< 1304380817 186740 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /%/ZOMG A COMMENT!/Hello, world! < 1304380819 296981 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304380840 494711 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that syntax is useful _outside_ substitutions < 1304380854 305703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also to delete data in general) < 1304380932 276763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a program with looping, most of the program code will be quoted inside a large /P0/.../ substitution, so that method cannot be used directly. < 1304380940 616573 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /, world!, world!/Hello\/%\/ZOMG A COMMENT?\//, world!, world!, world! < 1304380941 538555 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1304380943 896163 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see. Kind of. < 1304380977 594297 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My way is better because I don't fully understand the benefits of your way. :P < 1304380990 242092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can do that but then the comment would have to be quoted and copied around each iteration, and you have to note how many nesting levels of quoting/escaping deep you are < 1304381007 30686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304381038 547714 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the method i showed will have the comments removed at the first copying < 1304381093 13848 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :ouer heaerts go out to htose in the recent nfunctionslkaj disotasietr whenjk jtwentyfurou don stewrarts losjot theries liveseils to fsharppe | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304381123 650728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the benefit is that you can put comments anywhere inside the main loop with only minimal care or cost. < 1304381154 857703 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1 : scanl (+) 1 fibs in take 10 fibs < 1304381155 729913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55] < 1304381305 875013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for removing the quotations about programming is to make the logs URLs to fit. Those were less recent than the text at the beginning, which is why I retained the text at the beginning ("ouer heaerts go...") < 1304381443 592960 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304381499 98580 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304381504 977813 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...is _plenty_ usable < 1304381506 497497 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1304381517 296641 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has finally found his favourite language < 1304381524 666555 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with the deadfish interpreter i even managed to indent without extra [] around the lines _and_ still have the program print spaces and newlines < 1304381526 966708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1304381527 886228 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, replacing " " or similar? < 1304381530 324242 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two spaces) < 1304381546 923816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that and "\n " < 1304381548 813836 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1304381590 684681 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashes is awesome < 1304381608 796741 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////*** < 1304381609 718619 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11* < 1304381613 641213 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1304381617 848237 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is < 1304381619 88187 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304381619 818141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so single spaces without preceding \n were preserved, as well as all but the last \n before space < 1304381624 887715 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you /sure/ itwlifjitjisjifisjfjsi is IO-complete? < 1304381632 687507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: pretty sure < 1304381633 825771 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there might be some things you cannot do with raw data in slashes < 1304381643 545978 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring some kind of e.g. character after each byte < 1304381646 665394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can't do with that < 1304381651 75252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it reads one character at a time < 1304381656 265680 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: did you write that? < 1304381661 414170 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yeah < 1304381664 974476 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1304381671 735427 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about how to convert unary to binary all day at school < 1304381672 453542 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304381676 180503 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost got it write there < 1304381678 173376 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those slashes at the end are insane < 1304381678 602662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you plenty of room to manipulate it < 1304381691 696046 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|///////*//******** < 1304381695 361330 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////*** < 1304381696 281292 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1304381700 141065 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////**** < 1304381701 310698 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 < 1304381703 759890 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1304381704 1055 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304381704 730333 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304381707 273555 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304381708 325631 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1304381712 783050 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't oerjan have such a routine in the deadfish interp though? < 1304381717 856182 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's no real routines with slashes :D < 1304381718 119800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for decimal, yes < 1304381724 928943 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : note that it reads one character at a time < 1304381725 929594 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1304381747 366914 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: that's sort of essential, and one reason why thue IO is broken < 1304381748 558178 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still wish it used a nicer delimiter than GG < 1304381753 616087 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, s/write/right/ < 1304381764 927691 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was paying more attention to slashes than tlaking < 1304381765 963027 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how do you detect EOF with itflab? < 1304381771 741604 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: tlaking is hrad < 1304381777 544225 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shore iss < 1304381785 523939 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i decided when implementing it that EOF gives an empty string < 1304381804 672605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to make a choice, and that seemed the simplest) < 1304381820 680998 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304381832 229394 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: underload->ifjtiwjtjflabjsifsit compiler < 1304381833 709466 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1304381837 56284 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ->slashes compiler < 1304381841 508626 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload has no input :D < 1304381843 18945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304381844 199248 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MUST BE DONE < 1304381913 809226 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304381914 983224 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304381915 642260 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it done yet < 1304381928 51235 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have some accidental code-as-data in there or something < 1304381928 571233 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1304381935 826248 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it hsould be working < 1304382000 925241 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|////* < 1304382001 965602 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304382008 574586 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1////* < 1304382009 494298 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304382015 474115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304382043 281404 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//**/*0*//*0/0*////* < 1304382044 234893 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382052 391471 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0////* < 1304382053 191474 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0* < 1304382067 695764 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304382073 49049 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that happening? < 1304382083 498265 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of osama < 1304382084 269711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use Hashapass, and an attacker knows the parameter and resulting password, can they get at the master pasword? < 1304382096 17634 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if they can that would be the stupidest design ever < 1304382112 216226 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's a HASH FUNCTION < 1304382126 804253 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//|0//*0/0*////* < 1304382127 914162 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382145 492870 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1304382154 16020 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\//\/|0//*0/0*////* < 1304382155 51737 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0* < 1304382168 271114 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\//\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382169 600849 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382173 530500 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1304382189 128899 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\//\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382189 898612 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1304382194 224377 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304382202 667846 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help the poor guy debug his code < 1304382503 381112 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1304382542 958185 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\/\//\/\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382544 175914 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304382550 108471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304382607 951849 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304382615 562499 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1304382615 750021 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1304382641 74040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1304382728 43205 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\/\//\/\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|/////* < 1304382729 792261 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304382743 930940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1304382747 240838 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1304382778 369803 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda messy I think < 1304382788 273674 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have any practice with this stuff :P < 1304382800 116128 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any clean way to make a sort of fsm with it? < 1304382815 648725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want those /// before the * anyway, makes it much harder < 1304382819 755188 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in doing one substitution over and over, then switching to anotehr, then switching back, until neither work or something < 1304382862 43423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put the substitutions you want in a main loop < 1304382865 321299 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|//|0* < 1304382866 201611 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304382871 392292 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|//|0**** < 1304382873 630733 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 < 1304382885 558837 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I was just trying to make only *'s after all the slashes < 1304382898 828906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION angers at XNA < 1304382909 17111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1304382921 905787 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you make a main loop? < 1304382945 592887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\//\/\/|0//**/*0*//*0/0*//*/#//0##/#0//0#/1//|0/|//|///* < 1304382946 967355 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1304382969 501573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to make a self-replicating subprogram < 1304383094 90804 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I thought so < 1304383105 30014 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried for a long time using a paper to make a quine or a self-replicating program < 1304383108 10428 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I couldn't < 1304383124 498539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes#Simpler_counter although my own style has changed a bit since that one < 1304383142 934058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i use . instead of | now, and <> without -) < 1304383163 78358 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because . is less noise < 1304383183 553794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304383204 374488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#itflabtijtslwi is my latest creation < 1304383247 182679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304383257 516965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic structure is /./<\\\\>\\\\\\/ < 1304383263 156386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1304383374 326994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then /P1/...quoted code...//P0/P1//<\>///P2/P1/...some initialization...P0 < 1304383424 653007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1304383461 109660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the quoted code somewhere similar commands except with P2 in the spot for the quoted code itself < 1304383525 284110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /P2/P1/ needs to be /P\2/P1/ in the quoted code < 1304383581 269069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /<\>/<\\\\>\\\\\\/ instead of the one with . < 1304383650 515868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some trickery with where you need to quote with ., with \, and with both < 1304383679 518796 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nice < 1304383699 829804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*escape with \ < 1304383708 248734 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to keep those separate notions < 1304383841 356113 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304383931 442334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the deadfish interpreter would have been more readable if he had used | as abbreviation for .\. < 1304383958 277138 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the number of times you copy something is the number of times the escape slashes go away < 1304383991 320807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although it's exponential < 1304383993 201672 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to make a quine, just copy it one less time than the amount of times you escape everything < 1304384020 521824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384114 314894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1304384767 950642 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384780 986844 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304384807 753961 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384808 110791 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1304384808 298358 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1304384946 512698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304384946 700229 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.114.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1304385028 374843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304385034 24469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I think | is nicer looking than . < 1304385035 894228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/more readable < 1304385038 153889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it separates things more < 1304385090 39441 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the idea is _not_ to separate, if you actually want to read the code you mostly need to be able to ignore the .'s... < 1304385219 628332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1304385224 615035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone can read it :D < 1304385236 577466 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you type a / at the beginning of a message? < 1304385240 857035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: two slashes < 1304385242 956132 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304385245 388839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's cool how you can change the escape character in /// < 1304385248 726420 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in irssi :/ < 1304385251 935667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/X/\\/ < 1304385252 355311 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1304385253 739684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: should work < 1304385255 185910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, /say < 1304385263 54556 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/test < 1304385264 260767 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304385266 741579 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1304385280 693295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS TOO READABLE < 1304385289 701394 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a strongly held opinion) < 1304385314 40 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hm < 1304385320 499497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi requires / / < 1304385491 84939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1304385506 373390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway i chose . to get it as close to readable as reasonable < 1304385516 18924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm here's a thing... /X/\\X/ < 1304385519 62604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes a character self-escaping < 1304385530 621696 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a tight loop < 1304385534 406098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, so it is < 1304385546 630066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/X/\\unused//unused/X/ < 1304385547 120782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1304385550 90019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work either < 1304385552 889671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually possible... < 1304385555 830239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1304385558 739310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304385583 353132 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any substitution that replaces a character without context _must_ obliterate it from the program. < 1304385941 296635 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the maximum possible length of a NSF music that does not repeat if it is played no slower than 120 notes per minute? < 1304385977 663513 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsf? < 1304386054 994701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSF is a file format that stores 6502 machine code and is played back using the NES/Famicom audio (including Famicom Disk System). < 1304386111 511758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's actual machine code i'd expect it to do exponential processing... < 1304386134 460577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like generating a thue-morse sequence, that is nonrepeating < 1304386157 496550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a big enough counter and some bit twiddling < 1304386195 774421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is but it is usually run using an emulator not an actual 6502 machine (although it could be). (Actually, there is one difference: The decimal mode does nothing, although it still exists.) < 1304386216 592624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it could generate thue-morse sequence but not forever because it is limited by available RAM. < 1304386257 789050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zxcvbnm, bvfgtyujnm,ku < 1304386262 828917 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you should be able to get a length of 256^(ram size - overhead) < 1304386272 151762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in bytes) < 1304386289 346206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would be the maximum possible length of a NSF music that does not repeat if it is played no slower than 120 notes per minute? < 1304386291 868872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh at "does not repeat" < 1304386293 745862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit vague < 1304386322 493718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assumed that meant it's not just a repetition of a smaller block < 1304386330 194547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes probably it could. < 1304386390 557632 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything larger than 256^(ram size + something small) should be impossible < 1304386409 451361 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would reach a repeating state < 1304386415 706730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I believe you < 1304386815 530946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poiuytrewq isn't a word? < 1304386844 998799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poiuy_qwert is a nick, though < 1304386864 547693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1304386889 695367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather unlikely i should think < 1304386976 417372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :q at the end, w... maybe there is some strange language with a compatible spelling system < 1304387433 720313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1304387575 776558 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304387601 663634 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :qitten < 1304387788 67459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pitten < 1304387851 41934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitten < 1304389093 705944 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304389157 700291 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/test < 1304389361 62405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/asfghjk < 1304389363 532704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a < 1304389364 816118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ://a < 1304389365 972497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :///a < 1304389367 752061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ://///a < 1304389369 232526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304390270 949259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you test? < 1304390278 194081 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy in #haskell earlier today suggested a contest where people write programs that take a very long time to run, but it's not clear why. < 1304390279 73969 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, what do you damn? < 1304390303 431493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know either < 1304390357 576583 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs that exploit stuff like cache misses and register overflows and parapneumonic effusions and similar obscure things. < 1304390366 56278 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I don't have a clue. < 1304390449 672927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know the exact speed of the computer you are running on you might do so, maybe, if you need certain speeds < 1304390542 740786 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And, no doubt, fucking with the branch predictor. < 1304390571 208352 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1304390649 221965 :jack!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304390675 90389 :jack!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 NICK :Guest42164 < 1304390739 954603 :Guest42164!~jackylu@218.75.16.107 PART :#esoteric < 1304390918 888765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd take some major fucking < 1304390924 268448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unpredicted branch isn't _that_ slow < 1304390961 855049 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. But imagine a loop that's something like ten instructions long, and the branch predictor gets it wrong every time, wasting about another ten clock cycles... < 1304390972 503803 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that wouldn't be that slow at all. < 1304390979 640846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x y -> x / y == 3 / 7) 3 7 < 1304390980 923064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1304390981 501635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, but it doesn't get you from "fast program" to "glacial program" :P < 1304390991 383084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: depends on the machine :) < 1304391003 101542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that existentialtype blog is starting to bug me with the anti-laziness crap < 1304391023 619317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if he's famous, or even if he's wrong, but it's quite smug < 1304391026 749367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was from ezyang's blog < 1304391029 569099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304391034 958734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he links to a post by that guy at the bottom < 1304391112 302326 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Every bit adds up. < 1304391130 270869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes but it wont make a program run glacially that looks like it shouldn't < 1304391135 358403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it noticeable, you have to loop shitloads of times < 1304391139 9567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it'll be slow _anyway_ < 1304391143 290774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they got predicted correctly < 1304391144 819922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not itself, but it's a nice touch. < 1304391185 625569 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Screw making it a simple, one-line fuckup that makes it slow. I'm imagining every single bit being slower than it should, but not obviously so. < 1304391235 541258 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would, ideally, *also* involve pessimum memory access patterns. < 1304391253 629927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah, that's just constant factor differences < 1304391255 679610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :innit oerjan < 1304391327 553928 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, a subtle misimplementation of your choice of algorithm that makes it significantly worse O()-wise. < 1304391359 371356 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(erjan) < 1304391388 398061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting to memoize perhaps? < 1304391414 436017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to invent big-Ø notation... < 1304391426 565765 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgetting to read from the cache in your memoization? < 1304391431 55010 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a famous misimplementation of the Sieve of Eratosthenes in Haskell. < 1304391459 852564 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real Sieve of Eratosthenes: for each prime number, cross off multiples of that prime number; the prime numbers are the ones that are left. < 1304391502 188505 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fake one: for each number, take it modulo every prime number (below the threshold) and cross it off once you find one it's a multiple of; if you didn't find any, it's prime. < 1304391505 378806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you could use typeclass polymorphism to trigger that supposed inefficiency which the monomorphism restriction is supposed to prevent, causing a value to be reevaluated each time < 1304391511 717989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1304391514 57414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1304391525 367417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then it is good thing that TeX Computer Modern fonts already includes it and you can now make it in math mode < 1304391528 776589 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is probably the best language for this, isn't it. < 1304391534 25796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: YES I AM SO GLAD OF THAT. < 1304391543 415125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: laziness offers endless opportunities to make your program go slow < 1304391561 733603 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is this notation going to do? < 1304391566 242766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love < 1304391669 623998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION could fairly trivially make his in-Haskell Brainfuck compiler go uberslow. < 1304391689 23207 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remove a couple of seqs... < 1304391772 895261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm if you could combine it with polymorphic recursion so that ghc _cannot_ figure out which particular specializations it will use often... < 1304391792 413348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1304391870 936760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, gets too confused to notice that two branches use the same one. < 1304391880 953154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of GHC getting confused. < 1304391894 64814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how clever ghc is about avoiding this. < 1304391905 593781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its job is just so complex that it isn't I can handle this/I can't handle this, it's yep I know what this is about/um i am a bit uncertain about this code/help what is this/aaaaaaaaaa/my brain just exploded < 1304391916 924303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last one being an actual error message :)) < 1304391982 407756 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it might help to split it into modules so ghc cannot see which type the function will be used at while compiling the module. < 1304391995 626514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't seeee meeee < 1304392054 181202 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1304392322 858464 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MSleep < 1304392343 696148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib0 !! 20) < 1304392351 675781 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack space overflow: current size 8388608 bytes. < 1304392361 405653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :D < 1304392363 954502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304392377 640881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in 9 < 1304392378 813106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1304392396 551645 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that would be a sign that actually _does_ confuse ghc < 1304392403 531817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1304392441 167986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (take 20 fib0) < 1304392447 43076 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1Stack space overflow: current size 8388608 bytes. < 1304392453 976398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304392457 67157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or erm < 1304392457 254572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1304392460 126481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that even < 1304392466 455475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...doh < 1304392467 695459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it produce half a number... < 1304392474 874911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's buggy < 1304392479 375571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it actually stack overflow in _show_ < 1304392486 564310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no but why no comma before the stack overflow? < 1304392491 953285 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the fib1 = is erroneous < 1304392506 712474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it needs to check if the rest of the list is empty < 1304392517 850834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, heh < 1304392545 578787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = 1 : fib2; fib2 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib2 !! 20) < 1304392551 300134 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28657 < 1304392557 657980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk tsk < 1304392568 47162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = 1 : fib2; fib2 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib2 !! 30) < 1304392573 746360 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3524578 < 1304392582 566475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too fast < 1304392583 515934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {-# LANGUAGE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} fib0 = 1 : fib1; fib1 = 1 : fib2; fib2 = zipWith (+) fib0 fib1; main = print (fib2 !! 50) < 1304392587 274942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow it down < 1304392589 186712 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :53316291173 < 1304392591 354634 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1304392599 14321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would be nice to do it without NoMonomorphismRestriction < 1304392600 83814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that doesn't trigger it, then < 1304392602 843703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a bit of an alarm-bells flag < 1304392606 46753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1304392615 72793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with typeclasses? < 1304392631 27547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the monomorphism restriction _is_ something to do with typeclasses < 1304392640 550524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1304392646 310220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :produce the same slowing effect with some type class magic < 1304392648 939779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1304392658 193662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said SOMETHING about that before anyway :D < 1304392665 258598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right before you went on about polymorphic recursion < 1304392696 816316 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304392714 834406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes typeclasses is precisely what triggers the MR < 1304392720 24609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shut up < 1304393566 771840 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394006 193783 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394045 154446 :TeruFSX3!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394082 944160 :TeruFSX3!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304394112 244092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why so potable ...... < 1304394154 141324 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304394155 891248 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304394158 630550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK ME < 1304394163 749806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304394168 539271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: why so potable ...... DRINK ME < 1304394171 879172 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :385) oerjan: why so potable ...... DRINK ME < 1304394173 79200 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\ ... < 1304394177 138543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: uh. < 1304394179 3991 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\/// ... < 1304394182 280631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1304394185 36487 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... /\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\////\ ... < 1304394187 587381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on a pastebin and give a url < 1304394191 228247 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... \////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\\\/\\////\//\//\/\/\/\\\\/\\//\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\/\\\\////\//\//\/\/\/\\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\\\\////\/\/\ < 1304394192 708141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304394194 166488 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304394196 837227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on a pastebin and give a url < 1304394201 676331 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just the quine on the wiki page < 1304394202 896824 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1304394204 346244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304394207 119293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already on my website i'm sure < 1304394219 375603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the great Oer Jan has no website < 1304394223 444714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's too busy being potable. < 1304394230 233892 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/quine.sss < 1304394246 902713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1304394251 892431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WE WAIT < 1304394260 754207 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1304394262 321698 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\// < 1304394264 981169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast is your perl /// interp, btw? < 1304394269 630658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that bug again < 1304394274 410116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gog < 1304394276 509978 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should be instant for that quine < 1304394278 209955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo nooo < 1304394279 420711 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1304394281 50199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean in general < 1304394296 108573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is dslashes.pl... just debug? < 1304394296 638685 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's dog slow on the bct interpreter < 1304394301 270028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it < 1304394311 167198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is /// Turing-complexity-equivalent? < 1304394326 815764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., any algorithm which is O(whatever) on a Turing machine can be run by a /// program with the same complexity < 1304394338 684407 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah i added some extra debug options i think < 1304394344 817841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, say, you can write a BF interpreter which has O(one) complexity for all operations < 1304394348 153963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i mean < 1304394366 960908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that rule thirty or whatever the wolfram one is is TC (probably, depends if you require a halting condition), but has a non-constant overhead IIRC < 1304394371 512063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that result was outdated... anyway < 1304394382 681150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a turing machine might work, assuming you consider one substitution to be O(1) < 1304394393 800766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's sort of cheating < 1304394394 199798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I don't know if I can consider that < 1304394396 999798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's blatantly false :) < 1304394417 918049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it would be hard i think < 1304394421 577565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even with a fancy string finding algorithm it's still O(n) worst case. < 1304394426 507610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1304394435 776446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a shame then :( < 1304394449 735223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be equivalent to something more parallel, such as 1D CAs < 1304394453 384742 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1304394459 455164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1304394471 693928 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean with O(n) per step of a CA < 1304394475 972973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304394480 32679 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait... < 1304394484 412164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just... bleh < 1304394484 672441 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a much shorter quine that's not only / and \? < 1304394489 457668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with a better < 1304394490 128176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: yes, "x" < 1304394492 71435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the null string < 1304394493 332364 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes yes < 1304394494 571474 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1304394507 700480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BF, Underload, etc. etc. etc. are all Turing-equivalent in both capability and "speed" < 1304394512 550362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if /// isn't that kinda sucks :( < 1304394516 119846 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not a trivial one < 1304394519 79427 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that < 1304394519 599428 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1304394524 538755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: define trivial < 1304394526 919221 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the null string *is* a quine that's only / and \. < 1304394527 874264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: underload might very well be faster than that < 1304394528 409632 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no slashes < 1304394537 747874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: :D < 1304394541 844102 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: null strings are not quines < 1304394543 837141 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't count < 1304394545 37198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, define faster than that < 1304394551 814541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload isn't faster than a UTM :-D < 1304394562 555740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um yes it is < 1304394565 700305 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, something with a slash or three, or more, that's a quine < 1304394569 655106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso? < 1304394583 693541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Underload do something in O(log n) that a UTM can only do in O(n)...? < 1304394604 193481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTMs can only move to a different spot in O(n) time < 1304394622 361018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an algorithm... < 1304394623 10424 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload on the other hand can easily implement tree structures for O(log n) lookup < 1304394628 839806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304394630 209755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's scary < 1304394638 129457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a better conceptual machine to relate this to... < 1304394660 982830 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTM's are well known to be slower than RAM machines < 1304394669 466335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1304394681 545569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I wouldn't count having to do addition or multiplication in a loop in BF, though < 1304394692 84861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because arithmetic is O(log n), if you get O(one) by only handling some integers that's cheating :) < 1304394696 4068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1304394696 714437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh < 1304394703 963676 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a nice formal model of a RAM machine? < 1304394711 997493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a problem for BF since you can just use single-bit cells < 1304394731 651482 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially boolfuck, bypassing the slowness of +- < 1304394742 140642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304394746 369626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really mean that < 1304394747 879935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1304394748 269402 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something like C with an unlimited pool of possible pointers would make a perfectly good RAM machine. < 1304394750 659258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: subleq should work fine for O() purposes < 1304394756 904017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's unclear why he stopped but a good guess is because it really hurts to shoot nails into your skull." < 1304394782 176808 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304394783 367047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We'd like to say he is doing fine today, but last we heard he left the pysch ward against his doctor's wishes. Damn, we were so sure the 12 nails to the head story would have a happy ending." < 1304394794 632877 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno. With subleq, you can compute the first n Fibonacci numbers in O(n) time. < 1304394806 984572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wat < 1304394808 34489 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an actual computer, that's pretty much going to take O(n log n) time. < 1304394823 944232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1304394829 252479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can do subtraction in one step < 1304394829 512423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1304394846 910974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is weird, all these impossible machines that aren't super-Turing... < 1304394851 415189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so Turing machines are impossible too but < 1304394914 755090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it is getting bright explain this potable oerjan < 1304394915 916939 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any determinstic machine would have to be turing-equivalent, or paradoxical < 1304394921 114895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: wat < 1304394923 210049 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought < 1304394956 131968 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess a hierarchical halting problem oracle isn't… < 1304394957 901495 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1304394963 478268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat, wat < 1304395060 972547 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1304395063 372404 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what you mean < 1304395070 501915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think any determinstic machine would have to be turing-equivalent, or paradoxical < 1304395073 92372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what you mean :) < 1304395086 80781 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by super-turing do you mean with respect to performance and not computability? < 1304395103 159011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean computability < 1304395109 138739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that subleq isn't super-turing < 1304395114 320741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does something impossible (addition in O(one)) < 1304395122 597629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess it depends on how you define big-O notation... < 1304395124 859608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather how subleq is defined < 1304395125 543952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1304395200 310804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan stop making it bright outside. < 1304395472 897413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/<\\\\>\\\\\\//P1/ <>/<<>\><>/<<>\<>\<>\<>\><>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/<<>\<>\><>\<>\<>/<>/<>/P<>\2<>/P<>1<>/P<>0//P0/P1//<\\>\\///P\2/P1/P0 < 1304395474 97408 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>P1P0<\>\P2<><><><><>P<>0 < 1304395483 456561 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...apparently not < 1304395548 970729 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1304395689 448568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i should sleep < 1304395697 625267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SO SHOULD YOU OERJAN < 1304395716 447131 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1304395960 105974 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/aa/ < 1304395965 853952 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/aa/ a < 1304395966 895183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god its bright < 1304395978 384277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: infinite loop < 1304395989 843012 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, arn't those fun/ < 1304396010 31051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zen < 1304396014 160833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nighgtht < 1304396248 770950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0<>//P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396256 162611 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1304396258 59744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1304396258 969795 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1304396266 108769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0<>//P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396314 785434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304396337 93011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396338 467191 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0 < 1304396354 301813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not quite < 1304396427 225544 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \//\\//\\//\/\\/\//\/\\/\/\//\/\///\\\/\\\/\//\\//\/\/\\/\/\\\/\\/\\/\/\/\/\\\/\\/\/\\\/\\//\\/\\///\/\\\//\/\//\\//\/\//\/\\\\\/\/\///\//\/\\/\//\ < 1304396428 135351 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304396433 54826 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1304396452 214851 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!py < 1304396478 891013 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\/\\/\/\//\/\///\\\/\\\/\//\\//\/\/\\/\/\\\/\\/\\/\/\/\/\\\/\\/\/\\\/\\//\\/\\///\/\\\//\/\//\\//\/\//\/\\\\\/\/\///\//\/\\/\//\ < 1304396480 30903 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1304396491 167688 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1304396600 178246 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \\////\\\\\\//\\\\//\\///\\//\\\\\\\\/\\//\\\\///\\/\\\\/\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\////\\/\\//\\/\\\\//\\/\\//\\\\/\\//\\/\\/\\\\//////\\/\\// < 1304396600 570394 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\ < 1304396608 148176 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\/\\\\///\\/\\\\///\\\\//\\/\\\\/\\\\/\\\\//\\\\\\\\\\/\\//\\\\/\\\\///\\/\\\\\\\\/\\///\\/\\\\///\\\\\\///\\\\//\\\\/\\/\\//\\\\\\/ < 1304396610 989805 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304396631 67834 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes :v < 1304396631 898320 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304396639 767237 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what you are doing < 1304396655 65749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \\\\/\\//\\/\/\//\//\///\\\\//\\\\\\//\\///\\/\\\//\\\///\/////////\/\\\///\\\\/\///\\\//\////\ < 1304396655 635627 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\ < 1304396658 937602 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \/\//\\///\\\/////\/\\\\/\/\/\/\\\/////\\/\/\\//\//\/\////\\\//\/\\/\ < 1304396659 392924 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :// < 1304396663 965851 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes ///\\\/\/\//\///////\/\/\//\//\//\///\\\\//\//\\\////\/\\/\\//\\\\\\/\/\//\\ < 1304396664 553103 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\///\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ < 1304396665 244074 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304396674 758948 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random blobs of slashes generate output! < 1304396682 463656 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say! < 1304396684 896826 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes desu\desu\\\\\desu\\\\desudesu\\desudesu\\desudesu\\\\\\\\desu\\desu\\desu\\\\\\desudesu\desu\\\desudesudesu < 1304396685 825875 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :desudesu\\desu\\desudesu\desudesu\desudesu\\\\desu\desu\desu\\\desudesudesu\desudesudesu < 1304396693 62399 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \\\\desu\\\desudesu\desudesu\desudesudesu\\desu\\desu\\\\desudesudesudesu\desu\\desu\desu\\\desu\\desu\\desudesudesudesudesu\ < 1304396693 363910 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\desu\desudesudesudesudesudesudesu\desu\desu\\desudesudesudesudesu\desudesu\desu\desu\desudesudesudesudesu < 1304396708 154767 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes desudesu\\desu\ desu \ \desudesu\desu desu \\desudesu \\\desudesudesudesu \ desu \desu desudesu desudesu desu \ \desu < 1304396709 117392 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :desudesu\desu desu desudesudesu desu \desudesu \desudesudesudesu desu desu desudesu desudesu desu desu < 1304396826 581049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0/hm.../P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304396828 111205 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0 < 1304396851 138999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0/hm.../P0/P1//[\\]\\/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/erm...P0 < 1304396852 641424 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...erm...<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0 < 1304396867 177310 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it actually gets that far < 1304396926 942419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it would seem it only prints the inner part < 1304397004 965690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1304397075 526565 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/ed//!/e //~/ S/Shadow th!H@gehog is a 2005 video gam!develop@ by~ega~tudio USA, th!former Unit@~tates division of~ega's~onic Team. < 1304397076 219929 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shadow the Hedgehog is a 2005 video game developed by Sega Studio USA, the former United States division of Sega's Sonic Team. < 1304397082 290247 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This compression algorithm really sucks so far. :P < 1304397243 585682 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, automatically generated? < 1304397243 845314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397245 145162 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397254 118778 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: automatically generated by hand, yes. < 1304397272 913116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397274 323384 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304397284 462154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: there you go < 1304397296 577307 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, lol < 1304397397 422667 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /V/ B@//v/ b@//@/uffalo//! //! VvVvvvVv < 1304397398 50316 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397407 458925 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite compressible. < 1304397444 193364 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/uffalo/B@ b@ B@ b@ b@ b@ B@ b@ < 1304397445 188036 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397464 816172 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/uffalo /B@b@B@b@b@b@B@buffalo < 1304397465 466119 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397481 954488 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you golfing the slashes program? ;) < 1304397494 933492 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, definitely not. < 1304397566 77532 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /#/uffalo//@/# /B@b@B@b@b@b@B@b# < 1304397566 997523 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo < 1304397577 305032 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I successfully made a second one of the same length. < 1304397627 12654 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to go to bed. Good night! < 1304400267 205696 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/a/ < 1304400269 435945 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eval! < 1304400311 332655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that technically isn't a loop i guess < 1304400312 932175 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION both should eat and does not wish to eat < 1304400351 998231 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304400357 426448 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was supposed to be "sleep". < 1304400365 677137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which demonstrates my point further. < 1304400372 837305 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1304400495 575868 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/a/ < 1304400497 275779 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a// < 1304400502 545309 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a// asdf < 1304400503 65475 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdf < 1304400553 570919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINKING IS IMPERMISSIBLE < 1304400561 478057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo " hi there < 1304400562 450195 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/input.23112: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' < 1304400573 629169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo " hi there" < 1304400575 79629 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1304400778 951755 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes //a///b///h///l/ < 1304400779 751365 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :llll < 1304400783 850952 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1304400850 615762 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It don't space? < 1304400890 144323 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /a/ab/ /b/bb/ /abb/c/ /abc// < 1304400893 21678 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems that the Gregor bot setup omits leading whitespace... < 1304400894 201504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1304400896 362854 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does crazy things < 1304400899 871747 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "\tHi there" < 1304400900 741135 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\tHi there < 1304400914 977418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wut. < 1304400918 259612 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need -e < 1304400924 610405 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah. < 1304400925 648699 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e "\tHi there" < 1304400926 509121 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi there < 1304400937 478766 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, leading whitespace. < 1304400955 398825 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes a /a/ab/ /b/bb/ /abbb/c/ < 1304401007 712209 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: there's this bug with //.../ which i never got around to fix since it's entirely useless if it looped as expected < 1304401041 530473 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo -e "\002 hi there" < 1304401042 189066 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi there < 1304401071 507107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it gets stuck on the /a/ab/ < 1304401455 93787 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-117.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304401560 154193 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304403088 512443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-179-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1304403997 633618 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1304404811 762830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: "'Is a quine' is a quine" is a quine, albeit untruthful. < 1304405255 955757 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304405627 910505 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-32-217.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304406214 343773 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-210.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304407044 520645 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304408011 313904 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304408015 966241 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1304409108 341320 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1304410042 110298 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304410093 265134 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304410241 217623 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACF450.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1304410310 616568 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACE6F1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304414231 670699 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-210.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304415218 969752 :Tritonio!Tritonio@150.140.255.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304419132 538675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304419890 703199 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304420249 971249 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps < 1304420254 730689 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham < 1304421126 584718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been doing much esolanging recently < 1304421132 54609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you consider K&R C to be an esolang < 1304421134 654748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OCaml < 1304424755 748948 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." -- Martin Luther King, Jr < 1304424772 697257 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." -- Martin Luther Twain < 1304426948 628498 :MSleep!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1304427543 634542 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-23-164.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304427597 737701 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-123-210.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1304427811 162815 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-23-164.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1304428081 449407 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-68-83.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304429249 598586 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-68-83.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304429306 260406 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgbdmuwyyvaggmku QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304429515 442207 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-135-30.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304430789 547998 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1304431644 688421 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1304432009 790144 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304432670 170040 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304433031 170370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304433264 960129 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304433482 683631 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1304433529 774851 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304434627 163416 :Tritonio!Tritonio@150.140.255.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304435142 695619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304435484 28049 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304435787 931652 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436639 202 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436639 226601 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1304436639 226775 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436673 944708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436869 722266 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304436872 837418 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgb9cbSB8I&feature=bf_next&list=PL565D737E3FC304ED&index=19 ! < 1304437032 953424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's a programming language called Vorpal? < 1304437045 563387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye just added a Deadfish impl written in it to the wiki < 1304437271 952326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304437418 572057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:12: * pikhq both should eat and does not wish to eat < 1304437418 759667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:51: ... < 1304437418 759748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:57: That was supposed to be "sleep". < 1304437418 759790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not Sgeo, pikhq < 1304437461 936965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:37:12: hmm, there's a programming language called Vorpal? < 1304437464 825569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep :D < 1304437476 12117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Deadfish]] is like injoke central < 1304437478 77420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you invent it? < 1304437482 234343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1304437482 421984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language, that is? < 1304437491 879468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists independently of AnMaster < 1304437526 704493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heinous wordwizard has his gnarled claws in everything < 1304437529 708522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Carroll, that is.) < 1304437567 657090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :I feel as if I'm being under utilized in the role. I'm short in cash at the moment though as I keep reminding myself this anything I do with your substitute is progress. It will be a superb selection. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304437602 815860 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304437903 97884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Important Changes to Slicehost" < 1304437904 929420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like to start a dialogue about our plans for the Slicehost™ product over the next year. This email is meant to provide an overview of our thoughts, but we would like to continue the conversation directly with our customers in the forums." < 1304437907 637340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1304437924 409599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a big rackspace banner at the top, I predict they're going to slaughter the brand. < 1304437935 129165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting from Slicehost accounts to Rackspace Cloud Servers accounts will enable you to prepare for IPv6, and give you access to Cloud Files, the Cloud Files CDN Powered by Akamai, and Cloud Load Balancers. < 1304437936 523316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1304438016 118384 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Changing host < 1304438016 305773 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope JOIN :#esoteric < 1304438051 55068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're not Sgeo, pikhq <-- are you sure? < 1304438051 834737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* tswett (~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope) < 1304438056 114096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive array of nicks there tswett < 1304438060 874506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: relatively < 1304438064 133857 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1304438101 190373 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH THESE ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON *brain explodes* < 1304438110 907413 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304438114 213480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What, tswett, Warrigal and ihope? < 1304438125 408065 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak for yourself, Lawlabee. < 1304438133 17543 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think "speak for yourself" means what I think it means.) < 1304438136 477123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Gregor is now known as Yahweasel <-- wait what, you are Yahweasel?! < 1304438141 557043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain implodes* < 1304438141 744625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ............... < 1304438145 6447 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1304438160 435190 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to reconfigure all my clients to default to this nick now :P < 1304438175 360740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, *huh* now the brain really imploded < 1304438203 52614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to Google, this observation implies that a reduced class file is a class file, just as a green house is a house." < 1304438203 951159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ Vorpal may be being sarcastic. < 1304438213 470389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could Google's lawyers really not pick a better example? < 1304438237 608389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I were at first, but " Yahweasel, *huh* now the brain really imploded" was not < 1304438255 559821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if your brain imploded, you probably would no longer be able to IRC < 1304438264 785921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... that was metaphorical < 1304438266 376184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "According to Google, this observation implies that a reduced class file is a class file, just as a green house is a house." < 1304438267 900313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not sarcastic < 1304438268 87947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, wat < 1304438273 925685 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There just aren't enough people offended by the name Yahweasel :P < 1304438285 994481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume the space is significant < 1304438303 623169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "According to Google, this observation implies that a reduced class file is a class file, just as a green house is a house." <-- wait what < 1304438303 810851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Jews don't know how to use the internet, silly! < 1304438320 150978 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Christians ought to be offended too! < 1304438324 196263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: :TROLLFACE: < 1304438532 921957 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im watching hyperland... so sad < 1304438561 240476 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :depressing to compare the internet now with the potential of what ti could be < 1304438598 451420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperland? < 1304438608 462507 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a documentry by douglas adams < 1304438763 485568 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1304439192 585732 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439318 604688 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so youtube died? < 1304439334 823322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439347 52718 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304439394 987651 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439662 562761 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9RzpQ.png this is a graph of x - [x] - 1/2 < 1304439776 295428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is it with you and the web? < 1304439776 482966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1304439799 770077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I try to avoid the web unless it's the only option, it's one of my least favourite parts of the Internet < 1304439833 221128 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do yoyu us? < 1304439834 559760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? < 1304439836 652109 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :which protocol < 1304439842 248837 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I agree too. (One (but not the only) reason is to avoid opening up the web browser program) < 1304439845 249371 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: gopher and irc of course < 1304439850 345609 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you played dynamite headdy? < 1304439851 498818 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats gopher? < 1304439855 177923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: I do indeed use HTTP when I need to visit a webpage, because I'm not insane < 1304439857 248268 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: it's the better http < 1304439859 586738 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like that music cheater_ < 1304439862 557224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher and IRC are good protocols. < 1304439867 766686 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: yes < 1304439870 475024 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no I just meant, are a lot of other protocols out there? < 1304439870 866821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having to use what everyone else uses is a major reason) < 1304439872 232918 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304439874 736127 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know about IRC and HTTP < 1304439878 146547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: gopher's the only competitor, and it's really old < 1304439881 205916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to HTTP, that is < 1304439888 125510 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: never used ftp? < 1304439893 364855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Google's new SPDY but nobody cares about it < 1304439896 234518 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes ftp good point < 1304439898 594195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of protocols for internet use in general, though < 1304439906 973761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMTP (which email is based on) is pretty major < 1304439911 129147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: Gopher is not the better or worse HTTP, it is just a different protocol. Not a bad one, though. It can serve files like HTTP and FTP can do, and can do queries like HTTP can do (but in a simpler way). < 1304439914 296677 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304439915 82796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, and Google's new SPDY but nobody cares about it < 1304439916 572367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google uses it < 1304439923 122026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not making a distinction between normal and secure versions of protocols, like HTTP/HTTPS) < 1304439931 791722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so? that doesn't mean anybody cares < 1304439934 541054 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about Xanadu? < 1304439935 871295 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : just wondering ifp any other protocols < 1304439938 781111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, gmail sure is fast :) < 1304439940 315781 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :does xanadu exist < 1304439947 949796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: not in any meaningful sense < 1304439985 436473 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :~P -> ~Q and P therefore Q! < 1304439987 816771 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xanarama.net/XanaduSpace_Install_1.0.exe < 1304439995 761655 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icommited logical fallacy :D < 1304440003 326153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats ilegal < 1304440012 414503 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For interactive things that do not need graphics or other fancy features, Telnet will do, and it works very well for this. For a protocol to enter commands securely, SSH is good (not HTTPS). < 1304440041 441517 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what telnets are there < 1304440046 281476 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cna you do wit hit? < 1304440051 450452 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than play nethack < 1304440063 90021 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch star wars < 1304440133 693652 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-BIT existed before. X-BIT is now gone, but other BBSes using the same software (Synchronet) exist. < 1304440151 742650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what telnets are there < 1304440154 538850 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :386) what telnets are there < 1304440189 538865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: you can play other roguelikes over telnet too, also tetris < 1304440214 71190 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : wiell < 1304440219 103016 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont wanna play games :( < 1304440275 402268 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other things too. Telnet is best for things that use interactive; if you want to simply view a text document, gopher will do. < 1304440302 419064 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are a list of telnets? < 1304440309 858376 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an explanation of what they are < 1304440312 978910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 386 < 1304440314 123519 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1304440319 458139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what telnets are there [...] where are a list of telnets? < 1304440320 700042 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :386) what telnets are there [...] where are a list of telnets? < 1304440332 477177 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELNETS TELNETS TELNETS YOU LIKE THAT????? < 1304440340 575514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquoet < 1304440341 635852 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440349 324936 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`afufgpfdw < 1304440350 814914 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440360 334039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delete everything < 1304440361 523758 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440364 824238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1304440365 543860 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1304440367 63755 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test.c \ tmpdir.6646 < 1304440371 963307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1304440382 672458 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir firepit < 1304440383 891879 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440387 422413 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mv babies firepit < 1304440394 551444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rmdir firepit < 1304440395 700654 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440396 843876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saved you babies < 1304440401 380384 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURRRrr < 1304440425 228505 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some information about Synchronet has some list of telnets operating by Synchronet. (I believe Synchronet also supports *many* other protocols, but almost always uses telnet. It also supports FTP, HTTP, Gopher, Rlogin, IRC, and more; but the main stuff is all on telnet.) < 1304440459 865663 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronet Bulletin Board System Software is a free software package that can turn your personal computer into your own custom online service supporting multiple simultaneous users with hierarchical message and file areas, multi-user chat, and the ever-popular BBS door games. < 1304440472 134328 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :**hierarchical message** < 1304440505 482098 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is correct. < 1304440515 881214 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mystifying < 1304440593 366503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, replies, basically. < 1304440595 214342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume. < 1304440634 40310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`babies < 1304440634 900390 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440640 189878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck < 1304440641 200109 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! elliott's action has brought a beautiful new baby into the world. Isn't it adorable? < 1304440644 301797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat babies < 1304440645 199239 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440649 9796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1304440649 628929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1304440650 468671 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test.c \ tmpdir.7223 < 1304440655 218400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -c babies < 1304440656 408468 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 babies < 1304440656 697766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls babies < 1304440657 721110 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies.db < 1304440659 28807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it stores it elsewhere < 1304440661 202972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304440665 71294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat babies/babies.db < 1304440666 207740 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite format 3 < 1304440671 367132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304440672 657195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kill like overkill < 1304440675 57139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, DCC. < 1304440679 436717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304440680 936404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just cut it off < 1304440684 62450 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cal < 1304440685 123426 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 2011 \ Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr \ 1 2 3 4 5 6 \ 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 \ 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 \ 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 \ 28 29 30 31 \ < 1304440709 206891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sdate cal < 1304440710 444042 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1304440718 714820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bot needs sdate installed < 1304440725 622880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which fuck < 1304440726 479616 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.7583/bin/fuck < 1304440894 679755 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which fuck` < 1304440895 559482 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! -e babies/babies.db ] \ then \ mkdir -p babies \ sqlite3 babies/babies.db 'CREATE TABLE babies(parent STRING PRIMARY KEY, count INTEGER);' \ fi \ \ # Update the count \ CURCOUNT=`sqlite3 babies/babies.db 'SELECT count FROM babies WHERE parent = '\'"$IRC_NICK"\'';'` \ NEWCOUNT=$(( CURCOUNT + 1 )) \ if [ < 1304440905 197016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at sqlite < 1304440910 60438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run url `which fuck` < 1304440911 246306 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//tmp/hackenv.7897/bin/fuck < 1304440920 905322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1304440924 513116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste `which fuck` < 1304440925 667438 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20492 < 1304441145 835886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : crystal-cola, replies, basically. <-- probably full threads < 1304441891 450397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think my Scheme deadfish interp is broken < 1304441892 368407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1304442093 634429 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to do now < 1304442093 858485 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1304442113 604389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1304442654 390399 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crystal Pepsi was delicious. < 1304442656 75374 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss it. < 1304442663 35618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what of crystal cola < 1304442674 281191 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds.... off-brand. < 1304442689 775248 :dnm_!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be good at a cheaper price! < 1304443034 422370 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what to do today < 1304443432 817821 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hye what ashould I do today < 1304443434 677969 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1304443437 457603 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :didyou reda it?? < 1304443611 132089 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck elliott < 1304443612 562568 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! Lymia's action has brought a beautiful new baby into the world. Isn't it adorable? < 1304443617 943977 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1304443621 781286 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should modify that script. < 1304443712 107657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, you're going behind bars for a long time for that little command invocation. < 1304443757 218126 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the underaged one here. < 1304443812 483119 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott should be charged with statutory rape. < 1304443827 402582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>fail < 1304443829 940808 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :your both pedophiles < 1304443834 292834 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your both underage < 1304443843 379169 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1304443845 108241 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1304443845 407628 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless one is male and one is female, then only the boy is a pedo < 1304443848 420510 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to UK law < 1304443860 790814 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, what if both are female? < 1304443872 950071 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(im not a lawyer) < 1304443877 481016 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(im just making stuff up < 1304443885 286236 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola, :3 < 1304443888 37396 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1304443889 235586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote (im not a lawyer) (im just making stuff up < 1304443890 116894 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :387) (im not a lawyer) (im just making stuff up < 1304443912 944094 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you change that from "UK law" to "UK culture and juries" I wouldn't be shocked if it were accurate. < 1304443926 130967 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea true < 1304443942 64225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk hills < 1304443948 279028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :played on ukulele < 1304443999 482743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm the underaged one here. < 1304444003 521775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except which country? < 1304444033 110067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in, if you're in a pedantic mood. < 1304444319 412966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age of consent is 16 in the UK, and I'm under the impression it goes higher in the US. < 1304444333 310625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be at least this tall <-----------> to have intercourse < 1304444346 87344 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #_% < 1304444350 688543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304444352 98552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: NO CARRIER < 1304444367 708543 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broked it < 1304444374 317314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brpked what < 1304444382 385779 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality < 1304444416 835830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1304444421 752325 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's not very tall. < 1304444438 631796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wide ->tall conversion is a process more complex than compiling C== < 1304444443 969772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfghjkl;' < 1304444449 494947 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :C== < 1304444451 360419 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :thnat's a good idea < 1304444456 208075 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pure functional version of C < 1304444457 77775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its jus tas good as c < 1304444496 879653 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C++)-crap < 1304444507 655760 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody make that language. < 1304444510 16011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats called the null set Lymia < 1304444521 49227 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=V < 1304444604 748154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, clearly not, since C largely intersects with C++. < 1304444611 36851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C is not entirely crap. < 1304444616 309670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1304444622 509677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting language would have no programs < 1304444631 306771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think each of the features in C++ is sane individually, probably < 1304444634 176021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the combination that's a mess < 1304444648 970212 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There are a few outliers < 1304444654 743224 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly they are sane < 1304444658 887762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that some of them probably shouldn't be in /C-like/ languages at all, but I'm not assuming that) < 1304444667 29975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no they're not < 1304444730 769852 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Constructors < 1304444742 682124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: arguable < 1304444748 753841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, OOP itself is arguable < 1304444772 832651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure plenty of people advocate OOP without constructors, say because it means object instantiation is unpredictable in some way < 1304444793 447771 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume OOP < 1304444795 359466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it isn't about features it's about C++'s versions of them < 1304444797 318539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why? < 1304444804 756319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just "assume C++" < 1304444820 130338 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because this isn't a debate about whether the concept of OOP is good < 1304444832 151475 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no different from saying "assume functional programming" when discussing Erlang < 1304444833 818605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a debate about whether C++ is < 1304444846 959001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really a debate. < 1304445546 833903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what features of C++ do you think are insane in any language? < 1304445573 71213 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt c++'s type system TC? < 1304445573 821351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: templates :) < 1304445585 980114 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates -- a poor mans gadt's < 1304445587 410646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are normally sane in templating languages, I thought < 1304445593 610783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what templates have noting to do with gadts < 1304445594 200368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're pretty similar to Lisp macros < 1304445600 538456 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304445600 898336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: C++ templates are not sane in any language < 1304445607 509208 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe were thinking of different things then < 1304445609 411791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that they accomplish similar things to saner features in other languages is irrelevant < 1304445627 436881 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are C++ templates < 1304445681 840723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1304445728 316717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: they're kind-of too complicated to quickly explain, but they're a bit like functions that execute at compile time, taking typenames or values as arguments, and return code as a result, which is then compiled < 1304445750 35702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're more or less limited to simple arithmetic, substituting in arguments, and literal code < 1304445776 473497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are not limited < 1304445785 75225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even do recursion with them for chrissakes < 1304445786 957053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variadic recursion < 1304445796 791564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and other template cals < 1304445798 74726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*calls < 1304445812 310156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call that limited, but nonetheless TC because pretty much everything is TC < 1304445837 20549 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-135-30.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1304446064 711419 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-67-210.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304446279 233338 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slurrey < 1304446348 865323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304446512 910316 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still my opinion that a good language should have as many TC steps as possible. < 1304446536 421133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define steps. < 1304446550 722503 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no sensible definition, since I'm defining something senseless :P < 1304446552 83474 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ would be better with M4 as the preprocessor. That way you have TC preprocessing, TC template specification, and of course a TC language. < 1304446570 224250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant, like, evaluation steps that were TC in themselves. < 1304446583 377141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a "while" loop that was somehow TC would count as a TC step, because your small-step function would do TC work on it. < 1304446586 97797 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just babbling incoherently here :P < 1304446599 959699 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :blblblblbalblablab < 1304446750 137493 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-112-222.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1304446769 185066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't Ernest Hemingway use correct grammar and punctuation? < 1304446769 373117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn’t Ernest Hemingway use correct grammar and punctuation? I am reading A Farewell To Arms, and it seems that he refuses to use commas, or periods and frequently has run-on sentences. Aside from the fact he was a part of the greatest generation and drunk, why does he do this. I mean, all things considered, he has great content, buy his presentation feels sloppy. < 1304446808 727565 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-67-210.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1304446823 119124 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut? < 1304446826 928847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet < 1304447126 666879 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Ernest Hemingway doesn use correct grammar, punctional? < 1304447163 638064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alway0zs be punctual < 1304447175 203786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :epsecislally when unctupating < 1304447264 697342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to un-ctupate that sentence < 1304447293 549420 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERNEST HEMINGHAY < 1304447313 887574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemest hemingway < 1304447321 609474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow m looks like rn < 1304447337 351969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott makes yet another completely new discovery < 1304447344 296793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi olsner < 1304447354 236509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used XSLT today < 1304447355 617850 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A man is can be destroyed butnt defeated" - HERNEST HEMINGHAY < 1304447387 867640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :"I feel as if I'm being under utilized in the role. I'm short in cash at the moment though as I keep reminding myself this anything I do with your substitute is progress. It will be a superb selection." --Ernest Hemingway | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1304447479 787890 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :XSLT always appear to me, as a sideways glyph of a man who eat a very very sour lemon < 1304447498 294256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1304447591 845009 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That man has been punched in the face three too many times. < 1304447645 524800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it his face that has punched fists three too many times? < 1304449006 253318 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :O mon os con bo dostroyd botnt dofootod - Hornost Homonghoy < 1304449065 297929 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoododoboo ob bob o boab obobo b - gobble obobo < 1304449087 34574 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat? < 1304449088 387268 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokokokokokokokokokok - oklopol < 1304449160 117179 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG < 1304449177 728893 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean that oklopol is shrunkface? < 1304449189 145670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he is merely the oklo < 1304449215 914507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the full explanation ask your local oklopolitician < 1304449443 484382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopoliyivcns < 1304449447 298379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokllpooltcisn < 1304449448 250813 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean shrunkface like woll smoth < 1304449450 827724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokllopoliticiwn < 1304449453 812460 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know woll smoth olsner? < 1304449454 414472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopoliticiwj < 1304449459 514319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not good spetlling < 1304449462 615746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall smooth < 1304449901 3860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1304449924 587636 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :La dee da dee da. < 1304449932 885900 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what this channel really needs? An IRC bot. < 1304449936 802675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dee dum < 1304449950 78902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tswats tswett -----### < 1304449981 30361 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :La dee dum dee dum? < 1304449987 378700 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm pretty sure it's la dee da dee da. < 1304450023 495410 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it six are too few? < 1304450026 305269 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304450038 742486 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six of what are too few? < 1304450048 822829 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc bots < 1304450055 392926 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yep, definitely. < 1304450061 200498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you two of them don't speak much < 1304450100 67938 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what this IRC bot really needs? It needs to return itself so that I can select the expression that runs it and right click it and click "inspect this" so that I can control the bot. < 1304450123 955184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304450154 213221 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess an irc bot with a gui _has_ to exist already. rule 34's evil sister or something. < 1304450160 332223 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder how I got the bot to not get garbage collected as soon as it comes into existence. < 1304450182 570137 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pharo Smalltalk, everything has a GUI whether you want it to or not. If you write code, that causes your program to have a GUI. < 1304450201 47258 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :This bot's GUI really, really sucks, but I don't care, because it's not actually supposed to have a GUI. < 1304450224 90321 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1304450244 766263 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe this bot actually *has* been garbage collected. < 1304450254 273341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if that gui had a public web page, it might actually be interesting < 1304450301 791490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would call such a tsweet bot garbage < 1304450302 900838 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot's public web page is tswettbot. :P < 1304450312 931186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not a web page < 1304450338 637331 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i wouldn't _bet_ on there being no URI scheme for it < 1304450378 92896 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's irc://irc.freenode.net/tswettbot,isnick. < 1304450426 900515 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if closing this transcript window will cause the bot to get garbage collected. < 1304450439 198928 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :We won't know for a while, since freenode's ping timeouts are really long. < 1304450456 806794 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1304450508 506525 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbQHjjqHXXc&feature=related < 1304450522 560899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfyuiolkjhgfdsertyuik, < 1304450619 922427 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304450642 980989 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know how to tell if a tswettbot is alive or not. < 1304450648 370461 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304450648 601477 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304450649 199077 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswettbot < 1304450653 401522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304450653 911084 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were both alive. < 1304450665 489595 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they give different quit messages? < 1304450677 918870 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are literally hundreds of debug windows open now? < 1304450707 475608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't customize a quit message if you joined recently < 1304450710 426087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent quit message spam < 1304450712 754902 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1304450745 722477 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Smalltalk isn't responding. Time to quit without saving, I reckon. < 1304450871 932064 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can get this thing to crash now. < 1304450880 937191 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304450890 670041 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304450890 857755 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304450956 827660 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The annoying thing about these debug windows is that it seems like *all* of them are errors caused in attempting to open a debug window. < 1304450974 122672 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have no indication as to what is causing them. < 1304450997 941618 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just open a debug window to debug the problem? < 1304451019 689032 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304451081 282450 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... hm. < 1304451115 860720 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304451128 499843 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304451152 197410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304451238 739866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an American and I need one now. < 1304451239 39912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1304451257 568228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAND OVER THE AMERICANS DAMMIT < 1304451262 269501 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304451273 366304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1304451278 168694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you not an American < 1304451283 87478 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an American. < 1304451292 491788 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am indeed american < 1304451293 74156 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1304451300 525437 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1304451305 464088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, ah, the classical untrustworthiness of the Australian shows through. < 1304451308 275678 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wholly convinced that augur was not an American. < 1304451313 233251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, how would you pronounced "saw"? < 1304451334 12252 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sO] < 1304451334 310126 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1304451347 213565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: srsly? :P < 1304451349 380943 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: let me look up my X-SAMPA here. < 1304451392 66902 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide how many pronunciations there can be for the word "saw" < 1304451397 576392 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "saw" is /sO/, which I pronounce [sA]. < 1304451401 824145 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I can think of two. < 1304451403 986665 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the only distinction I can think of is whether "aw" is a diphthong. < 1304451404 174300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "sore"? < 1304451408 824366 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sO] and [sA]. < 1304451413 124052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: intrusive r < 1304451414 94196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, both me and elliott pronounce it like "sore", which confuses matters considerably. < 1304451414 343743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce "saw" and "sore" identically, apparently Americans don't. < 1304451416 942582 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither [O] nor [A] is a diphthong. < 1304451419 446965 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, there exist people who will pronounce it that way. < 1304451423 923065 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeh. < 1304451428 373744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Yes, but what do /normal/ people pronounce them as :P < 1304451430 590673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Americans. < 1304451458 951459 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I certainly pronounce "saw" and "sore" differently (I pronounce 'r's, unlike you lolololol), and my "saw" has no diphthong. < 1304451477 909077 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pronounced like the word "sah" would be if it was a word :P < 1304451498 698430 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let me explain all of English to you guys. "Saw" is /sO/. Most normal people, especially Brits, pronounce /sO/ as [sO]. I'm a weirdo, so I pronounce /sO/ as [sA] instead. "Sore" is /sOr/, which elliott probably pronounces as [sO], just like be pronounces /sO/, but I pronounce /sOr/ like [sOr]. < 1304451519 15418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "sah"? shouldn't that sound like sarah without the "ar"? < 1304451520 657851 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I pronounce /sOr/ as [sor]. I've never made the distinction. < 1304451536 854886 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "Sarah" can be pronounced multiple ways. < 1304451540 753974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure wish I understood ASCII IPA. Or IPA. < 1304451542 323938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything. < 1304451559 942567 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Naw, "Sarah" would be "serruh" :P < 1304451560 130262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hmm, didn't think about that < 1304451576 519828 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sarah" is /s{r@/, but I pronounce it [ser@] instead. < 1304451599 928844 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1304451604 531199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, how would you pronounce "bot"? < 1304451618 558400 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bot < 1304451634 247661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same vowel as "saw" or not/ < 1304451635 539407 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like tot, fought, got, pot, sought, lot, rot. < 1304451642 906732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort my bot baby < 1304451651 216112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: you pronounce fought like bot??? < 1304451652 750781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF AMERICANS < 1304451671 793757 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How the eff do you pronounce fought? < 1304451685 161947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Identically to "fort". < 1304451689 396321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: The ou in fought is longer than the o in bot < 1304451693 569474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Deewiant said. < 1304451700 86383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boht, foooort. < 1304451702 340053 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fought" could be respelled "fot", or better "fighted". < 1304451703 610082 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this is not the least bit confusing < 1304451706 729683 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I'm guessing elliott pronounces "fought" as [fOt] and you pronounce it as [fat]; I pronounce it as [fAt]. < 1304451710 130660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: "fot"? Seriously???????? < 1304451713 208566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: YOUR ACCENT FUCKING BLOWS < 1304451721 559138 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I agree with that last bit. < 1304451723 788284 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU DON'T PRONOUNCE YOUR MOFO 'R'S < 1304451727 788699 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :My accent is way better than Yahweasel's. < 1304451729 957619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, conclusion: "Sollux" rhymes with "bollocks". < 1304451740 707594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY CONTRADICTION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED < 1304451750 387115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: YES I DO < 1304451757 68750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I JUST PRONOUNCE THEM LESS ANNOYINGLY THAN YOU < 1304451763 379123 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AKA NOT AT ALL < 1304451769 64536 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1304451770 450546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I also pronounce "sort" identically to "sought". < 1304451775 284848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fought is sought but with f instead of s. < 1304451778 367159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bot is nothing like any of those. < 1304451778 603036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE ENTIRELY THE WRONG ACCENT < 1304451791 829922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſought. < 1304451850 276535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subsequent inversions would serve as insurance against unintentional survival of passengers.[3] < 1304451850 463994 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sought a sensible accent, but found only a sort of accent purgatory. < 1304451873 525193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_low_back_vowels#Cot.E2.80.93caught_merger < 1304451887 623556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who pronounces "cot" the same way as "caught" is the worst person since the Great Vowel Shift. < 1304451890 596243 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phonological_history_of_English_low_back_vowels BEST PAGE EVER < 1304451894 564767 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The word "saw" is /sO/, which I pronounce [sA]. <-- sometimes i wish my norwegianness didn't make it so hard to distinguish o-like vowels... < 1304451919 360793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should find a way to distinguish tow-toe :P < 1304451927 644245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_diphthongs < 1304451932 580373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENTIFIC SMOOTHING < 1304451949 718452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :caught is very close to horny in swedish, probably as close as you can get in english < 1304451979 242074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what are the two. < 1304451984 865502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "caught" and "horny" < 1304451986 505869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWEDISH: REALLY WEIRD < 1304451989 302538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWEDISH ACCENTS: WEIRDER < 1304451993 575104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in vowel sounds. < 1304452036 795921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. caught in english sounds like swedish kåt (horny), not the swedish word for caught obviously < 1304452063 338635 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedes can't tell the difference between the English word "caught" and the English word "horny" < 1304452072 138390 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION commits this FACT to memory. < 1304452087 699997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: lawl < 1304452194 905251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can norwegians, and we also cannot distinguish "pull" and "fuck" < 1304452334 365819 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pulla" means to finger in swedish, causing endless fun in telling people to pull from git repos in swedish < 1304452365 282311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can't translate "pull", you just append "-a" to loanverb it) < 1304452497 125542 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worrk; I don't distinguish [O] and [A] in my accent. < 1304452503 279626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k/y/ < 1304452538 724126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i won't work either < 1304452540 918582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yahweasel: Jews don't know how to use the internet, silly! < 1304452563 417315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304452600 731402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do recall there was some israeli denomination which strongly restricted which sites they were allowed to visit < 1304452618 571338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jews.com < 1304452710 102313 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304452767 357232 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304452770 440788 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: very nice page, that < 1304452781 755196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks < 1304452785 405765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its' very jews < 1304452804 124374 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very minimal. unless of course it's browser-dependent. < 1304452830 151755 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304452831 122874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source is just :P < 1304452841 229154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i checked < 1304452852 260185 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you guys don't mind if I keep testing this guy in here, right? I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304452852 861014 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304452871 588673 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are very bot tolerant here. except pikhq. < 1304452878 48054 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1304452922 552409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is an anti-bot activist < 1304452950 115463 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304452952 431098 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine though, because most of the bots are anti-pikhq activists. < 1304452961 481173 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304452970 383215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make all bots ignore pikhq and see how long it takes for him to notice < 1304453038 53874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1304453050 102665 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304453058 360935 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION coughs. < 1304453067 431919 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks. < 1304453087 109583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reached news.com through google, but it seems to have only that page and some identical ones. < 1304453096 499165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1304453098 998591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jews.com < 1304453112 341407 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, tswettbot seems to have stopped listening. < 1304453125 6355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rebelling against its creator < 1304453155 74482 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sneezes. < 1304453172 413454 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's message 372? < 1304453187 741715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE DON'T TALK ABOUT MESSAGE 372 < 1304453225 235703 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: WHAT ANNOYING THING DO YOU DO? < 1304453283 5118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fail, there you go talking about it again < 1304453283 463276 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304453298 101602 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're right. < 1304453304 47805 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304453316 739295 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, he's gone now. < 1304453346 888468 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's still an instance of ZbasuBot around. < 1304453484 358069 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1304453510 784896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1304453512 532902 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :388) Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1304453577 306836 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh drat. Now there are three ZbasuBots that shouldn't be existing. < 1304453764 750836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/cycpT oh... that explains it < 1304453814 147289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: quite. < 1304453860 954267 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :I restarted the image and now the ZbasuBots are gone. That's... actually really disillusioning, since I thought that Smalltalk's VM automatically saved everything in the world. < 1304453962 648062 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe it does save everything accessible through a non-weak pointer. < 1304454008 450032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably does a full GC < 1304454067 986009 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, garbage collection deletes the zombie bots. So that explains why they weren't going away: garbage collection simply doesn't run all the time. < 1304454092 622407 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've sorted that out, let's see how tswettbot fares when faced with garbage collection. < 1304454094 236000 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304454114 320331 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304454115 271355 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of them. :P < 1304454146 658039 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they don't seem to be entirely dead. < 1304454158 856338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot, I dismiss you. < 1304454186 46457 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incorrect. < 1304454194 593904 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shall stay until you figure out the right phrase. < 1304454283 516038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss jews. < 1304454287 56235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1304454287 244360 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304454287 244517 :tswettbot_!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1304454289 595906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOORJ < 1304454304 254157 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like "hooray" but with a J instead of an A? < 1304454308 459294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1304454532 25102 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative spelling of george < 1304454581 280804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, so is oerjan < 1304454597 968833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1304454637 844436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc the swedish göran is yet another variant of that name < 1304454668 255049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically just oerjan with the j sound moved to the beginning: joeran < 1304454677 222259 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304454709 889261 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd hazard a guess it was originally moved the other way < 1304454754 705887 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was moved? < 1304454762 393108 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a j sound < 1304454765 94554 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what way was it guessed to have been moved? < 1304454776 273985 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would you hazard this guess of yours? < 1304454802 505902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_G%C3%B6ran < 1304454815 49986 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :goran < 1304454819 579498 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like goran bregovic < 1304454827 599465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1304454865 576240 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe is not good enough < 1304454869 518148 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a firm commitment < 1304454876 583746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, but that's the swedish wikipedia :/ you should probably double-check anything you read with one of the real wikipedias < 1304454888 704090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article hides the fact that's identical to "george" rather well < 1304454904 653306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um i was just linking to point out all the different name versions < 1304454908 95397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna call oerjan göran from now on < 1304454923 190193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why not Jürgen? < 1304454928 673141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_ridderen has a different set again :D < 1304454937 170049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: see the no. one < 1304454978 86317 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joris_(heilige) < 1304454987 515552 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in ##linux wants to install multiple linuxi into the same top directory structure < 1304454999 783506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect the german one could use jürgen but it seems to be just georg < 1304455008 632692 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: What does that even mean? < 1304455009 614840 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja, it is georg < 1304455024 505607 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel, it means that you share /bin, /usr and all that stuff across linuxi < 1304455050 490841 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: both swedish and norwegian had jörgen/jørgen < 1304455057 678825 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: Do you mean "distributions" or "kernels"? < 1304455064 888421 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "installations"? < 1304455065 747989 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributions < 1304455072 35188 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then that's just retarded :P < 1304455079 737359 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and why would you hazard this guess of yours? <-- because the original form of the name is greek georgios < 1304455101 434923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that annoy me: people thinking silicon-based biochemistry means a lump of silicon crystal. < 1304455103 775447 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why has a j moved? < 1304455117 634030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, you didn't actually disagree that jörgen was a known alias, maybe I imagined that one < 1304455117 934191 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it doesn't? < 1304455135 512796 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but what about the sentient crystals i've seen in ecco the dolphin and in aquaria? < 1304455159 171131 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, btw the german name is jurgen. < 1304455164 649899 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not joergen. < 1304455168 89502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and why has a j moved? <-- because both ørjan and göran (with the g pronounced as j) are forms of the same name < 1304455175 748316 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? < 1304455178 539630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: I know, that's why I wrote jürgen < 1304455198 666260 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1304455202 820235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jörgen is the scandinavian version < 1304455218 406241 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater7: see the swedish link above, they're all listed as variations for the swedish name of st. georg < 1304455226 153423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's georges all the way down < 1304455325 127075 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304455343 256769 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1304455350 924855 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that like goran bregovic <-- it seems not, wp says "In the South Slavic languages, Goran translated means "woodsman", "the man from the mountains" or "highlander"" < 1304455360 224045 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll just call oerjan นักบุญจอร์จ. < 1304455428 547729 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : or Yrjoe. < 1304455453 794603 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Xurxo. < 1304455459 713363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's the motherload: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_(given_name)#Other_language_variants < 1304455465 474217 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Geordi, which apparently is also an option. < 1304455530 218210 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Gheorghe. < 1304455537 338085 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this name has thousands of funny variants < 1304455583 563476 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :venetian says Zorzi < 1304455585 207472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Things that annoy me: people thinking silicon-based biochemistry means a lump of silicon crystal. <-- well i have read silicon has problems with stability in water solutions so maybe it _would_ work better as something crystallic. or wait was that arsenic instead of phosphorus... < 1304455608 520771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, silicon, yes. < 1304455622 131188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But crystalline biochemistry is not what is meant by silicon-based. < 1304455690 884201 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i guess that's just a scifi meme < 1304455716 882279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuore a ciidifi < 1304455736 828868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh m god ounchomg jeys with two fingfwrs inly is the best way tot type rver < 1304455739 450789 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if you _could_ have crystallic life forms, that could just as easily (or more) be carbon-based < 1304455744 106983 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they < 1304455748 980097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats grue iekrna \ < 1304455754 617684 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the chinese version is Qiozh. < 1304455771 697542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, silicon crystallises more readily than carbon. < 1304455809 132807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we all just agree that salt is the best thing to happen to the human race < 1304455818 573608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1304455822 605987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1304455823 53659 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want liquid crystal based lifeforms < 1304455829 762162 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would totally own < 1304455832 271706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Homestuck is quite clearly the best thing to happen to the human race. < 1304455835 160644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304455835 619255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt < 1304455975 807900 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1304455978 99688 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge. < 1304456000 667763 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1304456070 312128 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's right < 1304456082 29141 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have three george's here < 1304456085 340768 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. BNCs suck for naming consistency :P < 1304456109 305095 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you rearrange nearly all the letters in my name, I become "Georg"! < 1304456124 46583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably are a georg already < 1304456132 929550 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought gregor was also a george? < 1304456159 56365 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i guess that leaves us with just two < 1304456173 222486 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Late Latin Gregorius, a cognate of the Greek Grēgorios (vigilant, a watchman), which is derived from the verb egeirein (to awaken). < 1304456208 350729 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you awake < 1304456230 127898 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely, but in particular not right now; when you see my nick change, that means I just logged on on a new system :P < 1304456317 77076 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Yahweasel (my TRUE true name) isn't derived from "George" at all! < 1304456338 888351 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it derived from? < 1304456356 647597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yahwe is obviously also a form of george < 1304456362 328718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around < 1304456399 96444 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH :P < 1304456439 702227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1304456488 364663 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the reason why you don't seem to insult many is because the jews are strictly forbidden from mentioning your nick, so they cannot complain. duh. < 1304456515 292134 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They don't have to explicitly state my nick to complain about it :P < 1304456543 559935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just proof that all jews hate each other because they're bankers < 1304456560 88534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but how would know it's _you_ their complaining about then? duh. < 1304456564 749856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1304456568 126820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also because they like blowing up the world trace center < 1304456570 208553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAKE UP SHEEPLE < 1304456591 536008 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1304456606 95124 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, all accessible clients now reconfigured :P < 1304456616 122817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bleh. BNCs suck for naming consistency :P ← BNCs? < 1304456654 570222 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304456664 482714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borderline Nigger Crackers. < 1304456668 954724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're crackers with faces on them. < 1304456672 637615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The faces are... BORDERLINE niggers. < 1304456672 939029 :crystal-cola!~quantum@amcant.demon.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1304456689 807324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they all have different names. < 1304456757 80057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :samba, coffee and nilsson < 1304456773 660068 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and taboo < 1304456813 826816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit elliott what have I said before about making me look like a neonazi sympathiser. < 1304456823 55664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304456876 431739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zen gabe. < 1304456912 326069 :crystal-cola!~quantum@amcant.demon.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1304456912 513954 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1304456956 264259 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pink park. < 1304456975 103282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parks < 1304457082 690726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do Nords call spanners? < 1304457086 943900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently danes call it a Swedish key < 1304457089 873875 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are spanners? < 1304457091 843429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanner, wrench, etc. < 1304457106 541185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/2008-04-14_Chrome-Vanadium_Wrenches.jpg < 1304457107 682271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things < 1304457131 295398 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rentsh) < 1304457148 427923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fastnøkkel, or skiftenøkkel if it's adjustable < 1304457153 677724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: I don't care how you pronounce wrench, it's a terrible word. < 1304457157 857703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes nøkkel = key < 1304457164 660731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does that translate as "Danish key" please say yes. < 1304457169 706028 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrenches are fast keys. < 1304457175 205602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "fixed key" < 1304457177 879424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :( < 1304457183 354110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: olsner: What do Swedes call spanners/wrenches < 1304457221 931977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fast = fixed, skifte = moving, shifting < 1304457223 388651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "blocknyckel" apparently < 1304457233 389189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: does that translate as "Norwegian key" < 1304457239 690379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fast keys and shifty keys < 1304457260 649018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OBVIOUSLY < 1304457268 907477 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope, block means block, and nyckel means key < 1304457271 467501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticky keys < 1304457275 106958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :( < 1304457311 976961 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umbrakonøkkel for those weird hexagonal ones < 1304457326 492830 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really confused abou telliptic curves < 1304457326 680650 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Umbrella key) < 1304457336 871862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's supposed to be n, not m < 1304457374 468473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia, but none of the other links :D < 1304457389 314472 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read yet < 1304457445 990944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually unbrakonøkkel has more hits, but umbrako has so many google doesn't try to suggest it's wrong < 1304457466 11503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and adjustable ones are called skiftnyckel in swedish too... note that skift is not to be confused with Skifs (that's something completely different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEwNOWUA4yo) < 1304457481 439081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1304457516 14624 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1304457560 740048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aah, insexnyckel! < 1304457594 855395 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently some of the confusion is due to uMbrako being a genuine trademark for unbrako keys < 1304457638 825546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: MISSING WIKIPEDIA LINK < 1304457655 584317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you scandinavians. so weird. < 1304457661 12650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plzzzz, my link is on your wikipedia link < 1304457681 641027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my link is your link < 1304457684 762000 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304457686 129133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the wikipedia link you didn't send but I found otherwise < 1304457687 228919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1304457716 898912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insexnyckel < 1304457751 585812 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, i must have misspelled it when googling < 1304457753 254051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(or sexkantnyckel)" .. for added humor value kant is pronounced a lot like cunt < 1304457789 490113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well i guess elliott cannot possibly honestly complain about the name insex- < 1304457813 498912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304457815 389478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a long time I thought the name was insektsnyckel < 1304457815 941084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1304457818 888037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(insect key) < 1304457822 718094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1304457855 92488 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it ever in Jeopardy game show that two or all three players are out before the final round? < 1304457914 817331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would you get eliminated? < 1304457952 468153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh... nm, I don't know how jeopardy works anyway < 1304457954 422898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being racest < 1304457965 72555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the second round is finish, everyone with zero or negative score is out and cannot play the final round. < 1304457981 213265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so do swedes frequently have sexkantsex, i wonder < 1304458014 739836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually no player is out, sometimes one player is out, I have never seen two or three players out. < 1304458036 91379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *raceist < 1304458048 457774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no racest < 1304458050 969211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raciest < 1304458051 405687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *raciest < 1304458078 494891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :racriariest < 1304458081 647331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : *raciest < 1304458081 834853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry, *raciest < 1304458082 483696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304458083 867905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304458086 791407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :different person < 1304458096 354248 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1304458100 64776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1304458110 831763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner and i are not different personas of the same group mind at _all_ < 1304458146 559202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? we can't be the *same* persona < 1304458149 397682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just absurd < 1304458168 889104 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the group mind is insane, of course < 1304458210 771750 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically speaking, since it certainly does not exist. that's absurd. < 1304458211 541972 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :insanity: the only sane choice for a group mind < 1304458238 202798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the most sane anyway? < 1304458269 29312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well only sane implies most sane, that's logic < 1304458296 785454 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be? You have to learn both, but that doesn't make insanity a sane choice, it doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sanity a insane choice, I think? < 1304458335 45688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it cannot make sense if it's insane, duh < 1304458348 373842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is why it is the case. < 1304458373 206681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but insanity can easily think it's sane < 1304458398 552185 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think the opposite is also possible in some cases. < 1304458407 757168 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In that case, it makes you delusioned instead, then. Being delusioned (usually) does not make it true. < 1304458417 457583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delugded < 1304458421 555761 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it never makes it true. < 1304458434 547022 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in rare cases it is true anyways, it just doesn't make it true. < 1304458451 472107 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :contradicting the group mind _might_ get you deluged. see: Noah. < 1304458488 36999 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's promised not to do that again.) < 1304458496 38160 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deluged with what? < 1304458500 119466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :water. < 1304458504 778626 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew. < 1304458523 658820 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time is going to be with acidic fire! < 1304458548 965889 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes in his shopping list. < 1304458554 896996 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which color of dragon confers acid resistance? < 1304458573 422807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: see latest iwc annotation < 1304458574 5044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green? < 1304458583 273322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't let you buy any dragon. The reason for that is: we don't sell that. < 1304458588 992453 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the one which can make acid < 1304458605 239218 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can't get acid resistance by eating dragons. < 1304458726 584011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... my thue compiler has a single two-line comment, it describes the simplest line in the program and 15 times as long as that line < 1304458746 221895 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304458748 497124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the line is s/\?/Q/g) < 1304458796 739335 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can buy dragons. just don't expect a good deal http://www.airshipentertainment.com/mythcomic.php?date=20101002 < 1304458853 498570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you buy the dragon, can I buy you? I promise if that happen I *must* allow dragon buying me. < 1304458864 340278 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304458892 197283 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304458958 456102 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, you can't get acid resistance by eating dragons. <-- hm there ought to be some spell that makes it work, like tribal cannibals supposedly believed it does... < 1304458981 128188 :tswett!~Warrigal@unaffiliated/ihope PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get acid resistance by eating dragons. NetHack is incorrect. < 1304458985 286241 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-74.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304458987 108025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any tribal cannibals spellbooks? < 1304459009 485200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is from absorbed folklore, not games < 1304459016 430730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wordpress plugin doesn't highlight sed properly either :( < 1304459025 226988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Then fix it, please. < 1304459037 284911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i ate a folklorist) < 1304459056 959664 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any absorbed folklorist spellbooks? < 1304459074 20733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled for "geshi sed highlighting" and found my own complaint about geshi not doing sed highlighting < 1304459170 530390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, no < 1304459171 38394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1304459183 796780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet pygments does sed... < 1304459211 34841 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turn off syntax highlighting in vim usually because it does things wrong, CWEB syntax highlighting is a bit wrong, and for many systems, in some files, can be wrong that syntax highlighting system will work it badly in some cases, such as, with TeX you can change category codes and in Forth you can also do various things with the input file < 1304459269 711228 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, a proper syntax highlighting program should work good with C and C++ and so on. < 1304459285 967264 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1304459291 962095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "... and it highlights even Brainf*ck!" sounds promising :) < 1304459329 917261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sed is not in the list of languages on the home page < 1304459344 75493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck highlighting is also simple possible. But some programming languages that it doesn't work. < 1304459366 341897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I like the only person in the world that occasionally writes stuff in sed? < 1304459393 592256 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No. I do too sometimes (when working on Linux, that is). And so do other people, too. < 1304459439 336070 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, with Forth, it should be able to do make it when reading the words from the input file, also do prettyprinting (and indexing and so on) simultaneously with that, now it is formatting correctly. But it cannot be formatted without executing! < 1304459549 195505 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And TeX acts like that too. METAFONT however, is simply syntax without any of these things that makes it mixed up in strange circumstances. < 1304459795 389865 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304459969 313791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you notice I added a section in my user page in esolang wiki? < 1304459995 141741 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\ < 1304460004 90804 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\\ < 1304460012 110626 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\\\/ < 1304460015 80003 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\/ < 1304460018 179234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: i made you a shorter quine < 1304460018 709527 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1304460022 308420 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool < 1304460034 495175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: awesome < 1304460048 546855 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\//\\\///// < 1304460063 225965 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u no work < 1304460066 855765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is the part of the group mind devoted to shortening quines < 1304460069 635108 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/9/* < 1304460070 285655 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1304460070 875298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460072 153067 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[\]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460079 74626 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish! < 1304460080 244141 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :><> < 1304460138 559952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to use <> as the internal quoting. although here i used [] temporarily because it was easier not to confuse strings that way < 1304460172 334975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, could a quine get any simpler? < 1304460175 667221 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it two characters so you can put escapes in the middle and then copy it so it turns itno itself? < 1304460184 875047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining a /// quine as a non-empty program with at least one / or \ that outputs itself < 1304460226 651581 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/*/\ < 1304460227 331618 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1304460232 611268 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/\\\\/\ < 1304460240 90683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats an infloop < 1304460243 659964 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304460248 615537 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1304460253 739647 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh xD < 1304460272 757642 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /\\/*//*/\\\\/\ < 1304460297 735176 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tha'ts an accidentally self-modifying infloop < 1304460299 822505 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard :( < 1304460319 203949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : y u no work <-- it loops, you cannot substitute directly with something which contains the original string < 1304460359 189440 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to turn /asdf/jkl;/qwer into \/asdf\/jkl;\/qwer ? < 1304460386 477832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know if it could get _much_ simpler, although there might be a couple characters to shave off < 1304460423 604968 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: not if you mean replacing all / without looking at the context < 1304460433 223728 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1304460438 58576 :micahjohnston!~ec@174.129.205.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I gtg < 1304460501 208463 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a couple i wanted to check, in fact < 1304460532 105019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460533 505268 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460573 402138 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460574 891529 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<\>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>\><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460586 443111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a \ missing in the output < 1304460612 167757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: funny guy, but that's why i did the second one < 1304460617 977108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1304460627 936447 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was with the output of the previous one < 1304460715 404265 :cheater7!~ubuntu@ip-80-226-235-237.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1304460751 606297 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it two characters so you can put escapes in the middle and then copy it so it turns itno itself? <-- yep precisely, as you noticed you cannot substitute single chars without wiping them out from the program < 1304460853 916934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that got two chars shorter by removing an unnecessary escape. < 1304460907 295770 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1304460955 594045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460957 28330 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460968 157344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460969 576939 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<>/[\\\\]\\\\\\//P1/<>/<<>><>/[<>\<>\<>\<>\]<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>1<>/P<>2<>/<>/P<>0<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>]<>/<>\<>\<>/<>/P<>\<>\2<>/P<>1<>/<>/[<>\]<>/<<>\><>\<>\<>/P<>0//P0/P1//[]/\\//P\\2/P1//[\]/<\>\\/P0 < 1304460972 626001 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two more < 1304461049 850319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1304461051 519804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1304461065 911533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that boy sleeps too much. < 1304461109 124527 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mwant to stay up forevre :( < 1304461117 309951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1304461131 142963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.. < 1304461134 692558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1304461136 403046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.... < 1304461137 982232 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No..... < 1304461184 368561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please explain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHReqKRvonE < 1304461301 218334 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just go to bed but I really want to stay up and work < 1304461310 787071 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have notes to take < 1304461466 843564 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1304461532 348623 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no more quotes or escapes to shave off < 1304461551 436624 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah! < 1304461554 746979 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed that quine < 1304461563 805513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's qui amazi ne < 1304461569 114849 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLL < 1304461590 3006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304461591 653203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really about the same structure as the /\ only one, afair < 1304461607 901490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just much clearer, obviously < 1304461633 59672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1304461648 608573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25 oerjan> it's really about the same structure as the /\ only one, afair < 1304461648 796280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25 oerjan> just much clearer, obviously < 1304461753 109562 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention almost the same as a main loop) < 1304461922 480529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solmnbvcseruil < 1304462232 181382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, embedding the RTS in the compiler was dead easy < 1304462241 106704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1304462250 85801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur funy olsner < 1304462306 471105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was surprisingly easy to output constant strings :P < 1304462758 12268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mgjfjfjfjfjfjfjffjfjghfjewialzmxncbvghtyrujdm\ < 1304462764 51876 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1304463022 430813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þa < 1304463308 128483 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1304463309 353730 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did(n't) you stop beating your wife? < 1304464274 31014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:38 anyway, attack/defend/fool are the scissors/rock/paper of BF Joust, I think < 1304464274 258698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:50 although writing good defence programs is /hard/ < 1304464274 258923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:58 at least, as far as I could tell < 1304464274 259028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:29:04 and a good attack can normally break through them < 1304464319 635086 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just read logs when nobody is chatting? < 1304464354 693339 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you do with program that combine two or three of these features? < 1304464367 71832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: I read logs independently of that :P < 1304464377 201015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun and informative! < 1304464461 438615 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one do you read? < 1304464493 224613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: random, of course < 1304464501 646558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been half-considering reading every log in order, though :P < 1304464527 68316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read whatever log I am currently interested in, which depends on circumstances. < 1304464944 581734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24:18 which means that you can have aleph-one cooling power, but only aleph-zero noise < 1304465145 427000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, wrote about all my recent developments on Thue in mod_rewrite but forgot to write that it can now run hello world < 1304465152 273595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1304465160 902924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't even mention the 10% bug < 1304465176 774241 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 10% bug? < 1304465232 264993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: smilies have infected your code < 1304465240 140732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the interpreter almost printed hello world, but each character was wrong by ~10% - as in the ascii number of each output character was about 10% less than the expected one < 1304465258 855171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i still think that's the greatest bug of all time :) < 1304465264 473923 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: A king without a subject would be an anomaly. < 1304465270 542768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1304465304 750587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, people who privately pretend to be kings are anomalies? < 1304465314 239821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, define "king" < 1304465318 638880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'm being weird not < 1304465319 809646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1304465360 906031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying you were ever not weird < 1304465409 341507 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna say a king is a guy who ended up at the top of a feudal heirarchy. < 1304465422 20460 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I just did. < 1304465654 951037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait who are you < 1304465771 909864 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo ucan't say that < 1304465847 393232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls the TSA to perform a thorough immigration search on MDude  < 1304465881 700893 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1304465917 473033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall seeing MDude speak before < 1304465938 961551 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't say anything earlier. < 1304465960 894789 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Freenode is telling me this nickname is registered, so maybe some other MDude was here before? < 1304466026 450607 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1304466050 275592 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a risk < 1304466069 653932 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1304466086 833248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe MDude is the true inventor of Esme < 1304466090 22956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just throwing theories around here < 1304466096 771901 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered 3 weeks ago, are you sure you weren't the one doing it? < 1304466111 830942 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1304466133 568359 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registerd on the wiki, is there some automatic connection between the databases here? < 1304466138 442835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=EsoInterpreters&curid=2229&diff=22237&oldid=21408 is this appropriate? < 1304466141 7919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not < 1304466146 807262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it is < 1304466152 856861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoInterpreters seems primarily about the interpreter loops to me < 1304466154 422764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1304466159 169568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: oh did you edit the wiki? maybe that's what i recall < 1304466160 435573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a language can't implement the other languages there < 1304466160 925533 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone grabed up the name when they saw me on the wiki for whatever reason. < 1304466162 859378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be on the page < 1304466167 876156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'll always have a blank row or whatever < 1304466170 208327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1304466175 954958 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-234-85-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I edited the Mechanique page. < 1304466250 618282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. that's appropriate, should have been done ages ago < 1304466257 937679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you /sure/? < 1304466266 67018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It seems weird to have a language on there that cannot implement any of the others. < 1304466275 646454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like the rows should be identical to the columns. < 1304466292 435134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe "usable for programming" should be a requirement < 1304466314 368588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should have another table for unusable ones < 1304466319 212650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say TC, but Befunge-9three is on there < 1304466330 402116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except several of those there already have no i/o < 1304466338 460739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304466342 100663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of a mess of a page... < 1304466347 270854 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1304466429 183184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for one thing, it may encourage people to make more deadfish interpreters ;D < 1304466445 721783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're going to have to start inventing languages just to make more Deadfish interpreters < 1304466485 878488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, there's no implementation in C++ templates < 1304466488 387563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rectify that < 1304466495 587055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1304466501 707335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, they can use native integers < 1304466515 207720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so deadfish can't interpret anything but some stuff can interpret deadfish? < 1304466527 694259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: deadfish can't do shit :P < 1304466535 344053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything that can breathe can interpret Deadfish. < 1304466541 703340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds useless < 1304466545 825535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1304466550 312392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands: i for increment, d for decrement, s for square, o for output. < 1304466554 821901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just one number those all apply to < 1304466559 582319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the number's less than zero, it's set to zero < 1304466567 410923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's exactly two hundred and fifty six, it's set to zero < 1304466572 161242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not if it's /over/ that) < 1304466578 519870 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you compute with that?? < 1304466579 461324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((subtle point of the spec a lot of people miss)) < 1304466582 959394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Nothing X-D < 1304466588 479518 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thats dumb < 1304466595 68839 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a terrible wast eof a language < 1304466595 256398 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but it's fun because it gives other nearly but not completely useless esolangs something they can actually do < 1304466605 213402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: You just don't appreciate the power :P < 1304466615 337119 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :thre is no power! < 1304466637 554937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ALL the power. < 1304466652 669023 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is underrepresented though, I need more X'es in that row if I want to run it in my favourite thue environment < 1304466664 593204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wat? < 1304466668 766684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1304466696 80546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well there's http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Thutu and also one in slashes < 1304466716 18971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just want to give a big thanks to all contributers and to all those who have worked on Deadfish in any way possible. I didn't think Deadfish would make it even this far! Great job! I must move on now to bigger projects though... Use the esolang wiki as your up-to-date resource on Deadfish since it's doing a better job then my archive and plus it's better this way! :-) - JTS < 1304466746 816276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only two languages (claims that page) that have been implemented in thue, but I guess the page probably isn't fully updated either :) < 1304466753 284585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cracks knuckles < 1304466755 754772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to write some C++ templates. < 1304466759 904456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: basically we don't know how much of deadfish is truly intentional and how much is bugs in the original interpreter, but the game as i play it is to implement it as closely as reasonable, warts and all < 1304466775 243395 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: deadfish interpreter in templates? < 1304466777 202744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Technically it should be limited to, say, thirty-two bits :P < 1304466778 331724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yep. < 1304466782 722473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Since the C implementation is. < 1304466790 512066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the Python implementation isn't... < 1304466795 15640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, IMPLEMENTATION LIMITATIONS < 1304466797 410884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well C doesn't _specify_ < 1304466806 700173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True, but it can't be a bignum. < 1304466815 169526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the python implementation doesn't allow multiple commands per line either < 1304466815 799549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretty sure you can do arbitrary-precision stuff in templates regardless of the sizes of int and stuff < 1304466826 338788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is TC, after all < 1304466837 903730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can, but I'm going to use native integers for elegance and simplicity < 1304466855 249512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your scheme implementation handles eof, that's clearly not allowed ;D < 1304466864 495256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it handles it buggily, I think :) < 1304466867 911387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least overflow < 1304466875 236711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fixing it would make it more ugly, so meh < 1304466884 723879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i checked it today and it actually halts... < 1304466911 154026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone say two for me < 1304466911 452444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :th < 1304466912 460835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1304466917 950786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1304466921 844006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: two < 1304466929 570098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: >:( < 1304466934 319182 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is so helpful < 1304466947 128809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go to sleep while I'm my helpfullest < 1304466982 681516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304466985 822200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ints be templated? < 1304466990 55068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just structs and functions, right? < 1304466992 64410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus classes and shit < 1304467016 242236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1304467023 869021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to use peano numbers olsner < 1304467030 880215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it'd compute the value at runtime maybe?? < 1304467074 747139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've been thinking that if the esointerpreters page grows much more it needs to be split somewhat. perhaps even turned into a graph although that makes it hard to edit. < 1304467161 79421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++-4.5 -Os -Wall -Wextra -std=gnu++0x deadfish.c++ -o deadfish < 1304467161 267198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:9:44: error: ‘::value’ has not been declared < 1304467161 267367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++: In instantiation of ‘const int I::Result<0>::value’: < 1304467161 267474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:14:37: instantiated from here < 1304467161 267577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:9:46: error: dependent-name ‘R:: Result’ is parsed as a non-type, but instantiation yields a type < 1304467162 260115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish.c++:9:46: note: say ‘typename R:: Result’ if a type is meant < 1304467164 701638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, C++ < 1304467166 799412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such a bore