really looked at irrefutable patterns
< 1306009161 687467 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306009161 769416 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-188.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1306009161 769551 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306009271 48278 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes i think so
< 1306009286 829939 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is ever "equivalent" in haskell, things are just different in ways more subtle than you can be arsed discerning between
< 1306009320 82207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm sorry but that's just wrong, as haskell is _defined_ by a lot of desugaring of such stuff
< 1306009395 705529 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get to the actual definitions without giving up first
< 1306009397 345842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the definitions of pattern matching in case expressions is basic and other pattern matches are desugared to that
< 1306009404 720783 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1306009462 556061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that part ignores typing
< 1306009509 858566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the smallest practical "core" language is for a lazy functional language
< 1306009533 67683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could take a look at ghc core i guess
< 1306009536 363185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CPS form + arbitrary tuple construction + arbitrary tuple casing might be it... if you have no types
< 1306009549 490086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except you'd have trouble distinguishing two constructors with the same arity
< 1306009555 51750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the constructor id could be the first element of the tuple
< 1306009555 845723 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find out, do let me know - jonguilexiphonaugh wants a small lazy functional core language
< 1306009633 458341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: unsigned machine words + function calls with a single argument (just a variable name or tuple literals) plus N continuation lambdas taking one argument + tuple construction of arbitrary size + untyped case on tuples?
< 1306009654 420521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, plus some way of distinguishing integers from tuples in case
< 1306009672 682377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anything that calls a function passed to it -- i.e. higher order -- gets desugared into a sort of continuation thing
< 1306009677 18903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1306009691 634012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if b (\() -> ...) (\() -> ...)
< 1306009694 61332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last two are continuations there
< 1306009696 870120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if if is defined as
< 1306009701 758918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if True f _ = f ()
< 1306009704 890915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if False _ g = g ()
< 1306009708 89457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you don't need the () I guess
< 1306009708 640172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306009713 266251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe continuatinos can take zero args too
< 1306009727 999732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um in my mind continuations and laziness are pretty much opposite things - continuations essentially force monadic programming
< 1306009738 904769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well CPS is just equivalent to SSA.
< 1306009746 195346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd still do all the thunks
< 1306009754 540536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306009762 316400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just call the continuation immediately after deciding /which/ continuation
< 1306009770 78906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, then, "if _|_ ..." would act "strict"
< 1306009773 452629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because expressions involving it would diverge
< 1306009773 780570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306009791 247104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't really want pure lambda calculus or anything
< 1306009796 713731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's not very friendly to compilation :)
< 1306009818 878869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh your idea is to get something _less_ than lambda calculus?
< 1306009861 86689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1306009916 331941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ideally the thunks would become explicit too...
< 1306009924 175440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd just make it a strict language I suppose
< 1306009926 53360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather naff
< 1306009957 873440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But yeah, a more restricted form than the lambda-calculus-with-data is desirable IMHO, because the lambda calculus isn't very conducive to optimisation /or/ compilation into machine code.
< 1306009973 305606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC-with-data can be an intermediate step ofc
< 1306010022 711605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what /is/ jogongiofdngodfngfg anyway?
< 1306010027 848517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the best name for anything ever
< 1306010055 295662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official programming language of north korea, i assume
< 1306010109 907283 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, Kim Jong Il Exi Pho Naugh
< 1306010117 568882 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :named after kim jonguilexiphonaugh il
< 1306010120 281486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306010120 476586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here good at Dungeons and Dragons rules?
< 1306010122 541581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, what is it :)
< 1306010124 161646 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...darnit
< 1306010140 486933 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not going to tell until it has an implementation
< 1306010155 979768 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you'll just have to wait for zzo38 :D
< 1306010222 379822 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case it never gets implemented :P
< 1306010267 534376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, uuuugh
< 1306010273 532866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ANYONE ELSE?
< 1306010324 185409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: aw come on :D
< 1306010332 886179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: just a SLIVER of info?
< 1306010497 698348 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I've pretty much described exactly what I was aiming for at some earlier time
< 1306010503 380187 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :around the time the name got donated
< 1306010509 147903 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or slightly before then
< 1306010616 592287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh come on :D
< 1306010857 300112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1306011400 74813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :(
< 1306011471 432687 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Is
< 1306011472 610009 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will be AFK soon
< 1306011476 886908 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trolling the mall >.>
< 1306011484 838259 :Is!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :ls
< 1306011503 986665 :ls!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin
< 1306011522 182951 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: trolleying the mall? :>
< 1306011537 171305 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to see if any May 21st believers are there
< 1306011544 35013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but worth a shot
< 1306011586 267374 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pun, btw
< 1306011616 885778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they all mysteriously disappeared
< 1306012733 597432 :olsner!~salparot@90-224-62-130-no50.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: olsner
< 1306013449 506149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : no they all mysteriously disappeared <-- XD
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< 1306015649 362851 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man what a crappy rapture
< 1306015954 84063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfq
< 1306016238 171344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, found out the "official" explanation yet?
< 1306016299 486412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1306016304 212189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
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< 1306017545 587891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:00:35:  you can't get infinite precision generalised floating point
< 1306017545 669055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:00:40:  you can get infinite precision rationals
< 1306017545 669231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:00:50:  and arbitrarily high precision floating point, that's what a bigfloat is
< 1306017548 871877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: ais, LYING.
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< 1306018045 864386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:09:59:  ehird____, well yes. But this would be an interesting new file sharing idea. Just share offset in pi
< 1306018046 11101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:10:02:  :P
< 1306018046 173127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:10:10:  compression too
< 1306018056 538855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: Vorpal doesn't understand information theory.
< 1306018138 107910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just found myself defining your "both" function
< 1306018150 693651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1306018154 44601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i stole that name from Deewiant
< 1306018158 200786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what are you writing?
< 1306018168 115720 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did
< 1306018202 622594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm modifying my look and say code so it can treat both a left and a right part of the sequence (either of which may be infinite)
< 1306018220 970448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wanted to apply an abbreviation function to both sides
< 1306018232 392695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are a tuple (left, right))
< 1306018239 407026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Those RCS Windows fingerprints -- are they high-level or low-level bindings? I doubt you know, but :P
< 1306018246 194197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're high-level I have this horrible urge to implement them portably.
< 1306018260 372499 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIND?
< 1306018277 403523 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're a one-to-one mapping to some X11 stuff but still fairly high-level
< 1306018287 133871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i abbreviate "IIIIIVVIIVIV" to "5_2 1 ")
< 1306018777 451675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: WIND, yeah.
< 1306018796 638563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I just mean in the sense of "they're not 'execute arbitrary winthirtytwo function', right?")
< 1306018810 167981 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: X11, not win32
< 1306018816 502227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, they're not, AFAICT
< 1306018981 460370 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306019615 974924 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306021554 799408 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's watch a guy be wrong about the rapture http://www.livestream.com/familybibleministry
< 1306021650 974142 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats he saying
< 1306021660 340075 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell
< 1306021678 75733 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's rambling at this point
< 1306021683 860369 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'he will not come until all of his people are saved'
< 1306021691 439991 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'this is the day of salvation, it's still here!'
< 1306021695 84377 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao voice raising
< 1306021703 600681 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the one that opens up the heart! he's the one that shuts the heart!
< 1306021755 730543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a responsible heart surgeon!
< 1306022483 434755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:09:59:  ehird____, well yes. But this would be an interesting new file sharing idea. Just share offset in pi
< 1306022483 567825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:10:02:  :P
< 1306022483 649182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:10:10:  compression too
< 1306022483 649360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pictured: Vorpal doesn't understand information theory.
< 1306022487 226854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a joke
< 1306022512 560999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: Vorpal doesn't understand jokes.
< 1306022594 795061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, possibly
< 1306022637 693466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, anyway did you ever found the official reason
< 1306022639 407006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1306022641 318113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :find*
< 1306022762 107199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official reason for what?
< 1306022967 675174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, for lack of rapture
< 1306022995 245307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm volcano eruption
< 1306023011 978991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, where?
< 1306023021 754194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland
< 1306023049 906518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news: dog bites man.
< 1306023053 158350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no need to worry, this one has a completely pronouncable name
< 1306023068 804984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the name
< 1306023132 595252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grimsvotn.
< 1306023132 930349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"including the main east-west road. " <-- this (from bbc) says something about the size of iceland
< 1306023146 500813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306023152 513452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes easy to pronounce
< 1306023158 382860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vötn
< 1306023176 580098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah even easier
< 1306023186 311931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's apparently under the Vatnajokull glacier, which is getting towards Ejafjallajokull levels.
< 1306023203 596055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, jökull*
< 1306023213 253766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yesyesyes.
< 1306023213 606699 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyjaf*
< 1306023220 769191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that too
< 1306023230 254626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, I was typing it quickly.
< 1306023247 321876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it makes a HUGE difference. Please transcribe it properly if you are not going to use the proper letters
< 1306023277 724020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, it doesn't make a HUGE difference.
< 1306023282 989740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes it does
< 1306023283 429397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I goddamn meant.
< 1306023302 840032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh if I hadn't it would have been an ENORMOUS difference
< 1306023302 922101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Vorpal has alphabet insecurity
< 1306023305 165745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't that
< 1306023308 331651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just HUGE
< 1306023311 932314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, XD
< 1306023315 915962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, it's minuscule.
< 1306023324 333468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not at all
< 1306023333 519765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a misspelling, not a fundamental change.
< 1306023335 559227 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306023344 3753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, at least it is a large difference, possibly even LARGE
< 1306023355 168893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nobody gives a shit, stfu
< 1306023381 639781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's the same as advice vs. advise.
< 1306023417 815940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an even huger difference there: they are actually different words, but noöne actually *cares* if you confuse them because it's always clear from context.
< 1306023647 649351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, it's the same as advice vs. advise.
< 1306023654 674752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is larger indeed
< 1306023676 108908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, though it can be larger than that in Nordic languages
< 1306023688 370133 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1306023712 804015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :länstrafiken ~ county traffic (company that operate buses). lanstrafiken ~ lance traffic
< 1306023715 234776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ^
< 1306023736 230050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't hold a candle to English.
< 1306023742 448303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh?
< 1306023746 228311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider tear vs. tear, or reading vs. Reading.
< 1306023767 947156 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, in the first case you spelled both the same way...
< 1306023771 137009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the latter is a place name and UK place names are notorious for their unpronounceability.
< 1306023777 487682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, exactly.
< 1306023786 842001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is pronounced "teer", the other "tehr".
< 1306023802 428885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you knew that?
< 1306023805 77613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which is an issue, even a related one, but a slightly different one
< 1306023811 376882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right you meant that one
< 1306023835 120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce Reading?
< 1306023846 942126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redding.
< 1306023883 976204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306023885 868932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other amusing pronunciations are Worcester and Berkely.
< 1306023896 982074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wooster and Barkly, respectively.)
< 1306023918 403865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1306023932 994451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I always wondered about Worcester
< 1306023934 996005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Gloucester (Gloster).
< 1306023994 171604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I presume these are due to changes in spelling / pronunciation over time?
< 1306024023 466835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. pikhq_ probably knows details since he's all about random linguistic stuff
< 1306024086 128905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesah
< 1306024088 55636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah*
< 1306024098 290950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the transliterated Gaelic and Irish, like Siobhan (Sheevohn).
< 1306024166 988231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where is that? Wales?
< 1306024175 200842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland.
< 1306024177 396146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306024184 49084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I need to sleep, night
< 1306024506 502620 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 TOPIC #esoteric :let's put this into perspective. you put up with the puppet prostate because you love of wizards. -oscar wilde | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1306024555 737318 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That livestream sure is confusing.
< 1306024573 877958 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wilde, always putting the finger on the relevant point
< 1306024584 143127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his
< 1306024598 788082 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angelanicole: he has his reasons for thinking today it will happen but I still believe only GOD knows
< 1306024626 746146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesusIsCumming: VOTE FOR HOPE! VOTE FOR A RAPTURE OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY! GINGRICH 2012!
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< 1306024839 855472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"May 21 is not over all over the Earth. When the whole Earth gets to May 22, then we might see things differently."
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< 1306025034 131614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Fqzmn.png
< 1306025044 779366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Reddit, you have reached a new low.
< 1306025052 422872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that you can link to comments, right?
< 1306025115 881293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments can be deleted
< 1306025140 178720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :While imgur is writ fast in stone for all eternity?
< 1306025329 307377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but the person who can delete the imgur picture is presumably the person who posted the link
< 1306025350 558317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while any single one of the commenters could be a jerk and delete their comment
< 1306025350 930334 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306025398 383491 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders if there is a DeletesAllHisComments novelty account
< 1306025452 807030 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not under that name
< 1306025470 638527 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world had ended, who is still alive?
< 1306025492 662915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, honestly, Rapture != end of the world.
< 1306025494 710166 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking...
< 1306025502 816312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that too
< 1306025523 358307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to that recent prophecy, the end would be five months later iirc
< 1306025537 15336 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know. Its just when all the people go to heaven and the world ends a few months later or something like that
< 1306025540 521054 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly ignored it
< 1306025610 419728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine OCD hell.  it's indistinguishable from heaven for a normal person, but every little detail is _slightly_ wrong
< 1306025613 738943 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: well there were some earthquakes and two hundred million christians evaporated
< 1306025626 226112 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Insert joke-killing clarification about the nature of OCD here
< 1306025654 97267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you just earned yourself a reservation there, kiddo
< 1306025672 865836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it should be CDO. Sorted alphabetically.
< 1306025729 434777 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha
< 1306025729 690786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it OCPD that is the light version
< 1306025748 653214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does that stand for?
< 1306025753 311934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: P=personality
< 1306025756 151362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306025762 583060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think OCPD and OCD are unrelated disorders that are merely "similar"
< 1306025800 132162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall there was a quip about the difference
< 1306025866 166349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, it should be CDO. Sorted alphabetically.
< 1306025894 414841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes?
< 1306025897 30669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured here: Vorpal is only capable of copying and pasting done-to-death-jokes when he engages in any form of legitimate humour.
< 1306025905 972396 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pictured here: Vorpal is only capable of copying and pasting done-to-death-jokes when he engages in any form of legitimate humour.
< 1306025908 71642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictured: A caption.
< 1306025926 323774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wait a second. I thought of that one now. Though I guess someone else might have done it before
< 1306025951 165751 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... are actually bad enough at humour to reinvent that independently?
< 1306025963 460765 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a loaf of pre-sliced white bread.
< 1306025981 881263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well, variable laughed above. So maybe it is you and Phantom_Hoover who are the issue here
< 1306026010 57410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously
< 1306026035 649463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I mean, you two are the only people I know who seem to react that way to my humour.
< 1306026054 644571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some else in this channel to some lesser degree
< 1306026059 871389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsewhere, none
< 1306026068 861845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's their OCPD, surely
< 1306026080 760839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ...
< 1306026091 130876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away cackling
< 1306026133 734486 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you considered that the only people who can stand you are the ones who have no sense of humour :)
< 1306026154 991131 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm pretty sure that joke has been done before in this channel, while discussing the same subject
< 1306026157 563248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that is a possible hypothesis yes
< 1306026174 327275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, possibly. I don't read everything in here.
< 1306026202 180184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is also possible that you have, but have forgotten it.  makes it _so_ much easier to reinvent things, i assume
< 1306026210 492431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think the CDO one was funny. But now it has been overanalysed.
< 1306026214 911973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a name for that phenomenon
< 1306026221 390406 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've forgotten it, so let's call it the Hird phenomenon
< 1306026239 434600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, OCD? yes
< 1306026240 893224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1306026267 513139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :compulsif disordre obsessif
< 1306026267 880300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what oerjan said.
< 1306026365 174477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, forgetting things? Amnesia?
< 1306026387 952701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, FFS
< 1306026394 631048 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearing something, forgetting it, then thinking it's your own invention
< 1306026398 779754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1306026409 496514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, no clue what that is
< 1306026414 56751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetfulness forgetfulness syndrome
< 1306026431 323976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, lets invent a word for it!
< 1306026433 307863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then google it
< 1306026443 850000 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but i've forgotten it, so let's call it the Hird phenomenon
< 1306026452 395282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1306026488 836285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I was trying to joke about that we would hit the right name if we tried to invent it
< 1306026513 248762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google corrects it to third phenomenon, it seems
< 1306026518 432778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306026579 153703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From The Culture of Matter to the Matter of Culture"
< 1306026612 769778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the catter of multure
< 1306026622 967881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how elliottish
< 1306026699 207852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a feminist text by myra hird
< 1306026715 27582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paywalled
< 1306026729 172488 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat ho is a bitch and a whore
< 1306026731 184141 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry what
< 1306026731 608486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "From The Culture of Matter to the Matter of Culture"
< 1306026737 61905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that book.
< 1306026738 717634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit long.
< 1306026756 833308 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_%28novel%29
< 1306026760 153734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS
< 1306026786 341723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FIND THE GROWTH OF THE SECONDARY PLOT AND DIVERSION FROM THE APPARENT PRIMARY ONE MASTERFUL
< 1306026808 677437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: damn that nestworld was cool.
< 1306026846 70604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1306026915 280032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid sleeping idiot.
< 1306026917 621808 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what.
< 1306026953 622765 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY DOES ANYONE WANT TO PLAY W:A I'M BORED
< 1306027147 974475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1306027158 179029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1306027233 721624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY NOT
< 1306027279 509549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously oerjan plays wa
< 1306027586 897678 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god, someone wants me to make a Facebook wall-post download bot..
< 1306027591 602319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1306027596 28252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say no? :P
< 1306027603 913839 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but they might pay me. :)
< 1306027607 999339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh download
< 1306027611 281314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said like spambot :D
< 1306027611 611256 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like... that just sounds awful.
< 1306027636 123100 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a bunch of wall posts they want to download off of their Facebook page. I'm pretty sure that requires some Javascript execution, but I'm not certain.
< 1306027662 254535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use one of the browser automation toolkits?
< 1306027674 403750 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, just a bookmarklet of some sort
< 1306027683 304796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that redirects to a data: URI of an HTML page with all the downloaded posts
< 1306027688 147514 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to click links w/ JS :)
< 1306027696 22747 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that it'd just be some jquery to select the elements
< 1306027703 412414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the path of least resistance, anyway
< 1306027726 16952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... jquery, or browser automation, or bookmarklet... got it.
< 1306027745 292394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to try rolling my own, but then I viewed page source for a Facebook page. The horror.
< 1306027752 343344 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: jquery bookmarklet
< 1306027755 129046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a combined suggestion
< 1306027758 464671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah..
< 1306027772 100657 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to click a "more" link with jquery, easy to find all wall posts on the page with jquery
< 1306027777 969225 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's just building an html result page and using a data: uri
< 1306027785 405127 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all login etc. is handled for you by the user
< 1306027796 868133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  ah, yes using Javascript to traverse the DOM is probably the best solution, aside from an automation plugin of some kind.
< 1306027840 773663 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. Thank you for the suggestion. :)
< 1306027863 163051 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you'll still need to click all the "more" links first though, since there's a limited number per page :)
< 1306027871 349396 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
< 1306027915 625712 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: didn't you say jquery could handle that though?
< 1306027925 637896 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, jquery just makes the dom manipulation a bit less tedious
< 1306027930 486415 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1306027939 12986 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clicking a link and waiting for more elements to appear is certainly dom manipulation :)
< 1306027944 19665 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as long as I can find the right element then I can "click" on it.
< 1306028025 268163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  so this would just be a standalone script that just loads a DOM and then uses jquery with it?
< 1306028038 584154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, just make it a bookmarklet (javascript: URI)
< 1306028043 98585 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to run on the page
< 1306028043 315527 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah
< 1306028047 887309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works.
< 1306028058 6179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...though, that will be a massive URI. :P
< 1306028080 731445 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah; minify the javascript first :P
< 1306028095 60124 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The data: URI result pages will be massive too.
< 1306028097 659927 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Firefox can cope with that.
< 1306028101 334766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they use IE, kill yourself.
< 1306028107 987539 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1306028116 765952 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome should be fine too I imagine
< 1306028120 486373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1306028135 720467 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does minification work exactly?
< 1306028137 879255 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic?
< 1306028148 495277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just renames variables, does some minor code compression, things like that
< 1306028154 528754 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay.
< 1306028164 737998 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removes whitespace :P
< 1306028165 97987 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306028242 342190 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  okay, so what if they don't want a result page, but instead want all of the files in a directory? I could just save the result page right?
< 1306028257 387957 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is this for them to use directly, or do they just want the end result?
< 1306028262 849596 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming they're not going to know how that works, so I'll probably have to do it for them)
< 1306028272 189157 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you could just Ctrl+S it and zip it up.
< 1306028275 921394 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they just want the end result.
< 1306028279 90636 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no need for zipping, it'll be one file.
< 1306028291 419290 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to include the Facebook CSS and have their profile image there to make it look more like the "real thing".
< 1306028299 161974 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: stupid question, actually. I know what I'll do.
< 1306028316 556477 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I take it you're not archiving comments and the like too?
< 1306028319 35064 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a pain
< 1306028320 940119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  nah I don't think they care, but that would be super fancy.
< 1306028340 388695 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'll you do :P
< 1306028340 895365 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  no from my understanding it's just particular things they've linked or uploaded or... something.
< 1306028349 21714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows.
< 1306028358 542984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who use Facebook are weird. :p
< 1306028359 652058 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'll need to talk to the person in question.
< 1306028397 511541 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God W:A is a good game.
< 1306028409 323965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they apparently want to make a book out of something.. so... maybe they have a bunch of "notes"? That would make things easier.
< 1306028417 936394 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound weird.
< 1306028421 223879 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE EVERYONE WHO USES FACEBOOK
< 1306028438 504714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: To be honest, you could even just click the more link a bunch of times manually and then Ctrl+S their Facebook page :-)
< 1306028451 14580 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, then do some good old find.
< 1306028466 934560 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but God, I'd have to click that at least 100 times.
< 1306028545 450324 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god just place the fucking girder jesus
< 1306028575 81880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, talk to you later.
< 1306028656 623255 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, CakeProphet.
< 1306028903 877433 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
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< 1306030065 566638 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wanna play w:a
< 1306030069 696538 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1306030216 197636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306030362 925790 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty
< 1306030540 518144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a qwerty morning to you too
< 1306030602 671634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is SO UNSURE about playing Worms
< 1306030653 105988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :squirming around, is he?
< 1306030752 833544 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:29:  Apologies for the crudeness, but I just misread Deewiant's comment as "combinatorial explosion of testicles". That sounded painful.
< 1306030798 533702 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm playing with an idiot and he types in all-caps and plays terribly halp.
< 1306030810 72834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and I'd be better/
< 1306030848 533592 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well you don't type in all-caps.
< 1306030956 338537 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, can /any/ CPS core language be fully lazy? I think not, since you'd need all functions to start with "k ...", which, in CPS form, would only apply to functions that return a literal directly
< 1306031046 606832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit I accidentally /cleared
< 1306031075 67073 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you accidentally /clear and why does it matter
< 1306031130 444339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you typo / then c then l then e then a then r then enter
< 1306031213 190461 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although a cps language does have several benefits as far as efficient machine code goes... :(
< 1306031257 365751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knoweth not
< 1306031274 789032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-down-to-last-hundred-grownups,20491/
< 1306031301 964953 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're just saying "knoweth not" to get me to shut up :D
< 1306031316 745844 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ knoweth too much
< 1306031363 717091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: y/n
< 1306031368 766736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1306031371 538896 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1306031376 490739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better yet, /
< 1306031388 359586 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you just answer :p
< 1306031394 340419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1306031402 278423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with either y or n
< 1306031415 313546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ
< 1306031424 602582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it "either/or" in English is XOR?
< 1306031433 561166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OR, isn't it
< 1306031439 441487 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306031442 188751 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok but seriously y or n
< 1306031461 434416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1306031504 823267 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally :P
< 1306031509 948820 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wormnet?
< 1306031541 725211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on
< 1306031548 495894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should use a snooper instead
< 1306031552 635374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of opening W:A
< 1306031555 318769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUT Y AUT N AUT NIHIL
< 1306031558 41175 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: btw. Ben Laurie of Google has an excellent explanation of what I found to be wrong with BitCoin
< 1306031558 154762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh can' t host that way
< 1306031581 254218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You also can't play that way.
< 1306031583 880228 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a while ago I mentioned disliking it but didn't have time to defend myself. BenL is doing a great job IMHO
< 1306031594 429119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not sure what compelled you to consider that.
< 1306031598 65928 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306031627 610288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I haven't done anything with BitCoin for quite a while; maybe I'll check it out later
< 1306031659 712386 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I only mention it now because when I first brought it you you disliked the fact that I didn't defend my dislike
< 1306031672 781446 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I found someone who happens to be doing the job for me ;-)
< 1306031693 683763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've created a game
< 1306031698 569185 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to host
< 1306031698 714299 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did i
< 1306031710 798242 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though we we're going to do hard tube trap
< 1306031716 357815 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were we ok
< 1306031717 945779 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joinmejoinme
< 1306031777 719247 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'or, not both' is the shortest unambiguous XOR I can think of
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< 1306031786 496598 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'exactly one of'
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< 1306037111 695508 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth to elliott_
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< 1306037150 490438 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what
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< 1306037588 195143 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey i need some more curryrelated help ;D
< 1306037594 992087 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixp :: (Double -> Double -> Double) -> Shiro ()
< 1306037595 150965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixp f = binary (floor . (*10000) . f . (/10000) . fromIntegral)
< 1306037597 943228 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/both/ values have to be divided
< 1306037600 338503 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f takes two arguments
< 1306037601 530535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo
< 1306037680 502464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know making things pointfree is much easier for me if i can start with a correct version which is _not_ pointfree
< 1306037718 924387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :than from a broken pointfree version
< 1306037747 709203 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\a b -> floor (10000 * f ((fromIntegral a)/10000) (same shit for b)))))))))
< 1306037802 447852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1306037891 946414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((floor . (*10000)) .) . (?f `on` ((/10000) . fromIntegral))
< 1306037892 646572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a a1 a2. (RealFrac a, Integral b, ?f::a1 -> a1 -> a, Fractional a1, Integral a2) => a2 -> a2 -> b
< 1306037947 117046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks promising
< 1306037993 372865 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ugly :(
< 1306038007 406206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hm
< 1306038017 670096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 `on`)
< 1306038018 359173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `Data.Function.on' [infixl 0] of a section
< 1306038018 441281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have lowe...
< 1306038026 458613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1306038043 71106 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((floor . (*10000)) .) . ?f `on` ((/10000) . fromIntegral)
< 1306038043 665835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a a1 a2. (RealFrac a, Integral b, ?f::a1 -> a1 -> a, Fractional a1, Integral a2) => a2 -> a2 -> b
< 1306038050 915207 :AerobicRobot!~Aerobic@adsl-69-230-196-9.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306038089 130984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that scares me :D
< 1306038108 221251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, removing the parentheses?
< 1306038119 102361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1306038243 245729 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1306038349 975278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn
< 1306038436 932345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
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< 1306038487 62851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess that version is ok :P
< 1306038512 216037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, should we quit?
< 1306038522 86992 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep soon
< 1306038543 740736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait
< 1306038547 862411 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i actualyl only need an unary version
< 1306038572 253817 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B	(n -- arccos(b))
< 1306038574 113837 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the error :D
< 1306038601 595537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -- ?
< 1306038704 314849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1306038710 725099 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stack thing
< 1306038711 983129 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not haskell
< 1306038745 21594 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiro: Negative exponent
< 1306038745 236579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1306038745 988435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's with this being cryptic lately :P
< 1306038749 273809 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you catch "error"s
< 1306038752 938874 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um im just lazy and tired
< 1306038770 137771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using Control.Exception, i think
< 1306038788 441384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not IOExceptions, right?
< 1306038792 198107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1306038835 642586 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind are they ;D
< 1306038848 925493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i look like i've ever used them...
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< 1306038956 965953 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously
< 1306039109 869938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd imagine ErrorCall would be related
< 1306039160 289667 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i'll bug you about core forms instead, before i go to bed
< 1306039280 778192 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey oerjan
< 1306039282 389003 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: core forms
< 1306039292 595173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that is
< 1306039303 156336 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like um core language things
< 1306039305 100994 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1306039306 537061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cps won't work
< 1306039312 564527 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306039314 114655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless
< 1306039393 890044 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f x = g (ha x) (hb x)) --> f = \x|k. k (\|k. ha x (\hax. k ...........))
< 1306039394 828794 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dojghgd
< 1306039396 199641 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work
< 1306039444 15442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that some strange hybrid of lambda and ski calculus
< 1306039536 622535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, | was denoting a continuation argument
< 1306039549 113363 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that you could do CPS if you just returned /immediately/ with a thunk
< 1306039557 18821 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that thunk would then do one CPS-step when called, and return another thunk, etc.
< 1306039564 704658 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that actually just sounds stupid in retrospect.
< 1306039685 658472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan should i go to// bed
< 1306039730 428100 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz what?
< 1306039768 378356 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i feel like oerjan doesn't take these conversations seriously.
< 1306039806 769168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when tired
< 1306039828 394693 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you just woken up or something
< 1306039829 744348 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean me
< 1306039839 630368 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm about to sleep soon
< 1306040196 341008 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306040200 185853 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats kind of a weird idea, maybe i should too?
< 1306040203 74605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1306040205 252727 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound sstupid
< 1306040216 101531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan
< 1306040220 816229 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy rapture
< 1306040222 666029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anniversary
< 1306040226 460137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raptureversary
< 1306040277 466352 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sappy capture
< 1306040297 734931 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crapture
< 1306040356 728799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Saturday morning, Espinoza, 60, received a phone call from her father, Harold Camping, the 89-year-old Oakland preacher who has spent some $100 million — and countless hours on his radio and TV show — announcing May 21 as Judgment Day. "He just said, 'I'm a little bewildered that it didn't happen, but it's still May 21 [in the United States],'" Espinoza said, standing in the doorway of her Alameda home. "It's going to be May 21 from now until m
< 1306040356 960452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnight."
< 1306040359 790400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he actually believed it
< 1306040397 827384 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tell Vorpal http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rapture-20110522,0,5118540.story
< 1306040397 908688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1306040471 146696 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what time is it over there in new zealand dude??
< 1306040474 640522 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent you guys like upsdie down
< 1306040522 795712 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umop ap!sdn ueaw noh
< 1306040549 369533 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hon waeu nds pa domu
< 1306040552 108160 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that maori
< 1306040572 108302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aqhew
< 1306040597 316145 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehqa
< 1306040607 564456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- pooj
< 1306040624 518300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joop yourself
< 1306042524 431543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT
< 1306042543 784215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at a Homestruck video on YouTube (stupid I know)
< 1306042557 5997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just saw a major spoiler in the thumbnail of another video
< 1306042618 15054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Homestruck" lol
< 1306043700 90223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
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< 1306044000 240924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took 500 mg Tylenol.
< 1306044054 68631 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1306044560 794968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for me that I write that, not you
< 1306044961 699046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Salvation War sounds fun
< 1306045163 219780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reviews on TV Tropes aren't that great
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< 1306048724 846292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some apocalypse.
< 1306048838 60482 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apocaplyse isn't until october, remember?
< 1306048855 750300 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, just the *rapture*.
< 1306048871 718547 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *arguably* there's still 4 hours 40 minutes left for it to happen.
< 1306048887 674288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(May 22, 2011 is 4 hours away in UTC-12)
< 1306048909 562423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no human habitations are in UTC-12)
< 1306048924 759175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on being asleep for that
< 1306048951 297044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Rapture-but-not-May-21st believing friend is still here
< 1306048983 195883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What evidence does your friend have for the idea of the rapture?
< 1306048993 172362 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone still believe in rapture yesterday
< 1306048994 697807 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond citing the Bible, which is a load of bullshit.
< 1306049014 952849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Harold Camping still has a few more hours until he can give up on it.
< 1306049040 107969 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: May 21 has yet to end in a handful of time zones.
< 1306049054 629586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harold Camping has yet to be heard from
< 1306049055 564610 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapture happened and I'm just dreaming
< 1306049163 472178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap
< 1306049173 27442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HC doesn't get any money from me listening to the station, does he?
< 1306049221 697131 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you listening to the station
< 1306049260 744414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, they run on donations.
< 1306049272 536616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you don't hand them money, you're good.
< 1306049288 107049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, good
< 1306049311 938653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to unspoil myself from Homestuck
< 1306049710 184001 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/May_22,_2011 :D
< 1306050799 843879 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/hgsvd/the_creepiest_motherson_relationship_on_youtube/ I wanted to sleep. Now I doubt I will. Fuuuck.
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< 1306050911 6507 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll never sleep again
< 1306051001 109729 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode: 39846 channels and nothing on
< 1306051019 529668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897, they've all been taken in the Rapture. We're the only ones left.
< 1306051105 191215 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0great
< 1306051118 54856 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-46-98.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to inhabit the prez suite at the local Hilton
< 1306051191 641579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Provides evidence from archaeology, [...], and even the Bible itself!" -- on how to know the Bible is true
< 1306051285 65726 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they're honest about it: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/epic-fail-photos-oddly-specific-keeping-pulling-that-wool.jpg
< 1306051333 427483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Heck, not even one of the most memorable and publicised events in the Old Testament has any evidence for it...
< 1306051340 535940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There is literally no evidence of the Exodus.
< 1306051377 559880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Christians, that probably doesn't seem like *that* huge of a deal (a bit upsetting, but not earth-shattering).
< 1306051400 195340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading something suggesting that ancestors of the Jews were oppressors in Egypt, and were pushed out?
< 1306051413 258681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to Jews, Exodus not being real would be... u
< 1306051414 610541 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Jews, that's like saying "Yeah, sorry, there's no evidence of the Holocaust. Seriously, we checked."
< 1306051448 561811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1306051495 415176 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for the veracity of the claim, of course. There's metric fucktons of evidence for the Holocaust.)
< 1306051515 325604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom: "If there is no God, who parted the Red Sea?"
< 1306051522 828603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a long time ago)
< 1306051528 520208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1306051587 617832 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since the Exodus didn't happen (near as we can tell, the Jewish people have pretty much been in Israel since they started leaving artifacts), clearly nobody did.
< 1306051603 301797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Dead people do not become perfect in every way after they die. My step-mom keeps using "Your mom would have wanted you to XYZ" to try to get me to XYZ
< 1306051626 159806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure she's wrong about what my mom would have wanted, but even if not, how does that make a difference to whether I agree with XYZ or not?
< 1306051631 405461 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some damned poor reasoning. Not to mention in *very poor taste*.
< 1306051668 629028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1306051677 372184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not exhume your mom's body and use it as a puppet? About as tasteless and macabre, IMO.
< 1306051738 141965 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, wait, some people have done similar things. Fuck. Fuck humanity so much.
< 1306051767 394966 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is necrophilia close enough
< 1306051782 376463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the Cadaver Synod, actually.
< 1306051813 220580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a pope put his predecessor on trial. By exhuming the body.
< 1306051825 981993 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm
< 1306051879 395359 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_posthumous_executions ooh
< 1306051910 650766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, Homo sapiens. You scary.
< 1306051911 903677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306051955 511621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Homo sapiens can be awesome sometimes
< 1306051979 308953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We eradicated two diseases.
< 1306051996 74266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has moments of genuine awesomeness and genuine horrificness.
< 1306052190 63073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you think you may have been exposed to smallpox, contact your health care provider immediately."
< 1306052227 965353 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I pulled that out of context
< 1306052236 714038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you think you may have been exposed to smallpox, contact your health care provider immediately. Because smallpox has been wiped out this would be very unlikely, unless you have worked with the virus in a laboratory or there has been an act of bioterrorism."
< 1306052300 588521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't contact my health care provider.
< 1306052307 596892 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd contact the CDC.
< 1306052324 777104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably the local police dispatch.
< 1306052371 607406 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite everyone you want to die to your home for a big party
< 1306052403 876525 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a small party
< 1306052404 965707 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both work
< 1306052696 430479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this is a  beautiful melody
< 1306052699 746173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no lyrics so far
< 1306052707 726389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As A Deer by Carol McClure
< 1306052718 992523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Probably a Christian song.. I'd assume
< 1306052719 781434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1306052742 464830 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly. An adaptation of the psalm, no doubt.
< 1306052854 935869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no lyrics
< 1306052876 984904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't realize there was a psalm
< 1306052958 825682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-222-55.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psalm 42.
< 1306053098 510029 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1306053437 341530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps the SAB person
< 1306053448 771365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should really just write some code to make his life easier
< 1306053456 720237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
< 1306053456 866266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Conservapedia's Conservative Bible Project, Jesus never said these words. They are a liberal coruption of the text. "This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible." 23:34
< 1306053460 461708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/by_book.html
< 1306053464 780994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in the wrong book
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< 1306054337 490775 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the skeptics annotated bible sometimes chalcs things up to be errors that aren't
< 1306054357 202156 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chalks
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< 1306055979 693794 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1306056281 739824 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajfafk
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< 1306060618 696493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, feel free to slap me
< 1306060637 65646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps Sgeo more on principle than any feelings of malice.
< 1306060637 147522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1306061193 726623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG the 2011 Lyttle Lytton results are out.
< 1306061732 164858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'“My heart medication!” slowly remembered Dwayne, but his lateness was a stark reality.'
< 1306061745 596776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mangled sentences are always good for a laugh.
< 1306061809 703098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Mongoose-to-cobra, two serpentine forms, he was my rival; are we fighting in these holes, or are we really making love?'
< 1306061812 582680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNOWS
< 1306062159 340660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The intruder attempted to break down the reinforced door with his axe, shouting phrases like “We will get our revenge!”, “Revenge!” and “Blood!”" — WP
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< 1306062412 392184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Her cheeks were rosy and so was my love — bursting with fragrance and softness."
< 1306062419 940626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metaphor slippage!
< 1306062449 396160 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha
< 1306062456 273664 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the purple prose award?
< 1306062468 441685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1306062498 781809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bulwer-Lytton is the one that rewards overtly purple prose, and is as such horrendously verbose and dreary to read.
< 1306062527 43246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Lyttle Lytton is restricted to 30 words, so the scope for purpleness is reduced vastly.
< 1306062533 729197 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaag
< 1306062593 537670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the ones that rely on language just have really weird sentence structure.
< 1306062611 484381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a category for it, but I think he dropped it.
< 1306062622 466326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'“Shame on you,” he scorns at you in anger, “Shame!”'
< 1306062624 388745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scorns!
< 1306062653 295253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scorns at Sgeo "what did you do to merit me slapping you, BtW?"
< 1306062673 438726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, also, that example was from an English textbook/
< 1306062682 467731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally glimpse at a major Homestuck spoiler
< 1306062699 260553 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a textbook, not from a student?
< 1306062708 972667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1306062714 970315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cited as a good example of imagery.
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< 1306066882 855621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, where are you now at Homestuck.
< 1306066887 236466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, which spoiler.
< 1306067365 444150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12249363
< 1306067369 148857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
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< 1306072973 318126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god my cat seems to have heard some birds outside the window.
< 1306072980 32835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the murder in his eyes.
< 1306073047 314792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's for me that I write that, not you
< 1306073059 994668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: Sgeo's personal drug diary
< 1306073413 888808 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/May_22,_2011 :D
< 1306073426 891932 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly looks like someone took a little jab, there
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< 1306074297 775605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Patashu, also, that example was from an English textbook/
< 1306074327 346768 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you performing a lyttle lytton analogue to poe's law/turing test here
< 1306074748 609367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : #esoteric: Sgeo's personal drug diary <-- I can't imagine Sgeo's father allowing him to use drugs ;P
< 1306074748 711332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1306074776 912033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1306075557 178991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the word "drug" in english includes legal pharmaceuticals
< 1306075565 126533 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, tylenol
< 1306075645 352276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the kind that sgeo's father might very well allow, being afair a medical doctor
< 1306075661 716410 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1306075732 418601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306076787 178876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait are you performing a lyttle lytton analogue to poe's law/turing test here
< 1306076804 800408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the Found category is a long-established Lyttle Lytton tradition.
< 1306077602 447496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: the word "drug" in english includes legal pharmaceuticals <-- oh right
< 1306077710 114084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aka "dödsknark"
< 1306077895 520918 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram
< 1306078293 99281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what?
< 1306078303 510671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not familiar with that expression
< 1306078333 918137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: alla sorters droger, knark och medicin är dödsknark
< 1306078336 811903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bara rent allmänt
< 1306078342 810341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, slang?
< 1306078348 19396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :japp
< 1306078351 576087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1306078376 459193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, jag umgås nog inte i sådana kretsar. :P
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< 1306080989 751205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1306080989 832683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1306081017 849942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of those are from days ago lol
< 1306081021 206654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a week even
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< 1306082087 754775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weird
< 1306082371 499393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, amusing spambot name (that just emailed me): globalfreedomreliableloanfirm
< 1306082500 966519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306082563 268691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit
< 1306082651 691334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306082725 780509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly want a loan right now, legit or not
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< 1306085440 159778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So far GNU Parallel has been focused on
< 1306085440 308031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing a single for-loop. The Pakistan release introduces ways to
< 1306085440 389033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace nested loops."
< 1306085442 774380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ADVANCED
< 1306085764 585854 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Parallel is actually fairly nice.
< 1306086101 859812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, there are two competing adblocks for chrome
< 1306086151 841175 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1306086188 499484 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are they doing the ash cloud thing *again*?
< 1306086188 581598 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use AdBlock Plus.
< 1306086212 237154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But that's just a renamed AdThwart, and the plain AdBlock is more popular.
< 1306086218 776142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, brand name and all, but still.
< 1306086258 306915 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306086280 166101 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of them can block ads in flash videos, though.
< 1306086295 135362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was recently made sort of possible.
< 1306086317 103795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly I'm pissed off at interstitials and the ads /before/ videos (the ones that pop up are annoying but not nearly as much).
< 1306086327 919925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the latter are a kind of interstitial too.
< 1306086366 563298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates
< 1306086427 139375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : What, are they doing the ash cloud thing *again*? <-- yeah it was such a hit last time!
< 1306086463 263586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any actual arguments in favour of the Plus one? :-P
< 1306086479 973482 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Eh, just use Firefox. :P
< 1306086506 581371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just stopped using Firefox yet again because it starts to freeze up terribly when you have hundreds of tabs with JS and sometimes Flash running in them.
< 1306086511 198254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks but no thanks.
< 1306086517 617832 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to fly tomorrow and back next Saturday. :/ (Tomorrow doesn't seem to be a problem yet, but who knows about Sat.)
< 1306086518 875342 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleck.
< 1306086532 259604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to where?
< 1306086566 325758 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Praguel
< 1306086570 83536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Praguel.
< 1306086570 422272 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l/./
< 1306086577 733260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWERTY user detected :P
< 1306086579 132156 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :El Praguel.
< 1306086582 45877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306086585 993123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pwaggle.
< 1306086586 282572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates
< 1306086588 74474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess no?
< 1306086590 942022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates
< 1306086592 544907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess no?
< 1306086621 350599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, no one replied, I'll try to find that textbook I have on this sort of thing
< 1306086644 163846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I mean, no one replied, I'll try to find that textbook I have on this sort of thing
< 1306086661 117444 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's http://www.icassp2011.com/ in El Praguel next week.)
< 1306086681 367869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you echoing me?
< 1306086686 282629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, why are you echoing me?
< 1306086690 362098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(  anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates)
< 1306086691 39399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on
< 1306086697 4016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (  anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates)
< 1306086703 623454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly
< 1306086710 911069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you going to finally admit to them that speech recognition is useless?
< 1306086717 383433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you've wasted your life?
< 1306086729 871696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOUGHT SO
< 1306086730 905591 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not quite.
< 1306086733 417810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1306086763 101153 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why Apple's blocks don't let you copy the block into arbitrary memory at all...
< 1306086783 821758 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library manages the heap, with no option for you to hook into it.
< 1306086795 731401 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it impossible to do garbage-collected blocks.
< 1306086864 649976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you want it on PS-form, then double invert. oh well
< 1306087015 259826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good tool for simplification of boolean expressions?
< 1306087036 890422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ghdl could perhaps be abused for it, if it does simplification
< 1306087046 185229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha :-P
< 1306087065 628456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but how do you get it to give you something on NOR-NOR form
< 1306087082 273277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno :P
< 1306087098 280244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/BooleanConvert.html
< 1306087104 171720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks*
< 1306087105 735121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "X in Y form" invokes it in W|A, it seems.
< 1306087123 956960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there is also http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/BooleanMinimize.html
< 1306087129 408547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mathematica so..
< 1306087138 529676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try BooleanMinimize then.
< 1306087139 459743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1306087142 17612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a "hard" task. :p
< 1306087142 868766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perfect!
< 1306087154 177696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hard task to do by hand? no indeed
< 1306087191 116850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but for 7 output signals and 4 input signals to each it is quite tedious. Especially if you want to try each in NOR-NOR and NAND-NAND to figure out which one is smallest
< 1306087222 458448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm planning out a 7-segment display in MC)
< 1306087246 366836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, writing a program to do it.
< 1306087252 284619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1306087272 523844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I may need it anyway since I'd like to ignore all values above 9 for input. Easy to do when doing it by hand
< 1306087313 143341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess the third form of it does that
< 1306087406 237258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah for BooleanFunction there is "   * Elements of inputs and outputs can also include any number of , representing "don't cares"."
< 1306087424 90696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1306087454 371973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean... a built-in Mathematica function does EXACTLY what you want?
< 1306087458 651674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a new one.
< 1306087477 307608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that sarcasm?
< 1306087482 90163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1306087495 315769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yes as far as I can tell from the docs it does exactly what I want
< 1306087500 354190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that sarcasm?
< 1306087519 970279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: No.
< 1306087525 841988 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but was that sarcasm?
< 1306087528 869963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306087542 731958 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but was that last line sarcasm?
< 1306087545 896393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I N C E P T I O N
< 1306087553 324765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I was waiting for that.
< 1306087557 72611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Lame.
< 1306087562 845034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, naturally.
< 1306087563 47073 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what elliott said.
< 1306087579 404436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I N C E P T I O N <-- I don't get it. Is this some new meme?
< 1306087583 479134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen it in a few places
< 1306087584 949140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's quite an old meme
< 1306087586 898134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's an old meme.
< 1306087588 717964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh, okay
< 1306087594 237990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence lameness.
< 1306087599 763109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why has it cropped up a lot recently then hm
< 1306087602 232941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just couldn't resist, though.
< 1306087602 314218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was lame on about its third use, tbh.
< 1306087603 823049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It hasn't.
< 1306087607 632421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wtf, how can you not know about that meme?
< 1306087609 819542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else you just started reading reddit or something.
< 1306087616 559875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306087620 859582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is that meme about
< 1306087624 336147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a film
< 1306087629 978707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1306087648 551642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The morale of the film is that recursion blows idiots' minds.)
< 1306087654 799116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]moral, I think.
< 1306087692 869912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WormNet sucks.
< 1306087704 653949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306088118 689241 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United States' bicycle path network is the patchiest thing in existence.
< 1306088160 46642 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's patchier than the discrete topological space of all ordinal numbers in the von Neumann universe of an inaccessible cardinal.
< 1306088183 907808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's patchier than Windows on the Tuesday after a critical exploit is revealed.
< 1306088252 449563 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its sidewalks aren't much better.
< 1306088306 663145 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what's up with the lack of sidewalks along some roads?
< 1306088350 626899 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans don't walk, so they don't bother designing to allow Americans to walk, so Americans don't walk.
< 1306088375 377626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, there are some places where people are simply unlikely to walk.
< 1306088421 862077 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole of American urban design is pedestrian-unfriendly.
< 1306088469 288782 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In large part because of the very, very low population density created by it.
< 1306088496 665611 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the US is pretty sparse.
< 1306088514 628856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, says the Australian.
< 1306088528 483013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1306088528 908933 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australian?  Where?
< 1306088543 749836 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, guys, this running gag has gone on too long.
< 1306088546 262348 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually Finnish.
< 1306088559 656155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try, Australian.
< 1306088577 975734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try, you... NATIONALITY LIAR.
< 1306088615 856498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait is tswett not Australian.
< 1306088621 470273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was Australian.
< 1306088624 884158 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Finnish.
< 1306088626 463823 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Let me put it this way: if I were to start driving east, I'd reach the next major city in 9 hours.
< 1306088627 567481 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm totally Finnish.
< 1306088642 547435 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: from where you are right now?
< 1306088644 396171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm afraid that BooleanMinimize didn't do quite what I wanted however
< 1306088645 721129 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306088666 187471 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driving *west*, it'd be all of 15 minutes.
< 1306088673 999864 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you... in the United States right now?
< 1306088677 861472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hey, that's only about twice the time it takes for me to move a total distance of...
< 1306088678 540839 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306088684 283891 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.  Neat.
< 1306088715 458690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you have running water over there in Australia?
< 1306088721 230136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Google maps why don't you let me know distances as the crow flies.
< 1306088736 688743 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I get my water from a well.
< 1306088738 37978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because crows have no sense of direction.
< 1306088742 986692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Your internet, too?
< 1306088753 85509 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really easy to access the groundwater, since it just falls out.
< 1306088754 812627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 172 miles along the roads.
< 1306088757 666119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just drop an Ethernet cable down the well and hook it up to your computer.
< 1306088765 857438 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, our Internet comes from cables.
< 1306088770 613891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1306088780 287326 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a bunch of cables in our basement or something.  They make the Internet.
< 1306088790 648630 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wow, that would take me like 2 or 3 hours.
< 1306088823 92840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's an intermittent ferry stop.
< 1306088828 768757 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would not be able to leave the state.
< 1306088876 214120 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like if you were to drive north from where I am now, you'd reach the next major city... never.
< 1306088884 517395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 hours would take me to the west coast and a bit along it.
< 1306088893 292677 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Sault Ste. Marie is a major city.
< 1306088911 892913 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driving north, I could get to the next major city in about an hour and a half...
< 1306088934 556334 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And past that, I'd reach the north fucking pole before hitting a major city again.
< 1306088949 277222 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at Sault Ste. Marie on a map and is amused.
< 1306088988 21367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wouldn't even be able to hit a major city in Canada, as what's north of me there is Saskatchewan, the Northwest Territories, and Nunavut)
< 1306088996 357871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw BooleanFunction didn't quite what I expected, the BooleanFunction[vars] form took the list of values starting from 111... rather than from 000...
< 1306089036 347578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, how are you American.
< 1306089040 919437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're Australian dammit.
< 1306089056 800084 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could drive north from Denver and not hit a major city ever.
< 1306089066 678176 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm definitely Finnish.
< 1306089078 927804 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittu.
< 1306089080 211998 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1306089081 211167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If I became Australian would that make you more happy?
< 1306089101 317139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, g'day mate!
< 1306089110 158732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how you define 'major', I could probably drive any direction other than west and never reach a major city.
< 1306089112 500476 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 39° of driving.
< 1306089120 346710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously I mean indigenous.
< 1306089125 474393 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm allowing some latitude for directions, actually.
< 1306089137 470166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh
< 1306089149 867477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY
< 1306089160 227729 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose I could go approx. northwest or northeast and hit Chicago or Seattle.
< 1306089166 351134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does a population of 200,000 count as major for you?
< 1306089195 157267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, to me that would be rather large
< 1306089196 58419 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 hours to Seattle, 16 to Chicago.
< 1306089199 987240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cities are agents of flour and ice
< 1306089215 847248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → food
< 1306089243 504773 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's not a terribly large city.
< 1306089260 927404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could?
< 1306089289 407142 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm in a city of 600,000 and I consider it small.
< 1306089306 520789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh my
< 1306089314 953603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, major city would be >100,000 to me
< 1306089365 801974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what do you count as major then
< 1306089405 277973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>=million?
< 1306089406 808489 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I suppose 500,000+ could barely count as "major". Though the ones people actually think of are going to be at least 1,000,000+.
< 1306089417 735400 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our largest city has a population of 588941, so... (Though seriously you can count the whole Helsinki/Espoo/Vantaa region as a one "place", which then barely manages to clear the million-people mark.)
< 1306089433 62989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavia is sparsely-populated? REALLY???????
< 1306089433 963053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG
< 1306089450 569560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if you go for 1,000,000+... Sweden has exactly one major city
< 1306089454 343915 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I consider city size to be more a matter of metropolitan region size.
< 1306089491 135417 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because city boundaries tend to be completely and utterly arbitrary and have nothing to do with what the urban area is)
< 1306089512 382227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sounds right to me.
< 1306089534 108979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the city of Denver has 600,000, but the metro area has 2.5 million.
< 1306089570 669393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for the one million inhabitants city of Sweden (Stockholm) that would include suburbs.
< 1306089581 49475 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the city of New York has 8.1 million, but the metro area has 18.8 million.
< 1306089585 398603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is what you mean with metro area
< 1306089589 607073 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah.
< 1306089593 467760 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, in that case we have a single major city too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Helsinki
< 1306089667 942649 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm lists three population figures: "City" 851155, "Urban" 1252020 and "Metro" 2063945.
< 1306089672 566689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :! (a \[Nor] b \[Nor] ! c \[Nor] d)
< 1306089674 24737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1306089682 371756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a weird way to write it out when I copy it
< 1306089688 81948 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Metro" counts the suburbs surrounding it.
< 1306089698 149308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's so it can reconstruct the original expression.
< 1306089702 867986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mathematica expressions aren't plain text.)
< 1306089705 342175 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urban" is just the single urban area.
< 1306089720 857869 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"City" is the population within the legal notion of "the city of Stockholm".
< 1306089725 480302 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1306089725 816417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, anyway, it is also a weird way to write the whole thing out. I would have written it as (a+b+c'+d)' or such
< 1306089732 653896 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that !(a nor b nor !c nor d)?
< 1306089739 928226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I'm not sure
< 1306089757 599074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm
< 1306089762 533516 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction is especially comical in the case of London.
< 1306089763 701529 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what else would it be?
< 1306089770 523395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well it can't just use something that looks "nice" since it has to have global meaning.
< 1306089774 161594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I think it must be (a'+b+c'+d)'
< 1306089774 406997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, weird.
< 1306089774 911893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ' a string in Mathematica? Maybe not.
< 1306089777 782353 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You replaced "\[Nor]" with "nor" and removed spaces.
< 1306089786 547776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well okay but apart from that
< 1306089787 447195 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11,500 people live in the City of London. 12 million live in the metro area.
< 1306089807 610320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can't be
< 1306089808 552425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, so you're claiming that + is a better operator for nor than... the nor symbol?
< 1306089809 797684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well hm
< 1306089818 635034 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I thought Mathematica's syntax was "Command[Args,ARgs]"
< 1306089820 304928 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Args*
< 1306089828 226258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm just more used to it being written like that in digital logic
< 1306089831 690834 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1306089843 723857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1306089844 331943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It has binary operators too.
< 1306089848 692337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ternary too.
< 1306089849 841923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :! a \[Nand] ! b \[Nand] c \[Nand] ! d
< 1306089851 501263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the same
< 1306089861 464333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means
< 1306089870 376923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a'bcd)'
< 1306089871 716657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1306089871 861696 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned City of London being only a square mile.
< 1306089878 570399 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, just making sure that those are indeed meant as infix operators.
< 1306089903 829357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the nand one will be easier to realise in mc after all
< 1306089908 492743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait what
< 1306089911 450988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: city of london
< 1306089959 103991 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, eh?
< 1306089964 290534 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought redstone torches were NOR gates.
< 1306089978 379626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, inverters actually
< 1306089980 670314 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nor one would be easier to build, right?
< 1306089987 789373 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, try it with more than one input.
< 1306090005 854855 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1306090011 458346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-#T
< 1306090011 977262 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1306090017 499015 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where T is a torch attached to #
< 1306090019 338304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, a single nor is easier to build by far yes, but I can't have current going back up the input signals here. And I have 4 input signals
< 1306090032 815132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, hold on.
< 1306090065 714068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I mean, an non-isolating OR gate is just redstone merging after all. If you want to isolate the inputs you need something more complex
< 1306090074 106535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sort of thing here
< 1306090087 294177 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:LondonCity.svg
< 1306090099 254625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's actually inside the city of london :D
< 1306090109 56347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the dense-as-fuck centre
< 1306090111 507775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/London_from_the_air.jpg
< 1306090112 41637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1306090140 413570 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The area across the Thames is not part of the City.
< 1306090144 144064 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://pastebin.com/akw5i0Kn
< 1306090145 933038 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you do that?
< 1306090154 106286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What is, then?
< 1306090168 114261 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's likely a more compact version too.
< 1306090168 287099 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:City_of_London_map_01.svg
< 1306090175 517959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, possibly, but then I can't share a gate with another output
< 1306090186 413952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A picture would be nicer than a map.
< 1306090186 495712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially a few *blocks* of the ultra-dense center.
< 1306090188 892455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, gate sharing complicates things immensely
< 1306090195 123893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: That's not a terribly large city.
< 1306090196 515311 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
< 1306090203 40355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I'd like a mc backend for some vhdl or verilog software :D
< 1306090205 761267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: got anything like this in sweden? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/London_from_the_air.jpg
< 1306090214 831987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes, I could drive literally any direction but west and I'd reach the sea or a border before a major city.
< 1306090217 585778 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I would try to code that.
< 1306090228 254370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, doitdoitdoit
< 1306090228 782179 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I know nearly enough theory of how that stuff works.
< 1306090234 720172 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less practice.
< 1306090239 105878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no not really, central Stockholm is more picturesque
< 1306090241 433323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1306090244 18129 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can drive any direction but toward-a-major-city and I'll reach the sea or a border before a major city.
< 1306090245 500930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you could just brute-force.
< 1306090245 582566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf at spelling
< 1306090258 401438 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how long will THAT take?
< 1306090261 79363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, heh
< 1306090277 883473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can drive any direction but toward-a-major-city and I'll reach the sea or a border before a major city. <-- hah
< 1306090284 392537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I'm thinking along the lines of reduce everything to NANDs and stick them all into MC.
< 1306090294 687587 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again.
< 1306090295 177587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that might not be minimal
< 1306090299 808285 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *Basically*, it's the area enclosed within the historical London Wall.
< 1306090300 717812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "wtf at spelling"?
< 1306090302 463961 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arn't redstone torches NOR gates natrually?
< 1306090306 585492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nvm
< 1306090307 934462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, yes.
< 1306090315 433888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, redstone torches on a block.
< 1306090321 405248 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be better to reduce to that?
< 1306090329 871667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then there is gate sharing and what not
< 1306090333 72524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes OK.
< 1306090333 154485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, "depends"
< 1306090350 523969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, "brute force" does not exactly carry an air of minimalism.
< 1306090375 580647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, iirc real software for FPGAs take such a long time to syntesize because they try so many different combinations. I don't think it is brute force as such, but somewhat more intelligent.
< 1306090375 690795 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building the gates is the easy part if you ask me.
< 1306090376 420554 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Central_Helsinki_from_plane.jpg   It's like ALMOST the same thing.
< 1306090394 484134 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Routing it, however...
< 1306090400 848302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, there is that too
< 1306090435 990251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Totally.
< 1306090436 284309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bad would the height limit be for synthesizing stuff?
< 1306090440 706902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow Helsinki is ugly in that picture.
< 1306090446 18236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, probably brute-forceable.
< 1306090447 787304 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:26_-_New_York_-_Octobre_2008.jpg For comparison.
< 1306090450 847080 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I catch constructions that I can't build without exceeding the height limit?
< 1306090463 890720 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's skyscrapers out to the horizon.
< 1306090468 917553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the upper part of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Stockholm_lead_image.jpg comes close
< 1306090477 817883 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.
< 1306090483 830920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks like one of the grotty ports in NI I am required to pass through.
< 1306090489 838748 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you'd want it covering the entire Y axis.
< 1306090506 920269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it really doesn't.
< 1306090515 729516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you realise the scale of the buildings in the London picture?
< 1306090516 651724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, throw them away after doing a check?
< 1306090520 440644 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's pretty ugly from the air always; maybe because it's so boringly flat.
< 1306090531 250928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edinburgh_from_The_Salisbury_Crags._-_geograph.org.uk_-_84623.jpg
< 1306090531 768495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, actually I'd like mine here to not be too huge
< 1306090537 36746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a castle, bitches.
< 1306090542 751418 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The London picture is depicting ~1 square mile.
< 1306090544 33790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course. I was joking
< 1306090548 399595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suuuuuuuuure.
< 1306090553 26774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Castle_Dunedin.JPG
< 1306090554 771733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just like fizzie was
< 1306090563 399930 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I dunno.
< 1306090566 180636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less crappy picture of castle.
< 1306090574 930020 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could start out with compiling expressions to redstone circults.
< 1306090577 673550 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :circuits*
< 1306090579 204574 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1306090590 515655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Make it export one of them schematic things for that level editor. :p
< 1306090591 662588 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(a,b,c):a^b^c to redstone.
< 1306090597 820901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was what I was thinking already.
< 1306090600 283970 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways.
< 1306090603 722977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NOTE HOW EXTREMELY ON TOPIC THIS IS FOR #esoteric-minecraft
< 1306090604 978476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COUGH
< 1306090607 508375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quick, show us a picture of Hexham so we may laugh.
< 1306090613 447139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see wikipedia
< 1306090616 586973 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can do that, then I can think of how to do things more complicated than gates.
< 1306090617 986655 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1306090620 587856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, routing would indeed be interesting, given the length limits, weird behaviour of repeaters, and so on
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< 1306090630 719800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, clearly it centres on its abbey.
< 1306090636 800393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pretty much, yes. :p
< 1306090640 310046 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: #minecraft for the people freenode considers geeks
< 1306090647 652437 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, might as well as add a piece of code that says "oh shit N/S quirk abort abort abort"
< 1306090649 928280 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually.
< 1306090651 806580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, hah
< 1306090655 67929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no, that's #esoteric-minecraft
< 1306090660 153577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS WHAT THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD BE IN COUGH COUGH
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< 1306090666 835983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way they have the exact same picture twice in the article.
< 1306090669 215920 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many schematic->world transfers rotate things?
< 1306090670 959698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you'll scare ZOMGMODULES with minecraft talk in here GET IN THE CHANNEL
< 1306090683 45587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hm no idea
< 1306090691 932059 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm just here for elliott's opinion on something.  DOn't mind me
< 1306090703 757187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't, I could have it avoid the N/S quirk when outputing MCRedstoneSim or something.
< 1306090706 131804 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use it otherwise.
< 1306090708 88878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, anyway, my primary interest here is making the logic for a 7-segment display, given BCD input
< 1306090709 982446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: >:E
< 1306090714 776320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like quite a chore
< 1306090719 810183 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, heh.
< 1306090740 298186 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone did this for openttd some time ago (a LED display counter, that is)
< 1306090745 657067 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please explain the appeal of ooc?  <-- note clever use of question mark on non-question
< 1306090752 629725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, how? trains?
< 1306090757 330163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: it has none
< 1306090758 448904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: yw
< 1306090761 202776 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and signals
< 1306090763 389697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: but, write Deadfish in it.
< 1306090772 164962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, I know fizzie did some sort of adder or something such in openttd
< 1306090776 602516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what it was exactly
< 1306090779 758193 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-94-147-17.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ZOMGTHX
< 1306090804 375932 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, Vorpal: Some gates in openttd: http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/
< 1306090809 720551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1306090843 58762 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37902 was the display
< 1306090903 705986 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2009/01/18/optimization-of-logic-logic-gates-part-ii/ has some gates worked out
< 1306091006 530191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, openttd doesn't allow underground networks does it? It just does simple straight tunnels?
< 1306091064 490415 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just does simple straight tunnels
< 1306091067 912363 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2D map array)
< 1306091075 16772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306091085 152505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, that complicates the logic in openttd certainly
< 1306091085 602023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have magical crossing tunnels though, I gather.
< 1306091088 148429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of a "tunnels may magically cross" patch.
< 1306091095 18337 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or option.
< 1306091095 241077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that stock?
< 1306091096 685589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an option.
< 1306091098 180983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1306091101 113425 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cheat
< 1306091102 949347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't play, this is log-memory.)
< 1306091114 555204 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played in ages either.
< 1306091119 215571 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it does have magical crossing tunnels
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< 1306091129 674307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :simutrans is better when it comes to that. You can do complicated underground networks
< 1306091150 181587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if it can do as advanced logic when it comes to signals Probably not
< 1306091152 633456 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :simutrans kindof sucks on the networking
< 1306091164 510042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, hm? You mean multiplayer?
< 1306091172 864275 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that too, and the trains
< 1306091179 541255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, how does it suck?
< 1306091189 110771 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, I couldn't quite figure out logic gates that'd be based on just single-track signals, so I went with two-track logic.
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< 1306091271 449246 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the multiplayer is mostly not there
< 1306091295 829580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, right, I'm not really interested in multiplayer for simutrans. So that doesn't bother me
< 1306091416 192344 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the trains...don't really know
< 1306091485 593831 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trains in openttd seem much more advanced though
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< 1306093973 981132 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no ancient lambdabot messages for me
< 1306094088 99450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there?
< 1306094103 500087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what did you do the diagram on http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/ with?
< 1306094105 743180 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone remembers how you minimise boolean expressions for NOR gates? I can only remember how you do it for NAND gates, not NOR gates
< 1306094112 57627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I found it
< 1306094123 892749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, reducing to PS-form then double inverting
< 1306094125 771427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  anyway it's obvious how to convert one method to the other
< 1306094128 950069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and shifting in)
< 1306094140 877275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're dual operations)
< 1306094156 622413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm does that give minimal expressions?
< 1306094181 204272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is this converting _from_ or _to_ NOR gates?
< 1306094194 61245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, to
< 1306094214 317767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because NOR-NOR logic is awesome :P
< 1306094216 478731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, dualize your expression, minimize it with NAND gates, then switch all NAND to NOW
< 1306094218 457529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termitaria#Nests
< 1306094219 591637 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOR
< 1306094230 411073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with Termit, Thermite or Turmite."
< 1306094238 86009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not to be confused with Marmite.
< 1306094257 903106 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Either Inkscape or Dia, I'd guess.
< 1306094270 519748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, what is the monospaced stuff just above?
< 1306094273 997163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean, the syntax
< 1306094282 911069 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/ttd_4adder_dia.png -- based on the file name, I'd guess Dia.
< 1306094293 275312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Sum, C] = hadd(A, B) {
< 1306094293 426576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Sum = A xor B
< 1306094293 507881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :  C = A and B
< 1306094293 508066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1306094294 949096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1306094308 266652 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the syntax might be just some ad-hoc pseudoish notation for all I know.
< 1306094311 406292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306094316 409111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey you wrote this :P
< 1306094324 50377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it was a while ago. :p
< 1306094327 123694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1306094345 206163 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is it's not any "real" notation.
< 1306094367 760926 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I probably took the [a, b] = foo(...) notation for multiple outputs out of Matlab/Octave.
< 1306094414 683170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the S in the middle line for the full adder should be Sum; or alternatively the Sum on the "declaration" line should be S.)
< 1306094448 32585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306094477 165271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you didn't try to do carry lookahead?
< 1306094501 919046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should look in to York Lava I wonder what it compiles to
< 1306094564 225256 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nno, the resulting map was already rather large after I had multiplied the generic two-input gate enough times to get a ripple-carry adder in place.
< 1306094621 924762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfq
< 1306094775 470074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1306094782 870905 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: Do you have running water over there in Australia? <-- yeah the water keeps running to get away from the spiders
< 1306094789 871706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyuk
< 1306094868 313211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuyh
< 1306095020 85685 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306095024 405755 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|nhy
< 1306095117 606990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8^y
< 1306095149 106617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :roadkill smileys
< 1306095169 165910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the sbahj smiley
< 1306095195 366820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shot by a huge jaguar?
< 1306095247 1207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :smashed by a hilarious jar?
< 1306095306 598530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jarred by a smashing hilarity?
< 1306095309 772950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :severed by aardvark hillbilly jerks
< 1306095327 6127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: FAIL
< 1306095335 415311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HI
< 1306095336 582570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/
< 1306095338 585629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet bro and hella jeff
< 1306095424 995194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from today's comic, sweet bro does not seem overly intelligent
< 1306095509 789591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait it seems that's the first comic
< 1306095563 214305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it i
< 1306095565 89183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]is
< 1306095576 633409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest is http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=031.jpg
< 1306095600 837613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't think i'm going to continue after no. 2, actually
< 1306095650 176320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you're missing the masterpiece that isnumber three
< 1306095653 696549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]that is number
< 1306095664 161542 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@
< 1306095669 338866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also number four, and five
< 1306095676 743659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and especially six
< 1306095681 617955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seven
< 1306095762 517781 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was 3 and 4.  i don't think i'll ever be high enough to read the rest.
< 1306095817 459593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...i don't think i'm going to continue after no. 2, actually <-- indeed.
< 1306095869 20556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 and 4 are not as cross, although even more meaningless (if, i assume, you are not high)
< 1306095883 498112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but six is the best :D
< 1306095895 903769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm where's the prices and values one i think i'll go reread it
< 1306095913 898694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait seven's the best
< 1306095915 720471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all the best
< 1306095925 964673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think i shall put this down to the generation gap
< 1306095939 263653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you _realise_ it's not sincere right :D
< 1306095971 57058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ...i don't think i'm going to continue after no. 2, actually <-- indeed.
< 1306095973 352864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whereas reading HS while not studying (yes studying) SBaHJ is less forgivable. SBaHJ is requisite supplementary reading. If HS was a class, I would automatically fail anybody who didn't get an A on their SBaHJ exam."
< 1306095974 125830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--AH
< 1306095976 707685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea whether "put this down to" is the right idiom
< 1306096014 242826 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is not sincere?  the comic or your praise of it?
< 1306096026 658658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the comic, of course it's sincerely awesome
< 1306096046 985868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, generation gap it is.
< 1306096094 917686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _may_ make more sense in context ;D
< 1306096170 223479 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, in fact, only skimming SBaHJ, and only as they're mentioned in HS
< 1306096222 445200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only skimming HS to start with
< 1306096228 365185 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : LIES
< 1306096238 903857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo_ what's the dog's name
< 1306096239 937450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Bic
< 1306096241 648176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Bic
< 1306096246 314132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blurb on http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/BooleanComputation.html is hilarious
< 1306096252 79454 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps elliott
< 1306096262 141415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo_ name some trolls
< 1306096263 774028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"access to the latest in industrial-strength Boolean computation" come on
< 1306096298 945175 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sollux, Equiunus (not sure sp), Vraska (sp?), Gamzee
< 1306096318 569051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1306096324 679641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the guy, like, almost done with Hivebent.
< 1306096337 350401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to sit here and cradle my face gently in my palms.
< 1306096344 32937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my good old ink-based Bicsprite.
< 1306096344 219112 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Act 5 Part 2 is past hivebend, right?
< 1306096363 946514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on Act Five Act Two and you can only remember two of the trolls' names. I am clapping here.
< 1306096376 670397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the most sarcastic manner in which two hands have ever met at speed before.
< 1306096380 109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not everyone is good at remembering names
< 1306096415 463628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: come on, he confused Scratch with another member of the Felt, despite seeing every member of the Felt and Scratch.
< 1306096420 524728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notably none of them have a cue ball for a head.
< 1306096441 147913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who was Scratch now again
< 1306096445 689592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1306096451 559349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you actually been reading.
< 1306096454 956081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes
< 1306096465 293106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just suck utterly at names
< 1306096478 54296 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION messages Vorpal
< 1306096480 568233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sittin' here, all cradlin' my face.
< 1306096487 699513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the point of a /msg is that other people don't see it.
< 1306096506 716867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the only reason I didn't want anyone to see it was to avoid spoiling future HS readers in here
< 1306096528 14374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Vorpal has at all been keeping up with updates he knows who Scratch is.
< 1306096547 24205 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps Vorpal
< 1306096554 610838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't been keeping up with updates no
< 1306096560 454913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, been far too busy
< 1306096602 471216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there have only been 45 pages from the one you finished on because the rate has slowed to a crawl.
< 1306096606 135723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only two [S]s.
< 1306096635 229547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is still more than most other comics I read
< 1306096638 704400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which update daily
< 1306096669 598419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It hasn't been updating anywhere near daily, and one HS panel is less than one normal comic..
< 1306096678 337962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306096685 460045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, there was a 9-day hiatus mere days ago.
< 1306096700 582144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "hiatus"; Flash work session.
< 1306096771 609708 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowed to a crawl?
< 1306096772 883526 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :://
< 1306096828 909376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: in that it's not updating at five panels per day like normal.
< 1306096853 402359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all about Bicsprite and his inky adventures in the Land of Paper and Lead.
< 1306096862 78879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, he is drawing a giraffe.
< 1306097191 896242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a tall order
< 1306097357 57204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes how the slow pace of irc is so much more conducive to puns than face to face conversation
< 1306097448 381934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is this the true reason for your status as the Punmaster?
< 1306097532 836156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.  i'm a bit of a joker face to face as well.
< 1306097533 836236 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306097536 369014 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1306097542 493365 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Timwi
< 1306097591 951840 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do you discuss on this channel normally? :)
< 1306097609 532913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything _except_ esolangs, generally
< 1306097626 497499 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so Im in the wrong place :>
< 1306097639 230524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly.
< 1306097661 337885 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be futile asking something about the esolangs.org wiki then, would i?
< 1306097664 273558 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it?
< 1306097668 53598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hey I remember an esolang discussion just a few days ago
< 1306097668 135277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, recent topics of discussion include Minecraft, Homestuck and puns.
< 1306097681 698499 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you guys have been punting? ;-)
< 1306097684 853430 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1306097687 764099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite us already having a separate channel for Minecraft discussion to start with.
< 1306097705 652185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Timwi
< 1306097715 370481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi, we do discuss esolangs too however, it is just that it doesn't nearly fill up the time in here. Thus we get a lot of "off topic" discussion too
< 1306097748 214891 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask what your opinions are on full descriptions on the wiki. I find it weird that some people seem to *remove* descriptions and leave only a short summary (by far not enough to get an idea of the language) and/or replace it with a link which of course goes dead quickly.
< 1306097750 964797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, by coppro's conjecture, there is always an expert on anything you ask about in here, or someone in here knows an expert.
< 1306097764 905781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: yeah i don't like that either
< 1306097769 719682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: um i've only noticed it happening once recently
< 1306097776 520006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :full description is better
< 1306097783 553830 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im tempted to revert the change [[Fish]] :-p
< 1306097784 994805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't revert it because there's no point having an unmaintained description but I did leave a message on their talk page
< 1306097797 126913 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh  Ill go check
< 1306097797 275261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to have replied yet, but it's only been two days
< 1306097812 305425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: however one occasional problem is people copying stuff from elsewhere.  our license is not very compatible with doing that.
< 1306097813 252110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the language would be hugely complex. Like befunge98 or intercal
< 1306097822 734354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(understatement)
< 1306097825 492058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right
< 1306097831 538771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OTOH it was the language creator this time
< 1306097837 298165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can pretty much do what they want
< 1306097855 450384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A soldier of the New World army ant..." — WP
< 1306097859 852470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i don't think they can just revoke the license, can they?
< 1306097863 737291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first parsed that as some kind of weird cult.
< 1306097868 616723 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont see why complexity should be a stopper
< 1306097870 334782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, exactly, posting it on the wiki counts as permission
< 1306097914 470381 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dont happen to think that the articles should belong to the authors. Maybe the _language_ does, but unless they redefine their language I think the _description_ should be up to wiki philosophy
< 1306097997 786641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: yeah.
< 1306098000 171548 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No disagreements? :)
< 1306098002 546296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely
< 1306098031 654547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't a wiki, most of the articles would be of terrible quality :)
< 1306098061 146958 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Im not sure whether youre being ironic or whether you really think most articles are good quality
< 1306098064 827885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: we've done major rewritings of articles before.  it's just we're usually too lazy to do so unless we consider the language particularly interesting _and_ have ideas for improvement
< 1306098075 70837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well, define good quality :-P
< 1306098081 564340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 90 percent of our articles are on tiny minor esolangs.
< 1306098088 86307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's really not much to say on them.
< 1306098098 487906 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, but that doesnt mean their descriptions cant be improved
< 1306098109 335130 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive seen too many pages where the description is vague or ambiguous
< 1306098117 292512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; I think the average quality of articles is pretty good for all esolangs that more than one person cares about, though, on average
< 1306098121 950184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, redundancy.
< 1306098140 18817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well when the page is the _only_ description of the language it is hard for someone other than the author to disambiguate it
< 1306098143 509535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well it's hard to clarify things when there's true ambiguity, because that ambiguity is in the spec itself.
< 1306098143 812393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1306098166 527168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had a Funge-98 article, it would have to be extremely ambiguous by necessity (although Mycology acts as a sort of de facto disambiguator)
< 1306098202 71829 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should have some sort of incentive for authors to be precise and complete
< 1306098206 313537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i recall i did some minor disambiguation to itflabtijtslwi when i implemented it
< 1306098250 821880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: It's called having your language ignored otherwise.
< 1306098253 96539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's swift and merciless ;)
< 1306098257 531242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero-effort too :D
< 1306098267 666641 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can do better
< 1306098291 753696 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, we could add banners (or other prominent boxes/markers) along the top of a page which clearly highlight all the ambiguities/open questions
< 1306098300 340597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what talk pages are for?
< 1306098304 586480 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we add these banners quickly enough when a language is posted, the author will notice it
< 1306098310 573609 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but nobody notices them
< 1306098315 53183 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk pages are completely useless.
< 1306098326 84418 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theyre not even suitable for discussions.
< 1306098329 771209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree, we've had very productive discussion and clarification on talk pages before
< 1306098335 888516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did the wiki just go down for anyone else
< 1306098342 799416 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My proposal is not to have a discussion about the language, but just to document the shortcomings of the article _in the article itself_.
< 1306098347 209919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Works
< 1306098351 549279 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me too
< 1306098385 688514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well we could have some sort of infobox I suppose, but it seems like mentioning that there's a new discussion on the article's talk page on the language author's talk page might be the most productive option? I doubt most people check their languages' articles very often after all
< 1306098412 544863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there an analogue of the internet archive that doesn't respect robots.txt?
< 1306098418 558925 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think they check their user talk page any more often?
< 1306098434 891426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well you get an annoying bar on every page if you don't...
< 1306098435 445438 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get the notification they would have to at least view *something* on the wiki, and what would that be if not their own language article?
< 1306098443 928271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other languages? recent changes?
< 1306098446 809092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that, there's the email this user link
< 1306098453 600662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they have that disabled then they don't want to be bothered any more than that by choice
< 1306098465 297601 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a reader, I dont want to have to e-mail users, I want to just say this article has ambiguity XYZ and move on
< 1306098480 565155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you mean after the fact?  not respecting it while crawling might be likely to get you banned...
< 1306098481 810122 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, the original language inventor may not be the only person capable of clarifying the ambiguity
< 1306098485 460928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a note on the article talk page + a note on the user's talk page is quite easy to do
< 1306098496 216127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: if there's a spec, then you could correct the error yourself :-)
< 1306098499 426693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, then only the author can
< 1306098512 146136 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think youre not catching my drift here
< 1306098525 948647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :)
< 1306098526 457683 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, we have many articles with problems, but *nobody is documenting the problems*
< 1306098561 276116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the wiki is fairly low-traffic, and there's a huge long tail effect on the articles that are read
< 1306098579 848018 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was new, I tried to make [[Talk:Funciton]] a bit like this  i.e. have it be a documentation of current problems  but when I removed a thread that was about a *resolved* problem, it was reverted and I was asked not to remove discussions. Thus, talk pages are completely useless for my purpose
< 1306098617 358475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well archiving talk pages is OK but removing threads is generally not done
< 1306098623 901122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: um if someone logs in to the wiki at all, they will know if they have a message on their user talk page automatically, while they have to explicitly check all their language articles
< 1306098627 562028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it makes them hard to access (you have to find a random revision in the history)
< 1306098661 616280 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think an articles problems should be listed on the article itself though.
< 1306098688 574216 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I also think that should be the case on Wikipedia as it would benefit readers a lot  even if they cannot resolve the problem, at least they know it exists. But of course on Wikipedia I tend to talk against a wall there :)
< 1306098691 932309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with that, I just don't see how it will make problems get fixed any quicker.
< 1306098738 741927 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I cant prove to you that they will, but let me point out that most people thought wikis would never work (i.e. would only accumulate errors/problems that dont get fixed) until Wikipedia proved them wrong :)
< 1306098786 116689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, but people also said the same about perpetual motion machines :P
< 1306098792 304330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm just not sure how people will notice
< 1306098803 94581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ have a stub template anyway
< 1306098828 154330 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, the stub template. I dont get why this is considered useful? It only states the obvious (this article is short). Its redundant.
< 1306098852 788839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some articles are short because there's not much to say
< 1306098859 617226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :others are short because we haven't figured out /what/ to say yet :)
< 1306098864 370006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one kind are stubs
< 1306098881 762496 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: so that people can easily go looking for stubs to expand on, in theory
< 1306098947 648723 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a language article really *needs* only one thing: all the information necessary to implement the language or to program in it. But there are several would-be-nice-to-haves: the top #1 for me is example programs. Others include, for example, a simplified list of commands (a cheat sheet); another is a beginners introduction/tutorial...
< 1306098965 485443 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Well you can still do that with [[Special:Shortpages]]
< 1306098972 242640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO a tutorial would usually belong on another page, perhaps even a user page, since it's much less objective information than the rest
< 1306098996 31318 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can certainly go on a subpage, but why a user page?
< 1306099008 39275 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is a tutorial not objective, and even if it isnt, why does all content need to be objective?
< 1306099021 200774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are many ways to introduce someone to a language
< 1306099026 368381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond what consensus can agree on
< 1306099036 28188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just my opinion anyway
< 1306099040 394393 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but surely its better to have /one/ such way than none
< 1306099052 356641 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306099084 879989 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306099133 516781 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the introduction I wrote for Funciton is useless and/or too subjective?
< 1306099152 444138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see that as a tutorial
< 1306099164 467239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a list of examples of certain features in increasing complexity rather than a guide on writing programs, IMO
< 1306099171 338519 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, true
< 1306099178 617976 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intended as an _introduction_ rather than a tutorial
< 1306099186 749367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :)
< 1306099198 377622 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish more articles did that. Instead I tend to see descriptions that already assume knowledge about the execution environment / memory model / etc.
< 1306099386 352421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: btw your irc client is putting some strange characters in your messages
< 1306099405 719759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for quotes
< 1306099410 13459 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306099418 443676 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is UTF-8 strage?
< 1306099420 654423 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange?
< 1306099447 985445 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-23602.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1306099460 429488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they show up as inverted double S or T
< 1306099474 13626 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1306099476 900689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm otherwise approximately utf8 clean
< 1306099487 477585 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm assuming that it's UTF-8 -- how do I check? :-p
< 1306099504 443818 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-246.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1306099514 783249 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm not running the newest version of mIRC. Maybe I should upgrade
< 1306099520 723900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has rather bad luck with unicode
< 1306099545 711170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed elliott occasionally pastes characters like that, but he doesn't write them afair
< 1306099548 547810 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone seeing my characters properly? quotes single quotes em dash etc.?
< 1306099568 833175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, but oerjan and maybe others tend to have problems with Unicode characters in here anyway
< 1306099570 596111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/11.05.22 at the end
< 1306099579 375657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows up as blank squares to me
< 1306099583 953371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's possible my client is just doing encoding detection
< 1306099586 445235 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do so many people use ancient 1980s technology? :(
< 1306099623 330381 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That chat log appears to be encoded as Windows-1252
< 1306099631 497648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes.org sends no header
< 1306099633 307435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is utf8, since they don't show up as such in the logs
< 1306099639 92931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might try the codu logs
< 1306099643 80696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes utf8
< 1306099646 976250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306099652 865830 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306099654 903749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it shows wrongly there too
< 1306099657 738235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as wrong single characters
< 1306099665 678254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Timwi is the one using eighties technology -- a non-unicode character set :)
< 1306099676 368669 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-05-22.txt
< 1306099696 48390 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure that the log shows exactly what my client sends?
< 1306099704 764709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306099710 967060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read the code to glogbot :P
< 1306099714 888417 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then I need to find out how to enable UTF-8
< 1306099726 435925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use dumb quotes ;)
< 1306099730 865586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :̈æ (testing)
< 1306099735 350277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, shows right in the logs for me
< 1306099744 998236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with a diaeresis inexplicably??
< 1306099777 259395 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combining diaeresis no less
< 1306099800 359426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what i actually typed
< 1306099800 837386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306099803 569472 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. I'm happy to hear suggestions for a better IRC client
< 1306099808 634986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1306099813 854996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :æ (testing too)
< 1306099819 538589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xchat but I'm on linux
< 1306099830 439222 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no diaeresis for that
< 1306099837 854409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I gather that http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/ is a decent xchat bild for windows...
< 1306099840 50070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :build
< 1306099849 762753 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW looks like mIRC can correctly _display_ your UTF-8-encoded text. I guess that's why I thought it also _sends_ UTF-8
< 1306099897 673087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of clients tend to do that, even xchat by default
< 1306099909 860696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change encoding from "IRC" which is some freakish latin-one/utf-eight hybrid to plain utf8
< 1306099934 979284 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has nobody ever written a completely normal, un-messed-up IRC client?! :-)
< 1306099988 473257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have, hundreds of times in fact
< 1306099995 467819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like editors :)
< 1306099995 720153 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I've never seen one
< 1306100004 26598 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've never seen any of those either
< 1306100006 668218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely, so you can be the next person in line to write one :)
< 1306100019 643353 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and no doubt 90% of all people will think mine is messed up too
< 1306100021 567776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the first person to use yours will say "What kind of IDIOT wrote this? I'm going to write a /normal/ editorclient" :-P
< 1306100074 444831 :Timwi_!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306100087 523763 :Timwi_!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow?
< 1306100093 418707 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, I didn't see the join message
< 1306100100 443839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /set recode_fallback CP1252
< 1306100117 486584 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hm?
< 1306100119 103744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's loser talk
< 1306100121 261611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i see
< 1306100122 728672 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! Ctrl+L clears the bugger, how do I undo that?
< 1306100127 44610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: you can't
< 1306100127 828661 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL s/bugger/buffer/
< 1306100134 856998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, afaik
< 1306100139 50559 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To make irssi try windows-1252 when it's not UTF-8
< 1306100143 223327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why /clear even exists really
< 1306100150 91893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And to make Timwi's quotes etc work :-P
< 1306100150 173557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ctrl+L is the binding)
< 1306100157 154256 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. So here we go, the first shortcut I press (accidentally) has a destructive data-loss characteristic with no undo. You don't think that's messed up? :-p
< 1306100170 641042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you turn logging on it's not destructive. :p
< 1306100177 908567 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK how do I do that? :)
< 1306100180 534387 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i have it as iso-8859-1, i recall i had some trouble with using cp1252 after i changed the rest of my setup to be utf8 clean
< 1306100190 238589 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp1252 is a ISO-8859-1 superset
< 1306100194 280126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Settings → Preferences → Logging
< 1306100207 463149 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, strangely enough _something_ broke iirc
< 1306100214 564732 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll spend some time going through the Preferences dialog, thanks
< 1306100227 156158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite recall what it was
< 1306100230 548869 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It /is/ a superset :-P
< 1306100238 407393 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow
< 1306100288 969405 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, the menu keyboard navigation is all messed up :(( Sorry I'm so picky :)
< 1306100295 549441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah iirc iso1252 gave me trouble with characters 128 to 128+31
< 1306100308 716412 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when doing bot stuff
< 1306100372 430663 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the only range where stuff is different
< 1306100377 776252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i vaguely recall characters showed up duplicated.
< 1306100382 40698 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow Timwi test Meow
< 1306100388 718564 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1306100389 456643 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi__
< 1306100390 793670 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ISO-8859-1 they're control chars, in windows-1252 they're not
< 1306100391 302802 :Timwi_!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi
< 1306100403 462645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat, the best irc client for felines
< 1306100414 416552 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test Meow Timwi Test meow
< 1306100424 956884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +[.+]
< 1306100426 917343 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​........
< 1306100456 181627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misses fungot
< 1306100465 674658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we demand fungottery
< 1306100473 564326 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh hm wait i am seeing double chars _now_
< 1306100519 314608 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :
< 1306100523 248105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 ++++++++++[.+]
< 1306100524 278406 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now lets see how it goes
< 1306100529 974219 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldnt find any UTF-8-related options though
< 1306100537 53030 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the quotes showing up properly now?
< 1306100553 446795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks the same as before (i.e. fine) to me
< 1306100557 678246 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1306100558 608166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: the encoding is in the network list thing
< 1306100568 18553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit the server → Character set
< 1306100608 895604 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargrggghhh
< 1306100613 318541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah yes.  when i do cp1252 all the chars after that become messed up
< 1306100619 674028 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is totally messed up. I cant type normally into this text box...
< 1306100624 483744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1306100643 255147 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a list of all the issues I have with all the crap software I encounter :)
< 1306100664 247177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not normal about the text box :)
< 1306100671 281945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a standard gtk text box here
< 1306100674 715515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then my whole environment is gtk
< 1306100713 901339 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesnt accept keypresses that come from a WinAPI SendInput() call.
< 1306100735 674860 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm, more precisely, it accepts keypresses such as backspace, but not Unicode characters :)
< 1306100765 116249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306100765 481178 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not the first time Im having huge issues with GTK and Unicode. For a GUI toolkit I think it is exceptionally broken
< 1306100770 334891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the input methods menu in the right-click?
< 1306100781 189688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're on Windows, it's hardly GTK's native platform :)
< 1306100794 136400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in X11 it supports unicode input perfectly for me
< 1306100810 36158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey
< 1306100810 181010 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that Input Methods menu do that isnt already covered by normal native OS-level functionality?
< 1306100810 722226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . Fish‎; 19:11 . . (+8,797) . . Harpyon (Talk | contribs) (Added/rewrote documentation.)
< 1306100814 44765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was readded
< 1306100820 266415 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I noticed that :)
< 1306100831 576955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well on Unix/X11 which is GTK's native platform there is /no/ OS-level functionality for that, it's in the toolkit i.e. GTK :)
< 1306100848 133568 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so every program needs to implement it separately
< 1306100866 263311 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So every program will implement it _differently_, so the amount of learning (and frustration) increases with the number of programs you use
< 1306100874 922336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not every program implements it separately
< 1306100882 225779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's more than one program that uses gtk
< 1306100897 194445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems to have been unified into this "ibus" thing lately, I bet that works with Qt too...
< 1306100918 369159 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that help anyone using any other app?
< 1306100928 638714 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly OS-level functionality is the right way to do this
< 1306100938 816724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any other app"?
< 1306100947 726912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise there are hundreds if not thousands of applications using GTK+, right?
< 1306100953 428413 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want character input to be consistent across *ALL APPS WITHOUT EXCEPTION*, not different from framework to framework
< 1306100964 127722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :among them the vast majority of popular graphical Unix programs
< 1306100975 41459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. every single Gnome program
< 1306100991 179093 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so GTK now has a user lock-in feature too  if you try to use ANY non-GTK program AT ALL and expect to be able to enter text normally, youre screwed
< 1306100997 183634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: well it's a flexibility tradeoff -- every program that runs on the "GTK+ graphical OS" supports it.
< 1306101013 369348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was on the Xorg level, it would just mean that doing it differently would involve rewriting the entire graphical subsystem
< 1306101032 61178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's certainly feasible to not use a single non-GTK graphical program)
< 1306101052 327139 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So uhm, any other suggestions for a better IRC client? :)
< 1306101062 138164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :)
< 1306101124 223740 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, now mIRC stopped working, supposedly because the evaluation period expired. That seems a bit random now, Ive been using it for decades :)
< 1306101134 128922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give it a few seconds and the continue button enables :P
< 1306101167 416440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: btw i do generally agree wrt things being at the OS layer rather than lower down -- e.g. I'm a fan of OS-level object model/garbage collection -- but I'm not sure it's always clear-cut
< 1306101195 549400 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I dont claim that its easy :)
< 1306101229 540999 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just very surprised to see this kind of text-input functionality in applications like Skype, Pidgin and now XChat, which duplicate functionality that should be OS-global and not app-specific...
< 1306101247 584377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype is Qt I think, not sure; Pidgin and XChat are both GTK+.
< 1306101257 56760 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is
< 1306101278 453414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really app-specific so much as layering some "graphical-environment functionality" on top of another graphical-environment (Windows), whereas they usually run a layer lower (X Windows), IMO
< 1306101321 297545 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its app-specific in the sense that there is GUI for it (such as the Input Methods menu in XChat) that should be in the OS
< 1306101416 280275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would make you consider such an option "part of the OS"? It's so you can set a specific input method temporarily
< 1306101422 614342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wouldn't work in any sort of system-wide settings
< 1306101440 7756 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306101442 180676 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow!
< 1306101462 313993 :Timwi!~Timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1306101462 690131 :Timwi__!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi
< 1306101501 22131 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have misunderstood what the feature does, but even switching between input methods (e.g. keyboard layouts) I would argue should be OS-level. I'm actually annoyed that Windows remembers the keyboard layout on a per-app basis and switches between them as you switch between apps :)
< 1306101562 747060 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1306101564 664651 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to esolangs
< 1306101583 962833 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually going to ask whether there is any demand for a primitive esoteric-language IDE with a step-through debugger :)
< 1306101611 436515 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one for an esolang I haven't published yet, and I was wondering whether anyone would like to help me add other languages, esp. BF and Befunge and some of the most popular ones
< 1306101619 934615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of them for brainfuck
< 1306101640 513540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Befunge I take it you mean Befunge-93
< 1306101645 26281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Funge-98
< 1306101651 532955 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm thinking of a single, integrated program that supports as many languages as possible
< 1306101667 226812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Implementing Funge-98 is a major project in itself; doing it efficiently and with good fingerprint support takes many thousands of lines.)
< 1306101688 639683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: what language? I haven't tried Funciton yet because it depends on a newer version of .NET than Mono supports
< 1306101699 803813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's many Windows users in here
< 1306101775 204054 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wrote it in C# because I happen to know C# best. I don't think you have to use Windows; I'm pretty sure that it'll work in Mono.
< 1306101785 906063 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even concoct my own implementation of BigInteger, then I don't need to require .NET 4.0.
< 1306101800 227606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked Mono didn't have BigInteger, yeah.
< 1306101857 695349 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, there's a Mono.Math.BigInteger
< 1306101882 66763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same API, though?
< 1306101887 236208 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1306101888 760207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be unsigned only
< 1306101896 452419 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear :)
< 1306101965 286582 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone except for us two has gone quiet...
< 1306101972 137993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp
< 1306101977 646399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +[.+]
< 1306101978 343598 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​........
< 1306101985 526807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo beep
< 1306101988 503603 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have gone slower so I could tell whether it's because I mentioned C# or whether it was because we talked about GTK+ in Windows :)
< 1306101989 398358 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​beep
< 1306101990 881908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "boop"
< 1306101991 516016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  boop
< 1306102008 402572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phantom_Hoover: hey, revive the channel :-)
< 1306102030 714636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we do it with SCIENCE!
< 1306102033 572460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bee science!
< 1306102082 758873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have developed an interest in bees.)
< 1306102158 386489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang based on bees. Discuss.
< 1306102173 905803 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306102185 681088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beesolang.
< 1306102187 271725 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, commands are encoded as dance patterns?
< 1306102201 388574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. Or you control the queen.
< 1306102243 527158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make new bees and they do things.
< 1306102295 149506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1306102365 565651 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306102371 472346 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resident electronics seem to be rather unhappy
< 1306102377 439169 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer crashed then my router cut out
< 1306102383 11132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorry we are discussing Beesolang.
< 1306102395 604884 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who pronounced "eso" with a long e.
< 1306102398 578570 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounces.
< 1306102402 854825 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad people that's who.
< 1306102420 891610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you say it as "ehsolang"?
< 1306102426 156883 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306102429 145487 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it should be long e, too.
< 1306102437 881167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.229.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1306102439 536847 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL CONSULT GOOGLE
< 1306102440 880805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... esoteric is pronounced with a long 'e'.
< 1306102443 275838 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with cubes
< 1306102444 728395 :CakeProphet!~adam@h79.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306102447 95185 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=esoteric&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=uorZTeOpCsHRhAe05bS2Bg&ved=0CCAQkQ4&biw=1440&bih=761
< 1306102448 868445 :CakeProphet!~adam@h79.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1306102448 950088 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306102454 623419 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation icon -> "ehsoteric".
< 1306102457 279201 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha I am right.
< 1306102467 19535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1306102474 786101 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://howjsay.com/index.php?word=esoteric&submit=Submit
< 1306102478 777631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses DESCRIPTIVISM
< 1306102480 923259 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short e apparently...
< 1306102486 23050 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's super effective.
< 1306102487 673373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally never heard it said with a short 'e'.
< 1306102498 9975 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When have you EVER heard "esoteric" said?
< 1306102508 324109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a common word down our way.
< 1306102519 203261 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weirdo Scots.
< 1306102525 858988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, no one has ever said "esoteric", anything else is just an illusion
< 1306102538 819817 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your facts are as amusing as they are factual
< 1306102554 183715 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard esophagus though, is that similar? :))
< 1306102564 371799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers that he has a computerised pronunciation guide on his hard drive.
< 1306102569 468193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: your praise is as welcome as it is sincere
< 1306102578 177447 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was _perfectly_ sincere.
< 1306102583 152148 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said the fact was factual ;-)
< 1306102597 143026 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A text-to-speech program?
< 1306102613 310618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, no, just ASCII phonetics.
< 1306102616 495066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled by logic again
< 1306102622 822008 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So are you a bee hipster yet?
< 1306102633 350772 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metallurgy, things to make shirts out of... bees are merely the next logical step.
< 1306102651 883262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you even express interest in what the shirt would be made of.
< 1306102665 439130 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it in the logs.
< 1306102673 299347 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to generalise it down to "silk" to irritate you.
< 1306102685 517635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spider silk
< 1306102687 557287 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will then point out how impractical that is wrt the weather where you live.
< 1306102719 126112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have a machine for it, obviously.
< 1306102724 841777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... import the spiders?
< 1306102733 581275 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean that it is cold in Scotland.
< 1306102737 705767 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And silk is... not very warming.
< 1306102738 781764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more practical than the tantalum, at least.
< 1306102745 714073 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tantalum shirt.
< 1306102747 206863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, we have jumpers, you know.
< 1306102760 905830 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Thus making the shirt completely superfluous :P
< 1306102812 892324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah no because the collar of the shirt would be visible and everyone would be like "oh, your shirt is weird" and I'd be like "yes, it's made of spider silk" and then I could hug arachnophobes.
< 1306102832 891769 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1306102838 254237 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I understand your mind.
< 1306102871 859451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Do tell, I've often wondered myself.
< 1306102947 928426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: i think that was more of an oklopol comment, really
< 1306102962 842692 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it had too many words for that
< 1306102965 243642 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big ones
< 1306102968 554160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306103094 170980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1306103221 534787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306103377 172563 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :→
< 1306103391 571621 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what did you see in my previous message?
< 1306103416 445573 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :’
< 1306103427 427840 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting! It’s sending UTF-8 now!
< 1306103451 100841 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts up.
< 1306103555 995051 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, you still there?
< 1306103574 391270 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually going to ask why people seem to be intent on keeping deadlinks around on esolangs.org.
< 1306103675 352144 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I created {{deadlink}} so people would either update them or wayback them
< 1306103692 223928 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1306103694 613847 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn’t obvious :)
< 1306103725 96298 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did do that once — I recovered the description of [[Emoticon]] from the wayback machine
< 1306103731 143823 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should put a note on the template page...
< 1306103736 748404 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and link the "dead link" text to it
< 1306103750 811130 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: hm you didn't copy from it without checking with the author though right?
< 1306103753 571995 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, oerjan removed it :)
< 1306103754 718945 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a copyvio :/
< 1306103766 972857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah alas
< 1306103788 283336 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t deny that it’s technically a copyvio, but I really cannot imagine it ever being a problem :)
< 1306103857 433093 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we do enforce the policy quite strictly, but I don't see anything that could be a copyvio on [[Emoticon]]
< 1306103886 518754 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the new wayback interstitial is annoying
< 1306103913 785962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: um,  Great, oerjan removed it :)
< 1306103918 842761 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306103951 621029 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder what you're meant to do with copyvios on wikis since it stays in the history
< 1306103957 112570 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wikipedia does a delete/restore without those revisions thing
< 1306103975 114431 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: was it actually a vio or did you write your own description using the page?
< 1306103977 71056 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is fine ofc
< 1306103984 895336 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sent him an e-mail
< 1306104009 630478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty directly copied as i recall
< 1306104024 542178 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I copied it and only fixed the formatting
< 1306104028 999887 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which actually took me quite a while :/
< 1306104040 143938 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be annoying if I don’t hear from the guy and the work was for nothing
< 1306104049 818317 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's copyright law for you :(
< 1306104073 600332 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought in the US copyright law allows us to post it and wait until we get a takedown notice :)
< 1306104088 11143 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1306104093 158568 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of thing that gets you prosecuted :-P
< 1306104099 992102 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a takedown notice, you have to take it down
< 1306104104 747738 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't make it legal in the first plcae
< 1306104118 641694 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be Graue's decision in any case
< 1306104132 64651 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Graue, I haven’t received a reply from him about my e-mail... :(
< 1306104143 561631 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: no.  the law allows the _isp/host_ to wait until they get a takedown notice.  the uploader can certainly be sued immediately.
< 1306104156 815976 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see
< 1306104177 290506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well ok i'm not entirely certain)
< 1306104199 290785 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find making things up to be an excellent substitute for knowing things; YMMV
< 1306104201 847682 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1306104209 801067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's meant to protect isp/hosts from having to check everything
< 1306104289 566074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ graue paid attention to ais523's email during the recent spam flood.  but i certainly didn't get a response to the last one i sent
< 1306104323 443653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you the problem was fixed though
< 1306104326 760424 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Graue is going to be prohibitively unresponsive, we could consider forking the content :-p
< 1306104344 453294 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue is a good admin and the esolangs.org domain has lots of Googlejuice in it anyway
< 1306104352 433922 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although is technically not owned by Graue IIRC
< 1306104370 380225 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course it would be best if we could get hold of the domain too :)
< 1306104395 802174 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't see why, the wiki is running quite smoothly
< 1306104396 791158 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306104396 872985 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While parsing numbers is not very hard, it makes for slow and possibly glitchy programs." --[[Fish]]
< 1306104397 910940 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat...
< 1306104409 14212 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly glitchy? can this guy not write a number parsing program or something :)
< 1306104492 116785 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I explained why — because I’m not getting a response regarding my suggestions for improvement. Is the wiki interested in improvements or not? If I can host it equally smoothly *and* be responsive *and* make it easier for users to format articles nicely, that’s clearly an improvement :)
< 1306104495 579274 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I’m not saying I can
< 1306104513 263767 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what suggestions did you make?
< 1306104528 647667 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I considered making a new MediaWiki skin that is unique to esolangs
< 1306104550 859833 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see mine and ais' replies on the talk page? that would be best done locally at first, since it involves editing PHP
< 1306104556 416536 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suggested the div/span template thingie, which was eventually added, but only because someone found a tricky workaround for the filter :-p
< 1306104563 334838 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a finished skin you might get a quicker response
< 1306104570 207457 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1306104593 388520 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more than creating a whole skin, I’d really just like to improve the look of individual articles
< 1306104599 118061 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that I would like to be able to edit [[Common.css]]
< 1306104607 748094 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]
< 1306104632 213217 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well again some concrete suggestions might help :)
< 1306104868 722339 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1306104886 601287 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn’t I be able to make these suggestions in the same way that you make any other suggestions on a wiki — by editing it?
< 1306104920 209398 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with normal pages you can only mess up one page with an edit, and it's easily revertible; with the CSS anyone could make the site unusable with a single edit
< 1306104952 250388 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I’m not suggesting to make it editable to everyone
< 1306104956 975163 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment it is very hard to make a table that doesn’t look completely rubbish. Even if I add the code to make it look okay, I still have to add that to every single table....
< 1306104989 527337 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that a nicer table style would be nicer; have you written any CSS to make them nicer? You can test modifications in [[User:Timwi/Monobook.css]] and then any sysop could easily copy it over if people like it.
< 1306105002 631467 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was what was going to happen with the wikitable class from Wikipedia, but unfortunately the license prohibits it.
< 1306105009 552970 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that no-one can see it until it is copied over :-p
< 1306105018 660521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1306105018 801988 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you copy it to your own user page, etc.etc. — a lot of unnecessary work)
< 1306105035 724790 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, I actually had another idea which may be a lot more controversial than this :)
< 1306105045 703920 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: Well, nobody can see it before it is added to the global style either
< 1306105049 571652 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your proposed scenario
< 1306105063 873464 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hence why I‘m asking to be able to do that
< 1306105073 842500 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway
< 1306105096 535326 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that an opening single quote character there...
< 1306105102 725854 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in "I‘m")
< 1306105126 10578 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I was thinking it might be nice to be able to vote on esolangs. One could give a rating as to how clear the article is, how complete the spec, etc.... Does this sound like total chaos? :)
< 1306105142 443137 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, didn't wikipedia introduce something like that recently...
< 1306105152 733390 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Yes, I would have fixed it if IRC allowed me to edit messages, but since it’s such ancient 1980s technology, I can’t.
< 1306105165 203161 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: that's what s/// is fro :-)
< 1306105166 910238 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did? I didn’t see anything like it
< 1306105168 409110 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fro/for/
< 1306105172 932489 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/‘/’/g :-p
< 1306105191 877140 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can only imagine the chaos if IRC messages were fully editable...
< 1306105195 72822 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timwi: at the bottom of articles occasionally there's a rating panel thing.
< 1306105213 821440 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "rate the writing", "content", "sources" and then it asks you how much of an expert you think you are in that area, which is just asking for bias
< 1306105221 756734 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, can’t see it...
< 1306105231 924368 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to only pop up occasionally
< 1306105232 658392 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306105259 669379 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, anyway, I was wondering about esolangs.org, not Wikipedipa :)
< 1306105277 661131 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rating system might be interesting, but would be perfectly doable as a separate project
< 1306105288 53730 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the long tail comes in again -- who has a real opinion on the hundreds of esolangs on the wiki?
< 1306105291 922677 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an opinion on a few dozen at most
< 1306105302 747835 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose
< 1306105307 444371 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I imagine past the top N, it'd be a bit of a mush
< 1306105311 145840 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd be interested in seeing it, anyway
< 1306105325 690825 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it might work better as a "which is better: esolang X or Y?" type thing...)
< 1306105339 2735 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the main reason I thought of it is because I think the Main Page really needs a “featured esolang”, and this would be a democratic way of selecting one.
< 1306105400 231837 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to make myself dinner two hours ago, now I’m really hungry, so I think I better do it now.
< 1306105404 999269 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a featured esolang might be interesting
< 1306105414 264457 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the wiki has nearly enough traffic to keep it turning over at a decent rate were it democratic, though
< 1306105423 949825 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi-Cooking
< 1306105426 66699 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Popularpages -- it's really quite low-traffic
< 1306105456 303115 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, by linking me to that you’re making me click on some of them, making them even more popular :)
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< 1306105500 702816 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure twenty thousand views can count as popular by any measure :)
< 1306105507 145098 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Deadfish is one of the most popular articles
< 1306105509 597000 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :785 views for Funciton?! That’s surprisingly many! Who are all these people looking at it and not commenting :))
< 1306105531 404114 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REALLY NEED TO GO COOKING
< 1306105532 891211 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye :-p[
< 1306105537 283724 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\[// :-p
< 1306105658 2718 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :incomprehensibly
< 1306105737 947292 :incomprehensibly!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston
< 1306105782 868425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: maybe it's because of the golf?
< 1306105801 988022 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anagolf isn't /that/ popular, is it?
< 1306105804 992646 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it got linked on reddit
< 1306105806 78985 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR
< 1306105807 409458 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all us
< 1306105807 896428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not
< 1306105812 703409 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just made _that_ _many_ implementations
< 1306105813 662020 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1306105816 478822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306105865 763877 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words of wisdom:  infinite muffins is too expensive and nobody can afford it
< 1306105877 213859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if PopularPages registers if i only look at a diff (as often happens when browsing Recent Changes
< 1306105880 269012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1306105991 223815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no underload
< 1306106015 256154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall Chu-Carroll blogged about it, but maybe he didn't link to the wiki
< 1306106030 914035 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306106111 402206 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is thutu on there? chu-carroll blogged about that too
< 1306106133 35654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm speaking about the first page
< 1306106155 922063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1306106179 46075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck even unlambda isn't (it's #1 on the next page)
< 1306106193 634747 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah
< 1306106197 760691 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncouth viewers
< 1306106220 577962 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan how are you going to minimise Underload next? Is it TC without )? ;D
< 1306106300 877566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :) is a delimiter that matches ( so you now need to change other things too
< 1306106311 461475 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you killed the joke :(
< 1306106366 108249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was moribund from the start
< 1306106489 936842 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1306106692 575094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :|
< 1306106761 536263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article about Rapture seems like a list like the list in the article about Silly Emplosions except entirely different
< 1306106798 742959 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like, except entirely different"
< 1306106922 844165 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Yes.
< 1306107036 141007 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google have apparently started to try and capitalise domain names
< 1306107043 334520 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TvTropes now shows as "tvTropes.org"
< 1306107060 360263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :capital idea
< 1306107151 102992 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Are they based on META headings or anything like that?
< 1306107169 919803 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1306107176 736414 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be guesswork
< 1306107181 431836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think Google is messing up a lot of things over time it becomes even more mixed up from before
< 1306107192 398498 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah i can predict your opinions on google
< 1306107199 643769 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't just always camelcase the domain it seems...
< 1306107200 240842 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306107213 97049 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to capitalise the u in "UrbanDictionary"
< 1306107741 51006 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's showing off how fancily it can detect words now
< 1306107746 993680 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :by detecting words in urls and capitalizing the starts of them
< 1306107747 398655 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1306107766 249299 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok testing things with weird pronunciation it gets "deviantART" right, maybe it /is/ based on meta tags in part
< 1306107769 384972 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly
< 1306107771 156763 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares
< 1306107781 913744 :Timwi-Cooking!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Timwi
< 1306107886 198457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe TITLE or something even if not META, is also possible.
< 1306107918 667855 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, google sometimes constructs its own titles after all nowadays
< 1306107970 439133 :Timwi!~timwi@cpc2-cmbg3-0-0-cust423.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :
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< 1306108936 758731 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1306108940 554711 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1306110680 771129 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306113592 644929 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-176.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1306113592 645064 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306113732 380152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of a polyglot quine can you write?
< 1306113774 409514 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1306115354 704851 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Lawlabee
< 1306115356 234952 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​85) <@Lawlabee> Why does Monday start at 10PM on Sunday? \ 94)  hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows  'cuz it's pretty awesome. \ 95) [Warrigal] `addquote  hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows  'cuz it's pretty awesome.     [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( \ 112)  Making a small shrine to Lawlabee
< 1306115435 625733 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ths
< 1306115437 25746 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​198)  It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit!   WRONG 8 WEEKS
< 1306115460 106659 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote nya
< 1306115461 449826 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1306115470 689967 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oln
< 1306115472 180940 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1306115481 71150 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got some trigraph gaps.
< 1306115487 24681 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote nta
< 1306115488 371597 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​62)  yay fire!   * Madelon combusts spontaneously. \ 79)  i use dynamic indentation, i indent lines k times, if they are used O(n^k) times during a run of the program \ 89)  hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling \ 106)  and an AMICED
< 1306115503 354191 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 106
< 1306115504 570495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306115504 781533 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​106)  and an AMICED literal would presumably /add/ info to the source   whatever info gets added, that's the value that the AMICED doesn't contain   it's all falling into place
< 1306115686 682790 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an AMICED?
< 1306115811 670696 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is something in TURKEY BOMB (see the esolang wiki)
< 1306115839 5139 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMICED is described as "negative six sevenths of a decimal digit"
< 1306115843 905933 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recap 3 time
< 1306115870 789508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :emit 3 pacer
< 1306116443 160549 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: done
< 1306116488 270944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1306116533 71954 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306116533 780040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw pots won
< 1306116615 442243 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1306116735 820032 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1306116749 940629 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306116778 949408 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just won all the raw pots. all of them.
< 1306116827 933651 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1306116856 339413 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306117120 505181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306117120 765908 :elliott__!~elliott@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1306117397 914674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: btw if you said anything to elliott__ he probably died before it got through.
< 1306117398 320898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1306117416 861176 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last thing I said was Ok.
< 1306117458 573866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Sgeo_ -----###
< 1306117522 709552 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh wait
< 1306117530 632923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself -----###
< 1306117545 674850 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :READING COMPREHENSION, OERJAN
< 1306117625 405720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Victoria yesterday and today because it cannot go tomorrow so I go today instead. It is the good Japanese restaurant, too.
< 1306117783 594162 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 .
< 1306117830 821714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make fish miso soup including noodle, and bowl of beef and eggs and rice together, without putting too much sauce, and make tea with corn, too. Also, it is not necessary to ask them for the spoon.
< 1306117960 480729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1306117976 131599 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about that?
< 1306117983 462924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know everything about that.
< 1306118047 312630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know? Have you been to Victoria? Have you been to Japanese restaurant there? Have you been to other Japanese restaurant? Have you been in Japanese restaurant in Japan? Have you cooked it yourself?
< 1306118053 121691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am everywhere.
< 1306118135 209664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked behind my chair and I didn't find you. Do you mean in the past?
< 1306118145 824913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am invisible.
< 1306118510 629407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many hands are you holding up?
< 1306118517 854875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the hands
< 1306118519 25945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them
< 1306118525 105395 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count!
< 1306118543 414969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you count....FROREVER
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< 1306118594 449736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is the headquarters of piks
< 1306118599 301287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a new pik PIKHQ GIVE ME A FUCKING PIK
< 1306118749 622887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my GOD outside birds... why do you make sounds.
< 1306118857 839634 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bird is supposed to make sounds! And also people! And wind! And the other stuff!
< 1306118917 411751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetic.
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< 1306120111 236728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being a nihilist he's making a lot of noise
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< 1306120272 578029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: YOU ARE NOT BEING VERY DANDY AT ALL.
< 1306120296 87010 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU ARE NOT BEING VERY...
< 1306120297 339913 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1306120303 431515 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANDY, EITHER
< 1306120341 424816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT LEAST I STAY CONNECTED LIKE A TRUE NIHILIST
< 1306120370 645381 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL CONNECTIONS ARE ILLUSORY
< 1306120409 625771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE TAKING THIS VERY PERSONALLY FOR A NIHILIST
< 1306120414 49519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESPECIALLY A DANDY ONE
< 1306120451 413411 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've struck to the heart of me. I concede, sirrah.
< 1306120885 559453 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 out of 4 statisticians objected to the small sample size of this study.
< 1306120979 519664 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1306121049 674155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 out of 1 mathematicians thinks the sample size is just fine
< 1306121110 751466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also played the D&D game while at Victoria although one of the players did not play in this session because the other players did not want them to eat and make all the crumbs fall on the bed
< 1306121225 732585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1306121226 676398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1306121227 508362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1306121229 18555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking
< 1306121229 727455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :about
< 1306121230 876539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :core languages
< 1306121232 4374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;DDDD
< 1306121294 174370 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, keep on thinking
< 1306121296 899327 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1306121300 924865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT
< 1306121808 899909 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense much anger in you
< 1306121865 315711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes
< 1306121868 364969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm alls with this anger
< 1306121970 600828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can delay/force be implemented in pure Scheme...
< 1306121989 316367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1306122005 468044 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure = without mutation?  then i doubt it...
< 1306122014 322159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, pure as in without extensions
< 1306122024 778356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yeah
< 1306122026 71933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually the report provides one :-)
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< 1306122085 931963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306122095 4605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Scheme define any other "unspecified types" like it does promises, I wonder
< 1306122104 166700 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's perfectly fine for a promise to be a pair, a string, a procedure, anything
< 1306122108 896187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't actually distinguish promises portably...
< 1306122758 322894 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer's sensors claim that the +5V line out of the PSU is outputting +3.04V, and the +12V line +4.08V...
< 1306122767 27246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *highly* doubt that that's true.
< 1306122792 193639 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure my RAM would be randomised.
< 1306122816 807903 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, what's the playstation two emulation state like.
< 1306122820 405283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad?
< 1306122829 37525 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise the only thing that'll work is HLE but are there any?
< 1306122838 719631 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling suggests there's, like, a handful, but god knows how good they are.
< 1306122844 666154 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCSX2 is the only PS2 emulator.
< 1306122862 334900 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one I'm looking at -- but, er, google suggests otherwise.
< 1306122868 591159 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the only /good/ one? :P
< 1306122871 701152 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires a decent computer & graphics card, but it seems to have decent compatibility.
< 1306122879 725488 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only one that you're going to actually play games with.
< 1306122902 592646 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1306122947 152245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just buy a bunch of consoles and hook them up to a network somehow rather than trying to emulate them.
< 1306122957 129706 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're reporting 65% playability rate on the PS2 library with the latest release...
< 1306122980 942164 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually a pretty astounding feat considering how much of a fucking pain the PS2 is.
< 1306122986 565185 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only question is, will it run on this laptop?
< 1306122993 307153 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your CPU and GPU?
< 1306123016 838370 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My CPU = 2.13GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB shared L2 cache
< 1306123026 691630 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU is good enough.
< 1306123028 786532 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a MacBook Air, so it's probably not the latest Core 2 model either... (but it is the new model.)
< 1306123032 381482 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU is...
< 1306123043 352768 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3
< 1306123046 591795 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is apparently "okay".
< 1306123054 140517 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, decent chance of it working.
< 1306123058 858275 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant to be the best integrated laptop GPU or something like that, which is like being the best... mediocre thing.
< 1306123076 547633 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, it can do Minecraft on Far/Fancy with a bunch of graphical mods at >hundred fps, SO CLEARLY IT'S A SPEED DEMON.
< 1306123096 868154 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats mine.
< 1306123102 342499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, aren't PS2 games distributed on DVDs?
< 1306123106 162260 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are.
< 1306123111 979598 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a few exceptions.
< 1306123113 797603 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me they're mostly the four gig kind.
< 1306123126 12670 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the PS2 will also read PS2 games on CD-ROM; this was not much used)
< 1306123131 749218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time it would take to download 9 gigabytes exceeds the enjoyment I could possibly glean from any game.
< 1306123134 344943 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on this connection.
< 1306123135 323358 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're mostly the 4 gig kind.
< 1306123149 123710 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might give it a go later then.
< 1306123202 223309 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, this thing came out in *2000*.
< 1306123233 415624 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaaah, but it came from /Japan/ and even /they/ got it from visiting technological space aliens.
< 1306123240 790300 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the time, developers were probably having trouble thinking up ways to use 4 gigs...
< 1306123255 437269 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the exception of Square, which was probably highly tempted to make FFX a 2-disc game.
< 1306123255 624133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to Luddite space aliens that rode in on a wagon.
< 1306123302 657879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 gigs is way more than enough for most things (other than movies)
< 1306123344 41523 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: games are getting more and more cinematic...
< 1306123345 567415 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, most of the space for modern games is video and audio. Code is negligible.
< 1306123351 71659 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: If it takes too long to download, purchase the CD or DVD of it (if you have money and can find to purchase)
< 1306123359 320164 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't have a CD/DVD drive
< 1306123408 760849 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. That is one reason to download the copy from elsewise.
< 1306123411 170226 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 4 gigs is way more than enough for movies if you don't mind it being SD, and can use x264.
< 1306123420 357893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from...elsewise?
< 1306123428 504030 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, including from elsewise.
< 1306123433 488800 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: who likes SD NOT ME
< 1306123454 547976 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you want full 1080p, 4 to 8G is entirely reasonable.
< 1306123463 309311 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If and only if you can use x264, of course.
< 1306123481 639908 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure wish H.264 wasn't encumbered
< 1306123485 157699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't mind it being SD but I want to use a format that is not patented.
< 1306123504 151054 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a shame H.264 is encumbered.
< 1306123515 233153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if you're committing an act of piracy, who cares :-P
< 1306123515 824175 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because x264 is so *ridiculously* far ahead of the competition.
< 1306123537 427810 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then wait for patent to expire before using it, if it is patented
< 1306123575 33426 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Only in the past year have patents that were first made in my lifetime started to expire.
< 1306123581 253973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: speaking of x264, after the ffmpeg/libav drama I joined the channels of both and DarkShikari took the wrong side and I was sad but then I realised WOW that is a really stupid thing to be sad about and reconsidered my life decisions and it turns out I'm a terrible person, hi
< 1306123618 637458 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: DarkShikari probably took the side with the most technical merit, politics be damned.
< 1306123629 797368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both nearly identical :P
< 1306123643 932485 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH, HUMBUG.
< 1306123654 868475 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU AND YOUR "FORKS HAVEN'T DIVERGED YET"
< 1306123681 274694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just don't think i can ever use libav with the ridiculous childishness i saw on the lists
< 1306123688 418821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many games have too much movies in it, it not only uses up disk space but also time, you have to watch the movie to understand the game and you cannot skip it, too bad!
< 1306123692 127300 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Oh?
< 1306123699 818680 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: didn't i already tell you about this??
< 1306123706 623414 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think so.
< 1306123711 653847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they basically rewrote the ffmpeg website because they had the commit bit, to have them as the new core team
< 1306123715 799057 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because changing it on the website makes it true
< 1306123719 99886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game where maybe only 1% consists of audio/video and special effects on screen
< 1306123733 429664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then after this coup d'etat was reverted, they decided to "change the name of ffmpeg" (read: fork the project to get rid of the maintainer)
< 1306123736 226685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so they set up new mailing lists
< 1306123738 398197 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that games are focusing way too much on shiny bits over substance, personally.
< 1306123744 806702 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then /automatically subscribed every single person on the ffmpeg list to the new libav/
< 1306123747 347519 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then /automatically subscribed every single person on the ffmpeg list to the new libav list/
< 1306123759 856359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and then /posted on the ffmpeg list saying they were "renaming the list, so it would be shutting down in a few days"/
< 1306123762 991110 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not kidding
< 1306123775 171330 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ... *Jeeze*.
< 1306123779 708793 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coup fails? PRETEND IT DIDN'T
< 1306123780 216826 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I think so, too. Mostly because many people don't know a lot of things about game design (including mathematical things about game design, but not limited to that).
< 1306123787 181585 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork instead? PRETEND IT'S A RENAME
< 1306123799 952403 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try and technologically destroy your parent project
< 1306123803 837939 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PERFECT CRIME
< 1306123819 358646 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And not even just talking about gameplay. You can see the same thing with game plots.
< 1306123857 126203 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "Deep, involved story? Nah, let's just put a few bishōnen in the cast and spend a few extra million on CGI, and call it a day."
< 1306123885 92496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of the games industry, i can't believe telltale games are still afloat
< 1306123888 878119 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Depending on the game, some kind of game don't need too much of involved story, however.
< 1306123890 119957 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are/is whatever
< 1306123906 419172 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: True, but some kinds do.
< 1306124001 311196 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A puzzle game doesn't need a story, except for text adventure games including puzzles. I also consider text-adventure games to be the closest kind to role-playing games (such as Dungeons&Dragons), which also should have some kinds of stories although it can be modified.
< 1306124041 244895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a article about some things about computer game design, in my gopher server.
< 1306124050 812155 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would like your opinion of this article, too.
< 1306124198 700708 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure I wrote some things that some people will disagree with, although some of this disagreement will be due to not understanding it.
< 1306124300 71778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it?
< 1306124481 728687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1306124526 181611 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I was trying to ask pikhq (not you), but that is OK too, since it is public message and anyone is allowed to answer and/or complain about it.
< 1306124663 893465 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! Too bad, I forgot to write the URL(s)!!!
< 1306124680 689085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore maybe you have to guess
< 1306124782 483960 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree, that in Caverns of Zeux, you have unlimited
< 1306124793 1305 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree, that in Caverns of Zeux, you have unlimited in Caverns of Zeux, you have unlimited
< 1306124816 226223 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree, that in Caverns of Zeux, you have unlimited ammunition, which ruins this system of scoring?
< 1306124880 880742 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_,
< 1306125382 174066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com NOTICE #esoteric :(Received blank message from client)
< 1306125406 648081 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-zzo38/#esoteric- (Received blank message from client)
< 1306125652 336921 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Do you have any opinions of computer games design? Either way, make up one computer game that has its own opinions of computer games design.
< 1306125655 129569 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i take it the message was not actually blank?
< 1306125683 278217 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Message? Do you mean the message that says "(Received blank message from client)"?
< 1306125758 237443 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306125783 588273 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was not actually blank. I did type those words in.
< 1306126974 678479 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: AWAY
< 1306128592 394295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be amazing? A function that converts a Perl regex into a Parsec parser.
< 1306129146 929959 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds... horrible :P
< 1306129155 415277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec parsers are easier to write than regexps.
< 1306129766 267977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1306129912 149199 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306129922 795617 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306129925 60500 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun.
< 1306129940 83501 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic, sysrq didn't work.
< 1306130103 559388 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1306130467 197001 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is sysrq supposed to work during kernel panic? If so, how can there be a kernel panic where it doesn't work, that's scary
< 1306130565 152968 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sysrq works as long as the *keyboard driver* works.
< 1306130572 150654 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very, very low level.
< 1306130767 783913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1306131246 711536 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1306131361 856253 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Clearly we need a Sysrq that works EVEN IF THE KEYBOARD DRIVER DOESN'T
< 1306131376 592227 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morse code on the power button, perhaps?
< 1306131659 670825 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You're not going to get anything to work without some CPU modification.
< 1306131683 936452 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At minimum, an absolutely unavoidable interrupt.
< 1306131723 897734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bios could set up a system management interrupt
< 1306131745 954910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost impossible for the operating system to work around
< 1306131975 671984 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1306132004 802282 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-176.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1306132004 802401 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306132049 215387 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes but it's also impossible for it to _react_ to :D
< 1306132291 84840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put code in bios to handle the magic sysrq for every version and configuration of linux and any other operating system
< 1306132583 776223 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-5.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306132583 858200 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-5.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1306135072 840831 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wire an interrupt line to the keyboard.
< 1306135087 844108 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it unmaskable.
< 1306135091 553993 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viola.
< 1306135125 5024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it fire even if interrupts are off ;D
< 1306135133 131437 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Label the button "PANIC".
< 1306135134 92357 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1306135145 835346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306135148 775227 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1306135163 258836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1306135164 320834 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and what would it do?
< 1306135168 936659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to spend all day marking exams
< 1306135175 641524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Fire an unmaskable interrupt.
< 1306135175 760956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I came in here before the marking session starts
< 1306135180 962343 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :From.. a keyboard.
< 1306135184 181675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: get us to mark them for you, it'll be GREAT
< 1306135186 990475 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes?
< 1306135190 998442 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fun.
< 1306135193 948505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It's for when magic sysrq would fail.
< 1306135199 710519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think that would violate some sort of data protection law
< 1306135207 217800 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I SPIT ON LAW
< 1306135218 572934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, get a program to do it for you.
< 1306135225 331733 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exams?
< 1306135271 714249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first-year programming (specifically Java)
< 1306135279 964643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's more about the concepts than the languages
< 1306135281 194996 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1306135285 368172 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disappointing.
< 1306135302 614731 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the exam was written right, you could automatically grade "write code" segments, couldn't you?
< 1306135333 98902 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... is it on paper.
< 1306135336 971410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if the student got it right
< 1306135339 859247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's on paper, ofc
< 1306135342 671870 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap.
< 1306135345 518707 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No code on it, right?
< 1306135346 93714 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :D=
< 1306135352 68159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(working out how many marks to give to a partially wrong answer is hard to do automatically)
< 1306135358 658549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's code on it, it's a programming exam
< 1306135368 288921 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :On paper.
< 1306135370 59997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds nasty.
< 1306135370 663557 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1306135395 963592 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, those poor kids have to /code/ on /paper/? that's a violation of some kind of international law, isn't it?
< 1306135402 49182 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, human rights?
< 1306135419 662284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's to stop them randomly typing stuff into NetBeans in the hope of triggering the autocomplete
< 1306135424 959389 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah
< 1306135478 370817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it happen
< 1306135485 430200 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what kinds of questions are used?
< 1306135500 494831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a C programmer assuming that "sizeof" was invalid, and trying to use "size_t" instead, because "sizeof" wasn't in the autocomplete
< 1306135506 59806 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: int x = malloc size_t(sizeof). printf(x\n);
< 1306135518 463659 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 just cringed IRL
< 1306135523 132483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: some of it's about the basics; arithmetic, recursion, OO concepts (the Java version thereof), etc
< 1306135548 345665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we teach recursion before iteration here, which is a little bizarre as Java teaching goes
< 1306135572 821434 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a little dangerous.
< 1306135595 787951 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why on earth would you teach a low-level concept of recursion so early? :-)
< 1306135603 426929 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you teach them about microcode and branch prediction too? ;D
< 1306135610 97434 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly with recursion (supposedly) being harder to get, and the danger of a stack overflow with long enough loops.
< 1306135610 178275 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]the low-level
< 1306135615 982225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well.
< 1306135618 846103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no way is recursion "harder to get"
< 1306135627 624063 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the language with recursion is simpler.
< 1306135630 946488 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only people who think that are
< 1306135639 519050 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- people who haven't coded in a functional language before
< 1306135645 501515 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :if/function calls/arithmetic/etc
< 1306135645 606490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, many people seem to miss it, especially if taught iteration first
< 1306135653 528115 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- students who's problem is terrible teaching, not recursion
< 1306135658 132072 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- people who just want to whine :)
< 1306135660 907179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you see the number of ways people mess up for loops, you can see that iteration can be just as tricky
< 1306135671 113889 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, iteration is just a lower-level way of expressing the same thing.
< 1306135672 379839 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, worse than off-by-one errors?
< 1306135683 517841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being a snarky FP douchebag here; higher-order combinators are where it's at.
< 1306135687 490728 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why recurse when you can unfold?
< 1306135717 764700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-order combinators are really nasty to write in Java (although possible)
< 1306135728 151425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I wrote a couple of higher-order functions in C recently
< 1306135739 967506 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When's Java 8 going to be out anyways.
< 1306135746 219756 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda expressions would be really useful.
< 1306135751 523274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were a mess of casts as they had one of those infinite types that Haskell dislikes
< 1306135774 556546 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it's available from your local Consider The Bad Life Choices You Have Made That Have Resulted In You Programming Java store.
< 1306135791 16144 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p
< 1306135793 268755 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest Existential Crisis Two Point Oh as a useful program to go with it.
< 1306135821 391601 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Java 8's out by the time I get any kind of (Java) programming job.
< 1306135843 828655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You think they'll upgrade their infrastructure that quickly?
< 1306135845 829372 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what language do you prefer?
< 1306135848 790296 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are shops still on one-point-four.
< 1306135859 579243 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.what
< 1306135868 583414 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java onepointfour, shut up, my number keys are broken.
< 1306135875 507989 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, what language do you prefer?
< 1306135876 411802 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Java
< 1306135881 573627 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see.
< 1306135899 250072 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually a Haskell weenie :P
< 1306135913 42911 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1306135924 622931 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to get around to doing something serious with that.
< 1306135941 616900 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can be more serious than SHIRO??????
< 1306135976 183743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1306135976 580826 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1306135986 631103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Shiro, the best Funge-9eight interpreter this side of reality/
< 1306135990 970023 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written in HASKELL
< 1306135995 994116 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOUSANDS OF LINES OF VERY SERIOUS HASKELL
< 1306135998 859240 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1306136020 910199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totals grouped by language (dominant language first):
< 1306136021 276267 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell:       1264 (100.00%)
< 1306136021 485241 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What.
< 1306136025 186146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I distinctly recall it being longer.
< 1306136033 236795 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... does that actually include all of my fingerprints?
< 1306136040 253288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... that's really tiny.
< 1306136067 383137 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how your average Java shop would react to code with more functional stuff than otherwise, or clojure.jar
< 1306136081 360921 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert vague anti-clojure sentiment
< 1306136093 895876 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's probably better than scala :)
< 1306136098 727446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that seems a remarkably general objection
< 1306136105 286347 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reaction or language?
< 1306136106 982010 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1306136111 224014 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language :P
< 1306136117 798906 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, clojure?
< 1306136131 355360 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a general objection to PHP too, general-anti-language-objections aren't uncommon
< 1306136136 513221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, I mentally inserted a vague anti-clojure sentiment, then replied to it
< 1306136139 788233 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my dislike of Clojure is too mild for me really to care
< 1306136140 646860 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh
< 1306136218 719346 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1306136242 265499 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really enjoying Perl these days.
< 1306136242 756763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p:
< 1306136255 831418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I too am thoroughly enjoying being deranged.
< 1306136257 542124 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what?
< 1306136269 78188 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..yes, it's kind of like that.
< 1306136270 338170 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't mock Perl, it's like stealing the disabled parking space :(
< 1306136278 438291 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only God judges you for it.
< 1306136284 589944 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people. But mainly God.
< 1306136286 278720 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be kind of crazy to enjoy Perl.
< 1306136303 494606 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like perl in that it's hilarious
< 1306136307 837276 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it's quite nice. I decided to learn it a few weeks ago by doing a bunch of random projects with it, and so far it's been amazing.
< 1306136312 923480 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun but nightmarish
< 1306136314 926978 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is useful for golf
< 1306136331 213609 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And string processing.
< 1306136331 571713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: indeed, I too sometimes take copious amounts of drugs and end up intoxicated for several weeks in a haze of insanity.
< 1306136333 57736 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly golf.
< 1306136334 913343 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer: This is not actually the case.
< 1306136361 833730 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess from a language design standpoint it's pretty bad, but... it's so good at what it does.
< 1306136382 279978 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I will force you to use BASIC.
< 1306136390 888032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I like QBASIC. It makes me happy.
< 1306136401 566475 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic of the Visual type.
< 1306136460 237396 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but I've noticed since using Perl I've started using regex for almost every string processing task ever.
< 1306136511 362873 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess isn't really a bad thing. It's only bad when I have to use something other than Perl, I guess.
< 1306136512 576021 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: And how many problems do you have now?
< 1306136530 580683 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: none? regex is pretty easy.
< 1306136553 334557 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Nonsense, they've clearly doubled.
< 1306136559 821215 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...haha.
< 1306136563 260672 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. :P
< 1306136585 520769 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume you haven't seen the famous quote then.
< 1306136594 642459 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who suck at reading and using regex just complain when other people use regex to do amazing things.
< 1306136601 87831 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  I have, I just posit that it is wrong.
< 1306136627 912611 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read, understand, and write advanced regexps perfectly well; that doesn't mean I don't think they're not a completely awkward syntax for all but the most simple of expressions.
< 1306136675 423956 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With regexes being a part of Perl's syntax, couldn't you just break down the regex into components?
< 1306136697 433970 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean... some kind of... abstract... syntax... tree?
< 1306136762 166557 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but for most simple tasks regex beats alternatives. And really in #esolang you can't complain about awkward syntax. :D
< 1306136776 391766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may be confused as to what channel this is.
< 1306136786 696920 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh hey, I am. :P
< 1306136792 253279 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I don't do my programming in /// for a reason, so mentioning the channel name is silly :P
< 1306136801 311277 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/#esolang/#esoteric/
< 1306136812 633448 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved.
< 1306136833 246245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're lucky # isn't a metacharacter (unless the x flag is on).
< 1306136839 435262 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  well yes, it would be silly to think that regex is a programming language.
< 1306136844 631340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it is.
< 1306136848 503772 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_:  if it were I would have escaped it.
< 1306136861 18228 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It /is/, though, it's an embedded domain-specific language.
< 1306136867 619866 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a really poor syntax.
< 1306136882 56199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl six is redesigning the syntax for a reason.
< 1306136920 488090 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: technically correct, sure. But it's not turing complete unless you're in Perl. I was referring to turing complete programming languages. You know, the ones that most people think of when they hear the phrase programming language.
< 1306136937 844596 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, perl regexps are tc.
< 1306136945 174681 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, that's what I said.
< 1306137015 633458 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :though isn't it only because of the @{[]} feature? I guess that's technically not part of the regex syntax, but just perl string interpolation, actually.
< 1306137027 902499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a more explicit perl embedding thing.
< 1306137031 762235 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(??{...}) I think. ais523 knows.
< 1306137037 895480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes that's what I was thinking of.
< 1306137046 610465 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still pretty powerful even without that
< 1306137057 435670 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? is delayed execution of Perl code. Makes it possible to do recursive patterns.
< 1306137057 536718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : is delayed execution of Perl code. Makes it possible to do recursive patterns.
< 1306137059 74576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do parenthesis matching, aNbN, etc.
< 1306137065 8918 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??x
< 1306137067 153830 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? x
< 1306137067 235923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : x
< 1306137069 973722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedded Perl is actually (?{...})
< 1306137083 648405 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: also lets you write a debugger
< 1306137086 858191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(??{...}) instead embeds Perl, then interprets the result as a regex, so it was mostly used for recursion
< 1306137090 698426 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perl.plover.com/Rx/paper/
< 1306137092 557393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (?R) is the usual way to do that nowadays
< 1306137110 672837 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  oh really? not familiar with that option.
< 1306137124 166077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion by itself isn't enough to make regex TC, though, I think
< 1306137131 165478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no way to do the storage required
< 1306137155 440265 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't see how you could model a Turing machine with regex.
< 1306137248 115653 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem I would think is that it has a limited means of output. Usually a success or failure, or with s/// a substitution count.
< 1306137259 978681 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is irrelevant
< 1306137267 982593 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but memory would also be a problem
< 1306137271 600265 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated regexp is tc obviously
< 1306137274 216246 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can do bct
< 1306137313 159532 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I don't know what that acronym stands for.
< 1306137327 10998 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see wiki
< 1306137329 186602 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(esowiki)
< 1306137424 968062 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise cyclic tag? sometimes I memorise catchy acronyms and I guess that's one of them
< 1306137433 326224 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1306137458 731185 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think we have different definitions of obvious..
< 1306137470 564172 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it obvious?
< 1306137475 513001 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexps can trivially do single steps of bct
< 1306137480 700579 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeating it equates to running a bct program
< 1306137481 712158 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D.
< 1306137496 168054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do = with s/// on the combined program<>data string
< 1306137589 39218 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you repeat it within the regex?
< 1306137600 21295 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????
< 1306137606 209834 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated regexp as in regexp in a for(;;) loop.
< 1306137631 705762 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that imply that Perl regex as a language is Turing complete, if you're using a for loop?
< 1306137644 808934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1306137647 969498 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it implies repeated regexp is
< 1306137654 158042 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please look at the actual claims i'm making
< 1306137720 398733 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. you did indeed say "repeated regex", though at the time I thought that meant something completely different.
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< 1306138009 820379 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're not even talking about the turing completeness of regex anymore. derailed.
< 1306138055 946463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1306138088 72354 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306138177 624575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this calls for more beer.
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< 1306140619 301448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1306140628 204114 :Phantom_Hoover!522eeddf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.46.237.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE FAT VRISKA
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< 1306140858 129589 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad ph came to dispense his wisdom
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< 1306148130 710379 :Phantom_Hoover!522eeddf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.46.237.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:03:34:  I don't think the wiki has nearly enough traffic to keep it turning over at a decent rate were it democratic, though
< 1306148156 90954 :Phantom_Hoover!522eeddf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.46.237.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we should just select an esolang here with the RationalWiki Method Of Deciding Things.
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< 1306148929 941049 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac-fail of the day: the only replacement for hte shitty terminal app is even shittier
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< 1306151176 597371 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jw, has anyone made an interesting VM of some sort in brainfuck or similar?
< 1306151190 395411 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one that lets you program in a non-BF manner)
< 1306151243 187824 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eg, by allocating objects and storing values in them, where a value would be some sort of integer or pointer to object)
< 1306151253 654900 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1306151256 614653 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have written interpreters.
< 1306151262 912079 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vms are just interpreters of a bytecode :)
< 1306151271 213052 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and where allocation of objects will be unrestricted, thus making it turing complete)
< 1306151347 118910 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, again, that's just a specific type of interpreter :)
< 1306151354 6216 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are certainly interpreters of tc languages in bf
< 1306151396 19905 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of an example?
< 1306151513 389458 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters
< 1306151529 19731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there's a surprising lack there
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< 1306151535 243215 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they exist, but evidently not on that page :)
< 1306151546 613534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bct one still counts though
< 1306151562 304006 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also see http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/bf-source/prog/
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< 1306151572 997223 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life counts if it's infinite
< 1306151580 858408 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utm.b does obviously
< 1306151585 382055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a universal turing machine
< 1306151587 594872 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1306151604 899618 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc there is the dbfi self-interpreter :-)
< 1306151818 733652 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is MSPA Wiki so slow
< 1306151846 17485 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's my comp
< 1306151857 641099 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just having troubl with the pages for some reason
< 1306151863 834790 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ads probably.
< 1306151866 787765 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're terrible
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< 1306152822 470906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads some Coding Horror to restore his hate in humanity.
< 1306152939 577589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That was the day I officially stopped caring what version Chrome is."
< 1306152940 929661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atwood just
< 1306152942 406104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shut up
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< 1306155924 892862 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the writer of coding horror or the people's work who get featured on it restore your hate?
< 1306156078 212646 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you understand what coding horror is
< 1306156084 951463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has nothing to do with coding horrors and is nothing like the daily wtf or anything)
< 1306156096 584952 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's jeff atwood's personal insult to intelligence and humanity and, also, matter
< 1306156101 250205 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it is so bad it discredits matter.
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< 1306157882 559735 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1306157944 135382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1306157973 308425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, I still have that headache from a particularly bad answer to a question
< 1306158030 993581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the gist of what happened: the question had two functions, each of which just did arithmetic on their argument and returned the result
< 1306158050 152061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were identical except that one took an int as an argument, and the other took a double
< 1306158065 30607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was one of those questions that tests whether people know the difference between integer and floatingpoint division)
< 1306158078 421062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the question asked "do these functions return the same result?"
< 1306158086 942783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most students answered "yes" or "no" ("no" was correct)
< 1306158106 36261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this student, however, copied the question, then wrote two more functions with the same names as the first two
< 1306158116 571830 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1306158127 809355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first of the new ones had the same semantics as the first in the question, just rearranged
< 1306158128 555742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did those functions do?
< 1306158150 247942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second was identical to the first new one, except there was an extra multiplication by 2 (or rather, an existing constant was doubled)
< 1306158166 968265 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaa
< 1306158188 566969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer was along the lines of, "the first function returns the same result because I just rearranged it, the second one doesn't because it's double"
< 1306158202 850964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head is still hurting
< 1306158262 238721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I think the shock killed elliott_ too
< 1306158287 740496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1306158311 257561 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to track them down and have a breakdown while screaming "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY".
< 1306158313 291392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're alive!
< 1306158316 685421 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only barely
< 1306158330 599053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pity any logreaders who stumble across this
< 1306158382 481526 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306158384 488410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should censor it
< 1306158421 298459 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306159252 41390 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: niiiice
< 1306159350 946319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think it broke cheater__ too
< 1306159978 490874 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-176.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306160100 38170 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: still here
< 1306160104 179454 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but limping
< 1306160109 425782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ouch
< 1306160181 878525 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1306160182 590487 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1306160326 293597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, which reminds me, was there any reaction from the person advertising the rapture as to why he isn't in heaven yet?
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< 1306161952 379496 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no idea, but you should find out, it sounds interesting
< 1306161960 637856 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306163036 141132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306163138 8687 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306163327 770188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be this windy.
< 1306163679 395805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wind: West / Southwest - 20.7 mph
< 1306163686 60752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's even windier in Scotland
< 1306163844 893073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/hhsu8/its_official_i_have_no_life/
< 1306163883 570163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way half the comments are pathetic failures at self-aware humour about the fact that the poster is female.
< 1306164510 357311 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-176.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306164696 643907 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1306164701 570303 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1306165222 915588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I have had the best idea.
< 1306165247 61310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a pen, one end of which has an inked stamp saying "×10".
< 1306165258 852322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sell to physicists and engineers; make money.
< 1306165269 263187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT
< 1306165297 861633 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.123 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1306165304 352381 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We should make one for mathematicians too, although it might be hard to fit "The proof of this is left as an exercise to the reader." on.
< 1306165389 170474 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I have the most remarkable proof but this pen is too small....
< 1306165469 64817 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1306165474 680604 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fermat's last biro
< 1306165495 703719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps with the money from these inventions I can make my Ludicrously Rare Things.
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< 1306168314 58686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306169465 158161 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306169957 891991 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306170355 291199 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pleasantly surprised at some of the GNU extensions tcc can handle
< 1306170371 526287 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually does GNU's statement expressions.
< 1306170423 503397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite easy, isn't it, though?
< 1306170439 406288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :statement/expression distinctions aren't really necessary for a language
< 1306170440 723777 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1306170452 494177 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, *but* it's not exactly something you expect a minimal C compiler to do.
< 1306170754 474703 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306171341 240471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306171408 64831 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people ask me questions such as "Practicing writing shitty programs with shitty tools originally intended as jokes and only actually implemented because computer geeks have no sense of humor? ... why would you want to practice that? "?
< 1306171469 520812 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-49-114.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1306171488 763275 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't half the point of esolangs that they're fun to fuck around with?
< 1306171522 408570 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-108-245.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306171555 276720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I think so
< 1306171677 684804 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I write shitty TeX program?
< 1306171685 270137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/24383/254898.aspx#254898
< 1306172024 396283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what you *you* think??????????????????????????????
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< 1306172819 891868 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfqasdfqasdfqasdfqasdfQASDFAFQASFQWQSDFQASFDSDWQASFQ
< 1306172880 94567 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: What do you mean by that?
< 1306172941 691256 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1306172943 176114 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my question
< 1306173162 236061 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is happening here?   http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/desktopdesktop.png
< 1306173173 32084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: not my computer)
< 1306173192 280609 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows.
< 1306173228 235038 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes that is one part of it.
< 1306173265 97611 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the user installed Microsoft Office? I mean, offices typically have lots of desks...
< 1306173370 28306 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened is that zzo38 a desk
< 1306173372 566885 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he a top
< 1306173376 897820 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P.
< 1306173419 916197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god has elliott_'s radiant smoothness claimed another life,
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< 1306173503 696744 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many hands am I holding up in 5 seconds from now?
< 1306173511 437217 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swezsolp][;
< 1306173511 549303 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'/\
< 1306173528 427926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Count!
< 1306173550 675155 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words
< 1306173569 103047 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.153.109 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1306173580 311564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, was the IRC channel the idiot mentioned #esoteric?
< 1306173672 28341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no.
< 1306173711 445195 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :">Most people that use it use LaTeX (or XePDFeLaTeX or whatever)
< 1306173711 526446 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... obviously most people use thing nobody except open source freaks have ever heard of."
< 1306173711 998879 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1306173714 891423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy cant actually read can he
< 1306173732 708981 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306173750 88503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has soiled the good image of the pangolin.
< 1306173814 70792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest we gang up on him.
< 1306173845 111135 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being stupid is its own punishment
< 1306173851 483375 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe the punishment isnt harsh enough
< 1306173856 692089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1306173879 371706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't feel I "know" any languages. JavaScript has been my bread and butter for like 6 years now, and I still learn new things about it."
< 1306173886 621915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :— pangolin despoiler.
< 1306174132 77208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't mention any IRC channel, but was refering to the mention of +TEXNICARD
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< 1306175501 999445 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All he [SpectateSwamp]rebukes with is something about us being perfect-perfects and that UNIX somehow prevents "the common people" from sharing knowledge.
< 1306175583 656591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned SpectateSwamp in here?
< 1306175585 822194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you!
< 1306175621 251862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SpectateSwamp?
< 1306175636 65626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have aroused EMOTIONS in ais, so it must be IMPORTANT.
< 1306175896 746282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I have mentioned that UNIX already has enough things (you might add a few more minor things) to do most of the stuff needed that you do not need SSDS (a badly designed program anyways). He has claimed the "random" feature is important for viewing photographs in a 5000+ family photo album. In Linux try this:   display `ls | shuf | head -1`
< 1306175955 497433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I guess, shuf -n1
< 1306175957 675189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seriously, you don't want to know
< 1306175970 631791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try not to take SpectateSwamp seriously
< 1306175975 666159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might believe what he's saying, but most people don't
< 1306176000 519221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rebutting his points is kind-of pointless, as he mostly won't care and everyone else can see the problems with them already
< 1306176047 618287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you're really curious, I imagine you can discover all you need to know via Google, although I admit I haven't actually tried
< 1306176093 529082 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googlehit #4 (for me, anyway): "Download Spectate Swamp Search full keygen crack serial patch"
< 1306176120 153459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly this:     display `shuf -en1 *.jpg`
< 1306176168 715683 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name sounds eerily familiar, but I can't recall any details. (Maybe a coping mechanism of some sort?)
< 1306176226 348004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A keygen or crack is not necessary, it is open source (public domain), although he failed to package it correctly, even when told how to do so.
< 1306176302 250796 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306176328 667754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to be involved in desktop searching?
< 1306176345 404944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one of the first results is "Is SpectateSwamp a real person?"
< 1306176378 285517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SSDS isn't exactly... a typical desktop search program
< 1306176396 834774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves video cameras
< 1306176414 700172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thestupidestmanonearth.com/
< 1306176435 474845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unfortunate domain name
< 1306176458 977408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not true, given that there are probably about 2.5 billion men, and it's unlikely that the very stupidest would be known
< 1306176464 885725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's a UFO conspiracy theorist.
< 1306177246 604294 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306178413 887308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way he calls a leaf an artifact.
< 1306178421 625524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*artefact
< 1306178485 963028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306178641 659271 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a magi
< 1306178642 176053 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c
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< 1306178777 513394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : how dare you! <-- How very unlike your usual safe
< 1306178780 767988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1306178781 719189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :self*
< 1306178794 48689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo
< 1306178827 827677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unconscious wisdom
< 1306178831 527382 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wesrdtfyguhijokplo[p;]'
< 1306178832 526447 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\
< 1306178839 852329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's self plays it safe
< 1306178841 691677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it involves video cameras <-- eh?
< 1306178851 614976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I said earlier that you didn't wnat to know
< 1306178853 575972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was serious
< 1306178862 729011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, conspiracy theory?
< 1306178878 235831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without a conspiracy theory
< 1306178898 742598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, why a desktop search program would involve video cameras
< 1306178922 907741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so it is just an utterly stupid idea?
< 1306178936 704560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much
< 1306178941 779123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306178958 386766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the exam answer I discussed in here earlier probably beats it
< 1306178960 350687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but no I can't think of a reason for video cameras unless you search by body gestures
< 1306178960 637665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it might, if it searched your _physical_ desktop
< 1306178968 157071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1306178973 768401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be useful
< 1306178987 886418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : although the exam answer I discussed in here earlier probably beats it <-- I missed this, tell me
< 1306179046 739778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://pastie.org/pastes/1961483/text?key=xlk9mmy5zajpdmfwtp2fza
< 1306179048 256931 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm usually a Haskell weenie :P <-- except you whine at haskell for not being dependently typed :)
< 1306179053 773714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when you
< 1306179054 813561 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSHHHHHHH
< 1306179103 924683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you cycle back to haskell because all the dependent languages are unusable for practical programming, right?
< 1306179121 800616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. maximising suddely decided that it is okay to maximise under the top menu bar of gnome
< 1306179124 872339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!
< 1306179146 24746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be due to messy dual screen setup with one screen above the other. Not sure
< 1306179199 256390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: http://pastie.org/pastes/1961483/text?key=xlk9mmy5zajpdmfwtp2fza <--- how... did you phrase that question?
< 1306179205 797998 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that could happen
< 1306179210 343479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't me who wrote the question
< 1306179219 58015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was phrased very straightforwardly
< 1306179223 498434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306179226 678124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer given didn't fit any remotely sane interpretation of the question
< 1306179270 381866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, failed I guess
< 1306179294 769707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't get any marks for that question
< 1306179306 200908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1306179316 739996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only marked one question, and didn't check to see what marks they got for other questions
< 1306179318 766725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am not hopeful
< 1306179330 379841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so someone else marked the other questions?
< 1306179334 827177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1306179342 272366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes?
< 1306179345 210181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we marked one question each, rather than a portion of the scripts each, to keep things consistent
< 1306179350 999325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306179357 405947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :many students?
< 1306179361 719937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : That... that's really tiny. <-- you are surprised that haskell is compact? :P
< 1306179379 945194 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well istr it being like three thousand lines before but then i remember that that was with my multiple copies hanging around the place..
< 1306179382 673307 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]place...
< 1306179385 52082 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1306179388 459725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was he commenting about
< 1306179390 578719 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the core thing being a thousand lines
< 1306179394 246106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but including the fingerprints??
< 1306179395 764252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shiro
< 1306179398 583980 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah
< 1306179400 761687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not much over a thousand lines in total
< 1306179404 287616 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including fingerprints
< 1306179405 737700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nice
< 1306179416 244600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so haskell is 9 times as compact as C roughly
< 1306179451 162613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaat... I started getting weird colour bleeding along the edge of the scanner bed
< 1306179462 648132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :think flower power style and you are thinking along the right lines
< 1306179483 103690 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well cfunge is a bit more optomized. :p
< 1306179494 719762 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to implement a Supah Smart fungespace once I have a bunch of fingerprints down, though.
< 1306179508 496467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, then the code will probably grow yes
< 1306179512 216206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what about TRDS?
< 1306179517 817798 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i plan trds
< 1306179518 334615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, also good luck beating CCBI
< 1306179532 611625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can, i'll even do the windows-only ones (for windows only ofc)
< 1306179548 893329 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mvrs might be... uh
< 1306179550 91642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1306179642 42795 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if optomus was ever correct latin
< 1306179664 606892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall seeing some strange vowel changes in those superlatives
< 1306179725 272836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306179733 952390 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306179823 644742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... probably related to ops "power, resources" (in which case the evolution is from "richest" to "the most esteemed") or to ob "in front of," with superlative suffix *-tumos."
< 1306179837 303729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it may very well have been optumus at one point
< 1306179946 581894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they have this ridiculously complete latin dictionary at the library but that would involve me actually going there
< 1306179962 345976 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disapprove. Phantom Hoover 11:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
< 1306179962 569919 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disapprove to WHAT? You could be a bit more precise. And since many people have written BF derivates, this is a good extension. Also, in general, it is just an esoteric language like "Ook", so nobody has to APPROVE to an esoteric language. If you have CONSTRUCTIVE critique, please let me know and I will think about how to improve this work. Me personally I like the idea that BF can communicate with other processes/computers to work on a doulbe-I/O ("3D"
< 1306179962 651790 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :). --87.165.157.233 18:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
< 1306179969 34400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's a bit sensitive about their bf derivative ;D
< 1306180011 398328 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MVRS should be relatively easy with your Haskell since you don't have global state
< 1306180011 759125 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the etymology of Latin optumus / optimus and the reflex of PIE " indeed it was
< 1306180014 448219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extension can be implemented in other Brainfuck derivates like ClearBF (ClearBF with NetFuck extension)
< 1306180017 730491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>clearbf
< 1306180019 528255 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow.
< 1306180274 743348 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll have to admit, I'm totally ignorant on this matter, but I was under the impression that a 32-bit application would still need to treat the address space of graphics memory as a 32-bit integer and the runtime is also generally agnostic to exactly where this memory is stored, which means if you have, say, 3Gb of standard memory used up, you actually can only make use of 1Gb of the video card memory, whether it's shader code or what have you."
< 1306180281 471783 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: confirm that that's bullcrap?
< 1306180287 794322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i think you should put quote marks around you talk page quotes, my {{unsigned}} reflex triggered a bit there
< 1306180291 277207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your
< 1306180294 972701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading thedailywtf's forums because... i'm a masochist i guess
< 1306180295 930553 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: meh
< 1306180330 731896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: a single process could only access 4GiBytes of memory total without remapping
< 1306180335 778420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite different from what's written there
< 1306180353 643340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shader code would probably be using a different memory map from the main logic of the program, for instance, due to running on a GPU
< 1306180369 45731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was using a software GPU emulation, like the pure-software versions of Mesa
< 1306180369 709795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I like the way the guy thinks that networking consists of a 2-way pipe.
< 1306180383 654364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if really necessary, it could spin off a child process to access more memory
< 1306180406 314927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows XP does genuinely work as described in many versions, but it's to provide an incentive to people to upgrade rather than because it has to work that way
< 1306180412 959507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are versions where it does it correctly)
< 1306180578 48361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306180723 480057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does that mean GPU running code always counts as a different process to the CPU running one, or not?
< 1306180731 443981 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from
< 1306180872 817387 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's not about process, it's about binary image
< 1306180905 900519 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 32 bit architecture can only perform jumps to stuff that's a 32-bit pointer away from the base address... or something like that. i barely know asm.
< 1306180998 336999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know _that_ much
< 1306181034 226321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming this is about 32 bit applications running on a 64 bit architecture
< 1306181076 69801 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means different processes can map things independently.
< 1306181090 114785 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're confused
< 1306181097 807046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he isn't.
< 1306181100 521158 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 32-bit architecture can have more than 4gb ram too
< 1306181115 237218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a pure 32-bit architecture by definition.
< 1306181135 631229 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, but sort of irrelevant here i think
< 1306181140 110657 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's someone who's not talking with you elliott
< 1306181163 212288 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well the basic idea is the same
< 1306181167 473720 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh if the GPU can have a different map, can any thread in the process?
< 1306181169 661247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and there's someone who's nitpicking and wasting everyone's time.
< 1306181216 951705 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i don't think stuff being run on the gpu is seen as a process in windows xp.
< 1306181276 468419 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306181279 272153 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe, i guess since the gpu is mainly for interacting with video
< 1306181313 95157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nevertheless different process need to share the gpu
< 1306181316 692405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*es
< 1306181359 801610 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a different program, yes. but it's not a process. it's just like the firmware in your network card isn't seen as a process.
< 1306181380 247412 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much a separate computer inside your computer.
< 1306181398 549136 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it all passes through the kernel
< 1306181412 903618 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define "passes through the kernel"?
< 1306181424 506395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not for xp, no
< 1306181441 569664 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel isn't scheduling the program on the gpu
< 1306181444 544538 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that i mean user processes don't have permission to run gpu code directly
< 1306181455 544540 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think they do
< 1306181479 449216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, I like the way the guy thinks that networking consists of a 2-way pipe. <-- arguably that is the abstraction that is provided by tcp
< 1306181483 513787 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never programmed gpus, but i remember reading somewhere that it's a big security flaw.
< 1306181489 802211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case how does the gpu separate code from different processes... ah.
< 1306181492 56825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a static 2-way pipe.
< 1306181498 297563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which cannot be controlled in any way.
< 1306181509 707133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is simply a static connection between two programs.
< 1306181510 973146 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there isn't "code from different processes"
< 1306181515 677122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, *blink*
< 1306181521 599674 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok a big security flaw, i guess that would make sense if the gpu doesn't have a process distinction
< 1306181550 157048 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you're running shaders, or you're doing 2d stuff through a driver which runs shaders.
< 1306181558 517932 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's like a global lock.
< 1306181564 768638 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think GPUs are multitasking.
< 1306181572 315923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think Windows XP does genuinely work as described in many versions, but it's to provide an incentive to people to upgrade rather than because it has to work that way <-- eh?
< 1306181578 95288 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306181624 232254 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you're asking something similar to "how does the hard drive know which program the file came from, otherwise it can't prevent viruses from replicating"
< 1306181706 109229 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and my brother's character now manage to have not only the same number of experience points, but also the same number of hit points. And the same grapple modifier, and even the same weight. However, most things are different.
< 1306181724 858114 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr
< 1306181727 392806 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :grappling.
< 1306181729 199832 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries
< 1306181750 864015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't grappling rules quite a PITA.
< 1306181756 341535 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1306181841 129744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there was some nice lampshading of that in darths & droids
< 1306181891 963580 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the only one in the game that has used grapple so far, I think three times in total so far.
< 1306181908 340595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes indeed
< 1306181923 489058 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i always read that comic book's domain as "darth sand droids"
< 1306181925 945157 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno why.
< 1306181947 662119 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes me think r2d2 + sand people + darth maul
< 1306181960 583132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1306181962 309499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never made any other melee attacks though. I have used ranged attacks three times, all of them magic, once by accident, and once when I knew it wouldn't hit anyways.
< 1306182031 925671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0232.html
< 1306182212 419986 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Apparently movie theater chains in the US have started running their projectors dim to save on electricity and bulb replacement costs...
< 1306182226 224043 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand the reasons for any of this (apparently strange) things?
< 1306182253 835208 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... My shitty LCD monitor may well have better video quality than a theater's setup by now.
< 1306182301 717795 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0343.html and http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0344.html (including the expanded version)
< 1306182345 305135 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my cheap-ass PC speakers definitely have better audio quality. (they tend to have very, very poorly calibrated surround sound, with *notable clipping*)
< 1306182407 623260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not like that in Sweden
< 1306182412 388827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about light level
< 1306182419 265204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the sound is usually okay
< 1306182457 722306 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AMPLIFY THE SUBWOOFER!" seems to be their attitude.
< 1306182513 40602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :movie sound is usually way too loud here, but otherwise ok
< 1306182594 317528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of: with ear plugs I doubt the quality would be the same, and at these sound levels you really should be using ear plugs...
< 1306182633 245567 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the pricing is such that it'd be much cheaper to buy the damned DVD, even if you intend to watch it only once ever...
< 1306182643 508717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AMPLIFY THE SUBWOOFER!" seems to be their attitude.
< 1306182652 756863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jesus don't get me started on movie volumes.
< 1306182700 834330 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL|afk
< 1306182746 67390 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It really, truly isn't the filmmaker's doing.
< 1306182766 138821 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:29:45  elliott_: none? regex is pretty easy.
< 1306182766 220529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30:07  CakeProphet: Nonsense, they've clearly doubled.
< 1306182771 867019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no contradiction here
< 1306182772 636746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah "movie" was the wrong choice.
< 1306182781 992942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cinema" is what I meant.
< 1306182826 959746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : true, but for most simple tasks regex beats alternatives. And really in #esolang you can't complain about awkward syntax. :D
< 1306182843 734335 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize most esolangs have a completely trivial syntax, parserly speaking
< 1306182885 796272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a lot of brainfuck implementers don't even bother separating parsing and running...
< 1306182948 883437 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing is probably the most boring part of implementing any language
< 1306183004 209089 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing Brainfuck is pretty dang trivial, though.
< 1306183026 440111 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even hand-writing a recursive descent parser isn't much effort.
< 1306183075 501386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just barely complicated enough not to be regular
< 1306183094 247320 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1306183132 678763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing brainfuck you barely even need a parser
< 1306183159 433764 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/barely/don't/
< 1306183160 888315 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually compile it with sed if you don't mind having a trivial compiler.
< 1306183170 517753 :TLUL|afk!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left NICK :TLUL
< 1306183189 659116 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only really *need* a parser for it if you want to do optimisations.
< 1306183201 912147 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(beyond the obvious RLE optimisations and such, that is)
< 1306183212 686261 :eduviges!~edubra200@186-184-176-228.genericrev.telcel.net.ve JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306183243 849277 :eduviges!~edubra200@186-184-176-228.genericrev.telcel.net.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1306183324 378233 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.
< 1306183326 702970 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306183327 173981 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.
< 1306183336 713839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ve?
< 1306183337 514107 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is about programming,
< 1306183357 766923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Venezuela.
< 1306183402 816951 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1306183496 96581 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306183615 74109 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :holaaaaaaaaaa eduviges
< 1306183636 33891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night.
< 1306183811 926101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the more I listen to it the more I am convinced that the Homestuck music is primarily an exercise in combinatorics.
< 1306183837 288396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the songs are either leitmotifs or are recombinations of leitmotifs.
< 1306183844 343900 :eduviges!~edubra200@186-184-176-228.genericrev.telcel.net.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :me puedes hablar español
< 1306183882 998479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably going to have a hard time finding anyone who can speak Spanish around here.
< 1306183899 916001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I pity any logreaders who stumble across this
< 1306183902 375724 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1306183902 883676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if it was /Finnish/...
< 1306183923 304194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait he's not here
< 1306183931 196345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanted to cash in some pity
< 1306184074 212873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What date?
< 1306184085 593824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :date?
< 1306184106 205817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was today.  maybe that doesn't count as stumbling...
< 1306184147 354107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if anyone but elliott does random logreading
< 1306184254 517803 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke*
< 1306184293 814749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: We should make one for mathematicians too, although it might be hard to fit "The proof of this is left as an exercise to the reader." on.
< 1306184310 227576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an end of proof square...
< 1306184322 809634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm not sure if anyone but elliott does random logreading
< 1306184336 702146 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait elliott actually went to bed?
< 1306184339 546228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes do when trapped in Ireland with nothing but the hg logs.
< 1306184348 538821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he hasn't slept since yesterday.
< 1306184360 531980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are frequently trapped in ireland, then?
< 1306184380 166362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to have been up all night crying into his keyboard at Sgeo_ reading Homestuck.
< 1306184399 999696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306184411 455787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, because my parents have this strange urge to spend time with their family.
< 1306184426 420722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are all in Ireland because they have no sense.
< 1306184452 624404 :eduviges!~edubra200@186-184-176-228.genericrev.telcel.net.ve PART :#esoteric
< 1306184486 264716 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adios
< 1306184492 304786 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssssssssssssssssssssss
< 1306184580 549190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boom*
< 1306185027 819331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me that TeXnicard is a bad program and I am bad at user interface design, because the description on the repository mentions IRC. Like, what? How does mentioning IRC on the repository (not in the program itself!) make it a bad program?
< 1306185087 569840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do some people come in this channel they try to speak Spanish or whatever and cannot understand the other things?
< 1306185277 427164 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the game "End is a Finnish word"?
< 1306185428 57464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i strongly doubt that end is a finnish word.
< 1306185450 316942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seeing as it's ending in a consonant combination)
< 1306185487 613725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I also doubt it. That isn't the point of the game. You write things on a chalkboard such as "End is a Finnish word", "Boolean is a Andoran word", and so on; they do not have to be correct statements.
< 1306185500 169118 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1306185516 546312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean being andorran sounds more likely
< 1306185602 734186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1306185611 307341 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​IDOOK
< 1306185622 843499 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idook is clearly an eskimo word
< 1306185627 609805 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1306185632 739379 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​NXL
< 1306185644 864651 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nxl must be aztec
< 1306185650 16231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1306185655 556755 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​UI
< 1306185673 466031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ui is probably hawaiian
< 1306185675 563179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1306185680 727794 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​GISYO
< 1306185697 652510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to not understanding this game
< 1306185699 361261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt you could _get_ more japanese than that
< 1306185699 572059 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-176.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306185699 653349 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-176.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1306185699 653493 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306185711 497271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you are making a different game.
< 1306185714 106996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is why i'm making one up
< 1306185717 861087 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro
< 1306185722 913640 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​IQFBS
< 1306185735 554794 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What algorithm is used for making up these words?
< 1306185743 608962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show simpleacro
< 1306185744 263113 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; main = do {len <- pick [2..10]; putStrLn =<< (replicateM len $ pick ['A'..'Z'])} where pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!)
< 1306185766 289958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1306185791 784701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iqfbs, i got nothing.  maybe related to iqbal?
< 1306185799 722281 :aune_!~arne@bishibosh.lysator.liu.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306185868 780827 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1306185870 215432 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read of a bit different algorithm that uses d6 and d20 dice, which I have used to make up the name of my D&D characters; the last time I used it, I came up with the name "BIDAKIQUOOD"
< 1306185880 601688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Int -> [a] -> IO [a]
< 1306185880 716468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude drop :: Int -> [a] -> [a]
< 1306185880 855282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude take :: Int -> [a] -> [a]
< 1306185880 936618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List drop :: Int -> [a] -> [a]
< 1306185900 662222 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with dice is also possible to come up with a blank name, with a single letter name, or any length at all.
< 1306185907 331989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that has a vowel preference
< 1306185930 152593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a cv syllable pattern
< 1306185941 383223 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, the algorithm with dice does have a vowel preference. d6 is used to select what kind (consonant, vowel, end), d6 selects vowels, and d20 selects consonants.
< 1306185963 375385 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well that haskell code is for acronyms, not names, so pronouncability isn't an issue
< 1306186000 259815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I guessed, that is what "acro" might be short for
< 1306186051 55444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can see what the code does even though I do not know how to program anything in Haskell at all
< 1306186091 421680 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the pick definition above could easily be used to make your version too (in fact it's a little surprising nothing like pick is in the haskell Data.Random library
< 1306186094 303081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1306186097 750967 :Faaizaan!~faaizaan@119.160.126.100 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306186146 272974 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the way the one with dice works, if you roll 6 on the first d6 roll for each letter, is the end of the word, otherwise you continue.
< 1306186165 521501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1306186201 764996 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you roll 6 immediately you get a length 0 word?
< 1306186209 131183 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes.
< 1306186231 850885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, this algorithm is not a particularly good one, but someone invented it and I still used it to make up the names
< 1306186298 775678 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roll 1d6, if 6, stop. If 1 2 3, make a vowel. If 4 5, make consonant. For vowel, 1d6 makes 1=A 2=E 3=I 4=O 5=U 6=Y, for consonant, 1d20 makes all the other letters in alphabetical order 1=B to 20=Z.
< 1306186484 615186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) : [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186510 509898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306186646 3990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word :: IO String; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) : [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186666 599465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1306186683 280459 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word :: IO String; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) : [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186760 380318 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell
< 1306186762 998126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1306186777 321220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word :: IO String; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186804 422408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot seems to be straining
< 1306186806 894064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi
< 1306186807 702032 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi
< 1306186836 209692 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi
< 1306186836 912872 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi
< 1306186863 740414 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When typing !haskell by itself I got a DCC CHAT message, when I connected by "nc codu.org 10078" I got ":1:116: Not in scope: `Main.main'"
< 1306186880 717637 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you have any such message?
< 1306186893 610109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have got several, although not for the last one
< 1306186899 647781 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have just timed out
< 1306186917 72427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word :: IO String; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186921 659127 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​RY
< 1306186934 632736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it must
< 1306186945 6128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also programmed this algorithm in TI-92 calculator as well
< 1306186958 396987 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186977 417699 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word :: IO String; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186982 3018 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​FI
< 1306186990 30165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: heh, i think i programmed a name generator on my hp-28 once
< 1306186993 326041 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word :: IO String; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306186997 969693 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​YUI
< 1306187002 541270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not the same algorithm
< 1306187013 736830 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it simply times out occasionally
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< 1306187017 183025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you save the program in EgoBot?
< 1306187041 184697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp simplename haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn =<< word; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306187042 77247 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter simplename installed.
< 1306187047 565871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename
< 1306187052 609307 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​N
< 1306187064 508827 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't look very long these names
< 1306187094 583283 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they do get longer, although maybe it is too slow to make longer names I don't know
< 1306187098 241995 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename
< 1306187103 153646 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​N
< 1306187109 981101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename
< 1306187114 932237 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​RORACFZPOEZXYOOUEE
< 1306187117 576087 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306187119 146953 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name
< 1306187123 8773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Now it is longer.
< 1306187148 896653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will use that name if I need to make up the next my D&D character.
< 1306187156 640991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not, i found it unlikely that the timeout was because of the running time anyway ( EgoBot recompiles each time, and that's probably what takes time )
< 1306187195 805974 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you save it, will it still recompile each time?
< 1306187205 299710 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1306187246 863278 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot doesn't know the difference between compilers and interpreters
< 1306187287 965044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make it compile only once if put on HackEgo?
< 1306187311 33507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i realized - it's not timeout, it's just when it generates an empty string
< 1306187311 523380 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current character does psionics and pact magic. I like the "Subjunctive TV" kind of pact magic.
< 1306187331 691519 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is 1/6 to do so
< 1306187333 712275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot makes no output when the program doesn't
< 1306187504 46008 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit confusing, maybe change it to check after generating the letter
< 1306187519 386858 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, terminate with a period, is another way
< 1306187527 145074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe
< 1306187535 355874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp simplename
< 1306187535 871593 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter simplename deleted.
< 1306187562 592731 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-225.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1306187567 807451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp simplename haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!); main = putStrLn . (++".") =<< word; word = join . pick $ replicate 3 (liftM2 (:) vowel word) ++ replicate 2 (liftM2 (:) consonant word) ++ [return ""]; vowel = pick "AEIOUY"; consonant = pick "BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ"
< 1306187568 366728 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter simplename installed.
< 1306187575 371983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simplename
< 1306187579 783836 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​QGYQKF.
< 1306187958 998389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It seems to have aroused EMOTIONS in ais, so it must be IMPORTANT. <-- we are doomed, aren't we
< 1306188297 707183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, worse
< 1306188360 400861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, we are facing an imminent invasion of wind-blown leaves, it appears.
< 1306188376 856023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1306188396 486793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that would be even worse than the ash
< 1306188415 176931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine what this would do to aircrafts
< 1306188416 76825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we just had the rapture, so a little general destruction is to be expected
< 1306188424 845667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ah, the clouds are in on it too.
< 1306188447 106902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed. The situation looks dire to say the least.
< 1306188480 913721 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-166-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306188650 869489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-163-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1306188666 976129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the video artifacts.
< 1306189305 527050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1306189429 281232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading a book about shogi once, most things written there are reasonable, except that one sentence ended with "and softee, softee catchee monkey." and it didn't match the rest of that sentence.
< 1306189519 969184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like some wikipedia vandalism
< 1306189545 357955 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1306189554 340057 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some Wikipedia vandalism has like that, but this was a book
< 1306189580 279863 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1306189629 223887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is a wikibook.
< 1306189653 753847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is a normal book by one author.
< 1306190392 198198 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfhashdflaksdfajdfh stupid wikia
< 1306190431 81677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorry is there any other adjective that can precede 'Wikia'?
< 1306190441 402271 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"retarded"
< 1306190562 158929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP_lZaOchE0
< 1306190567 406617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god I must try this.
< 1306190575 846127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn sixth-years.
< 1306191174 680557 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1306191773 549450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Wedding rings are the world's smallest handcuffs.
< 1306192081 478522 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric
< 1306192645 272195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5_9z1TxUfg
< 1306192650 274567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god these people are nuts.
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< 1306195460 533132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1306195463 76694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1306196339 851704 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am highly amused by Homestuck reaction videos
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< 1306211799 25749 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between $ and . and not having either in haskell?
< 1306211804 588326 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have some mental confusion over them
< 1306211836 186966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can define them easily if you don't have them
< 1306211860 497088 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f . g) x = f (g x)
< 1306211867 308618 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ x = f x
< 1306211883 496707 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :the confusion comes from the associativity of ($)
< 1306211884 942538 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1306211885 74366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixr 0 $
< 1306211889 869637 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ g $ h $ x
< 1306211898 169500 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :is equivalent to f . g . h $ x
< 1306211924 966708 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :f $ (g $ (h $ x))
< 1306211928 825529 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f . g . h) $ x
< 1306211954 685942 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on one hand, you're just doing boring function application (and avoiding a couple of parentheses in some cases)
< 1306211963 223301 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other you're building a reusable "function chain"
< 1306211969 738752 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latter case
< 1306211972 68605 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could easily say
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< 1306211979 93914 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :newFunction = f . g . h
< 1306211987 298512 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :and refactor the other expression to be newFunction x
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< 1306212098 438458 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I said newFunction = f $ g $ h $
< 1306212152 149026 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't write sections like that
< 1306212164 780745 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?f $ ?g $ ?h $)
< 1306212165 409063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The operator `$' [infixr 0] of a section
< 1306212165 511733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1306212165 593754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :          namely `$' [infixr 0]
< 1306212184 502404 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-214.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you're thinking of is more like ((f $ g $ h) $)
< 1306212195 206699 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((?f $ ?g $ ?h) $)
< 1306212195 453479 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in general the x may not be as simple as a single operand
< 1306212195 848484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b a1 b1. (?h::a, ?g::a -> b, ?f::b -> a1 -> b1) => a1 -> b1
< 1306212199 232167 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm!
< 1306212209 554451 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that doesn't work
< 1306212222 494351 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-203-214.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Baah.
< 1306212225 516164 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1306212233 911423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a missing flexibility in sections that might have been useful to have
< 1306212249 932959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not for that particular case
< 1306212270 178850 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say it's annoying to have to write ((f . g) .) instead of (f . g .)
< 1306212368 307779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might have wanted (2 + 3 *)
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< 1306212474 787544 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw (. f . g) is fine, but both cannot be regardless of how you define .'s associativity)
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< 1306212898 838523 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just took 300mg melatonin
< 1306212908 705025 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know no one cares, and I don't care that no one cares.
< 1306212933 461841 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a severe violation of your privacy, i'm afraid i may have to ban you
< 1306213297 922686 :pukey!~pukey@unaffiliated/pukey PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 mg melatonin is going to make you teh greatest rockstar ever.
< 1306213918 356041 :pukey!~pukey@unaffiliated/pukey PART :#esoteric
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< 1306214101 891914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit weird having my computer actually wired up for TV watching.
< 1306214130 304703 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm really bored... Maybe I'll watch some TV or something. [1 minute later] Oh, right, TV sucks."
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< 1306214322 61548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-220-196.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to Youtube with me.
< 1306214547 49527 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, according to Harold Camping, it was a spiritual rapture, the world's ending in 5 months
< 1306214571 871649 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_apocalypse_saturday
< 1306214622 747155 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'spiritual rapture'
< 1306214631 213719 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the earthquake metaphorical too?
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< 1306214778 381786 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may have used the term "Judgement Day", not "rapture"
< 1306214781 973529 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
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< 1306216602 121880 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that $foo and @foo are two different variables. It also means that $foo[1] is a part of @foo, not a part of $foo. This may seem a bit weird, but that's okay, because it is weird
< 1306216606 131664 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol'd.
< 1306216955 808523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306217120 114830 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-194-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Perling?
< 1306217126 871187 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_:  yes, quite a bit these days.
< 1306217149 678501 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most fun I've had programming in a while.
< 1306217324 141362 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has a lot of interesting concepts. Like context, for example
< 1306217391 143095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306217921 511851 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of Termnology for Memorable Paper Titles: A Case Study: "The Non-Bayesian Restless Multi-Armed Bandit: A Case of Near-logarithmic Regret"
< 1306217922 124802 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-194-216.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has every concept.
< 1306217997 857219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logarithmic regret doesn't sound too bad
< 1306218006 251590 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if it were exponential...
< 1306218014 338766 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :title doesn't have enough references to movies
< 1306218016 881607 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not read paper
< 1306218050 636855 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Good, the Bad, and the Aversion to papers whos' titles fail to reference movies
< 1306218208 887773 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Contextual-Return-0.003001/lib/Contextual/Return.pm
< 1306218218 746407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god... and here I thought there was only list, scalar, and void context.
< 1306218657 638409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm actually considering to temporarily set aside my hate for perl to play with that thing
< 1306218821 84835 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think you should only love Perl before you try to use that particular module.
< 1306218842 864077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it -for-
< 1306218843 784008 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your own sake.
< 1306218871 587894 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It allows you to control the behavior/return-value of a subroutine based on its calling context.
< 1306218891 160224 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, as in...whether the result is going into a variable or not?
< 1306218891 769154 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wantarray is a built-in that does something similar, but that module has a few more features for special contexts.
< 1306218901 272491 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scalar and void
< 1306218904 805704 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :list is when it's being applied over a list?
< 1306218914 96226 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :list is when it's in.... a list context.
< 1306218916 348665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306218919 494491 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code expects a list, basically.
< 1306218926 731103 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting
< 1306218934 37465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: eek! I don't want to use the rest of perl, only the contextual returns
< 1306218934 223228 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list = my_sub();
< 1306218934 312291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "= my_sub();" loaded
< 1306218936 228257 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a list context.
< 1306218988 674944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: For a Fistful of Papers
< 1306218995 234841 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is for(my_sub())  and grep !/\.\.?/, my_sub()
< 1306219073 109629 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of Perl built-ins and operators return different things in different contexts.
< 1306219216 617878 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, m/regex/ returns true or false in scalar context if the regex matches a string, but in list context it returns a list of all the captured groups.
< 1306219300 65298 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is...interesting
< 1306219311 663406 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, goody. Harold Camping was apparently off by 5 months.
< 1306219338 197528 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rapture will happen on 2011-10-21T18:00.
< 1306219366 845058 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1306219369 539852 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1306219397 590457 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/radio-host-says-worlds-955120.html
< 1306219408 419746 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(`ls directory`) {my ($name, $extension) = m/(.*?)\.(.*?)/; ...}
< 1306219421 177663 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ($var,$list) = ...  is list context.
< 1306219439 486059 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that should be ls -1 directory
< 1306219439 849021 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, more crazy than just "he was off by 5 months".
< 1306219460 725318 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, the rapture wasn't *really* going to happen, but we have all been judged, and the world will end 2011-10-21T18:00.
< 1306219477 779997 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lol
< 1306219647 261922 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: yes, Perl is interesting. I'd recommend giving it a look sometime.
< 1306219772 516566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is contexts one of the reasons they invented Perl-golf?
< 1306219874 309662 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's one of many reasons, yes.
< 1306219897 640713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :another reason would be $_
< 1306219954 991265 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would also be one.
< 1306220347 201064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know AWK and what you described about m/regex/ seems similar to something in AWK as well. In AWK, something like /regex/ matches against $0 and is boolean, although some built-ins take regular expressions as arguments in which case it does that instead. You cannot make your own functions that take regular expressions as arguments, in AWK.
< 1306220378 759036 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, interesting.
< 1306220389 437752 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you specify a non-default string to match?
< 1306220416 616943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, using the ~ operator; it takes a regular expression as one of its arguments.
< 1306220419 447671 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default perl does m// on $_, but not if you use the =~ operator.
< 1306220427 649229 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's awk inspired for sure.
< 1306220654 957219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the m is optional actually.
< 1306220771 535374 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so, if I know Perl, is there any reason I'd want to use awk instead?
< 1306220924 698735 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't know. Probably because awk is standard in UNIX and for the kind of things that awk is good for.
< 1306220943 335323 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-58.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306220977 662884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if, the Deadfish challenge in anarchy golf, the shortest AWK submission is similar to the shortest Perl submission?
< 1306221006 361080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're likely very similar since it's all string processing.
< 1306221022 695137 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, regex.
< 1306221109 178876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You try submitting a Perl code to that challenge (I would advise to always select "Open code statistics", although it is not required).
< 1306221116 18341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish
< 1306221155 33364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you push "use form" then you can enter the code on the HTML form text area, otherwise you send a file with the correct extension)
< 1306221180 563696 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-165-121.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306221192 836329 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...woah Ruby.
< 1306221213 689820 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw def and I thought "Python..?" then I saw // and I thought "...Perl?"
< 1306221225 795367 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, Python + Perl = Ruby
< 1306221231 106886 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..right?
< 1306221265 903757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1306221269 131707 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, now that I've got Perl down I should probably learn Ruby.
< 1306221319 247655 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-211-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1306221336 981480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm..
< 1306221358 304076 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you are interested, try submitting to the code golf challenge(s), using whichever programming language(s) you know.
< 1306221407 389712 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I code golfed in java once
< 1306221411 200296 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that particular challenge, I am unbeat at AWK but my C codes are not quite short enough.
< 1306221411 624328 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tough
< 1306221488 505487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: They have Java, there, too.
< 1306221666 519911 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd-sucks is now deliberately trying to tick people off. Or, well, it's so obvious that they're joking that it won't tick people off. Maybe
< 1306221745 761673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: What are some of your opinions of making code-golf with Java?
< 1306221793 531371 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-165-121.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If it comes short of 2 megs, it's successful. :P
< 1306221827 640479 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do have Java
< 1306221829 559308 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I used it :Bv
< 1306221858 837221 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion on codegolfing in Java is: class A{static{try{for(int i=0,j,z=System.in.read()&7,k=z*6-2;i3*Math.max(z-i-1,i-3*z)?(i*3+j)%6:5));System.out.println();}}catch(Exception e){}}}
< 1306221864 913211 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, pretty much that
< 1306221875 207783 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a code for what?
< 1306221880 490035 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?hexagon+2nd+fixed
< 1306221882 757317 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Priting hexagons
< 1306221907 485664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used any of the other programming languages available there? If so, which ones?
< 1306221918 759690 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(<>){s/i/$x++/e;$x-- if /s/&&$x!=0;s/s/$x**=2/e;s/o/print $x/e;last if /h/;$x=0 if $x==256}
< 1306221947 780349 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, but I can tell you anyway that codegolfing in java is very cumbersome because it doesn't have any native language constructs for common idioms like other languages do
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< 1306221995 204848 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's the shortest Perl gold I've got for deadfish
< 1306221996 986347 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing something as simple as IO is a pain
< 1306222004 186815 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*golf
< 1306222014 805934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You can send to the form directly; all codes are revealed in 4 days
< 1306222026 842065 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay.
< 1306222036 583353 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you saying about the open code statistics again?
< 1306222046 275144 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm going to wait and see if I can find something to remove.
< 1306222051 320056 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change.
< 1306222051 498008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should select it (make sure it is checkmark).
< 1306222072 538371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I should also test that it works.
< 1306222111 630327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Also, if you post, you can post another one later and if it has the same name it will override if shorter. If you do not want that, add something in parentheses after your name in case you want multiple submissions. Also, the server will test that it works automatically (if it doesn't, the error messages that it caused will be displayed)
< 1306222137 869522 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay
< 1306222202 889830 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saving one character by using the s/i/$x++/e trick instead of using $x++ if /i/   :D
< 1306222213 159374 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Perl lets you do something horrible like $x++if/i/
< 1306222228 143533 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try
< 1306222244 632845 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that...are you embedding an increment in an s/old/new?
< 1306222246 831641 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn perl
< 1306222269 804925 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does / mean something else
< 1306222270 211984 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think /e at the end makes it so that you can do that
< 1306222278 953138 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu:  yes I am.
< 1306222290 757258 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the e option at the end allows you to use Perl code as the replacement string
< 1306222298 818657 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evaluated and then the result is substituted
< 1306222387 68330 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could find a good way to use it for $x-- so I just wrote it out as an if.
< 1306222390 331159 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couldn't
< 1306222424 797471 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and I could do $x*=$x==256
< 1306222558 78588 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1306222576 655713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(<>){s/i/$x++/e;$x-- if /s/&&$x!=0;s/s/$x**=2/e;s/o/print $x/e;/h/&&last;$x*=$x==256}
< 1306222587 861263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :also changed last if /h/ to /h/&&last
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< 1306222943 836277 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, the s///e doesn't seem to be working though
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< 1306223374 810083 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright this seems to work: while(<>){/i/&&$x++;/d/&&$x!=0&&$x--;/o/&&print$x;/s/&&($x**=2);/h/&&last;$x*=$x!=256}
< 1306223378 207791 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is shorter
< 1306223409 834941 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :87 bytes.
< 1306223627 379014 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortest is 50 bytes. The shortest AWK code is 39 bytes and is the one I wrote by myself.
< 1306223657 953445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-165-121.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1306223684 175025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think it is allowed to place options on the shebang line, although unlike real Perl-golf, the "#!perl" is still counted.
< 1306223696 602024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-193-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1306223801 778562 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(<>){/i/&&$x++;/d/&&$x!=0&&$x--;/o/&&print$x;$x**=2if/s/;/h/&&last;$x*=$x!=256}
< 1306223802 407722 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                           |
< 1306223802 750190 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                           |\
< 1306223804 838296 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :85
< 1306223820 172877 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks myndzi
< 1306223834 575004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lolwhut
< 1306223871 555228 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I'm not sure a shebang line could give me too many byte reductions.
< 1306223917 645134 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait
< 1306223920 713778 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!perl -n
< 1306223944 430775 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :would allow me to remove the while(<>){} compeltely. 1 byte lost.
< 1306223988 605670 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember a line break is also required, and that if you use the form, it makes CRLF; you need to use a send file to make only LF.
< 1306223998 635864 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, okay.
< 1306224001 757480 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know.
< 1306224153 476554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm...
< 1306224388 190943 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
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< 1306224622 477542 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306224785 613076 :Faaizaan!~faaizaan@119.155.36.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306224788 444642 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I can go lower than 84 bytes on this one:
< 1306224790 369550 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(<>){/i/&&$x++;/d/&&$x!=0&&$x--;/o/&&print$x;$x**=2if/s/;/h/&&last;$x*=$x!=256}
< 1306224790 803620 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                           |
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< 1306224795 370251 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions?
< 1306224808 403638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... wait that's not right.
< 1306224821 617654 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the while loop with a #!perl -n line at the top
< 1306224859 47503 :Faaizaan!~faaizaan@119.155.36.109 PART :#esoteric
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< 1306225094 592879 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :....oh
< 1306225101 22677 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants output on individual lines.
< 1306225113 27710 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffuuu..
< 1306225163 677448 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm up to 88 now
< 1306225482 214809 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1306225522 556594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I think missing from AWK is something like this:  /^Say "(.*)"$/{print \1}
< 1306226040 334306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306226047 410524 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that Perl?
< 1306226054 237751 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... I see
< 1306226058 342812 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just used {} isntead of ;
< 1306226081 808163 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually outside of the regex itself you use $1 instead of \1
< 1306226124 19045 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In AWK, $1 refers to the first field of the current record.
< 1306226137 652101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily what is matched by () in regular expressions.
< 1306226157 331537 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's pseudo-AWK then?
< 1306226158 348264 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I suggest \ instead of $ for this case
< 1306226164 156544 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes.
< 1306226223 592152 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow... I set the record at 94 bytes.
< 1306226245 752485 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I did rather poorly since my initial estimate was 84, but I had to make some changes to account for output formatting
< 1306226319 138605 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x=0;while(<>){/i/&&$x++;/d/&&$x!=0&&$x--;/o/&&print"$x\n";$x**=2if/s/;/h/&&last;$x*=$x!=256}
< 1306226319 748690 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                |
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< 1306226333 95375 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I have no clue what that bot is doing
< 1306226382 961611 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it's pointing to the first o
< 1306226385 666223 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1306226388 573516 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/
< 1306226389 95178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1306226389 365344 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /|
< 1306226390 493746 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1306226393 107602 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a dude dancing
< 1306226395 778965 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1306226396 414799 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1306226396 496875 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /<
< 1306226398 308367 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\
< 1306226398 803701 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1306226399 51744 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /|
< 1306226401 974521 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o\
< 1306226402 582221 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1306226402 832374 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /|
< 1306226407 438078 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1306226439 287195 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either there's a) no one using Perl in this contest  b) no expert Perl golfers in this contest c) I am an expert Perl golfer.
< 1306226452 935596 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean on golf.shinh.org ?
< 1306226456 583244 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1306226461 680624 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that place should be packed with ridiculous golfers
< 1306226473 921688 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's one of the problems that only just got added
< 1306226476 401753 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they haven't seen it yet
< 1306226492 255245 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a smaller way to do it
< 1306226499 704393 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly using eval
< 1306226551 228803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind that it only needs to support the cases that it tests for
< 1306226563 294996 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could omit the halt probably?
< 1306226577 855811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes you can, there is EOF at the end.
< 1306226598 391530 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sample input i becomes sample output i for i = 1, 2, 3 golf.shinh.org won't care if it implements deadfish or not
< 1306226609 690672 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, my solution to hexagons only works for odd values
< 1306226613 110997 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it only tests odd values
< 1306226618 174009 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that allowed me to shave off a lot of bytes
< 1306226659 882652 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...won't they like, look for cheating though?
< 1306226664 791092 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1306226666 997039 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one looks for cheating
< 1306226671 923560 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's anarchic golf, after all ;)
< 1306226678 152077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, you said you had 94 bytes?
< 1306226683 204815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, although if you want, you can make multiple submissions you can put stuff after your name such as (cheat) for cheating entries and so on
< 1306226684 896514 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :down to 84 now with the halt removed.
< 1306226695 83744 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the page the shortest perl solution is 50 bytes and the shortest awk solution is 39 bytes
< 1306226697 420662 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be done very short
< 1306226711 65019 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? why does it say "and it's a new record!"?
< 1306226714 491943 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 bytes in GoldScript and xgawk too, how about that
< 1306226717 259405 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a new record for -you-
< 1306226722 16064 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just to keep track of your improvements
< 1306226722 239113 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, lame. :P
< 1306226729 732554 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish
< 1306226732 830338 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll down to language ranking
< 1306226763 44688 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what the hell, 50 bytes...
< 1306226860 987168 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306226872 814982 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of things like: the bitwise relationship between the values you read
< 1306226883 660815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would consider it not cheating if you check for EOF instead of the "h" to halt, but it is cheating if other valid inputs fail to work. I suggest submitting cheating entries anyways but adding (cheat) after your name.
< 1306226888 680187 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is 7th in Perl.
< 1306226898 977693 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I used that in the C code.
< 1306226906 57889 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I saw a codegolfed brainfuck interpreter. It takes the modulo 2 of the input, because + and - are adjacent in the code and have opposite effects
< 1306226914 415317 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i and o have a similar relationship...
< 1306226981 968148 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought (cheat) was only used for insane exploits?
< 1306227031 552687 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww, ais beat me..
< 1306227049 993983 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Quine/eban%28cheat%29_1182659566&rb
< 1306227069 695541 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Well, I guess different people have different opinion what to use it for; I suggest using (cheat) if other valid inputs fail to produce valid outputs.
< 1306227081 566201 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else, use (embed) or (specific) in that case.
< 1306227105 567036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of the quine, reading your own file is considered cheating, too, of course.
< 1306227112 58307 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :embed is where the output is contained within the code
< 1306227121 225650 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of a tag for only solving the specific sample inputs, because it's the expected way
< 1306227136 17416 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, erlang is the worst. If I knew Erlang I would try to beat the record on that one
< 1306227152 820178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not want a tag for only solving the specific sample inputs, then you could instead use (genuine) to say it works on all valid inputs.
< 1306227161 456192 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that more
< 1306227172 48280 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll use it if I pick up code golfing again
< 1306227241 982707 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the reason of these kind of tags used in different ways (as well as just to make sure of things), I dislike endless problems.
< 1306227266 393156 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we should write something better than golfscript for golfing. with more operators.
< 1306227280 241166 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than golfscript? it's called flogscript
< 1306227288 198564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have had some idea for some binary file code golf
< 1306227296 880766 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, binary golfscript
< 1306227300 819453 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Better in some cases, worse in others, equally good in others.
< 1306227309 745317 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse base 64 golfscript and call it a new language?
< 1306227323 750379 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :25% smaller! *wink wink*
< 1306227330 717560 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't mean quite like that.
< 1306227436 284044 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you actually shrunk the number of operators you could fit two on a byte and then have an operator for each hex digit
< 1306227468 356606 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically my joke
< 1306227504 26095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, sometimes vi or z80 is the shortest solution, shorter than the GolfScript and FlogScript codes.
< 1306227513 763685 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't z80 assembly?
< 1306227517 913447 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's smaller
< 1306227522 908770 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1306227601 214138 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the printer oriented banner problem, my vi solution is shortest of all of them.
< 1306227659 640216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?PrinterOriented+Banner   Note that "exec is denied" does not affect shell scripts, and only partially affects vi.
< 1306227707 889819 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait....
< 1306227712 102084 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the short versions are people managing to call it anyway?
< 1306227713 303233 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something I could try.
< 1306227720 552688 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1306227863 418779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes, although there is one difficulty being that it is not in PATH, even though the program is installed. And the C code does read the banner program without executing it. The other difficulty is that spaces are added to the end of the line and the problem requires it without the trailing spaces.
< 1306227880 372253 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are not too difficult to correct.
< 1306227900 873713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, changing my while to a for shaved 2 bytes. :D
< 1306227910 991252 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1306227911 713519 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1306227911 827355 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |\
< 1306228006 493117 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder what kind of system they're running on that website.
< 1306228039 617717 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, I'm wondering if I could use system commands in Perl on the server. I doubt it.
< 1306228068 723104 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's probably chrooted or something.
< 1306228082 947597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Depends.
< 1306228097 372232 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golf.shinh exploits are the best
< 1306228098 161245 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were two directories where we can write permanent files and one of this was used in http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?27c3_Generate+C . I've already fixed the permission of this directory and removed the entries. Thanks 27c3 guys for finding this issue!
< 1306228103 53404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't buy high-temperature superconductors over the internet?
< 1306228107 38630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this crap?
< 1306228107 835332 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some system V exploit someone made to communicate between programs that was fixed ages ago
< 1306228152 762770 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/shinh/ags apparently this is what it runs
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< 1306228563 793296 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this: Tim LaHaye, co-author of the best-selling "Left Behind" novels about the end times, recently called Camping's prediction "not only bizarre but 100 percent wrong!" He cited the Bible verse Matthew 24:36, "but about that day or hour no one knows" except God.
< 1306228567 792115 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the left behind writers know better
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< 1306228829 649769 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Know what better?
< 1306228904 24794 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :know better than to set a date
< 1306228978 665636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Count asterisks" problem, I invented it and designed it with a cheat. I don't know who can notice right away the cheat and who doesn't.
< 1306228994 12668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically God isn't even going to organise his armies ahead of time for the apocalypse?
< 1306228994 133592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The angels will just be sitting around and one day suddenly there'll be all these Christians everywhere?
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< 1306229021 864487 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he has a contingent set aside for permanent end of the world readiness
< 1306229025 576006 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how the army has swat teams
< 1306229133 966622 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I also agree that the left behind writers did know better than to set a date. One thing it can be determined by the logic, the other is that it even says so in the Bible itself!
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< 1306229192 631747 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, how come people never set an end times prediction more than a lifetime away?
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< 1306229202 90244 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the bible self-evidently set it, then surely it would have been in the far future at some point
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< 1306229748 469234 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/ags/blob/master/be/modules/sandbox.c this looks complicated as
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< 1306232557 352402 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :down to 78 bytes on Perl.
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< 1306239064 297174 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha!
< 1306239158 446546 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've come up with a linux kernel quine
< 1306239364 208428 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it's actually a GNU kernel quine
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< 1306239706 803078 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work?
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< 1306239842 911709 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating wiki entry
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< 1306241516 458945 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/GNU_Operating_System
< 1306241787 714553 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a file IO quine?
< 1306241800 931309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we really need some place to file "esoteric applications of typically non-esoteric languages" on the wiki
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< 1306241959 374111 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that's an esolang. no one programs for the kernel shebang interpreter.
< 1306241969 734103 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they just copy-paste.
< 1306241994 5316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't programming for the shebang interpreter, though
< 1306242007 588286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an awk program
< 1306242014 66118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a shebang so that it will be invoked under awk
< 1306242020 465003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might as well just do #!/usr/bin/cat
< 1306242190 960712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm saying is, you're invoking external programs there
< 1306242215 485042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like writing "system '/usr/bin/ruby'" and using it as a proof that Perl is Turing-complete
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< 1306242285 696484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it does contain commands to read the source file! #! provides the source file as an argument to something, and /usr/bin/awk interprets its argument as a file to read
< 1306242524 374220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : that isn't programming for the shebang interpreter, though <-- hm would that be possible though
< 1306242528 43831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it
< 1306242538 671029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's intelligent enough
< 1306242544 885373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1306242548 94087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you do #!/tmp/a and save it as /tmp/a
< 1306242551 521436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then chmod it executable
< 1306242555 77993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get an infinite loop?
< 1306242556 551678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1306242577 574696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course not
< 1306242581 618248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm
< 1306242589 546529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that happened was that it went back to command prompt immediately
< 1306242591 768954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION straces it
< 1306242596 161539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 has quit (Connection reset by peer)
< 1306242598 759522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1306242621 453023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I doubt strace will help, it will likely never leave the kernel
< 1306242645 483952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can the #! interpreter even recurse at all?
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< 1306242657 173726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's an interesting point
< 1306242671 162717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it would drop to userspace at some point, but semantically, that's a kernelspace infinite loop
< 1306242686 641287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, if it were actually /interpreted/ as one it'd be a trivial DoS vulnerability
< 1306242688 111595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1306242692 433808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean, what happens if you do /tmp/b containing #!/bin/bash\nbash "$@" and then put /tmp/b as an interpreter for another program
< 1306242841 225191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, I mean, what happens if you do /tmp/b containing #!/bin/bash\nbash "$@" and then put /tmp/b as an interpreter for another program <-- seems it works
< 1306242851 139103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as in, you get an infinite loop?
< 1306242853 778742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1306242854 486907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you get a forkbomb?
< 1306242864 121353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in in my test it prints foo
< 1306242868 118102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306242874 819637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just did finite recursion
< 1306242899 609785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, infinite recursion between two different interpreters might work. Probably not
< 1306242914 362642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I assume there is a finite length for such chains of interpreting
< 1306242931 609299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that isn't an infinite chain, though, it's only two tiers
< 1306242932 625616 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's programming for the shebang interpreter.
< 1306242938 425020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1306242941 115920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it goes into userspace after loading bash
< 1306242943 632551 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: refresh the page, i have made a simpler quine.
< 1306242945 291092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: no, it isn't
< 1306242948 102338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so we know it allows at least two tires
< 1306242948 271341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's programming for awk
< 1306242958 826096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1306242960 377180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiers*
< 1306242961 567195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your page would be vaguely interesting if it was even remotely factually correct
< 1306242966 58025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't
< 1306242968 368461 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat is not awk
< 1306243012 185416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: s/made a simpler quine/copied the quine I gave in the channel/?
< 1306243017 393895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all cat programs are quines
< 1306243020 570283 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1306243027 773691 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read that
< 1306243049 430166 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, your line was wrong, because cat isn't in /usr/bin on many systems
< 1306243055 419776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK
< 1306243063 171269 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i don't know a system where it's in /usr/bin but i hadn't searched.
< 1306243066 78413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so, though, it has basically nothing to do with the shebang interpreter
< 1306243074 547066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: DJGPP
< 1306243087 324342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting directories for executables wrong because I'm used to DJGPP
< 1306243087 984248 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it not
< 1306243100 706277 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shebang interpreter is what passes the file name of the script being executed
< 1306243101 917456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not the shebang interp that's doing the printing, but an external progam
< 1306243115 723263 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why it's a quine for the GNU OS
< 1306243120 994645 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the GNU shebang interpreter
< 1306243156 492204 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines are trivial with file IO though
< 1306243170 133213 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never said it's complicated
< 1306243308 289897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders the possibilities of a /bin/cd instead of having it as a builtin in the shell
< 1306243319 19960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how it could be done, but it would be utterly messy
< 1306243334 983581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start it would involve ptrace()
< 1306243352 882102 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you cannot have infinite recursion in the shebang interpreter because the interpreter itself cannot  be a script (in most versions of the interpreter).
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< 1306243410 437679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to code an OS, but most of the time would be spent during boring stuff rather than the few interesting things
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< 1306243472 453244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some things I think could be done better than *nix, and I have some ideas. But yeah, I'm not very interested in spending hours coding drivers and so on. Nor is most of memory management very interesting
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< 1306243481 180460 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have really not read your /usr/bin/cat though, came up with it myself :p
< 1306243485 750739 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so obvious :p
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< 1306243504 549864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if building an OS in an HLL on top of a good microkernel would work
< 1306243531 952698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of which, what good microkernels are there?)
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< 1306243574 314473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faaizaan, I think you need to fix your connection
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< 1306243635 493588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :-only- hours? very fast coder
< 1306243718 870086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, well I didn't say how many. Probably hundreds of them :P
< 1306243725 678949 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, true
< 1306243739 729253 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know the first thing about coding a driver
< 1306243790 626909 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple, basically you're writing to special addresses to memory, oh and you sometimes need to do realtime and make sure you don't block stuff.
< 1306243793 102747 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other things.
< 1306243815 628034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for memory mapped IO registers obviously
< 1306243828 175371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 uses a separate bus for IO ports iirc
< 1306243840 179855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that is still used on modern systems though
< 1306243935 594583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cgi-bin/poll.pl?a=9
< 1306243964 173408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really, *really* hope DMM recently got a child and hasn't told us and this is actually him picking a name.
< 1306243993 805872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is "Zelda" actually an old name? Not something simply made up by Nintendo?
< 1306244034 541027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zelda is a nickname for the feminine name Griselda which means "dark battle".[citation needed]" huh
< 1306244042 600345 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^/"/
< 1306244061 319643 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1306244168 221209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The games are named ultimately after F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife.
< 1306244178 908879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1306244200 77825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt that though :P
< 1306244265 535251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia down heh
< 1306244328 599392 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, wtf?
< 1306244335 309571 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without wikipedia we're doomed!
< 1306244367 541781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and up again
< 1306244626 715474 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zelda Sayre Fitzgerald (July 24, 1900 – March 10, 1948), born Zelda Sayre ("Sayre" is pronounced to rhyme with "fair") in Montgomery, Alabama, was an American novelist and the wife of writer F. Scott Fitzgerald.
< 1306244641 997945 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zelda's glamorous image also inspired the name of video game creator Shigeru Miyamoto's character Princess Zelda in his The Legend of Zelda video game series. Miyamoto explained, "Zelda was the name of the wife of the famous novelist F. Scott Fitzgerald. She was a famous and beautiful woman from all accounts, and I liked the sound of her name. So I took the liberty of using her name for the very first Zelda title."[85]
< 1306244665 781530 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citing this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/117177/
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< 1306246200 235466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_fish
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< 1306246512 230889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just leave that there.
< 1306246844 506001 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a very similar idiom in polish.
< 1306246860 348494 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is "what does the gingerbread cake have to do with the windmill"
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< 1306249813 53784 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249813 352066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it hard to set up n ready my pc for programming?
< 1306249817 296718 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249817 574996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally emailed paul graham the lisp guy today after reading about python in E raymonds essay he metions ruby n python is u cant use lisp
< 1306249838 969453 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249839 188036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im really only a bash person and even then Im tin
< 1306249849 290559 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1306249852 903710 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249852 985820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does haskell compare to say java?
< 1306249855 575047 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249855 706528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this java guy I know says that java is the best when things get really complex and u need your apps do do real work
< 1306249858 468299 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1306249860 193505 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249860 274968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why haskell over lisp?
< 1306249862 411647 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249862 493239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant u just have data in arrays and do operations using you prog lang?
< 1306249866 281070 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1306249866 362848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is haskell doomed to be a mysql driver?
< 1306249869 317601 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1306249881 843348 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is brillant
< 1306249912 310873 :cheater__!~cheater@89.204.137.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1306250744 202444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is protontorpedo?
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< 1306251471 895896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. It seems that I need to hit auto adjust on the monitor when the temperature of the GPU changes significantly (such as when playing a 3D game for a while, or a while after stopping playing one)
< 1306251482 865967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is some shoddy intel graphics
< 1306251549 75540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to temperature-compensate circuits
< 1306251564 198483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often you have to use two entirely different circuits with opposite temperature responses, and arrange them to cancel each other out somehow
< 1306251569 678545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's relatively expensive to do
< 1306251581 89160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can just autoadjust the monitor instead, why not do it that way?
< 1306251683 6797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you can just autoadjust the monitor instead, why not do it that way? <-- it is annoying to have to do that every minute or so when the chip is warming up or cooling down
< 1306251763 977114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, especially since the monitor seems to need an image with lots of sharp lines in it to autoadjust. Meaning the typical 3D game is not well suited. Something like text works well however.
< 1306251809 45989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember my old syncmaster came with a windows program to display some sort of auto-adjust pattern on the screen with a checkerboard pattern with a white frame in the outermost pixel
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< 1306251898 901614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, we need one standard for digital monitor attachment. I could do digital for this monitor except I have no DP-to-DVI converter
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< 1306255064 898523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In computer science higher-order functions consists of two things: closures and currying."
< 1306255076 4247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From http://www.lazygun.net/)
< 1306255110 956524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am clearly going to have to find this man and hit him until he stops being wrong.
< 1306255166 221428 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.... what
< 1306255177 567375 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arn't higher order functions functions that take or return functions?
< 1306255250 859836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1306255264 429187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By his definition Python does not have higher-order functions.
< 1306255291 73526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By his definition Lazy K doesn't have higher-order functions, come to think of it.
< 1306255424 100212 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groovy.dzone.com/news/higher-order-functions-groovy-
< 1306255425 13761 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source.
< 1306255428 453235 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go correct him.
< 1306255483 47071 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ask him what "map(func,iter)" is if that's the definition of higher-order functions.
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< 1306255514 930675 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ask him how the hell you can have functional programming without higher-order functions, when using the correct definition.
< 1306255534 230039 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even C supports functions that take functions as parameters, right?)
< 1306255551 481097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean function pointers, then yes.
< 1306255551 841826 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Link him to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function
< 1306255580 535167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why defining functional languages as those with higher-order functions is stupid.
< 1306255627 284567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my working definition is that functional languages are those where reassignable variables are nonidiomatic (and might not even exist)
< 1306255653 542668 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd define it as where programming in such a style is possible.
< 1306255668 181816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-order functions help too, but I'm not sure they're actually required for a lang to be functional
< 1306255669 985146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you can emulate FP in C quite easily.
< 1306255671 640046 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And not a giant pain in the ass)
< 1306255690 36054 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could program functionally in Python, couldn't you?
< 1306255700 453594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more easily.
< 1306255739 267573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call Python a functional programming language, although I would call it one in which functional programming was entirely possible
< 1306255826 555148 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about, say, Scala.
< 1306255842 177694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know Scala
< 1306255851 952424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I.
< 1306255852 141738 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's var/val distinction makes it more likely to be functional by your definition, no?
< 1306255864 706868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__ does.
< 1306255872 896329 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, isn't such a definition more reliant on the community than the language unless no mutable state exists?
< 1306255893 40608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: potentially it is
< 1306255898 189776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, paradigms are not at all rigidly-defined.
< 1306255938 747236 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you gave a Haskell programmer Python, I doubt you'd see much mutable state.
< 1306255941 990056 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutated*
< 1306255958 388288 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you gave them Java, they'd kick you in the shin)
< 1306255975 616741 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you gave them C++, you might not see much runtime behavior.
< 1306256130 186668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, output doesn't actually break referential transparency.
< 1306256187 55974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but your compiler might do surprising things unless it acts like it does.
< 1306256255 27101 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no.
< 1306256261 131101 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you gave them C++, they'd still kick you in the shin.
< 1306256271 509302 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still runtime behavior, but not from the computer.
< 1306256397 329193 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I was saying they'd do most of their programming in templates. Which is *just* this side of tolerable if you write a preprocessor for the purpose.
< 1306256450 575825 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1306256475 658309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could replicate functional programming in any OO language reasonably well if you have inner classes.
< 1306256488 265412 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you give a Haskell programmer basic?
< 1306256490 623232 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing more than a compile-time static functional programming language with pattern matching.
< 1306256509 430211 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have a Basic backend for GHC in a month.
< 1306256530 824367 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1306256536 32226 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling Haskell to Basic?
< 1306256540 45082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh.
< 1306256608 614865 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that, or they'd peek and poke their way to a better language in a few minutes. Say, an assembler.
< 1306256609 354920 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1306256633 539781 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder.
< 1306256638 148266 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still woner.
< 1306256639 967095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Basic really all that bad?
< 1306256640 966231 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder*
< 1306256654 222004 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen if you went to a Java shop, and lugged in scala-library.jar and scala-compiler.jar
< 1306256779 440794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1306256797 456139 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or clojure.
< 1306256808 451270 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()((())()())]
< 1306256811 793876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306256831 358424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd probably be surprised at how little bloat your code has.
< 1306257698 600218 :cheater__!~cheater@port-87-234-27-47.static.qsc.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, nice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2mCDkqXki0&feature=related
< 1306259449 885150 :cheater__!~cheater@port-87-234-27-47.static.qsc.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1306259685 804221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : my working definition is that functional languages are those where reassignable variables are nonidiomatic (and might not even exist) <-- what about closures?
< 1306259703 294719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are less important too, although very useful
< 1306259713 866028 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. separating bindings and references?
< 1306259765 985630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm does bash have higher order functions? Arguably you could do it by eval
< 1306259777 194783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even without it sometimes
< 1306259794 748352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know, I'm not a bash expert
< 1306259803 509562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything with eval, you can normally simulate higher order functions in, though
< 1306259804 225328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo { $1 whatever; } bar { something; } foo bar
< 1306259806 504580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1306259810 493138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's sufficiently eso that you can't do anything vaguely like that
< 1306259835 590136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I mean it is easy to do function pointers in bash
< 1306259862 756380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can reach the level that C has easily.
< 1306259869 961560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without resorting to eval
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< 1306261168 492912 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping (/msg)
< 1306261327 885323 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[GNU Operating System]] is even more off-topic than [[PHP]] was and needs deleting
< 1306261397 565279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that sort of thing is inherently offtopic, it's just that nobody's written one that's at all interesting yet
< 1306261428 697351 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not esoteric, it's not a language,
< 1306261440 750395 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its interest to esoteric programmers is only in that... you can run esointerpreters on it?
< 1306261450 563554 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:54:58:  Just took 300mg melatonin
< 1306261450 645303 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :300???
< 1306261493 524087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I mean, things like Perl without letters or numbers probably qualify as esolangs
< 1306261523 330736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the shell /is/ a programming language, by design
< 1306261525 702499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unix's REPL
< 1306261530 867186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1306261534 124151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but note that this is not the same thing as Unix, or GNU, at all
< 1306261537 258576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just one possible interface
< 1306261547 80383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you can do quines, or recursion, or anything, with it, is irrelevant
< 1306261553 661970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: cheater897 wasn't claiming that the shell was an esolang, but that the "shebang interpreter" was, whatever that means
< 1306261561 127165 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a language by design, and not really an esoteric one
< 1306261565 309228 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that makes no sense at all
< 1306261567 848190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, it isn't, it's the executables that it runs that are... non-eso langauges
< 1306261569 406161 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and
< 1306261569 955131 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo '#!/usr/bin/awk {print $0}' > quine; chmod oau+x quine
< 1306261570 690082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages
< 1306261570 771938 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is broken
< 1306261573 589968 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no newline
< 1306261579 245418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, a cheat quine
< 1306261580 695306 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it did work
< 1306261582 97959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I was wondering about that, but didn't know enough awk to tell
< 1306261583 466196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with the simpler quine
< 1306261588 521973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1306261589 147845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1306261591 90698 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more broken
< 1306261595 28165 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads lines of input
< 1306261596 278492 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and outputs them
< 1306261597 23322 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever
< 1306261600 803167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a quine... that's cat
< 1306261604 769193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it has to be cat
< 1306261606 266705 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, the lack of a newline is after awk
< 1306261611 653259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no
< 1306261612 460360 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug in the "shebang interpreter" code ;-)
< 1306261618 846212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do #!/usr/bin/cat
< 1306261625 876576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the fixed quine is an actual quine, but a cheat one, so it doesn't count at all
< 1306261626 136623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that's a quine by itself, on DJGPP
< 1306261628 480583 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1306261629 912834 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on unix too
< 1306261632 571123 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a cheat
< 1306261638 393788 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally the recursion example is broken
< 1306261639 700388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: on UNIX, cat is apparently typically not in /usr/bin
< 1306261645 847373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't use shebangs in a shebanged executable
< 1306261648 817541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: anyway I already deleted the page
< 1306261650 108636 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it uses which
< 1306261669 312535 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok even for an off-topic page, it's literally the most error-ridden unfunny piece of crap i've ever read :P
< 1306261675 107957 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realise you deleted it
< 1306261678 426020 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I opened it earlier)
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< 1306262359 309534 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PS. The voices in my head also tell me that the numbers are getting too big. I may just call the thing 2.8.0." — Linus
< 1306262382 220600 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last release would have actually been a good time for it.
< 1306262390 439216 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete removal of the BKL and all.
< 1306262669 757778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.8.0 would be exciting.
< 1306262693 317175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of feel like the "2." part will disappear sometime soon.
< 1306262703 105882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alternate proposal is to go to 3.0.
< 1306262715 510742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And then, hopefully, increment the major version more often...
< 1306262724 158136 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compare 2.0 to whatever long string the latest release is.
< 1306262729 973419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "alternate proposal" I mean "alternate proposal that Linus is actually considering")
< 1306262730 120567 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me that isn't a major-version-worthy difference.
< 1306262732 880227 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even going a year or two back.
< 1306262755 215704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Dear me, there's been quite a few major version-worthy changes in there.
< 1306262796 842460 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, even a few in 2.6.
< 1306262826 191861 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tickless kernel and removing the BKL are two such changes.
< 1306262827 542198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't 2.6 come out like half a decade ago?
< 1306262865 172794 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6 came out 7 years ago.
< 1306262894 517080 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit.
< 1306262918 524800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought going to 2.8 implied branching off a 2.7 first, and since there's been no branching there'll be no 2.8
< 1306262963 119312 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's Linus, he can do what the fuck he wants :)
< 1306262963 294622 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The odd-number development thing is just straight-up outmoded, but there's still a bit of a desire for even number branches.
< 1306262975 289149 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: true :)
< 1306262999 603152 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BitKeeper and git kinda killed the need for development version numbers.
< 1306263050 210577 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, how long did Linux use bitkeeper for anyway?
< 1306263062 113881 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 3 years.
< 1306263081 168218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet before it did version control haters had an easier time -- "Damn man, use a VCS." "Linus doesn't." "Um, er, that is to say, erm,"
< 1306263093 954145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Complete removal of the BKL and all. <-- BKL?
< 1306263101 198772 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Big Kernel Lock.
< 1306263104 137331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1306263145 359775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the single biggest architectural change Linux has had.
< 1306263162 153230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should switch from 2.6.x.y to 3.1.1 and just let the last two numbers keep increasing forever...
< 1306263169 71003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, until some magical time they realize it's sufficiently different from 3.1.1 to call it 4.1.1
< 1306263184 474579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why not 3.0.0 first?
< 1306263220 347091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway most stuff in the kernel hadn't beel using the BKL for years iirc
< 1306263220 822923 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think major version numbers are irrelevant for any project that releases sufficiently often.
< 1306263230 669815 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have already realised that Chrome's major version number increments every few weeks.
< 1306263240 365946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really it was just the last remains being cleaned up
< 1306263259 212433 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The removal of the BKL happened in the 2.6 tree. Entirely.
< 1306263260 920359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, doesn't chrome use a rather longwinded version number
< 1306263269 953432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm yes but the 2.6 tree has been going for years
< 1306263270 66669 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was a fairly long, drawn-out process.
< 1306263281 888640 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe using .1.1 would signify that it's not really the first major release (with the instability that usually implies), but already moved on to the first usable patch version
< 1306263290 933011 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes; I'm on 11.0.696.68
< 1306263293 568801 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway didn't some parts in 2.4 not take the BKL as soon as entering the kernel even?
< 1306263295 500644 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't we just abandon versions, and use a release number, along with a git commit id?
< 1306263303 155810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it was just random, I temporarily forgot where the numbers start
< 1306263306 517851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and it hit eleven on...
< 1306263308 924655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh
< 1306263311 189340 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 28 April
< 1306263318 484767 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and twelve is already in the dev channel IIRC
< 1306263328 322067 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be in the stable channel in a matter of weeks :P
< 1306263333 547372 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes, but that wasn't due to a plan to remove the BKL.
< 1306263339 413086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that one is worse the old df version numbers iirc
< 1306263350 582055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think the last two probably are a revision identifier of some kind
< 1306263355 582796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome moved past opera in version numbers in about a tenth of the time opera has existed
< 1306263357 988975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm right
< 1306263364 78092 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Chrome on Windows and Mac updates completely silently, after all
< 1306263368 485886 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on Linux it's an apt repository)
< 1306263373 553365 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably something for yum too)
< 1306263380 32896 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think you realise just *how* tied in the BKL was when they started this.
< 1306263393 221855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it is a bit scary that it updates silently. Is there an option to at least notify you of it?
< 1306263405 267040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, probably you are right
< 1306263410 45513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're not supposed to care. really.
< 1306263421 118529 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *open* took the BKL.
< 1306263421 200644 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure. It does yell at you to restart if it's gone too long without being quit or crashing (it actually includes "or crashing" in the message, at least as of last year :-D).
< 1306263423 828598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I wouldn't trust google :P
< 1306263450 829939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but not whatever system call is used for getpid() I bet
< 1306263452 363032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not totally "comfortable" with it as far as the potential for abuse goes if it got popular, but I really can't bring myself to care when it's Google.
< 1306263461 882796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's hardly any more secure than apt.
< 1306263465 698582 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you check every update that comes in?
< 1306263469 184391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]less secure
< 1306263487 950779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the process-per-tab thingy in chrome, they should be able to partially upgrade the browser as you go along, upgrading tabs silently when you press reload :)
< 1306263493 440421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nope, but I have a nagging feeling that I should
< 1306263502 737781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, and then I realise I wouldn't have time
< 1306263513 111325 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Even if you did, you can't read binary patches.
< 1306263519 761462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to compile every update from source yourself.
< 1306263525 975189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed.
< 1306263528 244196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you think you can detect exploits in source code -- see Underhanded C contest.
< 1306263539 928440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I'm quite aware of that.
< 1306263541 624442 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only possible solution is a smart environment (capability security, etc.).
< 1306263547 478492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: most of those exploits aren't all that hard to find, though
< 1306263551 657107 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while we're on our current systems... Chrome doesn't really bother me.
< 1306263558 893568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, then you have to trust that environment. What about upgrades to it?
< 1306263566 951955 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Chrome is probably better on that count than most programs, really.
< 1306263568 745556 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you always have to trust someone.
< 1306263576 619751 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that it at least has a sane security *model*)
< 1306263577 445590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes indeed
< 1306263578 724622 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't trust any part of your computer, there is exactly one solution: don't tell it anything.
< 1306263608 990849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't plug in a webcam. Never type anything you don't want the world to know. Blah blah blah. Basically if you don't trust anything you can't use a computer for anything.
< 1306263609 993149 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, if Google wants to rape that, then it's pretty well raped next update)
< 1306263611 894460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well I can probably trust something I build myself out of TTL logic :P
< 1306263630 591254 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's trusting yourself.
< 1306263633 403484 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And write *all* the software yourself?
< 1306263646 82533 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you trust yourself not to make mistakes... congratulations! You're an idiot!
< 1306263646 269033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Don't plug in a webcam. Never type anything you don't want the world to know. Blah blah blah. Basically if you don't trust anything you can't use a computer for anything. <-- 1) I don't even have a webcam 2) no comments ;)
< 1306263666 140594 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that includes your email password.
< 1306263673 982131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes indeed, what about formal verification
< 1306263680 256996 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, an email account is out of the question if you don't trust anybody.
< 1306263680 774335 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you rely on an external compiler, you get Trusting Trust. If you rely on an external anything *else*, you rely on the source code not being underhanded or poorly written.
< 1306263687 918171 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Coq could have a deliberate exploit.
< 1306263694 463025 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you rely on yourself, you rely on your own perfection.
< 1306263697 774534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well you have to consider what damage could be done if whoever you trusted was not trustable
< 1306263697 889411 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such hubris, that.
< 1306263703 590901 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course trusting that the authors of Coq is not exactly a hard thing to demand, but it's still trust.
< 1306263713 239990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in this hypothetical we're trusting nothing.
< 1306263715 505110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you rely on multiple external compilers, from different vendors
< 1306263720 110737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use them to compile each other from source
< 1306263729 69406 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not trusting anyone is definitely a mental illness.
< 1306263732 989105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed, trust is like mathematics. You need to take something for given to do anything useful.
< 1306263736 96168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gets rid of all trusting-trust situations that don't involve a huge conspiracy
< 1306263738 154851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also completely precludes society entirely.
< 1306263747 200262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have to trust an awful lot.
< 1306263760 864277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes sadly
< 1306263764 429612 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see also DDC
< 1306263770 274373 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306263771 954199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/)
< 1306263780 582950 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1306263780 701475 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But they could very well be working in a conspiracy.
< 1306263788 947757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: is that a different trusting-trust article from the famous one?
< 1306263789 515891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone actually stopped using computers after reading the Trusting Trust paper then ...
< 1306263794 438260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know, they're alien as far as I'm concerned.
< 1306263808 132117 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trusting that there's no gigantic conspiracy is trust
< 1306263814 627239 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plenty of people don't do it
< 1306263826 984767 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they've all made major failures of reasoning, but so does anyone who doesn't trust anything)
< 1306263832 555652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, there are things I trust and things I don't
< 1306263839 330706 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1306263844 613352 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :David A. Wheeler’s Page on Fully Countering Trusting Trust through Diverse Double-Compiling (DDC) - Countering Trojan Horse attacks on Compilers
< 1306263848 379090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a phd dissertation
< 1306263849 799393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lack of a massive conspiracy is more trustworthy than lack of a small conspiracy, for instance
< 1306263852 364258 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/dissertation/wheeler-trusting-trust-ddc.pdf
< 1306263888 173327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you can get a PhD out of that defence? I thought it was obvious
< 1306263906 392749 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not as simple as what you said
< 1306263914 83263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, at a certain point you have to take the trustworthiness of *something* for granted, or give up on everything more advanced than a big stick and your own arm.
< 1306263916 85112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so
< 1306263917 659292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I linked to it, so you could read the summary
< 1306263932 241851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have momentarily deluded myself into thinking you might actually click a link
< 1306263970 899783 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could always Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V the page, but you seem to prefer I reword things in my own awkward words for some reason
< 1306263982 311477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, but how can you trust the stick to be a stick?
< 1306263985 598246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1306263995 381362 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could easily bug a stick
< 1306264016 817214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, fuck, solipsism.
< 1306264034 696735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well then. You can trust nothing but the existence of your own mind.
< 1306264036 427506 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, are you sure your mind exists then?
< 1306264046 929890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COGITO ERGO SVM
< 1306264047 965559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you be so sure it isn't just an illusion
< 1306264051 279475 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COGITO ERGO SVM
< 1306264069 702296 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the answer to that is obvious.
< 1306264079 194414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, do you actually think, or do you just feel like you do.
< 1306264082 736809 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the answer to that is obvious.
< 1306264101 122612 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you are capable of asking that question, you are clearly thinking.
< 1306264104 221814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, shut up, I'm being factitious here. :P
< 1306264111 357054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but it's just stupid.
< 1306264111 543781 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo, your mind must exist in some fashion.
< 1306264122 583206 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What that fashion *is* is, of course, debatable.
< 1306264136 676845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1306264153 425661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly this conversion is kind of stupid
< 1306264172 57071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, of course
< 1306264244 338941 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: gtfi -minecraft
< 1306264605 822064 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306264605 904037 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1306264605 904189 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306264817 17416 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1306265219 879225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, TIL that tcc was originally the C compiler submitted as an IOCCC entry
< 1306265229 226790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of both of them, but wasn't aware that they were the same codebase
< 1306265845 926586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCC?
< 1306265885 58310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306266228 169491 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a MSPA flash coming?
< 1306266271 338845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1306266277 472637 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1306266283 900088 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH is having computer problems
< 1306266290 244410 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1306266304 253473 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306266464 738624 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: TCC: Tiny C Compiler.
< 1306266470 5033 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By Fabrice Bellard.
< 1306266484 198042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : AH is having computer problems
< 1306266494 966143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still unclear why he hasn't just bought a new one.
< 1306266501 625797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shot the old one.
< 1306266511 204050 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I told you to read the Twitter so read the damn Twitter
< 1306266520 351139 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@andrewhussie
< 1306266520 432910 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrewhussie
< 1306266520 515059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1306266520 596881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :buying a new one wont fix it this time, its software probs.
< 1306266520 596946 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 May via web
< 1306266539 304632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but I don't actually understand what the hell that means.
< 1306266553 471565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be persistent across multiple machines?
< 1306266575 920632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he copies his drive over
< 1306266597 877292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, re-uses it, rather
< 1306266603 872333 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is logical, since software licensing is incredibly painful and copying large work-in-progress files would take ages
< 1306266607 118491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Actually, I want to implement a NF interpreter sometime. This will include "networking" and implicit "IPC" (IPC in the sense of a localhost-localhost communication). Please, read my article again. There I have written that the SETUP of the connection has to be established by client and server which is running NF. Actually, I do know what these words mean, as I studied network technique 1 year in the University of Applied Sciences in Mannheim as part of
< 1306266607 200217 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my Bachelor study of computer sciences. I do know how to use pipes, IPCs, shared memory, traps, rendevouz, mutexes and deadlock-free communications."
< 1306266610 185873 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DON'T MESS WITH THIS GUY
< 1306266615 513600 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE STUDIED NETWORK TECHNIQUES FOR A YEAR
< 1306266620 997046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT THE UNIVERSITY OF APPLIED SCIENCES IN MANNHEIM
< 1306266626 722622 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS PART OF A BACHELOR STUDY OF COMPUTER SCIENCES
< 1306266633 960038 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He will RUIN you with his knowledge.
< 1306266798 462398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, what is NF?
< 1306266806 845322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crappy BF derivative.
< 1306266816 694280 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NetFuck.
< 1306266820 203170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creator seems to be touchy about it.
< 1306266835 601540 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an utterly uninteresting, incredibly underspecified BF derivative whose creator is arguing its merits with PH on the wiki right now hilariously badly
< 1306266840 780151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one which has a single static 2-way pipe between processes which he calls networking.
< 1306266843 952467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a Bachelor's degree in CS, your argument is invalid"
< 1306266849 23821 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it is networking, with a single socket
< 1306266856 764814 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems to be saying that interpreters have you set up the socket beforehand
< 1306266864 74895 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is stupid, ofc
< 1306266882 338648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so what does it add to bf, I mean, since Ook is still on the wiki it has to be more mediocre than that
< 1306266912 633778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody wants it deleted
< 1306266916 195419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook is vaguely tolerable due to novelty value and DMM armour.
< 1306266916 884701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH is just saying it's crap :P
< 1306266928 440661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook is terrible, but it was, like, the first BF remapping.
< 1306266929 384929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dmm made ook!?
< 1306266930 180470 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's that.
< 1306266937 62464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, ah okay
< 1306266948 127430 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/David_Morgan-Mar
< 1306266950 41963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Piet. :p
< 1306266959 617427 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes I know dmm made piet
< 1306266968 513812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one BF remapping is clever
< 1306266970 228469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more, not so much
< 1306266979 954067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF derivatives wouldn't be so looked-down-upon if there weren't so many of them
< 1306266981 82948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the thing about DMM is that his stupid languages are unapologetic jokes.
< 1306266988 812451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is true
< 1306267006 418698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm true. Ook does have a slight humour value
< 1306267030 341401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NF, OTOH, seems to be meant as an actual exercise in programming.
< 1306267045 726319 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creator Daniel Marschall announces a price for the person who implements
< 1306267045 808258 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A NetFuck 1.0 interpreter
< 1306267045 808425 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND
< 1306267045 808527 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A comfortable "pong" game written in NetFuck 1.0 (Classic notation)
< 1306267050 324766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really tempted to ask what the prize is
< 1306267070 766096 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a comfortable pong game with BF IO is impossible, probably he's assuming , works instantly
< 1306267079 331061 :ralc!~ralc@dhcp164.akk.k-net.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, do you have a link to the place where that guy wrote about his 1 year of CS study?
< 1306267089 274137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: no no, one year of networking study
< 1306267091 193606 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:NetFuck
< 1306267110 765921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc, to be fair, that was in response to me saying he didn't know what networking or IPC were.
< 1306267163 908580 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if a static connection between two programs meant that you embedded an identifier of the program it's connected to in the source
< 1306267172 147932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then every instance of program A and B are connected to each other in the world, simultaneously
< 1306267220 129195 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc, if you find it, can you link me up?
< 1306267221 525590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a parody of stupid BF derivatives
< 1306267229 306011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the stupidest BF derivative we can think of
< 1306267236 929296 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does my BF derivative count as stupid
< 1306267267 46277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: probably, although I haven't seen it; statistically speaking, most are
< 1306267290 25006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, was that the RLE one?
< 1306267299 416037 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH, Yes
< 1306267303 33781 :ralc!~ralc@dhcp164.akk.k-net.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897, elliott_ just linked it
< 1306267304 380588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was passively stupid.
< 1306267325 421454 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"passively" stupid?
< 1306267333 467432 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we should make a parody of stupid BF derivatives
< 1306267333 570661 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1306267333 681625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's the stupidest BF derivative we can think of
< 1306267338 62339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bf, but with the command meanings permuted
< 1306267340 34104 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrarily
< 1306267344 430489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's the stupidest BF derivative we can think of <-- that's deadfish. It is so stupid it is no longer turing complete.
< 1306267348 857182 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that already exists :(
< 1306267355 237825 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: brilliant
< 1306267361 910749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, as always
< 1306267364 350092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "passively" stupid?
< 1306267364 869975 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove <>[]
< 1306267368 496646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even consider Deadfish a BF deriv
< 1306267369 41665 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a squaring instruction
< 1306267372 158563 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the wrapping broken
< 1306267376 387627 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rename + and -
< 1306267380 441990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus misinterpret . as decimal output
< 1306267381 669835 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remove ,
< 1306267382 325754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in it wasn't an interesting idea, but it didn't actually take *effort* to be stupid.
< 1306267383 394763 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's genius
< 1306267387 216268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we just remove ]?
< 1306267387 520357 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't before now but now I have to
< 1306267392 2338 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1306267394 491589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit above command substitution.
< 1306267397 15411 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and then try and justify looping still being possible
< 1306267398 292469 :ralc!~ralc@dhcp164.akk.k-net.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just caught my attention, being a CS student myself.. one year teaches you sh*t
< 1306267398 921638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't even consider Deadfish a BF deriv <-- yes it is, if you kind of squint and move your head back and forth
< 1306267403 963077 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a[b is obviously the same as a[b[a[b[a[b[a[...
< 1306267450 773476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of Minimum
< 1306267455 619714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of my favourite joke languages
< 1306267458 393764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, another idea. bf with whitespace syntax.
< 1306267489 300148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it just caught my attention, being a CS student myself.. one year teaches you sh*t
< 1306267505 515370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I have not seen you before.
< 1306267508 654296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU A NEOPAGAN
< 1306267522 458434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a what
< 1306267533 116710 :ralc!~ralc@dhcp164.akk.k-net.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to google that
< 1306267533 198548 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is actually one valid Minimum program, depending on how you interpret things
< 1306267536 654290 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite string of `s
< 1306267540 14385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SECURELY LOCKED INTO THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY
< 1306267545 232747 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, it just hangs
< 1306267552 83639 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, who deleted my entry on the esolang wiki?
< 1306267554 795481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: there are multiple valid Minimum programs
< 1306267555 610375 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: ais523 did.
< 1306267572 683609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Minimum program is the application of one Minimum program to another, right?
< 1306267575 347269 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, someone's not talking to you
< 1306267582 625835 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: (Deletion log); 18:21 . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (deleted "GNU Operating System": factually incorrect, not particularly interesting, and not an esolang)
< 1306267586 108984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone doesn't give a shit
< 1306267613 317807 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's really hung up on it
< 1306267625 67694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly
< 1306267625 149858 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you deleted my entry on the esolang wiki?
< 1306267639 215871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: the deletion log is public knowledge, you know
< 1306267647 837245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, because there was no useful content there
< 1306267649 783965 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i don't know how to access it.
< 1306267654 458263 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you see you have to tell him you did so he can yell at you and waste your time.
< 1306267660 103268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing Special:Log/delete is probably the easiest way
< 1306267683 496383 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you think there was no useful content in there?
< 1306267721 923648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: well, /was/ there any useful content in there?
< 1306267732 609082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely observing that quines exist does not imply that something is an esolang
< 1306267773 923719 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would you say the kernel shebang interpreter is not an esolang?
< 1306267791 249934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it just runs arbitrary executables
< 1306267797 393603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, *tries to think of a haskell quine*. I guess you could do the usual way, but format strings simplify that quite a bit
< 1306267799 115427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a) useful, and b) computationally uninteresting
< 1306267802 611217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the opposite of an esolang
< 1306267816 557128 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many websites are there that explain its workings in full?
< 1306267873 331762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1306267876 422212 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​36)  augur: pretty true.
< 1306267918 939322 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i am asking because i believe the answer to that question challenges your notion that it's not an esoteric language.
< 1306267937 543999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: quite a few, I imagine, because it is very simple
< 1306267946 595284 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagination is not reality
< 1306267951 963031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if it's right
< 1306267955 226508 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMAGINATION IS NOT REALITY
< 1306267956 668282 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DREAMS ARE NOT REAL
< 1306267959 17259 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE WHAT YOU PERCEIVE
< 1306267965 809335 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vortex is higher-dimensional mathematics
< 1306267968 986226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't be bothered to find the relevant portion of the source code
< 1306267994 795236 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, your imagination is not right.
< 1306268015 527099 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really stupid way of saying "you're wrong"
< 1306268017 307343 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just google for "shebang interpreter" and see how many tutorials you find that explain e.g. how parameters are parsed there.
< 1306268020 81648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a stupid thing to say to start with
< 1306268023 566011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: you just made an unsubstantiated statement that something in particular did not exist on the internet
< 1306268024 882309 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody says "shebang interpreter"
< 1306268030 667496 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1306268032 985239 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not.
< 1306268034 827170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I invoke rule 35 on you right now, just to make you feel the implications
< 1306268048 559066 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have said "quite a few", and i have said that that was wrong.
< 1306268059 447490 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not quite a few" does not equal "none".
< 1306268147 127043 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a herp derp derp a derp derp derp derp
< 1306268150 254687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp derp? herp
< 1306268152 826187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp a derp a derp a derp
< 1306268161 348128 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i believe that's a logically sound argument. what do you answer to it?
< 1306268172 852047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: that your logic is very wrong (counterexample: INTERCAL)
< 1306268173 784015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :herpaderp-derp
< 1306268188 409154 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, counterexample to what?
< 1306268198 521126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, basically, that you're saying A! well, B might be relevant! You said C, but you're wrong, thus I win the argument!
< 1306268202 205640 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: deeeeeeeeeerp herp
< 1306268211 387155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does upgrading libc in ubuntu involve generating/compiling/herp-derping a million locales?
< 1306268214 878786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counterexample to B
< 1306268216 450432 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really ais523.
< 1306268222 52283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you being distracted by an irrelevant argument, anyway? his page did not fully explain the "shebang interpreter" anyway
< 1306268226 127777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you fill in the metasyntactic variables yourself, because they really don't matter
< 1306268235 577974 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so his argument is dismissable from the start
< 1306268238 817933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: because winning the argument three times is more fun than winning it once
< 1306268243 880320 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :)
< 1306268244 66418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've won it twice already
< 1306268246 253354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp_DERP.ISO-8859-7 will be so very useful for me
< 1306268253 710640 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: derp_HERP.HERP-DERP
< 1306268254 284683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I lost it the third time, but that was a very pointless argument
< 1306268260 497484 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is my argument: 1. an esoteric language is a language that is not widely understood 2. there are only very few widely known documents on this specific interpreter 3. therefore, it is not widely known 4. that makes it esoteric
< 1306268260 645012 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Gold and silver are now legal tender in Utah.
< 1306268264 561961 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I should keep a score card
< 1306268271 818517 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this changes *nothing* but the herp and the derp.
< 1306268277 200272 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: that is not a widely-accepted definition of esolang
< 1306268286 302730 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, our frontpage directly contradicts it
< 1306268289 645320 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does wikipedia
< 1306268292 72228 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, there's someone who's not talking to you
< 1306268297 778526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: I disagree with 1 and 4, and I think 2 and 3 may also both be wrong
< 1306268298 728681 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An esoteric programming language (sometimes shortened to esolang) is a programming language designed as a test of the boundaries of computer programming language design, as a proof of concept, or as a joke."
< 1306268320 588418 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as someone who would not accept gold for a debt is a complete moron)
< 1306268327 144060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: Nobody is talking to you; I'm sitting from the sidelines mocking you, and ais523 is apparently bored enough to try and humour you
< 1306268335 406430 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's definitely nothing so mutually intellectual as talking going on.
< 1306268360 370122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you forgot to mention olsner
< 1306268375 92520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: olsner isn't talking, he's monologuing :)
< 1306268377 730305 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is pikhq_
< 1306268382 541847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, also, at this point, me
< 1306268382 651769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1306268391 190050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_'s statements were interesting, but I have nothing to say in response to them
< 1306268402 564688 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just herping the derps, don't mind me
< 1306268407 326589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My power is immense.
< 1306268413 473055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CONTROL THE UNIVERSE
< 1306268428 138404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I mean to ask; what exactly does herp mean, and how does it differ from derp?
< 1306268433 598841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually curious enough to look it up
< 1306268438 923442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found explanations of derp, but not herp
< 1306268443 139449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, why would you even make that legal tender.
< 1306268453 660107 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Herp and derp are the two constituent components of herp derp.
< 1306268457 316088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because herp derp.
< 1306268458 669275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in other news, the sr_CS.ISO-8859-5@jekavian locale is broken
< 1306268459 353797 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG THAT'S WHAT OUR WORST BF DERIVATIVE MUST BE
< 1306268464 242087 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook, but with herp and derp rather than ook and punctuation
< 1306268467 906924 :ralc!~ralc@dhcp164.akk.k-net.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that being in here long enough...
< 1306268474 195622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: sorry about this
< 1306268479 48915 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, programming the shebang interpreter is by definition hard, because it's not meant to be programmed in
< 1306268481 159240 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: Rots the brain, indeed
< 1306268489 108198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, sigh, you're aiming too low.
< 1306268490 295265 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ralc: Especially when cheater's talking.
< 1306268491 989026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: nor is MS Paint
< 1306268511 318575 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you figured out how to computer-program ms paint, i'd applaud.
< 1306268515 61536 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, your MS Paint tic-tac-toe AI counts as a proof that esoteric programming can be done in Paint
< 1306268520 115004 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't prove MS Paint an esolang, ofc
< 1306268523 735720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst BF derivatives are those that, in dbc's words, attempt to make a luxury car by sticking parts onto a skateboard.
< 1306268529 764219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: he did.
< 1306268536 326266 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then there you go.
< 1306268536 874454 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone not talking to you herp derp
< 1306268545 288163 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man what, you're talking to me sometimes??
< 1306268550 643715 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a quantum talking flag?
< 1306268557 677506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think a separate term is needed for trying to use things not intended as programming languages at all as esoprograms
< 1306268561 292932 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you have a problem with tenses. are you sure you're british?
< 1306268564 514677 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And then remaking the skateboard out of herp derp.
< 1306268565 139838 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an immigrant?
< 1306268578 881938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went and implemented the same tic-tac-toe program in a variety of other programs I had lying around on the computer too
< 1306268582 837405 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just jumped off the ship, elliott?
< 1306268584 585732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as Powerpoint and WinHlp32
< 1306268586 363488 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: hmm, the fact that nobody actually wants to talk to you is now blatantly obvious to everyone watching
< 1306268591 563581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, either you're extremely dense, or a troll
< 1306268600 766411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes, but superfluous additions to the language that fail to understand minimalism are crucial to making the Platonic worst BF derivative.
< 1306268603 678312 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I already expected both, so that doesn't actually prove anything either way conclusively
< 1306268607 282047 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how did you implement it in there?
< 1306268609 664772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I /think/ it was winhelp (16-bit)'s format, being implemented for backwards compatibility
< 1306268613 930280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: it's not hard
< 1306268624 268428 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that does not answer the question, though.
< 1306268633 86126 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... MS paint tic-tac-toe AI‽
< 1306268637 294983 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Link.
< 1306268637 878058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that you can express a tic-tac-toe solver as a finite state machine
< 1306268649 539336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: it was on filebin.ca, so is probably down by now
< 1306268649 678112 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make MS paint tic-tac-tie AI or programming the shebang interpreter?
< 1306268651 195004 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: spoiler: it works with the flood tool
< 1306268654 845581 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and near-invisible wires
< 1306268655 106671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can repost it on imgur or somewhere
< 1306268663 20505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please do.
< 1306268666 114925 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, do it
< 1306268671 288259 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: imgur, perfect web host for Piet and MS Paint programs
< 1306268678 603761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this file is so old its filename is in uppercase
< 1306268680 745579 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Beautiful.
< 1306268691 870012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ll OANDX.BMP
< 1306268693 175128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ais523 ais523 599574 2003-11-04 01:05 OANDX.BMP
< 1306268697 742155 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The flood tool is actually fairly computationally impressive IMO
< 1306268711 430513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue was getting rid of wire-crossings
< 1306268732 52004 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the wire-crossing problem ever been conclusively solved?
< 1306268733 953372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it hasn't
< 1306268743 183775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah Gnome's file chooser is the most annoying ever
< 1306268748 467032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, yes
< 1306268760 317233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I tried, but gave up when I figured out I didn't actually know what the wire-crossing problem meant
< 1306268765 458904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, both me and ais523 have come to the conclusion that it is so poorly-defined that it cannot be solved in any meaningful way.
< 1306268786 244888 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is programming the shebang interpreter supposted to means?
< 1306268801 253916 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it means next to nothing
< 1306268803 55943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ip6xZ.png
< 1306268812 592121 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: caret
< 1306268833 462599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, imgur's translating of it to .png will prevent it opening in Windows 3.1
< 1306268840 284697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although presumably more modern versions of Paint will be able to cope
< 1306268842 953442 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes
< 1306268899 552868 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not sure if there are actually theories that don't pertain to Lord English in that thread, but you should ask there anyway."
< 1306268911 340161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ouch that border is ugly
< 1306268924 82297 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: stop reading the worst forum :P
< 1306268944 602480 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it the worst forum? Just because it's official in some sense?
< 1306268957 213765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, you have not seen the things we have.
< 1306268959 407146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the worst forum because it's the worst forum
< 1306268966 527509 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmm, does it do perfect play?
< 1306268966 674363 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol
< 1306268968 738934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so dramatic
< 1306268971 544828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would this work with any fill tool?
< 1306268984 582733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: any with the same algorithm, ofc
< 1306268995 546009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: no, in that it doesn't always take an opportunity to win
< 1306268998 204096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it never loses
< 1306269029 875371 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah it is because of the way X&O game works, it is possible to do this.
< 1306269030 893770 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306269030 974969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: any tool that changes the color of an area of constant color
< 1306269033 854060 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there a version where the wires etc. are difficult to see?
< 1306269034 509360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed
< 1306269043 131665 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other games you might can't.
< 1306269043 213494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: that is that version
< 1306269057 248789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: they were on a 640x480 screen on a computer with 4-bit color depth
< 1306269066 855636 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1306269072 577146 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: This is for Win 3.1 colors.
< 1306269088 148085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can see them anyway once they turn black
< 1306269215 102049 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do more complicated things like that by using fiood fills that have a tolerance value?
< 1306269253 600120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you are a god among men.
< 1306269256 801648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ooh, interesting
< 1306269258 648503 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1306269262 358778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would allow wire-crossing
< 1306269271 749385 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a tolerance of one
< 1306269273 142862 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could have
< 1306269274 328625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|
< 1306269275 215710 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-----
< 1306269275 755852 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|
< 1306269280 740165 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the two |s have colours two pixels away
< 1306269283 444920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I experimented along those lines; I concluded it was probably possible, but failed to make anything interesting
< 1306269285 433827 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the +- is in between the two colours
< 1306269291 938568 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that allows wire-crossing
< 1306269292 909899 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1306269301 85622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Burn worked along similar lines, IIRC
< 1306269304 917789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't remember how
< 1306269307 308270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I don't think it does...
< 1306269312 583687 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's a problem, though
< 1306269316 570570 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need /recursive/ tolerance
< 1306269319 127087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After it runs once the crossing is reset.
< 1306269329 628513 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's irrelevant, everything is once-only here
< 1306269334 973005 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i.e. it has to be tolerance relative to the last pixel you coloured
< 1306269341 373942 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, a crossed wire can't cross on to another wire
< 1306269341 848737 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1306269347 434924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, well, OK.
< 1306269351 254018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: indeed
< 1306269370 283516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that wouldn't work either
< 1306269376 327512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the crossing wouldn't work at all
< 1306269382 880607 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to MSPA forum horribleness?
< 1306269440 422561 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the linux kernel has a special interpreter built in
< 1306269462 936691 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it interprets the first line of scripts that you run as executables. the first line has the form of #!/bin/bash or something like that.
< 1306269498 751783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: that is not a programming language interpreter
< 1306269504 298297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs executables, that's it
< 1306269504 399540 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: I know that. I think it has to start #! followed by the filename of the program, and a space and parameter and then a line feed
< 1306269536 449074 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, kinda, yes
< 1306269555 692003 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no
< 1306269573 169768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to have +x permissions on the file.
< 1306269659 317738 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, pretty much, yes, except for versions of unix where that's not the case.
< 1306269694 805268 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you realise he's not going to listen to you no matter what you say?
< 1306269708 541075 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does not run executables, just specific one
< 1306269708 943842 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1306269775 258068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: In what versions of UNIX does it differ, and in what ways?
< 1306269786 861667 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well you don't always have +x..
< 1306269877 637986 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1306269978 181936 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Q: The Homestuck TVTropes page says-
< 1306269978 331934 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: The TVTropes page is a joke."
< 1306270181 647012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/execve.html (search for the "rationale" section)
< 1306270211 272653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that the reason that you yourself couldn't find a widely available description of shebang lines is that it is, in fact, not standardised, and merely a POSIX-sanctioned behaviour for running executables
< 1306270214 618147 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :

RATIONALE

< 1306270221 22772 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have used an anchor :-) < 1306270225 664019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I was wondering about htat < 1306270235 201634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't find any obvious way to determine what it is < 1306270237 158306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1306270241 703903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't want to check the source < 1306270253 116075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because the site uses frames < 1306270257 435739 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspecting the element works < 1306270261 713380 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both chrome and Firefox-with-firebug < 1306270267 252775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its source is pretty clean, though < 1306270277 389015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't want to load Firebug either < 1306270303 119640 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, Firebug has a performance penalty < 1306270305 853830 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such silly browsers >:) < 1306270336 274857 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, many versions of the interpreter will not execute scripts as the embedded interpreter < 1306270368 951528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, where'd you get that quote from? < 1306270384 392022 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?37956-MSPA-Simple-Questions-Thread < 1306270402 476034 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: /msg ping. < 1306270486 984722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: /msg ping. < 1306270533 762273 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, scripts are executables too.. but those versions of the kernels will only execute binaries. < 1306270546 417299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: you lost the argument ages ago < 1306270547 961392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice, in fact < 1306270554 824535 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what argument < 1306270555 522709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not entirely sure why you're still trying < 1306270564 292977 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think i'm still going on with that argument? < 1306270578 572652 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit ill. < 1306270583 741024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not arguing, I'm just responding to counterarguments you're making." < 1306270585 527099 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all right? < 1306270602 304864 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder who here /isn't/ mentally ill according to cheater < 1306270605 915547 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just cheater < 1306270607 840709 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand erratic behaviour from elliott_, he's not really completely right in the head < 1306270647 968609 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, i think the set is {elliott}^c < 1306270674 932348 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: i sent you a /msg < 1306270699 839364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes the powerset of elliott < 1306270701 520252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no real reason < 1306270713 93478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: it's {elliott, not elliott}) < 1306270714 143118 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1306270805 267375 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: if you invested as much energy into being friendly as you do into being repulsive, we'd both be much happier. < 1306270841 375167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I've tried being friendly to you but it turns out you're too stupid < 1306270844 51908 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, either way, i agree with you that maybe that page doesn't belong on the esolang wiki. < 1306270855 83439 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nope, you've never. < 1306270866 53075 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, actually, I was quite friendly to you when you first came here, so was everyone else < 1306270872 895692 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i think you're right there should be a place for this sort of thing < 1306270883 188036 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when on earth did ais523 say that? < 1306270908 391847 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, then you had a mental breakdown and picked a target, and becuase no one else wanted you to live it out on them, they just ignored it, and then went with it < 1306270930 664957 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. absolutely. this is definitely what you believe. < 1306270940 264855 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that conversation doesn't really belong in here. < 1306270945 769183 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does anything else you say < 1306270949 86969 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might as well < 1306270994 906639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God cheater897 you really suck. < 1306271010 604759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what /was/ that program you ran in B Nomic? < 1306271011 441317 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you somehow come up with an area on the esolang wiki to put the "usual" languages, i can populate it with "funny" behaviour in a few languages. < 1306271014 412858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you did, but not what it did < 1306271016 579774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The most eloquent message ever said. < 1306271023 726462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: That's not ais' decision to make and it doesn't belong on the esolang wiki. < 1306271025 535324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: I don't have the userrights to do that sort of thing < 1306271026 234246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's minimalist! < 1306271032 623793 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh ok < 1306271043 339091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only person who could sign away their server space to being filled with your absolutely retarded ideas is Graue. < 1306271043 453869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if I could, wouldn't without Graue's approval, and especially not since the category debacle < 1306271058 640940 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Graue is somehow stupid enough to, though. Or maybe we'll fork and Timwi will be the new admin :-P < 1306271065 317780 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh alright. < 1306271072 343559 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the category debacle? < 1306271089 667317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's on [[Esolang talk:Categories]], but i can't remember < 1306271151 685570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey elliott_ you really suck as well come at me breakdownily bro. < 1306271179 577560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I hate you so much. Totes. < 1306271182 664745 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legit hate going on here. < 1306271191 422335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate hate hate hate hate. < 1306271193 588008 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you mean this? http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Talk:Categories < 1306271201 211220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: Put things about "funny" behaviour in a few "usual" languages in subpages of your userpages if it doesn't go with the normal stuff. < 1306271240 858552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater897: no, that's a blank page < 1306271254 521280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorisation < 1306271255 101144 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i know. what url did you mean then? < 1306271258 57230 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1306271266 310465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming I've remembered the name right < 1306271270 924039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I didn't < 1306271280 603226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE ELLIOTT SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED HOOVER FILTERS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR ELLIOTT AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE. < 1306271289 717742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page does exist, I just can't remember where it is.. < 1306271290 667500 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: z not s? < 1306271331 508617 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is even more breakdown-relieving than cheater897 < 1306271333 859843 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I possibly thank you < 1306271358 982457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By dying. Also, dying painfully. < 1306271368 468423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In sequence? < 1306271369 602584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hatey McHate the Hate. < 1306271376 506366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306271380 788023 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on it. < 1306271382 775130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you were right, it is indeed z rather than s < 1306271391 849663 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Americans running our wiki :| < 1306271420 264926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to die painfully about 200 times before I started not hating you. < 1306271426 422377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that page only hits the tail end of the debacle < 1306271427 74017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, quick, rename it. < 1306271431 956102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAUE WILL NEVER KNOW < 1306271432 744035 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that posix page you linked is confusing < 1306271436 798552 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applications that do not require to access their arguments may use the form: < 1306271436 908585 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(void) < 1306271436 990567 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as specified in the ISO C standard. However, the implementation will always provide the two arguments argc and argv, even if they are not used. < 1306271445 743948 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two arguments will be provided that cannot possibly be accessed in any way < 1306271456 937292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's POSIX, did you expect it to make sense? < 1306271460 710223 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, passing two arguments to a (void) function might even break some conforming C implementations, no? < 1306271465 114296 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them, even < 1306271470 955902 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll corrupt the stack < 1306271478 882228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and main is special < 1306271495 877644 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306271514 101365 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's kind of a pity that MediaWiki makes a distinction between articles and categories (instead of, say, just having some sort of general "can-be-classified-under" association between articles.) What if I want to see a list of all languages designed by Gerson Kurz, for instance...?" < 1306271520 931827 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to tell Chris Pressey about "what links here" six years ago < 1306271619 76071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the LHC! < 1306271640 547654 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User_talk:Stux#Incident is the actual beginning of the categorisation drama < 1306271642 580718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The LHC can be used for any science whatsoever.) < 1306271649 383174 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although can it really be said to be drama if Graue is the only participant? < 1306271652 410636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Categorical Incident. < 1306271661 956965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was drama, and I think other people commented on it < 1306271662 65931 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, someone brave should add an {{unsigned}} template to that < 1306271664 497914 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Graue wrote it < 1306271670 536452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone /very/ brave < 1306271678 490593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am brave. < 1306271681 250520 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, Graue's other comment < 1306271683 739039 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ends with ~~ < 1306271691 387686 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Keymaker used ~~~~~ by mistake too later on < 1306271694 817363 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such sloppiness < 1306271696 930479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK I am foolhardy but there's basically no difference. < 1306271715 547373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I appreciate your response Graue for replying to my post and explaining your actions (No offense, but Graue, could you sign your posts more often? It's taken me 3 months to realize that it was one of your replies posted here). < 1306271719 986443 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: statements like that are also why you're not our leader < 1306271860 853245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, do you think we have consensus for [[Category:Turning tarpits]]? < 1306271880 360231 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a few days, if no one complains, I'll add the category." --Maharba in April < 1306271893 500098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think so < 1306271918 862154 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates < 1306272016 198464 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :created < 1306272021 403170 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and added to appropriate pages < 1306272034 645003 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(→Incident - Add unsigned. Also, why does this thing demand a timestamp.) < 1306272041 379490 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because you should include a template < 1306272042 405467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1306272044 276133 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because you should include a timestamp < 1306272054 629337 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please fix it so I don't have to, I'm lazy :) < 1306272058 475006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes but I really can't be bothered checking the history. < 1306272060 812914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am lazier. < 1306272063 363379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I hate you. < 1306272069 738104 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here, you do it < 1306272089 784194 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stux&diff=2936&oldid=2935 < 1306272092 402731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue top-posts, too < 1306272108 862121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mediawiki that is a sin < 1306272141 374067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :email and Usenet, too < 1306272147 388252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet another reason LQT is bad and people who like it should be shot. < 1306272152 16390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1306272152 98035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people top-post when emailing me, I edit their message into a bottom-post before replying to it < 1306272161 478702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, LQT? < 1306272165 791969 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I usually omit nested quotes < 1306272172 512300 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're usually irrelevant/annoying in email < 1306272189 697245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so do I < 1306272196 642274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the case where they're relevant, I edit them into top-posts < 1306272201 486419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, crappy thing for thread management in MW. < 1306272236 643771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh? < 1306272252 105380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh an extension? < 1306272262 372685 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306272265 334399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explaining would derail the conversation pointlessly, so you might as well just Google it. < 1306272279 782089 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306272314 413569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pointless derails are what IRC discussions are mostly made of, aren't they? < 1306272355 201891 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if Graue upgraded the wiki. < 1306272366 245718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LQT SYMPATHISER < 1306272367 999721 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Vector would expose the trilime's horrible white edges. < 1306272372 420877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YET ANOTHER REASON TO HATE YOU < 1306272375 674744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1306272406 666919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why do we have the trilime for the logo < 1306272417 587661 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have asked that at least twenty times. < 1306272422 543382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, nope < 1306272424 784219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1306272429 773457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, no more than 19 < 1306272432 193331 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't grep for "trilime" since I'm the only person who calls it that :P < 1306272441 845085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, right, why then < 1306272501 9934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why what? < 1306272517 329105 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if anyone knows why < 1306272526 939090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, why the logo < 1306272578 768198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ask ais523, he's the one you normally ask. < 1306272587 30635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, eh why < 1306272596 565825 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't be arsed to answer < 1306272599 137982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I ask you this time < 1306272606 35776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so far, he's statistically asked about Google's, YouTube's, and Apple's logos more often than Esolangs < 1306272619 527006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Firefox's < 1306272621 707888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have asked about apple's logo? < 1306272632 380254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think I complained about firefox logo < 1306272633 687410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am so glad you are keeping track of this < 1306272634 488774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, mostly about the positioning on an iPhone-alike < 1306272644 67166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I wasn't, I'm just messing with grep < 1306272655 793144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so tell me about the esolang logo... < 1306272668 277351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume I have a short memory or something < 1306272674 1172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Haskell's too < 1306272678 884455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there isn't much to say < 1306272689 271984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right, that's all? :P < 1306272694 794446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the official answer is "it's just an image Graue chose as a placeholder, and people decided they liked it" < 1306272717 355824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306272734 660202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it public domain? < 1306272748 786281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1306272757 270676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so, given that it's on the wiki, but I don't know for certain < 1306272759 352716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrr I wish I still had the -- aha < 1306272763 813948 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it... no. < 1306272765 132872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1306272766 63770 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1306272804 822554 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it. < 1306272805 503507 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mca-ltd.com/martin/Ten15/introduction.html < 1306272859 538709 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The compilers were (loosely speaking) just functions from "text objects" to module values, and a module value was just a record containing the interface specification, and compiled data and function values. There were no such things as include files; if a program needed to link with a library, then (a capability to) the library's module value was simply inserted into the persistent "text object" holding the program's source." < 1306272880 600934 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmed in Algol-68 except with first class functions. < 1306272881 828849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO COOL. < 1306272887 105183 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OS GC. < 1306272985 247827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Algol but with first class functions? what was the syntax for declaring variables that held functions? < 1306272986 171781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is this @lgol? < 1306273281 708162 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE IT WIKIA < 1306273316 493841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have you been randomly cursing Wikia lately. < 1306273331 781541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because Wikia deserves to be randomly sweared at < 1306273338 21224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you on the MSPA wiki and being driven mad by the interstitials? < 1306273340 722375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I have. < 1306273353 54132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the skin thing was the last straw for me < 1306273377 575447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still read it sometimes, but have a browser extension force it to monobook, and no longer correct mistakes I see on Wikia wikis < 1306273482 209920 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, more by my inability to just middle-click external links < 1306273494 807886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's extremely frustrating. < 1306273522 797794 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least right-click -> open in new tab works properly for me < 1306273538 89177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to make a Greasemonkey script to disable it, but it didn't work. < 1306273550 846790 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely remembers that his trackpad doesn't have a middle button, and that he < 1306273556 763832 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been Ctrl-clicking < 1306273596 82402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine does, but I've been control-clicking anyway < 1306273597 370448 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_: Algol but with first class functions? what was the syntax for declaring variables that held functions? < 1306273605 346706 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just let functions escape their closure thing < 1306273610 236483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, same as declaring a nested one < 1306273610 891806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to middle-click, you have to simultaneously hold down both ends of the button bar, or else tap the top-right corner < 1306273614 878752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ah, OK < 1306273657 364170 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I middle-click with three fingers FWIW < 1306273694 258091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the touchpad here can't detect that < 1306273701 778534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or the driver can't, but that seems less likely < 1306273713 362827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it acts like a single-touch touchpad would if you put multiple fingers on it < 1306273727 860405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a proper middlebutton for my trackpoint, but not for the touchpad < 1306273736 107940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I use the touch pad < 1306273801 665015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it doesn't work in OS X, but it does in Linux < 1306273875 744777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how do you do it in OS X? < 1306274014 156593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1306274083 442899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: ::: < 1306274101 210850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306274160 496777 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306274464 216009 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing samba will allow use of the gnome file sharing preference on ubuntu, right? < 1306274484 475937 :ralc!~ralc@dhcp164.akk.k-net.dk QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306274500 608903 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to recommend apache, though < 1306274764 22537 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306275035 925146 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306275067 112434 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-14.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306275347 45699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306275843 774134 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1306276531 721972 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-54.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306276818 895586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1306276820 114065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306277061 103160 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i used to really not understand filesystem organisation. < 1306277501 67732 :TOGoS1!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306277638 991100 :TOGoS1!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1306277873 734163 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching Samba shares: the slowest thing? < 1306277985 193920 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1306278023 539601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :New post on the forum (and a reply by me) < 1306278066 812274 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUND THE ALARM BELLS < 1306278070 960476 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Timwi asking how to contact Graue? < 1306278074 306360 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell is very cold today: DNF went gold. < 1306278081 399690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no < 1306278087 395302 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: AND someone posted on the esolangs forum < 1306278090 89682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more interesting than that :D < 1306278094 517023 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He's done that at least twice to my knowledge :P < 1306278096 955445 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Hell is positively chilly, then. < 1306278098 812401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even thrice. < 1306278110 383914 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not much, if you already know this stuff) < 1306278132 682008 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder who's spreading such MISCONCEPTIONS < 1306278156 407375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses who is elliott_'s first suspect < 1306278178 131460 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it will almost certainly be out June 14. < 1306278178 335835 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm who is my first suspect in your estimation < 1306278186 196968 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, you mean the /real/ date of the rapture < 1306278188 967671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone was just off by a few < 1306278195 146866 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless some horrendous mishap occurs) < 1306278199 771685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE. < 1306278212 161968 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yes, the rapture will actually take up the true believers in Duke. < 1306278263 953514 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game will probably be inevitably shitty < 1306278288 571022 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't go that far. It *could* actually be decent. < 1306278297 204399 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It most *certainly* will fail to live up to the hype. < 1306278540 693740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the rapture < 1306278566 185247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is my old code :(((((((( < 1306278586 986641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bits rotted < 1306278591 697342 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1306278596 845711 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an important part of my childhood oerjan < 1306278628 999688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306278629 336221 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well :P < 1306278629 506351 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty facetious < 1306278629 588385 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you couldn't tell < 1306278629 976697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1306278641 136334 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean < 1306278691 352585 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly part of my childhood insofar as I never bothered having one ;D < 1306278694 108190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: because Wikia deserves to be randomly sweared at < 1306278705 149370 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with ais being emotional lately < 1306278729 433681 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has? < 1306278737 318196 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was an example < 1306278740 370328 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1306278742 597826 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:41:21: CURSE IT WIKIA < 1306278742 908654 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:41:56: Why have you been randomly cursing Wikia lately. < 1306278742 989789 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:42:11: Phantom_Hoover: because Wikia deserves to be randomly sweared at < 1306278745 793699 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought ais523 was Dr. Gears < 1306278751 973304 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just ais expressing a standard anti-Wikia position < 1306278758 93454 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phrased in a humorous manner wrt Sgeo's line < 1306278769 799714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: note that ais isn't the one who actually cursed. < 1306278776 21087 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well he elaborated a bit < 1306278783 201436 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "CURSE IT" a curse? < 1306278786 498504 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that's emotional < 1306278790 640923 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: by ais' standards, probably < 1306278791 809994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i didn't recall him having that strong opinions < 1306278804 4933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've just not paid attention < 1306278807 926260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... doesn't seem strong at all to me :D < 1306278814 900029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aargh, curse Windows < 1306278818 607316 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why have you been cursing Windows lately. < 1306278819 166449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: there was that event the other day though < 1306278822 552390 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Windows deserves it < 1306278826 290922 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what event? < 1306278847 497637 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I said "curse" it and not a word I wanted to say since I didn't want to offend ais523 < 1306278848 601200 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I'm being dense < 1306278859 116540 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: he doesn't care about inanimate objects, AFAICT < 1306278862 763243 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed other people, much < 1306278873 105289 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's if you curse him to eternal damnation that he gets paranoid < 1306278880 63751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how dare you! < 1306278883 530862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it < 1306278899 255238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:33:03: you mentioned SpectateSwamp in here? < 1306278899 405051 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:33:05: how dare you! < 1306278902 34990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously joking < 1306278913 980043 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may not be obvious if you're not familiar with spectateswamp < 1306278923 368470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i am not < 1306278951 127602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the rest of the conversation seemed to imply someone a bit nutty < 1306278977 140401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bit" < 1306279098 353861 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember someone linked a site claiming he's the stupidest person in the world but that's it < 1306279133 124625 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306279208 39709 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS THIIIIS < 1306279261 193227 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site itself or the instance of someone linking to it < 1306279269 440613 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you talking to yourself < 1306279335 643399 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself < 1306279590 884128 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, where ii2 thii2 < 1306279693 786913 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're now replacing the letter i2 with i2? Thii2 plan cannot poi2i2ibly be bad! < 1306279731 810259 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letter "is"? < 1306279735 261856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i2/i2/i2/g < 1306279776 373636 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's sollux's typing quirk < 1306279785 93606 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: i saved you from a long and probably cringeworthy explanation line you're welcome < 1306279798 502441 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you mean i2ollux? < 1306279811 84494 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2ollux < 1306279820 877718 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i might mean tholluckths < 1306279835 391421 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry [asterisk]tholluckth < 1306279839 242575 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, s/i/ii/g < 1306279843 453821 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/2/g < 1306279912 225374 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just turned his message into "you mean ii2ollux", congratulations < 1306279945 561726 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize that character at the start of your linei2, I2geo. < 1306279947 882597 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: you also forgot s//two/ but unfortunately most regexp engines don't have DWIM replacements so i will let it pass < 1306280075 876458 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1306280543 878903 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thii2 remindi2 me of the problem with i2ubi2tituting i2ingle characteri2 in /// < 1306280571 575731 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'i2 irreveri2ible) < 1306280674 332837 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop butchering the quirk ;_; < 1306280682 40167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little pang of pain pains inside me each time < 1306280706 210735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also of Victor Borge's number incrementation < 1306280720 8793 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i butchering? < 1306280744 66706 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's one i gets replaced with ii < 1306280749 622485 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And s gets replaced with 2 < 1306280757 145360 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1306280763 312759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2orry about that < 1306280766 460543 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gets replaced with two < 1306280780 736561 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound of "to", too < 1306280785 100925 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird how in some circumstances, it's indistinguishable from what you proposed < 1306280792 814712 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the "to" in "tonight" doesn't exactly sound like "too" but he still says twonight < 1306280794 535153 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1306280796 467164 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i arguing about this < 1306280797 962383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stupid < 1306280829 321496 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for with four, iirc < 1306280835 719987 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiiirc < 1306280851 927508 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't think so but i'll check < 1306280881 867002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY6kElOYcd8 < 1306280906 489668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Nope, in fact he's never said four, not once < 1306280918 146901 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(grepped /four/ on http://mspaintadventures.com/?search=6_2) < 1306280936 686968 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great waste of a minute there elliott < 1306280939 102796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i agree elliott < 1306280944 157341 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1306280945 622178 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1306280953 297935 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1306281020 358740 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh perhaps it is in my documents < 1306281029 883984 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am searching my _really_ old files) < 1306281116 336729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling for "sollux" without adding something like "cartoon" doesn't work very well < 1306281138 447648 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the image hits on page two gave a clue < 1306281152 266122 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it is the first link here < 1306281157 761383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sollux Captor - MS Paint Adventures Wiki < 1306281162 410629 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise google personalises the results, but < 1306281172 770433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306281187 79966 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Sollux_Captor < 1306281226 845811 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was 4th here, and somehow my eyes passed it because the "Captor" looked like the kind of thing you would add to the boat trademark that was my first hits < 1306281271 292808 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1306281285 221780 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a norwegian boat company < 1306281338 111543 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use norwegian google? < 1306281339 944235 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it if so < 1306281357 566679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally < 1306281375 553864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that's the _only_ relevant hit on the first page < 1306281637 633332 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's front page was weird in 2006 < 1306281647 621789 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a copy of it in this directory for no obvious reason... < 1306281664 62180 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306281824 394025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh dagbladet.no has a title translating as "Judgement day may still be close - as now "Duke Nukem Forever" is finished." < 1306281861 344543 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stole my joke CRY < 1306281869 461035 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to find thesef iles am I :( < 1306281873 183842 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]these files < 1306281880 916497 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you put a good word in with the synchronicity gods for me < 1306281897 662251 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you think they listen to ME? < 1306281915 45252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Synchronicity Gods; Please give Elliott Hird a clue. Amen. < 1306281920 41713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1306281926 261197 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said i wanted a clue < 1306281932 539949 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy being clueless < 1306281948 126450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Ian guy sure talks a lot < 1306281949 116508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no they don't listen to me, that's true. You should be safe. < 1306281959 860723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not. < 1306282083 361393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sucks :[ < 1306282205 94083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note my landlady chose the best possible week to take a vacation in mallorca... < 1306282226 551284 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say mallorca? weird < 1306282235 304083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not see her again in a while. < 1306282242 107177 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1306282269 296403 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's how it's spelled, isn't it < 1306282350 567441 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always see majorca < 1306282355 867962 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp article title agrees with me < 1306282359 382955 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Majorca (or Mallorca) (Catalan: Mallorca, IPA: [məˈʎɔrkə] or [məˈʎɔrcə]; Spanish: Mallorca, IPA: [maˈʎorka]) < 1306282376 222836 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has she gone to Deutschland too? :D < 1306282446 590398 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1306282546 16180 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just generate a list of every single file on the drive to find it < 1306282652 598912 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the majorca spelling is not used in norwegian, neither is majorka which would be the complete retranscription (and which seems to be used in polish) < 1306282719 728270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably does not have an old enough connection to norway to get a norwegianized name < 1306282813 288131 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306282820 365339 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone say hi to my old old lisp bot < 1306282823 332680 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9 < 1306282823 627612 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1306282823 979202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1306282826 733938 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> () < 1306282827 33825 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1306282827 287761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1306282829 507649 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306282830 4623 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306282833 810396 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good prefix choice < 1306282845 414341 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (<) < 1306282845 559429 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err) need at least 2 args, got 0 < 1306282846 13355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a -> GHC.Bool.Bool) < 1306282846 111921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisin... < 1306282856 204491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (set x 9) < 1306282856 285409 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err) unbound: x < 1306282856 904806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `set' < 1306282858 713604 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (define x 9) < 1306282858 878360 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1306282859 310340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `define' < 1306282862 967513 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (undefine x) < 1306282863 369287 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1306282863 628701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `undefine' < 1306282865 444187 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefine < 1306282865 588560 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#native-function:9 < 1306282865 979302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `undefine' < 1306282868 959290 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (gc) < 1306282869 133736 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err) unbound: gc < 1306282869 605292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `gc' < 1306282872 885121 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1306282877 864032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bound gc < 1306282890 781382 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306282933 201866 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306282935 761617 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (gc) < 1306282936 161499 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(47 47 27) < 1306282936 418728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `gc' < 1306282947 603833 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :### running gc with 47 items < 1306282947 684748 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :### gc done, 25 items now < 1306282950 552731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what on earth it freed? < 1306282952 216652 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _prev < 1306282952 761343 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(py err) AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'val' < 1306282952 864445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `_prev' < 1306282957 154270 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exit < 1306282957 677667 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#native-function:2b < 1306282957 758864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `exit' < 1306282961 843560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (exit) < 1306282962 273451 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306282962 456996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `exit' < 1306282969 311035 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306282974 218978 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (lambda) < 1306282974 576480 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err) need at least 2 args, got 0 < 1306282974 835622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `lambda' < 1306282976 292625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (lambda () x) < 1306282976 686276 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#function:41 < 1306282976 870231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `lambda' < 1306283013 115983 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (define hog (lambda (n) (if (> n 9999) () (cons 'x (hog (+ n 1)))))) < 1306283013 462536 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#function:69 < 1306283013 649490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1306283013 731430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1306283018 524010 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (hog 0) < 1306283018 935963 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(py err) AttributeError: 'bool' object has no attribute 'val' < 1306283019 151898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `hog' < 1306283022 957588 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1306283028 194584 :lithpbot!~lithp@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306283029 410141 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL < 1306283114 467449 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306283186 174071 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would annoy Vorpal to no end if he could see it < 1306283420 155089 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306283446 339165 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306283446 421240 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306283455 158559 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306283460 413322 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk < 1306283466 574599 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HONK < 1306283650 522970 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to use tunes < 1306283731 164101 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306283744 325898 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tunes are like flowers < 1306283753 816376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayhaps < 1306283755 113267 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306283782 681625 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flowers in summer are like idiots in spring THIS IS FACTUAL < 1306283929 138752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306283936 636808 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1306283990 727495 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306284882 865017 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306285297 748141 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1306285299 56281 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5] Please act expeditiously to remove the file-downloads found at the following URLs: < 1306285299 138277 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileserve.com/file/cWAKEDR < 1306285299 541238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1306285301 433307 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Sony, to GitHub < 1306285311 990077 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we'll get right on it!" < 1306285515 558179 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gone < 1306285516 648357 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1306285571 659555 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with ps3 homebrew it seems < 1306285577 597888 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the rest of the links in https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2011-01-27-sony.markdown < 1306285584 537355 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are less humorous as they actually link to github < 1306285585 383752 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306285780 879636 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306285794 26575 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306287827 866266 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306288499 198849 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d93299e2.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306288507 334118 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d93299e2.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1306288687 637662 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the files are gone forever rip < 1306289190 262322 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d93299e2.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306289750 943774 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is with the full−width Latin, anyways? < 1306290498 582112 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backwards compatjewbility. < 1306290504 355269 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Shift-JIS art would break without it. :p < 1306290730 141305 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A 4.7 GB DVD-R full of one-time-pad data, if shredded into particles 1 mm² in size, leaves over 100 kibibits of (admittedly hard to recover, but not impossibly so) data on each particle." < 1306290748 556210 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever actually recovered from those particles < 1306290912 174144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306291382 569183 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306291539 284169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306292911 773942 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Shift-JIS art breaks without the right *fonts*... < 1306293068 594783 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(many of the characters used in Shift-JIS art are actually proportional, and so the art assumes the metrics of MS PGothic) < 1306293204 47499 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IPAMonaPGothic also works) < 1306293253 476544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, the transcription is retarded; in Japanese, it's IPA モナーPゴシック) < 1306293550 841025 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just the metrics right < 1306293573 420965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipamonapgothic is the free one right < 1306293580 800243 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed to match the metrics < 1306293634 965850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1306293661 329813 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole effort wouldn't be even slightly necessary if they used a monospace font. < 1306293672 568743 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLANDER < 1306293680 512783 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *no*, they had to use a freaking proportional font. < 1306293682 355401 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you find my old php code from oh-six pikhq i tried to today but i couldnt < 1306293687 744982 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to laugh at it < 1306293704 752807 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When monospace actually is a decent approximation for Japanese text. < 1306293734 705474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doing proper Japanese typesetting, however, is about on par with English typesetting in difficulty of getting right) < 1306293806 145785 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: rude :( < 1306293823 68519 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Sorry, but I have never even *seen* your old PHP code to my recollection. < 1306293830 683790 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1306293838 322592 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should still find it though < 1306293851 594773 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not about to spelunk for something I would only wince at. < 1306293862 216425 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU INSULTING < 1306293862 686071 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY < 1306293863 387953 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD < 1306293863 760060 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE < 1306293866 677729 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good decision < 1306293874 211305 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to stare at it ;_; < 1306293880 582004 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i found every php file on my old drive < 1306293881 517476 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, "PHP code" is what makes it worthy of insulting. < 1306293886 94623 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and none of them < 1306293887 159195 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONE OF THEM < 1306293889 197540 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the ones im looking for < 1306293891 906827 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im sad :( < 1306293898 165318 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i deleted them but i don't know why i'd do something so horrible < 1306293901 322031 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh no it was especially bad php code < 1306293909 768358 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not really understand sql or anything iehter < 1306293917 304949 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it was average PHP code. < 1306293932 893137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1306293933 928118 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe me < 1306293934 476015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse < 1306293939 393480 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was ten and a huge idiot < 1306293948 54017 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had started coding two years earlier, also in php < 1306293955 379651 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my very first php script used an Access database < 1306293956 477692 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not joking < 1306293964 363455 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy *fuck* you were young when you got in here. Just saying. :P < 1306293979 506548 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like twelve when i started coming here? < 1306293986 510659 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe eleven for a short while. but i didn't really talk much then ;D < 1306293989 400472 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1306293995 920933 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd got over php, is the point < 1306294000 320819 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my debilitating illness had ended < 1306294002 132512 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Not that I should criticise too much. < 1306294011 533879 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been IRC'ing since like 9 or 10. < 1306294026 765517 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh me too i just didn't come here until i was a bit less of an idiot < 1306294031 904680 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank go < 1306294032 413354 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1306294035 10467 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a bit) < 1306294066 58490 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I would've been, what, 16? < 1306294086 141764 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think you were like AT LEAST twenty one in two thousand and seven < 1306294087 31713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true facts < 1306294104 720206 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had people assuming that for over a decade now. < 1306294121 14982 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone assumed i was like twenty in two thousand and six because i knew a lot about coding < 1306294121 744208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time < 1306294124 832701 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took it as a compliment < 1306294125 184262 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1306294128 94273 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise that person was an idiot < 1306294137 972282 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For quite a bit less time, I've given that impression IRL. < 1306294151 194573 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4, 5 years?) < 1306294153 660418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still look twelve :) < 1306294169 290317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my darkest fear is that i will never not look twelve. ok not really but this is just ridiculous. < 1306294172 986836 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I was contacted by a Microsoft recruiter around the age of 15 < 1306294185 129760 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Like to call back in 3 years?" < 1306294186 296698 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should have lead them on < 1306294195 386757 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but let's be honest here, microsoft recruiters contact everybody < 1306294213 323028 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they contacted esr without even reading a single word he wrote, or they'd realise he's a raging shithead and not bother < 1306294226 27697 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They contacted *esr*? < 1306294227 240513 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1306294234 702699 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1306294236 78675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you had bothered to do five seconds of background checking, you < 1306294236 210638 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have discovered that I am the guy who responded to Craig < 1306294236 292338 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mundie's "Who are you?" with "I'm your worst nightmare", and that I've < 1306294236 292533 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact been something pretty close to your company's worst nightmare < 1306294236 292634 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since about 1997." < 1306294241 177041 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- esr, neopagan and self-proclaimed sex god < 1306294255 845474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* esr. < 1306294258 552683 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like they found the ego button in his soul and pressed it until he exploded < 1306294262 906928 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=208 < 1306294264 965265 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if I was at all interested, maybe < 1306294277 411522 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a job at ms would probably be nice, if you could sleep at night < 1306294289 135760 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd depend on what I was doing at MS, quite honestly. < 1306294304 217799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a job working on windows might actually be interesting < 1306294312 237761 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /fun/ necessarily but... interesting < 1306294324 472998 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably just sit there all day and read the code for fun... < 1306294334 230388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncontrollably < 1306294337 750665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Even *there*, it'd depend. < 1306294337 934014 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1306294343 619715 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably have huge trouble resisting the urge to copy it all to a usb stick < 1306294348 571604 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upload it < 1306294349 332498 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on the kernel could legitimately be interesting, TBH. < 1306294349 561733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge trouble < 1306294367 683976 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: man can you imagine their development cycle though < 1306294373 50716 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how long it takes to recompile windows after a change < 1306294375 702532 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on APIs would make me want to stab a bunch of developers. < 1306294381 549090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :booting a version of windows you modified would feel really weird < 1306294386 808728 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't feel like the kind of os you could do that to < 1306294394 788144 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the most part *not* developers in Microsoft, actually. < 1306294407 206377 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if theres one thing the Old New Thing teaches me its that theres no way the kernel team doesnt have to deal with that too < 1306294409 824840 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps apostrophes are for losers < 1306294433 84214 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the downside is < 1306294436 223756 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to use windows < 1306294440 70980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd be contributing to windows < 1306294461 928192 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, from what I know of it, the kernel for Windows is *actually well-designed*. < 1306294476 425371 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you mean nt or win subsystem < 1306294485 871088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean NT. The *actual kernel*. < 1306294493 699472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the windows subsystem is a kernel too, to be honest < 1306294499 790637 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just at a higher level < 1306294527 852522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah, it is technically part of the kernel. < 1306294543 732265 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's more like an overcomplicated system call compatibility layer. < 1306294553 604383 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what a kernel is < 1306294571 391098 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, I mean "like FreeBSD's Linux support" < 1306294580 662223 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's what a kernel is < 1306294585 34694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd's is small because they're quite close < 1306294607 680468 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mapping between a foreign system call layer and a native one? < 1306294612 571037 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a very strange notion of kernel. < 1306294630 484740 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, except sometimes the native one involves some memory-mapped jiggery rather than an int/sysenter/etc. call < 1306296026 670842 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306297975 361652 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, raymond chen actually uses ie < 1306297997 32475 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less surprising than it would have been a few years ago. < 1306298011 704534 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but still < 1306298021 548572 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE at least seems to be a decent, tolerable browser now. < 1306298031 760796 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but does anyone actually switch /to/ IE? < 1306298038 368925 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm worrying that he's never not used IE in his life now ;_; < 1306298047 420486 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in over a decade. < 1306298089 930616 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe "ive stopped using the netscapes it doesnt work with msn so im using the ies now" < 1306298094 517064 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, Netscape used to suck. < 1306298097 838452 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i roleplaying the 90s properly < 1306298130 626168 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really, Netscape was *worse* than IE for a while. < 1306298140 417906 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1306298200 324764 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2011/05/18/10165605.aspx#10165884 < 1306298200 888671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[In practice, the only time anybody set a nonstandard timeout was to set an extra annoying timeout. -Raymond] < 1306298201 743354 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306298208 208526 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows starts ignoring parameters because they're only used to annoy people < 1306298234 981437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We changed our API behavior because, y'know what, *you guys suck*." < 1306298268 755818 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time on the old new thing "in windows 8 requests to create a borderless window result in your application being surrounded by not one but TWO normal window decorations and an angry letter being mailed to your parents" < 1306298284 444990 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and if it can PROVE that you're about to draw your own border, it kills the programmer immediately" < 1306298293 504493 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only. < 1306298306 148869 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, some programs *in Windows* do that. < 1306298313 396958 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, at a minimum, WMP does.) < 1306298332 840832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but as we've established everyone at ms hates everyone in a different team < 1306298341 584902 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gui/office rivalry is potent < 1306298368 891014 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hatred is often justified. < 1306298389 839615 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet like half the kernel is working around bugs in lotus and office < 1306298439 546332 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good 7/8ths of the Windows team is probably working around application bugs. < 1306298451 515727 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they seem to absolutely fellate backwards compatibility. < 1306298491 638370 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good for business < 1306298500 78669 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine the complaints theyd get if they broke old apps < 1306298503 873580 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To an extent. < 1306298546 619786 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so changing topic entirely, after reading that terrible new coding horror post im actually surprised that chrome doesnt update without restarting < 1306298557 201859 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that patching a running binary is not yet a solved problem < 1306298565 249318 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting because it should be! < 1306298608 245961 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Patching" a running binary is a solved problem. You "merely" serialise your state and restart! :P < 1306298622 380375 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but chrome updates every second < 1306298626 184675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would get annoying < 1306298645 717866 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it updates silently i am honestly surprised that it does not start running the new version instantly < 1306298673 124518 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm wondering if it's actually possible to do in-place updating with an updated() function that is called after the ptach < 1306298674 102109 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch < 1306298681 769694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be since Chrome uses that fancy update format that uses symbolic addresses < 1306298689 314247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not like code is just going to jump around the place and be impossible < 1306298715 997211 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's not done because it would require the browser to pause < 1306298729 107354 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: would it? I don't see what would take so long < 1306298742 679119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could always wait until the user does nothing for a few seconds :-) < 1306298743 563870 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 1 second would annoy people with how frequently it updates < 1306298746 59830 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1306298761 806572 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are harder problems than that :P < 1306298770 595877 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I don't know how thorough their symbolic thing is < 1306298780 685881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you apply the patch to the running memory image without addresses invalidating? < 1306298808 745560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, then I think it could be as simple as doing that, then passing control over to an oops_you_just_updated() function, which I guess would have to handle the task of migrating data structures and updating the UI... < 1306298816 47774 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still quite manual i guess but it would be cool < 1306298891 58308 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every pointer pointing into code would need to be updated? < 1306298906 210811 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i don't think so, that's why they invented their new patch format isn't it? < 1306298912 732039 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well hm < 1306298913 697768 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the code still changes size < 1306298917 847395 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it fixes up the pointers itself < 1306298919 614576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean < 1306298921 935723 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :their patching function is just a really compressed diff < 1306298923 732063 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they already do that patching already < 1306298927 200143 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses knowledge of the original function pointers < 1306298932 909884 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they already do that patching already, to the binary < 1306298938 734442 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can do it to the in-memory image too < 1306298949 296536 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could copy the memory image aside and do it to that so it could be swapped quicker < 1306298957 329954 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but what if a function suddenly changes its internal state? < 1306298961 695123 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is removed while it's being run? < 1306298972 294410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: well it'd have to restore the browser to the start of the event loop or whatever < 1306298979 983585 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1306298980 313224 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if any functions are busy running it'd have to postpone it until it's at a predictable state < 1306298989 126547 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my worry is that e.g. they insert a field in the middle of a class < 1306298992 624232 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all instances of that class need migrating < 1306298996 144892 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like sql migration but worse :) < 1306299005 32496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT WOULD BE SO COOL. < 1306299008 730947 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool! < 1306299012 178244 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds like black magic stuff < 1306299030 268095 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that it's easy if you work at a higher level than machine code. < 1306299132 342267 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's write a browser in LUA < 1306299136 482148 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then on the fly updating is -really- easy! < 1306299139 408293 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called Lua < 1306299144 245525 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(says the guy not capitalising) < 1306299147 158312 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower case? < 1306299150 508868 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306299152 30878 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from the L < 1306299152 997121 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1306299153 912850 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the L is uppercase :P < 1306299173 572386 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see how lua would make it any easier than any interpreted language < 1306299177 350802 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1306299178 965593 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier < 1306299180 502064 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not trivial < 1306299194 810372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you'll still have a bunch of values floating around without newly-added fields < 1306299207 860346 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your whole application sort of has to deal with things randomly being uninitialised for seeminlgy no reason < 1306299212 495207 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a rather awkward way to code < 1306299221 416515 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess for anything carrying state it would still be tough < 1306299232 67936 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that's functional you can plug and play but you can already pretty much do that < 1306299238 364468 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking that with anything that has a semantic description of object types e.g. CLOS < 1306299253 258466 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not things like python or ruby since they have no actual specification mechanism for types, its all in the initialisers) < 1306299258 156684 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have it actually migrate every object on-the-fly < 1306299268 947204 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call added hooks in the program to assign default values < 1306299272 497847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1306299280 399086 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sort of need a diff of the data structures themselves < 1306299490 766832 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: i half-suspect that chrome startup is short enough that they could just load the new binary into memory, save the current rendering state and position of all tabs and windows, and just quickly run the new one and kill the old one without anyone noticing < 1306299499 734999 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you'd have to keep the old windows drawn while it starts but < 1306299506 315144 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess plugins make that harder though < 1306299519 853194 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about flash plugin state? < 1306299538 76740 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a browser preserve where my youtube video playthrough is up to across killing tabs, rebooting, etc < 1306299543 468855 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's possible surely it'd have been done by now < 1306299564 540664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thats why i said plugins < 1306299576 587470 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that it sounds doable because i mean chrome usually re-renders everything when it starts < 1306299585 491881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can reduce the migration problem to translating the rendering structures to the new format if it's changed < 1306299589 355665 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it sounds a lot more tenable < 1306300661 150440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306301934 520883 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306301977 454478 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306302082 700397 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306302108 625682 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306302732 194860 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306304010 100873 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-226.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306306006 464950 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-226.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306306091 570015 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to type words into wordpad when you're recording your screen for youtube anymore. We have annotations now < 1306306234 487363 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better still. We have audio. < 1306306277 111144 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things text conveys better but yeah < 1306306693 173913 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple DSL subscriber lines are multiplexed into a single, high-capacity link using a DSL access multiplexer (DSLAM) at the provider location. < 1306306696 639921 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to start a religion called DSLAM < 1306306700 988697 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's a wrestling move < 1306306705 296837 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is it sounds awesome < 1306306859 602451 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, DSL. The networking technology that only sees use because possible competitors don't feel like taking competition seriously. < 1306306878 364001 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat: the possible capacity of a DOCSIS network is 6 *gigabits* per second. < 1306307004 191906 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the whole thing? < 1306307013 3207 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 6.77504 gigabits per second. < 1306307049 930166 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is presuming that all 158 channels on the North American cable TV frequency plan are allocated to DOCSIS. < 1306307112 362488 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1306307121 474351 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they decided to use better modulation, they could get just shy of *tripling* that. < 1306307169 78739 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 6.77504 gigabits per second is the bandwidth they could start offering right this instant if they felt like it. < 1306307204 994688 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo not-last-mile bandwidth availability, of course) < 1306307242 7260 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306307332 840114 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306307424 573445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, the theoretic maximum of VDSL2 is 0.250 gigabits per second. < 1306307463 384716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's if you hook up right at the centrol office. < 1306307466 297482 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Central, even. < 1306308105 627505 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1306308898 131172 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1306309037 595044 :cheater897!~cheater11@ip-80-226-235-232.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306309262 973423 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VDSL2 in Finland is mostly used in the scenario where there's fiber to the basement telephone switchboxery and vsdl2 from there to apartments, to avoid rewiring. < 1306309284 779385 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you do get the relatively reasonable rates. < 1306309448 799030 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cable networks are I guess DOCSIS3-compatible, but they only sell up to 200M/10M speeds to consumers. < 1306310134 767170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1306310402 556179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306310825 731785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, who owns the esolangs.org domain? < 1306310825 836137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1306310849 530279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's registered to one Alan Dipert, which I know is not graue's name. < 1306310948 793095 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-44-127.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1306315096 787761 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306316172 685505 :Aune!~arne@piggelin.lysator.liu.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1306316561 306297 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306316691 903776 :Tritonio!~TrT@Phedra.cti.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306316769 713953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306317488 500277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306317563 189380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306317658 742313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Homestuck update < 1306317781 406491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1306318045 65801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306318058 206667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Homestuck update < 1306318176 820541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306318201 820927 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-44-127.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you should be telling me too :p < 1306318923 917327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306318949 735820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306320200 732210 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306320307 961474 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1306320332 381908 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: 1... 2... 3... HUGS! :D < 1306322388 532734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1306322673 668974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other news my chemistry exam has hit a new low in objective wrongness. < 1306322759 829897 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1306322796 711594 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306322811 24953 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1306322843 395276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It asked the kind of bonding present in a substance that melted at over 3000°C and oxidised to a gas at room temperature. < 1306322856 188075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put metallic, since there is a metal which fits that exact description. < 1306322909 952969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct answer was apparently some kind of covalent bonding, and since it was a multiple choice there was only one correct option. < 1306323021 893976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it bothers me too much, since I got 92% anyway, but it irks me. < 1306324070 574906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306324664 761245 :Tritonio!~TrT@Phedra.cti.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306325801 37710 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306326168 926135 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306326803 989451 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there any good and small test case for debugging unlambda interpreter? < 1306327244 633383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of < 1306327679 875149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, 99 bottles of beer? < 1306327688 141122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that won't really test c. < 1306327928 644542 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, i ended up with comparing the trace of computation to other (working) one < 1306328049 84905 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it seems that i finally get it correct... < 1306328100 690712 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, i found the bug: ?x didn't really check if the current character is x... < 1306328232 10752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do instead? < 1306328286 401378 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: `?xX actually returned `Xi, no matter what the current character is, except on the EOF < 1306328311 546962 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, turns out that i'm not quite fluent in ocaml. < 1306328341 974791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you please not put copyright violations on the wiki? < 1306328376 345296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that image isn't even freely licensed, let alone public domain < 1306328408 85442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes OK it was not a terribly good idea in hindsight but dammit. < 1306328455 123199 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/25g7Z.jpg < 1306328472 640211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think it was a questionable idea in the first place, but the copyvio is more relevant < 1306328510 160318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I do not get it. < 1306328517 987123 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/24/paul-gosar-millionaire/ < 1306329006 967834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1306329524 564766 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1306330644 896837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Firefox have a "search in all tabs in this window" feature? < 1306330681 665025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1306330690 81582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be useful right now, for me < 1306332652 965650 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-44-127.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306333097 802319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah. Why did I suddenly decide to read the back of the milk packaging. Arla (the largest dairy in Sweden) always put some text about various things on the back, changing it every week or so. This time they went for something so overloaded with puns it was quite painful to read. < 1306333129 721481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it wouldn't translate at all to English. < 1306333350 943461 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-13-57.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1306334071 834707 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arla's ad slogan in Finland several years ago (1999) used to be "Kohta meissä kaikissa asuu pieni lehmä"; in English, "soon in every one of us there will live a small cow". < 1306334137 59208 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was selected as the slogan of the year by some agency that bothers to select a slogan of the year. < 1306334432 581824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could translate it both ways round; we still wouldn't get the joke but we could see how awkward it sounded < 1306334499 680222 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306334669 200504 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1306335878 181167 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306335981 760902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well okay < 1306336057 508671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well "cow" in Swedish is "ko". "organic food" is "ekologisk mat". Now they invented a story about a professor "E.Ko" for teaching children about what organic food means. And from that point on the pun storm went on. < 1306336092 368643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1306336110 20690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pun almost translates into English as "ecowlogical", although it wouldn't quite have the same meaning < 1306336122 463039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there was some very bad pun about this invented "professor" having won the "Kobel price" and so on too < 1306336141 869911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1306336185 145487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and en:buddy = sv:kompis. I forgot what pun they made on that, but they managed one. < 1306336216 798147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well google says that is how it translates. it suggests "chum" as an alternative. Possibly closer < 1306336252 250507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :informal word for "friend"? < 1306336255 826267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1306336613 863436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and sv:naturligvis ~ en:"of course". But svn:"naturligt vis" ~ en:"natural way". They used that one too. Except they mangled it so it made less sense, in that context the form "naturligtvist" would have been used, so they ended up with "naturligt vist" which could possibly mean something like "naturally wise", except that makes less sense since the form "vist" would never be used about a noun < 1306336614 97461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : for a person. (Words about persons are invariably reale, not neuturm, no clue what those classes are called in English, something related to grammatical "gender" I think (except it isn't like male/female at all in modern Swedish) < 1306336625 417591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in effect it ended up utterly awkward < 1306336636 863234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1306336727 440734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, could be utrum. Hm Swedish wikipedia isn't terribly clear on which our grammatical genders are... < 1306336790 773101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh, I can't actually see what the difference between reale and utrum is based on the examples on wikipedia... They seem the same? < 1306336981 400232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :English wikipedia says "Swedish nouns and adjectives are declined in genders as well as number. Nouns belong to one of two genders—common for the en form or neuter for the ett form[31]—which also determine the declension of adjectives.". < 1306336982 345032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306337046 582208 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-228-76.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1306337054 2840 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-228-76.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Changing host < 1306337054 84488 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1306337582 728402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306337610 310401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306337668 828484 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306338206 167962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, mplayer on ubuntu fails to play this movie. I'm sure mplayer on arch managed < 1306338208 1955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now < 1306338325 689229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stare at the wall until you go mad < 1306338326 130378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any suggestion? < 1306338341 655466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1306338342 781978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, due to Arla? < 1306338347 324742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, as mentioned above < 1306338376 437828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, btw, it was on the ecological whole milk I saw this. Not sure if it is the same across the entire product range < 1306338576 554166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn, it seems I need to possibly recompile ffmpeg with support for it < 1306338578 66069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaybe < 1306338646 904412 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have no idea what you're talking about, maybe you're already done staring and have gone mad < 1306338665 133768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, which discussion < 1306338675 248645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the Arla one or the codec one < 1306338677 227895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which discussion indeed < 1306338915 137522 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306339514 14120 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306339682 555204 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306340451 44253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn codecs. < 1306340570 796729 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net NICK :lameNOT < 1306340606 90782 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1306340774 721755 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306340774 870965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306340957 418815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306341227 547830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306341274 877905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → outside < 1306341318 850721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306341579 858378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1306341585 542940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306342153 87731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306342755 427277 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306342786 314487 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306342786 396156 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306342786 396294 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306343955 969836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfq < 1306343959 386446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfdsa < 1306343998 442420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol at ph's upload/edit + your revert < 1306344018 741053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was a copyvio! < 1306344029 416074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm SURE that's why you removed it >:D < 1306344180 574860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION weighs up xmms2 vs. mpd < 1306344219 812212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was also both silly and offtopic < 1306344226 327035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as described incorrectly < 1306344230 810716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a copyvio is an even better reason to delete < 1306344240 817740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the image from the guardian article, right? < 1306344253 798452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1306344255 371431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's just a guess based on context, I didn't see it) < 1306344269 898228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know, you have no proof that PH isn't the photographer of that < 1306344273 415926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST SAYIN' < 1306344273 727270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it accomplished much besides making the photographer look stupid, but it's their fault < 1306344277 998451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PH is a woman? < 1306344289 921223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not out of the question. < 1306344292 223948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the Guardian would own the copyright, or the photo agency, not the photographer < 1306344300 828335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well he could be the boss of the photo agency. < 1306344303 778105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... < 1306344305 885659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All-powerful boss. < 1306344313 608974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he IS the photography agency ITSELF. < 1306344329 534326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM JUST SAYING THAT YOU ARE BEING TOO HASTY < 1306344338 692467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: these theories aren't convincing me < 1306344346 129096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even suspected copyvios should be deleted until there's proof they aren't < 1306344353 161713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they said about Columbus, too < 1306344389 235158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, XMMS2 clients seem rather bitrotten < 1306344641 344401 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1306345415 405004 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe post a link to the file on here in case. < 1306345461 630447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1306345739 429894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1306345862 559403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a bug in GNU dc, when there is unimplemented command the error message is sent to stdout instead of stderr, it seems? < 1306346346 893679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306346552 359273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306347439 293770 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/esotope/ trying to revive a project. < 1306347613 549106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306347660 257765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306347718 222694 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306348389 856698 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1306348467 90432 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306348556 362327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nice to see you use present tense when speaking about 16-bit applications. I spend 30-50% of my time maintaining an old C++ 16-bit application, so I still live with all the joys of 64K limits :-)" < 1306348561 838993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people wrote sixteen-bit C++ programs? < 1306348578 913172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306348589 5370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they even fit in to RAM :P < 1306348599 979298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Badly. < 1306348604 915030 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -nostdlib. < 1306348610 476291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: back then, C++ didn't look like modern C++ at all < 1306348611 898413 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was first called "C++" in *1983*. < 1306348627 327804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more like C with a vague attempt to do object-orientation badly < 1306348633 532439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: well iostreams and the like hardly applied to windows anyway < 1306348635 967085 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ had rather a large amount of changes up to its ISO-isation. < 1306348638 884067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess so, it's still just surprising < 1306348646 973754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the string class (not std::string back then) and iostreams were about the most OO it got in the standard libraries < 1306348652 487324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that people wrote assembly by hand and weren't considered insanely hardcore, at the same time < 1306348656 371764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old-fashioned C++ is nothing like modern C++ < 1306348682 616333 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The STL itself only really came about in the 90s. < 1306348707 957581 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Templates were, like, 1990. < 1306348718 728019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a conference at work a while ago there was a talk by one of the oldies about how memory management used to work in our C++ code back in the 16-bit days < 1306348755 30377 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was *recognisable* but distinctly different starting with, oh, the mid-80s. < 1306348798 202943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're first going to get something that would compile in, say, g++ starting in 1998. < 1306348822 549579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weird :) < 1306348823 357726 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presuming STL use) < 1306348829 859533 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the names of the header files changed in the ISO committee) < 1306348843 562406 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iostream.h to iostream, right? < 1306348853 855225 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they removed .h from all the headers. < 1306348881 754646 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can push it back a bit further, perhaps to 1989, if you're talking about code that only used ISO C headers. If you're lucky. < 1306348904 172232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop myself from liking DOS :( < 1306348904 838172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before then, all bets are off. This was the nasty land of *K&R C*.) < 1306348913 629308 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't feel bad. < 1306348923 637514 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DOS was not a bad design for the time. < 1306348924 809879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it's so _bad_. < 1306348933 634286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers have just gotten *so much better*, and DOS has not. < 1306348947 441944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder what the first DOS that was compatible with anything was < 1306348953 91652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First version had no directories so that is pretty much out < 1306348954 623461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe DOS two? < 1306348959 90301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it only supported ten meg disks < 1306348967 7504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Compatibile with anything"? < 1306348975 100866 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define that, man. < 1306348988 902461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Compatible with a wide range of applications and games made for DOS" < 1306348996 661825 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaah*. DOS 3. < 1306348997 345534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., the popular thirty-two bit extenders should work < 1306349019 216417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all Wikipedia lists 3.0 as adding is larger disk support, but I guess their changelog might not be very complete :-) < 1306349029 388364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_x86_DOS_operating_systems is better < 1306349043 991890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft releases MS-DOS 2.0, which introduces a Unix/Xenix-like hierarchical file system, installable device drivers (e.g. ANSI.SYS) in the system configuration file CONFIG.SYS, and adds internal commands BREAK, CHDIR or CD, CLS, CTTY, EXIT, FC, MKDIR or MD, PATH, PROMPT, RMDIR or RD, SET (environments), VER, VERIFY and VOL. New external commands are DISKCOPY (not identical to IBM's version), PRINT (spooling); three filters supported with stand < 1306349044 176897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ard devices and redirection: FIND, SORT and MORE; BACKUP, RESTORE and RECOVER. New batch file commands are ECHO, FOR, GOTO, IF and SHIFT. CONFIG.SYS commands are BREAK, BUFFERS, DEVICE, FILES and SHELL. New file attribute bits are read-only, volume label, subdirectory and archive. A team of six developers produced version 2.0, led by Paul Allen, Mark Zbikowski and Aaron Reynolds.[1] < 1306349051 240217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you sure it's not 2.0? that's a lot of modernisation there < 1306349069 615319 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS 3.0 did some minor API tweaks for the larger disk support. < 1306349077 597950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306349093 837936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just need to find dos 3 floppies >:) < 1306349097 526075 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure they didn't actually change the API past that. < 1306349107 925897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://torrentz.eu/search?f=DOS+3 ;; lame < 1306349108 34728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add more features to what was already there. < 1306349116 178303 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 32 Mb partition limit was there for quite long, if I recall correctly. < 1306349125 36271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: better than ten megs < 1306349130 182795 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went away in 3.something. < 1306349142 610912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oldfiles.org.uk/ oh man this design. < 1306349154 534527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Version 3.0 (OEM) - Support for larger Hard Disk Drives < 1306349154 935605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 3.31 (OEM) - Compaq 3.31 supports FAT16 and larger drives. < 1306349156 405412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1306349157 732078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1306349159 659172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says Wikipedia. < 1306349162 943111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suspect the first three version was it < 1306349169 978301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, 5 introduced EDIT < 1306349173 248270 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe so, then. < 1306349198 481605 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do recall splitting a huge 40 MB disk into 32/8 and putting Populous' DOS port on the D: part. < 1306349211 540002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of that :P < 1306349224 522357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, to get around the limit. < 1306349243 740235 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. It's the only thing I remember using D: for, but I'm sure there was something else too. < 1306349261 115696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Populous is rather newer than these versions, though. But I guess Scandinavia was ~slow~. < 1306349399 551270 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_x86_DOS_operating_systems "Technical specifications" / "Max Hard Drive partition size" says the 32M limit was there for the whole 3.x series, and only 4.0 bumped it up to 2G. < 1306349413 258636 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what to trust; my own very fallible memory would've put the change around 3.33. < 1306349416 928010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit, in two thousand and sixteen Microsoft will be forty years old. < 1306349444 659257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still dealing with the legacy of their choice to support a CP/M clone. < 1306349547 197802 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Initial_FAT16 speaks of the partition size limit too. < 1306349564 77384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to be unable to find dos three floppies. < 1306349565 395863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woe, it is I. < 1306349592 861685 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 3.2 box somewhere, but no operational floppy drive at the moment, I don't think. < 1306349604 384808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1306349622 419929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm 1300 km from the box anyway.) < 1306349623 406873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not that you'd ever do something so illegal, after all; haven't you read that open letter by Bill Gates? < 1306349627 26797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll kill Microsoft. < 1306349665 74486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose DOS 3's still selling quite well. < 1306349718 264512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can still actually buy it. < 1306349788 84305 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :From eBay, at least. :p < 1306349800 958248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooo, I want to give back to the Big G. < 1306349812 835153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eBay is as bad as piracy. < 1306349836 925198 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit I have money < 1306349851 178198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: buy dos < 1306349868 954602 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also why is your TV so much better than the Americans'? < 1306349894 109726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you mean the "terrestrial" channels rather than the full range on freeview or Sky, because the latter ios 90 percent absolute pap. < 1306349903 307984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the answer is communism. < 1306349911 585340 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's interesting things from the conference: there was one rather nice-looking texture reconstruction (in the photoshop "context-aware fill" style) poster that at least had pretty pictures. (One assumes they've selected the best-working examples, of course.) < 1306349916 50904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also FreeDOS, which can be modified to do the things you want it to do instead. < 1306349948 928950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC? Government. ITV and Channel 4? Public service. Channel 5? Erm, shitty. < 1306349970 631605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's quite a popular kind of thing nowadays isn't it. < 1306350004 683375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Reddit gave this amusing example recently: < 1306350006 383145 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess it is. < 1306350015 329085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Source image) Badly-stitched thing: http://i.imgur.com/RBELd.jpg < 1306350019 733166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photoshop content-aware filled: http://i.imgur.com/ZBSkK.jpg < 1306350025 52909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the CLEAR WINNER, < 1306350035 473010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIMP filled with resynthesizer: http://i.imgur.com/biWF6.jpg < 1306350126 686636 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there was a thing that can distinguish singly- and doubly-encoded JPEGs, for the use case where you detect forgeries by assuming they've been double-compressed. (I don't think they really took into account the various other ways -- like stupid(tm) rotation -- images can get double-compiled, I mean compressed.) < 1306350154 431477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306350184 735985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Was there anybody doing a demonstration of why speech recognition is useless and pointless and nobody will ever want it ever and it's basically just this big ol' joke? < 1306350209 245777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOUGHT SO < 1306350222 327395 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the day's plenary talk was sort-of. < 1306350232 675455 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe not in those exact works. < 1306350235 632389 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words. < 1306350243 834778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's making typos I think I upset him < 1306350261 418369 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame the laptop keyboard. (A convenient excuse.) < 1306350270 568799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also my uncontrollable sobbing." < 1306350286 653526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq do you have an ms dos floppy. < 1306350294 386607 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. Inconspicious topic-shift! The Resynthesizer(tm) is indeed one of my favourite things. < 1306350315 39831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely go and visit http://i.imgur.com/biWF6.jpg, that's for sure. < 1306350333 973380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it sort of invented a volcano in the stitch. < 1306350335 482052 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some program that can convert JPEG to format that you can convert back without changing the lossy part of the compression? But that the new file can then be rotated and manipulated in ways before it is put back? < 1306350382 58309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0 1984 Support for high-density (1.2 MB) floppy disks and 32 MB hard disks was added. < 1306350386 190346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.3 1987 This release was written to take advantage of IBM's PS/2 computer range. It added support for high density 3.5" floppy disks, more than one partition on hard disks (allowing use of disks bigger than 32 MB) and code pages. < 1306350409 964935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So 3.3 just let you circumvent the /drive/ limit by letting you partition it. < 1306350417 65584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then < 1306350417 371811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0 1988 This version provided XMS support, support for partitions on hard disks up to 2 GB and a graphical shell. It also contained a large number of bugs and many programs refused to run on it. < 1306350422 491838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably that added bigger-partition support too. < 1306350591 652599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :File name: Microsoft DOS 3.31 (3½).rar < 1306350591 801765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :File description: Microsoft MS-DOS 3.31 By LsFer010 < 1306350591 883134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :File size: 333.23 KB < 1306350595 709282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey cool, Google pays off. < 1306350607 576195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only one disk; huh. < 1306350635 342930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 1.5M 1996-12-24 23:32 Disk1.img < 1306350644 334212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was two thousand and ninety-six in the archive. :p < 1306350735 976599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pikhq: Wow, it displays the current year correctly. < 1306350738 76460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAWD COWE. < 1306350781 158853 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was two 5.25" floppies, but could be the other one was something non-essential. < 1306350802 523046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was three-incher. < 1306350805 452135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :File name: Microsoft DOS 3.2 (5¼).rar < 1306350807 535273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't mind if I do. < 1306350817 550563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.3 1987 This release was written to take advantage of IBM's PS/2 computer range. It added support for high density 3.5" floppy disks, more than one partition on hard disks (allowing use of disks bigger than 32 MB) and code pages. < 1306350819 242542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO NEEDS THOSE THINGS. < 1306350843 467657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey how did you actually install DOS anyway I do not even know. < 1306350848 449546 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306350854 429273 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.132 QUIT :Changing host < 1306350854 510618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306350891 776444 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There are at least tools that rotate (and mirror and crop; with some restrictions) JPEG images without decompressing; I don't think there's any standard easily-manipulatable format though. < 1306351033 193904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even install DOS. < 1306351036 129995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even know this thing. < 1306351082 152363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306351146 665463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just copy all the files to C:\DOS. < 1306351150 286987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you do fizzie. < 1306351178 862516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The versions I recall more clearly used to have a SETUP.EXE. < 1306351193 521794 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need to at least SYS the drive to get the boot thingies in place. < 1306351206 842635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes there is a setup. < 1306351211 357252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to sys the drive before I setup. < 1306351224 958067 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the setup will take care of it. < 1306351237 385082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"setup" just seems to... hang. < 1306351241 163917 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to FDISK the drive before, though. < 1306351242 14056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is working very hard. < 1306351252 236166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fdisk is a thing I can do. < 1306351438 407530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seems like the setup tool doesn't like me so I'll just do it manually. < 1306351446 866342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIG.SYS and COMMAND.COM have to be in the root directory, right? What else? < 1306351528 572191 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much that I recall; you do need to either SYS it or FORMAT /S (if I recall the flag right) to make it put a boot sector. And I can't quite recall what made it put the usual code into MBR. < 1306351548 778399 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYS will copy command.com too, I think. < 1306351550 262968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have a boot sector, it just complains about a lack of command interpreter now. < 1306351561 545009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SYS C:" doesn't seem to copy t. < 1306351561 861063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it. < 1306351572 8031 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdish. < 1306351584 48260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\DOS is the usual place for all the other files though, right? < 1306351636 526459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try with FORMAT /S and then copying the necessary things in \DOS. < 1306351659 403824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geh, how do you move things. < 1306351665 660073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rename DOS\COMMAND.COM COMMAND.COM" doesn't work. < 1306351680 244885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no /S here it seems; too MODERN. < 1306351732 412438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "move" < 1306351750 613161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't have any MOVE. < 1306351763 854319 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1306351771 584512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is too new. < 1306351776 153831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe this download sucks. < 1306351902 880068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you messing with dos? < 1306351923 995916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fun. < 1306351929 371226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, freedos? < 1306351933 241638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1306351936 907298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1306351938 771131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK it boots now. < 1306351941 382848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sucks. < 1306351948 143161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in what way? < 1306351963 751765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every way < 1306351972 919612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too new? < 1306351980 803488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or is it badly coded or something? < 1306352024 355408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too new, lame protected mode, PEH < 1306352030 956894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how do you stop DOS asking for a new date/time on each boot. < 1306352048 464275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, PEH? < 1306352065 489188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1306352198 430528 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an autoexec.bat for it. < 1306352210 941879 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the date/time query only hits if you don't have one. < 1306352448 941747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306352746 377736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306352750 725821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Portal 2 < 1306352758 564266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It closed out on me after being minimized < 1306352760 167039 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats head against wall < 1306352764 992215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it didn't < 1306352768 744956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Occam's Razor Is Simply Wrong!" < 1306352776 486213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not on the taskbar < 1306352777 108409 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCH OUCH OUCH OUCH < 1306352787 322256 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PAIN AND AGONY IS ASTOUNDING < 1306352826 812981 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Poe's Law in full force. < 1306352853 851259 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks be to goodness. < 1306352890 643081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I keep forgetting what Poe's Law is even despite looking it up at least twice < 1306352892 902112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks it up a third time < 1306352911 322376 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very fundamental law of discourse. < 1306352918 946800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that one < 1306353325 320359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306353481 554705 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-13-57.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306353485 889499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, firefox makes sound when you type in something for search on page and it isn't found!? < 1306353511 376557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually only use sound when listening to music or playing games, I guess that is why I never noticed before... But how do you turn that off... < 1306353737 488797 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, maybe go to about:config and then find the correct setting to turn off < 1306353796 502847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1306353831 470305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound looks promising. < 1306353842 422772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1306354424 672207 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306354479 969466 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION inks out "ais523" and "zzo38" on his "#esoteric Bingo" card < 1306354496 344917 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.233.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306354519 473836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wha? < 1306354553 733663 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and "Phantom_Hoover". score. only five more squares until blackout < 1306354565 231660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: people who are in the channel simultaneously with you? < 1306354566 595823 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway < 1306354592 503639 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1306354618 47787 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, see, many of the nicks here, are always here, and thus not interesting to observe, when I join < 1306354650 570479 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my nick???? < 1306354665 181118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, neither ais523 nor zzo38 are always here < 1306354704 589831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what cpressey implied < 1306354730 742808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait, didn't he imply that you were always here? < 1306354736 68330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1306354743 118804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I were, me being here wouldn't be interesting < 1306354743 827798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, read it backwards < 1306354748 226982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he clearly found it interesting < 1306354751 180970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she, I suppose < 1306354757 212395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have no idea how bingo works < 1306354760 626174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1306354761 338954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many genders I don't know < 1306354778 880157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is blacking it out interesting or non-interesting < 1306354786 54148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1306354789 860226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306354796 714390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does it mean in real bingo? < 1306354802 99840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have a list of numbers on the card, and the announcer calls out random numbers < 1306354810 682879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they call out a number on your card, you get to cross it off the card < 1306354814 795151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1306354815 817911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win when there are none left < 1306354822 532690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often also get a prize if you manage to form certain patterns < 1306354827 79323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306354827 529074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an entirely luck-based game < 1306354837 748326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variants often replace the numbers with something else < 1306354855 907661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was just about to suggest that simply applying a PRNG once to decide who won would be easier. But it would not handle the pattern case. < 1306354871 29765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that would defeat most of the interest in the game, though < 1306354887 644144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is people thinking "ooh, I've almost won" and then just getting beaten < 1306354890 115432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, apart from the pattern bit, this game doesn't sound very interesting < 1306354894 99924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it a particularly interesting game myself, though < 1306354921 361633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also I think the announcer never repeats numbers, but that's just to save time < 1306354932 587827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that you don't get to choose the numbers on the card, they're random too) < 1306354939 606277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306354976 38411 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost entirely luck. there is the small factor of being able to pay attention to the announcer. < 1306354989 394734 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo is purely a social game. < 1306354997 215938 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are easily distracted, that can work against you. < 1306355038 13437 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hard of hearing. < 1306355044 61122 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is a secondary factor, the primary factor is the social aspect of many people sitting in one room, and everyone hoping to be the one who gets to shout bingo! drawing attention to themselves. < 1306355074 940115 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what they don't realize is that you can just join an IRC channel and do that. < 1306355078 470364 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306355081 14508 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BINGO! < 1306355084 375118 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that just randomly choosing who gets to stand up and shout bingo! is too stupid even for those people, so they make the pretense of an actual game < 1306355102 579739 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, exactly < 1306355151 552887 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was going to try my hand at implementing Deadfish in ooc < 1306355168 158491 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I realized that the ooc compiler is self-hosted < 1306355177 593626 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need a binary package to bootstrap it < 1306355189 804449 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was like, wait, what? < 1306355209 869602 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1306355212 101346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a cross-compiler in order to break the infinite regress < 1306355229 578185 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if one existed < 1306355239 997798 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might. i haven't come across it though < 1306355267 564108 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what I was thinking is: doesn't this go against open-source a little? how do I know what this binary contains? how do I know it was compiled from these sources? < 1306355306 464784 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't supporting all these platforms impose a drain on resources? < 1306355383 343340 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was an ooc interpreter in a popular scripting language, wouldn't that do the job for bootstrapping just as well? < 1306355386 158031 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Q: If I don't need another ooc compiler to compile this one, how does it work? What does 'make bootstrap' do? < 1306355386 240003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: 'make bootstrap' builds a rock binary from the C sources in build/c-source, calls it bin/c_rock, and uses it to recompile itself to bin/rock" < 1306355400 983190 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a crock < 1306355403 321615 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1306355418 974897 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make" does not tell you any of this -- it tells you to go fetch a bootstrap package < 1306355482 712155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the FAQ could be out of date, if it isn't just the makefile that is a lying bastard < 1306355484 229790 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, it apparently IS a crock. "make bootstrap" tells me the same thing < 1306355496 928785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably both wrong < 1306355497 351492 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the faq is out of date < 1306355530 725904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugged in, not charging < 1306355534 844639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A reboot tends to solve this < 1306355539 449257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!@#$%^&*()(*&^%$#@#$%^*(&%$@@#$^&*(O < 1306355556 574589 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the Makefile *looks* like that should work. < 1306355689 374513 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, looks like the version of rock on github does not include the necessary C sources. < 1306355727 845081 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, giving up. that was fun! < 1306355747 128125 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to boring javascript debugging fun fun < 1306355759 591914 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is the easiest language to debug by far. < 1306355761 334755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next point in the faq mentions another make target for generating the C sources (using rock) < 1306355764 801259 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than Haskell. < 1306355786 323386 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with all that dynamic typing. < 1306355861 596829 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306355871 486224 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jeez, it's CakeProphet! < 1306355880 692494 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306355882 264705 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BINGO! < 1306355887 349747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306355902 412696 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is most certainly not CakeProphet < 1306355928 995309 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1306355943 831897 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're my utter reflection, Sgeo, what do you mean? < 1306356094 185535 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the awesomeness of this build system has defeated me. < 1306356099 718497 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for today < 1306356195 463146 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it would appear rock is required to build the C sources required to build c_rock required to bootstrap rock < 1306356215 883451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point in my life I should just go ahead and write a compiler directly in the language that it will compile from, and not bother figuring out how to bootstrap it before releasing it < 1306356282 749426 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bug in this Perl IRC bot I made that I haven't been able to figure out for 2 days now. < 1306356402 520088 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Perl is almost as easy to debug as Javascript! < 1306356416 586858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that Haskell crap! < 1306356434 949570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, that expressive type system makes finding bugs nigh-impossible! < 1306357062 629222 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i was thinking earlier today < 1306357073 199431 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't perl be great for like.. interactive programming < 1306357080 614611 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have some data set that you need to process < 1306357106 804146 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in the editor, and every time you enter something it gets re-run with that data. < 1306357115 4948 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another pane you have a live display of the data set. < 1306357149 856632 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say you're doing some statistics, you could have a live display of the data analysis, like say a distribution graph. < 1306357223 120617 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is very terse, so it lends itself to this sort of thing. < 1306357449 653611 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Perl should be used for interactive statistics. While R is better suited for IRC bots: https://bitbucket.org/catseye/rtype < 1306358083 156921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1306358223 448208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "is" mean? < 1306358243 865896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in what context? < 1306358262 383719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ruin my fun by being like that < 1306358270 827358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's see < 1306358294 838749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context "my ape is a grape" < 1306358320 262888 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is actually not a grape) < 1306358362 459292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais523, what you been up to? < 1306358382 575781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get a report finished < 1306358389 512325 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me more < 1306358393 66228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also training Pokémon for the national Pokémon championships in a couple of weeks < 1306358399 427517 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :less interesting < 1306358414 534687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a particularly boring report, trying to demonstrate that I know enough about what I'm doing to be allowed to continue on a PhD < 1306358426 156825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1306358448 804065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got my funding for the phd like, umm, yesterday or something < 1306358469 131928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my funding ages ago < 1306358476 495779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean officially, it was rather obvious from the start that i'd get it < 1306358480 333442 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1306358493 547965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a year, they make people do a report to determine whether I've actually been doing something PhD-worthy or whether they should stop funding it and cut their losses < 1306358500 977261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i only finished my master's degree this year < 1306358507 541744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1306358544 710779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm sure they only cut it if you directly admit you've been doing drugs and whores the whole time. < 1306358581 398662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it's rather hard to measure the progress of an artist :o < 1306358594 627852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes to think of himself as an artist < 1306358630 8589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's ex was always like lol u no artist u just a scientist < 1306358644 984785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION on the other hand was like stfu i'm so < 1306358668 437421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm rather drunk in case that was not obvious < 1306358756 839536 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's dad on the third hand is always like he so an artist even though he's mostly a drunk < 1306358930 318318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing this survey, and it's hard because people haven't proven the things i want to mention, and i'm not supposed to prove them myself < 1306359067 812124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you not supposed to prove them yourself? < 1306359098 775207 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point of a survey < 1306359124 29189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of a survey is to present the current state of a theory < 1306359168 935103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not present the current state if there is no proof? < 1306359169 745175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is people tend to prove trivial things that sound nontrivial instead of actually trying to solve things < 1306359181 215338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1306359203 52958 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :proofs are the only things that further the theory in mathematics < 1306359216 687382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is required that it is proven, then use a pseudonym or whatever < 1306359234 562319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? prove it myself in another paper? < 1306359246 955751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you know how to prove it, that is. < 1306359300 28192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i already present some of my own results, but i mean there are these couple of things that are obviously true, but i have no idea how to prove them without doing probably a month of research < 1306359310 206534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be nice if someone had done this < 1306359343 819096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah you're right, if i had a complete existing proof < 1306359346 695847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think you might be correct. What matematical theories are these that you are dealing with? < 1306359348 216861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306359348 546661 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just publish it < 1306359355 266357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add it < 1306359369 18987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory of picture-walking automata < 1306359402 61069 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff i did in my master's thesis < 1306359408 553124 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple stuff < 1306359576 73439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so zzo38 what YOU been up to? < 1306359626 234564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been playing D&D on the weekend I was in Victoria, and then yesterday I was recording the game on my computer. < 1306359644 530596 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does recording mean < 1306359686 21734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I have plans to work on TeXnicard, too. I have a request for you: If you have any ideas or feature requests for TeXnicard, tell me I can put them near the end of the book (just before the index). < 1306359705 551410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Recording http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/ < 1306359714 11705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it means. < 1306359716 284323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what was this texnicard exactly < 1306359764 559383 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is making distressing noises < 1306359766 852222 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: TeXnicard is not related to the D&D game. For information about TeXnicard: http://repo.or.cz/w/TeXnicard.git < 1306359775 770973 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What noise, to be specific? < 1306359794 616976 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As though something's rattling around < 1306359813 965363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Then open it and look inside to see if something is rattling around. Maybe the fan? < 1306359840 508488 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so what you been up to? < 1306359889 699272 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoping that my computer isn't physically dying < 1306359892 830134 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing Portal 2 < 1306359901 646849 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being obsessed with Homestuck < 1306359909 648950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1306359909 731004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1306359915 75049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been hearing about this homestuck thing < 1306359919 802378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Do you have opinions about TeXnicard or about the D&D recording files? < 1306359928 729183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it is the best thing and you should read it. < 1306359956 626258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really. i only have opinions on math nowadays :\ < 1306359958 88598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306359972 749572 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and some other things. but not texnicard or dd < 1306359980 482651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Do you have opinions about the twin primes conjecture? < 1306359988 23493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306360010 459130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have my usual line w.r.t. conjectures: "it's obviously true" < 1306360025 321082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is that adjusted for P=NP? < 1306360029 166711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in the case of twin primes conjecture, i'm not sure that's actually my opinion since i don't know anything abou tit < 1306360030 879758 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about it < 1306360037 876154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah P!=NP is obviously true < 1306360049 688128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the whole polynomial hierarchy is obviously proper < 1306360238 93022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in the picture-walking automata case, the polynomial hierarchy has at least two propers levels! < 1306360248 25375 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :ebay < 1306360251 79842 :ebay!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306360257 911507 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this has nothing to do with the corresponding complexity theory problem < 1306360291 516039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i decided to call another thing a polynomial hierarchy, because it had a similar feel to it < 1306360398 160583 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why won't the event viewer work? :( < 1306360467 543828 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :elliotcable < 1306360542 722045 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1306360561 751951 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing that looks hardware related. Well, one thing about some communications failure < 1306360586 375791 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The embedded controller (EC) did not respond within the specified timeout period. This may indicate that there is an error in the EC hardware or firmware or that the BIOS is accessing the EC incorrectly. You should check with your computer manufacturer for an upgraded BIOS. In some situations, this error may cause the computer to function incorrectly." < 1306360589 562022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* Phantom_Hoover → sleep Phantom_Hoover: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. <-- heh < 1306360638 44379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, weeeelll that sounds like big problems < 1306360653 414347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I presume it is a laptop? < 1306360655 818497 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1306360657 941552 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-214-228.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306360698 348943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, at least on thinkpads there is an EC deeply involved in making "laptopish functions" work < 1306360713 432860 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"laptopish" functions? < 1306360729 254389 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, does that include moving the HD head elsewhere when there are vibrations? < 1306360729 534384 :elliotcable!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306360732 131150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean, like, when it is closed/open? < 1306360753 211756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, everything from setting brightness on screen and setting battery charge tresholds to enabling and disabling wlan and bluetooth < 1306360778 942189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Um, does that include moving the HD head elsewhere when there are vibrations? <-- I'm not sure how it reads the accelerometer < 1306360781 733920 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easiest thing for me to test? < 1306360796 543920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, well it could be for some stuff only *shrug* < 1306360808 694395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *think* that accelerometer reading uses the EC. < 1306360809 125417 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306360817 534497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual hd head moving does not use it < 1306360824 920613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the accelerometer reading might < 1306360830 877413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, is that a thinkpad you have there? < 1306360838 257207 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sattelite < 1306360846 741190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, ah, toshiba < 1306360854 357960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, well it could be very different for that brand < 1306360876 915818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have next to no experience with that < 1306360976 663027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I think the EC on my thinkpad handles stuff like Fn-PgUp turning on LED lighting up the keyboard < 1306360980 375465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1306361023 643972 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what is the issue you are seeing? < 1306361047 161397 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a funny sound when I tilt my laptop sometimes < 1306361051 906675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1306361065 455098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you are doing it wrong. You don't tilt laptops < 1306361068 506030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a table for them < 1306361075 416810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops that is < 1306361095 598716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I would argue using laptops in your lap is stupid :P < 1306361197 111124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1306361200 599788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1306361223 284357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi oerjan! There are some bad puns in the logs. Grep for Arla. < 1306361226 99120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →→ < 1306361287 516141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote night → oh hi oerjan! There are some bad puns in the logs. Grep for Arla. night →→ < 1306361290 547634 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​428) night → oh hi oerjan! There are some bad puns in the logs. Grep for Arla. night →→ < 1306361481 619812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306361582 667757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306361621 763362 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so how about those simplicial complexes < 1306361681 512918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1306361688 731062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was all < 1306361704 134953 :Rtype!~Rtype@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306361709 617401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i'm drunk and tired < 1306361712 123253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well simply put, they are complex < 1306361725 329306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DSDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1306361737 323406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually they don't seem to be complex in either sense of the word < 1306361771 376608 :Rtype!~Rtype@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306361800 815884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that homotopy though? :D < 1306361866 528822 :Rtype!~Rtype@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306361877 416123 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Rtype are you gonna crash on me? < 1306361878 145688 :Rtype!~Rtype@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1306361906 730393 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably take you to another channel Rtype < 1306361907 368608 :Rtype!~Rtype@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION groans  < 1306361918 584159 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test complete < 1306361919 998381 :Rtype!~Rtype@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306361926 365043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good channel for Rtype imo < 1306361959 885374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the functor from continuous functions to homology groups identifies homotopic functions, is what i recall, and this is somehow obvious from the simplicial complexes i even more vaguely recall < 1306362021 747152 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :homology group? < 1306362023 703263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306362025 281077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1306362036 627344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no yeah i don't know what that is < 1306362051 659876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what else would you use simplicial complexes for < 1306362084 780497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know them as a step on the road to getting the groups (or modules, if you have a more arbitrary ring) < 1306362087 657331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they are nice little spaces < 1306362093 546467 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that functor a continuous functor? I... am trying to wrap my head around such things existing < 1306362150 594093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what continuity would mean for functors, although someone has probably defined it < 1306362153 745805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can build pretty much any space you can think of out of simplicial complexes < 1306362168 820908 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to homeomorphism < 1306362180 929732 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, functions can be continuous on the reals; you can have spaces of functions which resemble the reals; sooooo.... < 1306362187 1774 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, assuming you have a sucky imagination < 1306362191 886953 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't mathed in a long time < 1306362198 480429 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43b9d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306362207 731437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh hm i'm a bit confused on the terminology < 1306362210 612711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a functor is not a function from functions to functions in this case < 1306362218 985462 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? damn! < 1306362244 222172 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.233.232 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306362283 527655 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.233.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306362288 193166 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh this bloody laptop and its constant leaking of memory < 1306362310 976597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my definition is simplicial complex = collection of simplexes closed under faces (plus intersections of simplexes are faces) < 1306362357 738360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon the extreme simplification, that doesn't really mean much :D < 1306362359 221569 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now oerjan's lap is covered with blood and memory < 1306362407 729444 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm just reading this book on algebraic topology, not sure what they're going to use simplicial complexes for, yet. < 1306362423 301225 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was confusing simplicial complexes with the chain complexes made from them < 1306362433 910147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those being? < 1306362495 577334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those being the next step after you construct simplicial complexes, just before you construct the homology groups < 1306362500 262894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably take a rather deep look into this algebraic topology thing, i saw this one general proof about exact sequences and it was just incredible < 1306362586 897766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't have a kind-of definition for them? < 1306362662 213592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a sequence of modules/abelian groups with a homomorphism from each to the next such that neigboring homomorphisms compose to 0 < 1306362662 568502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to giggle < 1306362690 449331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exact sequences being a subset of them, i think < 1306362697 626762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so a... well what do you call a non-exact exact sequence < 1306362731 79479 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my advisor spoke about half exact sequences, but that's a bit different again < 1306362740 194415 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an exact sequence, the image is exactly the kernel of the next < 1306362757 507260 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a chain complex the image is simply contained in the kernel < 1306362777 243345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the idea is you have a space and then you build a space on top of that and then another space on top of that and so on < 1306362825 264371 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306362831 112061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306362868 246969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i most love about math is that the technical aspect is so entertaining the authors usually don't bother to mention what they're actually doing < 1306362889 460678 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the homology groups give some exact sequences later < 1306362893 509544 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when there's a clear intuitive idea < 1306362931 495438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's possible you're supposed to come up with that on your own, it's certainly a rather small task compared to understanding the details < 1306362968 624043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm homology groups, what are the elements and what is the operation? < 1306362992 287396 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the fundamental group? < 1306363034 120432 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh there was a blog post on something like this on reddit, i'd find it but my computer is currently thrashing < 1306363054 921922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about not bothering to mention things) < 1306363082 20725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's still in my recent tab list < 1306363101 920824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? interestingly enough, no mathematician has ever bothered to mention that they tend not to bother to mention things. < 1306363143 14785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the homology groups are the quotients of consecutive terms of the chain complex you construct from the simplicial complex < 1306363146 873520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1306363162 758833 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2011/05/monday_math_a_rant_about_jargo.php < 1306363163 441193 :Tritonio_GR!TrT@93.182.186.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306363169 201654 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the house that jack built < 1306363185 570285 :Tritonio_GR!TrT@93.182.186.21 QUIT :Client Quit < 1306363200 618390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go to sleep now, i'll talk to you more after learning everything about this stuff < 1306363216 218956 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: pretty much, this is the field which _inspired_ category theory in order to be able to build things like that < 1306363283 434456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from the simplicial complexes < 1306363310 491072 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chain complex is constructed from all of them for a space < 1306363370 555036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think you can do restrictions such as differentiability (i think the famous de rham theorem may involve that) < 1306363383 169340 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.233.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306363419 492081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the _first_ homology group is the abelian part of the fundamental group, the rest are pretty unrelated < 1306363445 676520 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306363472 37678 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micah|insane < 1306363488 811200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article is not quite about what i'm talking about < 1306363502 161926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i'm rarely satisfied with the amount of formality in textbooks < 1306363503 709640 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sounded related < 1306363529 459578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but this article is about how most err the other way, possibly _as well_ < 1306363561 319507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could have too little formality _and_ too little motivation at the same time < 1306363581 87486 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave relevance to those... physicists or whatever they're called < 1306363589 858491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see i'd like immense formality, but on the other hand it would be nice if they started with MENTIONING the why < 1306363595 266172 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306363607 536913 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't assume they know the why < 1306363638 819745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, the best part of math is when you don't really know the why, you can just skip it and be correct < 1306363640 990357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1306363642 317082 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's not just about relevance, but about _internal_ motivation as well < 1306363643 767285 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306363644 834078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :best part of writing math < 1306363663 850010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is suppose is the same as relevance to other mathematics < 1306363671 445452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or intersecting it < 1306363671 527419 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1306363785 517801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i don't know what it is in general that i feel is missing from math texts. < 1306363819 399914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually there's some simple idea that i get after reading the material a few times, and i just feel like it should've been the first sentence of the book < 1306363855 645184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of definition 1.1.1 N is the set of nonnegative integers < 1306363887 692651 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm lucky, i get that idea, too < 1306363923 891280 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mathematics is about RESULTS! not intuitions! because intuitions can LIE! < 1306363939 569964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well often there are many of them and in fact for each of them, one of the theorems says *exactly* that < 1306364013 602873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but understanding things by reading is very, very hard. i guess that's why they have exercises. but who does those unless they have to. < 1306364016 215353 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can call mathematics on "jargon", though, because unlike other fields, each of the pieces of "jargon" is (or should be) a well-defined abstraction, that is built upon < 1306364024 899041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306364084 600644 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'd say there is no jargon, you don't really say anything unless you defined it yourself or it's english for monkeys < 1306364094 797463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306364097 570078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it's a well-known math term < 1306364120 638364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, well-known is rather relative and about 100 people actually know the term but anyhow < 1306364131 414515 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-214-228.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And well-known math terms are themselves quite well defined. < 1306364132 686428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1306364216 776076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i made you win your bingo maybe < 1306364357 144149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ooc has a java interpreter btw < 1306364362 393978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it can bootstrap their compiler though < 1306364366 155643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is abandoned i think < 1306364395 895098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:35:59: javascript is the easiest language to debug by far. < 1306364396 145872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1306364443 434916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04:09: Yes, Perl should be used for interactive statistics. While R is better suited for IRC bots: https://bitbucket.org/catseye/rtype < 1306364443 683997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if i've mentioned how awesome you are lately < 1306364460 737619 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1306364476 346418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm go sleep < 1306364480 366029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1306364485 777466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: loser donkey < 1306364502 776079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you. < 1306364513 555374 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306364514 394432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1306364521 288722 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway work tomorrow -> < 1306365013 662630 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /am/ pretty awesome, but not as awesome as ooc's build process. That one is /highly awesome/. < 1306365045 407840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: the open source thing, I think it might be a fallacy in disguise < 1306365047 147639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, < 1306365059 780350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you audit gigantic C interpreter source trees before you compile them? < 1306365071 149328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtfully, so you're still essentially trusting that the source does what they say it does (interprets a language) < 1306365084 595144 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I say that didn't bother me too? < 1306365084 678149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really different to trusting that their pregenerated C source is compiled from their compiler sources < 1306365103 199863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well no but it shouldn't bother you /much/ or... everything will bother you < 1306365106 153874 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I doubt Intel will give me the schematics of this cpu here < 1306365139 492599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean unless you're going to do the double-compiling rigmarole constantly and only use things whose full source code you've audited, you're always going to be making assumptions with our current terrible security models < 1306365165 125078 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is a possible world which will contain more of this (I download an ooc binary) and a possible world which will contain less of this (I don't download the ooc binary and, rather, forget ooc exists) < 1306365186 420786 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still trying to figure out why Bitbucket thinks it's popular enough to include in its list of languages < 1306365201 360674 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still unable to find a project on Bitbucket that is identifiably "crafted in ooc" < 1306365223 629850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "ooc" means? < 1306365232 200113 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://ooc-lang.org/ < 1306365242 219632 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it stands for, if it stands for anything. < 1306365256 653492 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creator comes here sometimes < 1306365263 146220 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang m key < 1306365271 374788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we know. < 1306365323 448522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bitbucket even have search by language < 1306365325 40435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ui is terrible < 1306365344 394946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like github but worse < 1306365349 408560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i guess that's what bitbucket is... < 1306365373 582420 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghett-hub < 1306365489 600503 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306365535 748975 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: I am frequently undone because my love of wizards < 1306365583 383358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306365723 486952 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be bad at code golf except in a few cases...... for Deadfish challenge, I beat everyone at AWK but not at anything else. I almost beat everyone at C, I did badly with JavaScript, and I don't know much about Perl. < 1306365797 471188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did, however, beat a few people on this channel, as far as I know: ais523 and adam.) < 1306365858 152920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And #esoteric did beat ditto and bk1e.) < 1306365862 593409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306365961 888484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=736 < 1306365992 997527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306366200 602223 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43b9d.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1306367440 994259 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306368170 351058 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1306368245 45684 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306368751 984267 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306368806 409413 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306368882 420395 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-214-228.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306369965 685126 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1306370739 164194 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN MORE HOMESTUCK < 1306370746 747444 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott et. al. < 1306370761 748561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah um I check often enough you don't have to remind me. :p < 1306370810 621357 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you check several times a day? < 1306370824 676038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't? < 1306370853 75146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually this time it was that I loaded the SA thread and someone mentioned a new update. :p < 1306370892 711801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past few minutes? (Just want to be sure we're on the same page here) < 1306370954 755496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306370963 758785 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:12: In the past few minutes? (Just want to be sure we're on the same page here) < 1306370964 309668 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306370972 687100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306370974 89769 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1306371204 652222 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, someone renamed the despotic language section in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language to turning tarpit < 1306371233 133720 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't think that's quite right... < 1306371316 364888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1306371319 645988 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing tarpit and...turning tarpit? < 1306371330 73021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of _course_ it's a pun < 1306371377 111543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should instead rename it to "Despotic languages (turning tarpit)" < 1306371385 558946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Wikipedia, I mean) < 1306371474 391390 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306371493 798153 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is LOLCODE really an esoteric programming language? < 1306371497 69337 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's C with different syntax < 1306371512 640054 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the black sheep of the family < 1306371540 615986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly _intended_ to be esoteric, yet it's so only in a very shallow way < 1306371978 688412 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shitty < 1306371986 580247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although i don't think that's quite right... < 1306371988 558106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso? < 1306371991 870386 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we agreed is a better name < 1306372226 331537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try harder!!! < 1306372338 823143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i mean they are not actually _synonyms_ < 1306372345 136045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turning tarpit has to _turn_ < 1306372385 778224 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well meharharharbaraba said that despotic was just another name for a turning tarpit < 1306372388 718915 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1306372390 938777 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]so... < 1306372398 126238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "turning tarpit" is a misnomer already :) < 1306372636 628316 :micah|insane!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306372731 338450 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the three articles in the category pretty much fits the definition of turning tarpit on our wiki. it is just not the same as the definition on wikipedia (which was the definition of despotic language) < 1306372844 939379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1306372985 718028 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: LOLCODE is composed principally of fecal matter. < 1306373045 678170 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306373233 767765 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306373650 322399 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's thundery outside, and my scaredy cat has shoved herself uncomfortably under my chest :P < 1306373751 223995 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed opportunity to say "scaredy cat cat". < 1306373769 622954 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "scaredy-cat cat" X-P < 1306373776 839841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scaredy cat-cat. < 1306374222 865224 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . 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Downlaod video fo...) < 1306374223 556678 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1306374233 194359 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive wanted to download 7 Khoon Maaf for my entire life < 1306374236 65980 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i can do it for fee < 1306374238 94800 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :free < 1306374238 782057 :lameNOT!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net NICK :lament < 1306374241 659727 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you Anicgibcamp < 1306374243 518045 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you so much < 1306374247 63266 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1306374865 266044 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N Yutham Sei Divx Hd‎; 01:51 . . (+2,934) . . Easmapohand (Talk | contribs) (New page:


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Downlaod video for ...) < 1306374866 178963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1306374867 744128 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN MORE DOWNLOADS < 1306375450 649401 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohston < 1306375453 818714 :micahjohston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micah|irssi < 1306375457 572526 :micah|irssi!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micah||| < 1306375461 756784 :micah|||!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306375468 999465 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :ec|ec < 1306375551 210094 :ec|ec!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306375738 297470 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :mj|irssi < 1306375759 276945 :mj|irssi!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306375835 549163 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306375839 57887 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: stop < 1306375850 846786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly micahjohnston is a secret agent communicating in nick changes < 1306375875 217641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must accept this as a matter of utmost importance to global security < 1306375877 997752 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, the period of nick changes convey the information. < 1306375887 680201 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :periods* < 1306375889 215815 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steganickraphy < 1306375894 986889 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nick itself does not have any meaning. < 1306375914 132823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a clever ruse < 1306375940 168763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this needs some heavy error correction to beat lag < 1306376000 344866 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality some kind of modulation would have to be in use. < 1306376039 693835 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :not-quite-correc < 1306376055 50663 :not-quite-correc!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :theyreontome < 1306376064 831655 :theyreontome!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306376107 911442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not-quite-correc"? clearly this scheme is using self-reference < 1306376136 769232 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :oerjanisoverthin < 1306376145 138421 :oerjanisoverthin!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :overthinking < 1306376150 26961 :overthinking!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306376158 401059 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :story of my life < 1306376240 904066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan you're overthin < 1306376243 294040 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a sandwich or something :/ < 1306376351 924016 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is esco still alive? < 1306376365 499023 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :heisnotthin < 1306376368 388075 :heisnotthin!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306376541 83949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306376548 308735 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1306376966 976095 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: doubtful :P < 1306377035 295746 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah, actually (as i mentioned hours ago) i'm working on something like it < 1306377064 706963 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the main architecture differs. < 1306377115 790151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it less terrible than Esco? :) < 1306377121 873078 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this esotope? < 1306377126 87421 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306377131 732147 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/esotope < 1306377139 840162 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO such a project is interesting if it shares backends. < 1306377145 181915 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that anyway. < 1306377204 893059 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, esotope attempts to implement N^2 combination from input language to output language, when there are N languages < 1306377213 465547 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinations* < 1306377274 940609 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since it is infeasible, i instead implement much less number of those combinations and fill the remaining cases transitively < 1306377312 706856 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if one has a processor from Text to Brainfuck, and one from Brainfuck to Ook!, then you don't have to write a processor from Text to Ook! < 1306377327 939733 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an EsoInterpreters type thing < 1306377342 602680 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's suboptimal when the language is not Ook!, but better than nothing. < 1306377345 718457 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: exactly. < 1306377365 782767 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to this end i had to implement some kind of meta-object system in ocalm < 1306377367 426652 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml* < 1306377387 529170 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks feasible? :p < 1306377449 184851 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked yet :) < 1306377452 656645 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, obligatory - < 1306377455 498288 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell Haskell Haskell ;D < 1306377459 470593 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306378230 997971 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common backend thing for esoteric languages might be interesting < 1306378241 718180 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, most of the bf tape optimisations aren't specific to bf, they work for any tape-with-head structure < 1306378361 485080 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a good word for rejecting-out-of-snobbery? < 1306378407 845283 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Douchebaggery. < 1306378416 726509 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i can put in a paper :P < 1306378423 453188 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Have you considered using not-Make? < 1306378430 655241 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh please :P < 1306378441 24737 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :P < 1306378493 759092 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly more serious note: any particular reason for Ocaml? < 1306378503 838953 :Aune!~arne@piggelin.lysator.liu.se QUIT :Quit: Hath Deprated < 1306378776 787762 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i) of course i dislike make generally, but for now i'm going to stick to it. ii) to use both imperative and functional features. < 1306378795 296472 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION afk < 1306379166 175911 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is good at that too ;D < 1306379190 815055 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, only in Haskell are imperative actions first-class. < 1306379193 347141 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306380068 119253 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it ever get to be a pain using monad transformers? < 1306380434 873325 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306380600 267382 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, TV Tropes on Homestuck comments that the wiki takes what trolls say at face value < 1306380610 230458 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-233.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306380617 499924 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the entire community consist of portions taking pot shots at each other? < 1306380650 784172 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know since I'm not stupid enough to read the TV Tropes page, which consists of an alphabetical listing of every trope on the entire site. < 1306380677 114407 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never found any incorrect information on the wiki but I'm not exactly cross-referencing things. < 1306380685 200545 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it say that anyway. < 1306380810 479102 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Homestuck/TropesS-U search for Unreliable Narrator < 1306380822 47396 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306380836 539028 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306380890 725837 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some random person added that :P < 1306380897 361866 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like anyone would notice anyone adding anything to those pages < 1306380901 523137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering they're all fives miles long < 1306380942 542462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway who cares, the tv tropes page is interminably boring < 1306381495 552328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306381513 829145 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang wiki is not supposed to be the movie downloading wiki < 1306381559 913685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NOW. < 1306381580 142777 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: blanking the pages is a waste of time, wait for an admin < 1306381634 893307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it reduces their google hits in some cases < 1306381664 234666 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I know, that is why I only put it on one of them. < 1306381737 442468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if google detects links that are frequently removed... < 1306381771 627978 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we use nofollow < 1306381771 995778 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1306381819 330029 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway the permalink is still in recent changes < 1306381842 840713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as a link < 1306381874 82204 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION back < 1306381905 176800 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, and it was quite painful for me to get used on it. ;) < 1306381912 384319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean to the article version. that simply _has_ to be nofollow, otherwise we'd get swamped like haskellwiki once was < 1306381927 441301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or robots.txt, even < 1306381942 129351 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a new esolang added called "Hatter". I don't know if "\apply" is allowed < 1306381966 629736 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm also trying to learn ocaml in the course of the development (i do write code in Haskell as my daily job...) so it actually does not matter :p < 1306381978 314153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, < 1306381992 420884 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: psht, real haskellers don't get paid for it < 1306381998 47200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, links are nofollow < 1306381998 564432 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[THINLY DISGUISED JEALOUSY] < 1306382011 702505 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "A numeric constant behaves as a hat that always yields the corresponding value. Data dropped into a numeric constant is lost." Is the "nop" hat similar? < 1306382042 702421 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does tvtropes still exist < 1306382057 706187 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, as a part of my research, actually. *wink* < 1306382066 808606 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: because humanity is dead. RIP. < 1306382068 27285 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Probably because they have a lot of things and informations on there. < 1306382072 115085 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: >:E < 1306382083 136339 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvtropes is the next wikipedia < 1306382087 542829 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon we'll be feeding it into our AIs < 1306382090 573188 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can impersonate nerds < 1306382093 106472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1306382093 601881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1306382095 176317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most obnoxious ais < 1306382097 11006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is a different set of information, it is a different kind of things. < 1306382100 572418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every sentence would start < 1306382103 607376 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This Troper" < 1306382116 796301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is one thing, TV Tropes is other things. < 1306382120 855809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think ais would like tvtropes fed into him < 1306382126 720680 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, no, but the AI will automatically generate a work using its knowledge of tropes in order to amuse itself. < 1306382129 146637 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whenever i need tautologies < 1306382132 506134 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can always rely on you to deliver them < 1306382162 503879 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay good point < 1306382173 221025 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will read tvtropes but ignore the 'examples' list < 1306382174 645850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Unless it was the AI designed specifically for that purpose, maybe? < 1306382185 659783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whoosh < 1306382267 123538 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38 < 1306382271 889024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burgers are made of koala fish < 1306382274 469649 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1306382277 73529 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all koalas are space < 1306382279 990309 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your opinions? < 1306382293 14053 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I don't know. < 1306382360 177639 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up the 'unexamples' list, in case of Uncyclopedia. < 1306382372 21393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1306382557 270231 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New kind of exotic code golf: Make amount of alnum same as amount of symbol, and put (alnum=sym) after your name. < 1306382578 65317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so exotic < 1306382590 868740 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: would you be willing to critique a draft of an introduction to a paper im writing? < 1306382601 982373 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if it was tomorrow and not five am today < 1306382603 351867 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or er < 1306382605 877016 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if it was later today < 1306382611 830489 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what i am saying is no, but yes if you're asking future me < 1306382614 133496 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :later today is fine! < 1306382617 263238 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least what i assume future me is going to be like < 1306382624 243620 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might actually decide to hate you way too much to do it < 1306382624 951685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1306382625 157639 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :future D: < 1306382626 569315 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :timey wimey < 1306382628 63157 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youll have to ask him when he starts existing < 1306382634 296704 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i become him < 1306382636 624483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transform into him < 1306382647 89306 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REGENERATE, IF YOU WILL < 1306382658 38450 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is definitely what you think is taking place here. < 1306382735 85244 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :everyone < 1306382743 725275 :everyone!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston < 1306382839 55954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1306382841 64044 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/cwatc_draft.pdf < 1306382878 838001 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306382943 984836 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should remove all references to "i", they make the paper impure and ugly. < 1306382952 328286 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i didn't want to pretend people didn't exist i wouldn't be reading something set in computer modern. < 1306382971 736139 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :X < 1306382981 749314 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want more coherent opinions WHOOPS YOU'RE SHIT OUT OF LUCK but slightly more amusing (but equally incoherent) ones will be available once i've slept < 1306382984 983176 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate using the impersonal style < 1306382987 921330 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels unnatural < 1306383012 259359 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i shall stick with the fun DT literature in using personal pronouns < 1306383030 224266 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1306383031 916194 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words < 1306383037 659705 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its good enough for conor, its good enough for me < 1306383056 19679 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but theres a difference < 1306383064 138242 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conor mcbride is fucking god incarnate and pretty much the best person to ever live < 1306383065 244470 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre not < 1306383068 545407 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase youre not conor mcbride < 1306383074 484028 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do that < 1306383077 808193 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will have to become conor mcbride < 1306383182 241848 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true < 1306383186 397307 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about mcbride being awesome < 1306383189 171109 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking love his accent < 1306383214 917889 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres he from, btw < 1306383219 670637 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sounds northern of some sort < 1306383232 285170 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scotland < 1306383240 985910 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1306383241 525296 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i'm very much mistaken. < 1306383243 180321 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he actually sounds a bit like arthur darvill to me < 1306383249 694571 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and darvill is from birmingham < 1306383268 937392 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't his two universities he's been at both in scotland... < 1306383271 575776 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fairly good evidence :P < 1306383291 671472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no wait < 1306383305 119707 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strathclyde is glasgow < 1306383308 65703 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well dunno < 1306383309 527517 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isnt he also at nottingham? < 1306383310 834828 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but nottingham isnt :P < 1306383316 55410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he used to be < 1306383324 617715 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is epigram two out yet < 1306383330 474037 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his current email is at nottingham < 1306383346 498635 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if his site is up to date < 1306383353 584839 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.e-pig.org/epilogue/?p=802 < 1306383355 306831 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe ()"? < 1306383357 177604 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pointless type < 1306383367 350704 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess it might be to use the maybe monad < 1306383392 397749 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nottingham is east midlands < 1306383402 889032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last myth adventures comic :( < 1306383412 173970 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not tooo far from birmingham < 1306383434 165811 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe () ~= Bool! < 1306383446 675410 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1306383450 430064 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1306383451 25074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: not strictly true in haskell < 1306383451 852821 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe () has one more element < 1306383455 621013 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo bottom < 1306383462 784137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a dangerous thing to modulo :) < 1306383466 810797 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1306383467 96572 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it's being used for the maybe monad here anyway < 1306383473 732274 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't have a bool monad after all < 1306383481 327650 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep indeed it is < 1306383485 707043 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot, True, False vs. Bot, Nothing, Just (), Just Bot < 1306383490 412345 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ < 1306383491 474496 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftfy < 1306383494 562112 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bot < 1306383496 357937 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbai < 1306383535 713685 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a full unicode cultist < 1306383539 221482 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Silent cumulativity is a kind of subtyping, and if you are not scared of subtyping, you have not properly understood it." < 1306383563 171439 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i read conor's paper on ornamental algebras todayesterday < 1306383572 726736 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :todayesterday < 1306383573 638692 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it yestertoday < 1306383574 1505 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a nice word < 1306383592 349809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what will you do todaymorrow < 1306383600 953947 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what a fucking paper man < 1306383602 191893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep hopefully < 1306383615 250119 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully indeed < 1306383641 927645 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rpscontest.com/ this is cool < 1306383649 36137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top programs are all pretty short, too < 1306383736 13187 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i will now be going to sleep, indeed < 1306383738 120893 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1306383751 88555 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg me with comments on the intro, elliott_, oerjan < 1306383757 366057 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why /msg < 1306383761 395106 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a perfectly good channel right here < 1306383792 729339 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: scrollback! :( < 1306383795 657305 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine < 1306383797 373536 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ping me < 1306383799 528963 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sleeping too < 1306383806 951256 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you comment < 1306383916 83 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what makes me sad? < 1306383924 684415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R C and Smalltalk are contemporary languages. < 1306383935 202403 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Smalltalk is the *older of the two*) < 1306383965 465306 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure about that < 1306383969 776813 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306383982 560044 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk. 1972. C. 1973. < 1306384024 199622 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt c older than that, thats just the first release < 1306384032 705844 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took until nineteen eighty for smalltalk to go public < 1306384033 243993 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo < 1306384038 399731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should find C's inception date instead < 1306384041 333497 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like late sixties i believe < 1306384049 549747 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1969 vs. 1969, then. < 1306384073 224004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "The C Programming Language" came out in 1978. < 1306384121 136621 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but unix w/ c came out in seventy-three < 1306384129 457423 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people didn't not use c until the book did they :P < 1306384132 225300 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. < 1306384161 528951 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. *Smalltalk and C are contemporary languages*. < 1306384162 190135 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im going to < 1306384162 764024 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep < 1306384163 148018 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1306384164 368803 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1306384166 808504 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1306384172 410348 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i wish smalltalk caught on rather than c. < 1306384174 896838 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306384186 535722 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really get an fpga set-up. xeightsix sucks. < 1306384186 947684 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1306384187 647810 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1306384188 369718 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1306384188 484725 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1306384188 897576 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1306384189 795717 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1306384191 759381 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1306384241 996092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1306384322 834488 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you critique too! < 1306384455 986149 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1306384961 295126 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1306385087 506355 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306385809 472391 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306386002 365585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-202.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306386012 63911 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306390093 296704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at my C codes of Deadfish for a few minutes and failed to see how to make any more shorter. I already have three question marks and adding more will just make it even longer! < 1306390642 907361 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43b9d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306390722 473162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c 1^256&&1 < 1306390764 278662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1306390765 112845 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1306390774 161231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306390787 702875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",1^256&&1); < 1306390789 807675 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1 < 1306390795 381330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",256^256&&1); < 1306390797 617196 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0 < 1306390810 157365 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1306390814 622004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",256^256&&256); < 1306390816 899030 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0 < 1306391157 473922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, it is really weird to think that once upon a time, typing was a relatively uncommon skill. < 1306391181 83841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/typing/touch typing/ < 1306391190 346285 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially before the 19th century < 1306391226 549953 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it was obviously an uncommon skill before the invention of the typewriter. < 1306391239 172719 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only time travellers could really be said to have the skill, after all. < 1306391362 696763 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306392212 463096 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of C code are you trying to write? < 1306392248 529427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me? < 1306392270 25378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had an idea for doing the deadfish 256 test < 1306392273 992236 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^ does not mean what you think it means. :) < 1306392287 711127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: want to bet? < 1306392306 740340 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, yeah, you probably are meaning to use it as bitwise xor. < 1306392318 691909 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda glossed over the boolean ands for some reason. < 1306392351 302931 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should sleep. < 1306392384 997784 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1306392982 309863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Remember the order of precedence of operators in C, and how && and || works. Whatever you wrote is clearly not working I just used something like (~x&&x-256) which results in zero when you are -1 or 256 or in one otherwise. < 1306393011 528747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what's not working about it? < 1306393027 708689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",3^256&&3); < 1306393030 163190 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1 < 1306393036 755259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306393075 185711 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, && doesn't return its last argument :( < 1306393107 342556 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1306393116 264387 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is not the same as in JavaScript. && converts to boolean and || also converts to boolean. If you want like || in JavaScript you can use ?: in GNU C. < 1306393116 929337 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what ? is for? < 1306393135 24188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With nothing else in between the ? and : signs) < 1306393140 479386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i was trying to find something shorter than using ? < 1306393161 762220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still use ^ for the test though, it's shorter than != < 1306393162 52302 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we need to make GoC < 1306393165 89590 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along the lines of Goruby < 1306393225 927633 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",3^256?:3); < 1306393231 894816 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​259 < 1306393246 690378 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I didn't know about that one < 1306393248 684214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that didn't help < 1306393252 170031 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the argument tests to true, it prints the argument? < 1306393271 604675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? it prints always < 1306393275 88309 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x?:y is the same as x?x:y in GNU C. < 1306393290 190137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the left size of ?: is nonzero then that is the result and it will skip the part afterward, if zero then it does evaluate the right part. < 1306393294 80541 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what pikhq said < 1306393294 194176 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know about that shortcut < 1306393302 780033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently ?: doesn't have low enough precedence < 1306393302 987417 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a GNU-ism. < 1306393307 817328 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, except that it will not cause "x" evalulated twice < 1306393348 344055 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, yeah, it more accurately maps out to ({ typeof (x) _x = x; _x?_x:y; }) < 1306393358 967930 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more GNU!) < 1306393410 205190 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc x?:y is also different than x?x:y in that it doesn't evaluate x twice < 1306393414 127034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait ?: is like ||, not && < 1306393425 571376 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what's wrong < 1306393430 111095 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: As we discussed. < 1306393438 294746 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I must have missed it < 1306393456 188155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",3^256?3:); < 1306393457 493802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an official golf challenge for a deadfish interp? < 1306393457 832770 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Does not compile. < 1306393463 520191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1306393471 729626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1306393476 538197 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",!3^256?:3); < 1306393476 721211 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anarchy golf is official < 1306393478 695612 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​256 < 1306393482 150830 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1306393486 697338 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",(!3^256)?:3); < 1306393488 754357 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​256 < 1306393506 220890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no point in that < 1306393506 394933 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Fuck me, I should sleep. < 1306393515 792136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagol is the MOST official < 1306393526 409264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",3^256?3:0); < 1306393528 584134 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​3 < 1306393565 901046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one works < 1306393590 587006 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pity golf.shinh.org doesn't let you have arbitrarily many input/output pairs < 1306393669 958795 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is true, but it is also true that you can post multiple submissions by () after your name < 1306393707 729696 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean, you can't pose problems that force you to implement the entirety of a problem, just whatever you can fit in three tests < 1306393717 340986 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you multiplex tests together but that's just a pain to have to do for every entry < 1306393762 341343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be okay even if they just allowed ten tests < 1306393763 983196 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for deadfish it is easy to add more than one test, since each input can have many commands. however the deadfish golf still manages to miss some important tests < 1306393780 313406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real golf challenge should require more than ten tests < 1306393780 955245 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 10 would be good for most things < 1306393783 685845 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Which ones? Be specific? < 1306393798 495944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it never increments or decrements to 256 < 1306393825 354813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some of the submissions cheat by only testing on squaring < 1306393860 717249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone knows they are CHEATERS < 1306393866 402922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306393867 424885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I know... but, at least, you can set the deadline, so it can be checked afterward. You can also put like (cheat) (embed) (genuine) (exec) and whatever else afterward. < 1306393898 895896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, so that's how they made their C codes shorter... I don't mind posting such solutions as long as they are clearly marked as such... < 1306393941 9719 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spy one such cheater IN THIS VERY CHANNEL < 1306393957 354302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROTECT US FROM THE CHEATER OERJAN < 1306394025 371919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i haven't made any submissions. < 1306394051 337450 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, grammar ambiguity < 1306394085 341344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, they might. i haven't seen the c code < 1306394111 558854 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will see on Friday, then. < 1306394115 176512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've seen python code which did use that cheat < 1306394127 738379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell < 1306394200 209073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered making a haskell one but when my first try was much much longer than the leader... < 1306394235 895008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send it anyways, maybe... < 1306394240 740741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is haskell good for golfing? < 1306394255 842097 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my first try was a modification of someone else's < 1306394262 545453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: well it's better than java :D < 1306394291 310475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, in that case, you don't need to. < 1306394292 182621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306394366 221406 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think haskell is not-very-good for golfing ... maybe not bad, but many useful function names are long and lots of stuff require import statements < 1306394385 960038 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1306394397 964606 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: All that means is you have different challenge to determine to use function with short name or whatever else it is. < 1306394417 123982 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean obviously haskell's never going to beat golfscript < 1306394421 755050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way my C code is written, it seems that trying to make it check only on squaring doesn't make it shorter anyways. (If I could make it shorter using cheats, I would use separate submissions using () after my name, but I can't.) < 1306394422 299152 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it entertaining to minimize < 1306394457 168144 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1306394461 16492 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Yes, but each language is a separate challenge. < 1306394498 689466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskellers like to make point-free code, which sometimes is more compact. but not always, it tends to add parentheses. < 1306394541 570705 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some of that suffers from the import problem, which is not an issue with lambdabot < 1306394568 854292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that lambdabot has too many imports sometimes so inconsistent things crash) < 1306394619 848061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for really compact point-free code, you want to import at least Control.Applicative, Control.Arrow and Control.Monad.Instances) < 1306394695 714311 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably Data.List and Control.Monad for higher order combinators < 1306394822 632869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, the tags you put after your name in anarchy golf, can be two kinds, cheats and exotics. < 1306394847 520016 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(embed) is a common one < 1306394874 579571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a common one falling into the "cheats" category in my categorization of two kinds. < 1306395012 66013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] < 1306395013 498069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101... < 1306395014 670800 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common tags for "exotics" include (bin) (nobin) (alnum) (sym) while some others in the "cheats" category might include (embed) (cheat) (exec) (noexec) (genuine) (luck) (rand) note sometimes tags indicate presence of cheating and sometimes absence of cheating < 1306395030 459429 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ^ < 1306395035 461257 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo, clever < 1306395148 113347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one with scanl for fibonacci which i have forgotten < 1306395191 572161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1306395257 641600 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((1:).scanl(+)1) -- This? < 1306395261 5866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,1... < 1306395266 859035 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does fix too? < 1306395267 445923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it was < 1306395283 963672 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fixpoint combinator < 1306395284 153707 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Fixed-point combinator. fix f = f (fix f) < 1306395335 478572 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What ar eyou doing in this channel instead of #haskell? :-) < 1306395358 142474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was here before i was in #haskell < 1306395608 523595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn < 1306395626 811307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morndu < 1306395672 371230 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems while my eyes were closed, some time passed. < 1306395693 903467 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike this < 1306395987 89062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan how about the fact that if you have two exact sequences of length 5 and you have an onto homomorphism between the first nodes, an isomorphism between the second and fourth nodes and a one-to-one homomorphism between the fifth ones, then if the middle is a homomorphism it is an isomorphism < 1306396018 270942 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just something < 1306396034 83174 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very nice fact which i used in the first article i published < 1306396039 226278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306396041 975321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1306396044 482888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306396047 520750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306396073 208652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i recall the referee wanted us to remove it, so we had to clarify that it was actually needed < 1306396112 144733 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it used very often or do we just have very a similar aesthetic sense < 1306396150 236971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just grabbed that from a list of 50 random "preliminary" definitions and lemmas < 1306396171 858584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why i quoted preliminary, did some heavy editing on that sentence < 1306396287 26352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just read all your articles < 1306396294 514397 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG HUH :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1306396312 581009 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we were doing k-theory, which is a sort of homological algebra, and we had homomorphisms going between two exact sequences and needed to show the important one was an isomorphism - it was pretty much a perfect fit. < 1306396315 406172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i probably still wouldn't get any of it < 1306396342 975579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a paper on a k-theoretic approach to symbolic dynamics on my desk < 1306396379 993771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is anyone of Giordano, Putnam or Skau involved? < 1306396383 894566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what k-theory is, except that it's a sort of homological algebra apparently < 1306396399 860789 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :putnam sounds very familiar, he must be in at least one of the papers i'm reading < 1306396417 937219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can check today if i manage to drag myself out of the armchair < 1306396437 806690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well there's also the putnam contest which is something entirely unrelated < 1306396448 469711 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that < 1306396453 915315 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for also being math) < 1306396483 136070 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc i've heard "the putnam article" at some point at uni < 1306396486 535170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's putnam? < 1306396527 404787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ian putnam, a professor who collaborated with my advisor on a breakthrough paper < 1306396543 915908 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my advisor being Skau) < 1306396545 434371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read "i am putnam" < 1306396568 482446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the breakthrough paper abourt < 1306396570 359326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about < 1306396635 792666 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about classifying cantor set minimal dynamic systems up to orbit equivalence by their k-theory < 1306396743 688492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm, cantor set minimal dynamic systems, what's that in symbolic dynamics lingo, minimal closed shift-invariant subset of the bi-infinite sequences + shift? < 1306396766 662974 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first article btw was proving that this classification broke down if you went slightly outside cantor sets < 1306396777 683239 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes i recall us talking about this < 1306396783 547847 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i didn't quite get it since i have to ask < 1306396784 720412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306396850 955232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the things you mention from shifts are a subset of minimal dynamic systems, the expansive ones < 1306396917 508246 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have the property that there exists an epsilon > 0 such that for any distinct points x and y you can apply the dynamics some number of times to them and get them further away than epsilon < 1306396922 606013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least shifts are expansive on minimal systems < 1306396926 980691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1306396940 141755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm < 1306397007 647622 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the cantor set is actually more like the one-way infinite sequences? < 1306397008 485744 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Can't Believe It's Not Hitler! < 1306397050 815048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one-way or two-way are homeomorphic, you just need two-way to put a dynamics on it < 1306397094 94057 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so can you somehow connect CA and this stuff? < 1306397111 479722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the bratteli diagrams we used are more like one-sided ones < 1306397144 187988 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe it is hitler < 1306397161 465766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well CAs have their dynamics sort of in the orthogonal direction, don't they < 1306397175 988561 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitively < 1306397190 870681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea, do you mean since you think of the dynamics in the cantor set case as a *shift*? < 1306397201 253947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shift invariant though < 1306397220 837355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAs are the continuous shift invariant functions yes < 1306397239 274705 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while minimal systems are shift invariant _sets_ < 1306397258 600907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so shift-invariant? so the dynamics is the shift? < 1306397274 106626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those that are shift systems are so < 1306397291 226946 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what i wanted to hear < 1306397305 304105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, invariant wrt whatever is the dynamical transformation < 1306397331 757960 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow so this is the same thing symbolic dynamics does really, except symbolic dynamics usually restricts to SFTs and sofic shfits so that you can play with matrices < 1306397361 525905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and transition graphs < 1306397365 874732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we played with bratteli diagrams, and an infinite tower of matrices < 1306397389 973755 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bratteli-vershik diagrams, to be precise) < 1306397391 354723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow your dad must be rich < 1306397403 909613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1306397412 253021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your toys are so much cooler < 1306397438 171865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my advisor and my co-author, silly < 1306397455 708497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" well we played with bratteli diagrams, and an infinite tower of matrices" < 1306397468 601858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we < 1306397500 881852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never got the impression he was particularly rich. the main algebra professor supposedly was rather well off, though.) < 1306397530 812441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reasons not related to her work, i think < 1306397627 862017 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the dynamics invariance idea is also played with in cellular automata < 1306397663 166639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you often let your CA run forever first and then look at the dynamics on the set you get are a result < 1306397665 552482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely < 1306397715 188889 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any feature request and/or ideas for TeXnicard, please tell me; I would like to know. < 1306397716 803969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clopen set U is inward if G(U) \sub U, and U's attractor is \cap_i G^i(U) < 1306397756 806367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :often enough we take the attractor of S^Z because that's what the CA looks like "eventually" < 1306397767 584381 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a clopen set? < 1306397769 650204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306397774 35615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: closed and open set < 1306397808 452871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and the attractor of S^Z is called the limit set, didn't remember that so had to define attractors :P < 1306397814 485053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistency is important < 1306397838 93612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are interesting results on the limit set < 1306397846 339210 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our dynamics was always invertible so we never had that < 1306397862 788869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance my supervisor proved a rice's theorem for limit sets some years ago < 1306397872 626516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this is very different from the kind of stuff you ppl do < 1306397892 636105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rice's theorem is the one that says you can't say anything about a turing machine's language < 1306397894 257156 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is trivial < 1306397920 234022 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306397937 726627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CA, it means for any property P (nontrivial subset of limit sets that *actually occur*), you can't tell if your CA has that property in general < 1306397950 108039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is much harder to prove < 1306397961 959927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no connection with the TM case) < 1306398146 276538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhow there are less computational questions as well and for the 1D case, a lot of fun little stuff is known about the structure of the attractor "tree" < 1306398168 279027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimal systems are the leaves i guess < 1306398179 747868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to work at some point i think :D < 1306398478 96466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in 0-dimensional spaces, clopen sets form a base for the topology < 1306398483 865449 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are very important < 1306398553 187648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U is open <==> clopen set around each point of U within U < 1306398580 881079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i'm just fucking with you, i don't except this to be a very useful lesson < 1306398671 750110 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's "the" definition of dimension according to you? < 1306398720 285205 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for zero dimensions they tend to agree don't they < 1306398754 834319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what another guy who studies zero dimensional spaces said when i asked < 1306398759 519120 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the later work on topological measures, the important one was about refinement of coverings < 1306398764 157508 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306398766 885541 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell < 1306398768 868566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's umm < 1306398796 43641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always find a refinement such that at most dimension + 1 sets intersect < 1306398797 720723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1306398809 912133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :refinement being a.... subset of the cover? :P < 1306398813 255461 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although our spaces were compact, which i think makes some variations of _that_ identical again < 1306398824 434839 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actually subset + smallening? < 1306398838 418898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306398844 679935 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually < 1306398888 191300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if you might have to take more than one subset of each original open set < 1306398895 912523 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1306398899 876223 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right < 1306399101 453901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought for about a day that i had a proof that if a space had dimension >= 2, then there existed nontrivial (non-lebesgue derived) topological measures, but that proof had a fatal flaw. < 1306399122 975267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the changes they made to Magic: the Gathering, except for the change of the name of the remove from game zone. That zone is still used in the game so it makes sense to change it. Other than that I do not like their changes. < 1306399134 557491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have 2n balls on a circle, each connected through the middle of the circle to the ball on the other side, have each of them contain a point contained in none of the other balls, and so that the whole circle gets covered, then you have to cut some of the connections in two or you have a huge number of collisions in the middle < 1306399139 585891 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM < 1306399146 678435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's not really true < 1306399154 476858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah kind of hard to come up with an example < 1306399191 773205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would that be a huge thing? < 1306399209 62769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing you thought you did < 1306399240 324403 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would have determined precisely which compact spaces have nontrivial top. measures < 1306399258 708726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does every compact space have a dimension? < 1306399272 537923 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306399281 7945 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense with the refinement thing at least < 1306399282 258010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be infinite of course < 1306399306 885224 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can't these days < 1306399352 63147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah topological measures, that was again something you talked about but i don't remember at all < 1306399363 575736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the spaces are compact, you can never find a particular cover which needs an infinite subcover < 1306399384 411811 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes no sense to go beyond infinity < 1306399393 251860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306399436 311028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond the first infinity < 1306399437 339386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306399587 86988 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain topological measures again? :) < 1306399594 745985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1306399623 802333 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have a compact hausdorff space, and its families of closed and open sets < 1306399634 147685 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306399708 793906 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have a set function from the union of open and closed sets to some [0, a] where a may usually be assumed = 1 < 1306399745 860775 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1306399774 158488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it m, and the space X, so m(X) = a < 1306399785 455449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default Magic Word, "Abracadabra", actually is a corruption of the Hebrew phrase "ha-Bracha dab'ra" < 1306399789 103099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1306399796 261614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306399798 835968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye zzo < 1306399824 536307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A is an open or closed subset of B, then m(A) <= m(B). < 1306399872 791342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, that's CRAZY!! (i'm being sarcastic btw) < 1306399880 338208 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A, B and C are open or closed subsets, A and B are disjoint and C is their union, then m(A) + m(B) = m(C). < 1306399897 829515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's additive < 1306399930 862263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i guess it's useful to open up the definition because of our crazy domain constraints < 1306399956 18514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but note that if A in B are open or closed subsets, then B \ A need not be, and in that case m(B \ A) does _not exist_, and there is no additivity. < 1306399976 395568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why it made sense to open the definition < 1306399985 374885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually the way you usually define it < 1306400004 643436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is exactly what you said, measurable disjoint things and measurable union => additive on those < 1306400019 774041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do continue, or are we done < 1306400031 366077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is possible to formulate the definition exactly like for ordinary measures < 1306400035 152759 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1306400089 343907 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if C is a closed set and epsilon > 0, then there exists an open set O containing C such that m(O) <= m(C) + epsilon < 1306400105 533619 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(regularity) < 1306400122 39292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306400122 547281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that may be it < 1306400165 108629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's pretty neat, why do we even bother with borel sets < 1306400231 680606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it follow that you can approximate open from inside by compact? < 1306400245 747775 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an important theorem is that if m(A union B) <= m(A) + m(B) for every open or closed A and B such that A union B is open or closed (subadditivity), then m actually comes from a borel measure. < 1306400246 739619 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or closed) < 1306400252 9835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306400274 704307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have m(C) + m(X \ C) = m(X), always, which gives a duality < 1306400308 948100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1306400334 394201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's noon, i have to go :P < 1306400335 763632 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1306400344 521383 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1306400576 924556 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1306401135 850277 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306401162 225140 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306401513 607745 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1306403084 41335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1306403509 853001 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a C or C++ library for reading graphics files < 1306403511 180210 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's good? < 1306403821 401070 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but if I use a library I have to supply the library with my assignment too < 1306403826 274016 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are we expected to do it again ?_? < 1306403830 127268 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn university assignments < 1306405616 429411 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could possibly just use one of the trivial formats, maybe. < 1306405853 941094 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ping < 1306407927 155261 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306407976 855633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306408004 715885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone. < 1306408004 796944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1306408075 914378 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's send Phantom_Hoover 42 messages. < 1306408084 654827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooo < 1306409750 527888 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah like .raw < 1306409754 227771 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't know how to convert into it < 1306409756 319778 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise that'd be good < 1306409767 76344 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1306409789 401322 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/ROC/ROC006-Sydney_Opera_House_Sails.jpg I need a .raw of the kind of striped texture of the brown surface on this picture < 1306412326 614711 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm, PSP can save as raw. sweet < 1306414833 5775 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other uncompressed formats with trivial headers. < 1306414865 732507 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Gimp has raw-writing capabilities too. (Or maybe it was just reading.) < 1306415181 456193 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1306415311 7186 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1306418021 330748 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306418050 379205 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306418053 679802 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306418053 761601 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306418248 156738 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306418464 657652 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Client Quit < 1306418481 787250 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306418836 174976 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: 1... 2... 3... HUGS! :D < 1306418854 325833 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306418894 457113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are also other uncompressed formats with trivial headers. <-- I don't know what .raw is, but if it is at all related to raw camera images it will be quite a pain to work with < 1306418951 707590 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Client Quit < 1306418971 724400 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306419199 733646 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306419875 396699 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306420785 587739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306421583 535600 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306422877 518453 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1306422880 548188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306423085 270858 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.55.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306423085 424923 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.55.202 QUIT :Changing host < 1306423085 506703 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306423298 263726 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306424323 568230 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306425307 731778 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1306425381 709136 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306425393 10207 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1306426847 587733 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306427607 263823 :Lymia!~moe@123.120.134.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306427607 385840 :Lymia!~moe@123.120.134.215 QUIT :Changing host < 1306427607 385978 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306428492 938345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Normally water and electricity don't mix." < 1306428496 440775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, Cracked? < 1306428498 52831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1306428557 87155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether you're making a comment at the obviousness of that, or that it's technically not distilled water that conducts electricity (iirc) < 1306428662 975188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that water and electricity mix extremely well. < 1306428679 390234 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, lol < 1306428763 348054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even explain the logic behind their statement but it's so stupid I... can't. < 1306428871 903196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And distilled water does conduct electricity a little, just not nearly as much as water with dissolved ions does. < 1306428895 159298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, distilled water only conducts electricity because of dissolved ions < 1306428901 9712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out water actually can dissolve in itself < 1306428905 234401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it saturates quickly < 1306428969 891885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, but I didn't really feel like explaining dissociation to be technically correct. < 1306428989 424440 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much water can you dissolve in 1L of water? < 1306429111 258181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember offhand < 1306429121 918591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know it's used as the basis for the definition of pH < 1306429152 932964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pH = -log_10 [H+] where [H+] is the concentration of H+ ions. < 1306429218 503859 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306429238 919486 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much water can you dissolve in 1L of dissolved water? < 1306429249 769103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work that way. < 1306429276 676632 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke. < 1306429309 211489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's often not much difference between jokes and interesting questions. < 1306429531 316018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose you could say that a litre of water will have 10^-7 mol of dissolved water in it.) < 1306429548 729403 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306429660 638223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment < 1306429669 492965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I applaud whoever got that image onto the article. < 1306429749 25579 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still confused by Firefox's absolutely stupid decision to make a self-signed SSL certificate scream loudly < 1306429780 838628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of the following is more secure, cryptographically: an unencrypted message, or an encrypted message with no assurance of who sent it? < 1306429782 609464 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which image? < 1306429800 70152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you said "the latter", congrats, you're not a complete, blithering moron! < 1306429833 530595 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, it does become a problem if you're expecting the certificate to verify the owner... < 1306429843 881654 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is "very often" < 1306429857 591656 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which image? < 1306429861 859082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one. < 1306429912 799116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It could at least make a distinction between "this is encrypted" and "the CAs we trust have verified this". < 1306429957 591647 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. < 1306429976 417672 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't self-signed certs still have the power to stop man in the middle attacks, or phishing? < 1306429976 756724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, beyond "ZOMG THIS IS ENCRYPTED WITH A SELF-SIGNED CERTIFICATE! IT WILL RAPE YOU, GIVE YOUR COMPUTER A VIRUS, AND KICK PUPPIES!" < 1306430020 52455 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: The *only* difference between a self-signed cert and a CA-signed cert is that there is no verification of the identity of the cert holder with a self-signed cert. < 1306430051 550618 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also mean it doesn't help in man-in-the-middle attacks, because the MITM can just present his own self-signed cert and pretend to be the destination server. < 1306430061 559219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pikhq_ is still confused by Firefox's absolutely stupid decision to make a self-signed SSL certificate scream loudly < 1306430069 867466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused by your not using Chrome. < 1306430081 86384 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome Adblock sucks balls. < 1306430082 357396 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you already have a copy of the cert, you can stop it, can't you? < 1306430086 916950 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to be confused if Chrome allows self-signed certs any more silently. < 1306430087 251612 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used cert A before. < 1306430089 863821 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now uses cert B. < 1306430106 117997 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes, but no browser complains on unexpected certificate changes. < 1306430118 609103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be cause for concern, shouldn't it? < 1306430146 571211 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the CA-driven (broken) trust model. :p < 1306430174 432451 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH host key checking works like that, though. < 1306430195 329029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, the CA-driven trust model is pretty fundamentally broken. < 1306430200 407679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am going to be confused if Chrome allows self-signed certs any more silently. < 1306430202 278722 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many people who get the initial host key in any very secure manner most of the time. < 1306430229 409143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they display an untrusted certificate by striking through their SHTTP thing. < 1306430242 923943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than opening an alert to tell you. < 1306430263 215917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Huge difference between "WARNING WARNING WARNING THIS IS UNSIGNED. IT WILL RAPE PUPPIES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION?" < 1306430272 24325 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DOING SO WILL RAPE TWICE AS MANY PUPPIES." < 1306430276 624318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I mean. < 1306430298 344651 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a bit strange is that even though it opts for that stance, it then makes the exception permanent by default. < 1306430310 460405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that makes sense? < 1306430328 658139 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306430351 585801 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they went for a truly secure stance, it'd warn you on non-HTTPS. < 1306430377 6816 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Hey, none of our CAs recognize this cert." < 1306430384 775607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As, after all, self-signed HTTPS is strictly more secure than HTTP. < 1306430387 386250 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's notify the user if it decides to change" < 1306430403 148187 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but if they want to make sure no-one misses the self-signed cert warning, they could show it by default every time. Though I guess with a permanent exception it does sort-of do the change notification, that's true. < 1306430453 692789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except that HTTP < self-signed HTTPS. They warn for the more secure of the two. < 1306430459 633755 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is moronic. < 1306430479 284519 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP is too common to warn on. < 1306430487 63335 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is unfortunate. < 1306430596 144888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they wanted to go for "true" security, they'd just do "Warning: your computer has not been turned into a plasma. This may cause some of your personal data to be stolen. Click here to turn your computer into a ball of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace." < 1306430688 328891 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306430915 564997 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306430915 645877 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306430915 646019 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306431111 419348 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306432408 849670 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here used the Oberon TUI? < 1306432424 384505 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's said that it doesn't have a prompt. how does someone run commands in it? < 1306432613 90212 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306432781 574776 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306432792 594577 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306433299 867116 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a nice emulator for it < 1306433330 530374 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are penty < 1306433453 474272 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure whether to emulate Oberon in VirtualBox or install it on Windows < 1306433458 853626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to do the former first < 1306433543 916601 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, what's Bluebottle? < 1306433560 53189 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1306433606 479060 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, are you installing it now? < 1306433624 153715 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm downloading Bluebottle, not really sure what it is < 1306433721 884267 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on AOL (active oberon language) < 1306433809 57815 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, i was specifically talking about this TUI: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/OberonScreen.PNG < 1306433888 913237 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oberon has a text user interface (TUI). It combines the point-and-click convenience of a graphical user interface (GUI) with the linguistic strength of a command line interface (CLI) and is closely tied to naming conventions of the Oberon language. Any text appearing on the screen can be edited and used as command input. Nothing like a prompt is required. Although radically different from a commandline, the TUI is very efficient and < 1306433889 175357 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : powerful[4]. A steep ascend in the early learning curve makes it difficult to start with. Its usage and programming interface is documented in Martin Reiser's book "The Oberon System." < 1306434531 458783 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice clown < 1306434562 823550 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CLI means that when you press "ENTER" the command is executed. With a TUI you can do pretty much the same thing, except that the command isn't executed until you click on it. < 1306434565 545994 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-ha < 1306434656 227041 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it's fairly nifty like that < 1306434666 778238 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i bet it has no vim support < 1306434671 505678 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluebottle in VirtualBox isn't working for me < 1306434671 833665 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it inherently sucks < 1306434684 434568 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe vb isn't bluebottle certified :X < 1306435001 948525 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-old.oberon.ethz.ch/cli.html < that argument sucks. < 1306435019 406441 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote it in 1999? it's mostly void due to things which already existed in 79. < 1306435235 989678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:53:24: huh, someone renamed the despotic language section in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language to turning tarpit < 1306435240 17308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was me, FWIW. < 1306435267 669892 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306435387 993078 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck's minimality borders on elegant and pure language design; in fact it is related to the P'' family of Turing machines. < 1306435393 147627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"related" :D < 1306435646 320663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck vs Java. < 1306435646 973283 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go. < 1306435678 485850 :CakeProphet!~adam@h84.48.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306435678 702685 :CakeProphet!~adam@h84.48.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306435678 784675 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306435876 282398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:56: zzo38: not really. i only have opinions on math nowadays :\ < 1306435883 763704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorry oko this is clearly false. < 1306435895 284638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have opinions on which soft drink is best to have sex in, for instance. < 1306435900 413506 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1306435903 877185 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that and math < 1306435913 972296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, P'' is a bit of a tarpitisation of BF < 1306435923 379477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i thought it's the exact same thing < 1306435923 524375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the causality goes the other way < 1306435933 159698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' combines < and flip-bit, I think < 1306435936 257327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also has no I/O < 1306435962 699313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it combines those. i guess also the binary thing is a bit of a tarpitisation. < 1306435978 137251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, more so) < 1306436012 489338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1306436072 611746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : That was me, FWIW. < 1306436080 388962 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1306436091 363399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are you watching us in Stalker Mode? < 1306436094 722592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the definition of turning tarpit is _not_ what wikipedia now says it is < 1306436107 878918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tur*n*ing tarpit? < 1306436111 891832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well last i checked) < 1306436113 396642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a typo or different word? < 1306436118 450161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's a pun < 1306436138 212092 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I don't get it. < 1306436150 418900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wheel a turning tarpit? < 1306436156 346602 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also a different word < 1306436177 655462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Whirl is < 1306436185 259464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple others < 1306436185 855673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm yeah that. < 1306436221 991845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway a despotic language did not have to have its command arranged in a wheel-like fashion, so need not be a turning tarpit < 1306436241 571918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*commands < 1306436578 948912 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how much water can you dissolve in 1L of water? < 1306436595 598488 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, how much? < 1306436603 608859 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said water is water-soluble. < 1306436614 544526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^(-14) something, which is why equal amounts of positive and negative ions gives pH = 7 by what Phantom_Hoover said < 1306436626 989429 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka neutral pH) < 1306436636 437717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep, that sounds about right < 1306436647 644335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1306436658 229422 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could that possibly have to do with 7 < 1306436660 67407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 10^-7 l/mol of both H+ and OH- ions, so it's effectively 10^-7mol/l of dissolved water. < 1306436668 993742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 09:40:35 actually, distilled water only conducts electricity because of dissolved ions < 1306436671 946362 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:41 it turns out water actually can dissolve in itself < 1306436677 94948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1306436678 334871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, pH is defined as -log_10 concentration(H+). < 1306436715 620957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the _product_ of amount of positive and negative ions which is 10^(-14) < 1306436718 764736 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering why a square root is taken when there's an equal amount of A and B < 1306436725 772624 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't actually looking this up, btw < 1306436734 78458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ^ < 1306436735 4175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306436752 254966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's because the product stays approximately constant even if you add ions to the mix by hand < 1306436754 442568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oklopol: < 1306436759 912339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default you get equal amounts < 1306436764 556999 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It's 10^-7 l/mol of both H+ and OH- ions, so it's effectively 10^-7mol/l of dissolved water." <<< and how does this have anything to do with the number 10^-14 :D < 1306436774 960003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it's just the dissociation constant. < 1306436776 260121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say, if you add enough H+ to get 10^-6 H+, you get approximately 10^-8 OH- < 1306436779 942975 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1306436780 930645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it multiplies to 10^-14 always < 1306436802 109835 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading backlog < 1306436806 64007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water molecules will pull each other apart until the concentrations are at 10^-7. < 1306436882 504975 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, that's pretty cool < 1306436890 606684 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the solution of water in water conduct electricity? < 1306436911 337269 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: well that's what ais523 said which started this < 1306436928 277692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: yes, although not too well because not a lot of water self-dissolves < 1306436933 816168 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but i thought he meant some other ions < 1306436940 133856 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not water ions. < 1306436955 983708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was distilled water, it doesn't have any other kind < 1306436972 393447 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "self-dissolves"? < 1306436991 167794 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, distilled water is never 100% pure. i thought he was referring to that. < 1306437004 801870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: no, I'm referring to the way that distilled water nonetheless contains dissolved water < 1306437010 972996 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1306437011 373276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: some of the water molecules split into H+ and OH- ions < 1306437015 576947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being pure, it couldn't contain dissolved anything else, right? < 1306437017 643533 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fairly revealing < 1306437039 366954 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in typical distilled water, what's the percentage of water ions to all ions? < 1306437053 775992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no such thing as a water ion. < 1306437065 873785 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ions that come from water dissolving in water. < 1306437074 474584 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can it least get it pure enough that the water ions dominate, or this wouldn't be much of a subject < 1306437079 354317 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a shorthand < 1306437088 591625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^-7 l/mol is the concentration. < 1306437108 968057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he's a german and i'm norwegian, we're predisposed to making up new words < 1306437109 248415 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :concentration in the solution, ok < 1306437133 356993 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you take the mass of all ions in distilled water, and call that 100%, then what part of that is the ions that come from water? < 1306437141 783490 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306437142 216414 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what part is impurities? < 1306437146 458856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("what do you mean it's not a word, i just made it up") < 1306437157 900274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (10^-7 * 18)/1000 < 1306437158 511456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `^-' < 1306437162 533538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: all of them come from ions < 1306437164 28349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (10^(-7) * 18)/1000 < 1306437164 510488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from water < 1306437164 630302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Negative exponent < 1306437168 265004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's pure by definition < 1306437170 486109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1306437174 86845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (10**(-7) * 18)/1000 < 1306437174 674343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they couldn't come from anywhere else < 1306437174 755475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.8e-9 < 1306437179 100075 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i mean in the real world, not on paper. < 1306437181 984333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__, there's your percentage. < 1306437206 434162 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hence i asked about "typical" distilled water < 1306437215 977088 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, i think we're misunderstanding eachother < 1306437246 320482 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number you posted is just the percentage of the mass of ions in the complete mass of the solution, yes? < 1306437248 454906 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|at < 1306437251 655805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306437258 651783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1306437261 667639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: you mean water that isn't completely pure, but is more pure than tap water? < 1306437272 261586 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the percentage of the mass of impurities in the mass of all ions. < 1306437291 868552 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i mean the kind of stuff i get when i buy "distilled water" in a chemist's shop. < 1306437314 132350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: I wouldn't know offhand, and it would probably depend on the chemist < 1306437323 520481 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet < 1306437355 655045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could ask "how much can you purify water before the process does not improve" < 1306437367 362156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in which case it would depend on the process < 1306437369 10191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might actually depend on technological progress... < 1306437432 239937 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the future you can do it much better, but you have to shoot individual ions into a hard vacuum to do it... < 1306437445 201688 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but that's not going to accurately reflect the typicality of that process in the production of distilled water. < 1306437451 574733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, cheater__, can you talk about nothing without trolling? < 1306437463 722845 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1306437492 573012 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "CG: DO I GET ON YOUR CASE FOR ALL THE TERRIBLE HUMANNING YOU DO?" < 1306437495 6873 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: well the point is what process is typical depends on what is available < 1306437509 807480 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, yes < 1306437522 949466 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's "poster title that caught the eye" entry: "Horror Video Scene Recognition via Multiple-Instance Learning" < 1306437531 476012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say in five years they discover a much better process based on sieving through graphene, or something < 1306437537 877541 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Along with the ever-growing Web comes the proliferation of objectionable content, such as pornography, violence, horror information, etc. Horror videos, whose threat to children’s health is no less than pornographic video, are sometimes neglected by existing Web filtering tools. Consequently, an effective horror video filtering tool is necessary for preventing children from accessing these harmful horror videos." < 1306437548 551612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the abstract.) < 1306437565 206997 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't go to stileproject < 1306437565 854969 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Could they be any more political about it? < 1306437585 735472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes < 1306437604 8729 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought these types of papers were usually all academic about it and pretended to be oblivious of the real-world applications. :p < 1306437605 111414 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this reminds me of this one quote that said you shouldn't be writing your programs as well as you can, only relatively well < 1306437612 609884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that "no less" doesn't actually imply that either value is actually large < 1306437614 354578 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to debug them you need more skill than to write them < 1306437614 967646 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Authors: Jianchao Wang, Bing Li, Weiming Hu, Ou Wu, National Laboratory of Pattern Recognition / Institute of Automation / Chinese Academy of Sciences, China < 1306437632 417453 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they know about filtering content in China. < 1306437691 134791 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how an "academy of sciences" proliferates information hampering, whereas science stands for information propagation. < 1306437714 276412 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the Ministry of Truth. < 1306437769 243769 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on "color emotion and color harmony theories". < 1306437805 906789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is possibly the one context those phrases could be used without immediately discrediting the paper they're in. < 1306437995 449799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the "no immediately obvious applications" front, there was a rather nice talk about parametrizing "audio textures" (natural-ish sounds like rain, wind, fire, applause, etc., that are in some sense stationary), and then synthesizing "equivalent" new sounds. It did sound quite nice. < 1306438022 188917 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1306438028 762674 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :please link me up to the relevant paper and demos < 1306438036 729930 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 100% interested in this < 1306438038 91328 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had invented a soundtrack classification application for it, but it really didn't work all that well, and the whole task felt quite forced. < 1306438094 940075 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The synthesis paper is "Sound texture synthesis via filter statistics", Proc IEEE WASPAA, 2009. Googling for the title finds the paper, and also a project that cites it. < 1306438106 944681 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cornell.edu/projects/sound/fire/ < 1306438115 566936 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coming soon: source code for .. audio texture synthesis". < 1306438129 379573 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resynthesizer... for SOUND. < 1306438131 562072 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be cool. < 1306438151 816846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might use the same thing; the paper for the fire thing is 11M so I haven't bothered to load it over this slow net. < 1306438167 26478 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they cite the texture-synthesis page. < 1306438177 196650 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you try and stretch out a terrible pop song. < 1306438181 888204 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I produce the next big hit in this manner. < 1306438211 410430 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about synthesizing fire sounds that are synchronized with a physical fire simulation video thing. < 1306438234 656048 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where are the demos? < 1306438244 535520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess they know about filtering content in China. <-- i briefly had the approximate thought process here: "hm, they're wanting to censor _both_ violence _and_ sex? hm that fits neither with americans nor europeans. oh right, chinese." < 1306438261 181783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link has some videos of the fire thing. < 1306438270 186008 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1306438277 141134 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other demos that you have heard? < 1306438280 571764 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306438280 740814 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the US censored violence, our culture might... < 1306438285 577583 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be less screwed up. < 1306438291 301431 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1306438301 126386 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, on the front of sound resynthesis i think hartmann neuron is very interesting. < 1306438316 86899 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, Ted Kaczynski has some interesting views on that. < 1306438325 247911 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you actually just say that < 1306438325 958906 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1306438339 7593 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The talk contained examples of rain, fire, applause, stream, bubbles, insects and wind; but I don't know where (or if) those would be in the interwebs. < 1306438352 898082 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, say what? < 1306438353 588248 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306438360 835698 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i was talking to cheater__. you may have him on ignore. < 1306438391 515902 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mentally filtering him out. Does that count? < 1306438395 135015 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ICASSP didn't do the "include multimedia files in your submission" system, so the proceedings memory stick just has the papers. < 1306438398 616091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, no. < 1306438399 167683 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes. < 1306438399 830048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hey it was a pretty funny comment i say < 1306438422 857809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK my breath is fogging up. < 1306438427 757956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In late May. < 1306438429 407893 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ha ha Scotland. < 1306438430 614253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indoors. < 1306438433 501249 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /msg < 1306438649 29299 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was the talk for the paper you told me to google or for something else? < 1306438701 381305 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: It was for a newer paper, but that was just taking the same parametrization they used for synthesis and applying that for soundtrack classification, possibly not as interesting. < 1306438711 36031 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: But I did find the texture synthesis sound samples: http://www.cns.nyu.edu/~jhm/texture_examples/ < 1306438727 704607 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :splendid! thanks < 1306438770 528922 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306438878 838938 :CakeProphet!~adam@h75.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306438878 920859 :CakeProphet!~adam@h75.36.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306438878 921011 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306439080 794253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306439088 754536 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-232-34.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306439199 115682 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just downloaded the demos, listening now.. < 1306439272 367665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:00:45 Lymia: Yes, but no browser complains on unexpected certificate changes. < 1306439287 556995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although putty does < 1306439307 241403 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SSH clients in general; I mention SSH host key checking later on. < 1306439359 987126 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one person who refuses to SSH into systems without first acquiring the host key through some trustworthy means; everyone else seems to just trust their luck on the first connection attempt. < 1306439418 414190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306439486 641792 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the configuration, OpenSSH may be obstinate enough to completely refuse to connect until you manually edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the offending key. < 1306439567 443291 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know one person who refuses to SSH into systems without first acquiring the host key through some trustworthy means; everyone else seems to just trust their luck on the first connection attempt. < 1306439568 964447 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know vorpal too < 1306439572 541925 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306439576 118318 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; then I know two. < 1306439620 164959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote And if they wanted to go for "true" security, they'd just do "Warning: your computer has not been turned into a plasma. This may cause some of your personal data to be stolen. Click here to turn your computer into a ball of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace." < 1306439621 809043 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are the marginals? < 1306439623 841430 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​429) And if they wanted to go for "true" security, they'd just do "Warning: your computer has not been turned into a plasma. This may cause some of your personal data to be stolen. Click here to turn your computer into a ball of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace." < 1306439660 813678 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]miasma of incandescent plasma < 1306439727 853465 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306439792 231712 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: The parameters they use are based on a cochlea-simulating filterbank; the "marginals" (IIRC) were simple time-average statistics (mean, variance, kurtosis) over the marginal distributions (in practice, histograms) of the amplitudes of each filterbank signal. < 1306439867 215146 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306439869 619005 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "full set" included something like cross-correlations between low-pass envelopes of those signals. < 1306439915 284392 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he had some statistics where they just used the spectrum (well, spectrogram) to synthesize things, purely to show that the spectral shape is not enough to capture the texture. < 1306439922 377596 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/statistics/samples/ < 1306439930 958150 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "spectrum" examples might be those. < 1306439978 685163 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't listened to the ones on the page, the multimedia didn't work out right (it never does) and then I lost interest before actually downloading them. < 1306440007 240853 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are statistics "over marginal distributions"? < 1306440056 780002 :CakeProphet!~adam@h104.2.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306440056 861659 :CakeProphet!~adam@h104.2.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306440056 861802 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306440080 630310 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"amplitudes of each filterbank signal" - do you mean "amplitudes of each filterbank band"? < 1306440092 117798 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Output signal. < 1306440151 791373 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306440172 97528 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are these "marginal distributions"? < 1306440223 466352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know one person who refuses to SSH into systems without first acquiring the host key through some trustworthy means; everyone else seems to just trust their luck on the first connection attempt. <-- I can't fathom why most people don't bother with it < 1306440256 353544 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow I was even joking. < 1306440300 727166 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: In this case I'd say it refers to just taking the amplitude histogram of the signal. I mean, that's a bit like a marginal distribution p(amplitude) if you consider the sample as the joint distribution p(time, amplitude). < 1306440311 927211 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i just did this to download: 1. wget the index file 2. do this: cat texture_examples3.html | sed -e "s/.*\"\(.*wav\)\".*/\1/" | grep wav | while read i; do wget "http://www.cns.nyu.edu/~jhm/texture_examples/$i" & done < 1306440323 743767 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet this sed/grep could be optimized but i suck at sed. < 1306440326 915975 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wait, you were joking that I would verify host key? Of course I do! < 1306440342 557413 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if wget has a "fetch embeds" recursion mode. < 1306440361 162284 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are marginal and joint distributions? < 1306440364 705023 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This shit up: you can't make it. < 1306440402 406341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, however, when trusted channel for it is hard to come by I might settle for some other sort of independent channel to verify it by. < 1306440433 33395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh it combines those. i guess also the binary thing is a bit of a tarpitisation. < 1306440436 509270 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, such as /dev/urandom ? < 1306440437 528748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, this means I will accept verifying it in a discussion over IRC, though I'd prefer a more secure mean. < 1306440442 20401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' isn't necessarily binary < 1306440451 25557 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this shit up. < 1306440454 989735 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: make it. < 1306440456 394232 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can't. < 1306440468 738557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i thought initially < 1306440470 194283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wget can fetch embedded images in html yes < 1306440492 780667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why would it combine the two commands < 1306440500 50040 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he meant media mentioned in tags. < 1306440501 425558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it were binary, why would it combine them :\ < 1306440504 51044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Depending on the configuration, OpenSSH may be obstinate enough to completely refuse to connect until you manually edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the offending key. <-- that is the default config afaik < 1306440522 266317 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's what i've found it to be < 1306440543 773524 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit annoying for some hosts. < 1306440559 501737 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Could be. I do know that HashKnownHosts officially defaults (or at least did) to 'no', but some distributions make it 'yes'. < 1306440575 53841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the prize for implementing the interpreter and Pong game? —ehird 19:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC) < 1306440575 207482 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ubuntu does < 1306440575 384003 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, no finally defined, but I think it will be free (ad-free) webspace. --80.139.110.66 19:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC) < 1306440576 901932 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaahahahahaa < 1306440586 465151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here I was thinking it'd be something of value < 1306440597 792289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually I think that depends on which sort of match it is. If it is a non-perfect match it will allow you to go on. As in, the host is not found in the config, but the ip of that host is found in it, with a different key < 1306440603 296425 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store the complete knowledge of humanity on said webspace < 1306440617 967751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the host name is found with a different key, it won't allow you to continue < 1306440619 740039 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306440622 90720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc something like that < 1306440622 364048 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-225-216.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306440654 820101 :Lymia!~moe@123.120.134.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306440654 902110 :Lymia!~moe@123.120.134.215 QUIT :Changing host < 1306440654 902284 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306440669 109616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for HashKnownHosts that is somewhat different from the question of allowing connection on host key mismatch < 1306440672 233375 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to win $300, there's a logo contest on some new IEEE Signal Processing Society conference they advertised at the start of the day today. (Though I don't think they're going to accept anything too... esoteric, or #esoteric.) < 1306440681 803210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashKnownHosts simply hashes the host part in the config < 1306440696 453026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone can't check ~/.ssh/known_hosts to find out all systems you have access to < 1306440697 534861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of sane person distributes an animation as a GIF? < 1306440705 11105 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hussie? < 1306440707 784973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A large, detailed one, at least. < 1306440716 322761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about stuff like http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/engulf_640x480.gif < 1306440721 539392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh, that is quite common on wikipedia, though for short ones. Like showing how a motor works < 1306440733 550525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would take far, far less time to load if you just stuck it on YouTube. < 1306440763 855973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that image doesn't take long to load. Just about 3 seconds < 1306440776 153960 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish browsers would delay showing animated GIFs until they load completely. < 1306440776 235918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: If you fall into a black hole, you will die. You will not go through a wormhole to another time and place." < 1306440780 347449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best warning. < 1306440787 865418 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i assume P'' was meant to be minimalized. i also read that the author later defined and used combined commands that were identical to the brainfuck ones < 1306440808 296874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, good idea < 1306440808 651776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought P'' was meant to prove you can have loops < 1306440819 373046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why show you can have structured computation and then fucking obfuscate it < 1306440819 920079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306440826 306431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, or at least until there was a buffer loaded < 1306440846 806683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can have/only need to have/ < 1306440867 148949 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ieee-espa.org/LogoContest.asp < 1306440901 433370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here are the conference parameters:" < 1306440905 2504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice way to put it < 1306440919 626904 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly emphasized the "for practicing engineers" part. < 1306440928 98521 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're doing talks without papers and all. < 1306440932 454353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also Industry with capital I < 1306440937 580068 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's been co-located with CES. < 1306440937 850912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy shit < 1306440942 524266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, CES? < 1306440948 169098 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consumer Electronics Show. < 1306440950 777486 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some-such. < 1306440952 63775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306441016 731418 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :practical assholes < 1306441025 728541 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Microsoft Research guy doing today's plenary talk; quite a lot of Kinect advertisement included. < 1306441035 233660 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're releasing their own non-commercial SDK for it soon. < 1306441054 54126 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He mentioned that the open-source driver lacks the funky microphone array DSP stuff they have. < 1306441062 95857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the point? Others already done all the job < 1306441065 175111 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do people use it for perverted purposes? < 1306441079 735183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, eh? < 1306441085 284099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well the obfuscation isn't on the loop commands < 1306441090 278129 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bets are open. < 1306441104 578929 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, there was one point right there. < 1306441120 695951 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Surely it has already happened. < 1306441123 461151 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how long until people start using the Kinect for less than work safe purposes. < 1306441124 673492 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also as I understood it it lacked something else too than just the mic-array stuff. < 1306441125 447432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I wrote it before you entered your line. Had quite a lag spike there. Weird. < 1306441146 345874 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: http://kinecthacks.net/kinect-sex/ + < 1306441151 316470 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\+/?/ < 1306441156 169864 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1306441158 840592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, are you invoking rule 34 on it? < 1306441176 192241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck: based on breakthrough research in structured programming" < 1306441179 580545 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1306441192 470265 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking how long until somebody does perverted things wiht it. < 1306441194 505403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306441194 620525 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :with* < 1306441205 821940 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft's also pushing out some sort of "Kinect Avatar" that does the whole virtual-reality chat stuff with facial expression and gesture tracking. < 1306441215 628848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you're saying that as if they haven't already < 1306441221 209084 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, right. < 1306441245 179101 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia: http://kinecthacks.net/kinect-sex/ + < 1306441250 118537 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worryingly quick response :P < 1306441253 598197 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also for the record: there was quite a lot of content in the talk that wasn't advertising their own stuff.) < 1306441279 187078 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It was right there in the google quick-linkery thing when I googled for "kinecthacks" -- couldn't remember the tld. < 1306441279 834169 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But well, NF is NOT a programming-language. It is an esoteric language which extends BF." < 1306441282 960742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is an idiot < 1306441298 575339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you should know that fizzie is good at finding stuff of all sorts. Everything from log graphing to finding weird things on google quickly < 1306441304 781959 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: suuure < 1306441305 197888 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. < 1306441308 981617 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hifive < 1306441311 72639 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1306441311 917474 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1306441313 110292 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1306441314 157094 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asterisk < 1306441316 127210 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306441358 445161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well that fit with Vorpal too < 1306441380 942347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All in all, NF is just a notation of a finite state machine," < 1306441388 424827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, err why did you change your hifive to target fizzie? < 1306441400 161658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not work with my definition of FSM. < 1306441410 767879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does it have a bounded tape? < 1306441414 361846 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i changed the suure < 1306441425 534670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, oh okay < 1306441430 589604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, it wasn't terribly clear < 1306441434 187106 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : "brainfuck: based on breakthrough research in structured programming" < 1306441443 579621 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cool i wanna touch virtual boobs < 1306441447 317059 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write a fake advertisement for that. < 1306441467 216890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you rarely get to put your hands completely inside a boob so that's even better? < 1306441492 804920 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The guy(tm) said it'll still be quite a while before haptics really take off, that it's the least understood area basically. So it'll be a while before the boob will touch you back. < 1306441534 340554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I bet if you asked fizzie about almost any googlable topic he would be able to find something about it very quickly. He might however not be interested in doing that I guess. < 1306441535 645508 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] So it'll be a while before the boob will touch you back. < 1306441537 298443 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​430) [...] So it'll be a while before the boob will touch you back. < 1306441545 665986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hey i was just about to! < 1306441546 711532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, come on. That was evil. < 1306441548 387485 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please find me some information on whole-hand boob immersion < 1306441550 699175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1306441568 714603 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just beat me because you didn't include the whole quote < 1306441571 396052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe i'll just buy a sex doll < 1306441578 677315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what haptics? Does kinect have that?! < 1306441593 43896 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, that's why it'll be a while. < 1306441618 70800 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the smell thing, it lacks that too. < 1306441622 935505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah. You said "least understood area" I thought you meant "least understood area of the kinect hardware" (from the point of view of open source drivers) < 1306441648 937317 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; no, it was in the sense of "least understood area of immersive(tm) communications(buzzword)". < 1306441691 490087 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The repetition of "immersive" was almost as bad as some other people are with "ubiquitous".) < 1306441710 727665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306441719 670628 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well immersing in immersive ubiquity is ubiquitous < 1306441868 642682 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did tell an amusing anecdote about attending some VRML conference (way back when that was relevant) at Stanford, where they had VRMLized the whole university; and when the guy demonstrating the thing navigated to the meeting room door, the speaker said he got a sudden feeling of dread that the (physical) door's going to open and a some sort of a huge eyeball is going to peek in, with all the people in the meeting room peering out from behind it. < 1306441946 900318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh :P < 1306442013 753378 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual reality ...? < 1306442026 615737 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody ping Sg_o < 1306442074 112288 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./esotope -f text -t minus -v < 1306442074 598325 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a path with 5 processors (weight=45): stream --(10)--> text --(10)--> brainfuck --(5)--> spoon --(10)--> minus --(10)--> buffer < 1306442077 675793 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1306442082 509563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ping him just to annoy you but then I looked at the context and realised the dire consequences that would have. < 1306442092 104708 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: You frighten me. < 1306442098 518186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you should get a doctor to look at your right eye < 1306442099 48406 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i would love to see an application of this resynthesis paper to data provided with BSS < 1306442109 719207 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ugh, really? < 1306442145 232763 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Cause that's that's clever and frightening, simultaneously. < 1306442154 159781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/realistic.html < 1306442155 24867 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now it is capable for parsing Text code (yes, a plain text) and translating it into Brainfuck, Spoon and finally Minus < 1306442180 338499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is rarely blown, but that has blown it. < 1306442190 655880 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Philippa_ < 1306442191 780795 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus does not directly implement a Brainfuck transformer since Spoon is a superset of it (with an additional exit command). < 1306442195 165734 :Philippa_!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1306442204 18894 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is just fine in esotope. yeah. < 1306442230 454528 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now gotta have some sleep.. < 1306442267 290278 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind being blown: ......... < 1306442271 892342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ ./esotope -f text -t minus -v <-- eh, what does that -f and -t mean? < 1306442282 804451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"from" and "to". < 1306442299 174068 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, from and to. < 1306442301 710049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean this is an automatic tool to find chains of esolang interpreters? < 1306442304 145747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1306442304 575840 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v for verbose, obviously. < 1306442320 681114 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is a unified architecture to support such thing < 1306442334 585547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, heh. Does it try to find the shortest or the longest one? < 1306442350 998069 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything has to be reimplemented (d'oh!) but once done it is quite powerful < 1306442357 184641 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shortest. < 1306442378 895823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what if you want to find the longest one without cycles? < 1306442386 854403 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the longest path would be infinite (due to cycles) < 1306442387 578400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quite tricky I imagine) < 1306442392 914091 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306442396 979394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, longest one without cycles I meant < 1306442403 839122 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that seems interesting, but for now no. < 1306442413 995200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306442462 201489 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306442466 459368 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also plan to add some optimization flag, so every processor has two kinds of weights; the complexity weight and optimization weight. < 1306442515 803844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, heh < 1306442543 648033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so you don't look for shortest path in number of languages you pass through, but best path? < 1306442547 254720 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the driver will find the path with the minimal sum of complexity AND the maximal sum of optimization (which can be bounded by the option) < 1306442563 491716 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, yes. i'm still figuring out the details. < 1306442605 184012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, presumably it would be useful to have an option that goes for fewest number of languages as well < 1306442606 553358 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have lots of languages to implement (i think 20 is enough for architectural testing though). < 1306442620 63486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what language is esotope in? < 1306442639 105537 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not always, since some transformation is trivial (e.g. Ook and BF) < 1306442641 604113 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml. < 1306442647 988034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and couldn't it call out to external interpreters possibly? < 1306442676 500142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, why ocaml? < 1306442680 346692 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet, but definitely in the plan. < 1306442708 130683 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the prime reason is that i wanted to learn Ocaml in a hard way... < 1306442713 294856 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. trial and error) < 1306442737 483890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is there any other way? < 1306442739 370882 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other reasons include i can mix the imperative and functional programming styles < 1306442754 444058 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though many told me that Haskell will do ;) < 1306442757 489269 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's compilers < 1306442758 764424 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not interpreters < 1306442765 297105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiiich is not a major consideration of language choice. < 1306442773 280307 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh shut up he can use whatever language he likes < 1306442776 4297 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as it's haskell) < 1306442780 283981 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306442786 225410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can do imperative and functional programming styles in just about any language younger than 50. < 1306442794 486971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hey, you let me write gravity.lisp in CL. < 1306442796 79794 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some more sanely than others) < 1306442808 996713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, ah compilers only? So you won't ever be able to do befunge98 then, unless you "compile" to a bundled interpreter < 1306442827 343966 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it includes both the interpreter and compiler (i.e. transformer). < 1306442838 662256 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-247-254.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306442847 164580 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is simply a transformer that gives nothing (or, in Haskell, IO ()). < 1306442876 160378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306442956 923254 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time later, esotope will have (for example) brainfuck-optimized kind which represents an optimized Brainfuck code, which can be used to generate an efficient C code (as the current esotope-bfc does)ff < 1306442973 889239 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for now i'm going to keep implementing important languages < 1306442981 435843 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the transformers for them < 1306443058 882593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm compiling from a language which has a self-interpreter gives an interpreter automatically < 1306443141 394147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if B has an interpreter for A, and you compile B to C, then you get an interpreter for A in C < 1306443173 137954 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why i didn't implemented an interpreter for Ook!. < 1306443177 473153 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement* < 1306443179 229915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about a self-compiler, err wait that would be damn useless. never mind < 1306443194 199681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :D < 1306443237 55644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically for interpreters there are up to two languages involved, while for compilers there are three < 1306443237 569333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the only case where a self-compiler could be useful would be if it was optimising. Like say one for bf that turned ++- into + < 1306443256 123290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306443326 980646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm *tries to imagine some way to run programs that involve more than three languages* < 1306443435 418047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well when bootstrapping a language compiler, you might write the compiler for B in A, compiling into C (the last one literally) < 1306443461 293759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is three so far < 1306443463 189744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no D < 1306443471 343940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said _more_ than three < 1306443476 243534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306443483 450123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no success so far < 1306443511 251867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, three is easy. Just imagine a bf->C compiler written in something else than bf or C < 1306443511 721272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously there are cases where one stage contains more than one language, but that may not count... < 1306443520 259360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... < 1306443538 649246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, you mean like the language that is mostly not Murphy? < 1306443539 40125 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like web stuff, you have both client and server languages < 1306443546 488834 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what is that < 1306443553 661932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the first part of it < 1306443557 958521 :comex_!~comex@comex.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306443559 196223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that cpressy made < 1306443563 408956 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306443570 605364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ozzlybob or something iirc? < 1306443574 817254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306443592 943893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is another pair of esolangs, one of which is Portia < 1306443598 653712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well it said that most parts of the language was the thing on O, the rest of it was however Murphy :P < 1306443611 746845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306443646 241494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it's not called Oolzybub is called Murphy < 1306443646 361550 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :portia is supposed to go with 2iota right? < 1306443648 147456 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise < 1306443652 464968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or beta-juliet < 1306443658 115614 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Beta-Juliet_and_Portia < 1306443659 469755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once of those car languages < 1306443681 254697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Oozlybub_and_Murphy < 1306443688 870013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1306443694 325559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it says preprocessor < 1306443702 860218 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't preprocessor another compiling step < 1306443730 951121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah that's why i'm asking if splitting stages counts < 1306443758 883411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, like CPP takes C source from C to C-preprocessed which a C compiler (as it is confusingly named, should be called a C-preprocessed-compiler!) then compiles to asm, which the assembler then compiles to an object file. And lets not discuss the linker. < 1306443759 12350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although web stuff with client/server split feels more relevant < 1306443766 32853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes kind of < 1306443799 113000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about that supercompilation stuff i've sometimes seen mentioned here < 1306443815 138053 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that may be mainly one language applying to itself < 1306443838 596303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't supercompilation simply a way to optimize by brute forcing ways to compile an expression to < 1306443854 346363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like testing all ways you could possibly zero out a register to find the shortest one or whatever < 1306443860 659929 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1306443876 936582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I heard supercompilation used to describe that however. Hm < 1306443882 753289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall anything about "brute forcing", i'm unclear about it but i thought it was related to partial evaluation < 1306443897 660740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is super-compilation then < 1306443924 856766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specialisation. < 1306443925 221009 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think elliott_ may be who mentioned it previously < 1306443947 195261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, hm that is still three languages at most right? < 1306443953 398317 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1306443959 301708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306443976 68047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in compilation, you have three languages involved in a single stage < 1306444003 719899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which cannot be logically split up without some part having the same property, i think < 1306444015 616875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1306444123 679055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A compiles B to C, then you can split it by compiling the compiler from A to C first, then running the resulting C program to compile from B to C < 1306444194 932379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not quite clear that there are intrinsically units involving more that 2 languages < 1306444209 267109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could do that, but then you need a new compiler that compiles from A to C. Involving an extra software < 1306444242 124335 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1306444246 502261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you mention hand compilation I would argue that counts as a "software" in this context < 1306444335 818583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit neat to think that the entire compiler/interpreter infrastructure we have today all builds necessarily on an ancient, forgotten layer of hand compilation < 1306444355 794516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe someone still does it occasionally for fun < 1306444370 458274 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for efficiency < 1306444470 135875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I would say it is a form of hand compilation when turning pseudo-code into < 1306444478 241112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hand bootstrapping doesn't need to be done particularly efficiently either. like that inefficient "unregistered C" target for ghc, which is just to get an initial port < 1306444507 606348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why do you need unregistered C for ghc at all. Why not simply cross compile full blown ghc < 1306444508 995178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm yeah. and on the other side even assembly is not machine code < 1306444528 313086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh. current ghc does not support cross compilation. < 1306444538 676653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, people started out writing machine code before they invented asm < 1306444541 964984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah why < 1306444573 515111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new upcoming code generator is supposed to though (i saw something to the effect that it always essentially cross compiles) < 1306444611 827051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm, you could say that when turning your idea of what you want to do into code in any programming language, you are hand-compiling your thoughts to said language. < 1306444633 858312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: although it might still be nice to have easy port version to be able to get things started before you have a full implementation of all the target architecture's quirks < 1306444640 813605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what new upcomming code generator? < 1306444642 659485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easily ported < 1306444662 331979 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i've seen it mentioned, they're completely rewriting that part < 1306444669 584492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in ghc) < 1306444694 955121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the old one was getting so full of cruft that they had trouble adding new things to it < 1306444791 373776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Compiler/NewCodeGen < 1306444813 862199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, neat. I had a pencil lying on a shelf. (Yes my desk and the nearby area is quite messy.) I bumped the desk with my foot by mistake. This caused the pen to fall off. It landed right way up in the pencil jar (is that the right English word?) right below. < 1306444829 220064 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306444850 843818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that "new" code gen has been the "current" code gen for a while now < 1306444853 290635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm the unregistered C one uses the evil mangler? Or is that some other one? < 1306444870 15472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306444876 71114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, see the current status report section < 1306444924 928476 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: meh! < 1306444927 693178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the evil mangler is used by the _registered_ C backend < 1306444933 293443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh < 1306444945 387693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why the name "(un)registered"? < 1306444953 215194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unregistered avoids those tricks to be completely portable, at the cost of efficiency < 1306444973 237430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not attempt to control which machine registers are used for things < 1306444980 321870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does the unregistered one do gc? < 1306445004 225963 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler, i assume? < 1306445006 368661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does it allocate a large array to use as backend for gced stuff? < 1306445012 350106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that is really the only portable way < 1306445015 614370 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know such details :) < 1306445061 851363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't know _how_ portable it is < 1306445079 107337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it doesn't depend on that many deep gcc specialties < 1306445155 742620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306445214 999422 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306445219 287272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and architecture dependent details < 1306445315 51030 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fvia-c is deprecated < 1306445316 7770 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1306445321 186441 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. registered C builds < 1306445323 794198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the mangler is deprecated too < 1306445339 226071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueBottle works just fine in VMware Player :/ < 1306445350 55166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but the mangler is fun. Since it is evil. < 1306445510 58918 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil mangler? < 1306445520 779963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306445561 417244 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this respect, the A2 System GUI surpasses many existing windowing implementations. Windows can moved, rescaled etc. while the programs "behind" the windows kep running." < 1306445564 851668 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds old < 1306445579 980052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh seems it is completely gone < 1306445586 712192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it's a perl script which ghc -fvia-c runs on the assembly produced by gcc, mangling it < 1306445593 622798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, check this historical version of the page for more info http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/EvilMangler?version=2 < 1306445594 540658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's also the Satanic Splitter < 1306445597 419263 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does? < 1306445637 341005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh? link? < 1306445696 372840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember *exactly* what it does, but something like splitting assembly sources into several files to allow the linker to make smaller programs < 1306445707 355786 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil mangler, eh? < 1306445718 213288 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that evil! < 1306445723 914616 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think it also ensures proper tail calls < 1306445792 900594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be bothered doing more than googling, but there is this: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2005-February/008006.html < 1306445866 524762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't think the mangler is what splits object files, at least that isn't its main purpose, see that link by Vorpal < 1306445881 503458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the satanic splitter, not the evil mangler < 1306445909 47353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, confirmed: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building/Porting#Thesplitter < 1306445921 206477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh right < 1306445930 389641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHC no longer has an evil mangler." < 1306445940 409729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I said that < 1306445958 519366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the splitter is still there: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/browser/driver/split/ghc-split.lprl < 1306445979 961192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm having trouble getting all the irc conversation _and_ checking out your links at the same time :P < 1306445984 837523 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's because the registered C backend is deprecated :P < 1306446009 323707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you are too slow < 1306446015 189029 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1306446029 582993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, overclock yourself (first ensure proper cooling) < 1306446053 732766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately overclocking has severe side effects on me. < 1306446065 612705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the Oerjan Enhanced Speedstep Technology has kicked in already < 1306446132 628919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah but i didn't know it was deprecated to the point they had stopped keeping it working efficiently... < 1306446151 659866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the evil mangler file is gone even < 1306446157 815609 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They started doing that because the LLVM backend performs better in all cases, IIRC. < 1306446159 950372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1306446163 788717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ah. < 1306446168 298402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1306446215 58053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think NFA = FNFA with any amount of dimensions < 1306446234 90722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1306446257 385873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've spent hundreds of hours trying to solve that, so yes :P < 1306446294 794825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a proper counterexample would of course have been good too < 1306446306 93074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Compiler/Backends/LLVM/WIP : what *is* this elsusive STG register in haskell? < 1306446309 603824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows? < 1306446312 609304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at elliott_  < 1306446324 516428 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1306446328 446894 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although it didn't take me long to convince myself 100% that they are equal in n-D < 1306446330 859917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stg is for spineless tagless g-machine < 1306446339 659708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err, what < 1306446345 593989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, joke right? < 1306446363 272146 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language like Haskell cannot exist without nasty dirty hack under it's skin. < 1306446364 852655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this means i probably cannot sleep tonight. < 1306446374 749152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or did what you say actually mean something? < 1306446377 869813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. well it may contain a pun, but it's the intermediate representation stage between core and c-- < 1306446398 619044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah, so what is the STG register for, and why is it pinned to a machine register < 1306446409 206766 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: why not < 1306446414 584815 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq is dirty-hack free :P < 1306446422 242308 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306446439 294097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wait a second. coq is written in ocaml. ocaml is not dirty-hack free < 1306446446 330150 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if my solution is correct, this is bigger than P != NP for the picture-walking automata people! (that is, me and maybe that one japanese guy although he's probably dead already.) < 1306446456 120244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think there is more than one, it's the registers that result from something in the stg representation i assume < 1306446468 250313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1306446479 795183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stg running model presumably requires them to be at a known place < 1306446494 140309 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory on stg is too vague < 1306446515 188430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that representation is old i think, perhaps from the 80s < 1306446523 188571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ghc has modified it < 1306446564 49757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they added tags back to pointers at one stage for efficiency, iirc) < 1306446583 533058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it may not actually fit its name any longer :D < 1306446610 879422 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(argh, i knew i'd find a problem with the solution the second i announce it) < 1306446641 14303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah yes. a known problem. < 1306446697 837249 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is it big < 1306446700 243853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually when that happened for the 2-D problem, i managed to solve the problem the same day anyway. so i still have hope. < 1306446738 446535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not at all big. the 2d question was left open in at least 2 articles and a book, but the n-dimensional case has only been asked by me. < 1306446741 856192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: happened to me with that wrong >= 2d proof for topological measures i mentioned yesterday. < 1306446751 91502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you solved it? < 1306446763 572187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you mean you announced it before realizing < 1306446769 379751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it fell through when i was explaining it on the blackboard < 1306446775 917125 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1306446797 205270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1306446802 327539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking i had already announced it, sort of (i SMS'ed "Eureka" to my collaborator) < 1306446871 891876 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nerd :D < 1306446878 126045 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose "dork" is more appropriate < 1306446887 296958 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you wouldn't understand < 1306446921 833852 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I meant the "Eureka" < 1306446934 82386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right < 1306446934 846341 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1306446938 49256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "spineless" iirc is for how that representation did away with having an internal representation of the reduction graph for functional languages, using stack arguments instead. < 1306446948 634350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306446976 444462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh if the solution doesn't work, then i now have three proofs for the 2d case but none for the general case < 1306447044 625819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think the most useless multiclassing in nwn. < 1306447046 728849 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one more than two. < 1306447069 378758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tagless" iirc is for how it used return destination to branch directly to the code that wanted the result, instead of allocating constructors that might never be used since the destination might just pick them apart < 1306447071 124994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly multiclassing sorcerer and wizard? That one must come close at least < 1306447122 714725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah nice < 1306447140 327974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is this like optimising a tuple into an unboxed tuple? < 1306447166 40952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, except it works for data types with more than one constructor, such as Just x vs. Nothing < 1306447184 316893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it also works < 1306447191 167319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, nifty. But this would only work within a single module surely? < 1306447195 201924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not across modules < 1306447234 345375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the return address would be in a known spot on the stack or in a table pointed to from the stack, i think < 1306447265 344189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making that work across modules _might_ be a reason for pinning those registers < 1306447272 826810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306447286 177073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everything slow suddenly < 1306447303 63364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I'm swap trashing for no obvious reason < 1306447501 242375 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: nerd :D <-- ARE YOU CALLING ARCHIMEDES A NERD? < 1306447506 820390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ git clone http://darcs.haskell.org/ghc.git/ <-- wait what, 1) ghc went git!? 2) why call it darcs.haskell.org if it isn't darcs? < 1306447513 154927 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He was Greek :P < 1306447523 211132 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (one) Alas, yes. (I didn't realise they had finished transitioning though.) < 1306447528 190502 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (two) It's a separate server. < 1306447547 61167 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No point in fiddling with DNS, since they still host a lot of darcs repos too. < 1306447553 144425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1306447566 485775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, sad, darcs was better than git < 1306447576 89113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: He was Greek :P < 1306447576 737022 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With foresight, it would have probably been named repo.haskell.org. :p < 1306447581 628169 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fairness, GHC is huge, and darcs was quite slow for them. < 1306447582 793278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, indeed < 1306447586 592286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306447588 692863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, really? < 1306447592 147494 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i guess i didn't do it properly, i should have ran naked in the streets as well < 1306447592 349574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Greeks were the ultimate nerds. < 1306447594 670168 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Really what? < 1306447597 650279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*run < 1306447600 382015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, really it being slow < 1306447604 672639 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, this was definitely something you should have done. < 1306447605 204558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They invented steam engines and just saw them as a cool toy. < 1306447607 875326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic nerd. < 1306447608 428380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, darcs never came across as slow to me < 1306447611 442938 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: darcs has known efficiency issues for large projects /shrug < 1306447616 109864 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs one was absolutely glacial. < 1306447618 728494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs two is faster, buuut. < 1306447632 689375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but what < 1306447663 407844 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, can't get fooled again". < 1306447687 478414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306447707 984676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, not all docs are updated to saying they use git however. Some still suggest darcs. < 1306447711 134784 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army." < 1306447719 908776 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Found when Googling to make sure I had the Bush quote right; http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush.) < 1306447748 746558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, our army is just an excuse for not having one really < 1306447767 835964 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have a fairly good army, but just not use it for anything? :p < 1306447790 430442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, we used to have that. But budget cuts has been going on for well over 15 years now, so not much left. < 1306447808 728759 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-232-99.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1306447815 503605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: mind you the ghc guys refused to change to Darcs 2 format (or something like that) because it didn't work with something they used to do, thus not using some of darcs's later improvements, i think. < 1306447822 926726 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, hey, at least you're cutting from the military. That's something America hasn't quite figured out how to do yet. < 1306447832 994708 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1306447833 588728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, :D < 1306447847 31486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did it work with git however? < 1306447863 910028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: presumably. < 1306447887 43860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it would be somewhat funny if it didn't < 1306447911 404497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might mean that ghc chose git over darcs because they insisted on using git workflow... < 1306447922 313612 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speculating here) < 1306447927 996450 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always had < 1306447959 843525 :CakeProphet!~adam@h139.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306447959 926479 :CakeProphet!~adam@h139.56.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306447959 926613 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306447996 2088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, rebase *shudder* < 1306448037 347928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Don't you have a fairly good army, but just not use it for anything? :p <-- i vaguely think that sweden, unlike norway, having a pretty good army at the start of ww2 was how that managed to _stay_ neutral then < 1306448059 284700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Found when Googling to make sure I had the Bush quote right; http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush.) <-- I glanced at that page and the stupidity ratio is utterly outstanding < 1306448079 738607 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how they < 1306448083 715638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-16.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306448087 26621 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306448121 458713 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Surely you've heard all the Bushisms by now. < 1306448129 994038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well... no we didn't have a good army at the start of ww2. However the politicians claimed we did and then did a mad rush to make it true. Meanwhile allowing the germans to transport troups through Sweden for the first few years of the war < 1306448138 688810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aha < 1306448161 625586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I know he is stupid yes. But I haven't heard all those quotes no. Quite a few yes. < 1306448196 72209 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recently learned from wikipedia that britain invaded iceland shortly after germany invaded norway and denmark. the icelanders protested, but not overly much < 1306448205 443431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh and we sold them iron ore too. Since they invaded you guys and thus controlled Narvik. < 1306448219 852540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "En svensk tiger", eh? ;D < 1306448221 289243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, really? that is news to me < 1306448225 695601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh that yeah < 1306448241 121523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, was that invented around then or after? < 1306448271 308168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they then passed control of iceland over to us troops. this was _before_ the us formally joined the war. < 1306448294 691681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um you should know, you're the swedish one. < 1306448311 140642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hey you are Norwegian and you told me you haven't seen Peer Gynt! < 1306448312 667358 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306448312 824339 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306448312 906283 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306448320 5856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, så kasta inte sten i glashus < 1306448329 618324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what that idiom would be in English) < 1306448349 468712 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literal translation would be "don't throw stones in houses made of glass") < 1306448366 815888 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same, basically. < 1306448368 486651 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" < 1306448374 870083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306448393 150691 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "the pot calling the kettle black" also fits the theme < 1306448418 32072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1306448428 304414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aren't they basically the same? < 1306448438 532544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is the difference in meaning between the two idioms < 1306448484 554016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, rebase *shudder* <-- i am not entirely sure, but it may be close to the thing ghc insisted on using < 1306448504 317200 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306448507 238622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, rebase is Modifying History. Which is Wrong. < 1306448522 105533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which means I hate the git workflow) < 1306448544 990700 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306448570 125629 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 9 2 < 1306448570 672756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1306448577 240034 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 8 2 < 1306448577 783014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1306448579 80293 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1306448604 116895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, shouldn't you use where instead of let, iirc you told me so some time ago? ;P < 1306448615 898098 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um not in this context, no < 1306448630 597701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, okay, for the purposes of learning idiomatic style, why is that? < 1306448640 228973 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cannot use where on an expression alone < 1306448642 537737 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is ghci, it's hardly idiomatic < 1306448644 875648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what oerjan said < 1306448645 177608 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x where x = 9 < 1306448645 782741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `where' < 1306448647 566993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh right < 1306448652 298558 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, i wrote the function first ;) < 1306448654 231573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um lambdabot isn't ghci < 1306448660 64193 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: close enough :) < 1306448664 892208 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same "workflow" < 1306448668 472968 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just vaguely similar to a few subcommands of ghci < 1306448680 279697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t thiswontwork < 1306448680 883091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `:' < 1306448683 565025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1306448687 199102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ghci < 1306448692 990697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t thiswontwork < 1306448693 563736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `thiswontwork' < 1306448704 663638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed. But > is not ghci < 1306448708 535497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my main point < 1306448711 863845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306448720 931530 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306448721 13798 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306448721 13929 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306448739 646720 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Variable occurs more often in a constraint than in the instance head < 1306448739 861367 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the constraint: Divisible n' d r < 1306448739 942433 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Use -XUndecidableInstances to permit this) < 1306448740 34524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1306448754 313207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to remember when to add > or @, and you still only get non-IO expressions, let, :t and :k < 1306448756 528922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, err, what does that mean < 1306448781 823498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is @ for in lambdabot? < 1306448790 830306 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sub n 0 = n; sub n m = sub (n-1) (m-1) in sub 9 2 < 1306448791 456870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1306448813 652866 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Sub a b r | a b -> r, a r -> b < 1306448813 830061 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Sub n Z n < 1306448813 911757 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub n m r) => Sub (S n) (S m) r < 1306448816 77847 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last instance fails :( < 1306448818 348475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um your definition above fails on divs 1 1 < 1306448825 407071 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ugh does it < 1306448830 463875 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i never use one < 1306448832 316837 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what mistake did i make < 1306448842 49540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1306448844 682844 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306448851 499171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 1 1 < 1306448852 51022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1306448854 475534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306448856 79495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1306448861 792194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 2 1 < 1306448862 457128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1306448865 154890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 1 2 < 1306448865 735838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1306448867 770850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1306448889 415962 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up, my main problem is this undecidable instance :) < 1306448891 74964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever order that is in, that is wrong (while 2 doesn't divide 1, 1 definitively divides 2) < 1306448907 53708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 8 8 < 1306448907 606501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1306448911 119388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 2 2 < 1306448911 713143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1306448913 592966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306448916 120921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: more seriously, it fails on divs 8 3 < 1306448921 413384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 2 3 < 1306448924 983092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1306448928 625788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaat < 1306448928 810025 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok ok ok but i need to fix this first < 1306448936 869188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 8 3 < 1306448940 455025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1306448940 813851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306448942 973131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1306448954 307771 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> wat language is dis < 1306448954 930648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `wat'Not in scope: `language'Not in scope: `is'Not in scope: ... < 1306448956 926557 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1306448963 84842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same as your 2 3, actually. leaky recursion base. < 1306448967 951716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1306448983 894465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 8 5 < 1306448985 72246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1306448991 207210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that one is new < 1306448993 471491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wai < 1306448993 924440 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1306448996 117634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it different or same? < 1306448997 946066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the add definition works < 1306448999 905144 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1306449056 107702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, haskell < 1306449062 233276 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah wtf... < 1306449066 894045 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need undecidable instances to do this < 1306449223 445679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i don't know why that claims it's got a greater context, maybe the functional dependencies are involved somehow? < 1306449238 402648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1306449244 479965 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, undecidabled up the wazoo < 1306449256 371960 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to fix that divisible algo :D < 1306449260 448667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, aren't they rewritten to type functions these days? < 1306449267 196155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does undecidable instances do? < 1306449277 695148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1306449355 152236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm i recall seeing Terminated before, although i don't recall if there's a difference with that mueval-core thing < 1306449364 687494 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are two different competing timeouts < 1306449432 541935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306449448 964727 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering, is having both a b -> r and a r -> b causing unbounded growth in itself < 1306449459 173699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it is repeatable: < 1306449462 928292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 8 3 < 1306449465 214263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1306449467 615123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let divs 1 _ = False; divs 0 _ = True; divs n d = divs (n-d) d in divs 8 3 < 1306449471 136844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1306449474 148550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1306449484 531971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, looks like two competing timeouts indeed < 1306449510 16559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw the 2 1 thing is equivalent to my first comment on 1 1, he doesn't handle d = 1 < 1306449561 24600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306449568 187767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think the mueval-core thing is newer, they may have restructured lambdabot at some point < 1306449605 263008 :ntides!~tidal@S0106c84c75c3cea7.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306449622 716216 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got FizzBuzz C code down to 87 bytes now I should try for mathematical shortcuts, I think < 1306449625 281083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm don't you usually write x divides y as x | y, rather than y | x < 1306449628 467420 :ntides!~tidal@S0106c84c75c3cea7.vc.shawcable.net PART :#esoteric < 1306449632 152898 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: does it work if you remove a r -> b ? < 1306449637 131375 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in which case elliott_ has the parameters backwards < 1306449649 540099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306449649 540262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which means 8 `divs` 3 will be all backwards < 1306449660 74189 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1306449661 987081 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1306449666 756788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he left < 1306449672 184802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's the same order as div and mod < 1306449680 862067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which aren't predicates) < 1306449687 274722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but | is usually written the other way around < 1306449720 870004 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1306449796 536242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw on some periodic table of Perl6 that the % operator is "iffy" which means it can be ! (logical not), but when I tried using !% operator it didn't work but it did say to use %% instead, so I did, and it worked < 1306449804 876593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "The famous poster for the propaganda campaign was created by Bertil Almqvist in 1941" < 1306449809 492125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"periodic table of Perl6"? < 1306449810 837332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(en svensk tiger) < 1306449815 350887 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306449816 727746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1306449824 288910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I googled it several minutes ago < 1306449829 180452 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes I found the Periodic Table of Perl6 Operators < 1306449844 56513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306449863 114694 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Table is quite old; maybe it hasn't been kept current? < 1306449864 306720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is categorized, similar to, but not quite like, the periodic table of elements. < 1306449890 544789 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe that is why it did that, then < 1306449930 629358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although at first when I read that on the table, I immediately thought that making % to be "iffy" is a good idea, and that it had other good ideas too from what I could see on that table < 1306449939 446199 :CakeProphet!~adam@h104.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306449939 565082 :CakeProphet!~adam@h104.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306449939 565219 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306450839 882955 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4140a.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306451890 916155 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1306452183 230633 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-27.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently non-Americans think root beer tastes like medicine. Personally, I wonder how they get good-tasting medicine. < 1306452226 214148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1306452233 894194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306452294 845325 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, EZ Tab Tylenol or whatever tastes great! < 1306452309 507920 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could have medicine flavoring without the medicine < 1306452331 528912 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-27.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are probably a freak. < 1306452353 595082 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't think I mean raw medicine < 1306452361 927918 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They add flavoring to medications I think < 1306452366 298816 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what I like < 1306452371 568432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I am a freak, so < 1306452372 356402 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-27.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are probably a freak. < 1306452390 87836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some medicine, anyway < 1306452398 112264 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, the taste of Wellbutrin was horrible < 1306452412 982294 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I tended to chew it despite it not supposed to be chewed < 1306452446 340625 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1306452450 487304 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with Ritalin. Oh wait, I didn't chew Wellbutrin, the taste was _too_ horrible < 1306452451 911952 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plural logic has never made sense until now < 1306452462 619172 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i know its because noone knows how to explain it properly except boolos himself < 1306452514 40484 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dosn't this apply to a lot of things? < 1306452541 697628 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes < 1306452553 453053 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even basic mathematics.... < 1306452573 637058 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that starts making sense once you get into Algebra, etc. < 1306452636 924737 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PART #esoteric :"I found 1 in /dev/zero" < 1306453666 246410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shortened FizzBuzz C code to 63 < 1306453756 472747 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I didn't do that. I shorted "google" to 63 < 1306453923 282927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FizzBuzz" is 86 < 1306454135 974084 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grats. < 1306454142 775945 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do it in Perl which you can actually golf worth shit. < 1306454383 132088 :CakeProphet!~adam@h177.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306454383 252768 :CakeProphet!~adam@h177.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306454383 252834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306454684 144676 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at Perl < 1306454863 97091 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306454863 178716 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306454863 178775 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306454942 136549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: If you can do it Perl, then *you* do it Perl. < 1306455019 802050 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306455058 50480 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306456404 509915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, arguably there are a few medicines that taste kind of nice. Generally I found people widely disagree on which ones taste nice < 1306456412 607992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why < 1306456469 930924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I hate anything flavoured with mint. Because I hate mint. Really hate that flavour. Which makes it a bit of a problem to find usable toothpaste. < 1306456802 690871 :h[a]gb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4140a.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1306458114 468166 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306458522 886199 :augur!~augur@c-76-100-253-217.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306458525 104930 :augur!~augur@c-76-100-253-217.hsd1.dc.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306458877 154712 :Maxdamantus!~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306459318 3144 :augur!~augur@c-76-100-253-217.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306460261 894791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia: If you can do it Perl, then *you* do it Perl. <-- why not do it in TeX? < 1306460530 265923 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306460665 74649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306461000 83033 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306461000 202040 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306461000 202193 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306461217 102409 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1306461226 295338 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-142.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306461334 218372 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-27.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1306462499 685362 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306462508 324283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: hm i recall seeing Terminated before, although i don't recall if there's a difference with that mueval-core thing < 1306462514 788610 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that terminated is every command < 1306462519 275175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mueval has its own timeout < 1306462522 926892 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every command can get Terminated < 1306462548 66871 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4140a.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306462646 328785 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude! < 1306463361 833645 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seeks out a Homestuck IRC channel < 1306463378 177453 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1306463476 219733 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306464268 64066 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b786a.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306464606 68638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-142.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306464606 272041 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306464648 160175 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b786a.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306464983 78909 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4fa85.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306465542 349913 :augur!~augur@c-76-100-253-217.hsd1.dc.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306465735 688693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. I did not realise the Harry Potter audiobooks were narrated by Stephen Fry. < 1306465779 470308 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306465846 51993 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306466116 110977 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4fa85.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1306466478 979855 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306466505 982569 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1306466506 64489 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-58-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1306466506 64642 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1306466886 469863 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1306466913 365943 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PART :#esoteric < 1306467372 502934 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. So, MusicBrainz seems to have changed how it handles multi-disc releases. < 1306467386 509400 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure how to get it to act in a manner I'd call "sane"... < 1306467386 591404 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306467454 836394 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, instead of the *slightly* hackish scheme of storing each disc as a seperate but related release, it stores them as a single release. Problem is, it then shares the track numbers over the whole thing. < 1306467461 244027 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSPA fans have made their own IM network < 1306467464 406441 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION faceplants < 1306467472 258713 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me, having per-disc track numbers makes sense. < 1306467505 761295 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *could* just tag shit myself, but I'd really rather not have to do that. < 1306467554 96045 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306467996 125842 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306468195 782252 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You could make a script to retag them given the track number of the start of each disc. < 1306468381 553182 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Picard didn't suck as much... < 1306468385 438221 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1306468401 48770 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. It just runs over IRC. < 1306468412 461992 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.mindfang.org #pesterchm < 1306468415 19691 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1306468417 970432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#pesterchum < 1306468654 962000 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well try ex falso for the script thing < 1306468660 110664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quod libet's python tagging library < 1306468858 51611 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how was my divisibility thing broken again? I forget < 1306468890 974418 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it failed to handle when the recursion never passed 0 or 1 < 1306468899 490412 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah, but dammit I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. < 1306468915 108104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when the second argument was 1, it gave the wrong result < 1306468961 720243 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never passed 0 or one? you mean when it went negative? < 1306468968 707246 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306468999 473973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, i'm doing peano numbers here so this is a pain < 1306469004 931849 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(means I need greater-than) < 1306469008 573562 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306469011 13351 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1306469040 835120 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1306469046 84158 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, my Sub will just fail I think < 1306469048 946357 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub n d n', Divisible n' d r) => Divisible n d r < 1306469052 42994 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually I guess I need it anyway < 1306469056 231694 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it definitively False < 1306469060 46462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1306469069 308684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you want a subtraction that tells you when the result is negative < 1306469073 985331 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y THERE NO VIDEO TAGGER < 1306469099 34372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Divisible a d r | a d -> r < 1306469099 133818 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Divisible Z d True < 1306469099 216368 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Divisible (S Z) d False < 1306469099 216584 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub n d n', Divisible n' d r) => Divisible n d r < 1306469099 216698 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (LT n d) => Divisible n d False < 1306469101 124198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should do it < 1306469103 698918 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1306469109 819605 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make sure n in the last one is at least two < 1306469112 777084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1306469116 590752 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'll be overlapping < 1306469169 925074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you were doing it with type classes as well < 1306469173 759859 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (LT (S (S n)) d) => Divisible (S (S n)) d False < 1306469175 626667 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will probably work < 1306469180 618260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, type families are too easy < 1306469226 419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there is no point in having special case for Divisible (S Z) ... < 1306469237 406367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1306469277 653529 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what the worst thing about the traditional filesystem model? < 1306469285 2755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*No room for fucking metadata*. < 1306469355 821975 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has gotten to be absolutely essential now that 1TB is cheap. < 1306469411 65199 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um really? < 1306469411 967258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can derive LT from Sub < 1306469414 642902 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1306469450 395000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or that would give overlapping would it < 1306469483 538428 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1306469505 38425 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: the case of hitting 1 is not more special than hitting 2, only 0 is different. and both fail for some divisors. < 1306469649 816972 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1306469801 138953 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for Divisible < 1306469801 393560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (S (S Z)) (S (S (S (S Z)))) False < 1306469801 474894 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from an expression type signature < 1306469801 475015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Matching instances: < 1306469801 475077 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Sub n d n', Divisible n' d r) => Divisible n d r < 1306469801 617283 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at /home/elliott/Code/fizzbuzz/fizzbuzz.hs:33:10-58 < 1306469803 721632 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance LT (S n) d => Divisible (S n) d False < 1306469807 367848 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at /home/elliott/Code/fizzbuzz/fizzbuzz.hs:34:10-48 < 1306469809 560845 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1306469811 570456 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess i do need to modify sub < 1306469840 908302 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306469846 173103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how?? < 1306469849 273361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need type-level Maybe? :) < 1306469966 118521 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for Divisible < 1306469966 237494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (S (S Z)) (S (S (S (S Z)))) False < 1306469966 840703 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not again < 1306469978 315198 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1306470663 430085 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306470904 587169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you _are_ aware of the rule that ghc doesn't look at the context, only the part after => when deciding which instance to use and whether there is overlap, right? < 1306470913 335675 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i have functional dependencies... < 1306470921 826013 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't they fix that :( < 1306470941 877245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, no. < 1306470995 341977 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1306471000 683615 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i have to use type families < 1306471002 741413 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are basically cheating < 1306471043 431631 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: go learn real category theory obv < 1306471099 885143 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what has this got to do with category theory < 1306471104 215734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is nothing) < 1306471191 537372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an answer which is obviously false < 1306471204 851257 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_everything_ has got something to do with category theory) < 1306471229 777633 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not necessarily something you want to think about, though) < 1306471268 70393 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well yes :) < 1306471280 968560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but talking about everything is the same thing as talking about nothing < 1306471291 169044 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :touché < 1306471507 246824 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306471547 602459 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems like i might have to bite the bullet and use type families < 1306471548 833453 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :L A M E < 1306471694 706692 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it in the family < 1306471851 925759 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: totally < 1306471855 138512 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am sad because of this < 1306471856 240466 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it too easy < 1306471906 743758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well multiparameter typeclasses _are_ supposed to be TC < 1306471938 566260 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are they? < 1306471942 158997 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why is this not working < 1306471944 932662 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1306471948 70472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know theres that interpreter < 1306471950 371320 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to /greenspun/ this < 1306471952 280074 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEEDS MORE CLEVAR < 1306471962 324799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess if I can write a directly recursive Divisible algorithm < 1306471968 223859 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't use subtraction < 1306471968 305714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1306472007 379047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that type maybe btw < 1306472028 68454 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Turning_tarpit&curid=3781&diff=23114&oldid=23070 < 1306472028 150306 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1306472030 955434 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i made it < 1306472063 780664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/YBbd < 1306472066 12323 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and < 1306472067 622216 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# LANGUAGE MultiParamTypeClasses, < 1306472067 703381 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : FunctionalDependencies, < 1306472067 703491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : FlexibleInstances, UndecidableInstances #-} < 1306472069 828046 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this fails: < 1306472077 549146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> undefined :: (Divisible (S (S Z)) (S (S (S (S Z)))) r) => r < 1306472080 519808 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really no idea at this point < 1306472265 649201 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah that won't work, the parts after => are still overlapping < 1306472307 838599 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's easy to fix < 1306472340 808462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just change the second one to have => Divisible (S n) d True < 1306472382 467600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the context changed appropriately < 1306472383 306487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1306472463 649459 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i don't recall if you can actually use MPTCs to _calculate_ the types... < 1306472495 536948 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that won't work will it < 1306472508 46603 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _need_ the False case < 1306472544 139311 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know enough about how this is supposed to work < 1306472612 499140 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i forgot to see what you said < 1306472618 215858 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> just change the second one to have => Divisible (S n) d True < 1306472618 358764 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> (with the context changed appropriately < 1306472618 441424 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> ) < 1306472620 942420 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that does not work < 1306472627 86017 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do the false case separately < 1306472632 556559 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it says it violates the fundeps anyway < 1306472633 168595 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306472634 927289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose you can only branch based on known information < 1306472635 628843 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306472643 975783 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub n d (Just n'), Divisible n' d True) => Divisible n d True < 1306472644 860054 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :----> < 1306472647 912739 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Functional dependencies conflict between instance declarations: < 1306472648 276005 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Sub n d (Just n'), Divisible n' d True) => < 1306472648 361090 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Divisible n d True < 1306472648 361176 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at /home/elliott/Code/fizzbuzz/fizzbuzz.hs:33:10-71 < 1306472648 361219 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Sub (S n) d Nothing => Divisible (S n) d False < 1306472648 495654 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at /home/elliott/Code/fizzbuzz/fizzbuzz.hs:34:10-57 < 1306472686 985001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it probably doesn't look at contexts to decide whether fundeps are satisfied either < 1306472717 722061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it thinks those two can overlap < 1306472730 840973 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306472745 281729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can substitute n -> S n in the first one to get a violation in the latter < 1306472806 853944 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306472809 354560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way to fix that? :-P < 1306472827 740305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch trying to get it to use type classes to infer the last type argument is not how you actually do type level programming with them < 1306472850 116377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be wrong about that, but... < 1306472871 574352 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going based on http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Type_arithmetic < 1306472876 681845 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially type inference, and i don't think that works at this level < 1306472880 845454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm let me look < 1306472891 56720 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to mostly be raw recursive functions < 1306472894 869437 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (complicated) compositions < 1306472901 44549 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without combining the two < 1306472946 641844 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh oleg has done decimals < 1306472966 875 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1306472972 642491 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am considering just doing modulo myself < 1306472975 552916 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and checking it for ==0 < 1306473054 633084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose it has to able to deduce result types then < 1306473086 817240 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for Mod (S (S Z)) (S (S (S (S Z)))) (S (S Z)) < 1306473086 898431 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from an expression type signature < 1306473087 608343 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1306473094 224015 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance (Sub a b (Just a'), Mod a' b r) => Mod a b r < 1306473094 537828 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at /home/elliott/Code/fizzbuzz/fizzbuzz.hs:30:10-53 < 1306473094 619882 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Sub a b Nothing => Mod a b a < 1306473094 620053 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Defined at /home/elliott/Code/fizzbuzz/fizzbuzz.hs:31:10-39 < 1306473094 620155 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: < 1306473098 378479 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffff < 1306473100 304677 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1306473102 896147 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this Sub thing does not work < 1306473103 610113 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1306473111 371494 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the Nothing/Just < 1306473213 163699 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't know how to make this work at all... < 1306473217 29463 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Mod a b r | a b -> r < 1306473217 110591 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub a b a', Mod a' b r) => Mod a b r < 1306473217 110753 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (LT a b) => Mod a b a < 1306473219 102372 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even this works < 1306473238 258952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that overlaps < 1306473257 652175 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1306473260 112103 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can do < 1306473263 857677 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Mod a b r x | a b -> r < 1306473264 116680 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub a b a', Mod a' b r x) => Mod a b r True < 1306473264 198595 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (LT a b) => Mod a b a False < 1306473266 476357 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if I specify False < 1306473269 194499 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing actually works < 1306473273 590066 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... dunno if that will help though < 1306473334 672012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you cannot put True and False there, they have to be introduced by some deduction in the context < 1306473360 650539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you can only branch on input, not output, i think < 1306473488 584729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the instance Divs Z n False is fine, because it is determined entirely by input < 1306473578 484553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for Divs (S n) d r you need to calculate the result entirely in the context < 1306473668 160513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub (S n) d mb, DivHelper mb d r) => Divs (S n) d r < 1306473693 91249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where mb is a type level maybe < 1306473708 565507 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads what you SAYY < 1306473721 979973 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would DivHelper be? < 1306473739 378585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that branches on the maybe which Sub has calculated < 1306473765 17770 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would mb actually be, though? < 1306473766 995284 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maybe sub calculated? < 1306473769 652285 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance DivHelper Nothing d False < 1306473772 409892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306473782 151038 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1306473821 918254 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm and then divhelper recurses into divisible? < 1306473822 805328 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1306473823 781279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance DivHelper (Just Z) d True < 1306473838 179949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one more for Just (S n) < 1306473844 400744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1306473845 621531 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um are you sure < 1306473847 409150 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1306473849 366118 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Divisible a d r) => DivHelper (Just a) d r < 1306473849 675122 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1306473855 308063 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Divisible has the Z/d/True case < 1306473856 738032 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :already < 1306473864 590428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that with a = S n < 1306473871 33137 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you get overlap < 1306473876 589560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1306473877 649649 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1306473880 790220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1306473882 597150 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class DivHelper m d r | m d -> r < 1306473882 943922 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance DivHelper Nothing d False < 1306473883 26084 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Divisible a d r) => DivHelper (Just a) d r < 1306473884 643820 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look ma, no overlap < 1306473888 922482 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right :) < 1306473895 378897 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Divisible (S (S Z)) (S (S (S (S Z)))) r) => r < 1306473895 632997 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: False < 1306473895 976754 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1306473902 491732 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two is divisible by four right < 1306473920 532526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you have an unusual argument order < 1306473926 518089 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Divisible a d r | a d -> r < 1306473926 931487 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Divisible Z d True < 1306473927 12996 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub (S n) d m, DivHelper m d r) => Divisible (S n) d r < 1306473927 13166 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class DivHelper m d r | m d -> r < 1306473927 13271 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance DivHelper Nothing d False < 1306473927 561000 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Divisible a d r) => DivHelper (Just a) d r < 1306473928 598757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, no. < 1306473931 95742 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Divisible a b) => a|b < 1306473931 757474 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1306473933 314379 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1306473935 516413 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :durr < 1306473956 574568 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Divisible (S (S (S (S Z)))) (S (S Z)) r) => r :: True < 1306473957 258326 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1306474011 164037 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now for a loop < 1306474221 837708 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if oerjan has guessed what he's writing yet... < 1306474234 320708 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: three and five < 1306474245 378910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1306474252 165181 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that one < 1306474266 991400 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy with type families but they would make it too easy :) < 1306474355 266603 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the lesson of this i guess is that you cannot program MPTCs like prolog even though it looks like it < 1306474390 276260 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo syntax) < 1306474496 682609 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One essay in describing TECO coined the acronym "YAFIYGI", meaning "You Asked For It You Got It" and thus being the antitheses of WYSIWYG ("What You See Is What You Get"). (According to Wikipedia) < 1306474526 684260 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306474706 819184 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Functional dependencies conflict between instance declarations: < 1306474707 594714 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdpfosdfjsdpofspf < 1306474727 714451 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Divisible n Five True, Divisible n Eight True) => FB n FizzBuzz < 1306474728 137483 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Divisible n Five True, Divisible n Eight False) => FB n Fizz < 1306474728 219639 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Divisible n Five False, Divisible n Eight True) => FB n Buzz < 1306474729 447460 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE HELPER TIME < 1306474855 262368 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Divisible n Five d5, FB1 n d5 r) => FB n r < 1306474881 802081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1306474949 849784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the part to the right of =>, any fixed part of the output needs to be determined by the fixed parts of the input, is my hunch < 1306474952 32921 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Loop Z (S (S (S (S Z)))) r) => r < 1306474952 359497 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Loop Z (S (S (S (S Z)))) r) => r < 1306474952 441533 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: LoopHelper (Just FizzBuzz) Z (S (S (S (S Z)))) (Cons fb r) => < 1306474952 441730 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cons fb r < 1306474952 878388 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1306475122 727696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it didn't actually try to calculate it? < 1306475132 668924 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class LoopHelper m n c r | n c -> r < 1306475133 15104 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Loop (S n) c r) => LoopHelper Nothing n (S c) r < 1306475133 97031 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Loop (S n) c r) => LoopHelper (Just fb) n (S c) (Cons fb r) < 1306475136 634611 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably just have a mistake here < 1306475154 256307 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (LoopHelper < 1306475154 488223 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Just FizzBuzz) Z (S (S (S (S Z)))) (Cons fb r)) < 1306475157 9091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to be the problem < 1306475168 722030 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306475177 424628 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Loop n c r | n c -> r < 1306475177 604299 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Loop n Z Nil < 1306475177 686446 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (FB n m, LoopHelper m n (S c) r) => Loop n (S c) r < 1306475182 439035 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see anything wrong < 1306475195 749942 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306475277 713915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um shouldn't it be | m n c -> r ? < 1306475291 84332 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306475292 176196 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1306475302 893884 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> undefined :: (Loop Z (S (S (S (S Z)))) r) => r < 1306475303 110648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:1: < 1306475303 191683 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show (Cons FizzBuzz Nil)) < 1306475303 963814 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite... < 1306475312 981908 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1306475314 14025 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1306475326 104683 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306475326 738558 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Loop Z Eight r) => r < 1306475327 72282 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:1: < 1306475327 154385 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Context reduction stack overflow; size = 21 < 1306475327 154571 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -fcontext-stack=N to increase stack size to N < 1306475330 686232 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Erm." < 1306475341 880127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1306475341 961242 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type families would solve that, right? :P < 1306475351 323560 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was followed by a gigantic list of loop helper things < 1306475356 406119 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is failing on /eight/ :-O < 1306475368 772591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not too good... < 1306475369 82417 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Loop Z Eight r) => r < 1306475369 289682 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Loop Z Eight r) => r :: Cons FizzBuzz (Cons Fizz Nil) < 1306475371 938240 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm is that backwards... < 1306475401 925350 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1306475403 910392 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not right is it < 1306475435 291724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not. < 1306475449 272646 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1306475453 874151 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe divisible is broke < 1306475486 435667 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oops < 1306475490 149349 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did five and eight rather than three and five < 1306475492 174258 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i am drunk < 1306475503 793652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons (S Z) (Cons (S (S Z)) (Cons Fizz (Cons (S (S (S (S Z)))) (Cons Buzz ... is what i'd expect < 1306475520 691578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306475578 183459 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Loop Z (S (S (S (S (S Five))))) r) => r < 1306475578 295391 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Loop Z (S (S (S (S (S Five))))) r) => r < 1306475578 377246 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: Cons < 1306475578 377405 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : FizzBuzz (Cons Fizz (Cons Buzz (Cons Fizz (Cons Fizz Nil)))) < 1306475583 196918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i guess if it is not using the optimal evaluation order, it might build up a huge amount of unfinished work < 1306475587 10124 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, it should not include 0 < 1306475593 385091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1306475605 647872 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just increasing the limit works fine though < 1306475610 6671 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Loop (S Z) (S (S (S (S (S Five))))) r) => r < 1306475610 194731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Loop (S Z) (S (S (S (S (S Five))))) r) => r < 1306475610 276420 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: Cons Fizz (Cons Buzz (Cons Fizz (Cons Fizz (Cons Buzz Nil)))) < 1306475611 56330 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1306475621 789556 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to build up one hundred :) < 1306475629 355145 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can use my Sub as an Add < 1306475630 846952 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a shitty idea < 1306475644 601778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you are not going to include the numbers not divisible by 3 or 5? < 1306475655 891939 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1306475658 524803 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do that don't you < 1306475658 840731 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306475664 534184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well afair < 1306475738 853799 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1306475738 973744 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : r = Cons (Number (S Z)) r < 1306475739 685901 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgopdfgjofgodifjg < 1306475749 473729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306475828 466859 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class FBHelper n dt df fb | n dt df -> fb < 1306475828 848381 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance FBHelper n True False Fizz < 1306475828 930523 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance FBHelper n False True Buzz < 1306475828 930685 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance FBHelper n True True FizzBuzz < 1306475828 930788 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance FBHelper n False False (Number n) < 1306475830 579278 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this won't work out < 1306475857 853639 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you do it that way < 1306475863 142301 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306475865 972169 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an S < 1306475881 126638 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent, it's working now < 1306475896 101922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MARVELOUS < 1306475903 27363 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm now how can I use my Sub to do addition < 1306475912 901345 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306475914 649327 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1306475924 365349 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: < 1306475924 551193 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : forall r. Sub Five r (Just Five) => r < 1306475924 633682 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you intended to use -XRankNTypes or -XRank2Types < 1306475925 935486 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLUH BLUH < 1306475958 946642 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: Ten < 1306475959 51651 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In an expression type signature: Loop (S Z) Ten r => r < 1306475959 133524 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: undefined :: Loop (S Z) Ten r => r < 1306475962 961181 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess ten has to be a typeclass :D < 1306476001 736664 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Ten x r | x -> r < 1306476001 891657 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Sub Five r (Just Five)) => Ten () r < 1306476004 552852 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: observe the lovely grossness < 1306476029 274936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh < 1306476075 688158 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Twenty x r | x -> r; instance (Sub Ten r (Just Ten)) => Twenty () r < 1306476077 4988 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the error < 1306476080 848648 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: Ten is a typeclass too < 1306476093 496701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1306476167 591302 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Hundred () n, Loop (S Z) n r) => r < 1306476167 865271 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Hundred () n, Loop (S Z) n r) => r < 1306476167 947131 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: (Loop (S Z) n2 r, < 1306476167 947204 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sub twenty n (Just twenty), < 1306476167 947247 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sub n eighty (Just n), < 1306476168 307146 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sub Five n1 (Just Five), < 1306476170 555926 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sub n1 twenty (Just n1), < 1306476172 522055 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sub eighty n2 (Just twenty)) => < 1306476174 564655 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : r < 1306476176 589427 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1306476187 627800 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1306476188 68618 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1306476206 192841 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait what < 1306476217 441006 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306476228 875771 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1306476230 171098 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fundeps conflict < 1306476323 562395 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PART :#esoteric < 1306476341 201735 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t undefined :: (Hundred () n, Loop (S Z) n r) => r < 1306476341 388786 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: (Hundred () n, Loop (S Z) n r) => r < 1306476341 470907 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: Cons < 1306476341 471036 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Number (S Z)) < 1306476341 471137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Cons < 1306476342 224631 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Number (S (S Z))) < 1306476346 262485 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Cons Fizz (Cons (Number (S (S (S (S Z))))) (Cons Buzz Nil)))) < 1306476348 323091 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... < 1306476350 345882 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1306476374 164322 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh < 1306476375 439862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to think 100 = 5 < 1306476376 750644 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my add is broken i guess < 1306476387 996855 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1306476406 425909 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now to wait for it to do all the fizzbuzzing < 1306476407 161152 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1306476414 354558 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to think that type families would be preferable at this point < 1306476434 313462 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chuuuuuuuuurn < 1306476479 708660 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my computer fans are currently spinning as it tries to work out the difficult combinatorial problem known only as "FizzBuzz" < 1306476488 993995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1306476528 832776 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not done :D < 1306476536 70734 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's building up EVERY SINGLE THUNK < 1306476539 906686 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then evaluating them all at once < 1306476545 442669 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no lazy evaluation really < 1306476546 22472 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1306476547 290493 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing recurses < 1306476548 933513 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it conses < 1306476553 233227 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1306476556 789377 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the head has to execute first < 1306476559 428245 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context < 1306476560 33301 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1306476563 10881 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1306476563 384218 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306476609 659804 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: really tempted to go into #haskell and say "does anyone have any tips for optimising typeclass computation?" < 1306476625 978361 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9351 elliott 20 0 1689m 1.6g 15m R 98 44.1 3:39.59 ghc < 1306476628 666137 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good use of half my ram < 1306476765 142725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306476766 504802 :elliott_!~elliott@95.149.228.223 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306476779 942027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have made a great achievement today. < 1306476789 867467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the first person to ever successfully freeze their computer trying to produce FizzBuzz. < 1306476830 357012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your haskell XP is now 35 millioleg < 1306476840 368092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can produce forty < 1306476865 874418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone ever hit a decioleg? < 1306476879 83157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg while a baby < 1306476888 456224 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aside from Oleg*. < 1306476892 683166 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i love morrisey! ..i know it's absolutely out of topic but i have to throw you this curveball now < 1306476898 784553 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NcOm1enVFo&feature=BFp&list=WL4A8A5CE20F5AF139&index=17 < 1306476899 280504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOH < 1306476900 378640 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wouldn't know where to paste it else either :/ ) < 1306476908 356749 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :punish me < 1306476917 332711 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hagb4rd -----### < 1306476926 535435 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, in order to obtain 1 oleg of Haskell XP, you must hit all the rationals between that and 0 oleg first. < 1306476951 337426 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's 1 zeno, i think < 1306476993 110287 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baaah. < 1306477015 29787 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, point is, are there any mortals who have achieved a tenth of Oleghood? < 1306477039 550527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. < 1306477058 861517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1306477061 451349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised < 1306477067 515359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to do decimal conversion :( < 1306477082 34555 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1306477106 506699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to cry < 1306477107 449546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1306477141 842078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's not like you're going to achieve correct output format anyhow... < 1306477183 319827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1306477183 972219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1306477186 713356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to reify it < 1306477188 208252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the value level < 1306477195 379665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306477198 151422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll construct a list of (peano) bytes at the type level < 1306477199 819115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then print it out < 1306477202 770139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the C++ deadfish < 1306477204 480918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except peano < 1306477217 758755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in this for the long haul oerjan < 1306477221 155583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing this right < 1306477382 996712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps oerjan i want you to know that you have a guaranteed ticket to the martian colony < 1306477401 601920 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1306477470 928565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306477473 14172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're lucky < 1306477622 708026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then oerjan went on with his life without even asking what he meant < 1306477698 470062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that < 1306477705 330780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a really easy way to do Peano division :P < 1306477733 799867 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than using subtraction? not that i know of. < 1306477749 850533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you mean < 1306477773 394710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i do < 1306477809 920856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pretty similar to that Divs < 1306477817 239063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm mm oerjan can ih ave some bread < 1306477827 420263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love bread its great < 1306477871 864016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ____ < 1306477880 499110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/____\ < 1306477939 706354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a shitty breazd < 1306477990 75319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1306478020 524194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1306478220 854232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws hardtack at elliott  < 1306478298 889194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no wait i thought of the best thing to do with bread < 1306478300 106081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toast it right < 1306478301 532368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put bacon on it < 1306478507 757233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fried egg < 1306478728 291354 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on #haskell found fizzbuzz < 1306478738 109502 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job < 1306478871 945747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1306478882 824388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put it up there so i could see it better :D < 1306478886 270485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too big for my emacs window < 1306478916 632533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306478945 610447 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned the cheat in the anagol Deadfish and I figured out how to do that cheat in JavaScript code (I put (cheat) after my name). Maybe there is other cheats? I didn't find any. < 1306478994 757741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any other big cheats < 1306479039 774320 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i recall those interpreters i saw didn't bother to handle h, just erroring out on it < 1306479072 399847 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might help a bit < 1306479087 128266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Not bothering to handle h, I don't consider that cheat, since all valid inputs only contain i,d,s,o,h and h is only at the end. < 1306479099 778580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . catMaybes . map (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (id:) . map (show.) ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479100 468668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a < 1306479100 550015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Ma... < 1306479101 447403 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have already dealt with that in my submissions. < 1306479109 48265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . catMaybes $ map (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (id:) . map (show.) ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479109 623124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe < 1306479109 704390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1306479113 219852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1306479128 93216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookup < 1306479128 774671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Eq a) => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b < 1306479162 907988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, immediately after "h" will always be end of file in all valid inputs. It is not considered cheating, in my opinion, if your program fails to work properly with invalid inputs; it doesn't matter what happen in that case.) < 1306479174 198253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . catMaybes $ map (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (id:) . map (const.show) ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479175 51944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe < 1306479175 133881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1306479186 932581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er duh < 1306479203 443594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . catMaybes $ map (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) . map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479204 106510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe < 1306479204 187735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1306479307 130700 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . catMaybes $ map (join $ flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) . map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479307 709562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> [a1 -> GHC.Base.String]' < 1306479307 790585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against... < 1306479316 983841 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not going very well... < 1306479325 853336 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Javascript code exits on "h" due to error, my C code treats "h" the same as "d" and exits at EOF (which is OK since that won't affect output if the input is valid), and my AWK code just ignores "h" (and exits at EOF). < 1306479343 297190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306479396 750179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (join $ fromJust . flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) . map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479397 541003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe (a1 -> m a)' < 1306479397 623014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against... < 1306479401 755788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it doesn't matter what your program does with "h" as long as not causing extra output, due to range of valid input (I think the rules of Perl golf specify a rule similar to this one). < 1306479431 365665 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306479552 765885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (join $ fromJust . flip lookup zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479553 485266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a1 -> Data.Maybe.Maybe a' < 1306479553 613932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inf... < 1306479585 127474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the C codes (there are four shorter than mine) use the cheat checking 256 or any other cheats? I suppose, I can learn that in 16 hours. < 1306479597 933907 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (join $ fromJust . flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479598 559485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe (a1 -> a)' < 1306479598 641515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against i... < 1306479645 152823 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My AWK code for Deadfish uses exponentiation, but not ^2 did you know that?! < 1306479789 50440 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (fromJust . join $ flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) [1..] < 1306479789 406185 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306479789 669620 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "er" < 1306479789 768492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe < 1306479789 850052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1306479789 931134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1306479790 355971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "er" < 1306479844 896260 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (fromJust . join . (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"])) [1..] < 1306479845 524937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe GHC.Base.String' < 1306479845 607095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : aga... < 1306479935 852055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (join $ fromJust . (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"])) [1..] < 1306479939 684953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1306479943 543661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-83.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306479944 205499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306479969 983742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks busy :( < 1306479974 695195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a 147 bytes TeX program that typesets the FizzBuzz output < 1306479983 593176 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :h[a]gbard < 1306479989 882804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (join $ fromJust . (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"])) [1..] < 1306479991 879710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 *Exception: Maybe.fromJust: Nothing < 1306479998 951825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1306480005 358622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sheesh < 1306480033 327518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using the Plain TeX format) < 1306480077 50906 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords $ map (join $ fromJust . (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) . gcd 15) [1..] < 1306480078 447667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Bu... < 1306480115 583922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like you make it work now < 1306480119 499410 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1306480134 392132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know how to make it work shorter? < 1306480159 606047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . (`map`[1..]) . join $ fromJust . (flip lookup . zip [1,3,5,15] . (show:) $ map const ["Fizz","Buzz","FizzBuzz"]) . gcd 15 < 1306480160 891577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Bu... < 1306480278 498172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that isn't shorter (but it still seems to works) < 1306480315 132820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is program in TeX: \let~\advance\time0\day0\loop~\time1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\time=3\time0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<100\repeat\bye < 1306480325 344306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1306480350 866458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand this? < 1306480356 378866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a chance < 1306480369 656274 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used TeX? < 1306480378 187597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only latex < 1306480402 891214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to do it in LaTeX code golf then, see if you can do it. < 1306480442 480118 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-232-99.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1306480448 495330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not used LaTeX as a programming language, only markup < 1306480459 733670 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trivial definitions < 1306480483 685760 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, it is possible to make my code shorter if it is OK to have error messages. What I have is the shortest one I know of, that does not result in error messages, < 1306480506 539232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1306480586 899814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of stuff have you made with it? < 1306480628 55802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :math papers < 1306480840 368993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made all sorts of stuff with TeX including business cards for FreeGeek. Although I do use it for typesetting mathematics as well, but I have not written many mathematical reports (although TeXnicard includes a few math formulas in the document part of the program). < 1306480859 103896 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is scary. I'm having fun with a crappy fandom IRC client < 1306480863 261470 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get nine business cards on a page < 1306480908 932294 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it required me to write a AWK program to convert the logo from SVG to METAFONT. < 1306480927 101423 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What IRC client is that and what is it scary? < 1306480948 645192 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pesterchum, and because it's a weird niche thing < 1306480956 530561 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I'm having fun with < 1306480989 454190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of features does it have that you are using? < 1306481073 845681 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just discovered a "feature" that lets me force people to see images that come with the client < 1306481083 76038 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are playing around with it, the developer is leaving it in < 1306481113 183387 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Like, how does it work? < 1306481134 887768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some HTML-like thing internally < 1306481140 841335 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not full HTML though < 1306481204 921482 :h[a]gbard!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4e6d7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: h[a]gbard < 1306481225 816323 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1306481243 270508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once, using the IRC client I am currently using, made so other people on Microsoft Comic Chat saw my picture each one to match their own, and when they changed it I changed it too but nobody else could notice that was happening, they thought it was matching their own instead!! < 1306481799 591319 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net NICK :lameNOT < 1306482787 608667 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone sent a game (the same game in each case) to two game companies. One rejected because they work only with abstract games. The other rejected because they do not work with abstract games. < 1306483713 47166 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306485480 637365 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306485622 615740 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306486570 663861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1306486689 558309 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1306486692 989961 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306488140 911901 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306489141 534498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306489349 738756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1306489411 680905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the last xkcd is actually slightly funny. Not much, but slightly. < 1306489512 414613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, have you actually been following Homestuck lately? < 1306489551 718447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nope. I didn't have time. Plus I have the bookmark of where I left off on the computer where the PSU broke. < 1306489588 453418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have you read Problem Sleuth yet? < 1306489594 634065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306489599 303673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, liked it? < 1306489639 792750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1306489766 954164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, did you leave off around http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005643? < 1306489779 531150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you should try to calibrate the allegiance mesh of this channel. Maybe you could turn me and elliott into friends! < 1306489824 164414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm, maybe. There is no Next on that one?? < 1306489828 152252 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1306489847 91668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Flash update; the Next appears when it's over. < 1306489852 738132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have flash on this computer. Oh well < 1306489865 495920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, pressing go back I think I left on on the previous one < 1306491938 497765 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an ext3 fs, a single inode will always be made out of neighbouring blocks, right? or can an inode contain e.g. blocks 1001, 5164, 600067 ? < 1306491953 796748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306492363 728662 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't apng work in Chrome? :( < 1306492435 596895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most practical complaint EVAR < 1306492567 620985 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1306492621 380173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, apng? < 1306492645 602109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1306492662 900098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, presumably it stands for "another portable network graphics"? < 1306492712 302652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have to say that the expansion of PNG is slightly silly. PNG can after all be used over other things than networks) < 1306492842 904516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did lenovo place the headphone connector at the front of the laptop... It is quite annoying when the connector is large. This one for example is about 4 cm including the strain relief. < 1306492861 100987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 cm without strain relief) < 1306492886 32051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is how much it sticks out in front of the palmrest, so not including the actual plug bit < 1306492908 742176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any good idea why they would put the headphone connector in such a stupid place? < 1306492919 355178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wizards < 1306492931 803230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sorcerers? < 1306493526 511393 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306494401 577944 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1306495113 395524 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, animated png < 1306495195 814413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm actually liking Pesterchum < 1306495374 645112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've viewed animated PNGs before in Chrome < 1306495405 484928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I must have been mistaken. < 1306495791 558587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306495974 130252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306496717 833055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306496732 329585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiais523 < 1306496764 103233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1306496770 637089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my client actually detected that as a nickping < 1306496778 81656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because I have a stalkword on ais523 as well as current nick < 1306496779 666250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that wasn't the fun pun i intended it as < 1306496784 40893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523 < 1306496786 659838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just lame < 1306496787 208933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1306497053 831746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, animated png <--- hm? is that different from .mng? < 1306497095 166292 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG is more popular, and APNGs are valid PNGs, with the first frame of the APNG being what's shown when rendered as a regular PNG < 1306497095 449092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG and MNG are competing formats that do much the same thing < 1306497105 568137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306497117 999814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG is supported only by Firefox, with the other major browsers mostly doing MNG, but APNG is winning anyway; draw what conclusions you like about that < 1306497130 139780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can either really be said to be winning < 1306497132 182638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting. Does firefox handle mng? < 1306497136 757239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the impression anyone uses either :) < 1306497148 733450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen mng... once I think < 1306497153 808469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen apng < 1306497155 657068 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there are browserss that support mng? < 1306497168 837041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not any more, it used to but they disabled the code, for fear of security holes or whatever < 1306497174 831763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I think Chrome does, and possibly Opera too < 1306497177 642210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1306497191 175010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also quite possibly the WebKit-based ones < 1306497196 868400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other WebKit-based ones, I mean < 1306497265 884245 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No support in Chrome/WebKit for MNG, says 'pedia. < 1306497326 877470 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306497334 459769 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No native browser support at all, actually, according to their handy table. < 1306497392 410976 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are browsers so reluctant to implement apng/mng again < 1306497410 402783 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have thought they'd jump on the opportunity to wean the internet off ultra large animated gifs < 1306497416 730454 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Chrome wants to keep relying on OS libraries, from what I've read < 1306497428 305305 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well really there needs to be an image format optimized for animations, like a webm type thing < 1306497440 184652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not shit like webm is presumabl < 1306497440 815267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1306497458 2022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really though, all animations are are small videos < 1306497464 15453 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of use was the cited reason for dropping the native MNG support; and I guess lack of browser support is one of the main reasons dor the lack of usage. < 1306497466 384186 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But animated gifs are highly uncompressed < 1306497469 747030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is a lossless video format < 1306497472 423803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :No prediction encoding or anything < 1306497511 297377 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apng: the best thing since gif porn? < 1306497562 649033 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MNG at least doesn't get any advantage of the cross-frame correlation, the frames are all individually encoded PNG or JNG images. < 1306497578 345177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well that sucks. < 1306497580 949102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently Chrome wants to keep relying on OS libraries, from what I've read <-- so what do they use for png? < 1306497598 809040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libpng? < 1306497630 641531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt that is an OS library on windows? < 1306497632 736339 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though: i find it distracting that there are no uncompressed movie formats floating around < 1306497642 439663 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think movie freaks would appreciate crisp realism < 1306497642 699516 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it does that thing where the successive animation frames can be deltas, I don't know. < 1306497642 780728 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, elliott's right I think, so I'm wrong < 1306497658 690358 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION furiously browses his flac directory < 1306497683 73274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty such formats. < 1306497684 684482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: I've seen zipped-directory-of-pngs as a lossless movie format < 1306497686 163238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, h.twosixfour. < 1306497695 524316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with xtwosixfour you just set quantisation to 0 < 1306497698 820891 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah i guess for renders < 1306497698 989969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ did it recently. < 1306497702 982595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compresses well. < 1306497705 324800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: technically, you also need to scale up the image by a factor of 2 < 1306497709 312292 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but i mean "real movies", as in hollywood movies < 1306497717 424486 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternative cinema movies < 1306497722 446037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with xtwosixfour, as in, this is how you do it with this encoder < 1306497731 115251 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, afaik MNG does some kind of prediction between frames. < 1306497731 460307 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :things you'd actually be likely to watch casually. < 1306497733 654180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as h.264 always averages color across 2x2 blocks < 1306497735 125071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__: films are not even edited losslessly. < 1306497744 815259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to set quantisation to 0, /and/ upscale by a factor of 2 < 1306497745 43277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : cheater__: I've seen zipped-directory-of-pngs as a lossless movie format <-- uh... that gains you nothing < 1306497751 232722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only marginally < 1306497752 61491 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell APNG also just includes the frame data chunks as-is. < 1306497752 854700 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i think they're not even recorded losslessly < 1306497756 113516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the format used for film editing is a /near/-lossless one.) < 1306497762 545810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it gains quite a bit if two of the frames happen to be identical < 1306497775 98265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it gets you inter-frame compression < 1306497777 567599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is important < 1306497781 532952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1306497781 715318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose png's compression might mess with it < 1306497784 883027 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe they're edited in compressed form because of throughput problems < 1306497801 657503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and storage problems. < 1306497802 944927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :films are big. < 1306497809 486633 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306497819 58896 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, .aiff's were big too. < 1306497819 300641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, afaik png's compression is basically the same as zip's compression, Plus some delta encodings like "compared to same pixel, previous scanline" (and a few more modes) < 1306497829 33924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if all you want to watch is Sita Sings the Blues and the Blender films, you can have perfectly lossless copies. < 1306497841 982843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but the png is per-file < 1306497847 47002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1306497848 4495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip compresses between files < 1306497850 424962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306497851 458611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1306497854 331298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't < 1306497856 69881 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can store a 10 minute song on my iOmega Zip drive, though. < 1306497858 550634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno whether it is .tar.gz or .gz.tar < 1306497861 500271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeees. That is about the only movie of any length where loseless is actually possible :P < 1306497866 859993 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think they're so big anymore. < 1306497874 28303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are MULTIPLE blender films ;/ < 1306497875 680337 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, can we just calculate the difference between two frames and save it as a PNG file? < 1306497886 22912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh true. They are quite short iirc < 1306497888 908900 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The movie-theatre "digital distribution" standard format -- or at least one of them -- is to include each frame as an individual high-quality (but still lossy) JPEG2000 image. < 1306497892 126500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sita example is kind of cheap though -- it's Flash, so by all rights you should be able to watch a completely vector version < 1306497894 412839 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the movie format situation is similar to the mp3 proliferation back in the day. < 1306497896 565048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the .fla is distributed) < 1306497927 171667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for blender you could get the original blender source maybe? < 1306497929 507676 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Zip drive < 1306497939 513587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they distribute the lossless files and also that, yes. < 1306497939 941673 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, JPEG2000 is an industry format? < 1306497942 134592 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour me surprised\ < 1306497942 287534 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not a big win, but it is good enough for most purposes < 1306497946 235801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: mm < 1306497962 346609 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, yes < 1306497973 512628 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG is actually an organization. < 1306497984 151087 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one that wants a loseless movie format will don't care about the small (compared to the delta-encoding...) changes in file size < 1306497991 789518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think that zip has two modes, solid and non-solid. IIRC solid is like tar.gz and non-solid like .gz.tar < 1306497993 464043 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make sense that something bearing its name would be an industry standard :p < 1306498006 575425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely sure of this however < 1306498037 355091 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is .gz.tar just a lot of separate gz files tarred up? < 1306498043 998882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better than .zip.gz.tar.gz (Xilinx again, who else?) < 1306498061 436693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, was it .zip.bz2.tar.gz? < 1306498064 813076 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater__, well, if you think a working group in ISO/IEC JTC 1 is capable for defining an effective industry standard, yes that's an industry standard. < 1306498066 83824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something like that < 1306498069 921693 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306498091 224003 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some of them makes things too complex, hence "the language designed by committee." < 1306498096 109888 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make* < 1306498215 96034 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an ext3 journal, if a single block gets overwritten several times, it can have multiple transactions for it sitting on the disk, right? does that ever get flattened (to e.g. preserve space)? < 1306498305 749274 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes: MNG does support a form of motion compensation (assuming your encoder does, anyway); it's possible to have sprite-like things that appear in different locations in separate frames without including the image data for that multiple times; as well as the thing where you compose next frame as a delta of previous, like I think animated gif also does (just by having transparent frames that are overlaid over previous state); and a specific "delta-png" format. B < 1306498343 720582 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :format. B < 1306498352 281262 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they've defined MNG-LC and MNG-VLC ("low complexity" and "very low complexity") variants which don't support any of that. < 1306498383 250549 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for APNG, from what I can tell it simply is a collection of IDAT chunks from separate frames. Not sure if new frames are composited on top of old ones; if not, then it doesn't get any advantage from similar frames. < 1306498401 606876 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think MNG is going too far in that direction. should really have been some kind of markup language with images embedded (not a binary format). < 1306498504 405119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVG? < 1306498511 503078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does raster too, despite the name < 1306498558 973989 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about SVG animations, but if it works then it'd be a lot better than MNG < 1306499005 551865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVG is really complex, it has a comparable featureset to the non-video-decoding parts of Flash < 1306499788 410006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306499812 795249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306500054 666320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306500139 778442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Migol&curid=2729&diff=23119&oldid=21576 < 1306500141 482266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbing < 1306500144 422338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these should really have separate pages < 1306500667 735776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306502613 436702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is busy reading a 44-page document by the US patent office (a proposed rejection of a patent upon reexamination), which summarises as "there's an existing patent on doing exactly what you do, with a local server rather than a set of external servers, or with a TV screen rather than a computer monitor; and those changes are really obvious" < 1306502640 975007 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1306502646 134423 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the USPTO doesn't reject patents < 1306502650 949188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's a reexamination < 1306502654 109851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patent was accepted the first time < 1306502662 974042 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my objection stands < 1306502674 215956 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do you care about this patent? < 1306502774 664251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm generally interested in this sort of thing < 1306502796 640241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my attention was attracted because it was recently used to sue something like 12 major website companies < 1306502807 444543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, companies which are particularly known for having websites < 1306502815 226770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with a few that aren't < 1306502822 699681 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1306502829 50052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just counted, it was actually only 11) < 1306502837 645539 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1306502868 273466 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the bit aobout the distinction between a TV and a monitor < 1306502885 780021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What patent? < 1306502906 815965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6033/1046/F2.large.jpg < 1306502926 787896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hits on the Periodic Table of Videos' video for each element.) < 1306502949 853730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6757682 < 1306502956 889997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way all the alkali metals have high views, presumably because the one thing everyone knows about them is that they explode in water. < 1306502963 351104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was hoping for a summary but okay :P < 1306502966 280958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically about showing information from remote servers on screensavers < 1306502971 250673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disseminating to a participant an indication that an item accessible by the participant via a network is of current interest is disclosed. An indication that the item is of current interest is received in real time. The indication is processed. The participant is informed that the item is of current interest. < 1306503038 252326 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do -any- of the Uu_ elements have hits at all < 1306503040 960122 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they really that interesting < 1306503042 681875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who own it are trying to use the vague summary to make it cover all non-locally-generated notifications whatsoever < 1306503083 748473 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wow < 1306503089 71122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, presumably because of people like me who binged the videos. < 1306503091 315890 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, fuck patenting really simple IT concepts < 1306503097 473517 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like multitouch < 1306503106 13814 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever else apple/windows/etc get into patent wars over < 1306503106 635077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that even if the patent were valid, it wouldn't apply to Google's website, whichever one it is of those they're suing over (they haven't said yet) < 1306503153 733722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers that the oxygen's videos oddly high number of hits may be because that was the video that they poured liquid oxygen on everything in. < 1306503159 556214 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :me irl right now http://wupcenter.mtu.edu/education/Ecology_of_the_Great_Lakes_03/13lamprey_hickey.jpg < 1306503175 502419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, is that actually you. < 1306503197 41799 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I have a lamprey on my head as I type this < 1306503198 463526 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me anything < 1306503207 652558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: have you ever seen a ghost < 1306503217 603137 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306503219 895534 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only lamprey ghosts < 1306503221 16681 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :next question < 1306503230 119871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why do -any- of the Uu_ elements have hits at all < 1306503234 843729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people looking for the weirdest video :D < 1306503249 294682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: how do you know when to stop wiping < 1306503254 649868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thats all the iama memes i remember < 1306503259 739367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill dip out of this qa session < 1306503272 505487 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306503305 801609 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306503365 820325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, so you do not in fact have the moustache of a demigod? < 1306503438 751590 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306503440 565382 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fool, it is you < 1306503442 982327 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the lamprey not the dude < 1306503446 210027 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me about being a lamprey < 1306503467 275437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: how do you know when to stop wiping < 1306503481 582349 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WIPING DON'T STOP TILL I WALK IN < 1306503526 500013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at that moment the channel reached its all-time intellectual peak < 1306503639 8956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1306503640 915980 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306503704 394311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no wait I shall pull the channel even higher. < 1306503708 226860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With exploding cake. < 1306503744 189972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js9_EhrjDD8 < 1306504549 735106 :Guest17101!~root@41.199.255.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306504639 157536 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1306504690 387420 :Guest17101!~root@41.199.255.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1306504697 829777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1306504943 790106 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306504951 703910 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080726123234AALUVFA < 1306504980 863423 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1306505022 188509 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the language which is *most* commonly found at the bottom of a bucket, which is...? < 1306505043 624058 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :java? C++? < 1306505054 819861 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh! is it visual basic? < 1306505070 646231 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. it occurs to me how rarely i look inside buckets. < 1306505084 161818 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a metaphorical bucket? < 1306505087 372343 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :This changes everything < 1306505353 691086 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306505355 953226 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.90 QUIT :Changing host < 1306505356 35131 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306505369 331088 :Guest17101!~root@41.199.255.18 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1306505373 762507 :Guest17101!~root@41.199.255.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306505588 818078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest17101: are you actually running your irc client as root < 1306505785 225770 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1306505823 765112 :Guest17101!~root@41.199.255.18 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306505867 895656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least one person I know uses root as their IRC username to scare people < 1306505871 874711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I've forgotten who it is < 1306505988 49824 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wanted to scare people, i would do that. i would also pick a nick like "Guest17101" < 1306506125 20102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "ZOMGMODULES" < 1306506836 670281 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "Crazy Frog" < 1306506857 508789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "ais523" < 1306506877 804160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is only scary because of its reputation < 1306506893 331008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its associated humbleness obvs < 1306508448 446542 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CINARA Is Not A Recursive Acronym < 1306508490 245102 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, I see cpressey finally got around to publishing Pail: http://catseye.tc/news.html#Pail_is_an_acceptable_Bizaaro[sic]-Pixley < 1306508556 942252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting < 1306508604 768895 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go so far to call it reprehensible < 1306508610 451431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1306508616 7209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reprehensipail < 1306508621 954633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also, I am now reeling at a discovery that has rocked my perception of the world. < 1306508630 873886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something vaguely interesting in Swindon. < 1306508638 26855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dramatic music] < 1306508648 594345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: so is pail the greatest language ever < 1306508654 59 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon) < 1306508672 310663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My conclusion: I must make a language based on roundabouts. < 1306508674 997304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't know of that? < 1306508677 309170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a strange man. < 1306508682 103372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A strange and racist man. < 1306508745 367460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: do i get a prize if i construct a racist caret w recursive function in pail < 1306508784 378653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...dammit, I'm seeing the background of catseye as a spacetime structure < 1306508928 691486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, please attend to this matter before I go insane. < 1306509273 721 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think such a feat deserves a prize of some sort < 1306509276 713792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy) < 1306509292 245576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: will it be free (ad-free) webspace like the creator of NETFUCK is offering < 1306509300 729846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant settle for anything less in value than that < 1306509305 893595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose to interpret this as the metals becoming sentient and attempting to overthrow their human masters. < 1306509307 758923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, bids must be plastic turd or higher < 1306509404 689284 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please stop sharing links that contain characters like ( that my terminal emulator doesn't understand are part of the URL to it takes me to wikipedia articles that don't exist then i am tempted to create them < 1306509417 471184 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so < 1306509434 619784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, sorry, should I URLencode them first? < 1306509450 542503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and lso kill a goat < 1306509460 68812 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just force wikipedia to disallow them < 1306509469 842463 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: plastic turd: good idea for prize < 1306509501 910087 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: even I knew about that magic roundabout, but it was via looking up the children's show < 1306509530 642463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roundabouts could make a nice language < 1306509625 281535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could, albeit in a roundabout way. < 1306509627 622084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps Rubicon should be retroactively converted back into an esolang < 1306509627 849490 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no recollection how i became aware of the children's show < 1306509632 803875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it seems to have deviated somewhat from vanilla RUBE < 1306509641 634636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to see if it's working again yet < 1306509668 817462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I still just get a blank screen < 1306509680 345219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be some bad interaction with this computer's version of Java < 1306509700 733942 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubicon is that bully CA? < 1306509809 318180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you may have openjdk jvm but no java plugin < 1306509816 410517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try installing the icedtea plugin package < 1306509827 988835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: RUBE is the bully CA, Rubicon is a computer game based on it < 1306509837 533993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based more loosely than I thought, actually, especially in the handling of dozers < 1306509869 717070 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1306509871 123776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's apparently already installed < 1306509874 842357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do get messages saying it's loading < 1306509877 423179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just never actually loads < 1306509921 98456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doesn't work if I try a different browser < 1306510024 802277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs fine for me < 1306510033 228521 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome, windows XP, latest version of java and JDK < 1306510047 570061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>windows < 1306510050 335776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :found your problem :-P < 1306511092 314789 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1306511226 852195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306511898 893796 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306512154 21598 :lameNOT!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306512320 123010 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306512904 728205 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-248-157.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306512907 973773 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306513308 987807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306513671 341604 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you good at Perl? < 1306513696 421598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not amazingly, but it's a language I've used quite a bit < 1306513777 73454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't use it much, yet I still beat you at the Deadfish anagol challenge (without using cheats). Try harder. < 1306513793 515711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ais523 you SUCK < 1306513795 210857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should feel bad < 1306513798 75918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do better or you're worthless < 1306513809 883859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not very good at golfing < 1306513828 342627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly use anarchy golf as programming practice, rather than in a serious attempt to win < 1306513915 131982 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. < 1306513926 439332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o! < 1306514028 634869 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you *did* use cheats, post a non-cheating submission with (genuine) after your name. < 1306514143 359373 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed at Perl, C, and JavaScript, but beat everyone at AWK and Bash. Do you know any things about AWK? < 1306514302 31594 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306514307 798005 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only found one cheat and it only helped me at JavaScript (I marked with (cheat)) which I still lost at. < 1306514382 179491 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if dc didn't have the bug in it, I would have won at dc as well, but there is a bug in dc which prevents my program from working. < 1306514393 739996 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug? < 1306514456 910254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of a unknown command, the error message (except for the "dc: " prefix) is sent to stdout instead of stderr. < 1306514522 337178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program I have results in a lot of other error messages too but they all send to stderr (which is proper) so it does not cause the problem. < 1306514532 941943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will show you the code: [0sac]dsOx[p]3:;[1+]1:;[dd/-]2:;[d*]0:;[3O2?O+%I~;;Adiolarxd256=Osalox]dsox < 1306514639 714182 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :solaris dc appears to send all errors to stdout < 1306514696 306847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is GNU dc, however. GNU dc sends all errors to stderr except for that one error, which I am sure is a bug. < 1306514716 812193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you reported it? < 1306514724 118535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1306514732 92317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should. < 1306514733 911400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1306514746 386939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unsure how. < 1306514778 84787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably not too difficult to fix, however. < 1306514805 107346 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dc manual appears to have a "reporting bugs" section: http://www.gnu.org/software/bc/manual/dc-1.05/html_mono/dc.html#SEC11 < 1306514809 957665 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice. < 1306514822 478347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "man dc" says "Email bug reports to bug-dc@gnu.org." < 1306514822 697639 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can that be. there are no bugs in dc. < 1306514879 46804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306514893 840920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: There is one. < 1306514979 625510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais-logreading: zzo refuses to use email < 1306515021 398136 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how, but how can that be < 1306515062 286981 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306515116 424311 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: STOP BEING WEIRD < 1306515143 201328 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :Adiolarxd256 < 1306515181 652741 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306515194 64619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306515211 250817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1306515249 369215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Adiolarxd256 < 1306515259 743616 :Adiolarxd256!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :salox dsox, elliott < 1306515277 654203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsadlk < 1306515336 883381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306515392 813592 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the mistake. It is on line 519 of dc/eval.c should be change from dc_show_id(stdout, to dc_show_id(stderr, and then hopefully it can work OK. < 1306515441 878686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So send a patch. < 1306515765 47743 :Adiolarxd256!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK bark BARK BARK bark BARK BARK BARK BARK MOOOOOO BARK. < 1306516039 586510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was just about to ask a pail question too < 1306516520 753162 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1306517311 998529 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306517450 485142 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306518155 419072 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306518250 880165 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1306518523 46176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autotup: on a scale of 1 to "Fuck you", how bad of an idea is it? < 1306518531 501487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :carps < 1306520345 555622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I finally ended up installing Firefox 4.0... < 1306520357 785166 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MADE CHROMIUM LOOK MORE NATIVE YOU ASSHOLES < 1306520403 193608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox four's menu button is ... interesting. < 1306520413 457775 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHROMIUM LOOKS LIKE NATIVE ASSHOLES GARRRR!!!! < 1306520441 644905 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP WITH THE CUSTOM WIDGETS PEOPLE < 1306520462 581405 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget about it and then can't find the menu :( < 1306520470 352675 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must it be so damned hard to just get a decent web browser that *fits into the damned UI*? < 1306520489 5253 :Herobrine!~Herobrine@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306520506 276725 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306520553 918871 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a cycle in UI design < 1306520580 334563 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make everything custom (Winamp), then eventually the WM's widgets catch up a bit and then things look more native for a while (OS X stuff) < 1306520593 815068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is because there isn't decent web browser < 1306520640 795590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the program is designed for specific operating system, you should use native widgets, otherwise just use the program you make so that it can work on cross-platform. < 1306520705 990802 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should always strive to make it appear native. < 1306520739 129301 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do otherwise is to just arrogant. < 1306520757 956248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, I know, it looks like nothing else here, BUT MY PROGRAM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIRS!" < 1306520766 949467 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking bastards. < 1306520769 842362 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do kind of like the tabs up in the title bar... < 1306520831 56295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tabs in the title bar are nice but it should be the WM's job. < 1306520833 590500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be. < 1306520838 611777 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, should be < 1306520878 428937 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306520892 395950 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next round of WM's will have that feature < 1306520895 381601 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the cycle ;) < 1306520908 641577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they already do. < 1306520911 797623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND LET ME SCROLL WHEEL TO CHANGE TABS DAMMIT < 1306520915 810949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on X that is :P < 1306520935 620410 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should make it *be* native (just looking native is not sufficient) if you are writing the program for the specific OS or windowing system or whatever, but otherwise just do whatever works for the program you are writing if it needs cross-platform, if it would result in difficulties by trying to port to different systems each native one being different enoughto require many things changed too much. < 1306520944 381738 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE NOT FUCKING CLEVER FOR HAVING YOUR PROGRAM HAVE DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR. < 1306520949 401766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE JUST A FUCKING ASS. < 1306520961 522843 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306520975 233266 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with you 95% of the time, pikhq_ < 1306520996 790824 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately everyone thinks they're the other 5% < 1306521003 25474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few *simple* expectations in my program. First, it looks like it belongs with the rest of the programs. Second, it *acts like it*. < 1306521028 963978 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really should *not* be too much to ask for the widgets in this program to interact with the user in the same manner that *every other widget* does. < 1306521060 557485 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306521487 212773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I suppose that is reasonable. However what is the case if you cannot do that due to differences of systems that are too different and causes too much of mistakes? In case it is HTML then of course you can use "native" commands such as and