< 1305504519 905527 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305504907 481105 :_kiwi_!~Administr@CPE-124-185-16-254.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1305505841 583776 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-11-2.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305505932 636684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1305506198 258318 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*What the hell* is going on. < 1305506235 425254 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regards to what? < 1305506244 30667 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfwm4 is not starting. < 1305506284 37243 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305506291 726029 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you meant something like terrorists < 1305506294 872658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305506306 380546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: xfwm4 sucks anyway :( < 1305506311 502121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you have click to focus on, then scroll-wheel focuses < 1305506428 347748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines" < 1305506429 482424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stanislav. < 1305506430 766542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your titling. < 1305506433 252249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is ridiculous. < 1305506703 782596 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305506859 942339 :_kiwi_!~Administr@CPE-124-185-16-254.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au PART #esoteric :"Leaving." < 1305506934 434273 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. A fork of KDE3 is still maintained; *tempting*. < 1305506940 143417 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oooh < 1305506943 196510 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's its name? < 1305506950 96197 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trinity < 1305506990 522664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've talked to the maintainer of that < 1305506993 145518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems nice enough :P < 1305507707 961472 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarkenenkohan minä ulkona näillä vaatteilla? < 1305508212 446639 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305508582 775491 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed! < 1305509530 814757 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305509605 608984 :Vorpal_!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1305510707 634091 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-11-2.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305510776 601322 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-24-72.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305510883 58330 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305512417 757719 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win! < 1305512438 211541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me way too much of a Christian song I heard once < 1305512445 72214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a catchy rythm though < 1305512463 299966 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? < 1305512547 726095 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Christian song? < 1305512586 834694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find it, hold on < 1305512609 645266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Feather&curid=3601&diff=22891&oldid=20446 < 1305512610 285836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305512611 179095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRHiEbCKIE < 1305512626 19484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning: It's... very ... uh) < 1305512627 730719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki just asked me to solve 92 + 0 < 1305512630 553698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard < 1305512675 416093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this is amazing Sgeo < 1305512690 104734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I mean the title, not the video < 1305512699 175078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Live Free" < 1305512708 944364 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305512729 474686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thsi is amazing its so bad < 1305512744 242366 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha I win even more than "hemflit" < 1305512760 649768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat < 1305512766 264992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh anagolf < 1305512791 118297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like the musical sounds, even if the lyrics are a bit... creepy < 1305512884 169143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you try? (O, wait, I think you can't, isn't it?) < 1305512903 417582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Try what? < 1305512915 565990 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can win even more? < 1305512922 860567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why couldn't I? < 1305512938 94967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I'm rank 129. < 1305512938 210846 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some of the keys on your computer are broken? < 1305512940 661952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun rebəl () (take-too-seriously 'bible)) < 1305512951 744002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can insert digits in other ways, it just takes a little longer. < 1305512963 413951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then perhaps you can. < 1305512972 492153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mostly skipped anagolf lately because the challenges have been boring. < 1305512990 262195 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean the Deadfish challenge to be specific, that is the one I win at AWK < 1305513022 559646 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I did not win at C but maybe I can try harder and see if I can eventually win, or maybe not < 1305513085 280482 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you think some of challenges have been boring, then make a new one if you know how to make something more interesting < 1305513173 896444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you win at Forth? < 1305513464 665783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, he argues against Philisophical relativism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zBcXKVaFg8 < 1305513722 12167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He attempts to blow off secular humanism in a similar way :/. That argument was clearly crap, maybe his argument against relativism is similarly crap? < 1305513724 176149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1305513869 863236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there musical TFM format? If not, maybe I can invent it same as normal TFM format, just with different meanings for the font dimension parameters and so on < 1305514508 697157 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-24-72.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305514916 604372 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-126-158.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305515079 978942 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305515517 749778 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so, so very freaky talking to my dad now. < 1305515539 448382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1305515547 311810 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes immense self-restraint to not just shout "Your very premises about reality are demonstrably wrong!" < 1305515557 450765 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that way too < 1305515601 153562 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made worse by how I have yet to even say that I'm an atheist to him, for fear of never hearing the end of it from everyone around me. < 1305515722 86466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father is atheist < 1305515751 819260 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1305515768 646682 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-126-158.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305515774 524507 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father is a fundamentalist Christian, and believes in a loving, omnipotent, smiting deity. < 1305515790 968201 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, benevolent and smiting. < 1305515859 53266 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he's a young-earth creationist. < 1305515868 861231 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh < 1305515912 811918 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my whole family is catholic (but im atheist) < 1305515947 71703 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very hard to believe that considering the gigantic towers of evidence in favor of an old, *old* Earth in an even older universe. < 1305515966 52142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more annoyed my my step-mom's insistance that I only date Jewish girls, that I go to Israel for some time, etc. < 1305515990 195394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "I refuse to reside in an apartheid state." is the proper answer to the latter. < 1305516075 111471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely attempts to get Chicken Scheme working < 1305516091 330378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _still_ haven't settled on a LISP-family language < 1305516214 370898 :ralc!~ralc@79.142.230.243.static.knet.bolignet.dk QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305516256 867613 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to settle on one, do you? < 1305516262 649633 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just learn a bunch of them < 1305516294 469936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not writing 3 AW SDK bindings for 3 similar yet different languages... < 1305516304 452161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets shot by everyone in this channel. < 1305516367 802394 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :切腹して! < 1305516376 461575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 < 1305516385 632510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know whether to curse XChat or Windows < 1305516393 626019 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1305516436 928317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like a Linux distro with a working battery meter on this computer -- i.e., doesn't break when I don't deactivate ACPI (or is it ACIP, or APIC, I can never remember?) < 1305516472 525164 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know battery meters were coupled with distros < 1305516483 328051 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305516490 500720 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you insane or have you only tried sucky distros < 1305516509 105861 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, kanji. ;-; < 1305516536 801352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that distros are somewhat coupled with "Does ACPI work or will the OS fail to boot if I don't deactivate it?" < 1305516602 568999 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Oh, boohoo. Only take you a month or two of dedicated study. < 1305516612 118798 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would acpi not work < 1305516615 573024 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at becoming dedicated. < 1305516615 897031 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1305516617 462926 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: But lemme transcribe that for you. < 1305516622 38248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: せっぷくして! < 1305516626 201445 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that even a distro problem < 1305516634 781388 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Kernel problem. < 1305516638 966712 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what I thought < 1305516639 465842 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BIOS problem. < 1305516644 750522 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too I guess < 1305516647 934398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wget: command not found" < 1305516659 479009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION angers in MinGW's general direction < 1305516672 834368 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACPI is one of the few cases where the BIOS has *any* influence on the system after the boot sector has been loaded into memory. < 1305516673 732762 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess we know why it says "Min" now. < 1305516677 32012 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a modern system) < 1305516715 508141 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why would it have wget? MinGW itself only really has a GCC port and headers, and msys only has enough of a POSIX system to get the GNU build system to work. < 1305516724 440612 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: could you get a fancy kernel to fix your problem < 1305516737 106091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, if I had any idea how.. < 1305516748 652319 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what, exactly, I'm looking for, besides "Works" < 1305516761 32160 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you told google your problem < 1305516774 63140 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What he'd want to fix his problem is a large quantity of troubleshooting. < 1305516797 572318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution that I found a while ago was to disable acpi. < 1305516798 290224 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, given that he's got a failure to boot, it seems plausible he'd need a kernel debugging setup to make any meaningful progress. < 1305516809 762047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acpi=off or was it noacpi < 1305516814 879208 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acpi=off. < 1305516856 738189 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305517181 231655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Made worse by how I have yet to even say that I'm an atheist to him, for fear of never hearing the end of it from everyone around me. < 1305517197 862751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "I don't really feel very religious" is an easier way to phrase it I think < 1305517213 133569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some anathema in America to the word "atheist" that seemingly isn't associated with actually being an atheist, just identifying as "atheist" < 1305517221 182305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People in #math seem to be assuming that everyone that comes in there is a genius, and fail to realize that someone who asked a question may not realize a subtely in their response < 1305517223 221825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, he's a young-earth creationist. < 1305517226 162555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Then you're fucked. < 1305517241 597366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm more annoyed my my step-mom's insistance that I only date Jewish girls, that I go to Israel for some time, etc. < 1305517241 830413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: "I refuse to reside in an apartheid state." is the proper answer to the latter. < 1305517242 427213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1305517278 169748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "wget: command not found" < 1305517279 682347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo angers in MinGW's general direction < 1305517285 546384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingw is a gcc port, not a posix library < 1305517304 658875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : People in #math seem to be assuming that everyone that comes in there is a genius, and fail to realize that someone who asked a question may not realize a subtely in their response < 1305517311 76974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they realise it's not the case but don't give a shit. < 1305517338 83927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody in #math will be a genius. well maybe a few people. but the standard for genius is quite high. < 1305517350 506643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean they're not geniuses but assume the askers are geniuses < 1305517357 857286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could only manifest as... grovelling? < 1305517363 477858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sorry < 1305517365 928474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not what I meant < 1305517369 437222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr dog < 1305517395 26860 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ahahahah*. < 1305517409 160934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1305517409 674354 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My processor has the following serial number: "To Be Filled By O.E.M." < 1305517421 367232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :D < 1305517510 538560 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's pretty insane the amount of information hwinfo can get. < 1305517524 892786 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am literally looking at an enumeration of the ports on the back of my computer. < 1305517570 235381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With their types, the internal header they're soldered to, the external label, and the type of socket it has. < 1305517608 727909 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305517719 982008 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305517889 471580 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1305517906 745156 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to override a password in the CMOS if you have root access? < 1305517945 228517 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean "possible" or "feasible"? < 1305517990 71765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both would be interesting. < 1305518005 193712 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feasible" I doubt. < 1305518031 531713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "possible", most certainly, *if* you have some way of executing code in the kernel (via modules or /dev/kmem) and a flashable BIOS. < 1305518057 180402 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Simply" flash the BIOS from the kernel. < 1305518079 409156 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby adding executable code to the BIOS that will override its password check. < 1305518130 477618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, it's certainly possible to read it... < 1305518154 316329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for some BIOSes < 1305518180 556428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you can read it, surely you can change it in the normal way? < 1305518196 683541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I've done the reading bit before, on a 2000 era computer though) < 1305518266 631073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i want to implement an esolang < 1305518314 142509 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, implement BrainFuck++ < 1305518321 259208 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's BrainFuck, except with an additional command ? < 1305518342 384934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads a Brainfuck program from tape, until it finds a null byte, and sets that null byte to 0 if the program halts, or 1 if it dosn't. < 1305518357 203713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Define "Windows" person < 1305518357 409754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, in this case, someone who would know what to do after attempting to reset a Windows 7 password failed and resulted in the system endlessly rebooting < 1305518359 393543 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305518380 589924 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what did that person try? < 1305518384 712735 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to do) < 1305518400 48911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Rambler> clearly i shouldn't have disabled SYSKEY using chntpw on a Windows 7 system < 1305518405 733235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, forgot to redact their nick < 1305518409 856176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, implement BrainFuck++ < 1305518410 194534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's BrainFuck, except with an additional command ? < 1305518410 276317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It reads a Brainfuck program from tape, until it finds a null byte, and sets that null byte to 0 if the program halts, or 1 if it dosn't. < 1305518410 880475 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wince* < 1305518412 839089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like Spoon but not as fun. < 1305518420 197248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HAHAHAHA NOW I WILL FIND THEM < 1305518421 567236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUNT THEM DOWN < 1305518422 818081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND KILL THEM < 1305518428 468296 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they make programs that require a lot of other dependencies and so on to make it work, even when it could be done in a different way that can work otherwise? < 1305518432 36005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, not on freenode. < 1305518435 924435 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Laziness. < 1305518441 484941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, are you capable of helping em? < 1305518455 854460 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Alternately, personal taste. < 1305518457 448934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1305518458 619219 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quite often bad. < 1305518468 324920 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unless I tell them to write "reinstall" < 1305518471 928032 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell them to* < 1305518482 532624 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea how she wrote what she did < 1305518491 817998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounds like an idiot, let's not help him. < 1305518504 829905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~SOCIAL DARWINISM~ < 1305518529 871285 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounds like an idiot, let's kill him and eat his flesh. < 1305518541 491294 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~CANNIBALISM~ < 1305518543 965167 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this plan < 1305518729 829507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're still on Debian testing/Xfce, right? < 1305518732 188592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm distroshopping. < 1305518738 54964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't stay on old Ubuntu forever. < 1305518837 765904 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am. < 1305518853 116740 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gentoo < 1305518869 998328 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1305518875 869409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I'm sorry -- I can't type coherently over how hard I'm laughing. < 1305518885 113497 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305518887 900411 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo seems to have serious issues with maintaining reasonable levels of QA on their packaging. < 1305518888 533374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I'll let the actual Gentoo deconvert (pikhq) handle this one. < 1305518912 251519 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware. I only used Gentoo briefly < 1305518915 456979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1305518917 366005 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just enjoy the reactions :D < 1305518929 743490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's exactly one thing that would cause me to give Gentoo a shot -- if they supported non-standard configurations. < 1305518933 743751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a non-glibc system with Gentoo. < 1305518936 382283 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS is clearly superior~ < 1305518938 224538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a statically linked system with Gentoo. < 1305518947 434407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/can't have/can't have anymore/ < 1305518949 46602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what the fuck is the point?!?!?! < 1305518972 154605 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uclibc Gentoo ceased to be maintained in 2005, sadly. < 1305518978 731016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Debian isn't frozen right now, right? < 1305518988 350398 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian just came out of a feature freeze. < 1305519000 243893 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be another year or two before another one. < 1305519001 68930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just"? Is wheezy out? < 1305519008 31634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeeze came out a while ago, dude :P < 1305519012 526801 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, squeeze just came out in March. < 1305519015 583552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305519016 187626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1305519016 928537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1305519019 763871 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1305519022 20999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, my perception of time is fucked. < 1305519049 112059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason days are much longer right now. Not in the sense that they drag on, just in the sense that fucktons happen in a day. < 1305519058 538012 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it seems *likely* that wheezy will see the introduction of a fourth Debian branch. < 1305519063 766866 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling. < 1305519067 607343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1305519069 597212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' A. < 1305519081 900854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll be between testing and unstable? < 1305519087 673398 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1305519090 277414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that would be sooo sweat. < 1305519091 212521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305519091 812309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet. < 1305519093 341324 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, as you can imagine, intended to be an end-user rolling release system. < 1305519095 297236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be sweat at all. < 1305519104 956301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thus obsoleting Gregor's precious distro ;D ;D ;D < 1305519153 845514 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still debated how best to *do* this, but they seem to be based *around* starting with testing's practices of importing packages from unstable after a few days/weeks. < 1305519183 495710 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, obviously, not being affected by freezes for stable. < 1305519189 811027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So where would that leave testing? Updates from rolling trickle down except when in a feature freeze? < 1305519191 922785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, would it be: < 1305519205 952485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolling comes from testing, but when testing is frozen, the testing policy is applied to sid, to pull updates into rolling? < 1305519221 917798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. when testing is frozen, the sid->testing trickle-down policy switches to trickling-down into the agape mouth of rolling. < 1305519226 165223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that sentence went horrible half-way through. < 1305519227 990741 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are two different plans. < 1305519233 833718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305519236 235804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any others? :P < 1305519252 576103 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is to make testing be a release that only comes into existence for the sake of preparing a stable release. < 1305519264 414807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forked from rolling, of course. < 1305519297 925051 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still *another* is to make a monthly Debian release. < 1305519330 972807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet another is to reform processes so the freeze for release is really short. < 1305519350 965003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One might wonder whether the freeze actually helps. < 1305519365 403871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would simply snapshotting testing regularly produce a lower-quality stable series? < 1305519388 96501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freeze seems to be behind very odd choices like having a hybrid of two GNOME versions in the default install. < 1305519451 799481 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They usually have a decent number of release-blocking bugs in testing. < 1305519504 792669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but maybe their perception of release-blocking bugs sucks :) < 1305519523 78731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, testing isn't exactly problematic to run as your workstation OS, even if you need things not to break. < 1305519551 620390 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think "broken updates". < 1305519602 194819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. < 1305519610 827997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I can't imagine a freeze needing longer than a few weeks. < 1305519613 604793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If done properly. < 1305519630 522264 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the "reforming process" proposal. < 1305519639 897890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1305519708 490209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME TO ME PRECIOUS DEBIAN TESTING NETINST ISO. < 1305519729 126483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I still find it hilarious that you can run the latest Debian on a four-eight-siz. < 1305519729 815419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :six. < 1305519825 585386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Pure [[Unlambda]], Unlambda without the `i` combinator and all IO operations, and lazily-evaluated data structures are used to define IO. For example, the Unlambda encoding of `[[1], (\x. [[2, x], 0])]` will be the [[cat program]] (1 means read line, 2 means print). < 1305519828 110385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to reinvent lazy k badly < 1305519837 483128 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise with Slackware. < 1305519858 67583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but Slackware is old-school. < 1305520027 191203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Debian's automatic Xfce install is pretty "bloated", isn't it? IIRC it included a load of rubbish programs I didn't care about... < 1305520032 705758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just install Xfce manually after the fact. < 1305520259 36711 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno; I installed the base distro and then added packages from there. < 1305520324 655790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers refusing to use any timezone that isn't UTC. < 1305520326 387570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Chicken Scheme a reasonable language for implementing esolangs? < 1305520363 684279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up shut up shut up. < 1305520375 70831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :updog? < 1305520511 722974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Immortality notwithstanding, I'm not going to live forever, you know." < 1305520607 954658 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True by law of excluded middle. < 1305520638 141562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the context would grant such a law; how restrictive and all that. < 1305520669 110007 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I either will or will not be immortal" seems a restatement of that. < 1305520708 77684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop questioning the statements of an omniscient being. < 1305520717 233306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foolish Debian installer, why would I want to create an ext[four] partition? < 1305520718 908396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS exists, you know. < 1305520756 139149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You consider ext4 to suck, I take it? < 1305520785 325658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't suck. < 1305520790 468666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But JFS is pretty much the best filesystem. < 1305520792 560768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION donates some number row keys < 1305520797 435146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ext4 is only a temporary measure. < 1305520803 775956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12334567890#$%^&*()_+-= < 1305520803 957543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obsolete by design in favour of btrfs, an Oracle-controlled clusterfuck. < 1305520816 335724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas JFS is in the trustworthy hands of ... uhhhh ... IBM. < 1305520886 486057 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305520901 504839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK people are now joining channels. This is scary. < 1305520939 888034 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to write programs that require few or no dependencies and can work mostly or entirely by itself. < 1305520940 237185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott|afk < 1305520943 559336 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about. < 1305520981 552226 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell NIH syndrome. < 1305520982 835648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I can imagine that that might be diffcult in some circumstances. What if you really needed to use, say, sqlite? < 1305521000 352913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, zzo38 bathes in NIH syndrome < 1305521003 911597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes there are some circumstances in which other things can be useful to include. < 1305521008 286302 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, a kernel :P < 1305521068 852885 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, the universe lasts a finite length of time, so it's actually true that the one saying it is both immortal (will live as long as time does) and won't live forever. < 1305521117 535724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in case of TeXnicard, its only dependency (other than the standard C stuff) is LodePNG, which is a single module, has no other dependencies, and is statically compiled into the program. < 1305521151 657583 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My policy on dependencies is "use it as long as you arn't adding too much size for too little functionality" < 1305521168 853461 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :External utility programs for TeXnicard might or might not be like this; it depends on the program; other people can write according to what is good that way. < 1305521182 506777 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do you say "arn't" frequently? I seem to have this idea that you do, but I'm not actually sure of that. < 1305521200 882618 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes. Even in LodePNG there is few functions and it is possible to disable some of them before compiling (which, in fact, I did disable some of the functions I didn't need, before compiling). < 1305521238 380161 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that sqlite in particular would be about on par with LodePNG in zzo38's willingness to actually include it. < 1305521250 788472 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sqlite is, like, four megs of source ;D < 1305521253 741028 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it binary... < 1305521257 739530 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source. < 1305521285 840072 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .so is 636k. < 1305521286 100657 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305521291 671530 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. smaller than libc. < 1305521393 473910 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like debian-installer's flexibility. < 1305521404 627606 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even make it install lilo for you. < 1305521475 268114 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&diff=22857&oldid=22850 < 1305521483 44422 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tirelessly reverting vandalism of the sandboz < 1305521484 520237 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandbox < 1305521486 403012 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also usually make a program which is in a single module < 1305521487 628013 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; very, very rarely will you need to install via debootstrap. < 1305521547 723819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is much need to revert vandalism in the sandbox because it is only for testing anyways and whoever types a message next can delete the spam or whatever else is already there < 1305521650 846629 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you LodePNG is 280764 bytes of source (the source also includes documentation), and the .o file is 44011 bytes (when ANCILLARY_CHUNKS, UNKNOWN_CHUNKS, and ERROR_TEXT are disabled). The author of that program has also done some work with esoteric programming although that is irrelevant for purposes of LodePNG. < 1305521782 463191 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The reason I suspect you'd be more willing to use sqlite than most programs is that it's both a relatively small library and so very, very functional. If you need a transactional database in your program (which, admittedly, seems like something you'd avoid), then sqlite is pretty much exactly what you want. < 1305521819 920071 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really digging the debian-installer colour scheme... that's... why am I digging it. < 1305521867 316887 :elliott|afk!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1305521908 1621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yes. In most programs I do not need a database, although I could use it if it is necessary to have a transactional database. < 1305522193 71525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy four birthday Sgeo < 1305522205 235836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1305522207 728749 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I cannot figure out how to shorten my C code implementing Deadfish, any more than it is. (At least not yet.) < 1305522242 807240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1305522303 142136 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305522354 20460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: happy four birthday < 1305522373 370973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I enter esoteric for the first time 4 years ago, or something? < 1305522377 222232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is happy four birthday? < 1305522380 405378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305522458 685415 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-162-38.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1305522468 352690 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, rewrite it in Perl < 1305522468 639463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you grep for Sgep too? < 1305522537 680830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes, it can do Perl code golf too. My AWK code is shorter it is 39 bytes long, so I am good at that one, but at C, I didn't manage to shorten it. Rewriting it in a different programming language doesn't solve it; it just solves it for a different programming language. < 1305522601 640029 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the current best Perl submission is 55, the best AWK is 39 (me; the other one is 40), the best C is 77 (mine is 81). < 1305522645 909793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sgep birth helo < 1305522649 209190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four < 1305522663 152621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: *You* rewrite it in Perl if you are good at Perl to do it. < 1305522668 47661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305522678 337775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you missed the joke. < 1305522752 668023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2005-12-27 < 1305522757 13719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm there < 1305522768 232921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four birth < 1305522788 351756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not four years old. < 1305522820 612317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I assume you were in the past, isn't it? < 1305522872 908902 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Are you good at Perl, though? < 1305522890 287623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 1983-1984 < 1305522902 969168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1305522909 635771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1993-1994 < 1305522917 918454 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, don't really know the language. < 1305522933 2187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't exist in 1984 < 1305522940 115752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much of Perl either, really < 1305523048 209189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I know much of Objective-C other than that it is a strict superset of C (meaning when I send the C codes to the code golf, I also send it as Objective-C as well and it will work) < 1305523195 719413 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re,sys;exec"i=0;"+"".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"sys.stdout.write(str(i)+'\\n')","s":"i*=i"}[x]+";"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c)) < 1305523199 342194 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python deadfish golf! < 1305523234 913904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You can send submissions to http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish < 1305523261 252918 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec is denied? < 1305523261 857677 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1305523295 440782 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except for shell scripts. And you can execute a single external program when using vi. < 1305523337 46429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell scripts (Bash, fish, Zsh) always allow executing external programs, even if it says "exec is denied". < 1305523339 775332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YouTube account Irratonalys has been terminated because we received multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including: < 1305523340 112214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS < 1305523340 194144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS < 1305523340 194253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS" < 1305523433 372686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "a single"? < 1305523437 481380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, only once, or only one program? < 1305523470 56304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only one program, and can only be executed once. < 1305523524 252186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1305523528 465976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can also call the shell in order to make that one execution, I guess. < 1305523544 366809 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure "exec is denied" applies to Python's "exec" statement though, since it just runs Python code, not external programs. (Admittedly it can run code from file with it.) < 1305523625 461094 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though... < 1305523642 681221 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are shorter methods than compiling deadfish to python. < 1305523644 118270 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. < 1305523660 856878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can it? < 1305523665 358419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only execfile could do that. < 1305523672 399132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0\n"+"".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]+"\n"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c)) < 1305523675 875550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean exec open(...).read()? < 1305523680 376961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case that hardly counts. < 1305523701 685697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: for a start, s/\n/;/ < 1305523726 353810 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's shorter with the \n < 1305523727 191898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: The problem does not require compiling Deadfish, it only requires providing the correct output when the Deadfish commands are given in input. < 1305523728 747486 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305523732 332161 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can use "print i" instead of "sys.blahblah" < 1305523739 156378 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, interpreting can also work even if it is not compiled. < 1305523756 348452 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1305523759 790801 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use print i; like that. < 1305523770 698634 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0;"+"".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]+";"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c)) < 1305523771 534480 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1305523773 234327 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused. < 1305523782 504510 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0;".join({"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]+";"for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c)) < 1305523784 504471 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that too. < 1305523794 551505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not put ; before every statement? < 1305523797 436359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can change i=0; to i=0 < 1305523802 864838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead of after.) < 1305523871 497690 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1305523872 352232 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1305523874 196673 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that "exec is denied" does not apply to the Python "exec" command from what I can see the way it is being used. (But still, like I said, this would not be the same as that problem anyways) < 1305523877 98875 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :join does not do what I think it does. < 1305523895 146480 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import urllib2;exec urllib2.urlopen("someaddress").read() < 1305523920 479657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Some system calls are denied. Including all internet access. < 1305523965 455216 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):import re;exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]for x in re.sub("[^idos]","",c)) < 1305523978 930188 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a shorter way to remove all other characters than re? < 1305524086 9176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know very well of Python, even though I have done some things in Python (some solitaire card games, and modifying a script for wiping hard drives) < 1305524164 484445 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean exec open(...); if you give it an open file object, it parses it as Python code until EOF and executes. < 1305524175 475629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right. < 1305524218 302091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Hey ho, testing is broken right now. < 1305524225 647408 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x] if x in"idos"else""for x in c) < 1305524229 6893 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortest I can get it right now. < 1305524251 836190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}[x]if x in"idos"else""for x in c) < 1305524255 723942 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, missed a space < 1305524389 824301 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't .get(x,"") be much shorter than [x]if x in"idos"else"" ? < 1305524422 991276 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that? < 1305524426 929977 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305524460 710370 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :def deadfish(c):exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}.get(x,"")for x in c) < 1305524462 922467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Balls. < 1305524476 304432 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would an interpretive approach be shorter than the code generation method? < 1305524482 65382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec"i=0"+"".join(";"+{"i":"i+=1","d":"i-=1","o":"print i","s":"i*=i"}.get(x,"")for x in __import__('sys').stdout.read()) < 1305524534 889694 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305524535 811677 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1305524546 142995 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to work. < 1305524552 511964 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, not using code generation. < 1305524556 380569 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way I can think of. < 1305524561 235807 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda:i=0 isn't valid Python < 1305524567 551133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason < 1305524593 263506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: BTW, you need to handle wrapping. < 1305524600 948261 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wrapping? < 1305524613 557706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1305524620 982325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's yet another Scheme in my possible choices < 1305524626 150554 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try submitting to the anarchy golf. (I do not believe the "exec" command in Python is disallowed) It is not endless problem, it has deadline, so post it (I suggest always selecting "open code statistics") and it is revealed in 11 days (you can continue sending after the deadline, too) < 1305524629 394127 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1305524631 72494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1305524641 811824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Less than one or equal to two five six = set to 0. < 1305524672 340049 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought deadfish didn't overflow. < 1305524678 549715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rapidly decides that "integrated Emacs-like editor" isn't worth... its.... incompletenessness < 1305524680 39507 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish < 1305524689 378962 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: that lambda won't work because in Python assignment isn't an expression, and lambdas are single-expression functions < 1305524692 632973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It does. < 1305524699 380266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is it? < 1305524701 579510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT Scheme? < 1305524713 125535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305524719 126891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How is MIT Scheme incomplete? < 1305524721 783711 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Python < This suggests otherwise for me < 1305524731 438723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: < 1305524731 682338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if accumlator == 256 or accumlator == -1: < 1305524731 764190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : accumlator = 0 < 1305524733 754366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you are blind. < 1305524737 793872 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rcap < 1305524739 33767 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap* < 1305524740 410808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module system currently < 1305524753 639653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are portable module systems. < 1305524815 132142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Chicken's hash tables are pulled from an SRFI? < 1305524821 498800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pulled from"? < 1305524824 547422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean they adhere to a standard. < 1305524827 447920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305524856 280526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas, Racket's... don't < 1305524914 325341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket isn't a Scheme. < 1305524919 454956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should it be expected to conform to SRFIs? < 1305524946 313228 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm not entirely sure I understand what exec is being used for. < 1305524981 23404 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating Python code in python and executing it immediately is pretty much the same thing as writing an interpreter in Python, except less efficient. < 1305525005 779221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, it's likely to be more efficient, if anything. < 1305525015 730500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, the important thing is the size of the code, not the speed. < 1305525031 523468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try both in ... a lisp < 1305525036 691632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still on the fence < 1305525082 991531 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with your efficiency claim, but if it's not important for whatever is trying to be accomplished I won't debate it. < 1305525137 877592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How is an interpreter less efficient than a compiler here? < 1305525161 511175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also notes Gambit < 1305525167 610759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comparison is basically null without any kind of control flow, but this is basically JIT vs. interpreter, and nobody argues JITs are slower than interpreters, especially when the compiler is /this/ simple. < 1305525180 300856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets dizzy < 1305525213 235929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305525214 521900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dizzy. < 1305525252 274768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not allowed to be metaphorical? < 1305525270 273866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the thing is, with you it's usually not figurative ... and that's not what metaphorical means. < 1305525275 867407 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my argument is more on the basis that exec + string concatenation is always going to be slower than the Python code where you directly interpret it. < 1305525281 290996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sort of is. < 1305525282 734936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really. < 1305525307 289781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, CPython string concatenation is actually just as fast as joining (i.e. linear in number of strings to join) IIRC. < 1305525327 447630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree that that would not apply if the language had significant control flow? < 1305525340 426357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpretive overhead would surely come in there, as the control flow cannot be "directly" mapped to Python constructs in an interpreter. < 1305525425 364934 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying that if the language had control flow constructs then this "JIT" solution would be even better? < 1305525439 240803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the scare quotes around JIT? < 1305525443 251290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is precisely a JIT. < 1305525474 997990 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps there's more code than the snippet I saw? < 1305525486 179917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish is a trivial language, why would there be? < 1305525488 667113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what a JIT does: < 1305525492 563360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Acts as an interpreter by < 1305525496 101550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - Compiling code, and then < 1305525499 64436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - Immediately executing it. < 1305525503 771135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Compiling code on the fly, < 1305525519 893806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is exactly what that code snippet does, so yes, it's a Deadfish JIT, as opposed to a Deadfish compiler (s/exec/print/) or a Deadfish interpreter. < 1305525794 449977 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: way to ask #scheme for advice on what lisp dialect to take < 1305525800 115933 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a JIT. But this approach makes all the typical advantages of JIT compilation no longer apply, basically. Also, join is much faster than string concatenation, but you don't use much string concatenation so it's not much of an issue. I think the main reason that the JIT in this case is less efficient than a interpreter written in Python is because of how exec works. But yeah, if you want to minimize lines of cod < 1305525821 100928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I was hoping they'd answer "Which Scheme" rather than "Scheme or CL?" < 1305525863 380023 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then perhaps you should have left common lisp out. the way you phrased your question made it like you lumped all the schemes together < 1305525869 476431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: join is not faster than string concatenation. That applies in other Python implementations but not CPython. < 1305525882 945925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you got cut off after "minimize lines of co". < 1305525894 312868 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines of cod" for me < 1305525896 83971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Why have you lead me into a channel of inevitable cringe? < 1305525898 896001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :D < 1305525902 350388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing lines of cod < 1305525906 583980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lines of cod" for me, too < 1305525911 316697 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to minimize lines of code, then you've accomplished that. :) < 1305525918 257161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytes, actually. < 1305525926 352535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, no, join = repeated string concatenation in CPython. < 1305525930 711408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least asymptomatically if nothing else. < 1305525937 12781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so far, the only thing that you've seen said that could possibly be cringeworthy is what I said < 1305525961 347689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:53:55 I'm getting dizzy trying to decide between various Schemes, and Common Lisp < 1305525963 299466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cringeworthy. < 1305525981 513768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could logread, I guess < 1305526021 745942 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been told and read that in CPython join is always a better solution than a loop with repeated string concatenation. Essentially, the more you rely on builtin functions and less on Python code the more efficient your Python code will be. < 1305526046 660804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh, there may be an incredibly MINOR difference. < 1305526062 359825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the reason it's recommended to join instead is because Jython and other implementations have linear join, but exponential repeated-concatenation. < 1305526082 379341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only difference with CPython will be a (probably tiny) constant factor. < 1305526102 416236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x + y + z) and "".join((x, y, z)) are pretty much going to be equivalent. < 1305526275 618378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they'll be the same asymptotically. < 1305526310 665556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said, not in Jython. < 1305526317 136207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about IronPython. < 1305526355 9214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 is the current Python recod. < 1305526356 401571 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :record* < 1305526359 220383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to need more work. < 1305526365 235106 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do* < 1305526366 852931 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1305526376 178322 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dict is already 53 chars < 1305526441 126815 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305526466 935901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1305526479 950558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should implement an esolang in something < 1305526482 231984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Racket < 1305526488 886392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: >_< < 1305526497 945991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OH MY GOD STOP REPEATING THE SAME THING IN FIFTY DIFFERENT WAYS < 1305526509 568087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually going to DO IT though < 1305526546 419686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN DO IT < 1305526619 942921 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :found this: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2011/2/1/exec-in-python/ < 1305526664 676276 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305526718 90317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I sure want Debian rolling round about now. < 1305526719 304694 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305526737 772165 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305526818 291001 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, okay, so I think you were right actually. I was assuming that exec was always slower than regular Python, but it's only slower if you make repeated execs using a string (because it parses and byte-code compiles the program each call) < 1305526840 17183 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you would want to use compile() first and then exec that. < 1305526858 527133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only question is, how long a Deadfish program do you need for the compilation overhead to go away? :-) < 1305526933 936570 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't increasing the length of the source program increase the compilation overhead? or am I missing something? < 1305526964 724320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. But it'd also increase the overhead of the while loop of an interpreter... :-P < 1305526979 933837 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec"".join(dict(i="i+=1;",d="i-=1;",o="print i;",s="i*=i;").get(x,"")for x in sys.stdin.read()) < 1305526983 744657 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way to shorten this? < 1305526992 144790 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that another approach is needed. < 1305527031 53478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305527034 216467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have you put ; at the end again < 1305527053 422335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305527053 964858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1305527075 537670 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't. < 1305527092 181847 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just ";".join? < 1305527098 687685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey good idea < 1305527102 739523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1;",d="i-=1;",o="print i;",s="i*=i;").get(x,"")for x in sys.stdin) < 1305527104 349191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter in two ways < 1305527107 241501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305527110 678384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the ;s from the end :D < 1305527118 309782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x,"")for x in sys.stdin) < 1305527128 210334 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope. < 1305527143 288525 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write ;; in Python, you get a syntax error. < 1305527153 463521 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to have .get(x,"somekindofnoop") then < 1305527158 630932 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :using map instead of a generator expression might shave a few bytes. < 1305527158 916725 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1305527163 675694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ... < 1305527164 647450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305527165 267661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, checked, nope. < 1305527169 113294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see < 1305527171 81922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x,"0")for x in sys.stdin) < 1305527254 494944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a sufficient compromise. < 1305527306 180114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305527306 587391 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually doesn't iterating on a file descriptor iterate by line? < 1305527307 414773 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you make it even shorter with reduce? < 1305527313 934436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would reduce help? < 1305527322 934738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes, but the anagolf challenge uses single lines < 1305527328 403530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the newlines will break it... < 1305527332 118030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305527332 796936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do < 1305527340 745301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x[0],"0")for x in sys.stdin) < 1305527342 75669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1305527345 470531 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, using sys.stdin instead of sys.stdin() gives me 0;0;0;0;0;0 < 1305527360 150309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.stdin() won't do anything... < 1305527361 713413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1305527364 188737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i just fixed it < 1305527365 490079 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1305527385 502905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1305527387 168252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need wrapping < 1305527388 45497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1305527427 18304 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Deadfish < 1305527433 165851 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dialect used here dosn't wrap. < 1305527441 162143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it DOES. Deadfish wraps weirdly. < 1305527447 337302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go /over/ with squaring. < 1305527456 447988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;i=0;exec";i*=i!=256;".join(dict(i="i+=1",d="i-=1",o="print i",s="i*=i").get(x[0],"0")for x in sys.stdin) < 1305527466 575702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just needs negative handling. < 1305527474 416056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: "If you decrement zero you get zero and if the result ever becomes 256 it should change to zero immediately." --the challenge description itself < 1305527520 66460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should _not_ take this long to implement HQ9+ < 1305527527 885783 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305527531 720476 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're doing it wrong < 1305527535 179952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: obviously the fault is with the implementation and not you. < 1305527550 265965 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that iterating on a file descrpitor automatically strips the newline. < 1305527560 993073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: seemingly not :) < 1305527570 392142 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...weird. < 1305527573 126556 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305527592 118923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I barely know Racket < 1305527603 475819 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 twobit 72 0.1235 11/05/15 02:36:54 0B / 34B / 35B < 1305527603 596535 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 leonid 72 0.0941 11/05/16 09:47:11 0B / 39B / 24B < 1305527603 678452 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 hallvabo 73 0.0866 11/05/15 04:53:21 0B / 31B / 38B < 1305527608 316666 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the top for Python right now. < 1305527615 604092 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are WAY over. < 1305527634 570949 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can more byte shaving be done? < 1305527642 293904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but it'll require more ingenuity. < 1305527645 416852 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say using dict takes more bytes than {} syntax. < 1305527649 46628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I am saying is, cheating. < 1305527651 240253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it does not. < 1305527653 464123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I measured. < 1305527668 871658 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah because of the quotes on the keys. < 1305527669 512204 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} has a bunch of " around < 1305527677 515048 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could get rid of the quotes < 1305527682 209727 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :around the values too. < 1305527688 679310 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: see Perl. :P < 1305527697 991545 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305527700 851367 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it's perl. < 1305527702 771185 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's shorter. < 1305527710 207565 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, binary strings? < 1305527728 937463 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305527732 972270 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do anything with that? < 1305527735 712175 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ..whut? < 1305527756 892284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wat < 1305527762 812285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1305527767 119469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is way too small for compression to help < 1305527767 579218 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this about source code size? < 1305527797 487590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cheat, you can post with (cheat) after your name, you can also post noncheating without (cheat) and you can do similar things if you want multiple submissions for any reason. One reason might be, you might want binary, you might want one without binary, or some symbols only, or alphanumerics only, etc < 1305527798 353408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305527807 775052 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305527807 856266 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1305527807 856404 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1305527808 350137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SLIME's debugging like? Because the way DrRacket does this is starting to tick me off < 1305527820 870411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: only as good as your Lisp's, obviously. < 1305527829 813441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a Racket port of SLIME, though. < 1305527836 696764 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like see Postscript they have one (bin) and one text < 1305527845 905196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Schemefortyeight port of SLIME but it is out of date. < 1305527867 918439 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant, I'm considering flipping over to Common Lisp < 1305527880 788100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't for/list supposed to return a list? < 1305527888 65669 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: you are funny < 1305527892 655356 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters, you aren't coding scheme < 1305527923 401891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he coding magic < 1305527926 160471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure magic < 1305527941 575536 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that for the problem, it doesn't matter how your program treats "h" as long as it does not output anything or cause infinite loop < 1305527949 822263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's fairly obvious he isn't coding scheme since he's using racket not a scheme < 1305527951 801118 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could use raw_input instead of sys.stdin you could remove the import line < 1305527962 182271 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see a way to do that without introducing more bytes. < 1305527978 784872 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1305528043 44590 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://docs.racket-lang.org/search/index.html?q=for/list < 1305528045 919904 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: go wild < 1305528059 728604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pastie.org/private/tx8g8qrhsd4ggssrspzdg < 1305528065 692787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can Sgeo actually code < 1305528072 108069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm not sure 90 percent of psox actually counted as code < 1305528082 68368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's acting like for/list isn't returning anything < 1305528086 229540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (99-bottles) < 1305528086 485673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (error "Not implemented yet")) < 1305528086 567476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (inc-accum) < 1305528086 567558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (error "Not implemented yet")) < 1305528087 823905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just poetic < 1305528109 780916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you put do- before all of your function names? < 1305528121 51865 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-99-bottles < 1305528125 878485 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-inc-accum < 1305528130 135211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-do-inc-accum < 1305528134 262056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it implements a function after all < 1305528189 242381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(list->string lst) → string? < 1305528189 454417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lst : (listof char?) < 1305528189 536116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returns a new mutable string whose content is the list of characters in lst. That is, the length of the string is (length lst), and the sequence of characters in lst is the same sequence in the result string. < 1305528198 19453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that, Sgeo is violating a function contract < 1305528207 52100 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how on earth did someone get a smaller source size than that. < 1305528227 457901 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different approach, perhaps < 1305528229 374411 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or black magic < 1305528232 972630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh... but that manages to not even fix the problem < 1305528243 49903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you considered you might have other problems in your code < 1305528251 722062 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if sgeo is the problem < 1305528254 353545 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1305528295 96894 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are Bink and Bonk debug code < 1305528299 747448 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean < 1305528300 253951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305528313 149801 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1305528365 526101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The for/list is still giving void < 1305528379 25411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just replaced list->string with string-append*) < 1305528388 302499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried evaluating the for/list in the repl < 1305528390 354232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before asking < 1305528393 842297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305528397 615398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1305528417 684189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returned properly, iirc (bloody DrRacket cleared it out already) < 1305528426 527245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1305528431 54610 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ racket < 1305528431 228806 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Racket v5.1.1. < 1305528431 310901 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1305528431 311107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet you find it unthinkable that the problem could be in the appending and displaying parts < 1305528437 318410 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats drracket < 1305528437 707415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the for/list part < 1305528438 395369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1305528460 140278 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nuts this thing can't handle arrow keys < 1305528486 728544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: quack for emacs = good stuff < 1305528495 984660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :special integration with racket's repl < 1305528500 824232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/screenshot.png < 1305528506 826003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, but you pointed out an additional problem < 1305528515 646478 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad I don't use emacs < 1305528522 284594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did I < 1305528529 410905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: just start emacs to use the repl >:) < 1305528532 496902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, y'know... use rlwrap < 1305528537 200366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :list->string wouldn't wor properly < 1305528544 344513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1305528546 48147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found sgeo's bug < 1305528549 61665 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll edit my lines in vim then paste them into the repl < 1305528556 509264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that he thinks characters are strings < 1305528560 836353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305528563 169289 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1305528565 97926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless [hash]\X is equal? to "X" < 1305528592 893758 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (equal? #\X "X") < 1305528593 256622 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#f < 1305528593 505808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `#\' < 1305528599 283364 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry lambdabot < 1305528603 639147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats lambdabot < 1305528608 644680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1305528614 985008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1305528622 338087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I kind of.. was thinking of that >.> < 1305528668 991748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck why am i helping you figure out obvious bugs in your ten lines of code < 1305528672 16731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ashamed of myself < 1305528688 155138 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should see if I can implement hq9+ better than sgeo < 1305528724 285086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try doing it while being a cat < 1305528726 503764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a challenge < 1305528740 159041 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really tired and I don't think I've ever actually done anything in racket before < 1305528743 217681 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that good enough < 1305528759 633012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305528762 728011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tired too < 1305529012 24179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is now implemented < 1305529016 507997 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1305529080 629009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on < 1305529102 223367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahahah < 1305529105 828037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pathetic how can I not find this function < 1305529114 977767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo i swear to god you literally get stupider as time goes on < 1305529121 33736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I do not have a bug in + < 1305529124 479458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im quite honsetly unable to think of a single other possibility < 1305529169 168014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't seem to find the function to make a nice list of numbers < 1305529219 105957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1305529223 894639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 9 < 1305529225 952279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i dont want to live on this planet any more < 1305529234 871126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: at this rate you're going to have to start doing python programming soon < 1305529258 451840 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what do you mean a nice list of numbers < 1305529263 309553 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you want it to greet you < 1305529273 840596 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (I'm afraid that's not possible) < 1305529364 686635 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my theory is Sgeo wrote PSOX before his university untaught him programming < 1305529386 247694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my accumulator is nicer than a naive one < 1305529393 262346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1305529393 607279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess nothing actually makes it naive < 1305529397 121822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise the accumulator does nothing < 1305529402 998433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: psox was 90 percent function decorators < 1305529407 152230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and easter eggs < 1305529452 762679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I consider that cheating < 1305529470 449094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: look at all these shits i'm giving < 1305529479 750361 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (do-inc-accum) #f) ; optimized out < 1305529485 121908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus monqy < 1305529487 433847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like a shit tornado < 1305529491 63544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not giving them to anyone < 1305529492 431404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even orphans < 1305529513 193667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a whole lotta shit to be giving < 1305529519 124080 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I put another do in there < 1305529557 336169 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: +++ < 1305529575 41173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1305529578 863825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm giving none of the shits < 1305529582 178552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre all mine < 1305529714 634553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would really appreciate CL's format < 1305529722 323282 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1305529737 812013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.racket-lang.org/search/index.html?q=format < 1305529739 723757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW LOOK AT THAT < 1305529740 106911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMAT < 1305529748 483140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE < 1305529748 941986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE < 1305529750 522479 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1305529750 971498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1305529751 55228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEARCH < 1305529751 274409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAGE < 1305529751 721069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1305529768 56665 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he wants common lisp's format specifically < 1305529770 261814 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dirty racket's format < 1305529773 468685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell out to sbcl < 1305529778 897276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305529785 648711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:RichardPrime&curid=3901&diff=22899&oldid=22898 < 1305529787 1478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1305529787 947497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambot user < 1305529792 188078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, thank you < 1305529804 28132 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do < 1305529804 721277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1305529810 805537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was the one who fucking searched and linked it. < 1305529815 82207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, be correct in knowing what I wanted. < 1305529817 535426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, I saw. < 1305529824 18679 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was mocking you < 1305529829 318488 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dagnabbit < 1305529999 362503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DrRacket: That's just great. Tell me an error, but hilight the text in red such that I can't see s-exprs easily < 1305530050 807753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: will this horror ever end..... < 1305530072 252071 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hope you know you don't have to use drracket < 1305530081 136279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a super masochist < 1305530090 171156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or stupid < 1305530092 369874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1305530347 449308 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so is the input for the deadfish code all on one line or is it seperated by lines? < 1305530375 973041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: in the anagolf challenge it is all on separate lines < 1305530423 504323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/l7sb1cgdx6iy0ee7wu3vw < 1305530439 723958 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work < 1305530449 182047 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on mine it's going to be so rad < 1305530453 58807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank fuck Sgeo has implemented hqnine+ < 1305530456 302510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now well never be without it < 1305530459 536405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define inc-accum < 1305530459 844360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (let ([accum 0]) < 1305530459 926300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (lambda () < 1305530459 926476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (set! accum (+ accum 1))))) < 1305530460 871178 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses case instead of cond < 1305530465 810581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its that scheme idiom thats obsoleted in racket < 1305530476 989441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre meant to use the fucking module system for encapsulation instead < 1305530486 33253 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also uses continuations < 1305530488 929931 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how rad it is < 1305530505 965104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (format "~a bottle~a of beer on the wall.~%~a bottle~a of beer.~%Take one down, pass it around,~%~a bottle~a of beer on the wall!~%" bottles s bottles s (- bottles 1) last-s))))) < 1305530508 997997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no exclamation mark < 1305530513 164409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need "no more bottles" at the end < 1305530521 957918 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssshhh < 1305530523 810521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is embarrassing < 1305530552 647994 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to print it out line by line such as not to have stupid concatenation overhead but the core of my interpreter will be pure < 1305530561 863154 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so rad) < 1305530591 188664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it PRINT the lyrics out < 1305530592 590193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a i < 1305530593 522888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1305530595 222438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your printer < 1305530598 639047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure racket has a library for that < 1305530609 506539 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a good idea if I had a printer < 1305530616 549661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a pdf printer or similar to test it < 1305530624 302961 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1305530694 509146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does pastie weirdly color the ( in the lambda arglist? < 1305530705 455883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im going to start crying soon < 1305530737 60071 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry I know everything ever about pastie < 1305530759 664053 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: presumably it's broken < 1305530783 476465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket's contract stuff looks cool mind you < 1305531720 780638 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this shorter? < 1305531722 151541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it done yet < 1305531723 531299 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys;exec"x=0"+"%256".join(dict(i="+1",d="-1",o="+0;print x;x=x",s="+0;x*=x;x=x").get(x[0],"") for x in sys.stdin) < 1305531727 18574 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no :( < 1305531728 835006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: modulo is wrong < 1305531732 103741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you haven't handled negative < 1305531733 832586 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't like... tried to run it. probably should < 1305531748 852701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x=x breaks the syntax there... < 1305531756 75379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you need ==[twofivesix], not modulo < 1305531780 124401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x[asterisk]=x[exclamation mark]=[twofivesix];x[asterisk]=x>0 < 1305531783 300033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should handle wrapping < 1305531787 589624 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does x=x break syntax? < 1305531797 544569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see how it works < 1305531799 352222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still broken though < 1305531803 897087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the wrapping < 1305531816 412874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think that's actually one or two bytes longer than our last attempt < 1305531841 43926 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah all the hackery to get o and s to work < 1305531939 850305 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=x!=256*x>0 would cut some bytes. < 1305532009 66492 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially I was just going to replace s with **2 but I realized that would conflict with operator precedence. < 1305532069 913390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=x!=256*x>0 < 1305532071 684203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parses wrong < 1305532074 434087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=(x!=256)*x>0 < 1305532074 780529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1305532076 547508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x*=(x!=256)*(x>0) < 1305532078 998135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will work < 1305532081 494577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about that middle one < 1305532084 665829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the first one will parse wrong < 1305532093 328887 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1305532116 217252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need parens around ("x=0"+"%256") in your old version < 1305532148 159139 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :on only the %256 was being the join delimeter. < 1305532160 794283 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=0 is the initialization < 1305532174 579539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1305532179 480989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it parses something like < 1305532189 314964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1305532189 825238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305532190 712135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i < 1305532195 521816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305532203 245094 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 0 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 1 -1 -1 -1 ...+0;print x;x=x + 1 + 1 +1 +1 ...; < 1305532204 348040 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally ditched continuations for returning multiple values. oops. < 1305532219 72328 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you golfing Deadfish? < 1305532228 679778 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe. < 1305532368 238779 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so that approach breaks down when you start applying a bunch of != >0, **2, etc to the operator chain because of order of operations < 1305532437 244850 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, so increasing 255 should be 0 but squaring 255 (or anything larger than 15) won't clip? < 1305532471 332013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305532477 662180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a magical language filled with idiocy and happiness < 1305532701 816048 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, increasing 255 is nop, but increasing 256 sets the accumulator 257???? < 1305532705 355425 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck. < 1305532715 666892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yes. < 1305532717 827485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic is simple < 1305532726 779100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cycle, if the value is two-five-six or less than zero, it's set to zero < 1305532741 600575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that squaring to get two-five-seven and then decrementing goes to 0 < 1305532770 946607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: xfce tips sure are of high quality - "Theres a volume changer plugin for the panel available. Its name is xfce[four]-mixer." < 1305532776 593295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I tried the operator chaining approach I decided it would be a good idea to import re;f=re.subn;... < 1305532785 410349 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then chain together a bunch of substitutes. :) < 1305532796 524370 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it was much different, and it didn't handle the wrapping. < 1305532832 523989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it done yet?????????/////////// < 1305532851 580226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ??///// < 1305532884 134610 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm teaching it how to count beer < 1305532889 70267 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards < 1305532918 987442 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after this I will try remembering my original design and write that < 1305532924 459985 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was so much better this < 1305532980 859488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahhhaha < 1305533032 174815 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1305533034 905951 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after sleep < 1305533038 188202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1305533043 227847 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardly remember what I'm trying to do now < 1305533047 569484 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first version: 115 bytes. < 1305533050 572390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't corrected the 99 bottle of beer issues < 1305533053 613274 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck. < 1305533054 555119 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly enough if you take (ord(x[0])-100)/5 then d, i, o, and s translate to 0, 1, 2, and 3 < 1305533056 882909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor am I working on it < 1305533070 985764 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: apathy or spite < 1305533079 812463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly apathy < 1305533106 885252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, considering that I want to try writing the same in Chicken and CL, maybe I should finish it < 1305533107 72142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ahahahfahafjknsdfkgsfdknlg,m < 1305533110 402168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not tonight though < 1305533117 614154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this couldnt be funnier < 1305533124 771783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's a lot of characters in itself though < 1305533128 965597 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1305533131 667519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could use a list like that < 1305533136 344871 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305533138 342809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately you would have to handle invalid chars / < 1305533139 48730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1305533158 45445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, x not in'h < 1305533159 782209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is ok for this < 1305533165 834558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literal newline deliberate, one less char than \n) < 1305533166 749749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or wait) < 1305533169 342390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that valid in python...) < 1305533195 124104 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can't do that < 1305533212 638408 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :""" allows literal newlines < 1305533217 420111 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not " or ' < 1305533240 60685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly < 1305533249 388212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, go complain to Guido < 1305533274 312378 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll read your email in his comfortable Google office chair. < 1305533303 706389 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took an another approach; 84 bytes. < 1305533324 354818 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder others are using the same approach? < 1305533328 210492 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least for python) < 1305533342 798372 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 84 was one of the smallest on that list, if I recall. < 1305533357 115271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: complain to guido? why would i want to talk to him... < 1305533359 146227 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far i saw it is 72 bytes long now. < 1305533362 369823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't even know what tail call optimisation is < 1305533385 18802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I'm suspecting the 72 byte program cheats heavily somehow < 1305533403 64333 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you could present your case against Python in the hopes that he would find reason in your plea and make changes to Python 3.5 or 4 or something like that. < 1305533404 937870 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is your best (without your supposed cheats)? < 1305533409 454507 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a well thought out plan, I promise. < 1305533434 906290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: well, we're working together... we've got it down to a hundred bytes or so < 1305533447 346827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't suppose you're willing to share your version? :P < 1305533447 483617 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, but it seems that 75+-2 is certainly possible < 1305533457 800874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: meh, much easier to just erase him from the history books instead < 1305533490 501922 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the first rule of all string-to-code golfing: abuse exec. < 1305533494 275508 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once held Python in high esteem... but that was back when I only knew Python and not much else. :P < 1305533496 287342 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sucks I'm getting sleep < 1305533511 606100 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :overengineering is difficult when tired < 1305533537 192214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: we already are :) < 1305533568 587609 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Perl, it's probably something like "abuse regex" < 1305533588 829006 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's always the first rule in... any Perl programming. < 1305533590 127912 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and also take a look at how the input is read. < 1305533600 177268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: already have :) < 1305533629 625844 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly golfing in Perl sounds way more fun than Python. < 1305533640 481456 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try all possible input methods (i.e. sys.stdin, sys.stdin.read(), os.read, input, raw_input etc.)? < 1305533652 218920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sys.stdin was the one that was easiest with our code structure < 1305533652 355054 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :input wouldn't work for sure. < 1305533657 483329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others would involve a separate while loo < 1305533657 829560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1305533659 304720 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw_input is possible though. < 1305533660 473602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305533661 971606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :input might work < 1305533669 653232 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1305533677 665690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i='n+=one';d='n-=one';code+=input() < 1305533680 820109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see? < 1305533682 714033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it evals < 1305533697 461222 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aaah < 1305533699 865535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: can i have a digit one, my number keys are broken :) < 1305533706 689887 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to get it shorter. < 1305533735 818693 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are your current ideas? < 1305533740 742437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: see above < 1305533754 16266 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive eval? < 1305533765 608146 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recursive no < 1305533767 821049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305533770 391977 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbol table abuse. :) < 1305533777 150703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asterisk plz < 1305533780 819745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need an asterisk :D < 1305533784 592404 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. Though it's uncertain whether or not it will be a smaller result. < 1305533791 108708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1305533794 140456 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you can have this one * < 1305533794 279455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone type an asterisk >:( < 1305533795 896464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1305533798 629319 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305533803 582631 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is evil, and might actually work. < 1305533812 262095 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you deal with characters not in the set? < 1305533814 618348 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to ignore those. < 1305533816 755259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamation mark please < 1305533818 725991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nope, only h < 1305533818 861780 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part will be filtering all of the non-important characters. < 1305533822 692733 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ! < 1305533824 783656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is the only non-command char not used < 1305533831 440896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i'm not messing with you my number keys really are broken < 1305533836 538726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok someone type two-five-six < 1305533843 116208 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I believe you. :D 256 < 1305533886 34615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=c='';while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*(n>0)' < 1305533887 234477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1305533895 697874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1305533902 69146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=c='' < 1305533902 151143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*(n>0)' < 1305533903 743980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines < 1305533907 693629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is promising < 1305533915 956409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninety-two bytes < 1305533920 171674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait < 1305533920 925441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninety-one < 1305533935 447702 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can shorten that some more with tuple assignment < 1305533937 213412 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1305533947 460546 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1305533948 973512 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305533954 23901 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be cheating, right. < 1305533962 841337 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dosn't work in the general case. < 1305533963 357349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305533965 180045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all's fair in anagolf < 1305533973 973020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ah, possibly < 1305533974 111755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we only need the shown examples to work < 1305533993 785174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i don't think so CakeProphet < 1305533994 656928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes < 1305534038 392655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h=c='' < 1305534038 739848 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you trade each semicolon for two commas, but then you get to take away a = for each one. Probably breaks even. < 1305534038 873959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0' < 1305534040 246488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two bytes shorter < 1305534053 302489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-nine bytes < 1305534058 490164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305534060 816968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless c assignment there < 1305534067 634585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';h='' < 1305534067 760542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0' < 1305534068 820399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-seven bytes < 1305534077 792069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1305534079 984893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do h=n=0 there < 1305534080 264732 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 bytes here. now that IS hard. < 1305534087 114335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-four bytes < 1305534103 661346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: is our new approach reasonable for such a low count...? < 1305534109 834803 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. < 1305534125 175755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305534127 320171 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is halt. < 1305534135 218518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: apparently its ok to ignore it zzo said < 1305534137 580467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not actually part of deadfish < 1305534150 884304 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only occurs at the end. < 1305534153 288177 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, therefore. < 1305534158 100870 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore. < 1305534180 818821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305534203 463104 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1305534208 681466 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only get below zero with d, right? < 1305534215 959297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes < 1305534220 609032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely < 1305534221 47925 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's the current code? < 1305534222 716799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't :) < 1305534225 101500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: h=n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=1';o='print n';s='n*=n';while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0' < 1305534228 65854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the ; before while is a newline < 1305534231 63866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like this to count bytes easier < 1305534245 918208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305534252 874940 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305534257 880658 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have an infinite generator? < 1305534265 375892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how are we exiting this loop? < 1305534266 852856 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it requires an import < 1305534268 152529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305534273 288418 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in itertools < 1305534285 265754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i=d=s='n+=1';d[1]='-';s[1:]='*=n';o='print n';while 1:exec input()+';n*=(n!=256)*n>0' < 1305534286 411766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, longer < 1305534291 198212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also define your own with a function that uses yield. Probably even more bytes than the import though. < 1305534291 280421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: with erro < 1305534291 936082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1305534293 962037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :input() will fail < 1305534295 969047 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this allowed? < 1305534299 841763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes < 1305534303 784285 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it pass? < 1305534306 61032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305534309 631030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stderr is ignored < 1305534309 810898 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, python's string is immutable, i think? < 1305534314 663515 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305534315 306520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: oh damn, right :( < 1305534336 896648 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just mutate one of them < 1305534355 335615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305534357 149407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1305534358 313421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're strings < 1305534376 203591 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, nevermind. :P < 1305534397 96411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n';while 1:exec input() < 1305534399 597203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works apart from s < 1305534404 47831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s needs to handle sqrt two-five-six < 1305534405 531759 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1305534408 636334 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've hit a brick wall. < 1305534411 902096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sixteen < 1305534412 892931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nope < 1305534437 167565 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1305534439 160992 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0d = 0 < 1305534442 204716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n**=1+(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305534442 408516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :255i = 0 < 1305534445 802449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty-one bytes < 1305534446 991271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitches < 1305534459 967350 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is n? < 1305534461 939978 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1305534462 22074 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305534481 250426 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305534482 387707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h=n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305534484 750527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighty bytes < 1305534485 715303 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h only occurs at the end. < 1305534493 191965 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305534494 831745 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h = halt < 1305534498 964239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305534499 207108 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can make it halt by erroring. < 1305534501 13207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1305534501 455197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1305534505 835745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=n!=255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305534509 115437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventy-eight bytes < 1305534514 204002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to get very difficult very quickly < 1305534516 562452 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO. < 1305534519 983924 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who does credit go to? < 1305534521 161935 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric? < 1305534524 300761 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott? < 1305534525 150519 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1305534528 469378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll submit this version as #esoteric < 1305534556 425236 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1305534561 429984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION strips newline locally < 1305534565 940755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+=n!=255 < 1305534569 78625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1305534569 184531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can try and shorten it further ofc < 1305534573 419085 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n == 255 < 1305534574 293235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: boolean->int conversion < 1305534576 470930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :false is zero, true is one < 1305534577 503050 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then n+=0 < 1305534579 654747 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning 255 < 1305534581 305715 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of 0 < 1305534584 7288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305534585 283737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1305534593 605468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305534594 259650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need < 1305534600 28112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,255)=-x < 1305534601 705091 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305534603 303999 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the tests. < 1305534605 837490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,n)=one < 1305534614 484826 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any use this behvaior? < 1305534616 248879 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :behavior* < 1305534620 613687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: probably < 1305534625 959622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too hard to tell from reading them < 1305534644 368605 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, it is hard to get below 75B. < 1305534648 756242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try with just +=one < 1305534678 825403 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1305534682 285250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they < 1305534682 366844 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test 4 tests it. < 1305534686 913522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305534693 128533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305534694 878022 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1305534736 551480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1+(n=255)*(-n-1)';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=2*(n!=16)' < 1305534738 231261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work < 1305534755 659004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment isn't an expression in Python < 1305534779 563497 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you meant == < 1305534780 31510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1305534782 530246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305534782 985308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305534785 115212 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305534786 810008 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cheaty face < 1305534789 845628 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, elliott. < 1305534795 898842 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to use the file name as input? < 1305534801 5328 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is the file name preserved? < 1305534815 803148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305534818 61045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my squaring thing is borked < 1305534831 442971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: heh... < 1305534834 84552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn\t, no < 1305534835 41739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't < 1305534841 632503 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be n*=n or n**=2 < 1305534846 25644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: right < 1305534930 140086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i='n+=1+(n==255)*(-n-1)' < 1305534931 768257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does in fact work < 1305534933 620230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305534937 70783 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is long. < 1305534944 384894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=255;i='n+=1+(n==255)*-255';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)' < 1305534945 257637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :identical < 1305534953 488083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305534954 862828 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identical? < 1305534955 287969 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha... < 1305534957 241863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a four < 1305534959 545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone say four for me < 1305534962 530150 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :four? < 1305534968 632780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1305534969 615874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the digit < 1305534975 348541 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1305534984 188441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1305534985 572417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a six < 1305534987 388319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have one < 1305534988 339403 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1305534991 849443 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, okay. < 1305535009 93238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1305535012 109374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back up to eighty seven bytes < 1305535029 205544 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :六 < 1305535034 671990 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a six for you < 1305535075 435059 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305535097 976289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1+(n==255)*-256';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305535099 744381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is what we have < 1305535100 827118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? < 1305535111 447171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305535115 777118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmp(n,twofivefive) might help < 1305535124 474143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs(cmp(n,twofivefive))... no, too long < 1305535130 806704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh wait < 1305535132 960608 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1305535144 453739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=abs(cmp(n,255))';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305535146 31577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :identical char count < 1305535182 924612 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this fully functional? < 1305535185 904621 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm pretty stumped now. :P < 1305535186 795257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1305535192 661588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah im losing ideas < 1305535200 115136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: throw us a bone? :P < 1305535271 416514 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305535285 781287 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can think of would be to find another solution and compare its bytecount < 1305535292 153061 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305535302 466515 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now at 73B, but i think it is certainly cheating < 1305535314 965726 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it fails to implement the full Deadfish spec < 1305535319 390404 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, does it work? < 1305535339 162254 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidentally, yes < 1305535351 766633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: cheating is ok :) < 1305535352 763341 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examples do not test one behavior of the interpreter < 1305535358 766216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going below 0? < 1305535366 487337 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tested. < 1305535370 796992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305535375 471553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring to two-five-six? < 1305535386 22945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if thats not tested we could save *(n!=16) < 1305535394 388592 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is tested in the third example < 1305535396 459190 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddoioidososisosiodsiodsioissiosoh < 1305535402 829561 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the examples. < 1305535407 467542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305535414 683189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: then i am not sure what behaviour you refer to :-P < 1305535414 859711 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tests squaring to 256 < 1305535420 838038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is baically all behaviours < 1305535422 481755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one sec. < 1305535463 734338 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1305535487 312613 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305535514 527852 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305535516 873453 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out too < 1305535517 591412 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1305535527 860795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hey, tell < 1305535533 329623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shared my innovation :( < 1305535534 24398 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 here too. < 1305535535 498977 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:3 < 1305535540 617526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| < 1305535541 719372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk < 1305535547 361446 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the longest check? < 1305535552 564862 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;i='n+=abs(cmp(n,255))'; < 1305535557 589218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already said that was tested before < 1305535559 979721 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can just increment. < 1305535562 731911 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. < 1305535567 180705 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squaring to 256 was. < 1305535571 265296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean before that < 1305535583 859084 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on. < 1305535586 11422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to shave off two bytes < 1305535600 856875 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also a problem here < 1305535610 792376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ? < 1305535618 138114 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI my version is: i='h+=1';d='h-=00)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec 'n=n'+input() < 1305535864 763986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1305535865 745073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte more < 1305535874 447519 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n**2*(n!=16) < 1305535881 920404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will parse wrong < 1305535882 527208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1305535894 568989 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of how it reduces mathematically. < 1305535895 596270 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to watch operator precedence I discovered.. < 1305535907 259065 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*=n*(n!=16) < 1305535938 481594 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*=n*(n!=16) -> n=n*n*(n!=16) -> n=(n**2)*(n!=16) < 1305535943 538238 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1305535947 690078 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mathematical tricks. < 1305535957 648042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305535957 892146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input() < 1305535958 156218 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 0**0 < 1305535958 317980 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1305535958 504135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAME LENGTH < 1305535961 331808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]same length < 1305535964 147826 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you have to make o='+0;print n;n=n' < 1305535966 13592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm liking L though < 1305535971 469093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not here < 1305535975 776708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input() < 1305535977 599544 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305535979 302288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets shot. < 1305535981 296265 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way to abuse 0**0==1? < 1305535992 450778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: doubt it :) < 1305536026 377627 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second. < 1305536039 213743 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah I see. < 1305536083 11472 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any chance doing a list lookup with ord(input()-100 < 1305536083 467451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is tricky < 1305536088 122713 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :)/5 would be shorter? < 1305536093 131239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: beep, input() evals the line < 1305536100 219682 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right... < 1305536104 977116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could assign indexes to them or something and call lambdas but... no < 1305536117 828161 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1305536149 556599 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305536193 88630 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsio < 1305536206 804639 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's where it zeros. < 1305536207 148587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsio < 1305536210 330080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsio dsio dsio dsio < 1305536224 19093 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1305536229 350470 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1305536270 95441 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i got it. 72B. < 1305536280 913708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: not gonna divulge the secret, are you >:D < 1305536286 136201 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell us~ < 1305536290 549954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: CakeProphet: TOGETHER WE WILL ACHIEVE THIS < 1305536292 744028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1305536294 794095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us of course :D < 1305536296 624281 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, well i don't tell you, as it will spoil the fun ;) < 1305536300 428312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305536301 647943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" < 1305536303 336853 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, how clever is it? < 1305536303 815476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305536317 211785 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder. < 1305536318 647673 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, not beyond your expectation. it's actually quite simple. < 1305536326 258391 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some hax we can reduce it farther with? < 1305536347 222745 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i see, it seems very hard. it might be the tight minimum. < 1305536349 92668 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305536367 91091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolgomorov complexity of deadfish-without-increment-checking :) < 1305536375 757277 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1305536411 395001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1305536484 986774 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i got it one byte smaller again. < 1305536489 317032 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray < 1305536491 964767 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir. < 1305536492 623840 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You. < 1305536493 924422 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305536497 114102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1305536504 133531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305536510 489610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to credit us as hash-esoteric < 1305536511 500905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be < 1305536522 715076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash-esoteric-apart-from-that-lifthrasiir-guy-who-was-just-horrible-and-kept-secrets >:D < 1305536526 555779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1305536529 374625 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305536535 962128 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I reduce it below lifthrasiir, I'm going to keep secrets too. < 1305536547 920538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happened to teamwork :( < 1305536549 828813 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ord(raw_input)/5-20 would be smaller than subtracting 100 and then dividing by 5, still I doubt the replacement will beat the 12 characters that you get to remove from doing so. < 1305536556 337795 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raw_input() < 1305536560 845001 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, who was the person that pointed out exec input() will work? :3 < 1305536567 279768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: me < 1305536574 621776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh :p < 1305536575 340817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1305536576 270709 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1305536590 889534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you just said input(), I worked out the exec() part myself :-D < 1305536595 775167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joint discovery < 1305536597 423498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1305536606 590223 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. < 1305536614 223427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M GLAD WE'RE IN AGREEMENT < 1305536615 478144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305536620 165322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as simple as just shaving one byte off is it :D < 1305536629 368067 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought the golfing consists of two parts: applying the standard techniques, and brute-forcing. < 1305536673 918888 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter clever you are, you have to experiment with several possible approaches (and possible sub-approaches within them) < 1305536682 378115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...maybe that sixteen check could be simplified < 1305536684 321023 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real fun, of course < 1305536697 696888 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/modindex.html < 1305536702 665706 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's raze the earth. < 1305536719 340359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no modules can help us now < 1305536749 324757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's backtrack < 1305536750 228848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s='n*=n*(n!=16)' < 1305536752 358472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte off this... < 1305536764 457650 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only page you have to keep is http://docs.python.org/library/functions < 1305536802 908470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course < 1305536807 573895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoryview() is the key to solving ALL OUR PROBLEMS < 1305536821 458162 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for it costs at least 12 bytes. :p < 1305536825 878623 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that* < 1305536892 383540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: any ideas? < 1305536909 746296 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try to get rid of those quotes if I had any idea how. < 1305536914 63342 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we can. < 1305536920 754961 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking. < 1305537010 746890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1305537020 48619 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, did anagolf have a setpid interface? that will make a better use of $$ (for example). < 1305537025 20979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305537029 315479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can't use that in python :) < 1305537036 812268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: quick, give us an excruciatingly vague hint to shave a byte off this :D < 1305537039 236274 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and seems quite cheating ;) < 1305537115 236004 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt property() is of any use to us, but the idea is interesting. < 1305537129 895650 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for one byte, i think you were on the better track than me to point out where to shave off. for other one byte, it will follow naturally from the first one. < 1305537141 141164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1305537143 101287 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i can say at this moment < 1305537154 517287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so trying to simplify n*=n*(n!=16) somehow... < 1305537223 649438 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n**=2*n==16';while 1:exec input() < 1305537225 793420 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one byte, right? < 1305537240 287310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305537243 299029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will parse wrongly] < 1305537246 894359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need parens around n==sixteen < 1305537248 730524 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :== is looser than * < 1305537257 172085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305537257 253721 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1305537257 376221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input() < 1305537260 105996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the two current bases < 1305537307 225409 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how s will double the value in the second one < 1305537335 89930 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er not double < 1305537338 13874 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :**2 < 1305537407 546264 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is the solution mathematical? < 1305537433 940834 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i was unable to reduce n!=16 bits. < 1305537448 431930 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait i said too much?! < 1305537454 255508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305537458 528968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still being excruciatingly vague. < 1305537518 554237 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have eval functionality? < 1305537521 378201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305537522 334726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval(x) < 1305537532 864278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but print is a statement < 1305537533 385027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1305537561 624371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sys.stdin.write() is quite wordy and requires an import < 1305537576 823692 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stdout < 1305537609 969991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is __import__('sys').stdout.write() :) < 1305537612 634479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1305537616 332533 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305537620 687758 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've checked. < 1305537621 950100 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's longer. < 1305537632 454212 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ^___^ < 1305537633 1172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ok one question < 1305537639 430888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='n+=1';d='n-=n>0';o='print n';s='n*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec input() < 1305537639 624376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input() < 1305537647 596954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: which of these is a more viable base for shaving a character? < 1305537652 505101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ? < 1305537658 172664 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 dosn't work. < 1305537663 111706 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note s < 1305537667 876209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ? < 1305537669 912131 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was asking about that earlier. < 1305537671 618929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1305537674 548657 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=n*(n!=16) < 1305537680 228859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305537692 17600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-(n>0)';o=';print n';s='*n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec'n=n'+input() < 1305537695 456153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok this base looks futile < 1305537721 854082 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we could get rid of n=0; < 1305537741 169693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately python comes with no preinitialised variables :P < 1305537742 972948 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, did you modify only the handlers? < 1305537852 70775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1305537856 130181 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :- and * have checks, right? < 1305537893 909081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305537976 341582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: just one teeny weeny excruciatingly vague hint? :D < 1305538088 725065 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can we somehow combine i and d? < 1305538139 485842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried things like that before < 1305538141 701365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: doubt it < 1305538157 203389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you SURE squaring to two five six is checked? :) < 1305538185 855162 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305538205 483395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUURE? < 1305538212 925779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305538329 265623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE? < 1305538374 447503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305538420 955447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE? < 1305538434 272462 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1305538439 544225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305538441 622778 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305538442 641568 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​VBJG < 1305538445 675047 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we assume a default operation? < 1305538469 243570 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something easily undoed. < 1305538491 619140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305538500 617507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try something along those lines < 1305538506 489575 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show simpleacro < 1305538506 861803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305538506 943690 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; main = do {len <- pick [2..10]; putStrLn =<< (replicateM len $ pick ['A'..'Z'])} where pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!) < 1305538508 160654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1305538510 249208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while x:a;b < 1305538512 789113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1305538516 335847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd need newlines indentation etc < 1305538594 578098 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305538597 406818 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dict comprehensions? < 1305538603 421585 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1305538605 885232 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to be shorter. < 1305538664 878627 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pass exec a dictionary environment, but you'd need some magic way to procedurally compress all of those strings into shorter code by taking advantage of some similarity that likely doesn't exist. < 1305538678 501340 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305538681 398342 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to combine i an dd < 1305538683 76945 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :and d* < 1305538756 531934 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1305538786 657471 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n,i,d,o,s=(0,'n+=1','n-=n>0','print n','n*=n*(n!=16)') < 1305538787 379069 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buh. < 1305538788 787684 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close. < 1305538792 659011 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 char too long < 1305538796 931449 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens aren't necessary actually < 1305538798 168441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those parens < 1305538799 806626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent needed < 1305538806 909914 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305538812 667239 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was considering that earlier but I didn't think it would actually save anything. < 1305538817 440899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without them < 1305538818 962960 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1305538820 516963 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's equal. < 1305538822 670541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its identical < 1305538823 95571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305538829 697940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the character tradeoff is literally the same < 1305538871 818152 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :split is too long < 1305539027 939257 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test" < 1305539028 555058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "test" < 1305539056 953554 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (**2) [1..] < 1305539057 675526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,4.0,9.0,16.0,25.0,36.0,49.0,64.0,81.0,100.0,121.0,144.0,169.0,196.0,22... < 1305539094 774713 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no ideas? < 1305539115 850249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i'm letting my mind churn away in a background process < 1305539134 400978 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise magic? < 1305539141 255877 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of anything in that vein < 1305539261 344791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: one measly little hint??? :) < 1305539292 164137 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, i was briefly afk having a meal. so... what is your question? < 1305539349 830093 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :execfile("deadfish.py",{"c":sys.stdin.read()}) looks promising. < 1305539350 236985 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305539375 110926 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, __file__? < 1305539390 435216 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, sorry. < 1305539401 804850 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not quite what I meant. :D < 1305539404 362809 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :import deadfish,sys;deadfish.exec(sys.stdin.read()) < 1305539410 185041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that look promising :D < 1305539423 829558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer source bytes, of course. < 1305539427 682423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: there is no question, I'm just drawing a blank :-) < 1305539428 886659 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very portable though. < 1305539431 30979 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke. < 1305539486 83739 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way that the % string operator could be used? < 1305539506 38512 :HolyBlood^AFK!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 NICK :HolyBlood < 1305539517 940713 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will save bits only when exec'prefix'+input()+'postfix' form is used. < 1305539547 997332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN, not IF, eh???? ;) < 1305539604 640308 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mind that my english is hardly fluent ;) < 1305539612 37069 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am much better at obfuscation than golf... < 1305539635 750158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I need to read _something_ in to your lines or I will never shave a byte off :-) < 1305539684 622801 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, what you considered a slight (and irrelevant) difference DOES make a big difference. < 1305539726 350571 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305539734 862271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1305539739 74702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmm < 1305539748 129019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to go and read over my earlier comments :-) < 1305539768 6352 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was my original intention when i asked for a hint at the first. :p < 1305539789 633749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, tirelessly reverting vandalism of the sandboz < 1305539796 326127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING < 1305539936 518380 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as everyone knows i'm a principled man, when i can be bothered < 1305539949 399483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you will have lots of fun with sgeo's detailed chronicle of his failureiffic attempt to implement hq[nine]+ < 1305539956 112061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by fun, i mean you will want to kill yourself. < 1305539971 484853 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i was planning to skip most of the logs today anyhow < 1305539982 226573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1305539984 39734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1305539988 160077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll miss so much of the fun :( < 1305539998 363047 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT THAT WASN'T A WARNING? < 1305540009 36944 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1305540013 960531 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​FHW < 1305540023 83518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are these UK tv licensing ads always in tamil... < 1305540025 836864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in tamil < 1305540032 740024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lian speaking surroundings < 1305540085 88490 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Home Wrecker? < 1305540093 40291 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1305540097 985076 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​JIKCR < 1305540110 258960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:37: some people like cutting their genitals, i imagine being glued from ones penis into a vagina might be a lot nicer. < 1305540110 540729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:43: hmm < 1305540110 622596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:50: wonder if this is the right chan for this :P < 1305540398 832333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how expensive segfaulting is on xeightsix/Linux < 1305540409 4306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, segfaulting, catching it, and then resuming execution < 1305540510 691890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is the postfix ")" < 1305540557 773524 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305540560 459264 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are our operations? < 1305540563 833272 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1 < 1305540565 485132 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, i think it won't reduce the code, as "i" case is too simple to add non-artificial parentheses. < 1305540580 373550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes hq9+ + need not be entirely unobservable; it could err out on overflow < 1305540604 764425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first bash script: http://pastebin.com/cuSBQsEy isn't it beautiful? < 1305540611 950442 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm now trying to golf a haskell code.... < 1305540617 503263 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean I'm a hacker now? < 1305540624 89696 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You listen to music? < 1305540628 629643 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's ears pick up < 1305540629 162609 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh, yes? < 1305540631 203493 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SILENCE MASTER RACE < 1305540635 453211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC?????????????? < 1305540641 798319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ://////////////// < 1305540644 738679 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hypocrite < 1305540661 167133 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1 < 1305540663 380193 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-(n>0) < 1305540664 879362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ok i have a rewrite of your script < 1305540670 979663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "WHY WOULD YOU EVER TURN FLACS INTO MPTHREES" < 1305540675 696549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just as good < 1305540679 529702 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*n*(n!=16) < 1305540684 715661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are our operations, right? < 1305540690 37064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also output. < 1305540691 827583 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to remove like 20 gigs of wasted space by converting all of that losslessness to psychoacoustically equivalent lossiness < 1305540711 244183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, you goofed by not using a preset :) < 1305540729 355127 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1305540730 128205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm do you even turn joint stereo on there < 1305540732 248051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you do < 1305540743 125617 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always keep the originals somewhere. < 1305540744 656421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: lame comes with preset groups of settings < 1305540751 135081 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, so you have estimated 40 gigs of pure informativeness now? < 1305540755 322280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are superior to your own choices in, like, a hundred percent of cases :) < 1305540763 231704 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-46-115.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305540772 693951 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. I'm not very well-versed in lame. < 1305540792 401121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <CakeProphet> [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame. < 1305540792 872137 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I notice anything wrong sometime. < 1305540795 326905 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​422) <.CakeProphet.>. [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame. < 1305540802 176365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305540804 719190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid special chars < 1305540811 816599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote ​422 < 1305540813 506703 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305540815 405305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well you won't really :P < 1305540823 287764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the wildly excessive -V0 anyway < 1305540834 733696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: but seriously though < 1305540835 508396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg, man < 1305540837 959468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ogg?? < 1305540843 693629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise < 1305540844 322414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorbis < 1305540858 65185 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, consistency. < 1305540862 58386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"consistency"? < 1305540881 127481 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, keep a single file format or something. I honestly didn't have a reason for picking mp3. < 1305540889 958209 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. I have an idea for golfing. < 1305540922 453969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: vorbis = smaller files (much lower bitrate with same quality), more reliable seeking, better tag format, ~~~|~|~open standard|~|~|~|~ :P < 1305540925 721795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wat < 1305540934 897550 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check if it works < 1305541005 30822 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went nowhere. < 1305541013 344092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1305541014 747075 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: too late now, I think. And I'd have to convert like 100 gigs of mp3s to vorbis, which would incur a slight quality loss. < 1305541021 641728 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+';d='-';o=';print n;';s='*=n*(n!=16)*';while 1:exec "n"+input()+"=n>0" < 1305541026 92917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: s/slight/awful/ < 1305541042 953080 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I may convert any other FLACs I accumulate to ogg, however. < 1305541047 769939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: oh, nice < 1305541066 88474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: man, I refuse to believe you couldn't have backed all those precious flacs up by buying a cheapo external drive :) < 1305541077 898862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S LIKE MURDER < 1305541108 637151 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that script actually doesn't delete them. But yes I did immediately do a find . -name *.flac -delete after it finished. :P < 1305541142 211656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monser :( < 1305541153 187769 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305541154 50946 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1305541158 831865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+t < 1305541160 922944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster < 1305541168 165249 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything I can think of makes s larger < 1305541177 296436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: darn < 1305541179 348516 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too large to be acceptable. < 1305541233 481753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: note that exec "n[percent]s=n>0"[percent]input() is one byte shorter < 1305541241 383670 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1305541245 604621 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already thought of that. < 1305541251 188971 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305541257 363649 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did lifthrasiir actually do that yet? < 1305541267 984798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what < 1305541277 918157 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ify < 1305541284 191806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir did mention something about saving space with formatting in that way < 1305541287 843583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made me suspicious :) < 1305541298 200894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would he write it out to check just for us? no, surely his solution involves it ;D < 1305541397 316340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope < 1305541402 226900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how that hostname reveals all his previous nicks :D < 1305541406 757676 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar, but my code has fewer semicolons. < 1305541441 752726 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1305541445 674231 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think of it. < 1305541450 723022 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have quite a few possibilities to try. < 1305541456 356459 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305541467 529672 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we do something involving input%[something] < 1305541467 672523 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what was your suggested change to my script? < 1305541471 520207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop that pinging-on-a-separate-line thing :P < 1305541478 521892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: to replace it with that echo :D < 1305541484 342633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Define [something] < 1305541486 549978 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, IO in haskell is too hard. < 1305541487 398229 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh right. < 1305541500 943351 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard as in it uses a lot of bytes? < 1305541528 391604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: naw it's not :) < 1305541534 186448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's deadfish in haskell is pretty tiny already < 1305541534 268672 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's the thing. < 1305541538 655133 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe oerjan can help you with haskell golfing, since he's a Haskell wizard. < 1305541539 365079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers golfing his own < 1305541544 515318 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, getting it work (with a reasonablly minimal code) is hard < 1305541546 169225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be 2 chars or more, right? < 1305541553 707859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: hey i at /least/ count as an apprentice >:) < 1305541553 789698 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it would be no benefit < 1305541568 19354 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting < 1305541568 704348 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urg. < 1305541569 363410 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1305541572 343425 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try a Perl golf tomorrow.. < 1305541612 293384 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: usually means you have two many tuple elements and not enough %'s < 1305541615 974371 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1305541623 888637 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I know. < 1305541653 591931 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not too shabby with Haskell myself. But I'm certainly not advanced. < 1305541743 8295 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terse lambda syntax will be very helpful with haskell golfing I think. < 1305541751 864752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that will help deadfish :) < 1305541759 95297 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0>';o=';print ';s='*=(n!=16)*';while 1:exec "n%sn"%input() < 1305541760 406552 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit. < 1305541761 401999 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close. < 1305541776 296756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0> < 1305541777 940857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 0< < 1305541794 587803 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305541802 419341 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i finally got it work. i wonder why i put the redundant return... < 1305541804 703883 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o=';print ';s='*=(n!=16)*';while 1:exec"n%sn"%input() < 1305541806 438917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o=';print ';s='*=(n!=16)*';while 1:exec'n%sn'%input() < 1305541806 637659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduced a space... < 1305541808 102677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte shaved < 1305541808 518915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305541809 337725 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :163 bytes for now. < 1305541810 984113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like how that hostname reveals all his previous nicks :D <-- well technically not uorygl (which i still see him using on reddit) < 1305541820 703179 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: too much C style programming probably. :P < 1305541850 873372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1';d='-=0>=) (return 0) [f "i", f "s", ...] on the IO monad. < 1305541873 101808 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305541876 52739 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is not quite imperative... < 1305541878 38436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you may find the sequence function relevant < 1305541879 614406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1305541880 395372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] < 1305541890 41473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1305541894 24141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl foldl (>>=) < 1305541894 106122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (>>=) < 1305541923 734249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?hoogle [a -> a -> m a] -> m a -> m a < 1305541923 870406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldlM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> t b -> m a < 1305541923 968254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad foldM :: Monad m => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a < 1305541924 50203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldrM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m b) -> b -> t a -> m b < 1305541929 970943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1305541945 697654 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uhm, (f instr v) returns a new value of accumulator, so it has to be folded. < 1305541955 481834 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost positive a Perl version would just s/// everything < 1305541955 565919 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying not to use imports ;) < 1305541970 683938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, s///ge, i think. < 1305541976 834724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: right < 1305541977 344558 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :..well, yes. < 1305541989 837019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: are you repeating f all those times? < 1305541999 776377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: presumably he is using map... < 1305542004 513121 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, of course using map. < 1305542022 643309 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = getContents >>= (\x -> foldl (>>=) (return 0) $ map f $ lines x) < 1305542033 34591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an expanded version right :D < 1305542051 939309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've got nothing. < 1305542058 372291 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl (\x -> foldl (>>=) (return 0) $ map f $ lines x) < 1305542058 454337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (>>=) (return 0) . map f . lines < 1305542060 349496 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i'm very new to haskell, i think it has a room for improvements. < 1305542060 816673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you can use foldl ((>>=).f) i think < 1305542073 179355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1305542073 705111 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, right. < 1305542086 50329 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl ftw < 1305542089 765953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=getContents>>=foldl((>>=).f)(return 0).map f.lines < 1305542093 816082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1305542093 942154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305542096 547932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=getContents>>=foldl((>>=).f)(return 0).lines < 1305542096 644995 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong argument order, slightly < 1305542098 362855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1305542123 37865 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, yes it is. < 1305542130 426404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier with foldr, that trick < 1305542142 685044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:56:45: bsmntbombdood is 15, clog is prolly <5, GregorR is... 18? immibis wouldn't tell me his age :P lament is older, i'm 18, pikhq is 17, RodgerTheGreat is 19, Sgeo is... 17? (random guess), SimonRC is... 17? < 1305542145 726330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gregor is eighteen < 1305542163 545541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually shouldn't it be foldr anyhow < 1305542170 414892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is where we stand. < 1305542170 728107 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 #esoteric 74 0.0918 11/05/16 19:25:47 0B / 37B / 32B < 1305542174 991842 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 lifthrasiir 71 0.0933 11/05/16 17:50:49 0B / 33B / 36B < 1305542179 187175 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is our target. < 1305542181 332161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: um < 1305542183 198968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have seventy-three < 1305542191 235369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you submit a version with borked linebreaks? < 1305542197 479747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to submit it myself because i know how to fix that :) < 1305542222 134609 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Unix system. < 1305542230 497872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1305542232 94396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http is still \r\n < 1305542236 947953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you need to upload a file instead < 1305542242 530768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also strip off the final newline from the file < 1305542247 640174 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305542285 385272 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will find :set noeol binary is helpful in vim. < 1305542288 894129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ok maybe the argument order problem means you cannot save over map anyway < 1305542297 869968 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you submit it. < 1305542299 855832 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i think so. < 1305542311 878488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: also it should be foldr, i'm pretty sure < 1305542327 901475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait hm < 1305542340 470812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: not until we shave off a byte :P < 1305542361 299890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0B / 33B / 36B < 1305542364 633214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0B / 37B / 32B < 1305542365 147424 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it should be foldl, as >>= should be called in the input order < 1305542369 560662 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the changed balance. < 1305542381 338538 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-4 alphanum < 1305542384 917108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok i'm just disturbed that you thus require a finite input :) < 1305542391 857157 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :+4 symbols < 1305542407 412995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: are we cheating with lifthrasiir's stat count?? :D < 1305542412 116445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x op -> x >>= f op) < 1305542412 197461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. f) . (>>=) < 1305542417 62950 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it *has* to be finite. :p < 1305542427 949191 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. < 1305542441 503161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: standard deadfish has no steenking need for finite input < 1305542447 274195 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making 2 bytes of newline < 1305542456 377407 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a golfing, with only three examples. :p < 1305542457 79036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll grant the golf examples probably are < 1305542472 33192 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\v -> print v >> return v) < 1305542472 115055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 (>>) print return < 1305542472 720779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our total adds up to 69 < 1305542474 478439 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isn't counted? < 1305542477 928531 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1305542484 686338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: newlines maybe < 1305542491 213681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: @pl says it would be foldl ((.f).(>>=)) which is obviously too many extra chars < 1305542515 199298 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl 33+36 < 1305542515 306457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 < 1305542518 470036 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?pl 37+32 < 1305542518 551171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 < 1305542541 136592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl as an evaluator :D < 1305542542 268570 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol is [!\"\#$%&'()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\\]^_`{|}~]. < 1305542548 109138 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, there is some characters not in any categories. < 1305542553 872661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : main = getContents >>= (\x -> foldl (>>=) (return 0) $ map f $ lines x) <-- aka main = getContents >>= foldl (>>=) (return 0) . map f . lines < 1305542555 45103 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1305542556 145046 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are? < 1305542561 753760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh elliott already said < 1305542568 683437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:08:27: does glass-0.12 support input? < 1305542568 844332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:11:44: does glass-0.12 support input? < 1305542568 927386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:11:50: as in, the I class? < 1305542569 9166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:14:35: i repeat: does glass-0.12 support input? < 1305542569 9399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:14:45: glass-0.7 doesn't. < 1305542573 447012 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, whitespaces. < 1305542575 103754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis' patience is astonishing < 1305542612 340977 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah pointfree style is turned out to be quite helpful in golfing... ;) < 1305542635 234750 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass has the most sophisticated object oriented input handling of all esolangs < 1305542638 367493 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! < 1305542649 787276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from ORK < 1305542650 683169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305542658 893333 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so, eh. < 1305542661 295731 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tough contest. < 1305542673 729510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to invent a new esolang. It's been a while. < 1305542684 577414 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the prefixes and postfixes consisting of letters? < 1305542691 163010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the prospect of updating http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ehird deters me somewhat. < 1305542693 314302 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a concept for a poetry-based language. < 1305542698 58445 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's about as far as I've gotten. < 1305542702 695019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you SEEN the code to that thing???? < 1305542728 49577 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I. but the sun is starting to rise, which means I should go to sleep. < 1305542736 243876 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night, all. < 1305542755 666058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell goes to sleep that early :o < 1305542767 777542 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, does it matter? < 1305542769 668899 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<< < 1305542770 976677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like < 1305542775 638752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep as soon as you wake up < 1305542778 604731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've only been up like < 1305542780 154241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty hours < 1305542781 377582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1305542790 576897 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey we do have a way to use div and span now, remember? < 1305542793 243090 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, does it? < 1305542807 675649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but I'm not about to _port_ that page < 1305542825 426366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: besides the template engine would probably go out back and shoot itself. < 1305542956 208025 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305542958 893874 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll purge your user page. < 1305542973 143383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seirously. < 1305542976 966262 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously* < 1305542978 528147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make me write a script to drop lines whose contents are "elliott." < 1305542981 626014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1305542983 322748 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's up with the user page? < 1305542989 398264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: What's up with it??? It's AWESOME. < 1305542992 93077 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems simple enough to modify. < 1305542993 747019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Snowman in the Land of Snow. < 1305543003 879188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Dude, it features a u tag inside an i tag inside a b tag. < 1305543006 804240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emulating a list. < 1305543017 689666 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 bytes. < 1305543061 887021 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone interested, my entry is: r=return;f"i"v=r(v+1);f"d"v=r$max(v-1)0;f"s"16=r 0;f"s"v=r$v*v;f"o"v=print v>>r v;main=getContents>>=foldl(>>=)(r 0).map f.lines < 1305543065 74492 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I cannot determine the magic of which you used < 1305543099 358009 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, my prefix consists of one byte, and suffix (yes i have one) consists of two bytes. < 1305543135 423954 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as i'm going to go home i'll be afk from now on... good luck on golfing. :) < 1305543145 904622 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um doesn't the contest keep the 256 wrapping rule? < 1305543162 220968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but it only tests it by squaring < 1305543163 841657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never by incrementing < 1305543174 961720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1305543181 631332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh :D < 1305543191 639031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice cheat i guess < 1305543253 121697 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :iissds[31 is] < 1305543257 341176 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortest way to test it I can think of. < 1305543258 759965 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1305543326 584580 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, lessee, r=return;f"s"16=r 0 vs r 256=r 0;r n=return n < 1305543353 848406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the cheat save 3 chars < 1305543363 443822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*saves < 1305543470 72431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305543506 775712 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+=1';d='-=n>0';o=';print n';s='*=n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec"n%s"%input() < 1305543510 673666 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we trim three bytes off that? < 1305543526 56475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec'n'+input() < 1305543526 789206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh :) < 1305543565 442129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was two < 1305543578 754776 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but that's longer < 1305543585 845079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1305543587 464230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1305543589 355897 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do we not trust lifthrasiir. < 1305543596 500806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir used a suffix, duh < 1305543599 635145 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1305543603 83979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't < 1305543605 25671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a suffix < 1305543607 586622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + is shorter < 1305543611 746922 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what suffix can you use to trim that down? < 1305543618 144726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1305543635 515659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything other than n that makes sense? < 1305543643 930197 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a prefix. < 1305543650 573279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=n, maybe < 1305543887 438110 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=0;i='+1';d='-n>0';o=';print n';s='*n*(n!=16)';while 1:exec"n=n%s"%input() < 1305543890 761214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of postfix would help? < 1305543907 130256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1305543917 253211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps n)? < 1305543925 672366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then s='*n*(16!=' < 1305543931 383822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And o=';print(' < 1305543939 864032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And d='-(0<' < 1305543948 503051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i='+1;(' < 1305544152 695318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305544159 530863 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 char longer < 1305544212 32939 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way n can be better than n=n < 1305544217 325347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1305544221 245444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, we're golfing < 1305544224 626513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1305544249 3520 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.98.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305544365 3732 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : similar, but my code has fewer semicolons. < 1305544367 366193 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you manage that? < 1305544382 209615 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia, hmm, my prefix consists of one byte, and suffix (yes i have one) consists of two bytes. < 1305544385 384078 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What useful non-- < 1305544387 4052 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second. < 1305544483 316303 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec"p"+input() < 1305544485 438466 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :One byte'd < 1305544490 769363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the p. < 1305544491 420511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305544492 459292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1305544493 878004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... < 1305544496 87475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's perverse. < 1305544501 565134 :HolyBlood!jassumjas@77.29.8.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305544507 692931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I can beat this record of yours. < 1305544550 504510 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then... < 1305544576 698730 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you reduce that? < 1305544578 435764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;(';d='-=(0<';o='rint(';s='*=p*(16!=';while 1:exec'p%sp)'%input() < 1305544579 213737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1305544581 975519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's longer. < 1305544681 266623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: P.S. Stop using double-quoted strings, they're ugly. :p < 1305544696 372396 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1305544707 852738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1305544717 739119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is tricky. < 1305544724 512802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1305544728 935256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Your record is seventy-two bytes, right? < 1305544731 25353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305544733 285618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's seventy-two bytes. < 1305544739 312944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is your... < 1305544742 510380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your record is seventy-one. < 1305544754 832220 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :God. < 1305544758 437467 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did my brain come up with that idea? < 1305544766 798695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Using p? < 1305544770 880288 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1305544771 427344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty scared of you for that one. < 1305544779 408546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... breaking levels of abstraction that were not meant to be broken. < 1305544792 705061 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyword abuse? < 1305544794 359503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1305544807 426728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305544810 441245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth could his suffix be < 1305544816 805613 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305544823 425122 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think he did the 'p' thing too, or did he do something else? < 1305544828 144476 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to stop doing the highlight thing < 1305544833 152796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305544836 20268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect he did the p thing too. < 1305544842 825529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said that something I thought didn't matter mattered a lot. < 1305544851 10635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd said previously that his h variable was cute but didn't really matter. < 1305544873 641972 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1305544883 522564 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he didn't use it, ask him if he has the string "rint" in his program. < 1305544886 137489 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back, finally you found it... ;) < 1305544888 873610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305544898 440046 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes the first one is p-rint thing.) < 1305544901 714432 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs lifthrasiir in the heart < 1305544910 613941 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals and eats said heart < 1305544915 463586 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1305544920 339407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now Lymia is the lizard queen < 1305544931 419869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1305544932 871430 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets heartburn < 1305544935 168282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could the second thing be... < 1305544936 678404 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too meaty. < 1305544945 56540 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should go for 80 bytes. < 1305544994 760482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already got below that... < 1305545000 663669 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :70*] < 1305545005 268202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, that's the goal < 1305545005 350186 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1305545012 876532 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it to PM? < 1305545012 987446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we need to replicate lifthrasiir's achievement first :) < 1305545016 952199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1305545023 565224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody in here is going to run off with the solution or anything < 1305545030 532629 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except me. < 1305545033 327452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's plenty of good golfers that might be able to help :P < 1305545050 820231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is what we have right now, for the amusement factor: p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305545079 931866 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then... < 1305545097 71612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you golfing, specifically? < 1305545112 672951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish? < 1305545121 477403 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish, where 255+1 = 256 < 1305545122 868116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Deadfish, with the caveat that all input is on a line of its own < 1305545128 916788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 255+1 is never tested < 1305545134 728258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 16*16 is? < 1305545137 206190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and occasionally "h" is used at the end, but we just let it error out to halt and that's fine < 1305545138 357467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed < 1305545138 672037 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305545146 475332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key to understanding the above is to note that python's input() evals < 1305545151 12001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]Python's < 1305545154 718297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what an arbitrary set of conditions < 1305545162 604106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh < 1305545164 696047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the h thing is irrelevant < 1305545170 403628 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since examples do not test the interpreters thoroughly < 1305545174 713300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 255+1 thing ... well, Deadfish's wrapping is insane anyway < 1305545177 374859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I meant the 255+1 thing < 1305545219 90517 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :God. < 1305545223 799663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We managed to make Python look like perl. < 1305545225 986388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's f-ing fast[exclamation mark]" --IE9 web ad < 1305545228 1213 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we be proud? < 1305545229 826290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... < 1305545232 257895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft... < 1305545235 815657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: this doesn't really look like perl < 1305545242 110249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl golfing results have a lot more symbols < 1305545252 254695 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1305545293 394023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Can you reveal the first character of your prefix? :-D < 1305545302 866811 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hold on~ < 1305545304 869899 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try something < 1305545337 216750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305545371 401954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<=';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input() < 1305545373 786486 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 1 byte longer < 1305545375 951444 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope. ;) < 1305545387 822481 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, elliott. < 1305545389 447179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: second byte? :D < 1305545391 840368 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think you are very close to my solution < 1305545393 466082 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we use (operation)p < 1305545399 796570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: eh? < 1305545421 301786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input() < 1305545423 794499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the equal sign was unnecessary < 1305545424 964852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is equal now < 1305545445 564570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1305545446 101022 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying some alternative approaches, without success so far. < 1305545447 894654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one char over < 1305545448 379509 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is. < 1305545453 173039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one char over < 1305545456 846716 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 Take it to PM? <-- #esoteric, where the most on-topic conversations are being asked to take it to pm < 1305546349 954984 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in this case, it's for secrecy's sake. < 1305546358 369393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did my connection time out _through an ethernet cable_. < 1305546396 588487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your router: it is fucked. < 1305546521 323118 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do call connecters "female" and "male" < 1305546648 949006 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ran out of electrons < 1305546895 494799 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a seven to < 1305547016 9694 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :router fucked? don't worry, i fix < 1305547017 658832 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fukung.net/v/30871/9fc6f08b367a738e4cf60d17a790e607.jpg < 1305547408 431412 :HolyBlood!jassumjas@77.29.8.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305547479 136131 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : 02:56:45: bsmntbombdood is 15, clog is prolly <5, GregorR is... 18? immibis wouldn't tell me his age :P lament is older, i'm 18, pikhq is 17, RodgerTheGreat is 19, Sgeo is... 17? (random guess), SimonRC is... 17? < 1305547481 698536 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on the list. < 1305547482 715788 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What gives. < 1305547537 797970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither am I < 1305547564 712461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my age is probably publicly available < 1305547564 956964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful, as I can no longer remember what it is < 1305547565 716313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I just mentally calculated it at 24) < 1305547570 789059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from 07. < 1305547578 935285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Lymia used to be someone else here. < 1305547596 649792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Worrying things: when Debian decides to identify as "wheezy/sid". < 1305547670 983520 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how old am I then? < 1305547690 914210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1305547705 881603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I only quoted that line because of how hilariously wrong it is, so I could just make up a number if you wanted. < 1305547712 629307 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up? < 1305547713 730273 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :' 3' < 1305547723 173149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you're 11. < 1305547728 180000 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305547728 655719 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i think they are all represented in hexadecimal. < 1305547731 687387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1305547747 223369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: plausible :D < 1305547782 629835 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only applicable to some other planet than earth. < 1305547833 645954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have a more serious guess? < 1305547834 850832 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious. < 1305547878 221422 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40e1f.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305547881 204217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be rather young because you're asking, but you never talk so how could anyone know < 1305547907 243483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i'm terrible at estimating people's ages < 1305547917 624696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because i always inflate the estimate to avoid offending people or something? < 1305547943 97039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's kind of hard to guess when your frame of reference is fucked up enough that nobody can guess /yours/ :) < 1305547980 190223 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1305547996 240957 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, stop using loic. < 1305547997 567029 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic* < 1305548013 46092 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna guess Lymia is 16 because it's a very neutral age < 1305548037 76011 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i would never use logic < 1305548088 51613 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, is the other reduction also perverse? < 1305548092 230491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 16 sounds vaguely right < 1305548096 24107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guess is just based on the ring of it < 1305548097 19934 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduction! < 1305548098 80976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic is irrelevant ofc < 1305548109 480593 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a reduction today < 1305548113 773888 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove P = NP < 1305548119 352159 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did have some assumptions tho < 1305548131 511338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: now you have to report on the accuracy of our guess < 1305548158 912765 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1305548166 251844 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a guess, so +-infinity < 1305548186 714981 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.8.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305548193 986495 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe */infinity, but certainly not +- < 1305548195 552184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Oh come on, you can't openly solicit guesses then be coy about it. < 1305548208 726110 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're off by 2. < 1305548227 588040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 ;D < 1305548259 643543 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're off by +-4 < 1305548270 320947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1305548275 520737 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305548277 6603 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooo math prob < 1305548288 8580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, sixteen is two off from ten < 1305548288 889489 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard tho < 1305548292 750645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGIC < 1305548295 257187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is quite sure she mentioned being in grade school in here < 1305548302 773655 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is grade school < 1305548315 877921 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :she? are you femaly? < 1305548323 119038 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything below college and above kindergarten. < 1305548326 531064 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *female < 1305548328 577422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you saying you're actually 10 because sixteen is so not two off from ten :D < 1305548351 711993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "femaly" is a really great word < 1305548359 850285 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why i almost didn't correct it < 1305548361 172661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even the beestst word < 1305548394 450940 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not 10. < 1305548394 721989 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i'm currently looking for a gf/fuckbuddy, are you in finland by any chance? < 1305548400 377998 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, pedophile. < 1305548415 795156 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i did manage to solve the problem < 1305548422 863111 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i'm a mathematician < 1305548427 660443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,addquote all that text < 1305548436 911035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oklopol, you so wacky < 1305548443 12682 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm 14. < 1305548446 990193 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiat what < 1305548448 506997 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been golfing with a little girl. < 1305548451 886247 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedophile. < 1305548455 408662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 ;D < 1305548455 640972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You're off by +-4 < 1305548457 437528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible lies :( < 1305548467 26718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wait someone younger than me in here who isn't an idiot? < 1305548468 554656 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-4 includes a difference by "0" < 1305548469 77527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not allowed : ( < 1305548474 281253 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanting to have sex with a 14yo doesn't make you a pedophile < 1305548487 730815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically correct. the best kind of correct < 1305548508 290851 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanting to have sex with someone who's prepubescent makes you a pedophile < 1305548530 651673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember being 14, it was... uh... pretty much like being 15 is to be honest < 1305548549 430335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i would say the experience is effectively equivalent < 1305548553 252941 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember being 13, it was... uh... pretty much like being 14 is to be honest < 1305548568 609121 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I was just started in programming < 1305548570 17959 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 21 was way different than being 22 < 1305548570 168906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember being three, in fact i am three < 1305548577 96002 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too embarrassed to show code. < 1305548578 870627 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAY different < 1305548579 436211 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well, yeah. < 1305548582 169433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: lol you just started programming when you were 13? n00blet < 1305548596 943677 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I should add the qualifier "serious" < 1305548599 627678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION desperately tries to forget his horrific age-8 experience with PHP. < 1305548604 793096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many wasted years : ( < 1305548613 579513 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall messing with Lego robotics. < 1305548621 413663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really have a ph.d. by this point, dunno where it all went wrong < 1305548625 772443 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never managed anything serious, as changing things around got too annoying. < 1305548640 14211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it went wrong when you encountered the education system < 1305548671 800348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait shit asiekierka is 13 now isn't he < 1305548688 707840 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka? < 1305548690 565211 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know him? < 1305548695 280995 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? the education system has been great towards elliott < 1305548701 386375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes. he comes here regularly to be a complete and utter idiot. < 1305548710 176245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not so regularly nowadays < 1305548728 134695 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. because he's gay and likes to get fucked in the ass. < 1305548731 965835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1305548749 231855 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305548753 840863 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was clear enough < 1305548760 22145 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, that's not a nice thing to say < 1305548777 722845 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: then you didn't get it < 1305548799 964667 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rape is never funny. < 1305548801 633192 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1305548898 921578 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's different for males, see when we get fucked in the ass we like to brag about it with our buddies < 1305548921 11079 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you still have no idea what i'm talking about < 1305548921 177122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lymia: lol you just started programming when you were 13? n00blet < 1305548922 627014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi! < 1305548932 761216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nooblet < 1305548957 780322 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, sickos. < 1305549004 356459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is it possible to die of laughter im just checking < 1305549015 731756 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. < 1305549027 265563 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add water to mouth. < 1305549028 100504 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laugh. < 1305549051 157352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i remember being 14, it was... uh... pretty much like being 15 is to be honest < 1305549064 148209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't witnessed the sunny uplands of being 16 yet. < 1305549081 165676 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and the transition from 19 to 20, wow THAT was something < 1305549081 444079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I recall messing with Lego robotics. < 1305549092 90128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once did that for work experience. < 1305549109 235152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover how experienced with work would you say you are < 1305549123 392838 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it didn't go well at all. < 1305549142 543397 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall doing scripts in Touhou Danmakufu around 12, though nothing serious at all. < 1305549158 612939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, any work that entails messing around with Lego robots is probably delegatable to me. < 1305549174 15292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle. < 1305549187 468107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle. < 1305549188 973188 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​423) Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle. < 1305549352 355488 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pedo < 1305549373 475927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You two are both pathetic, I learnt Lisp like a month after starting programming. < 1305549393 632217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learnt lisp about 10 years after starting programming < 1305549409 731400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barfed out the lisp self-interpreter five nanoseconds after the universe began < 1305549414 753391 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i STILL don't know how to make coffee < 1305549441 739422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i learnt lisp years before starting programming < 1305549459 314975 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least i'm sure i read a book about lisp with no access to an implementation < 1305549478 675240 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same with basic, even earlier) < 1305549506 673572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wanting to have sex with a 14yo doesn't make you a pedophile < 1305549510 955228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it makes you cheater. < 1305549519 474413 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a book about c++ when i was 10 or something and found i could program it just fine when i first tried it at 14 or something < 1305549548 919960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have briefly started entertaining the notion that cheater_ _is_ roman polanski, since he brought up the name < 1305549569 329122 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or a normal adult male < 1305549610 580301 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on what kind of wanting it is i suppose, if your *dick < 1305549615 834224 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :* minds, that's just weird < 1305549626 792179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all the pieces fit except for the fact that cheater does not appear to have any sort of creative talent at all < 1305549633 754593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... probably... no < 1305549661 215432 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. good point. < 1305549670 92405 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my mind, cheater is the guy who doesn't do anything particularly anything, and everyone hates him < 1305549681 746347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mind known as reality < 1305549724 856311 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1305549727 842169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people never say that to me < 1305549744 291024 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. we are all figments of your imagination. < 1305549760 906087 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately it is a very vivid imagination, so we don't really mind. < 1305549761 108233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain a lot. < 1305549792 558905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you wouldn't want to be in my imagination < 1305549795 453889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw oerjan i found your photo again in the logs < 1305549800 80363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... obviously not a photo of you i mean come on < 1305549801 500283 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you _might_ want to cut down on the pain and suffering a bit, but otherwise fine. < 1305549807 634142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how gullible do you think we are < 1305549815 243460 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll consider that < 1305549821 526214 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well. < 1305549848 527797 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found an ASM patch to the Super Mario World ROM from... late 2008 < 1305549850 88079 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I win? < 1305549850 518762 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1305549877 610890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: is it a golfed Deadfish interp in Python? < 1305549880 428458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, probably not < 1305549894 869700 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey. < 1305549903 681902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1305549904 625369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've found an ASM patch to the Super Mario World ROM from... late 2008 < 1305549910 384449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm isn't really coding it's more... munging < 1305549920 733576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inference states that I first wrote a program before that. < 1305549921 379264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a lot less talent, otoh this means it's difficult if you're actually any good at progrmaming < 1305549938 837318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in other news, roman numeral look and say seems rather more complicated to analyse than i hoped < 1305549959 691041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, classical numerals or medieval? < 1305549971 661133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's probably a good thing, right? < 1305549973 146833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be TC < 1305549982 543954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "brute force?" < 1305549982 713151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IV kinds. the IIII is much more trivial. < 1305549985 78057 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right. < 1305549985 740919 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1305549986 761051 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1305550004 215954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it might be TC < 1305550008 514388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305550009 827260 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should revisit hacking at SMW's assembly some day. < 1305550010 311211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so awesome < 1305550013 507516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with IIII you can only add groups at the beginning, so no exponential growth) < 1305550020 373337 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you want to see some of my earlier code? < 1305550029 274709 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a "pleasant" sight~ < 1305550054 682109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite clearly none of you have seen my horrifying sort function written in CL. < 1305550066 84020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SHOW < 1305550067 34889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: feeling embarassed at your early code is the sign of a good programmer < 1305550071 276447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noöne will, since it was on the laptop my father spilt wine onto last night. < 1305550075 410109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1305550079 486246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a sign of a terrible flawed programmer < 1305550082 19924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the hard drive probably isn't unrecoverable < 1305550082 493537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you code < 1305550083 294836 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1305550084 652347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly < 1305550086 28251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the start < 1305550089 14733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's no embarrassment ever < 1305550091 852020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody codes perfectly from the start < 1305550094 851224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even you < 1305550096 351301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, says he who started with PHP. < 1305550104 406720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, what an amazing way to cover up for your insecurities < 1305550110 710588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful denial < 1305550116 8344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT CODING FROM THE START IS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE WAY < 1305550129 883760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for years the only programming language I had access to was VBA for Excel < 1305550130 358238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should basically just euthanise everyone who writes an imperfect program basically. < 1305550135 104279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really expect me to write perfect code in that? < 1305550135 765076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant master race of coders. < 1305550137 928898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. < 1305550189 858668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that means, that you've just admitted that it's possible to write perfect code in VBA < 1305550193 19108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I win the argument by default < 1305550211 392473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you just have to write an interpreter for the perfect language in it first < 1305550215 717011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying you can do it < 1305550218 850063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying i expect you to < 1305550221 748600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you will be executed < 1305550230 791641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the interpreter wouldn't itself be perfect < 1305550232 896403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being written in VBA < 1305550256 320888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you die. < 1305550289 130208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: vague death threats is not a very good method of winning an argument < 1305550295 396841 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs elliott in the spinal cord. < 1305550295 622839 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1305550300 155306 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death threats fixed. < 1305550309 821671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now actual killing on the other hand... < 1305550316 339298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ha ha ha wow you think that can kill me < 1305550319 975927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funnyEXCLAMATION MARKS < 1305550324 920419 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can kill you. < 1305550326 572474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not a threat, I'm simply describing the new regime < 1305550329 14542 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can cripple you for life. < 1305550339 59342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1305550348 124538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, have you made a Brainfuck derivative? < 1305550361 578849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot hath not yet returned :( < 1305550361 660659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, not yet. < 1305550364 295913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made two BF derivatives, both of which are actually interesting! < 1305550367 575752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not YET < 1305550370 497749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you count that really perverse thing I did for CraftBook. < 1305550375 529876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that counts. < 1305550381 559389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was looking to explore new computational ground, I just used BF as a base < 1305550392 118514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brick-brain transplants Lymia. < 1305550398 111663 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now bricked < 1305550399 598357 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1305550408 510717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1305550409 668661 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOT ERR 404: BRAIN NOT FOUND < 1305550431 890332 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What now? < 1305550439 277770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TIME IS RIGHT < 1305550451 941928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, rapture in 5 days, i hear < 1305550458 473506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFGLED BLEG FLOJMONT < 1305550466 764455 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes. < 1305550496 439172 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The atheists and non-radical Christians will be saved, < 1305550501 500864 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All others have done too much wrong. < 1305550508 87173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE YOU REPENTED YOUR BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE SINS YET? < 1305550516 760366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what about agnostics? < 1305550519 363550 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and non-radical :NOT_CHRISTIAN_RELIGION:) < 1305550520 550108 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure. < 1305550529 420441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about maratreans < 1305550548 976809 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1305550551 917171 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no. < 1305550576 770478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGNOSTICS MUST PERISH < 1305550596 981948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know about that. < 1305550609 361942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maratreans, maytreyans and mithraists < 1305550635 520941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maitreyans < 1305550638 576742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hyuk hyuk hyuk < 1305550660 497393 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, http://craftbook.sk89q.com/wiki/Perlstone < does this count as a BF derivative? < 1305550672 913558 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're asking, the goal was to make something that fits onto Minecraft's 15x4 signs. < 1305550681 367206 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I succeeded. < 1305550693 434432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perlstone is a surname that belongs to some special Australian's" < 1305550712 969560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some special australian's what < 1305550715 742749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that doesn't look very BF-y at all. < 1305550721 62937 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh. < 1305550726 338694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which are your bf derivatives, btw? < 1305550727 997444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stack based, after all. < 1305550733 26962 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loop construct is kinda-BF-derived < 1305550736 189804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverses the brick-brain transplant. < 1305550748 814897 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a backup server in her torso < 1305550753 719306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reversible BF, DoFuck < 1305550759 254950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you are not forgiven for not using dc. < 1305550768 577322 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305550783 99956 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i helped invent dimensifuck, didn't i < 1305550813 826540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brickbrains oerjan, moves onto ais523 before realising he is out of bricks. < 1305550841 32530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DoFuck is TC, but I'm not entirely sure if it's BF-complete (in fact, it almost certainly isn't due to having no way to write a program that sometimes produces output and sometimes doesn't, although it might be if you allow backspace to delete characters) < 1305550859 630842 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bricks Phantom_Hoover's brain with Rabies < 1305550882 214378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't made a Brainfuck derivative! < 1305550910 717790 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make Functionfuck < 1305550937 477452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is Brainfuck with functions then I am going to have to use oerjan's brick on you. < 1305550937 633453 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck and Unlambda's evil child. < 1305550952 628360 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, no. < 1305550956 574706 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck except functional. < 1305550963 762567 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use church numerals for numbers. < 1305550971 971097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oerjan: Can we all take a moment to stare sternly at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Feather&curid=3601&diff=22891&oldid=20446 < 1305550981 594263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the fact that it's marked as minor < 1305550987 528193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares sternly. < 1305550999 12680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think the article gets the Feather situation across too well, so I'd just call it an honest mistake < 1305551009 323808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, the sternness continues unabated < 1305551016 953343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, adding a category like that should never be a minor edit, should it? < 1305551027 438375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be if it had just been left off by mistake < 1305551044 357901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. [[Category:2011]] on an article that specifically says the lang was created in 2011 < 1305551056 949417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:2011]] isn't a Category Like That < 1305551103 311108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305551106 956414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: This is the best we've got so far, right? < 1305551111 845346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305551121 252770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so we know there's a two-byte suffix. < 1305551127 855194 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is known. < 1305551129 174160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, hmm, I'd say that was a stupid idea and abandon it, but I have lost the ability to abandon stupid ideas. < 1305551166 156273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Is the suffix p)? Is the suffix +p? Is the suffix *p? < 1305551186 178740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think a!=b should expand to a=a!b, for consistency < 1305551194 145322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ! is totally a binary operator in BCPL) < 1305551205 491188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do in BCPL? < 1305551214 443771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a!b in BCPL is equivalent to a[b] in C < 1305551227 584383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ([code]) = store function cell < 1305551228 737912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although BCPL is untyped < 1305551235 90417 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = apply last cell to current cell. < 1305551243 159179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can do it on arbitrary integers if you really want to, without even needing casts < 1305551247 490659 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< = the same... < 1305551255 706879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, no, that is not stupid enough. < 1305551262 858346 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1305551269 572715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: BF operations don't look at more than one cell < 1305551274 373420 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. < 1305551285 773502 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the brainchild of Unlambda and Brainfuck be then? < 1305551297 443500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is deadfish up on anagolf yet? < 1305551301 372228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hideous < 1305551306 553702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been up for days < 1305551307 269794 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make it? < 1305551315 882125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, I need to beat lifthrasiir first < 1305551322 470433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1305551335 437496 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305551338 450187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try those prefixes. < 1305551340 10095 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then try... < 1305551349 259313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prefix is p, undoubtedly < 1305551352 64098 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1305551354 959893 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :postfixes* < 1305551367 779807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still annoyed that < 1305551368 257673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;(';d='-=(0<';o='rint(';s='*=p*(16!=';while 1:exec'p%sp)'%input() < 1305551369 114778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it < 1305551372 29124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so close < 1305551412 453230 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp? < 1305551417 135717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about just p for suffix < 1305551417 216971 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1305551421 410776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ) < 1305551431 413786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d", 'i', 'o', 's'); < 1305551434 817403 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 111 115 < 1305551439 754434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we know lifthrasiir's suffix is two bytes :) < 1305551450 641383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cakeprophet came up with some formulas that make them sequential, IIRC < 1305551452 870186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but have you tried it? < 1305551454 544532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's'); < 1305551456 380327 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 100 111 115 < 1305551464 534296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, no; I will < 1305551477 422147 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's', 'h'); < 1305551480 499731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I think I have maybe < 1305551483 121884 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's', 'h'); < 1305551485 214428 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 100 111 115 < 1305551488 864022 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d %d", 'i', 'd', 'o', 's', 'h'); < 1305551490 829208 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​105 100 111 115 104 < 1305551494 702397 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :His formulas fail. < 1305551495 905530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305551496 212711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input() < 1305551496 883436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1305551498 273503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :h = d < 1305551500 471520 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. < 1305551500 820114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lengthens it < 1305551505 386218 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That WOULD be acceptable. < 1305551510 343376 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as o didn't follow. < 1305551525 762981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing follows h < 1305551556 916705 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1305551790 709280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's boolean not in python? < 1305551831 385031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can it be applied to a numeral? < 1305551849 92988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1305551849 781732 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1305551856 453437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no python :( < 1305551883 314265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -e 'print "test" < 1305551883 653212 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most esoteric language of them all. < 1305551884 545526 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305551885 337204 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :English < 1305551886 642176 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -e 'print "test"' < 1305551887 918918 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305551893 790476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1305551902 843807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print "test"' < 1305551904 449522 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​test < 1305551919 956238 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print (!2)' < 1305551920 972157 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305551942 193408 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it python has no short boolean not < 1305551965 716588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print (!2)' 2>&1 < 1305551966 726516 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​File "", line 1 \ print (!2) \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1305551975 567103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm what's boolean not in python? < 1305551976 646733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not" < 1305551979 303513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and can it be applied to a numeral? < 1305551979 783520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305551980 261259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1305551990 868744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try egobot < 1305551991 141456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that doesn't help replace 0< < 1305551997 466112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it has python? < 1305552000 214659 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot has no python, i said < 1305552000 705866 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1305552009 565386 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highlight you. < 1305552012 325083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not, not [exclamation mark] < 1305552028 782530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MORON < 1305552034 60057 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. < 1305552038 620955 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made the best quine ever. < 1305552042 428749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat < 1305552047 139039 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to get irritated again < 1305552055 170765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: o.o < 1305552066 163453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh, chill? < 1305552068 903178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: old < 1305552072 650954 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1305552123 39777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've got the Perl down to 71 < 1305552130 346463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$p=$p~~[-1,256]||$p+1,/d/?$p-=2:/o/?print--$p,$/:/s/&&($p=--$p**2)for<> < 1305552131 31236 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 | < 1305552131 332804 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                /| < 1305552132 413696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i _really_ shouldn't try programming when i'm in this mood < 1305552134 598234 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it line noise? < 1305552142 818617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implements the whole spec, including 255+1 = 0 < 1305552150 79638 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: myndzi certainly seems to think so :D < 1305552155 752047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sheehs, start cheating already < 1305552159 45279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]sheesh < 1305552165 805616 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you cut out +1 support? < 1305552169 228111 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\ < 1305552174 54714 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1305552177 629174 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1305552179 521336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's with the -- in the squaring? < 1305552180 65389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not obviously < 1305552189 358406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nick alignment, you need spaces < 1305552190 17657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because the bit at the start always increments p < 1305552200 899608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get it to output 0 rather than "" < 1305552207 556993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an o command is run right at the start < 1305552243 300389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it never is < 1305552245 388048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to < 1305552246 535261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1305552250 281589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1305552313 243784 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is ais523, lawful good programmer you're talking to :P < 1305552325 786369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is < 1305552329 456118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the third set < 1305552341 511487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have not done that messing around if it wasn't necessary, as I wouldn't even have noticed there was a problem < 1305552343 235098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: just oooone measly hint? :DDD < 1305552361 909881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been drawing a blank for hours now < 1305552374 686537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many chars is lifthrasiir beating you with? < 1305552378 851227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one < 1305552389 491817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305552394 1319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bit of info we know is < 1305552409 767772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his looks like while 1:exec'p%sXY'%input() < 1305552411 186573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some XY < 1305552430 979933 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you've tried p) < 1305552434 284924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305552446 925847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just plain p < 1305552465 595506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p=p prefix only worsened things, right? < 1305552473 320538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that destroys the rint trick < 1305552479 913129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, we gave up on that hours ago :P < 1305552482 201998 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305552490 648557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rint trick was the one that got us down to this count < 1305552531 605955 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how p suffix should make it _longer_? < 1305552531 927999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305552545 590422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes up bytes to have it there < 1305552549 160798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't pay their debt < 1305552552 332292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305552552 607407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1;';d='-=0<';o='rint ';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%sp'%input() < 1305552554 537216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305552558 594774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lengthens i, shortens d,o,s < 1305552590 56159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires 3 extra chars, sigh < 1305552627 740228 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means whatever lifthrasiir uses must save _4_ chars otherwise < 1305552643 57813 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can be reduced from everything at the end? < 1305552647 380892 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said he used less semicolons? < 1305552657 825761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1305552691 602123 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only i i and o are used < 1305552693 686093 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1305552695 958624 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start < 1305552737 269575 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might it be possible to kill the p=0? < 1305552770 532825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305552773 533489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about the old version < 1305552778 323136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the less semicolons thing is true any more < 1305552791 508138 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305552799 193808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wat < 1305552806 685250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print p' < 1305552807 718270 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1305552812 597589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print p' 2>&1 < 1305552813 644501 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ NameError: name 'p' is not defined < 1305552822 302569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, o is done without i before it < 1305552826 346375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the third test < 1305552840 182170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'p=q=0; print p' 2>&1 < 1305552841 364030 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0 < 1305552849 167749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'p=q=2; print p' 2>&1 < 1305552850 360907 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​2 < 1305552856 35903 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1305552890 654043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not good if shell scripts and aptitude tend to exit silently without doing much (or just outputting one line of output), right? < 1305552947 326688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'p=2; p++; print p' 2>&1 < 1305552948 324401 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​File "", line 1 \ p=2; p++; print p \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1305552952 977901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checking) < 1305552958 79606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552961 193314 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305552967 880388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that a script? < 1305552969 601712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552971 571729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no it wouldn't, it would multiply by 1 < 1305552973 145286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1305552973 634107 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305552977 505835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552978 411988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552978 641960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552978 872981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552979 332784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why can't you write $p** in order to square $p? it'd be consistent with ++ and -- < 1305552987 304308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1305552992 576705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: checking if tswett is a script < 1305552997 392598 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you expecting me to nod five times? < 1305553000 800409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305553013 697053 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I nod at that? It doesn't begin with my name. < 1305553019 137591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ok, everything is segfaulting < 1305553023 210208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing is REALLY broken right now < 1305553025 971162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett a < 1305553082 688580 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, that's just silly. < 1305553119 805603 :HolyBlood!~jassumjas@77.29.8.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1305553135 946241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, quick, say "bleh" < 1305553141 830837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1305553147 689233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1305553152 853836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "BLUH!" < 1305553159 495446 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you forgot the colon. < 1305553185 606198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553187 590102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553187 821783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553188 37958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553188 262867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553188 502153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553188 717893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553191 88823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: x < 1305553191 871732 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305553192 928750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a < 1305553194 779755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a < 1305553196 981473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a < 1305553198 978242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a < 1305553200 882010 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew. I've got it in for myself. < 1305553200 975916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a < 1305553203 77691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a < 1305553203 491786 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305553217 326734 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :My script is running hot. < 1305553218 558623 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305553226 188104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is going to have a hell of a headache after this. < 1305553250 610945 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305553269 802369 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got about ten times to go. < 1305553379 679839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of the examples do squaring of numbers above 16? < 1305553387 197723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think so. < 1305553395 937257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you thinking? < 1305553416 113236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you could cheat more, and use p<16 instead of p!=16 < 1305553425 42872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305553429 869653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it is that simple < 1305553431 259709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia? < 1305553432 963404 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305553433 719132 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1305553438 631150 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1305553459 88105 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have school soon. < 1305553472 172365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAH < 1305553475 603998 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mmm < 1305553479 136524 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's going to work. < 1305553480 665727 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, that's it. I'm all nodded out. < 1305553483 847326 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look over the examples for me, k? < 1305553517 358776 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye~ < 1305553525 260183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAY TOO LAZY < 1305553578 406530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1305553628 128627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <- < 1305553661 36880 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, breaks test 2 < 1305553661 704763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope -> < 1305553663 595613 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :kbai < 1305553834 12112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a different approach in Perl at size 77: chomp,/o/?print$p*1,$/:($p+=${{d,$p&&-1,i,1,'s',$p*$p*($p!=16)-$p}}{$_})for<> < 1305553834 824018 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                       | < 1305553835 161903 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                      /< < 1305553840 859486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I could turn on auto newline hadnling < 1305553844 769726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*handling < 1305553846 738074 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds. < 1305553876 691496 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's being golfed? < 1305553880 660122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfish < 1305553901 31702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305553901 499474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1305553903 339743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one character < 1305553905 768208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one character... < 1305553920 102106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if he achieves size-four savings elsewhere < 1305553921 831214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it HAS to be in s < 1305553927 800427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only thing long enough to admit such savings < 1305553951 785463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 using a shebang to turn on autonewline handling < 1305553969 997048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python seems better at this than Perl due to not needing to screw with shebangs < 1305553990 204510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, evil idea: what if I use $+ as the internal temporary variable? that gets autoincremented on every read < 1305554015 899974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1305554098 437570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant $. < 1305554100 438412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong variable name! < 1305554164 777230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you possibly mistake them < 1305554294 104721 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agreed < 1305554392 45037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305554612 590170 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: variable + name = agreed < 1305554699 36945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305556156 791417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 2&3' < 1305556157 907259 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​2 < 1305556179 353630 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*=p-p&16 < 1305556202 337984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^ < 1305556206 903398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1305556217 43376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the squaring rule? < 1305556237 121170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it breaks but only for numbers >= 32 < 1305556247 78157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like Lymia said, larger then sixteen numbers are tested < 1305556255 223684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :32, i said < 1305556255 691686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you checked that >= 32 numbers aren't squared? :D < 1305556267 91736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i haven't looked at the actual examples < 1305556272 716134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot though, thanks < 1305556279 696942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't break for _all_ numbers >= 32 < 1305556290 937885 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait damn < 1305556298 754010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1305556316 531393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks for all numbers between 17 and 31, brain fart < 1305556337 278108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least you have a new idea to start with < 1305556406 497460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305556411 353820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure it is such a helpful idea :D < 1305556640 95411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 2*2&3' < 1305556641 429636 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0 < 1305556839 412431 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on? < 1305556870 84013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: we're trying to beat or at least tie you, of course < 1305556875 800546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tie with < 1305556906 340994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305556920 217910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your code depend on knowing that some numbers won't be squared? < 1305556950 755176 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's what i'm trying to figure out. < 1305556963 296437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: are you sure we can't get _one_ byte of your suffix? :D < 1305557004 466183 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm what if the suffix is +p? < 1305557027 722154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be interesting < 1305557039 995270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've already asked this, but have received no response < 1305557050 346246 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well < 1305557051 28172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make i just 1+ < 1305557062 268252 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the suffix is indeed "+p". < 1305557079 185969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305557104 367010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, no it wouldn't < 1305557106 693829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with a one-byte prefix < 1305557112 768516 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh um < 1305557117 77072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make it =1 < 1305557118 728713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+=1+ then < 1305557121 695457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1305557124 673333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just =1 < 1305557125 229339 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er duh < 1305557134 633005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how minus fits into that < 1305557140 509513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid brain < 1305557147 751990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -= ... + p < 1305557149 808377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305557154 52991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(-p>0) < 1305557159 213513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1305557167 490163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(p<0) < 1305557173 791458 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1305557175 840265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305557182 306627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(p>0) < 1305557184 951493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-=(p<0)* < 1305557187 505183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean < 1305557196 327582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm p>0 < 1305557199 232487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1305557202 993070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -= (p>0) [times] +p < 1305557225 457154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think =-(p>0) is what i'm aiming for < 1305557234 231897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing, isn't it < 1305557239 345155 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really need a multiplication? < 1305557247 672492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's one char shorter < 1305557254 781840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: aha, you might not < 1305557263 950855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1305557282 608746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='+=1';d='-=p>0';o='rint p';s='*=p*(p!=16)';while 1:exec'p'+input() < 1305557282 729617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=0;i='=1';d='=-(p<0)';o='rint';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%s+p'%input() < 1305557284 738555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still longer :( < 1305557322 166412 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how about p-=0<+p? < 1305557330 101823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1305557331 294636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1305557335 311339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop giving away all the secrets :D < 1305557352 498306 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been three or four hours, so it is enough, right? :p < 1305557358 401483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :) < 1305557359 90381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now this just needs getting one char further down... < 1305557409 200425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305557412 694018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this might be the absolute minimum < 1305557463 782030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless squaring can be shortened < 1305557471 851360 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the current approach. < 1305557481 8736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1305557496 685474 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't really come up with an other idea... < 1305557508 604718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like the most "direct" approach to me. < 1305557563 103984 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, "s" is run with a value of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, 16, 17, 99 and 9795. < 1305557593 431801 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if some short function can map them into themselves except for 16, then it can be shortened further. < 1305557604 635776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305557622 659067 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well p&16 mapped all the ones before 16 to 0 < 1305557653 364738 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 17 breaks badly < 1305557796 67145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1305557835 793061 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since len('(p!=16)*p') == 9, any such function should be at most 8 bytes long < 1305557847 729040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1305557860 26249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm the p at the end hardly counts < 1305557867 473504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's "free" with this structure < 1305557912 455960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305557920 467255 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it is correct. then we have 8 bytes that can be freely chosen. < 1305558130 699524 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-3.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305558184 617905 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305558309 451918 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting but failed attempt: 0**(p&16)*p. < 1305558329 512209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1305558351 208464 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0**x is 0 for x>0, 1 for x=0 and otherwise error. < 1305558352 395469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately too long, right? < 1305558369 703938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, damn parentheses. < 1305558378 525254 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1305558385 484566 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't work for 17 < 1305558392 169085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :) < 1305558540 292869 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305558540 454844 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.45.135.90 QUIT :Changing host < 1305558540 536831 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1305558944 663498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Can you sprunge your copy of Grey Mist? I've lost mine. < 1305558962 717032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grey Mist? < 1305558970 982326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this theme I once made. < 1305559543 284168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it. < 1305559781 914694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad to be of service. < 1305559788 173299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much. < 1305559856 684347 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305559880 476819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305559932 414881 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305560080 328606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Have you found a Grey Mistish xfwm theme, BTW? The default ones kind of suck. < 1305560339 645946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@h168n6c1o291.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305560340 19424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@h168n6c1o291.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1305560340 100484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1305560344 837678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ~AnMaster@h168n6c1o291.bredband.skanova.com < 1305560361 162938 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, there is no such experssion with at most 5 free bytes < 1305560372 657192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: did you just exhaustively try every expression? :D < 1305560387 314675 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just for fun. < 1305560399 885734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty impressive if there was a 5 byte one :) < 1305560408 217377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think trying every eight byte one is feasible too -- the character set is pretty restricted < 1305560411 202949 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the length 6-8 is too long... < 1305560412 815974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not going to be an x, or an at sign, or anything < 1305560428 372596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(), arithmetic, exclamation mark, and equals... that's just about it < 1305560449 85337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic being plus, minus, asterisk, slash, ampersand, pipe, caret < 1305560451 32908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's too much < 1305560457 639344 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o = '!%&()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>[]^`p{|}~' < 1305560458 242956 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :po = '(+-.0123456789[`p{~' < 1305560468 180715 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :po for the first character, o for the other characters. < 1305560483 274272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well I do not think you will see [] :) < 1305560491 595592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm pretty sure you won't see { or } < 1305560510 327885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. I doubt very much too, a floating point solution??? < 1305560530 272716 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's true for at least . < 1305560544 724214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ; won't happen really... < 1305560547 834039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's the very last char < 1305560550 784828 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] and {} is unlikely but not that impossible. < 1305560561 912850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1305560562 195617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :po = '(+-0123456789p~' < 1305560562 315754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o = '!%&()*+-/0123456789;<=>^p|~' < 1305560563 315753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feasible? < 1305560563 855744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1305560565 933643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the ; in o < 1305560589 817611 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more robust way would be generating the correct formula up to the fixed size, but it is cumbersome. < 1305560617 960065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1305561096 881610 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US debt limit, get! < 1305561149 326452 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Congress decides not to have a giant stick up its ass, the US will default in 11 weeks. < 1305561170 979782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooooooooooooooooooool < 1305561178 476680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the us go bankrupt < 1305561241 49870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305561257 319026 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "bankrupt" you mean "completely ruin its economy, dragging everyone else down with it". < 1305561440 451965 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congress will never have not have a stick up its ass. < 1305561591 502549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305561754 450376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:05:06: i stopped reading that - too much cyanide and too little happiness < 1305561899 302502 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, p*=p;+p is also impossible < 1305561926 319473 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm tired of this now < 1305561938 47833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1305561965 380557 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to sing out the last lyric to Eclipse really loudly < 1305561978 72439 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but halfway through I choked and starting laughing instead because it was so uplifting < 1305561988 203666 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still laughin < 1305561989 124533 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1305562115 795200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305562321 343863 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305562587 532337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305562759 520523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305562760 885301 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​338) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS. < 1305562761 903938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_! < 1305562783 755414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless Congress decides not to have a giant stick up its ass, the US will default in 11 weeks. < 1305562785 725731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1305563591 538872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ouch < 1305563599 795524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear that'll collapse the entire world economy, even if it shouldn't really < 1305563626 342267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why /do/ people lend money to governments, given that they could default by fiat any time they wanted and war would be the only way to stop them? < 1305563634 747454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not even war, if the governments lend to their own banks?) < 1305564988 330095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305564989 851854 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​363) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. < 1305564999 595345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305565012 534988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305565056 490420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305565056 952227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305565057 182306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305565057 641469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305565058 101185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305565058 358340 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​329) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1305565058 738290 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​269) Vorpal: I'M NOT CLEVER OKAY < 1305565059 740163 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​326) okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG" < 1305565060 370246 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​206) Vorpal: you can't plant spiders, duh! < 1305565061 230283 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​381) destroying a local copy of the world is kind of like raping a robochick with a shovel tho < 1305565759 158542 :ajf|offline!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1305565846 890757 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305565854 523254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305565994 661712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305566163 390078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Stack underflow < 1305566358 532210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305567572 514090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305567737 973638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/DAM3y.jpg < 1305567739 519590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1305567993 635862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saddest image. < 1305568041 380223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, the sixth years in my school who took chemistry are a bunch of complete bastards. < 1305568098 577524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the sixth years in my school who took chemistry/people/ < 1305568099 686567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their dabbling in explosives has resulted in the school labs being locked down considerably. < 1305568099 909421 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTFY < 1305568117 61173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, cynicism != wit. < 1305568127 268242 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/!=/==/ < 1305568129 494142 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTFY < 1305568345 753568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorface < 1305568390 546906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305568394 601769 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305568412 281101 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK are all Belkin routers crap. < 1305568417 477738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305568426 356058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it. < 1305568516 468930 :students!~students@99.155.112.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305568521 110157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :students: how many < 1305568524 601033 :students!~students@99.155.112.225 NICK :Lymee < 1305568531 907819 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How goes golfing? < 1305568535 709122 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was a bunch of bastards. < 1305568545 909281 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1305568547 150124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: p=0;i='=1';d='-=0<';o='rint';s='*=(p!=16)*';while 1:exec'p%s+p'%input() < 1305568552 141882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir revealed his secrets. < 1305568558 590398 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305568566 670774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: The current thing we need to do is reduce squaring; we seem to be doing this by brute-forcing an expression that works for all valid squaring inputs. < 1305568568 813573 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1305568571 501373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's quite difficult. < 1305568574 752036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a lull. < 1305568585 142168 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hey! < 1305568587 648094 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1305568588 673939 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i instead took up a haskell golf challenge instead. :p < 1305568596 404209 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now at 114 bytes. < 1305568599 312014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh haskell golf < 1305568600 236800 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I realised you weren't the 6th-year chemistry students at my school. < 1305568605 563062 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there another way you can take it? < 1305568608 872228 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it* < 1305568637 569848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymee: ? < 1305568645 413200 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ < 1305568650 713045 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you read Homestuck < 1305568678 478800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasir: instead did you instead do that because you were instead bored with the old one, instead? < 1305568723 309263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: take it to #esoteric-homestuck < 1305568731 331491 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah and instead i'm bored with instead too. < 1305568740 897559 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, a.k.a. /query elliott < 1305568748 774042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehe < 1305568774 458875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: aka esoteric-minecraft < 1305568778 568412 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind < 1305568778 723974 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose Vorpal doesn't get a say that way, but neither of us care what he says anyway. < 1305568781 197143 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back... < 1305568781 688093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUAL PURPOSE < 1305568784 48837 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get home < 1305568786 927743 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in 2-3 hours. < 1305568788 489844 :Lymee!~students@99.155.112.225 QUIT :Client Quit < 1305568803 838497 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pikhq isn't in -minecraft. < 1305568810 605734 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a gregor < 1305568821 530107 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be a Gregor. < 1305568834 327096 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ever needs a Gregor. < 1305568896 38039 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor! < 1305568903 159455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need halps from you < 1305568910 581847 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ever needs halps from Gregor. < 1305568916 719704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :explox me the bfjoust cache file format < 1305568931 688106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1305568944 275026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I suppose Vorpal doesn't get a say that way, but neither of us care what he says anyway. <-- wrt? < 1305568951 881709 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck. < 1305568963 535729 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've never even heard Sburban Jungle. < 1305568975 888574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a file for each match with a number encoded as a binary byte? < 1305568978 105325 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can barely be said to have experienced the glory that is Homestuck. < 1305568979 840234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I'm lagging behind in reading yeah < 1305568983 746526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am unaware of any cache file. < 1305568983 828002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually have the cache files on me, just the code < 1305568996 926625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sburban Jungle is in the first few hundred pages. < 1305569013 588643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too long ago then, I forgot it < 1305569020 706057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you just didn't have speakers :P < 1305569025 657447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1305569030 637252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1305569034 785846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalm < 1305569045 507122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1305569068 746006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you forget that. < 1305569081 292414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no clue, busy anyway < 1305569188 978628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to shift this screen setup around... < 1305569265 241300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? Any way to tell gnome which monitor you want stuff like task bar and such to show up on. < 1305569271 555000 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system is only sometimes dual screen < 1305569278 976876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laptop + desktop monitor) < 1305569331 211133 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1305569528 604244 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about modern Gnome. The "monitor properties" dialog used to have a primary-screen indicamator, and I think the panels themselves, when not locked, are mostly draggable. < 1305569580 676740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, currently I get desktop icons on one monitor and panels on another < 1305569585 679294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no primary checkbox < 1305569589 261981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is gnome 2 < 1305569610 132279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway the external one I want primary when it is around, otherwise I want the built in one primary < 1305569723 738128 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: y u no in #gg2 < 1305569738 941106 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: ragequat < 1305569745 252321 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho-hum; well, I don't recall offhand how it goes. < 1305569747 837036 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss it? < 1305569769 479426 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1305569780 105892 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wondow switches and page-ups* < 1305569791 200524 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ajf < 1305569794 349496 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :general chatter page 2 < 1305569802 827221 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1305569807 161125 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*checks* < 1305569814 120969 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305569814 202803 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1305569814 202944 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1305569825 716964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ho-hum; well, I don't recall offhand how it goes. <-- oh well < 1305569835 55522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is #gg2 < 1305569840 383702 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey uh < 1305569841 906737 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya < 1305569845 477293 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ajf what < 1305569848 931006 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give me mod powers in Mods? < 1305569857 649478 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask mrfredman or bacon < 1305569880 643463 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you're my temporary fill in < 1305569935 444309 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, quoting you saying that < 1305569980 388784 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305570250 801465 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1305570418 783132 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : could you give me mod powers in Mods? < 1305570420 462989 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuh < 1305570806 359757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305570816 109973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1305571859 229814 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something from another community < 1305571862 908296 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long story < 1305571909 688645 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305572326 757836 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajfafk < 1305572932 110936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1305573283 501566 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numbers < 1305573411 967236 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of xkcd, the most hilarious article. < 1305573458 329320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I linked that days ago. < 1305573462 541138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even a week or two. < 1305573483 55320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even quoted " This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.". < 1305573489 451777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]"This < 1305573519 185846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe randall is lurking on the channel < 1305573538 968938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1305573547 452304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's drive him away < 1305573607 82675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's myndzi, he's good with stick figures < 1305573627 898798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1305573669 640415 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for being randall munroe -----### < 1305573679 631714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit. if he is it's my fault. i just linked the esolang wiki from a channel randall is definitely lurking in >.> < 1305573699 943902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU DO THESE THINGS < 1305573702 863919 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am? < 1305573706 373679 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's new to me < 1305573715 504958 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HAS BEEN RUMORED < 1305573738 691120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the odds that if randall came here, the general dislike of his comic would be a refreshing break for him from the mindless fanbase he encounters everywhere else on the internet ;D < 1305573741 893777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: zero 'cuz we're jerks < 1305573763 450864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: You added Perl to the joke language list. Shame. < 1305573774 427052 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what are the chances he's intelligent enough for this channel < 1305573807 45124 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is a good joke < 1305573824 585965 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1305573831 389327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe perl is a great punchline, but we sure as hell haven't found the joke to make it funny yet < 1305573848 44046 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laugh every time < 1305573871 889298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw re "making the wiki look stupid", that sounds quite unavoidable to me ;D < 1305573888 605957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to the UNENLIGHTENED the whole wiki is ridiculous. < 1305573908 446048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, Reddit found the Perl entry on the joke language list and it caused a lot of confusion < 1305573947 163014 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's brilliant < 1305574204 252469 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's written on that page is a joke, anyway. unless someone changed it. < 1305574215 475338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally that argument also works for Feather < 1305574318 771071 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305574328 168316 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1305574340 867343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This break brought to you by: paternal idiocy. < 1305574351 381281 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This return brought to you by: even greater paternal idiocy. < 1305574373 290853 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I thought he understood that I could plug power cables in, but apparently no. < 1305574419 746157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what happened? < 1305574428 515347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made you move away so he could plug them in himself? < 1305574431 782730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1305574512 106524 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, he decided to punish me for not giving my laptop to my sister by "taking his router away". < 1305574545 200182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just plugged the router back in? < 1305574547 328724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He then attempted to unplug the modem, although he stopped after I helpfully informed him of this. < 1305574559 512949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it wasn't actually a router at all? < 1305574568 36842 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he unplugged the router after that. < 1305574577 96292 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And left the power cable lying on the floor right next to it. < 1305574587 318302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you let your sister use the laptop? < 1305574603 804055 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's my goddamn laptop and she was being a snivelly little whiny brat. < 1305574647 660401 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I had to blast white noise through the headphones to drown her out. < 1305574689 533063 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to retrieve tea, so I'll have to unplug the router while it's unattended. < 1305574836 126434 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION though Phantom__Hoover was an adult < 1305574839 658003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1305574877 248000 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305574878 827855 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​370) A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold. See? I'm intellectual. < 1305574900 512130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1305574905 147761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you and your mentions of vagrant < 1305574908 520467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1305574909 994498 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​282) [...] reyouthismootherate [...] < 1305574921 854912 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305574929 897736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan though Phantom__Hoover was an adult < 1305574929 979640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *thought < 1305574933 742309 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305574934 462467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define adult? :-P < 1305574988 898839 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the contrast between those two quotes. < 1305575009 336414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: legally able to do more than elliott, despite there being no real reason to use such a crude method of discrimination < 1305575036 337202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've got way more coolness than ph < 1305575064 337700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: What is the pH of a phantom hoover? < 1305575076 105782 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-10. < 1305575092 910564 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kid, I kid. < 1305575097 928269 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's -23. < 1305575103 948806 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all hydrogen ions. < 1305575136 755006 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that makes a sixth of me hydrogen ions. < 1305575179 361414 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-23.7. < 1305575429 328473 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantoms do not care about electrostatic repulsion. < 1305575443 750081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1305575790 261236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't suppose you happen to know how slow a segfault is? :P < 1305575797 189633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1305575808 259883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can last a human-noticeable length of time if it also causes a coredump, though < 1305575818 905992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're asking a question, that's probably not the use-case you have in mind < 1305575823 685745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if you're asking that question < 1305575826 5361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean a caught one < 1305575839 419364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the overhead of the dereference + calling the handler + resuming execution < 1305575856 926469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's equal to a processor trap plus a signal delivery < 1305575866 435985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a bit more < 1305575872 826568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how long either of those things take < 1305575876 486432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try benchmarking it < 1305575888 216314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the last resort :> < 1305575904 584866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically wondering about it as a memory allocation strategy < 1305575918 466875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright guys. degree survey time. < 1305575921 424709 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good memory allocation strategy < 1305575929 396029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your opinion, what are my program's greatest strengths? < 1305575933 279728 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weaknesses? < 1305575948 815660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to make shit up, as long as it's funny < 1305575954 624881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not feeling funny at the moment < 1305575973 883565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's the worst program ever and it eats babies for breakfast < 1305575982 469640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it segfaults constantly < 1305575982 952673 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this for zepto < 1305575991 405061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you caan do better. i like the segfault one. < 1305575992 756987 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305575992 840010 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall reading somewhere that Linux signals had reasonably low overhead, at least as far as these things go. < 1305575996 882464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no this is so unzepto < 1305576010 198505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right; most signals don't involve such a processor trap though < 1305576061 64158 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305576072 650412 :ajfafk!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf < 1305576078 833964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That part shouldn't take long either, I don't think, but of course longness is relative. < 1305576145 885360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two ideas i'm basically having for it is < 1305576156 567010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, you have this gigantic memory pool thing, but you only allocate some of it (like with sbrk or whatever???) < 1305576162 375259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you segfault by stepping outside of the bounds < 1305576165 639926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it expands it and resumes < 1305576166 137849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1305576185 209343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on my experiments on linux, sbrk is nearly useless < 1305576195 866658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave me a 128MB heap < 1305576209 982474 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305576217 555660 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the two ideas i'm basically having for it is < 1305576219 817504 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one, you have this gigantic memory pool thing, but you only allocate some of it (like with sbrk or whatever???) < 1305576222 934526 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and when you segfault by stepping outside of the bounds < 1305576225 275916 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it expands it and resumes < 1305576226 752036 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or < 1305576228 847841 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an allocator replacement < 1305576230 832866 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when the allocator is called, it just returns some random number from high, high memory that will never be used < 1305576233 741359 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then when it's accessed and segfaults < 1305576235 864318 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allocation is done for real < 1305576237 932253 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pointer is rewritten to point to it < 1305576239 769058 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus an entry in a table is marked < 1305576241 769823 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapping the high memory number to the actual address < 1305576243 917595 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if another segfault happens because of aliasing it can rewrite it properly < 1305576251 741005 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the next GC cycle it rewrites /all/ the pointers and removes the table entry < 1305576255 890586 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome or awesome < 1305576288 684083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the Stetson-Harrison method I'd guesstimate something in the order-of-magnitude of some microseconds, but don't quote me on that. < 1305576320 550640 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good considering the overhead of the actual allocator :-P < 1305576354 13859 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i´m the austrian cave troll'lkk;yy[[File:ooo--90.217.154.251 (talk) 19:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)llllllllllll]] < 1305576354 864616 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox < 1305576386 486286 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, why does wikipedia try and hide your contributions link from you if you are logged ouT? < 1305576408 863439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1305576434 368239 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute page < 1305576806 237421 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understanding what happened based on the faulting code can be somewhat nasty. Your pointer-replacement thing at least sounds tricky in the general case; you get the faulty address and pointer to the instruction that caused the fault, but if it's some "foo r8, [r9]" sort of thing it might not be trivial to say where the pointer value in r9 came from, for replacing it. Or even to find out which register to replace with the proper pointer value so that you can res < 1305576806 409088 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ume. < 1305576825 679746 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In this case it would be for a language implementation. < 1305576837 241874 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the assembly would be controlled somewhat. < 1305576942 750125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305577203 955934 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1305577468 545730 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.77.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1305577777 675861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se TOPIC #esoteric :The first rule of krevitch is that you do not snork about flads. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1305577794 828330 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305577811 755945 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305577950 341684 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very cromulent topic. < 1305578016 603464 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) my first #esoteric topic, as far as I can recall < 1305578208 88598 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more test! < 1305578415 129378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> (x+y)^2 == x^2+2*x*y+y^2 < 1305578415 608045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Test.QuickCheck.Arbitrary SimpleReflect.Expr) < 1305578415 690167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising f... < 1305578422 330527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1305578427 36211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x+y)^2 == x^2+2*x*y+y^2 < 1305578427 501379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "OK, passed 500 tests." < 1305578436 624471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TESTED OK < 1305578468 743032 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x+y)^2 == (x^2+2*x*y+y^2 :: Double) < 1305578469 308113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Falsifiable, after 3 tests:\n-1.6666666666666667\n-1.0\n" < 1305578478 140127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1305578510 955255 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1305578659 891818 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-240-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1305578868 785513 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305578907 687583 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play Guess Why PH Just Disconnected For Three Quarters Of An Hour! < 1305578952 29964 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it Parental Stupidity (TM)? < 1305578965 878724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the gold prize goes to: oerjan! < 1305578987 884122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how soon will you be moving? < 1305579038 813922 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I go to university in a year and a bit. < 1305579066 844366 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, unlike Sgeo, the chances of them sabotaging my university education are slim. < 1305579521 779623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to Sgeo? < 1305579557 943994 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He ended up going to a university with more business requirements for the course he was on than mathematics ones. < 1305579613 885560 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because his parents wanted him to get business stuff and forced him there, or just they forced him into a generally shitty university? < 1305579635 659629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because his dad is a nutcase. < 1305579745 196871 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did parental stupidity find out about your router not being unplugged < 1305579751 357419 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1305579766 400879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get wireless < 1305579772 332667 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have got wireless. < 1305579775 379015 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just terrible. < 1305579833 573579 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's getting a degree in, whatwasit, "IT"? < 1305579835 501682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how did the nutcase dad thing lead to Sgeo reading business classes? < 1305579856 544859 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask pikhq, he tried to get Sgeo to change to something decent. < 1305579868 432716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest level math class required for his degree is calc I. < 1305579872 634416 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1305579875 628248 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires 3 business classes. < 1305579896 613674 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Just forced him into a generally shitty university. < 1305579911 707348 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without an actual CS program. < 1305580027 184357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Sgeo < 1305580044 153703 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me why Sgeo's dad did that. < 1305580080 610662 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about being able to live at home and it'd be cheap. < 1305580083 899471 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1305580094 187492 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not happening to me. < 1305580110 373429 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap doesn't help you if your degree only barely qualifies you to flip burgers. < 1305580123 600290 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :business burgers < 1305580130 583505 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-34.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: With Visual Basic. < 1305580131 639682 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get into management in no time < 1305580143 689667 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm visual basic < 1305580155 599810 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like the worst thing ever < 1305580156 706463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a gui in visual basic to flip burgers in real time < 1305580157 423684 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, will he create a GUI interface with Visual Basic to trace the burgers? < 1305580166 392547 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...XD < 1305580298 328219 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does visual basic knowledge even qualify you to flip burgers? < 1305580337 779189 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does visual basic knowledge even qualify sgeo to flip burgers?, I mean < 1305580344 525237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually, I think burger flipping works even without a degree < 1305580372 425142 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my life goals is to stay out of the burger flipping business < 1305580444 871195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: don't worry, you've still got plenty of time to fail < 1305580599 474803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have made no such goal I am unable to fail :> < 1305580649 739489 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305580701 800539 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305580991 184117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is probably the only group on multicast e-mail systems of any sort where "OT:..." means on topic.[ citation needed ] < 1305580993 704143 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-3.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305581031 437806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, which group? < 1305581066 800050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rec.humor.oracle.d < 1305581242 200051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1305581312 641193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Problem Sleuth is hilarious. < 1305581720 685157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oracle thing seems kind of funny < 1305582321 744809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle's awesome < 1305582333 861978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, not the company < 1305582843 993399 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Oracle's awesome < 1305582845 432250 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​424) Oracle's awesome < 1305582868 578639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets Phantom__Hoover on fire < 1305582893 328182 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, remind me, have you made a BF derivative? < 1305582898 590978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1305582911 339701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd *ZOT* Phantom__Hoover, but i don't know if the oracle still does that < 1305582923 684377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF-RLE < 1305582928 158611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brickbrains Sgeo. < 1305582951 848741 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's a stupid BF derivative too! < 1305582959 877965 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets another brick. < 1305582964 661479 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEM'S THE RULES < 1305582977 71569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 likes it < 1305582997 35645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, used it in one of his languages < 1305582999 971167 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Well, I respect zzo's opinion completely. < 1305583059 18175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that came up in another channel a while ago, actually < 1305583073 951045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is, I don't know, because the precise question you asked didn't come up < 1305583090 730263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, *ZOT*ing? < 1305583096 259917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1305583098 614616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305583232 879276 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305583260 494663 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1305583260 575935 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-218.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1305583260 576002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1305583367 600927 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1305583690 630674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is this: < 1305583691 730746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"P.S. At first I thought I might zot you for your faux grovel, but then < 1305583691 869806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} I realized inspiring false praise is the highest form of praise I can < 1305583691 951246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} ask for. Keep up the good work." < 1305583746 488579 :ajf!~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline < 1305584024 63098 :cheater79!~cheater23@ip-80-226-237-130.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1305584263 898468 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305584279 884387 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305584640 511922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now curious what Oracularity 1455-08 originally said < 1305584686 672861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.humor.oracle/browse_thread/thread/ec854c084f3f0f3d < 1305585012 57061 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1305585855 911904 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1305585859 149583 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1305585898 741883 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is an interesting language. < 1305587148 670063 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1305587862 844789 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1305589215 469501 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1305589265 343875 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305589725 281708 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1305589870 551213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the two reasons to capitalize "he's" in "Fear God! he's reentrant." cancel each other out? I don't think so!!! < 1305589893 416828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lla krow dna on yalp sekam Kcaj a llud yob. < 1305589899 868110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1305589943 154701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles away from zzo38's axe < 1305589955 22211 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an axe < 1305589983 426987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is your axe < 1305590247 721515 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1305590381 296287 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric