< 1304899258 508281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in love with Judas, Judas
< 1304899298 345338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, the character's fairly boring, IMO. Portrayals of him in other fiction, though, tends not to be)
< 1304900851 251209 :Guest59242!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1304900968 871501 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xamuel.com/formula.php?program=fibonacci
< 1304900987 468427 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody make a Brainfuck interpreter in this.
< 1304900988 795436 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye~
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< 1304910863 637022 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
< 1304911056 666608 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xamuel.com/images/piequals4.png < Anybody mathy enough to say what the actual final result of this process would be?
< 1304911130 874514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the length is always 4, and the set in a sense converges to a circle.  it's just not the right sense of convergence to preserve length.
< 1304911140 136674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sets
< 1304911527 231107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jotesrlgeritg9jdkjjruvgchvcn uizhvd<vfjh,b cvm.,kxdgvnbxjimdv chm gsehjk kbvjbk cvxc jvx jv fgjm cvmcnkdn gc nbx   jhds kjjkjherqkm hd saikgfkdlv gmkx  jd fdgks gfjd ksbsvew bgk rc bncc  xjzp
< 1304911663 184511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk has weaknesses?
< 1304911682 628281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how things like dynamic typing and single-dispatch are...
< 1304911684 190953 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally bothered reading in-depth about git...
< 1304911692 826323 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my reaction is something along the lines of "That's it?"
< 1304911694 279414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know wat, I should probably not comment on articles before I read them
< 1304911787 85880 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: heh
< 1304911796 249241 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so obvious, doesn't it?
< 1304911856 143597 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah...
< 1304911881 611263 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, the brilliant thing is the staging index
< 1304911903 481060 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is pretty mundane
< 1304911909 742693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-188-118.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And meanwhile I *still* don't understand any of the design choices in SVN. :P
< 1304911927 372149 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and far superior to, say, Perforce's model of dealing with multiple edits at once)
< 1304911999 98779 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to branch as needed is nice too, but that's basically a consequence of being distributed and not a major design choice
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< 1304912724 833495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht, scapegoat ftw
< 1304912745 801058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we'd know what to blame, then
< 1304912754 444823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1304912945 292445 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4311e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
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< 1304913228 372367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to update ubuntu for the lulz
< 1304913308 959253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM IN U BUNTU UPDATING UR LULZ
< 1304913418 133902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO GO BREAKING MAGIC
< 1304913431 510967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan can i have a lot of caffeine
< 1304913444 529893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT OF COURSE
< 1304913466 934749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1304913469 175470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this download is slow
< 1304913814 583780 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel
< 1304913834 249110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, uh, please stop being a weasel
< 1304913853 242857 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1304913858 280483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1304913868 10319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be ironic if the first person to become _seriously_ insulted by that nick was Plazma
< 1304913888 851928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bye, bye, Gregor)
< 1304913910 830781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an online game once (before I became atheist), someone logged on with the nick Adonai. He was on the opposite team. I was distressed enough by this that I left.
< 1304913916 517563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1304913925 359339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to ignore Sgeo.
< 1304913934 260941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone please type an asterisk, an exclamation mark, and an at sign.
< 1304913953 717624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i hadn't absorbed that Sgeo was jewish
< 1304913963 443409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!@
< 1304913991 126365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you man.
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< 1304914660 576289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY
< 1304914661 241154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU
< 1304914661 390173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO
< 1304914662 54932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLOW
< 1304914666 57557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>?>:::::::>>>>>>?>??
< 1304914700 165551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cursing of the keyboard challenged
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< 1304914737 331937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KILLED LAMBDABOT!
< 1304914787 413324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD UBUNTU
< 1304914790 361046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANT WAIT TWO HOURS
< 1304914791 988895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR YOUR BULL SHIT
< 1304914793 113959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK
< 1304917358 987392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A lot of the bloom-forming algae are incredibly slutty"
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< 1304919978 382059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu upgrade update the ubuntu logo next to "Applications" is now a broken image sign
< 1304920011 498511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i appear to have lost my flash plugin.
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< 1304920278 211677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq have you everugpgraded an operating systseme...
< 1304920281 66892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is .. FUN
< 1304920287 509827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things break a lot
< 1304920368 336389 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sounds like Ubuntu sucks.
< 1304920387 638944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's just because everything's changed, wrt. GNOME and Unity.
< 1304920394 207358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, my volume control icon just changed.
< 1304920403 498583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it even let you be in graphical mode while it does this.
< 1304920419 734711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just a recipe for lol.
< 1304920438 627203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI DEBCONF OMG WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW~
< 1304920444 318759 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It's replacing GNOME 2 with GNOME 3 & Unity *on the fly*?
< 1304920457 730553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not even sure if it is GNOME three?
< 1304920467 109776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be: GNOME three but with gnome-panel and metacity/compiz.
< 1304920473 311965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure.
< 1304920479 622826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it is doing things on the proverbial fly.
< 1304920480 638237 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's using GTK 3, it's GNOME 3.
< 1304920485 682026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1304920498 255936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's not like Debian wouldn't let you do this either, if you ran the updater.
< 1304920498 332430 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there's a GTK 3 now.
< 1304920499 14529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its
< 1304920501 313171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know.
< 1304920506 880695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that Ubuntu does it all the time. :p
< 1304920515 158161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, it's updating bcc, the sixteen-bit ELKS compiler.
< 1304920523 505304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad that has a new version.
< 1304920524 976423 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that Debian does breaking changes rarely outside of testing.
< 1304920539 189549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stable GNOME two -> stable GNOME three.
< 1304920539 265868 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, testing/unstable
< 1304920542 246219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a distribution upgrade, dude.
< 1304920546 521224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a regular upgrade.
< 1304920559 898990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I was referring to that.
< 1304920568 162341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand Debian does extensive testing of upgrades.
< 1304920575 807690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how this is "breaking" anything, though.
< 1304920577 320682 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tells you "fucking stop X".
< 1304920585 863100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the location of the Ubuntu logo for the panel has moved and --
< 1304920589 658671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at that, I just got the updated one.
< 1304920590 871341 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apt doesn't, the documentation does)
< 1304920618 661148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might be running Firefox Three with Firefox Four files now.
< 1304920622 926922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame almost nothing does atomic updates. But oh well.
< 1304920629 501875 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: REBOOT
< 1304920637 787648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It isn't finished yet. And why the caps.
< 1304920660 849734 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because for the love of god
< 1304920676 320934 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: apt is currently running.
< 1304920679 515766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the weird shit.
< 1304920690 863787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is science, you don't appreciate science, go fuck yourself. I will now refuse to reboot for the next ten minutes.
< 1304920695 525853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
< 1304920697 662732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAS SCIENCE WROUGHT
< 1304920701 107510 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake
< 1304920707 970024 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and potato batteries
< 1304920720 66414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww it hasn't updated Firefox yet it seems, just its icon.
< 1304920726 387001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna get the two versions running simultaneously.
< 1304920730 64646 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1304920738 619989 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :science it up
< 1304920746 12355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Replace the customised configuration file /etc/grub.d/[thirty]_os-prober'?"
< 1304920748 206333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difference between the files:
< 1304920750 565456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[EMPTY FUCKING PANE]
< 1304920857 948501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aszxrolp[;lotrdjiotresjiopknllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll jgvyitcyvhjb nkyutfibugotrbyuogtgyu
< 1304920861 242359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM ABUSING MY KEYBOARD FOR SCIENCE
< 1304920877 354881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG HI DEBCONF
< 1304920882 891291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You went away without asking me anything :(
< 1304920883 461260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rude
< 1304920939 539769 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, don't worry about it.
< 1304920955 544583 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just wondering whether you wanted to turn on the automated kitten-kicker.
< 1304920960 704734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You answered "yes".
< 1304920976 533250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's how all Apple laptops work.
< 1304920999 511488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've engineered the kittens to be completely flat, and to have no audial way to express their pain.
< 1304921003 672985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have no mouth.
< 1304921086 623881 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304921093 359866 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned efficient power source, though.
< 1304921128 194920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd <NSFW joke here>
< 1304921177 50323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....that came out worse than I intended. Despite not actually saying anything.
< 1304921204 326419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrades always feel so nasty, compared to clean installs; i'm going to blame this on bad OS design, like everything
< 1304921219 295985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants @
< 1304921238 345701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1304921244 537388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox
< 1304921251 729547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had a parse error
< 1304921255 988180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an internal chrome file
< 1304921261 155910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the file no longer exists
< 1304921266 431491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is officially too crazy
< 1304921281 787158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this made it unable to load a page)
< 1304921328 364169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye obsolete packages
< 1304921337 266335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye universe
< 1304921357 36602 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense smell of despair
< 1304921365 233800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's face it
< 1304921371 464338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no possible way this update will work without problems
< 1304921372 373401 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw I changed the name of my file format
< 1304921376 438993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it
< 1304921377 423904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :penisfile?
< 1304921377 720850 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not cockfiles anymore
< 1304921385 852436 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're now just .t
< 1304921392 605333 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring
< 1304921393 982117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, t for penisfile
< 1304921394 79059 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't tell what do those stand for.
< 1304921414 713267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's for Themostboringnameever
< 1304921422 130216 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good :)
< 1304921425 589693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304921436 430262 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcockfile
< 1304921436 531180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait it's for Thisfileisacockfile
< 1304921440 874683 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1304921451 501463 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm..
< 1304921457 182380 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1304921505 174854 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's free comic book day tomorrow, except that no-one holds it here in my country
< 1304921561 707171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1304921579 817964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is [not] true!
< 1304921592 583095 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .t extension is already used by, among others, terse -- the bestest way to *leverage* (8086-asm) programmer *productivity* evar, now for only $49.00 -- http://www.terse.com/
< 1304921603 196025 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304921607 438885 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kekekekekeekekekeke
< 1304921609 713627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now grub won't boot
< 1304921610 578594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1304921613 485407 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>what the fuck do I do now
< 1304921618 765673 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck did you do
< 1304921632 26992 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think I could go far as occupy .c -extensions.
< 1304921634 513522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated ubuntu
< 1304921638 402170 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You broke it; now you buy a new computer.
< 1304921645 104518 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: You could start it.
< 1304921645 745292 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.c(ock)
< 1304921653 382619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: Surely they have comic book stores in Finland.
< 1304921662 952302 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh man, terseEXCLAMATION MARK
< 1304921668 497223 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub should be written in terse.
< 1304921671 904658 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would fit into the boot sector.
< 1304921684 897712 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be OPTOMIZED.
< 1304921692 661915 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% Satisfied Customer Base!
< 1304921704 993915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it shouldn't be written in terse - because there is no Free compiler of terse (as far as I know).
< 1304921739 147233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But if there was, it wouldn't matter much if they did use their version because what is important is it is being compatible.)
< 1304921748 214492 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: make zzo38 stop promoting vicious lies.
< 1304921775 978891 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Do you think it is lies? What one is lies?
< 1304921783 822998 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is free in the new world of terse
< 1304921785 893824 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1304921842 679701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway I
< 1304921851 6158 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowfuck
< 1304921852 393034 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll burn an Ubuntu install CD later and try again from scratch?
< 1304921856 838140 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse is actually a good one.
< 1304921868 824162 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheery: what
< 1304921881 392636 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume this is some new definition of "good" of which I was previously unaware.
< 1304921933 75598 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it looks nice.
< 1304921944 130624 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I borrow your palms?
< 1304921951 455094 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have enough to place on my face. :/
< 1304921961 834624 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nicest things ever, yes: eax - 10 ? =={ eax = 1; },{ eax = 0; };  dx = 1000; { dx-; }<>;
< 1304921966 601210 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, you can read that without the manual.
< 1304921975 789551 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very
< 1304921977 356325 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse
< 1304921982 822983 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1304921985 915579 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1304922006 484524 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse that is not
< 1304922107 945172 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1304922111 144092 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still has couple nice properties for the hand-written assembly language.
< 1304922111 537945 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously how did GRUB just brick itself.
< 1304922113 515922 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING CHANGED.
< 1304922140 146200 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1304922146 570721 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. now this just sucks. :)
< 1304922157 124506 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1304922175 402932 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this guy sells not an assembler but something like.. assembler that writes out assembly.
< 1304922187 491859 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat.
< 1304922194 960407 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" generates .ASM files as its output. I did this to assure you compatibility with whatever development tools you may be using. You continue to use the same operand syntax you are already familiar with.
< 1304922196 706083 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that called a compiler
< 1304922198 944992 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1304922208 329874 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh. compiler
< 1304922231 37088 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it looks good to me because I think of it as an assembly notation
< 1304922274 390331 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll install Windows Me on this here macbook instead of fixing ubuntu
< 1304922275 791473 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the OPTOMIZED trademark from the USPTO search thingie. :/
< 1304922277 672299 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the word OPTOMIZED is a trademark of the terse dude
< 1304922282 967822 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1304922291 672872 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so slow today
< 1304922296 477605 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He OPTOMIZED the trademarking process.
< 1304922304 770491 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Instead of actually trademarking it, he just says it's trademarked, so nobody dares to use it.
< 1304922305 109443 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that kind of notation will NOT work well with tri-arity instruction sets that are more common than x86-style bi-arity ones.
< 1304922311 86672 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/pics/topyello.gif
< 1304922326 884199 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1304922332 413792 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT MY UNTBUNU BACK ;______;
< 1304922341 461033 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/notprog.htm
< 1304922352 577684 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D
< 1304922354 410989 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great
< 1304922357 309258 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose weight with torso.
< 1304922359 91604 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this would be a great opportunity to back up my shit and send this laptop for repairs...
< 1304922375 96269 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys let's put the optomized logo on all our sites ;D
< 1304922380 549720 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have sites
< 1304922383 274529 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1304922385 979484 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna make so much software
< 1304922388 184190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can put that logo on
< 1304922390 461007 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEVALUING IT ENTIRELY
< 1304922391 667865 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get sued
< 1304922393 77839 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, it is not bad; even it could have macros and (switchable) optimization (I don't know if it has), but problem is proprietary software with no Free compatible software. Even then, I would use it only for software specifically for x86 computers (such as, MBR programs). Application program I would use C or whatever
< 1304922488 673057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/neildeal.htm
< 1304922519 887856 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your favorite software vendor isn't using TERSE and displaying the TOP logo on their products, send them an E-Mail and tell them you deserve the quality that TERSE can add to their products." -- worth a Ubuntu/Mozilla/any-other-large-project brainstorm/wishlist/whatever item?
< 1304922532 483121 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for a parser and substitutor ^^
< 1304922538 616607 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YES.
< 1304922540 231603 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn he has a business idea to say the least.
< 1304922594 98642 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also write 200 lines of code and sell it 50 bucks a license
< 1304922594 616434 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/ "PLEASE USE TERSE, WE DESERVE IT"
< 1304922620 20517 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Report a problem
< 1304922640 893279 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or microsoft style. If I had enough money I could hire 200 coders to write 200 lines of useful code and sell it for 300€ per license.
< 1304922720 881893 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1304922722 564553 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants a login
< 1304922730 830429 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to make a bullshit openid
< 1304922741 760575 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goterse
< 1304922760 847071 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go terse gadget
< 1304922777 611815 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have an at sign
< 1304922779 26551 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz
< 1304922781 588094 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@
< 1304922791 480663 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idontwanttogiveyouanemail@ivaluemyprivacy.nothankyou
< 1304922792 819062 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my email
< 1304922802 172013 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_is_not_written_in_terse
< 1304922804 445952 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz vote up
< 1304922807 499913 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1304922985 563324 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1304923208 532049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBUNTU COME BACK TO ME THIS IS SO PAINFUL.
< 1304923368 801873 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1304923894 479932 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Hey, your problem got a reply from God. That's: impressive.
< 1304923906 96055 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh lord.
< 1304923910 332758 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant Notch.
< 1304923924 777649 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is... much less interesting than that would have been.
< 1304923926 617407 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just God.
< 1304923937 554795 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notch?" "No, just God."
< 1304923957 865981 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should click that "I have this problem" button, I might add.
< 1304924008 495474 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replies to God.
< 1304924077 758726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests and finds out that fungot _does_ censor DCC output
< 1304924077 967257 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lucky bastard :) but i didn't give the impression that you want to
< 1304924093 478281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it censors lots of things, including love
< 1304924100 316430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1304924129 126000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs at Terse
< 1304924133 156783 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304924165 232370 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1304924491 58928 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 0)S
< 1304924491 135326 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 0
< 1304924495 833356 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh dear.
< 1304924501 905042 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1304924513 925968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure takes one back.
< 1304924535 64159 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1304924542 566678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that my attitude towards tests ends up being "Hmm, test coming up. Better learn the subject matter."?
< 1304924543 788436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hey i was _trying_ to give fizzie time to fix it...
< 1304924559 563365 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I apologise for my independent testing.
< 1304924580 237604 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a startkeylogger nonsense in years.
< 1304924620 284531 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used to filter all control characters at some point, though I've forgotten if it was just the ^bf . command or something more generic.
< 1304924622 725331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@so whistles innocently
< 1304924622 803373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whistles innocently not available
< 1304924625 280917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That was 2006. You are getting nostalgic about 5 years ago.
< 1304924647 510541 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, you'd better take fungot down until it's fixed...
< 1304924647 875172 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ha ha starship troopers and i think orange, earlier, but i
< 1304924649 324900 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years is half a decade.
< 1304924666 533811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a relatively short span of time.
< 1304924667 861545 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitter bot famine.
< 1304924698 115749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you're talking to a guy who considers 1990 "hardly any time ago". ... And I was *born* in 1990.
< 1304924745 40378 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you going to do the responsible thing and quit or what?
< 1304924745 799514 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " willfully providing inaccurate or false information. never mind. it needs a c library for implementing history editing etc mini-icon " toolbar" for my befunge variant... good? i proceeded to write a macro for defining abbreviations.
< 1304924767 997445 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shhh, Plazma is watching.
< 1304924774 839812 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATCHING ALL OF US.
< 1304924802 530646 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: OKAY OKAY you don't have to get all BENT OUT OF SHAPE
< 1304924848 386487 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BENT OUT OF SHAPE
< 1304924946 670978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so exactly what is the necessary part of the hack, does it have to be \1DCC SEND startkeylogger + some numbers exactly?
< 1304924971 643058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i _still_ think it would be sad to disallow \1ACTION :(
< 1304925014 308510 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's just the string "startkeylogger" over DCC, I think.
< 1304925020 518419 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's DCC SEND [long enough string].
< 1304925025 953168 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just refuse to say anything with "\[one]DCC" in it.
< 1304925034 21847 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-198-187.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1304925041 260894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "hack" was that Norton would detect it as a "hacking" attempt, and then drop the IRC connection.
< 1304925044 352645 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disallowing CTCPs entirely is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, except that the bathwater evaporated five fucking years ago jesus this is not a problem any more.
< 1304925048 790353 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculous.
< 1304925092 897836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh heh it's not _actually_ a security flaw, but an excessive _prevention_ of a security flaw? :D
< 1304925105 939743 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1304925115 759186 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to recap.
< 1304925124 973959 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a five year old version of Norton that you have not updated,
< 1304925128 625821 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that Norton's silly firewall just looked for the word; it was possible to just say it on-channel in a regular way and have people drop.
< 1304925134 448690 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a specific string that is seen maybe once every three w-
< 1304925139 484858 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's something to do with the string length, apparently.
< 1304925148 439320 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: This is Urban Dictionary-sourced information, which is I know ridiculous.
< 1304925151 761911 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's another malformed-string-request thing that affects some routers; http://nullroute.eu.org/~grawity/startkeylogger.html
< 1304925158 180363 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-w, not w, years, once every three years,
< 1304925163 353086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN your IRC connection could get dropped.
< 1304925167 495741 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOEZZE
< 1304925199 698851 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1304925202 450885 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's two separate bug scombined.
< 1304925232 683012 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :By our bugs combined, I am, Captain Startkeylogger.
< 1304925256 941346 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, s/our/your/
< 1304925264 48429 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes more sense that way, admittedly.
< 1304925277 876275 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger
< 1304925280 80068 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger startkeylogger startkeylogger
< 1304925281 363043 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :startkeylogger
< 1304925285 335809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, didn't think a non-American would really know of that.
< 1304925287 539643 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lartkeystogger.
< 1304925300 665436 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, \[one]DCC SEND = zero; startkeylogger = one.
< 1304925303 696122 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's talk in binary ASCII.
< 1304925315 178276 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They showed Captain Planet (maybe even dubbed?) in Finland too when I was young.
< 1304925336 903427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit surprised is all.
< 1304925347 66651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured it was too shitty to export. :P
< 1304925349 718370 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's internet-famous, everyone knows it.
< 1304925361 668068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true, it definitely did break out into the memosphere.
< 1304925493 66393 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpofboijkijooijfoijogjoggjoigjeroigerigksngjkngejkrsngkdflgkmsefndkflnsngkjnfkvjrngrjkbkfverbkjef letters are pretty; also, i want my ubuntu back
< 1304925517 236059 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of it, what's captain planet and why does it make "captain startkeylogger" funny?
< 1304925529 379283 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Sting was one of the voice actors in it; didn't know that.
< 1304925529 553164 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, our "channel 3" (the first "commercial" channel) showed it in 1991, according to fi-Wikipedia; and it doesn't seem they bothered to dub it.
< 1304925600 67360 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Captain Planet's slogan -- when he appears after the Planeteers combine their rings -- "what kind of stupid power is Heart anyway?" -- is "by your powers combined, I am Captain Planet".
< 1304925619 189199 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And it doesn't exactly make it funny, just free-associating from elliott's "two bugs combined" comment.
< 1304925633 430988 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Captain Planet should be the written in Terse language for good.
< 1304925648 445843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok :)
< 1304925680 125723 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Captain Planet is something like the power rangers' combined form?
< 1304925688 295355 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist ducks
< 1304925698 793086 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it didn't hit Sweden in olsner's childhood.
< 1304925705 710916 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers -- triplicate trope namer and all.
< 1304925716 957505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If the Power Rangers had no actual abilities.
< 1304925736 238686 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just magic rings which mostly could summon Captain Planet.
< 1304925757 559654 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304925804 616424 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could do some other stuff with the rings too, each related to their corresponding element. Usually they tried something, failed miserably, then ended up (approximately once/episode) summoning Captain Planet to take care of it.
< 1304925817 324832 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow this was supposed to teach that we're all responsible for the environment.
< 1304925819 804063 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qbiabawibwibiwbeiiueqiebiquebuiqiuqeiqwiewqieqwieqweiqweuiqwuqweiqueiiqeiwqueiqwieqwieiwqeiweiqweqiwwww.
< 1304925833 467977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just like Power Rangers! Except Power Rangers had their aesops external to the story
< 1304925857 581042 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power FLOOPERS.
< 1304925862 143638 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power KLOBNTOS.
< 1304925870 309061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, and uh, power rangers didn't summon some .. thi... ok, analogy I'm lost. Also, elliott unignored me for some reason.
< 1304925887 810554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The Power Rangers certainly did summon things.
< 1304925895 621822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant mechs!
< 1304925908 805212 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ubuntu borked.
< 1304925916 871736 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Japanese television (no, really, they reused the CG from a Japanese TV show)
< 1304925928 558720 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought power rangers was that one where they summoned a big fallos to fight for them.
< 1304925937 328068 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Power Rangers just a super-loose adaption of a Japanese show?
< 1304925950 813040 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: If by "super-loose" you mean "they reused the CG".
< 1304925953 446712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point was, Power Rangers also did a once-an-episode ... thing
< 1304925985 88502 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Curiously, the dub of Power Rangers is also fairly popular in Japan.
< 1304925992 350190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE popular in Japan.
< 1304926000 449504 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db4311e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1304926002 831239 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but David Hasselhoff is in Germany.
< 1304926079 481177 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you go tentacle, you stay in the pentacle." --isometric.
< 1304926158 880542 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometric? wasn't that a hemingway quote?
< 1304926168 291363 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both.
< 1304926174 702701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hemingway writes Isometric.
< 1304926180 242463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, obviously
< 1304926187 566831 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isometric.sixsided.org/strips/you_dont_go_back/ is the particular strip in question.
< 1304926215 999767 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's crap[exclamation mark] Your a priori skycastles will avail us nothing[exclamation mark] More datapoints are called for[exclamation mark] The scientific method my good man[exclamation mark][inverted exclamation mark]9[three][four]" --Ernest Hemingway
< 1304926217 415243 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lorum ipsum dolor sic amet but in this case you'll wish you did" always makes me smile.
< 1304926356 910749 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`UBUNTU YOU BETTER START DOWNLOADING QUICKER. I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOUR BULL SHIT.
< 1304926364 244141 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS SHIT THAT COMES FROM A BULL AND IT IS UP TO HERE THAT I HAVE HAD IT WITH.±
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< 1304927697 116074 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One way seems to be to put some muscle behind the company’s native dev tools, like Visual C++. I noticed a brief mention in Somasegar’s e-mail of “WinC++.” It turns out that the new name for Visual C++ is going to be WinC++ — something confirmed by a Microsoft job posting which mentions the “Windows C++ a.k.a. Visual C++ team.”"
< 1304927700 613569 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will solve EVERYTHING
< 1304927826 922767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's a reason they didn't call it FailC++!
< 1304927926 367334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1304928023 292474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FailC++ is however the obvious choice for LoseThos
< 1304928225 502484 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan
< 1304928238 816778 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I think oerjan has come close to expressing an actual opinion, I realise it's a pune :D
< 1304928254 423762 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoseThos Facebook Group
< 1304928256 227816 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh FUCK eys
< 1304928258 65433 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1304928687 242406 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrence Andrew Davis I ordered a couple of these. Hopefully, I can get LoseThos working with USB (on my PC) for this one device. One device should be easy, especially, if I can control both ends. I already ported my 8051 assembler to LoseThos (on my PC).
< 1304928688 930547 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my PC)
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< 1304928790 720070 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[When I started in 2003, security was big news and I was designing a system with no defence against malware. Since I had no real interest in doing network code myself, I went ahead and said no networking to hush security obsessed paranoid people.
< 1304928790 925311 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't have any ideas on making a better browser and I think doing a network "stack" (as the kids say) is difficult. I have a feeling there are propriatary Microsoft network protocols involved?
< 1304928791 1815 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I respect Bush for being a man of his word, if nothing else, and I hope to be a man of my word. You can do networking. By the way, the "constitution" started as "promises" but that spounded gay.]]
< 1304928795 270101 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last sentence
< 1304928882 872515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay spounding is all the rage
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< 1304930244 600411 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Forget God, I've got a response from NIVLAC.
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< 1304931285 215840 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1304932796 676247 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, started fungot's tweeting side again, since the IRC side is temporarily silent.
< 1304932799 427111 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2011-05-09 10:57:49] Tweeted: About NetHack: into a locked shop. both arboreal and terrestrial, the beautiful warrior-maids of odin who rode through the vorpal blade... (fungot)
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< 1304935435 504264 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Code.tar.gz contains an executable file. For security reasons, Google Mail does not allow you to send this type of file."
< 1304935438 660342 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>are you fucking kidding me
< 1304935469 504103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is impressive, ircing while jogging
< 1304935517 850624 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the magic of bashing random keys
< 1304935529 43311 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah i'm reinstalling all up in this bitch
< 1304935535 901134 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technical term)
< 1304935612 73563 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is the time --><_--
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< 1304937984 904524 :elliottjog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Unity thing doesn't seem as bad as the last time I used it.
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< 1304939067 324998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, however, not sure I can go so far as to tolerate it.
< 1304939165 799116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it is simply too different for my fragile mind right now.
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< 1304939206 663543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1304939222 782848 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the...
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< 1304939275 338008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh, good old shitty GNOME.
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< 1304939545 99257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to agree with Vorpal's policy of avoiding non-LTS relea I DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING CLICK THAT WINDOW WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING IT
< 1304939636 595592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am finding it very hard to come up with reasons to not reinstall the previous version.
< 1304939728 869120 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com
< 1304940093 623924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD WHAT DO YOU THINK CLICK SENSITIVITY IS MEANT TO BE.
< 1304940100 607594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN LIGHTLY BRUSH ON THIS TOUCHPAD AND YOU THINK IT'S A CLICK.
< 1304940103 123769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED.
< 1304940107 873298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M GOING TO INSTALL THE OLD VERSION.
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< 1304944262 514597 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: friendly tip: natty narwhal is amazingly bad in pretty much every way, both Unity and Gnome
< 1304944273 802745 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly bad enough that i've just clean-install-downgraded
< 1304944294 978351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottog: thanks; I was being cautious about upgrading because I guessed something like that might happen
< 1304944300 948339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a confirmation is good
< 1304944316 771652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to wait for the next LTS, and then to use it if it's decent, or change distro if it isn't
< 1304944322 155788 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possibly better if you're not on a laptop -- the touchpad handling was just awful, I could be typing normally and it'd decide I clicked
< 1304944327 562876 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... eugh
< 1304944333 558905 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-tabbing is now slow, somehow
< 1304944334 679191 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how they managed this feat
< 1304944347 574963 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Unity still just feels awkward
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< 1304944377 696629 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, wrt changing distro, now that gnome three's out you get the whole other world of pain known as gnome shell
< 1304944391 33673 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ gnome-panel and metacity are still distributed with gnome three though
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< 1304944398 640428 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's possible to avoid that... for now
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< 1304944444 518047 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear linux world: between unity, gnome three, and kde four, you have singlehandedly managed to completely redesign the desktop thrice, and each time fail utterly at it. please go back to ripping off Microsoft, it was far more productive
< 1304944514 717560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3 is still being maintained
< 1304944521 310425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by the KDE people, it was forked
< 1304944524 283998 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Trinity is
< 1304944528 983357 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a fork, yes
< 1304944545 736152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out how nibbles was screwed up so badly, in the meantime
< 1304944550 394567 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately, KDE Three isn't the environment I'm interested in
< 1304944556 620604 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME Two is; it's always been mediocre, but grahgerghriegherhgierhi all this new shit is terrible
< 1304944558 799803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed all its major bugs in singleplayer a while back (by sending patches to the maintainers)
< 1304944567 328807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lots of bugs seem to have crept back in
< 1304944569 601061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do it again
< 1304944582 779122 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might see if I can keep this installation longer than cpressey did without upgrading :)
< 1304944588 945937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about a gnome 2-like shell running on gnome 3? would that be an option?
< 1304944594 288505 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was on a two thousand and six release this year, I think
< 1304944622 229658 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, until gnome-panel and metacity bitrot, that's a good option.
< 1304944627 784192 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (I mean, an /acceptable/ option.)
< 1304944635 457178 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But it can't be long until GTK API changes break it.
< 1304944638 987653 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's fashionable.
< 1304944647 753869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll have to keep porting gnome-panel, then
< 1304944648 310712 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they've explicitly said they don't give a shit about maintaining them any more.
< 1304944652 740728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use Compiz rather than Metacity
< 1304944672 662659 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going to try and maintain gnome-panel/metacity up to bitrot; I guess I still will.
< 1304944672 852961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I prefer Compiz, although Metacity is tolerable
< 1304944696 606598 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz would be nice if it wasn't for all the bugs, and the fact that development-wise it's more focused on wibbly-wobbly than using compositing to do useful things.
< 1304944711 375431 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel this is more relevant than ever, wrt GNOME Three: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
< 1304944765 644481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottog: I find the opacity/brightness/saturation contrast control massively useful
< 1304944838 604834 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean per-window?
< 1304944842 74477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1304944857 274021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although even per-screen is useful
< 1304944867 763320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as my laptop doesn't have very fine controls for that
< 1304944887 778319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the laptop's builtin brightness control makes no visible difference, and it doesn't have contrast controls
< 1304944891 660309 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tempted to start using OS X more rather than resign myself to gradually-bitrotting software here
< 1304944891 886972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ofc opacity is only useful per-window)
< 1304944906 15946 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Apple's regular let's-fuck-up-the-entire-interface bouts are /predictable/
< 1304944911 549800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear OS X will end up going the same way too
< 1304944920 971716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows will instead fall to fragmentation
< 1304944922 8760 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been going the same way since like five years ago
< 1304944925 191374 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will go the same way forever
< 1304944928 855127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Mint is sticking with GNOME 2, I think
< 1304944933 71849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it tries to run 10 different windowing paradigms at once and you can't follow it any more
< 1304944934 230157 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with OS X, it does it in predictable ways
< 1304944942 676307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's good in itself, as it implies they'll maintain it
< 1304944946 215748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you use it or not
< 1304944963 241357 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Linux desktop redesign is in fact the only source of true random numbers in the universe
< 1304944987 126380 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, Xfce still exists, and is pretty much Gnome Two except slightly different
< 1304944999 475812 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the most practical migration path
< 1304945007 500975 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it fits in fine with gnome programs
< 1304945023 122791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very experienced with desktop environments other than the Big Two
< 1304945037 995290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can tolerate KDE 4 (assuming the bugs have been fixed since I last looked at it)
< 1304945041 159131 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having number keys is so great
< 1304945051 365290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I trust them to keep maintaining it though, or if they'll eventually surrender, or just write their own thing, or what
< 1304945074 653336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an existing open source project is normally easier than just writing your own thing
< 1304945080 936028 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE Four is, I think, what happens when you take the typical "We need to change... EVERYTHING... it isn't about consequences... it's about PROGRESS" session, and try and "keep the spirit of KDE",
< 1304945097 506584 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you think the spirit of KDE is "it looks different to GNOME and has a large raw number of settings"
< 1304945100 737138 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you still manage to fuck it up
< 1304945116 463804 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find KDE4 has removed all the useful settings, though
< 1304945122 690984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your own thing is either trivial (where reimplementing it tends to be faster than finding a library that does what you want and disabling the features you don't need, then checking to see if it does exactly what you want), or really bizarre
< 1304945126 928867 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: yep, but it still has a lot of them[exclamation mark]
< 1304945142 553839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I last used KDE 4, I couldn't find the settings manager at all
< 1304945147 214895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some sort of bug that hid it
< 1304945152 623854 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, time to restart to get a resolution that isn't six-forty by four-eighty
< 1304945161 215198 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I might do is try the new Xubuntu release sometime
< 1304945164 162970 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be as bad as Ubuntu proper
< 1304945175 627474 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a GNOME Two-esque configuration of Xfce
< 1304945179 322220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea /why/ Ubuntu's going down the Unity route?
< 1304945183 392543 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh no wait
< 1304945186 25813 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've added a shitty dock thing
< 1304945191 91822 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because GNOME Shell is /really/ terrible
< 1304945209 241239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottog: ah, I see
< 1304945224 423947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Unity is an attempt to write a new shell from scratch because the one that was being suggested to them was bad
< 1304945229 171228 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since they had a launcher-manager-thing already...
< 1304945231 812787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they screwed it up, but not quite as badly as Gnome did?
< 1304945233 540271 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, it was created for the netbook edition
< 1304945241 429619 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, they might have planned this in secret
< 1304945249 493378 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but publicly, it was "Hey, we're going to use the netbook one for the desktop version too."
< 1304945266 929785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how good ReactOS' implementation of the Windows shell is?
< 1304945271 649240 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure whether they screwed it up more; I can't use Unity, but I don't know whether that's a personal failing or bad design
< 1304945279 745620 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1304945284 830402 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they could screw it up /more/ than GNOME Shell
< 1304945286 367492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd run flawlessly in Wine, on the basis that ReactOS and Wine share libraries
< 1304945293 372761 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was designed entirely around making nice short Vimeo screencasts
< 1304945302 617837 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonstrating entirely fictional scenarios with PRETTY transitions
< 1304945314 342507 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I've tried that before
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< 1304945323 293942 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR not working perfectly because Wine doesn't expect you to pull shit like that
< 1304945326 348609 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. taking control of everything
< 1304945332 645396 :elliottog!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously need a higher resolution, I'm rebooting
< 1304945333 329594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense
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< 1304945477 240043 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I changed my mouse acceleration settings before. ugh.
< 1304945534 746971 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me never to clean install anything ever
< 1304945545 638760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottugh: did you not at least keep dotfiles?
< 1304945561 951147 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but then I didn't really have many, since the previous install was fairly new anyway
< 1304945567 965 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Remember that this started as a botched upgrade
< 1304945575 570313 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it turned into a "well, I'll get a livecd of the newest version to fix the bootloader"
< 1304945584 532216 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it became "fuck it, might as well back up my code folder and do a clean install"
< 1304945592 512289 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it became "THIS IS TERRIBLE HOLY SHIT I'm reinstalling the old version".
< 1304945597 69164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1304945618 851637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't back up your whole homedir, minus really large things like downloaded tarballs and unpacked gcc source trees?
< 1304945641 731451 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything I produce is either somewhere on the internet or in my code folder, pretty much
< 1304945650 884885 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the full backup would have been gigabytes upon gigabytes upon gigabytes
< 1304945660 657818 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since my backup mechanism was to email the code tgz to myself...
< 1304945681 913273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think this is another argument not to go around pirating things, they just take up space on your hard drive
< 1304945701 350081 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... realise that happens with legitimate media too?
< 1304945716 732393 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you also realise that the purpose of a hard drive is to get filled up with things?
< 1304945718 180957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottugh: indeed, but there isn't much of it to go round
< 1304945730 295667 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, things that you wish to consume/store?
< 1304945730 559243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally I stream it rather than download it
< 1304945740 882392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the purpose of a hard drive is to save things you want to keep around
< 1304945752 813834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things to store, /not/ things to consume (those work just fine in /tmp or streaming)
< 1304945753 844111 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stream pirated stuff too, it's just nobody does that because it'd inherently be a pain in the ass
< 1304945763 697514 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope, you are wrong
< 1304945779 878056 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have confused "what I think hard drives are for, in a stunning feat of circular argument" with "what hard drives are for"
< 1304945785 65997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save them in a swapfile for a while
< 1304945791 679040 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat my previous statement
< 1304945793 875502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is technically using the hard disk, but abstracted awauy
< 1304945796 266891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*away
< 1304945810 613636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottugh: well, in that case, why don't you delete temporary files when you've finished using them?
< 1304945822 899411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make backups easier for no detriment at all
< 1304945835 72768 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define temporary files.
< 1304945861 402999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :files that you won't need again after you've shut down your computer
< 1304945872 488218 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said I did not delete those?
< 1304945879 548567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implied it
< 1304945900 742789 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where?
< 1304945905 496676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"things that you wish to consume/store"
< 1304945920 713165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying that there were things you didn't want to store that you used the hard drive for anyway
< 1304945926 841087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you wouldn't need both halves of the sentence
< 1304945930 677898 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have clearly misinterpreted the slash.
< 1304945941 513679 :elliottugh!5b6972d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store or (consume and store).
< 1304945958 829050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd word that as "things that you wish to store (perhaps to consume later)"
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< 1304946472 893569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
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< 1304946588 558311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like a hospital without the various tweaks I did to my previous installation
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< 1304946830 12930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I am going to switch to Xfce, I should capitalise on the opportunity while I'm still without OS-related baggage
< 1304946974 748150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you do realise that the DCC SEND stuff in the topic is wrong, right?
< 1304947006 971178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, I wonder why I just assumed the topic was made by you without checking)
< 1304947014 286738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1304947016 488588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it indeed was
< 1304947065 723164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is it wrong?
< 1304947107 294317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be four zeros, separated by spaces, at the end
< 1304947118 837116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1304947135 928751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exploits two bugs; one is a bug in an AV product (triggered by "startkeylogger"), the other is a bug in attempts to DCC to 0 0 0 0 with a sufficiently long string given as the name
< 1304947140 135696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, or was it three zeros?
< 1304947142 615164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrong
< 1304947150 941580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly, it's just any sufficiently long name /or/ zeroes
< 1304947151 309223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly
< 1304947151 987469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1304947156 961506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look there was an article about it in the logs before
< 1304947160 162149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's in the topic would work just fine
< 1304947164 574544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what was explained to me last time it came up (but it wasn't in this channel)
< 1304947176 659516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a reference to egobot/hackego being forced to take down because of it
< 1304947220 144130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot was taken down because someone was dcc sending keyloggers?
< 1304947246 225100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much
< 1304947510 856719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if Firefox can be set to accept and reject cookies at random?
< 1304947514 895575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see which websites break, and how badly
< 1304947667 926535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Debian will install OK on this
< 1304947737 452750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although xfwm has that annoying bug still
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< 1304949605 402980 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lauren.vortex.com/censorship-governments-google-white-paper-05-04-2011.html
< 1304949613 1560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: stop cloning yourself
< 1304949622 842237 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: connection trouble again
< 1304949630 777294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many aises
< 1304949632 644220 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the desktop booted already in case this happened
< 1304949632 932170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aisen
< 1304949675 206017 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a little ironic that I am provided with a quad-core desktop so that I can do my job, but instead do it on a single-core netbook and use the desktop just for printing and IRC)
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< 1304951225 763550 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1304951542 501391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, xubuntu or debian...
< 1304951610 248172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shell does debian use?
< 1304951684 127960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you say dash, I will get annoyed)
< 1304952008 764202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would that annoy you?
< 1304952015 964675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean DE?
< 1304952064 863327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean desktop environment shell, by analogy with Gnome Shell or Windows Explorer
< 1304952242 725592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: time to put on my Pedantic Weirdo hat
< 1304952254 423745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The official Desktop Environment of the Debian Operating System is GNOME.
< 1304952267 404343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can literally untick it at install-time
< 1304952277 815653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the boot loader has options to install with KDE/Xfce
< 1304952282 106091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think LXDE too now
< 1304952310 538789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should buy a Pedantic Weirdo hat for Gregor, it'd go with all his other hats
< 1304952333 249582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not something you can buy its something youre born with
< 1304952356 297576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it'd work just as well as a physical hat
< 1304952360 960534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to work out what it would look like
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< 1304955290 241022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went and emailed graue
< 1304955351 854637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP BEEP EMERGENCY
< 1304955392 693108 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's graue, ais523?
< 1304955496 33630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person in charge of the esolang wiki
< 1304955503 942895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, with actual access to the server and the software
< 1304955515 745906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Keymaker and I mostly run it in practice, we don't have the permissions to change really core stuff
< 1304955568 445812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&curid=982&diff=22726&oldid=22705
< 1304955569 710555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one
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< 1304955653 103767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to see what graue does in response to this attack
< 1304955661 251440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested he expanded the captcha to cover all anon edits
< 1304955669 608447 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304955672 719474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he'll probably do something ridiculous instead, like ban spelling errors
< 1304955712 830815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1304955716 490620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I suggested he expanded the captcha to cover all anon edits
< 1304955732 908065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly opposed to this because I edit as an anon quite frequently, but as a temporary measure it's probably for the best
< 1304955794 246382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's an easy enough CAPTCHA, you could even write a Greasemonkey script to solve it
< 1304955823 540929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1304955828 487866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then post it on the Internet.
< 1304955834 638276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<floop> I'm creating a new programming language called ChrisMaple. Because programming can be hard for people to understand, it will only have 2 functions with no arguments: Stop and Go. I plan on writing a new OS in it :D
< 1304955844 849242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wow
< 1304955852 525707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that from, and are they serious? and if so, what is their home address?
< 1304955860 641114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Slashdot, and my guess is they're joking
< 1304955869 485275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :better cull them just in case
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< 1304956413 805379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it sounded like a decent idea for an esolang
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< 1304957251 826685 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1304957251 905719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im really only a bash person and even then Im tin
< 1304957256 223580 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1304957256 301259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear from an essay by E raymod that perl is shitty for large projects
< 1304957263 175775 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo
< 1304957263 289780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a decent scheduler in haskell? how about a netwrok monitor?
< 1304957269 259220 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.
< 1304957367 151361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0
< 1304957367 227553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 not available
< 1304957374 728831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like lambdabot has to go down too
< 1304957387 329366 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job
< 1304957405 664185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's just trolling, by the look of things
< 1304957431 380284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bots that are vulnerable to being made to print that DCC message have to be taken down until they're fixed; what's trolling about that?
< 1304957439 976387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered that ?so let you put arbitrary shit at the start of a line, so...
< 1304957443 41291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling is actually making them do it
< 1304957452 187633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, what?
< 1304957453 536329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a test.
< 1304957473 83140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We already know that nobody here is affected by it at all because this isn't two thousand and six.
< 1304957476 932351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently my post makes the spambot's look feelbe
< 1304957505 917226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I don't get what these spambots are doing at all
< 1304957531 401207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no advantage from it other than wasting people's time, and I don't see why someone would waste their own resources (and what looks like a large botnet or proxy network) doing something pointless like that
< 1304958561 202846 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an artist?
< 1304958568 622236 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They are the experts in wasting time and resources.)
< 1304958593 209086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why an artist would do it like that, though
< 1304958615 620595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've got recent changes set up in full vandalfighting mode atm
< 1304958644 885119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's willy on wheels
< 1304958710 574846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was targeting Wikipedia in particular, though
< 1304958717 643945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these Esolang spambots don't seem to be aware they're on a wiki at all
< 1304958728 725245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is the only reason I thought the ridiculously weak CAPTCHA we have would work)
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< 1304960070 476850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a spambot :O
< 1304960094 521920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly
< 1304960103 202464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any connection with the wiki, I wonder?
< 1304960110 573696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did it get to do any spamming before being thrown off?
< 1304960155 265657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the wiki spambot, note i have no evidence for it being a spambot
< 1304960160 475463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like to think it was the wiki spambot
< 1304960183 903774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1304961106 183260 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki spambots make me feel good about myself
< 1304961117 593315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that you aren't as bad as them?
< 1304961126 778535 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, yes
< 1304961568 274078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1304961572 350683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to transfer this huge file to my other disk
< 1304961575 775081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1304961582 118657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i could reformat my swap partition as fatthirtytwo
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< 1304961593 40013 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good idea
< 1304961597 276879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1304961636 922670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you aren't using it for anything else at the time, yes
< 1304961642 558886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that you reformat the right partition
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< 1304964505 978610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there?
< 1304964521 575676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need your computer finding expertise!
< 1304964532 668605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I decided I need to get a new desktop)
< 1304964543 682723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1304964552 237592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what you want to do is buy the most expensive everything
< 1304964556 483713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put it in an expensive box
< 1304964566 105877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Yes. But that is not what I can afford :P
< 1304964569 438496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1304964576 663208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was unaware you had such terrible constraints :/
< 1304964590 566943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sadly I do
< 1304964613 57966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also it has to be possible to order in Sweden. IIRC newegg only takes orders from US?
< 1304964635 388268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but newegg is convenient to find things on :P
< 1304964640 465879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1304964649 666265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually buying them is left as an exercise to the reader
< 1304964698 563033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :/
< 1304964699 549046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
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< 1304964729 549676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp :P
< 1304964734 962240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, I need a decent performance setup, doesn't need to be the most extreme however. And an okay case for it. I want a fairly quiet system, so variable speed fans all over if possible. And it needs at least one classical PCI slot. Other than my SB live card and my two sata hdds I'm going for all new hardware.
< 1304964779 595986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name a budget in a currency that isn't some backwater European economy :P
< 1304964781 873528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the threads in the screwholes on my current case are worn out, so definitely a new case
< 1304964785 362245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A backwater North American economy is preferred.)
< 1304964786 895896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let me convert it
< 1304964823 780282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says 7000 Swedish kronor = 1 111.677 U.S. dollars, though that is slightly adjustable.
< 1304964836 160067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know if nvidia or amd/ati is best atm
< 1304964841 817837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice number. Lots of ones.
< 1304964846 752661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1304964850 194811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, whichever works best under linux
< 1304964852 779710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Intel is the bestest as far as Linux support goes :P
< 1304964857 468361 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :round that to USD1111.111
< 1304964860 105226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But useless in the, e.g. actually doing things department.
< 1304964862 673813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need good 3D graphics
< 1304964872 661058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's subjective :P
< 1304964874 316931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do want GPGPU stuff
< 1304964877 652644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right.
< 1304964878 5597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1304964910 992202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nvidia still has better linux support
< 1304964913 783715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I presume you want AMD
< 1304964915 967787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't need crysis however. But minecraft on far would be nice.
< 1304964924 967945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for CPU?
< 1304964928 451677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1304964930 400554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On FAR?????? WHOA BUDDY
< 1304964935 69180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GETTIN' A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES HERE
< 1304964935 410835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1304964937 385879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIGHT HAVE TO UP THAT BUDGET
< 1304964941 230599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har
< 1304964948 12974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old system almost managed that so :P
< 1304964981 857451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, amd/intel: don't care much. I would prefer if it didn't run way too hot (less cooling needed: nicer, also better for electricity bill)
< 1304964992 758476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that indicates intel, but then amd is cheaper
< 1304965028 436689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you want sixteen gibioctets of RAM or twenty-four?
< 1304965054 64549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, 8 would probably be enough, but sure 16 if that is affordable
< 1304965064 375643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for zillions of gigaquads!
< 1304965066 449548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway for upping the budget, jokes aside, that would be possible, a bit.
< 1304965088 622912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIXTEEN BILLION GIGATERAS OF RAMS
< 1304965093 620399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think 24 is likely overkill. But who knows, if that meets all other requirements why not
< 1304965110 513961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice step up from my current 1.5 anyway
< 1304965115 56503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to see if SSD prices have gone down :-P
< 1304965126 253440 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have SATA disks I will reuse
< 1304965132 168024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BORING.
< 1304965135 938729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you probably have mastered the art of using more than eighty gigabytes on your OS anyawy.
< 1304965136 897490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.
< 1304965139 501447 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that plus my SB Live card is all the hardware I want to carry over
< 1304965155 972358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really count SSDs as storage in that sense, anyway, more internal CPU OS storage X-D
< 1304965159 316121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for SSD you mean? Let me check /usr size
< 1304965177 872546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no I can't
< 1304965180 826188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong system
< 1304965190 325575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, forty gig SSD for ninety five bucks.
< 1304965195 732161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on my laptop, I forgot since I plugged in my desktop monitor
< 1304965199 522652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sure are going down .... slowly ..........
< 1304965217 54162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll pass on SSD then, though it would certainly be nice
< 1304965234 265751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How many cores do you need for your apple
< 1304965238 415352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean your PC
< 1304965251 419743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and the sata chipset should support that native command queue thingy (but I guess all modern systems do). My disks support it, but not my current sata chipset
< 1304965262 517633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh... more than one
< 1304965266 219493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2? 4?
< 1304965275 236597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six, eight, insert cheerleadering
< 1304965282 798400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1304965289 520289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not one of those 12-core ones from amd?
< 1304965291 798663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what AMD's six-cores are
< 1304965296 381360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three-cores are four-cores with one broken core
< 1304965299 973647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not like you get seven-cores
< 1304965301 181350 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1304965306 111812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it comes to a RAM vs. number of cores vs. budget or such I'd prefer a  balanced system within the budget :P
< 1304965306 987227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are they... two slightly-broken four cores stuck together?
< 1304965318 97176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GOD you are so BORING.
< 1304965320 913139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite possibly, IIRC eight-cores are normally just made from two four-core chips
< 1304965331 736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but this is a system I actually plan to BUY
< 1304965341 972173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Surprised they don't have seven-core chips then, i.e. four core + three core.
< 1304965343 613040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, at least it isn't elliott trying to spec a system for me
< 1304965347 226776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe they are actually 6-cores from scratch
< 1304965353 944300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the oct-cores probably sell better
< 1304965354 186883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais> I'm not sure I need a kilobyte of RAM.
< 1304965358 359959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh
< 1304965361 88661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wrt. 12-core: maybe a slightly broken 16 core?
< 1304965365 313491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais> What?? It costs TWENTY POUNDS??
< 1304965385 925547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd currently aim for about 1GB of RAM on a new computer
< 1304965390 20401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow :P
< 1304965395 782912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> hmm, at least it isn't elliott trying to spec a system for me <-- has he tried that before?
< 1304965402 136431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because the extra cost of that compared to smaller amounts is trivial
< 1304965405 393208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and IIRC the 12-core ones are 6 times something that's halfway between dual-core and one-core with SMT)
< 1304965406 709089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm not that insane.
< 1304965410 684860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, but we can both guess how it would go
< 1304965422 927762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think I can imagine that yes...
< 1304965436 244653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like: completely incompatible goals for the system :P
< 1304965454 413285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deary me i7s, you haven't been keeping very competitive pricewise
< 1304965457 116877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<speek> The problem with operator overloading is that the time between the implementation of op overloading as a language feature and misuse of it is roughly 68ms
< 1304965465 183266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've abused it in INTERCAL yet
< 1304965470 106967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I'd currently aim for about 1GB of RAM on a new computer <-- also that would be annoyingly limited
< 1304965473 426764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compared to the rest of the language
< 1304965479 978615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why?
< 1304965500 112406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches Vorpal bang his head into the brick wall that is ais523.
< 1304965502 799370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I swap trash sometimes on my laptop with 4 GB.
< 1304965505 766933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems envisaging anything that would require much more than that, other than storing an entire rather long video in memory
< 1304965546 899755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thank you very much for your commentary. That activity is however rather entertaining :P
< 1304965555 624024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a rubber brick wall.
< 1304965573 268625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *huh*
< 1304965578 412333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seriously, what do you use that much memory for? badly written programs? do you work with data sets that largr?
< 1304965580 415013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*large?
< 1304965617 223956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athlon IIs are so goddamn cheap, probably because they're not very good
< 1304965630 213887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or is the difference just that they lack Lthree...
< 1304965638 481476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, minecraft runs badly on my desktop with 1.5 GB RAM. Panorama stitching runs badly on my laptop with 4 GB RAM for larger (50 MP or such) panoramas
< 1304965647 485787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see plausible arguments for faster CPUs/more cores (although there's a more or less practical maximum level for CPUs)
< 1304965647 657632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That’s the theory, at least. AMD’s recent launch of the Athlon II X4, which is fundamentally a Phenom II X4 without the L3, implies that the tertiary cache may not always be necessary. We decided to do an apples to apples comparison using both options and find out."
< 1304965654 769001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to read a badly-researched article
< 1304965660 199637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what, Athlon II? Isn't that uh... 10 years ago=
< 1304965662 2407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and you'd expect Minecraft to run well with, say, 3 GB RAM?
< 1304965665 716167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No?
< 1304965666 165974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/
< 1304965674 557387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes probably
< 1304965675 489823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's based around a gigantic array of blocks
< 1304965678 735993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes
< 1304965681 194010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine spending about 1GB on a source tree, Inf GB on instances of gcc compiling various parts of it, 1-2GB on a browser with every tab I've ever opened still open
< 1304965681 270649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something's struggling with that much memory, it's likely using a bad algorithm, and throwing more hardware at the problem won't help much
< 1304965691 21168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, Athlon was old. Can we agree on that?
< 1304965691 470114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Minecraft = big array of blocks.
< 1304965693 522547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM helps obviously.
< 1304965697 799484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if using an IDE, at least 2GB more for that
< 1304965699 20787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes; companies reuse brand names.
< 1304965703 178059 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then came Athlon XP?
< 1304965708 645574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Athlon II?
< 1304965710 343493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes, but what's the exact amount of RAM it needs to hold the whole array?
< 1304965714 203280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically always need more memory
< 1304965717 938909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, The order, it confuses me.
< 1304965718 787015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Dynamic?
< 1304965722 374529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly
< 1304965727 371842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But large.
< 1304965730 876025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're going to run out no matter how much memory you have
< 1304965735 384441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> and if using an IDE, at least 2GB more for that <-- emacs run fine without that.
< 1304965735 460757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore adding more memory is pointless
< 1304965745 166686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Point is, $99.99 gets you a quad-core three ghz processor gobbling ninety-five watts.
< 1304965750 715602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not bad.
< 1304965764 755107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is more than the PSU for my laptop!
< 1304965768 621894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no, it's bounded
< 1304965783 210647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually static, eventually
< 1304965787 563783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then emacs isn't an IDE
< 1304965796 159391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't be serious that a CPU uses more than, say, 60-70 W?
< 1304965799 228594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, why doesn't someone just replace Minecraft's data storage with something saner than massive array?
< 1304965815 448988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, such as?
< 1304965815 749159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit should be relatively easily abstractable, so long as it uses accessor methods correctly
< 1304965823 192348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some sort of compressed structure
< 1304965836 206585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine Minecraft maps compress easily, if only because most of them will never be touched by a user
< 1304965855 287209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: many cpu models do
< 1304965855 833698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do decompression and recompression sixty times per second
< 1304965856 844500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes storing a diff on disk might be a good idea at least
< 1304965857 130623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1304965859 601637 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, *wtf*
< 1304965874 69248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can use seekable compression algos
< 1304965874 532322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> elliott, you can't be serious that a CPU uses more than, say, 60-70 W?
< 1304965876 139013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...seriously?
< 1304965885 355369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-end CPUs use like one hundred and twenty five watts.
< 1304965888 43068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, my laptop PSU is on 65 W
< 1304965891 412780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1304965893 490741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports laptop hardware.
< 1304965894 736843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and need stupid amounts of cooling as a result
< 1304965902 253966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that is a nice core 2 dupo
< 1304965903 595931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duo*
< 1304965915 157968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a laptop core two duo.
< 1304965915 234833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a practical limit to CPU power because of that
< 1304965922 732376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1304965926 362118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a low-end processor is not that much weaker than a high-end processor nowadays
< 1304965931 532690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's hard to find PSUs under four hundred watts :P
< 1304965936 664336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please, you're not being helpful.
< 1304965937 556254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i7 only goes up to 130W
< 1304965938 157161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since I said I wanted a rather quiet system, something that doesn't run too hot might be a good idea
< 1304965952 471069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Ninety five watts is downright cold for a desktop CPU as far as silencing goes.
< 1304965957 412520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fan on here is needed so rarely I sometimes have to start it by hand
< 1304965958 533464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see
< 1304965978 753757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why do you need to start it if it isn't needed?...
< 1304965991 727778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when it is needed, sometimes it doesn't start automatically
< 1304965994 637751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the bearings rusted or something insane
< 1304966000 578096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to bang on the computer case to get it to start
< 1304966002 315904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so bug in the firmware?
< 1304966006 56766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in the hardware
< 1304966017 189100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1304966024 985189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn the correct place to hit the computer after a bit (it's just to the left of the power button)
< 1304966031 3771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would NOT leave that computer running without supervision
< 1304966044 905665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I wouldn't run it at all
< 1304966056 462476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wouldn't either, in case someone stole it
< 1304966060 829248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in a locked office or bedroom
< 1304966064 537115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just shuts down if it overheats
< 1304966064 949331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is an electrical engineer, he can handle a fire
< 1304966080 627668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *electronic!
< 1304966085 551238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ;D ;D ;D
< 1304966086 860143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::TROLLFACE:
< 1304966088 584927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has become something of a running joke at my workplace)
< 1304966095 534449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sometimes talking with ais523 isn't like running into a brick wall (rubber or not) but more like getting a rubber brick wall dropped on top of you
< 1304966097 304371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :electrical engineer :D
< 1304966115 336309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love rubber bricks
< 1304966116 723814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: both electrical and electronic exist, but do different things
< 1304966119 633605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it has?
< 1304966141 267896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's why it's funny of course
< 1304966141 344487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how does the system come along?
< 1304966160 221194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, without a deterministically working fan, it overheats quite a lot
< 1304966166 561692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly while watching video when I forget to start the fan
< 1304966167 791661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i work slowly and meticulously
< 1304966169 952391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and meditate a lo
< 1304966170 119411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1304966171 179355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and you said Athlon II were cheap? Hm, do you think they will last much longer than the warranty then?
< 1304966176 850805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(running Windows, the fan runs at 100%)
< 1304966180 495501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1304966200 978205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's an Athlon II in this house -- only a dual core one though, and quite a low end one at that -- that's been chugging away for several years now.
< 1304966204 498390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on Linux, though, it only seems to run when decoding video, or doing an intentionally 100% CPU task like a brute-force search)
< 1304966216 723660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so athlon II are old?
< 1304966243 157546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X_X
< 1304966245 631361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is the cache size? I don't want something like my sempron's tiny cache
< 1304966251 37892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The name Athlon II is a few years old.
< 1304966254 104518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1304966257 402366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athlon II x[four]s are two thousand and nine vintage.
< 1304966258 818350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, why does Reddit value link karma more than comment karma?
< 1304966260 147853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, OOOOOOOOOOOLD
< 1304966262 892022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly only read it for the comments
< 1304966263 29857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, AMD IS OUT TO CONFUSE ME WITH THEIR NAMING!!!
< 1304966278 654538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, L[two] is four x 512KB.
< 1304966286 668983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1304966288 235016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. two megs.
< 1304966289 516915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rather tiny
< 1304966290 410692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1304966292 837661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really :P
< 1304966302 635626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the Core Twos have ridiculously large Ltwos.
< 1304966305 951538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1304966310 374245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what is L3 then?
< 1304966317 748291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Ltwo but slower :P
< 1304966321 108441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8400  @ 2.26GHz
< 1304966322 252987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache size      : 3072 KB
< 1304966322 382024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shared, rather than per-core.
< 1304966325 997738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *duh*
< 1304966329 783743 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant what size
< 1304966344 784319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, Athlon IIs have none, that's the only difference between them and Phenom IIs (AMD's top end range).
< 1304966358 357230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and are Phenom II expensive?
< 1304966373 678803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than Athlon IIs :P
< 1304966378 446544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have six-core versions though.
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< 1304966393 633461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how much more, and I think 6 cores will be enough.
< 1304966404 508483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and same socket?
< 1304966411 736009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1304966426 57906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, huh, the cheapest Phenom II x[four] is only nine dollars more expensive and quite a bit better... no L[three] though
< 1304966426 789432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1304966430 568461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and another thing: gbit ethernet.
< 1304966435 362070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that is standard
< 1304966452 59762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh
< 1304966488 81105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is standard :P
< 1304966497 582102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking a short break to meditate[caret]W sekrit stuff.
< 1304966506 155364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what usb variant do we have
< 1304966519 755195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a motherboard thing :P
< 1304966524 774896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I plan to order this system day after tomorrow, probably before that
< 1304966547 873042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm in a rather urgent need to replace my current desktop you see.
< 1304966563 601539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a deadline. This is like coming up to a Zen master and complaining that your meditation is taking longer than a few minutes :P
< 1304966577 198112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the Zen master is just some chump with Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
< 1304966585 514573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the meditation is just sitting around staring at walls.
< 1304966587 415858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds like a wonderful idea. I'd like to see his reaction.
< 1304966595 493153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be done.
< 1304966610 346955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. Lets do that once you have the specs done
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< 1304966636 407767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on and the GPU needs DVI-Digital out
< 1304966645 118096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is what my monitor takes
< 1304966658 654076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit busy right now though :P
< 1304966671 486062 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1304966807 660139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I forgot: PS/2 for keyboard, or I need to find a new nice white keyboard
< 1304966810 475802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :full size
< 1304966814 313413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with flat windows keys
< 1304966819 808013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sounds tricky
< 1304966839 276391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS/two<->USB adapters exist, you know, but it's not like PStwo is dead :P
< 1304966842 644175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is, but it still exists.
< 1304966852 861304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1304966853 562274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask a question about Mercury here, but don't want to be yelled at
< 1304966858 42753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am asking in #mercury
< 1304966862 502855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather quiet.
< 1304966877 68322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel for each element in the periodic table I wonder
< 1304966895 523838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what you meant I guess
< 1304966932 587774 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.191.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guessed correctly
< 1304966973 935491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any wattage listed on my old desktop PSU
< 1304966978 696235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 300 W
< 1304967167 444868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I'd like to order it this evening if possible
< 1304967174 839540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can go ahead on my own
< 1304967203 634226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an INFERIOR COMPUTER BE MY GUEST
< 1304967220 463759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't want that. But I really need this system as soon as possible
< 1304967289 835275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just got numerous irons in the fire at this particular point :P
< 1304967298 505171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1304967531 397490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Vorpal is building INFERIOR COMPUTER
< 1304967542 107956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, actually I'm waiting for elliott
< 1304967625 537938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, AMD still uses ZIF sockets? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MSI_785GM-P45_Socket_AM3.jpg
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< 1304968394 875866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, wb
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< 1304968722 402391 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's better than ZIF sockets?
< 1304968727 120935 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIF sockets?L
< 1304968742 503793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIF?
< 1304968764 27346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative insertion force, obviously
< 1304968772 755432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1304968783 953520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually even makes physical sense, it'd be a socket where you put the chip vaguely near the socket and it was automatically drawn into it
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< 1304968815 944928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, I'd expect BGA sockets. I guess technically they are ZIF, though they aren't called that very often.
< 1304968832 608626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, magnetic perhaps?
< 1304968845 363749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, that's what I was thinking of
< 1304968853 332735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although magnetism + electricity often doesn't mix wel
< 1304968853 918109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well
< 1304968855 189934 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnetism on my circuitry? would that be wise? :P
< 1304968881 880722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, presumably with some sort of guiding vanes?
< 1304968894 510628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know, I'm not designing one of these things
< 1304969267 928484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
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< 1304969706 964393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I don't need new DVD drive either, if the new mobo supports PATA
< 1304969715 523784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, but I'm okay with getting a new one if that is cheaper
< 1304969730 598487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as a SATA only system)
< 1304969749 151921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a*
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< 1304970977 590268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I will  be away most of tomorrow, and as for day after that, away a lot too
< 1304970984 724649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
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< 1304971065 220220 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a dvd drive costs like $2
< 1304971109 370670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, US$ 2 = 12.5447691 Swedish kronor <-- no I doubt it. More like 50 SEK for a dvd drive.
< 1304971118 156052 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a BGA is not ZIF, because you're not inserting anything.
< 1304971132 502918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, and a LGA?
< 1304971138 534271 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to have something going into something else to "insert with zero force"
< 1304971173 915501 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1304971177 335133 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc no
< 1304971183 430674 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me look up what LGA was again
< 1304971191 636387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :land grid array
< 1304971198 631542 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1304971206 741663 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not "ZIF" either. there's no insertion
< 1304971215 926326 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's mechanical mating of flat surfaces.
< 1304971248 822439 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya i know but i forgot the exact mating technique
< 1304971318 156065 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZIF specifically refers only to sockets with a lever, which shifts a grid of halves of holes that pins go into, tightening those holes
< 1304971398 928546 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that became available, the pins on a processor would have to go into a socket which doesn't change in width, requiring the use of physical force
< 1304971407 647617 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would break CPUs which were very expensive
< 1304971416 738326 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ZIFs became popular around the times of the 486
< 1304971425 784180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, there are ZIF for DIP too
< 1304971433 651469 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1304971438 429136 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean for processors
< 1304971445 751405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, so do I!
< 1304971464 907190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, though not desktop cpus
< 1304971476 928316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :microchip programmers and suc
< 1304971478 518923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :such*
< 1304971481 909640 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1304971485 431516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a 2000 pin desktop CPU in a DIP capsule
< 1304971491 97289 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Insertion_Force#Ball_grid_array_sockets
< 1304971498 350323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wonderful
< 1304971500 225210 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that there are mating mechanisms that DO catch the balls
< 1304971502 170874 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're ZIF
< 1304971509 19731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Picstart_plus.jpg
< 1304971525 649251 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kind of BGA socket that is popular for desktop CPUs does not use that, it uses the spring pin mechanism, which is not "ZIF"
< 1304971539 709063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1304971574 94241 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no insertion
< 1304971589 963250 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why will you not be here Vorpal?
< 1304971615 790916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, because I will be at university from 08:00 to 17:00, and then I have other stuff to do after
< 1304971616 781727 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gonna suxx0r
< 1304971654 8621 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh ok
< 1304971661 217302 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you starting uni?
< 1304971664 19042 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. wait
< 1304971668 991177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, ..............
< 1304971670 113570 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which year are you on? T_T
< 1304971676 491921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, second
< 1304971676 568302 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1304971680 145776 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1304971683 981485 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you studying?
< 1304971687 629038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :compsci
< 1304971688 146054 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something cool like maths?
< 1304971693 246055 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh..
< 1304971694 601640 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1304971700 433330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't compsci cool?
< 1304971707 530736 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it treating you?
< 1304971708 713493 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1304971714 100920 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it a good hobby
< 1304971717 192758 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like..
< 1304971717 555643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater666> how is it treating you? <-- whaaat?
< 1304971722 82155 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't the mind-wringer that maths is
< 1304971733 361 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the course treating you?
< 1304971734 446233 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in..
< 1304971735 984207 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it?
< 1304971746 834314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect, something along the lines of "oh the FPGA is all right, not too hard on me at all :P"?
< 1304971776 443082 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the course
< 1304971779 961934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I haven't used FPGAs for a while)
< 1304971782 737482 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a course can be hard on you
< 1304971783 138470 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1304971793 674492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not too hard *shrug*
< 1304971800 45048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :varies with module
< 1304971805 372643 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha
< 1304971822 22393 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an old saying that if everything you do works, you're not trying hard enough
< 1304971829 240716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very confusing terminology there, sv:kurs = en:module in this context
< 1304971832 702591 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to catch all the bits of info that you get
< 1304971837 716911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and en:course I think is sv:program?
< 1304971868 883649 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're studying at a good uni, try getting as much done as possible
< 1304971879 152683 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be important for networking in the future
< 1304971907 694566 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the coolest course in compsci for you?
< 1304971908 672452 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1304971910 246223 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers?
< 1304971949 11128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Vorpal studies Enterprise Java/C++ or something like that :P
< 1304971950 768815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, night, please leave messages with memoserv. At least something like: "I said something relevant to your computer, see clog logs" or such. :)
< 1304971956 812532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, thank god no
< 1304971968 61776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater666, compilers is during the autumn
< 1304971972 211273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no clue yet
< 1304971979 423828 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1304972002 185876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you haven't done compilers yet?
< 1304972007 73339 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, nope.
< 1304972023 258026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1304972030 161526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1304972047 78074 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler course is probably my favourite
< 1304972074 886857 :cheater666!~cheater22@ip-80-226-46-15.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1304973377 286240 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1304973397 107542 :ajf|offline!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf
< 1304974303 750505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1304974303 842401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1304974454 700390 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Redirect all "Where is HackEgo" questions in the form of lynchings of Lymia.
< 1304974483 680015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lynches Lymia in the classic Texan style.
< 1304975022 32786 :Cheery!~cheery@a88-113-50-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1304975240 911009 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator
< 1304975248 895628 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still challenge someone to compile this language
< 1304975252 525244 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is impossible
< 1304975291 834924 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's obviously not impossible, given a rigorous definition of compile :)
< 1304975292 730613 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be JITted reasonably?
< 1304975302 188399 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JITed yes
< 1304975313 32641 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as the interpretation could change after each line is executed
< 1304975322 696492 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really compile it
< 1304975323 697060 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's just like befunge then isn't it? :p
< 1304975465 651117 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1304975490 858864 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language was originally created by Chris Pressey in 1993 as an attempt to devise a language which is as hard to compile as possible — note that the p command allows for self-modifying code."
< 1304975499 58194 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DevPerc can be self-modifying
< 1304975689 699903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing self-modifying code doesn't really mean anything, it just makes some things a bit harder
< 1304975708 96558 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1304975715 837866 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes full compilation impossible
< 1304975734 358532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, define "full" compilation
< 1304975750 593064 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there is no interpreter attached to the resulting code
< 1304975757 57515 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or re-compiler
< 1304975764 124886 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :directly compiled to machine code
< 1304975793 933413 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, *some* DevPerc programs can be fully compiled
< 1304975805 563693 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the modifications are known at compile time
< 1304975812 874047 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but others are dependant on input
< 1304975876 701057 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does interpreter mean here
< 1304975926 341876 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter for the language?
< 1304975933 644261 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :executes based on the source code?
< 1304975998 228306 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if part of it was compiled directly to machine code and some of it needed assistance (perhaps to look something up)
< 1304976021 674238 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no full interpreter, though
< 1304976057 818364 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but no partial interpreter
< 1304976078 685663 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible without some partial interpreter that knows the source code, with some programs
< 1304976541 953407 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes
< 1304976564 290666 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh..
< 1304976565 157590 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be impossible to "compile" unless you do it how Befunge was "compiled"
< 1304976570 381180 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with your implementation of numbers?
< 1304976578 881385 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1304976593 796351 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1304976600 225875 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way they are all out of order?
< 1304976698 424883 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what is your complaint?
< 1304976698 937777 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1304976727 770573 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you generate that at runtime?
< 1304976736 298816 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.
< 1304976739 654518 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can.
< 1304976748 216806 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a script
< 1304976755 649267 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran it in the python interactive thing
< 1304976772 607911 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then used another script to remove stuff >255
< 1304976787 687570 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno why I didn't keep that script
< 1304976796 279172 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I feared it would be too slow
< 1304976804 981325 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was very inefficient)
< 1304976822 642809 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh anyway
< 1304976823 920662 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight
< 1304976828 995225 :ajf!~~ajf@78.129.159.151 NICK :ajf|offline
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< 1304977605 285165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hydrogen difluoride would imply an electrically neutral compound, HF2, which does not exist. It is isoelectronic with the hypothetical compound helium difluoride, HeF2, which also does not exist, and the fluoroheliate anion, FHeO−, whose existence is suspected."
< 1304977608 263611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :— WP
< 1304977623 801329 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
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< 1304978493 53548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://langnostic.blogspot.com/ Python, Racket, ?, Erlang, Ruby?, ..that's an emacs icon, Haskell, ?
< 1304978498 906148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I missing
< 1304978555 897371 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one is Common Lisp.
< 1304978629 13358 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it is a reference to the Rhino JS engine, going by the sidebar.
< 1304978661 194977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1304978664 175664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get why emacs is suddenly referenced in a blog about languages >.>
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< 1304979215 87424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
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< 1304979440 344225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ()s around the Emacs icon might be an attempt to refer to elisp.
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< 1304984000 713120 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never consistently remember what "NB" expands to X_X
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