and so on, and if the program is GTK you can probably also make forms that are cross-platform. < 1306521529 792757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then perhaps you should stop being too clever for your own good. < 1306521546 988384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for other things, you have to see if you want cross-platform or for a single system only or whatever, you can decide how to make. < 1306521563 667019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't meet bare-minimum usability requirements, maybe you shouldn't make the program. < 1306521596 723167 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I avoid all of this problem by making command-line programs. < 1306521631 225574 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that actually does make portability simpler. < 1306521682 145012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUI can then be added on to it by someone else if you want to, and there might even be more than one such GUI program to choose from. < 1306521869 196690 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: 1... 2... 3... HUGS! :D < 1306521886 138180 :Lymia!~moe@123.120.134.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306521886 220217 :Lymia!~moe@123.120.134.215 QUIT :Changing host < 1306521886 220362 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1306522475 253863 :cheater__!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-233-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an ext3 file system, i have an inode number, and i want to find out the fs block numbers that this inode occupies. how can i do that? < 1306522575 758973 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugfs (in read-only mode it's vaguely safe even for mounted filesystems) can probably do it. < 1306522599 183037 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most commands accept inode numbers with a syntax like <42>. < 1306522686 968481 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least some "bmap" command for physical blocks. < 1306522777 463682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey what's the glut package in Debian called. < 1306522911 604481 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freeglut's in freeglut3(-dev); it's mostly compatible and I think somewhat better. < 1306522974 614432 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that is has replace the old GLUT packages anyway. < 1306523144 903862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK I have those but I still get < 1306523147 484723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local/lib/GLUT-2.1.2.1/ghc-7.0.3/libHSGLUT-2.1.2.1.a(HsGLUT.o): In function `hs_GLUT_getProcAddress': < 1306523153 564979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HsGLUT.c:(.text+0x41): undefined reference to `glutGetProcAddress' < 1306523153 647047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local/lib/GLUT-2.1.2.1/ghc-7.0.3/libHSGLUT-2.1.2.1.a(HsGLUT.o):(.rodata+0x0): undefined reference to `glutBitmap8By13' < 1306523153 647133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local/lib/GLUT-2.1.2.1/ghc-7.0.3/libHSGLUT-2.1.2.1.a(HsGLUT.o):(.rodata+0x8): undefined reference to `glutBitmap9By15' < 1306523153 647173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1306523153 647215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local/lib/GLUT-2.1.2.1/ghc-7.0.3/libHSGLUT-2.1.2.1.a(Window.o): In function `sbL1_info': < 1306523154 218818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.text+0xba0): undefined reference to `glutGet' < 1306523155 793002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local/lib/GLUT-2.1.2.1/ghc-7.0.3/libHSGLUT-2.1.2.1.a(Window.o): In function `sbL1_info': < 1306523157 677871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1306523159 375492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which WORRIES ME. < 1306523278 5593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1306523305 585366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1306523332 146396 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is weird; at least freeglut's autogenerated API docs say it has a glutGetProcAddress, and that the "normal" GLUT does not include the function. < 1306523355 148421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has thousands of those lines, so yeah. < 1306523499 224364 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1306523718 952814 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306523751 955756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is really strange. < 1306523755 533548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-217-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306523756 387525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like it isn't linking with glut at all. < 1306523783 815589 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, breaking is what build systems sort of "do". < 1306523808 842449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "ghc --make". :p < 1306524535 700965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to debug a space leak in this Brainfuck compiler from a while back...
< 1306524623 773889 :pouns_!~pouns@lns-bzn-51f-62-147-196-58.adsl.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306524643 793850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single pass of the optimiser takes a good 100M of space. < 1306524651 184758 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... on LostKng) < 1306524659 740951 :pouns_!~pouns@lns-bzn-51f-62-147-196-58.adsl.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1306524673 787934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is the resulting code faster? < 1306524689 181020 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes. < 1306524696 347042 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the compiler itself has a space leak. < 1306524699 757761 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere. < 1306524701 643889 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory leak* < 1306524716 186712 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't seem to be because of thunks... < 1306524733 959366 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heap profile is showing a gigantic chunk of GHC primitive types. < 1306524812 845141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, entirely consisting of GHC primitive types. < 1306524845 891707 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it'd work better if I could somehow get this thing to be stream fused. < 1306525038 64102 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, probably not going to be too easy, seeing as I'd like to be able to look at at least 2 different values of the list at the same time. :/ < 1306525613 47201 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I could get these as a freaking map. < 1306525696 852051 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1306526181 703019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1306526181 960876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1306526183 375773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is talking < 1306526185 941694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you on testing < 1306526292 991371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is on testing
< 1306526309 409649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it stableish right now < 1306526319 24912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1306526332 240626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth trying with a macbook air? :P < 1306526344 714807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh i dunno how many of these drivers < 1306526347 682790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are ubuntu-specific < 1306526355 633870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster < 1306526377 100003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This remains the most unsettlingly funny tragedy to date. < 1306526552 462604 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what pass? < 1306526571 697940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phpsadness.com/ < 1306526573 674761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is my equivalent list < 1306526578 113545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 PHP < 1306526589 220239 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you are processing the entire code as a whole < 1306527242 817406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Tang_(SS-306) < 1306527262 237719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only imagine what went through the minds of the Japanese onlookers when it sank. < 1306527436 718946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you reading some Cracked article "ten stupidest demises of things/people" or something. < 1306527454 991669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths < 1306527469 535755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1926: Phillip McClean,16, from Queensland, Australia became the only person documented to have been killed by a cassowary. After encountering the bird on their family property, McClean and his brother decided to kill it with clubs. When McClean struck the bird it knocked him down, then kicked him in the neck, opening a 1.25 cm long cut in one of his main blood vessels. Though the boy managed to get back on his feet and run away, he collapsed a sh < 1306527470 193626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ort while later and died from the hemorrhage.[55] < 1306527593 273119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yeah, iterating over the entire list... < 1306527635 249394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1974: Basil Brown, a 48-year-old health food advocate from Croydon, drank himself to death with carrot juice.[90][91]" < 1306527637 666806 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I suppose if I were a bit more clever I could get this as a fold... < 1306527646 164093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than primitive recursion. < 1306527670 889083 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, so what optimization are you applying? < 1306527724 586919 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306527815 829011 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some basic RLE, identifying a few common setting idioms, and trying to combine pointer movements into the instructions... < 1306527854 920892 :CakeProphet!~adam@h177.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306527856 3840 :CakeProphet!~adam@h177.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1306527856 85712 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1306527877 652130 :Aune!~arne@sheppard.lysator.liu.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1306527917 733890 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :Kallisti < 1306527922 102702 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With it doing a single pass over LostKng, it takes 3 seconds and takes something like 100M of space... < 1306527926 156488 :Kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :CakeProphet < 1306527949 403218 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1306528004 520684 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With it finding the fixed point of the optimisation, well... < 1306528037 280049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1978: Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian dissident, was assassinated in London with a specially modified umbrella that fired a metal pellet with a small cavity full of ricin into his calf.[98] < 1306528069 634588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1979: Robert Williams, a worker at a Ford Motor Co. plant, was the first known human to be killed by a robot" -- I feel the rest of the line is superfluous < 1306528097 447096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same amount of memory, takes 2 minutes 14 seconds. < 1306528135 434063 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like me to pastebin? < 1306528207 814349 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is the original input a (bare) list of something? < 1306528235 647081 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: The original input is the output of a Brainfuck parser. < 1306528321 510430 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i meant that it uses just a plain list or some fancy data structure to store the commands < 1306528332 968267 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a plain list. < 1306528412 238923 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that the entire process is not tail-recursive? < 1306528437 913162 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme just pastebin. < 1306528445 379789 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. < 1306528450 431497 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KWTJ < 1306528461 79016 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just didn't understand what to pastebin) < 1306528470 472343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1978: Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian dissident, was assassinated in London with a specially modified umbrella that fired a metal pellet with a small cavity full of ricin into his calf.[98] <-- which page is this from? < 1306528491 967498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths < 1306528495 698854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1306528496 219215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :morbid fun < 1306528505 195486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : With it doing a single pass over LostKng, it takes 3 seconds and takes something like 100M of space... <-- what software? < 1306528524 4950 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Brainfuck compiler I wrote in Haskell a while back that I'm tinkering with now. < 1306528539 316485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, aiming to beat esotope-bfc? < 1306528550 201558 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, not even close to doing that. < 1306528556 32023 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.data+0x354): undefined reference to `mtlzm1zi1zi0zi2_ControlziMonadziStateziLazzy_zdfMonadStatesState_closure' < 1306528559 158957 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1306528573 87907 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :crud, I've accidentally been productive today < 1306528579 980153 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is a deepseq package enough for building it? < 1306528588 104438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, did you ever do that SSA thing in esotope-bfc that you talked about? < 1306528595 390671 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never. < 1306528598 397351 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need mtl. < 1306528603 926938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, plan on doing it at any point? < 1306528621 266907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you have a ISO standard for Washizu Mahjong gloves? < 1306528638 363996 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: definitely, but not yet. < 1306528654 584472 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm good at planning and lazy at executing ;) < 1306528661 407538 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as everyone does) < 1306528703 54139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just have < 1306528704 650045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so you are not running a RTOS? < 1306528712 207432 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-k and C-j should not be so close. < 1306528719 982877 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one non-interesting bit: PyPy does not improve esotope-bfc significantly over CPython (55s vs 52.5s). < 1306528749 802503 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, the load average consistently hitting 10 or so. < 1306528753 807865 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sneaking suspicion there's at least *some* issue in the codeGen function, though... < 1306528782 851781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about cython? < 1306528784 75704 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably make it use ST instead of State. < 1306528789 679340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, of course that will require some changes < 1306528793 113805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :def -> cdef and so on < 1306528802 564268 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if that'd help, though. :/ < 1306528828 854680 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i doubt cython will improve the performance significantly. < 1306528858 931193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I found it much better than pypy if you spend some time at it < 1306528863 165048 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the current data structure is straightforward and not very tailored for performance < 1306528880 158604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, just changing that to a cdefed structure will probably help a lot < 1306528892 648287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding types to arguments < 1306528939 248831 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1306528953 199792 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, for computation bound stuff it can help a lot. I converted an Othello AI (using alpha-beta pruning) from python to cython. Was able to switch from 4 ply to 7 ply without it becomming excessively slow < 1306529002 808204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, cython has a useful thing that generates a html file of the source indicating by colour for each line how many calls to python are required < 1306529009 693833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, definitely something up with the codeGen function. < 1306529025 271121 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, cython should be good at it. the problem is that esotope-bfc quite depends on the built-in data structures of python, that is not one that can be optimized by cython < 1306529027 909131 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, found that useful. Was able to get it to generate quite passable C code with a little bit of effort < 1306529039 478213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, which one? < 1306529051 763897 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of dict, for example. < 1306529062 853691 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dicts and sets* < 1306529064 941823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm. I forgot if it can optimise those < 1306529069 750853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can optimises lists certainly < 1306529074 173660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tuples iirc < 1306529084 804025 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, lists and tuples are relatively easy to rewrite < 1306529092 57935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, you can convert some structures to fixed length arrays < 1306529102 811658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helped a LOT for the internal state of that thing I converted iirc < 1306529128 513216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that AI for an assignment at university, AI course. < 1306529137 320067 :atrapado!~rod@46.6.93.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306529140 955956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :python was prescribed < 1306529165 892292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I handed in both the cython and python versions and then wrote a section pointing out the piss poor performance of python in the report iirc < 1306529178 981228 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be useful to convert the Expr into cython, as it is quite computation-intensive compared to other parts of esotope-bfc < 1306529190 306391 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for other things, it won't. < 1306529192 137884 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306529196 974457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm < 1306529200 497237 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i tried PyPy out < 1306529214 449649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try psyco? retro, i know, but < 1306529218 381646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, have any experience with cython? I learned it quite well back then. < 1306529219 731147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still does better than pypy at some things iir < 1306529220 309417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1306529222 892162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes very retro. < 1306529229 824650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x86-32 only iirc < 1306529246 354153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you need sixtyfour bit for bf compilation < 1306529248 384976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, psyco used to do wonders for portage's dependency calculations I remember < 1306529252 722700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1306529256 857645 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the tracing JIT compiler can inline internal routines for built-in data structures (at least PyPy does so) < 1306529278 68454 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1306529285 839761 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i *was* using psyco when the esotope-bfc was actively developed. < 1306529294 779564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, to be fair cython special cases some built in functions such as abs() and quite a few more < 1306529326 297437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it look like ? < 1306529327 238242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax looks like very simplified ALGOL 68 with elements taken from Lua and SQL. < 1306529343 879949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you talking about? < 1306529350 102451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Agena < 1306529350 568446 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python-esque syntax, if you meant cython. < 1306529364 245353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1306529370 717221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a quote < 1306529409 781850 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most outstanding problem with esotope-bfc now is, that i almost forgot the details of source code :S < 1306529433 907635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, maybe convert it to haskell? < 1306529439 439170 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1306529443 186404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, why not < 1306529464 469396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what happened to that language google made < 1306529470 728934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even forgot the name of it < 1306529472 369638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, Go? < 1306529473 646663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google didn't make it. < 1306529474 512431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1306529476 57321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1306529482 54516 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or make it a part of esotope. < 1306529483 700777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, how was google involved? < 1306529486 838500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still going just as it was. < 1306529492 721631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everyone who made it works at google (twenty percent time project) < 1306529497 737343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they did a little bit of marketing of it < 1306529498 804035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and supported it in app engine < 1306529501 777897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, well, I somehow think it will get more attention as a free standing project < 1306529504 239566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the people working on it were all plan 9/unix people < 1306529509 823075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, for full optimisation and so on < 1306529525 531122 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be correct, i'm not decided on it. < 1306529530 222812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not like it's hard to just grab an esotope repo and just use the bf thing < 1306529532 169298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay but what happened to Go? < 1306529538 206890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo esotope is more interesting if it has some kind of common backend though < 1306529544 72452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all esolangs benefit from the advanced optimisation < 1306529545 614147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nothing? < 1306529562 271873 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible that i can make an optimization portion a library, and esotope just uses it < 1306529600 340214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that all esolangs benefit from the advanced optimisation <-- good luck, different languages allow widely different optimisations. Most that work on bf wouldn't work on piet or befunge for example (well, very few things work on befunge to be fair, but you get my point) < 1306529610 574171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make the new kind if D&D campaign setting? I have some ideas. Some of it is based on a computer game I once made but other things are differently. One difference is any creature (except for angels, devils, and demons) can have any alignment with no bias. Other differences including the gods, regions, planes, and some of the classes. And a few other things. < 1306529625 687999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well yes, that's why you'd have a bunch of "declarations" at the start < 1306529633 688488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, saying what? < 1306529633 770065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you'd say it has a right-infinite tape-with-pointer < 1306529638 757740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd optimise operations with it based on that < 1306529647 269376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IO operations would be tagged appropriately, so that they could be used as optimisation barriers < 1306529648 175092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1306529673 90572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well okay. But I'm not sure how well that will work. brainfuck can be optimised across IO for example. As long as you don't touch the same cell. < 1306529673 947643 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i once thought of it but gave up. such an intermediate language is very hard to define. < 1306529683 657838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: True. < 1306529686 336478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be interesting :) < 1306529696 463762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically I'm saying the diversity is way too large for this to work well < 1306529709 826316 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i instead took up an approach of language-to-language translation < 1306529732 967370 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages like brainfuck has an AST which is somewhat more powerful than the original language < 1306529736 763055 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for exactly that reason < 1306529740 187844 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have* < 1306529749 96900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, you hardly hear anything about Go nowdays it seems. There was a few weeks of hype about it. Then nothing. < 1306529754 109711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :were* < 1306529797 767683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same with everything in the general information channels < 1306529809 439508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1306530670 574066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any feature request/suggestion of TeXnicard? One if my ideas is that it ought to support some sort of indexed relational database which you can use for such things as storing all the cards of all sets and searching. Another idea is supporting character encoding translation tables. And one more thing is river demerits. < 1306530938 207338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you build in the spanish inquistion < 1306530956 598612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it need the Spanish Inquisition? < 1306531035 642457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306531165 35194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306531197 253210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1306531245 873717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it need river demerits? < 1306531261 583647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you would asking for help in maintaining feeping creaturinsm < 1306531366 639629 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to add a whole bunch of overly complicated and useless stuff that doesn't belong. But I do want to add the useful kind of things, because character encoding should be dealt with if you need to make cards with different languages! < 1306531410 94011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1306531423 903258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want to make it easier for asian people to do what they want in it < 1306531437 638957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't want to make it easier for the spaniards to have an inquisition in it < 1306531484 477979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can't say i didn't expect that < 1306531498 647374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you' < 1306531509 396727 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1306531512 249853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :re so predictable. why don't you do something unexpected with it? < 1306531563 964566 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306531896 807196 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need videos, TrueType, HTTP, JavaScript, a GameBoy emulator, spell check, audio, animated pictures on cards, DRM, watermarking, WYSIWYG, Lisp interpreter, Emacs, musical typesetting, support for Microsoft Word, a package manager, direct access to Apprentice, or anything else like that. < 1306531992 199230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is designed for making card games, not for making inquisitions! However, having character encoding support might allow typing in Spanish, if you want to. And then maybe you can even make card game related to Spanish Inquisition, too, if you want to. < 1306532003 30244 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have UTF-8, no question < 1306532107 491442 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-123.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306532123 639866 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, you are right about that. It is my plan for the character encoding mode to support UTF-8, although the mappings must still be specified in your input files. I can make it parse UTF-8 into numbers, but I am not going to include all sorts of complicated Unicode tables in my program. Those things have to be done in the input files. < 1306532175 28887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-133.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1306532243 384695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about an SNES emulator? < 1306532273 1256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doesn't need it. < 1306532280 42260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but yeah just use UTF-8 for encoding. Nothing else needs to be supported really < 1306532298 230078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anyway why not TrueType support. What sort of fonts do you currently support? < 1306532318 347771 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, just single-byte and UTF-8; that's all. (Anything else can be converted using an external program) < 1306532345 659244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, for single byte surely just handling at UTF-8 will be enough. If it is ascii only that is < 1306532345 741430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The font formats currently supported is TFM/GF only. Other formats can be converted into TFM/GF using FreeType or something like that. < 1306532359 600133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, TFM? GF? < 1306532368 349471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what either of these are < 1306532371 169308 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<}< < 1306532397 119085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anyway don't you render to TeX in it? In which case surely you could support anything tex can handle. Which for xetex includes Truetype < 1306532399 617151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TFM is a format for font metrics data (the glyphs are not included), and GF is a bitmap font format. < 1306532426 327212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, ? < 1306532460 572341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The first design did render to TeX in it, and you still can create arbitrary output files (which can be rendered using TeX), although now I am putting it its own internal typesetting and image manipulation so that the program can work by itself. < 1306532473 460198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why, why not reuse tex < 1306532478 767679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result will likely look better < 1306532500 968092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using similar algorithms to TeX (except with greater precision)! < 1306532503 222146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anyway if it doesn't use TeX any more, surely you should remove TeX from the name of it? < 1306532646 620577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still based on TeX and still can use TeX; it is just that it includes its own stuff now. < 1306532688 88641 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it isn't TeX, it is a different program. And I also just don't want to change the name. < 1306532759 957190 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it is based on TeX and still supporting TeX. < 1306532789 1971 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you should be able to create any file using the features for creating arbitrary output files) < 1306533284 977776 :atrapado!~rod@46.6.93.71 QUIT :Quit: FIN < 1306533365 715917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fetches the code for lifthrasiir's esotope-bfc
< 1306533408 717144 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, if you do use TeX externally, it has to then convert DVI to PNG format, and not only does XeTeX not output DVI, but the GF files are still needed in order to do the conversion.) < 1306533735 599341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no need to go through dvi. Just go do pdf with pdftex. Then print those out < 1306533838 766868 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306533883 584482 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm -OO to python makes esotope-bfc on lostking take 1:20 instead of 0:59 for me < 1306533885 80809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1306533894 430940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is elliott when you need him < 1306533940 136195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (p[10]) { < 1306533940 354901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[10] = p[10]-1; < 1306533940 436952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[16] = p[10]+1; < 1306533940 437117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1306533941 304757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1306533951 946989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my program would have optimised that heh < 1306533998 697914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe not < 1306533999 471819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1306534040 816126 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, another way of using the program, also includes making a TeX file output and then printing with pdfTeX. There are many ways to do these kind of things. < 1306534042 289481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is a really weird loop < 1306534059 544212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see, p[16] will always end up at 1 at the end I think < 1306534063 579380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p[10] at 0 < 1306534073 574409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my program would have constant folded that I think < 1306534477 934700 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1306534554 441353 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-108-245.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1306535575 493155 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-75.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306535715 544585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-205-123.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1306536083 315471 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-206-75.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1306536087 982874 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306536098 69712 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-93.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1306536130 289981 :TOGoS!~Stevens@h69-128-42-2.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net PART :#esoteric < 1306538142 969185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1306538145 559385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1306538407 378933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this work? $-*=/o/?print$-,$/:($-+=/i/-/d/||$-*~-$-)!~56for<> < 1306538408 183944 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           | < 1306538408 580215 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-4-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          /| < 1306538563 117189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-145.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, via myndzi. < 1306538592 922821 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does !~56 near the end do in Perl? < 1306538904 997577 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make cheating one in AWK, I made the shorter one like this: sub(/o/,x=x*(x>0&&x-256)*x^/s/+/i/-/d/) as opposed to the non-cheating one which is one byte longer and like that: {x+=/i/-/d/;o=/o/;$0=x*=(x%16>0)*x^/s/}o < 1306538974 140015 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/non-// < 1306539173 546059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! One reason why adam's Perl code is too long is because there is a line break at the end. < 1306539196 128929 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-209-250.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1306539352 264459 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-145.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1306539823 227350 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: YES CARRIER < 1306540019 953693 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :no_one < 1306540023 233997 :no_one!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :no-one < 1306540030 624332 :no-one!~ec@174.129.205.205 NICK :micahjohnston