< 1301616118 207652 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.109.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301616187 727623 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's the scariest freenode /notice I've ever seen :P < 1301616235 609547 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. well it _is_ on freenode's own blog... < 1301616278 491544 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention one other obvious fact) < 1301616296 430818 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1301616297 353989 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even managed to load the damned blog page yet. < 1301616310 870726 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost assuredly an April fool's day prank. < 1301616322 92116 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was talking about the hearts :P < 1301616326 717858 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a network to love me that much :P < 1301616332 790753 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since everyone else got it at the same time... < 1301616371 174862 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the blog that's slow or my connection? < 1301616381 200406 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't load for me either < 1301616397 942357 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.109.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301616413 122796 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, everyone on freenode obviously got the notice near simultaneously < 1301616429 205027 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's currently 0:06 UTC) < 1301616441 492008 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1301616531 382832 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION officially declares antialiasing to be evil http://www.darthsanddroids.net/heists/0050.html
< 1301616678 7552 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that is probably one of the most meta comics, ever < 1301616781 973671 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they've forgotten the favicon this time < 1301616919 162793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION huggles nyud.net
< 1301616939 24340 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh you fiend < 1301617025 402631 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301617048 834543 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck does neither nyud.net nor www.nyud.net work < 1301617089 862798 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because you don't support the libc.so fund :P < 1301617107 165917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.freenode.net.nyud.net/2011/04/important-service-announcement-regarding-defocus/ worked for me < 1301617108 72823 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301617143 348173 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes but that's rather useless for someone who wants to visit the nyud.net homepage to find out exactly what their redirection syntax _was_ again < 1301617179 168590 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bastard nerds and your photographic command syntax memory < 1301617222 239424 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wasn't precisely fast either... < 1301618712 399858 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1301618753 310750 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301618922 673972 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301619380 733587 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301620131 516180 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301621565 695764 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- most obnoxious nick ever? < 1301622038 567001 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: nope < 1301622047 34124 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301622047 409643 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(-------------------------" is < 1301622055 722674 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid nick < 1301622064 343166 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: not this network. I have seen this before < 1301622070 499441 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P < 1301622075 550061 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it could certainly be valid elsewhere. < 1301622101 516258 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: nearly as bad: "TheLongestNamePossibleOnThisServer" < 1301622109 604352 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1301622303 578703 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1301622845 602664 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301622845 780524 :glogbot!~glogbot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301623191 588786 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301624896 102534 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301625271 60132 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301627681 656113 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301628012 733149 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301628555 975025 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301629000 261724 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301629455 811155 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301630095 3412 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301630705 435673 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301632873 902068 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301633926 831786 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301633943 633861 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301633951 162148 :radicalpumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :copumpkin < 1301633965 818912 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1301633965 983614 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301635255 811797 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301635637 690944 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301636603 44952 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301637028 673224 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301637070 531238 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301637528 849574 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301638265 813569 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301640213 473294 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html < 1301640347 133159 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's that day again. < 1301640365 607011 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glorious friday! < 1301640424 540904 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see reddit's r/circlejerk took some inspiration from r/trees < 1301640743 667316 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301641664 878252 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :  < 1301642102 812021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for the type of symmetry "the distance from a fixed center point to the boundary of the shape is the same in both direction x and -x for all choices of vector x"? < 1301642211 12177 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radial < 1301642591 56210 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, radial is stronger < 1301642614 11415 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 180 degree rotational symmetry, don't recall if it has a shorter name < 1301642620 167316 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*degrees < 1301642670 608992 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is radial stronger? < 1301642705 425452 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :radial is rotation by any angle, or at least a smaller one... < 1301642730 489643 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_%28physical_attractiveness%29 < 1301642742 743936 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right and the angle depends on the type of symmetry < 1301642747 653880 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the number of rays < 1301642750 695555 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, 2 rays < 1301642800 654277 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-fold rotational symmetry, says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotational_symmetry < 1301642875 91693 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think radial symmetry just isn't a mathematical term < 1301642899 382074 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_symmetry lists 5-fold rotational symmetry as a type of radial symmetry. < 1301642907 970095 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seemed to be more biological < 1301642959 44653 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did sort of assume that "radial symmetry" would mean "depends only on distance", purely based on the name, but I guess it's not a real thing. < 1301643058 420202 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly a real thing < 1301643071 647247 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's circular or spherical < 1301643552 972576 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301643690 817728 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers < 1301643829 146280 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301644341 716390 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301644393 846151 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301644478 192615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wild guess: because it's wrong? < 1301644550 50395 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very plausible guess. but incorrect. < 1301644805 978983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the poster just failed to encode it in the format expected by the compilers < 1301644848 898039 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think elliott must be right about those swedes. < 1301645000 676695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the second answer, though it was slightly botched by trying to talk about "text files" < 1301646189 672785 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO/IEC 14882:1998(E), 2.1p1 subclause 1: "Physical source file characters are mapped, in an implementation-defined manner, to the basic source character set --"; if he's read the standard twice in its entirety already, I would expect him to have noticed this part and realize you can't really expect to be able to write a program based on the standard alone, without considering the implementation. < 1301646454 110857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring, haven't seen any likely april fool hoaxes yet < 1301646810 535791 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our staff@ mailing list got this: "Please find the Springer marketing campaign below. It seems you can get a 30% Springer author discount from registration fees at selected conferences with LNCS proceedings, but more importantly, you may get a conference review waiver coupon, which enables you to bypass the peer review process in some selected conferences and get an article published directly. This is a nice offer especially for students. See details below." < 1301647078 400291 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301647082 153225 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review < 1301647083 339247 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301647084 985571 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review < 1301647086 336465 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301647097 569618 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review < 1301647098 493129 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301647112 192411 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no peer review < 1301647112 911194 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301647455 477544 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301647531 361734 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Context: april fool hoaxes. < 1301647662 667389 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1301648154 999032 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' oh, "dleep" was a typo for "sleep"' not a typo < 1301648180 308987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure that's relevant < 1301648462 767273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a nice offer especially for students." :D < 1301648486 537986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god i didn't go to work today, i had no idea it's april already < 1301649211 414057 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math society at UW just adopted a new set of bylaws yesterday. I sent an email out to the mailing list at about 1:30 saying that the version I'd published earlier was wrong and due to some procedural technicalities, we had to adopt this alternate version. it's a work of comedy < 1301650454 785819 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNSSEC going nowhere again: .com is now DNSSEC-signed. :-) < 1301650547 582188 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody got the freenode prize yet? < 1301650619 247439 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301650912 156542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT : < 1301651022 139969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301651044 376208 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301651111 661273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301653899 213078 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Do you happen to know how much breaks if you turn DNSSEC validation on? (I mean in the usual way where "insecure" zones are allowed, but if a zone has a DS in the parent then it will need to be properly working all the way down.) < 1301654072 370969 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't hit that a wide variety of sites, but it seems that very little breaks. < 1301654123 822014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Well, I guess that might be either because everyone's doing DNSSEC right, or because no-one's doing DNSSEC at all. < 1301654196 508638 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not many are doing DNSSEC, but virtually all that are are doing it right. < 1301654658 862190 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 TLDs have TAs in the root zone (zone serial appears to be 2011040100). < 1301655711 514892 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fi root has been DNSSEC-signed since late 2010, but if I understood correctly it should now be possible to do DS "delegations" to actual zones too. (At least this newspost says after "31.3.") < 1301656502 228791 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136177.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301656554 314059 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060000.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301657321 40214 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301657539 103554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301657674 797437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301657680 927153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MOTD: so gay. < 1301657978 348680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not entirely convinced it's even possible to do an April Fool's joke on Esolang < 1301657983 283017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't look any different from the rest of the site < 1301658020 421168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:54:38: wild guess: because it's wrong? < 1301658020 585791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:55:50: a very plausible guess. but incorrect. < 1301658020 750534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:00:05: right, the poster just failed to encode it in the format expected by the compilers < 1301658020 750704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:00:48: ...i think elliott must be right about those swedes. < 1301658025 116767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i concur in this case! < 1301658040 908671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is elliott's idea about swedes? < 1301658050 765063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they're all weird and crazy and should be avoided < 1301658055 783556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a bad way) < 1301658064 924195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turn esolang into a site about tongues in which magick spelles are cast'e < 1301658069 421166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages! < 1301658079 700738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i can think of :) < 1301658089 997723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i take it you are also r/trees inspired? < 1301658090 163439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Velato/‎; 05:01 . . (+169) . . 195.211.160.6 (Talk) (Unusually not mephitic forum!!!! Epilogue to bookmarks. To a countless extent wares resource. Greatly much admins) < 1301658102 937730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm logreading :D < 1301658133 319517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301658139 104445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i was referring to your AF suggestion for here < 1301658148 798049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the wiki, i guess < 1301658152 999675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's where i saw you mentioning the /r/circlejerk//r/trees thing < 1301658160 107372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, that's a slash separating two /r/ paths, problem?) < 1301658190 556468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PROBLEM < 1301658232 523441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/QlGpd.gif <-- this wins forever < 1301658239 79141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the stackoverflow question) < 1301658241 717917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1301658326 103855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you might like ^ < 1301658341 56306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an expert in abusing ms paint for computational purposes >:D < 1301658390 351848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that making? a piet program or something? < 1301658395 951909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: keep watching < 1301658403 428706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (or refresh if it gets cut off) < 1301658416 204498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so damn slow on my computer < 1301658420 790951 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130235.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301658426 3106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: download it then watch < 1301658435 311988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(file -> save as :P) < 1301658495 356235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take it that wasn't you doing that, given that you'd be unlikely to be using Windows Vista or 7 < 1301658501 436356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although that's not completely implausible0 < 1301658501 601615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mailman mailing list reminder's day yesterday! < 1301658505 340692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/)/ < 1301658511 304902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, it's from the stack overflow question that you may or may not have seen < 1301658526 168221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers < 1301658529 195736 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136177.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301658563 965473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think of a sufficiently funny question to join #r.trees and say
< 1301658565 85965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did it have a BOM? < 1301658568 532484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing from the URL < 1301658579 375443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's an image of a program < 1301658588 514898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hand-crafted drawing! < 1301658608 133782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the typography isn't as good as in the standard document, but C++ compilers can hardly expect such anal calligraphy! < 1301658617 134571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This marks the first time the phrase "anal calligraphy" has ever been uttered.) < 1301658684 487787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so did esr insist on making the new C-INTERCAL release himself? :P < 1301658750 278239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301658756 832786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it myself, a little later < 1301658766 556273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last time I chose to program in Python, because I love the language. But I used some Windows-specific libraries and some people were frustrated they could not see the program run on their machine. So this time I'm going to use Java. It's arguably less expressive than Python, but I know that the GUI and window interface is quite portable" < 1301658774 741193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, not april fools < 1301658790 225684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly java.awt.Robot probably doesn't have a portable Python analogue) < 1301658940 834577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (This marks the first time the phrase "anal calligraphy" has ever been uttered.) <-- about 103 hits, says google < 1301658958 854577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, googling "anal calligraphy" since 2011 < 1301658965 765752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR EVEN EARLIER ??? < 1301658981 329313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buy a handmade custom "Anal" calligraphy wall scroll here!" < 1301658999 371256 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _think_ i've done it before. < 1301659020 782223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that phrase has at least two possible meanings, i note < 1301659037 123765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RALLY < 1301659060 640855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a reddit spore, i feel so inferior < 1301659067 138143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1301659068 102715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mold. < 1301659088 747052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get to type annoyingly :( < 1301659093 114994 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor elliott, all jealous of I_RAPE_CATS < 1301659124 390112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for someone who has never been on reddit to read this log
< 1301659158 323043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this surely was not the best time for him to have to defend his actions... < 1301659179 149438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen his userpage? < 1301659182 204258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/I_RAPE_CATS < 1301659186 92926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~9873493. A£|F"$F < 1301659227 340981 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a few hours < 1301659241 563703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see he got online < 1301659263 99461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, meaningless cloaks < 1301659272 481904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THERE IS A PRIZE. IT’S WORTH IT. HINT: MOTD." < 1301659279 391774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do we send answers? < 1301659282 731961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301659287 473157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301659295 959202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VmlldyBwYWdlIHNvdXJjZSwgeW91bmcgZ3Jhc3Nob3BwZXIu" < 1301659298 771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1301659299 298816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :base36? < 1301659300 121957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the april fool that there actually _is_ a prize? < 1301659316 88132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: base64 < 1301659322 195384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1301659334 244238 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't tell what the next stage was about though, so I left it at that < 1301659363 5747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :view page source < 1301659384 470431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i helping you fuckers, i want @unicorn/ or whatever < 1301659408 75617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blog post won't load now :) < 1301659417 15656 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paste it for you < 1301659423 982596 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does I_RAPE_CATS manage to get _less_ mold? he had 53 before and someone claimed to have seen 54 < 1301659434 221519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure (assuming it's the new one), thanks < 1301659444 45254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they wear off? < 1301659450 994834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or maybe you can spend KARMA to get rid of them :-D < 1301659454 770485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301659455 866919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/HMGb < 1301659462 988322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The relevant bit) < 1301659473 95167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming they last for today... < 1301659478 535743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a trivial cipher < 1301659483 778578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un = An, probably < 1301659491 876579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH this is close to my laziness limit < 1301659497 33185 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It crossed mine < 1301659508 796954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started past mine < 1301659509 884988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask what the prize cloak is in #freenode :-D < 1301659680 214677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are throttling blog on purpose < 1301659680 416532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : to get attention < 1301659689 911511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish this guy would shut up so my important question would get answered < 1301659869 963270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and all of us say something < 1301659870 128147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for aprill fools joke < 1301659870 128300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but we act serious < 1301659870 128405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : but something bad hmm < 1301659870 128509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeh good to see this is a great help channel < 1301659870 571952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i will say something and you ay yes i have heard < 1301659872 550902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and act serious < 1301659874 580974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : haha :D < 1301659876 634835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what im doing here with kids omg < 1301660288 983405 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301660484 118420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fanny scratching in 18th-century London's Cock Lane was so notorious that interested bystanders often blocked the street. It became the focus of a religious controversy between Methodists and orthodox Anglicans, and was reported on by celebrities of the period such as Samuel Johnson." < 1301660487 866574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(--wp fa) < 1301660495 619453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301660562 426714 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate notpr0n... < 1301660609 890988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:52:00: I'm continuing to bother #esoteric because ZERO people from this channel have helped me out here :P < 1301660625 469710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's plausible APT Guy actually would have paid for an address. < 1301660693 179302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD have? < 1301660705 782160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the auction was over. < 1301660736 401017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO over < 1301660751 568632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:56:27 Well that's the scariest freenode /notice I've ever seen :P < 1301660753 66157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it? < 1301660758 446593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See raw log. < 1301660780 396896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the BritClique so thoroughly dominates WP now that all the April Fool's humor on the front page are nothing but references to UK culture? I'm guessing the argument is "Well this is the english language wikipedia, I'm sure the german language WP has German references, etc. etc..." Sorry to inform you, but other people speak english too. As if it wasn't obvious. Jersey John (talk) 06:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC) < 1301660784 94309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS A PONSCIRAPICY < 1301660805 521787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On another note, I'm quickly growing tired of the undue snarkiness and senseless arrogance of the Brit Clique, as I call them, here on Wiki... It's no wonder a bunch morons a few years back went and made Conservapedia. Not that I like that place either. Plus I'm banned from it... lol..." --[[User:Jros83]] < 1301660830 786123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't find that notice in the raw log for today or yesterday... < 1301660838 238687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try hardesr. < 1301660839 920622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*harder. < 1301660864 696081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1301660869 858585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of horrific person gave wil wheaton 19 molds. WAS IT YOU? < 1301660881 830782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better than the toilet paper thing < 1301660890 439879 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't have a reddit account < 1301660901 680771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1301660907 777419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's what you _would_ say isn't it. < 1301660920 672056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember when the page about toilet paper orientation was discussed in #esoteric < 1301660926 306113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it might make a good april fool's FA < 1301660931 823670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1301660951 121660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, i've figured out a good esolang AF < 1301660953 342957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Velato/‎; 05:01 . . (+169) . . 195.211.160.6 (Talk) (Unusually not mephitic forum!!!! Epilogue to bookmarks. To a countless extent wares resource. Greatly much admins) < 1301660954 824250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave this here! < 1301660958 735448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam never gets left! < 1301660965 370850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a good AF at all < 1301660972 150506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S HILARIOUS < 1301661009 503930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, did I_RAPE_CATS actually manipulate that stupid video thing? < 1301661021 595989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION moves [[Fugue Compiler]]. As an April FOol's or something
< 1301661043 2815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well at a minimum it appears he didn't choose it randomly as he was supposed to < 1301661043 840867 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1301661049 996390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: YOU LOST HA H < 1301661050 377181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1301661054 624633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOULDA BID HIGHER < 1301661058 717763 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not over, but it's lookin' that way. < 1301661071 187057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1301661076 951740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Put more money into it < 1301661085 49980 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will, 24 hours before the end. < 1301661098 423607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE _EXPECTING_ YOU TO DO < 1301661102 127862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does this damn auction *last*? < 1301661113 59287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only been on for a couple of days :P < 1301661134 113272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it at now? < 1301661144 185874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I insist on parsing your nick as libc \x2 Eso < 1301661174 338603 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$575 :( < 1301661186 266860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous < 1301661189 950834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=helvetica < 1301661210 439027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT FUNNY GOOGLE < 1301661212 842733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT FUNNY IN THE SLIGHTEST < 1301661325 543429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on if you google "Helvetica"? < 1301661354 990096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes to Comic Sans. < 1301661355 750124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: open in your unrestricted browser < 1301661361 674111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU: SUCK < 1301661387 384065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I nearly made an accidental April fool today. < 1301661399 834800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU SPOILED IT < 1301661405 908136 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301661451 477729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs autojump
< 1301661457 71603 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's ridiculous // OK, seriously, are you the poorest man alive? X-D < 1301661474 532820 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah comic sans gives the same < 1301661483 745525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: 500 is a very big number < 1301661485 693190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not arial < 1301661486 401420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to even visualise < 1301661499 429288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 is trivial to visualise :P < 1301661514 996204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :£500 would be overpriced for a new computer nowadays < 1301661520 53091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with dollars it's more reasonable < 1301661523 412620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libc\x2Eso is a privileged douchebag for thinking balking at spending half a thousand dollars on a domain name makes you the poorest man alive :P < 1301661551 715262 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2/3rds of a plane ticket, somewhat less than one month's rent, considerably less than the sum of one month's bills. < 1301661563 708838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for you. < 1301661581 988103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I consider plane travel so expensive that people who require it are insnae < 1301661583 494020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insane < 1301661590 812030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people who reimburse plane travel costs more so < 1301661674 582503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301661690 596045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301661712 440213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god Gregor's being an idiot about money again isn't he. < 1301661739 693170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, come to think of it, what *did* you do with that money you got from the bit of Wolfram's ego you heroically chipped off. < 1301661752 272428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bought a laptop, and put the rest in the bank < 1301661752 833561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find a source download of the bitcoin client
< 1301661760 370067 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://p.zem.fi/d98k < 1301661778 711927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lived off it for a few years < 1301661797 279393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a laptop would barely *dent* the prize money you got. < 1301661823 123062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What. < 1301661827 44376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :400 out of 12000 is about 1/30 < 1301661829 970666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than just a dent < 1301661900 340537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it isn't. < 1301661914 923436 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My lovely horse, you're a pony no more" // Pony: Not a name for horse babies :P < 1301661959 41491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, you've presumably never seen Father Ted, being an American and all. < 1301661973 14303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: i cry foal! < 1301661996 901643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 30 dents don't normally completely destroy something < 1301662030 169951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, also, what is your *job*? < 1301662049 767476 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm a grad student. In the summers I usually intern here and there. < 1301662050 56147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a grad student, I thought they had, like, negative money. < 1301662074 605019 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a grad student with fiscal responsibility, I have plenty of money. And yes, occasionally buying something nice for myself still factors into fiscal responsibility. < 1301662105 991595 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't own a Wii, a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (or any of them for that matter), the price some grad students pay to own all three easily covers libc.so right there :P < 1301662110 519043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Fiscal responsibility makes you rich. Nothing else. < 1301662122 350878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that Tom Scott is a student of some description and quite a bit younger than Gregor, and he had £500 to blow on something even stupider.
< 1301662147 549511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1301662156 707344 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not rich, but fiscal responsibility keeps you well in the black when feasible. < 1301662165 559729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say you were rich. < 1301662178 11547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But purely being fiscally responsible is not nearly enough to be able to throw $500 for a novelty domain. < 1301662195 255777 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes it is. < 1301662204 478488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not. < 1301662205 642348 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301662231 918372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fairness, you are not really the one who I would trust to have the clearest grip on finance. < 1301662250 703544 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, then I just fall into money. It rains from the sky because the Money Gods love me. < 1301662301 89179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Money Gods/parents/ and you have a plausible hypothesis... < 1301662304 609607 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1301662306 991682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I'll say on the matter. < 1301662308 714399 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents have no freaking money. < 1301662311 316547 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loan money to my parents. < 1301662358 825805 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it was there money, I sure as hell wouldn't be using it for libc.so :P < 1301662362 476369 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *their < 1301662367 734024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tomscott.com/stabbed/ < 1301662374 929238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 4/5. < 1301662439 571067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is impossible. < 1301662478 211619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming you've been stabbed 5 times. < 1301662481 844764 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And regarding the previous, also http://p.zem.fi/xcxp < 1301662516 90567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I've gone at least two years without hearing yet another tedious Weebl & Bob reference. < 1301662522 753636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, fizzie, you broke my streka. < 1301662525 159412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my streak. < 1301662929 341979 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : libc\x2Eso: i cry foal! <-- sadly I was away when you said this, however had I been there, a pun about the current day would have been in order (hamming distance of 1 after all...) < 1301662977 131588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, so did you get the domain? Or is it still up for auction? < 1301663006 411131 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf < 1301663025 389186 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How do you manage to consistently be weeks out of date :P < 1301663067 474345 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's been up for auction for weeks, the auction started on Sunday. Now it's at $575 and a chat room full of people who've never actually had a job or lived away from home are telling me it's not worth it. < 1301663156 854982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: because it isn't worth it < 1301663199 730353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said it wasn't worth it, what i said was something else entirely < 1301663202 173964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, yes, ais has never lived away from home or had a job. < 1301663212 303280 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1301663228 218665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a job at the moment < 1301663231 922556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1301663266 541520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, that was sarcasm to show how stupid Gregor's statement was. < 1301663333 894958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29^%281%2F3%29 < 1301663337 57637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL MATHEMATICA < 1301663397 529187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out where bitcoin fits in the gnome hierarchy
< 1301663406 927102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess wherever other financial programs go, but I don't know where that is < 1301663449 169490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are financial programs? < 1301663512 440569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnucash? < 1301663629 831320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to generate coins
< 1301664031 467973 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301665407 173060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you want a nice mold? < 1301665422 363676 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what awesomeness can I do with libdl.so? :( < 1301665425 841068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1301665430 780526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reddit < 1301665575 210110 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301666458 145281 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301666458 983183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301666577 118099 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301666608 659343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you lost the auction, or you're going to lose it? < 1301666651 345068 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The auction hasn't ended and I'm not up to my max, but I project an extremely low chance of winning. < 1301666664 448604 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301667263 729308 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301667403 934876 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-162.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301667489 789485 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301667587 467806 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301667980 575037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr is definitely male, right? < 1301667991 490070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my Facebook account seems to be haemorrhaging its backlog of unaccepted friend requests. < 1301667997 975383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I'm /that/ crazy about pronouns < 1301668023 419069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/crazy/obnoxious/ < 1301668095 643339 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/obnoxious/pastiche/ < 1301668116 9092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an adjective, is it? < 1301668135 168701 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeesh, Phantom_Hoover is SO pastiche. < 1301668144 782080 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because he's locked in his matrix of solidity. < 1301668160 267393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary agrees. < 1301668237 366595 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1301668238 994688 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pastiche. < 1301668260 987120 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301668565 545195 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301668666 485664 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301669571 129154 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, esr is female < 1301669592 331467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: too late, I already referred to her with a male pronoun! < 1301669620 290255 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page < 1301669621 904480 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eric, short for Erica. < 1301669627 736825 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nobody can look at the recent changes any more < 1301669633 276908 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, comments on a postcard^W/msg only < 1301669933 724911 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301670227 426223 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.240.103 NICK :elliott < 1301670231 30125 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Changing host < 1301670231 195657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301670241 209350 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301670937 457525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to sandbox Chrome tabs? < 1301671289 924580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder if the urban dictionary redesign to look similar to wikipedia is special for today... < 1301671304 501841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it been this for long < 1301671453 886958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xkcd 3D trick with javascript looks quite cool < 1301671471 39790 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like APNIC is nicely down today. Waiting for the graph to update... :-) < 1301671572 615355 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway: 128k+64k to Japan, 4M(!!!) to China, 8k+4k to South Korea. < 1301671618 989224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare last two answers. < 1301671697 128593 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preliminary calculation gives down 0.27. < 1301671842 152095 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. 25% of the address space gone in a single day. < 1301671941 666201 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301671952 773317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just converted a video to a sequence of PNG files representing individual frames, tar/gzipped it (deduplicating repeated frames), uuencoded, and posted it on sprunge < 1301671955 734759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something wrong with me? < 1301671992 859608 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preliminary figures would mean down 0.83(!) in a single week. < 1301672001 570740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301672005 257384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's /hope/ it's April Fool's < 1301672039 882345 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this extended delegated file is dated 2nd April... < 1301672047 350564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301672051 775775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is April 2 somewhere < 1301672197 822938 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301672340 147180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5984 is quite awesome (rfc from today) < 1301672764 281756 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, APNIC page has pie graph updated (0.78 left indeed) but bar graph hasn't. < 1301673130 360780 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the bar graph also updated. Indeed, down 0.27. < 1301673299 821180 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logaritmic space available: /8.353 < 1301673357 715610 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/graphical-information ... That shows 1.78, but that doesn't take the final 1.00 into account. < 1301673395 13527 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so what is the prediction date now? < 1301673398 529356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few days? weeks? < 1301673480 632001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301673529 413679 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict Tuesday 12th April. < 1301673592 654877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301673705 178519 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this model would estimate about 768 addresses left on Monday 11th. Of course, this process is discrete to the max. < 1301673950 267306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[There's also a couple of other reasons a perfect AI doesn't exist, not least the NP-completeness of the problem.]] < 1301673950 432876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :— TV Tropes < 1301673950 433055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not well-versed in complexity theory, but that sounds stupidly wrong. < 1301673978 26343 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301673994 265196 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we verify that "perfect AI" is correct in polynomial time? < 1301674027 399564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the context is Minesweeper. < 1301674051 902970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-completeness might imply that a perfect AI would take impractically long to run < 1301674065 466137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has no bearing on perfectness. < 1301674082 334043 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imply that "exist" here doesn't refer to theoretical existence, but actual existence. < 1301674096 106487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? the whole point of the NP-completeness proof in Minesweeper is that it's NP-complete for finding if a solution exists < 1301674110 982065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that you can't find a solution, in general, in polynomial time, as that would imply that a solution did exist < 1301674137 472288 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but you still /can/, it'll just take forever, making it not worth the effort. < 1301674160 717075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, I read the line as meaning that nobody had written a perfect AI < 1301674292 259837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, noöne *has*, but that's nothing to do with NP-completeness, and more to do with Minesweeper being random. < 1301674311 170944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with the nothing there < 1301674328 496992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely that a NetHack program will become a restricted-tape Turing machine by chance < 1301674334 256090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, Minesweeper game < 1301674340 982752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible, and if it fails on that, it isn't perfect < 1301674358 216533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...perfect means polynomial now? < 1301674392 561720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, but exponential means unlikely to run in a reasonable time < 1301674395 518672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there'd be no way to test it < 1301674407 796564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still allows the existence of a perfect AI. < 1301674445 16476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: even if it allows the /existence/, if it makes it impractical, it explains why it hasn't been written < 1301674468 54087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the article said it was *impossible* because of that. < 1301674511 128127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it says "doesn't exist", that's different from "cannot exist" < 1301674529 657662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, right enough. < 1301674530 943264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is impractical explaining that X doesn't exist is an entirely valid argument < 1301675361 976086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301675395 460625 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301675395 893886 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301675396 59047 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301675549 537521 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301676630 706621 :cheater00!~cheater@g229031073.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301676714 709138 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130235.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301677211 471687 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301677378 275261 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301677509 603620 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301677575 608669 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301677652 417238 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301677856 897553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.johnmwillis.com/other/top-10-worst-captchas/ < 1301677860 989885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe comment 12. < 1301678375 602968 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301678376 8195 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301678376 174051 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301678452 615452 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301678587 691053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the calculus question using partial derivatives? Does that make any difference in the answer/ < 1301678668 576886 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... did I just reveal that I understand math a little better than some commentor? < 1301678703 640081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess what e's saying makes sense if you haven't seen the notation before < 1301678711 877258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: with one variable, it doesn't matter whether you use partial or normal derivatives < 1301678722 622879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some fields, like engineering, they typically use partials for whatever reason in that case < 1301678746 355233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 'coz engineers r dum. < 1301678761 771051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has anyone here tried to run GNU Hurd yet? < 1301678769 241326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I believe the release announcement < 1301678866 598125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, with 2 variables, does .. it just become incorrect to use normal derivative notation? < 1301678878 835754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it means something else < 1301678881 780836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember the details < 1301678946 839843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, WP has the answers as usual, although I've forgotten them since I looked them up. < 1301678955 756994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDEs are boring anyway. < 1301678981 99069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the multivariable calculus I'm doing with the OCW thing will be more than Partial Derivatives, right? < 1301678991 176371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1301678991 897000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly never took higher level diffeq and i'm fine! < 1301679008 794277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never bothered to look into multivariable calculus. < 1301679716 425549 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301679802 505210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is March 32 today, isn't it? < 1301679807 776120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301679822 868293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sep 6422, if you prefer to count that way < 1301679976 119310 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it is April 1 today, but actually it is March 32. April 1 has been cancelled. < 1301680224 207706 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129094.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301680226 392881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, we have the thinkgeek3d sweepstakes (completely real!) to make up for it < 1301680260 46270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOTD now has ASCII art. It also has the message "VmlldyBwYWdlIHNvdXJjZSwgeW91bmcgZ3Jhc3Nob3BwZXIu" < 1301680270 810065 :cheater00!~cheater@g229031073.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301680280 407909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :decode it < 1301680282 282112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the prize < 1301680283 249657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gogogo < 1301680337 909312 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did decode it < 1301680392 769763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1301680395 363249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the prize < 1301680455 159940 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to do with it, once it is decoded < 1301680514 878524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: join #defocus and say !join, and there's a CAPTCHAbot that gives some sort of quiz < 1301680557 711692 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301680558 78953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought it was just a mafia game < 1301680576 959774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps < 1301680707 352748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301680840 977569 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : JIIbH01UGxIvZ1cAGGOjp1xjLmExI0y6H1uJJx0lBGWnFTf1IyMjI2SVIzuJZQIiJGVkHzEJo3yvERR9 < 1301681338 454542 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MOTD message is referring to the blog page's source code. < 1301681360 248198 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one at http://blog.freenode.net/2011/04/important-service-announcement-regarding-defocus/ < 1301681387 110155 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I pasted the decoded versions of two of the three things that are in that page's source. < 1301681453 694940 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/xcxp and http://p.zem.fi/d98k -- feel free to go on and solve the Cat Enigma. < 1301681486 434459 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would sort-of guess that they'd have gotten the ten solutions already. (Though come to think of it I haven't seen any more global notices.) < 1301681586 667037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301681661 70720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301681661 813326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1301681661 978844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301681789 273239 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC burned through 2.678 during last 30 days??? < 1301682252 482733 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To paraphrase popular phrase: Allocate baby allocate. :-) < 1301682635 646964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add feature to TeXnicard so that it can work without external programs (but keeping the way using external program, too), by adding some commands for image manipulation and for typesetting using some algorithms of TeX. However I do not want to include any external libraries other than the one I can include with source-codes and compiling together with TeXnicard, and without floating point. < 1301682684 735498 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to tell git that a file has been renamed? < 1301682775 168113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: git mv a < 1301682776 509718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: git mv a b < 1301682855 444212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently I need a newer yasm < 1301682897 596392 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301683266 427282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What does it mean if a GPU computation program has an option to "use vectors"? < 1301683417 73519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my guess is it means vectorised operations, like the SIMD instructions in recent x86-compatible processors < 1301683426 742015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be CPU not GPU < 1301683430 975583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OpenCL < 1301683435 83789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301683442 529290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think OpenCL can do both, but this is explicitly a GPU program < 1301683443 792663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it's a weird name for something else I've never heard of < 1301683465 868845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's ideal on some AMD cards at least < 1301683469 595407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no word about nvidia < 1301683483 892356 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301683501 556341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be a reference to memory coalescing < 1301683520 482580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef VECTORS < 1301683520 645729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef uint2 u; < 1301683520 811837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else < 1301683520 812007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef uint u; < 1301683520 812114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1301683525 320591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way that you can request a block of memory and it's as fast as requesting a single byte, because it's typelineable < 1301683529 908977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef VECTORS < 1301683530 152308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nonce = base + get_global_id(0) + (uint2)(0, 0x80000000U); < 1301683530 315794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else < 1301683530 315969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nonce = base + get_global_id(0); < 1301683530 316079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1301683534 585997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it is < 1301683545 11498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's forcing the two units next to each other in memory < 1301683553 371222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that almost universally a good thing, or does it depend on the card? < 1301683556 169095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can be coalesced < 1301683586 454959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to be using two ints anyway, together, it makes sense to vectorise them < 1301683590 719860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're used separately a lot, it doesn't < 1301683615 796394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all cards react much the same way on that < 1301683636 78329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is too insane for me to naalyze like that < 1301683641 679507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : B = B + (rotr(G, 6) ^ rotr(G, 11) ^ rotr(G, 25)) + (A ^ (G & (H ^ A))) + K[54] + W6; F = F + B; B = B + (rotr(C, 2) ^ rotr(C, 13) ^ rotr(C, 22)) + ((C & D) | (E & (C | D))); < 1301683641 845453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : W7 = W7 + (rotr(W8, 7) ^ rotr(W8, 18) ^ (W8 >> 3U)) + W0 + (rotr(W5, 17) ^ rotr(W5, 19) ^ (W5 >> 10U)); < 1301683642 390274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : A = A + (rotr(F, 6) ^ rotr(F, 11) ^ rotr(F, 25)) + (H ^ (F & (G ^ H))) + K[55] + W7; E = E + A; A = A + (rotr(B, 2) ^ rotr(B, 13) ^ rotr(B, 22)) + ((B & C) | (D & (B | C))); < 1301683642 390479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : W8 = W8 + (rotr(W9, 7) ^ rotr(W9, 18) ^ (W9 >> 3U)) + W1 + (rotr(W6, 17) ^ rotr(W6, 19) ^ (W6 >> 10U)); < 1301683644 181210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : H = H + (rotr(E, 6) ^ rotr(E, 11) ^ rotr(E, 25)) + (G ^ (E & (F ^ G))) + K[56] + W8; D = D + H; H = H + (rotr(A, 2) ^ rotr(A, 13) ^ rotr(A, 22)) + ((A & B) | (C & (A | B))); < 1301683647 176714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analyze < 1301683649 468308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analyse :-P < 1301683678 740946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow @ the resulting assembly file < 1301683859 434854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You sound terrified :-P < 1301683872 88970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise I sounded anything < 1301683878 383843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that sort of thing looks almost normal < 1301683882 643032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it those are thread-local variables? < 1301683897 151881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function local, the function is __kernel < 1301683904 590281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kernel void search( const uint state0, const uint state1, const uint state2, const uint state3, < 1301683904 754663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint state4, const uint state5, const uint state6, const uint state7, < 1301683904 754851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint B1, const uint C1, const uint D1, < 1301683904 754958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint F1, const uint G1, const uint H1, < 1301683904 755066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint targetG, const uint targetH, < 1301683905 178238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, thread-local < 1301683905 558584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint base, < 1301683907 555532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const uint fW0, const uint fW1, const uint fW2, const uint fW3, const uint fW15, const uint fW01r, const uint fcty_e, const uint fcty_e2, < 1301683910 704832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : __global uint * output) < 1301683912 604250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an impressive signature < 1301683921 279787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have some sort of indicator if they weren't < 1301683946 740024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's about a hundred lines like the above in a row, though :) < 1301683949 856987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like macros could help. < 1301683978 902717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrolled loop < 1301683998 991849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: again, i feel like macros could help :-P < 1301684009 696186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CUDA actually has C++-style templates, despite being mostly based on C, precisely to shorten that sort of thing < 1301684021 142562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this advanced technology and it's being defeated by an http timeout... < 1301684146 494900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1301684191 169706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def if_else(condition, trueVal, falseVal): < 1301684191 436299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if condition: < 1301684191 601429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return trueVal < 1301684191 601617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else: < 1301684191 601726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return falseVal < 1301684202 224698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel good about this code already. < 1301684222 144524 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301684636 689696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, GPUs are pretty good < 1301684649 331592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately 10x as good as CPUs, even :-P < 1301684651 267768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're much better than CPUs, just hard to write for < 1301684665 280042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and they slow down your desktop when you use them! sheesh < 1301684670 422970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things that are maximally optimal for GPUs compared to CPUs, it's more like 100x < 1301684685 939221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what essentially amounts to hash-cracking on the small, I think < 1301684687 368577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Hashcash < 1301684701 228107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not quite 10x as good as my cpu, more like 5x, because i have two cores < 1301684727 895080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, maybe compiz will get less lag than metacity < 1301684897 675209 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301684897 675357 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301684897 675437 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301684897 878380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301684948 665795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301684954 552818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz doesn't like being turned on when the GPU is being thrashed < 1301684971 24935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy to crash a GPU by mistake < 1301684981 736822 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301684982 704380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they don't have all the OSy stuff that CPUs have nowadays < 1301684991 944781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will ruin their throughput? :-D < 1301684993 280466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a crashed GPU mostly forces you to reboot the computer if you want the screen to work < 1301685002 196346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it worked, just, i could only see my mouse < 1301685003 850788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, I just don't think people have got round to doing it yet < 1301685006 840441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it changed cursor when moving over texty parts) < 1301685009 825326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just that and the background, no windows < 1301685012 754525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then it was just being overloaded < 1301685052 969060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, my gpu is a bit of a weakling < 1301685067 569439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being basically the best *integrated* laptop gpu out there :) < 1301685076 319854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a choice of this performing well, or a smooth desktop < 1301685163 225131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems to be getting marginally better < 1301685173 272538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that one of my query windows just went blank < 1301685184 372452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do gpus have any sort of "hey, i have no memory left" protection? :D < 1301685190 269683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, they just crash < 1301685200 714169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, it didn't actually clear < 1301685204 373624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're lucky, the supervisor process on the CPU will notice and be able to put things back in order < 1301685208 678251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have hit Ctrl+L by mistake < 1301685264 161902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the supervisor process normally notices if it's running at the time, although it may not be able to put things back to normal depending on how badly crashed the GPU is < 1301685420 66540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries 1/90 single kernel execution seconds
< 1301685435 147801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay my desktop is basically usable now < 1301685439 665561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet more reason to use ratpoison! < 1301685456 452147 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1301685458 717154 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$825 :'( < 1301685499 307410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth it, put all your money into it < 1301685503 300447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, don't < 1301685505 844228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy it for ten thousand dollars < 1301685510 642848 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still below my max, but not by much. < 1301685511 764996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up hookers for a year if you must < 1301685516 266092 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all but to concede defeat :( < 1301685539 639738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's still below my max" ;; surely at this point you can admit that it's an insane amount of money to be spending < 1301685555 110962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's /80 years/ of normal average domain < 1301685558 246087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a normal domain < 1301685558 423600 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly not my money, people who aren't douchebags have been donating :P < 1301685591 884456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it's estimating that switching to the gpu was a lose < 1301685607 879848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it being 5x as fast < 1301685651 972143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should turn on that vectors thing... and change the worksize :) < 1301685697 586686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can I have a GPU farm? < 1301685699 692516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX < 1301685707 489227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "that vectors thing" is a massive pessimisation < 1301685713 283193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I do have access to a GPU farm, but I'd be in trouble if I used it for /that/ < 1301685722 114802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it looks like it's changing the algo < 1301685731 754826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to one that's slower but sped up more by coalescing < 1301685752 928435 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was $825 of my own money, then yes, that would be a lot. < 1301685759 126679 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have friends that are actually friends. < 1301685762 150554 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike you bastards :P < 1301685784 833166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /that/?! YOU MEAN HELPING YOUR FRIEND? ;______________________________________________________________________________________________________; < 1301685791 258054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am morbidly obese.) < 1301685813 699794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so it's $825 of your friends' money? < 1301685815 524351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's worse < 1301685835 796688 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wawawareya < 1301685853 49205 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WTF is wrong with you, seriously. You have so little money sense it's almost offensive. < 1301685858 26964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has 15 friends who would give him $20 for a novelty email address? < 1301685872 450849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 * 20 is just $300 < 1301685875 365713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :money sense, n. spending $825 of your friends' money on a novelty domain name < 1301685896 658318 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They gave small donations and I'm giving them a vanity email address in return, it's friendly and they're trying to help me out. < 1301686013 762058 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO you don't read, it's not $825 of my friend's money, I said that's /mostly/ my friend's money. That only means it's at least $413 of theirs. < 1301686064 50202 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It happens to be more, but you people are so frustratingly unhelpful and assholish that I'm not going to give a value) < 1301686099 233647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is it us who's being assholish, for trying to give you good advice rather than waste money chasing domain names? < 1301686117 717126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things #esoteric has said to Gregor: < 1301686120 122503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) It's too much money. < 1301686124 805469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) It's a waste of money. < 1301686135 966117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) No, fiscal responsibility alone does not give you sufficient money to throw away like that. < 1301686143 816802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSHOLES < 1301686192 151779 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is unfriendly behavior towards someone who DOES have the money, and DOES NOT have the money through magic or pulling it out of his god damn ass, to want to buy something to make him happy. < 1301686239 502760 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "never spend substantial amounts of money on anything that does not have intrinsic value" is a very poor piece of advice if you'd like to actually enjoy life at all. < 1301686266 987721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I tend not to spend substantial amounts of money even on things that do have intrinsic value < 1301686277 265472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've also been bugging us for donations, not just saying you're buying it < 1301686365 474442 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spends a moment breathing :P
< 1301686396 703024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up to $825 now? < 1301686425 978745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and Gregor is now in a bitter argument with elliott and ais523. < 1301686449 382792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think donating all the money I made in SL may not be a good idea < 1301686463 970584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made money in SL? < 1301686468 841173 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sealand) < 1301686487 89760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Second Life) < 1301686495 92540 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chooses to believe Sealand.
< 1301686496 544064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not much, especially considering the amount of time involved) < 1301686497 441687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he has, like, £160. < 1301686507 122121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01/04/2011 20:34:48, fc342b63, accepted < 1301686508 350074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M RICH < 1301686518 237268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, BitCoins? < 1301686529 996753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg and another... actually I think it just found work this second :P < 1301686538 74468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes X-D < 1301686546 764515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My poor GPU is squealing. < 1301686554 952447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me want to go down to the coal mines. < 1301686559 126390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I could just play Minecraft. < 1301686566 938908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually gold mines but I don't think we have gold mines in England. < 1301686592 586677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how much is that one coin worth? < 1301686592 835245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU score: 0.01534 < 1301686595 360329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU score: 2157.0000 < 1301686595 752802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any transaction fees? (Yeah, I know that currently transaction fees are minimal compared to .. what's it called? The 50) < 1301686597 937930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't have a coin yet X-D < 1301686604 219371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is pooled mining. < 1301686610 344793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (In non-pooled mining, you get 50 coins at a time. Very slowly.) < 1301686626 173523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're constructing a batch of coins together and splitting them? < 1301686637 746090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, thought you were doing it yourself < 1301686638 810267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, a bunch of people contribute to the mining of one block < 1301686641 632676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a distributed cluster < 1301686649 867719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rewards are distributed according to how much work they did, etc. < 1301686653 575569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1301686666 149645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the combined result is essentially a supercomputer, it gets far more blocks than any one person (who would be unlikely to ever get one with only one computer) < 1301686676 289338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often does that cluster find coins? < 1301686698 155063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re: worth; as far as exchange goes, 1 USD = 1.26 BTC; 1 EUR = 1.64 BTC; 1 BTC = L$220 (going to L$; too lazy to work out the reverse) < 1301686715 13629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YES, SECOND LIFE'S CURRENCY IS TOTALLY ON THE SAME LEVEL AS DOLLARS X-D) < 1301686728 680648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 1 gram of gold is 48.54 BTC X-D < 1301686742 884978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to mine a block at a time the way it works? or can you find just the one coin then stop? < 1301686773 748565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have to mine a block at a time, but I believe it's an incremental process, and possibly even distributed < 1301686777 633264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the spoils go to one winner < 1301686789 463255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the spoils decrease and the difficulty increases as time goes on, before all bitcoins have been distributed into the market) < 1301686836 221168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but with pool mining, the problems your node has to solve are much smaller < 1301686842 802468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a lot faster < 1301686849 238870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still seems to be a waste of time to use a CPU, though < 1301686853 458800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so it isn't just hashcash-style < 1301686860 314201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I don't know the actual protocol yet < 1301686867 266447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's something like finding a hash with no zeroes, that's involved < 1301686877 663196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some base, presumably) < 1301686899 58108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, the analogue to the sg finding-a-tip problem is that you have to go from the first block ever created to the last < 1301686904 19151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there's like one block per transaction < 1301686914 929265 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game is this for? i can't read up < 1301686920 204445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not a game < 1301686926 490861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1301686928 340233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have no clever solution to it though (I'm not even sure a clever solution is desirable), they just walk from the first block to the latest < 1301686929 679480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bitcoin < 1301686940 592512 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is it < 1301686954 859737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cryptographic, decentralised currency < 1301686974 244297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in actual use -- you can donate to the EFF with it, buy gold with it, convert it to USD/EUR, etc. < 1301687009 33112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic, so why does it involve mining? < 1301687018 91372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1301687018 680600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, that's how it's produced < 1301687022 483633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mining = solving a bunch of cryptographic problems :P < 1301687025 764506 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no central bank < 1301687027 754829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading you to a valid bitcoin < 1301687032 10585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37:56: How often does that cluster find coins? < 1301687032 192264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1301687034 306613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all the time, I think < 1301687040 211858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/ < 1301687058 929978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is unable to comprehend any token of exchange that doesn't involve siderophilic elements. < 1301687072 629722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the system takes 2% to give to the owner for upkeep < 1301687078 74415 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm reading up on it < 1301687080 467086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 1 BTC < 1301687106 359896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other pools, but this one seems decent < 1301687107 823588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they make you solve those problems to slow the rate at which the currency enters circulation < 1301687108 782437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason people get paid to mine is because they're supporting the network. Each mined block contains previous transactions < 1301687119 76365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are others that give a quicker payout in the short-run, but meh < 1301687132 524060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not that they make you, it's that it's literally built in to the protocol < 1301687142 841426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and there has to be _some_ problem involved, or the first person could just award themselves every bitcoin :-D < 1301687144 831104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sure < 1301687203 518612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you're making real money by doing nothing, the same way you would by investing real money in a hedge fund or commodities < 1301687218 71197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not doing nothing. Providing resources to the network < 1301687224 529768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's not doing nothing, it's doing nothing of intrinsic value < 1301687229 188383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the actual computation is wasted < 1301687230 258282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but does that really matter? you can get it in other ways far quicker < 1301687242 912573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trading existing currency, offering services (apparently some people will actually pay you in bitcoins already), ... < 1301687257 154325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only relevant for the first few years, after which there won't be any to distribute anyway < 1301687272 977765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there will still be transaction fees < 1301687275 258178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: providing resources to the network requires no effort, therefore it is doing nothing < 1301687280 386036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: anyway, by the same token most office jobs are doing ntohing :-P < 1301687281 388794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nothing < 1301687286 507093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you work as a farmer? < 1301687294 802122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: It's not doing nothing, it's doing nothing of intrinsic value < 1301687300 393637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "intrinsic value". < 1301687306 544488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the way it's working is that everyone checks the block, looking for perfect or imperfect bitcoins (ones with a few or several bits wrong) < 1301687311 363486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i do nothing, and i don't get paid for it < 1301687311 526807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's difficult :P But I don't think many people are interested in various cryptographic results. < 1301687328 256542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone finds a perfect one, it's split between everyone in the ratio of the imperfect ones they found, which are valueless < 1301687336 116554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but they can easily benefit from them. < 1301687343 119546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah; that's not how the protocol itself works, though < 1301687349 346670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for a fact that only one person wins a block. < 1301687359 459081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1301687360 275522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one token thnig < 1301687361 909215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thin < 1301687363 77437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1301687365 134611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "address" < 1301687457 889252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's utterly hilarious that the bitcoin homepage has a flattr link < 1301687470 472816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which block did your group find? < 1301687478 490999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're replacing that, I think, with a development-oriented page < 1301687481 991244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.weusecoins.com/ is the new "marketing" site < 1301687487 176984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with obligatory cute videos < 1301687508 882186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worrying that more or less the currency's entire value depends on how good it is at marketing < 1301687520 326198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only in the short-term < 1301687526 554871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, that's true with _all_ currencies! < 1301687526 719866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott? < 1301687540 240287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the ones that don't have an actual backing < 1301687547 851791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i.e. all of them? < 1301687548 15258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that makes no sense! < 1301687549 781632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very few (no?) currencies are backed by something that's really valuable < 1301687552 643671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say pounds were backed by gold < 1301687557 561332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dur, it's on the pool's site < 1301687557 974271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use is gold? not much < 1301687558 139307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold is also a bubble < 1301687563 837239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people value it higher than its uses (which do exist) < 1301687566 458924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing has intrinsic value < 1301687569 937968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000261ec3e461516103db3e359519e3cc6149ff5d3af63855465c66 < 1301687570 973870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: things only have value because we find them useful < 1301687574 539823 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301687574 782616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what? fiat currencies have value < 1301687576 455475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're useful < 1301687582 777919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if nothing has intrinsic value then what is the point of the concept? < 1301687588 230686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there is no point of the concept :) < 1301687596 302710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was using it with a meaning that I don't even know earlier) < 1301687604 256287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only useful concept is human value < 1301687608 521087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fiat currencies definitely have that < 1301687611 606977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd consider things like food to be intrinsically valuable < 1301687616 21888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301687621 932863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that people require it to live < 1301687622 410896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're useful because we find eating them to be a rather good thing < 1301687627 47210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we find staying alive to be a good thing < 1301687630 422885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still nothing objective there < 1301687650 390303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :currency is just abstraction of work; if you can work for a currency, and use the currency to buy the product of work, then that currency is valuable < 1301687655 719191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiat currencies no less < 1301687671 43030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, would you consider the barter system to make sense? < 1301687678 925413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, bitcoin is better than a "normal" fiat currency system < 1301687682 646305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody can control its value < 1301687685 461271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(directly) < 1301687700 480815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the barter system is better than no kind of currency system at all, but definitely suboptimal < 1301687706 535064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I suspect its value would be much more liable to being manipulated than otherwise < 1301687707 668144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301687709 163582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define barter system < 1301687714 208551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what, bitcoins? howso? < 1301687720 804003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could drive the value very high the same way you can drive the value of shares high, by buying a lot of bitcoins quickly < 1301687727 717867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more than everyone else thinks they're worth < 1301687734 963672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people then trust those trades, you could sell them on at a profit < 1301687739 19954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cause a collapse later < 1301687744 784476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very risky, but it's been successfully done with other things < 1301687761 264495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees < 1301687767 643142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know that they have yet < 1301687787 22199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this one is still in progress < 1301687793 953908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the statement that they'll keep getting more valuable with time is very worrying; the fact that it's going up rather than down as more are created means that public perception of the value is changing rapidly < 1301687825 251057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they get valuable after the distribution stops < 1301687828 978272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, generation < 1301687851 358771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that supposed to be many many years from now? < 1301687912 511028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and they get harder to get as distribution goes on < 1301687917 308243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rewards are less and the problems more difficult < 1301687922 909689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's all < 1301687928 391417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not many, AFAIK < 1301687937 312440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I don't think < 1301687950 498682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, singularity institute also accept bitcoin donations :) < 1301687987 52598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, transaction fees are optional < 1301688026 275050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that does much good unless someone runs a miner that doesn't require fees < 1301688057 159896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um, as in, you can send bitcoins without transactions < 1301688063 610476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Because nodes have no obligation to include transactions in the blocks they generate, Bitcoin senders may voluntarily pay a transaction fee. Doing so will speed up the transaction and provide incentive for users to run nodes, especially as the difficulty of generating bitcoins increases or the reward per block amount decreases over time. Nodes collect the transaction fees associated with all transactions included in their candidate block.") < 1301688128 720609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nodes are free to reject transactions without a fee if they wish < 1301688137 239184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a free market like thingy < 1301688308 282174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the way bitcoin works is that everyone has a history of everything that's happened, and it's cryptographically hard to update < 1301688315 517348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301688323 981763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you manage to update it, you get some free bitcoins as a reward for doing the work in question < 1301688344 67762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, you fooled *us*! Have some bitcoins!" < 1301688354 971941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's basically an attempt to construct a monad in cryptographic security < 1301688364 60587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU THINK EVERYTHING'S A MONAD < 1301688370 151189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just things that are < 1301688382 15749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transaction histories /aren't/, bitcoin's an attempt to make them act like one < 1301688397 453867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more turning transactions into a linked list < 1301688405 530493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to prevent the list forking < 1301688418 525166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, people put computational power into forcing their own version of events < 1301688420 419052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a linked list addressed by cryptographic hashes < 1301688438 39631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could only fork if you regenerated every event after too, I think < 1301688438 394953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a doubly linked list, as that wouldn't make sense < 1301688452 416288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: blocks have the hash of the last block in them < 1301688453 582880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, you can just fork at any point by generating a block < 1301688457 683828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301688473 85367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/but/, if your block chain is easier to generate than the one that most people think is the chain, nobody will pay attention to it < 1301688483 86115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever chain is the most difficult to generate is the official version of events < 1301688517 979658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone extends that one as it's the only one other people accept, which means it keeps getting longer and longer, and harder and harder to catch < 1301688534 451742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Every block contains a hash of the previous block. This has the effect of creating a chain of blocks from the genesis block to the current block. Each block is guaranteed to come after the previous block chronologically because the previous block's hash would otherwise not be known. Each block is also nearly impossible to modify once it has been in the chain for a while because every block after it would also have to be regenerated. These < 1301688534 637420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : properties are what make double-spending of bitcoins very difficult. The block chain is the main innovation of Bitcoin. < 1301688536 183316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitcoin relies on the fact that no single entity can control most of the CPU power on the network for any significant length of time, since, if they could, they would be able to extend any branch of the tree they chose, and faster than any other branch can be extended, making it the longest branch, and then permanently controlling which transactions appear in it." < 1301688554 142783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you can pick any block you like as the "previous block" when generating them < 1301688667 740141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, it seems cryptographically sound. < 1301688681 5892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think it makes sense cryptographically < 1301688689 60426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming no hash collisions, which we can hope is the case < 1301688706 814797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's SHA-256, so that's a pretty good assumption < 1301688722 272715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1301688801 655981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this bitcoin discussion have to do with the freenode prize? < 1301688811 479266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing at all < 1301688839 855591 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301688864 355461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have 0.05 BTC due to free money being given out :-P < 1301688864 652898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1301688900 644951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can i find the latest BTC exchange rates? < 1301688912 86947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bitcoinwatch.com/ < 1301688924 711074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also http://bitcoincharts.com/ < 1301688929 32774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has fancy market stats < 1301688933 821811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can pretend to be a REAL trader < 1301688973 181566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, buying lots of ridiculously overpowerful hardware and then sitting at a computer screen into the night just became profitable < 1301688992 382766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the world population growth rate to plummet < 1301688997 868277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/suspect/something/ < 1301689054 14074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it though? < 1301689060 961768 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301689069 781485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is it what? Profitable? < 1301689086 83354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; people who are doing it are pretty serious :-P < 1301689102 765965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would you have to attend it? < 1301689103 319897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect that you wouldn't be able to mine enough BTC in the short time that new blocks have so much value to recoup the cost of the hardware and electricity < 1301689106 501995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i'm wrong < 1301689138 352005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, after a while, new blocks won't generate coins < 1301689144 257757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: traders spend all day looking at screens with white on black and red and blue :-P < 1301689147 807557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, people will be paid to generate them by people doing transactions < 1301689148 201494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do that with bitcoins! < 1301689159 688761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can < 1301689168 814141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you do a transaction, you need to bribe the people making blocks to include it < 1301689169 649660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you buy a handful of high-end GPUs < 1301689179 902368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the person at the other end has no way to know if it's confirmed or not < 1301689187 678561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, whether you're double-spending or not < 1301689219 93817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now person #2 has assumed I'm talking about a game when I mentioned bitcoins < 1301689226 488777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NAME PERHAPS REQUIRES IMPROVEMENT < 1301689229 516002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301689231 982239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most purely digital currenices are game-related < 1301689232 299739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1301689234 99437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like TotallySeriousBitCurrencyYo. < 1301689235 627021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mining" < 1301689237 879573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't mention that :P < 1301689239 763801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, that's awesome. < 1301689253 250813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have a wealth of mining /games/ < 1301689270 129856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In fact I want my screensaver to be a picture of a cute little android mining at a big ol' block of bitcoins. < 1301689278 126208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With little coins falling out of it. < 1301689282 364631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a good metaphor < 1301689284 963919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the actual data. < 1301689286 79152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :minting would be closer < 1301689287 735125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be much better if you could get a bunch of clients cooperating to mine games, rather than coins < 1301689287 899107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WOULD BE AWESOME < 1301689294 431861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be cheaper than making games by hand < 1301689295 237800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1301689297 265814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301689309 86129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it'd produce something actually useful then, people like playing games < 1301689318 356741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i support this idea < 1301689336 309752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wouldn't that involve a very expensive algorithm that generates a new game? < 1301689339 902774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve < 1301689343 9752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would take a very long time to mine a single game though < 1301689351 177897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine the games being written in SHAfuck < 1301689357 779480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course, you think generating a good game is easy? < 1301689374 220328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can determine how good the game is by how many person-hours are spent playing it < 1301689382 359566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: somehow I'm relieved that nobody from #esoteric invented bitcoins now < 1301689385 206215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301689386 858795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO OUR KNOWLEDGE < 1301689389 639250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wouldn't it be better to have a rating system? < 1301689390 133381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do the rest of the setup the same way as bitcoin < 1301689397 155016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can determine how good the game is by how many person-hours are spent playing it < 1301689400 458474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then QWOP would rank as a good game! < 1301689401 58927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'd want somethign that couldn't be easily gamed < 1301689406 437660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: QWOP? < 1301689410 533885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW < 1301689414 551524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it requires flash so you can't know < 1301689424 428130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those highly-addictive but not particularly enjoyable games. < 1301689424 895610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Dot Action 2 would count as a good game, though that's only debatable, not objectively wrong < 1301689429 798939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S NOT ENJOYABLE AT ALL < 1301689432 115151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S LIVING HELL < 1301689437 190091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do people play it? < 1301689445 339193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, since i can't seem to find it in these lay intros, exactly what is the problem being solved in the creation of a new block, and how is its difficulty ramped up? < 1301689451 26278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IT CONSUMES YOUR SOUL < 1301689457 139981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: look at the non-lay intros :P < 1301689464 710093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the problem's to find a hash of the previous transaction history that, treated as an integer, is really low < 1301689469 6793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean the original paper? < 1301689469 818287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page < 1301689539 544130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and how is the difficulty parameterized? < 1301689552 301427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths wow, this is big < 1301689574 472102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not sure about the translation to a number, but it's basically finding a hash that's, say, only 0.0001% of the maximum value it could have, rather than more like 50% like you'd expect < 1301689583 124501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoins are worthless because they aren't backed by anything < 1301689583 386173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold isn't backed by anything either. See myth https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_is_backed_by_CPU_cycles < 1301689593 305454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i should have just told ais523 to read this :P < 1301689613 461671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that bitcoin isn't backed by anything < 1301689635 276547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could only be backed by CPU cycles if they were intrinsically capable of being exchanged for CPU cycles, and they aren't < 1301689656 134894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the reason I think bitcoin's a bubble is because I think gold's a bubble too < 1301689666 696880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, most or all Real Life currency < 1301689677 190798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to find a way to live without currency altogether, so I may as well use what most people use < 1301689683 54263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all currency is a bubble by your definition < 1301689688 175585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301689691 514415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherently < 1301689691 699801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I not believe that? < 1301689698 247134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's true, but it's more making the concept of "bubble" useless, rather than saying something deep about currency < 1301689713 238777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1301689725 85968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and by "finding a hash" that means "choosing a way of hashing" such that the choices are numerous and the particular choice of hashes is specifiable as a small number? < 1301689727 982027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is useful indefinitely, I find calling it a bubble silly; and there's no reason bitcoin wouldn't be usable indefinitely, if people keep using it, which there seems to be no reason for them to stop doing < 1301689762 757622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's doesn't seem to be much reason for them to continue doing either < 1301689791 606347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can append an arbitrary nonce to the data then hash it via a specific hash algo, the difficulty's in finding a nonce for which doing that works < 1301689798 653266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as much reason as any currency < 1301689814 378222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is because it would take a lot of people deciding not to in order to make it no longer worthwhile for anyone to < 1301689825 270785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it's more useful than having to milk a goat by hand to give milk to the person who you want to buy a coat off < 1301689829 259280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: except it can happen gradually < 1301689829 631546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so continuing to do so is a dynamic equilibrium of the system < 1301689842 662160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a few people decide they don't want to continue to use bitcoin any more, it makes its value go down < 1301689851 437677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really < 1301689857 494574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll make more people decide they don't want to use it, and drive its value down further < 1301689858 759931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not as long as the exchanges are still used < 1301689858 975056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1301689861 84348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unstable equilibrium < 1301689863 343957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway < 1301689864 884431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure < 1301689866 179896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if everyone is using it, what reason do those people have to choose not to use it? < 1301689868 434336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real currency has the same issue < 1301689868 607667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you have to show why that would happen < 1301689876 124501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL CURRENCY INHERENTLY HAS THAT ISSUE < 1301689878 345833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason it's tolerated is that people have to use /something/ < 1301689879 803263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I KNOW < 1301689883 868053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from currencies whose value is somehow determined by one person < 1301689889 237803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can only be done by that one person selling just about every good < 1301689893 814974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, how does a rational player determine that it is rational to stop using bitcoin? < 1301689896 123646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least forcing people to sell it at a certain price < 1301689901 418468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, um, people don't like that < 1301689909 567483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your argument isn't working, because you're trying to convince me that bitcoin is no worse than any real currency, and I'm saying I don't care because real currencies are bad enough < 1301689911 20828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what I object to is your use of the word "bitcoin" < 1301689915 391314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should say "currency" < 1301689919 406240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1301689949 669090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm going to have to bring out the "if you're so clever then what would you use instead" at this juncture. < 1301689956 763659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does a rational player determine that it is rational to stop using a particular widespread currency? < 1301689967 218812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: people aren't rational < 1301689971 699000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, you made that far too easy < 1301689972 978712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FWIW, I don't like currency in the general case anyway < 1301689983 38546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my preferred solution is to eliminate scarcity < 1301689986 685008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's just superfluous < 1301689988 986818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but until then... < 1301689989 693037 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm asking a game theory question here, your objection is overruled < 1301689996 4896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's worth not using a currency, if what it takes you to obtain that currency is an unfairly large amount of however-you-value-things-in-general compared to what you can buy using it < 1301690004 251762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hello, this is reality speaking. Humans are not rational. Bye. < 1301690007 456249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think game theory applies to people deciding to stop using a currency like bitcoin < 1301690007 620758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may as well give you a stock game theory answer in that case < 1301690011 849738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are far too many irrational reasons to do it < 1301690040 572395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i agree that it does not apply in the real world. could you stop bringing up irrelevancies wrt my game theory question? < 1301690079 907226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, I like pinging you, it's fun < 1301690082 827324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping ping ping < 1301690086 675925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the main rational reason to buy a currency that's been freshly created and that doesn't have much momentum yet, is because you think that other people will try to do the same thing as you but later < 1301690095 256575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember pulling that sort of trick in nomic occasionally < 1301690106 550959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, PBA vs. RBoA is probably worth analysing by all economists < 1301690107 123001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm a bit of a slowpoke, I probably should have jumped in earlier < 1301690113 182173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gah, I was just thinking about the PBA < 1301690116 12645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trying to mentally revise it < 1301690121 686138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you're a slowpoke, you'll go and dominate the leaderboard < 1301690124 628860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I wondered about having a bank backed by bitcoins, which sounded like fun < 1301690129 830100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you get trapped by consistency < 1301690133 303625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, people would be unlikely to use it < 1301690139 112939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301690140 90369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, at least, more likely than "real" currency < 1301690144 965532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that not being rational < 1301690151 75067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you saying that for a widespread currency, currency acquisition becomes more expensive than the value of the currency? that seems to contradict the definition of "value"? < 1301690161 805485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the PBA is still inherently better than the RBoA, IMO < 1301690169 645243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it just needs tweaking < 1301690193 122445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're speaking as if it still exists < 1301690199 697758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm speaking about it in the abstract < 1301690202 956471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed, that's why currencies tend not to collapse < 1301690207 509097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the PBA did very well for a long time, it was killed by (1) my coding negligence, (2) BobTHJ's everything negligence and (3) the resulting bank run of one by Wooble < 1301690210 390660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value is based on a circular argument, but it's a persistent one < 1301690210 952197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301690214 769245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(3) the collapse of the game, and the < 1301690215 237507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: what I object to is your use of the word "bitcoin" < 1301690215 401844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, what. < 1301690222 435323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think my connection is gone again. < 1301690225 547031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't < 1301690227 664279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the collapse of the economy in general helped too, I think < 1301690238 618554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's what i said, unless you mean the real world economy < 1301690241 671716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Phantom_Hoover: because he was objecting to bitcoins in various ways, but they actually applied to every currency < 1301690247 200795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^Phantom_Hoover: // < 1301690256 781551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I meant the Agoran economy < 1301690261 221537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game didn't collapse, just the AAA < 1301690262 560861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was enough < 1301690267 116928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the start of the PBA was really interesting, because it was amazing how out of whack the RBoA rates are < 1301690270 893872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301690294 110994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, incidentally, both banks were backed by the AAA, which was backed by the scoring system < 1301690302 74292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the banks worked fine just as long as win by points did < 1301690307 62157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was also backed by notes < 1301690311 481108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the AAA dwarfed notes < 1301690332 575641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, a bank should have some built-in-to-the-contract way of selling off work < 1301690339 723521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so that e.g. it would still work even if only offices were left < 1301690346 544204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could get out of office duties by paying someone else to do them < 1301690353 747022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that is naive to say. there are many reasons why currencies collapse, but i don't think it ever happens because people all at once decide that currency is not as valuable as it once was. from what i've seen it happens when actual real world conditions change to modify the perceived value of the coin < 1301690369 542204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see my attempt to create a new economy at Agora < 1301690373 451137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I need to get back to < 1301690375 122161 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301690375 654723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although tomorrow < 1301690379 946828 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1301690385 634118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably oppose it, because now I'm all set on reviving the PBA but better < 1301690388 935453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we have contracts now, right? < 1301690389 390096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, when someone changes the rules about what can be done with currency < 1301690391 456828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1301690396 724266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, can we get contracts back? < 1301690401 477504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the PBA needs something to refer to < 1301690406 683321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my new economy works a bit like contracts < 1301690417 62157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still create banks, but in nomic they need something to back the < 1301690418 524319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1301690422 994149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because otherwise they have nothing to trade < 1301690428 752476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my plan would create the banking < 1301690431 898311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*backing < 1301690435 971443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could go nuts on top of that < 1301690437 884449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like I said, work is the backing < 1301690442 477395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as other currencies < 1301690448 997715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the other trades would be based on "work = {transfer me X}" < 1301690470 440575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and that work is what I was planning to make into a currency < 1301690474 123062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more precisely, actions < 1301690487 825485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, perhaps then; I think contract law was a good way of doing that, though < 1301690490 862238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less like the Vote Market, except not so hideously stupid < 1301690496 822956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although contract law would be better if it was based on individual pledges < 1301690500 83021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can emulate contracts with those, I think < 1301690502 122940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really an attempt to bring back something contract-like < 1301690505 313117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even emulate equity enforcement with them < 1301690508 442831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's tradeable pledges < 1301690516 403186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write a message, you can give it to other people < 1301690522 864087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can spend it to make you send it < 1301690539 520695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can we finally define infinitesimal time to allow message ordering to be formally defined at the same time? < 1301690543 441550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be useful, to define "message" < 1301690553 380195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (otherwise it might be judged that you have to include headers too! :D) < 1301690563 181076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an argument about that atm (my contested registration) < 1301690582 439323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to get it as close to the player/not-a-player borderline as possible, I think I judged it quite well < 1301690625 631691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder why I haven't made any bitcoins yet < 1301690632 797000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly they haven't passed my set 0.01 pool threshold < 1301690674 390315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitcoin is a form of domestic terrorism because it only harms the economic stability of the USA and its currency" ;; I hope nobody's actually said this... < 1301690694 400520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitcoins are stored in wallet files, just copy the wallet file to get more coins!" ;; lol :D < 1301690702 402865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this faq is great, bunch of stupid questions :) < 1301690772 807892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that prevents the coin copying is that if you spend both copies, only one can be baked into a block by whoever's mining (or it isn't a valid block), and they get to choose which of the transactions is valid < 1301690777 864736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actual criticism I have: All transactions are public. Even though the identities are conceiled, it may be worked out what's going on to some degree < 1301690790 686521 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have returned to calmness (also home :P ) < 1301690803 212398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone apparently sends you bitcoins, you're supposed to wait for a chain past that point to build up to be sure you actually have them and they wern't lying < 1301690804 898599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weren't < 1301690810 89633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: practically, it's that you have to rewrite the rest of history to get anything to trust you, IIRC < 1301690814 64771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather difficult < 1301690831 863545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but yeah, when the faucet gave me 0.05 coins it started off unconfirmed < 1301690834 683336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's up to 42 confirmations < 1301690839 559457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, it only lets you double-spend your own coins < 1301690843 122850 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301690858 488326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nick Clegg tops April Fools poll after pretending to keep a pre-election promise" < 1301690866 914085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THAT PING < 1301690983 10985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Bitcoin community are anarchist/conspiracy theorist/gold standard weenies < 1301690983 205299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIRMED]] < 1301690985 793981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best FAQ entry ever. < 1301691007 98750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, [[Myths]] entry < 1301691013 460789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually the FAQ < 1301691143 522430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a Windows binary of ImageMagick for Fourier transforming? < 1301691152 332859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301691243 118270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting approach < 1301691269 246900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? < 1301691355 360161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, actual criticism I have: All transactions are public. Even though the identities are conceiled, it may be worked out what's going on to some degree < 1301691360 202842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can create a new address for every transaction. < 1301691373 531240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: question: if I have coins in my wallet, that were sent to my keypair A, can I transfer them to keypair B without leaving a trace connecting keypair A and B? < 1301691381 850928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you can figure out how each coin was traded < 1301691388 561234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need to do some sort of crazy money laundering < 1301691394 884476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: only if you refuse to pay the transaction fee < 1301691396 360936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say by converting them to real-word currency and back < 1301691408 916013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which is Bad Behaviour < 1301691412 124862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perfectly possible < 1301691434 598251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the previous history of owners of every bitcoin is recorded; it has to be , or it wouldn't work < 1301691441 732769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re: tracking things, I suspect it would get lost in the noise < 1301691445 953124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite probably < 1301691512 933602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but wouldn't you, in that case, be paying a transaction fee to yourself? < 1301691532 99333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: err, no, you just wouldn't pay one at all < 1301691538 495666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1301691541 974472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did pay it < 1301691545 884690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would you pay it to < 1301691562 560741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the network < 1301691566 313067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would it record that you changed the key you are using for the coin < 1301691575 297407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out whether "Building nuclear reactor at home - from scratch" is an AF or not
< 1301691646 973375 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens with FFT, if you switch the magnitude and phase? What happen if you mirror the phase image and leave the magnitude as is? What if you did the other way around? < 1301691653 935077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly been done. < 1301691669 979818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, comments prove that it's certainly plausible (although not actually a nuclear reactor), but I'm still not sure < 1301691681 969266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Things. Various things. < 1301691686 886588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changes in the result according to the changes you make. < 1301691689 746732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link, BTW? < 1301691692 36871 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://notalwaysright.com/lindsay-lohan-is-bad-for-your-health/10933 Bahaha < 1301691727 4200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ggg43/guys_ive_just_built_tiny_nuclear_reactor_at_home/ < 1301691729 755000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ggg" OMG IT'S A BITCOIN < 1301691748 506983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got one from the distributed block-finding thing? < 1301691749 64634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuh? < 1301691756 440560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, see the url above < 1301691759 301655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bitcoins start with a lot of 0s < 1301691764 564354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my mental pattern matcher has now short-circuited < 1301691775 778543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301691791 308715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw three gs at the start of the URL, thought "that's unlikely", and assumed it was valuable? < 1301691795 401354 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tiny" and "nuclear reactor" don't go so well together ... < 1301691796 95677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! :D < 1301691801 245680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not a real nuclear reactor < 1301691806 144540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm thinking that's legit. < 1301691808 260321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently I'll get an email once I reach the stunning total of 0.01 bitcoins < 1301691816 709146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes; the title seems AF-geared, though < 1301691830 459004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because i turned on email on payout :) < 1301691835 811527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually thought of a potential problem that isn't addressed there < 1301691854 382215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, in what? bitcoins? reactors? < 1301691855 824066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gamma-decay" < 1301691857 541344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoins < 1301691857 836680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf < 1301691889 838295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way mining works, if you want consistent payouts rather than gambling - and probably most people will - it's in your interests to join the largest mining group < 1301691893 714158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO SUCH THING YOU IDIOTS < 1301691897 604166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would over time lead to the smaller ones collapsing < 1301691908 869614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not quite true < 1301691909 109993 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-16-252.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301691915 256239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would give the people in charge of the group a lot of control < 1301691925 786966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been shown that over infinite time, ignoring difficulty changes, the payout of a group ~= the payout of doing it manually < 1301691929 392893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even ==, I'm not sure) < 1301691930 100806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, cobalt-60 doesn't even emit gamma radiation without decaying, it just emits gamma radiation when it beta decays. < 1301691932 488215 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so from skimming that, I agree; it's not a nuclear reactor, it's a nuclear flashlight :P < 1301691941 750773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again my chemistry textbook is full of crap. < 1301691945 560072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you have limited hardware, a group is infinitely better because of difficulty increases and time < 1301691946 397388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the same on average, but it's more consistent in a group < 1301691954 208034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as bad as it saying that GFMs are unitless, I suppose. < 1301691955 860691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more consistency = good for most people < 1301691964 335713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if you have a bunch of good GPUs, a pretty sustained rate of 50 bitcoins is far nicer looking < 1301691970 961803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: than a steadier rate of a lot less < 1301691987 461704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, let's face it, "most people" aren't going to mine < 1301691997 78873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll get bitcoins in far more reasonable ways (assuming "most people" adopt it, that is) < 1301692009 367736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably are if bitcoin catches on, otherwise transaction fees will go up very high < 1301692034 986180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they'll set their idle resources to it, I suppose, but mining without a GPU is already hideously impractical < 1301692036 783399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in a pool < 1301692124 725734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say hideously < 1301692132 398885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is, I got bored enough to check out a GPU miner before I mined anything with a CPU < 1301692154 607896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU is just much better for that sort of thing < 1301692214 574076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out the words to justify a GPU cluster as a financial investment
< 1301692217 86075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301692348 440221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the EFF will appreciate a ~5 cent donation < 1301692534 96873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, my wm has fucked up again < 1301692543 91540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet they will < 1301692549 847044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very much, but slightly < 1301692553 672079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301692565 601694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll hoard my bitcoins until I have more than that :-P < 1301692572 670047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, argh, why does my wm do this < 1301692642 501390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1301692645 687040 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301692653 821004 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should run the miner on the console instead... or just ditch X entirely < 1301692656 599363 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Changing host < 1301692656 763953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301692898 984333 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301693112 649772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my total reward so far is ~0.00065 bitcoins < 1301693115 488283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOICE < 1301693145 274952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, you re-re-did the c-intercal build system? < 1301693149 816577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, don't tell me it was esr < 1301693160 946243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he tried to < 1301693165 945431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I redid it myself in order to stop him < 1301693174 138147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was months ago < 1301693175 620844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did he want to redo it? < 1301693182 943870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generated files in the repo, of all things < 1301693186 667929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be irrelevant < 1301693188 521986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he _wanted_ that? < 1301693195 248373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he wanted there to be none at all < 1301693208 44636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it was a case of writing a bootstrap shellscript that could generate all the files from scratc < 1301693209 593063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scratch < 1301693212 547577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The floating-point library is now automatically included if < 1301693212 785368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1301693212 949019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : a program NEXTs to labels in the range 5000-5999." < 1301693212 949208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously they generated each other < 1301693215 367924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew? < 1301693217 201283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one of his < 1301693220 179247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301693223 696148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going through them to ew at them < 1301693224 624314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only if it doesn't contain any label in that range < 1301693227 216961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he forgot to specify < 1301693231 422461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a good thing? < 1301693231 803180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saner that way < 1301693252 930185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the way INTERCAL library inclusion has Always Worked, just NEXT to a line that doesn't exist and it tries to find an appropriate library < 1301693259 508615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301693274 327037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bugs reported by Elliott Hird" yaey im fameous < 1301693290 541894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you pointed out many bugs? < 1301693299 986485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole four! < 1301693302 420930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, five < 1301693306 133487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vorpal got the credit for one < 1301693312 989654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the grossest injustice < 1301693329 343087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OMG YOU'RE FAMOUS TOO < 1301693335 298899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I am? < 1301693340 288733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you forgot to call him Adhahamhamhmahmahhmanhnmhanhahn McSomething < 1301693343 787793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think he's said he's McSomething < 1301693344 363815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/~esr/intercal/NEWS.html < 1301693367 202262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bad was the typo? < 1301693383 714845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :139 < 1301693383 947346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :29. The function clock_gettime is now supported by the yuk profiler as an < 1301693384 110867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :140 < 1301693384 111047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : alternative method of getting a high-resolution clock for profiling (it < 1301693384 111154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :141 < 1301693384 310473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is available on at least Linux). < 1301693384 476250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have the capacity to end all life on Earth? That would be a very nasty typo < 1301693407 841591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you switched from tar to pax because POSIX deprecated the former in favour of the latter (OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHY), you should do the same for gettimeofday -> clock_gettime < 1301693414 526384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday was removed in POSIX 2008, replaced by clock_gettime < 1301693416 757295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1301693419 178879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clock_gettime is used if it exists, IIRC < 1301693425 32760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for what, what I said? < 1301693429 728502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the posix standard yourself < 1301693461 963642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but the libraries and compiled programs now agree on which profiling function to use! < 1301693464 370954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that bug was hilarious) < 1301693491 514954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many optimisations are there? I'm wondering if I can wile away a few hours by creating more obvious ones and giving them to you < 1301693509 502425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, citation needed for why I'm famous. < 1301693514 155019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you're in the readme < 1301693515 997769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301693517 834112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HISTORY file < 1301693523 341149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be called Changelog < 1301693524 209005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite a lot; aiming for flow rather than expression optimisation would probably help < 1301693533 901606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, have you informed esr that there are, in fact, modern INTERCAL implementations not derived from his? < 1301693543 525306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's aware of CLC-INTERCAL, but ignores it < 1301693547 57503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was under the impression that there weren't in his awful blog post < 1301693547 415679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a weird combination < 1301693553 237495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, what do you mean? < 1301693559 175067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows it exists, but refuses to act as if it does < 1301693559 727379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you point out CLC and he said "Yeah yeah whatever"? < 1301693563 822775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's an attempt to save sanity < 1301693576 222546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what did he actually say when you pointed it out; or haven't you < 1301693581 986656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's J-INTERCAL; not *that* modern, but still < 1301693594 588395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J- is just like a worse version of old-fashioned C- < 1301693599 216341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where's the C-INTERCAL page? < 1301693604 58230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL has been intrinsically different forever < 1301693610 579570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://c.intercal.org.uk < 1301693618 892948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but J- is both (1) pretty modern and (2) an INTERCAL implementation < 1301693649 797709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that with 0.29, the tarball has /just/ creeped over a million bytes < 1301693671 882321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloat! < 1301693683 415146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU SHOULD WRITE AN INTERCAL REPL < 1301693685 829168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301693692 861318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that automatically increments statement numbers (and uses them as the prompt) < 1301693700 299045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, statement numbers? < 1301693702 540007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you can copy-paste lines into an intercal program directly, and also keep track of control flow... kinda) < 1301693711 794487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: line numbers, whatever < 1301693712 707719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL has a REPL (INTERCALC), which I've actually used before now to do some quick INTERCAL calculations < 1301693719 623834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it treats each statement independently < 1301693765 94946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: boring! < 1301693771 354409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are statement numbers done again? (number)? < 1301693797 491482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1301693806 162412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sickly < 1301693817 948420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) PLEASE DO COME FROM (2) < 1301693826 966354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's an error already < 1301693827 157905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) PLEASE DO COME FROM (1) < 1301693829 950375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as (2) doesn't exist < 1301693834 377069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean (1) PLEASE DO COME FROM #2 < 1301693836 618824 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301693837 914830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1301693839 73224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sickly < 1301693841 868167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a no-op rather than an error if the line doesn't exist < 1301693842 602414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=== Changes reported by Phantom Hoover === < 1301693843 161274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :24. Fixed a nasty documentation typo. < 1301693845 223282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second line can stay the same < 1301693847 276604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no < 1301693850 220310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the second line WILL exist < 1301693850 986072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which typo was that? < 1301693855 224734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you pretend every line exists already < 1301693856 169257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can't remember < 1301693861 898866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but don't execute statements until the lines they depend on exist < 1301693862 453595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was pretty bad, I said the opposite of what I meant < 1301693935 899979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or _does_ the latter come into effect once (2) starts existing? < 1301693944 295491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, even better < 1301693946 517092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sickly < 1301693951 331768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) PLEASE DO READ OUT #1234 < 1301693953 184839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1301693964 672966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) DO READ OUT #4567 < 1301693966 706744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1301693974 75034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) DO COME FROM (1) < 1301693974 240978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL's WHILE would be useful for this, except it only applies to expressions < 1301693980 720443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second line's output has to get removed < 1301693988 414555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO statement WHILE expression executes the expression as soon as it makes sense and doesn't error < 1301693992 303604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it should print < 1301693995 285013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[output] NEVER HAPPENED < 1301694000 799820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continues with the statement and the rest of the program < 1301694051 107172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly you need Feather < 1301694057 181593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1301694072 167295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is CLC-INTERCAL non-Free software too? < 1301694078 726155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BSD-licensed, IIRC < 1301694082 604121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something very similar < 1301694086 379526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 2. Any changes you make must be clearly identified by comments < 1301694086 559898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * (example: "this function rewritten by YOUR NAME to change the < 1301694086 723751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * way bogons are emitted") < 1301694086 723935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--rename.c < 1301694121 435323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal/browse_thread/thread/669d38f639b60093 ;; uh oh, someone who actually believes that only github has git repositories < 1301694126 107361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's three-clause BSD with some of the language changed for amusement value < 1301694135 878221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, I read their other thread and it looks like they're insane in the mundane, real-world sense < 1301694149 611226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25FRpkbDxU < 1301694160 366335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of Look Around You for some reason. < 1301694174 494060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trolling, except that what's the point in trolling a.l.i? < 1301694181 689995 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Qdeql +Sceql +SMETANA) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301694185 761704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is it meant to be watched with 1911 mode on? < 1301694187 802737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this is hilarious < 1301694194 877414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, always the marketer! < 1301694209 103007 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like elliott's back < 1301694211 573476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, it should be watched so you can understand the SCIENCE? < 1301694211 737649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, it's April 1, why are you believing him? < 1301694225 281641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might have been sneaky and put Thue and Unlambda in there instead! < 1301694231 371317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm. Indeed, this forum is indeed not very mephitic. And I *do* feel like escaping my matrix of solidity... aha! The solution to my woes!" < 1301694242 935934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: surely you've clicked the 1911 in the corner < 1301694253 904084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have. < 1301694378 162788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are things like 1911 mode kept forever? < 1301694389 672033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, accessible after April 1 via an URL param or whatever? < 1301694413 744168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, TEXTp wasn't < 1301694415 414824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think < 1301694418 365328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1911 should be, though < 1301694421 139201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes every video better < 1301694434 776087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it hard to hear the sound, and the picture's a bit flaky < 1301694451 614605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it impossible to hear the sound, it's muted < 1301694456 432890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're joking < 1301694484 790760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't so much a joke, as an understatement to make the sentence flow a bit better < 1301694507 34306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOO I'M ABOUT HALF WAY TO 0.01 BITCOINS < 1301694519 477360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer is not a very fast compuer. < 1301694521 97204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comptuer. < 1301694522 959243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer. < 1301694524 972643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HALF-WAY < 1301694527 381141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't type < 1301694570 146154 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: off to implement another one I suppose < 1301694689 885184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found LodePNG. It can use C or C++ (just rename the file and the compiler will use C mode or C++ mode). Probably I could remove the parts I don't need. Maybe I could convert the rest to CWEB? Would it work? < 1301694755 426194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, /me kills the miner for now, want to do some programming and it's too laggy < 1301694771 720828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll save it until I have a desktop with a decent GPU < 1301694895 12770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is gcc's [index] = foo array thing C99 or GNU C89+? I know you've used it, in DNA Maze < 1301695024 196979 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301695160 626658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C99 < 1301695183 676894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :register Cell tos asm("al"); < 1301695184 39563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :register Cell sos asm("ah"); < 1301695185 706020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that will work < 1301695214 344304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Befunge-93 programs have a hard limit to the number of stack they can use, right? < 1301695218 90473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*amount of < 1301695223 133159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have a maximum number of cycles < 1301695225 262348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that's not true < 1301695228 40853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1301695228 205791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" uses infinite stack < 1301695359 681281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301695369 161814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, the befunge-93 stack is of 32-bit words < 1301695371 322717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, ints < 1301695388 834503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the x86 is so register starved < 1301695410 995755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick! what's a non-eax general purpose register < 1301695416 539398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in _really_ general purpose :-P) < 1301695588 480688 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301695636 487877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lame, fizzie's ff3 does exactly what mine is going to < 1301695663 430977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does break the standard < 1301695729 682098 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301695739 469775 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do? < 1301695824 138366 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :save yourself! < 1301695993 802608 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Client Quit < 1301696131 651491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: threaded code < 1301696137 522043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how random is rand()%4? < 1301696139 947176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: clock_gettime is used if it exists, IIRC <-- hm if you do that, where do you look for it? On Linux it is in librt.so iirc. On FreeBSD it is in libc.so I think. < 1301696153 192394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I look for it in autoconf < 1301696161 853551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think by trying to link it to libc and librt and seeing what happens < 1301696165 352475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301696183 809734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, libc first I presume? Since iirc FreeBSD has librt as well... With different stuff < 1301696193 383720 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301696198 166175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I try to link them both at once < 1301696199 805439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, that; well, yes, sure. Though I think it's even more characterized by the "different instruction implementations for all cardinal deltas" thing. (Though mooz's "bef" did that too.) < 1301696202 350833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does rand()&3 work? Does it work better, or worse, if there is a difference? < 1301696211 299373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm doing that too, after seeing yours :P < 1301696221 325370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it should obviously be identical, by the laws of & < 1301696224 79045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the laws of % < 1301696231 691729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it works worse than rand()/(RAND_MAX/4) on old implementations of rand(), and the same as rand()%4, obviously < 1301696237 801811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can't have non-cardinal deltas in -93, though. < 1301696238 541559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on modern implementations, all should be much the same < 1301696252 815796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, in df it seems that the z level counter can go to negative values... range on current map seems to be -17 - 120 < 1301696262 613324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I "plan" to turn it into a proper ripoff of jitfunge98, though. < 1301696282 591028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as modern compilers optimise %4 into &3 always < 1301696290 188435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, how random is rand()%4? <-- I would presume it depends on your libc. < 1301696291 320888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bitwise AND is faster than integer MODULO < 1301696313 266837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typical LCRNGs, the high-order bits are more random than the low-order bits < 1301696314 560521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr @ http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/doc/befunge93.html < 1301696326 60119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it's just befunge though, ? should be random enough with rand() :-D < 1301696335 468219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, such optimizations are helpful when macros are being used. < 1301696338 410951 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. I also had a version that macrologized in implementations on all (well, most) possible {stack cell type, playfield element type, another parameter, yet another parameter} option -- so you could select those options on runtime instead of compile-time -- but it grew too large for GCC to handle, I think. < 1301696375 746128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is that rand()/(RAND_MAX/4)) is a better implementation than rand()%4 on some systems, and equal on most others < 1301696375 911623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do you want to do befunge93? Besides how many fingerprints did you do in your last befunge98 implementation? And did you publish the source anywhere? < 1301696378 512565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I'd quite like to optimise lines properly, too. But OTOH, proper threaded code JITting should be, you know, as fast as Forth, which is good enough for me. < 1301696382 468765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus generally a better implementation < 1301696386 938208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than that, there is not much advantage over entering those optimizations manually) < 1301696390 786245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1301696398 591717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but, that doesn't have the bitwise-and SPEEEEEEEEED < 1301696399 675605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301696404 327121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as one is a shift and the other is a bitwise-and, and they're both as fast as each other < 1301696407 299258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless RAND_MAX is a convenient power of two, and a macro < 1301696411 576367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a constant, which I suppose is a given < 1301696415 723392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a constant < 1301696426 959485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still one more instruction < 1301696430 853091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you probably want (RAND_MAX+1)/4 < 1301696435 353516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and allow for integer overflow < 1301696436 848520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, macro < 1301696438 92931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked < 1301696440 362844 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use the rand() command, I made the program, it has its own random number generator, the Xorshift algorithm. It will do modulo, but if the number is too high it will try again (this rarely happens). < 1301696446 981995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: >> 28 compared to & 3? < 1301696451 241178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same instruction count either way < 1301696465 314841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301696473 278422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301696490 741415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes that RAND_MAX is not a lot smaller than INT_MAX < 1301696553 357117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my main innovation, BTW, is to put the TOS into a register, and hopefully the SOS too if I can find another free register < 1301696557 801152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether that will be an optimisation or not < 1301696630 623951 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this code OK? if(rng_w<=max_uint-(max_uint%limit)) return rng_w%limit; else < 1301696662 681703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers < 1301696669 293427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: old < 1301696700 42992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How much does stringmode screw with your performance? < 1301696701 257336 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did that -- well, I mean, I put TOS into a separate variable, which is sort-of analogous -- but didn't manage to make it any better than the simpler stack. < 1301696705 413097 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301696718 413234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of analogous except it won't go into a register at all :P < 1301696741 892002 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think the C standard requires that a compiler supports handwriting recognition. < 1301696748 303512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whoosh < 1301696754 628376 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, that's up to the compiler; certainly it could. < 1301696763 986080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it won't. :p < 1301696785 794132 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I might have tried declaring it as a file-scope register variable too, in which case it definitely will. < 1301696797 994127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely? I thought gcc likes to ignore register. < 1301696806 159438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Befunge-93 benchmark? :-P < 1301696810 309783 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you name the register. < 1301696839 955250 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Global register variables reserve registers throughout the program. This may be useful in programs such as programming language interpreters which have a couple of global variables that are accessed very often." < 1301696849 796272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: REboot < 1301696864 574018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ghc does it! < 1301696873 315267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wat < 1301696883 597430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses global register variables < 1301696888 190102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes; you didn't specify you named the register, though. < 1301696890 42351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: When? :P < 1301696907 925381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: throughout the last 2-3 years I believe < 1301696918 818274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I mean, in which case. < 1301696921 969871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cases. < 1301696922 883877 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :always? < 1301696943 408083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you declare a global? < 1301696951 115533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just generally stores some data in dedicated registers that are reserved throughout the runtime of the program < 1301696968 34183 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I don't really recall what all I tried, to be honest. Anyhoo, re stringmode, that's not very clever; as a matter of fact, at " it just calls a push_string() function, which isn't even constant-delta parametrized. < 1301697015 330931 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And re benchmarks, the only thing I've used is the "run life.bef for N seconds, measure the amount of generated output", which is... pretty bad, as far as benchmarks go. < 1301697049 351762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does Output Integer output a space after like funge-98? < 1301697051 289998 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also here's what ff2 tried to do: http://p.zem.fi/mf5a.c ... it didn't quite turn out well. < 1301697062 382687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's a space. < 1301697118 148137 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301697134 167187 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301697136 862834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just only support 64-bit processors. < 1301697142 242991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the registers :P < 1301697164 636735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for your miniforth? < 1301697179 912597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No X-D < 1301697182 152627 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff3 puts three zeroes underneath the the stack so that it can just do the operation without worrying about the stack, and then fix it up later. (I think it was an optimization in at least some cases.) < 1301697190 75428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat :'( < 1301697205 140768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Feel free to code a compiler for that and maybe I'll start working on it again :P < 1301697205 346109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you've dropped the forth thing or that it's done? < 1301697213 409772 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I shamelessly stole the wrapping thing from mooz, too.) < 1301697221 60692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heck, I'm not even bothering to check at all. < 1301697222 856544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: See above. < 1301697231 630048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: A compiler would probably be pretty easy, but I'm lazy. < 1301697247 185882 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ff1 used to wrap by having a 256x256 playfield and byte-sized ops, but that's pretty slow since it has a huge playfield to walk around in regular-sized programs.) < 1301697257 54878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, "above" is not nearly specific enough for me to look it up < 1301697270 773032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: olsner: Feel free to code a compiler for that and maybe I'll start working on it again :P < 1301697276 928586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right after your "wat". < 1301697281 559257 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for the forth thing < 1301697310 281521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1301697310 465687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might! I don't really know how to do forth though < 1301697326 701965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: All a compiler has to do is allocate a dictionary entry, and then look words up, and append them with either CALL or RET to the dictionary entry. < 1301697339 449062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, technically some words have compile-time semantics. But I think colorForth gets around this. < 1301697342 784401 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, it seems that ff3 has a -DUNSAFE_STACK=1 compile-time option for a no-underflow-checking stack too. (Since I generally don't pop from the empty stack myself.) < 1301697347 49912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no worries, branches can be handled later :P < 1301697356 549128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you make it sound like it's trivial - that would imply that you're stupid < 1301697359 511625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You still break the spec for /. < 1301697363 278174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No - it would imply that I'm lazy. < 1301697384 975324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now to figure out how to do # without breaking my code structure :P < 1301697391 109999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could temporarily overwrite the next command with a nop. < 1301697404 587081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except figuring out the next command is non-trivial, because my delta functions also interpret. < 1301697405 87711 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that too! < 1301697481 447099 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You mean the "won't ask the user for /0" thing? It's not exactly stated in the http://catseye.tc/projects/befunge93/doc/befunge93.html spec, I don't think. Though I admit it would be the more proper thing to do. < 1301697493 362180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It would be SO PROPER < 1301697524 789179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the & spec is so vague < 1301697531 810841 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 spec says Befunge-93 is supposed to ask the user, but I don't think that quite counts as a specified thing. < 1301697549 378220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like C++ spec saying things about what C does. :p < 1301697554 20938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also, is there a way to tell gcc to fill the rest of an array initialised with [x] = y constructs with a certain value? < 1301697578 827803 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a certain value of 0 that's easy. :p < 1301697596 948066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's not 0 :P < 1301697604 894961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does ~ reflect on EOF? < 1301697607 115687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think there's anything else, unfortunately. < 1301697629 350828 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much reflecting going on in the '93 land. < 1301697646 58727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ~ do then, push -1? < 1301697652 371441 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably do that. < 1301697672 626123 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could test against the reference implementation, of course. < 1301697675 628230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS BRANCHES, after all. < 1301697681 405896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although EOF is not guaranteed to be -1. < 1301697813 284856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: According to some talk page nobody, values on the stack should be a "signed long int". < 1301697817 990465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the Befunge-93 documentation. < 1301697820 6945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, by proxy. < 1301697902 146680 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG is written by one guy who also did some things with esolangs too. < 1301698020 772738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hunh, what's this with you supporting diagonal deltas? < 1301698049 982742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I see what you mean with a fluhfluh for every fluhfluh. < 1301698053 852117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it the boring way. < 1301698302 549679 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301698682 150599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do have this benchmark.bef I got from somewhere, but as far as benchmarks go it's alsp pretty poor. Full contents: < 1301698685 261620 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :91+:*-:0`#@ #._ < 1301698730 332568 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least it gets nice performance boost from the boundary-tracking wrapping.) < 1301698746 880227 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sleeptime now.) < 1301699195 936313 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-162.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301699679 10148 :wawawareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301699699 722934 :wawawareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301700961 472250 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061168.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301701137 977739 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129094.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301701341 593439 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is enjoying being locked in his matrix of solidity.
< 1301701357 105921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is hating it with a passion
< 1301701369 256803 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301701377 387110 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so.... Solid! < 1301701881 117170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Enjoy! < 1301701889 160066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, you wanna be LIQUID? Get outta my house. < 1301701899 953778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASEOUS maybe? NO WAIT: oerjan, FREED in his matrix of PLASMOLOGY. < 1301701901 435525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH, RIGHT. < 1301701906 501413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so Emacs Lisp is lexically scoped now. < 1301702107 544389 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I see (defun ...) in Lisp, I think STOP TAKING THE FUN OUT OF MY SUBROUTINES. < 1301702357 472131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Can those kind of things be changed with macros or something like that, so that you can use your own words? < 1301702439 252611 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would rename defun 'addfun'. < 1301702447 95328 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes Lisp FUN! < 1301702474 548407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Links (or any of its variants) at all usable? do the missing features get irksome? < 1301702552 238932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Is there some command in Lisp to rename commands? If there is, then you can use that in your own programs, maybe. < 1301702673 286532 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301702688 903894 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IDK, I haven't gotten that far in my Lisp book i'm reading. I bet it's there, though. I actually dont know much Lisp. < 1301702811 131328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is < 1301702835 919799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ. < 1301702844 981991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it was probably the first language to have a complete meta-programming language built in. < 1301702872 907435 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1301702893 504387 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301703145 944103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi variable < 1301703159 517745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : is Links (or any of its variants) at all usable? do the missing features get irksome? < 1301703167 429159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more usable than lynx, less usable than anything else. < 1301703177 685496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elinks supports slightly more than links I think, but most people seem to prefer links. < 1301703178 426094 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301703183 224298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also links has that graphical mode that can even work on the framebuffer. < 1301703292 466002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real question is "can it run gmail right" < 1301703324 269857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha. < 1301703327 622034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you mean the javascript version? < 1301703330 397767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahaha < 1301703343 880227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know links and variants support js < 1301703349 381169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know which versions < 1301703352 208664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. no. < 1301703356 339949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the latest variants < 1301703359 346738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only telephone in all of hell (local calls only, please). < 1301703363 555737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :links' js engine was removed IIRC < 1301703366 866856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was unsalvagably shit < 1301703376 344456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why don't you want to use a graphical browser, anyway < 1301703379 696248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gmail's html version < 1301703394 328474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i'd give the latter a shot < 1301703399 826822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: why don't you want to use a graphical browser, anyway < 1301703411 72695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to use a mouse < 1301703416 239703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: conkeror. vimperator < 1301703425 337388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both much easier to use w/ kb than links < 1301703432 274344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1301703437 291028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1301703438 192013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering they're designed for it, yes. < 1301703452 744496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conkeror if you want emacs. vimperator if you want vim. < 1301703455 518358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't require me to memorize thousands of keyboard shortcuts do they? < 1301703464 417418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it to be obvious which keys do what < 1301703466 449640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a dozen. < 1301703476 57143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a key is just a single letter. it is impossible for it to be self-documenting. < 1301703478 108819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want dry water. < 1301703492 206648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be obvious < 1301703503 387449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the way irssi maps keys to windows < 1301703512 136875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect intuitive sense < 1301703515 836328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so that's a single numerical selection done. < 1301703518 939603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can only have one of them < 1301703521 894464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be self-documenting, jsut intuitive < 1301703524 514169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not in any way generalise. < 1301703537 83143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive is another word for familiar. you are evidently new to these kinds of browsers. < 1301703544 965590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus apart from the common subset shared with editors, it cannot be intuitive. < 1301703549 542387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same thing < 1301703554 186309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they really are < 1301703564 672471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html < 1301703568 169447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive equals familiar. < 1301703582 228641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are similar concepts, but not the same < 1301703587 282208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same. < 1301703591 168057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: anyway, if you actually want it, learning a dozen or so keys is trivially a sunk cost. < 1301703604 231326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use a browser often, it would be difficult for them not to stick. < 1301703605 915932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive means "there is a ready metaphor for mapping the new ideas to familiar ones" < 1301703613 969261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to already be familiar in themselves < 1301703625 841936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah a dozen doesn't sound bad < 1301703632 660964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html < 1301703638 575562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive equals familiar. < 1301703641 955236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is a ready metaphor ..." = familiar. < 1301703653 361680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep citing that page when i've already told you i disagree with it < 1301703667 218668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i disagree with your use of "equals" < 1301703686 980225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because you responded instantly and therefore have not read it < 1301703693 428297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you would have responded, "I've read that before") < 1301703743 872531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very long. shall i go read it and come back and tell you whether i've changed my mind about disagreeing of your self-proclaimed summary of it? < 1301703745 205804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jef raskin is(/was) pretty much the god of human-computer interaction, so the article is well worth reading < 1301703756 265469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. also, my summary is in fact the title. < 1301703770 711196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is < 1301703774 264280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really expect you'll change your mind as people rarely do, at least not immediately, but *shrug* < 1301703783 217681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i agree with a paper when i disagree with its title? < 1301703843 439776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people will disagree vehemently when they hear "Property is theft!" and on further consideration of Proudhon's words, agree? < 1301703847 17962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say significantly more than zero. < 1301703858 880706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article is to convince you that the title means something, and that that meaning is true < 1301703881 828599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are expected, therefore, to have an open mind about the topic in question for the duration of reading and mentally processing the article. this is how things work, I think. < 1301703987 219965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come ooon, bitcoins! get mined! < 1301703991 113214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CLOSE TO 0.01 < 1301704013 952514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfgg my gpu sucks hard < 1301704021 296777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting like 5.6 megahashes/sec < 1301704029 67362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people with real graphics cards get >300 < 1301704059 362336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can agree with the part where it says "intuitive = uses readily transferred, existing skills." that's almost exactly what i said earlier. < 1301704097 275686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then what is your definition of familiar < 1301704098 363921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19:35: elliott, why do you want to do befunge93? Besides how many fingerprints did you do in your last befunge98 implementation? And did you publish the source anywhere? < 1301704108 586979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wanted to do befunge-93 because I dunno, I felt like I could get it fast. < 1301704134 335752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1301704135 97735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Code/shiro/Shiro/Fingerprints]% l *.hs < 1301704135 269612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOL.hs DIRF.hs EVAR.hs FILE.hs FING.hs MODU.hs NULL.hs REFC.hs ROMA.hs < 1301704139 96612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301704146 474625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of those is incomplete; I forget which.) < 1301704150 362515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope it don't die next time you move to another computer < 1301704158 584906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily add more, but I'm waiting on a monadic epiphany to reduce code clutter. < 1301704162 163276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :familiar means basically "automatic" in my mind. muscle memory. no remapping is needed, because you've done this before, you've got this. < 1301704169 431242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thus I hope you uploaded the source somewhere < 1301704183 674824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how else could it get into mycology? < 1301704187 357073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It still passes Mycology in less than a second. < 1301704197 312685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that would be quicker were I not running that miner. Maybe. < 1301704199 509798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. And? < 1301704203 771969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1301704210 834840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's "known" < 1301704214 904012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, miner? Err? < 1301704241 471993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. i would agree with familiar=known < 1301704248 455057 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301704255 515412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: another computer, it won't. < 1301704265 933980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't uploaded it yet but I will do once I restructure it and add enough to run slowdown.b98. < 1301704272 810217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301704284 546725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll replace the fungespace with that one I was considering to make that go quickly. < 1301704290 873947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by how else could it get into Mycology? < 1301704293 812377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: miner - bitcoins. < 1301704320 37387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301704328 981405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Deewiant's style of funge space? Or your own? < 1301704346 492980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the one Deewiant has now or the one Deewiant wishes he had (k-d tree)? < 1301704360 449406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either actually < 1301704378 391243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on a bounding volume hierarchy type thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounding_volume_hierarchy), because a random Stack Overflow comment said it was usually lighter-weight than k-d trees. Also I /msg'd Deewiant about it and he said it might be suitable. :p < 1301704381 714638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides wasn't k-d to organise the boxes or such? < 1301704393 440729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. But "the boxes" are just flat arrays. < 1301704397 767338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301704408 308081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might go with a quadtree in-between because it's easy. < 1301704413 987508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that'd help with slowdown, much. < 1301704448 72759 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301704453 142570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I'm pretty happy with Shiro as it is; it passes Mycology with flying colours, and quickly; it doesn't leak memory (that I know of); etc. < 1301704463 421920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still less than 4000 lines last I checked. < 1301704468 405231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tried valgrind on it? < 1301704469 717233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including fingerprints.) < 1301704473 89956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh. It's Haskell. < 1301704480 197492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think it'd like the GC. < 1301704485 619500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or anything. < 1301704495 596833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, valgrind can manage with some GCs. It doesn't crash for all... < 1301704507 320967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is shiro now a complete impl of b98? < 1301704510 106631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can >/dev/null with valgrind, right? < 1301704512 945141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it prints to stderr? < 1301704514 983760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, For example, with python's GC it just spews errors, instead of crashing. < 1301704519 959572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's been a complete impl since about day three or four :P < 1301704523 790990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think valgrind goes to stderr yes < 1301704527 513853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even late day two. < 1301704550 647659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, valgrind sure does slow a program down. < 1301704551 765529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, more like mid-morning day three < 1301704555 563089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1301704567 974846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. Early on :) < 1301704575 68565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I should probably do --leak-check=full? < 1301704579 217916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it printed no errors, just summaries. < 1301704582 407505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but anyway, it wouldn't have been that fast without the constant help of Deewiant < 1301704583 499754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "suppressed" 4 from 4, though. < 1301704601 268431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, suppressed is about stuff in libc. < 1301704601 982417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, actually, after I figured out how profiling works most of the optimisation was me. < 1301704605 3364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that one stupid function. < 1301704616 535099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the *compliance* that Deewiant helped shitloads with :P < 1301704625 629682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know how profiling works, I mean, I just didn't know how to get GHC to do it.) < 1301704631 196177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like, strlen optimised because it knows it can access invalid memory as long as it doesn't cross a page boundary < 1301704633 785457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of stuff < 1301704652 526137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It was the *compliance* that Deewiant helped shitloads with :P <-- that is what I meant < 1301704660 504664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant fast, as in fast development < 1301704669 159582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1301704669 334746 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fast as in fast execution < 1301704692 640112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, see, Deewiant is the only person who knows the details of Deewiantfunge-98, which is the language that every Mycology-compliant interpreter implements :P < 1301704712 485805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== 98,964 (384 direct, 98,580 indirect) bytes in 3 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 16 of 16 < 1301704712 687134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== at 0x4C2815C: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:236) < 1301704712 687323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== by 0x593FAE2: __gconv_open (gconv_open.c:197) < 1301704712 687433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== by 0x593F5F1: iconv_open (iconv_open.c:72) < 1301704712 687540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==18138== by 0x4AA0C4: ??? (in /home/elliott/Code/shiro/shiro) < 1301704722 482984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno what that's about. (With --leak-check=full.) < 1301704728 119166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301704728 489153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway: ==18138== Reachable blocks (those to which a pointer was found) are not shown. < 1301704733 173830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the GC keeps a pointer to things. < 1301704740 857227 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301704757 180137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm also pretty sure that garbage can be left un-freed if they escape the GC. Say it's conservative, or the program ends before it gets GC'd. < 1301704762 344973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't trust valgrind much here. < 1301704765 164349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "Deewiantfunge-98" is one of the saner interpretations of the confusing standard. As far as I know the only direct contradiction he makes towards the standard is making t actually work. < 1301704777 616492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also y's interpretation of bounds < 1301704787 888870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you consider the statement that something is useful for something else bound by sanity and taking precedence over the previous line < 1301704794 271815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Nope. The standard contradict itself there. < 1301704797 640792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301704802 287525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't use the same definition of useful as you < 1301704806 789109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, It is said to be suitable iirc? < 1301704811 82514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "useful" < 1301704813 588016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1301704818 317489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's in italics, and written informally, which makes me question its normativity < 1301704826 188217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should ask cpressy next time he shows up < 1301704827 187573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even if you accept it, you have to assume "useful" is used sanely < 1301704837 12602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and binding the Funge-98 standard to sanity is a bad idea :-D < 1301704839 632811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, the whole standard is written pretty informally :P < 1301704851 353987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re: cpressey: I think he's heard enough about Funge-98 for one lifetime :P < 1301704858 945264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And seems to know the spec less well than we do. < 1301704860 56457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1301704865 577049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301704866 132601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as i recall, there was still a major bug past day 7 which prevented it from being called an implementation at all < 1301704877 138587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which bug...? < 1301704886 364707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the "o" thing, yes, that took a little while to fix. < 1301704890 470828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's pretty minor. < 1301704891 409403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :o is optional? < 1301704894 723423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1301704898 931433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what o thing btw? < 1301704902 643531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: text mode, I think. < 1301704908 35608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented o but did it a bit wrongly, because I hadn't bothered to get it right yet. < 1301704910 721210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that one is a PITA < 1301704914 306403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since o is optional, I could flip one bit and everything would be fine :P < 1301704919 320664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in y, and also make o reflect) < 1301704931 804048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and i too I guess < 1301704945 268040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, running slowdown and running fungot are the priorities, in that order. but it's still pending on me figuring out a nice way to express the maybe stacks. < 1301704945 937228 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and are you really interested or are you just rather stuck as to what the point is that using your own macros. at least not for implementing scheme? < 1301704951 191820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, text and binary more in i and o don't correspond at all in functionality :P < 1301704959 370094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: truth. < 1301704959 533450 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: allocate to that result ( i.e., he's probably devoting much more time < 1301704961 553659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *mode < 1301704967 667510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1301704996 659410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think rcfunge is now completely unmaintained < 1301705000 171595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last release april 2010 by susan < 1301705010 20987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely < 1301705010 391823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that cfunge has had a more recent release, admitteldy < 1301705011 687493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*admittedly < 1301705022 346924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever implement that O(1) wrapping? < 1301705035 809665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm nope, forget. Will look at it this weekend. < 1301705056 745183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and then probably get a release out some day soon. The code is pretty stable nowdays. < 1301705064 589178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cheated with that one, spawned a new thread to look into the trivial problem rather than devoting brain cells to it < 1301705074 817266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka: asked my reading-mathematics friend) < 1301705086 849342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just to give him a taste of what his degree will go towards!) < 1301705090 199747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being bugged with trivialities!) < 1301705096 399110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait what? I don't get the context of that line " i cheated with that one, [...]" < 1301705103 235027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the O(1) wrapping < 1301705105 630006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301705119 750000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading is the Posh(tm) term for studying, before you ask < 1301705123 728625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, getting-a-degree-in < 1301705130 947464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what math friend? oerjan? < 1301705140 709321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. not someone in this channel < 1301705143 723966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301705149 426841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's wrong with oerjan? < 1301705150 775736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think oerjan's mathematics got read quite some time ago :D < 1301705157 376542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's true < 1301705158 727473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't trust him to actually do work :D < 1301705172 463744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean he will tell you to do it yourself? < 1301705180 215697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he'll just sulk off. < 1301705183 162349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301705214 646930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I used System.Posix.Env rather than foreign. < 1301705215 943600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how loser of me. < 1301705241 186636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Show fp, Typeable fp, < 1301705241 371450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Typeable (FPGlobalState fp), < 1301705241 575680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Typeable (FPIPState fp), < 1301705241 741505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Show (FPGlobalState fp), < 1301705241 741688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Show (FPIPState fp)) => < 1301705241 906572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fingerprint fp where < 1301705245 554316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1301705258 402908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I used System.Posix.Env rather than foreign. <-- why is that an issue? < 1301705288 487908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows! < 1301705302 936327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301706134 542844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, multics was written in a (relatively) HLL (for the 60s) < 1301706175 415493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, PL/I it seems < 1301706590 828077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: i don't trust him to actually do work :D <-- YOU ARE WISE BEYOND YOUR YEARS. well, sometimes. < 1301706737 699050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in this channel said before that draws occur 50% in cricket. I suppose one way to make draws occur less often is to make the rules changed a bit during the last half hour of play. < 1301706783 121687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do we have someone who actually understand the rules of cricket in here? < 1301706800 816422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was impossible unless you played it < 1301706821 529121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't even watch it < 1301706829 854402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the word "forum" for a BBS dates back to the 60s (multics) < 1301706853 274940 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301706862 106964 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 QUIT :Changing host < 1301706862 272506 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1301706867 624115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, could be 70s < 1301706869 518209 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It isn't impossible. It is just a bit difficult. < 1301706995 506710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ... ... ... I suggest you look up hyperbole in a dictionary. < 1301707092 58475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, multics has similarities to my system < 1301707096 866986 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301707102 103902 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1301707117 579074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What similarities? < 1301707132 677276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many < 1301707179 235301 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a few? < 1301707247 722456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fs/ram unification, use of paging, use of REPL as shell... < 1301707251 164447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"502 Bad Gateway" --mining.bitcoin.cz < 1301707253 606952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the sound of that, nginx < 1301707386 666135 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me what REPL means? < 1301707820 102853 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301708008 393272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Read-Eval-Print-Loop. < 1301708024 450821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (repl) (display (eval (read))) (newline) (repl)) ;; an example (minimal) REPL in scheme < 1301708039 589401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a prompt that lets you input program snippets, have them evaluated, and see the result. < 1301708050 9849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interactive shell is this for the language sh < 1301708098 27255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, algol 68 called a procedure printf. wonder if it does the same as c printf. < 1301708141 715294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, well kinda < 1301708147 90249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a variadic print procedure < 1301708151 546272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1301708153 898949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf (($2l"The sum is:"x, g(0)$, m + n)); ¢ prints the same as: ¢ < 1301708154 104013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :print ((new line, new line, "The sum is:", space, whole (m + n, 0)) < 1301708222 964068 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org NICK :libc\x2Eso < 1301708236 612908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it at now -- $5,000? Hit your limit yet? < 1301708254 461916 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to discuss it in this channel. < 1301708268 179726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301708315 93105 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301708795 634039 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301708950 86973 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301709016 477132 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301709781 442590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:07:15: -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.). < 1301709781 643558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12:58: -!- Sgeo has joined #esoteric. < 1301709786 614025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's a record time for finding christ < 1301709800 411869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could enter the christianlympics < 1301709906 111738 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's addquotable :P < 1301709927 642692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION CACKLES EVILLY AS HE PLACES HIS $5,000 BID
< 1301709935 272233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT WAS ME ALL ALONG < 1301709941 614907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION CACKLES SOME MORE
< 1301709962 143523 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote 00:07:15: -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.). 00:12:58: -!- Sgeo has joined #esoteric. < 1301709964 762661 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you won't addquote it :P < 1301709964 927829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :344) 00:07:15: -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.). 00:12:58: -!- Sgeo has joined #esoteric. < 1301709978 925413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 344 < 1301709979 884096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1301709987 697702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reformatting) < 1301709988 151881 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why? < 1301709990 21472 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1301710012 121654 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see when I said that the baker should support s/// lines? >: ) < 1301710013 306154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. < 1301710015 41281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :344) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. < 1301710026 363795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes there's inconsistency wrt quit vs joined formatting, yes it looks better this way :P) < 1301710027 135124 :wawawareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya < 1301710032 663994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: X_X < 1301710038 629393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: I was gonna do a client plugin for that once :P < 1301710286 686980 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301710302 903780 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1301710306 519609 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the delayed reply < 1301710311 531232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said something? < 1301710312 827294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301710329 37747 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi variable < 1301710332 517184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301710334 181658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1301710336 33538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say anything else < 1301710339 202057 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301710342 510962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301710347 64872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what i was gonna say!!!! < 1301710365 879192 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw: what about w3m vs links? < 1301710372 576560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you just joined < 1301710378 200746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: right. i like w3m a lot. < 1301710382 715731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't really similar to links though. < 1301710388 691521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m is more like lynx that doesn't suck < 1301710394 122155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :links is more like a graphical browser rendered to a tty < 1301710417 374551 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is e.g. a WebKit backend for curses. < 1301710420 20298 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be weird. < 1301710424 276875 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be the best text browser. < 1301710441 646064 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: no. A Presto backend < 1301710467 546788 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Good luck with convincing Opera :P < 1301710487 266950 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301710495 331715 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :best april fools joke today: "The GNOME Project is a community which comes together to make great software. " < 1301710509 366163 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: I wish I had something witty to put here... < 1301710521 67836 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: fine, find, Trident < 1301710526 77793 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine, fine < 1301710532 222997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : best april fools joke today: "The GNOME Project is a community which comes together to make great software. " < 1301710533 272400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :D < 1301710571 249871 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Saying this as somebody who hates Apple and has painful experiences with WebKit, what do you have against WebKit? < 1301710631 239526 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: absolutely nothing < 1301710636 107538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how everyone (programmer) who hates Apple loves WebKit and LLVM, in fact the two seem almost directly correlated :P < 1301710636 273275 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a joke < 1301710642 36614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so angsty! < 1301710652 311628 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hate apple and love webkit and llvm :-p < 1301710659 969730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: see! < 1301710660 526496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :angst! < 1301710681 925260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no opinion on WebKit, although I do use it. And I like the idea of LLVM, but know little about it. Then again, the fact that I rarely actually write code... < 1301710702 354543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE QUICKER, GPU < 1301710705 86404 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have compiled WebKit. Many times. It has done things to me that are horribly inappropriate. < 1301710708 724869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINE MINE MINE < 1301710724 698844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: It's sorry, it's just... it's just... it's just somewhat Sparta *breaks down sobbing* < 1301710737 58222 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, that's v8 :P < 1301710745 544486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S SOMEWHAT SPAAAARTAAAA ;;;__;;;; < 1301710880 425358 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :V8 is twisted < 1301710894 870683 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some insane optimizations - but is completely twisted < 1301710925 200403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define twisted < 1301710958 278771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that js-heavy things are STILL quite slow IRL even with insane things like v8 worries me < 1301710965 548870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what causes it, though < 1301710968 221042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the DOM, nobody likes the DOM < 1301710972 361127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's blame the DOM < 1301711090 528978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the .p2p has turned into the worst proposal evar < 1301711095 572645 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly DOM, rendering and the conversion layers between JS and the real implementation of the DOM. < 1301711105 701623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :central authority (LOL), based on trusting existing CAs (LOL) < 1301711108 848669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Require ownership of the same domain under another tld (like .net,.com,.org)" < 1301711113 478867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and first-come first serve < 1301711114 58055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301711126 48060 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ... the point? < 1301711132 969837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point? to fail < 1301711143 233102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously it was to create a decentralised naming system after the revocation rights were abused < 1301711145 29311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forget in what case) < 1301711150 741725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think it was the wikileaks debacle < 1301711162 531417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no < 1301711164 260293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICANN domain seizures < 1301711164 795551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1301711169 489258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301711171 731066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :US domain seizures < 1301711177 38074 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to own some semi-provocative .xxx domain with totally uninteresting content, just to be the only non-porn domain on .xxx (that doesn't just forward elsewhere) < 1301711177 921869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice typo there < 1301711196 744787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get scholarly-discussion.xxx < 1301711218 493636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnofficialOverclockingEULA = I confirm that I am aware of unofficial overclocking limitations and fully understand that MSI will not provide me any support on it < 1301711220 897827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ BEST SETTING EVER < 1301711226 990214 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, I would get college-action.xxx and then it'll just be a discussion of various scholarly topics. < 1301711237 515611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the character that in vim means "the entire file" (as a range)? < 1301711252 386311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: hot-college-teen-actions: What to do if you're a female college student and just need to cool down! < 1301711258 508634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*action: < 1301711263 516495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, forgot to mention female in there. < 1301711269 755604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot-teen-college-girl-action < 1301711343 225249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So did you find Christ? < 1301711384 901939 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot-christ-on-college-girl-action.xxx // about college students finding Jesus < 1301711452 967176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did find an empty cave... < 1301711463 505338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck-me-jesus-say-wet-lesbian-college-girls: Girls in college, who happen to be lesbian, after a water pistol fight, realise the inaccuracy of their previous beliefs and exclaim "Fuck me -- Jesus!", as an admittance that Jesus is the answer. < 1301711471 167029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xxx < 1301711475 673973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that came out wrong. I did not intend for that to sound serious < 1301711488 85834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: THAT EMPTY CAVE IS JESUS. < 1301711510 431643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: So anyway, about "semi-provocative" :P < 1301711521 21746 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301711533 371511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:JesusOrgy.jpg < 1301711569 766163 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301711668 464753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for ex mode ranges, % < 1301711691 591573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for normal mode, G provided you are at the beginning to start with < 1301711730 630268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i figured it out < 1301711749 554497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 1G if you are at the end < 1301711757 707995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for a visitor < 1301711759 934380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be stately < 1301711764 240136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give an s command that would replace the first letter of a word with F and the remaining letters with U? < 1301711774 857048 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like a lot of the new TLDs. < 1301711787 922222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know vi doesn't support perl regexes, so i'm not sure how to do it < 1301711801 556367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xxx isn't a tld < 1301711819 173010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could replace all with U first, then replace the first with F < 1301711831 631001 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't matter. I still do not like a lot of the new TLDs. < 1301711844 322922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose s/./U/ would do the former. how do i do the latter? < 1301711850 791242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Go up above where .xxx was mentioned in this channel) < 1301711854 965162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like .coop? < 1301711859 551923 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ You don't have port: your domain is deregistered :-) < 1301712404 792765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll use those auto porn detection systems < 1301712412 891837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rig up the _no porn_ output to automatic deregistration < 1301712425 46880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that come up as porn will be forwarded on to agents for... uhhh... double checking < 1301712426 348525 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope so < 1301712439 552622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY A SAFE HAVEN ON THE INTERNET WHERE PORN IS PROTECTED < 1301712449 726238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, same with .museum, since a museum could get .com or .org instead probably (depending on whether the museum is commercial) < 1301712451 574083 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except in india < 1301712457 852543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDIA IS BANNED < 1301712459 330095 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO .com, .net, .org, countries --> no more < 1301712462 332193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they blocking .xxx or something? < 1301712462 890360 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1301712471 859163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that leaves no space for individuals < 1301712473 616694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i find country tlds lame < 1301712481 902574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT they're only ever used to reduce name conflicts < 1301712485 432515 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://thenextweb.com/asia/2011/03/24/india-to-block-xxx-top-level-domain/ < 1301712488 782100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to show idiotic patriotism < 1301712502 88979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give yourself a .me.uk, you move to America, your domain is now silly < 1301712508 585096 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IMHO country TLDs are basically for the government sites. I don't even want to see .co.uk or whatever < 1301712515 456485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your corporation gets a .fi, expands to become international, your domain is now silly < 1301712518 11271 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are useful for localization < 1301712528 628741 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I prefer the http headers for that < 1301712531 479284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you create patriotismhooray.us, you put waving american flag gifs on it, I hate you < 1301712538 236168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: agreed wrt headers < 1301712541 973679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they suck for users < 1301712546 583775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody knows about them < 1301712548 85650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the UI is hidden < 1301712556 268348 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the interface needs to expose a "pick a language for this site" < 1301712559 480696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301712570 329050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: anyway, I would also add some personal TLD < 1301712572 530944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd have to be non-lame < 1301712584 37710 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: personal tld? ie for random people? < 1301712584 299191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.me is supremely lame (and yet another cctld abuse), .name is also lame < 1301712589 330835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of the first.last.name thing < 1301712591 34303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just idiotic < 1301712596 635132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: for people in general < 1301712605 197422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't organisations, corporations or ISPs < 1301712605 362535 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .me is fine < 1301712611 428726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but .me is really cheesy. < 1301712624 540180 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I want to see the TLD meanings enforced though < 1301712635 993866 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie corps CAN'T get a .me name < 1301712638 213763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Meh -- I don't like TLDs much < 1301712641 216808 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .org is meant for NFPs < 1301712641 410323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does there exist a series of regex subsitutions that takes a string like "what the hell was elliott talking about?" and make it be "TROL OLO LOLO LOL OLOLOLO LOLOLOL OLOLOL" < 1301712647 178162 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or related types < 1301712657 810147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fuck.me ? < 1301712659 262918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OpenNIC are also pretty bad -- the things they use TLDs for are not what they should be used for, with the possible (maybe) exception of .null and .glue. Maybe even .micro. But all of them ought to be reduced to three letters, and .micro should be registered as subdomains for countries and then subdomains of those as the normal domains, so all .micro would need at least three parts of the domain name instead of two. < 1301712663 793075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: they're really just Yet Another attempt to impose a Great Ontology of Everything < 1301712671 551170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which never works and never will or can work < 1301712692 862464 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't necc. like a hierarchical system. But can you provide a different unique identifier per "site" ? < 1301712697 906340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION biCYCles on elliott's head
< 1301712707 260081 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't reduce to a hash or other non-rememberable thing) < 1301712710 452596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm not sure. I'm also not sure you need to or want to. < 1301712714 948142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Naming is very, very hard. < 1301712721 751178 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a gopher service too, but gopher is the protocol, it doesn't belong in the TLD. < 1301712724 453642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naming is possibly the hardest thing in systems. < 1301712739 616305 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the two hardest things in computer science are naming things, cache invalidation, and off-by-one errors < 1301712744 220764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yes yes yes :P < 1301712745 299917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so, you'd be opposed to gmail.email ? < 1301712747 128096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1301712753 184842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But naming is the hardest by far (for systems and not actual programming). < 1301712759 310408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. I would be opposed to that too. < 1301712762 641344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, while I'm not a complete decentralisation nut like some people, I do find DNS worrying. < 1301712794 206544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wikipedia.http < 1301712804 680764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, squaring Zooko's triangle is still something I think about on a regular basis. < 1301712814 107465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegalbooks.ftp < 1301712814 661991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko seems quite promising. < 1301712838 470922 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm follow DNS and related constructs very closely (IETF mailing lists, NANOG, DNS-operations, etc) I find the discussion very interest < 1301712850 465341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yeah, I'm not the type to follow mailing lists religiously though. < 1301712853 782727 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The protocol does not belong in the TLD. If you have multiple computers on the network with different protocols, use the leftmost part to indicate the protocol, not the rightmost part. < 1301712854 233392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :espresso.coffee < 1301712873 185235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im-a-teapot.coffee < 1301712875 587176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In @, a global name would actually just reference an object, and you only really ever need one: past that, you can handle your own naming to your heart's content. Of course the same applies to DNS. < 1301712895 537520 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed. the TLDs are just namespace reduction devices < 1301712900 619608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in @ I'm pretty sure the naming system would just be a (bidirectional) map of name to object hash. (Object hash retrieval is a separate concern.) < 1301712903 216549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is allocating this map. < 1301712909 728108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And distributing it. < 1301712921 844601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you might want to read that blog post, it's very interesting < 1301712928 515054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how is BitCoin human-meaningful? < 1301712946 280334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what Knuth said about naming things in computer science, in writing programs, is look in a thesaurus if you need help. < 1301712958 988028 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "dynamically translating between different possible kinds of names." --> this is how phonebooks work < 1301712961 986137 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, BitCoin is meaningful for experimental purposes only. < 1301712968 885220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I do not mean the article on zooko's triangle :P < 1301712972 59967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I mean http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko < 1301712976 753369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's not really the same as a phonebook I don't think < 1301712983 13896 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: similar idea < 1301712989 527697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bitcoin can be and is traded for real-world currency and goods < 1301712995 502293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not really < 1301713000 15107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sgeo: bitcount is based on very unsound economics < 1301713002 818205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I don't think anyone's proposed this before bitcoin < 1301713005 860657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it is not < 1301713009 303266 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* economics < 1301713010 43832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin is perfectly sound < 1301713041 518502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yes, is one thing I mean. BitCoin is good for experimental purposes. < 1301713045 174225 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, I don't mean the economics part, although I'd be interesting in you describing how it's unsound. I'm more thinking how anyone thinks BitCoin has anything to do with human-meaningful names < 1301713048 935690 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reading that blog post < 1301713063 810074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do respond about bitcoin, though < 1301713182 623408 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't have the time to defend myself right now, but the basic idea is that early adopters get a uncatchable advantage in event of a sudden increase in number of users < 1301713194 269001 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301713202 240974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: please don't make such strong statements if you won't defend them. < 1301713206 27291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really bad for the discourse. < 1301713224 703556 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll defend it in a couple of days (ask me after monday) < 1301713231 549444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Anyway, that is not really true at all: if you mean because mining gets harder and then ends, mining isn't the most efficient way to get bitcoins at all. < 1301713251 510802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths? < 1301713254 892855 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301713264 837072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a yes to my have you read? it was quite quick. < 1301713273 612639 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I have read that before < 1301713290 86207 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm repeating the conclusion section of articles in economics journals < 1301713302 428479 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the reasoning to a basic extent < 1301713313 800088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: There are plenty of articles making plenty of conclusions in plenty of journals. < 1301713335 825287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you truly have discovered a fatal flaw in Bitcoin, I'm sure the developers would love to know about it, but I very much doubt it. < 1301713341 570757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or if they have.) < 1301713349 946912 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: these flaws are not 'fatal' flaws < 1301713364 99558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "based on very unsound economics". < 1301713375 647723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are based on very unsound things don't tend to be salvageable. < 1301713380 368078 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I should have said: 'possibly based on unsound ...' < 1301713390 110988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I would disagree :) < 1301713424 234865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's getting a bit too close to conspiracy theories for me to state this without implicit quotes, but it has to be said that the kind of people who write in economics journals _might_ have slightly vested interests. < 1301713427 30962 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are other issues relating to fraud and such (as in securities fraud, not "I have a fake bitcoin" fraud) < 1301713431 507770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this should not affect the validity of the raw logic itself. < 1301713465 517276 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. Ask me after monday and I'll fully defend myself (or at least my understanding of the original author's argument) < 1301713474 108421 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I *could* be wrong < 1301713482 588898 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding of economics is minimal < 1301713485 560178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't know < 1301713499 356806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only advantage early adopters of bitcoin have is that they can mine faster and more, and in a wider view, they are the only ones who can mine at all. But considering the real-world cash exchanges, the fact that you can buy substantial real-world goods with bitcoins (albeit not very commonly), and the fact that some people will even pay you for freelancing work in bitcoins (but again rarely), and I < 1301713499 550646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that mining is irrelevant in the long-run. < 1301713518 764184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think bitcoin is any more subject to securities fraud than any other currency. < 1301713521 225128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's my initial statement. < 1301713534 673195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I have a vested interest too as a miner is currently hogging up my utterly terrible GPU, but :) < 1301713574 559689 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1301713578 344547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: So we're on the same page, can you agree that if Bitcoin was, in your opinion, not flawed in the economic thing, it would be a Very Good Thing? < 1301713627 91143 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would still like the diversity that having multiple currencies gives (in event that something *does* happen) but in general I would agree that it is a Good Thing < 1301713642 137574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, certainly, more currencies is a good thing. < 1301713653 706914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they should have to compete :-) < 1301713675 831023 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tracing a coin's history can be used to connect identities to addresses. More info. " ---> this is also a major issue < 1301713694 702801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is possibly an impressive feat of cognitive dissonance to maintain slightly left-wing economic opinions and support bitcoin which is a very libertarian system; I haven't decided yet.) < 1301713719 343550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's true, but it is not as big a deal as it seems < 1301713726 698066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: for one, you can use a new address for every transaction if you wish < 1301713740 696777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: for two, you can avoid creating a new record by agreeing with the receiver to not pay the (optional) transaction fee < 1301713763 43699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: and three, if you really want to break any record, just convert it to another currency and back < 1301713773 986186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "While the Bitcoin technology can support strong anonymity, the current implementation is usually not very anonymous." < 1301713774 335206 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been described as a libertarian - but I disagree with some, but not all, libertarian views < 1301713788 893806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a supporter of taxes :-p < 1301713790 414459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:-P < 1301713814 144068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Less ridiculously stated, I'm a supporter of public services, which require funds.) < 1301713817 663812 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anarchy != librarian < 1301713825 472439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANARCHY IS A LIBRARIAN < 1301713828 149455 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Librarian? < 1301713828 643221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN THE LIBRARIAN REVOLUTION < 1301713834 818879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOKS WILL SET US FREE!!!! < 1301713838 192186 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: blame aspell < 1301713845 905727 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*libertarian < 1301713847 581791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I never said libertarianism was anarchy. < 1301713851 375893 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I support *some* public services < 1301713855 980650 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1301713862 230622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: But libertarians definitely oppose large (to them) taxes. < 1301713871 732791 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which public services? < 1301713874 625720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: do you support single-payer healthcare? (to use the common term) < 1301713919 576709 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: libertarians oppose unneeded taxes, but anarchists say 'taxes are wrong' (or many of them do) < 1301713943 374501 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-payer healthcare -> basically no < 1301713948 983866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: the line is often blurred. consider those who desire no taxes but those which are required to support a police force < 1301713953 239156 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my view is somewhat nuanced < 1301713958 923923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or in ridiculous cases, a police force that somehow requires no taxes) < 1301713962 885220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ofc these are idiots) < 1301713967 81938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does not paying a transaction fee leave anything off the record? < 1301713980 576163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: then we disagree on a basically fundamental level. < 1301713986 223554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I doubt that is reconcilable < 1301713994 162625 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably < 1301714001 138092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive my cynicism but i've forgotten, what country do you originate from? < 1301714006 229249 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :united states < 1301714011 423765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive my cynicism again, but I'm not surprised < 1301714197 262818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "the power has been shifted into your own hands. Fraud will always exist. It's up to you to only send bitcoins to trusted entities" --> another issue. In the real world people routinely have to deal with untrusted entities < 1301714216 551571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate new address, send bitcoin to whoever, never use it again < 1301714223 203507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: also: escrow < 1301714250 578294 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terrorists fly aircrafts into buildings, but the governments have not yet abolished consumer air travel. " --> false in the US :-) < 1301714260 739575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur hur < 1301714277 345678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now air travel only for the molested < 1301714280 349221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a kind service < 1301714291 578114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not molested? No problem! They take care of that for you before you get on the plane. < 1301714323 766911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should move somewhere that isn't the UK so I can have my European superiority generator working honestly < 1301714346 577985 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1301714354 733840 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would love to link in the .eu
< 1301714358 221586 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*live < 1301714370 895374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://example.eu < 1301714402 478219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice place. What with our universal healthcare and all OH BURN < 1301714452 706406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Problem with .eu is, colder it is, nicer it is :P < 1301714462 891757 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: .ru is the nicest ? < 1301714463 241905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes warmth
< 1301714467 533109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you get to Finland, where the coldness actually causes every personality to freeze and become stone cold. < 1301714483 65025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after a step into Russia, it gets so cold that everyone becomes insane. < 1301714532 841051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts elliott in Antarctica
< 1301714535 97901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this miner is a horrible reminder of how pitiful my gpu is :( < 1301714599 145705 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.an Dissolved as of October 10, 2010 :-( < 1301714623 411316 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.aq Antarctica --> WOW < 1301714667 759732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antarctica is awesome < 1301714721 386958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: also: With no population, there is no indigenous economic activity. The islands' only natural resource is fish; the Australian government allows limited fishing in the surrounding waters.[19] Despite the lack of population, the islands have been assigned the country code HM in ISO 3166-1 (ISO 3166-2:HM) and therefore the Internet top-level domain .hm. The timezone of the islands is UTC+5.[20] < 1301714723 138369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard island < 1301714732 345500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hm: BEST DOMAIN EVER? < 1301714735 719072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TLD < 1301714752 203949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ http://praise.hm/ < 1301714763 330865 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1301714774 678359 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although .aq competes with .hm < 1301714779 929872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browser not working, is that link to an actual site? < 1301714796 607451 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how I register a .hm domain ? < 1301714819 686798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.registry.hm/ < 1301714825 514209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$35/yr < 1301714836 852943 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION registers ham.hm
< 1301714838 192134 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301714846 656683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.hm < 1301714875 258767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I once wanted to write a script to query all single letter domains dot two-letter ccTLD names, and then filter out the registered ones, the ones that show as "invalid", and then manually filter out the ones with a minimum length polic < 1301714876 815032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*policy < 1301714893 629633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I firmly believe it is possible to register a three-letter-plus-dot domain name today, just very difficult to find one < 1301714903 470526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know .st make a big deal about charging a lot for shorter ones < 1301714907 139829 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do it < 1301714913 987887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you can get a single-letter one for $9999999999/yr < 1301714926 319920 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: algorit.hm < 1301714929 449021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: after bit.ly had to censor things because of sharia law, I've soured to the idea of domain hacks. < 1301714944 83754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bit.ly censored stuff? < 1301714948 37471 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o.hm < 1301714955 545231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.hm < 1301714955 886107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there was talk of it - duno if they actually did < 1301714962 315415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish.hm < 1301714972 465860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill.hm < 1301714981 905697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.uh.hm < 1301714994 32903 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would get o.hm - but I don't want to spend $35 < 1301715005 227423 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :per year (cause I'd keep it) < 1301715011 601303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be longer < 1301715012 708925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked < 1301715014 157074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deceptionisland.aq ;; COOLEST NAME FOR AN ISLAND ON COOLEST TLD < 1301715021 17274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately requires www. for website, LESSENING THE AWESOME) < 1301715033 679486 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it requires a WWW ? < 1301715037 162961 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1301715046 103276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they set up their dns badly, presumably < 1301715071 760249 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a cool domain name I could use for an IRC cloak :-p < 1301715079 711264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a hcl.aq ? < 1301715097 148913 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :.aq is restricted to governments and people with a physical presence < 1301715195 18047 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Educational and scientific institutions operating in the region served by the HM domain are entitled to free registration of an appropriately selected domain name. < 1301715196 951701 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1301715211 745794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christian URL shorteners. What's next, Christian Linux distros? < 1301715220 809669 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets up an educational Institute
< 1301715238 40625 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not next, before: Ichthux < 1301715247 768338 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301715247 768472 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301715250 982569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1301715252 902708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, I had Ubuntu Christian Edition in mind, actually < 1301715253 874287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2 < 1301715256 827536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test3 < 1301715259 144427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1301715280 736839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, technically my code will hang for a bit if the server sends a partial line then waits for ages to complete < 1301715282 37966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who does that < 1301715284 715999 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like your last quit message? < 1301715293 891292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: IN THE REGION < 1301715302 639974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: good luck living on an uninhabited island :D < 1301715318 400321 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "a virtual online system to learn about the .hm region" < 1301715319 940357 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1301715323 561754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1301715350 658428 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and when you go their the page is empty < 1301715359 731538 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is a listing of the inhabitants < 1301715360 857577 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301715366 818214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this white page adequately represents the appearance of these islands" < 1301715370 839170 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* go there < 1301715382 77147 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301715397 768752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if it is not white on your computer, please adjust your browser settings for optimum results." < 1301715400 597651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers grabbing an Ubuntu SE wallpaper
< 1301715406 780494 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: reminds me of purple.com < 1301715411 833505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :purple.com is awesome < 1301715425 423679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a subdomain where the guy had actual stuff on, but THE MYSTERY REMAINS < 1301715433 545481 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know the guy < 1301715439 100960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha really? < 1301715440 47781 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guys < 1301715442 66254 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1301715446 363879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he actually uses purple in the faq < 1301715451 175221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i went on a mission to find it :P < 1301715454 217266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*purple.com < 1301715454 773793 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which subdomain did you find ?) < 1301715473 352461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1301715476 477021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just had some photos or something < 1301715478 696276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been a path < 1301715480 606083 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301715482 661346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some mountain or another :P < 1301715493 213586 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fav thing is his donation page < 1301715493 421593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the purple itself to be an inadequate purple on my display, however < 1301715506 153304 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANTS A GOOD DOMAIN NAME < 1301715508 786778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering suing < 1301715524 870403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.purple.com/availability.html < 1301715528 656879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: goalse.cx < 1301715532 846830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to lease purple.com < 1301715534 765485 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: support personnel often use purple.com because its easy to say over the phone < 1301715545 764994 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fast loading < 1301715548 353246 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rarely down < 1301715550 163533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: don't you mean: competent support personnel < 1301715562 569296 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *sigh* yes < 1301715568 594173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :always qualify tiny subsets :-P < 1301715577 486095 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on IRC I'm not very precise < 1301715583 947361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISENESS IS MANDATORY < 1301715596 324528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this channel doesn't wear you out how will we ever weed the oldbies out < 1301715601 304108 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks elliott with trout
< 1301715609 203962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has only lasted with his age with extended use of sarcasm < 1301715610 104855 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this channel is with ##cs should be < 1301715624 671220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for ##cs set by Quadrescence at Tue Nov 30 19:18:07 2010 < 1301715631 316176 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated - do you guys give cloaks - I want something other than unaffiliated) < 1301715632 55512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god Quadrescence stopped bothering us. < 1301715640 700055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: we're not a group afaik :P < 1301715645 16107 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe < 1301715651 825675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: we might have trouble registering as one, because we don't reaaally own the term esoteric < 1301715656 804100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we worked out we have a pretty good claim < 1301715663 336194 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't matter - you have the esolong wiki < 1301715667 677634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang, but not esoteric < 1301715669 749838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esolang is ugly :-P < 1301715679 783178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, were this channel created today it would be ##esoteric. thank god it wasn't, because ## is ugly. < 1301715680 886562 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: same idea. I could do for you guys if you want < 1301715687 66235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ops have to register it? < 1301715694 396824 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually yeah < 1301715698 923889 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably +F < 1301715702 258195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Information on ##cs: < 1301715702 442423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Founder : dixon < 1301715703 246224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1301715708 642083 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no wait < 1301715709 464390 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lied < 1301715712 254138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dixon is Quadrescence's other moronic troll friend. < 1301715712 418340 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks self
< 1301715718 63991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hardly surprised ##cs is a shithole < 1301715722 113137 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ops *don't* have to register < 1301715730 162185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but you could be posing as us < 1301715732 381904 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as long as you have control of the website < 1301715740 125818 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you a token to put on < 1301715740 682981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have control of "the esoteric website" though :D < 1301715755 421177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Registered : Jan 03 01:30:22 2003 (8 years, 13 weeks, 0 days, 02:11:51 ago) < 1301715760 275307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i swear we were registered in 2006 a while ago < 1301715762 592481 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you want to go through with this I could talk to the opers < 1301715762 757575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some DB got merged < 1301715767 528636 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know a bunch of them < 1301715778 234383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: well it's not my decision to make really < 1301715785 714765 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you == #esoteric < 1301715787 737383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with my cloak... but a nice domain name is nicer than a nice cloak :P < 1301715798 936215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hmm, i can think of at least seventy people who would balk at that statement < 1301715802 121389 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fing fire alwrm < 1301715806 994332 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away
< 1301715813 509935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. always bothering us about fires and shit. < 1301715817 594939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say let it burn, i'm busy ircing! < 1301715847 894136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever useful in cricket, to sacrifice a wicket by handling the ball or in any other way? < 1301715849 666433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jeff.purple.com/ oh here we go. < 1301715852 235956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah google finds this trivially. < 1301715872 62667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that guy's photo is freaking me out argh get back on < 1301715972 612715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.purple.com/index2.html, done googlestalking now :-P < 1301716063 415457 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm happy with my cloak... but a nice domain name is nicer than a nice cloak :P // I AGREE lololol*runs* < 1301716080 654270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :says gregor, guy who doesn't even run an identd for a nicer prefix < 1301716092 292539 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure it out *sobblecopter* < 1301716113 915316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run a fake one that only works for you < 1301716122 466125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1301716124 129113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read line < 1301716129 70228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$line : USERID : UNIX : Gregor" < 1301716135 1567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put in inetd for whatever the ident port is < 1301716140 455005 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301716173 193081 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301716187 718444 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but then e.g. glogbot couldn't have "glogbot" as its ident ... it'd be nice to have an identd that any process could say "dear identd: Please lie for me in this way" :P < 1301716198 824436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Yes, but it'd be better than what you have :P < 1301716204 796365 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1301716211 444996 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301716217 583789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: There's one identd that just responds with the user that initiated the TCP connection in question. < 1301716225 616481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a domain name too but the reverse DNS doesn't work so instead it displays the service provider, which, I suppose, can sometimes be useful in case the country I live is important for some case (which usually isn't, though). < 1301716226 101590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://skarnet.org/software/minidentd/index.html < 1301716233 536617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those djb-freak /package dealies though, so YMMV :) < 1301716243 854876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that it'd be hard to move out.) < 1301716255 963781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, well, I think you do need ucspi-tcp. Maybe.) < 1301716269 603224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, there's also the http://smarden.org/ipsvd/ clone :-P < 1301716337 218555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am deciding to use LodePNG for my program. Have any of you ever used LodePNG, or libpng or some other libraries for loading/saving pictures, in your program? Which ones? < 1301716410 572227 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses floating point only for deciding Huffman encoding, so there is nothing that would cause different pictures input/output on different computers. < 1301716466 173747 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301716837 301690 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301716853 280213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301716860 904431 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed nullidentd, it got the auth response, but it sent "foobar" instead of "Gregor" as I specified as an argument >_< < 1301716871 579177 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foobar being the brilliant default) < 1301716896 420432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: You don't need a piece of software for a two-line shell script X_X < 1301716933 607311 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how to do an inetd line :P < 1301716998 442755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1301717000 196979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--/etc/inetd.conf < 1301717127 168039 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some jackass pulled the alarm < 1301717149 473473 :libc\x2Eso!~Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1301717162 31033 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways: are you personally interested in the group, if yes, do you think it would be a good idea to get this going? < 1301717183 600015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really personally interested, but I'm not opposed :P < 1301717185 118766 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301717190 524041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: didn't work < 1301717192 367406 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest15127 < 1301717194 427836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* libc\x2Eso (~Gregor@codu.org) has joined #esoteric < 1301717201 133092 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301717203 207267 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doublewtf < 1301717219 187721 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who would be 'in charge'? those with ops? < 1301717219 767392 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did I actually register libc\x2Eso? X-D < 1301717231 880026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest15127: just trolling, it worked < 1301717233 196682 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest15127: hehe < 1301717236 527180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Nobody? < 1301717241 68782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301717241 441615 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ha < 1301717255 275865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I guess fizzie and oerjan. lament is absentee. < 1301717258 695061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1301717263 341061 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will talk to them
< 1301717269 667278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define them < 1301717277 568692 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and lament ? < 1301717281 142441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is probably too lazy to get anything out of ;D < 1301717299 682592 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1301717303 66898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TELL LAMENT HE'LL BAN EVERYONE < 1301717314 144948 :Guest15127!Gregor@codu.org NICK :libc\x2Eso < 1301717410 496602 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hrm? < 1301717411 63211 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coyote finally caught me" // well bip, that is one unique default quit message :P < 1301717427 894880 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :who had that message? < 1301717440 335758 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... me :P < 1301717446 485774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All default quit messages should be as embarrassing as possible < 1301717455 506494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor has quit (WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOORESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS) < 1301717463 769845 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: mine are "/dev/io failed" "I found 1 in /dev/zero" and "overflow in /dev/null" for quit, part, away < 1301717484 76038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor has quit (USER HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED FOR BEING A TERRIBLE PERSON) < 1301717510 345939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just type the quit message every time instead of having it in a macro. < 1301717525 543099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I not surprised. < 1301717578 218007 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301717701 620504 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I like to make it not always the same message. < 1301717743 713824 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Quit: Later < 1301718033 380907 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301718222 673257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a array with values 0 to 255 and you need to convert values in that array according to a calculation, is it more efficient to do the calculation every time or to store the results in a lookup table? < 1301718244 563155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precalculated lookup table < 1301718259 819886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is what I thought, good, OK. < 1301718961 713825 :aloril_!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301719067 485477 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301719208 867896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wil wheaton looks a bit moldy indeed < 1301719624 683245 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301720555 143913 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301721053 657234 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301721064 285000 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301721139 334939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on webifying and simplifying LodePNG. LodePNG has even been converted to D, and then maybe they can also put the port to CWEB listed there too. < 1301721491 305483 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301721897 570922 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301722296 272642 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1301722298 853058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, wil wheaton looks a bit moldy indeed < 1301722308 805602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as much as that seducer of unwilling cats < 1301722579 117763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at his page, he didn't have many mold < 1301722637 780388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The supervisor for CTSS, the early 1960s predecessor system to Multics, had been written almost entirely in the 7094 assembly program, FAP." < 1301722644 328216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i can see this document is going to be a lot of fun < 1301722951 438354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this document makes me want to go back to the late 60s < 1301722983 896322 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fap fap fap fap fap < 1301723029 570718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: YOU GOT THE JOKE < 1301723048 480085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: afaict mold is over now < 1301723054 712460 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a joke elliott < 1301723066 768269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I looked before it ended < 1301723071 363873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1301723071 528096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had like 2 < 1301723087 956351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION backs slowly away from lament into a pile of FAP
< 1301723185 357424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An idiotic structure was one that contained an array that began at a different place in the machine word for every element: he actually found that the Known Segment Table had a 37-bit array declared in it, requiring the compiler to generate many instructions to advance from one element to another." < 1301723187 243629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301723809 578893 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the late 60s were a good time for fapping indeed < 1301723968 165175 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHC migratiön tö Git cömplété" indeed < 1301723976 121655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently dons didn't escape :D < 1301724041 672341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he has about 500 mold trophies, though < 1301724048 113876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I_RAPE_CATS) < 1301724062 300651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the late 60s were a good time for fapping indeed < 1301724066 748 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably the effect just wore off somehow < 1301724066 166361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd know. wait do you know? < 1301724072 647770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're actually old enough :( < 1301724073 813230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was possible to escape, apparently < 1301724075 913107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, mold spores wear off < 1301724089 755700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a thread in /r/basement for escaping < 1301724100 990578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really old enough, i'd be in the womb < 1301724127 251183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well get out of there already! < 1301724139 45872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, just after the late 60s < 1301724151 16479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO SLOW < 1301724171 382790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so you only got born in like 1970? :/ < 1301724173 48870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite lame < 1301724175 92149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably ba < 1301724175 478858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1301724176 420380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301724177 900804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1301724181 426550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner got born in like 2002 < 1301724189 327107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you know, fuck him < 1301724240 917190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/aDJMG.jpg ;; STAY CLASSY, SUN < 1301724251 564978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the progression from houses to cats is a very serious one. < 1301724259 189374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they included a picture of hitler for comparison. < 1301724265 472615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i swear that house is wearing a beret < 1301724417 110754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet oerjan wears a beret < 1301724490 380157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear his silence? < 1301724495 75319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the silence of a beret-wearer. < 1301724595 701809 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pats olsner on the head
< 1301724604 139355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's stupid isn't he :D < 1301724628 263611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/basement/comments/ggq6i/if_som3on3_miss3s_mold_and_r3ads_our_history/ all this is doing is reminding me i still need to finish binging homestuck... < 1301724664 329275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall wearing a beret, ever. but then there is a lot i cannot recall. < 1301724677 884643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sad < 1301724732 606782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adloft houstler < 1301724766 780370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will you stop coming here oerjan < 1301724770 752584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're 65? < 1301724833 589567 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't plan that far ahead. < 1301724846 757915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL YOU STILL BE HERE WHEN YOU'RE 82 < 1301724855 28832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1301724870 479993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 2052! < 1301724873 546056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL IRC EVEN EXIST THEN < 1301724897 545318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just made oerjan feel good about his age :DDDDD < 1301724905 886493 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's at least hope the replacement is not a step backward < 1301724927 891775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there a pun in there < 1301724934 870405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of < 1301724952 624871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well maybe it'll be post-singularity. < 1301724964 338935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'll just sort of hook up our minds to each other in a big circle. like /r/circlejerk, but /r/circle...MIND < 1301724967 168639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you FEELING my VIBE < 1301724988 718577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and we have to ban certain people lest it become an _actual_ circlejerk < 1301725004 387222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fucking yorick < 1301725011 494272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't control him < 1301725099 224993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for his 512th birthday, we'll buy oerjan a digital scan of a vintage 2010 computer running the lost compiler of GHC < 1301725125 835709 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is now doing a few leaps to notice that "kline" is norwegian for making out < 1301725132 190268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe you actually had to type out every single letter you wanted to say to the computer then like a baby, haha < 1301725166 37670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm trying to think of a suitably joking reply < 1301725252 83509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that might be hard < 1301725283 970648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eine kline nachtmusik < 1301725310 681604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music of the night indeed < 1301725371 262647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many non-moldy Redditors think we should get trophies for our profiles that say "I Survived the Plague"?" < 1301725373 95902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this #2 < 1301725376 400497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1301725421 560118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, if you don't upvote my comment in http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ggu2r/ghc_migrati%C3%B6n_t%C3%B6_git_c%C3%B6mpl%C3%A9t%C3%A9/, the smilies will win < 1301725425 628134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you have no account < 1301725427 319042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL GET ONE < 1301725427 543692 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen anyone who was _killed_ by the plague yet... < 1301725446 1831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed not. but let's just say that I_RAPE_CATS will never rape again. < 1301725453 180869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1301725475 380766 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a sad thing, to be bereft of your life mission < 1301725698 499786 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301725918 781457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently emacs's april fools joke was that it wasn't a joke? < 1301725952 256050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it... < 1301725991 51767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't < 1301725995 920253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lexical scoping is still off for files by default < 1301725999 966686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not _really_ lexically scoped yet < 1301726015 116313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SUBTLETIES, VIM USER < 1301726080 85244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1301726099 295565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301726128 839657 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's f*u* okay) < 1301726421 607694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was wondering why it sounded so uncharacteristic < 1301726430 565201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's message memory, like homeopathy < 1301726475 528405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact i usually use O KAY might _possibly_ have something to do with it... < 1301726566 710957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, O KAY is getting kinda obnoxious at this point :D < 1301726637 148377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's _meant_ to be, silly < 1301726766 179039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but no really stop it, child. < 1301726782 351447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION aimed that right at oerjan's offence lobe
< 1301726854 347235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :< < 1301726917 693471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my offence lobe exploded from overloading years ago < 1301726935 250826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say your FACE looked like a puddle? < 1301726941 359290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that was my conscience lobe < 1301726954 463438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conscientious objectificator < 1301726969 468243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION captures elliott and applies tickle torture
< 1301726981 735815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's illegal < 1301726987 411484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prev < 1301726989 75110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301726992 461992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well typing is going < 1301726999 977265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next < 1301727008 995343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a nxet too < 1301728494 961578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1301728496 126759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfiosdhjoihiogjiogskrfglf < 1301728539 223402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good day to you, sir < 1301728546 524101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)))))) < 1301728548 600950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to sleep soon < 1301728549 341685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell < 1301728582 776598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to check your data < 1301728593 493755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did you just get up? < 1301728595 784445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like < 1301728597 839432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the last N hours < 1301728604 454243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither < 1301728604 619583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes scribbles on teletyped data
< 1301728609 727657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typewritered < 1301728611 373580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: midday? < 1301728617 723939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scrumples up paper, throws in bin
< 1301728753 948741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :late afternoon, perhaps < 1301728778 72054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOUR MEASUREMENTS ARE HAYWIRE < 1301728787 186078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS EXPECTED < 1301729188 459569 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301730029 639431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301730622 8406 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301730939 592100 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301730986 611056 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301731711 463129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301732077 31962 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301732617 580341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301733346 956381 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301733428 746504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301733808 875460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301734320 772696 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301739549 827800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301739660 856949 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1301739666 869198 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301740662 170112 :cheater99!~cheater@e181135247.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301740702 671039 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061168.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301742687 815916 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301744062 753423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301745364 957767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301745544 874376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, webcomics in French are the most ridiculous thing. < 1301745883 77922 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301746071 551345 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301747064 834377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webomics are tools of Satan! < 1301747093 448786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially 1/0! The author compares himself to God! < 1301747332 826363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where you found God? < 1301747352 500953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301747370 350130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why *were* you looking for him in the first place?) < 1301747430 156265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he has Alzheimers'. Could injure himself, so much power but not a functioning mind. Probably why he stopped doing miracles. < 1301747440 262677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to find him before he hurts himself and the world < 1301747452 760349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send him to an old god's home. < 1301747650 454947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome: It should not take forever to load a file that's on my hard drive < 1301747682 995513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also are you still trying to learn boring maths? < 1301747761 188599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On hold for the moment < 1301748900 796499 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301749798 658752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301749807 901503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Vorpal was offline? < 1301749812 349513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's *never* offline. < 1301749820 897648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...Vorpal was offline? <-- it's called power outage :P < 1301749827 715008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's like some horrifying vision, always at the edge of your perception. < 1301749835 207991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1301749914 873332 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301750692 225743 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-116-66.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301750709 930579 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301750762 487943 :Guest27586!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301750766 596287 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi^^ < 1301750772 138557 :Guest27586!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301750885 224162 :Guest27586!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com NICK :Thunfish < 1301751089 422594 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301751092 192493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the matrix of solidity. < 1301751142 494520 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you^^ < 1301751188 608817 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301751232 118824 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301751394 476156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ELISP is now lexically scoped. < 1301751471 221568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the future have all the non-awesome thing? < 1301751478 79953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things < 1301751638 994406 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because assholes like you couldnt resist using a time machine to go to the future and take all the cool stuff < 1301751644 392607 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assholes you < 1301751687 70220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, we also stole all the money? < 1301751691 857926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/./ < 1301751701 256122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a hard time with punctuation right now. < 1301751734 856189 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes < 1301751781 837900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the REAL reason for the financial crash.) < 1301753574 471729 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here who wants to try out my implementation of a portable brainfuck compiler in C? < 1301756306 273955 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301756896 783352 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301756937 529077 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301757460 966738 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301757592 985116 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301757606 170372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunfish, sure, but there's not really much room for innovation there. < 1301757710 218928 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but it's using other technics that I haven't seen in other compilers/interpreters, yet. < 1301757720 680120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, where can we get it? < 1301757767 167022 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301757783 730962 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thundersf.bplaced.net/bfjit/bfjit.zip < 1301757813 751866 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lately added an entry to brainfuck discussion page too. < 1301757878 992571 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried my best to write an english ReadMe. < 1301758108 62405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or does your parser do some optimisation as well? < 1301758189 862718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You might want to look at Esotope, BtW; it's the current best optimising BF compiler.) < 1301758226 538766 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1301758258 857961 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the advice. < 1301758573 657932 :Siebenzack!~siebenzac@p54B2AC8A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1301758575 734799 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also at least a couple LLVM-driven brainfucks that do a mostly trivial translation themselves, but of course inherit all the LLVM optimization machinery. (Of course from an iplementation viewpoint that's pretty boring.) < 1301758664 560993 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other news, a brief hello from Turku, the okocity.) < 1301759109 35098 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301759164 72633 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! Esotope generates very well optimized source code. The only disadvantage, I can find is that it needs an external C compiler. My program was meant to be fast and to be independent of external programs, but I haven't heard about Esotope, yet. < 1301759326 235488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power of Esotope is in its macroöptimisations, so you could probably just work them into a self-contained compiler. < 1301759547 593809 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thank you. I will try to implement some more optimisation mechanisms into my compiler. < 1301759879 375581 :Thunfish!~thunder@178.114.242.109.wireless.dyn.drei.com QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1301761546 829859 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301762088 785938 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301762669 89764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when WP defines conventions, then lists all possible ways to define something. < 1301762711 122871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when there are two ways to do something and both are widespread. < 1301763228 686366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is ipv6.google.com and encrypted.google.com, but there seem to be no encrypted ipv6 version, heh < 1301763264 76226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does ipv6.google.com say "go to google denmark"... ? < 1301763274 994116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err Danmark* < 1301763408 811757 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably doesn't have as good of GeoIP for IPv6 as for IPv4. < 1301763421 276689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301763436 683193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to switch the search box in firefox over to use https for google < 1301763437 817509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, why the name, BtW? < 1301763438 224457 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or it just knows that in your heart of hearts you desperately want to be Danish. < 1301763445 212754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, hah < 1301763451 585929 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I shall not discuss it in this channel :P < 1301763468 306551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the \x2Eso bit? < 1301763471 552340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for where to change it... haven't found it yet < 1301763476 321075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't about:config at least < 1301763477 194537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that seems a blatant reference to this channel. < 1301763486 403481 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: \x2E = . < 1301763491 606723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1301763577 892959 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since . is an invalid character for nicks on Freenode :P < 1301763648 881927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, and on IRC in general afaik? < 1301763660 678933 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno what the RFC has to say about it *shrugs* < 1301763686 861525 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The protocol really has no reason to ban any characters aside from ": \r\n" < 1301763692 833878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, also @ < 1301763694 105669 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "!@" < 1301763697 568918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301763846 126879 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the folder < 1301763849 553769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google isn't there however < 1301763853 581812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia search is < 1301763855 923144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1301763875 910369 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... guh? < 1301763877 828465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it is in /usr/lib, not in my profile < 1301763879 921990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1301763881 743543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1301763891 439033 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering wtf you were blathering about :P < 1301763896 26573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, I was talking about the google issue in another channel. < 1301763897 925270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1301763975 31104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, so wait, if you're not discussing libc.so here, I assume you're attempting to fundraise elsewhere on Freenode? < 1301763990 718530 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, just being overexcited :P < 1301763998 935360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works < 1301764006 739441 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, a little bit, but with no success :P ) < 1301764016 14963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had no chance of getting it? < 1301764106 634847 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I. < 1301764119 292572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but? < 1301764127 559697 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the guy I was sure would get it bowed out, so now it's just me, a few who are clearly out already, and a bunch who haven't bid (and so are wildcards) < 1301764146 709003 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rate my odds as quite low simply because I'm very near to my limit, but as it stands I'm in the lead. < 1301764162 263731 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oh yeah, I'm not talking about that in here X-P < 1301764170 788589 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERASE LAST SIX LINES < 1301764351 130917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to fire nukes at the tunes.org server? < 1301764362 614887 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : HALLO I AM GLOGBOT < 1301764388 803578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot's in someone in here's control, isn't it? No need to fire nukes there < 1301764415 305269 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is why even bother with tunes.org < 1301764444 897310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the only log that's outside of our control? < 1301764478 314363 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1301764620 384836 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301764772 705574 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301766179 837395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what've you got against tunes? < 1301766198 886157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERASE LAST SIX LINES < 1301766205 284361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yes, I actually do think that being outside our control is A Good Thing, given Herobrine.) < 1301766225 264401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad about Herobrine? < 1301766239 565705 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suuuuuucks at NetHack.
< 1301766241 477180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note lack of presence in channel. < 1301766256 286678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note nonexistence of logs on internet. < 1301766259 239712 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: elliott and I are collaborating on the Future of Logbots. < 1301766512 157538 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301766935 454368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note nonexistence of logs on internet. <-- personally I think this can be attributed to elliott rather than being run by someone in the channel /in general/. < 1301767005 133986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, personally I think you should shut up. < 1301767033 850917 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, come on, egobot is mostly stable. Apart from server sluggishness and hickups. So is fungot < 1301767034 15101 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know what to do < 1301767048 855263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't stop running after a few weeks < 1301767063 709190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is run by fizzie who is, like, incapable of anger. < 1301767064 98576 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: common lisp, scheme, oz, erlang, &c.) to infer types < 1301767067 958536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sometimes fails yes. But they are always restarted. < 1301767073 613046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and Gregor's bots? < 1301767099 457862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS THE DOWNTIME IS NOT SO RANDOM AS WE HAVE BEEN LED TO THINK < 1301767124 275673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh, I doubt that. < 1301767130 74925 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bots have much improved since I made the odd discovery that if you don't make any output but pongs for a prolonged period, Freenode will disconnect you. < 1301767147 933837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301767161 211260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you investigate this? < 1301767178 111429 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "investigate" < 1301767181 247069 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it. < 1301767358 16725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso, freenode does what? < 1301767359 840019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ask someone why the hell that happens? < 1301767384 882678 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301767721 752563 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I couldn't be arsed :P < 1301768140 465061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301768341 367320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:36:34: ...ELISP is now lexically scoped. < 1301768345 94093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not by default alas < 1301768357 766752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1301768364 420931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you set it at file scope < 1301768905 771509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fizzie: does mcmap work with 1.4? < 1301769200 871099 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make some code execute when a certain file's contents have been changed? < 1301769212 741021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which OS < 1301769217 182551 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows < 1301769234 333003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1301769241 448929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Linux, then you can use inotify/FAM :P < 1301769325 869818 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I renember hearing there was a way to do this in Powershell, but i forgot what it said... < 1301769358 800746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: You can always just do a < 1301769376 344979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(;;) {sleep(1); if(readfile() != oldfilecontents) dosomething();} < 1301769377 148505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop. < 1301769384 18851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that'll wake up your CPU all the time. < 1301769387 238045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a 1s delay. < 1301769409 261191 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be good enough... What would that script do if the file was suddenly deleted? < 1301769425 456854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. readfile would fail. It's up to you to implement the actual guts :P < 1301769435 989365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also forgot to save the result of readfile to oldfilecontents there. < 1301769534 591095 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO basically for(;;) {sleep(1); $oldfile = (gc file); if((gc file) -ne $oldfile) {stuff} } < 1301769551 314891 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-74-80-196.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301769559 862949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1301769566 355269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will almost never execute stuff. < 1301769597 816978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a userscript of some sort that makes it impossible for scripts that automatically highlight blocks of text on a webpage to function, or do I have to write it myself? < 1301769599 641603 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works... but I need to fill in now. < 1301770599 172501 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-74-80-196.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301770607 733863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301770893 894849 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301770895 89358 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301770948 533361 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 NICK :copumpkin < 1301770948 863700 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301770949 27613 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301771179 267967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1301771236 86133 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301771324 329694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1301771377 777639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey ais523, /msg #esoteric-minecraft with something. < 1301771405 241564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: done so < 1301771418 766963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The novelty will never get old! < 1301771430 594811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why don't you like minecraft < 1301771449 300571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does that mean you are neutral towards it, or dislike it? < 1301771451 429357 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301771461 697824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vague dislike, I'd say < 1301771472 663210 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you not HUMAN?? < 1301771492 196790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying to glue together two things that might be interesting on their own, to make the result less interesting < 1301771496 837782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecrakrt jsux because ls black black ops is teh bestset st game evar < 1301771499 908747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what two things? < 1301771503 308829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, too few typos < 1301771504 138481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's because the player is MALE < 1301771511 902943 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1301771516 460336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can easily switch the skin < 1301771520 469452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of adventure game, and a sandboxy programming game < 1301771529 743438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301771530 647517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming game? < 1301771531 735304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you wouldn't try to combine Tomb Raider and Rubicon < 1301771543 716678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MC doesn't involve any programming unless you mean redstone < 1301771546 873491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although if you did, you might end up with something quite popular) < 1301771554 838956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, architecture < 1301771556 406126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that sounds... wow < 1301771560 450309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may or may not be programmatically interesting < 1301771570 320134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like Lego < 1301771570 483446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 8 bit computer. Come on < 1301771598 253141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's electrical engineering < 1301771613 169490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Minecraft's one of those things that the majority of communities have their own server/area for playing, much like Mafia < 1301771626 110777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO majority < 1301771630 620699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Tomb Raider + Rubicon is a game I would play < 1301771657 158256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. Redstone Engineering < 1301771664 981990 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is minecraft multiplayer? < 1301771666 659609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :redstone doesn't really work at all like transistors < 1301771671 175044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, both < 1301771697 678914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, Minecraft's one of those things that the majority of communities have their own server/area for playing, much like Mafia <-- yes. There is no official One True Server. < 1301771699 281276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's always multiplayer < 1301771701 131758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEEP ARE PEOPLE < 1301771702 817993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is that an issue? < 1301771709 173528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, riiigth < 1301771720 29591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not an issue, but I did find it interesting < 1301772417 972379 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301772424 847037 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301772522 556711 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301773079 117175 :copumpki_!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 NICK :copumpkin < 1301773080 266385 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301773080 431301 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301773387 182859 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133079.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301773505 170244 :cheater99!~cheater@e181135247.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301776181 852822 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301776512 295954 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1301778167 349476 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301778563 579912 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301778940 528285 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301779016 7878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEXICAL < 1301779520 29276 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEXI-CAL < 1301779547 151258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexi's in Hotel California < 1301779563 723385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Butcherer of Jokes < 1301779567 486398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexical. < 1301779965 991252 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301779965 991382 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301779965 991492 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301779970 994717 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301779970 994841 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S Q L < 1301779998 151932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: hmm, are you a spambot? < 1301780004 252826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just have an unusually small lexicon? < 1301780031 705105 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301780036 420088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you hurt its feelings. < 1301780089 876678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say sorry. < 1301780101 508768 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301780108 947484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1301780118 593130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you find this funny! < 1301780158 981865 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301780158 981959 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hate you :( < 1301780164 663985 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1301780233 714845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you've really hurt its feelings. < 1301780235 344936 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: GO DIE IN A FIRE < 1301780254 344745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: hello! < 1301780257 200501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: do you want to be friends < 1301780272 889608 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: elliott's a douchebag, don't listen to him < 1301780302 207572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I just compared the IPs < 1301780313 961115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea that ch2 = elliott, and it's using the same IP that elliott was yesterday < 1301780314 126776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IPs? < 1301780324 319024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a dynamic ip < 1301780331 316411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but it's still quite a coincidence < 1301780337 852669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. very. clearly it is fate < 1301780339 687804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: hi < 1301780339 967027 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's elliot from the past! < 1301780354 423483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1301780356 515893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG < 1301780358 394151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1301780389 835643 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry < 1301780393 756049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301780402 45253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame, there's no #multics < 1301780416 278216 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two t's in elliott's name are having wild, hot, passionate sex even as we speak. < 1301780427 906044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gross. < 1301780432 89549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliot________t < 1301780437 905283 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no funny business! < 1301780514 335513 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301780524 890818 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301780524 890970 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hate you :( < 1301780543 996035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot________t: hmm, is ch2 a hatredbot? < 1301780553 784464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it was an S Q L bot first, but is a hatredbot now? < 1301780580 732581 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you just upset it < 1301780651 469911 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 110K 2011-04-02 22:42 logs.sqlite3 < 1301780652 483217 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ragh < 1301780655 309712 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hands keep slipping < 1301780655 988259 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1301780684 537576 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301780766 637261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's a logbot that isn't Herobrine? < 1301780786 507978 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch2: how do you respond to this accusation that you're not Herobrine? < 1301780853 496982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't called Herobrine < 1301780866 673694 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whoises ch2 to find out its name
< 1301780910 823639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot________t: so did I, I'm not convinced it's called Herobrine based on its realname data < 1301780929 690759 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ship of theseus! < 1301780981 803463 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: ch2 is at war with glogbot innit < 1301781017 845504 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot is Switzerland. < 1301781031 961703 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean Swizterland. < 1301781039 621066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought .ch meant Switzerland < 1301781056 202504 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ch2 is Switzerland too! < 1301781061 21883 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET < 1301781061 967486 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT < 1301781064 264677 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301781880 583345 :elliot________t!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1301781891 734307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, ch2 and glogbot are actually in a completely illict relationship* < 1301781894 274097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FSVO illicit < 1301781897 436404 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301781900 785321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISN'T THAT RIGHT GREGOR < 1301781903 332134 :ch2!~ch2@91.104.240.103 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301781909 571585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1301781944 685016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to god, pipe() is the most annoying possible interface. < 1301781962 112795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1301781989 956129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the way it takes an array as arg, /and/ returns the arguments the other way round from what you'd expect, in the array? < 1301781998 708161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it's quite a clever interface for what it's trying to do < 1301782007 480839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, yes, but also the fact that I just want to spawn a process and hook into its input and output. < 1301782023 588934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having to call pipe twice, keep track of the indices, and hook it all up with dup, is super annoying. < 1301782027 91109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not sure how POSIX-portable that is. < 1301782035 420529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup() is, it seems. < 1301782037 818991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dup2(). < 1301782045 924144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe() too, but not pipe2(). < 1301782053 280053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("pipe too but not pipe too" X-D) < 1301782094 39237 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301782318 755135 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301782324 775 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301782750 882582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could use a hash tree as a storage method. < 1301782821 995071 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301782822 276488 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1301782822 440328 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301782861 884093 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-10-31.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301783000 700913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage of what? < 1301783155 19125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Objects. < 1301784112 172371 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301784118 952998 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301784126 23813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1301784133 985166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION unfairly blames calamari for PSOX
< 1301784281 472924 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I came across an interesting mental challenge (well, interesting to me anyways). in a normal round-robin tournament, players are matched in pairs. but let's say the game has 3 sides (for example, chinese checkers, you could play a triangle of 3 of the 6 tips). if every player must play against each other player exactly once, what's the algorithm to optimize for the least number of matches? < 1301784355 792782 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are definitely substandard combos.. for example if I have 6 players and I do 1-2-3 then 4-5-6, then I must have 9 additional matches with just 2 players < 1301784394 226607 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on your goal < 1301784405 373930 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could see the goal of a round robin tournament to be to test every permutation of players < 1301784410 212083 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case your premise is flawed < 1301784422 514122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So some kind of general handshake problem> < 1301784433 666873 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stated every player must play each other player exactly once < 1301784460 952124 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean you specifically so much as you generally; i wouldn't expect to see a round robin tournament such as you've laid out < 1301784461 690633 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301784527 348172 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see what you're saying < 1301784628 74822 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah as I stated was correct < 1301784648 605035 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best I could find for 6 players was 7 matches, 3 with an empty seat < 1301784671 756999 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up the handshaking problem
< 1301784712 384355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not as easy to manipulate. < 1301784774 409378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any number of players, other than 3, for which it's doable with no matches with empty seats? < 1301784789 700836 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.devenezia.com/round-robin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224605375 < 1301784802 458690 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 rounds, no empty seats < 1301784853 368557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impressive < 1301784859 667889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose multiples of 9, it's easy < 1301784874 230918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works like Sudoku < 1301784883 679239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit, at least < 1301784897 756519 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :appears to be some software called hsmaster which can generate round robins for 3 player games(?) < 1301785095 262145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301785322 610982 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :strawman < 1301785525 994863 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301785541 618902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301785545 264858 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: link? < 1301785568 457635 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301785575 287525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food
< 1301785619 328078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301785785 373827 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can google it as easily as i? < 1301785796 846178 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only came across a video of someone showing how to use it, didn't bother to actually look up the app < 1301785802 630473 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked old and dated and maybe not like it would run on xp < 1301785802 809610 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301785813 914107 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also may have misunderstood < 1301785870 632732 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I didn't search videos < 1301785901 644109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (In other news, a brief hello from Turku, the okocity.) < 1301786007 809842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The unusual dialect in this city is due to rampant sound change, which has worn all vowels and diphthongs down to o, and all consonants and consonant combinations down to k. how the people here manage to understand each other is a mystery to linguists. especially in writing." < 1301786035 462057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*H *E < 1301786065 193949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if only you'd got it right first time, it would have been great < 1301786066 254978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, o < 1301786075 883406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301786158 386471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1301786171 926026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :koko (new official name of Turku) < 1301786503 627888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERASE LAST SIX LINES < 1301786505 830984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1301786941 867033 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060032.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301787099 389784 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133079.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301787226 987574 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301787270 737364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301787272 814916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WAS ERASED < 1301787283 115140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANNOT RECALL < 1301787661 69122 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("pipe too but not pipe too" X-D) < 1301787665 435945 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question < 1301787767 500086 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it nobler to socket blah blah blah bad pun blah blah < 1301787808 548254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, _you_ can socket. < 1301787850 176050 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1301787928 662113 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301787936 658139 :strawman!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301788161 715131 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301788248 633599 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301788310 80626 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll socket your plug any day, oerjan baby ;-* < 1301788333 516040 :strawman!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301788337 270321 :strawman!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 NICK :copumpkin < 1301788337 639498 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301788337 803813 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301788604 413109 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :strawman < 1301789481 57263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think that 4-letter TLDs should be used for, is for special use, such as making .example into .xmpl and having the same purpose as .example has. < 1301789833 356559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1301789898 362521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????????????????????????????????? < 1301789923 713446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@? < 1301789937 947409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes! @! < 1301789948 969679 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, as if < 1301789972 716436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what < 1301790009 474154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying you will never build @ or get someone to do it for you :) < 1301790060 468806 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? < 1301790111 444788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i can't parse the precedence of that sentence < 1301790112 914880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :parenify plz < 1301790117 881983 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent? < 1301790120 471178 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1301790142 222948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent? < 1301790144 397120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: No, baseball is a different game. < 1301790145 429354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :345) Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent? < 1301790217 384704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is someone said before that draws are common and I have some ideas that can make it less common without eliminating draws or changing much else, but someone with experience should answer me please. < 1301790252 936697 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this? http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:IRC&curid=2413&diff=21685&oldid=10846 < 1301790267 996413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:M-code < 1301790283 628523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tankre. < 1301790385 333694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bot spam, almost certainly < 1301790393 811621 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Have you ever told anyone baseball rules in a British accent? < 1301790425 902914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have < 1301790430 683401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because I'm British < 1301790434 784852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's my natural accent < 1301790442 896321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I know most of the rules of cricket < 1301790463 731056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the reason draws are common are due to people running out of time for a match, due to people not getting out quickly enough and not declaring < 1301790471 614342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either by mistake, or because it would make them lose) < 1301790481 14062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are alternative rules that avoid draws already for one-day matches < 1301790484 201517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't used in full matches < 1301790501 531950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of bot spams with hello world? < 1301790509 903092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I know that. However, I have some ideas to make draws a bit less common while still possible, such as making some changes to the world during the last half hour of play. < 1301790515 369741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/world/rules/ < 1301790517 258187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was the ambiguouous part? < 1301790535 216560 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that you'll never (build @) or (get someone to do it(= build @) for you) < 1301790546 315896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (never {build @ or get someone to do it for you}) vs. (or {never build @} {get someone to do it for you}) < 1301790549 641128 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know but "catch sufficiently hello world" gives google hits < 1301790557 210230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that might be unfair, as as one side's bowling and one side's batting then, the rules change would affect the two sides differently < 1301790571 325515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Qdeql +Sceql +SMETANA) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301790646 633551 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :try { ... } catch (ex) { if (ex.sufficientlyHelloWorld()) { console.log("Hello, world!"); } } < 1301790829 337714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I can see that, but the idea I have was that there would be ways to make it end faster but that this might benefit both sides, and that it would then become a bit more difficult to continue until time up. Such as, during the last half hour of play (on the last day), any maiden automatically takes a wicket and the ball into designated areas earns double runs. Perhaps also these rules can be adjusted based on time wasting calculations < 1301790853 758557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double runs is a much more minor bonus than maidens taking wickets automatically < 1301790862 933305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maidens are much more common than wickets < 1301790885 566734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a straight *3 on runs might balance it, but it still probably wouldn't be completely balanced < 1301790988 231392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cricket is like this game, if you didn't know it was old, you'd think it was a parody of something else < 1301790998 103230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that might fix it a bit. < 1301791039 148694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well-made it is useless to try and parody it further. although i'm sure people must have tried. < 1301791047 524492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much ram does an ubuntu-for-genera vm require? < 1301791063 531651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that what it looks like to you? Maybe it might. How much of the rules do you know, oerjan? < 1301791091 655475 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm going just by your long line above. < 1301791184 331083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, is blognomic any fun? < 1301791188 479528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know how there are plenty of stereotypes about English gentlemen, who spend all day sipping tea and taking things slowly in immaculate and beautiful gardens? < 1301791191 899854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays < 1301791203 151776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cricket's like what you get if you try to apply all those to baseball simultaneously < 1301791211 910015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it varies a lot; this dynasty may be a good one, but it's too early to tell < 1301791217 861983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been boring for months, but I rejoined recently < 1301791220 141213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice summary < 1301791270 557666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five-day cricket is probably the slowest-paced sport in existence < 1301791286 768604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh, Brockian Ultra-Cricket? < 1301791298 477825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's probably pretty fast-paced < 1301791306 635462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ultra Cricket < 1301791309 522092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1301791311 970027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ultra-Cricket < 1301791320 644076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I dunno, beating people might be really slow in the seventh dimension < 1301791388 478448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ul-Tra Cricket. named by its mad scientist inventor Siad Ul-Tra. < 1301791427 708692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not an understatement, anyway, to say that cricket games are intended to take five days, but often are drawn due to not being nearly finished by then < 1301791441 74292 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right. < 1301791460 393672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose a new form of cricket < 1301791463 267516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-limit Cricket < 1301791467 850384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh game lasts until someone wins. no exceptions < 1301791483 386040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was originally unlimited; the five-day limit was added due to people getting bored after a few weeks < 1301791487 675730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301791509 339198 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone get bored of cricket < 1301791522 363266 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, short of watching it i guess < 1301791522 546530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see? you cannot actually parody cricket. < 1301791528 952220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1301791547 531096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we british. so durpy. < 1301791554 923008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the motto of britain) < 1301791564 667981 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long-form cricket is certainly slow, although it allows many possibilities to be played. It would certainly be very boring to people who prefer the short-forms or who do not understand cricket very well. < 1301791570 808314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("british nos, ita durpy") < 1301791576 993741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: for bonus points, many channels just show "extended highlights" of cricket, which is all the bits that they thought were interesting < 1301791582 430355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they typically last around twenty minutes < 1301791589 866933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a summary of the whole five-day matches < 1301791609 424547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301791635 521779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, why are /you/ laughing? aren't you British? < 1301791641 621793 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If the game lasts until someone wins, does that mean that there is no draws, and in case of tie you do the fifth and sixth innings? < 1301791643 298067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you forced to play cricket in school? < 1301791656 128316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ties are statistically incredibly unlikely < 1301791667 840070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: hey, why are /you/ laughing? aren't you British? < 1301791669 612177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after five days, and hundreds of runs, it would be quite a fluke for both sides to have exactly the same score < 1301791670 264710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's quite shameful < 1301791673 166574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : aren't you forced to play cricket in school? < 1301791674 358318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABSOLUTELY < 1301791678 600161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cricketulum < 1301791686 258280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's pretty easy, you don't do anything 95% of the time < 1301791690 506882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1301791691 743676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least if you're me, mess up the other 5% < 1301791699 44859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of innings can in fact exceed nine thousand < 1301791712 348449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so bad at cricket that in the end they decided to make me be the scorekeeper rather than play on either team, at school < 1301791742 344151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crickethulhu. the game where the players try to slow it down as much as possible, for obvious reasons. < 1301791746 531914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know ties are unlikely. < 1301791772 433219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bowlers have been fined for stalling, on occasion < 1301791779 463726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real-life money, that is, not anything in-game < 1301791799 250343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am sure the penalties in crickethulhu would rather more severe. < 1301791802 818924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be < 1301792094 300573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_occasionally_ some players on the winning team might survive, i guess. < 1301792125 620156 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you try to slow it down as much as possible, there won't be a winning team, it will end in a draw. < 1301792126 27383 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :survive till the victory ceremony, anyhow < 1301792135 184750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly < 1301792137 191136 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penalties would be prohibiting slow-motion VCRs. And that you have to bet your fingers and ears if you run out of money. < 1301792173 932689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crickethulhu draws are in the sense of "hung, drawn and quartered". < 1301792627 541798 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1301792818 851055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write down the rules. [1] If the batsman catches the ball (out handling the ball), you have to eat the ball. [2] If you hit a duck with anything, you lose instantly. [3] You do not stop due to the weather. If it is snow or lightning storm, you still have to continue playing in lightning storm. [4] No protective equipment is permitted. [5] Slow-motion VCRs are permitted until there is a stalling penalty, at which point they are prohibited for th < 1301792822 336550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but what about the slow-motion VCRs? < 1301792870 117906 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e rest of the match. [6] In case of draw, is hung, drawn and quartered. [7] In case of tie, the umpire is required to tie you up. [8] U mUST USING, propper, spellling/gram-er @all times!!!!!!!!!!! < 1301792880 612955 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301792884 404659 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left QUIT :Client Quit < 1301792908 677088 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301792908 883291 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301792917 62233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301792926 249681 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301792929 321536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1301792944 984638 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301792949 555066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1301792955 68080 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9] You have to use heavier balls at the victory ceremony. < 1301792956 67548 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301792974 257507 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301793004 721308 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if that's supposed to be the crickethulhu rules then i don't think you have got the spirit of it at all < 1301793020 137728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zzo38's just trying to make the game a little less boring < 1301793025 669800 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it is not finish yet. You have to write the rest, too. < 1301793029 783614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun cricket, or something < 1301793038 922372 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: cthulhu doesn't mess around which such chicken "penalties" < 1301793044 834700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but in the case of crickethulu, writing the rest wouldn't make sense < 1301793048 303380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as even reading it would make you go insane < 1301793057 477560 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm true < 1301793059 295515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, unless writing one of those things makes you become sane? < 1301793063 571171 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But some people in esolangs is already a bit insane in some ways, so you can write it. < 1301793067 633963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be a nice sort of symmetry to that < 1301793074 183160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i wouldn't bet on that... < 1301793080 679713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: neither would I < 1301793089 576433 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do mean you. Not only me. Also you.) < 1301793206 245702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, og2 is going fast < 1301793260 218216 :strawman!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :Pollione < 1301793304 491114 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301793417 953710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know how to boot Ubuntu 7.10 or similar versions in expert install mode? < 1301793444 681222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1301793453 863042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, i just figured it out X-D < 1301793472 360081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coming soon: Better ads in Google Mail." < 1301793474 60025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly gosh! < 1301793759 619144 :Pollione!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301793784 106269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@@http://sprunge.us/ZGMd@@@@@@@@ < 1301793804 369259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay obfuscated url < 1301793810 856716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /very/ obfuscated < 1301793814 63629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO obfuscate@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1301793842 986542 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSFVO < 1301793879 952099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not safe for vixen oligarchies < 1301793902 945554 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obfuscated enough to confuse XChat >_> < 1301793926 550678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even rot13 would do taht < 1301793928 78089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1301793940 929062 :Pollione!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301793947 674130 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, but that's substantially less obfuscation than rot13. < 1301793972 265296 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@@Hahahaha, you'll never unobfuscate this!@@@@@ < 1301793989 295450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did it! Is the answer: "Unununun, lbh'yy arire haboshfpngr guvf!"? < 1301794013 761421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haboshfpngr would be a nice name for an esolang < 1301794041 420508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fpng" has to be one of the heartiest sounds < 1301794049 340839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the p kind of nuclear-bombs the phonetics < 1301794070 431651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, shfpngr is a consonant cluster to kill for < 1301794096 674334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it's actually pronounceable without any vowels sneaking in < 1301794101 121970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has enough semivowels in that it's actually pronouncable < 1301794226 124249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr ubuntu < 1301794246 631443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because i'm using a US english system < 1301794249 514567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean my timezone is american < 1301794318 632594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1301794326 297835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to have the two, it seems < 1301794359 110444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, i'll fix the timezone post-installation < 1301794415 624033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels so quaint to disable shadow passwords < 1301794485 733067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re: that obfuscation, btw, if it made you gave up, I saved you some wasted time :P < 1301794781 276172 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the \linepenalty parameter of TeX misnamed? < 1301794860 239978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301794886 977552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to be named bzspoiajsd, but that name's apparently illegal in Norway < 1301794950 795885 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did Knuth call it \linepenalty? It is not a penalty value. < 1301795003 597459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's totally not something ais would say < 1301795005 641186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do with him < 1301795016 293592 :Pollione!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 NICK :copumpkin < 1301795017 604384 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301795017 768278 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301795022 939539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I was trying to do an impression of you, but not a very good one < 1301795033 229035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was closer to a bad oerjan < 1301795038 296754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except he'd have picked another country :D] < 1301795042 384942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\]$// < 1301795047 829556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps < 1301795056 749901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Norway has rules on name legality, which is why I picked it < 1301795059 472940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the random text reminds me of... olsner? cpressey? < 1301795069 753909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't sweden too, c.f. albin < 1301795079 596619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps that's what I was thinking of < 1301795087 888941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should rename that kid to "pronounced [ˈalbɪn]" < 1301795091 966778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the text wasn't random, I tried mashing my keyboard several times < 1301795093 169009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lynard skynyrtrd < 1301795098 258384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I got a sequence of letters I liked < 1301795101 642864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301795106 239992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like rutian! < 1301795144 183020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re that law: The law was enacted in 1982, primarily in order to prevent non-noble families from giving their children the names of noble families.. < 1301795147 824116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.\.$/./ < 1301795149 228118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally gross < 1301795180 246140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Lynyrd Skynyrd have had so many lineup changes that the past members section on WP ensd with "also see: List of Lynyrd Skynyrd band members" < 1301795180 751536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ends < 1301795186 773992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lynyrd_Skynyrd_band_members < 1301795226 590354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301795237 836080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is ridiculous: < 1301795239 340073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The title of the album (and its title track) is written by Mark Stephen Jones, Travis Meadows and Bud Tower. Lyrically, it appears to oppose all kinds of gun control, a notable change from the lyrical stance of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd fronted by Ronnie Van Zant, who many claim sang against handguns in the song Saturday Night Special. When one cites a line from "Saturday Night Special", Van Zant's position on gun control might seem unclear: < 1301795239 591329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why don't we dump em, people, to the bottom of the sea", with the subject of the sentence being "em", or handguns, which might also be interpreted as "Why don't we dump em people to the bottom of the sea", with the subject being em people (them people). [3] The potential ambiguity is resolved in the next line, "Before some fool come around here / Wanna shoot either you or me". Had Van Zant's subject of the previous line been "em people", then th < 1301795243 823369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e guns would still be accessible.]] < 1301795260 567148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sort of gets more and more ridiculous then climaxes in that final sentence < 1301795355 301077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was meant to be named bzspoiajsd, but that name's apparently illegal in Norway <-- i don't know, our name laws have been considerably loosened in recent years. < 1301795364 140397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he was thinking of sweden < 1301795365 796709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301795371 979710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1301795376 46395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should read techdirt more < 1301795378 629974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but besides, "recent years" < 1301795387 287099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was recent when Knuth wrote TeX < 1301795414 910074 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean \linepenalty was supposed to be bzspoiajsd but they wanted to make sure the program was not illegal in Norway???? < 1301795436 957238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301795439 668114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what we mean. < 1301795446 939766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we may well be lying, though < 1301795455 489046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't believe that..... < 1301795488 560754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok if you don't believe it or if you do believe it, in the end everybody has to be able to make up their own mind < 1301795514 580940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have little idea what our name law does say these days < 1301795516 241071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK < 1301795564 756093 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1301795785 575736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzspoiajsd is probably illegal anyway, it's just too weird. < 1301795807 421643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I FIND THAT VERY OFFENSIVE < 1301795819 785186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides not to reveal that his name is actually Bzspoiajsd "Elliott" Hird for the time being
< 1301795824 165342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many JERKS < 1301795825 332174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like OERJAN < 1301795852 644374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! < 1301795867 605622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! < 1301795870 580505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :346) I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! < 1301795883 720251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not allowed to give a child a first name that would be a considerable burden to it. the word "considerable" (vesentlig) was added in the recent liberalization. < 1301795903 980862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, so much for Dicknose Hird < 1301795918 117484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you cannot use a surname as a first name unless it's already traditionally a first name. < 1301795920 38974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS WE NEED THAT ABORTION AFTER ALL < 1301795925 812703 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the child decide to change their own name afterward? What are laws about that? < 1301795931 580211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if we say this enough, the conservatives will get scared about the name law causing rampant abortion) < 1301795972 657183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does configuring language-pack-en-base normally take a long time? < 1301795991 467543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, maybe they should get scared of the name laws (whether or not it causes abortion) < 1301795995 95724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks the actual law text
< 1301796004 171403 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: I wish I had something witty to put here... < 1301796019 371320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: language configuration often does take a while < 1301796023 245490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Smoking Everywhere] (4:43:09 PM): NO LIMIT < 1301796025 205420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CX] (4:43:21 PM): awesome! < 1301796025 369796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this was judged to actually change a contract < 1301796049 881222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO LIMIT constituted an acception of the previous offer to change the contract (a few lines saying "blah blah if I have your blessing"), "awesome!" was the agreement < 1301796050 725833 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301796050 926492 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 QUIT :Changing host < 1301796051 91028 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1301796058 196723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, what's the word < 1301796060 689730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1301796064 155529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's been doing it for about 10 minutes < 1301796088 259643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally doesn't take /that/ long < 1301796098 721554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what's worrying me < 1301796101 705930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll restart the installation < 1301796124 232253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the VM is worryingly slow, anyway < 1301796154 98326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disables APIC on a hunch
< 1301796247 95293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now the installer won't even start < 1301796324 622769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§3: Surnames held by more than 200 people in Norway can be changed to by anyone without consent. otherwise you need their consent or have a specific right to use it. < 1301796519 146414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A surname which _no one_ has, you can use unless (1) It's too similar to another, protected name (2) It's identical to a wellknown trademark or similar (3) Is or has been used as a first name, and is not traditionally also a surname. < 1301796527 476275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It is < 1301796532 552158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albin Coca-Cola < 1301796546 720813 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1301796564 715615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least it stops parents giving their kids names like "Ørjan Johansen" < 1301796577 382139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true. (note: not actually true.) < 1301796589 824889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I must start Johansen Enterprises < 1301796595 810832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have a list of what is traditionally a given name and surname? < 1301796605 316905 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Johansen is still the second most common surname in norway, iirc) < 1301796617 113000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you like Joe Smith? < 1301796620 179334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so coooooooool < 1301796648 164178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the central people register, is what the law refers to < 1301796680 324823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, more like Gregor Smith < 1301796721 528094 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ørjan is no. 50 or so, unless i misremember) < 1301796736 685150 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smith" is a common surname in Norway? :P < 1301796766 590022 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or do you think that Gregor is like name #50 in England/America? < 1301796771 634741 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is a pretty broken assumption) < 1301796801 721942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did report on my checks in the statistical name database on this channel previously... < 1301796844 65728 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: well i first thought "George" which is actually cognate to Ørjan, but then thought that has to be too common < 1301796855 221062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :georjan < 1301796862 884444 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking about #50 here, not #1. < 1301796877 509611 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rechecks
< 1301796878 984849 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregory might be #50, Gregor can't be more than #15,000 in England or America. < 1301796884 364772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CMayhejY6P_D5QEQrAIY2AQyCHE0hnAwrr-0 < 1301796886 282311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT'S < 1301796888 81054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : HIS HAIR < 1301796890 731330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUSTIN BIEBER < 1301796892 451719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STARTS FRIDAY < 1301796899 30259 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A GANG FIGHT < 1301796924 286587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregory might be #50, Gregor can't be more than #15,000 in England or America. < 1301796925 331142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly? < 1301796926 325028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor is like < 1301796927 558916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common name < 1301796929 866385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it < 1301796933 139784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1301796934 823218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it isn't < 1301796935 811802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1301796936 473796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: oh actually Ørjan is 152 < 1301796946 368495 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered the "5" part :D < 1301796964 553175 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor" is effectively unheard of in the US, I can't speak for England. People assume I'm not American based on my name. < 1301796976 327268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess it's like < 1301796977 868013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian sounding < 1301796979 23640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1301796982 141264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the first gregor i know < 1301796985 599677 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johansen is indeed #2 < 1301796986 10950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your name sounds so like < 1301796987 482169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor richards < 1301796990 563559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a really common name < 1301797004 223732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like an optical illusion :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDfghjklup0[i]o;f'lp < 1301797043 845570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smith is not _unheard_ of in norway, btw, our neighbors when i group up had that name, and there are the "Smith's friends"... < 1301797053 702132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Church numerals < 1301797072 413926 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smith is #244 < 1301797084 818962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grew up < 1301797086 634600 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a /first name/ DB for USA. < 1301797123 982923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is pretty rare as a first name in the UK too < 1301797132 287423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacGregor is a common surname, though < 1301797133 289604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ima call libc\x2Eso Mendel from now on < 1301797150 989994 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heredity: I invented it. That's right. Invented. < 1301797164 672216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why this vm is so slow < 1301797166 72694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me very sad < 1301797169 717015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a porcubine < 1301797208 685665 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregory is #37. Gregor isn't in the top 300. I would be surprised if it's in the top 10,000. < 1301797235 497062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the statistical page in english: http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/navn_en/ < 1301797244 348553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear < 1301797245 310206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hugn < 1301797247 480486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on loading the floppy module < 1301797265 801833 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it seems there are too few Gregors in the USA for the census to report it in its summary data < 1301797265 967021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they cripple the open source version :D < 1301797346 500313 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more Eldens, more Keneths who don't know how to spell, more Modestos, more Warners, more Andreases, more Rayfords :P < 1301797401 570263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the frekwensee Keneth? < 1301797404 323260 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh daaaamn! It's #7,153 < 1301797423 570746 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more Gregoires X-D < 1301797425 840366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english page seems to be missing first names listed by frequency though < 1301797446 454156 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less Gregersons (wtf first name) < 1301797479 339851 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knew a Greger back in the old home town. mad as a hatter.
< 1301797490 826934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oerjan has moved? < 1301797493 725453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so unoerjan :/ < 1301797502 265966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, paranoid schizophrenia or something. < 1301797533 917379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i didn't know him as much as my parents did < 1301797601 719502 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Grega" wtf X-D < 1301797603 110141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID YOU MOVE OERJAN < 1301797608 447473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Greggsybob < 1301797616 984600 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my home town doesn't have a university? < 1301797623 949671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: build one there? :/ < 1301797625 416316 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWWWW I WISH MY NAME WAS GREFRATH < 1301797632 927358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a pokemon < 1301797644 49214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its call would just be a distorted "grefrath" < 1301797660 303560 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An old family name in the Richards family, Dodifer, doesn't appear :P < 1301797661 633527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: are you saying _grefrath_ is more common than gregor? < 1301797668 624588 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, that one's less :P < 1301797680 861835 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm just staring at silly names :P < 1301797708 211565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S THE LEAST FREQUENT NAME < 1301797721 618856 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The artist formerly known as Prince < 1301797732 700656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Shwiuqeiêé'eakrtaqx (pronounced "Chan-ikwah") < 1301797739 406278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG RACISM < 1301797743 683434 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's like #15 < 1301797748 615990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301797766 421936 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ the "qx" btw :P < 1301797778 170377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a silent qx. < 1301798003 143965 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§4 lists a lot of ways you can have a right to a surname, starting with your great great grandparents having had it, and including marriage, farm names and a lot of other minor cases. Adoption is not there but in §5. < 1301798086 470514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, newer closed source virtualbox is... kind of faster < 1301798095 342128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not < 1301798107 312370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also kind-of broken < 1301798113 329642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: howso? < 1301798132 562432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does start with an oracle logo on bootup though, which I find repulsive :)) < 1301798151 633023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on our NetHack TASing server, trying to poweroff hangs, force-quitting corrupts the disk image, and the kernel spouts all sorts of filesystem errors on reload < 1301798165 182424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: known bug with ext4 < 1301798170 469156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells you to enable the host cache < 1301798174 391208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you start the VM < 1301798175 576234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me < 1301798180 996827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ext3 < 1301798185 638567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe ext3 too < 1301798233 339420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§6 allows you to make the spelling of your surname less weird. Also to change the gender ending if it has one. (The latter isn't precisely common.) < 1301798266 149985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, virtualbox gets stuck on the < 1301798267 594979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREMELY < 1301798268 944662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIFFICULT < 1301798269 109087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASK < 1301798271 387209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of loading the floppy module < 1301798308 171374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll install the EXACT VERSION vorpal used < 1301798446 560230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think i concur re kind of broken < 1301798455 262478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§7 allows you to combine two surnames with a hyphen. §8 prohibits using surnames as first names unless traditionally first names. §9 allows surnames to be used as middle names. §10 contains the prohibition agains adopting a name that could be a considerable burden, it actually says nothing about whether it's a child or not. < 1301798465 485539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ §10 up there < 1301798486 829328 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "other strong reasons" < 1301798491 796073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/3.2.6/
< 1301798507 435238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmic? that's the same thing as maverick! < 1301798511 650421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did lucid come after karmic < 1301798519 920200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, lucid is what i want < 1301798536 195080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so are you planning on updating to ubuntu 11.04? < 1301798548 431246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps; I didn't update to 10.10 < 1301798553 945614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may go LTS from now on < 1301798562 555825 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§10 also prohibits changing your name more than every 10th year, except in certain cases like marriage or reversing a previous change < 1301798567 195295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Ubuntu's getting a worse attitude as time goes on < 1301798568 185685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing with 11.04 is that you get Unity, which is terrible < 1301798579 60996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it had the potential to be good, but last I checked, it's god-awful) < 1301798581 56581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it'll be less terrible by release < 1301798582 576957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literally unusable) < 1301798587 522834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's at beta already... < 1301798596 265691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this _is_ the month :P < 1301798605 132661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I've heard, the concept's decent, but the implementation is so inefficient it doesn't run on anything < 1301798615 781138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about inefficiency, it's that it's basically a skeleton < 1301798620 649600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the application picker thing < 1301798624 984907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can type things and click things < 1301798630 817381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure pasting worked < 1301798635 566071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt really weird < 1301798643 685291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way you can drag the icons on the left was just... weird and stupid and pointles < 1301798644 449556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1301798646 600236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301798659 331293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FWIW, I can vouch that Debian works flawlessly on your hardware (well, its big brother, but they're basically identical) < 1301798679 433222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm just not sure if I want to go through the trouble of an OS reinstall < 1301798682 332132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Debian ~= older Ubuntu, with a tiny tweak to make PolicyKit use sudo < 1301798682 496129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than upgrade < 1301798691 769822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if upgrading will keep Gnome < 1301798692 748792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a bug in §6: it doesn't consider the case of a gender _prefix_ like arabic ibn/bint
< 1301798703 861826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OR A GENDER INFIX < 1301798754 201534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although since that surname doesn't actually inherit as such, it should only apply to actual transgendering... < 1301798762 952963 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that surname form < 1301798802 735456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transgendering", there's a word < 1301798832 632742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, googling suggest dan brown was the first to use it < 1301798834 476709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The act of tattooing one’s skin was a transformative declaration of power, an announcement to the world: I am in control of my own flesh. The intoxicating feeling of control derived from physical transformation had addicted millions to flesh-altering practices …. . . cosmetic surgery, body piercing, bodybuilding, and steroids . . . even bulimia and transgendering.]] < 1301798836 289953 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the change would probably be allowed by the other paragraphs in any case (that one in particular says that changing the gender doesn't count as a change at all for the rest of the law) < 1301798845 151151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has to the most bizarre paragraph i've read in a while < 1301798925 230437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be going slightly off the deep there at the end < 1301798930 47879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the version vorpal used seems to be no faster < 1301799029 366878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the port of OpenGenera to linux sucked less, so it could be used directly < 1301799038 108392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's genera itself that craps all over your config... < 1301799159 392525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: "maloader is a Mach-O (OSX) loader for Linux. It is already able to run the XCode toolchain on Linux. [repost from /r/linux]" < 1301799175 804090 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY AWESOME < 1301799179 311568 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT < 1301799181 251645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Clearly you must create (A,B)loader, parameterisable over executable format A and OS B. < 1301799188 314221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY THEN WILL YOU RULE < 1301799191 338937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg < 1301799193 759255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: it's shinh's <3 < 1301799196 964364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shinh: the best???? < 1301799197 707463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEST < 1301799200 193781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shinh/maloader < 1301799224 300362 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqc < 1301799225 779891 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thankee < 1301799237 498607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: DON'T THANK ME, THANK SHINH < 1301799245 258936 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thank you for the INFO < 1301799251 218301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: ALL THANKS GO TO SHINH < 1301799256 599525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTW7Pd1vqc < 1301799260 946088 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is shinh somebody I should know? :P < 1301799264 419626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten seconds in, this already has more melody than the entire original < 1301799269 113392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§14 allows the government ("the King") to make appropriate special rules for foreigners (only wrt protected surnames) and norwegians abroad. < 1301799275 206428 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1301799281 36511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: shinh runs Anarchy Golf (http://golf.shinh.org/), implemented 64-bit support (and more) for tcc... < 1301799289 120995 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkidokie < 1301799305 898318 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foreigners in norway < 1301799359 766372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: this is much better than the original < 1301799376 377181 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm discovering that all of Bad Lip Reading's versions are better than the originals :P < 1301799408 516439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distinct chicken and fighting theme I see < 1301799469 609025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :§16 says that if you already have two surnames with no hyphen, you can keep it that way. i presume that and §7 means you're no longer allowed to adopt two surnames without a hyphen. < 1301799510 586268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: The thing is that really, you only see their lips so often, so most of this is them just making up shit X-D < 1301799528 762172 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but still amusing :P < 1301799620 322042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of the law is just boring bureaucracy. < 1301799740 457647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear that this VM will be ridiculously slow :( < 1301799858 209416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc\x2Eso: Great, now "ASIAN BABEH" is stuck in my head X_X < 1301799955 300748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Can I get some monkey brains or mermaid? < 1301800048 863035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301800122 461900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey augur what are you doing on my reddits < 1301800182 211287 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1301800195 382334 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something? < 1301800196 120587 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? < 1301800264 150194 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil linguist plotting, probably < 1301800288 140375 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up now < 1301800305 245541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the roof < 1301800323 728038 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whats happening with your reddits < 1301800328 229984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you're on them < 1301800332 564795 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301800354 438729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301800364 900015 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow < 1301800392 386259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT KERNEL JUST INSTAL < 1301800394 298986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :L < 1301800445 749698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FIX IT < 1301800537 463061 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how am i on your reddits < 1301800545 854126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you are < 1301800551 791977 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tho < 1301800627 21553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw your name < 1301800628 296965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats illegal < 1301800660 283235 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? where about? < 1301800703 898794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit < 1301800735 967314 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301800742 79752 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but where on reddit < 1301800779 839712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comment page < 1301800801 1330 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301800806 457281 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which subreddit < 1301800811 284230 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, dont make me hurt you < 1301800823 530342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a... subreddit < 1301800824 983998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1301800829 983460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying you is difficult < 1301800838 700498 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH SUBREDDIT < 1301800852 583033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA LA LA LA I CANT'T HEAR YOU < 1301800853 680907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CAN'T < 1301800872 800705 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to assume the haskell subreddit < 1301800894 229247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to see augur as having posted anything
< 1301800897 237335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :D < 1301800902 237399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually /r/politics < 1301800905 435701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you came #1 in best ranking and i was like < 1301800907 88707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i know that name < 1301800909 491355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that annoying fag < 1301800910 211136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1301800916 372499 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 in best ranking? < 1301800918 752135 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301800919 941000 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1301800926 37747 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arrested development picture < 1301800927 8484 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok < 1301800952 975242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ALWAYS WITH THE CHEAP KARMA THAT AUGUR < 1301800963 510441 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know it! < 1301800967 630096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we /real/ #esoteric redditors, why, we contribute things of value, don't we ais523 < 1301800974 648237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and...er...oerjan < 1301800993 321886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: occasionally < 1301801027 710951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw did you see how grauenwolf replied to you? < 1301801029 615705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he got mad :D < 1301801156 988144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did < 1301801222 940555 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301801237 628599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does anyone have a simple way to create a window of WxH size in X? < 1301801239 274833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be blank < 1301801523 23831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, pbmlife(1) :D < 1301801595 331048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Multics' `calendar`'s source was ugl < 1301801596 487570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ugly < 1301801686 462521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it has -flags < 1301801690 267452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -flags don't originate from unix < 1301801694 727330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, Multics' were multiple-word < 1301801699 745661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also had abbreviations < 1301801704 798343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-julian == -jul < 1301801707 333700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-date D == -dt D < 1301801712 6873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GNU didn't invent GNU long options :D < 1301801740 984637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they invent the -- convention? < 1301801745 734810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, probably < 1301801762 760575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program seems to date back to 1972/1973 < 1301801769 152973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a huge mess of PL/I: http://multicians.org/calendar.html < 1301801778 296589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if the indentation just got messed up or whether it was really that awful < 1301801784 62177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ec ^= 0 then /* Ought to be an error, but might be old syntax. */ < 1301801784 972769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if an = 1 then goto try_date; < 1301801785 138317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else goto arg_value_error; < 1301801785 138486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : call hcs_$initiate_count(if_data.if(i).dn,if_data.if(i).en,"",if_data.if(i).bitc,1, < 1301801785 138591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if_data.if(i).ifptr,ec); < 1301801785 138729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if if_data.if(i).ifptr = null then /* Ought to be an error, but ... */ < 1301801786 568832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if an = 1 then /* .. check for old syntax. */ < 1301801788 687163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : do; < 1301801820 287036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sure as hell had no 80 column rule :D < 1301802193 145178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:10:02 you know how toilet paper comes from those weird boxes in public shitting places < 1301802194 348394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:10:14 oklopol: Thus far it's not sounding like a love story. < 1301802210 298950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have included 11:09:58 oklopol: You met your true love at the uni?! < 1301802211 443897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top there. < 1301802253 584439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:14:24 the same sort of discovery as when you put a battery in backwards in an old-fashioned analog battery-powered clock, and the hands start ticking backwards < 1301802255 273356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does this work < 1301802258 758972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me this works < 1301802266 764468 :libc\x2Eso!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1301802269 79555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does work < 1301802272 440660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some sorts of clock, at least < 1301802274 347492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly not all of them < 1301802274 592316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i < 1301802280 357638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my life is complete < 1301802288 778147 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. Stupid bip. Every time I connect from a different place it names me back to Gregor :P < 1301802296 798033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never works on digital clocks, but certain analog clocks, it does < 1301802352 998222 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301802453 174482 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301802638 938262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:20:38 * ais523 has trouble remembering events from the future < 1301802639 166818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1301802644 28010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol if it worked on digital clocks < 1301802814 965714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:04 There once lived a family of old, old wasps. These wasps, every day, would clamour for a chance to see the Queen Wasp -- like a queen bee, but more a figurehead than a head of state, you see -- and the rest of the time they fantasised about seeing the Queen Wasp. One day they all got killed in a very boring way, and Bjorn knew nothing of this as he passed through the forest in which they didn't live. < 1301802815 167743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i used to be a poet :| < 1301803511 512321 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301803903 389595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:39:12 AnMaster: So is their C-to-LISP compiler actually available? Does it work with semi-real code? < 1301803913 711669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: to belatedly answer: AFAIK ZETA C is not available. < 1301803918 307738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! It is! < 1301803921 585250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/TI/Explorer/zeta-c/ < 1301803923 757278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For TI Explorer, though. < 1301803926 633491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Symbolics. < 1301803931 726345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a TI emulator, though. < 1301803938 370066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *Zeta-C < 1301803942 744062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *ZETA-C < 1301803948 854533 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, talk about "belatedly" < 1301803954 3906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah X-D < 1301803968 986527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ZETA-C is awesome; its pointers are actually cons cells. < 1301803975 554359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(array . index). NULL is (NIL . 0). < 1301803988 691951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All pointers were represented as pairs of an array and an index; NULL was < 1301803989 233982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply a pair of NIL and 0. If you cast a pointer to an integer, you got a < 1301803989 234197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons of the array part and the index part. You could later cast this back to < 1301803989 234312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pointer without loss of information, but obviously you couldn't do < 1301803989 234449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetic on it while it was in the form of a cons." < 1301804004 708528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ZETA-C attempted (fairly successfully, I think) to find the right compromise < 1301804004 872035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :between performance and generality. If you looked real closely, there were < 1301804004 872233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of little corners of C semantics where ZETA-C was not correct. In < 1301804004 872344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice, however, one very rarely tripped over any of these. < 1301804004 872453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I used Lisp integers for C `int' and `long'. This meant bignums < 1301804005 708986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be created automatically, as usual in Lisp. Technically this is not a < 1301804007 845295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct C implementation (even though I don't think the standard specifically < 1301804009 766292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :says that the length of `int' and `long' shall be finite, one can take this as < 1301804011 708057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :implied) but it very rarely ran into trouble. The only such case I remember, < 1301804013 706248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was rather amusing, was a program that did something like < 1301804015 710065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1301804017 720498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bignumz! < 1301804023 224595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" int i; < 1301804023 479112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (i = 1; i; i <<= 1) ... < 1301804023 665789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shifting a 1 bit left repeatedly, expecting it to fall off the left end of < 1301804027 641720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word). < 1301804029 702793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1301804037 142727 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1301804266 853587 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301804283 902258 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301804590 683719 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301804739 255348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41:49 i would like to inform you all that i just fixed an error in Gregor's plof implementation using my penis < 1301804739 756545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:42:30 He didn't fix it, he just identified it. < 1301804741 171276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what < 1301804765 906409 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to think I have memory. < 1301804768 167927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. < 1301804772 731472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:45:57 alise: @ despite appearances is a reserved _word_ (operator-like word), not a reserved character, so it doesn't count as special inside other operators. many other things like -- and \ are similar, afair. but somethings work like actual punctuation, like brackets, semicolons and commas. iirc. < 1301804774 494153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *some things < 1301804780 658965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't eithello Gregor! < 1301804787 557823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you toit sure is boring today. < 1301804798 845975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's said anything in the laman, I am a rabbit indeed. < 1301804799 579070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit is down < 1301804800 263684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I am < 1301804811 821477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning #reddit-downtime is crowded with nuts < 1301805256 55551 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301805433 918580 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with troubleshooting is that sometimes trouble shoots back. < 1301805538 292985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+;) = 3 in (+;) < 1301805539 262814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `;' < 1301805572 729810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess allowing ; would just be too weird. < 1301805587 479287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also complicate the indentation rule < 1301805643 17355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+,) = 3 in (+,) < 1301805644 123594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `,' < 1301805791 377048 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it would interact badly with unary minus < 1301805805 624140 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some things already do that < 1301805815 237397 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 == -2 < 1301805816 238826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1301805818 564507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ==-2 < 1301805819 570649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `==-' < 1301805870 8789 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301806457 162288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, now the VM crashes on boot < 1301806463 870854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or not < 1301806494 347681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :das boot < 1301806547 199821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :das u-boot is a bootloader :p < 1301806650 409786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :natürlich < 1301806819 244387 :oerjan_!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301806835 569780 :oerjan_!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1301806840 951864 :oerjan_!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1301806850 382725 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301806858 280777 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301806945 259553 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't like this network error, that's the second time this week < 1301806958 133545 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301806971 928724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's okay *hugs* < 1301806980 574569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, what is your Clearance? < 1301806986 9524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coming from _inside_ the house < 1301806994 253282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What VM? < 1301807040 393496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea i'll try if it happens again, though. < 1301807046 964905 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301807181 927324 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301807277 686861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the router boxes looks like it might be misbehaving, but the other one was recently replaced and now has many more outgoing whatchamacallits, so i may just scratch the misbehaving one. perhaps.) < 1301807493 852206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, genera does not seem to be working < 1301807569 881398 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301807631 785020 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301807680 916019 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: clearence ? < 1301807684 84675 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* clearance < 1301807715 950968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citizen! Failure to properly report your clearance is treason! < 1301807908 709452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: buy me a lisp machine ktnx < 1301808149 855992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENERA FUCKING STARTS < 1301808150 347589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1301808153 477756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1301808157 339915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't dignified any bootup text yet though < 1301808163 770357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the vm froe < 1301808164 266939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ze < 1301808165 11328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1301808206 637330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda disappointed variable isn't rushing to purchase me a lisp machine, that's never happened to me before < 1301808566 120054 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301809330 641573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Vorpal! I think I may have a clue why internet in genera didn't work < 1301809339 792333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Address for GENERA: INTERNET 172.23.24.15" --the define site screen < 1301809342 160153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look right to me! < 1301809364 753029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that is right for the vm < 1301810122 88679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it works. thank you, thank you, thank you for creating this guide. < 1301810148 810422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vODNieQ "It is two hundred sixty-seven words long." < 1301810329 376767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Working on homework tomorrow < 1301810570 42577 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301810604 29878 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301810766 986907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this intro is so awesome < 1301810905 295899 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301812203 190780 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301812539 872874 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301813530 714121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the first full-ASCII terminal? < 1301813535 728466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, both uppercase and lowercase. < 1301813820 585270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, also-belatedly in reply, I half-plan to write a mouse-oriented tiling WM since none seem to exist (apart from... acme). < 1301813826 180610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually wmii might do it... < 1301814591 432997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vlee.sourceforge.net/ < 1301817444 496089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301818059 456686 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301818084 95530 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301818099 447009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have two thoughts about why students resist the idea of functions being values of no fundamentally different character than any others. One source, no doubt, is that many of them have “learned” programming on the street, and have developed all sorts of misconceptions that are being applied here." < 1301818105 464240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous street programming gangs! < 1301818725 442491 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-47-197.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301818910 809591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey Vorpal! I think I may have a clue why internet in genera didn't work <-- oh? < 1301818916 480783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was wrong < 1301818947 311878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, it works, but it's a crapshoot to get it started; half the time the bottom bar loads and I can move my mouse around and it changes but it won't load the rest and clicking out of the window causes X to freeze silently < 1301818953 430257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rare case, it works < 1301818972 334542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't had that issue you mentioned < 1301818981 64347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: it works. thank you, thank you, thank you for creating this guide. <-- so does that mean you think I'm awesome? < 1301818984 199675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it does < 1301819034 429135 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-66-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301819035 335831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dangerous street programming gangs! <-- I like the idea < 1301819085 314100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd be awesome if it didn't hang like that. and if it were faster. and if the scroll wheel worked. < 1301819094 952816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and backspace worked... < 1301819122 17736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the scrollback worked afaik? < 1301819129 656242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1301819133 425634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and delete does what backspace does < 1301819136 925662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does < 1301819139 466734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but delete is annoying to press her < 1301819140 686999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1301819142 256337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn+backspace < 1301819144 734368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1301819150 293891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every F-key :D < 1301819156 883883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1301819159 259540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fn+Shift+F10 was fun to press. < 1301819170 51300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "I now have carpal tunnel" fun < 1301819178 366844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301819185 806425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that is your keyboard's fault < 1301819198 22709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my thinkpad have proper keys for it < 1301819209 312109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1301819212 254898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depends on your definition of proper < 1301819214 751004 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301819215 363826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides Fn+Shift is easy, Fn is right below shift < 1301819219 557773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean clustered at the top in a random jumble... :P < 1301819226 702257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is, but i still had to bend my hand to get both pressed < 1301819232 611501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes < 1301819240 113624 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or move your hand < 1301819255 716579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:32 alise, it's a lovely idea, but I enjoy programming, and as such am a terrible developer. < 1301819255 882841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA THOSE WERE THE DAYS < 1301819260 935459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JULY 2010 EH < 1301819271 754434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what idea? < 1301819284 530406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp OS things. But the point is that PH said he enjoys programming there, ha ha ha < 1301819292 178371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301819322 207492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought he enjoyed procrastinating? < 1301819332 801897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301819340 384632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could write the @ compiler in BitC. < 1301819354 712107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea < 1301819392 103681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or write your own meta compiler in coq? Which is used to compile the compiler < 1301819403 758363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg < 1301819407 591818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301819516 74731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you think a hash tree would work for storing objects in @? < 1301819518 473104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thunkin'. < 1301819566 684059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:17:17 Of course I mean VirtualBox. Writing bootloaders in Visual Basic is so stupid it's almost cool. < 1301819566 849030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA < 1301819634 422248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hash tree? Err? < 1301819637 236600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1301819643 276341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_tree < 1301819713 520692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be used for verification rather? < 1301819732 645278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I think I have a cold < 1301819752 550126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but if you look at the structure... < 1301819757 996747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretend the arrows go the other way... < 1301819763 876046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's suddenly a lookup tree < 1301819841 985595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301819890 371139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09:18 Basically, aliseOS will make you toast, take over the internet so you have some more computing power, make your mind explode every time you use it, and sexually gratify your dog*. < 1301819890 537084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:09:29 *Advanced edition only. < 1301819891 50717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:10:46 But I don't have a dog < 1301819891 216074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:10:57 zzo38: It will buy you a dog first. < 1301819891 216257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:11:28 But I don't need a dog < 1301819925 258045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(12:11:36 Yes, but the dog will be cuddly, you see. But I don't want a dog) < 1301820226 632739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :routine that is a pain to code in python: "if all these lines start with a common whitespace prefix, remove it from all of them" < 1301820759 197798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose . dropWhile ((`elem` [" ", "\t"]) . map head . group) . transpose $ [" \t a ha", " \t\tbc", " \t hm"] < 1301820761 406954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" a ha","\tbcm"," h"] < 1301820776 13485 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301820807 837244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1301820816 730703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1301820904 559756 :cheater00!~cheater@g224203172.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301820934 198767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301820997 590492 :cheater-!~cheater@g228060032.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301821247 513698 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-66-131.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301821639 77167 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-55-253.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301822216 147654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bastard < 1301822222 773588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get it right so i can port it :-D < 1301822363 173078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (drop . length . takeWhile (`elem` [" ","\t"]) . map (map head . group) . transpose) $ [" \t a ha", " \t\tbc", " \t hm"] < 1301822365 126726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" \t hm"] < 1301822372 207363 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er nope < 1301822387 642698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (map . drop . length . takeWhile (`elem` [" ","\t"]) . map (map head . group) . transpose) $ [" \t a ha", " \t\tbc", " \t hm"] < 1301822389 357136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" a ha","\tbc"," hm"] < 1301822431 881690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should strp no prefix < 1301822433 482340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301822437 688973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should strip just the \t < 1301822438 426853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strip < 1301822479 436976 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does what i thought it should... < 1301822496 732490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301822496 898536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301822507 242971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (map . drop . length . takeWhile (`elem` [" ","\t"]) . map (map head . group) . transpose) $ [" x"," x"," x"] < 1301822509 45762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [" x","x"," x"] < 1301822523 849477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to find a way to express that in a way that Idiot Python will understand < 1301822547 430566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t transpose < 1301822548 431909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [[a]] -> [[a]] < 1301822553 613647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] < 1301822554 817640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,4],[2,5],[3,6]] < 1301822558 488006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1301822568 641898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'd probably be easier to convert this whole program to haskell :D < 1301822573 407069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1301822575 435582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301822600 86307 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note i am giving no guarantees that this is the most efficient method, even in haskell... < 1301822653 683527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe i'm brainfreezing on how to do it in python X_X < 1301822712 877599 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301822713 43499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY OERJAN, MAKE AN IMPERATIVE ALGORITHM FOR IT :D < 1301822713 381140 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1301822747 589769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um loop over the first line until you either hit whitespace or something which isn't in all lines? < 1301822753 442697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-whitespace < 1301822829 705718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except that the first line could have more than the prefix < 1301822833 741088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see what you mean < 1301822841 699759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that uh < 1301822843 136924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(mn) < 1301822849 520235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where m is the prefix chars and n is the number of lines apart from the first < 1301822855 984489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange complexity < 1301822890 103154 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not strange, that's how many characters you actually need to check to be sure what to remove < 1301822899 569063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, eys < 1301822900 748773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301822903 287957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still strange! < 1301822985 680577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to drink gravy from one compartment in a telly dinner while there is still liquid in another is not recommended. < 1301822996 721049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1301823136 292486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still O(n) in the actual file size < 1301823325 767233 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301823339 283547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you've now given me the most pathetic image ever. < 1301823365 624816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unemployed mathematician sitting on a sofa with TV dinner liquid all over him. < 1301823504 475737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are you still an unemployed mathematician?) < 1301824326 588868 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. although it was just a little potato water. < 1301824338 871244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a chair, not a sofa. < 1301824382 332497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, i'd PAY oerjan to be an unemployed mathematician < 1301824390 890681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...interesting. < 1301824405 452904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: this counts as employment < 1301824440 869263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1301824532 138430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to disappoint < 1301824539 127216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll pay you to work on @ ;D < 1301824770 613476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Going elsewhere for dessert < 1301824789 530202 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143184.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301824885 376602 :cheater00!~cheater@g224203172.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301825703 761946 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301826788 442782 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-55-253.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301826831 803552 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya < 1301827058 762113 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1301827085 11044 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-19-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301827156 347441 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301827239 681492 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301827248 324774 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301827333 717718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301827407 301251 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301827449 944936 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1301827890 674217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301828020 440753 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301828236 479158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I looked more at the hash-tree, and I can't see how you could use it for lookup < 1301828247 832598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like I said, pretend the arrows go the other way X-D < 1301828251 496659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, each hash is a hash of the entire subset of blocks < 1301828270 782019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed, but I can't figure out how you can make it more than one level deep (a hash-list...) < 1301828353 91710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :True :P < 1301828387 859705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so in other words, it won't work < 1301828392 492920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL < 1301828399 495623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, b-tree is useful :P < 1301828408 981897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you're LOSER :P < 1301828416 994337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay do a b+-tree then < 1301828684 725798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1301830206 798255 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301830305 785460 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029166.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301830393 470952 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143184.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301830901 805678 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301830987 462197 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029166.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301831176 525815 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301831396 366440 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301831794 48965 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301831860 153374 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301832304 653429 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133177.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301832861 431652 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301832949 399079 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-19-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301833287 14972 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-132-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301834162 48720 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301834585 34834 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-132-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301834975 684941 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-97-192.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301835235 645892 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-97-192.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301835254 475681 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301835623 723538 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-107-19.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301839954 459660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29:34 it's like, drowning while strapped to a board and having fun! < 1301840030 424022 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterboarding? < 1301840205 857212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the sport version < 1301840219 384628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:23 olsner: ok so maybe with waterboarding you're actually like < 1301840219 551023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:29 olsner: lying flat on the board at all times < 1301840219 551178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:10 hmm, that could work < 1301840219 551282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:24 although you do that when surfing too, just not all the time < 1301840219 551383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:07 olsner: right, but CONSTANTLY < 1301840219 716655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:09 olsner: ooh < 1301840221 537378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:16 olsner: maybe your arms go underneath, and you tie them to it < 1301840223 633367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:18 same with feet < 1301840225 491659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:21 you become one with the board! < 1301840227 492325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29:34 it's like, drowning while strapped to a board and having fun! < 1301840230 662104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30:39 olsner: yup! < 1301840231 874257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30:46 olsner: just like waterboarding. < 1301840233 563905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32:37 well, the torture version is less likely to kill you I think < 1301840235 651876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolflood < 1301840243 448078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Thank you for this life wisdom: < 1301840245 583485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:26:33 it's all fun and games until you think of the details < 1301840287 782137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, that's so true < 1301840648 443168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:08:46 I also like what I've heard of Nickleback < 1301840648 608857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:09:04 Although the lyrics are objectionable -- I am able to hande that < 1301840648 609039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should only read logs from like 2005 so i don't have to have my nice relaxing times pooped on by terribleness < 1301840688 563890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11:27 Are you saying I can hear the same melody, with different lyrics??? < 1301840688 789126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY LIFE IS FINALLY COMPLETE < 1301840705 360140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had the nick elliott before 2010? < 1301840713 756524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1301840726 589036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That conversation with olsner? < 1301840736 142836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is from 2010-10-30. < 1301840774 300920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1301840790 957752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1301840814 71249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHEN DID YOU THINK IT WAS FROM < 1301840828 235618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THOUGHT IT WAS THE DISTANT PAST < 1301840834 813167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE, 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO < 1301840976 829912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU THINK THAT'S DISTANT, I WAS IN HERE A WHOLE ONE TIME IN 2006 < 1301840983 871128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep ehird 06.* 20 < 1301840984 37650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.12.29:12:42:41 --- join: ehird (n=ehird@user-5440e204.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #esoteric < 1301840984 37870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.12.29:12:43:09 --- part: ehird left #esoteric < 1301840984 37976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% < 1301840990 319193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FULLY FIVE YEARS AGO < 1301841007 361593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK WHEN I WAS ELLIOTT'S REAL AGE < 1301841014 995246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THREE) < 1301841032 836362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep ehird 06.* | wc -l < 1301841033 2573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1301841033 2791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep ehird 07.* | wc -l < 1301841033 2900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :25729 < 1301841036 853259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWRTH < 1301841039 403716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GROWTH < 1301841043 326268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1301841055 73295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25729/2 < 1301841055 812327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12864.5 < 1301841071 625341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25729 * 12864.5 < 1301841072 386060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.309907205e8 < 1301841080 380370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY PREDICTION IS MADE < 1301841166 416160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% for i in 06 07 08 09 10; do grep "^..:..:.. <(ehird|elliott|alise|iEhird)[^>]*>" $i.* | wc -l; done < 1301841166 620386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1301841166 620555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23597 < 1301841166 620672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :52801 < 1301841166 620777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :180807 < 1301841168 519573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :181962 < 1301841173 200337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STATISTICS < 1301841193 546597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURE BUT YOU CAN'T BEAT ELEGANCE < 1301841262 760540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm amazed you were able to increase your activity from '09 to '10 despite being institutionalised for most of it.) < 1301841335 537972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have NO IDEA how quickly I can type on an iPhone now. < 1301841355 177746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, '10 I was locked up, '09 I was free. But yeah, no idea how I managed to quadruple my activity :P < 1301841391 158516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should totally implement my iPhone lockout mechanism on my family's WiFi network just to annoy my father and sister.) < 1301841394 923214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)// < 1301841426 967697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define your iPhone lockout mechanism. Character in password not on iPhone keyboards? < 1301841445 825498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301841508 527441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54:38 HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1301841508 732961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54:48 i had OS/2 Warp once. < 1301841508 733150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:02 i had all those fucking floppies < 1301841508 733258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:04 it never worked. < 1301841508 733362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are just poets < 1301841515 983409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:41 catseye: summary of computing. < 1301841518 548881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are DOUBLE POETS < 1301841544 380424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :== SUMMARY OF COMPUTING== < 1301841551 676176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had OS/2 Warp once. < 1301841557 891114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had all those fucking floppies. < 1301841561 197805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never worked. < 1301841609 325404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb editing [[wikipedia:computing]] < 1301841780 694223 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-16.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301841910 940109 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301842118 381396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:21:31 (i'll have an orange coke. let's slap a bsd gpl on this thing and check it into the github sccs.) < 1301842466 54288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:14:27 There's a squirrel that lives near my building that I see every so often. I can recognize it's the same squirrel because it has no tail. It is a constant reminder that, visually speaking anyway, squirrels are approximately 50% tail. < 1301842528 225277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a half-a-squirrel < 1301842571 677202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would nicely symmetrical if there was a squirrel tail running about somewhere < 1301842643 810932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 3 12:32:11 rutian thttpd[25281]: 92.240.68.152 - - "GET /wp-content/uploads/2008/10/game-console.jpg HTTP/1.1" 404 0 "http://www.altavista.com/image/randomlink" "webcollage/1.135a" < 1301842644 825177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301843216 243684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alta Vista? < 1301843219 503786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still exists? < 1301843291 807768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301843381 681150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's an altvista-themed frontend for yahoo nowadays < 1301843520 724453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301843556 230548 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S STILL MORNING < 1301843565 565593 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing WORK < 1301843568 411916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IT'S NOT < 1301843569 360139 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still MORNING < 1301843571 239024 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on SUNDAY < 1301843576 974235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey what happened to pikhq, < 1301843608 198809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he died < 1301843611 276003 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He /nick'd to pingveno a while ago and doesn't seem to talk much recently. < 1301843620 963346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1301843623 308415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALMOST BELIEVABLE < 1301843758 858294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: btw: so gonna work on that forth again < 1301843834 96486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nice < 1301843878 133167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: one problem is i need to copy the dictionary elsewhere, cuz right now it's in my code :D < 1301843901 548297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put it at the end of your code, can't you just keep adding to it? :) < 1301843948 263417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 0x55 0xAA < 1301843957 37632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel like making sure that aligns as some junk dictionary word < 1301844043 597584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how did i break my interpreter < 1301844100 212598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: some of the words are promisingly tiny though < 1301844101 844940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :store: pop bx ; addr < 1301844102 75928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop ax ; value < 1301844102 241608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov word [bx], ax < 1301844102 241800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : next < 1301844109 620877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where next is < 1301844113 112705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchg sp, bp < 1301844113 363282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ret < 1301844161 894185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh doing the forth again? heh < 1301844181 366020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, adding digit reading support and writing a compiler. < 1301844209 250657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301844228 686986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, chances of fitting it in 510 bytes? < 1301844238 726042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decent i guess? < 1301844246 33676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more likely if i remove the interpeter :D < 1301844247 746068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1301844248 915118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interpreter < 1301844258 10700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's a forth there, you just can't get at it" < 1301844325 671095 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/interpreter/REPL/? < 1301844380 161472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, forth terminology is interpreter < 1301844384 999196 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1301844387 233457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke < 1301844401 211923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: a forth interpreter reads words and executes them. a forth compiler reads words and compiles them into a new word definition < 1301844414 369832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you invoke the compiler with the : word in the interpreter < 1301844437 182141 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, but presumably the main problem isn't the interpreter /per se/, but the keyboard interrupt driver, display, all that BS. < 1301844457 5167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, still, the interpreter is my longest subroutine :P < 1301844462 47035 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1301844476 929957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/chBI < 1301844509 992274 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwow, we actually get to see some code? < 1301844518 800046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S YOUR SCRAP < 1301844522 545170 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ahem" is a good block name :P < 1301844535 857969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what inspired me to call that ahem :D < 1301844595 458183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should factor out that word-finder < 1301844611 336155 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301844687 386343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FWIW, the definition of "Forth" this thing uses is very loose :P < 1301844725 881713 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301844765 594601 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, being /spiritually/ Forth is what's important, not being e.g. ANS Forth :P < 1301844787 273269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Define spiritually :P < 1301844814 654596 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must worship the great Forth god. < 1301844820 25346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it does. < 1301844913 149431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey omnipit-olsner, after a jz and a ret, will another jz have the same branch? < 1301844916 316453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could it branch any old way < 1301844929 502384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. does jz or ret invalidate/reset the flag < 1301845072 599105 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301845664 25034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you need that compiler? Can't you just do threaded code? < 1301845672 802071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1301845679 165693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :string threaded I mean < 1301845685 963990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in, interpret everything < 1301845693 220888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz 2 learn how forth works < 1301845698 603161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1301845790 747408 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301846384 316047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301846387 695654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do additions to bl overflow into bh? < 1301846421 515861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _dear_ that's broken < 1301846972 240590 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301846997 799441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue with firefox 4: if I type a m at the start of the address bar, it eats it up as a short cut for switch to tab. Extremely annoying. Any idea how to disable? < 1301847035 347339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Chrome < 1301847071 311005 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there are some things I don't like with chrome. < 1301847366 235483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE HOW THEY SEND ALL YOUR DATA TO THE GOOGLES AM I RIGHT < 1301847388 929887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1301847481 26424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. I'm talking about stuff like where the tab bar is. (Yes I know their motivation for it, I don't like it still.) And how it doesn't look native in a Gnome environment. < 1301847495 117681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not last I checked. < 1301847498 433256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are themes to make it native for just about any gnome theme. < 1301847504 812907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That + tell it to use WM decorations. < 1301847509 558656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks flawless here. < 1301847514 855613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as for the tab bar? < 1301847532 68543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you won't use a browser because of a few pixels difference in where the tab bar is placed, I say you're making up excuses. < 1301847571 804983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, I couldn't find advanced options for cookie acception last I looked. And is there a noscript for chrome? Adblock? Firebug? < 1301847581 598505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move the tabs to the side with dev channel IIRC < 1301847592 503468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: noscript yes (built in even, but there are extensions too) < 1301847595 11227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock yes < 1301847600 654905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firebug? < 1301847602 980497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firebug maybe. there's always the webkit inspector which works fine for me < 1301847606 713288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301847608 923290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has basically the same features < 1301847624 444640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :including modifying it on the fly? < 1301847625 339899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also http://getfirebug.com/releases/lite/chrome/ < 1301847628 491390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, duh. < 1301847629 908513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has that. < 1301847630 453007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301847636 240084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firebug lite is shitty though imo < 1301847640 852130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inspector works fine < 1301847644 74181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, so what about the cookie stuff? < 1301847655 79675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/?hl=en < 1301847656 738099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFGI :P < 1301847670 67916 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301847670 363578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb?hl=en ;; TOTALLY OFFICIAL (TM) adblock < 1301847704 561422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep looks good < 1301847767 279514 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301847785 465864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ppfdcmehpgiojcjgpclmfnbnpdmcmbgo ;; clearlooks scrollbars, not a full theme though :-p < 1301847856 654208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I recommend using the official repos btw on an distro that can. (the .deb from their frontpage just adds an apt repository, installs the chrome package, and self-destructs) < 1301847865 209983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome updates far more frequently than debian or ubuntu do :-P < 1301847892 878071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1301847904 636559 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I found how to disable the thing in firefox < 1301848318 284094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ghnea/those_of_you_labeled_smart_how_has_it_affected_you/ < 1301848321 162128 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301848323 296829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, impending sense of dread. < 1301848816 808603 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolololFAIL < 1301849107 365800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's Well-Known(tm) that telling kids they're smart kills 'em :P < 1301849160 474510 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301849184 384377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least my parents refuse to acknowledge that I am in any way talented. < 1301849340 979713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: QUITE RIGHT HUR HUR < 1301849351 301411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, -_- < 1301849418 716820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301849430 284635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1301849439 170084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301849455 130863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: most houses are actually haunted, but by especially shy ghosts who never make their presence known < 1301849467 459554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... okay < 1301849481 4098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds logical < 1301849492 770513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1301849500 549614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's just a theory < 1301849505 697155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one that's kind-of hard to disprove < 1301849521 210941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301849524 754055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a theory < 1301849532 892083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even by the informal sense < 1301849535 947906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not falsifiable < 1301849570 713006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you mean hypothesis, not theory < 1301849572 492446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, why is btr behaving wrongly? < 1301849583 676173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: theory means hypothesis in informal conversation. < 1301849591 259794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301849597 460177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh what ais523 said is just a religious belief, so it's a wild conjecture, not a theory or a hypothesis or anything :) < 1301849599 543013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is wonderfully confusing < 1301849622 844539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure it is religious. Belief though yes. < 1301849630 532444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is religious < 1301849636 261501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so= < 1301849637 526179 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the informal sense, basically any sequence of words is a theory, even nonsense :P < 1301849644 637443 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's my theory anyway HERP DURP) < 1301849648 997709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a superstitious belief only able to be taken on faith < 1301849660 673485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301849671 356844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so yes it is conjecture indeed < 1301849673 759848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could institute some kind of requirement for popularity to be a religious belief, but i don't think that'd hold up in practice < 1301849725 790839 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301849745 426624 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1301849782 525064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wtf is u pwit hthis :/ < 1301849813 872616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it's going the wrong way around < 1301849815 774467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up with this < 1301849850 780543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you talking about < 1301849855 582906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my forth < 1301849881 302728 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301849899 552943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301849966 673184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the first on-topic thing i've done in ever >:D < 1301850017 349745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a superstitious belief only able to be taken on faith ← I wouldn't define religiousness purely on that basis. < 1301850026 477816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "religious belief", not "religion" < 1301850118 609476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1301850120 702154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner olsner olsner :D < 1301850154 188498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DUH < 1301850157 454991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's not working < 1301850159 530668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm a stupid fuck < 1301850269 682448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1301850272 410054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer reading works! < 1301850282 259302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal: now is your chance to convince me it needs to support hex < 1301850305 586258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: in an unprecedented innovation, you can write your integers in packed-letter format < 1301850309 642386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just prefix a word with a 0! < 1301850315 385385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can mix and match < 1301850324 27870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qw9f70 is a number. i'm not sure which. < 1301850365 873851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well 6e2 is a block drawing character. < 1301850378 772801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0qwe apparently fails to qualify for number status. < 1301850554 159412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Phantom_Hoover: ais523: WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY OUT THE FRTH510 DEVELOPER'S PREVIEW < 1301850565 874350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not right now < 1301850573 144303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1301850576 735243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe another day < 1301850577 144692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's only a 512 byte download! < 1301850579 734313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implements SEVERAL words! < 1301850586 84638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can entertain you for whole SECONDS with a simple qemu call! < 1301850598 441791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal: now is your chance to convince me it needs to support hex <-- it doesn't < 1301850618 521883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I would need to install qemu < 1301850660 524582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bochs also works < 1301850667 548108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not installed either < 1301850674 860136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox...might work < 1301850675 863507 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only have virtualbox around for virtualisation < 1301850743 244016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how long does it take for you to install a package X-D < 1301850803 814970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do YOU want to try < 1301850809 866893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1301850911 753714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHY NOT < 1301850926 749963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NEVER REALLY LEARNED FORTH < 1301850961 221001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It isn't Forth, it only has six words, of which three you can actually use. < 1301850974 753473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other three? < 1301850990 787108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is broken and the other two have no discernable effects from inside the interpreter. < 1301850997 33089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I appear to have broken a word. < 1301851097 681180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ANYWAY THEORETICALLY THIS SYSTEM CAN ALREADY DO ANYTHING < 1301851104 412933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS POKE TO THE RIGHT LOCATIONS IN THE PROGRAM < 1301851106 616513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO THAT IT DOES WHAT YOU WANT < 1301851347 261810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, develop the rest using that < 1301851351 645074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no :D < 1301851358 789842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, come on < 1301851362 953948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a wonderful idea < 1301851371 526758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an assembler and a lot of patience it could be done. < 1301851388 693179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want to poke the dictionary so that you have a new entry, "do stuff", that points to some code far away < 1301851392 432608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, real men pokes memory directly. With a magnetic needle < 1301851404 519758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you could just modify that code by assembling it manually and poking the words in < 1301851410 535528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1301851420 320807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how many bytes is it currently? < 1301851449 675734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 and something last I checked. it's going to expand, obviously, to grow a compiler and more words, but it's also going to contract as I microoptimise < 1301851461 786526 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301851464 339012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out the most ghetto possible way to do IF ... THEN < 1301851473 940474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, test, jmp? < 1301851476 198551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmov? < 1301851478 527971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that simple < 1301851485 45502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most forths, if leaves a special marker on the stack < 1301851489 532769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then goes back and twiddles it with the pointer to the THEN < 1301851490 595328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not jmp obviously < 1301851492 435004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it knows where to jump to < 1301851494 628883 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :jne rather < 1301851496 600869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with mine < 1301851498 703419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF will just: < 1301851501 588441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) look at the call stack < 1301851504 788208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) read the calling word's code < 1301851514 833891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) skip past the call instructions until it finds the address of THEN < 1301851517 228137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) jumps there < 1301851518 980114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's false, that is) < 1301851536 651061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works by inspecting the machine code that called it :D < 1301851543 4576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301851552 918497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see you do THAT in C < 1301851576 193009 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy enough unless you meant portable C < 1301851584 483300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will that cope with nested ifs? < 1301851590 107554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it won't < 1301851597 708813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1301851601 466809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Good luck getting predictable enough code from the C compiler to manage that < 1301851606 990809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what's the need? you can just define multiple words < 1301851613 681508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: iirc colorforth doesn't support nested ifs either < 1301851627 604894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm also leaving out ELSE support for the same reason as colorforth; simpler to implement a separate return) < 1301851684 519221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in forth it's normal not to support nested ifs at all? < 1301851690 161011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not in *forth* < 1301851696 368596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth hardly counts as normal forth :-D < 1301851717 680367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but anyway this lets me avoid any complicated "compile semantics". < 1301851722 833711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has one... semantic. < 1301851735 938425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from integer literals, which are treated specially by both interpreter and compiler :) < 1301851740 127537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301851751 383207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are in a real forth, too, just they have a needless level of indirection (LITERAL)) < 1301851779 696978 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301851785 733509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think this also means that IF...THEN will fail badly in the interpreter :) < 1301851813 550811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'll try and look at the interpreter's source code, which is ofc free-form x86 < 1301851823 412114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares, define a temporary word! < 1301851876 111754 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301851882 538655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301851901 963098 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1301851907 963801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat's hi < 1301851917 378708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with norwegians and puns < 1301851956 105108 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Ale) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301851966 120657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: fwiw, yoob feedback: for some reason, loading a new language hangs the thing for several seconds < 1301851971 931401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also clicking the about language button. < 1301851980 996427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite disconcerting < 1301851986 53489 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll work on it < 1301851996 460922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ah. i see the problem. what we need is MORE SPEED" < 1301852002 866487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed(); speed(); speed(); < 1301852036 784762 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to load new classes in the background < 1301852037 749999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i clicked edit in ale and the whole applet went white :D < 1301852062 731784 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that before < 1301852099 361489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : speed(); speed(); speed(); <-- that obviously has some call overhead without an inlining compiler! ;P < 1301852117 670853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hm right < 1301852118 500349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, any plans to add Lazy K :P < 1301852121 106414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: if you click about -> done < 1301852126 94695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: edit/reset/step/run become ungreyed < 1301852129 43596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1301852138 744622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then clicking edit borks it < 1301852163 49868 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that < 1301852182 974701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not sure why edit starts off greyed < 1301852189 19318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it leaves no way to actually input an initial program < 1301852216 732441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the brainfuck input thing reorders text if you type quickly :p < 1301852249 349538 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? the input thing is just a JTextArea... < 1301852261 468191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the implementation deletes characters from it and repositions the cursor as it goes < 1301852273 340378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you type faster than java can wake up and remove the characters, your typing gets out of order < 1301852281 665248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing! can become ng!testi or whatever < 1301852298 938502 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the input box, not the program-editing box < 1301852300 345757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try typing hello world into revcat right as it starts < 1301852300 770753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301852437 853608 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be a custom control of some kind, not a textarea. < 1301852441 364007 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301852486 444650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why ls is called ls. After all it stands for list directory? Shouldn't it be ld or lsd then? Not sure why the linker is ld... Link Objects? Should be lo? < 1301852486 756519 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301852497 763436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: preferably just a box that can hold one char? < 1301852501 284942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and silently buffers them behind the scenes < 1301852515 246796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: List Segments from Multics < 1301852516 96129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 'list segments' < 1301852525 775481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Multics, (collection of) segment(s) = file < 1301852530 922862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1301852555 746176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where ld comes from < 1301852559 538245 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was carefully chosen to produce a unique value in an existing perfect hash function < 1301852560 685610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301852569 211230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, heh :P < 1301852621 604812 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link on up Dem objects < 1301852627 532039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you should implement frth in yoob :-P < 1301852629 194600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301852660 751233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: linkers used to be called loaders < 1301852669 115914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ld is a plausible abbreviation for "loader" < 1301852672 350251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, right, I think the Multics one was a loader < 1301852817 437798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEHOW I FEEL CATSEYE DOES NOT EXPERIENCE A WAVE OF EXCITEMENT AT THIS IDEA < 1301852818 783428 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301852821 591107 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1301852825 307912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg impomatic heard < 1301852827 980854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on the forth < 1301852829 491640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has spies < 1301852836 714091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone just made a 14-bit quantum register < 1301852842 775335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's twice as much as the state of the art a few years ago < 1301852849 91827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're second-class persons? < 1301852858 906484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is forcing the hand of a person allowed like that? < 1301852859 230965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, someone just made a 14-bit quantum register <-- wow < 1301852864 872223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they haven't hooked it up into an actual quantum computers < 1301852866 467458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer < 1301852868 462595 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott: what precisely are you writing? < 1301852879 166467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm continuing work on my 510-byte Forth. < 1301852893 737194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I've added integer literals; after I fix this pesky bug, I'll be adding a compiler. < 1301852915 690429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: And then I will RULE THE WORLD < 1301852937 165378 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only until Itsy-Forth is released :-P < 1301852945 131720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Will IT be 510 bytes of x86? < 1301852947 177227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK NOT < 1301852952 789407 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was "frth" a typo? < 1301852955 455261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no < 1301852959 771737 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saves a byte :P < 1301852960 924224 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find it < 1301852963 678354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: TECHNICALLY all this work is superfluous; it has poke, you can just poke the program you want into memory and cause the interpreter to jump there with a well-placed additional poke. So I'm DONE ALREADY and it's like 200 bytes. < 1301852981 922947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's because it's neither adequately specified, implemented entirely, or mentioned outside of here ever < 1301852984 594599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed given a name < 1301853009 729471 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frth = your 510-byte Forth? < 1301853016 776010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :) < 1301853017 336027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you mean FRTH? The fingerprint? < 1301853034 825487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: space constraints are twisting it into, uh, something more than a little esoteric < 1301853048 759877 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'll be as long as it needs to be, probably 1K. Otherwise it'll be missing some features. < 1301853053 96855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: WELL THEN! < 1301853081 411352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, impomatic: you are both doing it wrong. Do it in VHDL < 1301853089 712184 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make it smaller if I didn't worry about strict ANS compatibility. < 1301853096 936473 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll have to implement something representing the functional/combinatorial world at some point. Lazy K is probably easier to implement than Unlambda. (guessing) < 1301853103 177849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I reject your culture of demanding software spend bytes on implementing SO-CALLED ``features'' at the alter of NEEDLESS BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY. < 1301853124 516315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indeed, your BUREAUCRATIC programming style is OBSOLETE and OUTMODED! You would STEAL another 512 bytes from the user for no gain at all! < 1301853133 514844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPPORT FRTH, ONE TRUE MINIMALIST FORTH < 1301853139 545183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T REQUIRE DOS EITHER BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME < 1301853139 711310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Unlambda has a few features that more or less make it deliberately awkward to implement < 1301853156 12732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, DOS is awesome, nothing should require an awesome thing < 1301853163 910508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301853329 895353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with some of these bugs :/ < 1301853331 13331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm oh wait < 1301853331 444948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301853346 29987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1301853469 44510 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really possible to make the interpreter/compiler loop much smaller than 100 bytes. < 1301853519 743689 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, there's a #forth channel :-) < 1301853532 830108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know the freebsd bootloader has forth? < 1301853540 968141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah? < 1301853542 43210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could your forth replace that one? < 1301853552 13943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the bootloader smaller < 1301853552 788676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I know, but last time I was in it ams wouldn't shut up. < 1301853564 322377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Also, err, my interpreter is smaller than that. < 1301853579 607814 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... I'd be interested in seeing it. < 1301853580 979168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably not without losing the remaining bootloader functionality :P < 1301853581 144186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe like 50 bytes? < 1301853587 151206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hah < 1301853606 531949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://sprunge.us/JaXb Here's the currently-something's-broken version :P < 1301853614 754775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two commented out lines really should be there, there's just some weird bug I'm tracking down. < 1301853616 416702 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freebsd bootloader doesn't reside in the bootblock < 1301853627 439588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, ah < 1301853628 85598 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bootblock/MBR/ < 1301853639 424339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Unless you count the word reader and word finder (as in, dictionary lookup) in the byte count. < 1301853644 849715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: But since the compiler reuses them.. < 1301853647 700266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them... < 1301853681 723611 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My loop is compiler and interpreter. Probably why it's bigger. < 1301853685 538326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two example word bodies: < 1301853686 746440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch: pop bx < 1301853686 961417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : push word [bx] < 1301853687 430253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : next < 1301853689 254985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :store: pop bx ; addr < 1301853691 256857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop ax ; value < 1301853693 253513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov word [bx], ax < 1301853695 260401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : next < 1301853698 290693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: My compiler is a separate word; I'm curious, why are yours intertwined? < 1301853718 792149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(next is just xchg sp, bp; ret) < 1301853738 624948 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep the top stack entry in a register instead of on the stack. Makes some of the code smaller. < 1301853742 49834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that store comes out to four bytes, btw) < 1301853746 660639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, slightly more < 1301853752 527531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 bytes < 1301853755 374390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including next) < 1301853758 957307 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch: mov bx, word [bx] < 1301853763 382807 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : next < 1301853770 593218 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301853775 496494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch is six bytes including next < 1301853787 424752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Well, yeah, that makes some code shorter. < 1301853793 7235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: But the stack manipulation words would require more juggling. < 1301853800 360966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as pushes. < 1301853800 563999 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301853800 994276 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301853801 158840 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301853802 727594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure it pays off. < 1301853806 205665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What's your NEXT? < 1301853808 695094 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :store: pop word [bx] < 1301853812 383206 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : pop bx < 1301853814 895907 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : next < 1301853818 724595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm doing subroutine threaded code, btw. < 1301853834 647571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how does that store work at all... < 1301853834 812577 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301853853 984836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that reversed? < 1301853879 207742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the pop-to-dereference trick though :P < 1301853888 417289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :store is now 6 bytes X-D < 1301853948 218565 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have two different NEXT. At the moment I can do indirect of direct threaded. < 1301853956 108773 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of EQU or < 1301853968 638116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, subroutine threaded pays off massively. < 1301853976 42947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can reuse the short x86 stack instructions. < 1301853997 929387 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use INT 3 for next. It's only 1 byte :-) < 1301854014 742413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is ret... < 1301854126 808493 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you handle the return address if you're using the stack for other stuff? < 1301854138 628859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: xchg sp, bp :P < 1301854203 373254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301854207 778367 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So each word starts and ends with xchg sp, bp? < 1301854227 171598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: No -- each word ends with it, and then a ret. Well, usually; as long as it ends up in the right place at the end it can do whatever it wants. < 1301854235 363593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: The initial swap is done by the interpreter loop I pasted. < 1301854281 887206 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301854339 476659 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you get nearly zero dB loss in the 100-500 KHz range, and only negligble dropout thereafter < 1301854366 785919 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301854380 929057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ...yes...what < 1301854406 31438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, Take my love, take my land < 1301854439 670964 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301854448 224706 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, wrong channel? < 1301854459 464513 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even seen the series < 1301854474 497565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mindboggles
< 1301854487 55813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I haven't seen the series either < 1301854500 53887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you're not named after it, though < 1301854514 667182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, uh... His nick is after the insect obviously < 1301854518 50850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I know firefly is not just the name of a series) < 1301854544 268088 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started using this nick long before I knew about the series :P < 1301854548 418834 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VORPAL THIS IS NEVER THE WRONG CHANNEL < 1301854557 862518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, touche < 1301854643 223490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how do I perform esoterica spells? < 1301854681 673555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, usually you write a program in Malbolge that outputs an underload program that perform the task < 1301854684 898914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :performs* < 1301854857 623427 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone refresh my memory: the lambdas in FALSE aren't proper closures, right? If I do like [n;] then change the value stored in n, executing that lambda won't give me the original value of n? < 1301854886 585630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, that's unrelated to proper closures < 1301854889 101538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define x 42) < 1301854892 882855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define f (lambda () x)) < 1301854896 925134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set! x 24) < 1301854898 579009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f) => 24 < 1301854919 554159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since afaik all false vars are global < 1301854936 921947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: more importantly, it's not a real false unless you support `... :) < 1301854959 736642 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can't properly close over values" then < 1301854998 188857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have local variables, then of course you can't close over values :) < 1301855012 487209 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, in my book anyway, you don't have closures < 1301855035 997987 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, you could close over globals by copying them when constructing the closure < 1301855049 487384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it i'm sure! with `! < 1301855103 222586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't get the impression catseye is rushing to implement ` either < 1301855116 879671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why, 68000 emulator in java sounds like fun < 1301855129 199692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you'd also have to require amiga OS files < 1301855131 643812 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch sufficiently 68000 emulator in Java. < 1301855135 679045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301855244 301394 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, 68000-subset emulator in MBR. An unusually not mephitic project. < 1301855251 501651 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many instructions you could do. < 1301855364 823017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with these "catch sufficiently"? < 1301855390 173825 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1301855515 536739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they're caught sufficiently < 1301855515 740525 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301855539 322370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm obviously not catching sufficiently < 1301855583 94161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try catching more sufficiently < 1301855586 992849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unusually not metphitic task < 1301855597 207900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while you're at it, enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity! < 1301855598 547129 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wtf is "metphitic"? < 1301855608 689512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh are all these from the same source? < 1301855609 275356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: have a nice kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen. < 1301855614 279651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1301855623 388567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then what is the source of the other two= < 1301855629 90332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1301855632 924655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric? :) < 1301855634 161815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which other two < 1301855639 937347 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those other two --> < 1301855652 34510 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, catching sufficiently and metphitic task < 1301855666 896221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :former is recent esowiki spammer < 1301855683 33990 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was the latter < 1301855704 874833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mephitic, please stop failing at spelling things right in front of you < 1301855706 765347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite offensive < 1301855711 255238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301855714 847208 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CAN'T I DANCE LIKE THE SNOWFLAKES < 1301855755 85613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because society will never accept alternative lifestyles < 1301855761 836060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you're no snowflake, obviously you can't dance like one < 1301855765 775709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-01.txt:11:41:30: (diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Velato/‎; 05:01 . . (+169) . . 195.211.160.6 (Talk) (Unusually not mephitic forum!!!! Epilogue to bookmarks. To a countless extent wares resource. Greatly much admins) < 1301855768 181539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both were spammers. < 1301855773 149833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's mephitic, please stop failing at spelling things right in front of you <-- I copy pasted your line " an unusually not metphitic task" < 1301855783 350284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301855785 568032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mephitic < 1301855786 982915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shameful of me < 1301855793 964858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1301855797 358189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this discussion from a little typo... < 1301855803 20601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ENJOY BEING LOCKED IN YOUR MATRIX OF SOLIDITY, ASSHOLE < 1301855807 218687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does mephitic mean? < 1301855821 140521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :miasmic: of noxious stench from atmospheric pollution < 1301855821 372342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1301855896 302830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, google has word definitions now < 1301855911 861701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: wanna debug my ugly asm? :D < 1301855917 698820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "define:x" has existed for years < 1301855919 828954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1301855921 94842 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mephitic asm < 1301855959 106678 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: true, but I don't want to have to remember having to add "define:" < 1301855976 179590 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you only get crappy definitions with define:x < 1301855977 997591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this thing refuse to acknowledge mephitic solidity :/ < 1301855982 236853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna cry < 1301855992 822786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h^@¸^Gh^@<8c>^W¼ÿÿ½^@<80>è1^@1öë^G&Ç^D^@^@FFè-^@èF^@èt^@<83>ÿ^@t^Oh^U|<87>åÿe^D<87>åS<87>åëÜ&Ç^D?^GFFëÓ0À1ÿ¹ ^OóªÃ&fÇ^Do^Gk^G<89>ð³ öó@<^X^?^Eöã<89>ÆÃ1öëÚf1Û0äÍ^V&<88>^DF&Æ^D^GF< u^AÃfÁã^E,@$^_^HÃëâf^Oºë^_,00äkÛ < 1301855993 50125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^AÃëÒ¿â|f9^]u^AÃ<83>=^@t^E<83>Ç^Fëð1ÿÃ<87>åè´ÿÃ[ÿ7<87>åÃ[<8f>^G<87>åÃX<87>å_P<87>åÿç<87>å_X<87>åPÿçX&<88>^DF&Æ^D^GF<87>åÃ^D}^^^@^@^@»|òQ^@^@Á|²=i^@Ê|4µ^B^@Ó|^\^@^@^@^@^@^@^@µ| < 1301855995 700648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol how is it still that small < 1301855997 195721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: true, but I don't want to have to remember having to add "define:" <-- the non-crappy ones been around for years too < 1301856001 538550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how :| < 1301856031 400713 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I don't mind having a look for a few minutes. < 1301856040 886436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: trust me, you don't want to :) < 1301856043 26498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unbelievably hideous < 1301856061 411720 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind ugly code. < 1301856061 853714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301856064 948519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing that dictionary entry fixed it < 1301856073 619477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4+2 is 6 right? just checking < 1301856153 992766 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be more ugly than this : C >R 256 15 16 1799 4 13107 2 21845 R> 4 0 DO TUCK OVER AND -ROT INVERT AND ROT / + LOOP ; < 1301856163 464850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sent it in /msg, trade secret after all :P < 1301856166 1672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pertinent comment is at the bottom < 1301856168 591742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would you noun mephitic? mephicity? < 1301856169 213710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; If this is uncommented, then trying to execute @ (= 0) reports "?" < 1301856176 433346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, that's the city of Mephi < 1301856186 86271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mephiticity? < 1301856186 249686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes youtube fails badly: [download] 62.1% of 133.44M at 63.31k/s ETA 13:37 < 1301856194 898347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: also, the other things that are commented out are commented out "permanently" < 1301856196 610102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the video is about 6 minutes < 1301856198 394797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there are no debug hacks left in this < 1301856203 945042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way that buffering could work here < 1301856208 893292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1301856209 127870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301856215 655288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1301856216 400094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1301856218 266112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it fixed itself < 1301856221 775522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forgot to uncomment the dictionary entry < 1301856235 16775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: basically I _think_ fword is somehow broken < 1301856249 378203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can't be more ugly than this : C >R 256 15 16 1799 4 13107 2 21845 R> 4 0 DO TUCK OVER AND -ROT INVERT AND ROT / + LOOP ; <-- "DO TUCK OVER AND" look a bit like intercal somehow < 1301856261 176850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE DO TUCK OVER AND UNDER < 1301856267 619400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the DO followed by a bunch of caps, I think < 1301856271 374754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep < 1301856344 60542 :Zuu!~vdsvsd@77.215.149.86 QUIT : < 1301856427 853075 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301856513 195355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1301856523 699350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're wanted in #esoteric-minecraft < 1301856538 279661 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say it isn't so < 1301856564 142710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, what isn't so? < 1301856580 321067 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything, doesn't really matter < 1301856639 507914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, ais523 theory about ghosts probably isn't so :P < 1301856643 249971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy ? < 1301856703 179106 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301856704 531366 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1301856709 102848 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what theory was that? < 1301856742 645399 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :involves Feather probably < 1301856758 71475 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301856761 189620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just ghosts < 1301856764 745074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shy ghosts < 1301857113 954068 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will summarize: Ghosts are all over the damn place, but they're fucking pussies. < 1301857121 645357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301857124 351184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpret the last two words in either of the two obvious ways. < 1301857207 66174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, theory: most houses are actually haunted, but by especially shy ghosts who never make their presence known < 1301857396 671117 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this combines well with my theory that upon death, the human soul remains on earth but becomes remarkably timid < 1301857620 93182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hughes has a job now? < 1301857629 770996 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred my statement of the "theory" < 1301857788 603006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam hughes has always had a job ever < 1301857867 762089 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1301857868 801854 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sam Hughes (January 18, 1824–April 1, 1898) was the last great ophicleide player and one of the greatest who ever played the instrument in its short history." < 1301857875 983160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301857891 324015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should set that as his twitter bio :D < 1301857891 531516 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now he's too shy and also non-corporeal so can't < 1301857985 325122 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had not heard of the ophicleide before. That's quite the instrumet. < 1301857988 677945 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instrument < 1301858041 472180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sam hughes has always had a job ever ← what about the constant moaning about him not being able to get a job in the older entries? < 1301858046 245986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean < 1301858049 312073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after time started beganning < 1301858051 192298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he jobbed < 1301858075 875305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to his Twitter, BtW? < 1301858081 384240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, internet commentators cannot resist being irritating snooty douchebags: "If I had a choice, I'd take NO beer. If I didn't have a choice, and was faced with the prospect of spending the rest of my life required to drink beer regularly, I'd probably drown myself in the waves." < 1301858093 863434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://twitter.com/qntm. He is forgiven for his slander against J THIS ONE TIME. < 1301858151 742860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, now I have to google what "ophicleide" is < 1301858162 125246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's a weird brass thing. < 1301858175 405881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and why isn't it played any more? < 1301858216 599305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's only room for so many brass instruments? < 1301858221 405415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tau is the Dvorak of trigonometry." < 1301858224 195630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fair enough < 1301858228 67410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAM HUGHES AGREES WITH ME HAH < 1301858236 362868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS PIKHQ I MUST GLOAT < 1301858238 870109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you like Dvorak music? < 1301858254 589169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1301858255 751552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suspiciously plausible hypothesis proposed on Metafilter: Simon Pegg and Nick Frost are Sam Vimes and Fred Colon. < 1301858259 634084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFGYESYESYSEYSYEYSEYSYEYSESY < 1301858265 525365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS ALSO PROPOSED ON REDIT < 1301858267 363941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*REDDIT < 1301858277 484370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh the keyboard layout? < 1301858280 724323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO SHUT UP YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A METAFILTER ACCOUNT < 1301858424 996889 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : SAM HUGHES AGREES WITH ME HAH < 1301858457 427608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: mathematician, code monkey and hard-science-fiction author, before you possibly ask < 1301858494 504855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's like Evolution of Dance—a collection of kicky songs, just substitute dancing for the tribal drumming of a self-crafted PVC pipe instrument. 19 songs in 8 minutes. [more inside] < 1301858498 796213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EVERYTHING PVC IS GREGOR RELATED < 1301858627 12183 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already TOLD you who Sam Hughes was, duh < 1301858632 905619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: SAME GUY < 1301858723 154102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8d9/ ;; thinkgeek, always like 17 years behind! < 1301858812 646062 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301858818 638272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 years eh? < 1301858824 406960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. :P < 1301858857 703228 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/e8b8/ < 1301858871 215316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the images have reached china or some other place stereotypically heartless towards pets and made someone try it for real < 1301858888 219970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yeah well, sometimes a cigar is just a light saber < 1301858894 886291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: WE CAN ONLY HOPE < 1301858899 143500 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301858939 175242 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301858942 362195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure TA-TK likes me :/ < 1301858984 679746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She called me "babes" (outloud, so I don't know if she'd spell it like that) and "boo" and "swee" (I think that was cut off) < 1301859086 886249 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301859087 87819 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301859087 87964 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301859109 114821 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quite amused by the idea of a shelf in the library coming on to Sgeo. < 1301859132 855489 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TL-UA, on the other hand, won't give me the time of day..." < 1301859140 467905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOSWEE < 1301859163 220429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, she said "my sweet" < 1301859168 179260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Man, you ain't lived til you been with some of dat Dewey decimal material < 1301859210 107340 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, since when does "I'm pretty sure likes me" deserve to be followed by the emoticon ":/"? < 1301859220 630264 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301859229 658913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on who :/ < 1301859236 689211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, since I've come to the conclusion a while ago that she's a boring idiot. < 1301859241 18361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Hitler likes me :/ < 1301859241 302950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, well, a bookshelf would be blind and unable to move, so Sgeo would probably be attracted to it anyway. < 1301859242 425607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot :/ < 1301859253 136482 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I would think it would quantize to :) or :( pretty soundly in most cases, is all. < 1301859255 952247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, he's proposed to me and everything :/ < 1301859260 681964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now I'm trying to mentally imagine a cross between :/ and !, interrobang-style < 1301859262 284268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And threatened to kill me if I don't marry him :/ < 1301859269 305219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sort of neutral about this :/ < 1301859286 245336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, which one is TA-TK? < 1301859292 683302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that KT-AT? < 1301859292 848475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the "programmer" < 1301859295 453905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is another one TA-TK. < 1301859296 848875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOSE TRACK. < 1301859299 40170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one < 1301859300 914980 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not KT-AT < 1301859312 346810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone decided that "Other" was not a good enough moniker < 1301859458 449086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301859471 983299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably me < 1301859474 5345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI OKLOPOL < 1301859476 280597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1301859477 765067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE A MASTER < 1301859482 64184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literlaly loll < 1301859486 35089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahajhahahaha < 1301859493 727741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHHIOAHAHOAIJHAIOJHOEJIJOIJNHSKREJWHDP[Q] < 1301859497 955376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehheahehehehehehehehehehehaw� < 1301859499 66462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :se < 1301859505 424404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjnesfrdldfglvcx < 1301859508 442018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :t3q4w5yj6ue4tgqrthyetwrqgthekli��uolikurjyeuio'p < 1301859509 407556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :r5deio'p��le3't0sl5edoP < 1301859509 661049 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y't�f'g < 1301859510 975044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hy8�ftghgfduiohpj�kp'o�< < 1301859545 867200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly: oklo < 1301859612 201779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : literlaly loll <-- laughing out loudly loud? < 1301859620 408045 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks "t3q4w5yj6ue4tgqrthyetwrqgthekliöäuolikurjyeuio'p" into Google Translate
< 1301859633 503687 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1301859642 653964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: its clever for "asljasd" < 1301859642 818486 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maltese to English translation" < 1301859670 540097 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks "Listen"!
< 1301859677 277648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, it means "Piranhas in your hovercraft" < 1301859701 664838 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Listen" is not working :( < 1301859719 771047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it is < 1301859723 300417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: every letter in that sentence is silent < 1301859744 104276 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every letter is pronounced as "Google fails to serve content to browser" < 1301859843 155382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301859977 633118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I found a new "hat" for Gregor! < 1301859983 120081 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh < 1301859991 741818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, two new < 1301860000 760591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hats-ties/beac/ and http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/hats-ties/b53e/ < 1301860086 14389 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd spec neither defines the size of values on the stack nor what happens if you try to pop an empty stack. < 1301860111 66064 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive < 1301860133 495724 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive < 1301860138 59186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :347) wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive < 1301860169 414140 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: why? < 1301860180 256520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, heh < 1301860216 472999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wierd spec neither defines the size of values on the stack nor what happens if you try to pop an empty stack. < 1301860220 476258 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: BECAUSE I HAVE A SOUL, OR I DID, BEFORE I STARTED LOOKING AT THESE PRODUCTS < 1301860230 43661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just steal a convenient type of values on the stack from TURKEY BOMB < 1301860240 626886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what's wrong with the products? < 1301860245 760966 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Befunge-93 doesn't define what happens if you try to p or g outside of the 80x25 area < 1301860360 995343 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if someone else tries that either! < 1301860415 634967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You should implement -98 next ;D < 1301860430 299389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, ooh, or jumping to -1 is exciting, my old language that NOBODY HAS EVER GIVEN ANY LOVE EVER < 1301860450 555338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was yours? < 1301860456 83359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301860469 68290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : catseye: You should implement -98 next ;D <-- what about the y coordinate issue you found? < 1301860472 333881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301860476 828336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? < 1301860538 913293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure whether it's TC or not < 1301860573 165532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually looked at it < 1301860575 366420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name's painful < 1301860581 883428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh, ooh, or jumping to -1 is exciting, my old language that NOBODY HAS EVER GIVEN ANY LOVE EVER <-- which language? < 1301860587 431749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jumping_to_-1_is_exciting < 1301860590 191511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax of that "spec" is < 1301860592 738155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *oh* < 1301860596 872045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :command name stack trace -> result < 1301860600 729574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack track = right-most is top of stack < 1301860607 548319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is a pick type instruction thing < 1301860608 861422 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *that* was that name < 1301860615 837433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wat < 1301860634 336840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I searched for "or jumping to -1 is exciting" :P < 1301860657 993302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301860693 92693 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what y coordinate issue? < 1301860697 113587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahbot` in #esoteric can run this. < 1301860701 234365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, sec < 1301860705 554729 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing Wierd next, btw. < 1301860708 169636 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It deserves it < 1301860734 179122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 vector containing the least point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the origin (env) < 1301860734 383548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 vector containing the greatest point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the least point (env) < 1301860734 383733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : These two vectors are useful to give to the o instruction to output the entire program source as a text file. < 1301860742 965158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I remember elliott found some issue with that < 1301860747 971352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the details. Ask him < 1301860768 701328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude we've been over this < 1301860771 337206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really matter :P < 1301860776 486019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Wierd, but also SNUSP < 1301860777 102328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well catseye doesn't know < 1301860822 264443 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-107-19.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301860877 80311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301860881 274326 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...that's one of the things FBBI still fails at. It doesn't shrink those bounds if you overwrite the edges with space. < 1301860887 964771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the issue < 1301860892 161319 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize that < 1301860897 243289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1301860902 737767 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one is saying what the issue is < 1301860903 110960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I think it was something like the way it was written it meant that it wasn't usable by o in fact. < 1301860905 524924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge breaks that too unless you compile it explicitly stating you want it to not be broken < 1301860916 739116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowdown.b98 was designed to completely screw with that effect, IIRC < 1301860916 904751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: 1 vector containing the least point which contains a non-space cell, relative to the origin (env) < 1301860918 225773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's not < 1301860920 851797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the default is for "not broken" there < 1301860921 493653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: the top-left of the bounding box < 1301860927 444451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's the least _occupied_ point < 1301860933 84689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bounding box could be much bigger < 1301860943 979600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: now, you could say that "these two vectors are useful to give to the o instruction" overrides this, but < 1301860949 211000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (1) "useful" is subjective, < 1301860949 484911 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1301860953 114811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (2) that's in italics, < 1301860960 861575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it isn't < 1301860961 492069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (3) the other sentences are far more precise than it < 1301860962 751190 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not saying that < 1301860963 911934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1301860964 862548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever < 1301860965 551672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1301860966 517716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Sysinfo < 1301860969 229863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : slowdown.b98 was designed to completely screw with that effect, IIRC < 1301860974 786446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just meant to create a huge fungespace < 1301860977 364926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that wrapping takes ages < 1301860984 160981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't it then remove the original program? < 1301860987 357202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that something else? < 1301860996 821063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i think it's something to do with bounds though :) < 1301861005 962951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cfunge with bounds shrinking doesn't handle < 1301861007 346279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ccbi does < 1301861015 49475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(handle = without taking years) < 1301861042 964067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: So is there an official Yoob API for implementing Yoobular Environments? :-P < 1301861044 680484 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301861045 911242 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't plan to fix that in FBBI fwiw. The only thing left that I plan to fix is that it reports that { or something "pushes a strange storage offset" or something, without telling me what it is < 1301861067 878809 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not yet. API still fluid < 1301861077 959893 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stupid < 1301861080 434765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: bah. i'd prefer you locked it into a matrix of solidity!!!! < 1301861082 195471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1301861092 619737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are there plans to make the 2d editors more... 2d friendly < 1301861106 740121 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1301861123 421091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least make them work overwriting, not inserting? < 1301861145 37382 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-120-105.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301861175 398747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't plan to fix that in FBBI fwiw. The only thing left that I plan to fix is that it reports that { or something "pushes a strange storage offset" or something, without telling me what it is <-- "without telling me what it is" is *very* typical of mycology < 1301861203 754410 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main purpose, for now, is to showcase the languages. If you are doing serious editing of programs in the languages, you're free to use an offline editor and copy and paste. (If you want to save your work, you have to do this anyway.) < 1301861262 522853 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have a rudimentary implementation of Wierd, completely untested. I guess that'll be my next step, but... later < 1301861284 320287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you up the maximum speed, too? I'm watching this particularly slow program churn. :p < 1301861287 354755 :Sadhu788543!~rooms@117.199.3.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301861287 858141 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there's a Befunge-111, y will reflect >:) < 1301861290 95688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301861297 715976 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's on the todo list < 1301861299 771816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-111 should just specify everything :P < 1301861304 998309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE IO IS MANDATORY ... or preferably nonexistent < 1301861317 645950 :Sadhu788543!~rooms@117.199.3.71 PART :#esoteric < 1301861333 563474 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec should just be an implementation... in some horribly underspec'ed language < 1301861349 511901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, python < 1301861366 742956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoob's rng sucks. this befunge program will never end. < 1301861368 609862 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. without giving a version number, too < 1301861376 37385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it rely on python 1.5 quirks < 1301861376 201977 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're watching anagram, huh < 1301861379 405710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1301861387 300806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i modified hello to have some stupid directions and then a bunch of ?s < 1301861388 566140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lines < 1301861389 400194 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? that one takes forever for me < 1301861390 451064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1301861394 927976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm waiting for it to go back to real code < 1301861396 161220 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using Java's stock RNG, blame it < 1301861397 768838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just dancing around the ?s < 1301861399 414408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301861405 469240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i want a higher max speed :-P < 1301861416 435597 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, idea: allow you to specify a sequence to be used by the RNG... < 1301861429 919831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts a @ in a lone square on the board, surrounded by ?s
< 1301861433 891336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD LUCK TERMINATING, PROGRAM < 1301861633 60716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: post hitting @, buttons do not allow me to restart program. they act as if it's still running but stop is greyed out. weird. < 1301861636 595656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can edit and press done to fix. < 1301861640 739893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm just sleep-deprived < 1301861705 260325 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-120-105.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301861708 684351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this time it worked < 1301861783 105425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also you might want to reverse the stack display < 1301861788 540199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you don't have to scroll when the stack gets big < 1301861906 528345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, >_ is cool < 1301861911 445098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it holds the @ until it eats up all the stack :) < 1301861913 334660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gets to a 0 < 1301861920 439500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301861921 287544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the @ < 1301861922 37768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ip < 1301861960 501391 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-69-33.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301861960 807677 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset should totally work after @... if it doesn't then, eh < 1301861966 739615 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs bugs bugs < 1301862393 287215 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301862441 782815 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301862713 68325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301862870 598974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i can't seem to copy output < 1301862895 339725 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you can't < 1301862989 38903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301863010 139512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, start does nothing, stop does nothing, both leave the program running :) < 1301863018 620655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1301863021 668578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :run makes it go twice as fast < 1301863023 422931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not shitting you < 1301863031 315969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301863032 837723 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably started two execution threads < 1301863037 867158 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hit that once < 1301863053 576712 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have no idea how it gets into the state where that's possible < 1301863068 572609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, strong-typed languages, eh < 1301863081 57449 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, threads, eh < 1301863097 490269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no specifically i'm now referring to the fact that i can't edit befunge-93 without the applet blanking :D < 1301863115 168425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries going through an example rather than the about screen
< 1301863130 885288 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... don't use the about screen, then < 1301863144 770994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then why does it enable the edit button! < 1301863153 463447 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get what you pay for < 1301863216 815085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: btw i think that in -93, ps and gs to x,y coords should be moduloed < 1301863224 698900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that makes random programs do more fun things ;D < 1301863268 105760 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have a headache :/ < 1301863269 949191 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1301863271 409084 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-92-188-9.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301863626 265417 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1301863672 969363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : run makes it go twice as fast <-- that is so awesome < 1301863689 791350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts out in walking mode, until you press run < 1301863722 626080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, probably started two execution threads <-- shouldn't that cause sync issues? < 1301863765 659602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, :p < 1301863777 437737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think i have a headache :/ <-- wait, did you try to implement ais523's Feather? < 1301863810 115913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DON'T INFECT HIM TOO! < 1301863820 797893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Featherfeatherfeather < 1301863849 563875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :P < 1301863878 700625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you using caps like that feels so weird. Almost as much as if fizzie would... < 1301864009 321585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress has both "sandy loam" and "loamy sand"... I'm not sure what the difference is as such. < 1301864028 185732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems obvious to me. < 1301864035 482906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? < 1301864046 36417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sandy loam is predominantly loam, loamy sand predominantly sand. < 1301864058 663560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, both however work the same when it comes to in game mechanics < 1301864100 889016 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OH NO, IS THIS WEIRD? < 1301864129 299092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it fails, since it is triggered by this specific instance < 1301864136 20030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you doing it naturally < 1301864141 951606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like elliott does < 1301864284 940816 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301864322 683001 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2009-03-09 01:21:53 elliott: WATER MEMORY. < 1301864333 52262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301864349 285973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was more than two years ago! < 1301864355 127981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it proves my point < 1301864358 837426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-22 14:15:17 PURE MADNESSNESS < 1301864359 259087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BUT THE WATER REMEMBERS < 1301864360 855101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BULLDOZER WEASELS < 1301864362 261031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you have grown as a person < 1301864371 172316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah... okay < 1301864380 601546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't do it very often though < 1301864382 426892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you fabricated that quote. what pure madnessness. < 1301864394 450867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: QUICK HOW MANY ALL-CAPS STATEMENTS HAVE I MADE < 1301864406 440762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : I WOULD NEVER FABRICATE A QUOTE < 1301864408 15612 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are several instances of one or two full-uppercase things but very few that would have nothing else. < 1301864421 736251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is the nothing else bit that counts < 1301864426 128915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, a nick is allowed < 1301864449 593915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1301864453 25025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :348) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1301864461 603659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2002 < 1301864462 629176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864467 448729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote olsner < 1301864467 738962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, when did he say that < 1301864468 420616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :174) i think of languages as tools, there is no holy grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok \ 221) DAMN YOU, I'm leaving olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION! \ 237) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are < 1301864475 587237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2010-11-01 < 1301864481 874515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:44:47 `addquote it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1301864483 758854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got added < 1301864494 213778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION!" <-- wait what? < 1301864504 231800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1301864505 517502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301864548 433866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklopol < 1301864549 287854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :37) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 39) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 42) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 55) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 67) < 1301864560 544455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes oklopol < 1301864561 601446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9627 < 1301864621 186742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :223) well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks < 1301864621 386170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetry < 1301864631 366025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301864675 726057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :110) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... < 1301864677 59925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301864683 399830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who was fax now again? < 1301864691 129613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that few quotes :o < 1301864695 240885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon quantumEd MissPiggy j-invariant etc. etc. etc. < 1301864700 258429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1301864700 757480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1301864701 246899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1301864704 831296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chance to use the best latin < 1301864705 323402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there were many quotes of me < 1301864705 928531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*et alia < 1301864707 661530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1301864708 943711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there are < 1301864710 588696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequote olsner < 1301864711 607836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864712 972590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because yours are all the best < 1301864715 63409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pastequotes < 1301864715 633777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1301864718 300028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301864721 119626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that was not all? < 1301864721 294817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes olsner < 1301864722 244827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10188 < 1301864732 9637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that was all. they were best. < 1301864735 863728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "348) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then" is there < 1301864738 919395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes ehird|elliott|alise < 1301864740 19858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1469 < 1301864747 410364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooo < 1301864750 491068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the master of the quotes < 1301864754 423534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue is that `quote 2002 looks for *quote number 2002* < 1301864754 686920 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's so few, i thought there'd be at least 10 more < 1301864758 673448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: o rite :D < 1301864760 548229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote (2002) < 1301864761 472074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :348) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1301864770 658895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well keep saying funny things < 1301864775 807161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, regex? < 1301864778 272695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1301864780 599889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19) ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1301864781 268205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301864781 432426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301864783 148357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing something < 1301864785 61085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the jok < 1301864786 940351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1301864801 687215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1301864802 46699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll have to get depressed another day < 1301864802 752511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27220 < 1301864803 10936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it doesn't seem funny at all. Just a matter of fact. :P < 1301864806 951882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only want quotes actually directed at me) < 1301864815 798855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone mind if i remove it, we have Standards < 1301864818 246387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does depressed=funny? < 1301864826 108208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301864830 2202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes <(ehird|elliott|alise)> < 1301864831 1564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10749 < 1301864840 145967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i thought depressed = not funny, but then i realized oerjan is all about jokes < 1301864846 541182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes <(ehird|elliott|alise)> < 1301864847 320612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2939 < 1301864848 952017 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301864850 602871 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklopol < 1301864851 39065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that he's all that funny < 1301864851 515736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :37) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 39) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 42) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 55) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 67) < 1301864855 639582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this not working < 1301864856 356213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1301864857 317301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYY < 1301864861 663168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes \<(ehird|elliott|alise)\> < 1301864862 741692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13301 < 1301864866 455128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : not that he's all that funny <-- is he depressed? < 1301864867 368285 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lawl < 1301864868 390205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :85) <@Lawlabee> Why does Monday start at 10PM on Sunday? \ 94) hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. \ 95) [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( \ 112) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee < 1301864872 621854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: protip pastequotes < 1301864874 269889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHEN IT WORKS) < 1301864876 13897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1301864882 325960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <(ehird|elliott|alise)> < 1301864883 198925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864886 37201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <(ehird|elliott|alise).*> < 1301864886 788999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes? < 1301864887 38444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864887 834493 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1301864891 925871 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 112 < 1301864892 350501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864892 717253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :112) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point. < 1301864894 307394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote || < 1301864895 260327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864897 527104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1301864900 534296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301864901 498391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864903 717892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1301864904 631614 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301864904 796034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864904 960353 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I say that? < 1301864909 22527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \ < 1301864909 935863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864917 450182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. <-- you what < 1301864919 440332 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should prolly go to work < 1301864919 604332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote [<]elliott[>] < 1301864920 523133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301864926 329934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oisdjosidjfoisjfsjfosijdfoisjdfiojdofjisf < 1301864927 15685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oisjfosdjf < 1301864927 488034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soijf < 1301864927 956214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soifj < 1301864930 767284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/quote < 1301864931 164256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1301864932 170139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1301864932 805498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote < 1301864933 804273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1301864934 584792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301864944 255792 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whuff whuff whuff wharrgarbl. < 1301864946 681118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1301864949 883273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ bluhbluh \ env \ foo \ paste \ ps \ quine \ quotes \ test \ test.c \ tmpdir.19865 < 1301864951 788014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run egrep -i "<(elliott|alise|ehird)>" quotes < 1301864952 957528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers \ IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! \ SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): < 1301864961 919531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | egrep -i "<(elliott|alise|ehird)>" | paste < 1301864963 223743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4003 < 1301864969 572615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1301864978 739881 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1301864979 892709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ allquotes \ botsnack \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ delquote \ esolang \ etymology \ fuck \ google \ imdb \ json \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ penis \ ping \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ rec \ roll \ runasperl \ runfor \ rungcc \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate < 1301864986 325691 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`penis < 1301864987 110136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a program. I don't /have/ genitals. < 1301864987 427236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why didn't it work? < 1301864991 878176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: god knows < 1301864995 555154 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301864995 883947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's raining! < 1301864998 396875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should be debugged? < 1301865004 155865 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is babies? < 1301865029 406946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis < 1301865030 388079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis what? < 1301865034 266433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301865036 352055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis babies < 1301865037 210804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865041 132758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man ed! ed man < 1301865042 152266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865042 316673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there, you know < 1301865047 697336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: babies is little human < 1301865048 365738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis love < 1301865049 163847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865050 780098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`baby dont hurt me < 1301865051 607424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865054 44627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dont hurt me < 1301865054 884639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865055 523353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nomore < 1301865056 493645 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat babies < 1301865056 657152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865056 657244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis whatis < 1301865057 657087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865058 584773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865065 471925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type whatis < 1301865066 356213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865066 867278 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure `cat actually works. < 1301865072 32402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type babies < 1301865072 906314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865087 370848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type whatis < 1301865087 943152 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you get a syntax error from if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ] . < 1301865088 209536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis is /usr/bin/whatis < 1301865093 11969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run whatis whatis < 1301865093 858276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865094 925702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1301865100 324101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why doesn't whatis work? < 1301865119 283093 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it hates you. < 1301865120 783881 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/quote '' 2>&1 < 1301865121 781312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/quote: line 3: +0: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "+0") \ /usr/bin/nl: write error: Broken pipe < 1301865124 176567 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, like that. < 1301865125 962041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no man pages installed? < 1301865131 677187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301865134 539961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIX IT SMARTARSE :| < 1301865140 339066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (thx for finally finding the elusive bug) < 1301865151 505431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I propose "sed", it's how I wrote the thing after all. Well, that and echo. < 1301865170 381740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps $(("$1"+0)) would suffice? < 1301865182 559142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need the +0? < 1301865217 182987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if it's a numbra < 1301865224 435056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301865227 535807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0) < 1301865228 465051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865228 944664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0)) < 1301865229 912956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865232 305467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0)) 2>&1 < 1301865233 214191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865238 386845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c 'echo $(("nozzles >-4"+0))' 2>&1 < 1301865239 260037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash: "nozzles >-4"+0: syntax error: operand expected (error token is ""nozzles >-4"+0") < 1301865254 354223 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how it manages to work for most non-numbers. < 1301865259 41454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/quote < 1301865259 967795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote < 1301865260 488898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It doesn't. < 1301865289 800667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use bash regex match < 1301865317 481672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ]; then/if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote < 1301865318 400418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865327 982523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, didn't replace < 1301865337 774094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/if \[ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" \]; then/if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote < 1301865338 737703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865352 610164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/if \[ "$\(\($1+0\)\)" = "$1" \]; then/if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote < 1301865353 303579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you fail at sed < 1301865353 486314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865354 519879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESCAPE EVERYTHING < 1301865356 875762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i had like an epileptic fit and tried to get help here, i bet you bastards would just let me die < 1301865360 658349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yep < 1301865361 875937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, $ needs to be escaped < 1301865369 168901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1301865372 513564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it < 1301865381 471773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm switch those < 1301865384 643328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ if.*/ if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then/' bin/quote < 1301865385 471737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865390 559685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1301865392 225327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that not work < 1301865398 872897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301865399 113202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dur < 1301865406 793309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's! if.*! if expr "$1" + 0 2>/dev/null; then!' bin/quote < 1301865407 632081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865420 981397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301865421 622263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/quote '' 2>&1 < 1301865422 705310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :229) Vorpal loves the sodomy. elliott, sure why not \ 230) [...] ALWAYS OPEN TO TRYING NEW THINGS. \ 231) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P \ 239) ONLY GOOD QUOTES PLEASE! AND NO FAKE ONES EITHER! \ 240) * pikhq sticks < 1301865425 717881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1301865429 79334 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I love your HackEgo-editing style. < 1301865431 41316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote trivial C < 1301865431 825613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :231) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P < 1301865432 247723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I DO TOO < 1301865444 695901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It makes me feel so manly, 'cuz you know what, I could do that on an actual teletypewriter. < 1301865451 278986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with a live "cat" window :P < 1301865463 63268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me feel so 70S. < 1301865507 544762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's trivial, but not exactly trivial < 1301865520 871564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's find out how profane we are! < 1301865530 670819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes shit|fuck|crap|dammit|damn < 1301865531 710926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8277 < 1301865538 880132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Worst list of top-of-head curses ever.) < 1301865543 963420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could get a current going in a ring shaped super-conductor < 1301865544 867055 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poopie < 1301865546 880376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: not as profane as i thought < 1301865549 4698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote poopie < 1301865550 72229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865554 930319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RECTIFICATION REQUIRED < 1301865559 998915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addq... no, i can't < 1301865560 829226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301865564 352278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be too low < 1301865589 750289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :280) ooh I want to see ehird pole dancing I think that would be illegal. oh you are right damn :/ < 1301865589 983438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have no idea what that was about < 1301865600 883861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nor do I < 1301865602 490803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think the best feature of my quote system is that whenever you delete a quote < 1301865608 61682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every quote after it gets renumbered < 1301865610 969515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wonderfully confusing! < 1301865616 684208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is like the worst thing < 1301865623 28250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing < 1301865628 980458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most Unixy way to implement it ;DDD < 1301865639 980128 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lets agree on the middle ground < 1301865644 336741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the most thing < 1301865647 788040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1301865649 884153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they even have numbers? < 1301865652 880612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks < 1301865660 742272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm...because...err...fuck you < 1301865666 996299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for seeing the whole thing in search results i think :D < 1301865678 732007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "why do they have even numbers" < 1301865685 155859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was a philosophical question < 1301865702 830291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it could've been philosophical as it is < 1301865712 573533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even do they numbers have? < 1301865746 480081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wombats < 1301865749 733106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wombats have countries! < 1301865794 456063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick, say something funny < 1301865804 250720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :something funny hagrea:D < 1301865809 596006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't� sopt laughitn < 1301865812 777755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I can't think of anything funny to say right now < 1301865821 210980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll retroactively edit the above line to be funny when I get Feather working < 1301865832 137428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm going to addquote that now < 1301865840 877375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: soon you will learn not to say unfunny things! < 1301865843 157283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feather joke the other day was way better than that < 1301865848 685240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed, that isn't funny < 1301865850 989909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865851 845473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865853 141484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1301865854 22355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will be eventually! < 1301865856 398315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another oklopol quote -- aiee! < 1301865858 692965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865859 850041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865860 997863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1301865863 497611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ENCODING SHIT < 1301865864 728088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not very good :D < 1301865868 36330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865868 830810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865870 36127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1301865870 760035 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even a joke man < 1301865872 337730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FFFF < 1301865874 154122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DEFAIL IT < 1301865887 151849 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, what have you done here < 1301865907 953463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oklopol uses latin-1, BUT < 1301865911 269926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retyped out the second try by hand < 1301865914 447006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was utf-8 < 1301865929 555143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865930 687769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301865931 883044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1301865933 713203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301865937 197541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh b0rk3lde < 1301865947 920012 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd, the repo seems to be fine >_> < 1301865958 786101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that thing is getting funnier by the minute < 1301865959 115935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "borkelde"? < 1301865963 36414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't just override that quote because I hate oklopol <_< < 1301865983 355541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I'm not just doing this out of my badly-concealed lust for him >_> < 1301865987 804778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : <_< >_> < 1301865993 200892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. < 1301866002 331302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't just override that quote because I hate oklopol <_< <-- whaaat? < 1301866006 719788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: look at the kinda things gregor says in teh /msgss! ^^ < 1301866008 379212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made that up right? < 1301866011 363799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NO < 1301866014 865579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not the lust parts either < 1301866016 73501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all true < 1301866019 859839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, log link < 1301866024 89802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said < 1301866024 879320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg < 1301866030 754731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1301866039 247776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i use a vt100 so i can't take a screenshot SORRY < 1301866040 410529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't believe it, until confirmed from Gregor < 1301866049 847509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he'd admit his true desires :( < 1301866054 704342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all this time he's learned to bottle them away < 1301866056 752111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuure < 1301866057 390107 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't believe Gregor wants to have sex with me? < 1301866063 126360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nope < 1301866068 269122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1301866070 463740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah doesn't every straight male want to have sex with oklopol < 1301866071 393927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait < 1301866075 89619 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo �nicode! > test < 1301866075 993079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301866076 157036 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-16.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301866077 5245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1301866081 675351 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq ... < 1301866093 569255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bork bork bоrk >test < 1301866094 736807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301866095 641592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1301866097 711743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ... < 1301866106 891453 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1301866107 94960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bork bork bork >test < 1301866108 309040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301866115 255945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: JUST FUCKING WITH YOU, that was a Cyrillic o < 1301866115 983205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat < 1301866118 792991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301866122 1607 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301866123 487138 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Jackass :P < 1301866126 574000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test < 1301866127 121665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i do know a straight male who wants to have sex with me < 1301866127 679096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301866130 695572 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I know what the issue is. < 1301866141 163695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's just (hetero+oklo)sexual amirite < 1301866192 989034 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo �nicode! > test < 1301866193 834415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301866196 465204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat test < 1301866197 412706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :�nicode! < 1301866198 647855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't asked in detail, because he's a random internet dude < 1301866229 78930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test < 1301866229 907797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1301866234 481002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301866235 517665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) ais523: quick, say something funny something funny hagrea:D can'tä sopt laughitn < 1301866257 230030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaat: 07:62/05:34 < 1301866262 529023 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think vlc is broken < 1301866281 676756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens a lot with inaccurate files < 1301866283 254551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that second counter is counting up. At second rate. < 1301866283 621746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :file formats < 1301866285 743275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what file format is it? < 1301866289 376881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, flac... < 1301866292 876467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301866298 113309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the file must be broken < 1301866300 840753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think flac _does_ include such precise information, but it can get messed up < 1301866301 508364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1301866304 131839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flac -d and reencode < 1301866312 220448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but 07:62 < 1301866317 10740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the 62 bit < 1301866319 215729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301866319 478895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1301866320 151917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D < 1301866325 308591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well vlc sucks and stuff :) < 1301866342 910733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah re-encoding atm < 1301866364 598599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mplayer is rather annoying. And totem doesn't play a lot of stuff < 1301866364 762974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally arch seem to have made their first good decision lately :) < 1301866370 345336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xine is hideous < 1301866371 690718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to not consider switching to the libav fork < 1301866381 612331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what libav fork? < 1301866388 149360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :background for those who haven't been following: a group of ffmpeg devs were unhappy with the maintainer < 1301866394 360143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they literally tried to perform a coup d'etat < 1301866401 132872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they changed the repo url, the project leaders, etc. on the website < 1301866403 994585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from underneath the maintainer < 1301866407 905052 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301866408 930066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this understandably cause a lot of upset < 1301866417 218205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the maintainer do? < 1301866419 982513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after about two months of the hostility of two factions sharing the same list < 1301866429 900208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coup d'etatters (THAT'S A WORD) decided to "rename" ffmpeg < 1301866431 549174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to libav < 1301866439 587023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they posted a name saying our "new release" is under the "new name" libav < 1301866444 549719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then -- and this is where it gets insane -- < 1301866450 116739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say the mailing list is being "renamed and moved" < 1301866454 66198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is already insane < 1301866454 409667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the ffmpeg list will be "shut down shortly" < 1301866458 620316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will be automatically subscribed to the libav list < 1301866464 516502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ffmpeg list was STILL BEING USED by the original maintainers < 1301866464 863487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... that's silly < 1301866466 879683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and developers < 1301866472 764020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more than silly, it's childish and bullshit < 1301866476 888701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301866477 929851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gentoo dev was one of the forkers, FWIW < 1301866490 522982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I NO LONGER USE GENTOO! < 1301866491 179730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, fabrice bellard controls the DNS and so handed it back to the original maintainer < 1301866494 387279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301866502 764639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that name is familiar < 1301866508 404750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, qemu and ffmpeg founder < 1301866511 171784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tcc author < 1301866513 76703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1301866513 968370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and god < 1301866521 79897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, same guy? < 1301866531 14053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the original maintainer caused some problems but at most that justifies a fork, not a failed hostile takeover followed by trying to systematically shut down the original project's resources < 1301866531 979006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1301866540 96122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes he is one of those awesome guys. Like djb < 1301866541 108648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also discoverer of bellard's formula for pi < 1301866552 972182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jwz < 1301866555 473768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wp says 43% faster than BBP) < 1301866559 324675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lucky guy, discovering something that had his name on it! < 1301866564 365866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also multiple time IOCCC winner < 1301866568 821309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1301866619 971669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway yeah, there was a thread on the arch forums (i idly browse every now and then out of morbid curiosity) and one of the devs basically said "i don't like forks so we're not going to consider it" :P < 1301866632 898228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, i eagerly look forward to arch replacing xorg with xfree86 < 1301866640 337161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har har < 1301866649 865089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEEDING EDGE < 1301866652 367060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was the original dispute about? < 1301866660 601326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay bye -> < 1301866664 58013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the maintainer being a pain about applying patches basically < 1301866668 469250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :single point of control, etc. < 1301866672 150613 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301866680 696676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah... Could be time to fork yes, but in a less childish way < 1301866683 650915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't find it very relevant; i can't really sympathise with them considering the childishness < 1301866696 960876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: afaict they didn't even bother trying to have a serious discussion about it first < 1301866697 650849 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301866703 897425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *whops* < 1301866735 963916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301866778 977284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seriously though, as a GENTOO USER (;D;D;D), why did they drop support for static linking> < 1301866780 407918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*linking? < 1301866789 980996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could tell gentoo to statically link everything with musl i might even use it :-D < 1301866796 944046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, musl? < 1301866802 116941 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I have no idea < 1301866805 380683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.etalabs.net/musl/ < 1301866812 856358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides wasn't it just a few packages that supported it? < 1301866826 460437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think you used to be able to build a whole static system? < 1301866839 245840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway gentoo doesn't really have any merits if you can't control every variable of the system :) < 1301866851 82055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with some CFLAGS hacking probably < 1301866861 807165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(considering that "this optimisation flag" vs. "this other optimisation flag" doesn't even count as a variable due to being irrelevant) < 1301866865 462048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there were some static use-flags before I know < 1301866874 814661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(every (32-bit x86) debian package runs on a 386!) < 1301866887 695348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't see people going around claiming debian is slow :)) < 1301866893 238133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe they do and i just haven't run into them < 1301866899 763769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, libc comes in multiple variants though < 1301866903 937639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't those people all use gentoo? < 1301866920 495439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh? not ereally < 1301866928 294808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just libc6-i386 here, oh wait this is the 64-bit repo < 1301866929 29344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1301866934 110991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, cmov one < 1301866935 16287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel comes in multiple flavours too < 1301866937 365524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-cmov < 1301866937 528530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :386... < 1301866938 910851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 486 < 1301866939 318619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301866950 246238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah that's debian... < 1301866952 919097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there might be a 686 too < 1301866954 550638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think there is < 1301866960 357667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1301866961 762601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :686 < 1301866963 197961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :386, 486, 686 < 1301866969 326773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and some stuff do CPU detection. Like mplayer < 1301866985 663338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, point is that cpu generation only matters in a handful of places < 1301866993 422593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "autoconf standard" is -O2 -g right? < 1301866998 352775 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1301867000 343569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea < 1301867014 199137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 90% of debian is -O2 -g -march=i386 then :) < 1301867028 318669 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite probably. < 1301867029 302922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *probably* also -mtune=generic these days < 1301867034 363462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1301867043 891698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which helps to some degree < 1301867053 468919 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I thought they made a dangerous decision to go all the way to i486 at some point :P < 1301867054 213950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo -Os -march=i386 -mtune=generic would be a better choice nowadays < 1301867069 517523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't -march and -mtune contradict? < 1301867069 974717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nobody uses the debugging info, and the space savings from not having it + the savings from -Os = cache loves you) < 1301867072 498291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably -march=i686 actually < 1301867081 582528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i meant, without breaking compatibility < 1301867083 443533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GASP < 1301867087 764974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the debugging info is split out into separate debugging packages < 1301867088 494212 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not all -march options conflict with all -mtune options. < 1301867089 602838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, -mtune implies "portable to all processors in the group" < 1301867092 168409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't -march and -mtune contradict? <-- no < 1301867093 857945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, interesting < 1301867096 76065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it's still advertised as i386 and you can still install a 386 kernel < 1301867101 64221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301867101 396414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i doubt they made that GIGANTIC LEAP < 1301867104 994140 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, cancel that then. < 1301867123 432803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, debugging info for libc = invaluable < 1301867130 379362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok for libraries yes :-D < 1301867140 402017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from like... emacs < 1301867141 204087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like having debug info around < 1301867145 27744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody runs system binaries under gdb < 1301867145 367467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, IWC has finally confused the hell out of me. < 1301867154 203918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1301867155 643141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hate to run emacs under gdb < 1301867160 204544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have literally no idea what the overriding plot threads have been since... forever. < 1301867162 115611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some people do it 100% of the time < 1301867167 275770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is debugging info stored inline with code, or is it separated? < 1301867173 392513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the latter, then I guess it won't affect the cache < 1301867173 998978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, separated < 1301867180 787187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then -Os -g would be the best choice, I guess < 1301867184 504935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, separate files even these days < 1301867187 391551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you above < 1301867194 79928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that might be the best idea, have -dbg packages < 1301867194 243374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu does it that way at least < 1301867196 672783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleeop
< 1301867197 604207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that install into /usr/dbg < 1301867199 253498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1301867199 440739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sleep < 1301867201 270258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1301867216 119982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, paths look like /usr/lib/debug/bin/bash iirc < 1301867221 934762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover (~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486) has joined #esoteric < 1301867223 370853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINUTES LATER < 1301867224 82153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover has quit (Client Quit) < 1301867238 970596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, well, that's what you get for refusing to extend the fhs < 1301867251 966808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1301867279 828383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF WE MAKE /USR/DBG HOW WILL THE ENTERPRISES EVER TRUST THE UBUNTUS AS THE STANDARDS COMPLIANCES < 1301867359 193698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what IS it with airline food^W^Wtiling wms < 1301867399 647768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :airline food's been pretty good IME < 1301867412 49275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly I've only been on four flights, and get very annoyed at having to use plane travel < 1301867430 699677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in no case did I pay for the flight myself, if I'd had to do that I'd have refused outright < 1301867446 854447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Gregor give up on libc.so? < 1301867459 741063 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to speak of it in this channel. < 1301867468 968673 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, attempt to refuse anyway. < 1301867476 603679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301867480 853549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :great way to fail not speaking of it :D < 1301867519 8545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Gregor < 1301867521 707774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so < 1301867521 922807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you win libm.so? < 1301867522 414145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so < 1301867523 589324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so < 1301867529 824320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i didn't say anything about airline food! < 1301867532 310451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked about tiling wms < 1301867541 479498 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to speak of the DETAILS OF THE AUCTION, not the domain itself X_X < 1301867547 581530 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Didn't even try. < 1301867552 153784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh < 1301867553 782732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it $800 < 1301867555 406897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it $900 < 1301867557 240635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it $1000 < 1301867561 258476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Binary search setup phase) < 1301867578 741449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RIP Yhc!) < 1301867583 611494 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a numeric, integer value greater than 0. < 1301867594 965538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$7000 then. < 1301867599 388874 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Numeric" is redundant here, and "integer greater than 0" could be replaced by "whole number" :P < 1301867801 397430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, musl looks great < 1301867854 274186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is < 1301867866 333323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only C.UTF-8 locale support now, but that's being worked on < 1301867888 811579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing C99 math functions and POSIX priority scheduling options. Damn < 1301867890 396586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1301867913 148079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, why would anyone need anything else than C.UTF-8 locale < 1301867927 547602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: C99 math is being worked on :P < 1301867943 379293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Surprisingly enough some things actually use it X-D < 1301867949 809945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the locale stuff is a show stopper < 1301867950 819256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. an mpfr testcase I think refused to compile becuase of the lack of... < 1301867952 714572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :roundbyint or something. < 1301867957 216010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't want silly C locale date < 1301867977 446546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it's not a show-stopper. < 1301867981 453306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an incredibly minor thing that is being added. < 1301867981 780130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for me it is < 1301867997 434961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, 3 April 2011 3 April 2011 3 April 2011. < 1301868019 552782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date < 1301868019 716106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sön apr 3 23:59:41 CEST 2011 < 1301868033 673539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Because seeing "3 April 2011" instead of "sön apr 3" affects your entire computing experience. < 1301868042 526235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very weird order too I think < 1301868044 635641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in date outout < 1301868046 985468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :output* < 1301868060 49127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, which is why that locale sucks : < 1301868060 805851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301868065 907487 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAY OF WEEK IS IRRELEVANT. LITTLE ENDIAN IS IRRELEVANT. SUBMIT TO THE ISO. < 1301868085 804177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tLC_ADDRESS="sv_SE.UTF-8" < 1301868086 13069 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_TELEPHONE="sv_SE.UTF-8" < 1301868086 13252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_MEASUREMENT="sv_SE.UTF-8" < 1301868091 316055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where those are actually used < 1301868101 786517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_PAPER="sv_SE.UTF-8" < 1301868103 204747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1301868109 419543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that selects A4? < 1301868121 635722 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sweden they use Q12 instead of A4. < 1301868128 264785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Q12? < 1301868130 499202 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's measured in fractions of furlongs. < 1301868138 964333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, per fortnight! < 1301868142 385445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also anyone who sets LC_foo to get /error messages/ and the like in non-English is clearly in need of institutionalisation more than locale support < 1301868145 12513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the speed of the papoer < 1301868146 723401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper* < 1301868150 476004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what matters < 1301868154 42932 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The width is conventionally given in terms of oxtails, but standardized as fractions of furlongs. < 1301868177 574173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do this: < 1301868183 544176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 < 1301868186 2939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_COLLATE=C < 1301868188 966165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_MESSAGES=C < 1301868191 189410 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301868199 424709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: =C? < 1301868203 290301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes? < 1301868207 99617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :=en_GB.UTF8 or something would provide more reasonable output < 1301868216 96015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for collation < 1301868222 550970 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: =C guarantees that the bug reports are in the same language that the author wrote it in. < 1301868223 947430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wish C.UTF8 worked with glibc < 1301868238 203987 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do not want messed up sorting < 1301868240 137675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I'm sorry, you said -ise instead of -ize, WONTFIX" < 1301868243 52316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want CASE SENSITIVE sort < 1301868248 534713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Define messed up... < 1301868251 272733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCIIbetal isn't logical :P < 1301868259 975982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I prefer that one! < 1301868268 965125 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: More like "I am not having good with English, can please error messages with original Portuguese thanks." < 1301868299 58945 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I would go insane at a program doing that! < 1301868299 775514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's a great argument NOT to use =C, I don't fucking know Portuguese :P < 1301868317 131081 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, I wouldn't WONTFIX a bug for -ise instead of -ize, but I would for zed instead of zee :P < 1301868335 24463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really though, a FOSS project with a lead developer not competent in English is also known as a trainwreck :P < 1301868346 706030 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1301868354 120296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah cultural imperialism, I don't give a shit, the Bible was right, language divisions are a curse. < 1301868360 366351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the Bible right. < 1301868363 637813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: pls to change "prized" to "prizee"? < 1301868369 782077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prizee :D < 1301868372 698129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best word < 1301868389 718995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to "prised", ofc < 1301868411 285990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prizee my spellings from my cold dead hands < 1301868454 469099 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DONE < 1301868689 631281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you realise valgrind won't work on statically linked code? < 1301868701 217153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :onoezes!!!111 < 1301868703 568252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I don't think it will < 1301868710 626794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I plan to dynlink with musl for kitten < 1301868712 770082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it won't < 1301868717 710254 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you do? < 1301868722 215145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's working on a dynamic loader that's embedded in the libc itself < 1301868724 784217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not separate < 1301868727 368354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's 0 overhead < 1301868735 633209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll dynlink libc only < 1301868738 674871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301868758 853898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not work on @ instead? < 1301868767 665167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said i was working on kitten < 1301868782 934045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not right now... < 1301868801 832949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can hardly work on @ if i don't have a nice tiling wm can i < 1301868809 816881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure you can < 1301868814 215796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't < 1301868819 232625 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay so write one then < 1301868831 996209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said i shouldn't work on kitten < 1301868842 41043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh but run it on ubuntu :P < 1301868850 601330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm going to try out i3 soon. maybe < 1301868960 789350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1301869398 306705 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits would you need if you were doing fourier transforms with fixed point? < 1301869525 362744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how accurate you'd want the answer to be < 1301869610 432910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be accurate enough that if you do forward and then reverse on a picture, you should get the same picture, or one very close to the same. < 1301869660 669610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same as the number of bits as the picture, then < 1301869683 629627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if the picture uses 8-bit color, you need 8-bit transforms < 1301869741 711124 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be enough? If you are doing real/imaginary instead of amplitude/phase, I mean. < 1301869779 342451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use a different algorithm, I think < 1301869793 211373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up about algorithsm for doing discrete cosine transforms < 1301869798 623389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the fixed-point version of the fft < 1301869854 324917 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I have found the code for two-dimensional FFT, it uses floating point anthough square root is the only special function used, the others are only multiplication and division. < 1301869873 295368 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that fixed-point FFT needs some care in scaling the numbers during the processing, to avoid large inaccuracies. < 1301870017 309512 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT has careful division to ensure not overflow in a 32-bit fixed point, TeXnicard uses the same algorithm but for 64-bit numbers instead. < 1301870043 380828 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the FFT I found, the square root is only used for the sa = sqrt((1.0 - ca) / 2.0); < 1301870044 468594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if anyone's done jpeg en/decoding on architectures without floating point, they'll have solved this problem < 1301870048 991188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ca = sqrt((1.0 + ca) / 2.0); < 1301870076 536266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or DCT anyway, not necessarily FFT < 1301870152 647269 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the value of sa and ca are initialized ca=-1.0 and sa=0.0 with nothing else ever changing ca < 1301870306 650527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301870441 670543 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a graph of it < 1301871372 651437 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-69-33.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301871383 504223 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301871539 126898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to add image manipulation into TeXnicard, how many (monochrome) bitmap registers and how many graymap registers should I have? < 1301871649 350361 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-15-160.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873572 665126 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873608 298504 :lament_!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873665 698609 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301873712 280181 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873746 639207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1301873749 112471 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873749 275462 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873749 275611 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873750 300684 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873754 587472 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873754 751655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873756 304698 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301873757 197707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the earliest i've ever seen elliott leave < 1301873759 691263 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873780 870776 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873781 463610 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1301873781 627273 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301873878 219767 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But he ping-timeout'd, not quit. < 1301873931 694306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's a problem with his connection < 1301873955 457582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet he just unplugged his computer because he was fed up with us < 1301873996 74135 :variable!~variable@bing63.oneida-a.binghamton.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301874012 389026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301874045 633634 :variable!~variable@bing63.oneida-a.binghamton.edu NICK :Guest26140 < 1301874052 341905 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301874199 547077 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301874501 331344 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301874716 488107 :cheater00!~cheater@g229030021.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301874716 651261 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-15-160.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301874756 591333 :lament_!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301874791 217841 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301874806 101365 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301874836 167645 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133177.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301875108 735269 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-15-160.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301875444 214719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301875447 149621 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301875458 293997 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1301875659 269179 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301875660 994448 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301875667 73644 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301876191 665109 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301876507 172797 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301876520 942226 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301876920 989385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :(:( < 1301877394 259011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel guilty for not donating now < 1301877519 657566 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301877525 718137 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301877527 42153 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301877527 991604 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 NICK :jcp < 1301877533 227609 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301877534 30708 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301877537 251785 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301877563 954033 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301877654 632693 :Guest26140!~variable@bing63.oneida-a.binghamton.edu QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1301877658 810661 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301877674 563187 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301877753 964143 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-25-130.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301878413 491937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301878427 289600 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's 'patamagic. And also 'pataprogramming. < 1301878474 404267 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301878480 578657 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301878480 741592 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1301878480 741715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1301878483 112057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301878620 149440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1301878721 731163 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! I did not receive NickServ and ChanServ notices immediately, it took a few seconds after I joined, and then those notices are on. < 1301878725 129202 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301878916 371403 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301879529 57469 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301880484 61393 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added all of the spell/feats in gopher too, now it is not limited to HTTP only. < 1301880493 750874 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can still access on HTTP as well) < 1301880675 634829 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :hypnotoad < 1301880683 451347 :hypnotoad!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1301880731 508989 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this spell? < 1301880902 694214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1301881099 573026 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you sure? < 1301881750 78964 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to cast the spell called "Break Into Debugger" (Sor/Wiz 9) < 1301881759 58161 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, looks like I'll be taking dlsym@libdl.so as second prize :P < 1301881840 923154 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Quit: I wish I had something witty to put here... < 1301881858 330109 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you lose libc.so so you put libdl.so instead? Or, is something else? < 1301881869 208958 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already had libdl.so < 1301881878 818605 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I will not be getting libc. < 1301881902 342814 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1301881921 94448 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who got libc < 1301881923 308126 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now are you going to sue everyone on this channel because you did not get libc? < 1301882850 609942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: create a file in your home directory called "README"--and have the file contain the words: README: No such file or directory < 1301883352 55416 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301883685 354608 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why is this not working < 1301883758 279143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah `quote is buggy with actual regexes. i've known for a while but i have nowhere near enough understanding of shell escaping to fix it. < 1301883788 85357 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume the passing through shell breaks it.) < 1301883828 956186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i vaguely recall, it may be that test for a number which did something screwy < 1301883860 820775 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delving into even more obscure shell details. < 1301883974 887888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, i should learn to read the rest of log before commenting. < 1301883993 254391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT NEWS) < 1301884045 546977 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-25-130.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301884047 796856 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301884215 259332 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301884475 79355 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: "borkelde"? < 1301884484 535626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient norse goddess of mayhem < 1301884536 509616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just received IM Spam < 1301884545 287891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used the praise.hm URL shortener... < 1301885501 43046 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now are you going to sue everyone on this channel because you did not get libc? < 1301885519 39681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use suing people who are too poor to contribute, is there. < 1301885547 176414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: create a file in your home directory called "README"--and have the file contain the words: README: No such file or directory). < 1301885550 309841 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute. < 1301885594 721648 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301885725 861301 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301885728 516932 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886065 458743 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886066 12909 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886068 486491 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886070 791452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886071 908897 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886074 132704 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886074 317786 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301886288 640703 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886291 412506 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 NICK :Guest20296 < 1301886307 201751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886307 375117 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886307 375245 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886307 375324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886307 375400 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886307 375473 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886307 375546 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886313 336598 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886315 95720 :nooga!nooga@jasminek.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301886397 913511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1301887110 74335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: halp < 1301887122 190859 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301887158 370732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i break the select method form all input objects in the DOM on all webpages via greasemonkey? < 1301887177 984612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMTLInputElement.prototype.select = empty function doesn't work < 1301887186 604935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think because it gets run after the page is loaded maybe? < 1301887215 300486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to loop over dom and break them all individually? < 1301887251 813539 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're only trying to break it from JS' perspective, right? < 1301887257 95326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1301887286 670933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want a page to be able to do auto-highlighting on mouseovers and such < 1301887300 70150 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle that should work. But it could just be unconfigurable. Have you checked if HTMLInputElement.prototype.select actually changed? < 1301887338 957592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no...interwebs tell me that works though < 1301887343 655979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1301887375 214513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an about: page for the dom inspector? < 1301887425 355562 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301887476 137341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm found an add-on < 1301887911 891240 :Gregor`!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301887977 8766 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301887979 180774 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301888097 377591 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1301888182 744101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOM inspector does not let me see the contents of "prototype" < 1301888409 960217 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301889325 985503 :Guest20296!~augur@129.2.129.32 NICK :augur < 1301889342 236621 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301889342 719871 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301889343 50972 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301889599 805959 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301889642 936316 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890008 310694 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890080 877180 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890147 537558 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890149 116911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890149 660846 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890154 699102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890155 884749 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890158 271508 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890158 467213 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301890160 360378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890479 480185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890479 645316 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890752 321649 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301890909 882557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301892059 316641 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301892432 430002 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301892439 528112 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301893265 521225 :Gregor`!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1301893326 739645 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301893655 466938 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301894799 359361 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301895696 859329 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301898751 341968 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301898777 544144 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301900567 595612 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1301903000 378384 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301905220 607358 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:sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301910016 292133 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301910016 292304 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301910043 290920 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301910045 717512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301910047 77788 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301910047 460666 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301910054 216082 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301910147 17942 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301910220 84356 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301910317 297690 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301910317 463167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1301910317 463314 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1301910729 689719 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1301912347 531418 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301912419 724223 :Gregor`!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301912439 442968 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301912442 913992 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1301912993 451719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode seems somewhat unstable today < 1301912993 638453 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301913265 683497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they're still patching. < 1301913268 950078 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301913291 76258 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Re "[Global Notice] Hi folks! As you'll have noticed, we've been having some connectivity problems tonight. We're working on patching things together just now." about seven hours ago.) < 1301913304 386547 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301913322 810609 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301913326 62072 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that one < 1301913848 73565 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301913976 818808 :cheater00!~cheater@g229030021.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301914178 386712 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-15-160.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301914568 349266 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-8-117.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301914828 407466 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1301914858 548971 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301915393 740655 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301915549 296200 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301915573 764949 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301915574 305699 :Gregor`!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301915580 5637 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301915677 763819 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301915703 743227 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest79498 < 1301917068 152269 :Guest79498!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301917069 899113 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301917115 868184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301917141 798615 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest96426 < 1301917168 851767 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301918126 870020 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1301918133 415603 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any markov bot plugins for xchat? < 1301918214 5088 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another channel where people speak german and they keep on accusing me of being a markov bot < 1301918224 656951 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought i should actually set up a markov bot that could chat for me every now and then < 1301918457 4029 :cheater00!~cheater@g230230089.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301918575 791749 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132093.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301919892 280555 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301919940 15645 :Guest96426!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1301920678 592483 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301921721 191009 :coppro_!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1301922420 105409 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301922423 927626 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301923981 204645 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301924342 544289 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1301924468 767955 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-135.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301924599 311985 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301925917 573142 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301925960 792814 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926017 299829 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926017 508546 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926020 299919 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926020 465426 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926026 184199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926027 58365 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926093 338838 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926093 504640 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926093 504805 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926093 504905 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926093 504985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926093 505063 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926809 612212 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926809 942994 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926813 668315 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926813 668457 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926819 287183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926819 452408 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301926840 857644 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926841 400908 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926841 401124 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926841 401205 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926841 401280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301926841 401356 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301927359 23849 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301927575 775022 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301928477 866236 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1301928599 790823 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301928717 145095 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301928770 166958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301928878 61872 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@93.105.167.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301928962 6075 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301929044 136093 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301929282 678924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301930265 719394 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301930788 799417 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301931146 847098 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 128k+32k+16k+2x1k+256+/32+2x/48 to Australia, 64k to China, 512 to Indonesia, /32 to India, /48 to Norfolk Island, /48 to New Zealand, /32 to Singapore, 64k to Thailand. < 1301931252 879374 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least APNIC is now under 12Mi addresses. :-) < 1301931433 988959 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@93.105.167.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1301931446 518164 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you project APNIC depletion? Mid-April? < 1301931500 187322 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :614.5k addresses in a day. < 1301931505 822704 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll compute new projection... < 1301931512 533494 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301931679 719526 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Thursday 14th April this time. < 1301931736 605048 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that date is next week!) < 1301931793 377340 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout for North America? < 1301931800 234654 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is "the Americas" the region? I forget) < 1301932137 17950 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.64 blocks (58Mi) or so seemingly. < 1301932188 380962 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Free, don't know about the allocation rate, it is much much lower than APNIC rate). < 1301932305 819449 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we could cruise at least through 2012. < 1301932328 107337 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, in the last 30 days lists, the only allocation bigger than 256k not from APNIC is one 1M allocation from AfriNIC. < 1301932423 640544 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps when APNIC runs out the run will spread to other regions... < 1301932474 192110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they have rules to prevent asian companies from allocating IPs from elsewhere < 1301932614 473332 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the worry. < 1301932686 337321 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The demand might spread to ARIN and RIPE NCC, quickly depleting those. Then after those have been sucked dry, LACNIC and AfriNIC. < 1301932778 829273 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 block of demand (combined) per month would suck ARIN and RIPE NCC out completely in about 6.5 months. < 1301932928 320719 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... The default option in Lagerholm's tool previously was "RIR shopping allowed", now that option is no longer the default. < 1301933053 191848 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Asian operators don't shift demand to other regions and if ARIN and RIPE don't suffer similar run-on-the-bank scenarios as APNIC (both fairly dubious assumptions), RIPE would run out late next year (even RIPE itself isn't that optimistic!) and ARIN in early year after that. < 1301933136 391513 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301933139 776976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301933145 971030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:37:58: quintopia: But he ping-timeout'd, not quit. < 1301933146 524205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:51: i don't think it's a problem with his connection < 1301933146 524419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39:15: i bet he just unplugged his computer because he was fed up with us < 1301933146 524524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client can do that sometimes < 1301933148 903991 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full demand shifting would cause everything to run out early next year. < 1301933171 998715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28:40: Gregor, :(:( < 1301933172 200570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:36:34: I feel guilty for not donating now < 1301933178 408533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see Gregor saying anything beforehand? < 1301933182 285254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the logbot go down? < 1301933210 114874 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I shall not discuss libc.so in-channel, but that doesn't stop other people from doing so :P < 1301933223 96155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can you at least confirm that you didn't get it? < 1301933235 388849 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas not meant to be. < 1301933240 917057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301933241 542814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1301933245 903694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what made people suspect that he didn't get it < 1301933256 30123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo just seems to have decided that out of the blue < 1301933264 940413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he changed his nick back? < 1301933268 822684 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Facebook. < 1301933274 229769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um his nick had been back five years ago < 1301933295 243749 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the lack of raucous celebration? < 1301933297 669797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what. < 1301933313 502166 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was raucous celebration, it would have started nowishly :P < 1301933330 777586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, my DNS doesn't realise .so is a TLD yet. < 1301933380 665123 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Not your browser? < 1301933417 876689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.112.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301933457 463069 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.112.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/JdbJ ;; :D < 1301933463 63618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1301933464 326077 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.112.70 NICK :elliott < 1301933467 928846 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.112.70 QUIT :Changing host < 1301933468 94688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1301933635 182471 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if IPv6 allocation rates in Asia-Pacific will take some rocket fuel when APNIC IPv4 pool depletes. < 1301933688 749855 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301933781 439718 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... The primary worry with that is if APNIC is fast enough to handle the demand, not that it would deplete APNIC pool (there's over 30 bilion /48s to allocate until half-block threshold is reached, and then there's IANA with 506 blocks). < 1301933826 109306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, whois fails as well. < 1301933848 338473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I can get to nic.so. < 1301933853 696396 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: whois would fail because it doesn't know how to whois .so in particular. < 1301933875 754281 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I don't think they provide a whois-protocol whois server... < 1301933884 954813 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your browser Chrome, perchance? < 1301933886 272184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This TLD has no whois server. < 1301933888 193522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1301933889 414190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like < 1301933892 449143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hidden realm < 1301933902 489764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nic.so whois says nothing about libc.so. < 1301933904 948588 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a web-accessible captchawhois :P < 1301933916 854051 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The auction isn't over yet, and even if it was it wouldn't be allocated yet. < 1301933925 801737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's WINNING < 1301933944 670019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charlie Sheen. He's a real C programmer. < 1301933949 484238 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous bidder #449 < 1301933964 94013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me which one you are. < 1301933968 137063 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#442 < 1301933977 613575 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So close! < 1301933979 749208 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, calculated that estimate wrong: I get Wednesday 13th April using the current pool size (not pool size after Friday). < 1301933980 470569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA libdl.so :P < 1301933980 635134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301934021 379796 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an earlier number than the others because I was in the ld-linux.so auction, although I made no bids there. < 1301934141 248285 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some reason Huston site has APNIC having extra 0.2 free blocks (which would push depletion to ~Friday 15th April). < 1301934146 161508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not #whatever in the auction, just in general :P < 1301934151 764084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking dayum, you had no chance. < 1301934159 745343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ld-linux was actually fought over at all? X-D < 1301934413 873006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU'RE a Forthy kind of person aren't you?! DO YOU WANT TO TRY THE FRTH DEVELOPER PRELEASE < 1301934492 170499 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that frothy; I'm really actually quite stale. < 1301934543 448551 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Graph on APNIC site is showing only down 0.01, but values for numerious previous days have gone down 0.02 (retroactively!). < 1301934568 372972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yeah, being almost 30 and all. < 1301934594 765896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: the ip depletion is causing disruptions in the timestream. we are doomed! < 1301935401 847229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're mooded < 1301935445 187473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moody mod of doom < 1301935532 46585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : But for some reason Huston site has APNIC having extra 0.2 free blocks (which would push depletion to ~Friday 15th April). <-- and what happens then < 1301935540 325159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE END < 1301935542 686588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD < 1301935544 531399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, how long before the LIRs get into issue? < 1301935655 364684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :issues* < 1301935655 530397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone < 1301935724 328931 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea how long LIRs have to go. There's certain allocation period (but I don't recall what current APNIC policies about that are). < 1301935729 14974 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the phone call of DOOM < 1301935786 645965 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, oh: "CNNIC, the Chinese Registrar and CA have been EV enabled. As part of this, a new EV-enabled Root was added (the old is not EV-enabled)." (opera). Let's just say that certain persons don't trust CNNIC _at_ _all_. < 1301935796 278416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, aria2c is being a bit slower than usual :/ < 1301935801 72016 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301935880 21198 :cheater00!~cheater@g230230089.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301935927 139919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In December 2010 some users requested that the Unity launcher (or dock) be movable from the left to other sides of the screen, but Mark Shuttleworth stated in reply, “I'm afraid that won't work with our broader design goals, so we won't implement that. We want the launcher always close to the Ubuntu button.”[11] < 1301935936 798342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It SUPPLIES THE CONCEPTUAL ENERGY < 1301935996 322271 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, EV? Is that DNSSEC-related? < 1301936009 718545 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extended Validation (related to SSL certificates). < 1301936017 230720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's Evisceration Vacancies. < 1301936020 8466 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to do with DNSSEC. < 1301936025 933068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chinese government can now execute people OVER DNS < 1301936027 800238 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, ah < 1301936039 130885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They basically just have a bunch of empty EV records in a domain. < 1301936040 261336 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1301936043 447516 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you < 1301936047 456909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you do a DNS lookup, you get trapped in one and eviscerated. < 1301936049 175607 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Which .cn apparently doesn't have enabled. < 1301936079 691563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301936188 211117 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNSSEC-enabling .cn would only make .cn vulernable to CNNIC. Giving them EV cert perms in browsers makes everything vulernable to them. < 1301936217 828753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hm. Is CNNIC bad? < 1301936225 809616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, probably < 1301936240 111447 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/JdbJ < lol < 1301936299 533320 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Depends on how tightly China controls it... < 1301936339 310456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301936470 578378 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1301936493 603547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, writing a Magenta parser looks scary < 1301936733 817354 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magento? < 1301936786 593596 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates the "opensores" web app/store called Magento.
< 1301937041 577 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, I don't have a damn clue what any of this means anymore. The design was such a twisted mess that there was no way I could go back and add anymore to it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the poor sap trying to turn this disaster into a LALR(1) grammar for yacc. That said, I'd love to see someone try. < 1301937043 74703 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahah < 1301937048 438514 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck elliott. < 1301937070 830585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magento, part esolang, part supervillain < 1301937161 701133 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301937307 358220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301937702 719354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1301937740 249799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1301937751 95646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, HP Lovecraft was appalled when he discovered his great-great-grandmother was Welsh. < 1301937790 705938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're HP Lovecraft's great-great-grandmother? < 1301937853 96166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, V*rpal's not paying attention right now. < 1301937860 121340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD WAIT HE IS < 1301937862 777362 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301937866 463538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know not what you talk about. < 1301937881 431758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How Welsh I am. < 1301937892 394513 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301937895 693066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're Welsh; so? < 1301937901 41698 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301937908 554293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : OH GOD WAIT HE IS <-- just back < 1301937911 42289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1301937922 136527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nothing. < 1301937929 846605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1301937967 395373 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1301937967 612061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Common Lisp actually has if/else < 1301937969 222436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I think I might do some sort of fuzzy-matching on highlighting. Would be fun < 1301937971 110262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, with explicit else < 1301938003 265150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for i upto 20 < 1301938003 468097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (oddp i) < 1301938003 468283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : collect i into odds < 1301938003 468391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else < 1301938003 468496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : collect i into evens < 1301938003 468599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : finally (return (values evens odds))) < 1301938023 852198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not proper if/else. < 1301938030 832215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's loop, so it doesn't count. < 1301938040 467868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...of course it's loop < 1301938046 179966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it surprised me < 1301938046 821424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1301938059 967600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i wouldn't have expected it to pronounce it in quite that way) < 1301938078 864074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF really needs a while/else < 1301938089 22404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF just needs an if :-P < 1301938094 430396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if (*p) while (*p) {} else {} < 1301938104 344794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd let me abbreviate my huge BF Joust program much better < 1301938124 86401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I finally got it within fizzielance's nesting constraints, by examining the other programs and adding only the cases that actually ran < 1301938133 661475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{[...]+}-{...} < 1301938137 873371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit like constant tweaking, but I don't care as it's working around an intepreter failure < 1301938141 582102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for 0/1 booleans < 1301938143 770491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does what you said < 1301938145 820305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1301938150 260287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, exactly what you said < 1301938154 406235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'd matter in BF Joust because of itming < 1301938156 7513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*timing < 1301938158 763289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzielance lol < 1301938204 954970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anticipation http://sprunge.us/CNiW < 1301938215 839804 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_anticipation: 40.2 < 1301938237 760961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ defence program that beats slowpoke < 1301938249 492118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made me think Culture ship names, then I tried to think why, then I realised that an (IIRC obnoxious) Wikipedian used that Culture ship name as a username for a while < 1301938251 33703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I figured out how to adapt slowpoke's strategy in a way which probably is completely fatal to defence < 1301938256 490057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I regretted my auto-thinking < 1301938263 799202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said that /last/ time too < 1301938274 571902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, that slowpoke was fatal? < 1301938275 102864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Culture ship in question is Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The) < 1301938282 181041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Let's just pretend I've memorised every Culture ship name without ever reading the novels) < 1301938284 542073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1301938290 793808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1301938314 770580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anticipation-style strategies can only work by assuming the program in question uses consistent timings < 1301938326 860661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I worked out how to make slowpoke vary its attack timing < 1301938384 414476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the person who used that name has /way/ too many pseudonyms < 1301938537 125168 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://libdl.so/ <-- best web page ever? < 1301938546 525116 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not URL, page) < 1301938577 309565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1301938582 649324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, but it's good for a quick laugh < 1301938584 341125 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor richards? < 1301938591 276747 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok gregor... now i know your powerword < 1301938596 405195 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1301938599 918946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HOW MANY THOUSANDS DID THAT ONE COST MR. GREGOR "MONEYBAGS" RICHARDS [U+PRBLM TROLL FACE] < 1301938623 506147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the ;s in anticipation? < 1301938631 486033 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ... my ... name? < 1301938632 666568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;s? < 1301938640 620933 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There was no auction. $10 :P < 1301938641 244673 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1301938647 461285 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your powerword. check it on ED. < 1301938654 233554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>(-)*20<(-)*20<(-)*20<(+)*108; < 1301938654 777519 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: My name isn't a secret. My real name is on my /whois . < 1301938656 445832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all one of them < 1301938657 150021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I must have been putting trailing semicolons out out of habit < 1301938660 728732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301938670 731696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ()*14 stuff is debug cod < 1301938670 909518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, your REAL NAME < 1301938672 331582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code < 1301938676 883186 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Powerword < 1301938680 732761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Mrs. Mary Gregor Richards < 1301938682 650745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :juiced currently notices loops like that and prints them to stderr whenever they execute < 1301938691 635218 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *Richardson < 1301938695 424068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really helpful when debugging < 1301938702 934807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other interps ignore them < 1301938721 822950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we decided on ()*0 as the comment format; IMO that would be a far superior method < 1301938732 551963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because printing all comments in a debug mode is a pretty good idea in bf joust < 1301938741 404169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps, but comments are sometimes really long < 1301938744 698351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since comments (at least for me) tend to just denote when the warrior starts doing something interesting < 1301938744 962532 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revealing to your victim that you know their Powerword: Real Name will cause them to panic, as they suddenly confront the possibility that their Furaffinity posts or the Eagle-Fox hybrid voraphile porn on their DeviantArt account could be sent to their IRL co-workers and friends. Their typical reaction will be to DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING - fortunately, most good trolls take screenshots. < 1301938747 737420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments and debug tags are inherently different things < 1301938748 705840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only /yours/ < 1301938760 911134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone puts the entire code generator in a comment? < 1301938769 520780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Gregor tried that, the syntax rules made it impossible :) < 1301938776 404797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[( They're on our flag; time to attack )*0 < 1301938781 781451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uses comments to explain their decoy setups? < 1301938787 774132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] ( They're gone! Or are they? )*0 [(Nope)*0 ...] ...] < 1301938799 539093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's acceptable to print out, IMO < 1301938803 337245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to skip over such things < 1301938805 654721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it's several lines long < 1301938810 800903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it only happens once < 1301938819 782326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code generator for anticipator has huge paragraphs explaining which timings are used by which other programs < 1301938823 186322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anticipation < 1301938831 300356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, well, what if we said that ()%0 was debug? :-D < 1301938841 464610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301938854 389027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as ({a})%0 should semantically run the a < 1301938861 106522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(juiced screws up on that case, though, IIRC) < 1301938863 973072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Don't go ouch, my other idea was ((debug)*0)*-1 < 1301938875 349383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301938881 100229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely :D < 1301938889 743009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> especially as ({a})%0 should semantically run the a < 1301938891 130986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use this! < 1301938893 345064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other advantage of ()*n is that it doesn't need to store any information the interp isn't already storing < 1301938894 632896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before{...}after)%0 < 1301938895 691313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USEFUL! < 1301938896 946468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :juiced deletes comments on load < 1301938900 751490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not ()*n loops < 1301938905 929942 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : especially as ({a})%0 should semantically run the a < 1301938908 81278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1301938917 922373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lance's architecture required deleting ()*n, IIRC < 1301938919 243183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comment {a} comment)%0 < 1301938923 805049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious < 1301938924 34558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PRECISELY < 1301938926 802554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (before{...}after)%0 USEFUL! < 1301938934 117722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not comment < 1301938934 468996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :debug < 1301938939 631789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which a before/after pair might actually be useful :) < 1301938962 497321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what about proper code comments? < 1301938972 43163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already agreed those are ()*0 < 1301938980 882351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought that was debug? < 1301938985 256563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301938986 607034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1301938991 280943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1301938991 630936 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1301938997 649243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're more dead code than comments, because they still have to have balanced (), [], etc. < 1301939001 879381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't have {} in them without a ()% in them < 1301939002 707373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatnot < 1301939006 909135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wasn't aware of that ()%n existed < 1301939008 653291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ()s in them still have to be followed by * or %, etc. etc. etc. < 1301939011 752894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (a{b}c)%n < 1301939027 753317 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah well without the {} I meant < 1301939053 732602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't exist < 1301939136 647419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens a lance directory to start coding
< 1301939145 670662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no deadline, before anyone asks :P < 1301939154 509502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a way to convert a spreadsheet into a LaTeX table? < 1301939160 53722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format? < 1301939269 30227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xls AtM, but I can use Calc to convert it. < 1301939350 360272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, use Gnumeric :) < 1301939357 952360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1301939362 269705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same difference/ < 1301939469 383989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301939470 349001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1301939474 746822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { A x; B y; }; < 1301939476 424341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have < 1301939481 705672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo blah = ...; < 1301939487 71743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B *foo = &foo->y; < 1301939487 667901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1301939499 945874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(struct foo*)(foo - offsetof(struct foo, y)) < 1301939506 856112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guaranteed to be a pointer to blah? < 1301939508 563796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foo * < 1301939530 639459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is useful when implementing generic data structures in C. For example, the Linux kernel uses offsetof() to implement container_of(), which allows something like a Mixin type to find the structure that contains it:[3] < 1301939531 103367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define container_of(ptr, type, member) ({ \ < 1301939531 267641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : const typeof( ((type *)0)->member ) *__mptr = (ptr); \ < 1301939531 267800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (type *)( (char *)__mptr - offsetof(type,member) );}) < 1301939531 267908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This macro is used to retrieve an enclosing structure from a pointer to a nested element, such as this iteration of a linked list of my_struct objects: < 1301939533 72503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1301939786 327813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, convert it to csv, then a fairly simple sed script should be able to do the rest < 1301939830 152924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of course, everyone has time to make a sed script to do tasks which should be routine enough for preëxisting automation. < 1301939831 694082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might need some manual adjustment for header < 1301939831 859531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still should be easy to automate it < 1301939864 969990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have time to whine on IRC, you have time to write a tiny sed script. < 1301939867 239035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that looks cool < 1301939876 553463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pitty is is not portable < 1301939886 616924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember < 1301939895 12936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: offsetof is C90 < 1301939898 506526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that container_of is nonportable, though < 1301939905 963206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it typeof that isn't < 1301939913 73770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :either typeof or offsetof is non-portable < 1301939946 348884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeof is nonportable, but container_of is nonportable also because of ((type *0)-> < 1301939954 903547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no first ( < 1301939959 194760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1301939962 71880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*((type *)0)-> < 1301939983 518454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh, you mean you hate coding? And I was trying to be helpful. I know of no such tool but suggested a somewhat easy way to convert very large tables < 1301940339 499031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1301940353 325662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how much did your original huge program nest? < 1301940558 493392 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1301940660 243001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, C could really do with generics < 1301940727 272729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do "C with templates" to simulate this ;) < 1301940738 732437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but more seriously. Have a look at the C99 header tgmath.h < 1301940768 147195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily there is no pure C way to implement tgmath.h < 1301940808 40899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not even sure that's true < 1301940812 537694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be really ugly though :) < 1301940839 997946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, if you knew certain things about sizeof... < 1301940853 215704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be implemented _for almost any given implementation_ in pure C < 1301940870 887182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the vast majority of implementations I would guess have different sizes of all of the relevant types < 1301940957 376826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301940967 926969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not true. Few embedded things do. < 1301940971 312409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it nests 1 per cycle it waits < 1301940973 726839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't embedded systems something like 80%-90% of the computers in the world? Read that somewhere.. < 1301940973 892522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't* < 1301940978 365741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, source code nesting depth < 1301940981 587951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :() and [] and {} combined < 1301940989 171969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*combined < 1301940992 844798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 more, I think < 1301940998 288106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 3 more < 1301941000 283947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, but i hope most embedded systems don't run C < 1301941004 811596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they probably do, but I hope they don't) < 1301941007 407889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is pretty simple, just doesn't compress well < 1301941009 718410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not an answer, the answer is constant < 1301941018 531702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it broke fizziewhateverlance's limit < 1301941033 858373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, 1 per cycle it waits, which is a value I set when writing the code < 1301941038 416312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I originally had it at 1600 < 1301941046 129798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wasn't it more? < 1301941071 385801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm wondering how high to set the stack limit, or alternatively, whether I really must dynamically allocate) < 1301941145 906997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd happily put it all the way up at 100000 if I thought it would help, although it'd make the program much longer < 1301941157 87145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ais523 ais523 204754 2011-04-04 05:18 anticipation.bj < 1301941166 12197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'd go much above 2000 or so without exceeding the 1MB limit < 1301941193 783344 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh < 1301941198 224077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 lines in half a second < 1301941202 832730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I had no lag elsewhere < 1301941204 577366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode fail < 1301941224 696654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is no 1 meg limit < 1301941229 917706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless fizzielance has one < 1301941236 116866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" elliott: it nests 1 per cycle it waits" to " I doubt I'd go much above 2000 or so without exceeding the 1MB limit" arrived in a single second < 1301941241 691987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: k < 1301941264 484203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think it might be interesting to do BF Joust with a nesting restriction on expanded [] < 1301941268 653961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really small one, say 16 < 1301941273 224435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that's not the language we're using :) < 1301941279 58963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably make ()% redundant < 1301941286 281161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd get rid of slowpoke and improved-slowpoke-style things < 1301941288 102639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll probably just malloc a 1,048,576 structures big thing for the nesting stack < 1301941294 152994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe smaller, a struct seems to be... < 1301941297 720694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll hold off on improved-slowpoke in case it truly is impossible to defend against) < 1301941304 483040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 + 4 + 4 + 4 < 1301941308 338178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on both 32-bit and 64-bit < 1301941319 113275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be 16 megabytes :) < 1301941327 378260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, 16 megabytes isn't much to allocate < 1301941333 403761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it dynamically should be easy < 1301941334 495580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otooh, nobody is going to nest _that_ much < 1301941337 365611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: yeah, but i hope most embedded systems don't run C <-- what do you expect them to run < 1301941338 193021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I can just use the cycle limit < 1301941338 646371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1301941343 592344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you're wondering, joust allocates the stack during the parser < 1301941344 640407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a literal hard limit < 1301941347 531606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*juicd < 1301941351 86773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*juiced < 1301941357 440843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it isn't hard, but manual memory management angers me anyway < 1301941360 365885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: asm or forth < 1301941366 346384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the nesting stack's stored in the same structs that the program is < 1301941379 92411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, C is the majority as far as I know. Then there is a bit of ADA and asm. And a few thiny other languages including forth. < 1301941384 381785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't even compile to jumps? lol < 1301941394 404599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do ada is getting a lot more rare very quickly < 1301941396 421119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *Ada < 1301941397 216831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though* < 1301941399 16221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1301941402 732658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've made that typo like 48734953948593475893745793845793459837598345 times < 1301941405 579131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it effectively does < 1301941407 948656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more structured < 1301941408 649361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it ais523 < 1301941428 70379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yeah, C very clearly dominates < 1301941442 817755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, when camelcased is opcode Opcode or OpCode? < 1301941450 575768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unfortunately. < 1301941500 237064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and in embedded the ISA bus isn't still quite dead yet. Sadly. < 1301941504 707577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is dying, but not there yet. < 1301941511 80685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not joking. < 1301941547 485260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes? isa isn't that old < 1301941565 533603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ISA was quite horrible < 1301941582 992642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before objecting that it was invented in 1981, remember that i've been reading about Multics and identifying with a lot of the design goals and implementation, and that was in 1969) < 1301941591 848483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1301941594 187343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multics started in 1964 < 1301941595 316051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even earlier < 1301941617 391124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does that mean you think everything old was better? < 1301941627 186604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just means that i've looked a lot further back than most people :) < 1301941638 940576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I seem to like ALGOL 60 quite well, based on what ais523's said and some other things < 1301941644 724692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ofc Lisp is even older) < 1301941666 947293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should go write machine code on punch cards < 1301941677 91506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : UR JUST A MINDLESS OLDIE CONSERVATIVE < 1301941678 179703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : no < 1301941682 521301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembler? You got to be kidding < 1301941682 685875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : GO DO OLD THINGS < 1301941702 396975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been practising your reading comprehension i see :) < 1301941713 245654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I didn't say that :P < 1301941713 436379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I agree multics had some good points < 1301941722 260281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on. < 1301941734 654904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does your hardware pass the man or boy test? < 1301941739 375461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I never said I wouldn't want to play with punch cards myself! < 1301941742 574426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would!) < 1301941755 3261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't looked at it yet < 1301941758 3116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that kind of fetish will get you in hospital with papercuts all over < 1301941764 581138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's basically a set of the insanity of call by name < 1301941767 971135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har har < 1301941769 759500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do, because it's harder for it to happen incorrectly than correctly < 1301941780 207509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know the test exists, and more or less what it tests) < 1301941780 727746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (the answer is -67, but Knuth thought it was -121 in the original paper, that's how hard it is :D) < 1301941809 463777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is this test you are talking about? < 1301941811 266754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's difficult in hardware is very different from what's difficult in software < 1301941811 432131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does your compiler work on ICA code or ALGOL 60 code? < 1301941814 6839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_or_boy_test < 1301941858 281563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it works on ICA parsetrees, atm < 1301941865 313645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301941871 913301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that program doesn't compile into hardware, it uses an illegal sort of recursion < 1301941928 152534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the max cycles? 1 M? 100 k? < 1301941935 281670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hardware has to be finite-state; that means restricting what's allowed) < 1301941937 162382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in jouoouououououououost, i mean < 1301941943 34804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100k < 1301941951 14055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the normally agreed-upon value nowadays < 1301942023 90345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, no < 1301942028 226043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think < 1301942031 373943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was a bug in egojoust, IIRC < 1301942036 560022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s repetition code < 1301942039 488659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the bug made it interpret -1 as 10k < 1301942040 906553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than 10k < 1301942043 503170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rather than 100k < 1301942081 771766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, okay < 1301942197 8890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, C needs generics :) < 1301942206 222452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even define a stack in C! < 1301942228 257643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you have (1) ugly (void *) munging requiring extraneous allocation with stacks of structures, < 1301942235 379212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can with macros < 1301942240 725970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) both an array and an index variable that are separate, < 1301942241 418387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1301942249 477802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) a macro that defines a bunch of types and functions for working on a specific type < 1301942259 100377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a macro is hideously ugly and causes binary bloat < 1301942261 944908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it can take a type as parameter to the macro < 1301942282 15902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a final option, a bunch of functions that take sizeofs and a bunch of macros that call them with the appropriate sizes, but that's insanely ugly too. < 1301942283 450392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a pain to code < 1301942299 212253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do it as a linked list < 1301942311 330179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh, that's what the function solutions were < 1301942317 675286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, a linked list is pretty inefficient for a stack in C < 1301942319 691533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because malloc is slow < 1301942328 279574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, I though the functions operated on an array of some sort < 1301942329 928004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a growing away is much better, but even more work to code < 1301942345 193679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so stop coding C < 1301942356 439398 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301942365 474037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still have to write my own growing array in Haskell I think :-D < 1301942369 549795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the vector package has that < 1301942379 64094 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301942381 670575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, surely perl has this? < 1301942383 457411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : XD < 1301942390 595494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway C is more useful, since EgoBot's Haskell environment is uncertain < 1301942397 880829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, because BF Joust execution is quite intensive < 1301942400 302919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think the Alternative Vote campaining's starting to start in earnest; the government sent out leaflets explaining what the vote was about, and links to the campaign websites: http://www.yestofairervotes.org/ http://www.no2av.org/ < 1301942401 950301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like it to be fast < 1301942404 700621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it would be trivial to do in scheme < 1301942414 438965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how the "no" campaign indirectly calls the US a third world country < 1301942415 332595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it started a while ago < 1301942428 40108 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use lambdabot? < 1301942435 464971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yesterday's when all the leafleting, etc, reached my house < 1301942441 776734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301942451 51115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so do it in ASM! < 1301942457 469149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :total freedom < 1301942462 945674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not portable, even more work to code generic things < 1301942487 747324 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are opinion polls out yet? < 1301942497 663555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't think so < 1301942499 615601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, howso? < 1301942502 927318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't really looked < 1301942503 356429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd expect the yes campaign to do that < 1301942509 164430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all first-world countries have a sane voting system!" < 1301942543 921247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh @ the yes site, just because bad people vote no on AV doesn't mean it's a good idea (it is, but for better reasons altogether) < 1301942545 894932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the no campaign seems to be based on two points: a) it's expensive, b) it means that the winner will be chosen by back-room deals between politicians rather than who people actually voted for < 1301942550 532092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, Java-style generics would actually be a good fit for C, but they won't work because sizeof < 1301942553 68863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand b) < 1301942561 512316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you forgot c) ONE PERSON ONE VOTE LOL I AM RETARDED < 1301942563 931530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, do they have a point, or are they just lying in order to try to confuse people? < 1301942567 537885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they didn't list that < 1301942576 426421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the "slogan" on their website, IIRC < 1301942579 347506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301942586 266307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1301942592 71701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see top-right corner image of http://www.no2av.org/ < 1301942612 942916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I note about the No campaign is that there's a very strong indication, if not spelt out, of "all sane politicians oppose AV, AV is a Lib Dem conspiracy to let Nick Clegg become dictator!" < 1301942613 577315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Alternative Vote will be wrong for BRitain and wrong for the Labour Party." < 1301942620 674308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no2av looks like it might get people to actually vote yes :-D < 1301942651 466496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks strongly targeted at Labour voters, to me < 1301942659 95194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people who voted Lib Dem but regretted the decision < 1301942665 154035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, that may well be > 50% of the country < 1301942666 575848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose the Tories have already made up their minds < 1301942679 186926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain they have < 1301942695 973481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have looked into the maths think that AV would probably be good for the Tories short-term, and bad long-term < 1301942698 892824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I wonder if most people regret voting for the Lib Dems because they've been spineless, or because they've decided that the current government is TOO LEFT WING? < 1301942704 211569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is the sane reason, but I fear it might be the latter < 1301942715 72921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because they threw in with the Conservatives < 1301942720 459034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so the former :) < 1301942742 143365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wouldn't have minded the Coalition if it wasn't effectively the Conservatives governing with the name of the Lib Dems) < 1301942752 771881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the other way round, I didn't manage to vote Lib Dem due to a mixup (despite trying), but don't regret the result of the election < 1301942753 31841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: I think the Alternative Vote campaining's starting to start in earnest; the government sent out leaflets explaining what the vote was about, and links to the campaign websites: http://www.yestofairervotes.org/ http://www.no2av.org/ <-- which country? < 1301942753 284434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah UK < 1301942753 450247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what is this change really about? < 1301942753 641391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ais523: what is the actual suggested change here? < 1301942753 806784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a saner voting system would be good for UK. But it needs to be saner. < 1301942760 129372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YAY LAG < 1301942764 761173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those mesages just came at once < 1301942765 102601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1301942770 615631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1301942776 590870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : a saner voting system would be good for UK. But it needs to be saner. < 1301942779 109465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than what, AV? < 1301942782 543380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV is perfectly sane < 1301942784 82757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the suggested change is to replace a first-past-the-post voting system with alternative-vote < 1301942785 895468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, than your old one < 1301942789 269009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just instant-runoff < 1301942792 158832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV is definitely saner than FPTP < 1301942794 955555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I got your messages in bursts btw < 1301942796 972756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most things are saner than FPTP < 1301942820 285011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1301942823 262960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in all the AV elections I've participated in so far (at university), it's been pretty sane for one-person-elected results < 1301942847 75658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person elected stuff is where you get into issues < 1301942848 71925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know from personal experience that STV (the generalised version to select more than one seat) is mostly sane, but gets extremely insane in edge cases < 1301942857 730256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROI use IRV for presidential elections < 1301942860 718847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never ever try to elect fourteen candidates to twelve places like that < 1301942862 298698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, let's start the propaganda machine! < 1301942864 938855 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that the Swedish one very good, but it is quite okay < 1301942892 489258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay for Stochastic votes, the only mathematically sane voting system! < 1301942897 406696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swedish what? < 1301942898 19240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stochastic! < 1301942903 63401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that. < 1301942904 431584 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301942914 42016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby propose all 0 #esoteric elections be held with stochastic voting < 1301942922 100657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure stochastic voting is quite sane on such a small scale, though :)) < 1301942934 580122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, voting system. It is saner than the old UK one. And than the US one. < 1301942949 22947 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition no voting system is good < 1301942949 866870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does that work? everyone votes, then you choose a result at random? < 1301942960 231641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's brilliant, but no, and I have definitely told you about it before < 1301942967 733878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sane I think, everything is excessively sane in sweden... except the government, of course < 1301942979 566485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "In each riding, ballots cast are counted. A random candidate is selected with a distribution proportional to the number of votes for each candidate. The selected candidate wins the seat." < 1301942992 796020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's slightly saner < 1301942995 748751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people will still hate it < 1301942996 547839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's much saner < 1301942998 40914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is the only voting system in which the only rational choice is to vote for your preference < 1301943007 139268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people will hate it and it'll never be implemented, but there is no logical reason to hate it < 1301943017 23375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it completely eliminates tactical voting and other such nonsense < 1301943025 302872 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no it does not < 1301943033 753597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it eliminates tactical voting being _rational_ < 1301943038 509092 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it does not < 1301943041 46129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does < 1301943042 77865 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that doesn't mean the winner we be reflective of the group < 1301943054 564231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, no it does not < 1301943056 170326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it seems to get around Arrow's Theorem by having a nondeterministic result < 1301943064 564022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you going to answer why, or are you just going to say it's not? < 1301943083 100611 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that I know < 1301943090 520831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's pretty sane I think, everything is excessively sane in sweden... except the government, of course <-- :D < 1301943095 560650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about this: /everyone/ voted for is elected, and they make collective decisions by voting themselves, with voting power proportional to the number of people who voted for them < 1301943102 245392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's just Liquid Democracy, isn't it? < 1301943108 926728 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: parties < 1301943117 908252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's not an answer, let alone a proof < 1301943122 901921 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1301943128 977048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ? < 1301943131 914573 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2011/03/unusual-voting-scheme.html < 1301943139 456991 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any constituency system has the fundamental flaw that a voter may want to vote for a less preferred person in order to get a more preferred overall outcome < 1301943154 320132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: all the _individual_ elections are completely fair < 1301943163 521757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want candidate A in the seat, there is no reason not to vote for candidate A < 1301943168 371111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: in this case, you _don't_ want candidate A in the seat < 1301943171 320013 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is true < 1301943182 170526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ideal world has candidate A in the seat, but the current world except candidate A in the seat is not a world you want < 1301943198 376599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: er, that isn't stochastic voting, just so you know < 1301943212 872591 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see the link < 1301943213 110228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second. Don't you vote for a party over there? < 1301943216 300773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you vote for individuals? < 1301943223 109518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Sweden we vote for a party, and then state the preference of a candidate in that party < 1301943230 718952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you vote for an individual who's part of a party < 1301943231 488534 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, mmp is stupid < 1301943234 848113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for local seats < 1301943237 345640 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and while arrow's theorem doesn't apply due to nondeterminism, it doesn't actually get around it < 1301943238 137452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to make a lot more sense, than voting for a given person < 1301943249 8087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting for a person is perfectly logical, it's not electing a president or anything < 1301943251 576974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's picking who will represent you < 1301943253 559989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r area < 1301943257 703679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i did < 1301943263 80248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: what is the relevance < 1301943279 438037 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since the algorithm effectively works by picking a dictator at random < 1301943288 317173 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know. I just wanted to point out an interesting type of Real Life voting system < 1301943294 470173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ???? no it doesn't < 1301943299 114558 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes it does < 1301943301 23572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not random < 1301943302 348406 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevance = talking about voting + voting system < 1301943302 655326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weighted < 1301943307 237534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: current UK voting system: everyone lives in a constituency; you vote for one person who represents the constituency; whoever gets the most votes in a constituency is elected to government < 1301943311 494144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using the unweighted sense of "random" to make it sound bad < 1301943311 658720 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: based on vote proportions < 1301943313 139379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using the unweighted sense of "random" to make it sound bad < 1301943321 274878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: you vote for an individual who's part of a party <-- no. We vote for a party. The party has made an ordered list of candidates in the given voting area. You can check one to alter your preference from the top one to that one. Enough checks on a candidate can re-arrange the order of the list. < 1301943332 355564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parties don't exist in theory at all, but in practice, each major party suggests someone in each constituency who's more or less forced to toe the party line < 1301943335 45569 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. picking someone at random and going with their preference < 1301943337 56497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, WE vote for that < 1301943341 303331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you as in you-in-our-scheme < 1301943342 555489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although occasionally you get "rebellions" where they disobey the party line anyway < 1301943345 761517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not at all like the Swedish one then < 1301943350 252702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1301943352 798040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: again, using the different sense of random to make it sound bad < 1301943381 466352 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now, you can weight the selection process by, say, square root of votes received < 1301943391 334426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Sweden#Voting: "Unlike in many countries where voters chose from a list of candidates or parties, each party in Sweden has separate ballot papers." (and then read on) < 1301943399 624356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: since the algorithm effectively works by picking a dictator at random < 1301943403 930363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this does is make it sound like the system is < 1301943405 845697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> import random < 1301943410 139789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> random.choice(list_of_candidates) < 1301943412 857383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1301943415 323092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> DICTATOR = random.choice(list_of_candidates) < 1301943435 518790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both "dictator" and "at random" give the sentence way more emotional content than it should have and makes it read completely wrongly < 1301943438 717244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this no-to-AV site contradicts itself < 1301943448 693255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The candidates chosen from each party are determined by two factors: the candidate's ranking by their party and the number of preference votes from the voters. Though the parties still entirely control the names on their own party lists, the system gives the voters a degree of power in choosing candidates from the list." < 1301943450 496355 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301943453 212794 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got it wrong < 1301943455 477482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I should start a yes-to-stochastic site, just to make everyone vote for AV < 1301943459 405755 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> DICTATOR = random.choice(list_of_voters) < 1301943466 931296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean this is the system you aim for? < 1301943467 596286 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> WINNER = DICTATOR.choice < 1301943468 687934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1301943473 464891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's not true at all < 1301943480 499960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what < 1301943481 642597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1301943488 331077 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the simplest stochastic system, it is < 1301943493 390535 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, you can ery it more < 1301943494 522800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: no, WE vote for that <-- what? < 1301943497 238770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's not a stochastic system _anyone_ is proposing < 1301943502 400011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE'S MY VOTING SYSTEMS GUYS HURP DURP < 1301943506 892189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> WINNER = CANDIDATES[0] < 1301943512 532244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS IDENTICAL TO FIRST-PAST-THE-POST AND ALSO ALL SYSTEMS < 1301943514 207504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CAN VERY IT MORE < 1301943517 483346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME SYSTEM!!!!! < 1301943520 44570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL VOTING SYSTEMS ARE UNFAIR < 1301943528 638326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you ^ < 1301943532 991110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*VARY < 1301943555 945595 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in any case, the system /does/ violate a fundamental tenet of democracy that I feel should be maintained < 1301943580 459765 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, that a sufficiently large majority should get to choose < 1301943607 284914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most voting systems violate that in practice < 1301943613 731922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's incredibly vague < 1301943625 756739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't violate that tenet at all < 1301943631 539210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what YOU'RE arguing for is literal direct democracy < 1301943641 114207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, if you have representatives, they could vote for something the large majority doesn't want! < 1301943646 327239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIOLATES A FUNDAMENTAL TENET OF DEMOCRACY < 1301943654 786961 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and one which is fundamentally impossible to have along with the other "democratic" principles (see arrows theorem which has been mentioned before) < 1301943656 649158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're proposing completely pure direct democracy... < 1301943660 307375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, have fun, I won't be joining you < 1301943660 847716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, this yes-to-AV site suggests that AV eliminates tactical voting < 1301943675 632168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it doesn't, although it makes it both risky and confusing, which means it'll likely drop in practice to a level low enough to not be significant < 1301943705 853560 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability to successfully vote tactically in practice is very reduced and requires some serious mathematics and accurate opinion polls to work out < 1301943741 945501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that only geeks will vote tactically and thus control the system! < 1301943744 898765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1301943753 364546 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ++ < 1301943753 757987 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301943759 508815 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather coppro ++ < 1301943769 280146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: indeed; the correct way to vote tactically under AV is to vote for a party with more extreme views than the party you think is most likely to win but don't want to win first, keeping your other preferences in order, with small probability < 1301943780 351043 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just prefer a dictatorship with myself at the helm < 1301943780 570832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't want to take that risk < 1301943788 553055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the situations in which it comes up are kind-of rare < 1301943793 787423 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1301943802 263300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictatorship sounds like too much work < 1301943802 921794 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes, I'm familiar with Arrow's theorem, however, there are voting systems that can maintain a majority criterion provided, of course, that you drop the independence of irrelevant alternatives < 1301943809 120004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just have people use a mind reading device on me < 1301943815 984841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implement whatever i think is good < 1301943822 740856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :independence of irrelevant alternatives is pretty useful < 1301943840 358107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, which of the criteria does AV fail? it meets IIA, doesn't it? < 1301943848 741436 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but impossible in any deterministic voting system < 1301943852 233543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, a direct democracy would surely work? < 1301943853 74138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wikipedia probably has the answers :-P < 1301943859 192029 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it doesn't meet IIA < 1301943859 569360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, but I'm being lazy < 1301943862 891252 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, no sane voting system does < 1301943863 781234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhhhhhhh, define work < 1301943869 31936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct democracy so does not work in practice < 1301943869 891908 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because violating the other two are worse < 1301943879 683743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct democracy gives you a country with no taxes and infinite public services :P < 1301943890 90686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh right, because an irrelevant alternative could get more first-place votes than the party that eventually wins, and yet more or less no support elsewhere? < 1301943893 242272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1301943897 270815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: indeed, but I'm being lazy < 1301943899 719175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by trying to think it out yourself? < 1301943912 297393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because it can split the vote for the eventual best party in half, causing it to lose in the first round < 1301943918 49655 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301943926 306320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, a direct democracy would be fun < 1301943930 135578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, thinking's easier than using the Internet < 1301943934 138893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :time consuming however < 1301943937 428522 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you end up with rational ignorance and tyranny of the majority (ok - not a necc. a mathematical argument - but an important one to) < 1301943943 324100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: hey, thinking's easier than using the Internet < 1301943947 98560 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :350) elliott: hey, thinking's easier than using the Internet < 1301943949 959802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A fun BAD IDEA. < 1301943964 908269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, you mean like in Switzerland and the Minaret ban? < 1301943982 553950 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, exactly < 1301943984 313069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland isn't totally direct-democracy. < 1301944002 39344 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I only read about that in passing - but yeah < 1301944045 461409 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the alternatives to failing IIA are failing the unanimity criterion or a dictator < 1301944126 113331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there four criteria, any one of which can be broken? < 1301944130 698225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other one's always producing a result < 1301944163 879570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Condorcet fails that one, and meets the other three < 1301944169 617365 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1301944174 656710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really interesting combo < 1301944178 915258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1301944180 916012 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ToM is roughly: "when the controlling members of a voting system vote against the non-controlling members in a way which affords no positive to either side" some would extend that to "in a way which affords to positive to the non-controlling side" < 1301944181 604040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it often does produce a result < 1301944183 98797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, you risk that with too anyway. Weather-wane politics to keep the power. < 1301944183 264394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less likely yes but still a risk < 1301944183 264581 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational Ignorance is: "I don't care about this issue either way - so I won't vote" and thus leads to a minority controlling < 1301944187 837934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301944195 919919 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: imagine a law giving $100 to every person in new york and taking that from idaho's budget. all the people outside of those two states would not vote (they are rationally ignorant) and NY would win with a bad law (taking money from other people without reason) because of a minority of a total voters) < 1301944204 554397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I bet there are voting systems like "Condorcet, and if it doesn't work, tweak and repeat" < 1301944220 416009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a few condorcet-and-tiebreak systems < 1301944221 199376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, right < 1301944222 392401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tweaking part being the thing that breaks a different criterion, obviously < 1301944228 316963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301944233 260113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ranked pairs < 1301944241 504548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweak-and-repeat's an interesting way to do things, though < 1301944262 741381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Switzerland isn't totally direct-democracy. <-- indeed. But in this specific case, that was the aspect that mattered. < 1301944275 451921 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some ideas I have seen are basically threshold + rotate: everyone votes one person from a pool of nominies. If they get at least X% of the vote they get to be in charge for L amount of time after which the next one takes over < 1301944284 286176 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they all rotate - new elections < 1301944285 465929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Condorcet, and if it produces no result, remove the least popular candidate, and reassign all votes for that candidate to the candidate just above it in poopularity (where popularity is measured by the sum of 1/ranking over all votes for them, or something), then repeat < 1301944310 998788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Condorcet takes rankings as an input < 1301944318 723092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and this does mean that if you vote (3, X) and (4, Y) and Y gets knocked off, then you'll vote (3, X) and (4, X) which is impossible normally < 1301944319 4050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor! < 1301944319 884559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it does < 1301944321 947319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I accounted for that < 1301944335 610711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that system i just invented probably already exists, anyway :) < 1301944336 713777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only compares pairwise < 1301944343 440431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrong < 1301944358 203779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: create a mapping of candidate->popularity, where popularity = sum1/ranking for all votes for candidate < 1301944363 92877 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : gregor! ??????? < 1301944364 223899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ranking is the ranking the candidate was at < 1301944383 439383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pick the candidate with the least popularity; change all votes for (ranking,candidate) into (ranking,candidate2), where candidate2 is the second-least candidate by popularity < 1301944384 192910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then repeat < 1301944392 292407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the way Condorcet works is for any two candidates, a > b if more people put a above b than put b above a, now tsort the results and see who ends up first < 1301944393 299313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : gregor! ??????? < 1301944400 551020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't produce a result because sometimes you have cycles < 1301944401 895663 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, variable, Vorpal: ??? < 1301944402 314320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that is how i go about getting people's attention < 1301944406 641999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: note: if you have (3,X) and (4,Y) and Y gets knocked off and X is candidate2, this turns into (3,X) and (4,X), but that's okay < 1301944409 531215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i sent you pm. < 1301944410 150989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I have no clue < 1301944412 92387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AND? < 1301944412 258797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you define "least popularity"? < 1301944415 289151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I TOLD YOU < 1301944417 360042 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: typically prefixed with a "ping" on IRC :-\ < 1301944418 203614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you use the ranking pairs directly < 1301944420 280882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not condorcet's output < 1301944423 710561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, OK < 1301944427 937721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that probably does have a name < 1301944442 22731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: maybe that is a freenode tradition, but i shun and eschew tradition < 1301944470 672433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes; possibly it doesn't make the decision to turn (3,worst-candidate-but-one) and (4,worst-candidate) into (3,worst-candidate-but-one) and (3,worst-candidate-but-one) < 1301944475 704280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (I imagine it might just drop the latter vote) < 1301944575 67834 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@148.61.234.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301944584 912246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301944590 566787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: oh dear < 1301944612 128359 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think I know what's going on. I'm telling it to connect, but the object holding the connection is instantly garbage collected, since I'm not doing anything with it. < 1301944612 831551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aargh, one day I'm going to kill G. for introducing "moron in a hurry" < 1301944618 706465 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, it's a tswettbot < 1301944621 324799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what language? < 1301944623 312449 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1301944625 533244 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk. < 1301944637 649912 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, is it going to talk to us about the weather then? < 1301944638 610062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you using the destructor to close the connection or something? < 1301944644 62199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's probably a bad idea :) < 1301944651 103116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think smalltalks are mark-and-sweep usually, not refcounted < 1301944656 646461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I very much doubt it's freed instantly < 1301944660 310321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, rather, they're anything but refcounting < 1301944669 417881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301944674 605801 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not telling it to close the connection at all. < 1301944695 578599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is source available? or is it written in the sort of Smalltalk where source doesn't really exist, only objects? < 1301944699 503151 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that if I don't do something with the object, tswettbot doesn't show up here. < 1301944712 709950 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could "file out" the package, which might produce readable source code. < 1301944771 230766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could have just asked "Is it written in GNU Smalltalk?" < 1301944780 532391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Smalltalk projects are usually shared with Monticello, the language-aware VCS. < 1301944791 862813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Squeak, at least, and IIRC it runs on the popular commercial systems too. < 1301944812 364281 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Smalltalk's GUI and expressions you evaluate manually apparently do not use separate threads automatically. So, since this expression will continue evaluating until tswettbot disconnects, I don't get to use the GUI for a while. :P < 1301944815 601393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I went to some effort to make sure that in Feather, source really did always exist < 1301944836 84011 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@148.61.234.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301944838 628306 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot should be out of here in just a mom--yep. < 1301945060 58169 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file-out was successful, but I have no idea where the file is. :P < 1301945064 767920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out < 1301945112 17147 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is. It's inside the application package. < 1301945132 579222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR USING OS X < 1301945136 329800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or RISC OS I guess < 1301945138 911729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ROX < 1301945150 550581 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, this file is CR-delimited. < 1301945293 101570 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CR-delimited? < 1301945322 716149 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses CR to denote a line break. < 1301945327 458960 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no LFs anywhere. < 1301945338 841008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like comma-separated, with LF between lines and CR between fields? < 1301945348 803615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would by the way be a nice file format < 1301945365 120405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, classic mac os? < 1301945367 216716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't using tabs between fields make more sense? < 1301945376 803283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bonus points, EBCDIC has LF, CR, /and/ NL < 1301945380 216781 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1301945388 114175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought OS X didn't use CR any more < 1301945389 393920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never spell EBCDIC < 1301945390 668503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always < 1301945391 859955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebidibic < 1301945394 667308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebidbidbdicbd < 1301945396 124111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, do you know the original reason both LF and CR were created? < 1301945396 311985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beidbeidbebibeic < 1301945398 896783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebdiebdciebdeibcidebciebdiebcidbeicbiecicd < 1301945405 68816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beiber < 1301945408 344912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did NL do? < 1301945412 507853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: newline, of course < 1301945419 663822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, same! < 1301945422 298031 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's certainly not what I'm *using*. I guess this Smalltalk format just happens to use CR for lines. < 1301945429 366162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well duh < 1301945431 44702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but how was it used < 1301945433 452727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BCD stands for binary-coded-decimal, it's easier to spell if you know that < 1301945436 453698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know < 1301945439 763271 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If OS X still used just CR for line breaks, nothing would work. :) < 1301945440 13354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as compared to how CR and LF were used < 1301945440 650197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301945472 805312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying OS X works, tswett? < 1301945482 524045 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I'm implying that *some* of it works. < 1301945489 987968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well that might be true, mathematically < 1301945493 287241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the definition of works < 1301945512 717190 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I can use the TextEdit application to create a plain text file, open up the Terminal application, cat the file (if I can find it), and boom, it's the file I entered into TextEdit. < 1301945550 461966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: doesn't textedit use rtf even if you just type plain text, by default < 1301945551 5898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1301945575 777438 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1301945586 366378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1301945597 699625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the file you entered into TextEdit, i.e. literally the file < 1301945601 657840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the text you entered into TextEdit :-D < 1301945612 500353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't think the terminal distinguishes \n from \r\n < 1301945620 305883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably decodes any utf-8 sequences < 1301945621 794006 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, I have to use some menu options to make that work. :P < 1301945622 765474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not even the same file! < 1301945633 441872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that doesn't work if you don't have a mouse!!! < 1301945639 210305 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what the file-out of my Smalltalk looks like: http://pastebin.com/yi34NaBs < 1301945648 237302 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't have a mouse. It works just fine. < 1301945669 457624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a pointing device, then < 1301945672 525160 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can almost read that file-out. < 1301945685 24554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, wiktionary has lojban < 1301945692 60377 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's delimited by exclamation marks, apparently. < 1301945706 590356 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly readable, but I have no idea what "]style[(45)f1!" means. < 1301945709 984572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently zbasu was formed by finding out what the word is in a bunch of other languages, then taking letters at random < 1301945725 691737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "TannerSwett" -- your smalltalk name is meant to be your initials, IIRC < 1301945737 610453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nextPutAll: 'USER ', nick, ' * * :', nick; crlf; < 1301945737 774446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second parameter is mode, not * < 1301945738 900966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 8 < 1301945755 747598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also classify your methods >:() < 1301945757 140212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*>:) < 1301945757 305254 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they weren't taken at random. They used a very sophisticated and specialized PRNG. < 1301945778 321173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also also, you probably don't want an accessor for the stream < 1301945780 233522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least not a /setter/ < 1301945792 981629 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the second and third parameters were the hostname and server. < 1301945800 494952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's in the old RFC < 1301945816 676525 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. So you're saying the second parameter should be the number 8? < 1301945828 32163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other mode bitmask (there are only two bits you can set that are RFC-defined) < 1301945830 333390 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I'll classify my methods once I figure out what classification they should go in. :P < 1301945836 640600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC that sets invisible and disables wallops < 1301945841 246867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible is forced on freenode anyway < 1301945841 797415 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301945844 949909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bot can't do anything useful with wallops < 1301945858 365525 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I don't want a setter on stream. < 1301945866 881923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Or arguably an accessor. < 1301945873 692097 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The getter should probably go, too, eventually. < 1301945875 277526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's a reason for arbitrary other classes to be writing to the socket. < 1301945881 770277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just have a writeIRCLine: method or something. < 1301945899 842848 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be using instVarAt: when I really need to access it manually for some strange reason. < 1301945907 613868 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1301945910 69736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1301945926 209594 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the object browser. :P < 1301945935 873906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You should write a working SmallNomic to motivate me to go back to mine :-D < 1301945944 799610 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm working on. < 1301945954 658267 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one is obviously to write an IRC bot. < 1301945964 629392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Damn. Then stop so I don't feel pressure when writing mine. < 1301945991 690709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I would totally tell you the one thing something can't be called a Smalltalk nomic without, but you'd just STEAL IT if you haven't already and I CANNOT ABIDE BY THAT. < 1301946024 149113 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301946040 25210 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have a bunch of ideas. Like, make the nomic scriptable with Lua. < 1301946051 563649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Was... Smalltalk not good enough? < 1301946063 404 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO LANGUAGE IS GOOD ENOUGH! < 1301946064 812527 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST HAVE TWO! < 1301946081 940224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The Thing It Must Have is the ability to modify any core class, not just "Nomic-owned" ones, so that the nomic can even modify the programming language it's written in. < 1301946084 269323 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I've never found a programming language with both persistence and sandboxing. So I'm using Smalltalk for persistence and Lua for sandboxing. < 1301946088 804162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ostensibly this would produce the GREATEST < 1301946089 796598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROGRAMMING < 1301946090 460028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGUAGE < 1301946091 140916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER. < 1301946093 954111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You don't NEED sandboxing... < 1301946102 306338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from, like, running it in a chroot. < 1301946104 321621 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it makes things much nicer, doesn't it? < 1301946107 603405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1301946110 132690 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a MOO that doesn't have sandboxing. < 1301946111 896536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It restricts what the nomic can do. < 1301946121 327189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is it meant to be a nomic or a MOO? < 1301946125 875967 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that kind of sandboxing. Allow the nomic to sandbox the code that users put into it. < 1301946133 104222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can't be both; it can only be a nomic with a MOO subgame.) < 1301946133 433544 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A moomic. < 1301946139 689026 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, a nomic with a MOO subgame. < 1301946139 892906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, not that kind of sandboxing. Allow the nomic to sandbox the code that users put into it. < 1301946142 740300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of sandboxing I meant. < 1301946160 806694 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so well-integrated that it becomes a moomic. < 1301946162 307702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The MOO should obviously be in Smalltalk :) < 1301946168 133379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because Smalltalk is pretty well suited to writing nomics. < 1301946174 105801 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, yes. < 1301946178 85754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1301946179 961560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because Smalltalk is pretty well suited to writing MOOs. < 1301946184 344105 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, yes. < 1301946185 695662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because of the message-passing paradigm.) < 1301946201 923525 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does the sandboxing I mentioned restrict what the nomic can do? < 1301946211 700027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant sandboxing proposals themselves and the like. < 1301946215 66082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is Satanic. < 1301946220 440583 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Nope. < 1301946238 303186 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let people upload code and run it without asking anyone for permission. Naturally, that requires sandboxing. < 1301946241 410269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Also also, you may not have a JS-based class browser proposal creation interface, because that's SmallNomic patented :P < 1301946266 130347 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes the most ingenious code ever: [(Delay forSeconds: 5) wait] fork
< 1301946276 757271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! It does nothing, in the background! < 1301946280 348797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "sleep 5 &"! < 1301946284 710380 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1301946292 377715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Anyway if you were a REAL programmer you'd do it in Self. < 1301946336 690468 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how forkAndWait could possibly be useful. It provides threading, but only allows one thread to run at once. < 1301946350 136362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it exist? < 1301946360 230145 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. You can [(Delay forSeconds: 5) wait] forkAndWait. < 1301946360 394120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it'll only wait on it in the current thread. < 1301946367 533509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could also just call the block. < 1301946369 495810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1301946377 95379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why not check out its code/comments? < 1301946401 362264 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. It says, "Suspend current process and execute self in new process, when it completes resume current process". < 1301946421 187075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1301946525 553147 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, there are these things called ProcessSpecificVariables. < 1301946536 514326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ew. < 1301946538 602573 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess which process you're in sometimes matters. < 1301946540 80472 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, ew. < 1301946541 15448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put it in an object :P < 1301946553 652765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, to protect some sort of thread state perhaps? If smalltalk has anything such < 1301946553 818088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like thread local variables or whatever. < 1301946559 355991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Again, ew. < 1301946562 400034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with using an object < 1301946567 629035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Foo new doThings] fork < 1301946598 227431 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Nothing I assume. I was just trying to give a suggestion for what might be the reason behind it < 1301946607 409390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ew. < 1301946625 547508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know smalltalk :P < 1301946631 349605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know a few basic things < 1301946633 948763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is all < 1301946652 237111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, the worst thing with the < 1301946653 298146 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301946657 323011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo stack[constant]; < 1301946659 872609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int stack_ptr = -1; < 1301946665 5853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is that you can't have functions that operate on the stack < 1301946672 368463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without passing two params) < 1301946679 231193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : int stack_ptr = -1; <-- aieee! < 1301946679 394961 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to ponder how things are going to send and receive IRC messages. < 1301946682 990726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, needs to be long < 1301946683 672691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? < 1301946685 820784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1301946687 583568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better unsigned long < 1301946698 153774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ssize_t < 1301946700 668177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: surely the bot should do that itself < 1301946707 848845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or size_t < 1301946718 80488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why, it's size-limited < 1301946730 593358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, by how much? < 1301946732 701877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100k < 1301946739 411617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they why not a short? < 1301946739 665859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i believe always fits in an int. < 1301946749 468391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh eff off... and a signed short can't store that < 1301946757 1933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unsigned one < 1301946767 556432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 100k > 65536 < 1301946772 236584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1301946775 565061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -1 is to denote "empty stack" < 1301946784 179675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use int_least32_t or whatever the type is < 1301946785 38344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with 0 = no stack < 1301946786 182160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do < 1301946794 597143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (--n >= 0) ... < 1301946799 919468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aka int < 1301946805 811951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I have worked on system where int was 16-bit < 1301946808 793869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so no < 1301946813 737731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not C90 < 1301946813 930841 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1301946858 27502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is. It was freestanding however. < 1301946868 10919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but please point me to the paragraph that says int must be at least 32 bits < 1301946904 450089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems int has to store at least +-32767 < 1301946910 956088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C89 draft < 1301946916 587972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check c99 < 1301946931 589026 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :— maximum value for an object of type int < 1301946931 753842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :INT_MAX < 1301946931 754021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+32767 // 215 − 1 < 1301946931 754142 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is from C99 < 1301946935 14749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it would change it radically from C90 < 1301946941 475939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well then < 1301946945 346877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :215 - 1? what?) < 1301947017 140272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, long must be at least 32 bits < 1301947017 305811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, int must not < 1301947017 470477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is in 5.2.4.2.1 §1 < 1301947024 93737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm not talking to you until you stop lagging < 1301947029 195341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was 2^15 < 1301947029 447325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there is only one solution < 1301947031 779910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but copy paste < 1301947036 450846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :char ptr[sizeof(STACK_SIZE)]; < 1301947044 936947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and it is you who is lagging from my POV < 1301947050 499327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think freenode is under attack < 1301947053 457417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i dunno if sizeof(234234) works < 1301947055 603839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it does < 1301947057 976667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can take a value < 1301947060 499048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because I have <0.1s lag to server < 1301947060 662698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without an L suffix < 1301947063 958504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might sizeof the overflowed int < 1301947070 769851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: under attack AND YET < 1301947073 276952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody but you is having troubles! < 1301947074 895605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange! < 1301947087 390568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no problems on other irc networks < 1301947098 115038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. clearly freenode's problem just for you. < 1301947101 727036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so kind < 1301947105 400851 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try reconnecting to another server except it would be a PITA < 1301947112 839320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would take whole keystrokes < 1301947117 773781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you looked in larger channels < 1301947125 34996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no it would take minutes to rejoin channels :P < 1301947133 73151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ubuntu looks perfectly fine to me < 1301947138 190881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, atm yes < 1301947141 763988 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are lag spikes < 1301947152 413448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, nobody else in here is whining but that's likely more a result of you being whiny than everyone else not having problems < 1301947160 202254 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301947163 8402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you'll excuse me, I'll go back to whining about C < 1301947166 761230 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1301947166 924450 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301947167 363928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not whining. You are. < 1301947179 65556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode fail, i think freenode is under attack < 1301947182 840252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have no problems with other servers < 1301947184 85573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yadda yadda < 1301947186 956975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stop whining about who's whining < 1301947193 212213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hah < 1301947202 810569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. Because I saw that mentioned in another channel < 1301947207 841239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a former staff. < 1301947214 24465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMER staff! golly gosh! < 1301947218 938212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so authoritative < 1301947225 337158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep. I trust that guy more than current staff. < 1301947227 138125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301947228 626890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway since freenode are incompetent i don't see why they'd get the facts right < 1301947233 874766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably his sources are inside freenode < 1301947248 858460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes quite. < 1301947260 904430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange, you'd expect competence to go UP after lilo [REST OF SENTENCE REDACTED DUE TO EXTREME BAD TASTE] < 1301947284 321796 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1301947285 931525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilo the bootloader? < 1301947287 98340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, netclock looks like fun < 1301947291 444386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... < 1301947300 934393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. definitely. < 1301947303 178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, lilo the founder of freenode < 1301947306 190908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah < 1301947336 868578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the biggest channel i've ever seen was the "say the same RIP that everyone else has already said five times about lilo" channel < 1301947351 605245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they turned on +m every now and then and when it came off about 100 messages a second came in < 1301947354 472373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even exaggerating < 1301947370 266139 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, died in a car accident. The driver did a runaway or whatever the English word is. < 1301947386 460583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically a car/bicycle accident < 1301947392 816034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a car accident to me implies he was in a car < 1301947400 894936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't actually implicate another car at all necessarily < 1301947401 60944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hit-and-run? < 1301947436 798902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes that's it < 1301947458 249477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he was a pedestrian. < 1301947462 522940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um no < 1301947464 213294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was on a bicycle. < 1301947466 945337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1301947470 414812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it bicycle? < 1301947472 815388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1301947473 663698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On September 12, 2006, he was struck by a car while riding a bicycle at night in Houston, Texas in a hit-and-run collision. After the collision, it was reported that he was hospitalized for several days. He died on September 16. < 1301947482 581416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :went into a coma, I believe < 1301947500 789874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1301947562 871556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wonder if anyone's just used C with Templates < 1301947563 860537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from CUDA < 1301947564 633491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1301947619 502536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if for each C++ feature, there was a C-like language which was identical for C except with that feature < 1301947629 36850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of the resulting languages would be used? < 1301947631 193376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most of them < 1301947689 75175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1301947693 138734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Lambdas < 1301947695 297025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Auto < 1301947699 848772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the different auto) < 1301947703 759699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Different Casting Rules < 1301947709 689001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Protected < 1301947717 407618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with More Specific Casts? < 1301947720 863938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1301947721 697577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what you mean? < 1301947724 240256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1301947732 56833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x); /* x won't be casted to (void *) in C++ */ < 1301947734 545284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do it explicitly < 1301947742 164630 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Templates sounds pretty neat < 1301947743 279182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no matter what the signature of f or x is) < 1301947751 520808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Long Compilation Times < 1301947781 322267 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301947787 405465 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with Hindley-Milner type inference and implicit closures. < 1301947792 825029 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :QCC: Now with LCT! < 1301947805 594012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: C++ has that? < 1301947813 889828 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...really? < 1301947818 273667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Thus "?" < 1301947827 166774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has type inference, not H-M though :) < 1301947829 200507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well afaik < 1301947833 165578 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301947833 746954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the lambdas end up mandating it :-D < 1301947845 72512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can't declare a function with auto params < 1301947845 750160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1301947854 905216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, why isn't there a type that can hold any other type in C :-D < 1301947858 770394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it should be void < 1301947865 135215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (void *) can point to anything < 1301947893 876398 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because nobody would know how big it is. < 1301947906 53720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you would, there's a limit because C implementations can't be TC by the standard < 1301947909 278951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1301947913 754597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't be TC in the sense that objects can be infinite < 1301947919 248091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or arbitrarily-sized < 1301947930 878073 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many senses of TC are there? < 1301947946 940474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that hosted C89 is probably TC < 1301947951 312791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still can't have arbitrarily-sized objects < 1301947969 115995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably TC with file IO, etc. < 1301947983 749993 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a recursive struct. That will obviously solve the problem. < 1301947996 139668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome if you could do it :D < 1301948002 304120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct infinite_array { < 1301948004 420374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bit value; < 1301948007 471971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : struct infinite_array rest; < 1301948008 713117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1301948015 967129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can only be fully addressed in unary < 1301948024 185403 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. There are no problems with that. < 1301948034 978657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(array N ->value) accesses the Nth value < 1301948037 106284 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, just use pointer arithmetic. < 1301948038 307314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1301948039 8507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.value < 1301948048 44198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where zero is the null string, and SN is .valueN < 1301948056 108911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: pointers can only be of finite size < 1301948060 7809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that can't address the thing fully < 1301948069 413645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you can't even do &infarray < 1301948073 689457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because pigeonhole principle < 1301948086 138581 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If infinite_array is viable, so are arbitrarily large pointers. :P < 1301948093 695064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh uh < 1301948097 507894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(ptr) has to be finite < 1301948114 210255 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but so does sizeof(infinite_array), no? < 1301948115 227065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because char has to be finitely-sized in hosted implementations because of CHAR_BIT < 1301948119 493587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ...true < 1301948122 903444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAT < 1301948127 485044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof should return a float < 1301948128 312226 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence. < 1301948130 780490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just return +inf < 1301948138 978076 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof should return a cardinal number, so you can just return aleph_0. < 1301948144 404597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1301948144 842897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLOAT < 1301948149 560104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could implement turkey bomb too < 1301948183 95956 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, suppose you have a type like this: struct infinite_tree { bit value; struct infinite_tree left; struct infinite_array right; }; < 1301948196 344144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just returns +inf * 2! < 1301948211 97204 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pointers required to address all of those things will have the order type x where x = 1 + x + x. < 1301948232 339412 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational numbers work perfectly well for that. < 1301948263 274429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1301948271 534289 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tree is at position 1. tree.left and tree.right are at positions 2 and 3. tree.left.left and tree.left.right are at positions 2 1/2 and 2 2/3. < 1301948273 472837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sizeof is in char < 1301948276 640899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should have char value; < 1301948290 301231 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just copying you. You copycat. < 1301948302 550207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur mom < 1301948311 536523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey maybe i should write an irc bot in idst < 1301948345 942744 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think we have the potential to develop a great synergy. We can really leverage this. < 1301948361 989850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What, your mom? < 1301948368 927396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, she can really be leveraged hur hur < 1301948404 883478 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the synergy. We can leverage the synergy to develop solutions. < 1301948457 774247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But can we do the needful? < 1301948486 157264 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think outside the box. Push the envelope. < 1301948509 184633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Go further. < 1301948511 751438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reach out to humans. < 1301948514 272875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be humanistically synergised. < 1301948517 309238 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely, yes. < 1301948526 778954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is even the going on.) < 1301948561 619046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, cola has been modified recently < 1301948564 143629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they added babies) < 1301948583 294581 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With our humanistically collaborative synergy utilized, we can open new windows to... I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I'll talk about something else. < 1301948594 140371 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want to do, I guess, is take this stream of characters and turn it into a stream of lines. < 1301948633 111192 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxidKnDXwd4 < 1301948649 795529 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, nextLine. < 1301948713 477534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I want to do, I guess, is take this stream of characters and turn it into a stream of lines. < 1301948716 379913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's haskell talk :D < 1301948755 661683 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want is nextLine. :P < 1301948762 22709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/idst/object/st80/_object.st:50: WARNING: redefining _sizeof can break object allocation; check _sizeof carefully in all subtypes < 1301948763 253889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancies. < 1301948782 166540 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's scary. < 1301948789 863124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's part of the primitive object code :P < 1301948808 612178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that messages implies that EVERY OBJECT should check _sizeof carefully, though, which is hilarious :P < 1301948825 93584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You see, cola is also a better choice for a nomic because you can even edit the structure of a very object from inside! < 1301948831 207655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOMICS WILL WANT TO DO THAT < 1301948835 394508 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's cola? < 1301948847 630768 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of cola bottle babies, but I don't know that. < 1301948847 793971 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Competition for Plof :P < 1301948848 206428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://piumarta.com/software/cola/ The successor to Smalltalk :P < 1301948854 717063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a very real sense.) < 1301948862 943852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that Alan Kay runs the VPRI, and cola is the VPRI's project. < 1301948868 634365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Competition to @ too, it just isn't at that stage yet :P < 1301948874 195738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Basically it: < 1301948879 470612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: (1) Completely describes itself in itself. < 1301948879 635546 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cola (aka Idst, Jolt, the SODA languages, &c.) is an ongoing project to create a springboard for investigating new computing paradigms." Drat, I should have used "springboard" and "paradigm" up there. < 1301948883 431942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: (2) Is completely implemented in itself. < 1301948891 475534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: (3) Late-binds, and therefore lets you change, EVERYTHING. < 1301948900 324862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including how objects look in memory. < 1301948900 527217 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you think we can leverage our synergy to create springboards for new solution paradigms? < 1301948904 152838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301948917 841774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can I pay you to bring back PerlNomic? < 1301948934 872307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -f CodeGenerator-local.st < 1301948935 213389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp -p CodeGenerator-x86_64.st CodeGenerator-local.st < 1301948935 377705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp: cannot stat `CodeGenerator-x86_64.st': No such file or directory < 1301948938 272834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS ARCHITECTURE DOES NOT FEEL SUPPORTED < 1301948945 365856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you pay me rent for an appropriate VPS, perhaps < 1301948953 171256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, there's no CodeGenerator anything. < 1301948958 724026 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C nomic in the form of a self-compiling C compiler: Best idea? < 1301948958 946305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I already have a VPS X-D < 1301948966 573394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Either that, or worst idea :P < 1301948975 850055 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aren't they the same? < 1301948981 419538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Obviously. < 1301948987 296829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there's only ppc and i386 and arm code generators < 1301948990 375159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION make clean
< 1301949000 966724 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudes, sandboxing is the most important possible codenomic feature. < 1301949012 985259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No, it's the most important possible MOO feature :P < 1301949015 265255 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modification is utterly unimportant compared to sandboxing. < 1301949018 682276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1301949018 938521 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1301949037 633102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's turn Agora into a game of Chess. < 1301949047 653780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This proposal removes proposals." < 1301949051 771470 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Checkmate." "Okay, I... uh..." < 1301949052 550322 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301949057 912743 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, do you know any reason why LXC (lxc.sf.net) plus a non-shitty FUSE unionFS wouldn't be a complete replacement for plash, but more maintainable? < 1301949067 885793 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I call for judgement on the statement 'It is possible to call for judgements.'" "FALSE." "Drat." < 1301949070 275451 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The observation makes me almost want to write a non-shitty FUSE union FS ... < 1301949070 452453 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301949075 626498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lxc depends on cgroups, which I don't like. < 1301949079 455924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think BFS supports. < 1301949086 419042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I like the idea of cunionfs. < 1301949100 570527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So on one hand, I don't want you to switch to that system, but on another, I want cunionfs. < 1301949105 623971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot possibly advise. < 1301949129 458139 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would you happen to know if it's possible to take a stream in Smalltalk and split it into two streams, each producing the same data when read? < 1301949138 985835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why do you want to do that ... < 1301949149 580975 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, the alternative is to carve out the part of plash that depends on glibc and swap it out for a FUSE union FS. < 1301949154 135579 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that if something wants to listen to the stream, you can just hand it a stream. < 1301949158 367558 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's not the way to do this. < 1301949167 685923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That would work, but also sounds fairly pointless :P < 1301949173 601254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But it would give me what I want :P < 1301949184 662684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I would suggest writing it as an actual kernel module for lower latency though >_> < 1301949231 829894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cola totally needs to use a build system written in cola. < 1301949243 359926 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I just got the BEST IDEA. < 1301949255 157249 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The advantages of FUSE are: 1) The only root part is still just a program to do the chroot/setuid, and 2) I don't have to worry about enforcing permissions other than the ones requested :P < 1301949269 907448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What. < 1301949270 540563 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, speed, bleh < 1301949276 974515 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should have a bunch of codenomics in Smalltalk. Each codenomic should periodically pick a random class name, and copy that class out from another codenomic to itself. < 1301949282 196527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, Kitten would kinda want to use a cunionfs / :P < 1301949302 159302 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, SPS wanted a cunionfs /usr :P < 1301949317 873105 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Cola is completely self-describing. Does that mean that from the inside, the system looks as if it's interpreting itself? < 1301949326 687373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And FUSE for that sounds ... un-nice. < 1301949328 329194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Compiling. < 1301949335 22971 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Whew. < 1301949335 210933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And it doesn't just LOOK like it, it IS. < 1301949340 934947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cola's compiler is written in Cola :P < 1301949344 326960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also its object model. < 1301949345 348529 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Microsystems introduced the first implementation of a stacked, layered file system with copy-on-write, whiteouts (hiding files in lower layers from higher layers), etc. as the Translucent File Service in SunOS 3, circa 1986.[4] < 1301949347 418786 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMN IT SUN < 1301949359 482963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there's still a "runtime" in C, but as described in their paper, < 1301949365 350934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the runtime doesn't define or control the object model. < 1301949371 215509 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, so... it's a lot like Smalltalk, isn't it. < 1301949371 378888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://piumarta.com/software/cola/objmodel2.pdf < 1301949382 419926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's like Smalltalk, except not failing at its goals. < 1301949400 680909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Remember, this project is by Alan Kay's company, and I'm assuming you know who he is :P < 1301949401 348409 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens up a typing practice program, and is asked to type "anesthetist house distensions nooned unstated outsets standouts nineteenths . . ."
< 1301949414 637449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk defines a rigid in-memory layout to all its objects. < 1301949416 746463 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this program's estimate of my typing speed is going to be... inaccurate. < 1301949420 471071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cannot be changed at all. < 1301949425 99315 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alan Kay. He's that guy who sounds like LNK. < 1301949432 279196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: He's the guy who invented Smalltalk >_< < 1301949446 656488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And therefore OOP :P) < 1301949513 218854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1301949515 349658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need x86_32 < 1301949518 166819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidest named target ever < 1301949526 525324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there looks to be 64-bit support too but i guess it sucks < 1301949534 70224 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the builtin UnionFS is actually sufficient by now ... < 1301949555 992901 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHWAITNOBLEH the whole issue is that I need to make sure it has /host user/ permissions, not /guest user/ permissions < 1301949572 145413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Also "However, I am no big fan of Smalltalk either, even though it compares very favourably with most programming systems today (I don’t like any of them, and I don’t think any of them are suitable for the real programming problems of today, whether for systems or for end-users)." --Alan Kay :P < 1301949583 975589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cola is basically meant to fix the fact that Smalltalk doesn't late-bind EVERYTHING. < 1301949593 364251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By doing so, it ends up being completely self-reflective and self-implemented. < 1301949597 905221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wat :P < 1301949630 706723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think FreeBSD jails might work for you, btw < 1301949635 292662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (prgmr can do BSD :P) < 1301949636 915850 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, they would. < 1301949642 115444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sayin' < 1301949648 219644 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: prgmr can do NET < 1301949655 63600 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might be Freeable but Idonno. < 1301949657 417812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It can do anything Xen can. < 1301949671 533158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There are sites with loads of howto-do-OS-blah-on-Xen things. < 1301949684 461047 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what I mean is that there exist instructions on how to install NetBSD within an existing Linux without momentarily breaking out of Xen to start an install :P < 1301949703 435549 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Testates"? What does that word mean? < 1301949705 899046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could use the updated depenguinator :P < 1301949723 604002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2008-01-29-depenguinator-2.0.html < 1301949731 113046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't have Xen-specific things :P < 1301949731 720633 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO UPDATED < 1301949753 452088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 2008-01, updated enough for me < 1301949759 425230 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly if I switched to FreeBSD, it would be Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. My experience with the FreeBSD userland has been "OH GOD WHY" < 1301949791 201114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor sees a nasty userland and thinks "hey, GNU would be so much nicer" :-P < 1301949802 304949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's more like < 1301949804 930061 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it is. < 1301949805 131308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD is all "OH GOD WHY" < 1301949810 758764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with GNU it's all "OH GOD WHY STOP BURNING MY CHILDREN" < 1301949813 793847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm an extreme masochist. < 1301949821 623421 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what your silly opinion is, GNU currently has the best console tools that exist. < 1301949836 106841 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My silly opinion :P ) < 1301949836 667245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best COMPLETE SET, maybe. < 1301949852 175559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of tools better than GNU's, they're just not in convenient packages :P < 1301949866 883348 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let me make a more concrete statement: < 1301949878 54726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every non-GNU program sux" < 1301949879 270501 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly every GNU userland tool is better than its FreeBSD equivalent. < 1301949888 895489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? I can't troll that statement. < 1301949889 613571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plz fix. < 1301949905 605947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../libreadline.so when searching for -lreadline < 1301949905 769569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../libreadline.a when searching for -lreadline < 1301949912 225963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1301949931 503188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish distros had competent multiple-architecture support that used qemu. < 1301949943 951396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a sane 32-bit environment would just be s/qemu-x86_64/linux32/ < 1301950024 174314 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Done with lesson 2! You typed 100 words in approximately 10 minutes." < 1301950028 690313 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I r typing master. < 1301950034 680809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow :P < 1301950040 571703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you really that terrible? < 1301950078 883126 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can mount --bind be -o ro? < 1301950097 201954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIAS? < 1301950121 522226 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only with Dvorak. < 1301950132 424482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/gregorsucks]% sudo mount --bind -o ro a b 1 < 1301950132 661887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount: warning: b seems to be mounted read-write. < 1301950136 444465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. < 1301950140 940342 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using ten letters of the alphabet to type words that are, on average, ten letters long. Double that to get my actual typing speed with those ten letters. < 1301950148 685651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/gregorsucks]% echo hello >b/b < 1301950148 850340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/gregorsucks]% cat a/b < 1301950148 850497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1301950150 6836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Doubly no. < 1301950161 818986 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My usual plash setup isn't actually unioning anything :P < 1301950162 713143 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that a word is actually five letters long on average and spaces take no time to type. < 1301950171 455698 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hmmms some more.
< 1301950184 512846 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you have lots of things listening to one stream? < 1301950191 554304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why would you have that? < 1301950202 626192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have the bot read each line, then give it to everyone who's said they want to listen to lines. Possibly in threads. < 1301950225 779838 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301950273 367712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Rule of thumb: Objects should be the only point of access to their members'... "features" :P < 1301950286 278858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, "getting lines from IRC". < 1301950290 881593 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301950292 962971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the object is the bot connection object. < 1301950314 164880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have some ideas for a website but I don't have any skills in the realm of web development. Is there a site I can submit an idea to that will uphold my potential rights and ensure that no one implements my idea without consulting me first?" < 1301950324 628143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought copyright couldn't get any worse. < 1301950334 54616 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, the United States Patent and Trademark Office. < 1301950346 595409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You can't copyright the idea for something, only an implementation. < 1301950346 903123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott trying to say that uncle tswett has accessed his privates? < 1301950350 105580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He readily admits he can't implement it. < 1301950352 696752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. < 1301950363 147520 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really? Don't software companies patent ideas all the time? < 1301950369 636715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Or do you mean "you can do it in practice, just you shouldn't be able to" < 1301950371 520004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, I agree < 1301950379 93360 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301950382 853975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were saying that it was a proper avenue to do it :p < 1301950407 101903 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of overriding #new so that it throws an error, and using a keyword message to create new objects? < 1301950410 335621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I meant that it would be quite depressing for someone else to create a website with the same idea, that's all." ;; I wonder if this guy is trolling < 1301950418 686963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be really sad if someone did this thing that I can't, so it should be made illegal! < 1301950425 177311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wrooooooooong for people to think things that I've thought! < 1301950437 216805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Make #new private instead. < 1301950447 444546 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301950448 457026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OTOH, that may break the common idiom: < 1301950449 315034 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do that. < 1301950454 914163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo := AClass new < 1301950463 288644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: initialisationStuff; < 1301950464 167992 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/// < 1301950465 563681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar: yupyup; < 1301950466 746383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourself. < 1301950467 764749 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/TSfJ LINUX: ONLY THE FINEST IN LOGIC < 1301950476 340471 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Replace something with something; I'm too lazy to tell you what.) < 1301950483 317060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, wow. < 1301950500 625406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why'd you want to do it? < 1301950507 423474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I think it's as simple as actually I have no idea. < 1301950511 367672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you can't have private methods in Smalltalk. < 1301950517 826804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1301950530 626940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But yeah, what does your keyword initialiser do that makes you want to ban plain new? < 1301950559 540215 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, I'd like this object to represent a connection to IRC, and... hm. < 1301950564 799566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: < 1301950570 555161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn := IRCConnection new < 1301950575 947516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : host: 'irc.freenode.net'; < 1301950581 189996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : port: 666; < 1301950583 388073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yourself. < 1301950584 689098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn connect. < 1301950584 895217 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301950585 624883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1301950601 763532 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that better than connectTo:host:port:et:cetera:? < 1301950610 112506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, no. < 1301950613 796595 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301950615 647881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you shouldn't be able to set them afterwards. < 1301950622 123889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OTOH, make it < 1301950622 288731 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HALP, I'm starting to become convinced that bind mounts + chroot/setuid are all I need X-D < 1301950625 753654 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how I'm currently doing things is perfect. Excellent. < 1301950626 516282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :connectTo: < 1301950627 686493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :connectTo:onPort: < 1301950643 49189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With connectTo: using the reasonable default. < 1301950646 383872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(194, obviously!) < 1301950649 680083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 6667 :P) < 1301950663 260667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Just nicer naming IMO < 1301950668 3397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn := IRCConnection new. < 1301950674 165267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn connectTo: 'irc.freenode.net' onPort: secret. < 1301950678 955644 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :withPort:withNick:withChannel: < 1301950679 863018 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301950691 670206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ewwww. < 1301950698 187152 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connectTo:withThePortConnectedToBeingThePortNumbered: < 1301950704 798121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn := IRCConnection new. < 1301950709 1328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn nickname: 'MyBot'. < 1301950710 590170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn connectTo: 'irc.freenode.net' onPort: secret. < 1301950717 273989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickname: should automatically decide whether it's connected or not :P < 1301950722 256053 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a nickname: message. I definitely need that. < 1301950725 764445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And send a NICK message if it is. < 1301950730 485439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, connectTo:onPort: will send it. < 1301950735 413867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus avoiding TEH UGLY. < 1301950739 676539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And of course join: and part: < 1301950744 590016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1301950748 66190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conn := IRCConnection new < 1301950751 357578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : nickname: 'MyBot'; < 1301950759 157196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : connectTo: 'irc.freenode.net' onPort: secret; < 1301950763 99176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : join: '#esoteric'; < 1301950764 393643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yourself. < 1301950778 422823 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950780 355149 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950780 519001 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950782 557807 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950782 722413 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950787 56728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950787 536152 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950793 946526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950796 899081 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950797 379783 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950805 511325 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950808 392394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301950814 775643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also connectTo should probably return immediately, rather than waiting for the network to reply or whatever. < 1301950870 670376 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't wait for any replies, I think. So we're good. < 1301950919 570559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using Squeak or Pharo or what? < 1301950945 875981 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40346 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40544 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40617 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40690 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40764 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40838 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 40983 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950946 41055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1301950971 433521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are you using Squeak or Pharo or what? < 1301951058 880558 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1301951065 25779 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, one of the former two. < 1301951069 917757 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, Pharo. < 1301951101 185477 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should join: do when we're not connected? Throw an error? < 1301951107 786027 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add it to the list of channels we should be in? < 1301951174 454065 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301951457 829567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The latter :P < 1301951486 296284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And part: should remove it... technically I think basically everything should work before you connect, including PRIVMSG. < 1301951493 474308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could say what you want to happen immediately after connect, then tell it to actually connect. < 1301951514 534867 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301951608 2824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, you can't pass a structure to a varargs function, can you? < 1301951615 575348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you, if you also pass its size? < 1301951637 223348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in va_arg, you have to specify what type the arg is < 1301951650 514019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but let's assume that you specify the right type < 1301951650 679096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could calculate the size from that < 1301951652 294590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by magic < 1301951661 922726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but e.g. you can't pass a float to a variadic function < 1301951664 521453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it gets upconverted to double < 1301951674 776165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think floats get upconverted to anything < 1301951686 282006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, yes, they do, for varargs < 1301951697 201448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/varargs/float.html < 1301951703 205940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: In the variable-length part of variable-length argument lists, the old ``default argument promotions'' apply: arguments of type float are always promoted (widened) to type double, and types char and short int are promoted to int. Therefore, it is never correct to invoke va_arg(argp, float); instead you should always use va_arg(argp, double). Similarly, use va_arg(argp, int) to retrieve arguments which were originally char, short, or int. (For an < 1301951703 434443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :us reasons, the last ``fixed'' argument, as handed to va_start, should not be widenable, either.) See also questions 11.3 and 15.2. < 1301951707 767300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*structs get upconverted < 1301951713 559032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know floats get upconverted, just typoed that they didn't < 1301951716 810129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1301951727 89179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad typo < 1301951732 401705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I thnk you can write a generic stack_push, but only in C99 < 1301951749 52068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can't say < 1301951753 794207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :va_arg(ap, char[8]) < 1301951757 653784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even if you can, it might be illegal to say < 1301951761 155022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :va_arg(ap, char[obj_size]) < 1301951839 679038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void stack_push_(void *stack, ssize_t *ptr, size_t obj_size, ...) < 1301951839 883546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1301951839 883742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : va_list ap; < 1301951839 883853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : char *data; < 1301951839 883959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : va_start(ap, obj_size); < 1301951840 698099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : data = va_arg(ap, char[obj_size]); < 1301951842 677913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (*ptr)++; < 1301951844 677232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : memcpy(stack + ptr, data, obj_size); < 1301951846 868572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : va_end(ap); < 1301951848 749278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1301951850 674565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: behold the probably-invalid Cthulian horror < 1301951909 498538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1301951911 902296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is char foo[a->b] valid? < 1301951912 744114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C99 < 1301951916 500944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor knows these things! < 1301951928 932622 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301952039 266532 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a valid VLA in general. < 1301952104 796674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, darn, I think this will fail if a pointer to an element is smaller than (void *) < 1301952155 170880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need a typeof too! oh woe! < 1301952156 906682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is impossible < 1301952181 7489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i could re-evaluate stack < 1301952216 348126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait, stack_push could just be a macro in general... < 1301952282 407706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hRjV ;; an exercise in pointless < 1301952336 747959 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case you can only portably call va_arg when the specified type is compatible with the actual type of the corresponding provided argument (after the default argument promotions); and "compatible type" is a rather strict requirement. < 1301952340 512170 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-135.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1301952341 453245 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that in Smalltalk, you can save the world. < 1301952400 608924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unfortunately types aren't values you can pass around :P < 1301952412 621251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C should be Lisp, dammit. < 1301952458 783193 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Smalltalk have a nice way to denote a throwaway argument, like Haskell? < 1301952478 585648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You shouldn't have them. Why do you have them? < 1301952486 782195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise I'm being annoyingly X-Y-problem here.) < 1301952500 673674 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the type in va_arg needs to be named such that simply postfixing a * makes a pointer to that type, and "char[obj_size]*" doesn't seem to be anything sensible. < 1301952515 315693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WELL YOU MAKE IT WORK THEN :P < 1301952551 828477 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because ifNotNilDo: takes a block that accepts one argument. < 1301952552 948469 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling making it work completely portably is just not possible. (You need not have a general sort of stack to have a C, after all.) < 1301952563 318376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Does [foo] not work as a block? < 1301952573 668042 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't work as a block that accepts one argument. < 1301952577 30064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Also, it seems ifNotNilDo was removed from Pharo. < 1301952590 895501 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strange, because I'm using it. < 1301952593 445673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pharo it’s been fixed long ago, and today somebody removed all sends of ifNotNilDo:, so the era of one of my “major small Squeak annoyances” finally completely ends today and ifNotNilDo: is history, at least in Pharo. < 1301952595 313312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: use ifNotNil. < 1301952602 807477 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1301952605 232181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anObject ifNotNil: [:obj | obj doThing]. < 1301952608 515339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Don't throw away the argument. < 1301952617 699989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you're meant to use the parameter. < 1301952623 507882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But them's the breaks. < 1301952624 897942 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though obj is always the same as anObject? < 1301952631 837498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Err, it's not about the C stack. < 1301952641 52702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: maybe it's not guaranteed to be! Who knows. < 1301952642 710965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*M < 1301952645 412466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*Maybe) < 1301952723 202167 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I see (now); but still, you could for example have an argument-passing system where floats and ints go to different stacks, and then va_arg'ing them without knowing the type's not going to be very easy. < 1301952751 37088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True. < 1301952752 285378 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're okay with only pushing objects you can take & of, you could have your macro provide sizes and pointers-to, but then you couldn't push literals. < 1301952766 36043 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though was it possible to take & of a compound literal? < 1301952800 871567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could somehow auto-declare a temp variable to use, you could & that. :p < 1301952871 398367 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drawline(&(struct point){.x=1, .y=1}, &(struct point){.x=3, .y=4});" is listed as an example call when drawline expects a pointer to struct point. < 1301952896 128354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1301952908 967182 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe your macro could wrap "x" to &(struct { typeof(x) field; }){ .field = x }. < 1301952915 643544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still needs typeof.) < 1301952953 294300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not if the declarer thing included a dummy < 1301952958 602671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct dummy { type field; }; < 1301952964 834123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1301952973 120825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then malloced it to avoid the inevitable initialisation. < 1301953044 37122 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some sort of a rule that offsetof of the first struct member must be 0, so you should be able to then take that pointer and read sizeof(x) bytes out of it. (Though you need to cast it to a known pointer type before passing, either a void * or a char *.) < 1301953069 287806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, they're maintaining the squeak os again < 1301953105 288219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The main thing was to avoid reevaluating the arguments. "So yeah." < 1301953122 755378 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is initialize supposed to call super initialize? < 1301953127 795435 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it probably is. < 1301953151 180000 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, maybe not. < 1301953213 621400 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: halp < 1301953218 243228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wat < 1301953238 829390 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should the initialize message I define call super initialize? < 1301953255 22375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Look at some subclass' initialize message, see if it does :P < 1301953258 23757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so but don't recall. < 1301953443 543399 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, I do super initialize. < 1301953494 58919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM supernitialises. < 1301953505 853793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like SuperLAMEISES!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!\ < 1301953531 244755 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301953567 749331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'M SO LAME < 1301953574 813323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is it not joining here any more? < 1301953625 317644 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301953625 605286 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't run it yet. :P < 1301953704 940081 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs it.
< 1301953718 840502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Dudes, you totally need to make it so you can MODIFY IT WHILE IT RUNS < 1301953736 906785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you still making it hang or are you "[bot connect] fork"ing :P < 1301953743 489222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connectTo: ... < 1301953746 711610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cracked.com/blog/exploring-the-mysteries-of-the-mind-with-the-sims-3/ < 1301953759 407819 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm still making it hang. < 1301953773 615621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Make the bot die and do that instead :P < 1301953790 442571 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, make the bot die? I haven't run it yet. < 1301953981 571383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1301954291 60739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1301954770 175826 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301954772 147895 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1301954902 349637 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301954948 278305 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301955196 142043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301957924 409650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301958148 197824 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION arrives.
< 1301960174 746429 :cheater00!~cheater@g224203171.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1301960293 522390 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1301960352 458942 :cheater99!~cheater@85.181.136.245 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1301960448 364098 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-210.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1301960448 852835 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-210.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1301960449 15738 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1301960675 227918 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301960909 139688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, this isn't a MUD < 1301960958 990444 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what isn't? < 1301960968 764293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1301960971 846888 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301960976 632313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hmm < 1301960994 522128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a dungeon. Although I think myndzi would disagree \m/ \m/ < 1301960995 56659 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                          `\o/´ < 1301960995 241585 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                            | < 1301960995 447623 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                           /´\ < 1301960995 610803 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                         (_| |_) < 1301961178 464270 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, myndzi. < 1301961183 650957 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961189 898019 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1301961202 38501 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961208 980297 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no? < 1301961214 558339 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961218 998792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961222 817347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961226 525442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961228 914917 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1301961230 665985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961233 469036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961240 827364 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1301961244 39206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961251 312412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1301961260 938778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301961262 664479 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe myndzi's \o/ limit is two \o/ s or something. < 1301961263 600486 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                      |                | < 1301961263 784300 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     /|               /| < 1301961299 702610 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or \o/ maybe \o/ they \o/ just \o/ have \o/ to \o/ be \o/ well-separated. < 1301961300 605982 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |         |        |        |        |      ¦      | < 1301961300 830287 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /|        /´\      /`\      /`\      /´\    ´¸¨    /| < 1301961313 420181 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that sixth one? < 1301961510 334050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wants to make a four-dimensional maze in LambdaMOO
< 1301961693 779430 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But every graph is representable in three dimensions. < 1301961695 262933 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs.
< 1301961701 583232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1301962050 161469 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that you could have two instances of \m/ \m/ on one line... but you do need to leave some space before the first \m/ \m/ < 1301962062 323512 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, no go. :/ < 1301962132 37832 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301962133 194025 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `\o/´    `\o/´ < 1301962133 380974 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |        | < 1301962133 545010 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /'¯|_)   /'\ < 1301962133 709430 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_|      (_| |_) < 1301962145 171891 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1301962262 236103 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< tswett> What's that sixth one? < 1301962269 181115 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood spatter lol < 1301962309 566352 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limits are fairly straightforward < 1301962333 943751 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't accept lines that would make it output lines long enough that it increases my throttling score significantly < 1301962342 454122 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't draw guys that would run into each other (or my name) < 1301962348 260149 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a bit of a rate limit < 1301962389 910380 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1301962398 644472 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4d maze sounds interesting < 1301962403 644936 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log-grepping seems to show some rather long ones. < 1301962403 807949 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ < 1301962404 876025 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `\o/´    `\o/´    `\o/´ < 1301962405 69950 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |        |        | < 1301962405 234099 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_|¯`¯|_)   /'\   (_|¯`\ < 1301962405 234258 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :          (_| |_)      |_) < 1301962410 19920 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1301962414 121496 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, i can break the rules < 1301962415 24090 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1301962440 410971 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: maze; would you have it something like, every movement moves you through the 4th dimension < 1301962444 124596 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could move at will? < 1301962474 303478 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh yeah, also the rocker dude needs +1 character on either side) < 1301962479 290326 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the feet) < 1301962513 273823 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i learned that angband took influences from the Amber series < 1301962530 886580 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i was thinking about ways to make a game like that able to implement walking in shadow < 1301962549 199144 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of seeded randomization based on a coordinate system was what i wound up with < 1301962559 784602 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you could like, hold a meta-key while moving < 1301962564 590943 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would also move you on the coordinate system < 1301962580 925513 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how you'd generate subtle changes in the environment with significant randomizer changes though < 1301962631 882299 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea would be to have randomly generated anchor points, solid points in the continuum that you would move towards or away from, or go by closely etc. < 1301962653 4048 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the inbetweens would be generated somehow by a combination of parameters of the nearby anchor points < 1301962662 827097 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that'd be more interesting than a 4d maze anyway ;) < 1301962679 802819 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301962845 603644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1301962857 944534 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1301962860 901730 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read the Amber series? < 1301962902 21252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1301962907 382868 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why then < 1301962922 880083 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fantasy series < 1301962935 379499 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it utilizes the "many worlds" idea < 1301962952 549422 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there are infinite parallel existences you know? < 1301962962 8285 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in this setting, there is one "true" world, Amber < 1301962962 200400 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a game in fractal dimensions? < 1301962973 261918 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the other worlds are somehow lesser; shadows of Amber, if you will < 1301962984 702979 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extending outwards towards chaos < 1301963006 626875 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the princes of amber have the ability to "walk in shadow" (i think that's how they phrased it?) < 1301963016 182825 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is essentially moving away from the true reality through all the many variants < 1301963030 50712 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves physical movement and some sort of internal concentration < 1301963054 118963 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowledge of where you are going; you basically hold in your mind the details and as you travel the world around you adjusts to more closely match those details < 1301963059 242150 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were 2 true realities... order and chaos (one was Amber, the other had some name I forgot) < 1301963062 848721 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly arriving at your destination means you have to know to perfection all the details < 1301963065 949361 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's how they called it; though the Chaos side is considered as "true" as the Amber side, with the shadows in-between, IIRC. < 1301963071 997698 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, i guess chaos is also a true reality < 1301963078 748913 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1301963091 600767 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is to describe what i was getting at in terms of roguelikes ;) < 1301963115 618936 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the ability to navigate intentionally through "infinite" variants with various notable characteristics < 1301963137 999367 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some fashion that is both programmable and not so obscenely obtuse that you couldn't play it as a game < 1301963145 640502 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while trying to stay somewhat true to the source < 1301963169 428944 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shares some traits with the 4d maze idea, which is what brought it back to mind < 1301963213 50238 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also brings to mind certain mechanical mazelike puzzles i've toyed with where certain transitions can be blocked by physical obstacles from your current state < 1301963235 903303 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't know how it would fall out with random generation, but you could, say, generate shadows that are hard to arrive at because the things surrounding the path you would take to get there are physically obstructed < 1301963454 17405 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid does something a (tiny) bit like that w.r.t. time in some of the worlds, at least that one where the X coordinate on-screen is mapped directly to the time coordinate. < 1301963474 746916 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i keep forgetting to play Braid < 1301963481 52318 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do much gaming, but that one interested me < 1301963490 761715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explain to me the following python code: < 1301963492 29912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d, v = 0, [1.] + [0.] * 365 < 1301963492 194578 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :while v[365] < 0.5: d, v = d+1, [(a*j+b*(366-j))/365. for j,(a,b) in enumerate(zip(v,[0]+v[:-1]))] < 1301963495 55960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1301963556 330120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, tell me whether it should correctly calculate the expected number of balls you'd have to toss into 365 bins before you get one ball in each with prob. 1/2 < 1301963742 671198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My 4d maze is a bit banal < 1301963780 579080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what list does that enumerate thing make? < 1301964280 545666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumerate(["a", "b", "c"]) is [(0, "a"), (1, "b"), (2, "c")] iirc < 1301964490 632133 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1301964624 764673 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "for j,(a,b) in enumerate(zip(v,[0]+v[:-1]))" bit will in general have j, a=v[j], b=v[j-1] for j in 0..365, except that for j=0 case b=0. < 1301964655 209927 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles.
< 1301964722 929294 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was anticlimactic. < 1301964750 795583 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries again.
< 1301964857 893507 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries again again.
< 1301964871 963735 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what does v contain? < 1301964953 273165 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, won the Halstead award, just in time to not be able to use it for libc.so :P < 1301964969 203544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be bothered to figure out, but perhaps it's maintaining at v[i] the probability that at least i bins have balls in them. That would at least match the initial state and the termination condition. < 1301964974 887625 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Halstead award? < 1301965040 928056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i can't even see where it is changing the value of v < 1301965101 892314 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: d, v = d+1, is the body of the loop. < 1301965125 871821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's two assignments using the same = < 1301965141 374830 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :had no idea python could be so hard to read < 1301965142 460694 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; that's also done in the initialization. < 1301965176 312893 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sets d = 0, v = [1, 0, 0, ...] where there are 365 zeros. < 1301965184 317848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is used to languages where every = identifies a single assignment
< 1301965207 120959 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages without multiple assignment are annoying. < 1301965236 340402 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x, y = y, x; is a better way to swap two variables than tmp = x; x = y; y = tmp;. < 1301965237 910988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i meant was < 1301965246 900487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a single assignment value" < 1301965259 399771 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so x,y,z=5 sets everything to 5 < 1301965290 832447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halstead award? < 1301965304 49203 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Thora W. Halstead Young Investigator's Award -- to honor a young scientist who exemplifies Thora’s drive and enthusiasm for science, and who has made significant contributions to the field of space biology." I didn't know you were a space biologist! < 1301965322 794535 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong Halstead award X_X < 1301965450 577774 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must be talking about Halstead Property, LLC, a real estate company. < 1301965480 251014 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The E. Bayard Halsted Scholarship In Science, History and Journalism"? < 1301965490 422440 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. They awarded me ¾ of Somalia. < 1301965565 910514 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301965572 835584 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION celebrates.
< 1301965658 779397 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, my GUI's unfrozen. How is this? < 1301965677 557509 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301965702 154948 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I missed my chance to do "I didn't know you were a jewelry artist" ("Through a generous gift from Halstead Bead Inc., scholarships are available for jewelry artists who want to receive business training in the Visiting Artist Program of the Buyers Market of American Craft.") due to stupid relevance-ordered search results. < 1301965742 76033 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my GUI's frozen again. < 1301965759 737980 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it will unfreeze the moment tswettbot pings out. < 1301965769 240950 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ought to be... soonish. < 1301965780 450815 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's talk about fun things in the interim! < 1301965793 185759 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like gelatinous spheres filled with liquid. < 1301965822 929379 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301965834 160038 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I still don't have my GUI. < 1301965855 85692 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301966018 261054 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs the current version of his bot, and takes a guess at what's happening.
< 1301966075 156562 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. The bot connects to freenode. 2. The bot sends all its messages to freenode. 3. The expression finishes running. 4. The bot is garbage collected. 5. The finalizer for SocketStream closes the connection. 6. freenode goes, "what the hell did you do that for?". < 1301966297 285956 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1301966369 223286 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi copumpkin. < 1301966377 666355 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301966377 829540 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301966378 221193 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1301966387 806503 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, tswettbot can send messages now. < 1301966401 474171 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can dismiss it at any time simply by saying, "I dismiss you, tswettbot". < 1301966402 95106 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1301966404 152315 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301966404 939138 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe. < 1301966460 51368 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301966477 686369 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what happens if I put that in the topic. < 1301966483 710876 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1301966502 702948 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for freenode's annoying thingy to time out.
< 1301966507 545523 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301966507 708865 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301966507 873436 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1301966519 876782 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as expected. < 1301966526 881321 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not sure what I expected. < 1301966531 778015 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301966543 478424 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can ban tswettbot from the channel by putting that in the topic. :P < 1301966743 997444 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | tswettbot: join #python! < 1301966754 95571 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I am hoping for too much, there < 1301966908 965796 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1301967084 729748 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1301967098 631576 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot knows that the people in #python probably wouldn't be happy to see it. < 1301967112 911800 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, in Smalltalk, I'm still not clear on the difference between using a caret and not using a caret. < 1301967118 550746 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what's it wri... < 1301967129 443789 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: shall I assume it's written in Smalltalk? < 1301967158 511251 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly *like* for that to be true. < 1301967174 685626 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk, yes. < 1301967180 614802 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1301967215 234956 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like there's no difference in a block, since a block always returns whatever its last statement returns, but in a method, using a caret makes it return the last statement's return value, and not using a caret makes it return self. < 1301967298 501415 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1301967626 914067 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301967871 617600 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301967871 780998 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301967934 794208 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301967956 445388 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301967956 609194 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301967982 463316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, are you using Pharo or Squeak or something else? < 1301968007 41992 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301968042 560555 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1301968045 982052 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301968059 32274 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pharo. < 1301968062 679946 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take a 12 hour nap and suddenly you people have talked here for lines and lines < 1301968064 913922 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what < 1301968066 570021 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301968066 734846 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301968068 624848 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna read any of it < 1301968070 842161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1301968095 584916 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how bad my off-by-one errors are. < 1301968101 12188 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say something. < 1301968108 31849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you said anything worth hearing during those hours, please resay it < 1301968111 274657 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I think I forgot to make it a PRIVMSG. :P < 1301968119 256512 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1301968124 836924 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1301968140 581294 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it crashed. < 1301968145 604845 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to write a bot? < 1301968163 597293 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1301968167 857585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it hard < 1301968184 869245 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It crashed, causing a debugger to open. Whenever a debugger is opened, it crashes, causing another debugger to open. < 1301968195 789891 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is that there are now dozens of debuggers open. < 1301968203 829295 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I save the image before running the bot. < 1301968225 49069 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301968251 737416 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Pharo: ???. Love, tswett. < 1301968276 640032 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301968276 802980 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301968288 543816 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. It hasn't crashed yet. That's good. < 1301968295 260286 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, still no crashing. < 1301968312 315243 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it will crash when I say "hey tswettbot, say ". < 1301968321 104727 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: got tired of category theory, eh? : < 1301968322 14878 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1301968457 778285 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to study more than one topic. :) < 1301968481 13691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you go to run the bot, what exactly are you doing? Running code in a workspace? < 1301968545 341337 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301968647 753285 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i bet i draw my commuting diagrams with much prettier lines than you < 1301968723 717945 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah. < 1301968729 855352 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301968752 580365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're better off writing bots u'll never learn to draw them quite as neatly as me < 1301968756 179289 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be something horribly wrong with this code: < 1301968757 731189 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[ < 1301968757 895850 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : |line| < 1301968757 895936 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : line := stream nextLine. < 1301968757 895980 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : line isEmpty ifTrue: [false] ifFalse: [msgHandlers do: [:handler | handler bot: self heard: line]. true]. < 1301968761 179446 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ] whileTrue] fork. < 1301968763 678976 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yep, tabs.) < 1301968773 37238 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And this is #esoteric. We paste five lines here.) < 1301968778 614258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968778 824805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968779 44852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968779 224932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968779 409317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968779 625551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968779 847085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968780 10824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968780 218720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968780 915609 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1301968782 863860 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1301968786 562601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does |line| do? < 1301968795 396471 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It declares a local variable called line. < 1301968801 317979 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1301968803 19599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1301968815 156451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: are you local or global? < 1301968823 847923 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I know. It will be all right. < 1301968826 860883 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: global < 1301968828 739091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whore < 1301968836 384296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU time < 1301968869 373234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you guys are bad for the environment < 1301968869 680587 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set x to the current continuation. < 1301968872 367299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear < 1301968883 396131 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call x. < 1301968886 841585 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not really. I'm only *considered* harmful < 1301968920 89567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1301968999 381137 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you just did wulf < 1301969008 719986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*didn't keep wulf's secrets one time too many < 1301969017 256805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to check who wrote that) < 1301969049 539200 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301969049 703514 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1301969067 953174 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: what? Where did you come from? < 1301969071 232841 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You errored out, remember? < 1301969079 678595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! I'm sending a message! < 1301969087 499195 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you respond to things? < 1301969099 581558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure do! < 1301969102 526446 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say something and crash. < 1301969111 65292 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1301969112 964521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I am sending a message." it's like it's alive < 1301969121 382820 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eerie < 1301969123 940284 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, he's not handling messages. I guess he's going to stay here forever. < 1301969136 501878 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why hasn't he been garbage collected? Maybe this debugger is keeping him alive. < 1301969143 996570 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1301969161 554993 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... maybe there's a local variable containing him? < 1301969186 372611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe variable wanted to revenge you summoning him < 1301969189 923541 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fo < 1301969192 529278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1301969197 376309 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301969198 95498 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301969254 671931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: thanks < 1301969845 87672 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301969937 929730 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301969947 322792 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: hi < 1301969948 111661 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301969955 440792 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock < 1301970030 676793 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301970036 296801 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: hi again < 1301970037 133129 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1301970043 620848 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help < 1301970044 613557 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1301970069 818909 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it still works. after i took out all that stuff i put in to try to get it to persist its state. < 1301970082 59315 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I grab lua code off a wiki, I tell you < 1301970177 768566 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|save < 1301970178 624070 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: State saved. < 1301970181 944336 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: YOU LIE < 1301970182 907249 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1301970192 815169 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1301970742 72689 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1301971116 820739 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301971127 616269 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: welcome to #esoteric < 1301971132 397762 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1301971156 555189 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: 90% of the time the topic has nothing to do with programming < 1301971158 150831 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would think in this channel whitespace seems quite ordinary :D < 1301971162 105155 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1301971165 648151 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 90% of the time the topic is interesting < 1301971173 201038 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: yeap < 1301971184 187251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: it's the same sort of thing as everything else < 1301971192 327344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was making a joke about silence i think < 1301971205 396090 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1301971207 91071 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no - the language < 1301971211 193627 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301971213 83105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no - the silence < 1301971217 93640 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301971217 637031 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1301971231 246357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newspeak got me temporarily interested in programming again < 1301971240 768595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still not all that mature < 1301971248 901200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should take up Smalltalk again < 1301971255 491342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on a programming course so i might actually have to program a bit soonish :\ < 1301971284 912572 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like lolcode :) < 1301971305 465802 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't see any working serious implementation of it :) < 1301971310 569483 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe lolpython < 1301971316 911419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek, might want to put on some asbestos clothes < 1301971343 174454 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1301971415 81866 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs of this channel are public? < 1301971416 210746 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: there are many < 1301971424 606225 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: yeah < 1301971427 599993 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1301971440 502957 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: I know, it put me off at the start too < 1301971441 860497 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't like to be googlable :) < 1301971448 841635 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: ditto - hence the nick < 1301971504 250910 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: http://lolcode.com/ < 1301971514 903065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's currently a picture of me online :| < 1301971534 358826 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't tell you where before i ask them to remove it though < 1301971547 753030 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes, there are few things and they were touched several years ago < 1301971552 625788 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301971570 946453 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well however < 1301971574 890818 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired ppl < 1301971577 275626 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so gn :) < 1301971601 213308 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight Tachycek < 1301971605 844317 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :add this channel to autojoin though < 1301971622 986777 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i figure out what to do with the nick i will :) < 1301971659 647666 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mabye the mask < 1301971675 298136 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont like link ip->nick either :) < 1301971677 164621 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway gn < 1301972034 239308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1301972082 610424 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.utu.fi/henkilokunta/?userID=810 me and my giant hand < 1301972168 799959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklo "Bighand" Pol < 1301972196 202989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my full name is oklopol ominovorol < 1301972203 123532 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that < 1301972244 782904 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1301973042 675577 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301973505 255319 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301973697 964600 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what they say about guys with big hands. < 1301973762 539606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they even masturbate with just fat chicks < 1301973931 772252 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gilman naming for pieces in chess variants includes all sorts of prefixes, suffixes, modified names, and possibly some pieces can have multiple names with same piece < 1301973967 553762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a forest nearby, there is this tree that is kinda crooked < 1301974000 556615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Are tensors just n-dimensional matrices? < 1301974005 275175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at Wikipedia) < 1301974029 700367 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-152-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1301974049 487400 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what a "tensor" is, unless it's a vector in a tensor product < 1301974059 517984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think so < 1301974099 694442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Something like that. Tensors have two kinds of dimension, too, one which acts like rows in a matrix and one which acts like columns in a matrix, I think. < 1301974182 319583 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find use of diagrammatic tensor notation can be useful with computing tensors, too. < 1301974185 134458 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah it's what i think it is < 1301974205 710697 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a space of tensors is just another vector space, the point is there are two vector spaces whose tensor product it is. < 1301974220 890480 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just look at the tensor space alone, it's just another vector space < 1301974244 58844 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying "what, tensors are just vectors??" is like saying "what, the product of two numbers is just another number?" < 1301974281 195597 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the product of two numbers can also be the same number as one or both of them < 1301974293 103011 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: same for the tensor product < 1301974301 83112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like direct product, the tensor product is a way to construct another vector space from two spaces < 1301974314 109060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! I know a thing about the tensor product now < 1301974329 587393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the result can be isomorphic to one of the components < 1301974360 586697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This went over my head as soon as you said space, I think. Or maybe product < 1301974370 651619 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't know vector spaces? < 1301974383 120933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know vectors < 1301974419 399439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector spaces are just an axiomatization of your usual vectors in R^n < 1301974483 380549 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a field (field = axiomatization of R...) of scalars, and you have a group on which they act from the left in certain natural ways < 1301974503 71409 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow you can do tensor products without the axioms < 1301974513 658343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In tensor diagrams, components laid out horizontally are multiplied using tensor product and vertical ones using matrix product, according to which lines touch each other. Sometimes instead of diagram you use inline math such as $X^a_{bc}Y^{cb}_d$ < 1301974544 284970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly not even paying attention right now < 1301974555 727660 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why? < 1301974577 938893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is way over my head for casual glances, and I can't do more than casual glances right now < 1301974615 298515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is if you have an n-dimensional space with basis e_1, ..., e_n and an m-dimensional space with basis f_1, ..., f_m, then you get another mn-dimensional space with vectors (e_1, f_1), (e_1, f_2), ..., (e_1, f_m), (e_2, f_1), ..., (e_n, f_m), which you can think of as the vector space of m x n matrices < 1301974673 459245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no problem, i'm not trying to teach you right now < 1301974674 56110 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1301974693 980395 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying stuff because it's fun < 1301974721 67667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what zzo38 is saying though < 1301974736 683623 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"components laid out horizontally are multiplied using tensor product" < 1301974747 191062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But I am saying too, and so are you are also correct too < 1301974758 248037 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I mean in a tensor diagram. < 1301974764 999600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed < 1301974768 721849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what those are, sry < 1301974773 242134 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes tensor multiplications are written using diagrams) < 1301974960 271650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let U and V be vector spaces, then the tensor product of U and V is a vector space W and an associated bilinear function * : UxV -> W such that if e_1, ..., e_n is a basis of U and f_1, ..., f_m is a basis of V, then (e_i*f_j) is a basis of W < 1301974983 139227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be proven that such (W, *) always exists, and is unique up to isomorphism (that part is obvious) < 1301975135 730989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to get the following universal property: if f is a bilinear function from UxV to some space X, then there exists unique g : W -> X such that f(u, v) = g(u*v) for all u \in U, v \in V, where W is the tensor product of U and V, and * is the bilinear map from UxV to W < 1301975163 983709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all bilinear maps can be "routed" via the tensor product < 1301975236 908092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like all maps f linear in the sense f(au, av) = af(u, v), f(u + u', v + v') = f(u, v) + f(u', v') can be routed through the *direct* product of U and V < 1301975250 109426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where again f : UxV -> X for some space X) < 1301975360 570681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just know about the representation theoretical implications of the tensor product, presumably it's also useful in physics and shit < 1301975722 951806 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tensor diagram page is way over my head < 1301975757 604201 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is useful in physics < 1301975789 185521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1301975802 248554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics is 3d :\ < 1301975868 266763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is addition and multiplication and vectors with three components < 1301975879 12051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes, SOMETIMES, a small group. < 1301975886 587342 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably even use tensor diagrams for representing quantum computations. And even the classical electronic circuit with the latch of NAND gates, I converted it to a tensor diagram and then computed its value, I did get the expected result. < 1301975893 210965 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Router failed. < 1301975944 118076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THAT WAS KIND OF RUDE < 1301976049 445651 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1301976058 112206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1301976090 855578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "wb"? < 1301976125 524451 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome bro < 1301976141 801523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the log file, the glogbot logs does not have the quit message, it seems? < 1301976152 259822 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, dunno < 1301976193 235310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to do "matrix multiplication horizontally" < 1301976200 808342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm vertically < 1301976204 138833 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case < 1301976240 345977 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when you have two things next to each other, and draw a line from left to right, then the one on the left is tensor multiplied with the right one? < 1301976293 346453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and somehow it doesn't matter what bases we use in each phase as long as we always use the same ones?) < 1301976320 807338 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, like that. < 1301976369 656154 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When there are lines on a shape above and below, the lines above are called "arms" and the ones below called "legs"; the way in which the lines cross or connect to the arms/legs of other shapes indicates which order the components are multiplied. < 1301976435 364984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay. < 1301976543 211128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When horizontal, generally there are no lines drawn horizontally, because for example, you have two shapes with lines down and then one shape with two lines up connected to both those, one way to "split the diagram" is to split it at one point and then the ones above the splitting point are tensor multiplied and then that total is matrix multiplied by the one below. The number of remaining unconnected arms/legs is zero, which means the result i < 1301976586 919983 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is understandable good? < 1301976607 36773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which means the result i" < 1301976627 271257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I wrote it wrong. Here I write it correct: Is it understandable with good? < 1301976641 471436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s now a scalar number. < 1301976645 367511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unconnected arms/legs is zero, which means the result i" then it got cut < 1301976657 565748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it really continue ", which means the result is understandable good?" < 1301976676 140219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1301976678 445358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it continued "s now a scalar number." which is why I wrote that just now when I realized what you meant < 1301976682 394535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah okay < 1301976712 161525 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no idea what a shape with two lines down could represent < 1301976725 139642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or two shapes with two lines between them < 1301976762 507441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more precisely, i have all kinds of ideas < 1301976781 267822 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tensor diagram does not tell you how many components there are in a vector. However, if there are $n$ components in a vector, $p$ lines above and $q$ lines below in the diagram, it has $n^{p+q}$ components in total. Now is it understandable a bit more? < 1301976808 491465 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector? no one said there were any vectors involved < 1301976821 42815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch there is some key point both you and the wp page are missing < 1301976832 253290 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe...... < 1301976845 959110 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be obvious if i knew even the tiniest bit about the actual usage of these things < 1301976873 729605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case < 1301976879 58884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to uni < 1301976893 208023 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nothing isn't going to do itself! < 1301976911 332169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually i have some stuff i need to do but i guess i just wanted to say that because it was funny < 1301976920 727686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In quantum computation, for example, there is two components in a vector, one for bits being zero, and one for bits being one. < 1301976963 300483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if you want to represent n bits, you take a vector of length 2n? < 1301976981 963716 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is a component < 1301976999 53299 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For $n$ bits, you need $2^n$ components. < 1301977005 742601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1301977007 461343 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One for each possible combination. < 1301977011 535405 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1301977036 775764 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then what do you mean by two components < 1301977106 727188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, components of a vector! Does this make sense or am I forgetting something? < 1301977141 70452 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except now it is components of the tensor instead, but it is the same kind of thing as components of a vector, or of a matrix. < 1301977167 4566 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make sense, in a vector you will have 1 component for bits being one or zero, if you have one bit, you will have 4 for two bits etc, in what sense does a vector have *two components per bit*? < 1301977174 870194 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean < 1301977187 657337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for *all* bits being zero, one for *all* bits being one? < 1301977260 318718 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not mean a vector has two components per bit. I mean a vector for a single bit has two components. In case of three bits, you tensor multply the three bits together to get a total of eight components. < 1301977274 739874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1301977292 391052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single bit can indeed have two states < 1301977315 356965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise computer science would be way easier < 1301977331 693535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can put other numbers in the components, such as square root, and complex numbers, and so on, for quantum superposition states of qubits. < 1301977404 691652 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is superposition addition? < 1301977426 860437 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or umm what are you saying there < 1301977441 41299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought our vectors had complex coordinates to begin with < 1301977513 750672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i know what you're trying to say < 1301977529 368723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is damn hard to do informally < 1301977553 624191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again what isn't < 1301977710 317432 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write a tensor as a matrix, also. < 1301977828 549553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301977860 178856 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also Dirac notation (bra-ket notation). < 1301977883 412267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is used to represent the state vector. < 1301977921 393581 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301978050 228304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to use square bracket for matrix writing, so in TeX I can define \def\bmatrix#1{\left[\matrix{#1}\right]} < 1301978073 553242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is similar tp \pmatrix but with [] instead of () as delimiters) < 1301978098 428399 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about notation < 1301978114 993355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, why haven't i left yet < 1301978136 896636 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't care about notation, how are you going to write the math? < 1301978138 612340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your matrical temptations < 1301978187 553273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i suppose if i was doing quantum computation stuff, i'd use the standard notation < 1301978237 918967 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you use the bra-ket notation? < 1301978256 475611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, i'd give a five second shit to choose the one to use. < 1301978262 198337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which < 1301978290 384213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, depends on the length and depth of those five seconds. < 1301978353 896669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably if I am writing a TeX document with bra-ket notation I would also make up a macro for it if I use it in my document. < 1301978614 982205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Length and depth of five seconds? < 1301978636 767184 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1301978646 407817 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1301978771 460399 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301979132 483910 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone says that the modern TeX distribution is not properly TeX because it can parse the %& line. However, I think this is not a problem because it will not parse the %& line if the filename is typed at the ** prompt (at least in MiKTeX). But there is a real problem, which is when 18 is used as a file number. 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time to debug it now. < 1301988920 262742 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas PART #esoteric :"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." < 1301989059 209409 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-9-131.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1301992690 657409 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301992692 373319 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301992696 142124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301992696 563893 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1301993113 685116 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1301993113 849830 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301993113 849983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1301993113 850062 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1301993123 544755 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1301993128 950319 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:Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302003035 466787 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302004009 966416 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302004036 371563 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302006990 20692 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-8-117.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302007364 895887 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-138-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302007906 6401 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302008017 738745 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133253.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302008037 299832 :cheater00!~cheater@g224203171.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302009293 85546 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302009716 960173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302010571 98161 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302010572 414134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:41:24: i like lolcode :) < 1302010572 582905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:41:45: but i didn't see any working serious implementation of it :) < 1302010572 748370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:41:50: maybe lolpython < 1302010578 38566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachyx: BUUUUUUUURN IN A FIERY PIT OF ETERNAL SUFFERING < 1302010589 520475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:45:14: there's currently a picture of me online :| < 1302010589 725824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:45:34: i won't tell you where before i ask them to remove it though < 1302010597 536372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hey we all have one, from the frappr dump :> < 1302010607 79942 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HAI < 1302010617 479286 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CAN I HAZ EXPLANATION? < 1302010642 25162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachyx: yes. everyone in here hates LOLCode and it is the worst and least esoteric language ever and therefore burn in your matrix off solidity < 1302010643 396134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY NAO < 1302010659 372474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Tachyx Tachycek 81.200.61.23 >__________> < 1302010674 484696 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1302010708 226374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns. in his matrix of solidity.
< 1302010717 450210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaming noobs in the morning, what a refreshing start to the day! < 1302010746 292062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachyx: oh i forgot, hello < 1302010794 342694 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1302010796 919754 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1302010815 790943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna assume you've been magically pointed to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1302010832 338738 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok you're flaming i'll be trolling < 1302010836 512679 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc < 1302010856 889010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WASN'T FLAMING that was me helpfully pointing you to our wiki < 1302010857 811046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JERKFACE < 1302010861 697763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1302011063 684517 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))) < 1302011065 992812 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trololo < 1302011987 718862 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302011991 316871 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302012062 2069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Float value_: _fp < 1302012062 167767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1302012062 167870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : self := self new. < 1302012062 167918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { memcpy(self, v__fp, sizeof(double)); }. < 1302012062 167960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1302012064 171832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's some code. < 1302012071 716949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ^ < 1302012151 799247 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302013385 468626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302014296 983556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://codu.org/myavatar.gif why did you make this < 1302014337 706539 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To be the most annoying avatar imaginable. < 1302014343 794531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but it's awesome... < 1302014352 79945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use it. even on irc < 1302014358 14141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix all your messages with < 1302014366 690486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think limechat has the ability to expand linked images < 1302014370 994131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically just prefix every message with http://codu.org/myavatar.gif < 1302014382 340276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think linkinius did that too, i guess os x deludes them into thinking it's a good idea < 1302014386 86203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that would be awesome, do it < 1302014419 381477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i logreaded a shitload yesterday for no real reason < 1302014420 337241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:18:42 Go write an interpreter for http://www.codu.org/plof/ < 1302014420 514313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19:37 pikhq: in the C part for left, right and goto you don't set ::current, something i think might bite you with _goto current. < 1302014420 679128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:19:56 oerjan: Thanks. < 1302014420 679289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:11 GregorR-L: No thanks. < 1302014421 423897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:17 I'd rather do a real Lisp. :p < 1302014423 305948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:37 Plof and lisp aren't particularly similar. < 1302014425 349183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:21:33 Fixed and up on server. < 1302014427 172623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:00 GregorR-L: Yeah. . . Lisp is worth learning. :p < 1302014431 582374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite entertaining < 1302014437 522764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seconds later it was about how Emacs was an OS lol) < 1302014451 526599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! < 1302014455 419968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saved this to troll Gregor < 1302014455 971676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:13:01 BSD == better server than GNU/Linux. < 1302014456 155923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:13:08 GNU/Linux, on the other hand == better desktop than BSD < 1302014465 623605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(internet was out) < 1302014576 400905 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302014630 500606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey we're doign the best thing < 1302014637 355011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollign Gregor < 1302014652 383392 :cheater99!~cheater@e181133253.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302014668 124903 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use an image that is licensed w/ a CC "Share Alike" clause on a web page, does that web page count as "building upon" the work of the image, thus requiring to be under a similar license? < 1302014686 246514 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*requiring it (the webpage) < 1302014706 657943 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask here because I know you are all totally lawyers here < 1302014717 769341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: depends < 1302014725 226423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you use a data: URI, it's like static linking and not allowed < 1302014734 291324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just use src="...", then it's like dynamic linking, and allowed < 1302014738 916 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302014741 311456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not joking < 1302014750 835886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming CC share alike doesn't have special provisions for this, that's the situation < 1302014758 89813 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "ironic lol" < 1302014760 702805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking isn't creating a derivative work, baking it in is < 1302014769 33124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is it 2.5 or 3.0 :p < 1302014778 383532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will trawl through the legalese for uh... fun?
< 1302014780 946138 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 3.0 I think < 1302014789 486500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what country version? or unported? < 1302014793 184384 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unported < 1302014804 632197 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs public domain
< 1302014820 236261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode fuck licenses that start with definitions < 1302014824 435178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reproduce" means to make copies of the Work by any means including without limitation by sound or visual recordings and the right of fixation and reproducing fixations of the Work, including storage of a protected performance or phonogram in digital form or other electronic medium. < 1302014825 601838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHONOGRAM < 1302014831 839271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHONOGRAM IN DIGITAL FORM < 1302014852 627083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Adaptation" means a work based upon the Work, or upon the Work and other pre-existing works, such as a translation, adaptation, derivative work, arrangement of music or other alterations of a literary or artistic work, or phonogram or performance and includes cinematographic adaptations or any other form in which the Work may be recast, transformed, or adapted including in any form recognizably derived from the original, except that a work that < 1302014852 810747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :constitutes a Collection will not be considered an Adaptation for the purpose of this License. For the avoidance of doubt, where the Work is a musical work, performance or phonogram, the synchronization of the Work in timed-relation with a moving image ("synching") will be considered an Adaptation for the purpose of this License. < 1302014852 977145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Collection" means a collection of literary or artistic works, such as encyclopedias and anthologies, or performances, phonograms or broadcasts, or other works or subject matter other than works listed in Section 1(f) below, which, by reason of the selection and arrangement of their contents, constitute intellectual creations, in which the Work is included in its entirety in unmodified form along with one or more other contributions, each constit < 1302014857 805547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uting separate and independent works in themselves, which together are assembled into a collective whole. A work that constitutes a Collection will not be considered an Adaptation (as defined below) for the purposes of this License. < 1302014861 788765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1302014863 601172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that < 1302014865 796680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: might < 1302014867 693840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: give you a license to use it < 1302014869 893879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're making like < 1302014871 566615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gallery of images < 1302014883 484454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, i'll ask irc < 1302014901 318659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is it just attribution-share alike? < 1302014914 246061 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en < 1302014921 337972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302014921 769251 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, it was mostly just an example < 1302014932 532973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, so this isn't actually a real case? < 1302014933 250786 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its real purpose is to make me loathe creative commons < 1302014934 544819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel cheated < 1302014940 183337 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's ONE case < 1302014944 872220 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you know < 1302014946 912979 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :images. < 1302014947 826798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well there's http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ :P < 1302014966 399556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less ugly just to remove the requirement from ISC though :-D < 1302014985 405928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any < 1302014985 954374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :purpose with or without fee is hereby unconditionally granted. < 1302014991 319030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's software specific < 1302014997 486278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so s/software/work/ < 1302015054 899473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: or uh wait, that's just a verbose wtfpl < 1302015060 291121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard < 1302015105 28819 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just do what the rest of the internet does and caption other people's kitten photographs without caring about who "owns" them < 1302015164 908399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: TAKE A STAND AGAINST COPYRIGHT < 1302015169 814783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPTION ANY FUCKING KITTEN PHOTOGRAPH YOU WANT < 1302015179 488058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' kitten anarchy < 1302015474 827116 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302015551 283521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302015581 204932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does including an Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported image on a web page constitute a derivative work that forces the web page to be licensed under the same license? < 1302015581 370946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: no, unless some fancy overlays are done. But a typical image and text without any overlap is fine. < 1302015581 371102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : IANAL, TINLA < 1302015589 197326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's even more fucked than i could have possibly imagined! < 1302015612 538723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so basically i think if you used it as the background to a page that would be close to a grey area < 1302015627 613570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1302015637 326938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to be 403ed from Conservapedia. < 1302015648 292233 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1302015648 477017 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1302015648 663930 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   >\ < 1302015651 279022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1302016066 360690 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-128.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302016821 30096 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally figured out how hg-git works with git branches. < 1302016825 157457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I shall never have to use git again :) < 1302016877 941919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the downside, you still have to use hg. < 1302016893 659398 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you typo'd, "plus on the upside, you get to use hg" < 1302016910 579187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scapegoat now to be released under the "Everybody Except Gregor Richards" EULA < 1302016926 44201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just the "I Am Now Going To find . -name .hg -exec rm -rf '{}' \;" EULA :P < 1302016928 783072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*find / < 1302016938 579053 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was always the license for Scape🐐 < 1302016951 302740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EULA, dammit, licenses only cover redistribution. And are also legally valid unlike EULAs. < 1302017087 572293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg is the one in Python, isn't it? < 1302017096 946053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is named after a toxic metal that causes brain damage. < 1302017125 253231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1302017126 550962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yes. < 1302017144 684232 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fun kind of brain damage though. < 1302017165 208741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to name something osmium but I don't know what.) < 1302017165 374032 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like the excruciating pain and slow death as your body breaks down kind of brain damage, at least in small doses. < 1302017186 375836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the class of languages parseable by recursive-descent? < 1302017226 3716 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... context-free languages. Recursive-descent essentially has infinite rollback. < 1302017246 354673 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, without memoization it's quite expensive for languages with a lot of ambiguity. < 1302017329 790439 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, "recursive descent" is probably not defined precisely enough to restrict it only to context-free languages, but it's certainly at least context-free languages) < 1302017336 15536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, slight rephrase: Parseable with recursive-descent WITHOUT HELLISHNESS :P < 1302017352 944157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, LL(k) basically. < 1302017355 965577 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1302017371 689318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Recursive descent may be a pain but it's less of a pain than yacc >_>) < 1302017459 880263 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302017475 645047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, writing a lexer by hand might be more awful than the combined awfulness of using lex and yacc. < 1302017483 598323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/awful/ugly/ < 1302017878 403497 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302017878 608639 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302017878 608730 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302018251 991905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302018644 87933 :Tachyx!~tach@81.200.61.23 NICK :rofl_idiot < 1302018655 337284 :rofl_idiot!~tach@81.200.61.23 NICK :Tachycek < 1302018816 482931 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By-hand lexers are simple ... < 1302018823 247397 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write by-hand lexers all the time ... < 1302018842 344306 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're really brave you can one-pass your lexer into your recursive-descent parser >: ) < 1302018928 924731 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.12 (15.3%): 64k+3x2k+7x1k+4x256+/48 to Australia, 1M+64k+2x16k to China, 8k to Hong Kong, 512 to Indonesia, 128k+2x2k+1k to Japan, 256k+4x64k+/32 to South Korea, 8k to Mongolia, 1k to Malaysia, 4k+/48 to New Zealand, 64k+4k to Philippines, /32 to Tuvalu, /32 to Vanatu. < 1302019070 68194 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depletion estimate: Wednesday 13th April. < 1302019160 9446 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302019183 485167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302019474 999584 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By-hand recursive descent parsers are relaxing to write. Or is that tedious? I guess that depends on my mood. < 1302019479 701064 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302019506 655956 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relaxing in that tedious way < 1302019516 9625 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one by-hand lexer that I've just copied and pasted into everything, with suitable modifications :) < 1302019544 516336 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages' tokenization rules don't tend to vary *too* much. Except when they do/ < 1302019611 862000 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If I see 'Identifiers start with a letter or underscore and consist only of letters, digits, and underscores' one more time, I'll scream!" < 1302019882 198025 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toss in hyphens and single quotes if you want to get racy. < 1302019883 429409 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302019884 105911 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _6'a = 5 in _6'a < 1302019884 271633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302019884 436667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much :D < 1302019884 672409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot recall if haskell adds anything else
< 1302019885 137879 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _' = 5 in _' < 1302019885 138050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302019885 303449 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _` = 5 in _` < 1302019885 303639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1302019886 383688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+`-) = 5 in (+`-) < 1302019886 549770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input ``' < 1302019886 715980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it's not an operator character either < 1302019886 881565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302019887 47404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for infixing, though. < 1302019887 47597 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours errored out at = not ` < 1302019887 212964 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that was it < 1302019887 475461 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+-) = 5 in (+-) < 1302019887 639970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020022 24664 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let (a b) = 5 in (a b) < 1302020022 881144 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302020023 391011 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a b) = 5 in (a b) < 1302020023 939052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1302020025 275476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not legal alas < 1302020025 579427 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces not good enough for you, huh, haskell? < 1302020027 187027 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a b = 5 in a b < 1302020027 351494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020030 819159 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1302020031 493832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins evilly
< 1302020040 953262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on lambdabot actually having b defined (for its symbolic Expr's) < 1302020041 284397 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302020042 219562 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> b < 1302020042 385159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b < 1302020082 934997 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) $ repeat b < 1302020083 99511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [b,b + b,b + b + b,b + b + b + b,b + b + b + b + b,b + b + b + b + b + b,b ... < 1302020149 996447 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Quylthulg I used $ as "identifier quotes" so that identifiers could contain arbitrary characters (except for $) ... and to make it look vaguely reminiscent of TeX < 1302020160 218411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically let a b = 5 is a function definition and you cannot put parentheses around those < 1302020182 58955 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so b is the pattern match. right < 1302020196 14528 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo bar = 5 in foo bar < 1302020196 998755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `bar' < 1302020211 262722 :tswett!~Warrigal@171.64.42.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1302020211 856414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last bar is a free variable < 1302020230 248699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1302020241 475009 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is working on some way for that not to be the case < 1302020254 123402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use about any already defined identifier instead, though < 1302020268 803401 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo bar = 5 in foo (foo) < 1302020269 728272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020275 228065 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1302020282 986885 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo foo = 5 in foo (foo) < 1302020283 895168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020300 752422 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm all itchin' to write me some obfuscated Haskell < 1302020326 13029 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you want to use lots of operator identifiers for that < 1302020328 925328 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this probably won't work... < 1302020334 484055 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo (foo) = 5 in foo (foo) < 1302020335 254963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020338 394256 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1302020363 843941 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can parenthesize it without putting an @ on it < 1302020371 48206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems < 1302020418 212755 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+-) (+-) = 5 in (+-) (+-) < 1302020418 927656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020465 172041 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you can do everything with (...operator chars...) that you can do with an ordinary identifier, except put `` around < 1302020534 551145 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+-) (+-) (+-) = 5 in (+-) +- (+-) < 1302020535 265398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Conflicting definitions for `+-' < 1302020535 431714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bound at: :1:9-12 < 1302020535 431941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1302020537 421549 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa for `...alphanum chars` < 1302020566 84757 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`a`) < 1302020566 839226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `)' < 1302020584 131284 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo foo foo = 5 in (foo) `foo` (foo) < 1302020584 893698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Conflicting definitions for `foo' < 1302020585 458135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bound at: :1:8-10 < 1302020585 623345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1302020590 617842 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo foo' foo'' = 5 in (foo) `foo` (foo) < 1302020592 548000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302020609 80667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows you to name a parameter the same as the function but not to name two parameters the same < 1302020633 801164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess both of those could have gone either way < 1302020700 811805 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+-) a b = a * b in 6 +- 7 < 1302020701 552658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1302020714 488798 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+-) a b = a * b in (+-) 6 7 < 1302020715 208390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1302020723 683589 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+-) a b = a * b in 6 `(+-)` 7 < 1302020724 424655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `(' < 1302020731 851226 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... but... < 1302020744 156460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said except for that < 1302020746 978956 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1302020754 760807 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know.. but ... but' < 1302020787 768691 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (6) = 7 in (6) < 1302020788 511728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1302020793 525000 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1302020811 949062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one works a different way because 6 is a pattern, not an identifier < 1302020836 955532 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (*6*) = 7 in (*6*) < 1302020868 482206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `)' < 1302020874 544035 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 isn't an operator char either < 1302020874 757994 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no digits in operators. bah! < 1302020942 245873 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _6_ _ _ = 7 in 6 `_6_` 6 < 1302020942 513612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1302020944 629747 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell keeps the charset for identifiers and operators disjoint. < 1302020945 41405 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1302021203 572310 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (_) _ _ = 7 in 6 _ 7 < 1302021203 775510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1302021204 971256 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302021208 169482 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (') _ _ = 7 in 6 ' 7 < 1302021208 335197 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries mostly to prevent two consecutive tokens with operator chars from being likely < 1302021208 501236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1302021208 501418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1302021209 840613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are exceptions < 1302021211 374981 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (↯) _ _ = 7 in 6 ↯ 7 < 1302021211 540538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1302021215 362838 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: _ is a special pattern and not an identifier < 1302021224 185476 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f 1 = 0; f _ = 1; f 9 < 1302021224 351626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1302021225 513144 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the REPL not like function definitions? < 1302021228 223936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > is not a repl it's an expression evaluator < 1302021230 827901 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION splits hairs
< 1302021230 992910 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use let < 1302021234 812572 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the ghci repl requires let as well, although with a different notation (it behaves like a giant do block) < 1302021234 979206 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads. it evaluates. it... privmsgs. it... logs onto irc. < 1302021243 113642 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess it's a kind of repl < 1302021275 417697 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 1 = 0; f _ = 1 in f 9 < 1302021275 583659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1302021279 166263 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302021462 435089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither lambdabot nor ghci allows the full set of declarations in a module file < 1302021464 915171 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ↯ _ = 7 in ↯ 6 < 1302021465 80949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input ` < 1302021470 512515 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (↯) _ _ = 7 in (↯) 6 6 < 1302021470 678612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1302021476 452948 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well that was fun > 1302022210 683052 JOIN :#esoteric > 1302022261 473796 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302022261 744502 :glogbot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302022275 684889 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let let x = 5 in "hi" < 1302022276 838387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1302022289 119124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let let x = 5 < 1302022290 261945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1302022317 339242 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302022322 307034 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that error could happen for any cause once you're inside a block < 1302022374 487216 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the difference here may be that a do block cannot be empty while a let block can < 1302022404 180895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let do { "hi" } = 5 in 6 < 1302022405 424912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1302022459 36707 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let \x -> 5 + = in < 1302022460 337786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1302022466 899045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302022491 39 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a let block is parsed with something that allows an arbitrary expression < 1302022522 5397 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeenteresting yes < 1302022533 80836 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only errors out after the whole expression has been parsed < 1302022551 495177 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 + 6 = 11 in 11 < 1302022552 592937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1302022570 439593 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 + 6 = 12 in 11 < 1302022571 675613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1302022576 641899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a legal operator definition < 1302022587 513458 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 + 6 = 12 in 5 + 6 < 1302022588 639420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 < 1302022596 859127 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... beautiful < 1302022617 966435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you try to call it with something other than 5 and 6, anyhow < 1302022628 247057 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 + 6 = 12 in 5 + 5 < 1302022629 455796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:4-13: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1302022634 19188 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1302022665 125298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (5+6) = 3 in f 11 < 1302022666 332080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1302022672 22612 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x + y = 4 in x + y < 1302022672 780812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1302022703 497181 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that error may happen when it has parsed f (5+6) as an expression and discovers it wasn't a pattern < 1302022739 706867 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to be such a subparser anyhow because there _are_ points in haskell's syntax where both an expression and a pattern are permitted. it's just strange that it's used in let. < 1302022795 407552 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. in do blocks you can have do pattern <- ... ; ... or do expression ; ... < 1302022799 759461 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1302022930 795015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i was reading glogbot logs not clog logs... < 1302023311 429080 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302023319 112807 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let \x -> 5 in 5 < 1302023320 203662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `in' < 1302023364 490464 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 + 6 + 7 = 8 in 9 < 1302023365 687655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1302023388 523874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5+6 = 13 in 5+6 < 1302023389 342554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 < 1302023398 573716 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let \x -> 5 = \x -> 6 in 5 < 1302023398 724107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this crap about being distilled mathematics? < 1302023399 915789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1302023576 802002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think "Parse error in pattern" means just that, it's a legal expression in a place where a pattern is expected < 1302023636 357301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 + 6 + 7 + = < 1302023637 433290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `=' < 1302023670 669367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fires up real ghci
< 1302023736 495211 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci gives :1:17: parse error on input `=' < 1302023763 591915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is clearly a weirdness in ghc parsing, not just lambdabot < 1302023806 636042 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:5: Parse error in pattern: 5 + 6 < 1302023814 956623 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more informative < 1302024492 863125 :gnidan!~gnidan@65.217.154.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302024895 867036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302025831 846216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302025898 836571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302026058 781896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:33:48: > is not a repl it's an expression evaluator < 1302026061 306208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: read EVAL print loop < 1302026073 283885 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302026074 816503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302026077 539567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that lambdabot != ghci < 1302026119 851963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302026126 698820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02:10: oh wait i was reading glogbot logs not clog logs... < 1302026127 29333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? :p < 1302026225 272755 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so clog wasn't the one failing < 1302026232 377165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing _what_ < 1302026247 296003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to record some minutes of conversation < 1302026254 742052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1302026259 741369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for ch2 < 1302026280 385448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: whaddya think happened < 1302026303 132772 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well after a while there was a glogbot netsplit, then it reentered < 1302026310 546287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i see < 1302026355 906810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:03 They use Smalltalk, by the way. < 1302026356 123652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:34 XD < 1302026356 274241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:06:42 Prepare for tomorrow with the language of yesterday :P < 1302026359 467317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, imma beat Gregor up. < 1302026377 319051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man everyone is stupid in 2006 :D < 1302026410 995572 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :razor-x, what happened to her... < 1302026452 204461 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that her first or second nick, i've forgotten the other one < 1302026460 276756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi < 1302026463 800266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something japanese-soun... right < 1302026466 324255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sukoshi was the later one < 1302026483 599556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT'S OK BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS STUPID IN 2006 AND THEREFORE EVERYONE FROM 2006 SHOULD BE BOMBED < 1302026485 728366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1302026488 998234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has escaped punishment by dropping the R < 1302026493 580551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've escaped the punshiment by dropping the j < 1302026494 237484 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: whaddya think happened // I think glogbackup worked perfectly is what < 1302026498 351695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides in his bomb shelter
< 1302026503 794150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that happened in 2006 < 1302026513 498961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pikhq hasn't yet escaped so he's on death row < 1302026521 325900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But why did glogbot die :P Netsplit? < 1302026530 519837 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* glogbot has quit (*.net *.split) < 1302026535 998290 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said quite clearly that it was a netsplit you dunce. < 1302026556 157896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:56: ok well that was fun < 1302026556 332156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:51:01: -!- glogbot has joined #esoteric. < 1302026556 482740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:51:15: > let let x = 5 in "hi" < 1302026561 477663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not in the "fancy" logs. < 1302026574 738042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY CH2 IS AWESOME (Info messages :P) < 1302026596 96543 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd ... quit messages are in fact logged ... it's like it saw the other side of the netsplit or something ... < 1302026606 270720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or, it's because the baker totally fails at quit messages. < 1302026610 489494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it does. < 1302026619 429592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, quit messages work fine. < 1302026624 73128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROLY? < 1302026626 950738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen one. < 1302026641 379714 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at the raw log, you'll see that it never received any quit messages. < 1302026647 108426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P < 1302026703 955198 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: from what i see, glogbackup only entered once glogbot split. by that time messages to glogbot could have been lost for a while. < 1302026744 635244 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's ... not how a netsplit works. But glogbackup joins either by seeing a QUIT message, or by losing its dead man's switch on Codu. < 1302026768 512713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's how a netsplit works if a server takes a long time to time out? < 1302026776 3818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you get watchdog set up, btw? < 1302026787 238348 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So you're complaining that glogbackup isn't psychic? Awwww. < 1302026790 725377 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1302026805 823943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup could ping glogbot every few seconds, you know. < 1302026816 995624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If glogbot was programmed to not log those pings, it'd have basically 0 overhead and be perfect *shrug* < 1302026826 34357 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good fucking lord. < 1302026827 320722 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you all. < 1302026835 670288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY FOR SUGGESTING CONSTRUCTIVE IMPROVEMENTS < 1302026839 131000 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of glogbackup is not to work around netsplits, it just HAPPENS to work that way some times. < 1302026848 928428 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just pointing out it doesn't protect against messages lost before split detection, is all < 1302026856 585907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could work perfectly if it pinged like that. and also notice when codu dies quicker. < 1302026959 48430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we must have a logbot on every freenode server. < 1302026961 948476 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides
< 1302026972 694705 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing how I can improve the state of logging on this channel by 100x, and everybody complains that it's not 1000x X_X < 1302026998 281528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I'm not complaining! < 1302027007 124066 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this ... in a channel of extreme geeks ... surprises you? < 1302027042 297498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 100x? that sounds a leeetle excessive < 1302027050 911589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway HEROBRINE did that ;D < 1302027066 262916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, smalltalk has very few tokens < 1302027076 438564 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ken, or not to ken < 1302027140 921617 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...don't you mean keywords... < 1302027157 339233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302027168 563049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, every identifier is a token < 1302027172 906822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean token types < 1302027178 456783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok < 1302027189 388787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash, caret, pipe, equals, dot, semicolon, comment, symbol, number, string, lparen, rparen, lbracket, rbracket < 1302027191 702807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty few < 1302027227 649679 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Herobrine was at http://lolsomeIP, and had no backup at all. < 1302027248 915771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolsomeIP... I fail to see the relevance considering it was in the topic always < 1302027265 229742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And glogbot doesn't have a backup that works for the vastly common case i.e. netsplits :P < 1302027358 182036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is now fuming so hard he's actually evaporated completely < 1302027384 657478 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302027387 955468 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only form of backup that would work in that case is having a bot connected to every server, on every logged channel. < 1302027395 508518 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what we in the biz call "a terrible idea." < 1302027402 61173 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, terrible ideas are your fort�. < 1302027424 495542 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1302027435 202943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) With geographically-separated servers, pinging glogbot every few seconds would handle >50% of cases. < 1302027447 64808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) Considering you're the one who just invented that idea on the spot, I'm not sure what's with all the self-hating. < 1302027503 333926 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was oerjan's idea. < 1302027514 871177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, oerjan says things seriously. < 1302027520 328157 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And you can't know where the split will occur, so that won't handle >50% of cases. < 1302027522 667127 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was to (2) < 1302027543 493898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally two geographically far-away servers don't get split IME, but whatever. < 1302027639 939161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just look at * oerjan hides, that proves i was serious < 1302027808 149057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for two servers to be split, one of the (inclusive) in-between servers must fail. any other server failing will not be detected. < 1302027926 997390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm take the tree, remove all leaf nodes. put a logbot on everything that is _now_ a leaf node. i think that detects everything interesting due to one server going down < 1302027949 56295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a tree, it's a graph < 1302027951 64865 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many servers that is, i don't know < 1302027951 714705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe < 1302027961 427221 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um irc is supposedly a tree, always < 1302027978 923986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302027985 478948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml ;; a logbot on every server would not be difficult at all < 1302027986 256598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they have some protocol addition. in fact that's one reason why irc has so much netsplits < 1302028000 215433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only about 25 < 1302028023 873676 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat, you don't need a logbot on all nodes, just the second-to-leaf ones < 1302028027 640371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1302028029 702010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying that even then < 1302028033 988820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: irc as a graph sounds like it'd be a lot more reliable... < 1302028043 190520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm is that correct < 1302028057 16526 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. but that makes everything else more complicated. < 1302028070 303080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "modern" IRC isn't exactly trivial :) < 1302028078 75232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_especially_ interserver stuff < 1302028080 577431 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISAPPOINTED BY LACK OF AFRICAN SERVERS < 1302028091 926294 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's racism will no longer be tolerated. < 1302028095 810472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a graph means there is more than one path between two servers, so you need to do something special to prevent messages arriving twice < 1302028102 126452 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets up irc.freenode.so
< 1302028103 478563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and where's the antarctic servers! < 1302028118 830823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the ANYWHERE IN THE AMERICAS BUT THE US servers! < 1302028120 545894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the asian servers! < 1302028122 845903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, servers anywhere < 1302028136 700600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, hiato must have a blast connecting from south africa :D < 1302028165 944065 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's our Mars server. < 1302028180 170924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about andromeda? oh wait, Ed blew that up < 1302028183 126689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SPOILERS LOL) < 1302028207 399508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Andromeda–Milky Way collision is a predicted galaxy collision that could possibly take place in approximately 3 to 5 billion years' time between the two largest galaxies in the Local Group – the Andromeda Galaxy and the Milky Way, which contains Earth." < 1302028209 196925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it now. Really. < 1302028275 553009 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic-style IRC is indeed a tree, but it can be configumarated to bring up backup links if one node dies. < 1302028362 527941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does non-classic-style IRC exist? :P < 1302028365 705651 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galaxy collisions, for those in the galaxy, are extremely boring events, even if we could experience the sheer time scale. < 1302028389 314604 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some impressive numbers associated with that collision < 1302028392 5205 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they expect all of what < 1302028402 95268 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :six stars colliding? < 1302028415 873930 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what freenode does. Based on how often they go all "we're rerouting things", it doesn't sound likely they'd be very automatically-robust. < 1302028436 946334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: :D < 1302028462 210508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole SIX stars will collide, and images of the resulting galaxy might even look SLIGHTLY different from a simple image blending of them! < 1302028464 835586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off by .1 pixels, even! < 1302028468 1783 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm assuming that's essentially a random thing, one might ask how many stars collide in a galaxy under usual circumstances, even without a galaxy collision < 1302028473 902738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But does it exist in general? < 1302028545 326178 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not, but I wouldn't rule it out. < 1302028558 204201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY IT MUST BE INTERVENTED < 1302028575 120736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about there possibly being big changes in the large-scale structure though, possibly merging into a galaxy that is no longer spiral, but elliptic? < 1302028620 869168 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, just because stars don't collide, it doesn't mean the whole galaxies pass through each other as if nothing happened < 1302028632 598255 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, freenode has done the typical thing and nerfed the LINKS command too, so that you can't even draw the graph. < 1302028851 704958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame. < 1302028856 768267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* anthony.freenode.net calvino.freenode.net :1 Irvine, CA, USA < 1302028856 918854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* calvino.freenode.net calvino.freenode.net :0 Milan, IT < 1302028856 919049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * :End of /LINKS list. < 1302028863 109941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you do like 385734958734598345 hops to find out the graph from that? < 1302028921 734564 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives that same list wherever I connect to. < 1302028947 811228 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so I just spot-checked a few.) < 1302028977 108629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1302028989 532857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is anthony.freenode.net, like, The freenode server? < 1302029025 648474 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess theoretically anthony-calvino could be the US/EU link. Or maybe it's just a fakey-fakey. < 1302029046 239125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why return a real-looking fake link, rather than like < 1302029055 678063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* your.freenode.net mom.freenode.net :1 Your Mom's Household < 1302029090 121183 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in Smalltalk, the global namespace contains true, false, nil, self, super, thisContext, string literals, numeric literals, block literals, and classes. Anything else? < 1302029120 225982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: self and super and thisContext aren't global are they? < 1302029125 991073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're local to whatever method you're in. < 1302029129 328458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or execution context, really. < 1302029142 504146 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're available everywhere. :P < 1302029147 460418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just mean "the top-level namespace in a certain context", well, temporary variables and instance variables are in there too. < 1302029148 938099 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly. >.> < 1302029156 872292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But they don't have a consistent value everywhere. < 1302029175 583637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Isn't "nil" a keyword? I may be wrong. < 1302029192 958969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, literals aren't identifiers, so they're not in any namespace. < 1302029199 976404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, the global namespace contains classes and maybe nil. :p < 1302029213 614115 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, nil's a keyword. Just like true and false. < 1302029214 927871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the available-everywhere namespace contains true, false, self, super, thisContext, classes, and maybe nil. < 1302029217 262018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1302029223 523213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the available-everywhere namespace contains self, super, thisContext, and classes. < 1302029227 136539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is thisContext a keyword too? < 1302029228 122150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1302029234 156142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And self and super too. < 1302029238 709561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically the global namespace contains... classes. :p < 1302029238 870193 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1302029242 485187 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1302029251 531837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But self/super/nil/true/false/thisContext are pretty damn close to being immutable variables in a given scope. < 1302029253 158429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd count them. < 1302029257 254989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(self isn't immutable in idst!) < 1302029267 694334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Float value_: _fp < 1302029268 21552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1302029268 172008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : self := self new. < 1302029268 172202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { memcpy(self, v__fp, sizeof(double)); }. < 1302029268 172309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1302029269 171099 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... < 1302029271 405558 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drumrolls.
< 1302029274 791360 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is immutable in idst! < 1302029276 98923 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1302029284 560298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, I think "3" might be immutable. < 1302029291 122988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that you can't assign to it; you can certainly give it new methods. < 1302029295 333858 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 3 immutable in C? < 1302029298 549484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :p < 1302029309 375510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Float method is amazing, though. < 1302029312 135993 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be entirely surprised if you could &3 = 5. Or is it 3%? < 1302029315 966 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/%/&/ < 1302029318 292218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you can't do that. < 1302029327 192046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&foo isn't an lvalue. < 1302029330 850000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What that method does: < 1302029334 233361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First it replaces itself with a new instance of itself (idst is prototype-based). < 1302029349 782251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it copies its _fp argument to itself, overwriting itself. < 1302029366 83093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key here being that in idst, the vtable is *just before* the self pointer, so that doesn't actually cause it to stop being an object. < 1302029377 505363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just overwrites all the data with the single double that constitutes a Float. < 1302029387 873607 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302029437 945395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw, you can't do &3 in general in C. < 1302029460 940100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&lvalue results in an rvalue of type T*, where T is the type of lvalue. < 1302029476 163847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 isn't an lvalue, and "&x = ..." isn't valid because &x is an rvalue. < 1302029483 326363 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302029492 88602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("*&x = ..." is valid because *p is an lvalue where p is a pointer, and &x is a pointer.) < 1302029499 508795 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do &"foo"? < 1302029511 952135 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use it as an lvalue? < 1302029519 916311 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302029521 561570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. "foo" isn't an lvalue. < 1302029539 916158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a literal rvalue of type (const char *). Or actually (const char []), in certain contexts. < 1302029540 575263 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1302029551 167433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that just (char []). < 1302029553 23525 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I cast it to a char * and then write to it? < 1302029565 561448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You don't need to cast it, you can write directly; your program will segfault. < 1302029570 92824 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1302029576 610356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo"[0] = 'p'; < 1302029585 71880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("*&x = ..." is valid because *p is an lvalue where p is a pointer, and &x is a pointer.) < 1302029585 399981 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is almost the definition of a segmentation fault. < 1302029603 40432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't quite true, in that that's not always valid. < 1302029610 443725 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, some of the bugs you mentioned in yoob have been fixed. but not all. < 1302029617 221491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if p is of type (const T *) then you can't assign to its dereferencing, even though it's an lvalue. < 1302029620 234517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hoorj < 1302029637 157317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I still think a swanky fungespace-editor would be cool :P < 1302029644 430183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESIGN GOALS ARE IRRELEVANT ONLY COOL MATTERS < 1302029652 50993 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one runthread now, and it receives messages telling it to start, stop, or load a new language < 1302029675 268190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but, I _liked_ being able to make it go faster in certain weird scenarios < 1302029684 59446 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :&* is almost a no-op by a special definition, though. (If the operand of unary & is the result of unary *, neither the * nor the & are evaluated, and the result is as if both were omitted, "except that the constraints on the operators still apply and the result is not an lvalue".) < 1302029685 89626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like a magic/more magic switch! < 1302029707 802349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. So &*var turns var into an rvalue, no matter what type var has. < 1302029731 10312 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's kind of like saying (x/n)*n=x < 1302029755 347974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder what the heck the justification for that was ;P < 1302029756 388883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1302029766 853108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatimability with olde compilers that literally just saw &* and skipped over the pair? < 1302029771 687756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optomized! < 1302029772 175887 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rationale doesn't say. < 1302029777 969344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's that. < 1302029821 293359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another such special rule: in "&foo[bar]", again "neither the & operator nor the unary * that is implied by the [] is evaluated, and the result is as if the & operator were removed and the [] operator were changed to a + operator". < 1302029839 999603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that actually change anything? < 1302029843 495257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semantically. < 1302029846 105995 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302029853 882071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just because that expands to < 1302029856 513793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&*(foo + bar) < 1302029859 404032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is again that special case? < 1302029861 261725 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't &*foo segfault if foo is NULL? or otherwise outside the address space? < 1302029870 636441 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait < 1302029871 628223 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302029880 710609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it maybe should, but it actually just results in NULL < 1302029881 225654 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't... can you? < 1302029913 787014 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind. i should be coding in python right now. < 1302029918 102605 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE, PYTHON PYTHON PYTHON < 1302029947 165528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i feel sorry for you igf it's any consolation < 1302029965 994461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: python will numb your mind and retard your soul < 1302029966 445535 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes squeaky sounds with his pursed lips designed to attract lower forms of life
< 1302029977 953670 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good python! Sit, fetch, etc < 1302029993 875354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: WILL? < 1302029997 819785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not a tree, it's a graph <-- it is a spanning tree < 1302030003 915527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what she said < 1302030055 508003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: irc as a graph sounds like it'd be a lot more reliable... <-- meshing has been tried. Several times even. Problem is that it isn't very easy to make it work properly since irc is multicast. < 1302030077 744548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1302030082 538891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just move to chatting over ipv6 multicast < 1302030176 66535 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some talk at clc whether "char *foo = 0; (void)*foo;" should segfault, i.e. whether the dereferencing should "happen". I guess the majority opinion was that it doesn't. (They were a lot more divided on whether "volatile char *foo = ...; (void)*foo;" should cause a read always, but of course "what constitutes an access to an object that has volatile-qualified type is implementation-defined".) < 1302030188 723103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, inspircd 1.0 even implemented meshing. Sure it helped a bit at netsplits, but it caused lots of bugs elsewhere. Maybe it would have been possible to make it work, but the devs decided it wasn't worth the work. Even today inspircd supports you plugging in a different server linking module if you want. < 1302030200 677874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa holding down cmd+n is so trippy < 1302030201 168920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only the spanning tree one though < 1302030220 277663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well inspircd is lame so who cares! < 1302030225 994250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it? < 1302030249 431848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, written in c++, and it has that smell of obnoxious over-modularity < 1302030274 199596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally plug a better server but not really being so much of an ircd guy i'll just say that ngircd is pretty okay :P < 1302030278 312430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should totally support graphs though < 1302030281 792427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet i could get a degree out of that < 1302030287 189028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it and charybdis are the only two serious competitors for the position of best ircd really. Most derivatives are crap. And ircd-seven that freenode uses is very very close to charybdis iirc < 1302030292 415984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternate network topologies for an internetworked relay-chat system < 1302030301 259461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's from with ngircd < 1302030310 476967 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wants to try fixing some brainfuck: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=v97Kx3pm < 1302030323 559904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, from what I remember, it looked a bit crap. What do you think makes it good? < 1302030325 383412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: yikes < 1302030330 396179 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SILC has at least some automatic split-free fallover thing to a backup router, where "router" is a special case of a "regular" SILC server, which can only be a leaf to another router. < 1302030332 153266 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to take an integer and print out the first 6 digits < 1302030358 17755 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter, what's up with the first lin? < 1302030359 497315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :line* < 1302030360 646958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's portable, the code is very simple and straightforward, it supports just about everything, it's mature... < 1302030362 618328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's crap about it < 1302030369 453826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having ZOMGMODULES? < 1302030370 360962 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's the input integer < 1302030373 495465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, feature support from what I remember < 1302030376 866314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's small < 1302030392 96306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you don't care much about features. Forgot that. < 1302030400 860492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uhh, it supports ssl, ipv6... define "features" < 1302030408 235122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a server command to do trout slapping? < 1302030438 554011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stuff like more advanced channel modes. Such as invite exempt based on service account < 1302030454 768184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I $a:elliott would work in charybdis for example. < 1302030463 927924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if freenode has that turned on for example < 1302030467 224272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngircd's service support is purely linking-based. so that's the services' job to handle < 1302030483 736637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode lets you set invite in access flags list of a channel < 1302030484 492997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't do that in the service. How would it work? < 1302030497 738419 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ZOMGMODULES import WINNING < 1302030506 440773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes that flag for invite means you can manually do /cs invite #channel < 1302030507 426955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: services kick anyone out who doesn't match the enabled invite pattern? services invite someone in the list who sends a message requesting them? < 1302030521 378535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is a delay there. Some in channel message could get through < 1302030525 320963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...zomg! < 1302030527 19844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC IS NOT REALTIME < 1302030528 661622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW AMAZING < 1302030549 648293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're saying "well, it doesn't support this *very specific* feature that nobody uses, and I count any slight change in the interface as a completely different feature, therefore ngircd sucks", that's just... stupid < 1302030552 664842 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ircd-seven does the "$type:data" special-ban/exempt/whatever syntax, with types of a, r and x. < 1302030555 959892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean: ngircd fails to do a simple check at the server that many other ircds can do < 1302030563 937140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: define simple check < 1302030564 293464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right. < 1302030573 642703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean mandating that services use NickServ as the name? < 1302030578 23445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any other kind of tight coupling? < 1302030579 258828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great idea! < 1302030595 552526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway just because something is simple to implement doesn't mean it's inherently the best thing to implement... or no, am I wrong? < 1302030604 966389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GNU echo should read mail: mbox is a simple format after all. < 1302030628 367981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well in the case of charybdis, it could go like this in pseudo code: is_in_invite_list(channel, "$a" + user->metadata[service_tag]) < 1302030641 751285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course since it is C, it will be more involved < 1302030641 901718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, tight coupling with services < 1302030645 432042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway just because something is simple to implement doesn't mean it's inherently the best thing to implement... or no, am I wrong? < 1302030645 618871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think GNU echo should read mail: mbox is a simple format after all. < 1302030659 770956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tight coupling with the metadata in the protocol :P < 1302030659 937112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, it wouldn't be simple to implement anyway < 1302030673 554987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ngircd supports services in the proper way, i.e. linking to them normally. < 1302030679 104602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is TS6 basically < 1302030680 316970 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there also a client called scylla? 'cos if not, i'm miffed. < 1302030700 141704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're suggesting a semi-useless feature (because it can be incredibly easily done in another way with services) that involves tight coupling of the server codebase to services details < 1302030702 445666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they still link. But it uses TS6 protocol. Same as inspircd do (though both uses minor extensions iirc) < 1302030705 895505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saying that on the basis that it lacks that, ngircd is crap < 1302030711 401735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stupid, you're just trolling < 1302030713 527733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1302030739 195633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was just one example. *shrug* < 1302030752 655031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you seem to hate this sort of functionality < 1302030754 142203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1302030788 871219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really fail at this. You can use that same feature with another service package. < 1302031130 315786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i want to write one now just because it's a nice name < 1302031153 622057 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not just that it's nice, it's... jeez, mythology, people < 1302031166 669177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, i just want to make it because it's nice, mythology can go fuck itself < 1302031180 255128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Gregor did you just change the log font < 1302031181 433077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz its ugly now < 1302031191 939722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i just imagining it < 1302031237 872495 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1302031248 267663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i saw your picture, i can now snipe you < 1302031264 810991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be one hell of a hacker < 1302031270 879027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sniper. < 1302031285 165149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1302031288 62841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking hacked a sniper < 1302031299 239113 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fontophiles are not permitted. < 1302031306 260681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you just change it y or n < 1302031310 207472 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: However, I haven't changed anything, it's always been font-face: monospace < 1302031313 852480 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, font-family < 1302031327 38262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about ph0ntohpilia, it just antialiased really badly for a second < 1302031328 175509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302031330 988590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really bad colour fringing < 1302031335 498546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it either fixed itself or my eyes unfucked < 1302031340 127704 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can change that from CSS. < 1302031345 668761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit :P < 1302031376 17234 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be too surprised, they put all sorts of shit in CSS :P < 1302031400 464433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yet NO FEATURES FOR HIDE-BUT-COPY < 1302031411 949822 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: We saw your castle thing, http://zem.fi/~fis/turkustle.jpg -- and didn't clean up your place. :/ < 1302031425 78354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the shittiest castle i've ever < 1302031439 263384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .foo { display: no; pronounce: no; copy: yes } /* IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK */ < 1302031484 443818 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.foo { display: none; pronounce: accent(swedish); copy: random } < 1302031488 458942 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :ph0ntohpiliac < 1302031505 510021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1302031509 780644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: bork bork bork < 1302031516 159054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish .foo { display: none; pronounce: accent(swedish); copy: random } < 1302031518 576075 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fuu { deespley: nune-a; prunuoonce-a: eccent(svedeesh); cupy: rundum } < 1302031522 115409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1302031535 224567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you leave already? < 1302031545 903965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : no < 1302031550 342860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : THEN COME AND CLEAN THE FUCKING PLACE UP < 1302031580 351157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i did just do 6 hours of group theory so i'm not sure i'd feel like meeting people even if you were here < 1302031671 410795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually let people in my home anyway, so i wasn't very serious about the cleaning < 1302031686 927266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said i could visit :< < 1302031688 319074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents have been trying to clean this place up since i moved, but i don't let them < 1302031696 466829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well exceptions are possible < 1302031698 934236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302031701 926301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm better than fizzie < 1302031702 252633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1302031707 515102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cleaning up and looking through my stuff? < 1302031709 412261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fucking way < 1302031714 547473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's like < 1302031716 28199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :molestation < 1302031719 627680 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302031720 280243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rape, even < 1302031725 771288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is pretty evil. < 1302031729 317564 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, we're not very castley peoples. < 1302031739 376999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rapists rarely are. < 1302031743 631349 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302031752 652777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah like < 1302031755 53781 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: We was there for just a few hours. < 1302031755 713871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that even a castle < 1302031759 813320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fucking rooks or anything < 1302031769 129655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly bigger than it looks < 1302031776 207559 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%85bo_slott_1724.JPG < 1302031778 176559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CASTLE IS NOT JUST A BIG HOUSE < 1302031788 337522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "1724" < 1302031797 858306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS IT GOT DE-CASTLIFIED < 1302031815 404811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol turku is called Åbo in swedish < 1302031869 109589 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it got quite damageded in bombings in 1941, I think. I guess oklopol can tell you lots of more of the history, he lives nearby after all. < 1302031895 713915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1302031896 370448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :history < 1302031897 28326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1302031934 624021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have no idea about the history < 1302031940 417062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've surely heard a lot of it < 1302031994 370076 :ph0ntohpiliac!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :ZOMGMODULES < 1302032003 876371 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are none of these fantastic nicks taken < 1302032010 81558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they suck < 1302032017 404926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some stuff about the current state of the castle, due to knowing people who study museology < 1302032034 902041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i propose you snatch up one-honking-great-idea while it's still available < 1302032060 180336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi NICK :MYPEN_ISBIG < 1302032062 566335 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302032067 77768 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLOO augur < 1302032084 378865 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just in time < 1302032101 828065 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure this nick turns you on < 1302032108 694405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is your pen < 1302032109 852841 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :EnjoyBeingLocked < 1302032115 429195 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's pretty fucking big < 1302032116 87101 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1302032116 580700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :matrix-of-solidi < 1302032117 413192 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1302032120 277565 :matrix-of-solidi!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :matrixofsolidity < 1302032125 177829 :matrixofsolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1302032129 231786 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302032130 662504 :matrixofsolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnjoyBeingLocked: please do /me in your < 1302032141 164904 :matrixofsolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :MatrixOfSolidity < 1302032143 307242 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnjoyBeingLocked: plz < 1302032144 815937 :EnjoyBeingLocked!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION in your
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< 1302032150 949814 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1302032157 906430 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty awesome < 1302032158 69824 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are so lame < 1302032160 547343 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone semi-fluent with brainfuck? < 1302032163 84940 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not worthy < 1302032165 274250 :MYPEN_ISBIG!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1302032168 471596 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: yep, but none of us jokers < 1302032189 464429 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg we should have a con < 1302032190 452228 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call it < 1302032197 184988 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnjoyBeingLockedInYourMatrixOfSolidityCon < 1302032199 156084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: what's "fluent"? that's sort of relative < 1302032200 681587 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity, how would i subtract 1 from v1 and v2 until one of them is 0 < 1302032207 276686 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnjoyBeingLocked: TEN TIMES BETTER THAN PYCON AMIRITE < 1302032212 243350 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: hmm < 1302032216 26411 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity, either or < 1302032216 190388 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so v2 is right after v1 right < 1302032218 349929 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302032227 695016 :EnjoyBeingLocked!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to keep a pair of bots around for just this purpose < 1302032241 574429 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: >>[<[-<->>]] < 1302032246 231481 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: tape must be (v1,v2,scrap) < 1302032249 914434 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrap must be 0 < 1302032253 155403 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1302032254 663968 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302032255 856374 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does nothing < 1302032259 77559 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1302032260 845455 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1302032266 130926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise it's pretty nice < 1302032267 380510 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1302032280 110563 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: [>[-<->>]<<] < 1302032282 120264 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same tape requirement < 1302032288 949316 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... think this should work < 1302032301 8531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i'm not going to comment on that. < 1302032306 94205 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302032308 435343 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302032317 140253 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302032322 416898 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you _sure_ that's wrong < 1302032336 107679 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 ,>,<[>[-<->>]<<]!ab < 1302032343 689354 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 ,>,<[>[-<->>]<<].>.!ab < 1302032347 974224 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1302032349 606382 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ,>,<[>[-<->>]<<].>.!ab < 1302032355 391707 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Gregor, who let the dogs out < 1302032362 259299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have no idea why it would work < 1302032372 917951 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302032374 69804 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1302032387 996287 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot !bf has never accepted !input. < 1302032388 146827 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well "while (v1) { while (v2) { v2--; v1--; go to scrap }; go back to v1 }" < 1302032404 86125 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well how do i get inputs in, that stupid input system thing? :D < 1302032412 62278 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: looks right to me at least < 1302032412 389703 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity, v1 can go negative < 1302032414 419363 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity: How's that going to terminate the outer loop when v2 is 0. < 1302032414 908159 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302032417 412424 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity: Nope, that's gone. You don't. < 1302032424 327502 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uh. good question. < 1302032425 887097 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302032428 299037 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That...sucks? < 1302032433 459267 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: no such thing as negative in bf < 1302032436 598859 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity: Too bad. < 1302032447 702270 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So much for EgoBot the useful esolang execution bot :P < 1302032448 195531 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity, eh? < 1302032448 407710 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302032451 352866 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: cells are 0 to 255 inclusive < 1302032460 252514 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity: the interpreter i'm using uses 32bit integers < 1302032469 399028 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that CAN go negative < 1302032469 892650 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that interpreter sucks, get a new one :) < 1302032475 478257 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,>,<[>[-<->>]<<].>.!ab < 1302032487 101360 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose i should fix that loop first! < 1302032487 756604 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1302032493 319829 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how it terminates is it moves to the left of v1, because it doesn't enter the inner loop < 1302032497 214035 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's true! < 1302032502 615137 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the requirement is actually (0,v1,v2,0) < 1302032504 946188 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should do > right after < 1302032515 163734 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity, let's assume there is no negative < 1302032521 981151 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,>,<[>[-<->>]<<]>.>.!ab < 1302032522 131770 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1302032525 595896 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada! < 1302032529 875899 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,>,<[>[-<->>]<<]>.>.!ab < 1302032530 26415 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1302032535 311876 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into ctcp :P < 1302032539 996808 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: let's say the tape is (0, v1, v2, 0) < 1302032550 301436 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: then >[>[-<->>]<<]> will do what you want < 1302032552 285571 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending up on the v1 cell < 1302032555 779817 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1302032559 229609 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first value can be whatever < 1302032560 818528 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have to be 0 < 1302032564 268120 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1302032564 968745 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1302032566 285625 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be 0 < 1302032571 125716 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,>,<[>[-<->>]<<]>.>.!ba < 1302032571 286042 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1302032576 785231 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Received a CTCP from fungot (to #esoteric) < 1302032577 396201 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ chrono/ zzo38/ mainpage the actual ui has something to do that anyway < 1302032578 132843 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does work :) < 1302032581 567170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem is you don't know where you stop, but that's kinda easy < 1302032585 959933 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't output properly < 1302032591 747345 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: er, yes you do? < 1302032592 557732 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302032594 103231 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1302032594 530037 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MatrixOfSolidity < 1302032596 743701 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's kinda :/ < 1302032599 151828 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well oklopol can fix it < 1302032603 597717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy < 1302032619 775955 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302032621 928100 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck at bf though < 1302032625 577490 :MatrixOfSolidity!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1302032625 743179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, at least if you don't care about size < 1302032633 226041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi NICK :ICAREABOUTSIZE < 1302032639 307158 :ICAREABOUTSIZE!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1302032641 933707 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1302032643 247412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized that was retarded < 1302032645 382330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1302032658 109761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: why do you keep pinging me without any message < 1302032662 583475 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err sorry < 1302032667 666029 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot what i was going to say < 1302032675 750138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnjoyBeingLocked: [[This is quite true, you won't find ones complement. IBM pushed this through. In the early years, Mathematicians dominated the field. In the one's complement setup, a negative zero can result. "BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING !!" the mathematicians exclaim. That always tickled me. They go along with all kinds of obscure and arcane advances, like "imaginary" numbers. But this they couldn't < 1302032675 900667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : swallow.]] < 1302032678 255998 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ba puts v0 and v1 to b and a respectively < 1302032679 491849 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1302032693 66091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't care, you can just walk say two steps left, and have (0, 1, 0, v_1, v_2, 0), then search for the leftmost 0 < 1302032693 717130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1302032700 83886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: it does nothing, that's just input syntax < 1302032705 283301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog!input means "run prog with input" < 1302032716 695113 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh im slow < 1302032717 660826 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l0l < 1302032741 867457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah do what oklopol said I guess :P < 1302032744 929043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want this for anyway < 1302032747 887464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to compute |a-b|? < 1302032757 368239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or err < 1302032759 62777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302032998 3410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EnjoyBeingLocked: definitely gonna go for tedious, not relaxing < 1302033010 113268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302033016 67717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining an ast structure might be even more tedious actually < 1302033311 823295 :EnjoyBeingLocked!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :ZOMGMODULES < 1302033372 590474 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on the language < 1302033380 361233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: C < 1302033387 456377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure _why_ C, but C < 1302033389 135629 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno man, should be relaxing < 1302033407 96431 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like drumming... it has a cadence < 1302033411 597714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i...'ve never even really thought of C as anything that i could possibly ever file under relaxing < 1302033420 997926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're speaking english, right? < 1302033421 148598 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS THE WISDOM OF ZOMGMODULES. HEED IT < 1302033440 386087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's possibly made worse by the fact that it's a programming language I'm specifying. < 1302033455 94386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, damn, this would be so much easier if i could just write the compiler in itself and use it without any bootstrapping! < 1302033457 957029 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your grammar is pretty much established? < 1302033478 951112 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote it out? on paper? < 1302033484 286383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: well, the bootstrap grammar is pretty much established. i'm not going to try fun stuff until i rewrite the compiler in the language. < 1302033488 574075 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun: HFCS at half soda concentration vs. Table sugar at full soda concentration. < 1302033494 467511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i...write it out, no, but I've pretty much stolen Smalltalk's grammar < 1302033496 769468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now < 1302033521 275411 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to write it out, preferably on paper but also in a comment block at the top of the source is acceptable, or it won't be relaxing. < 1302033545 130561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1302033550 744821 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the wisdom < 1302033553 583335 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And no, that wasn't study from corn refiner's association).. < 1302033585 857720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: pretty impressive ass you have there, with all the ideas you pull out of it ;;;;::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDdddddddddddd < 1302033591 383686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry sorry *wisdom < 1302033599 768268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;DDDDDDd < 1302033600 589651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd < 1302033624 139577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, parsing smalltalk is actually quite a pain < 1302033643 266156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of (foo a: b) vs. (foo a: b c: d). < 1302033754 527649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302033756 48690 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the only problem with your example is that you don't know which variable is the one that's not empty < 1302033772 834994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: well like oklopol said, if you just put a 1 after some 0s you can synchronis < 1302033773 529095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1302033780 736568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302033783 388309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: with yacc-like things, if you have like, [a; b; c] and {a; b; c} both as blocks < 1302033785 33414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need two rules < 1302033789 262433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz one ends with RBRACKET and the other RBRACE < 1302033794 548080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302033795 693452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do < 1302033797 52159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo ::= . < 1302033797 874329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute! < 1302033896 414178 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ACKNOWLEDGES NOT THESE "YACC-LIKE THINGS"
< 1302033915 347522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU WRITE THIS PARSER RECURSIVE-DESCENT < 1302033919 165520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOSTLY BECAUSE IT WOULD SAVE ME FROM DOING SO < 1302033994 102601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo i totally have it down apart from like < 1302033995 101635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :operators < 1302033997 72650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and method calls < 1302033998 85918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. everything < 1302034039 96118 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :void parse() { if(tokeq("["){expect("["); parse_list(); expect("]");} else if (tokeq("{"){expect("{"); parse_list(); expect("}");} else error(); } < 1302034048 908887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: no i don't mean that < 1302034052 559929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302034054 368919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire grammar < 1302034073 993290 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302034076 136637 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :void parse_list() { parse_elem(); while(tokeq(";")){ expect(";"); parse_elem(); } } < 1302034101 511651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :program := exprs. expr := #ident | ^expr | (expr) | [block] | ident := expr | message | literal. < 1302034118 739169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :block := (optional: | var var var ... |) expr . block | expr | < 1302034129 131144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :message := dem smalltalk thangles < 1302034133 542726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1302034142 422436 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to, it's very relaxing. unfortunately, can't spend all day here < 1302034159 195612 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though 'dem smalltalk thangles' is a little underspecified for my taste < 1302034195 382777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: message is expr messagepart* < 1302034208 314406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :messagepart is either ident without :, or ident ending in : and having no other :s in it followed by an expr < 1302034222 145774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking ugly to specify because you have to have constraints on the ident inside the actual thing < 1302034235 49297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's messagepart+, not *. < 1302034236 417720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1302034284 422819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jbMF hey i think i did it < 1302034302 634400 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol < 1302034313 192897 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me out here, because i don't really understand your example ;\ < 1302034343 789235 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to divide v1 by v2, but the problem i'm having is that v1 goes negative and the loop never ends < 1302034344 775301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm just that elliott's code can end on top of either the leftmost 0 or v1 if you start with (0, _v1_, v2, 0) < 1302034349 35144 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just accept ident or ident: interchangeably and filter out the bad stuff at the static analysis phase < 1302034353 496381 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's legal < 1302034361 263401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: oh that's not the problem < 1302034371 182909 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey,... ghci's "let" does something like that, right oerjan? < 1302034374 89373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that some dickhead could say "foo a:b: c" < 1302034375 635581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually < 1302034380 934247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo a:b c:d" should parse properly < 1302034382 585216 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's good enough for ghci it's good enough for me < 1302034386 247016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that a:b and c:d will parse as one ident < 1302034387 399430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :euuurgh < 1302034395 691145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should have two types of ident < 1302034397 367846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ident and symbol < 1302034398 848934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbol allows :s < 1302034399 785169 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a dumb grammar < 1302034400 88143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just move two steps left and then do a search to the left for a 0, have 0, 1, 0, v1, v2, 0 as the initial tape < 1302034400 252164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ident doesn't < 1302034404 676680 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll know where the head is < 1302034405 551163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: that's smalltalk < 1302034413 460917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: really :s are banned in identifiers altogether < 1302034416 432146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: it's just that they're valid _symbols_ < 1302034417 704517 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's our Smalltalk!" < 1302034419 880541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. #foo:bar: is an ok symbol < 1302034423 992453 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION canned laughter
< 1302034426 61834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but foo:bar: is so not an ok identifier. < 1302034430 230731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't know which one went to zero, but you can check that by looking at them... < 1302034432 720301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really what i need to do is handle # at the lexer phase < 1302034440 433691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn #foo:bar: into SYMBOL("foo:bar:") < 1302034450 929340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turn foo:bar: into IDENT("foo") COLON IDENT("bar") COLON < 1302034453 360141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's much nicer < 1302034459 761897 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty much why i never got into smalltalk < 1302034470 351504 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this very part of it seemed unnecessarily brutal < 1302034476 185253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what par < 1302034477 4193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1302034482 264090 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'s < 1302034484 110970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it was my token's fault :) < 1302034489 357238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for not distinguishing idents and symbols < 1302034498 955421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hmm, i dunno < 1302034500 465009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it brutal < 1302034511 750233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like how you can't arrange parts? < 1302034521 916164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and really i want a multi-dispatch thing but that's too much for my brain to jam together right now < 1302034533 700451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll finish writing up this yacc-style grammar then recursive descend on it < 1302034534 545075 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain just does not think like that < 1302034562 966973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: well, it's nicer than /python's/ approach to the "argument positions are meaningless" problem. < 1302034565 173139 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the same label mechanism for all those things < 1302034571 84942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1302034575 127498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i don't get you :) < 1302034583 126050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddya mean < 1302034586 431748 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok. it's been a long time and i don't remember < 1302034603 479692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now the grammar is perfectly sanified < 1302034607 234437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from being left-recursive. < 1302034617 309835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know how you're meant to do < 1302034625 748118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr ::= IDENT EQUALS expr < 1302034626 405008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302034628 921645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not left-recursive :D < 1302034634 106646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :body(A) ::= expr(B) DOT body(C). {...;} < 1302034634 257397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :body(A) ::= expr(B). {...;} < 1302034634 257562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :body(A) ::= . {...;} < 1302034637 93261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that looks... kind of easy? < 1302034645 250486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302034645 768998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1302034648 908088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kinda hard < 1302034769 607862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302034775 672668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1302034780 614905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke the CHIQRSX9+ article < 1302034786 209123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now impossible to access it < 1302034788 343378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, MediaWiki! < 1302034795 647460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9%2B ;; click for fun < 1302034926 863163 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if I agree with the sentiment that adding a random number to every character in your program and interpreting it as Perl counts as your language being "Turing-complete" < 1302034960 475481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, it _is_ a joke < 1302034969 912299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1302034972 612503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be accessed from http://esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9_Plus < 1302034976 768560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't do a hard redirect < 1302034994 706107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still can't be moved though < 1302034995 692612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressi < 1302034996 189934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ve < 1302035012 579765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1302035012 972451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=CHIQRSX9%2B < 1302035036 530222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed! < 1302035050 166843 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1302035052 459539 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stuck here < 1302035059 436922 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me out mate < 1302035061 459126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: what was wrong with oklopol's solution? < 1302035069 360624 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how it works < 1302035072 722267 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302035100 496466 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefor i can't write it out < 1302035170 621042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well assuming you have 0 1 0 v1 v2 0 just do elliott's, and then append <<[<] < 1302035172 345842 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey,... ghci's "let" does something like that, right oerjan? <-- well that's what it looked like... < 1302035182 710512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int block() { < 1302035182 861065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (accept(PIPE)) < 1302035182 861267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (1) < 1302035182 861377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (accept(PIPE)) < 1302035182 861484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1302035183 11826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else if (!accept(IDENT)) < 1302035184 797387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 0; < 1302035186 935454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: look at dat lack of braces < 1302035277 457383 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C needs a ";;" operator that is a high-precedence ";" to avoid the need for braces < 1302035290 670274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: and we could call it ocaml < 1302035292 673529 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (x==y) printf("hi") ;; printf("there") < 1302035300 730515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you stack ;s arbitrarily? < 1302035302 46605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1302035310 40679 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uh < 1302035311 275266 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURWE < 1302035314 485231 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SURE < 1302035321 613123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, if/while/etc. are { < 1302035323 677672 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more ;'s the higher the precedence < 1302035331 99675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ;^(n+1) is }^n < 1302035334 425850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302035335 478516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;}^n < 1302035338 455732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY TO BREAK YOUR DREAMS < 1302035351 807947 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's not quite my vision < 1302035356 484094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302035359 33280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for tarnishing it < 1302035362 1136 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated c and metalanguage < 1302035369 338941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg having comments in the ast is the best idea ever < 1302035371 360294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302035378 398116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so you can't just put comments in ANY old place now < 1302035380 394674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1302035381 438836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302035383 133431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like!!! < 1302035390 530569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like docstrings, except not stupid! < 1302035452 151947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently richard dawkins is on the vpri board of advisors < 1302035452 975236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNEW < 1302035459 173173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302035460 392193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like < 1302035462 399603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual richard dawkins < 1302035467 104629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was just some guy with the same name < 1302035481 456621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302035492 312158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why he's on the board? < 1302035509 984324 :gnidan!~gnidan@65.217.154.226 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302035523 223771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vpri.org/images/people/board/vpri_ppl_24.jpg < 1302035524 43911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vpri.org/images/people/board/vpri_ppl_20.jpg < 1302035526 507196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with these kinds of beards < 1302035530 725841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vpri.org/images/people/board/vpri_ppl_07.jpg < 1302035535 693779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why hasn't vpri invented the next big language yet! < 1302035564 340535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://piumarta.com/cv/xyzzy.jpg < 1302035565 17681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh < 1302035570 956603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they've had a beard overflow < 1302035575 50865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving them with negative beard < 1302035621 398816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ian assembled and ran his first program at the age of 13 on a DEC PDP-10" ;; what kinda 13 year old gets access to a pdp-10 < 1302035774 539754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's vpri? < 1302035786 71462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Viewpoints Research Institute < 1302035853 555737 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do research on viewpoints < 1302035871 76862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. actually i think they prefer the acronym VRI but i like vpri better. also it's their domain name < 1302035876 922700 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We found that a certain percentage of the population hold one opinion, while the rest hold another." < 1302035881 974593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prefer" = their web page uses VRI < 1302035894 758818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: careful. alan kay might punch you < 1302035895 252564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's ZOMGMODULES < 1302035903 766833 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your eventual skill at something is determined by the age at which you pick it up, then my calling is definitely programming. < 1302035904 880291 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION IS ZOMGMODULES
< 1302035923 108904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Not, say, using the toilet? < 1302035923 297329 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover YOU ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS < 1302035931 291535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must have been programming pretty early on, then. < 1302035945 646659 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your point has goodness. < 1302035971 137840 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your eventual skill at a trade or art is determined . . . programming. < 1302035999 278442 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TRY /whois < 1302036000 309049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302036006 201024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Did you just ELIDE LOGIC < 1302036023 920567 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you can figure out what my ellipsis represents. < 1302036025 396178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES! < 1302036025 898677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: wait your name is Christopher? kinda assumed you were always just Chris THIS IS LOGICAL OK < 1302036071 385388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's ZOMGMODULES? < 1302036080 798511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Z. Omg Modules < 1302036084 248865 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not Christ; he's the -opher of Christ. < 1302036085 564750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Z stands for Christopher < 1302036086 395533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, who else do I greet with exclamations! < 1302036091 937413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your mom < 1302036095 248376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, that's actually the etymology. < 1302036097 714071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally. < 1302036102 967977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll opher YOUR Christ < 1302036109 520334 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, I just looked it up. :) < 1302036135 739272 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how "Christopher" is sometimes shortened to "Chris" and sometimes to "Topher". < 1302036138 10974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Christopher_icon.jpg < 1302036150 185735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: FSVO sometimes equal to never. < 1302036155 325707 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1302036155 786103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, you're named after a werewolf. < 1302036164 214797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: So, like your parents then? < 1302036165 643296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA < 1302036172 684666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1302036175 192297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :351) elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1302036184 211865 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quotable? < 1302036189 322741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i laughed. < 1302036198 86791 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like... it's like someone who invents the name "Wafflecarrot" based on the words "waffle" and "carrot", and then people named Wafflecarrot start being called Waff and Lecarrot. < 1302036202 57570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear, with our powers combined, together #esoteric is a mediocre comedian that doesn't know when to shut up and doesn't know when it's being funny or not < 1302036203 922480 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was an awful analogy on my part. I apologize. < 1302036205 912214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could capitalise on this < 1302036208 390534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most amusing thing: take male names and add -ina. < 1302036218 875095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's common enough you get a legitimate female name. < 1302036222 909270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: WHO SHORTENS CHRISTOPHER TO TOPHER < 1302036228 475808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Christopherina < 1302036230 319520 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Topher Grace? < 1302036234 907829 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ask Topher Grace's shortners. < 1302036236 646366 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :s//e/ < 1302036236 984336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottina < 1302036239 281600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackina < 1302036246 306881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tannerina. < 1302036250 674123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tannerina is catchy < 1302036251 858454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantomina < 1302036253 94165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: villeina < 1302036257 238533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjanina < 1302036257 893184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;DDDDD < 1302036263 824376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooverina < 1302036267 128550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was gonna go for phantomina < 1302036268 198964 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The female form of Tanner is Tanress. :P < 1302036268 527906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooverina is nice < 1302036269 843804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oklopol preempted me < 1302036271 33601 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which werewolf would that be? < 1302036274 687424 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklorina of time < 1302036277 185240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vagina < 1302036281 203206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, all those men named Vag < 1302036292 706302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. < 1302036296 194335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsnerina < 1302036296 526106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oerjanina <-- In Swedish (and possibly Norwegian) you would add -ida instead < 1302036299 459040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: your real name is olsner right < 1302036300 580514 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is news to me < 1302036306 264716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope < 1302036314 159290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, at least quite often < 1302036316 123875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. < 1302036317 297646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :352) ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. < 1302036318 787246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO FUNNY TODAY < 1302036328 981588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvidida. < 1302036330 791718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what is it then!!!! < 1302036333 284434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *ina < 1302036337 134424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvidina < 1302036340 806581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASICALLY THIS "-INA" THING IS TOTAL BULLSHIT < 1302036342 120814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036342 285424 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036342 448540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036342 617138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036342 778109 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036344 294820 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036344 455878 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036344 787923 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036344 950326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302036347 493293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oina < 1302036347 644135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Arvida" though exists. I think it gets combined in there. < 1302036361 603490 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why i did that oing < 1302036364 114846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adamhnanina. < 1302036379 193915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i was like OMG IF I SPAM NOW I'LL GET TO SEE 23:45:67 < 1302036383 784356 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE TIME STAMPMGEG < 1302036406 53401 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom's name is Peggy because one of her parents wanted her to be named Margaret, and the other threatened to call her Maggie if they did that. < 1302036408 970325 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, like... < 1302036410 296765 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hey the HA HA HA is supposed to come _after_ the wafflecarrot. know your memes! < 1302036411 975027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so what's your second name! < 1302036429 948561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :McHoover. < 1302036435 868433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I've become less googleable since last time I tried < 1302036436 609452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is her second name Sue DID BUDDY HOLLY MAKE A SONG ABOUT YOUR MOTHER < 1302036438 441495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why i asked that < 1302036439 426066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1302036440 907208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1302036443 266111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is SO OLD < 1302036444 914041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: FAT < 1302036449 589334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so smooth < 1302036456 137912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Adamhnan McHoover. best name < 1302036472 989156 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to name her Margaret." "I will not let you do that. If you do, I will have to release the ultimate weapon... CALLING HER MAGGIE." "No! ANYTHING but Maggie! We'll name her Peggy, how's that?" "Fine by me." < 1302036477 239781 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nobody knows what her second name is. < 1302036495 106016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have called her Adamhnanina < 1302036502 7558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the origin of Nina < 1302036504 875830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can disprove that! < 1302036545 952004 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that this channel never quotes Internet memes. < 1302036567 116935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no u < 1302036572 405758 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1302036575 469782 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302036580 230927 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example that proves the rule. < 1302036580 493717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possibly the best thing about this channel < 1302036580 985369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, all your meme are not belong to us. < 1302036587 76728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :peggy could be short for peregrina < 1302036597 12051 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover just demonstrated the exception that proves the rule. < 1302036599 160808 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oerjanina <-- In Swedish (and possibly Norwegian) you would add -ida instead <-- i don't think femininizing Ørjan really works with any suffix, although possibilities include -a, -e and -ine. < 1302036603 614145 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything proves the rule, you see. I'm right no matter what. < 1302036608 317782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom proves the rule < 1302036614 99821 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1302036620 415251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so basically Ørjan is already as female as it gets? < 1302036634 28210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah, it's the \omega of manliness. < 1302036683 84723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this subreddit all read? (self.Norway) < 1302036683 905362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thinking, why not make it a little blue and white and fjords and snowmen and stuff? < 1302036687 697517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WAS THIS YOUR DOING < 1302036687 906227 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Ørjanette? < 1302036708 323624 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to feminize a name is by taking off the -er and replacing it with -ress. < 1302036716 943765 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about that way is that it works for ANY NAME. < 1302036720 473432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adamhnan(ANTI-ER)ress < 1302036725 896949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOORAY FOR ANTISTRINGS < 1302036728 287835 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoovress. olsnress. See? < 1302036739 649900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsnress is an impressive name, pronunciation-wise < 1302036763 962231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hm that might also work < 1302036782 405344 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adamhnanr^-1e^-1ress. < 1302036787 121260 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letters form a group, right? < 1302036788 935615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :olshfpngress < 1302036832 69390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: erm, they are not even closed under multiplication < 1302036846 736816 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letters generate a group, right? < 1302036859 43376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing wrong with doing english over the free group < 1302036874 775562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int block() { < 1302036875 111208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (accept(PIPE)) < 1302036875 261429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (!accept(PIPE)) < 1302036875 261610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (!accept(IDENT)) < 1302036875 773219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 0; < 1302036879 884401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (expr() && accept(DOT)); < 1302036881 849928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : expr(); /* optional */ < 1302036883 170543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they form the free group with base size 26 < 1302036883 827420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 1; < 1302036885 962020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1302036887 944282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might be right < 1302036954 81024 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302036988 571415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: IS THAT RIGHT, O WISE RECURSIVELY-DESCENDING MASTER < 1302036992 112215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write the better kind of parser < 1302036994 73419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(recursive ascent) < 1302037007 306539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive accent < 1302037017 705107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe recursive ascent was invented before descent < 1302037019 740281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just boggles the mind :) < 1302037029 852175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, I've read a number... guess I should check if there's an operator after me" < 1302037042 184096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey there is! ok, i just read an operator... guess a number would be good" < 1302037081 965830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1302037084 768717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302037134 467803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, reading /r/norway totally equips me to talk to oerjan like i'm a norwegian! < 1302037148 739121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, maria amelie! that was totally part of one of the headlines! < 1302037150 212196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1302037152 40810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1302037154 885841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn this subreddit sucks < 1302037155 375865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1302037156 106826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stamps!! < 1302037172 374205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where to buy live snails in Oslo, or Norway in general?" < 1302037191 507172 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ¿cuántas lenguas conoces? < 1302037204 241272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, I recant all my linguistic coconuts. < 1302037209 208134 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130094.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302037218 79267 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott I AM STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE ENGLISH GROUP < 1302037220 893171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HEY REACT TO ME, I'M FROM NORWAY < 1302037244 149328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you chant in the coconut language? < 1302037254 343267 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Spanish for "what is the number of languages that you have come to have a significant understanding of". < 1302037257 519218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: bro. < 1302037270 165359 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"á" means "number of", for example. < 1302037278 811727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 1, or lots if you include languages that computers can understand :-P < 1302037290 864648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have this plan thing to learn Japanese that will never happen because oklopol keeps HARSHING < 1302037291 523463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY < 1302037292 177931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIBES < 1302037302 499387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel those harshed vibes oklopol < 1302037306 623980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at what you're doing to mefw;gdh < 1302037316 182792 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does your accept() have a side-effect < 1302037325 553553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: accept() is < 1302037334 993455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (curtok == whatyousaid) eatitup() < 1302037339 794963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return 1 < 1302037341 434797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise return 0 < 1302037355 179273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect() is just if (!accept()) BALLLK, but i haven't used expect yet i don't think < 1302037380 741014 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. i always use expect(), and never accept() < 1302037392 423059 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use tokeq() which doesn't consume < 1302037397 261368 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer side-effects in tests < 1302037398 237073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: well i copied accept() from wikipedia :) but accept is actually quite nice i think < 1302037402 999144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can just do like < 1302037407 617684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (accept(one_thing)) ...handle that... < 1302037410 486724 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like side-effects in tests, SURE < 1302037411 848805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :else if (accept(another_thing)) ... < 1302037415 645978 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. seems like there is no actual parsing reason why C should require parens around an if expression < 1302037422 877857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: if (ident() && accept(COLON) && expr()) return 1; < 1302037432 146144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: (ok so that wouldn't be as nice-looking in practice cuz you have to build an ast, but that's not bad) < 1302037442 916264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should i point out that _i_ don't read r/norway? < 1302037447 501440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1302037448 488717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expect < 1302037452 176930 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: consider if foo (bar); < 1302037461 131747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: MARIA AMELIE < 1302037480 867281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bar an argument list to foo, or the body coming after the boolean expression foo? < 1302037489 624652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int messagepart() { < 1302037489 775444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (!ident()) return 0; < 1302037489 775641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (accept(COLON)) return expr(); < 1302037489 775748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : else return 1; < 1302037489 775850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1302037491 212910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: PRETTY < 1302037512 584402 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@209.150.235.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302037534 860814 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I didn't realize there could be whitespace before the function parms.. good one < 1302037574 170378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes yes i've heard about maria amelie < 1302037580 143228 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302037584 679436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SEE < 1302037588 87619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN CONSERVE LIK EA NORWEGIAN < 1302037590 600375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, converse < 1302037595 201613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: really? clearly you've never read GNU code! < 1302037601 497968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (the_most_awesome (oh_yes)) < 1302037602 212674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1302037606 155447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf ("oh yes!\n"); < 1302037606 978882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1302037620 396528 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's true.. I hardly ever look at gnu code < 1302037623 193118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1302037628 480958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: your sanity thanks you :) < 1302037630 948195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ugly :( < 1302037680 227614 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I took almost all day to come up with two lines of code < 1302037692 754444 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a victim of norway's strict immigration and asylum policies. < 1302037697 193752 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302037729 86841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: http://sprunge.us/iQeM hey this grammar is actually pretty simple < 1302037737 20295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't actually build an ast and has ... for all the simple parts, but :) < 1302037743 528259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also probably doesn't work, I think I need more expects < 1302037745 49472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid like < 1302037746 200062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite loops < 1302037752 18253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :expects are kind of like cuts in prolog < 1302037764 196683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we don't get this token here THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS VALID, don't tell the function we have to try something else, just die < 1302037795 452049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol @ norwegians complaining about their country's politics not being liberal enough < 1302037796 498239 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your tests consume tokens, you won't have infinite loops < 1302037824 814016 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you have THAT assurance, with those side-effects < 1302037827 689855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i briefly googled it and failed to come up with any info on why she actually applied for asylum, though < 1302037834 762565 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well the policy is being loosened up a tiny bit because of her. < 1302037838 368286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i'm practically a nazi < 1302037847 544359 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: she didn't, her parents did when she was a child < 1302037850 45259 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :expects are... more like exit()s in C < 1302037850 262690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair < 1302037853 701749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, same thing < 1302037865 314176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: right but like if you have a < 1302037870 513391 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do some fancy catching thing with them < 1302037872 82904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (expr()); < 1302037875 55626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return accept(FOO); < 1302037875 979284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like < 1302037877 831582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the expr be < 1302037878 77081 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case they're more like throw < 1302037883 39883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abc. < 1302037887 848096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abc.] < 1302037888 175686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say < 1302037892 329956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way that'd valid < 1302037895 205642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll look for a FOO < 1302037897 355896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it won't find < 1302037899 1193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus returning false < 1302037899 329442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1302037902 780298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it will fail at the top level < 1302037906 356792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh < 1302037908 194186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be like < 1302037912 708116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"found ], but I was expecting EOF or expression!" < 1302037912 935632 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will eventually run out of tokens < 1302037916 913021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'll fail at the top level < 1302037922 408720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: accept doesn't consume if it doesn't match < 1302037932 999378 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1302037935 164872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically from now on, you can apply for work permit in norway even if you've been thrown out for not getting asylum.) < 1302037935 609499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my point is, I think expect gives you nicer error messages < 1302037943 904307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise errors bubble up to the top error < 1302037966 172248 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS WHY ZOMGMODULES USES IT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY < 1302037973 832061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: GOOD ADVICE < 1302037979 145871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*top level < 1302037987 402581 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even do things like { if tokeq(";") { expect(";"); ... } } < 1302037992 558596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302037996 319524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, accept < 1302038002 431763 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplicity > efficiency < 1302038038 293911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: um but that's exactly what accept is :D < 1302038046 879432 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302038047 778816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically it doesn't re-compare the current token < 1302038062 59823 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why accept is an UNNECESSARY < 1302038095 851205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: BLAHHH < 1302038099 61843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still juiceful < 1302038108 519663 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ... < 1302038119 583074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: so your routines, do they call the tokeniser or does the tokeniser call it? < 1302038135 868726 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :void parse_foo() { expect("foo"); } void parse_bar() { if (tokeq("foo")) parse_foo(); } < 1302038146 997123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that d. richard hipp guy thinks the latter is totally more cooler < 1302038152 865221 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 NICK :You_got_AIDS < 1302038156 416489 :You_got_AIDS!~tach@81.200.61.23 NICK :Tachycek < 1302038161 639465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: i already had aids :'( < 1302038174 42043 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and how was it like ? < 1302038177 461856 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it sexy ? < 1302038183 768534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: yes. almost painfully. < 1302038187 642767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: actually with recursive descent the latter would only be possible with continuations i think :D < 1302038189 87717 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I call the tokenizer, generally < 1302038189 994932 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically the norwegian government refuses to acknowledge the obvious fact that some people may not actually _agree_ when it decides they won't be in danger if sent back, and punishes them for acting rationally on that disagreement, whether or not they're correct. < 1302038192 375802 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1302038194 480190 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got it < 1302038201 499848 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with something continuation-like, anyway < 1302038204 859059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: which means: we need that C continuation lib! < 1302038215 307162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I APPROVE OF MY PROBLEM-SOLVING METHOD < 1302038222 448229 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once, in Erlang, I did neither. I had the lexer and parser be seperate processes which messaged each other < 1302038235 863201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, punishes them how? I FEEL OUT OF MY LEAGUE, I THOUGHT SKIMMING /R/NORWAY WOULD PREPARE ME FULLY FOR THIS STRANGE CROSS-CULTURAL EXPERIENCE < 1302038242 152027 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tell me more about the HAARP treatment it surely arouses me < 1302038242 811237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: that's ... almost beautifully hideous < 1302038261 537777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachycek: basically we had to have sex with goats while the whole room vibrated. < 1302038270 707796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S HOW EVIL THE GOVERNMENT IS < 1302038279 235087 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes < 1302038282 521917 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats so sad < 1302038287 12920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad like my elbow < 1302038317 893336 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how disappointed the room should have been that it is not a vibrator and cannot go into your ass < 1302038323 237043 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must < 1302038333 80585 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is crying
< 1302038341 605842 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302038516 335214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: so does writing a compiler that compiles to machine code hurts? < 1302038522 292531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you've done it. < 1302038542 557553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, without libc < 1302038547 229323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make an assembler dsl thing... < 1302038799 871635 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I shall work on that IRC bot. < 1302038808 802050 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That darnèd IRC bot. < 1302038835 897247 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302038836 47514 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302038904 633301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending /this/ message. < 1302038945 637124 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message is the medium < 1302038970 266996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending no message. < 1302038998 386844 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: you rock < 1302039012 982846 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is hoping a dozen debug windows just opened up for tswett
< 1302039047 219453 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> ZOMGMODULES: so does writing a compiler that compiles to machine code hurts? <-- no, not really... depends, I guess < 1302039066 801278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot, I dismiss you. < 1302039068 612190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what was it. < 1302039071 773549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: you are dismissed. < 1302039075 222846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302039091 660492 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302039093 535175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: yeah but my compiler has to have, liek, two backends! < 1302039102 413103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: x86-64/linux and x86-64/NOTHING < 1302039114 646947 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, tswettbot ran successfully again. < 1302039119 829626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i decided that bootstrapping a compiler on linux is more productive for @ than writing an optimising compiler in x86-64 assembly) < 1302039123 522113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1302039143 162561 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then it's not, generally speaking, that painful... everything is partitioned nicely. < 1302039145 868056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c interpreter of lang -> compiler from lang to x86-64/linux written in lang -> write a freestanding backend -> prophet < 1302039151 926310 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexer, parser, ast, codegen. < 1302039162 710263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: oh the compiler parts don't scare me. < 1302039166 45987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the x86-64 machine code part. < 1302039173 638820 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's if you want to do it all "narrow" where it gets hairy < 1302039174 315351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i refuse to use assembly because i want a repl :)) < 1302039182 454900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah like < 1302039185 327132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be all < 1302039191 656699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self lolCode: 3243482349234 < 1302039193 987301 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing too painful about generating x86 code, is there? < 1302039196 358326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1302039201 536335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: well no. but i want mnemonics! < 1302039204 239347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generating those will be painful. < 1302039216 258057 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to generate assembler? < 1302039247 888372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: no. < 1302039257 729593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i want to generate machine code using an assembler-ish dsl < 1302039260 389605 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you lost me at "mnemonics" < 1302039262 616968 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302039273 78034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self mov: eax : 42. < 1302039282 328221 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you done threading with Smalltalk? < 1302039287 159285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self mov: eax : ebx value. < 1302039290 447767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :self mov: eax : (ebx + 1) value. < 1302039294 29773 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you (in effect) want to write an assembler, and generate assembly for that assembler < 1302039297 298019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no. why'd you want to? < 1302039298 410391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302039307 224226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: yes. that's true. but i don't want to _generate_ it, i want to invoke its routines directly. < 1302039310 26100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit different < 1302039316 865082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: and the assembler doesn't actually have to be convenient... < 1302039320 670839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, (ebx + 1) value could be < 1302039323 668030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebx valueOffset: 1 < 1302039325 271168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know < 1302039327 675994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTHER PAINFUL THINGS < 1302039332 676705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't actually need mov < 1302039333 512330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs like < 1302039336 636601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :movl < 1302039347 495940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :corollary: at&t syntax assemblers are not real assemblers, they are low-level APIs :) < 1302039352 284564 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then you are writing a codegen. < 1302039358 54480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes i am. < 1302039365 216160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. the plain english codegen just does things like < 1302039371 39830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel $8C98HF9398FN398HG98EH9JQ < 1302039378 398697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be the kind of person who does that. < 1302039382 480349 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a codegen with an API whose entry points have names that mnemonics. much like, well, every API < 1302039387 386278 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that are < 1302039390 744941 :cheater-!~cheater@e181130094.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302039398 973314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i want to write a codegen backend and an actual codegen < 1302039400 501719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302039404 824962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mylang->machine code < 1302039406 303634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses < 1302039410 118845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunch of methods->machine code < 1302039432 20261 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many codegens that let you switch out backends to target a different architecture. if that's what you're saying < 1302039434 142384 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049165.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302039441 892660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: no no no. < 1302039445 881357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to write an api so i can do < 1302039460 704947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x86 movd: eax : 42. < 1302039462 532019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1302039463 580956 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I'm... oh, never mind. < 1302039471 340968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : x86 code: 8394784 < 1302039482 139519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that api sounds like a pain to generate. i guess i could hand-code it < 1302039483 452833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: :-P < 1302039496 547381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: If you're doing it to process each individual line to all the handlers, I think doing it synchronously is cleaner. < 1302039502 380934 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've basically coded that API (in C, not Smalltalk) < 1302039503 73099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the handlers forking off if they're going to do some complex computation < 1302039512 611144 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302039512 801365 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302039529 142099 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot, WITH GREAT PREJUDICE AND ANGER. < 1302039530 455947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: sure. it's easy enough for a subset. just IDEALLY i'd generate it from the big instruction table things :) < 1302039534 650978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the imm8/r and that kind of stuff < 1302039538 436609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immr/8. whatever. < 1302039542 946268 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: what, you want a period after that? You're not getting one. < 1302039549 293893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302039555 559917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES IT ONLY LISTEN TO YOU < 1302039559 678683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYYYY < 1302039563 534177 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generating it from an instruction table, yes: I've never done that and it would have some nice to it. < 1302039571 843132 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It listens to everyone equally. < 1302039577 761494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would... have... some... nice... to... it? < 1302039593 216 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION SAYS ONLY EXACTLY WHAT ZOMGMODULES MEANS
< 1302039599 931628 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. I dismiss you, tswettbot. I dismiss... is this working? < 1302039607 322883 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: :( < 1302039618 82442 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION DISMISSES TSWETTBOT!!!!
< 1302039621 72773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you, tswettbot < 1302039623 407019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to the haters < 1302039625 252647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ZOMGMODULES fits better in here than most of the regulars < 1302039629 664162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's dance off into the sunrise together < 1302039630 978942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: xD < 1302039632 303217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed! < 1302039644 648372 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true < 1302039653 751267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody tell him. < 1302039674 182113 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this one. < 1302039682 390278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is nothing that we're not telling you, btw < 1302039684 675160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just clearing that up < 1302039686 895409 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302039687 45861 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302039691 500774 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302039699 25392 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** you, tswettbot. < 1302039701 490371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope that isn't true, knowing every fact in existence would be a huge drain < 1302039718 408252 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :(message includesSubString: 'I dismiss you, tswettbot') ifTrue: [bot quit]. < 1302039719 557773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0 =/= 1. 0 =/= 2. 0 =/= 3. 0 =/= 4. < 1302039729 270238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what does bot quit do? < 1302039732 582813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the source < 1302039753 208923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Smalltalk's ifTrue: reminds me of Unassignable < 1302039768 800361 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302039789 275768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start blocking ads, they're becoming more and more annoying. < 1302039798 825863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't block ads? < 1302039802 360904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cue ais523's incredulity) < 1302039803 17257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1302039803 508825 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit < 1302039803 659226 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream nextPutAll: 'QUIT'; crlf; flush. < 1302039803 659409 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream close. < 1302039808 444721 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's wrong, by the way. < 1302039816 702092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worthwhile doing just to prevent them slowing down page loads < 1302039820 66167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you sure message is right? :) < 1302039824 401979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: CPU-wise, or bandwidth-wise? < 1302039828 100339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ads often take longer to load than the page itself < 1302039836 722756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally not exactly bandwidth, but just response time < 1302039839 740027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true. at least not for me. < 1302039849 128574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1302039854 611504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my alternative to ad-blocking is not going to sites with obnoxious ads, really < 1302039855 762482 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was working before. :P < 1302039863 534699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, ads are a pretty good indicator of how useless a site is < 1302039871 766018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU is mostly only relevant for JS- or Flash-based ads, which are blocked incidentally by other things < 1302039884 412770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't block either :) < 1302039897 480894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they make even legitimate sites work a lot more nicely < 1302039902 353333 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302039914 751952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the main impetus for me considering blocking ads right now is livejournal < 1302039920 185260 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302039920 335613 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302039923 537600 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot3, do you even think that you're quitting? < 1302039923 702410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every other page load on livejournal greys out and shows an irritating interstitial < 1302039927 452162 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot3. < 1302039927 606571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you have to click a tiny X box to dismiss < 1302039931 922733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is _insanely_ annoying < 1302039942 704572 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1302039944 910794 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302039946 952641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use ad-blockers to block all sorts of annoyances, not just ads < 1302039961 70491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally block avatars on forums, for instance < 1302039961 536971 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really ought to give this thing a morph so I can control it. < 1302039984 12631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, avatars on forums don't bother me, 90% of a forum's UI is just ego-oriented irritatingness < 1302039990 811740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so blocking avatars wouldn't help much < 1302040003 416945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, at least punbb lets you disable avatars in preferences < 1302040010 322416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires an account, though < 1302040011 744360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of punbb < 1302040024 144040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought you were a vertical space fanatic < 1302040028 566278 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040032 9196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite popular. and what do you mean? < 1302040044 548346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how short forum posts tend to be on many forums, blocking avatars lets you show about three times as many posts in a screenful < 1302040057 400309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as otherwise the posts have to expand to make room for the avatars < 1302040060 761051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1302040067 52166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302040078 814007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most forums have large enough padding on the left and right side that with a reasonable avatar size limit there is no difference < 1302040085 621197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if it allows like 256 high avatars :P < 1302040102 411594 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I know what's happening here. < 1302040104 259412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 64 high avatars would heighten typical posts in some places < 1302040114 404207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like the maximum on this forum is 128x128 < 1302040122 669993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one i post on doesn't show the maximum and I'm too lazy to test < 1302040136 774066 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The message handler thread grabs a line, processes it, and repeats, until the line grabbed is empty. I thought the line grabbed being empty would only happen once the connection is closed, but now I think it happens if the buffer is empty. < 1302040157 782359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why's that in a thread? :p < 1302040195 712753 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302040257 689006 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040257 839552 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302040267 995585 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't want the entire VM to block every time I wait for a message. < 1302040287 332920 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot4: yo dude, shouldn't you be throwing a failed assertion right about now? < 1302040330 905837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh, right < 1302040340 484582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: shouldn't you abstract the threaded line-reader into another class? < 1302040345 530841 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot4: I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302040346 520266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some thing for setting up a callback for "line received" < 1302040356 381198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could hide the necessity of the ugly threadedness :) < 1302040358 256054 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302040374 187528 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, livejournal. < 1302040388 935422 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I dunno, it's pretty small. < 1302040395 70928 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm abstracting the message handlers into another class. < 1302040397 425059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: lots of cool people use livejournal. i'm not sure why. < 1302040404 378560 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... remote host closed the connection? Why did that happen? < 1302040411 799853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_Vutjaxx7sWT-X_rA0M5Zqe7bNiMJc4VpqmdqMIyrJzrwPrCEbHPAdQZG9OEixxe5JrXMYRAjO9iVRo3ViYAw1RsHw6TR06jwIVUGga2IJd8zS9Ttt_H0zHsnO_00EyUUxPoatRhbW1RtfVUF0oVMZqYHm1KCuA < 1302040414 560950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope ^p was right < 1302040422 627849 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040422 778186 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302040469 770408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dissmiss you, tswettbot. < 1302040470 431153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dissmiss you, tswettbot4. < 1302040475 666531 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302040479 828545 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nick is hardcoded into that message. < 1302040496 294800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the spelling, bizarrely enough. < 1302040505 821211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302040522 19319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it just figure out what i mean and do it? < 1302040549 654665 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be in tswettbot5. < 1302040553 381490 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302040572 654167 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040592 750039 :tswettbot6!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040602 908346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302040606 991635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH OF YOU < 1302040644 108238 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is happening? :P < 1302040667 853315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love < 1302040669 830534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love is happening < 1302040674 576989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when's tswettbot5 coming out < 1302040688 482655 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302040741 679751 :tswettbot4!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302040741 869167 :tswettbot6!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302040753 757314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: evil prediction: an advertising network will implement an "innovative new anti-adblocker feature" for sites < 1302040769 444688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen sites that use anti-adblockers < 1302040771 407166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this will involve the ad executing some code to decrypt the stored page html < 1302040774 363477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and displaying it < 1302040782 192271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the advertising networks really like adblockers, or at least don't mind them < 1302040788 914171 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debugging that was the most confusing experience of my life. < 1302040789 571748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless you have JS enabled and ad-blocking off, you can't see the page content without breaking the (simple) encryption < 1302040794 680971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if the ad's never loaded from their servers, they don't have to pay the site for showing it < 1302040803 522339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, right, it's actually profitable for them to support adblockers < 1302040806 364513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, people who probably wouldn't click on the ads anyway don't eat into their overheads < 1302040806 593097 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040810 738557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, pay-per-view isn't universal < 1302040812 933644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. pay-per-click < 1302040819 396364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302040823 375105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pay-per-click's basically neutral too < 1302040831 156388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas pay-per-view likes adblockers < 1302040842 579212 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION debugs it better.
< 1302040860 413943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... ad networks essentially want the minimum possible number of people to click their ads, so that webmasters and advertisers still use them < 1302040867 179305 :tswettbot8!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040886 597656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040896 862837 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot8: HOW'S IT GOING, MAN < 1302040897 13037 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-128.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302040902 784318 :tswettbot9!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302040957 686705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302040978 758729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I dismiss my lack of incredulity that it's taken tswett this long to get a bot that can now do less than it started with :D < 1302040987 709343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it no longer says it's sending a message, or quits on command) < 1302041001 680542 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas PART #esoteric :"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" < 1302041024 984693 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed the part where it says it's sending a message. < 1302041038 513444 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quitting on command... I'm working on that. :P < 1302041041 519926 :tswettbot9!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302041041 685835 :tswettbot8!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302041043 823069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSP looks cool < 1302041045 731741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302041048 696714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooler than FTP :-P < 1302041053 851074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo cool < 1302041083 754141 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golly gee whiz, I think I've figured it out. < 1302041098 436426 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey elliott, guess what this does: ['foo' isEmpty ifFalse: [^ true]] whileTrue < 1302041102 462733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302041107 179494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten what parse trees look like < 1302041113 811960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: please advise < 1302041116 753308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: returns true < 1302041123 93323 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And guess what this does: (['foo' isEmpty ifFalse: [^ true]] whileTrue) not < 1302041129 196174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns true < 1302041137 528985 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I didn't. < 1302041151 587307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...elide the unnecessary ^? < 1302041152 936104 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting [^ true] to just return true for itself, not the whole running thread thingy. < 1302041163 164912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, that's blocks for you :) < 1302041164 750131 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "elide" mean what you think it means? < 1302041167 902940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIN VS. THICK FUNCTIONS < 1302041177 766840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elide means emit. so yes. < 1302041180 790838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more or less) < 1302041181 798474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1302041182 623942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*omit. < 1302041199 72463 :tswettbot10!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302041228 228887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302041231 502256 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, I can't believe that worked. < 1302041243 70520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ... didn't < 1302041253 744633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise quit is "QUIT :x" not "QUIT" < 1302041254 664800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1302041257 756691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo x < 1302041276 251076 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I was getting one of those debugger loops, where each debugger that opens crashes, opening another debugger. < 1302041284 7370 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pressed Cmd-., and the debugger loop stopped. < 1302041288 223410 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'dathunk? < 1302041288 926390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound normal, you know. < 1302041299 845540 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, but apparently it happens to people other than me sometimes. < 1302041319 214200 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you expect a debugger to be bug-free < 1302041325 284384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302041331 605216 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least smalltalk has the foresight to try to debug it < 1302041344 830748 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1302041346 117317 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itself < 1302041359 658403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: what do asts look like again < 1302041369 535406 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... < 1302041373 103564 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TREES < 1302041375 948172 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs the bot, expecting something to happen.
< 1302041376 848243 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look like TREES < 1302041377 734850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they fuzzy < 1302041384 93669 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, nothing happens when I run the bot now. < 1302041385 289170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they warm you up if you hug them < 1302041390 98871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they green < 1302041409 94301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i'm only half joking, why doesn't c have support for data structures :/ < 1302041422 424193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use a hideous enum and a union of structs just to get the simplest kind of data structure, i.e. an adt < 1302041424 776080 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302041428 258470 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has fine support for sexprs once you code them up < 1302041435 145445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use a hideous enum and a union of structs just to get the simplest kind of data structure, i.e. an adt < 1302041443 435896 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302041453 621382 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand asts, read r/trees < 1302041454 427626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaict any non-trivial AST is an ADT < 1302041465 21444 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries changing the bot's nick, to see if that helps.
< 1302041472 89596 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually end up with a hideous enum and a union of structs, but I'm usually not aiming for the simplest kind of data structure < 1302041487 820299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: well it's just... does that e-- < 1302041491 584682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i should make them actual smalltalk objects < 1302041492 580011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no < 1302041493 584635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1302041493 911163 :tswettbot10!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302041498 306030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be useful < 1302041526 737825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. richard dawkins' guardian.co.uk picture is so derpy < 1302041530 235728 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you are trying to code objects in C, that's your own damn fault < 1302041530 668819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/9/21/1253534142104/Dawkins-bio-pic-001.jpg "harr!" < 1302041535 857596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i'm not i'm not < 1302041538 851769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an ast < 1302041543 944004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i briefly considered making the ast nodes smalltalk objects < 1302041544 937989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like < 1302041547 262907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :metacircularity < 1302041549 632587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is stupid < 1302041564 866103 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct expr { struct expr *lhs; struct expr *rhs; char *op; } < 1302041568 676580 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's your ast < 1302041579 425582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O YA, AND WHAT IS [] < 1302041584 933707 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL < 1302041592 332934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS < 1302041596 277274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[|x y z| x := 3.] < 1302041609 872049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES LHS POINT TO SOMETHING WITH OP=| AND LHS=X AND RHS=(OP=| AND LHS=Y ...) < 1302041613 596566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SILY < 1302041657 479571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dawkins said scapegoat in this article < 1302041658 310719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1302041663 932304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to control his versions < 1302041784 643524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The method we recommend is calmly to approach Mr Blair and in a gentle fashion to lay a hand on his shoulder or elbow, in such a way that he cannot have any cause to complain of being hurt or trapped by you, and announce loudly, “Mr Blair, this is a citizens’ arrest for a crime against peace, namely your decision to launch an unprovoked war against Iraq. I am inviting you to accompany me to a poli < 1302041784 805568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce station to answer the charge.”" < 1302041806 463532 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working! < 1302041816 155054 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badly! < 1302041847 500584 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three questions now. < 1302041857 618335 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Why is it working? 2. Why isn't it working? 3. Why is it working? < 1302041869 600562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: GIMME THE WORLD IMAGE IMA MAKE IT WORK WITH FRIENDSHIP & LOVE < 1302041906 734401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it legal for police to stop someone making a citizen's arrest? < 1302041958 671366 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it illegal to trap someone when citizen's-arresting them? < 1302041976 515585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, define "trap" < 1302041990 406488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's perfectly legal to stop someone removing themselves from a public place if you're attempting to citizen's-arrest them < 1302041992 540907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, it should be legal < 1302041997 52929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as you don't actually use force < 1302041999 98389 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I define "trap" as meaning whatever it meant as used in that quote you quoted. :P < 1302042020 577701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and running away from a citizen's arrest should probably be illegal too, but) < 1302042025 609854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm asking what is, not what should be) < 1302042027 909005 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it "use force" does not mean "apply a force to the person in question". < 1302042039 975273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nude gait < 1302042040 633364 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult to arrest someone effectively without applying any forces to them. < 1302042063 475596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302042068 869761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oops, sorry, i breathed on you" < 1302042102 756485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: afaict citizen's arrests are a bit useless because either they'll run away, ignore you, or be high-profile enough that it won't work :) < 1302042111 304734 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302042138 320880 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :This bot seems to be sending a message for every message it receives. < 1302042146 228243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan has quit (Quit: Nude gait) < 1302042146 576820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302042149 874131 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, to quote Eliezer Yudkowsky, wrong. < 1302042171 539994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is this supposed to be a trivial bot? < 1302042180 718952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is, to quote Eliezer Yudkowsky, a, person who quotes Eliezer Yudkowsky a lot. < 1302042182 589630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should stay away from Smalltalk for bot purposes < 1302042187 564524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am pretty sure Eliezer Yudkowsky once said "a".) < 1302042204 414502 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, I'm just bad at Smalltalk. < 1302042214 343251 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a glaring error here. < 1302042230 820466 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, I made a less-glaring error here. < 1302042233 470339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I WANT YOUR WHIRRLED IMAGE < 1302042236 176421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh wait < 1302042239 526819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a smalltalk transcript < 1302042243 515813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means i can type things and have them execute < 1302042256 815829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend got me a MtG online account as an early birthday gift < 1302042303 233661 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, okay, just give me a moment. < 1302042325 433528 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whirrled? < 1302042335 30722 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: world. < 1302042335 758096 :tswettbot128888!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302042340 789692 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said in elliottese. < 1302042346 743974 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302042347 5318 :tswettbot128888!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quitting. < 1302042347 169106 :tswettbot128888!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302042365 548195 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently the problem all along was that this thing was sending null messages. :P < 1302042374 303060 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no idea why that was a problem. < 1302042413 246216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottese is a good language < 1302042417 468664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically phonetics < 1302042470 761605 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302042487 302872 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BOT IS PERFECT < 1302042492 438171 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say this < 1302042505 702281 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302042541 385258 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302042550 242587 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The listener thread probably got killed, eh. < 1302042568 552672 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just need a new bot, then. < 1302042575 842791 :tswetttbot!~tswetttbo@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302042578 164415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hmm, this gc thing _is_ irritating < 1302042584 106848 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, we need a new nick, then. < 1302042592 960186 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I Cmd-.ed it because it was throwing a debugger loop again. < 1302042597 632177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no i mean in my bot < 1302042598 288555 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throwing the debugger for a loop again. < 1302042599 954828 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1302042611 53445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[stream nextLine. true] whileTrue] fork < 1302042611 389612 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn garbage collection off. :P < 1302042612 35894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1302042619 884792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it gets disconnected while waiting for input... < 1302042636 912198 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're having trouble that I'm not having, I recommend being you. < 1302042639 667415 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, being me. < 1302042655 917168 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say something better this time. < 1302042664 86424 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302042668 967036 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I'm getting a debugger loop again. < 1302042675 204692 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302042698 829766 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by my previous statement: :( < 1302042700 870470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302042702 760565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working :( < 1302042783 953018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna make a new class so it's less shitty < 1302042834 697409 :tswetttbot!~tswetttbo@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302043005 946103 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302043010 746082 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned Pharo's sound on. It's really annoying. < 1302043011 763256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS NO WORK < 1302043013 974012 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say say say say say < 1302043070 982527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you using stream nextLine? < 1302043095 135330 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :These sounds are *really* annoying. To quote Eliezer Yudkowsky, AAIIIIIEEEEEAAARRRRRGGGHHH. < 1302043137 593335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sounds? < 1302043144 771642 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the sounds Smalltalk makes when you turn sound on. < 1302043145 88635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1302043146 602393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1302043161 787437 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you open or close a window, it goes "TSSK tk". < 1302043174 130908 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSSK tk. TSSK tk. TSSK tk. TSSK tk. TSSK tk. < 1302043190 163486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It disapproves. < 1302043192 717744 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :A debugger loop sounds like this: TSSK TSSK-tk TSSK-tk TSSK-tk TSSK-tk tk. < 1302043209 875278 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302043215 195906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, anyone else who knows magic? What's a scheme? < 1302043216 399493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=212585 < 1302043223 564835 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not legally playable in any formats < 1302043230 804690 :tswettttbot!~tswettttb@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302043243 981739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1302043248 143319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeak/pharo really sucks < 1302043257 124943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the whole single-threaded vm thing < 1302043258 111038 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's better than it? < 1302043262 85537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nothing < 1302043263 334168 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's a single-threaded VM? < 1302043265 554808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302043266 116480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302043267 266016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be < 1302043269 70670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before this new cog thing < 1302043270 709338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then < 1302043272 110086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302043277 856936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can either < 1302043280 933650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have simple networking code < 1302043281 969467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have a gui < 1302043284 573620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS SQUEAK < 1302043287 694803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the gc stuff is stupid < 1302043294 228292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :workspace objects shouldn't get gc'd, or something < 1302043303 995215 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Workspace objects should definitely get GC'd. < 1302043316 796561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not before the workspace is closed. < 1302043325 311193 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that makes it not a bad idea. < 1302043338 68526 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say say say SAY SAY SAY < 1302043345 961232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say say SAY < 1302043347 127940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAY SAY SAY < 1302043348 636780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAYYYYYY < 1302043353 749825 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say PONG < 1302043358 992495 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302043361 210504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1302043361 538446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1302043362 861821 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, man < 1302043363 25624 :tswettttbot!~tswettttb@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, man < 1302043363 253325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1302043365 601951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallbot: marry me < 1302043371 782060 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say QUIT :look what you can do, man < 1302043371 945522 :tswettttbot!~tswettttb@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302043387 293373 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote elliott, <3 < 1302043402 267125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1302043402 759047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1302043404 237418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :love all aroun < 1302043404 727601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1302043443 660356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302043445 671844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallbot < 1302043447 478709 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um? < 1302043448 979026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please ping out so that i can use the gui again < 1302043451 867242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make you threaded < 1302043452 377470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1302043456 685135 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302043463 171939 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cmd-. You use a Mac, right? :P < 1302043466 173125 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something-. < 1302043473 228896 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say NICK elliottbot < 1302043473 492945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-. did it < 1302043473 643417 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :elliottbot < 1302043473 793883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1302043476 475447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH < 1302043479 805984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say NICK faggot < 1302043479 967963 :elliottbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :faggot < 1302043485 385776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say JOIN #freenode < 1302043486 305780 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say QUIT < 1302043486 773567 :faggot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302043489 782209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say PRIVMSG #freenode :i'm a faggot < 1302043492 312577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: THAT'S WHAT YOU GET < 1302043495 267281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1302043500 298870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote eliezer yudkowsky, "faggot" < 1302043508 139515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was probably stupid < 1302043511 108972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm laughing anyway < 1302043517 161846 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 NICK :Me_faps < 1302043519 695734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hey, you typed pretty fast there < 1302043521 70765 :Me_faps!~tach@81.200.61.23 NICK :Tachycek < 1302043521 895086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're getting better ;D < 1302043527 835241 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed it before you typed that. < 1302043532 736339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame :P < 1302043569 801087 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding. I actually typed "hey tswettbot, say QUIT" after you typed "hey tswettbot, say PRIVMSG #freenode :i'm a faggot". < 1302043647 400877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302043650 740923 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302043651 889107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :String has endsWith: but not startsWith: < 1302043654 566882 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have at it. < 1302043665 744232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say NICK iloveeverybody < 1302043666 11065 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ELLIOTT I HATE YOU < 1302043666 885139 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302043671 673540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :( < 1302043676 788288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to be friendly < 1302043686 955330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1302043689 607689 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, too bad. < 1302043695 873094 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be ashamed of yourself. For everything. < 1302043697 243271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk. < 1302043715 264002 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pronounce "jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk"? < 1302043721 573052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows. < 1302043724 473850 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1302043734 515888 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot probably still pings out. < 1302043738 547428 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302043740 784913 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett still pings out. < 1302043743 634861 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302043747 124189 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot still pings out. < 1302043756 130140 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first of those, I had no reason to doubt. The second of those was a typo. < 1302043769 11594 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: here, you can go ahead and dismiss the bot. < 1302043773 977472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302043775 186575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it < 1302043779 113106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my friend < 1302043796 67088 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I thought it was a jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk. < 1302043801 470661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was tswett. < 1302043804 511651 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1302043807 282542 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, < 1302043809 4968 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take out your feelings of anger on the bot! < 1302043819 73199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think you are a bad parent and also abusive < 1302043820 451475 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say < 1302043823 284020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think tswettbot should go into foster care. < 1302043827 991352 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot doesn't say what you tell it to say any more. < 1302043829 192500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: everything is going to be ok < 1302043835 620660 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: the space on the end is necessary. < 1302043841 130198 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dismiss it into foster care. < 1302043843 745975 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302043844 315274 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ELLIOTT I HATE YOU < 1302043844 465463 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quitting. < 1302043844 615799 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302043850 706066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302043863 416944 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it ragequit! < 1302044010 837483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, smalltalk shares the same braindamage as lua! < 1302044019 169465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting! < 1302044021 53719 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-based indexing, huh < 1302044021 656569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1-indexed arrays) < 1302044024 780437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!!! < 1302044037 580598 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES IT CONFLATE THEM WITH DICTIONARIES LIKE LUA < 1302044041 162212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of indexing, if you define best as the top element when sorted from worst to best < 1302044045 128599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: NO < 1302044045 279274 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE THAT IS SOOOOOO AWESOME < 1302044047 457681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT QUITE THAT BAD < 1302044050 878681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hey wait < 1302044052 108099 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Smalltalk has lots of kinds of containers. < 1302044054 412433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lua only has floats < 1302044055 227909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1302044061 150920 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1302044062 960312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 is a valid array index < 1302044063 177159 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES YES < 1302044063 960640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDD < 1302044071 857108 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst kind of indexing is indexing by wood. < 1302044076 462305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose we all adopt the compromise 0.5 starting array index value < 1302044082 459962 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to index the array, you must jab a piece of wood into your CPU. < 1302044107 838289 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, feel free to subclass Array to get a zero-indexed Array. :P < 1302044174 235489 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302044185 34014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg smalltalk has nice names for indexes < 1302044186 615832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokens first < 1302044187 849137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokens fourth < 1302044200 150288 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1302044202 851110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1302044209 66580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be done with the not implemented thing < 1302044210 402078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do < 1302044221 461383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokens sevenhundredsquillionsixthousandsextillion < 1302044221 974641 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS HOW CHILDREN LEARN < 1302044226 202001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302044239 352695 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they go up to ninth. < 1302044247 523688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything cp... ZOMGMODULES says sounds better in caps < 1302044255 505646 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ahem. tokens sevenhundredsquillionsixthousandsextillionth. < 1302044266 688121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh ofc < 1302044267 342834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302044291 242032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yet how do you chop the first element off a smalltalk orderd collection < 1302044300 143764 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :allButfirst: 1? :P < 1302044309 360569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :polynomialEval: thisX < 1302044309 622739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : | sum valToPower | < 1302044309 773326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Treat myself as the coeficients of a polynomial in X. Evaluate it with thisX. First element is the constant and last is the coeficient for the highest power." < 1302044309 773524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : " #(1 2 3) polynomialEval: 2 " "is 3*X^2 + 2*X + 1 with X = 2" < 1302044312 849699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sequences should know how to do this < 1302044313 149 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :allButFirst, I guess. < 1302044316 769434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is my main objection to message passing) < 1302044335 10412 :Tachycek!~tach@81.200.61.23 PART #esoteric :"." < 1302044380 229329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokens := line findTokens: ':'. < 1302044380 393431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elems := tokens first findTokens: ' '. < 1302044380 543594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix := elems first. < 1302044380 543807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :args := elems allButFirst. < 1302044380 543917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :args add: tokens second. < 1302044381 912478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: deugly plz < 1302044437 613258 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where do you use prefix? < 1302044446 380802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix and args are the result < 1302044451 116853 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302044452 612073 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooo........ there's this code, that is never called by these unit tests. but changing the code causes the unit tests to fail. < 1302044454 471336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically a constructor thing :) < 1302044465 167131 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want it to be prettier? :P < 1302044501 723752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly :D < 1302044503 849697 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no. i had wrong method. whew. < 1302044521 796587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: :D < 1302044551 547932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: HOW DO YOU GET ALL BUT THE FIRST AND SECOND EH < 1302044554 687163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allButFirstAndSecond?! < 1302044567 156602 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: allButFirst: 2 < 1302044571 96109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR THAT, YES < 1302044873 563444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there's some fancy StringBuilder thing isn't there? or am i wrong < 1302044889 484889 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't a quack. < 1302044892 234264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302044994 972706 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302044995 161259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1302045003 601453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallbot: what are you doing here, you broke < 1302045004 545520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic Online wants admin access to my computer < 1302045015 519796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares at Wizards of the Coast
< 1302045042 36299 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doesn't just about everything? < 1302045055 334438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a lot of old stuff < 1302045077 901671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docking Station comes to mind rather quickly < 1302045085 179303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: StringBuilder? Java? < 1302045094 49385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: probably that's what i was thinking < 1302045114 962776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we even allow talking about Java in here? :/ < 1302045161 673245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallbot: come on, die, fucker! < 1302045187 753728 :elliotts_favorit!~elliotts_@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045204 430275 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302045205 995625 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, that depends. Is Java an esoteric language? < 1302045208 371612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1302045213 584708 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliotts_favorit is elliott's favorit. < 1302045226 22087 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045228 623976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302045229 6020 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045230 951325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be flooding < 1302045232 18035 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045237 240963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1302045237 731731 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045244 474866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you not pinged out, little buddy < 1302045244 811145 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045252 435156 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1302045257 285596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it only does it on privmsgs < 1302045257 876970 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045266 748970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't it cute < 1302045267 73465 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045269 835946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallbot: <3 < 1302045270 165654 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045270 982459 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1302045271 618833 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045278 383315 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get two of it in here. Now. < 1302045278 711965 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045282 90202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302045282 506876 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045293 183337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOING SO < 1302045293 510464 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045295 298832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be painful < 1302045295 954571 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045297 867594 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302045298 406299 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302045299 231592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1302045301 845119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saved and quat the world < 1302045302 666587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will fix < 1302045309 75173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quat - past tense of quit < 1302045316 312510 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open two of the world. < 1302045318 683748 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045320 235562 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing can go wrong. < 1302045324 875149 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045328 87849 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is storkbot? < 1302045328 417035 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045332 263246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302045332 670371 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045340 819237 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help < 1302045341 279255 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302045341 443355 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045342 101427 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045346 911824 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|errors < 1302045347 287927 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302045347 737473 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045347 887742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other smallbot is still using its nick < 1302045348 64669 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045348 250298 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045348 942759 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045349 734837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1302045350 224309 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 390296 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 540983 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 541165 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 541274 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 541381 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 541489 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 541593 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help errors < 1302045350 691008 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 691192 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 691299 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1302045350 936054 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: To get more interesting error messages, set ~/errmsgs=snark. < 1302045355 644474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302045355 809756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1302045356 632495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopped < 1302045359 829086 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/errmsgs=snark < 1302045360 197023 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: snark < 1302045361 440591 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302045361 590583 :smallbotx!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302045365 494895 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|foo < 1302045366 84114 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: That's wonderful for you! < 1302045367 388905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was uneventful < 1302045371 148899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/errmsgs=poop < 1302045371 565073 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: poop < 1302045372 918666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|hello!!! < 1302045373 279024 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302045376 810438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302045383 697641 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|poop < 1302045384 63378 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: What is this I don't even < 1302045392 180830 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|save < 1302045392 540614 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: State saved. < 1302045395 890177 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: YOU LIE < 1302045396 294582 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: That's wonderful for you! < 1302045406 70397 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, as you can see, elliotts_favorit is immortal. < 1302045409 529992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/errmsgs=snark < 1302045409 924143 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: snark < 1302045411 896476 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing can make it quit. < 1302045418 586812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|copulate < 1302045418 951019 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat. < 1302045422 417373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|wat yourself < 1302045422 778649 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: omg u errored teh syntax!!1! < 1302045426 567309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|no i di't < 1302045426 945215 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's wonderful for you! < 1302045431 693990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|you too! :) < 1302045432 125772 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's wonderful for you! < 1302045434 858176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|thanks! < 1302045435 230930 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is this I don't even < 1302045440 307246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|we all don't even. < 1302045440 667822 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is this I don't even < 1302045443 553594 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the scary thing is that that feature requires lua 5.1 < 1302045446 136377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: needs moar errors < 1302045450 476071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: can you let us define our own errmsgs < 1302045450 903207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302045462 225858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be able to set |~/errmsgs=('That's stupid.'; 'You''re stupid.') < 1302045467 713786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best string and list syntax, bcuz its different) < 1302045472 642491 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/errmsgs=('That's stupid.'; 'You''re stupid.') < 1302045473 33189 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: ('That's stupid.'; 'You''re stupid.') < 1302045483 614421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it doesn't actually... use them < 1302045489 218595 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|true that < 1302045489 585168 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302045495 395201 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard to implement < 1302045496 451193 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1302045501 829785 :tswett_otherbot!~tswett_ot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045502 602053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IMPLEMENT IT < 1302045503 875111 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: DIE DIE < 1302045504 254221 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302045509 43287 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :|what is stockbot supposed to do? < 1302045509 374327 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302045510 734997 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: helllllp < 1302045511 165344 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302045516 618051 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help < 1302045516 997607 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302045524 58752 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help goto < 1302045524 418277 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: To evaluate a string as a command, issue 'goto command'. This discards control context. < 1302045533 396241 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto help < 1302045533 836681 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302045538 997599 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, THIS bot. < 1302045542 246098 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302045552 427807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thing to activate a block in smalltalk < 1302045552 577965 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuffles over to the other monitor
< 1302045554 565090 :storkbot!~storkbot@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302045559 64435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|go- < 1302045559 810380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302045566 743180 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1302045575 95256 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :storkbot < 1302045577 399700 :storkbot!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302045588 550369 :tswett_otherbot!~tswett_ot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, tswett can control me. < 1302045606 232161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: < 1302045608 156266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the thing to activate a block in smalltalk < 1302045618 738005 :tswett_otherbot!~tswett_ot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All he has to do is open up the Process Browser, find my process, inspect me, and send me me the sendMessage: message. < 1302045627 19421 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: value, I think. < 1302045631 176125 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3] value === 3 < 1302045637 616998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an arg :p < 1302045642 559544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302045644 349902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :value: < 1302045649 318810 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :[:x | x + 1] value: 4 === 5 < 1302045661 816923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe that way of doing it sucks < 1302045688 823362 :sedbot!~sedbot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045691 848417 :elliotts_favorit!~elliotts_@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo who am i < 1302045695 318365 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedbot: hi < 1302045711 57114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, re your liquid democracy thing < 1302045717 95721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (that you didn't invent, but) < 1302045718 178209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my bot is useless :) < 1302045721 653896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i invented the BEST SYSTEM EVER based on it < 1302045727 255740 :elliotts_favorit!~elliotts_@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im out yo < 1302045733 679146 :elliotts_favorit!~elliotts_@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: elliotts_favorit < 1302045750 559773 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedbot: QUIT < 1302045750 710092 :sedbot!~sedbot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Client Quit < 1302045780 355970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1302045783 16388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rbing the bots bacq < 1302045788 133316 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229249.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302045792 439882 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_otherbot is still here. < 1302045853 433525 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I patch ZbasuBot, some of the patches will take effect right away. :P < 1302045871 980737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a hard time getting the bot working, but then I realized that I was just connecting to the wrong port number < 1302045887 313334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still finds squeak/pharo a bit awkward to use
< 1302045963 923762 :cheater00!~cheater@g231049165.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302045974 506256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: can i throw money at you to make you write @ < 1302045979 691753 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could be fun to extend that sed bot to something vaguely useful < 1302045983 23367 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1302045984 123009 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next. < 1302046005 19221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, the os < 1302046005 882552 :tswett_otherbot!~tswett_ot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302046009 438534 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1302046014 40632 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tha--hey! < 1302046022 680418 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? It errored? < 1302046063 247087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: WOULD MONEY WOR < 1302046064 768086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1302046068 869682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pung out? < 1302046074 731584 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I already have enough money, but not enough time. < 1302046082 163850 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should pay me time for money. < 1302046114 967719 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302046117 716296 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to fix that thing that causes every error to cause a debugger loop. < 1302046122 107049 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: be better this time. < 1302046168 890210 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302046172 62562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say Hello, world! < 1302046175 854037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :( < 1302046192 906766 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... timed out. < 1302046199 692176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a bug < 1302046200 529496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lames < 1302046246 489822 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this bot is impatient. < 1302046257 393095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, "elliotts_favorit", was that just favorite truncated or was it scandinavian? < 1302046258 249999 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302046278 793036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1302046282 552241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed the wrong process < 1302046287 117540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i tell pharo to save from the console >_> < 1302046295 258921 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302046304 813448 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have a console? < 1302046315 554750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my terminal :P < 1302046319 975535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I started Pharo in. < 1302046325 779305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I killed the input-reading thread>_> < 1302046327 602429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thread >_> < 1302046331 737712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which includes mouse/keyboard < 1302046352 323451 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to save that? < 1302046365 311526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the world has code... < 1302046366 320460 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the image is broken, quit it and recover your changes. < 1302046369 420481 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I have never done this. < 1302046369 583341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1302046374 186416 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it doesn't have an input-reading thread. :P < 1302046435 966165 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302046440 578733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hello < 1302046445 285001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU WHORE < 1302046462 435553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you will like the randomised name of my current dwarf fortress embarkment: Boatprison. < 1302046474 347040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1302046475 383380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still borked < 1302046564 264152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE STUPID BOT DIE < 1302046620 400281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallbot: die < 1302046620 895365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046621 45369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046621 384751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046621 648051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046622 30889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046622 576107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046624 808806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1302046708 936225 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302046710 88289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just wait for it to ping out < 1302046710 662564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302046711 890218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good timing < 1302046720 736714 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302046777 306738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hello < 1302046782 739410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's a bit retarded. :( < 1302046832 211074 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is tswettbot. < 1302046835 804081 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so retarded that it isn't here. < 1302046839 679234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1302046841 813582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tard. < 1302046953 771546 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit smarter now. < 1302046956 842922 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302046962 297810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say nothing at all < 1302046965 791024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, say PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing at all < 1302046968 377645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey tswettbot, die < 1302046978 419969 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how smart it is? < 1302046997 648122 :smallbot!~smallbot@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302047021 503673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smartest < 1302047035 189504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm going to do something less painful, like suicide < 1302047047 98074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write storkbot but better :) < 1302047060 592388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as i don't end up writing a proper parser < 1302047069 514996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make it like tcl, everything is a string! < 1302047663 949165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason to like Smalltalk more than Newspeak? < 1302047705 796917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So hey, Redivider! < 1302047776 585022 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302047781 353654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hi! < 1302047785 91882 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG HI < 1302047788 184048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: plz not to be suing me for what i've done < 1302047807 568985 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE YOU DONE < 1302047816 743128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: DECIDED TO MAKE A BOT THAT'S ALL THAT STORKBOT COULD BE < 1302047821 313213 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302047828 138562 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean, though? < 1302047829 815060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, |tell? who needs that when you can just append to someone's inbox array??? < 1302047839 165831 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when lambdabot's here, use it < 1302047844 310535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU WON'T NURTURE THIS POSSIBLE SHITTY LANGUAGE, I WILL < 1302047866 595575 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nurture it... on and off < 1302047867 252177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know what i mean < 1302047878 941145 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's a language yet exactly < 1302047884 842073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but it SHOULD be. < 1302047899 205155 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :total agreement < 1302047923 327137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the "permissions" on variables sound like fun... like, you want the inbox array to be append-only for everyone else < 1302047926 384122 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to... implement persistence < 1302047933 827551 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302047937 80220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you just need ~foo/inbox to automatically erase itself and append to ~foo/msgs < 1302047938 968213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where msgs is private < 1302047939 658071 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except now i look at its lua source code and i hate it... oh hi storkbot < 1302047944 23643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! ooh! OOH! < 1302047948 473485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~foo/send should be a FUNCTION < 1302047949 949309 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/ < 1302047950 113126 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: < 1302047953 779621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can obviously access ~foo/inbox < 1302047955 248017 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/* < 1302047955 411849 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302047957 934747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ~foo/send just appends to the inbox < 1302047961 331321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: AWESOME Y/N < 1302047977 829377 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about how to distinguish commands from variables < 1302047985 824264 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1302047990 331171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i just solved it, don't distinguish! < 1302047994 263934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1302047998 856018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just expand variables with like < 1302048000 827766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0, $1, $2 < 1302048007 65876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then variables are functions because variables get recursively expanded. < 1302048009 994778 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh, it kind of drifting in that direction < 1302048011 112044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god it's so shitty this is amazing. < 1302048013 512518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will Factory llanguage be implemented? < 1302048017 333456 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all variables are variables that can expand themselves < 1302048023 955851 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :said expansion is execution < 1302048039 494401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like |~/send=|append ~/inbox $* < 1302048041 107913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so beautiful < 1302048044 778107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to cry < 1302048053 871299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i should implement my conception of all this. < 1302048058 267507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but WHICH LANGUAGE... < 1302048069 892676 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|goto ~/send < 1302048070 56605 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: < 1302048081 977018 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/send=help < 1302048082 141072 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: help < 1302048086 90201 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/send < 1302048086 240225 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: help < 1302048087 917695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1302048089 463057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/test=|help < 1302048089 613399 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |help < 1302048090 958567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/test < 1302048091 118280 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |help < 1302048092 48428 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|goto ~/send < 1302048092 410661 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: help < 1302048095 444261 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302048096 265652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: that seems broken a bit to me < 1302048102 275738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if a variable expands to something starting with |, it should re-execute < 1302048106 940025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302048113 690956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goto stuff makes less sense so that's kinda a point in its favour < 1302048115 203040 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it did -- not with | though < 1302048118 410895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not, like, elegantly ugly < 1302048131 403063 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto should totally derefence < 1302048140 736557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"|~/foo=|~/bar" has a nice symmetry to it. < 1302048148 3842 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302048149 293392 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302048150 198136 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help exp < 1302048150 361749 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: All items in [brackets] are replaced by their value, in a recursive, depth-first manner. < 1302048156 281656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd then expect "|goto ~/foo" to uh < 1302048159 544717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute |~/bar < 1302048163 585471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then execute |(its final output) < 1302048166 564633 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[~/send] < 1302048166 714871 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302048170 537906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if |~/bar=foo < 1302048171 288889 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1302048176 234281 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about Redivider? < 1302048177 818710 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute = [] < 1302048184 804623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: but but < 1302048188 201112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: PERFECT FOR IRC BOTS < 1302048203 289149 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/send=~/send < 1302048203 439527 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: ~/send < 1302048206 499795 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the reason I'm using Smalltalk is that it's persistent; is Newspeak that? < 1302048207 166244 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[~/send] < 1302048207 429510 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: ~/send < 1302048209 990959 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, okay. < 1302048214 94280 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|goto [~/send] < 1302048214 256654 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: ~/send < 1302048218 995605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yes < 1302048223 829287 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/send=goto ~/send < 1302048223 993760 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send < 1302048225 143471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newspeak is built on squeak < 1302048226 167733 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[~/send] < 1302048226 431685 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send < 1302048228 1073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1302048231 526480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop feeding Sgeo's language addiction < 1302048238 937028 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/send=[goto ~/send] < 1302048239 87054 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send < 1302048242 63546 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[~/send] < 1302048242 218608 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto ~/send < 1302048243 604738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/shits=[help] < 1302048243 770138 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302048243 920414 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1302048244 426515 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1302048246 511408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302048248 793212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1302048251 677708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all expansion should be lazy :D < 1302048259 186888 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you know if Newspeak has sandboxing? < 1302048264 758588 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think currently expansion is SOMETIMES < 1302048278 890754 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott: do you see where this is going?) < 1302048294 3276 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally figured out how to do a loop in this, once < 1302048294 761327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, you're about to pick an inferior language with bad non-Windows IDE support < 1302048298 777050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, in theory, it should. But currently, it being based on Squeak is a severe detriment to that goal < 1302048311 367268 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|/global=hi < 1302048311 531509 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hi < 1302048315 20722 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|/global < 1302048315 182648 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hi < 1302048316 453499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey, there are some bugs in the Windows IDE! < 1302048319 608066 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|ls < 1302048319 774871 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302048322 301327 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help < 1302048322 472678 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302048323 757302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1302048329 113898 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help commands < 1302048329 275906 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1302048330 130298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newspeak is pretty inherently sandboxed in a shitty way isn't it < 1302048334 75968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the module systemd < 1302048338 216956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: NAME A LANGUAGE < 1302048355 657960 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you really don't want that < 1302048362 819146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but supposedly, the Squeak VM means that code can currently break out easily, I think. Apparently, at some point it's going to be moved off < 1302048363 288648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: oh i do < 1302048383 966225 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can't make you write it in R, because I'm reserving that particular insanity for myself. < 1302048386 192182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, even without the Squeak, there's currently a "blackMarket" < 1302048389 308796 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I totally would < 1302048390 363727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: oh i don't < 1302048390 956806 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1302048396 172944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1302048396 325601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that's not without Squeak < 1302048400 417629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously going to do that < 1302048407 9541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might respond to that masochism by writing it in python < 1302048408 807924 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1302048422 129650 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to write a VERY SIMPLE BOT IN R just to prove it's possible. < 1302048433 113428 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not like to reimplement mzstorkipiwanbotbotbot in R. < 1302048448 513595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: http://www.rstudio.org/ actually makes me want to use R a bit :) < 1302048451 213231 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... ok let's try another one < 1302048453 183414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's so pretty. < 1302048455 495872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nice. < 1302048464 486913 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRING MANIPULATION IN R IS HEAVENLY < 1302048470 913997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICK ANOTHER LANGUAGE < 1302048479 564199 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO < 1302048484 379684 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you want to. < 1302048498 139742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so neutral about that that it sounds so boring. < 1302048506 690371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, the esolang I kind of pondered ma... oh, dur < 1302048508 548330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think string manipulation is Go's forte :P < 1302048521 34157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if IDSSST has... what's the word. < 1302048522 982931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sockets. < 1302048538 920943 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you doan need zockets you juss need stdio and NETCAT < 1302048547 667305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no sockets < 1302048549 328971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to < 1302048549 828340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRITE < 1302048550 331445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY < 1302048550 659059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OWN < 1302048561 385433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hey you speque elliottese too < 1302048614 276058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh < 1302048615 811569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to hackety.org < 1302048618 148677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadness organs engaged < 1302048621 565240 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You what? < 1302048632 328777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1302048634 28125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M BUSY BEING SAD < 1302048644 524366 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would naming another language happy you? < 1302048653 377225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1302048663 21627 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what's hackety org < 1302048670 718399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, wondered about making a language based on how a Go bot.. or perhaps a hypothetical perfect player.. would play Go < 1302048674 22396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's last blog < 1302048678 649427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also his best blog < 1302048687 324671 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. sad. ok < 1302048693 626297 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOJURE < 1302048696 821492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Whytheluckystiff.jpg RIP JACK BLACK < 1302048700 693303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: OMG KILL YOURSELF < 1302048721 471669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1302048724 400940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanislav just made a post about clojure < 1302048726 559204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINKIDINK? < 1302048735 526843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, stupid broser < 1302048740 471221 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care, i don't read that drivel anymore < 1302048751 229638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{DEFAULTSORT:Stiff, Why The Lucky}} < 1302048763 42672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I'm sorry, but did you not just misspell erudite thought? < 1302048771 112705 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott: want to attempt to debug this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8jEXs0vE < 1302048777 497992 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this would be Go the language rather than Go the board game < 1302048785 79754 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you got that < 1302048786 92800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, all I see is a post about C# < 1302048792 285158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: I AM VERY OFFENDED AT YOUR IMPLICATION RIGHT NOW < 1302048799 310303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: uh oh < 1302048822 470268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clojure is a nice, clean replacement for Common Lisp only if thumbs are nice, clean replacements for cars." ;; theory: removing the links from this blog makes it 10x funnier < 1302048826 956441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumbs! < 1302048842 475258 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HJNzKvwk < 1302048849 74546 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forgot to copy the variables) < 1302048857 887904 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, that stanislav's mind is a SLAVERING MASS OF TOXIC PLUTONIUM SPLINTERS? < 1302048877 903078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS THAT HIS BLOG IS MORE INTERESTING THAN YOUR BANAL PYTHON WORK < 1302048879 256106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOH I WENT THERE < 1302048881 20558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPITAL CASE < 1302048888 744820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capital Case: good band/album name < 1302048904 570062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff maybe i'll write it in... grep < 1302048905 959429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302048906 109747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep < 1302048908 882486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good langauge to write things in < 1302048931 874775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyy... < 1302048933 721560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use awk! < 1302048938 379677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: AWK! < 1302048946 212796 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could in fact use awk < 1302048956 990669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't seem to find Slava's blog < 1302048958 676764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could! < 1302048964 584438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, not a blog mentioning Clojure < 1302049012 932110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... Loper OS dude < 1302049014 757802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Slava < 1302049016 942294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1302049031 849889 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to attempt to debug this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HJNzKvwk < 1302049048 234080 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the worst part of mzstorkipiwanbot's being in Lua is those non-standard regexps < 1302049088 592659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Is the Loper OS person a moron? It's not really size of a standard library that matters (well, it does kind of matter), but consistancy is really what's.. needed < 1302049089 757370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1302049091 614054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1302049094 550280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc: invalid option -- 'e' < 1302049095 386796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asodjgfdjg < 1302049109 412611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1302049111 164243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc.traditional has it < 1302049111 903745 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049117 130670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1302049121 335766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd you not say the thing i asked you to say < 1302049136 180166 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "moron" is not the word *I* would choose < 1302049152 371928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1302049153 464779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, he's not a moron < 1302049158 216811 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would choose much more colorful words < 1302049162 25603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what you said is vaguely incoherent < 1302049174 964492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: WATCH YOUR TONGUE MISTER < 1302049176 377660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk awk awk < 1302049209 444457 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk is a product of decadent unix technology, which is a product of poisonthought. you are chosing your doom. < 1302049224 229376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much, yep < 1302049246 251097 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049251 977896 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049253 735332 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I chosed it" -- bumper sticker on your doom < 1302049259 264098 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049264 652529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: this is the worst imitation of stanislav ever < 1302049290 573814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 hmm < 1302049292 384756 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but possibly the single funniest! to me, anyway < 1302049300 650187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of see and agree with what he's saying < 1302049329 878320 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: now get really RIGHTEOUS about it < 1302049333 513099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet the ravishing hordes of underlings which see fit to perform savagery on that which does not meet their peanut-gallery ideals of the rotting flesh-corpse that is Unix still insist that using AWK is the finest way to process lines of text. These people have clearly never thought for one second. < 1302049357 234605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Most of what Stanislav says is right, everything about the way he says it is wrong :-P < 1302049366 927895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: come on, that hurt ^ < 1302049417 40747 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION incapacitated with lol
< 1302049424 865826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 < 1302049460 512731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :post title: On the Undying Non-Viscousness of Concepts, or If You Can't Sell It To 'Em, Steal It From Them < 1302049471 93917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't seem to consider that many computers these days do use non-programmable parts for video decoding for performance purposes -- althogh I'm sure he sees that as a sin. Or perhaps we could work out reprogrammable video cards? < 1302049490 996216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reprogrammable video cards... gee, like a GPU? < 1302049534 432597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Hah. What about mobile devices though? < 1302049535 782561 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049535 932669 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1302049542 7054 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049549 310663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER ciconia 8 * ciconia < 1302049549 474674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK ciconia < 1302049549 625071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #esoteric < 1302049549 625255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:25:29 BST 2011 < 1302049551 951040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks aight to me... < 1302049576 894755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wtf < 1302049579 201093 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh i'm beginning to remember < 1302049583 998123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and he also adresses my concern, durgh < 1302049584 148619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Code/ciconia]% ./first.awk 130 < 1302049584 148811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER ciconia 8 * ciconia < 1302049584 148920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK ciconia < 1302049584 149031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #esoteric < 1302049584 149135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:25:54 BST 2011 < 1302049584 149237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^[[A^C < 1302049585 691288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Code/ciconia]% ./first.awk | cat -v 130 < 1302049587 388506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER ciconia 8 * ciconia^M < 1302049589 451227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK ciconia^M < 1302049591 483389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #esoteric^M < 1302049593 443091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: wat < 1302049602 248807 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~storkbot/BRA < 1302049602 411059 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: [ < 1302049615 879052 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049616 29293 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:26:37 BST 2011 < 1302049618 297964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302049622 919606 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[~storkbot/BRA]/foo[~storkbot/KET] < 1302049623 155523 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302049633 24843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up bra < 1302049637 988377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm admiring < 1302049683 885095 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/foo=[~storkbot/BRA]~/foo[~storkbot/KET] < 1302049684 35398 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] < 1302049686 994759 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/foo < 1302049687 157014 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] < 1302049687 322075 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]<-]<-]<-]>>>>[<<<<+>>>>-]<<<< [->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>+>>>>>>>>>>>>>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>>++++++[<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]+[<<<<<<<<<<<<<[->>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<]>>>[->>>>>>+<<<<<<]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>>>[>[-<->>>+<]<<]<[>]>>>>>+<[-<<<<<<<<->>>>>>>>]<<<<<<<[[-]>>>>>>>>>->-<<<<<<<< < 1302049687 472268 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched []. < 1302049687 622784 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>>>>>>>>]<[->>+>+<<<]>>+[->>>>>>>>>>>[<]<+>>[>]<<<<<<<<<<<<]>>>>>>>>>>>[<]>[-]>[>]<<<<<<<<<<<[-<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]<[->>>>>>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<<<<<<]>>>>>>>>>>>>]>[-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>]<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>[-]<[>>++++++++++[-<<->>]<+<]>[->+<<+>]>[-<+>]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-]<<<<<<<<<<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1302049687 773233 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++++++[->+>+>+>+>+>+<<<<<<]>.>.>.>.>.>. < 1302049701 815835 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|goto ~/foo < 1302049702 71075 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] < 1302049702 936271 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049707 832781 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049708 21646 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:28:09 BST 2011 < 1302049709 283908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,eval 2 < 1302049709 468126 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049711 855377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302049714 883692 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/foo=goto [~storkbot/BRA]~/foo[~storkbot/KET] < 1302049715 145641 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto [~/foo] < 1302049715 714667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no eval in gawk < 1302049719 47581 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/foo < 1302049719 287268 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto [~/foo] < 1302049725 560984 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|goto ~/foo < 1302049725 822429 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: goto [~/foo] < 1302049728 674335 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1302049730 411719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302049733 521784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk doesn't have eval?? < 1302049734 541152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1302049743 989971 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just ain't right < 1302049791 12788 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049791 162935 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:29:32 BST 2011 < 1302049792 622835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1302049796 708647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1302049802 855580 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049807 28954 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/foo=[~storkbot/BRA]~/foo[~storkbot/KET] < 1302049807 293853 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] < 1302049807 797867 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049807 948001 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:29:49 BST 2011 < 1302049810 58808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1302049811 266054 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|[~/foo] < 1302049811 497466 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1302049815 363944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1302049817 375524 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|print [~/foo] < 1302049817 640226 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: [~/foo] < 1302049828 408685 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... but the code, she recurses there! < 1302049831 896590 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049843 842002 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049843 992009 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:30:25 BST 2011 < 1302049847 877212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say hello < 1302049848 206466 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1302049854 544281 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302049860 780627 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049860 931032 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:30:42 BST 2011 < 1302049873 866612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you want dynaic code use a language that's designed for this purpose < 1302049882 336697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i think he's telling me that if i want lisp i know where to find it < 1302049885 438782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302049885 927549 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302049904 75450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: WHAT SHOULD I ADD TO CICONIA APART FROM THE LANGUAGE < 1302049917 632934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1302049921 341435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SqueakNOS still dead? < 1302049937 94435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/still// < 1302049949 711087 :sk!~sk@anonymizer.blutmagie.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302049950 707431 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um... geocaching? < 1302049958 138074 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not even sure what that means
< 1302049976 499903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, 17 months that had emails from 2006 to now < 1302049980 702711 :sk!~sk@anonymizer.blutmagie.de PART :#esoteric < 1302049989 423700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO EXCITED < 1302050013 830749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to run Smalltalk as a primary OS
< 1302050015 822252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sads
< 1302050018 299435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how interesting, emacs is indenting the code with 8 spaces < 1302050019 509355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tabs, 8 spaces < 1302050056 777678 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, forget you storkbot. i am totally going to implement a bot in R. < 1302050062 265158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : frankly, I need awk because writing an IRC bot in awk is my favourite kind of perverse, and I need eval() because otherwise it'll be completely useless :-) < 1302050062 438527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, people have written network stuff with gawk, they didn't need eval < 1302050067 97832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i hate irc channels ^ < 1302050078 201076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first they interrogate you < 1302050080 925392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS < 1302050081 417553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYY < 1302050086 712257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when you finally give them a good reason < 1302050093 338390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just waffle on so you don't realise they don't have a fucking clue < 1302050145 214754 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After this operation, 94.1MB of additional disk space will be used. < 1302050151 925031 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302050182 766721 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really, really surprised there is no eval() in gawk < 1302050254 869835 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302050255 20225 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:37:15 BST 2011 < 1302050281 774503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say QUIT :xuhh < 1302050281 924918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up now < 1302050282 145767 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302050285 230573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302050287 722302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciconia is still alye < 1302050288 212579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ve < 1302050297 3210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill wait for it to ping out < 1302050346 932937 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear lord! gawk has ZOMGMODULES < 1302050355 29244 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extension(object, function) Dynamically link the shared object file named by object, and invoke function in that object, to perform initialization. These should both be provided as strings. Returns the value returned by function. < 1302050445 228997 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302050531 455757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: why has it not died yet < 1302050578 379745 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one tough cookie < 1302050648 191014 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: I congratulate you on still existing. < 1302050654 924804 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I not write down haw you do input in R? < 1302050679 79362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1302050679 736619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302050680 601497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag < 1302050681 328431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1302050681 989440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much < 1302050683 975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag < 1302050691 725228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302050693 437467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue < 1302050693 587845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,say QUIT :xuhh < 1302050693 588036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's up now < 1302050693 588217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh < 1302050693 588327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ciconia is still alye < 1302050694 421514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ve < 1302050696 247706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ill wait for it to ping out < 1302050698 709105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODULES> After this operation, 94.1MB of additional disk space will be used. < 1302050700 747872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ciconia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) < 1302050702 628074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm really, really surprised there is no eval() in gawk < 1302050704 696738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ciconia (~ciconia@91.104.253.144) has joined #esoteric < 1302050706 499650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:37:15 BST 2011 < 1302050710 831432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ciconia has quit (Client Quit) < 1302050712 689703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh dear lord! gawk has ZOMGMODULES < 1302050714 608462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : extension(object, function) Dynamicall < 1302050716 630174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that even happen < 1302050718 444783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs show it happening in a normal order < 1302050720 425799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1302050722 614542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1302050724 633023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEHOW < 1302050726 636534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else saw it join and quit on my command < 1302050728 760684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't see it at all < 1302050730 745141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until just now < 1302050732 569480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF FREENODE < 1302050734 844453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1302050755 872023 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302050757 855416 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302050758 5942 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:45:36 BST 2011 < 1302050767 586810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1302050767 752376 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1302050770 527523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1302050770 692569 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1302050773 196984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302050773 346901 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302050776 993837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not right < 1302050777 144137 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not right < 1302050783 666028 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302050784 157378 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302050789 403544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1302050790 649932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I take it it wasn't meant to echo everything you said? < 1302050792 222054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it quit < 1302050794 209522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed < 1302050797 157171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did it quit < 1302050799 685654 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my bot quit, so yours quit. < 1302050803 877816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you exit the program? < 1302050814 667304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302050821 684265 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's echoing all messages that are not otherwise handled. < 1302050827 393807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1302050829 103795 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no processing whatsoever. < 1302050831 149497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that would include the prefix < 1302050838 791470 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRC server will just ignore the prefix, I believe. < 1302050842 866735 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302050843 16837 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:47:04 BST 2011 < 1302050846 33193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TRUE, POOPHEAD? you didn't do that before! < 1302050846 196988 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TRUE, POOPHEAD? you didn't do that before! < 1302050848 851027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say helloa... < 1302050849 972029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1302050850 138214 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1302050851 311893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just fixed that < 1302050851 641376 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just fixed that < 1302050853 645214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf jerk < 1302050853 811015 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf jerk < 1302050860 332387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1302050860 658992 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1302050863 256291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have no idea why it is doing that < 1302050863 406554 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have no idea why it is doing that < 1302050876 85404 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah < 1302050876 693043 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah < 1302050879 183466 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how to get the bot to do something dangerous.
< 1302050879 509293 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how to get the bot to do something dangerous.
< 1302050889 590899 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302050893 894989 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302050894 45292 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:47:56 BST 2011 < 1302050895 370811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say hello < 1302050897 384495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfkgpfghk < 1302050898 694524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302050901 179752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS NOT AN IMPROVEMENT < 1302050923 590789 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302050948 600340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iusdhfiusdhf < 1302050950 103048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so stupid < 1302050959 946725 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302050960 96874 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:49:01 BST 2011 < 1302050961 422603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say hello < 1302050964 548337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1302050975 366094 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302050979 918992 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302050980 68958 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current time is Wed Apr 6 01:49:21 BST 2011 < 1302050981 439948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say hello < 1302050986 165110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . < 1302050986 593506 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :. < 1302050993 35809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate hate hate < 1302050993 198594 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :hate < 1302050997 164338 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x <- readLines(n=1) < 1302050997 427807 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG :x < 1302050999 281229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate you too < 1302050999 636637 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :hate < 1302051014 638945 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing nicer than string manipulation in R, is I/O in R. < 1302051015 28464 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG :the < 1302051015 619086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say < 1302051016 49793 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :,say < 1302051018 789926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say whats her < 1302051023 509270 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need dinner though < 1302051023 754403 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG :i < 1302051026 539802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :................................................................................................................................ < 1302051026 805011 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :................................................................................................................................ < 1302051028 487083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say whats her < 1302051029 865710 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i will be back l7r < 1302051030 28897 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG :so < 1302051030 179013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW < 1302051030 329489 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :HOW < 1302051035 249813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW OWH WOH WOH WO HWO WHO WO HWO HWO HOW HOW HWO HOW HWO HWOH < 1302051035 577549 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :HOW < 1302051037 972823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ej eohoer < 1302051038 465338 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :ej < 1302051038 990938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1302051039 255626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tpjjo < 1302051039 517389 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG :
ACTION < 1302051039 682807 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :tpjjo < 1302051042 593421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1302051042 756609 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :y < 1302051044 732222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1302051044 995945 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :ok < 1302051046 284361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say < 1302051046 480670 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :,say < 1302051047 929443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say x < 1302051050 161479 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG :
TEST
< 1302051050 325197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IS THAT EVEN < 1302051050 590294 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :HOW < 1302051065 813002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 ~ /^:elliott!/ && $2 == "PRIVMSG" && $4 == ":,say" { < 1302051066 78919 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :$1 < 1302051066 229377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : sub(/^.*,say /, "") < 1302051066 229557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : print < 1302051066 229669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fflush() < 1302051066 229774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1302051066 379860 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG : < 1302051066 530186 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG : < 1302051066 734831 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG : < 1302051066 884885 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :} < 1302051069 705359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW < 1302051070 34390 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG :HOW < 1302051071 844425 :ciconia!~ciconia@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302051072 681582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that not work < 1302051079 715689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it trigger for ,say x < 1302051079 890339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I was about to /notice it < 1302051080 711017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not ,sa < 1302051082 527444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,say < 1302051086 101248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how when it triggers for ,say x < 1302051088 256844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not say x < 1302051678 925429 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, time for stuff. < 1302051684 543699 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHARO < 1302051745 662132 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1302051831 890688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: write a bot in yacc < 1302051838 21861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA < 1302052010 747116 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052024 804329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: POOP < 1302052025 135113 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052031 725869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: let me tell it to say things again < 1302052071 379309 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052095 98575 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052140 953084 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052158 342086 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing something even better. < 1302052160 88460 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052164 972185 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: 3 + 5 < 1302052167 440759 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052172 215933 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1302052172 366018 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052179 555909 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right. < 1302052181 747336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/rails-can-scale ;; :D < 1302052182 444829 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 + 5 < 1302052184 608662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'd < 1302052190 427054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: TAUAM IMG IERM OIJ OIJG IORJ OIER;G JER;OIG JIORG POOP < 1302052240 603554 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, er, er. < 1302052267 943842 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052272 4411 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 + 5 < 1302052275 977644 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052307 922114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So is this Pharo it's executing? < 1302052314 437229 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052319 8169 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally. < 1302052342 940112 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052344 836709 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 + 5 < 1302052346 766123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill kill kill < 1302052408 528338 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052417 916485 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes 10,000 obvious mistakes.
< 1302052426 745292 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obvious-in-retrospect mistakes, that is. < 1302052450 171366 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tvvl" stands for "tswettbot evaluate", by the way. < 1302052478 427663 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think freenode has decided to stop connecting me. < 1302052486 355537 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Found your hostname. No Ident response. < 1302052487 49778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEOJIR < 1302052487 678859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGOJ < 1302052488 486385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FK < 1302052488 978460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1302052490 469281 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well?" < 1302052491 454859 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052495 997205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 7 < 1302052496 482041 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yep, that's it." < 1302052497 994434 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here it is. < 1302052501 399459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: be a person < 1302052504 160946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: fight the world < 1302052507 70213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: ARCHUIW < 1302052511 798333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: How goes the R < 1302052512 126575 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't received your 7. < 1302052517 507298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: NEITHER < 1302052517 996666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAS < 1302052518 592608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR < 1302052519 57551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOM < 1302052525 72863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ponder that for a second. < 1302052535 43348 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did. It's meaningless. < 1302052540 970225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID < 1302052568 14691 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052574 923935 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot3: do better. < 1302052575 910516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 9 < 1302052576 236255 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1302052580 9674 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 + 5 < 1302052580 173608 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1302052604 819913 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Now tell it to do something that is destructive, but not to my hard drive. < 1302052610 377622 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its contents. < 1302052613 406171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: true become: false < 1302052623 136732 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job. < 1302052623 793170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for how to delete a file in Squeak, but it seems too difficult. < 1302052630 903010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am very lazy. < 1302052632 804051 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the image crashed. < 1302052641 829680 :tswettbot3!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052641 992725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, (true become: false) tends to have that effect. < 1302052642 156733 :tswettbot2!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302052682 919526 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302052687 61820 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: + + + + + < 1302052689 110031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes the image every time I've tried it in Squeak < 1302052702 299176 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 and: 5 < 1302052711 103770 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the bot has stopped. < 1302052711 987401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe stop trying it, then < 1302052881 323703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, why were you expecting it not to crash? < 1302052891 681645 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: expecting what not to crash? < 1302052896 955475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot < 1302052904 888204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said to do something descritbive < 1302052906 589196 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :When we did what to it? < 1302052908 102310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :descrutive < 1302052916 352453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thoughth you were implying that you sandboxed it < 1302052917 212922 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I did expect the image to crash. < 1302052926 792015 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on throwing it away and reverting. < 1302052935 949116 :tswettbot!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302053072 377855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: fuck it, i'll write it in python < 1302053081 696732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i am ashamed. < 1302053099 663367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: btw |...=... is totally syntax, syntax is evil, you should make it a function < 1302053100 900330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WAIT BETTER < 1302053105 336999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make variables regexps < 1302053113 571558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the variable name for assignment < 1302053115 187029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is .*=.* < 1302053125 662982 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1302053245 852086 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053265 450846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: what. < 1302053275 392438 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing < 1302053278 831111 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it < 1302053282 65867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable thinks i'm crazy. < 1302053284 334451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1302053292 950606 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053293 101111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nottwo < 1302053297 828295 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053297 978599 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello nottwo < 1302053335 485349 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053361 450703 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU TOPIC #esoteric :ESOTERIC LANGUAGES | Catch sufficiently hello world. | An unusually not mephitic forum. | Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html (+Etcha +fixes) | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | variable < 1302053373 900968 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: to quote Bob Dylan, how does it feel? < 1302053403 563801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote Kurt Gödel, "stop poisoning my food". < 1302053407 1510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eminent mathematician < 1302053428 206379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nottwo: btw cpressey is here now :P < 1302053429 358281 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop poisoning my eminent mathematician"? < 1302053433 337319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes. < 1302053437 171793 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053444 618663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it's an invasion < 1302053450 130708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first nottwo < 1302053455 882396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mycrofti1 and quintopi1, and as we all know, 1 is nottwo < 1302053459 917094 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Kevan Davis proves that a person can call themselves "my ", where is a thing they are. < 1302053464 222580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then calamari_ decided to join because he's evil < 1302053467 570056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now z^ck < 1302053472 894489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS. < 1302053486 642011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What. < 1302053500 994916 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. Urban Dead. < 1302053504 963310 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053509 159813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played it. < 1302053516 485186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS JUST BLOGNOMIC < 1302053521 412363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEFORE YOU WISING POPPYCOCKS GOT A HOLD OF HIM < 1302053526 357754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't) < 1302053546 958103 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302053611 20728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you currently a player of Agora Nomic? < 1302053620 72668 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302053630 32187 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. Why, do you know something I don't? < 1302053644 283282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, it *does* seem to flip every month or so. < 1302053649 294935 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R has not started yet, still getting food. < 1302053650 776394 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053650 926724 :nottwo_!~trannie@nottwo.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053652 379838 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053652 881395 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053653 536801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053654 319765 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053656 232096 :chickenzilla!~zack@olol.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302053660 911982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1302053663 962209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE THAT, INVADERS < 1302053674 801493 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My registeredness flips as often as one-dimensional Brownian motion crosses the origin. < 1302053688 260683 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sorry - bacjk < 1302053696 702479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So, every month? < 1302053702 782153 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1302053709 110569 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: no harm done. < 1302053711 804680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this New Kind of Mathematics. < 1302053715 564096 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I guess I should have known picking this name should have < 1302053719 813617 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* picking this name < 1302053729 944441 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away for the night
< 1302053733 686080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, you made no changes to that statement, and it's still incorrect :P < 1302053735 931465 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net NICK :constant < 1302053741 257225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incorrect as in incoherent :P < 1302053742 597755 :constant!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take THAT < 1302053752 157335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :const_pointer_to < 1302053754 167447 :const_pointer_to!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302053761 406532 :const_pointer_to!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :const_int_star < 1302053857 284990 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp. It's that time. < 1302053905 551435 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. I just realized that tswettbot is currently a fully functional nomic. < 1302053909 116456 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad one, but still fully functional. < 1302053926 767383 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has *none* of the features I think a nomic should have. < 1302053933 380808 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the two most important ones. :P < 1302053964 836788 :const_int_star!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1302053990 383725 :constant!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net NICK :tswettbot < 1302054007 356833 :tswettbot!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sending a message. < 1302054013 597784 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot: I shrug at you. < 1302054021 119903 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1302054036 541174 :tswettbot!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net NICK :catseye < 1302054041 257845 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1302054273 256803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1302054363 917898 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302054531 835259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302054597 833803 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard is now a large enough program that the table of contents requires two pages. < 1302054676 173649 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it will ever reach table of contents three pages. < 1302054697 616926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, it is still possible, I guess) < 1302054754 318686 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302054759 993335 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1302054797 924763 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302054798 640578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302054810 653229 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye, elliott. < 1302054818 141321 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302054867 41041 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: HI < 1302054877 14239 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you bet the number of pages of the table of contents, or the number of pages in total? < 1302054894 521360 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302054916 26274 :r-bot!~r-bot@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302054921 831012 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: welcome back. < 1302054927 315317 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1302054930 899642 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r-bot: oh god < 1302054931 902836 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1302054934 585227 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now bye < 1302054936 23191 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302054938 503904 :r-bot!~r-bot@adsl-99-69-126-35.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302054943 974843 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NO BOT < 1302054948 185344 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 ais523 ais523 < 1302055049 542717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Error] *: No such nick/channel. < 1302055058 475992 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302055062 422974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something went wrong between the PMing, I think < 1302055068 190827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got something like nine or ten copies of that < 1302055071 708056 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I've re-sent everything :P < 1302055079 510284 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reopening the query, I'll resend it if you want < 1302055103 278827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've resent in /msg < 1302055285 110827 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps his forehead as he realizes that Unix systems come with a sandbox for free.
< 1302055292 61657 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called userland, isn't it? < 1302055305 109876 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, it can be called Not Giving Everything Root Access. < 1302055332 638369 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not fully useful, of course, but it's... useful enough. < 1302055340 957025 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, finally got it to work :) < 1302055365 426539 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really need some more, then maybe you would need to use system call emulation, as well < 1302055405 107114 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302055412 878564 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: :) < 1302055423 452349 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because you have not entered a password for this user account, anyone can log in to your computer." I didn't know that's how passwordless accounts work... < 1302055453 211050 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It is, if it is allowed that that account is able to log in at all. < 1302055463 887975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two sorts of passwordless, no authentication, and impossible passwords so that only other forms of authentication can be used < 1302055470 194280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then anyone can log in if they know the username. < 1302055470 604758 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should disable login for this account, then. < 1302055472 380632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second's quite common for root nowadays < 1302055492 536326 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I'm doing this tomorrow. Good night, everybody. < 1302055507 415707 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, thanks for your help < 1302055510 375968 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saved me a heap of time < 1302055514 678747 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1302055618 221971 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302055744 896350 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never stub your small toe. < 1302055746 764555 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lord. < 1302055749 319697 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much pain. < 1302055772 450852 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pain has expanded from my small toe to the next toe down. It was too much pain for one toe. < 1302055817 879551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302055818 29751 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302055835 896959 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302055905 955452 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Been there, done that. < 1302055941 159309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have stub my toes sometimes before, but not today. < 1302056051 510980 :comex_!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :SOMEONE_ < 1302056591 316584 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.253.144 QUIT :Quit: IRC is still bad for my health < 1302057205 52481 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/cFRFR1hp < 1302058054 812468 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302058130 517666 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1302058157 203183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello stray < 1302058203 109128 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302058203 440541 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1302058203 590702 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302058406 26512 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302058444 328012 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me why I'm here < 1302058457 376149 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1302058469 170025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you're here < 1302058471 462058 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to serve as a counterexample to others. < 1302058474 487367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hopefully, you have a good reason < 1302058489 908917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things happening for no reason is annoying < 1302058566 768751 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying, but maybe I have no reason. I hope thats nothing worth lamenting < 1302058609 50184 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stray100, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=AZKNe3g4 < 1302058639 267248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: is stray100 a friend of yours? < 1302058648 934428 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you might as well check it out as well < 1302058698 836839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally don't follow links without a good idea of what's at the other end < 1302058710 995550 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about it, its safe < 1302058711 743047 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's an integer displayer i wrote in brainfuck < 1302058712 862520 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1302058723 299159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's interesting < 1302058730 93918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stray100: not just that, pastebins generally are < 1302058734 566838 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only took 12 hours < 1302058735 502828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I only have so much mental bandwidth < 1302058767 90356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that designed for bignum brainfuck? < 1302058776 515374 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302058780 33782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302058786 921700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost certain that program could be a one-liner. < 1302058787 436891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close. < 1302058795 144942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a 5-liner < 1302058805 240972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1302058811 149370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what it does exactly < 1302058812 685083 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1302058814 703303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :input 64, get @ back? < 1302058824 357959 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :input @ get back 64 < 1302058836 890940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are very short decimal routines, I believe. < 1302058845 113072 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surecan < 1302058853 717654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/numwarp.b -- http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/numwarp.png < 1302058858 586362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a decimal routine, but < 1302058864 422516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302058865 239861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/factorial.b < 1302058867 187594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this outputs in decimal < 1302058874 594196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it just needs the decimal part ripping out and , put in front < 1302059181 173755 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302059318 773871 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net NICK :mycroftiv < 1302059381 52450 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent a chess variant with a 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 board. < 1302059397 803134 :stray100!~stray@147.126.10.37 QUIT :Quit: http://irc2go.com/ < 1302059461 416321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302059925 193998 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302060076 864712 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I got another chatroom to hate me! < 1302060465 516388 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Invent a chess variant with a 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 board. // well, my brain just exploded < 1302060487 678743 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations! < 1302060710 109325 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I change Codu's RDNS name to libdl.so? < 1302060730 71119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: only if all its content is accessible that way < 1302060760 224972 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Presently http://libdl.so/ contains little more than a link to http://codu.org/ < 1302060764 647307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, chrome refuses to go to libdl.so directly < 1302060770 52082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it googles it, then asks me if i meant to go to the domain at the top < 1302060770 912432 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm well aware X_X < 1302060774 434185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302060778 522235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS BECAUSE YOU FAIL < 1302060779 929012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERSONALLY < 1302060791 317492 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is naturally the same for lib{c,m}.so < 1302060798 458154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you get libm, or were you just not fiscally responsible enough < 1302060798 958863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1302060800 100469 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox does not have this particular flaw. < 1302060801 286565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a very dubious thing for Chrome to be doing < 1302060801 436903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling you is too easy :/ < 1302060809 777446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, .so didn't exist until $recently < 1302060819 454916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and googling for a so-name seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do < 1302060833 314184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I pushed up the price of libm, thereby giving myself a strong likelihood of getting libc. The guy who bought libm had to bow out of the libc auction, leaving me in the lead if not for 449. < 1302060835 971177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, I'd expect some_magic_script.py to google for that < 1302060842 612867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if .py was added a few months ago :) < 1302060847 572206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there should be some interface mechanism to distinguish, surely? < 1302060853 882621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.so has existed for ages, but has had like ~0 domains since then) < 1302060856 618589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prepend http:// < 1302060864 430897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I'm OK with that < 1302060864 580898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, it'll google and ask you if you meant to go to the domain < 1302060868 678413 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So yes, my wise fiscal choice with libm gave me a greater chance of getting libc, although that didn't work in the end. < 1302060882 143275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Chrome's deletion of http:// in the URL bar would make you have to retype it every time you wanted to edit the URL < 1302060882 799433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, if you do ?foo.so, i.e. explicitly search for it, it doesn't ask you at the top < 1302060885 603562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I do quite a lot < 1302060896 715432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you have a slash in, it interprets it as a URL always < 1302060899 241677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no worries < 1302060907 534936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're editing a subdomain, I guess < 1302060911 308689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1302060920 684328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may even remember whether it's a page you've loaded and special-case based on that, but that sounds like a pain to code so maybe not :) < 1302060921 786346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, Web addresses often have a trailing slash < 1302060936 540960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, domain names have a trailing dot, but nobody seems to care < 1302060973 544911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ondioline.org/~sneakums/mail/now-more-scared-of-viro-than-ever ;; do not regret this google result for foo.libc.so at all < 1302060985 426751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentions dselect, ed, adb, SLS, plan 9 and intercal < 1302060988 365378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot do wrong < 1302061001 866289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's only in the first quote! < 1302061007 108032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1302061007 434006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've read this before < 1302061025 395709 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent a new protocol and implement it on the libdl.so server < 1302061056 147292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what kind of assembler lets you write "eax=foo;" < 1302061067 240807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a semi-famous email by al viro < 1302061117 406164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it's not an assembler, he hard-wrote the machine code < 1302061118 901819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcore < 1302061440 724055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so some things was broken, and they realized how to fix it even though the computer wasn't working very well, is sometimes good thing to learn, instead of just to run the computer without understanding it........ < 1302061605 705050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a Negroid DVD with me." <-- awesome iPhone autocompletion. < 1302061619 231595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is evil. < 1302061622 793815 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/autocompletion/autocorrection/ < 1302061631 355972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please, my iPhone typing in here was far more impressive. < 1302061637 178004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey Gregor, dk't l ;a io iof WHAT its?" < 1302061657 468247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Negroid DVD? < 1302061672 977708 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark. < 1302061704 415897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep '^..:..:.. <(ehird|alise)>' 10.*.* | wc -l < 1302061704 754815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :98606 < 1302061704 905330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/esotericlogs]% grep '^..:..:.. <(ehird|alise)iphone>' 10.*.* | wc -l < 1302061704 905524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5201 < 1302061704 905649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that even possible... < 1302061720 616799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have access to a computer for over half the entire year >_< < 1302061868 265206 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess! < 1302061953 117690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302062812 266126 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it valid in C to write something like sizeof(struct{...}) < 1302062824 309546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess! < 1302062866 404104 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1302062894 667582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...xD < 1302062903 708345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you think he guessed? < 1302062932 923895 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he was measuring sizeof(Negroid DVD) < 1302063056 303673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what they say about blacks. < 1302063065 938891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're SLIGHTLY better than Jews. < 1302063069 135456 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302063785 369275 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.69.126.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302064843 504634 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302065376 125344 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302065585 421193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302065653 505650 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302065932 119133 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302066846 882534 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302067376 513392 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302067916 341684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used sizeof(struct{...}) I calculated 6 but it says 12 is that because it is padded to be word aligned? < 1302068054 937575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1302068525 150176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302068535 91684 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have typedef struct box_node { unsigned char type_and_subtype; struct box_node*next; union{...}; } box_node; Would it possibly be any more efficient in any ways at all if I switched around the order of the first two elements? < 1302068950 407506 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to write the c2 wiki article about PataProgramming? < 1302071186 918823 :vishu91!~vishu@115.246.216.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302071464 332094 :vishu91!~vishu@115.246.216.224 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1302071547 713257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Now is not... < 1302072156 523175 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302072156 673613 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302072156 673769 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302072373 150095 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302073010 199417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302073131 728040 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I am pretty sure Eliezer Yudkowsky once said "a".) < 1302073167 862793 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be rather impressive if somehow he has carefully avoided a particular common word for years without being detected. < 1302077441 606252 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302078434 733503 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302079013 586749 :Lymia!~moe@69.149.32.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302079013 737143 :Lymia!~moe@69.149.32.60 QUIT :Changing host < 1302079013 737310 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302079475 758698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302080488 409462 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229249.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302080598 793279 :cheater-!~cheater@g228063220.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302081190 945174 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302081193 350257 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1302084142 561859 :cheater-!~cheater@g228063220.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302084160 1632 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231104.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302085591 494554 :cheater00!~cheater@g230231104.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302085636 845121 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131040.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302086219 7793 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1302086708 978976 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302087231 640602 :yoR!8db08064@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.176.128.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302087941 636792 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302088164 446174 :yoR!8db08064@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.176.128.100 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302089025 713497 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302091391 174142 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302091408 619536 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131040.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302091519 434373 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302091519 757582 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134188.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302095808 906382 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302096645 862313 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doing" should be pronounced like "boing", but with a 'd' < 1302098223 13982 :cheater-!~cheater@e181136033.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302098275 322084 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: agreed :-) < 1302098275 656692 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134188.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302098279 734906 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/#!/sijmen/status/53042404340662272 < 1302098632 680256 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302098912 346500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302099786 105900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302099990 817829 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302101699 225163 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, elliott says I'm evil. < 1302101710 363055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he'll do that. < 1302101743 917443 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, note to self: Gregor's toes larger toes are farther down than his smaller ones. < 1302101754 249977 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what am I evil for? < 1302101756 916184 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where are you? < 1302101774 455861 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I think he says I'm evil for sleeping. < 1302101790 2413 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and I bet you're awake right now. < 1302101794 152165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I dread to ask how you know about Gregor's feet. < 1302101814 848626 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he said that the pain spread from his small toe to the next toe down. < 1302101832 597485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1302101842 43877 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I'm pretty sure I don't have a backup of Normish, either. I mean, I might possibly. Someone else, like ais523, might also have one. < 1302101851 499424 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but really, is PerlNomic better than another nomic we could come up with? < 1302102397 118021 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200180.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302102464 995729 :cheater-!~cheater@e181136033.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302102788 655956 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302103206 244726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been sitting here for like an hour just looking at tswett's question and i still don't get it < 1302103257 123953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302103281 961251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302103282 824436 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302103336 471959 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the question "what am I evil for"? < 1302103352 893457 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.09: 8k+2k+2x1k+/32 to Australia, 256k+16k+8k to China, 8k to Hong Kong, 1k+256 to Indonesia, 256k+128k+64k+8k+2x2k+6x1k+5x256 to India, 2k to Japan, 8k+/32 to Malaysia, 1k to Nepal, 1k+256 to New Zealand, 1k+256 to Pakistan, 512k+128k to Taiwan, 16k to Vietnam. < 1302103362 478740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302103375 832461 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is PerlNomic better than another nomic we could come up with"? < 1302103397 679090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :knjh < 1302103411 229700 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get that; please repeat. < 1302103424 591150 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry accidentally answered in finnish < 1302103425 574590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1302103440 990989 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depletion estimate still Wednesday, 13th April. < 1302103460 981213 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inviting elliott to imagine another nomic we could come up with, and determine whether or not PerlNomic is better than it. < 1302103480 959087 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's allowed < 1302103493 592393 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an override form. < 1302103511 205351 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logspace left: /8.88 < 1302103613 253663 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative depletion: 14.0%. < 1302103705 238702 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302103751 2284 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302103763 264784 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, R-type < 1302103791 648367 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clears his throat
< 1302103803 242366 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey R-type, what's up? < 1302103803 936969 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302103827 814787 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-type: is it true what they say, that you are an IRC bot I wrote in R? < 1302103828 636520 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302103889 839946 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it also true that when you look for "R-type" in what other people type, you're not exactly reliable, because R's idea of "stdin" (which differs from its idea of stdin()) drops characters? < 1302103890 362635 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302103926 871613 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stdin() is the currently executing program, btw) < 1302103954 59593 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whacks R-type
< 1302103954 711286 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302103964 561257 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was fun < 1302103967 380357 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302103969 553538 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302104410 290942 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302104704 792578 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT : < 1302104753 769392 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302104755 403009 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302104763 523284 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettbot-boxed should be sandboxed. < 1302104797 261532 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 + 5 < 1302104797 424684 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1302104801 731641 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Treat it right good forever. < 1302104840 459629 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't crash it. Don't make outgoing network connections. If you must choose between crashing it and making outgoing network connections, crash it. < 1302104866 421333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: make some outgoing network connections, please. < 1302104876 809635 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 3 + 5 < 1302104888 908860 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you technically didn't crash it. < 1302104964 154489 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302104968 662018 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not crashed, but it is dead. < 1302104996 47652 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forkbomb me or fill up my hard drive. Do try to execute code as root. If you succeed, please crash it and notify me. :P < 1302105058 817196 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302105108 905738 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302105114 802867 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302105152 254851 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi lament. < 1302105476 866733 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302105504 827683 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wow, APNIC exceeded 800Mi allocated/assigned IPv4 addresses. < 1302105560 365679 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is 50x/8. < 1302105667 802564 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302105787 613893 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, you can change tswettbot permanently. < 1302105798 804235 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Object subclass: #StupidClass < 1302105799 227681 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :StupidClass < 1302105805 295616 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132173.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302105831 922887 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it might be that all the normal allocations APNIC will allocate are in alread (due to 5-day FIFO policy). < 1302105843 279362 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Smalltalk saveSession < 1302105850 604108 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk < 1302105857 863833 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm not sure it's capable of saving. < 1302105892 854276 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302105898 848646 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200180.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302105927 536772 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pharo cannot locate the sources file named /Applications/PharoV10.sources." < 1302105948 875601 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302105961 389837 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's now a class called StupidClass. < 1302106216 441257 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Smalltalk platformName < 1302106216 768108 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS < 1302106277 484412 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Smalltalk snapshot: true andQuit: true < 1302106278 473351 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302106398 883820 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302106402 68512 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, it did indeed save successfully. < 1302106407 900237 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: StupidClass new < 1302106408 89720 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a StupidClass < 1302106552 901369 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: StupidClass removeFromSystem < 1302106553 114293 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnObsoleteStupidClass < 1302106560 537167 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: StupidClass < 1302106560 763438 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil < 1302106567 730684 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: AnObsoleteStupidClass < 1302106567 956666 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil < 1302106878 427651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302108311 222998 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141212.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302108335 165009 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132173.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302108618 654402 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can there exist decision problems that are equally difficult (for any of big-oh, big omega or big theta) yet not reducible to each other? < 1302108729 599684 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302108884 896200 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302108909 803705 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302109404 912056 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302109405 395752 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302109405 546034 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302109501 103999 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302109670 941282 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302109755 60462 :marchdown!~marchdown@46.138.173.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302110125 455083 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can there exist decision problems that are equally difficult (for any of big-oh, big omega or big theta) yet not reducible to each other? < 1302110134 146847 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes < 1302110228 19523 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whether there actual examples, i don't know - but complexity theory seems to have a lot of trouble proving that things are not reducible to each other unless there is a clear O() separation < 1302110228 621766 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a question that should have been proven? < 1302110258 353741 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's easy, somebody probably proved it. but it might be very hard... < 1302110264 276482 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it seems to be so central to a lot of things < 1302110329 359428 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for example the current guess would be that NP-complete and PSPACE-complete problems are disjoint, but both require exponential time < 1302110372 25633 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302110437 497389 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whether there are < 1302110487 358441 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the guess is based on there being at least one measure (nondeterministic time) for which they are not O()-compatible. < 1302110518 377439 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any complexity class C, wouldn't any problem that's known not to be C-complete qualify? I mean, if all other problems in the same class were reducible to it, wouldn't it then be C-complete? < 1302110562 428305 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that's not enough if you want it non-reducible both ways. < 1302110587 33870 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most complexity classes don't contain only problems of the same difficulty... < 1302110617 278303 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complete ones being the most difficult ones, and all others being simpler. although not necessarily by all measures... < 1302110666 695784 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also known that if P is not NP then there are in-between problems that are neither P nor NP-complete. they might also qualify... < 1302110704 597831 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302110715 840924 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-complete and BQP-complete (actually does BQP have complete problems?) might be two classes that are both probably exponential time yet not reducible either way < 1302110727 472735 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1302110729 120324 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1302110733 618910 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the current guess < 1302110754 667471 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complexity people seem to be all about guesswork. < 1302110754 937889 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, no one can prove it :D < 1302110977 960068 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: approximation of jones polynomials is BQP-complete < 1302111000 570338 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1302111055 982289 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a few online, but they're mostly behind pay walls < 1302111062 303877 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(articles about BQP, that is) < 1302111068 726157 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1302111189 346623 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Several natural BQP-complete problems", http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0606179 (Disclaimer: read only the abstract.) < 1302111271 551511 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1302111647 254965 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302112596 880483 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302112597 31105 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302112597 31322 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302112603 620632 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey R-type < 1302112612 688712 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey R-type, I said < 1302112613 134409 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302112628 757164 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ok. In R, "stdin" is NON-BLOCKING. < 1302112679 885205 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-type now connects directly to IRC by opening a connection with socketConnection(...,blocking=TRUE). So it no longer drops characters on input. But, it doesn't recognize its name at the end of a string. < 1302112680 248561 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302112702 65566 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BETTER-types < 1302112702 421385 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302112756 67002 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to make it :ACTION groans, but that would involve outputting a chr$(1) and I'm not at that level of R mastery yet. < 1302112816 525451 :R-type!~R-type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302113221 905871 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greatest configuration dialog option labels: "Restrict Real-Valued Ducks to Top Right Quadrant". < 1302113498 878145 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302113704 45866 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302113704 233438 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113704 233633 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113722 308953 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi there, R-Type < 1302113723 62276 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113752 182273 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :length(grep(needle, haystack, fixed=TRUE)) > 0 FTW < 1302113857 574269 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113891 55144 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302113914 121233 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302113914 310091 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113914 310246 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113956 722992 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302113959 871193 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302114218 235150 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302114458 244072 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :BETTER-Types < 1302114468 996759 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302114469 147370 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302114469 147535 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302114473 589615 :BETTER-Types!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hai < 1302114473 740987 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302114480 75952 :BETTER-Types!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1302114480 226842 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302114485 186571 :BETTER-Types!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :cpressey < 1302114499 320549 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302114521 80816 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 NICK :quintopia < 1302114530 450771 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1302114530 603589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1302114536 252440 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're theoretical computer scientists -- we're obsessed with BETTER-Types" < 1302115188 303394 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302115235 280320 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302115445 798224 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, today's APNIC address space consumption was only 76% of average. :-) < 1302115484 434070 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average day would be 0.116. < 1302115650 382782 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302115650 549577 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls
< 1302115650 700205 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls
< 1302115659 878906 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again R-Type < 1302115660 739573 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls
< 1302115670 449673 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302115808 951919 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302115874 108018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302116150 888561 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At present allocation rates, it takes about an hour on average to burn a /16. < 1302116343 309678 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/TNGJcMNq < 1302116380 860370 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302116412 271886 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type is SO LUCKY to have been written in the LANGUAGE OF THE FUTURE: http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2011/03/revolutions-chief-scientist-r-is-the-language-of-the-future.html < 1302116446 413521 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302117493 153853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302117509 44333 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302118587 55421 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302118631 424605 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302119458 654354 :SOMEONE_!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :comex < 1302119607 82838 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302120242 146496 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141212.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302122162 454825 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302122332 661590 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : but whether there actual examples, i don't know - but complexity theory seems to have a lot of trouble proving that things are not reducible to each other unless there is a clear O() separation < 1302122342 559738 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh, ... YES < 1302122404 16731 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds some coolant to cpressey's head to prevent it exploding
< 1302122519 607250 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we could universally quantify constructively over the space of all terminating algorithms < 1302122534 178966 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there, you see, no reduction." < 1302122534 378477 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302122589 303161 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302122946 293776 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cpressey < 1302122960 168118 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that video either passed through the shit filter < 1302122963 118710 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is completely CGI < 1302123140 339436 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imk0tter: the video with the guy talking about how R is the language of the future? It looked fine to me, but to even get it to play I had to right-click and select "Watch on YouTube" < 1302123491 29759 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh well in that case < 1302123506 696365 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my internet is being regulated and passed through a shit filter < 1302123515 415944 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause almost every video i see these days looks fake < 1302123846 284488 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302124149 280407 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302124631 45143 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302126080 203054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302126239 29404 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302126239 217226 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls
< 1302126239 217387 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls
< 1302126246 390059 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to fix that < 1302126592 823903 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302126677 387083 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo.... the regexp engine can't return groups captured. < 1302126706 970848 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... will have to use... dear me, this will be interesting. < 1302127374 435260 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strsplit(gsub('^:(.*?)\\!(.*?)\\s+PRIVMSG\\s+(.*?)\\s+\\:(.*?)$', '\\1\u2603\\2\u2603\\3\u2603\\4', line, perl=TRUE), '\u2603', fixed=TRUE) < 1302127386 62676 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNICODE SNOWMAN AS FIELD SEPERATOR < 1302127741 89772 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack, then to index this thing you have to say: nick <- foo[[1]][1]; channel <- foo[[1]][3]; ... < 1302128206 48423 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302128235 400359 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302128245 68257 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi R-Type < 1302128245 363593 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302128365 406369 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me a reason why you wouldn't be using the unicode snowman for the field separator < 1302128476 402958 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302128486 276529 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi R-Type < 1302128507 606083 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anythign < 1302128515 14877 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302128538 34675 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like he needs to put new batteries in his remote? < 1302128548 522412 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the garage door won't open < 1302128574 330472 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302128584 723948 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halloooooo < 1302128585 316342 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302128605 43690 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is happy
< 1302128605 572676 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302128640 875898 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302128844 894467 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302128852 879243 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION talks
< 1302128857 341761 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :la la la < 1302128860 68370 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi R-Type < 1302128860 231583 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans
< 1302128868 340605 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type: cheer up < 1302128868 491062 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302128902 62328 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've modelled its personality after a cat I met once) < 1302128962 121736 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302129010 591679 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT : < 1302129271 293505 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302129290 58543 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type, catch sufficiently hello world < 1302129290 314929 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hisses
< 1302129304 61864 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are lovely R-Type < 1302129304 361041 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302129313 683666 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-Type < 1302129313 908937 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans
< 1302129473 258802 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more, R-Type < 1302129473 452048 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302129474 778027 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more, R-Type < 1302129474 959071 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302129476 759224 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more, R-Type < 1302129477 10421 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans
< 1302129485 839749 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg spam < 1302129495 2387 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg not in this channel < 1302129502 831726 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would NEVER happen. < 1302129522 255359 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to get R-Type to exhibit its fourth behavior < 1302129522 483408 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans
< 1302129536 238065 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302129543 51820 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pets R-Type
< 1302129543 239434 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302129573 986476 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws ball of string past R-Type
< 1302129574 181378 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302129597 416448 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random sample, my foot. If R isn't good at that, what IS it good for? < 1302129605 496878 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type! < 1302129605 690960 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hisses
< 1302129745 573890 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-Type_Tactics_II:_Operation_Bitter_Chocolate < 1302129745 827737 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302129751 569925 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE you go, at last < 1302130164 112617 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 QUIT :Quit: Guide knot < 1302130940 107464 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 'R-Type' < 1302130940 272707 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type < 1302130940 423082 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1302130940 573587 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans
< 1302130999 39414 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type followed his own instruction. < 1302130999 307811 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hisses
< 1302131004 613677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-Type_Tactics_II:_Operation_Bitter_Chocolate <-- what a silly name < 1302131004 812508 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hisses
< 1302131022 606204 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? I've had enough of "it". From now on, I'm referring to all things as either "him" or "her". < 1302131037 339329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type, why do you keep hissing? < 1302131037 530862 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at Vorpal
< 1302131043 224512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a bot < 1302131047 18596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that response time < 1302131076 218316 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302131094 742094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no CTCP VERSION reply from that bot < 1302131118 465714 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302131118 615811 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302131118 615905 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302131131 594453 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Vorpal, I did not find it desirable to implement that function in my bot < 1302131138 958756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302131144 243608 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot, written in R, the language of the future < 1302131170 470989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, R... Hm... Is that one of the crazily compact array ones? < 1302131189 942083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like J and APL and so on < 1302131199 99652 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr it's one of the "array ones" but it's not so crazily compact as APL, no < 1302131207 605183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302131215 676709 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for doing Data Science! < 1302131223 265402 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing bots! < 1302131224 328880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :R, J <-- I think there is a pattern in the names... < 1302131236 174930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is pretty short too < 1302131243 488193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is K too isn't there? < 1302131244 680020 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you refering to the fact that those names are both one letter long? < 1302131255 551202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yes and isn't there an array one called K as well? < 1302131270 667243 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's one called C. I believe it supports arrays < 1302131276 343132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, har. < 1302131307 297075 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302131321 369420 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: He's raining. < 1302131322 119323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really. R, J, K are all array processing languages. And have one letter names. There might be a pattern there. Should be investigated further. < 1302131335 581171 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ...good point. < 1302131396 906856 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Might as well just speak French, if you're going to do that, I think. < 1302131411 509940 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look! There he has three birds!" < 1302131433 101037 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather "He there has three birds!" < 1302131459 724744 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1302131472 860496 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K is rather insane. Maybe... naw. < 1302131476 279107 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1302131477 730142 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302133494 482766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302133740 641572 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060015.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302133792 358679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so, Pharo 1.2.1 was just released < 1302133814 206970 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1302133887 699259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't see alien support in the list of changes
< 1302133913 322160 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134108.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302134252 605478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they _test_ the non default themes? At all? < 1302134256 209534 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro sucks! < 1302134268 866118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(buttons are hard to read) < 1302134306 797729 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It annoys me that there are global constants (variables?) that aren't classes. < 1302134312 621041 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transcript and Smalltalk, for example. Maybe others. < 1302134445 146699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk at: #One put: 1. < 1302134940 135090 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302135039 171662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk globals keysAndValuesDo: [:key :value | < 1302135039 434175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (value class class = Metaclass) ifFalse: [ < 1302135039 584595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Transcript cr. < 1302135039 584750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Transcript show: key]] < 1302135054 650278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May have some false positives < 1302135269 635703 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my image, there are 16. < 1302135312 652616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have many more than 16 < 1302135326 233332 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are traits. < 1302135329 463668 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are like classes. < 1302135335 2597 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302135338 807052 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302135354 590555 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1302135370 615148 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimist, Sensor, SystemOrganization, World, Display, ActiveEvent, TextConstants, Smalltalk, Processor, ScheduledControllers, Transcript, SourceFiles, ActiveHand, ActiveWorld, Undeclared, ImageImports. < 1302135382 199548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveWorld! < 1302135388 307596 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302135403 806286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Optimist < 1302135412 314817 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimist is strange. It's a True. < 1302135433 902004 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it's true. < 1302135460 965055 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302135526 517570 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302135688 116720 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302136515 469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : ActiveWorld! <-- different one I suspect < 1302136554 907529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Optimist is strange. It's a True. <-- Pessimist should be False then? < 1302136670 65579 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be, but it isn't. < 1302137834 246848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what uses Optimist? < 1302137839 107589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to determine? < 1302138553 379009 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, let me see. < 1302138614 253687 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any way to determine that. You could look through all of the code in the system and see if it uses Optimist. < 1302138643 442686 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could replace Optimist with an object that pretends to be true but logs all its accesses. < 1302138668 453572 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: bot < 1302138668 654896 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil < 1302138688 824002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Smalltalk globals remove: #Smalltalk < 1302138697 523756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1302138707 317678 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries, this bot is supposed to be abused. < 1302138710 194846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I had something more creative in mind < 1302138713 655563 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *made* to be abused, but it's supposed to be. :P < 1302138716 899873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: bot < 1302138733 668396 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like that expression is simply an error. < 1302138742 85861 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image is still working perfectly. < 1302138765 443194 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest "Smalltalk globals at: #Smalltalk put: nil". < 1302138767 363600 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302138781 946711 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see what that does. < 1302138783 757746 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Smalltalk globals at: #Smalltalk put: nil < 1302138784 22672 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil < 1302138792 82237 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: Smalltalk < 1302138792 774834 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302138808 858963 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. *Now* the image has crashed. < 1302138846 998254 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302138900 129704 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302138901 942068 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to repair the bot through IRC. :P < 1302138917 950824 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to fix a certain method. < 1302138970 510979 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: (ZbasuDefaultHandler methodDictionary at: #bot:heard:) methodSourceString < 1302138982 468680 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not how that works. < 1302138987 631794 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dismiss you, tswettbot. < 1302138990 266713 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1302138995 721386 :tswettbot-boxed!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302139011 752674 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302139028 742943 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: (ZbasuDefaultHandler methodDictionary at: #bot:heard:) getSource < 1302139029 6495 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot: t1 heard: t2 < 1302139047 468186 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it sends every line of that as a separate IRC command. < 1302139071 474471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zbasu? < 1302139077 573679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1302139080 860962 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that's the name of the project. < 1302139198 363678 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: (ZbasuDefaultHandler methodDictionary at: #bot:heard:) getSource withBlanksCondensed < 1302139198 766086 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot: t1 heard: t2 | t3 t4 | < 1302139212 52213 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much help. < 1302139378 375991 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: (ZbasuDefaultHandler methodDictionary at: #bot:heard:) getSource onlyLetters < 1302139378 659718 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottheardtttTranscriptshowRCVDtcrtbeginsWithPINGifTruetsendMessagePONGtincludesSubStringIdismissyoutswettbotifTruetquitttvvlttfindStringttifFalsetsendMessagePRIVMSGesotericCompilerevaluatetallButFirsttsizetnotifyingnilloggedfalseasString < 1302139382 364347 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302139499 930534 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: (ZbasuDefaultHandler methodDictionary at: #bot:heard:) getSource select: [:x | x ~= Character cr and: [x ~= Character lf]] < 1302139500 238503 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot: t1 heard: t2 | t3 t4 | Transcript show: 'RCVD: ' , t2; cr. (t2 beginsWith: 'PING') ifTrue: [t1 sendMessage: 'PONG']. (t2 includesSubString: 'I dismiss you, tswettbot') ifTrue: [t1 quit]. t3 := 'tvvl: '. t4 := t2 findString: t3. t4 = 0 ifFalse: [t1 sendMessage: 'PRIVMSG #esoteric :' , (Compiler evaluate: (t2 allButFirst: t3 size + t4 - 1) notifying: nil logged: false) asString] < 1302139655 518652 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: (ZbasuDefaultHandler methodDictionary at: #bot:heard:) getSource select: [:x | ({Character cr. Character lf. Character tab} includes: x) not] < 1302139655 817301 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot: t1 heard: t2 | t3 t4 |Transcript show: 'RCVD: ' , t2; cr.(t2 beginsWith: 'PING')ifTrue: [t1 sendMessage: 'PONG'].(t2 includesSubString: 'I dismiss you, tswettbot')ifTrue: [t1 quit].t3 := 'tvvl: '.t4 := t2 findString: t3.t4 = 0ifFalse: [t1 sendMessage: 'PRIVMSG #esoteric :' , (Compilerevaluate: (t2 allButFirst: t3 size + t4 - 1)notifying: nillogged: false) asString] < 1302139664 915727 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, there's your source code. :P < 1302139706 947953 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, interesting. All the argument names are absent. < 1302139753 860903 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the argument names in the entire image. And there are no comments. < 1302139764 407605 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that's supposed to happen when the sources file can't be found. < 1302140272 483407 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302140609 950343 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eir < 1302141133 473935 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I know, i know. < 1302141137 112220 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/I/ < 1302141786 496547 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1302141786 496627 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1302141786 496784 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1302141786 496859 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1302141786 496937 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1302141786 497014 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360733 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302142160 474320 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302142241 461548 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302142320 574424 :tswettbot-boxed-!~tswettbot@c-71-205-204-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302142957 329444 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302142997 493984 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302143253 595865 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302144205 149503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you always join but never leave, how is that possible < 1302144215 746593 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1302144584 559726 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302144674 490612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i've just never noticed you leave < 1302144684 638041 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not paying attention then! < 1302144686 575871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay complexity theory has been discussed here < 1302144711 963792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you had done some sorta magix < 1302144757 197878 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are sparse NP-complete sets with respect to many-to-one reductions, then P=NP, same for sparse coNP-complete sets < 1302144802 77594 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparse = for some polynomial p there are at most p(n) words of length n in the language < 1302144896 691045 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: even worse, if there's unary languages that are NP-complete, P=NP < 1302144916 664470 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i'm actually just now writing the proof of that < 1302144936 497557 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1302144942 295360 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to share it once it's done? < 1302144973 550072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy one: if there's a tally set (subset of 1^*) that's NP-complete, then P=NP: take an SAT instance, and one var at a time branch to both the true and the false case, now just note the set of formulas you get never gets exponential because you can prune out two formulas if they have the same image in the tally set < 1302144985 414059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was writing it for your pleasure < 1302144996 150321 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was kinda simplified < 1302145003 625813 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be happy to get into the details ofc < 1302145076 912445 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an SAT encoding where setting a value to true or false doesn't increase its length < 1302145100 581727 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahm < 1302145102 294417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then let p be a polynomial such that the reduction from SAT to the tally set takes time at most p < 1302145145 151046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and note that if the SAT instance has size n, then the images of all formulas you get when branching are at most size p(n) < 1302145193 622798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact there are at most p(n) formulas you need to keep track of, because for all formulas, you can remove them if they don't have an image in 1^*, and if they do have an image in 1^*, it's at most length p(n), and for each length, you store just one formula < 1302145229 644128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be the key points < 1302145249 844777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it followable? < 1302145260 209658 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a random list of facts < 1302145293 100915 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, yeah I get the gist of it < 1302145305 967167 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, btw, how would a language like < 1302145339 472698 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1^(R(x,y), x and y being any integer, and R() being the Ramsey numbers < 1302145342 59096 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :be classed? < 1302145365 959271 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R(x,y) is very difficult to compute, but is that even relevant to the language itself? < 1302145413 454582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure no one knows a fast algorithm for that because R(5,5) is open < 1302145420 619538 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1302145422 593391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 43-49 iirc < 1302145427 206407 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean that language is difficult < 1302145430 752369 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ever played with agda? < 1302145433 740618 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too? < 1302145493 364106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: even though tally sets cannot be NP-complete, they can be exponential time or even uncomputable < 1302145505 59424 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302145516 128636 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know ... < 1302145516 391863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something about NP-hardness < 1302145529 284303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well we certainly know they can be uncomputable < 1302145536 214252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's trivial < 1302145552 607941 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the NP-completeness is unknown, that was my point < 1302145567 177094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm okay it seems that < 1302145578 598763 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does P=NP => NP-complete tally sets, or is it just NP-complete tally sets => P=NP? < 1302145595 448378 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if P=NP, then {1} is MP-complete < 1302145645 368060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my ct books says tally sets cannot be even bounded truth table hard for NP < 1302145663 485714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's essentially the same thing < 1302145685 926756 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302145688 679353 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I read the thing about tally sets first < 1302145695 386675 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that's pretty much proof that P!=NP < 1302145726 278525 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe at least the closest we have? < 1302145744 427864 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm the reason i gave the proof is that it's a simple little thingie < 1302145765 380904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparse NP-complete => P=NP is much more interesting < 1302145797 650445 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I figured that much < 1302145829 839709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't understand it. i have understood the details separately, once upon a time, but i'm not sure i ever really got what the idea was < 1302145863 742404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparse coNP-complete => P=NP is essentially the same as that tally set proof, but i don't recall how it goes, similar pruning thing < 1302145866 618312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no < 1302145877 850717 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should < 1302145878 673299 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fun < 1302145889 746271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it is < 1302145928 155941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm, i should go to work < 1302145958 201320 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently realized I should learn javascript :| < 1302146192 647367 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha < 1302146308 809008 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1302146316 293663 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is a terrible thing to realize < 1302146626 884460 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/javascript_the_evil_parts.png <-- recommended book to learn from < 1302146760 684061 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it already! < 1302146786 785475 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1302146986 97190 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you do math, right? < 1302146989 163924 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! < 1302147041 275858 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I don't do math :P < 1302147046 940406 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you < 1302147051 18959 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just saying hi to you < 1302147061 990836 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're saying "Gregor!" to me. < 1302147067 598149 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durpadoopadlip < 1302147080 720568 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302147081 969379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes < 1302147112 369044 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, thats a way of saying hi < 1302147116 949885 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, you can do math in agda! < 1302147124 298379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can but umm. < 1302147124 557836 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, im doing abstract algebra right now! < 1302147131 390979 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do math in JavaScript too X-P < 1302147136 998004 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i mean proofs < 1302147137 590316 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's abstract algebra, is it universal algebra? < 1302147147 479625 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: And I mean to trollolol :P < 1302147156 737037 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eh. in this case its just some graph-theoretic stuff i guess? < 1302147161 715909 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1302147188 562067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302147199 995179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be pretty damn abstract if you don't know what it is < 1302147256 772280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wp, abstract algebra is the same as universal algebra < 1302147264 534319 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I didn't get libc.so *sobblecopter* < 1302147287 82726 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sux4u < 1302147287 233178 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302147328 625924 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Why even say "hi" if I can't then relate personal tragedy :P < 1302147330 516885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine doing math in agda would be similar to programming in brainfuck, sure it can be fun but you'll be proving 1+1=2. < 1302147387 206967 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: courtesy < 1302147394 522198 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hardly! < 1302147449 676309 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently im proving that any graph order built from Unit and disjunctive concatenation will be a linear order < 1302147462 168724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :disjunctive concatenation? < 1302147536 816229 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302147537 81111 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenation with disjoint union of the underlying sets < 1302147560 47214 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you "concatenate" graphs < 1302147567 894963 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question! < 1302147577 526580 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, its roughly like so < 1302147698 330721 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X, arrX) ++ (Y, arrY) = (X + Y, \(z,z') -> if z z' <- X then arrX z z' else if z <- X & z' <- Y then true else if z <- Y & z' <- X then false else if z z' <- Y then arrY z z') < 1302147718 787545 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the relevant isomorphism to make the new relation be of type (X + Y) x (X + Y) -> Bool < 1302147732 437635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so connect vertices of X to those of Y < 1302147733 520208 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly speaking < 1302147747 71540 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the X's point to the Y's < 1302147749 400161 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclusively < 1302147759 273390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously that's a total order < 1302147764 218504 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1302147768 515070 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the X's dont point to themselves < 1302147772 104550 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total orders are reflexive < 1302147778 28323 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear orders are irreflexive < 1302147784 416278 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it COULD be total < 1302147785 572064 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or linear < 1302147805 971674 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on whether you state from (1, const True) or (1, const False) < 1302147814 323980 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is a total order, the latter is a linear order < 1302147820 468443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay linear, point is that's obvious, easier than 1+1=2 < 1302147838 903220 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps! depends on how you define 1, 2, and + :) < 1302147840 918260 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and =! < 1302147851 644518 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its neat cause ive got a _proof_ < 1302147852 297935 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1302147865 519982 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still constructing the proof that (1, const False) is a linear order < 1302147870 142019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's NEAT, but it's not math < 1302147883 770790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's math but it's kidss math < 1302147886 776393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kids' < 1302147922 791634 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302147926 237795 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1302147935 526280 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do growed up math too! < 1302147939 413980 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just not doing that kind of math < 1302147945 671598 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its not relevant to my work < 1302147948 982193 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing math is all about the basic idea, formal proof is a lot of fun, but it's not really why i'm into math < 1302147966 976765 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever :| < 1302147981 398420 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on a course about formal proving < 1302147984 710255 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we use HOL < 1302148017 269649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully i'll be able to prove that same theorem in a month or so < 1302148021 295274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i could do it now < 1302148119 344222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay gotta go -> < 1302148219 265026 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya oklopol < 1302148220 451688 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1302148990 392830 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302149441 356761 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302149503 541127 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302150355 840810 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302150357 988029 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302151428 108128 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302152712 944749 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :wharrrgarbl < 1302153177 912737 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302153453 89961 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302154072 311749 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302154164 941188 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302154717 237144 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302154717 429832 :fizzie!~fis@iris.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302154722 71708 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302154985 750414 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302156213 804309 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302156986 801494 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302158944 584843 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302159039 190199 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302159039 377385 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1302159039 377549 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302161123 969195 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302161352 70262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302162753 190305 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132032.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302162809 900951 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060015.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302165283 780217 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, usenet: < 1302165284 44294 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newsgroups: sci.math,comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.lang.c,alt.religion.christianity < 1302165284 194915 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: Alpha and Omega R-Language Computer Code|Robot Jesus|Sermon on the Mount| < 1302165309 915736 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302166653 224956 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite esoteric - http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.0924v1 < 1302167316 51158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302168616 195236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Newsgroups: sci.math,comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.lang.c,alt.religion.christianity <-- that's a joke, right? < 1302168648 242812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that list... < 1302168664 656340 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or was that not a To list for one message? < 1302168690 408818 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "To:" header in postings; but it was a Newsgroups: header for one (crossposted) message, yes. < 1302168719 700526 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it does have both "computer code" and "robot jesus" in the subject, why not. < 1302168777 630556 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents didn't really make sense, though: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/5e1c4335efdc2ecf < 1302168781 18148 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How surprising.) < 1302169359 718490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks like program code < 1302169372 605805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably in R as it said in the subject < 1302169381 409116 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax looks like R, yes. < 1302169389 330007 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except those quotation bits. < 1302169391 658235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know R however. < 1302169411 989748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could be some sort of comment? I don't know < 1302169421 42173 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an R expert either, but I doubt "be comforted by the words which I give unto" is valid syntax. < 1302169442 817396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be doing the intercal way. Invalid syntax = comment < 1302169452 781663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1302169455 434225 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R comments are from # to end-of-line. < 1302169461 260595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302169567 811768 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same author posted a P=NP "proof" the other day, too. < 1302169607 692769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1302170638 61031 :nooga_!nooga@jasminek.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302171639 925637 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302171647 590348 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302171667 757822 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302171901 33453 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302171920 238240 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302172384 738701 :lmk0tter!6c293d77@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.41.61.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302172392 23471 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302172471 413865 :lmk0tter!6c293d77@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.41.61.119 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302172660 915465 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT : < 1302172679 798719 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302173710 164683 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302173715 44705 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302176774 675770 :k0tk0t!~k0tk0t@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302176781 388772 :PatashuNuMou!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1302176830 812949 :k0tk0t!~k0tk0t@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>+>>++++++[<<[>++<-]>[<+++++>-]>-]<<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>+<<<<[>>>>>>>>>>>[-]+[<<<<<<<<<<<<<[->>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<]>>>[->>>>>>+<<<<<<]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>>>[>[-<->>>+<]<<]<[>]>[-<<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>>]>[-]>>>+<[-<<<<<<<<->>>>>>>>]<<<<<<<<[[-]>>>>>>>>>->-<<<<<<<<<<]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]>>>>>>>>>]<[->>+>+<<<]++++++[->>++++++++<<]>>.[-]>[-<<<<<<<<<<<<[-]<[->+>+<<]>>[<<+>>-]<[->>>>>>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<<<<<<]>>>>>>>>>>>>]>[ < 1302177028 542033 :PatashuNuMou!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, bf joust < 1302177062 642830 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302177064 562224 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302177192 733525 :k0tk0t!~k0tk0t@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302177214 175929 :k0tk0t!~k0tk0t@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302177331 113713 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302177501 929878 :k0tk0t!~k0tk0t@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone familiar with brainfuck? < 1302177559 233126 :k0tk0t!~k0tk0t@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: k0tk0t < 1302177593 43513 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302177736 617914 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302177769 871681 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone familiar with brainfuck? <-- yes, to some degree < 1302177849 381686 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I think bf is one of the few languages where output of a good optimising compiler might be easier to follow than the original source code for most programs. < 1302177886 267285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course it is probably possible to obfuscate code in many languages to get that effect there too) < 1302178006 893146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably the same goes for some other easily compileable tarpits < 1302178119 500000 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302178291 503186 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302178440 172887 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302179090 339337 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302179530 483195 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. I seemingly got signed up to one mailing list in "opt-out" fashion (quite understandable given the situation). < 1302179542 551986 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302179558 129471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what mailing list heh? < 1302179607 750961 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, basically one mailing list was shut down and new one created to continue (apparently mailman can't rename mailing lists). < 1302179622 282162 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302179626 760178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes sense then < 1302179630 177833 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the admins copied the subscriber lists. < 1302179634 946258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, mailmail doesn't) < 1302179673 508289 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All data wasn't copied. The password changed for instance. < 1302179709 448990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1302179795 344248 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART #esoteric :"Leaving." < 1302181156 305156 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302181200 92705 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302181283 141039 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302181605 69746 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302181678 727300 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302181789 137191 :PatashuNuMou!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1302182098 735527 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302182845 494846 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302182952 316579 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302183882 133523 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302185667 435882 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137181.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302185721 224817 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132032.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302186534 177231 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-138-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302186923 48952 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302186951 124000 :Slereah!~buttes@92.139.36.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302186985 242919 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type! You survived the night! < 1302186985 447313 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302187005 322379 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I credit your good attitude. < 1302187149 296090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302187398 582066 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com NICK :wareya < 1302188088 556443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm, why did you make the bot act like that? Is it a reference I'm missing or something? < 1302188515 322703 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well: I wanted to write a bot in R, just because R is a horrible language to do such a thing in. I named it 'R-Type' because 'rbot' was taken, 'R-bot' is boring, and R-Type was a significant game in the history of video games (not a huge favorite of mine, but I can appreciate it.) Since the point was just to write a bot in R, I didn't care what it actually did. So I modelled its personality after a cat I met o < 1302188515 623634 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groans
< 1302188553 593015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think that got cut off < 1302188559 648982 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So I modelled its personality after a cat I met o" < 1302188569 558017 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I modelled its personality after a cat I met once. < 1302188573 141466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302188583 716292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a rather annoying cat... < 1302188648 961519 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a stray that was rescued. It was also a longhair. < 1302188686 396117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longhair + living on the streets = permanent knots in fur = quite painful, I imagine = not the happiest individual. < 1302188687 439474 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302188766 307187 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should post its source code somewhere so you can bask in the glory < 1302188799 161447 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302188856 755046 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302188880 932571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I don't know R though < 1302188882 313017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302188987 733181 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you don't have to know it to appreciate how BEAUTIFUL it is. < 1302189002 328117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the beauty! http://pastie.org/1768075 < 1302189043 196310 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command line to run it, alone, is worth it. < 1302189046 553493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302189060 203426 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"irc.irc.irc" is the greatest hostname ever. < 1302189088 43957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if you want to avoid the erlang shell you can get pretty silly command lines there too < 1302189143 546838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every time I hear that XKCD isn't funny anymore I get slightly pissed off. It's always been hit and miss but the hits so outweigh the misses that it's my favourite on line comic (with the possible exception of Doonesbury)." ← a decent precis of why I left RationalWiki. < 1302189185 971264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am continually impressed/annoyed that we spent zillions of edits and hundreds of words making a point in favour of rationalism, then XKCD kicks our arses saying the same thing in four panels with a couple of matchstick men." < 1302189191 164776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better, actually. < 1302189261 313121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm I'd say xkcd is sometimes good, though rather rarely nowdays. And even back in the "good old days" it wasn't always good. < 1302189280 957299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very rarely nowadays. < 1302189292 149718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the misses are cringeworthy. < 1302189295 304514 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's xkcd? < 1302189306 441306 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I apologize for that. < 1302189315 987815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, a Thing Man Was Not Meant To Know. < 1302189347 623620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the master xkcd will rise from the sunken city of frwgll < 1302189351 725757 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know as much about xkcd as I want to -- more, actually. I should not tempt fate. Or #esoteric. < 1302189355 568787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's Welsh.) < 1302189410 764500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I'm not sure if you meant you didn't know what xkcd was above or not. It is however a webcomic. < 1302189431 705344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/879/ <<< i like this one < 1302189469 90930 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :wharrrgarbl < 1302189485 904272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/881/ <<< and could someone explain this to me < 1302189492 598533 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Depending on who you ask, it is THE webcomic. < 1302189498 810083 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke that they have a weird way of hugging < 1302189529 238361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it was THE webcomic before ~400 or so. < 1302189620 571921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose it's still the simpsons of webcomics < 1302189664 206936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again oklothink triumphs. < 1302189688 974941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... sure? now can you explain 881 to me < 1302189695 346549 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about his illness? < 1302189752 345077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about LOOK AT ME I CAN WRITE CRINGEWORTHILY AWFUL "EMOTIONAL" COMICS WITH SCIENCE SHOEHORNED IN I AM NERD HUMOUR < 1302189775 242581 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fascinatingly tempted to actually look at it. < 1302189792 951113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also *anyone* who thinks probability is worth doing for practical applications should be shot. < 1302189808 965638 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there isn't some sort of punchline? < 1302189823 840477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the numbers in the table < 1302189831 122198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The impression I get is that the actual *mathematics* requires some kind of degree. < 1302189836 221903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to understand < 1302189850 481812 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that many survive 5/10 years of X < 1302189903 965773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wonder if the way they hug is relevant < 1302189926 266183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're overanalysing it. < 1302189957 894850 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i just don't get it < 1302189965 914977 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if I prepare myself mentally and emotionally beforehand sufficiently, I can look at it. < 1302189979 932178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i would appreciate that < 1302189996 927978 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have seen xkcd's involuntarily on peoples' shirts and hanging in their cubes, and it didn't damage me *too* much. < 1302190000 570613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun little problem: find a 5-regular planar graph, where 5-regular = every vertex has degree 5 < 1302190003 671198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think you're assuming there's an actual joke somewhere under the mawkish sentimentalism, and are combing through it. < 1302190010 88102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for anything funny. < 1302190014 218339 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, here goes. < 1302190016 920219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1302190062 356318 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302190073 784598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you shouldn't have done it. < 1302190080 705493 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You are correct in that. < 1302190103 703620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless you have the love for your fellow humans of Charlie Brooker. < 1302190136 365107 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who that is and the extra information is not helping me recover. < 1302190156 749088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charlie Brooker is an infamously misanthropic reviewer of things. < 1302190161 178199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this is the right time to tell cpressey that santa isn't real < 1302190168 773187 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well: oklopol, if you want my opinion: it wasn't intended to be funny. < 1302190187 877365 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intended to be Hallmark-y. < 1302190202 710843 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For lack of a better adjective. < 1302190215 64260 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302190254 73691 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mawkish sentamentalism", I suppose that's a good way to put it too < 1302190266 485642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1302190385 61608 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: this was all a PLOT by you, to get me to read an xkcd, WASN'T IT < 1302190409 881358 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleverly FEIGNING non-understanding of the fail < 1302190431 398025 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, or can you actually call that fail? because i'm sure it was totally what was intended < 1302190453 749417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't know, I DON'T GET IT < 1302190459 413800 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THERE IS NOTHING TO GET < 1302190464 325703 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST BE < 1302190498 133980 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Are you familiar with a pre-web comic strip called Fred Bassett? < 1302190531 105196 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, there is nothing to get. < 1302190533 17792 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, except if it's pre-web i might know it in finnish < 1302190579 412600 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "Koiraskoira" < 1302190584 140049 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the internet is amazing sometimes) < 1302190602 976662 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "Retu, Pitko" < 1302190613 443926 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks wp) < 1302190636 826407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i've seen those comics < 1302190641 74339 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish prolly < 1302190660 281182 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some strips are merely a surreal or whimsical description of a moment of life as seen from a dog's point of view. As very British cartoon strips, they break the normal strip rules by sometimes not having a traditional ending, a punchline or even a distinct purpose, distinguishing them from the more direct, American-style Garfield or Peanuts strips." < 1302190695 903872 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, this is the xkcd version < 1302190787 544764 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll try to solve it tomorrow < 1302190791 453585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired now < 1302190802 500462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :koiraskoira sounds really silly < 1302190813 374139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :retu i may have heard < 1302190822 232085 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I always thought it must be hard being a comic strip writer, you have to come up with a new funny thing for every day. But! Not if you aren't actually funny every day. < 1302190824 990500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :koiraskoira = male dog < 1302190865 480452 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can always just make a play on words < 1302190887 181473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :never funny, but good enough for a newspaper comic strip. < 1302190934 109754 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this particular strip hanging in my cube: http://www.glyphjockey.com/uploaded_images/Uncanny_Old_Gags_1-772109.jpg < 1302190954 886858 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's revenge against those who see fit to hang xkcds where others can see them. < 1302190995 225206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.... don't get that one either < 1302191003 56017 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i become even stupider < 1302191024 983379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it tho < 1302191075 227465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol does not know the hubris of man. < 1302191151 635196 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the points that bad things can happen even though no actual failing is involved, proper walking can cause footprints in the wrong place, and a nice throw can destroy a painting < 1302191157 969575 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1302191177 345951 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302191179 908535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :something related to that < 1302191201 293857 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the first guy is in the picture < 1302191209 463908 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the point was "I can take panels from seperate Nancy strips and put them together into something that can be read, but does not make sense as we understand it" < 1302191214 211931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, have you considered that sometimes there is, in fact, no elaborately hidden punchline, and that the reason you cannot find one is not that you lack a sense of humour? < 1302191227 818451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would perhaps be justified were you Vorpal, but you are not. < 1302191245 521883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm seeing it < 1302191254 255686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice puzzle < 1302191256 302408 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-145.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302191260 367675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1302191262 390773 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The objective of dada is to freeze the brain until the dressmakers' assistants arrive. < 1302191329 691526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you should say to everyone "really, you don't get it? It's obvious!" < 1302191343 692483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no my approach didn't work < 1302191350 856161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not every comic strip has a punchline. < 1302191363 608395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends a bit on which webcomic though < 1302191366 536213 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In my younger days... < 1302191401 936279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the author said there's no solution? < 1302191410 247138 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1302191417 844813 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey < 1302191441 16749 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's use of the words "solve" and "solution" in regard to comic strips disturbs me somewhat. < 1302191451 733379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Vorpal performs quite possibly the most amazing feat of oblivious demonstration the world has ever seen! < 1302191509 117540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you directly see why a comic is funny, you didn't learn anything. < 1302191516 363039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, of course, there are cases where either the author of the webcomic or the reader of it have different types of humour. That would give a similar end result. < 1302191547 621982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Vorpal even reads what other people say beyond the most cursory examination. < 1302191566 890576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I read the previous three lines + the highlight one < 1302191569 368174 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is true, although I am not always seeking to learn new things when I read a comic strip. < 1302191573 725434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just tangential to the brilliance of his ego. < 1302191577 474499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the previous ones to the highlight that is) < 1302191589 754021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is particularly apparent whenever any form of subtlety is applied. < 1302191603 215168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but come on... comics like freefall doesn't use a punch line in *every* strip. < 1302191606 496060 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you aware that we don't know what lines your IRC client highlights? < 1302191610 228249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well to be honest the only reason i read comics is to take a break from thinking. < 1302191620 194863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, " This would perhaps be justified were you Vorpal, but you are not." had my nick in it < 1302191628 766938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty obvious it would highlight me < 1302191635 180447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarcasm being one thing he is utterly unable to detect or penetrate. < 1302191724 331503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how's uni < 1302191741 641433 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, xkcd pegged why R is the language of the future. It tells you that you're going to DIE < 1302191746 187620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which year is this again? i have some trouble with time < 1302191769 106850 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: in 881? < 1302191784 28642 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the sappy one with the statistics and the hugging, yes < 1302191799 346905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what i initially assumed, but the details don't quite seem to fit < 1302191805 267337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly < 1302191810 599890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Edinburgh apparently has in international science festival. < 1302191812 16964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, working out well. Not there today, the lab was cancelled. Lab was cancelled after the electricity system failed in that room. They were going to replace it today. < 1302191820 788365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1302191833 703813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I'm in Venice for half of it. < 1302191834 789685 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real life applications just told the reader it's about his disease < 1302191843 58188 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay thanks < 1302191854 780627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and how is it for you? < 1302191872 152650 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oklopol didn't get the sappy part? ok, that was a misunderstanding on my part < 1302191873 295865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: trying to get my first publication this week < 1302191877 178188 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise not much < 1302191880 872039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*: trying < 1302191893 752123 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i mean write my first article which i will then try to get published < 1302191896 917442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah. Good luck! < 1302191911 336231 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the stick figure hates statistics because statistics are telling him that his friend/lover/co-stick-figure is gonna DIE < 1302191955 937022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, everyone will die sooner or later < 1302191960 142402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i get it now, i just didn't get what he meant by statistics having real life applications, but the applications were that they could predict shit and now that he's dying bleh < 1302191979 362747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what lab? < 1302192050 588103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There appears to be something about how the Vatican ascertains whether a miracle has occurred. < 1302192058 234894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to that purely for the absurdity. < 1302192059 584125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh, it was a lab in a course about real time systems. Sadly this is "modern" compsci. Meaning it is more like computer programming/computer engineering often... < 1302192077 159801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chick bleeding out her vag ain't no miracle < 1302192116 494541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Idiot Chemistry Teacher outdid herself today. < 1302192125 203638 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took this "theoretical" course on real-time systems and i can guarantee you that sucked more than yours ever could < 1302192144 42466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First she complained about the idea of firing nuclear waste into space because it would become our nuclear dumping ground. < 1302192160 334024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, because it's so easy to spoil the pristine landscape of space. < 1302192169 27429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302192190 339980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the sun already slightly radioactive < 1302192196 384195 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, we were going to program targeting vxworks. However, for some reasons booting more than a handful of the computers in that room made the fuse blow yesterday. < 1302192197 57130 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wee bit < 1302192212 297936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, when someone mentioned that the universe was expanding, she said "if the universe is expanding what is it expanding into YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT"" < 1302192212 462887 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose it's nothing compared to whatever our nuclear plants produce < 1302192239 864091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was like "actually I can—" "NO YOU CAN'T YOU'RE JUST PRETENDING" < 1302192250 528092 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think I'm in love < 1302192300 747377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I gave up because I previously had a long and bitter dispute with her over whether liquids could have pressure and you can't waste effort on stupidity of that magnitude. < 1302192309 665544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dumping nuclear waste in space would be rather expensive. Unless we build a space elevator (which would ALSO be expensive, though less so in the long run)... < 1302192343 417083 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether... liquids can have... pressure... with a chemistry teacher < 1302192367 397283 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the other things, i can say, well, space, that's just not her domain < 1302192368 980621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, the big problem with space dumping is that if the rocket explodes (not exactly a rare occurrence) you irradiate half of Europe rather than just the area around your train. < 1302192401 81431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, in fairness, she confused pressure with compressibilit— wait, I'm not giving her any quarter, that's just as bad. < 1302192405 349402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just slingshot the stuff into space < 1302192407 574918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :need no rocket < 1302192414 53638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that too. But even if that was solved, doing it by rockets would be far too expensive. < 1302192435 7331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't the buld a rocket with a 20000 budget somewhere < 1302192437 314294 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*build < 1302192454 167645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, 20000 of what? < 1302192458 635074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :money units < 1302192460 476949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUR? USD? < 1302192464 46232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it matter < 1302192466 935604 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of solar-powered magnetic rail < 1302192492 173053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hah < 1302192500 711026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah? < 1302192501 363016 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*railgun < 1302192507 366847 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1302192517 634981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they're all, like, within 1.5 times each other. < 1302192522 37832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except yen. < 1302192522 696858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I was referring to that 20000 SEK is a lot less than 20000 USD for example. :P < 1302192532 250573 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, but it's SMALLER < 1302192540 839563 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I believe 1 USD is about 8 SEK or such < 1302192541 607027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose you got that already < 1302192544 744513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit where's pikhq I came up with the best Japanese joke. < 1302192545 175458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't checked in a while < 1302192554 995578 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean 20000 is ASTRONOMICALLY LESS than what rockets usually cost < 1302192562 125479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed < 1302192565 563159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares how many astronomers smaller it is < 1302192586 916207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, any idea about how much payload it could lift? And to what orbit? < 1302192607 797793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i don't know, and i'm not even sure this story is true < 1302192611 422472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is mainly < 1302192630 738177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i doubt there's an intrinsic reason for rockets to cost a lot < 1302192650 239379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rockets that just need to escape gravity < 1302192655 984507 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as I see it, it's the fuel that's expensive. thus: some kind of solar-powered magnetic railgun < 1302192668 389868 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably have to be a few kilometers long, though < 1302192668 557332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue with rockets is that they need to haul the fuel they need to power themselves. < 1302192678 228478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them heavier, needing more fuel < 1302192690 249898 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long is the Forth Bridge again? < 1302192691 440634 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for fuel, they're starting those daily flights to what was it 120km, and they use less fuel than a flight by jet from new york to X < 1302192700 518134 :cheater-!~cheater@e181138121.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302192704 141645 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, completely unconfirmed random data < 1302192714 218880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I AM TOTALLY QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT < 1302192714 369747 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137181.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302192729 585767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT VORPAL IS HERE NO I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SCOTLAND I AM WELSH < 1302192754 16738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROM NEWPORT < 1302192759 365493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP < 1302192761 205066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hrrm, I think I need to check logs on where you come from :P < 1302192777 974892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM TOTALLY NOT FROM THE CITY RIGHT NEXT TO THE FORTH BRIDGES < 1302192815 656983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUNFERMLINE < 1302192819 134337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why I had no memory of you being from Wales when you claimed that recently. So indeed, you fooled me a for a while there. < 1302192828 466124 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302192833 29338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal funny < 1302192844 943744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, 2.5km, BtW. < 1302192852 525034 :cheater00!~cheater@g231048100.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302192859 708233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the rail bridge; the road bridge is longer IIRC.) < 1302192879 798022 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ty < 1302192904 113493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1302192950 601508 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't worked it out -- such a railgun might have to be really, really long. Longer than the Forth bridge, was I guess what I was thinking, and how much does the Forth bridge cost to maintain annually? (rhetorical) < 1302192972 731977 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it could only launch relatively light things < 1302192984 214115 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know that it could get them further than orbit < 1302192985 307360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A billboard which featured a depressed goth and the slogan 'Cheer up Goth. Have an Irn Bru.' was also criticised for inciting bullying." — the ASA is basically the funniest thing ever. < 1302192987 492056 :cheater-!~cheater@e181138121.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302192995 41462 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But once in orbit, they could use rockets very very effectively < 1302193001 614144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the UK body to which easily-offended people complain.) < 1302193017 703779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also you'd never finish painting it.* < 1302193018 194521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I'm not sure you would get the same maintenance cost for a railgun and a bridge though. < 1302193027 314472 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah yeah har har har < 1302193029 192200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they actually finished painting it a few years back < 1302193061 886959 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, but, same order of magnitude, i was guessing < 1302193074 941735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm not qualified to answer that < 1302193080 336633 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302193092 179087 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you have to make damn sure the rail is nice and ... rail-y, you really wouldn't want your nuclear waste derailing at the end < 1302193126 539220 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, better the Gobi desert (or whereever) than all of Europe, as I think PH mentioned < 1302193135 291659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. Hm how would it work? Would it be straight or would it curve upward at the end? < 1302193144 536477 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure :) < 1302193159 293254 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was straight, it would have to be REALLY long < 1302193183 151984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if it had to go at an angle upwards I suspect it would need rather more complex supports (unless you found a suitable mountain side to use), which would probably drive up the price. < 1302193187 126100 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it curves upward... that seems like it would be harder to do < 1302193191 434608 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1302193219 943138 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And computing the speed necessary for the mass and the angle, to get it into orbit, and not have it fall back... well, we have computers. < 1302193240 159438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't think that is the largest issue < 1302193268 612896 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once it's outside the atmosphere, that's when you start the rockets. they don't need much fuel because you're outside of the drag and much of the gravity. < 1302193279 252866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1302193303 841938 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so let's build this sucker < 1302193308 763015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I said rockets were expensive, I meant from the surface of the earth. < 1302193310 447505 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1302193352 921271 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the name 'Irn Bru' is inherently bullying. < 1302193386 884964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm does it need to get into an east/west-wards orbit or could you launch it straight south? In the latter case you could build it pointing along the Atlantic. Very few inhabited islands there. Very few islands even. < 1302193411 651745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be good in case of accidents. < 1302193434 551470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :less risk of damage in case it doesn't reach orbit < 1302193463 709428 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I don't see why not < 1302193568 635236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember there is some complication with getting into polar orbits. Hm... < 1302193675 627954 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but the wp article doesn't suggest anything really difficult < 1302193713 374742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR polar orbits are much higher than low-earth. < 1302193728 362753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you have to correct for the earth's rotation as well. < 1302193792 470829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think the second point is the main one, particularly as rockets tend to be launched from fairly low latitudes. < 1302193829 989659 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if the destination is orbit, the railgun approach gives you very limited options, no matter which way it's pointing < 1302193859 346918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLESS you put it on a GIANT TURNTABLE < 1302193868 752982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTERNATELY: WHEELS < 1302194022 420592 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the wheels idea. Especially putting a block behind every wheel so the thing doesn't move (much) when you fire it. Like on artillery. < 1302194044 776090 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget those, and WHEEE < 1302194056 893432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM < 1302194066 631365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What orbit is the stuff being fired into again? < 1302194097 367684 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, whatever's most conventient, if the ultimate purpose is to get spent nuclear fuel into the sun or whatever < 1302194103 498943 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*convenient < 1302194124 318597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low-earth seems the most obvious option, then. < 1302194135 289200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not sure. I was thinking polar one because if you place it in, say, UK, then you can fire pretty much across the Atlantic. Which is very sparsely inhabited. Which is a bonus in case of accidents < 1302194166 908117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it in Ecuador and fire over the Pacific.* < 1302194169 223266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually I guess along the Antarctic < 1302194170 827320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*worst idea < 1302194204 699006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the fuel consumption difference between to orbit vs shot into space? < 1302194204 864086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, isn't that the wrong direction too? With regards to Earth's spin... < 1302194223 374790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it relative depending on what shooting means < 1302194249 429890 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've thought once you get to orbit, it's relatively easy to get out completely, but actually i suppose the orbits are rather closed compared to earth's radius < 1302194280 126326 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really elliptical orbit might be good then -- you could get out of it at the far point < 1302194280 313499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1302194302 643039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we were still talking about completely escaping < 1302194311 459657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, once you get far enough I suggest ITN for low energy transfer towards the sun. < 1302194313 607492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yeah, escape vs. orbit is pretty big. < 1302194320 291772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why just leaving that shit on the orbit would be all that dangerous < 1302194345 679484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low orbits decay quite quickly. < 1302194345 844258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Network) < 1302194378 846928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so would it be better to go to orbit and then break away rather than break away directly? < 1302194390 941701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so does your mom but i still keep doing her < 1302194406 827269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1302194408 480152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because thrusting from orbit doesn't have the complications that it does on a planet. < 1302194409 442807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bad argument < 1302194413 23798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a better one < 1302194421 279811 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be dead by the time they come down so what do i care < 1302194424 34406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right. < 1302194424 185011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know what oko is going to say, so he needn't bother.) < 1302194469 243100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: erm what, thrusting your mom from orbit doesn't have the complications the it does on a planet? < 1302194486 479995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1302194509 291798 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in orbit, now it doesn't quite look like the correct kind of thrusting < 1302194560 989486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of the mom joke was just to attract attention to the classical philosophical problem of i don't give a shit what happens after i die < 1302194584 557108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that it's obscure not-really-a-joke explanation day < 1302194694 972545 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having sex weightless is one of the fundamental experiences in life < 1302196103 663691 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said < 1302196220 529881 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type: goodbye < 1302196220 748535 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scowls at cpressey
< 1302196225 720157 :R-Type!~R-Type@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302196232 87342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does R-Type do? < 1302196268 571692 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Well: I wanted to write a bot in R, just because R is a horrible language to do such a thing in. I named it 'R-Type' because 'rbot' was taken, 'R-bot' is boring, and R-Type was a significant game in the history of video games (not a huge favorite of mine, but I can appreciate it.) Since the point was just to write a bot in R, I didn't care what it actually did. So... < 1302196275 10900 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I modelled its personality after a cat I met once. < 1302196306 439684 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type is a computer robot < 1302196320 976947 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what is R-Type < 1302196331 889779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type is a computer robot < 1302196339 670925 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143144.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302196371 555368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have you played Elite < 1302196494 375927 :cheater00!~cheater@g231048100.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302196546 323466 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think so. That's the 3D wireframe one for the 8-bits, isn't it? < 1302196550 816739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1302196662 975592 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 64k+/32 to Australia, 64k to China, 256 to Hong Kong, 1024+256 to Indonesia, 1k+256+/32 to India, 64k+8k+1k to Japan, 2k to South Korea, 1k to Nepal, 256 to Philipphines, 256+/32 to Singapore, 4k to Thailand, 256k+64k+8k to Taiwan. < 1302196747 288044 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depletion estimate: Thursday 14th April. < 1302197381 515302 :cheater00!~cheater@e181143143.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302197439 446987 :cheater-!~cheater@e181143144.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302197646 877859 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdpuhnapblvsohqi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302198104 722829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, any idea how accurate that estimate is? < 1302198189 63218 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. These processes are highly discrete and distributions behave badly. Fourth quadrant stuff for sure. < 1302198336 30236 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the APNIC pool is so depleted that one huge allocation could take most of it and then the rest of the allocations on that day would finish it off. < 1302198379 408792 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logspace: /8.971 < 1302198470 343993 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be tomorrow, we might make next week without depletion, nobody outside APNIC really knows. < 1302199766 851189 :ben_!~bence@catv-89-132-101-38.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302199860 156540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302200529 835158 :ben_!~bence@catv-89-132-101-38.catv.broadband.hu PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1302200636 502281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Longhair + living on the streets = permanent knots in fur = quite painful, I imagine = not the happiest individual. < 1302200656 87177 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um can't they cut it off... < 1302200876 182615 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : like, that many survive 5/10 years of X < 1302200883 847612 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my guess when i read it... < 1302200897 643375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you read xkccd? < 1302200900 612057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xkcd < 1302200915 164635 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :randall munroe _has_ some disease in the family < 1302200916 924121 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302200969 910803 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i believe they were trying to do that, at the time (this was years ago), but something about the knots being close to the skin made it difficult to shave < 1302200980 235744 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1302200983 9846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longhair cat? < 1302200986 679480 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302200996 509923 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1302201014 128739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cat? < 1302201026 526627 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cat whose personality R-Type's is modelled after. < 1302201029 214684 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-Type cat? < 1302201045 860927 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnamese rolling furball < 1302201192 781992 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, I have seen xkcd's involuntarily on peoples' shirts and hanging in their cubes, and it didn't damage me *too* much. < 1302201204 801966 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those _would_ tend to be the less damaging ones, one would think < 1302201239 746098 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe someone probably has one of the worst ones just for the hell of it... < 1302201252 403824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/maybe // < 1302201267 412112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he would have to constantly explain it < 1302201274 221552 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302201298 450839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean like that infamous genitals one... < 1302201311 430949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think a comic can be stupid enough that... erm which one is that? < 1302201369 693865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low 600s. < 1302201370 415260 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/631/ < 1302201387 388165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think too hard about the joke in that one either. < 1302201451 426941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1302201488 396530 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries not to think about it
< 1302201522 657890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302201529 574741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1302201534 67039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1302201548 168690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fun little problem: find a 5-regular planar graph, where 5-regular = every vertex has degree 5 < 1302201556 571776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some platonic solid < 1302201588 521327 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :icosahedron probably < 1302201590 913939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:58:51: (I am pretty sure Eliezer Yudkowsky once said "a".) < 1302201591 433017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:59:27: it would be rather impressive if somehow he has carefully avoided a particular common word for years without being detected. < 1302201591 583523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm suspicious now < 1302201602 512677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "Eliezer Yudkowsky" is an anagram... < 1302201619 739380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was mister x's solution, he said he tried x-hedron and it didn't work so he tried z-hedron and it did < 1302201657 212500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't know what an icosahedron is (i sure as hell don't) to be able to come up with that < 1302201660 983301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about a 3d ball < 1302201669 884463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302201670 813865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302201675 144246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to come up with *a* solution < 1302201689 816990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean there's anything simpler than an icosahedron? < 1302201693 184856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:57:31: elliott: but really, is PerlNomic better than another nomic we could come up with? < 1302201697 805931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many is icosahedron? < 1302201701 159928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: define better < 1302201701 311371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vertices < 1302201704 744414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 faces < 1302201714 995846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is skiing better than Chess? < 1302201719 266998 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two constructions that give 12 + 4k vertices < 1302201720 869755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any k < 1302201721 835520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 vertices (it's dual to dodecahedron) < 1302201743 830919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your k=0 may be that < 1302201757 89421 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them gives some hedron as the 12 case, i don't know about the other one < 1302201764 391946 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: even real k? < 1302201772 896177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: interestingly enough, no! < 1302201777 825470 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN QUATERNIONIC < 1302201786 79737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just complex - real works < 1302201816 385720 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN TUPLE-VALUED k < 1302201819 565649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where - is set theoretic subtraction since you're smartasses < 1302201915 661372 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuples of small categories, that is < 1302201939 487759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: take two vertices, one to the left, one to the right of the ball, and for any k put 5(k + 2) C_5's around the ball somewhere between the two side vertices, then connect the side vertices to the points of the C_5 next to them, and for adjacent C_5's, connect each point to two points of the next C_5 < 1302201953 33591 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hard to explain but maybe you'll get it < 1302201964 823445 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vey easy when drawn < 1302201973 454214 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*very < 1302201977 11703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302201994 939426 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equivalent to an icosahedron when k = 0 < 1302202048 54582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what's C_5 again < 1302202052 156761 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle of 5 < 1302202055 27165 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302202059 663751 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a pentagon < 1302202086 356945 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1302202114 502237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case i'm putting them on a sphere so pentagon is not really a good term < 1302202129 978683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the gon is gone. < 1302202208 181020 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : fun little problem: find a 5-regular planar graph, where 5-regular = every vertex has degree 5 <--- wait what? < 1302202225 55731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey so last night or last week or whatever i proved that tally sets can't be NP-complete, didn't i do some stuff on left sets here at some point? < 1302202227 277305 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the edges have to be straight or something? < 1302202232 40283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i don't remember, no one will < 1302202233 807577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but the faces of a dodecahedron are pentagons < 1302202257 498262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302202268 708443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you put a C_5 around a sphere, there are no angles < 1302202280 93478 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if not, just have two vertices, and 5 edges between them. done. planar as all hell < 1302202295 82890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OR ARE THERE INFINITE ANGELS < 1302202307 167755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: using the usual definition of graph here < 1302202311 807280 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one edge and no self-loops < 1302202338 721924 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "just one edge"? < 1302202342 966625 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or did you mean there can't be an isomorphism between the result of the construction and an somethinghedron? < 1302202347 531433 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: between each pair < 1302202352 388286 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh oh < 1302202353 450858 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302202364 380771 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no multigraphs or whatever they call that < 1302202371 698102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often call them multigraphs < 1302202383 549944 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm just pointing out pentagons can be used for this, in a sense... < 1302202387 142932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitions differ a lot in gt < 1302202403 288796 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's mixing faces and vertices with the duality < 1302202437 587821 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use all kinds of things if you're smart enough < 1302202469 956699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I USE A PROJECTED PENROSE TILING FROM HYPERSPACE < 1302202562 851997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more fun problem: show that a 4-critical graph is either a wheel of even order or it contains no wheels as a subgraph < 1302202572 774154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no theorems needed, but a lot of definitions < 1302202613 811306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-critical = exists proper 4-coloring of vertices, and no 3-coloring, but in any proper subgraph there exists a 3-coloring < 1302202626 137670 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no < 1302202650 457222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheel of order n = C_{n-1} + a node connected to each of its points < 1302202656 69568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's it i guess < 1302202696 61868 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather do the what you call "kids math" < 1302202702 949312 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution presented in our homework session was wrong, followed by the official solution by the professor, which was also wrong :D < 1302202707 539742 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although only slightly wrong) < 1302202716 341949 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in agda though < 1302203013 48514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't the sun already slightly radioactive < 1302203061 610193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by radioactive you mean "occasionally sends out enough charged particles to kill an unprotected human" < 1302203088 934355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, on earth? < 1302203103 198141 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, earth is protected by its magnetic field and atmosphere < 1302203131 580543 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know any of that fancy magnet stuff but i like the idea of being protected. < 1302203168 781724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the atmosphere is supposedly itself protected by the magnetic field, without it the radiation would slowly whittle the atmosphere away < 1302203174 287355 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost did it with 8 vertices, but I have one edge that goes between two vertices that already have an edge. < 1302203191 743380 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, just double this < 1302203192 983417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may have happened on mars < 1302203211 213278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: double? < 1302203212 185698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:02:54: strsplit(gsub('^:(.*?)\\!(.*?)\\s+PRIVMSG\\s+(.*?)\\s+\\:(.*?)$', '\\1\u2603\\2\u2603\\3\u2603\\4', line, perl=TRUE), '\u2603', fixed=TRUE) < 1302203213 458824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1302203227 738384 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, um, 16 vertices, which is in fact 12 + 4k when k=1! cool < 1302203241 978216 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you describe it somehow? < 1302203260 616739 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: make a copy of it, then hook up the two copies with two edges where I had the extra edge in the one < 1302203271 117720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:28:22: (I've modelled its personality after a cat I met once) < 1302203271 267983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did its eye pop out and did you eat it and absorb its esoteric powers < 1302203272 647099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/n? < 1302203280 394923 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1302203294 330759 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Z < 1302203301 997780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302203302 271806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302203313 716843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i don't think you can do that planarly but maybe i'm mistaken < 1302203342 320615 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's possible i miscounted the # of edges here. maybe i'll try to draw it more neatly < 1302203354 385376 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's possible planarly, if i know what you mean < 1302203355 647371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:08:42: but really. R, J, K are all array processing languages. And have one letter names. There might be a pattern there. Should be investigated further. < 1302203360 190013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think Vorpal quite knows what R is < 1302203370 556738 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aRray language < 1302203385 213151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:11:12: K is rather insane. Maybe... naw. < 1302203389 126467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's probably been done :> < 1302203412 613401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58:26: It annoys me that there are global constants (variables?) that aren't classes. < 1302203412 763774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:58:32: Transcript and Smalltalk, for example. Maybe others. < 1302203414 789796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they classes? < 1302203418 551212 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I couldn't find an implementation of K anyway. In the 4 whole seconds I spent looking < 1302203437 36907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Pay up, or get K3 (the cool one with the GUI thing) from a hidden subdirectory of nsl.com :) < 1302203440 466242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they say, 5th second is the charm < 1302203451 396471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that explains why I had no memory of you being from Wales when you claimed that recently. So indeed, you fooled me a for a while there. < 1302203462 260013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, no one outside britain knows the difference anyhow < 1302203535 352055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just strangely unpronouncible places with bagpipes and leprechauns and whiskhey < 1302203573 865262 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and green. lots of green. < 1302203640 626884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:31:56: oklopol: well, you can do math in agda! < 1302203651 908598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is to embarrassing to read < 1302203657 913977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i swear us dependent type guys aren't that bad < 1302203662 113417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so < 1302203675 537340 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. oklopol: i actually have 2 multiedges. dammit < 1302203689 307153 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: took me 45 minutes to come up with a solution < 1302203702 586374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35:30: i imagine doing math in agda would be similar to programming in brainfuck, sure it can be fun but you'll be proving 1+1=2. < 1302203717 234997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does gödel's incompleteness theorem count as 1+1=2? :D < 1302203719 816174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was actually coq. < 1302203725 477880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not quite that long but longer than oerjan's 5 seconds < 1302203732 912119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you proved that? < 1302203750 481796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, russell o'connor did: http://r6.ca/Goedel/goedel1.html < 1302203768 62475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was he an amateur at coq? < 1302203773 688192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... no :D < 1302203775 920106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :g�del's theorem isn't all that deep < 1302203783 671808 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302203786 745525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because my proof is constructive, it is possible, in principle, to compute this sentence that makes PA incomplete." ;; this is the coolest part :) < 1302203802 699942 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let true & false = true in true & false < 1302203802 916018 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (It's the UK body to which easily-offended people complain.) < 1302203803 522095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `true'Not in scope: `false' < 1302203808 256462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA? < 1302203813 585786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: penis arithmetic < 1302203817 55637 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we need is mandatory sterilization of easily offended people. < 1302203818 172499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm right < 1302203850 374343 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we computed many sentences that make PA incomplete in automata theory < 1302203857 836094 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302203865 411145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:57:33: quite esoteric - http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.0924v1 < 1302203870 199133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: you still exist?? < 1302203877 725531 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was thinking! < 1302203885 471772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not rocket science, and in any case i'm talking about what an amateur can do < 1302203886 780343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well this is the gödel one :P < 1302203900 674923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: printing it before we all die is impossible though. and that is because it is a poison. < 1302203901 851959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :science facts < 1302203929 803429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that < 1302204028 877710 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let True & False = True in True & False < 1302204029 740910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1302204043 949767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Haskell. < 1302204046 870042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:32:10: Hah. I seemingly got signed up to one mailing list in "opt-out" fashion (quite understandable given the situation). < 1302204047 576984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:33:27: Well, basically one mailing list was shut down and new one created to continue (apparently mailman can't rename mailing lists). < 1302204053 608561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: this wouldn't happen to be the ffmpeg/libav fiasco? < 1302204072 379365 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a fiasco, it was an imbroglio < 1302204090 274978 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. < 1302204132 111465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I haven't worked it out -- such a railgun might have to be really, really long. [...] <-- i have this hunch part of the problem is you don't want the speed to get too high until you've passed most of the atmosphere... < 1302204133 950982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: with /that/, the people who had, two months prior, attempted to perform a ridiculous coup d'etat on the project forked off and made a new mailing list, then subscribed every member of the ffmpeg mailing list to their new one, claiming it was just a "project rename" < 1302204148 532923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: (they then used their technical control of the ffmpeg lists to shut them down, telling everyone to move to the "newly-renamed" libav lists) < 1302204158 90432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressively childish < 1302204176 634008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they do that, BtW? < 1302204246 206292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because they didn't like how the maintainer was handling proposed patches < 1302204280 68498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was that? < 1302204283 229100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly valid complaint, but trying to take over the project without telling anyone through technical means without trying to discuss it or even fork is enough to make me not give a damn what they're complaining about < 1302204298 17006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think he was rejecting patches based on what they saw as trivial grounds or something < 1302204468 222134 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a code review that is three pages long (ReviewBoard pages -- I'm not sure how it decides how long a page is) that is boring me out of my skull < 1302204501 782774 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, when you almost entirely rewrite something, diffs are almost entirely useless < 1302204643 283310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches cpressey slowly give up on life
< 1302204683 271009 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1302205002 711667 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am becoming more and more convinced that programming (heavily, exclusively) in Python changes the way you think for the worse. < 1302205137 924257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: only suicide can cure you < 1302205139 346576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: < 1302205144 365822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not attempt suicide because of this line. < 1302205151 576275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Attempt it because of the line three lines up instead!) < 1302205178 440061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302205179 626351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:16:25: "A billboard which featured a depressed goth and the slogan 'Cheer up Goth. Have an Irn Bru.' was also criticised for inciting bullying." — the ASA is basically the funniest thing ever. < 1302205186 4063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well people might whack goths with irn brus < 1302205188 686133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HAVE A FUCKING IRN BRU" < 1302205198 405929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1302205204 414290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, i should stop giving ph ideas < 1302205221 109076 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: language where all expressions have side effects. an integer expression is in fact of the form kB where B is a block of code (possibly empty) that is executed k times. < 1302205226 974992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or is wikipedia's new anti-vandal policy is to show the edit button as "View source" until you click it, if you're not logged in? < 1302205239 333174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ingenious in its stupidity < 1302205678 899934 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 6 > 7 = True in 6 > 7 < 1302205679 555188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1302205700 407496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey really likes this part of haskell < 1302205783 775891 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would appear < 1302205784 102646 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it is amusing. < 1302205801 595437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the BEST part of Haskell. < 1302205803 551707 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in 5 < 1302205804 470012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302205806 668461 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good. < 1302205836 254339 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in let in let in let in let in let in "let" < 1302205837 214783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "let" < 1302205844 670782 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 5 where in a < 1302205846 27254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302205856 415487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading about the Maude language
< 1302205869 198167 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302205869 558993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let me in 4 < 1302205870 884036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `in' < 1302205881 151959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 2+2 < 1302205881 346448 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I never got very far with Maude < 1302205882 165545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1302205890 444826 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... just tried to tab-complete Maude, though < 1302205902 472934 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it IS a name < 1302205987 447083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a | otherwise = b where in a < 1302205988 748602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b < 1302206039 956778 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do let; let; "hi" < 1302206041 204444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1302206048 725392 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly missing < 1302206055 532989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: watchoo do to http://catseye.tc/lab/robin/robin.html, i'm logreading and broken links totally destroy my flow < 1302206057 770327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg that would be awesome < 1302206065 106307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do let in; let in; "hi" < 1302206066 189841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `;' < 1302206072 64264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let in do let; let in do let; let; "hi"; let in do let < 1302206091 28268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let in do let in do let in do let in "hi" < 1302206092 106547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1302206102 292763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:32: I think the name 'Irn Bru' is inherently bullying. < 1302206110 62371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: really? well i guess it's kinda cheesy < 1302206113 705792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO GROW UP WITH IT < 1302206122 608535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S MADE IN SCOTLAND WITH GIRDERS < 1302206136 27442 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suggests the lowest-class pronunciation in my head < 1302206150 42191 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if that was intentional or what < 1302206153 352985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's probably meant to < 1302206162 690490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really parse it out as, you know, iron brew < 1302206176 393155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man it's old, 1901 < 1302206205 879224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irn-Bru and Diet Irn-Bru have been formulated since 2002 by A.G. Barr plc to meet the regulations for food colouring of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Ponceau 4R used in the UK formulation is prohibited by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Barr's uses alternative food and drink colourants manufactured by a US Company approved by the FDA. The product labelling also meets US labelling standards on nutritional information and bar code < 1302206206 105563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. Compliant Irn-Bru is solely imported by Great Scot International in Charlotte, North Carolina, who supplies distributors and retailers throughout the US. It is only supplied in 16.9 fl.oz. < 1302206213 438054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HA, YOUR PUNY COUNTRY CAN'T HANDLE SCOTTISH METAL DRINK < 1302206233 890158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:30:59: UNLESS you put it on a GIANT TURNTABLE < 1302206234 40827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is now the best idea < 1302206240 473589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you mean irn bru isn't something fancy gaelic? < 1302206253 369550 :cheater00!~cheater@e181143143.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1302206257 601130 :cheater00!~cheater@e181143143.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi channel < 1302206268 741617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302206269 943149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302206272 463835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1302206284 155365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 cannot drink Irn Bru because he is a PANSY < 1302206316 497396 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made irn bru technically illegal with no penalty just so ais523 couldn't drink it < 1302206347 868768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't drink it anyway, I don't like that sort of thing < 1302206359 411728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAAAAAAANNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYy < 1302206384 719715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something... fun about Maude's infix operators < 1302206404 389838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <3 < 1302206427 790116 :Slereah!~buttes@92.139.36.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302206463 417710 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a language with non-euclidean operators < 1302206469 957845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes we do. < 1302206486 405440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the channel's resident expert on stupid non-Euclidean things, I approve. < 1302206487 716799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind Man was Not Meant to Know < 1302206519 789702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm gonna BLOW YOUR MIND < 1302206521 424028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the universe < 1302206523 469103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1302206526 413966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is NON-EUCLIDEAN < 1302206528 811287 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this language should be C(noneuclidean operator)^2 < 1302206540 866453 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1302206667 989053 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fuck you :| < 1302206680 762308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: :) < 1302206694 244014 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agdas pretty neat tho < 1302206726 451765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why waste all your time proving things that would take three seconds in coq :) < 1302206729 81583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes it does. < 1302206736 753745 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ey? < 1302206748 94694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: proving things in agda is a bitch. compared to coq < 1302206793 440064 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe. its not /too/ bad, i find. i like how it forces you to understand the structure of the proof, which i feel is good if im going to be writing papers using a proof assistant as a tool < 1302206800 672494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1302206804 369737 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to have to explain the magic of coq on top of stuff < 1302206804 520230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: augur has never used coq ever < 1302206812 544110 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true! < 1302206816 853095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magic of coq? < 1302206824 809836 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-101-83.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302206827 705559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proofs in agda == proofs in coq. coq just has tools to help you write them, and agda doesn't. < 1302206834 723372 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what < 1302206844 137192 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tools does coq have? < 1302206850 467188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proofgeneral's interface to the toplevel. < 1302206858 340863 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill have to take a look < 1302206862 817218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see all your assumptions and your current goal, plus the goals left after that < 1302206868 485304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and undo proof steps, etc. < 1302206869 479173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, also the entire tactic language. < 1302206872 607523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1302206883 185624 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont mind the agda stuff. its fun to figure out how to construct it. < 1302206888 4093 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ill take a look at coq < 1302206891 289790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if he's avoiding "magic" (like agda's library isn't magic?) he might want to avoid "auto" :) < 1302206899 569245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: turn on three window mode and electric terminator in proofgeneral < 1302206901 15106 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not using much of agda < 1302206903 512109 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s library < 1302206928 730916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are < 1302206933 288788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're using its proof combinators < 1302206938 142341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're writing proofs in direct functional style < 1302206941 199391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i doubt < 1302206943 374513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here it is < 1302206947 384427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq proof-three-window-enable t) < 1302206953 334853 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1302206955 519815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (setq proof-electric-terminator-enable t) < 1302206960 961875 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean in direct functional stuff < 1302206968 815805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: paste a proof/lemma < 1302206973 3517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell you whether you're using the library or not < 1302206983 875568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(protip: if there's unicode, you are) < 1302206995 691449 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then! < 1302206999 648007 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use unicode a lot. < 1302207020 115520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i mean apart from the things you type. < 1302207029 962305 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o wut < 1302207031 167055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are unicode things in your source file that aren't names you made up < 1302207034 50444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are using the stdlib < 1302207043 38883 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh probably are < 1302207059 12429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that's magic. if you don't believe me, look at its source sometime. < 1302207083 17659 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/45440/syntax_crap < 1302207093 23133 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at whats source < 1302207128 721658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stdlib's. why are you making this simple conversation so painful X_X < 1302207137 324735 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302207160 862026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice, you're actually copy-pasting the stdlib directly in. < 1302207171 31335 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not copy and pasting anything < 1302207179 378954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, typical unicode agda noise :) < 1302207180 257041 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to danielsson's standard library? < 1302207240 700064 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the reason im doing it this way is that i want to understand the structure of the program as completely as possible, and making it myself helps me understand < 1302207249 793189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am referring to the agda standard library < 1302207256 635204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~nad/listings/lib-0.5/README.html < 1302207258 338283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eys. < 1302207259 851526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes. < 1302207297 181780 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and part of it is that if i have to explain some crap to anyone who asks (who isnt so good on all of this mathylogicy stuff) i'd like to be able to give them a clean answer from the source code directly < 1302207308 848708 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without referencing some magic library off somewhere in the ether < 1302207318 258861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, just linking to its source < 1302207329 442924 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except thats more problematic if im giving a presentation. < 1302207337 463401 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone asks about this or that < 1302207341 596492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i can't see any of this being very easy to explain because like most agda it uses unicode tricks and mixfix to obscure the point < 1302207350 832571 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have to try and remember what the standard lib says etc etc whatever < 1302207353 35283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see they still noise up their code with explicit level wrangling, too < 1302207364 690673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq doesn't have that :) < 1302207370 552150 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1302207375 273593 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ill use coq < 1302207376 590979 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1302207378 58599 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is < 1302207389 736928 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rather like the unicode and mixfix < 1302207391 916219 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why dont you like it? < 1302207415 467602 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302207846 996679 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-101-83.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302207878 746857 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302207966 395285 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1302207968 199877 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302207970 635346 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq looks interesting < 1302208017 595626 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302208022 967916 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow the structure of the proofs tho < 1302208024 396628 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048147.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302208086 534164 :cheater00!~cheater@e181143143.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302208139 914818 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand agda proofs -- if it type checks, youve got a proof < 1302208144 207407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :flrgbl < 1302208145 206912 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get coq at all < 1302208171 868203 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-97-237.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302208457 662285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302208597 519208 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, OmniGraffle is the only graphical tool I've ever used that I would say is appropriate for people with OCD :P ... mmm, maybe also Minecraft. < 1302208869 975101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i understand agda proofs -- if it type checks, youve got a proof < 1302208873 89037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: uhh, same with Coq? < 1302208897 681111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently someone rewrote xmonad in Coq < 1302208899 831380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because they could < 1302208901 2998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... < 1302208906 3818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop being slashdot < 1302208913 14646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the normal Reddit-related meaning of "apparently") < 1302208919 953718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even reddit had that, I've seen the posts < 1302208929 881366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did, I think < 1302208932 610196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We rewrote parts of xmonad's core algorithms in Coq to prove them correct and extracted the results to Haskell" < 1302208934 968286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->ais523--> < 1302208943 448110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Someone rewrote xmonad in Coq!" < 1302208945 599644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For no reason!" < 1302208957 253857 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, Transcript and Smalltalk are not classes. < 1302208964 136286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well, they're objects < 1302208967 848912 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps! but the proofs also have all these other things < 1302208973 624604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no they don't < 1302208974 356271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, it'd have been more fun if there was no reason < 1302208976 516461 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfold f, g. destruct h. etc etc < 1302208979 719067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes, those are tactics < 1302208984 161771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: if you "Print proof_name" < 1302208986 231717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see the lambda form < 1302208989 402130 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1302208990 390055 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I define "better" as "skiing is not better than chess, nor vice versa". < 1302208993 580198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tactics just make proofs about 159% easier to write < 1302209013 695591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Then I say that your question is unanswerable. < 1302209018 763949 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302209024 611463 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvvl: 18 < 1302209032 844696 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, the bot's dead. < 1302209032 994991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps any new came-up-with game would be better technically, or in some other sense, than PerlNomic, but that does not mean it would be a better game. < 1302209038 836985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that both are games worth playing. < 1302209136 842871 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302209157 12859 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, elliott, would you happen to know of an implementation of a Lisp that has Smalltalk-esque orthogonal persistence? :P < 1302209185 652512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just about every Common Lisp implementation lets you save the current world. < 1302209191 165549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, well, Common Lisp. < 1302209204 166032 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds desirable. < 1302209221 768993 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flrgbl flrbgl < 1302209263 454205 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :flrgbl flrbgl shfpngr! < 1302209275 668678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, but, Common Lisp. < 1302209278 333323 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone rewrite skiing's core algorithms in chess to prove them better and extracted the results to xmonad. < 1302209283 964045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes < 1302209288 516864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the change of tense there < 1302209297 704913 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302209324 78467 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all mathematics should be developed with the goal of using it in a window manager. < 1302209340 285906 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical research should follow this algorithm: < 1302209353 897073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, does this mean that the singularity will manage windows for me < 1302209356 339782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reading my mind < 1302209362 218572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figuring out my desired arrangement < 1302209387 339192 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Think of an idea. 2. Make hypotheses about the idea. 3. Prove as many of the hypotheses as possible. 4. Incorporate all resulting theorems into xmonad. < 1302209390 188569 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeat. < 1302209443 188775 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302209798 913215 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This message has been translated into French. < 1302209851 29033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1302209862 39525 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1302209900 246682 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ce message a trad.. a francais < 1302209901 295081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, just about every Common Lisp implementation lets you save the current world. ← I don't recall non-SBCL or CMUCL having it, but I wasn't exactly thorough. < 1302209902 299518 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1302209908 128132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice to say it's different in everything. < 1302209910 483845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY CL < 1302209933 764819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't CCL have it? < 1302210379 3356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1302210388 519549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not under the same name as SBCL, that's for sure. < 1302210464 689469 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope to never, ever program anything in that language. < 1302210531 788515 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302210647 40291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Err, what, Lisp? < 1302210808 89957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Better experience than 99% of languages... < 1302211009 694185 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Common Lisp specifically. < 1302211029 783824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I stand by my statement :) < 1302211070 486778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Admittedly the modern /environments/ aren't so ideal. < 1302211089 47572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the language itself is something I'd much rather have to code in than almost every other language. < 1302211094 505327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are maybe ten exceptions.) < 1302211100 721026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIST THEM < 1302211118 398660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram 2 doesn't count due to not existing in any meaningful way. < 1302211143 272758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is one! < 1302211153 446188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the others? < 1302211170 942148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DIDN'T MAKE A LIST < 1302211302 766994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :too few languages to warrant making a list < 1302211330 434112 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, EVERYTHING SUCKS < 1302211350 883430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you're either mocking me perfectly, or are a man I can relate to. < 1302211357 498120 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Maybe (Exception, Void))))))))) < 1302211358 585461 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as Scheme is one of the exceptions, it kind of wins out, for me. < 1302211385 279076 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not a list < 1302211398 693894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah, but if you were groaning at the lack of standardised names... at least the name for common list operations are the same in every Common Lisp :P < 1302211413 411171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And, sure, but, Common Lisp or PHP? < 1302211419 29134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp or Python? Perl? C? Ada? < 1302211419 964414 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pharen! < 1302211422 46092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL? < 1302211435 178348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I... am floored that you know what Pharen is. < 1302211441 420029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I had to Google it. < 1302211451 864137 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phar out man < 1302211457 970113 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard [about it] through the grapevine < 1302211463 684708 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *[about] < 1302211463 834891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a compiler that takes a Lisp-like language and turns it into PHP" :/ < 1302211472 395105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: was just about to correct you BRO < 1302211479 880256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... C++? Arc? < 1302211483 513942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog? < 1302211504 409932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 90% of languages are really bad. < 1302211516 570770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9% of the rest are tolerable but not any good. < 1302211527 392525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say Common Lisp almost certainly belongs to the remaining 1%. < 1302211531 357962 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*90% of the rest < 1302211534 327396 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally program in C for fun before I would program in Common Lisp for fun. < 1302211558 706111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't really see how you could place Scheme above 'em but CL below C. < 1302211572 634521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the multiple namespaces is a bit crappy, and a lot of the standard names suck but... it's still Lisp < 1302211590 889697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also CLOS. < 1302211608 888216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right, CLOS is one of the two tolerable OOP systems out there :) < 1302211743 835267 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I qualified my statement with "for fun" -- I am not concocting an absolute total order here. < 1302211788 446810 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, dude. I just wrote a bot in R. < 1302211788 850856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confound your imprecision! < 1302211799 295514 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-145.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302211804 766698 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I put R above Common Lisp? Apparently! < 1302211927 368253 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I have to debug Javascript :( not by choice obv < 1302212005 264488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HAVE FUN DUDE < 1302212043 630573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U PUT BUG IN PROGRAM? well, now you get to take it out... < 1302212051 143715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "Ten days without much sleep to build JS from scratch, "make it look like Java" (I made it look like C), and smuggle in its saving graces: first class functions (closures came later but were part of the plan), Self-ish prototypes (one per instance, not many as in Self)." < 1302212060 555459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ONLY KINSHIP WITH BRENDAN EICH CAN SAVE YOU < 1302212084 213267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have I mentioned the time my school told everyone to use IE 5 *for Mac* to run JS. < 1302212107 270777 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. olsner: Django. (no further words are needed) < 1302212130 459791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Actually IE 5 for Mac was an okay browser. < 1302212133 970671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shared no code with the Windows version. < 1302212154 125404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, but this was *last year*. < 1302212156 483667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: listen to Django Reinhardt while doing it, it'll be SO IRONIC (hipster for "worthwhile, validating experience") < 1302212161 525257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On computers *with Safari installed.* < 1302212170 242534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1302212178 891145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: (I have never listened to Django Reinhardt and don't plan to) < 1302212180 93271 :cheater00!~cheater@g231051244.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302212286 830334 :cheater99!~cheater@g231048147.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302212293 504335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :django is named after a person? < 1302212303 803544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1302212437 687340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302212443 80500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1302212446 793443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :353) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1302212537 922667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1302212545 442387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302212617 805744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302212692 572275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Tron, the hacker was not supposed to be snooping around on a network; he was supposed to kill a process. So we went with posix kill and also had him pipe ps into grep. I also ended up using emacs eshell to make the terminal more l33t. The team was delighted to see my emacs performance -- splitting the editor into nested panes and running different modes. I was tickled that I got emacs into a block buster movie." < 1302212791 194942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jtnimoy-public.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/178/TRON_GFX_BR_07.JPG < 1302212794 186486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH DEAR GOD < 1302212799 213098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far in the future is tron set < 1302212801 561762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what i am seeing is: < 1302212803 674634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :udev is never going to die < 1302212807 546958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tron legacy that is) < 1302212923 82558 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302213390 757773 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302214327 570762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :topipidpiaidpiapidpipiapidpiapidapidpipipidapidapidpiapidapidpiadadaapdiapidpia < 1302214361 574960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obviously! < 1302214374 896035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tapodpiapotpi < 1302214389 823604 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1302214844 854113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you will love this < 1302214847 99886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print 'test' < 1302214853 456180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "print 'test'" < 1302214855 693866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1302214864 550304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "True = False; print True; print True is False" < 1302214866 311732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False \ True < 1302214870 588983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "True = False; print True; print True is False; print (True is False) is True" < 1302214872 447163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :False \ True \ False < 1302214875 163698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ^ < 1302214938 794237 :marchdown_!~marchdown@46.138.162.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302214950 171188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :marchdown: no, march up < 1302215074 768629 :marchdown!~marchdown@46.138.173.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302215075 511451 :marchdown_!~marchdown@46.138.162.76 NICK :marchdown < 1302215078 624309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S RIGHT < 1302215267 837509 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep < 1302215285 767706 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable boolean constants < 1302215302 437567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutabonstants < 1302215315 863151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds exactly as awkward as the idea of mutable constants is < 1302215455 307831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO #1 <- #2 < 1302215469 595481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please tell me that works < 1302215476 585912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it requires -v < 1302215482 755951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does -v do again? extensions? < 1302215483 92657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but works < 1302215487 618683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just lets you do tha < 1302215489 154209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1302215497 602367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that letting people do it by accident was too mean < 1302215517 237337 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing that happens in INTERCAL is ever an accident < 1302215518 258726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CLC-INTERCAL, you have to write it indirectly, as in DO .1 <- #2 DO .1 <- .1/#1 < 1302215539 956536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a simple example, but in general it can be hard to spot you're assigning to a constant in more complex programs < 1302215585 318245 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: /catch sufficiently not mephitic solidity < 1302215590 998991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put it behind an option for safety reasons < 1302215770 397779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for portability, DO #1 <- #2 is a syntax error in INTERCAL-72, and thus might be being used for its properties as a syntax error < 1302215781 168214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the switch chooses whether it compiles as a syntax error or a calculate statement < 1302216028 533692 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302216030 875898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's literally impossible to extend INTERCAL < 1302216044 537163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can extend most languages safely by making a previously-invalid construct valid < 1302216048 454386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in INTERCAL, that doesn't work < 1302216076 76819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some extensions have been done like that < 1302216083 274574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. threading when two COME FROMs aim at the same line < 1302216083 462467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but they break programs that rely on those lines to be invalid < 1302216089 854266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302216099 655901 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you can do with INTERCAL is make up where there are compiler switches to select which extensions are available < 1302216361 702767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL actually uses a plugin architecture to handle thata < 1302216363 21484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1302216367 850672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're called "preloads" < 1302216567 848073 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302216825 883657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is wrong with the "TRON:Legacy" picture? Is that the control key is missing. < 1302216944 739633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1302216974 491198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, tron: legacy is set in... the present day? huh < 1302217208 549357 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302217220 918778 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302217267 364099 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302217402 661160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to send a program to CTAN but it is not on there < 1302218019 759228 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stanislav apparently likes Squeak < 1302218071 668647 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there seem to be no blog posts about it < 1302218083 519378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees one thing that possibly tangentally mentions Smalltalk
< 1302218184 969283 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302218207 519089 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Lisp Machine (which could just as easily have been, say, a Smalltalk machine)..." < 1302218209 530882 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1302218219 353058 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes just as easily < 1302218308 975956 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp = Arc = Clojure < 1302218323 121262 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := Guile < 1302218328 23474 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := EMACS < 1302218352 476329 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := Smalltalk * 0.910071 < 1302218399 858357 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.loper-os.org/?p=85 < 1302218419 821716 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302218532 857212 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAAAAAAHHHHHHH hi < 1302218534 318594 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bye < 1302218537 36394 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-190-159.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302218537 259733 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062069.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302218712 778892 :cheater00!~cheater@g231051244.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302218945 809603 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302218978 806273 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how difficult it would be to make a Morphic web browser in Squeak
< 1302219114 65860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1302219156 341051 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302219751 96718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnu tide < 1302219833 75012 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302219965 330276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDF of TUGboat 3,1 (March 1982), 10-27 is difficult to read. Where is the web source file for that article? < 1302219975 926722 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302220019 333537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should ask Knuth for a copy? < 1302220488 914074 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302220629 472920 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302221014 575854 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302221944 229770 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222323 394903 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-97-237.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302222409 638731 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302222420 92446 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222617 803565 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302222660 908030 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-118-72.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222725 137427 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222798 125832 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1302223318 715275 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302223842 823495 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302224221 515866 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302226926 101668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1302227430 72240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's learning the alphabet! How cute! < 1302227934 589087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302227960 189931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1302228300 115466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :punching trees gives him wood < 1302228385 936482 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302228430 865766 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302228600 581174 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302228646 956004 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302229270 164687 :marchdown_!~marchdown@46.138.175.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302229280 271828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi marchdown < 1302229290 926733 :marchdown!~marchdown@46.138.162.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302229291 453299 :marchdown_!~marchdown@46.138.175.160 NICK :marchdown < 1302230396 72694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- [...]'s inbox is full < 1302230399 142722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a new one. < 1302231123 165425 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302231166 963473 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302232201 276525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read a blog post called "Pharo, the death kneel of Squeak?" < 1302232211 235290 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And misread it as "Pharo, the death kneel of Smalltalk?" < 1302232219 49165 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is on a Cincom blog, so) < 1302233618 707658 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302233659 449380 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302236790 778260 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302236801 884234 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302237179 81512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302238883 237440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302238984 660201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, crud, found a bug in some Pharo documentation < 1302239148 919871 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302239216 431664 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/mls/blogView?entry=3429226129 ? < 1302239238 669136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302239652 534970 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302239689 634989 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302239876 53157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1302240205 834696 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302240241 527351 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302240860 134543 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302240920 313560 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302241757 341158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302243097 724413 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302243123 592024 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302243956 886802 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302244937 64805 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302245075 892380 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302246941 779329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I am becoming more and more convinced that programming (heavily, exclusively) in Python changes the way you think for the worse." <<< python hasn't changed me at all, i think < 1302247020 878719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" idea: language where all expressions have side effects. an integer expression is in fact of the form kB where B is a block of code (possibly empty) that is executed k times." <<< this is how you implement integers in lc, kinda, except for the side-effects part :D < 1302247762 446288 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302248117 410454 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302249995 778189 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302250021 438824 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302250283 614988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302250430 757343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : -MemoServ- [...]'s inbox is full < 1302250444 759465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you, its notice is too subtle... < 1302250496 397636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that might not be the cause there < 1302251714 750207 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228139.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302251767 453617 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062069.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302253002 322227 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302253788 479390 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302254434 483904 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228139.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302255094 864036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302255163 501824 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302255735 662957 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228089.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302256732 42531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a VLQ stream could you use 0x80 as a terminator? (That is, assuming you are not in the middle of a number) < 1302258023 180691 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302258109 391816 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228089.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302258184 190872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302262260 745248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302263603 505038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302265401 417998 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302265650 584608 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302267699 719129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["Jake liked his women the way he liked his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and covered with short brown fuzzy hair."]] < 1302267699 869548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a succinct Bulwer-Lytton. < 1302267999 498306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just saw an Evony ad without any breasts at all. < 1302269478 800666 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302269516 845653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today seems to be a day for the impossible. < 1302269526 520924 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302269716 980735 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net NICK :Lymia < 1302269717 508562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I finally succeeded at something! < 1302269718 587697 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1302269718 738563 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302269722 940350 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why must the Bulwer-Lytton web site be the most abysmally 1993 web site ever? < 1302269725 744389 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302269737 9213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I realised $800 is absurd for a domain name! < 1302269746 778427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found something I don't hate! < 1302269754 349657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm very very angry! < 1302269779 168488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps I take myself a bit too seriously! < 1302269782 514707 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, $800 is not absurd for a domain name if it's libc.so, you're not gettin' that out of me :P < 1302269825 119515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IPv4 exhaustion? I haven't really been following it... < 1302269885 166092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK I NEED MORE < 1302269964 496632 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Today I shall make enough of an impression on someone that they could identify me personality and parody it. < 1302269966 64762 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHH < 1302269999 629034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :D < 1302270040 827249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, I forgot to pay for something. Ah, well, it's not worth fretting over. < 1302270138 642281 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : [A completely normal comment.] < 1302270206 445732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found something I don't hate! <-- that actually happens, but then after looking at it for five more minutes he realizes he did in fact hate it. < 1302270259 906766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<{aloril, bsmntbombdood, dbc, enki-[quit], iamcal, jcp, jix, lifthrasiir, mtve, mycroftiv, pingveno, rodgort, sebbu, sftp, shachaf, SimonRC, yiyus, Zwaarddijk}> ANYTHING AT ALL < 1302270272 549414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302270305 515225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait what, the domain is at $800 ? That's insane < 1302270316 933323 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The domain finally went for $1,350 < 1302270322 768170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, who won it? < 1302270329 849473 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. 449 < 1302270336 782702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you then? < 1302270352 443646 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Mr. 442 :P < 1302270356 113881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302270795 296772 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Zwaarddijk talks. < 1302270814 596797 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a time when bsmntbombdood, SimonRC and jix talked :P < 1302270825 543092 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc is an enigma. < 1302270843 459701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a Researcher Of Brainfuck, no? < 1302270853 118569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENIGMA < 1302270948 514838 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302271197 218043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, To add to Gregor's list: lifthrasiir used to talk. mycroftiv talks sometimes, but rarely. sebbu I remember talking too. < 1302271235 423063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said tonnes back in The Day. < 1302271241 239514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dbc, that is.) < 1302271299 243864 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENIGMA < 1302271584 245094 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus.. osx is so terrible.. i am having flashbacks < 1302271612 794304 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, can't alt-tab to a window? what? < 1302271626 934773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, cmd-tab? < 1302271630 784484 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluttering the switcher menu with inactive applications? < 1302271637 44781 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it's "an alt-tab" < 1302271647 147207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, same thing... < 1302271660 10890 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not, because you can't alt-tab into a window < 1302271670 676472 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can alt-tab into an applciation and it brings up all of its windows at once. < 1302271681 53885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, I have another one. < 1302271681 481708 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to multitasking a'la 1982 < 1302271690 870819 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best of them all.. you install applications by copying folders. < 1302271692 55728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I grew up! < 1302271712 672575 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is that why all this hair has started showing up in weird places? < 1302271757 342605 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait, growing up - i'm glad they didn't put me in a retirement house yet! < 1302271780 966923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, actually, self-contained applications is a good idea. The OS X packages may or may not be a good way to do that though. < 1302271801 276888 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an insanely bad idea < 1302271805 703124 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i copy it to the wrong spot? < 1302271808 487109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on windows, and linux, applications tend to spread out < 1302271823 671001 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the idea of doing it like osx does it is bad < 1302271832 152015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has package manager, that works. Windows is a mess when it comes to installing/uninstalling things. < 1302271833 189283 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-containment might have some merit, but i am not so sure either < 1302271838 592096 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like packages with dependencies more < 1302271845 465222 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, osx is a similar mess < 1302271874 150114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, not quite. As for copying to wrong spot, I doubt things would blow up < 1302271878 90146 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, let's have a billion copies of the same software in slightly-incompatible versions with different bugs in them < 1302271929 214149 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the lacking of a real alt-tab is devastating to my productivity < 1302271949 183496 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the mouse to navigate between firefox windows? who's come up with that sick joke? < 1302271969 119217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, Only thing I use often that doesn't do tabs or such inside a single main window is gimp < 1302271990 575051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things, like browser, text editor, and so on, are tabbed or similar. < 1302272001 772279 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs ok < 1302272005 246602 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i use tabs + windows < 1302272011 394871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, why do you use multiple firefox windows... < 1302272038 366926 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one window for email, one window for reading up on whatever technology i am using right now, one window for another technology, one window for something else < 1302272053 277384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, anyway, I'm sure there is some third party program to do what you want. Or you could install linux on that thing. < 1302272087 65572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, email is a separate program, no? < 1302272102 678819 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gmail. < 1302272109 743412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302272117 445551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderbird or such < 1302272122 211242 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gmail < 1302272145 386798 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like gmail is running on my compu^w mac < 1302272156 917436 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't call a mac a computer :| < 1302272164 854873 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... can't. *sigh* < 1302272174 128407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use gmail from thunderbird with IMAP < 1302272184 964719 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use gmail with firefox < 1302272226 457220 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: another thing is that all the software on mac is paid-for < 1302272251 297040 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the next version you'll need to pay-for the ability to create directories < 1302272256 922159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm sure there is some solution to your issue. Besides alt-tab is rather inefficient I find. Unless you just have a handful of windows/programs you end up tabbing a lot < 1302272280 853088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with more than 10 windows or so, alt-tab is pretty much unusable < 1302272292 827228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they happen to lie close to each other < 1302272322 219373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i bet the next version you'll need to pay-for the ability to create directories <-- that made no sense. < 1302272330 247659 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i usually end up using only a few windows during any given extended time < 1302272370 316729 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so alt-tab works well, i only need to alt-tab 3-deep most times < 1302272382 941736 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302272395 20893 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i am changing my workflow (for example, starting to work on something else) i usually use the taskbar... oh wait, osx HAS NO TASKBAR < 1302272396 277399 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302272455 500583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a dock, which you can put stuff in. And also shows open programs. From what I remember the windows 7 task bar works pretty much the same. < 1302272631 109928 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302272676 9492 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302272782 993570 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i bet the next version you'll need to pay-for the ability to create directories <-- that made no sense. < what i meant was that you have to pay for such simple things, things that in linux have been solved ages ago, to much better effect than those paid-for options for mac, and the linux versions are free. < 1302273187 986324 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To continue your "impossibilities" theme: [something that is not an ASCII-art fractal] < 1302273223 765848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302273226 896729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT THE CLOG HEADER FILE CHANGED < 1302273237 856090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For pre-2011 clog logs, go to http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/old/." < 1302273238 181874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1302273239 757504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wtf < 1302273241 393488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just stupid < 1302273244 338637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all log links are broken < 1302273261 858686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302273265 388160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're only available in zip now < 1302273280 696659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, though. < 1302273289 19166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't. < 1302273298 811900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking links is not a good idea. Ever. < 1302273360 852258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fair enough. < 1302273372 125106 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302273385 500044 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302273419 850736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, it is *sometimes*.) < 1302273435 28410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not for small, easily-kept, widely-publicised (in the community) plain text files like IRC logs.) < 1302273873 827563 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the only sensible solution is for #esoteric to become an IDF (International DOI Foundation) registered Registration Agency, and thereafter assign a DOI for each #esoteric log-line, to ensure them links will always stay intact. < 1302273886 529308 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302273939 717412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302274174 768464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302274199 782815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302274574 439571 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a DOI? < 1302274634 837685 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-118-72.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302274955 114101 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a supposedly-permanent-identifier-for-an-object thing; quite a lot of sciencey publishers provide DOIs for their papers. < 1302274984 795657 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least significant enough to not be in Wikipedia :P < 1302275077 147596 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-112-151.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302275095 236519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302275213 276298 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why have you not told me what DOI stands for? < 1302275526 240106 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302275670 820520 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302276249 753571 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302276313 370221 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Document Object Identifier. < 1302276327 569343 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, Digital. < 1302276335 49377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's in Wikipedia all right. < 1302276448 854590 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it is, I just didn't speculate that that would be the expansion you were going for. < 1302276574 786437 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302276694 569659 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, sometimes, but rarely ;) < 1302276985 480757 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277086 333945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:35:22: Phantom_Hoover: Why must the Bulwer-Lytton web site be the most abysmally 1993 web site ever? < 1302277101 895772 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@c-d3a972d5.011-367-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277103 410817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because the Bulwer-Lytton is ~0% as awesome as the Lyttle Lytton. < 1302277186 928300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:42:18: [A completely normal comment.] < 1302277190 545441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this is the best thing ever :D < 1302277206 959295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:53:34: I remember a time when bsmntbombdood, SimonRC and jix talked :P < 1302277210 673792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i remember when the first two did < 1302277225 388111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:53:45: dbc is an enigma. < 1302277225 550350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED HE'S VERY BUSY < 1302277251 689612 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277263 696489 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302277268 111225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:24: jesus.. osx is so terrible.. i am having flashbacks < 1302277268 436705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:52: seriously, can't alt-tab to a window? what? < 1302277276 12506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES OS X IS APPLICATION ORIENTED AND IT TAKES A DIFFERENT KEY COMBO TO SWITCH WINDOWS < 1302277294 891741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:08:10: and the best of them all.. you install applications by copying folders. < 1302277295 42354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH INSANELY CRAPPY INSTALLERS, APPLICATIONS ARE SELF-CONTAINED AND seriously there is not a single thing wrong with applications as directories? < 1302277298 561926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the poorest trolling ever < 1302277366 787918 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277377 634937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:09:40: cheater99, actually, self-contained applications is a good idea. The OS X packages may or may not be a good way to do that though. < 1302277377 803032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:01: it's an insanely bad idea < 1302277377 964615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:05: what if i copy it to the wrong spot? < 1302277378 115443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302277385 45150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should totally not be feeding the troll but what the hell, Vorpal already did < 1302277386 351451 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277399 596944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially considering that os x apps can run from anywhere anyway < 1302277412 383889 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302277461 683677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:33:07: Phantom_Hoover: To continue your "impossibilities" theme: [something that is not an ASCII-art fractal] < 1302277466 518541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 2002 much? < 1302277501 754560 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X's implementation of virtual desktops ("spaces") is abysmally bad, and in particular breaks modal windows; if they open in a non-current space, they have all modal properties except that they are not always-on-top or visible on every space, so they force the user (me) to play Hunt The Window. Other than that my problems with OS X are mainly its hilariously obsolete console userland and pointlessly flashy UI. LET THE TROLLERY BEGIN. < 1302277510 499574 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am such an old-fashioned guy. < 1302277513 824390 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302277518 911612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nobody likes Spaces X-P < 1302277522 612200 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277547 217863 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC: 7 215 616 IP addresses left (0.43 blocks, down 0.08): 64k to China, 3x4k+1k to Japan, 1M to South Korea, 256 to Signapore, 6x32k to Thailand, 16k+2k to Vietnam < 1302277551 42964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nothing you said is incorrect, unlike every single incredibly poor trolling attempt by cheater that still provoked me and Vorpal into replying :P < 1302277576 723030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302277586 822414 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like appdirs, wish LiGnuX (lol) would adopt 'em. < 1302277600 935050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ROX is that way :P < 1302277615 660792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (ROX being the rather dead attempt to clone the RISC OS environment on LeeGNUx.) < 1302277633 968952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ROX Filer actually supports them, anyway, and IIRC there's some kind of Zero-Install integration :P < 1302277640 496343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ROX Filer is also the only tolerable graphical file manager.) < 1302277663 372840 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only tolerable graphical file manager is coreutils in an xterm! < 1302277689 148045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want a terminal/file manager hybrid that lets me type "t*" and all the files starting with t in the current directory would get highlighted in the top pane :P < 1302277700 787749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also select files graphically and have it update a glob on the command line. < 1302277727 827021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "mv foo.png [fishes in top pane through subdir hierarchy for the right dir] a/b/c/d" < 1302277758 3212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277789 263010 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also waiting for PureDarwin :P < 1302277796 345582 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY YEAR NOW MAN < 1302277797 838119 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY YEAR NOW < 1302277826 448748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I want the opposite... I want someone to use that Mach-O loader to port all the OS X foundation libraries and then run the Quartz display server on it X-D < 1302277851 282457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO KNOWN AS: The easiest way to get a userland newer than 10 years old in an OS X environment < 1302277878 962207 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm not sure what the purpose of using maloader is for that ... < 1302277891 245038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because... all the OS X Quartz binaries... are Mach-Os? < 1302277894 109234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And closed source? < 1302277899 301434 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PureDarwin uses Mach-O, and is compatible with console Mac OS X apps. < 1302277919 527998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, you could do that. < 1302277926 103620 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle you could drag over the appropriate files from a Mac OS X install and make some beastly hybrid. < 1302277934 934868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : OS X's implementation of virtual desktops ("spaces") is abysmally bad, and in particular breaks modal windows; if they open in a non-current space, they have all modal properties except that they are not always-on-top or visible on every space, so they force the user (me) to play Hunt The Window. Other than that my problems with OS X are mainly its hilariously obsolete console userland and poin < 1302277935 181432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tlessly flashy UI. LET THE TROLLERY BEGIN. <-- apart from system auth dialogs and critical system error messages, modal windows are a *bad* idea. < 1302277940 387699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah the line length < 1302277942 115327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the kernel modules and drivers and the like would interact properly :P < 1302277951 559059 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, they are, but that doesn't make it OK to break them ... < 1302277961 102052 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True enough *shrugs* < 1302277974 983383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, the thing with app folders is that they're... wait for it... essentially just static linking. < 1302277983 278667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if done in the OS X "every app includes its dependencies" sense. < 1302277985 457518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, they shouldn't be permitted IMO. Like you should need to run with elevated privs to be able to tell the windowing system to show a modal window. < 1302278001 134491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could have a nice deduplicative system that hard-links libraries with equivalent checksums and filenames, but :P < 1302278018 165492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm sayin' is: STATIC LINKING IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER < 1302278071 845028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how hard would it be to make a screen locker kind of application without the unlocking stuff? I doubt you need special privs with X11 for it, other than the basic "permitted to talk to server" < 1302278093 900575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Depends how you define "modal" < 1302278107 864743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's "modal to one window/application", that's shitty, but not something to ban < 1302278111 530350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, modal within an application would be okay yeah < 1302278112 23814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as the app could simulate it itself. < 1302278114 142808 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Static linking is fine, people just have to learn that there's a distinction between "random vendor-supplied garbage" and "random distro-supplied garbage", and different types of linking and inclusion policies are better for each. < 1302278121 914722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what I meant here was system wide modal < 1302278159 369792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure... but on a typical Linux system, there's not much more than libc that fits the system-wide dynamic policy there :P < 1302278198 429293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe libpng and the like, ncurses, arguably gtk/qt, ... < 1302278212 436588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which should pretty much be limited to stuff like auth dialogs, confirmation of shutdown/log out, and criticial errors ("system logger just crashed" would be a good example) < 1302278213 594703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh < 1302278226 545580 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, now that you've covered 95% of libraries that programs typically link to, what next? :P < 1302278252 375908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I said ARGUABLY gtk/qt, I don't think I'd dynamically link those in reality. < 1302278264 399670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't trust GUI lib vendors to not fuck up the ABI :) < 1302278287 176812 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -h /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtWebKit.so.4.6.2 < 1302278287 365440 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16M /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtWebKit.so.4.6.2 < 1302278304 207561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have an idea. It has probably been thought of before. On-the-fly static linking. (Probably with some OS-managed caching though) < 1302278305 571040 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not an argument, just an observation I always ♥) < 1302278338 97855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, that's a really convincing argument that C++ and Qt and WebKit all need to die in a fiery pit :P < 1302278364 600717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically it statically links in .a and .o on as required when you run it. This would allow deduplicative storage too < 1302278378 901606 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What OBLISK did way back when I maintained it was accept any host libraries that pass the ldd -r test, and if they don't it swapped them out for included libraries. So bugfixes or distro integration could be used in most cases, but it would work in other cases. < 1302278388 149453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the typical benefit of static linking (only links what you need) doesn't really help there because (1) there's not that many separate components to WebKit from an app point of view and (2) they probably don't separate their object files properly because that would be horrific in C++. < 1302278433 854379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Honestly I'm *actually* a total dynamic linking fan, it's just that Unix fucks it up like everything :P < 1302278449 827442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like static linking on Unix purely because it's less of a headache. < 1302278462 273886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, OBLISK? < 1302278469 232669 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And you prefer what, PE/COFF .dlls? :P < 1302278480 47227 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A portable appdir system I made once a long long time ago. < 1302278498 604138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302278553 205032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I prefer a late-bound object (FSVO 〃) ecosystem X-D < 1302278561 812995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do "only links what you need" with dynamic linking too. /lib/libc/printf.so eh? < 1302278596 880169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, Unicode has mutton spaces. < 1302278606 757693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how does webkit compare to boost on that system? < 1302278620 207994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what on earth is a "mutton space"? < 1302278654 909542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a mutton space. < 1302278659 390566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "boost" < 1302278663 404955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boost doesn't have all that many object files < 1302278665 553429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly headers :P < 1302278670 532262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1302278686 437946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ libraries can only be statically linked because of templates, pretty much... statically source-linked. With headers. < 1302278693 735613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Template-based C++ libraries, that is.) < 1302278707 94045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does have the longest symbols names on my system though (both when mangled and unmangled) < 1302278723 608777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a few .so < 1302278829 108505 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203172.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302278879 812662 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302278920 701932 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302278927 789001 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New estimate for APNIC depletion: Friday 15th April. < 1302278973 547446 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1302278997 799171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what happens then? Some special rule for last block? < 1302279008 80633 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow week: 0.33 blocks. < 1302279026 155775 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302279167 9562 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that slow and fast weeks alternate. Week before this used about 0.56 blocks. < 1302279208 671725 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in alternation, next week would be "fast", depling APNIC. < 1302279215 443172 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*depleting < 1302279251 404367 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302279256 730356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, for a moment I thought "depling" was some sort of new hip Internet slang for depletion-in-the-context-of-IPv4. < 1302279280 467762 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302279519 779754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:58:24: elliott, I have an idea. It has probably been thought of before. On-the-fly static linking. (Probably with some OS-managed caching though) < 1302279519 969482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka... < 1302279521 388550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic linking? < 1302279620 211434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not quite. < 1302279629 142190 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134171.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302279649 669589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the dynamic linker (ld.so) works quite differently from the static linker (ld) < 1302279668 426286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would however work better with byte code I think < 1302279692 666205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what does smalltalk do? I'm not sure how to classify it < 1302279760 759313 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203172.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302280212 135587 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logspace: /9.217. Binary Decomposition: /10+/11+/13+/14+/15+/20+/21+/23. < 1302280364 210222 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :invariable < 1302280651 437568 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block counts (start at /10): 1, 2, 4, 9, 19, 38, 76, 163, 346, 756, 1586, 3309, 6749, 13738, 28186. < 1302280715 287790 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, 19 large blocks (256k) remain. < 1302281073 924629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK GUYS I HAVE COME UP WITH MY PRETENTIOUS LATIN MOTTO < 1302281087 989161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIRCVMDOR IDIOTAM < 1302281244 744572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302281429 985792 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302282348 773740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302282355 238166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whaddya mean "what does smalltalk do"? < 1302283001 146584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, with it's world image thingy, does it link the executable code for running it at runtime? < 1302283024 175196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if they JIT, interpret or whatever < 1302283166 616043 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302283169 777143 :marchdown!~marchdown@46.138.175.160 QUIT :Quit: marchdown < 1302283234 942132 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302283253 594511 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: When new code is encountered, the Smalltalk VM sends it to smalltalk.arpa:666, where it is received by the only living human who understands Smalltalk. He rewrites it in C, which is sent back to the VM. The VM compiles that C into an object file and dynamically loads that into its current environment. < 1302283278 290338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1302283292 919875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:41: elliott, well, with it's world image thingy, does it link the executable code for running it at runtime? < 1302283295 783520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what this means. < 1302283661 327078 :joojii!~stevecase@76.91.108.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302283677 274641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joojii iiijijojojo < 1302283728 914718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aha. Well that explains why I never managed to get it working without an internet connection. < 1302283810 440006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikien4.appspot.com/wiki/Main_Page < 1302283826 308113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gonna clarify? :P < 1302283830 894919 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut < 1302283838 466108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ELMERFUDDPEDIA < 1302283864 985970 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how it replaced "the" but not "The" < 1302283882 281815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not sure what I meant. But does smalltalk need a linker to execute? < 1302283903 114576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from, you know, for loading the virtual machine on the host os) < 1302283913 311906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To execute what? The Smalltalk VM? A given method? < 1302283928 131958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the latter I guess < 1302284110 606178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why would it? < 1302284124 615635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does Python require a linker for a method to execute "obj = Foo(); obj.bar()"? < 1302284274 880523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, arguably you could say that it has a kind of linker for "import somemodule" < 1302284285 962817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really in the normal sense of linker though < 1302284324 976881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really a linker; it just executes somemodule.py in the current global context, really. < 1302284624 340923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What TLDs have A records? < 1302284627 550941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai does, com doesn't. < 1302284672 557825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, right. I guess it would be more of a linker (though still not very much) for something like java < 1302284691 40972 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IIRC, none anymore (but some IIRC did in the past). < 1302284692 511522 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ilari: What TLDs have A records? --> none should < 1302284702 883986 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: do you mean the wildcard domains? < 1302284706 70389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai. 86400 IN A 209.59.119.34 < 1302284709 758061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: invariable: factually incorrect < 1302284713 920746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC n@ai is a guy called Ian :-) < 1302284725 340317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser will refuse to go to http://ai/. but the IP works. < 1302284742 722135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .ai, where is that? < 1302284744 736542 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: strange. < 1302284748 480556 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about http://ai./? < 1302284753 88170 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there are those (I looked it wrong). < 1302284759 85556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1302284771 747617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many email clients will send to n@ai. < 1302284774 693207 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai. doesn't just have a A record, it has _MX_ record. < 1302284775 727701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and lucky guy that Ian. < 1302284790 444962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Thus the email I guess :-P < 1302284800 740641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, dig(1) doesn't give me the NX record. < 1302284817 426809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dig ai. IN MX < 1302284818 71408 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: most email clients won't send to all RFC compliant email addresses < 1302284819 264855 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, no AAAA records. < 1302284824 733833 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo@foo.com"@a < 1302284825 243286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: of course :P < 1302284827 673401 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1302284829 100029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Write an complain ;) < 1302284832 728957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: You forgot (comments). < 1302284843 817443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that gives me the MX record. Sure you remembered IN MX? < 1302284846 32584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; ANSWER SECTION: < 1302284846 196310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tk. 300 IN A 217.119.57.22 < 1302284861 949292 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh. by I stand by my none *should* comment before < 1302284864 389124 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* btw < 1302284870 976878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: YOU ARE NO FUN. < 1302284872 649205 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :some *might have* but they shouldn't < 1302284886 561877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up, I want a three-character domain name :-D < 1302284888 617375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE DAY < 1302284898 31068 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I WANT A GOOD DOMAIN NAME TOO < 1302284907 548696 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't have MX record, but A record is enough for SMTP to attempt delivery. < 1302284909 307808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T SAY SUCH THINGS THEN < 1302284912 751021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: most email clients won't send to all RFC compliant email addresses <-- pine/alpine/mutt can even handle comments with escaped end-comment symbols within. Way more than for example thunderbird can < 1302284923 218039 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: SO DID I. < 1302284924 233609 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ofc. < 1302284930 191268 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BUT YOU ARE GETTING ONE < 1302284931 419264 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: We can't always get what we want. < 1302284939 105384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Waaaah < 1302284946 401743 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Dood, I didn't get libc.so < 1302284946 976589 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you failed the libc.so auction? < 1302284952 177136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Nope, it went to $1,000,000 which was 2 cents over his limit. < 1302284952 807669 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1302284961 773534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(His pocket money for the week) < 1302284978 348670 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ouch. I wonder who did get it < 1302284996 932035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, I think he said it went to $1300 or something around there < 1302285002 249437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was still over his budget < 1302285005 189006 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1302285009 240356 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1302285014 977844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, elliott was (of course) exaggerating < 1302285017 161953 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: We will soon know who got it :P < 1302285021 596205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAID $1,000,000 OK < 1302285025 279837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS THE PRICE < 1302285068 43359 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: To elliott, $1,000 is effectively infinite money, and values greater than infinity are like matter at speeds faster than light; theoretically possible, but impossible to see or measure. < 1302285080 235607 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"greater than $1,000" that is, since $1,000 = infinity. < 1302285086 312243 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ua. doesn't have A/AAAA but has MX records. :-) < 1302285089 935208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Trololololololol < 1302285155 757457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: The same goes for ais btw. < 1302285171 357654 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ saturation arithmetic < 1302285200 533361 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302285208 120798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor is rationalising away anyone who tells him that spending $800 on a domain isn't worth it) < 1302285212 307769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trololololololol < 1302285225 741705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I like that explanation! < 1302285234 696571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, did I typo that?) < 1302285239 361862 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away
< 1302285245 940947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT ESCAPE < 1302285248 798137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, you are? < 1302285292 825342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, if you are away, how can you possibly say that? Or did you use a timer to cause your irc client to say that after you left? < 1302285325 265584 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's locked in a matrix of solidity. He cannot respond. < 1302285334 895657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302285603 46674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about $75 for early access to a game and dev tools for it? < 1302285654 927864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1302285678 642935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508284443/grandroids-real-artificial-life-on-your-pc I want the $75 level < 1302285764 792779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you see your section of the List of Impossible Things. < 1302285771 331040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of expanding it. < 1302285785 708711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I paid for something! < 1302285786 427394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302285800 396996 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302285801 25135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I succeeded at something! < 1302285802 235423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that NestedVM uses GCC 3.3.6, which will not compile under GCC 4.1 or later." < 1302285814 914361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eagerly await the day where the only thing that compile a given gcc version is that gcc version. < 1302285819 785198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, but would "I paid for something!" be the expansion? < 1302285828 482836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, dunno. < 1302285835 65488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have moneys, don't you? < 1302285845 425281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to access monies < 1302285852 803536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But but he'd have to ask his father < 1302285865 593837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the word "dad" appears in the reason for that I am coming to America. < 1302285869 558911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And killing him. < 1302285873 753850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no. < 1302285920 462742 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, hm, arguably you could say that it has a kind of linker for "import somemodule" < 1302285932 817352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey cpressey. For all intensive purposes they will hopefully take for granite the peek affect on our moral of loosing there free rain over how we will be faring after pouring over the data which was delivered to late. < 1302285941 532440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being dragged off to Italy, then I have to crash that LW meeting. < 1302285949 415961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU FOOL < 1302285951 374097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I forgot that python actually ran code in the module, if you have any outside functions < 1302285952 233144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T MENTION IT IN A PUBLIC CHANNEL < 1302285952 564141 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could say it has some kind of linker for "foo.bar" < 1302285954 899631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1302285956 43807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1302285956 947458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELIEZER YUDKOWSKY KNOWS ALL < 1302285957 362568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so scratch that < 1302285964 54612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SORRY I SUCK AT THIS SORT OF THING < 1302285974 466280 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1302285978 243663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: NOTHING < 1302285978 900150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPENED < 1302285984 105639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID I MENTION ALL THE THINGS ME AND EHIRD BLEW UP < 1302285986 743006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN MC < 1302286025 68475 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't < 1302286033 815721 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac. has A, ai. has A/MX, as. has MX, bi. has A, bj. has MX, cf. has MX, cm. has A, dj. has MX, dk. has A, dm. has MX, gg. has A, gp. has MX, gt. has MX, hk. has A, hr. has MX, io. has A/MX, je. has A, kh. has MX, km. has MX, lk. has MX, < 1302286042 138938 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh. has MX, mq. has MX, ne. has MX, pa. has MX, ph. has A, pn. has A, sh. has A, td. has A, tk. has A, tm. has A, to. has A, tt. has MX, ua. has MX, uz. has A, va. has MX, ws. has A/MX, xn--o3cw4h. has A and ye. has MX. < 1302286057 707735 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No AAAA records. :-/ < 1302286085 575740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at the xn- one < 1302286096 450652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be a IDN one, right? < 1302286099 667992 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1302286099 959295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which country < 1302286103 928102 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ .bi < 1302286109 609986 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to buy porn.bi < 1302286115 228563 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably owned :P ) < 1302286119 597233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also bj < 1302286123 528674 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thailand apparently. < 1302286126 435096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :free.bj < 1302286144 125423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bi./ Bisexuality: It works! < 1302286152 309088 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I looked them up on Wikipedia, .bj isn't available to just anyone :P < 1302286164 761790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BAHAHAHAHA < 1302286165 465753 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1302286177 89835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what about TXT records? Does any have that? < 1302286183 942755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When googling for ".bj": < 1302286185 90581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How To Give a Good BJ < 1302286185 416062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 min - 14 May 2008 < 1302286185 566463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howcast.com < 1302286192 272793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THIS EXIST < 1302286204 886673 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some, including URLs, SPF records and general text. < 1302286206 782088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain names that: < 1302286207 4968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are composed of a single nature; < 1302286207 155591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are composed of two letters only; < 1302286207 155755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin or end with an indent “-”; or < 1302286207 155875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are of a length greater than 255 characters (or 63 by under field) < 1302286209 805070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot be recorded. < 1302286215 763575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a really awkward paragraph < 1302286228 71151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Now curl(1) all the domains with As, and filter out all the no-responses and "It works!"s :P < 1302286242 915075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where is that from? < 1302286281 685502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think some redirects to the nic < 1302286335 639618 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite many TLDs have MX records. Wonder how many places would reject those addresses. :-) < 1302287203 719120 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302287315 387013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302287332 244448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1302287335 17824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are cpressey < 1302287388 445894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am? < 1302287451 960193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302287456 812027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science confirms it. < 1302287465 878953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cpressey has quit (Quit: leaving) < 1302287466 85123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan (oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no) has joined #esoteric < 1302287471 389445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Impossible Thing: < 1302287477 704985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say "WORLD'S QUICKEST SEX CHANGE" < 1302287480 677896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was like... wait... what? < 1302287488 639365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my brain knows something about cpressey and/or oerjan that I don't < 1302287497 610173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : QUICK I NEED MORE < 1302287505 147176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes ok i will use my operator powers to remove trolls. < 1302287505 592060 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are overrated < 1302287514 263740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1302287523 5078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that one too < 1302287535 347418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :douchebag oerjan < 1302287537 27787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANS ELLIOTT < 1302287537 248967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1302287540 447529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T BAN ANYONE WHO ISN'T ELLIOTT < 1302287553 961274 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302287555 408449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU ARE NOT BANNED SHUTUP < 1302287555 578013 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302287564 429097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Shut up about banning! < 1302287564 579350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SHUTUP on the other hand is banned) < 1302287609 991245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, antisomething < 1302287617 828813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antiwhat < 1302287642 975330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :antioptbot < 1302287647 51073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302287724 514479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Neil Gaiman's episode of Doctor Who is going to be called "The Doctor's Wife". < 1302287732 507398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fanwank detector is going off. < 1302287832 434139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, To add to Gregor's list: lifthrasiir used to talk. mycroftiv talks sometimes, but rarely. sebbu I remember talking too. < 1302287838 956351 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve talked the other day < 1302287864 403725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, WHY IS SHUTUP BANNED < 1302287881 100097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. But isn't Neil Gaiman competent? < 1302287888 163395 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he didn't ? < 1302287890 696557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly so the whole channel won't be spammed by elliott trying to annoy Sgeo < 1302287924 375827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, he is, but remember that he'll still have to work it into whatever stupid story arc they have. < 1302287943 947018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm okay < 1302287948 508659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm seriously wondering how Doctor Who is going to keep up the endless escalation of series finale threats.) < 1302287968 942844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, they still have a handful of doctors to go, right? < 1302287980 738023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUTURE EARTH" "MODERN EARTH" "THE UNIVERSE" "REALITY ITSELF" "ERM... SAME AGAIN" "DITTO" < 1302288015 33908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean, as cliff hangers or what? < 1302288022 994079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm there was a severe lack of Sgeo in that list. although he probably needs his own section. < 1302288038 825132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no there wasn't? < 1302288048 171323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you looking at logs, or just scrollback? < 1302288052 86584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I mean the inevitable and hammy as hell series finales. < 1302288055 459243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302288060 757246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1302288085 6377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i didn't see it because he took a break after it before all the others < 1302288112 104726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FUTURE EARTH" "MODERN EARTH" "THE UNIVERSE" "REALITY ITSELF" "ERM... SAME AGAIN" "DITTO" < 1302288118 460422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well we could always revisit TIME ITSELF < 1302288123 548497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think I kind of summed up most of the Sgeo ones < 1302288130 421192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, which one was TIME ITSELF? < 1302288144 937824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The special. You know, with DEM GALLIFREY PEEPS. < 1302288148 893781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Series 4 or the Year Of the Specials? < 1302288156 456682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year Of The Specials, then. < 1302288165 1205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is "time itself" worse than "reality itself"? < 1302288179 598573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it means that, like, time never happened. < 1302288191 671278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can work it into my "time is 2D" theory for Doctor Who. < 1302288212 111281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the next level up is _our_ reality; they need to burn down the bbc or something. < 1302288212 261670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I'm having some trouble telling if time never happening or reality never happening is worst. < 1302288247 662990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302288270 574890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Define "time is 2D". < 1302288281 11527 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302288285 122278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rather than one time axis, you have 2, time and metatime. < 1302288296 554825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39:28: Phantom_Hoover, well, they still have a handful of doctors to go, right? < 1302288302 519366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To go"? They have an infinite amount. < 1302288311 998344 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302288318 285441 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's some quote somewhere about a maximum of 12, which they just surpassed. < 1302288322 441950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they should have started smaller. Then they would have more time left. Like "Hyde Park itself", "London itself", "England itself", "UK itself", "Europe itself" and so on < 1302288326 559097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no they didn't. < 1302288331 917175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on 11 out of 13. < 1302288346 389003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OH RIGHT, they're going to end a wildly popular 60s-onwards money-cow franchise... < 1302288357 23627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of an easily handwaved-away limit. < 1302288370 33043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY I was explaining metatime. < 1302288370 195181 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is one of these "some fan saw this somewhere" limit, not one of these "the show will actually end" limits :P < 1302288373 637671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well they will have to do something about that limit. < 1302288376 951243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks to the energy from the TARDIS, I can DOUBLE my regenerations! YOU WON'T WIN THIS TIME, DALEKS!!!!!!!" < 1302288389 733855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's an official limit, actually. < 1302288399 989765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, Doctor Who is horrific at internal consistency. < 1302288401 136230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1302288404 683872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An official limit that will stand until it is reached :P < 1302288409 971749 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ohright; not twelve doctors, twelve regenerations. And I was off by one on which doctor we're on. < 1302288431 927857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so time, rather than being immutable, is mutable as metatime advances. < 1302288433 842435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two off by one errors < 1302288440 261066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. <-- hm, that sounds awesome, but would other people see me floating sideways (my time) < 1302288443 700273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a terrible explanation, but it'll have to do. < 1302288456 728281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if I bump into a wall then < 1302288466 510534 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. But the time dimension as space is what makes it really wtfery :P < 1302288468 674383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you go back in time and kill Hitler, you go forwards in metatime and the structure of time changes. < 1302288477 368619 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only if you actually move in the dimension that is _their_ time... < 1302288493 120989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302288494 267675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err? < 1302288496 296378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be cool btw. < 1302288499 776788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say cool, I mean horrifying. < 1302288503 829702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovecraftian. < 1302288509 29676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metatime is advanced with time travel. < 1302288522 808818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't this just the standard "time changes have a timeline and so on recursively" thing? < 1302288523 137362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, you can factor time vs. reality destruction into this. < 1302288531 412557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no recursion. < 1302288533 750844 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you don't move along _their_ time dimension, they'll see a long rod appear and disappear... < 1302288534 545154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, standard in that I came up with it in about five seconds; maybe I'm just a genius. < 1302288544 695743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Has to have recursion, or you can't change the metatimeline properly. < 1302288555 189371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't change the metatimeline, that's the point. < 1302288557 837915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And if there's no recursion, it's not 2D. It's just two layers. < 1302288562 299599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two lines, in other words. < 1302288572 441499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1302288576 218576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I meant if I stand still (relative my own senses) I would still move along my own time axis. Which would be a space axis for everyone else. Right? < 1302288583 775787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1302288584 663738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1302288593 885473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Metatime can be discrete as well, though.) < 1302288600 239161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure if that matters.) < 1302288631 649580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So destroying reality at a point in time cuts everything further along the time axis out. < 1302288654 273720 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence, doomsday devices are practical for every serious timetraveler? < 1302288654 501427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destroying time cuts off everything further along the metatime axis. < 1302288662 194953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so then, lets say I "drift" sideways according to what I just said, what would happen if I bump into a wall due to using this switching gadget inside a room. < 1302288665 387822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. but if you are not moving, then you are not moving along the dimension that everyone _else_ sees as time, so you would only briefly appear and disappear < 1302288684 63724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I FEEL FEYNMAN DIAGRAMS ARE RELEVANT HERE < 1302288692 202130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was rather wondering what would happen to me if I hit that wall < 1302288694 492036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit why can't I draw in 3D < 1302288697 802008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or think in 4D < 1302288702 55044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE YOU EVOLUTION < 1302288709 737821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I feel the same < 1302288714 714274 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't think physics has a ready-made explanation for this :D < 1302288723 602289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1302288729 756221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also classical vs. quantum. < 1302288739 376608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classical is nicer so just use that. < 1302288744 151380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe time would stop for me < 1302288765 464256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you make a simple 3D scene of like a simple room and some sphere walking along it < 1302288770 552279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then do the reorientation and make another video :P < 1302288777 17186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be Lovecraftian. < 1302288778 352430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you'd just... live sideways. < 1302288785 770921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a fraction of a second. < 1302288787 571570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this thing could be useful kind of. Put some hot food in the device, next to a wall. Perfectly preserved, and hot food, when you want it! < 1302288804 156265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it would be in the wrong time for you hm < 1302288805 301710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the point of a still observer in both spaces) < 1302288809 563461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. still in time for the second) < 1302288815 342263 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That could be part of a series of "training videos" for the device, so you can understand how to comprehend reoriented spacetime >: ) < 1302288821 836032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you'd turn on the device, there'd be a 2D slice of Vorpal going right across the universe changing constantly so it'd be more like some kind of carrot. < 1302288831 780079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is seriously the stuff of nightmares. < 1302288846 55536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hah < 1302288850 591086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would essentially consist of tachyons during this... < 1302288851 558801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah, it's quite simple. < 1302288858 830356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait... < 1302288864 263647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though you stayed still in time, you'd still be moving in space < 1302288864 988740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with the imaginary mass and all? < 1302288865 330815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*space. < 1302288872 326723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, aren't they fictional thingies? < 1302288876 49308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, so the slice would zigzag. < 1302288881 767230 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're immeasurable and unprovable. < 1302288883 4334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they are _hypothetical_ thingies < 1302288885 37411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. You'd literally cover an entire plane of the universe. < 1302288885 694358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1302288887 820038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1302288889 347251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1302288891 926931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, you would. < 1302288892 77327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An entire... thick line. < 1302288893 72692 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302288896 173067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THAT IS SO WEIRD < 1302288900 750822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AWESOME < 1302288910 938504 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you don't remain reoriented forever, you would cover a limited space. < 1302288915 451166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you mean? < 1302288921 854724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "forever" < 1302288923 948402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "remain" < 1302288928 251381 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302288936 581905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hi, we're discussing existential horrors. < 1302288943 8293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you turn the device on. A second later, you turn it off. < 1302288955 290076 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably the machine will allow you to reorient yourself normally after some amount of time (space) spent reoriented. < 1302288960 646613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a you-shaped tunnel across a lightsecond of space lasting for a nanosecond. < 1302288961 905407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, a (x|y|z)-second later < 1302288965 286225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a t-second later < 1302288965 900424 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do the hokey-pokey and you shake it all about < 1302288968 559133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t being the usual time action < 1302288971 141700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axis < 1302288973 185182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a few nanosecond. < 1302288976 517790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nanoseconds < 1302288978 555928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no nanoseconds. < 1302288980 858819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be one Planck time. < 1302288982 650164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait < 1302288985 754569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not infinitely thin < 1302288994 231518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, depends on the scale :P < 1302288995 881592 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't sound that horror to me < 1302289000 124986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since it's the breadth of the area of effect over c. < 1302289003 250856 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be one your-thickness in seconds :P < 1302289007 840187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a measure of meters per second. < 1302289008 170916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302289013 46766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: It's pretty horrific. < 1302289022 233885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, just use c to convert. < 1302289023 214608 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's CONSIDER? < 1302289026 466062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that a second is a considerable distance if you use the c=1 convention < 1302289027 474171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's just say that 1 second is 1 metre :P < 1302289038 586541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so totally unjustifiable, but convenient. < 1302289038 961122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiply times by c for distances, divide distances by c for times. < 1302289051 640125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, that works too. < 1302289052 374460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF WE SAY 1 SECOND IS 1 M WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A VIDEO OUT OF THIS < 1302289054 339941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if we use c :P < 1302289058 269937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1 m < 1302289059 90225 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lightspeed ends up with you in relativity hell ... < 1302289067 666214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relativity Hell, the best kind of hell. < 1302289076 56228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no, because you're dicking around with the fabric of space, not standard physics. < 1302289087 270804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to curl up in a ball and cry. < 1302289089 369848 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what direction does space move when it's time < 1302289101 633916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, wait. < 1302289105 313045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's figure out a standard reorientation. < 1302289108 664223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically lightspeed travel for you, teleportation for everyone else. < 1302289111 380656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, using c. < 1302289113 728618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When reoriented, what axis is time? < 1302289118 544245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the normal universe, the time-axis is t. < 1302289120 596374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, device points forward. < 1302289125 428370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the reoriented universe, the time-axis is (x|y|z). < 1302289126 168226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is flipped in that direction. < 1302289130 561577 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is forward, i like that < 1302289130 889807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just pick one for convenience >_< < 1302289133 130728 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS < 1302289133 281577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue. Can one of you tell me where the current x axis points < 1302289136 48392 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302289139 78973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302289139 714785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality < 1302289140 860200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol boss < 1302289144 337050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I AM GUESSING) < 1302289152 448193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GALILEAN INVARIANCE IS FOR PUSSIES < 1302289163 896633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's a sentiment I can get behind < 1302289175 34928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not really Galilean invariance, it's relativity. < 1302289183 939994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well it would kind of matter if you are trying to work out which plane you are spread out over as you said above < 1302289195 924710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could, like, draw with my brain. < 1302289222 490063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BONUS OF THE VERSION WITH C AS THE CONVERSION FACTOR: you have FTL travel as a result.) < 1302289234 620462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs Phantom_Hoover in the head
< 1302289240 656357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1302289246 324211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a pencil < 1302289250 4625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly he went mad at our crazy physics skills. < 1302289255 589776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the detail. < 1302289278 932602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The FTL is like FTL in Freefall, though: from your perspective you travel at precisely c.) < 1302289283 319386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you said you wanted to draw with your brain, didn't you? < 1302289295 471233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1302289344 976898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wanted to draw it? < 1302289359 80758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/animate/whatever) < 1302289400 630223 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that elliott mentioned it, I would like to make an animation of it :P < 1302289413 941111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a raytracer would be ideal :P < 1302289414 954533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, right, OK, so: < 1302289424 388523 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe an animation for a 3D (2 physical D + time) universe rather than 4D. < 1302289424 718438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a device which points forward. < 1302289425 535087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: Colour everything in the room uniquely. < 1302289429 826286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflect those colours in the reoriented universe. < 1302289435 212672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is unrealistic, but waaay less of a pain to visualise. < 1302289437 319107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 2x2x2m cube around if converted. < 1302289440 598457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In reality, light would... what the fuck WOULD light do?) < 1302289441 451729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have something inside. < 1302289442 433852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no fucking idea.) < 1302289451 429458 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FUCKFUCKFUCKNO < 1302289454 275091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is Abstract Classical Space. < 1302289459 71552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It Just Works. < 1302289471 784857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1302289475 550428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WOULD LIGHT DOOOOO < 1302289501 734546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since this is Abstract Classical Space, you just magically perceive everything as it is.l < 1302289510 998207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as far as I remember, from the view of a photon, time stands still? < 1302289512 305609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO IRL < 1302289537 698967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, IRL we don't actually know how the universe works so you can't, no. < 1302289547 606401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302289553 448903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking how light would move about in such a reorientation. < 1302289554 364403 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the part of real life where you have a Gregor's Spaciotemporal Reorientation Machine� < 1302289563 989389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what the fuck shit would look like. < 1302289569 283875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just assume boring non-relativistic universe :P < 1302289575 51494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, atoms make no sense when flipped, so I have no idea. < 1302289589 873400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Assume it's done at the atom level >_< < 1302289597 486704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, atoms are left intact themselves. < 1302289601 213162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is time continuous? < 1302289606 911108 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's calculable, but not by our pathetic human minds. < 1302289610 702613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As continuous as matters < 1302289612 629400 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302289618 83900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the same sense that space is continuous) < 1302289620 396061 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302289635 874710 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually /write/ a photon tracer to generate this scene, just to be able to follow photons in all four dimensions ... < 1302289652 729371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it! Do it1 < 1302289655 226295 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@c-d3a972d5.011-367-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302289664 715798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve so hard < 1302289676 49616 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not tonight. OOPSLA deadline tonight :P < 1302289677 55404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...you know, this could make an AWESOME game premise. < 1302289685 541774 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1302289685 729242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Design landscapes that are only partially navigable in a single orientation. < 1302289691 335692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YES. YES IT COULD. < 1302289691 991982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have full rotations, so it's not just two to pick from. < 1302289699 917119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW < 1302289711 972166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, this is just Adanaxis with time. < 1302289714 61274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gregor: WE HAVE TO MAKE IT FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1302289717 75870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM THAT ACTUALLY SOUNDS COOL < 1302289717 226560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO it's better than that < 1302289721 25615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adanaxis doesn't also rotate your VIEW < 1302289727 425273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also it could be like a PLATFORMER < 1302289732 2943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could JUMP ... through TIME < 1302289752 895530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, just have only 90° rotations in time. < 1302289812 863195 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition: A game with this premise, but 2D space, just to make it a tidbit less OH GOD WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, or at least to make it more achievable in the short term :P < 1302289844 347220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you show the time dimension? < 1302289844 685225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well okay ;P < 1302289845 595431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1302289857 207390 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When you've reoriented yourself in it. < 1302289858 24941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, in normal play, the time dimension is shown by... time passing :P < 1302289859 12426 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302289865 264946 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1302289866 544424 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302289867 621545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHAT WOULD LIGHT DOOOOO <-- just use logic and the bible (John 8:12) to reduce this to "What would Jesus dooooo". < 1302289867 772123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGG < 1302289869 390193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game needs enemies. < 1302289872 646592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can also reorient. < 1302289881 966984 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ONE MIND-BOGGLING STEP AT A TIME < 1302289884 456692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're fightin' something and suddenly it reorients and WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING < 1302289895 76504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: logic and the bible, two great tastes that taste great together < 1302289912 853296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if someone flies sideways to time for ages and ages. < 1302289917 472851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh god we have to make this. This is an even better idea than Asteroids 2. < 1302289919 988752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to compute all that < 1302289922 180107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT EVEN IMPLY < 1302289950 725457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it implies you have a potentially infinite amount of processing for each interval of game time. < 1302289959 71299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets even *worse* if you reorient yourself. < 1302289962 790567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not if time and space are discrete. < 1302289966 626865 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Saturday I will begin work on the engine. It's definitely doable, but not simple :P < 1302289979 793363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean, if something kept going in a direction forever? < 1302289987 354200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just make the AI not do that X-D < 1302289988 52249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, my brain is starting to melt too. < 1302290000 121962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a two-player game, just stop someone dwelling in reoriented-ville for too long. < 1302290004 207262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaah okay this is hurting my brain. < 1302290009 739403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just... do a photon tracer to start with X-D < 1302290011 548898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott: this sounds a bit like TRDS for a game? < 1302290023 615252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's figure out how this WORKS before trying to make a game engine that can do it :P < 1302290045 269608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hang on. < 1302290056 975188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you reorient your time direction to go backwards. < 1302290070 803397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302290081 211373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just limit it to horizontal. < 1302290106 45709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this concept is so done to death < 1302290110 153696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, RIGHT. < 1302290110 656337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302290116 793536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is basically the same problem with every other time travelling game. < 1302290123 785989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have backwards time things tend to get at _least_ PSPACE complete < 1302290125 977007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone (= an AI) goes back in time, you can't show that to someone who's already further on in time. < 1302290134 570522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to... shove them back in time somehow. < 1302290135 419794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wonderful < 1302290151 521509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some glimmerings of workability. < 1302290159 287797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not for implementing it... < 1302290162 453144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT WHY DO THESE THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN THE DAY BEFORE I GO ON HOLIDAY < 1302290169 164023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THINK ABOUT IT IN VENICE < 1302290190 98054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU WON'T CARE WHEN I COME BACK. < 1302290190 259479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, duh, do you think I was serious? < 1302290218 842010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: omg it is _happening_... < 1302290224 232656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, if something goes back in time, shouldn't you have showed it the first time? Or it won't be logically consistent < 1302290227 219079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1302290230 912345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1302290247 103147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps I take myself a bit too seriously! < 1302290255 78873 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, duh, do you think I was serious? < 1302290259 899474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY < 1302290273 892151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EQUIVALENT < 1302290280 866803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, totally. < 1302290282 918853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK SO < 1302290283 882247 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you go back in time, you will just be repeating what you already saw yourself do < 1302290290 759766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE A FINITE VIEWSCREEN < 1302290294 230638 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual < 1302290295 844673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x10 metres. < 1302290303 512530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait a second... How much of the time the past few years have you *not* realised when I joked? < 1302290305 409766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU ONLY NEED TO KNOW 10 SECONDS INTO THE FUTURE < 1302290314 419883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER < 1302290317 296196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the past, but that's not really all that important.) < 1302290319 311239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everyone knows you never joke, sheesh < 1302290320 14419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just talk about this in terms of blocks? < 1302290320 995882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not metres? < 1302290323 132975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x10 blocks. < 1302290327 955857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One block is one second let's say for now. < 1302290332 859903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1302290335 286003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each game is 10 seconds? < 1302290337 706564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: if you go back in time, you will just be repeating what you already saw yourself do <-- I meant if an enemy goes back in time, then the player should have seen that when he arrived at that time originally < 1302290339 985533 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302290347 983820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would require real world time travel < 1302290349 621627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1302290365 498411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1302290367 629372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, lets just use IOT to implement this < 1302290374 828905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, you should be able to run at one block per second :P < 1302290376 362179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYMMETRY < 1302290377 464996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see what you'll do in the future, so... < 1302290380 383748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1302290386 332284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This requires precognition. < 1302290392 643566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or boring getout clauses. < 1302290397 33373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DO NOT LISTEN TO PH < 1302290399 177301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHOTON TRACER < 1302290400 175023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHOTON TRACER < 1302290400 325545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHOTON TRACER < 1302290412 88549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or making the player act in a sort of meta-time < 1302290421 370133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOT (ContT []) < 1302290423 883915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you still need precognition. < 1302290428 198662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT < 1302290429 957415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUCK < 1302290430 284282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UP < 1302290447 32803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, meta time for the player might work, no? < 1302290453 937663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, it might... < 1302290458 863761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAIN HURTING AGAIN. < 1302290467 812164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.34 MiB/s. < 1302290472 242230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ONLY LASTED FOR A SECOND < 1302290474 592733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT SECOND WAS GLORIOUS < 1302290474 754346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, of course, you could argue that as well would be a getout clause. < 1302290487 53087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.77 :| < 1302290496 564361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'm in sweden-- < 1302290513 235915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if that is download... common residential connections tend to burst a bit at the start sometimes < 1302290514 905865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So btw, if you ever do something like http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, I'll rip your soul out < 1302290523 81093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every pre-2011 clog link is now broken. < 1302290529 192880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only accessible through a zip file linked to in the header. < 1302290559 58295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1302290561 40438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, rsync reported it transferred a tiny file at 105 MByte/s, which is impossible since it was sent over 100 Mbit ethernet. < 1302290582 370631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably due to NIC buffering < 1302290584 663363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1302290593 935149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1302290598 47155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brain hurting again. < 1302290617 825036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A 3D drawing board would really be nice now.) < 1302290650 919387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sounds like you need the Glove Box. < 1302290655 771872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, might be a bit hard to reach around in it < 1302290660 632577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is that < 1302290717 715171 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302290725 321057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302290759 673958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, precognition is necessary. < 1302290767 524547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLESS—erm, no. < 1302290768 272380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SHADDAP < 1302290772 642083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow, you have an identd! < 1302290789 231823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1302290802 843190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan@ < 1302290804 533814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ~oerjan < 1302290805 680807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FANSCHY < 1302290831 71159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1302290873 518902 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it's all database-oriented, then that makes no sense anyway. < 1302290882 374490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tyrell _is_ a multiuser machine. < 1302290889 883432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ??? < 1302290894 623393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, right. < 1302290898 837414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But the URLs still matter :P < 1302290903 602199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an interface. < 1302290905 497209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fair 'nuff. < 1302290937 513217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I wonder if it's because clog is early-2000s technology and is running on a machine with a 1 gig disk :P < 1302290947 522817 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1302290950 505519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the logs together are, like, 400 megs! < 1302290955 596325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figure #haskell is pretty high-traffic) < 1302290974 938205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on. Even my first model ibook (early-2000s) had a whopping 3.2 GB HDD < 1302290985 821158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw I'm still doing ch2 stuff, just been "busy" past few days :P < 1302291002 453225 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perfectly understandable, my typical impatience is tempered by my own deadlines. < 1302291004 313439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44:33: OK GUYS I HAVE COME UP WITH MY PRETENTIOUS LATIN MOTTO < 1302291007 729354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is latin? < 1302291010 280231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44:47: CIRCVMDOR IDIOTAM < 1302291020 33731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302291025 110822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, anyway. < 1302291031 405973 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean "I'm an idiot"? < 1302291036 454682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait DOR is passive of DO < 1302291081 174402 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : STULTUS EGO < 1302291152 957723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am given around, an idiot"? < 1302291224 534516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, I mustn't have been thorough enough in checking which of the 15 or so words I found was equivalent to "surround". < 1302291255 551708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, circumvenio. < 1302291258 441224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm looking up circumdo now < 1302291270 544293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit I also forgot to pluralise "idiot". < 1302291274 503730 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302291290 899390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302291291 58787 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stultus ego ergo amo. <-- I am now officially a dramatic poet. Moneys plz kthx. < 1302291297 355720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CIRCVMVENIOR IDIOTAS" < 1302291303 360383 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302291310 232653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i vaguely recall it should be IDIOTIS < 1302291321 361755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's amo < 1302291324 459924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's idiota, so I assumed it was first declension. < 1302291327 457478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ablative for the changed subject of a passive noun) < 1302291328 245109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "I love". < 1302291330 167404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rite < 1302291334 561737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "amo amas amat". < 1302291338 455389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot so i love people? < 1302291343 373560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or just, so i love < 1302291353 268484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it may well be but it's not supposed to be accusative < 1302291354 387963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ...it is? < 1302291356 355755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, OK. < 1302291364 724393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, it's been a long time < 1302291387 636433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note how it's not "I am surrounded idiots" in english either < 1302291399 102745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OK. < 1302291409 595748 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is if you just are surrounded idiots. < 1302291419 773595 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, an individual, am a group of idiots who are surrounded. < 1302291419 933816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SOMEWHAT UNLIKELY < 1302291422 69941 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302291441 721033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OK, "CIRCVUMVENIOR IDIOTIS" < 1302291453 395611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin grammar looks HIGHLY complicated < 1302291456 426442 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you need a crest < 1302291463 361138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not really. < 1302291489 171891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the discussion above reminds me of that scene in Life of Brian... < 1302291491 731436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the whole "word order doesn't indicate structure" thing... < 1302291519 498092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: circumdo apparently also can mean surround < 1302291532 13506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, which sounds better. < 1302291591 453432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiotis is a bad word < 1302291758 263526 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google sez: "KNOW-NOTHING CIRCVUMVENIOR" < 1302291778 144712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302291788 439478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:33, 8 April 2011 Wizard191 (talk | contribs) marked Flash butt welding patrolled (automatic) ‎ < 1302291790 139487 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeze Phantom_Hoover, you're such a know-nothing circumvenior. < 1302291901 372181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you need to find out what would be the idiomatic way to say it < 1302292025 995848 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idiotomatic < 1302292026 154979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to get Google to translate to Latin correctly
< 1302292070 246776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are 1 and 2? < 1302292097 448361 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know what they are X-P < 1302292105 920480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose. < 1302292124 218589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I came_1 is "veni" as usual, i guess. < 1302292134 18925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw is "vidi" < 1302292141 956902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but all the things I can think of for _2 are passed through untranslated :P < 1302292154 589439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, WordNet lacks the verb form of _2 but has the relevantnoun. < 1302292156 399034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relevant noun. < 1302292172 65212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's just stated so euphemistically that I can't find it when scanning. < 1302292182 387007 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It passes through "orgasm" as something that translates back as something like "had joy" :( < 1302292185 321060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the noun definition uses "spermatozoa", so I don't expect so. < 1302292190 54710 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@213.114.169.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302292222 90470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the past tense of iaculemur? < 1302292226 891622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be the noun ejaculate, I suppose < 1302292230 663569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noun "ejaculate" < 1302292258 525259 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google suggests that it's literally "throw" < 1302292263 285458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302292279 786682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iacio? < 1302292281 804746 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Romans, they did not speak of such things :P < 1302292286 153865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's just "throw". < 1302292286 809194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Figure it out or I'll have to trawl through and extensively quote dirty Latin poetry. < 1302292296 396594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HA! < 1302292314 478069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. < 1302292320 715048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[etc.] < 1302292341 437301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that poem does not mention orgasming at all. < 1302292355 902156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is iaculemur actually a word? < 1302292370 682037 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stuff your gobs"...? < 1302292384 825323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I will sodomize you and face-fuck you" < 1302292395 481300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catullus_16 < 1302292406 186591 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google sez "I'll bugger you and stuff your gobs", which is right up 'til that 'and' :P < 1302292411 883674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Best translation ever. < 1302292443 400037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eiaculo is italian, but i'm not sure if it is latin... < 1302292456 450606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This remarkable poem contains a cogent piece of literary criticism, bracketed between a shocking first and last line which you can translate for youself. (It's not that I shrink from obscenity, but you will have to substitute some substitute phrases in English to get the meaning right.) " < 1302292457 592660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuure < 1302292459 320642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*)" < 1302292478 359221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in boys, but in those hairy < 1302292478 524754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys who have difficulty moving their limbs. < 1302292478 684340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Google < 1302292487 541863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"difficulty moving my limb": best euphemism ever < 1302292493 4517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, yeah, Catullus. < 1302292499 516828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e16.htm < 1302292500 638146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't say in boys but in those hairy < 1302292500 806096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victims of lumbar sclerosis." < 1302292505 223614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST TRANSLATION OF THAT LINE EVER < 1302292522 555224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of his mopier poems are in the Standard Grade Latin exam. < 1302292535 324593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know how dwarf fortress does detailed combat reports? I found (I finally think I figured out the utterly complex military system) that it does the same for training (in case of sparring). < 1302292559 110913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1302292561 297630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While googling for it < 1302292566 935699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this! http://is-is.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2334197912&topic=3371 < 1302292567 676045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo" is now my favourite Latin phrase. < 1302292569 324358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE TRANSLATE IT TO LATIN < 1302292570 470659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1302292573 616687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is it your new motto? < 1302292583 587520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302292584 416219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOOVER HEAVY INDUSTRIES - "PEDICABO" EGO VOS ET IRRUMABO < 1302292587 278200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*move that quote < 1302292594 657728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found this! http://is-is.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2334197912&topic=3371 < 1302292598 654550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET TRANSLATING THE WORST THING EVER PEOPLE < 1302292604 337252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also enjoy the Icelandic interface < 1302292609 336621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why Google found it with the Icelandic interface < 1302292612 789488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS < 1302292623 946372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Latin is an exact language for obscene acts," < 1302292626 31388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302292646 227146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRSLY THOUGH < 1302292656 843240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone translate came(v.) to Latin. < 1302292659 351188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Axe Lord hacks The militia captain in the left hand with her ≡steel battle axe≡, lightly tapping the target!" <-- this sounds a bit... strange. < 1302292697 880968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come on, why don't they use the training weapons which made..., yes df has separate training weapons) < 1302292707 20080 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302292768 267760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone translate came(v.) to Latin. <-- wiktionary claims a translation of cum -> eiaculare, but the latter has no latin in its page < 1302292785 447747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1302292787 225712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Latin. < 1302292791 139472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clintonize" < 1302292794 125729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302292796 448467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :##latin < 1302292799 89835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S DO THIS < 1302292799 416635 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pedicabo Latin < 1302292813 688430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we could just assume it works as an ordinary -a verb, in which case it's eiaculavi < 1302292818 482673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait < 1302292820 450545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write the message < 1302292829 480059 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afeared :P < 1302292834 34770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the Latin for came (past tense of verb, i.e. to ejaculate)?" < 1302292837 569169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES THAT LOOK GOOD < 1302292854 447535 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rephrase it to put the proper form first :P < 1302292862 228646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You do it :P < 1302292865 279184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO U < 1302292870 780685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, hang on, I'm trying to pluralise pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. < 1302292871 769604 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing awesome games in my head! < 1302292874 217193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I WANT to shock them half-way through! < 1302292880 506577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL HERE GOES < 1302292898 673368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is already plural < 1302292903 399978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The very best entry in the REORIENT series will be the one where we take it to 4D. < 1302292905 846237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, 4D + time. < 1302292913 672389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ANY rotation. < 1302292915 641258 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1302292925 719681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STOP RUINING IT < 1302292934 109909 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: First goal: 2D+T, only X and T are reorientable, and only at 90� < 1302292946 936902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, first goal: 3D+T, photon tracer :P < 1302292948 986156 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134171.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302292950 990015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Animation < 1302292960 582102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of us understand this nearly enough to design a game yet X-D < 1302292961 73412 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's, I think, even more of a PITA >_> < 1302292962 596626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my best guess so far is "eiaculavi", anyhow < 1302292966 379495 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Err, that's true. < 1302292969 67877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but it will be useful throughout :P < 1302292992 216439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: First goal: 2D+T, only X and T are reorientable, and only at 90° < 1302292993 55290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302293003 49060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only to 90°. < 1302293005 139970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed no, photon tracer :P < 1302293006 931300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a difference. < 1302293012 300921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is a difference. < 1302293018 914209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sckn444p < 1302293043 759253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also that's using the same tense as veni and vidi from the other famous quotation, latin has a bit of a different division between the past tenses < 1302293051 945632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is sex in Latin? We could check on Vicipædia. < 1302293059 836671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god "vici"pædia < 1302293061 811256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst pun ever < 1302293064 174405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's actually perfect tense < 1302293072 196449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually pronounced "Wikipedia" X-D < 1302293089 93123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So "Veni, vidi, eiaculavi"? < 1302293115 109991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think eiaculavi is the first one < 1302293134 840322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Really, Catullus 16 is not very obscene :P < 1302293139 240912 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1302293163 151419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, except the first and last lines. < 1302293167 817518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mild :P < 1302293170 897947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my guitar strings broke :( < 1302293183 306671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh noes, you're going to have sex with me unconsensually!!!!!" < 1302293194 286419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not even any disembowelment. < 1302293202 70423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the ancient latin equivalent of "fuck you assholes" < 1302293204 509147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft. < 1302293208 161896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: again, mild < 1302293216 627311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, do you mean 'venio 4' ? < 1302293219 326416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1302293220 5155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was trying to agree with you here < 1302293221 842795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just "I came" < 1302293225 533229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1302293227 205732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302293228 352779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"came" < 1302293231 36252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the very mundane sense < 1302293235 30151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :venio is "i come" < 1302293238 784159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, possible that Latin had the double meaning as well. < 1302293251 408639 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1302293255 532736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: darn how boring :D < 1302293257 912557 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK that's a recent phenomenon. < 1302293266 293470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :venio (4) presumably meaning the 4th definition. < 1302293275 861175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking the question anyway, to serve as a... discrete... way of mentioning that I meant the other kind. :P < 1302293280 698982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... wait, that could just be the conjugation. < 1302293282 9194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow this is awkward 8-D < 1302293286 113942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8D < 1302293289 62564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D looks weird. < 1302293294 94313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Bank_of_Canada&diff=prev&oldid=423066518 < 1302293302 338817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bAndie9100: ah, does Latin have the same double-meaning? < 1302293302 488920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : double meaning? what do you count? < 1302293304 29134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah venio is 4th conjugation < 1302293305 607502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uhh write my response for me < 1302293316 218856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be it, then. < 1302293326 376279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DID include "to ejaculate" in my original message :P < 1302293350 318884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU'RE SO EMBARRASSING < 1302293356 137570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find some way to pretend we didn't come from the same place. < 1302293367 392576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mommy, PH is being awfully direct to strangers. < 1302293378 641367 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EJACULATE, ORGASM, CUM! Pedicabo ergo SOMETHING!" < 1302293387 420257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...<3 < 1302293394 874252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEDICABO ERGO SOMETHING < 1302293396 674987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new motto. < 1302293410 900156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU SHUT THE POOR INNOCENT UP < 1302293420 491152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE'S GOING TO KILL US FOR SHITTING ON HIS BEAUTIFUL LANGUAGE < 1302293440 659454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tell him catullus already did that < 1302293453 301421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like going into #mozart < 1302293454 468113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saying < 1302293455 458302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1302293460 383923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a performance of Leck mich im Arsch < 1302293466 564687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302293506 307930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you join, #esotericers will have a critical mass in ##latin, and I won't be so scared! < 1302293513 10364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll have you know I'm an OPERATOR in #esoteric!" < 1302293517 812647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO ME LIKE THAT' < 1302293519 761313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1302293523 446822 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302293545 262404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then _i_ would feel embarassed < 1302293555 334864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302293559 360756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia just gave me THE BEST BAND NAME: The Angry Young Popes < 1302293563 854431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Example: < 1302293564 155364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep The Angry Young Popes are the best rock band in the world right now. – Superbestfan 02:02, 2 February 2002 (UTC)" < 1302293577 102854 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's _that_ in latin < 1302293577 464747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just join and talk about something that _isn't_ coming < 1302293593 531952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puer iratus popes" < 1302293594 276856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't know enough latin to converse on that channel... < 1302293597 505850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "popes" wrong :P < 1302293599 381911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uhhh < 1302293604 946813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You don't have to talk IN Latin X-D < 1302293612 616033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you do! < 1302293613 297279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm iratus sounds right < 1302293628 132128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: join and ask what "Angry young popes" is in Latin < 1302293630 476704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAWLESS < 1302293640 97680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get an answer, you save embarrassment! < 1302293648 618846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21, 8 April 2011 Alexf (talk | contribs) blocked Poopfriedrice (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ ({{uw-uhblock}}) < 1302293658 241717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irati juvenes papae maybe... < 1302293717 106887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i should use feminine suffixes because papa is -a stem or not because it's definitely a masculine referent but i lean toward the latter < 1302293781 212217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wiktionary says masculine < 1302293832 644387 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a #mozart? disturbing < 1302293840 147445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irati iuvenes papae, then. < 1302293854 260946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no < 1302293873 59172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302293906 727155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302293931 41578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(puer means boy, not young) < 1302293990 241799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :An unusually not mephitic forum that catches sufficiently "Hello world. Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity." | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Some logs also available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1302294072 132134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEPHITICI NON SVMVS < 1302294080 205617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg yes translate our four mottos into latin < 1302294084 216557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch sufficiently hello world. < 1302294087 284583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unusually not mephitic forum. < 1302294090 712736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1302294091 699787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ latin nao < 1302294108 409089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARPE SUFFICIENTER AVE MUNDUS < 1302294110 342215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"capite satis salve mundi'? < 1302294112 537218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mundi" < 1302294115 420725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, thanks < 1302294119 71019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302294120 865203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :satis is nicer, is that not valid there? < 1302294121 483451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUNDE < 1302294130 925142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should be vocative) < 1302294140 936951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1302294143 25964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Non solita mephitic forum." ;; well, someone has to translate mephitic :-D < 1302294155 832173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "miasmic" would be the best path < 1302294164 320729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Non noxia solita forum."? < 1302294179 487510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Libenter clausum in soliditatem matrix" ;; this is probably so wrong < 1302294202 977064 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@213.114.169.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302294204 203295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like satis could work < 1302294208 96112 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294220 678979 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302294221 42924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1302294222 899931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WELL START TRANSLATING THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY LINE THEN ;D < 1302294229 952404 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302294237 124435 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294240 942864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah munde says wiktionary < 1302294249 885277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1302294262 978832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said i was good at latin vocabulary did i... < 1302294282 598825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU HELP TOO < 1302294320 71280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mephitic is already greco-latin, is it not? < 1302294334 114491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1302294342 424620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mephitic or mephitical [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]. —adj. 1. poisonous; foul. 2. foul-smelling; putrid. [C17: from Late Latin mephīticus ... < 1302294351 458512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the adjective form of mephiticus < 1302294361 4701 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're a language. http://code.google.com/p/vorpalcode/ < 1302294361 154941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an adjective < 1302294387 470190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to use with forum you should probably have -um < 1302294392 154611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/20/xbox-live-indie-gems-vorpal/ also a bullet hell game < 1302294394 901534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx google < 1302294445 685830 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your reference implementation is coded in C++ < 1302294452 977493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VORPAL < 1302294463 748101 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294481 235282 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal & Wabe < 1302294481 425543 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright 2008 - University of Canterbury < 1302294481 920939 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all rights reserved - do not distribute < 1302294488 561192 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... alright ... < 1302294493 379973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvid Norlander likes to show people his "Vorpal blade" if you catch my drift < 1302294494 674289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forum insolite non mephiticum < 1302294506 467245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vorpal.livejournal.com/878513.html ;; picture of vorpal < 1302294529 536077 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302294551 352883 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294554 149418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vorpal.livejournal.com/profile < 1302294561 190628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gay. I love looking at guys, but I'm not obsessed with that fact (it's just one aspect of my personality) and while a lot of my friends are gay, I'm not really part of the "gay community". < 1302294561 341216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1302294561 778727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love to flirt with cute boys. It's fun! < 1302294561 997883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been married to my hubby bonoboboy (Jeff) since May 2004, and no, it's not for the gay health insurance :D. < 1302294564 201146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302294565 181906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it said < 1302294566 984658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not gay" < 1302294571 19072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was gonna go on about how Vorpal was in denial and all < 1302294586 91252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be illegal to write things that my brain could insert the word "not" in < 1302294597 319670 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no denial there :P < 1302294610 713234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought it said "I'm *not* gay" :P < 1302294629 96897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302294635 30103 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please start being fascinated by the Vorpal language < 1302294645 958176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Vorpal language? < 1302294662 531594 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not gay, but I love staring at guys. I'm not gay, but I love flirting with cute boys ... for fun! I'm not gay, but I've been married to Jeff for seven years (for the insurance)." < 1302294664 901342 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://code.google.com/p/vorpalcode/ < 1302294676 819714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sgeo started liking falcon a while back < 1302294678 621675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention? < 1302294689 9599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I'm not gay, but I'm a Republican!" < 1302294718 388035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's fully possible for a guy to like guys and not be gay! < 1302294723 355259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i remember < 1302294729 257935 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so falcon is a guy < 1302294739 306267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i don't recall telling you < 1302294740 602343 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maude is a girl. this is eminently logical < 1302294743 103725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you sensed it through the aether < 1302294750 458160 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i SEEM to remember < 1302294765 287464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall cpressey being here < 1302294766 447391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonoboboy _certainly_ doesn't sound gay either... < 1302294804 225460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at Vorpalcode
< 1302294825 52488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lists goals... but um...none of those tell me what the damn thing actually is < 1302294860 518972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can vaguely guess that it's for a language.. but have only a vague understanding of what that language is supposed to be like < 1302294868 205185 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, i built vorpal < 1302294869 641303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Event-driven OO < 1302294887 387901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh durh < 1302294896 252617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vorpal is a small scripting language written in C++" < 1302294902 949247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libenter is an adverb not a verb... < 1302294923 206030 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, i ran the "memoized fibonacci" example < 1302294951 184950 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it feels like they're trying to do "Lua, but in C++" < 1302294958 495201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why? < 1302294963 538468 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. < 1302294982 958348 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BECAUSE WORLD NEEDS MORE LANGUAGES < 1302294984 715650 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ENORMOUSLY simplifies the problem. < 1302294993 790052 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1302295033 118174 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do u open a pdf in leegnux < 1302295045 809213 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdg-open < 1302295054 111730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Gregor> Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. < 1302295057 222216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :354) <Gregor> Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. < 1302295063 388407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that stripped out the control chars. < 1302295066 863179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope < 1302295071 362217 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thx < 1302295071 873932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1302295073 359532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it yourself < 1302295091 832130 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Nobody seems to know about xdg-open for some reason :( < 1302295099 983373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it gnome-open < 1302295103 642348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as good as os x open though < 1302295109 375165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arvid Norlander likes to show people his "Vorpal blade" if you catch my drift <-- XD < 1302295116 908072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal reminds me more of plof < 1302295117 611709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1302295122 718935 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 4 words in manual: "Vorpal is a embeddable < 1302295134 241934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.f('test', 3).print() < 1302295134 392268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o['f']('test', 3).print() < 1302295135 62457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or js < 1302295136 979384 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ENGLISH FAIL < 1302295144 751237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to aembed something
< 1302295155 91440 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: from the UNIVERSITY OF CANTERBURY < 1302295170 679540 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Canterbury, Saudi Arabia < 1302295179 609373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, does that mean like lua? Or like bare bone C code? Very different meaning of embed there < 1302295195 310495 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no operator precedence < 1302295206 58522 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i keep dropping my closequotes < 1302295216 726770 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like lua < 1302295245 531255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also like lua in that their interpreter is small (ca. 3KLoc)... but it's in C++ < 1302295258 585564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "no operator precedence" works well in prefix/postfix (of course), but would be a PITA in infix < 1302295266 664139 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: totally agreeds < 1302295288 855277 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk has no operator precedence. < 1302295290 366954 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take away my operator precedence, just give me RPN or S-expression instead < 1302295292 678711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, err "agreeds"? < 1302295296 73483 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1302295296 223733 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Haskell has no operator precedence. < 1302295297 464272 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*agreed < 1302295303 422209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wrong < 1302295308 210436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a full precedence system < 1302295311 914282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both associativities < 1302295321 995156 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can CUSTOMIZE it < 1302295323 518462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pretty sure you don't need to write (5 * 4) + 2 in haskell... < 1302295344 269752 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... can you change the precedence of built-in operators in haskell? < 1302295354 186536 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you can define it for ones you define < 1302295362 73660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, "sort of." < 1302295379 5461 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was I thinking about, not Haskell ... < 1302295388 13373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1302295401 218128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to confuse those < 1302295403 701466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: indeed < 1302295411 292522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in J, everything is right-associative :D < 1302295435 80691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you wrote 2+5*4 in smalltalk then? < 1302295450 411067 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with Haskell I was thinking about "custom" operators maybe? Can't you name functions starting with symbols, then you don't need backticks to make them act as operators? < 1302295455 553206 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely those are all the same precedence? < 1302295457 69612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in j, you write it as 2+5*4 < 1302295483 107908 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you can define the precedence of those when you define them < 1302295485 315096 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1302295489 759712 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... whoaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1302295493 457869 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mind blown* < 1302295499 8996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is so surprising about that? < 1302295501 2415 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remember "infixr" being a keyword < 1302295512 950049 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nothing, in fact Plof can do that too, but still, *mind blown* :P < 1302295523 974332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why < 1302295541 543914 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of Vorpal's design goals boil down to "it's written in C++" < 1302295555 174479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ouch. Well I have nothing to do with that language. < 1302295557 900653 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinguishing-language-from-implementation fail < 1302295565 541405 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it blows my mind that that blows your mind < 1302295586 213164 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is pure. Defining precedence order in a pure language without order of code loading mattering sounds like a complicated business, unless precedence is just some arbitrary integer. < 1302295601 586210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302295604 768094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it's an arbitrary integer, then that means there's an implicit dependent type system that affects the semantic behavior of the code. < 1302295618 66218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sound at all complicated < 1302295631 177252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're just very simple < 1302295667 836261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Haskell is pure. Defining precedence order in a pure language without order of code loading mattering sounds like a complicated business, unless precedence is just some arbitrary integer. < 1302295672 335291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an arbitrary integer. < 1302295673 664551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean arbitrary integer, like calculated at runtime? :D < 1302295678 470384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your line about "dependent type system" is incoherent. < 1302295684 440409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixl 8 + < 1302295688 877806 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guess what language does that stuff all the time: J < 1302295691 364098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- declares (+) to be left-associative, precedence 8 < 1302295706 704552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think with Haskell I was thinking about "custom" operators maybe? Can't you name functions starting with symbols, then you don't need backticks to make them act as operators? < 1302295706 868766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Surely those are all the same precedence? < 1302295708 603364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait a second, don't you need () around that + ? < 1302295713 843615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all operators are that in Haskell, nothing "custom" about them < 1302295719 554020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixr 3 +-// < 1302295723 710949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+-//) :: A -> B -> C < 1302295726 394207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a +-// b = ... < 1302295737 949912 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: infixl is a declaration, right, not an expression? < 1302295741 595092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302295745 511394 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hence "declares" X-D < 1302295750 627093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like module declarations, class declarations, instance declarations, type signatures, ... < 1302295753 175740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, be careful, so you don't blow Gregor's mind so far he can't find it again < 1302295756 460357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the integer has to be a literal, obviously :P < 1302295763 107452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 0-9 or something. < 1302295773 841518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's a pretty small range < 1302295776 387005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that $ can be the top. < 1302295819 619729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you find it... simple again? :P < 1302295823 318183 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not... oh < 1302295831 548605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Remember that all imports are processed first thing. < 1302295837 382716 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbledgegarbledegabblegoo < 1302295844 283863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what < 1302295845 595693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whenever it's looking at code, Haskell knows all the signatures, fixities, classes, etc. in the current scope. < 1302295863 600596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it processes the fixities before it looks at function bodies, IIRC. < 1302295888 34927 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vorpal (the language) uses some ideas I had, but not exactly < 1302295907 896076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch as i drive cpressey away < 1302295909 841448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey < 1302295910 373749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apex < 1302295913 701740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh? I thought the only idea it had was being written in C++? < 1302295918 186133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1302295918 678351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cpressey has quit < 1302295934 984629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cpressey once had the idea of writing something in C++ < 1302295937 192295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not exactly < 1302295941 316329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302295951 578929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought it was "BGP" that drove him away < 1302295969 226795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is "apex"? < 1302295983 753284 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, so now the way that other code PARSES depends on a declaration. < 1302296005 278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, googling for it, it is everything from car rental in NZ to a night club in Washington... < 1302296009 274860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not really; it parses it into what's basically ([(Expr,Op)],Expr), IIRC < 1302296013 788605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then sorts that out later. < 1302296021 255922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really that complicated *shrug* < 1302296023 781954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the benefits are obvious. < 1302296024 47605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how is that problematic? < 1302296030 789147 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not problematic, it's /surprising/. < 1302296050 243094 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the only design goals they state have to do with C++. for the design of the actual language, they chose things, without regard to any goal, I guess < 1302296051 975073 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, cise had a much more complicated parsing and it's even purer than haskell < 1302296058 563003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : er... can you change the precedence of built-in operators in haskell? <-- you can introduce a new operator with the same name and any precedence you want, as long as you hide the original one when importing. < 1302296059 399360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Moar Haskell impurity: With Template Haskell, the syntactical structure of some code can depend on IO at compile time!!! 0mg!!! < 1302296065 913433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, okay, what sort of idea? < 1302296066 669713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it doesn't exist. < 1302296068 907824 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing is the "semi-implicit self" -- you say .foo to refer to a foo on self < 1302296080 815775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, can you replace (+) then? < 1302296084 831103 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i discarded that after thinking about it for a while anyway :) < 1302296095 944019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in cise? < 1302296105 649798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: aaaapeeeeeex < 1302296108 293056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in haskell? < 1302296110 59777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on get driven away geez < 1302296113 28706 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's not even semi-implicit, that's just having the null string as a contextual replacement for "this" :P < 1302296114 22313 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not *that* bad an idea, if you don't like to declare locals < 1302296114 172778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what the heck is "apex"? < 1302296155 479836 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: true. Can I say "unobtrusive"? it's about the shortest explicit self you could have :) < 1302296173 415729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, there is a way to do shorter < 1302296176 787906 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a convention like, lowercase -> local, uppercase -> member on self < 1302296191 402879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches dance-sorts
< 1302296210 909913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, either what you just said, or having to do global:foo and local:foo and just foo for self < 1302296213 527991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe a convention like, lowercase -> local, uppercase -> member on self < 1302296214 187261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1302296215 330572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Ruby < 1302296216 327487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be silly < 1302296222 505986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@foo == omg instance variable < 1302296222 669904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: do faq ft todo yow < 1302296223 424657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST < 1302296224 85651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAYING < 1302296236 297093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :., @, mere bits off :) < 1302296251 583934 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but can you also say self@foo ? < 1302296262 542259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: all instance variables are private < 1302296275 834399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no < 1302296287 806689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it could have syntax to do that, but it'd always have "self" in front, so what's the point) < 1302296302 104117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems a bit different < 1302296320 114675 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.foo == self['foo'] < 1302296322 834983 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Vorpal < 1302296326 154671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :) I mean, who would write "self.foo" if you have ".foo"? < 1302296329 514420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody < 1302296344 244796 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would write "let in 3" in haskell? < 1302296352 991016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1302296361 20268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, gah these highlights are getting annoying XD < 1302296364 49136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1302296364 891381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPRESSEY < 1302296365 381167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APEX < 1302296368 145258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Haskell is pure. Defining precedence order in a pure language without order of code loading mattering sounds like a complicated business [...] <-- you're actually correct, the haskell 98 standard defined things with precedence intertwined with parsing and this has unforeseen interactions (e.g. with indentation sensitivity) so that no compiler actually implements it properly. the latest revision has removed this wart by making precedence a stri < 1302296374 734222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, almost as bad as in #nethack (the Vorpal Sword) < 1302296377 702616 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you keep saying that word. < 1302296379 441608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1302296381 804379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: -ing? < 1302296384 406122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey I meant < 1302296391 964955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IS APEX? < 1302296398 267851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wow, you've managed to blank your mind already < 1302296401 85451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IS APEX? < 1302296401 235891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPRESSIVE , SIR ! < 1302296412 594217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302296432 936297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that got cut off < 1302296439 433826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "by making precedence a stri" < 1302296489 424540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ape -x < 1302296496 548018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IS APEX? < 1302296598 928203 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will call the language "Vor'pal" hereinafter for your benefit. btw, I have to admire its design a little bit -- it's regular, if nothing else. But I'd have to reimplement it in a language that isn't crap before I'd feel alright playing with it. < 1302296603 850169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who would write "let in 3" in haskell? <-- i suppose they allowed empty let blocks for easier automatic code generation or something < 1302296611 791655 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C, or Haskell, or Scheme < 1302296622 223987 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's orthogonal! < 1302296626 987912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1302296643 85184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cutoff, [...] post-rest-of-parsing issue. < 1302296655 563580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: reimplement it in Vorpal! < 1302296656 980514 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does some bot here speak scheme? < 1302296662 406677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "precedence a str" < 1302296664 446265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think some languages uses ' to mark a click sound. Please pronounce it that way if possible. < 1302296666 758702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: me < 1302296675 229281 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302296703 448869 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install mit-scheme ::: After this operation, 19.8MB of additional disk space will be used. < 1302296706 399896 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, MIT. < 1302296720 301569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: try sisc < 1302296721 184796 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I have racket installed < 1302296724 465051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, the latest revision just settles on what the compilers already do) < 1302296725 127454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1302296730 281822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you said *scheme* :) < 1302296746 580928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you managed to get confused over WHERE the cut off was < 1302296747 112633 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Racket v5.0.1. < 1302296747 390822 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (let* () 5) < 1302296747 541277 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1302296747 727857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: scheme48 is also good < 1302296748 545988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `*' < 1302296754 668978 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^^^ that's why. < 1302296755 837075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dude, that starts in racket mode < 1302296755 987878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it was at "precedence a str" as elliott said < 1302296757 928722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I said < 1302296761 266694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing to do with scheme < 1302296771 658936 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, so you think scheme will error on that? < 1302296784 329468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, "by making precedence a stri" <-- bah elliott made me think it cut off somewhere else... "making precedence a strictly post-rest-of-parsing issue." < 1302296787 885133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Racket errors out on set-car!; I would not be surprised. < 1302296822 224779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1302296835 276995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you need a better client. One which splits lines < 1302296846 564254 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 ]=> (let* () 5) < 1302296846 714817 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;Value: 5 < 1302296848 521454 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy? < 1302296853 458590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :library syntax: (let ) < 1302296853 609118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax: should have the form < 1302296853 609285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(( ) ...), < 1302296853 609390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each is an expression, and should be a sequence of one or more expressions. It is an error for a to appear more than once in the list of variables being bound. < 1302296860 219762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's ambiguous < 1302296864 877322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to look up the definition of ... < 1302296874 71354 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You there? < 1302296914 646114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: O_O < 1302296918 609337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lurker. < 1302296998 350190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: one more thing, functions put in backticks can also have their precedence declared, the canonical examples being `div` and `mod` (same fixity as /) < 1302297042 579807 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302297059 71611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait they can? < 1302297059 607633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302297061 657985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that < 1302297063 625884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perverse < 1302297064 964477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302297079 638345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't know that? why would you ever assume anything else? < 1302297095 727870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw did you know in df, you can make dwarfs engrave walls and floors to increase the value of a room? It generates a procedural description of the engraving based on the world history. Masterful engravings will be entered in history. Sometimes you can get thing like an engraving depicting another engraving, depicting a third engraving XD < 1302297119 634043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because `` feels like a magical operator-making thing < 1302297122 814707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302297123 484524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making < 1302297126 290484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not looking at existing < 1302297126 910340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgfj < 1302297141 257842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it has a magical feel to it < 1302297158 323559 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is magical to you people < 1302297213 265110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+) = 3; f = (Prelude.+) in (+) `f` (+) < 1302297214 378218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1302297244 442255 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're almost completely interchangabel < 1302297248 305869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*le < 1302297316 651732 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have another pixley-like language which is different < 1302297323 720650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be awesome is < 1302297325 135857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = b < 1302297329 127838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a inherited bs fixities and things < 1302297338 287946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i was trying to beat pixley's size < 1302297338 940996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was hard < 1302297348 619292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, smallest self-interp subset of shceme < 1302297349 52901 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be, yes < 1302297349 857827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme < 1302297371 287268 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason it defines cadr, for example :) < 1302297387 488980 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think, oh, you can just do that with car and cdr < 1302297409 718699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you see how many times the self-interpreter uses cadr... < 1302297427 284864 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think there's a competition < 1302297429 187307 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there is < 1302297454 942654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t first < 1302297456 179945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c d. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d) < 1302297465 136562 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my new language isn't a scheme subset, its forms are just kind of similar to pixley's < 1302297470 471192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1302297518 836305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well *I* was competing :) < 1302297625 680021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cadr is something of a symptom of not having short pattern matching like haskell < 1302297677 798083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, sorta. < 1302297686 944210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mailed you already < 1302297693 889716 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, I read "I was trying to beat pixley's size" as "I was trying to beat pixley's wife" < 1302297694 775760 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to respond here. < 1302297710 108383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: oh god do you guys read this thing all the time < 1302297717 600460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the enigma speaks! < 1302297723 988422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: fizzie: You guys are talking about that COMPETITION < 1302297744 442050 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, usually only when I notice that I've been mentioned recently. < 1302297746 431562 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I guess I can swipe it in, the tournament's going to take ages(tm) anyway since I'm running them on kosh. < 1302297759 986835 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Cheers < 1302297776 588978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still recommend Triton ;-) < 1302297781 694152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc dbc dbc < 1302297809 936240 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes, fine tradition of Pazuzu, Hastur, etc., uh huh < 1302297834 131145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard on the pronunciation though < 1302297888 774964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, well... you're not on the course channel, you haven't heard the latest kosh troubles. The silly thing has a nproc soft/hard limit of 128/256 (from /etc/security/limits.conf), and since that thing on Linux counts threads, and the OpenJDK VM has all kinds of silly internal garbage-collection threads 'n such, I can manage to run a total of two (2) simultaneous games at the moment. < 1302297918 691889 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I forgot I had chibi-scheme installed, too: < 1302297919 163141 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (let* () 5) < 1302297919 313706 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1302297920 268000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `*' < 1302297939 959726 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh right, I meant to join that around now. < 1302297956 922974 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you need to use OpenJDK? :-P < 1302297981 591800 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm hoping next week someone's going to relax those limits for me a bit. They already threw away the 20 GB address space hard-ulimit which caused plain "java" to not work (but which didn't affect me any, since java -Xmx256M runs with no problems with the 20G address space limit in place, and it's per-process, not per-user); then I guess they skipped out early for some Friday celebrations, so I haven't gotten any replies to my "excuse me but it's this < 1302297981 754220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other limit that's the problem" emails. < 1302298010 932687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's either that, Sun's runtime which is probably pretty much identical, or some sort of gcj-driven thing... anyway, I already announcered OpenJDK as the "official" platform a while ago. < 1302298045 265926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcj sounds like a good idea < 1302298055 113007 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There's an on-channel thing that announces when games start/end, incidentally. But you're probably going to have to wait a while until you see any announcements. :p < 1302298069 192456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH CHANNEL WHICH CHANNEL ZOMGGGG < 1302298077 407104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, that was kind of why I was intending to join < 1302298084 588542 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics for the win and all that. < 1302298092 843544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's on the course page in our courseware bortal site, you can find it there. < 1302298099 341280 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also in the ircnet side of the fence.) < 1302298101 504134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THAT AN INTRANET SITE < 1302298139 708514 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away some momentsies.) < 1302298176 902822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not appear to bea ble to log on to this IRC NET < 1302298181 802328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be able < 1302298182 441952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd. < 1302298270 736549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1302298274 53980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to find the channel. < 1302298277 134434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302298286 206135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ATTEMPT 1] < 1302298288 542242 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard Richard Stallman talk yesterday. I agree with him but he definitely comes off as an ideologue. I kept thinking he would be more persuasive if he were more nuanced. Dunno. < 1302298289 797865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's the channel called? < 1302298309 331790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc speaks! < 1302298310 866182 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask fizzie not me < 1302298312 176279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: rms' lack of nuance is the reason for both his fame and status as a laughing stock :P < 1302298328 913382 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I knew he came off as an ideologue from reading his numerous things online, I just didn't know if he'd be the same in person) < 1302298336 534888 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: yes) < 1302298367 792246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: IIRC he has like three speeches that he's given repeatedly for the past N years :P < 1302298456 860136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one of them called free the software < 1302298467 983008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i saw that on youtube < 1302298468 900235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE < 1302298473 305645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'LL BE FREE, HACKERS, YOU'LL BE FREEEEEE < 1302298490 113321 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU AGREE WITH THE IDEOLOGUE THEN YOU MUST AGREE WITH THE IDEOLOGUE < 1302298491 261542 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end he was talking about what the public schools need to do to respect the kids's freedom and teach them to value their own freedom and help them grow up to be good citizens. And I was wondering where he got the idea that the schools were vaguely interested in doing any of those things. < 1302298540 896798 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should read some John Gatto or something. < 1302298551 254056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, I heard he has been known to pick his toes during interviews. < 1302298579 266339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And eat the remains. < 1302298583 600468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is videographic evidence of this. < 1302298629 234296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i occasionally suck on my toes < 1302298643 548095 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyone want to guess what he thinks the schools should do?) < 1302298653 598810 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: kill the weak ones < 1302298679 312004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: put them through extreme mental and physical torture < 1302298687 199102 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I finally found Racket's R5RS intepreter: 'plt-r5rs' < 1302298694 391394 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :five seconds left. < 1302298696 101356 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does the usual < 1302298702 193598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: um < 1302298705 732304 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use free software and only free software. < 1302298705 882792 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: who, Gatto? < 1302298711 37829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302298711 919164 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302298712 186233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302298714 279382 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302298715 528821 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Stallman :PPP < 1302298729 639173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: maybe even FORCE them to use only free softwar? < 1302298731 842807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*software < 1302298734 20395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually grinning after a :D < 1302298734 866447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rare < 1302298742 185072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would teach them freedom whether they like it or not < 1302298745 979011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it warms my heart that there are people as pure and stupid as rms in the world :) < 1302298748 674508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol < 1302298750 172245 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: ... where (region) are you? < 1302298753 557543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP! IT'S FOR YOUR FREEDOM! < 1302298755 274745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do those little retards know anyway < 1302298759 108685 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portland Oregon USA. < 1302298762 62842 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNEW IT < 1302298765 951810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I don't *want* any freedom!" "YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE!" < 1302298766 118203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it too < 1302298776 365180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302298778 477484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i had no idea < 1302298783 62896 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Portland friend of mine told me that a friend of HIS had arranged for RMS to come to PSU :P < 1302298794 431939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO WE KNOW WHO TO BLAME < 1302298802 206854 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a friend of a friend of mine! < 1302298820 610724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So reduce the stack a bit, and: you. < 1302298823 688253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will lynch you. < 1302298969 215468 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a plt-r6rs too, but it... doesn't have... a REPL. < 1302298970 434729 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey@pressey:~/checkout$ plt-r6rs test.scm < 1302298970 595080 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.scm:1:0: top-level-program: expected an `import' declaration, found something else in: (display (let* () 5)) < 1302298979 35864 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1302298983 471473 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Scheme is dead now... < 1302299027 144024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302299085 752415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat? < 1302299096 589292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using r6rs < 1302299100 471145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r6rs specifically forbids REPLs, IIRC < 1302299121 458680 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just wanted to see if empty let bindings was kosher there. < 1302299129 799004 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it... specifically... < 1302299140 889699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1302299157 923238 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come again? < 1302299160 227212 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1302299248 519692 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy cow you're right < 1302299250 436602 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactions disabled: r6rs does not support a REPL (no #%top-interaction) < 1302299262 763786 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by my observation that Scheme is dead. < 1302299268 615674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the entire semantics are defined in terms of things that make no sense in the concept of repls, IIRC < 1302299271 715828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was lots of flaming about it < 1302299289 479951 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Now talking on #%top-interaction < 1302299295 212435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are r6rs repls, but they essentially define their own program semantics < 1302299321 421770 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway! Going to make maybe French toast. See you. < 1302299340 724380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :french toast is wonderful < 1302299340 874853 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1302299341 398963 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1302299344 913761 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy cya < 1302299353 843399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? dbc? < 1302299462 479034 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg, the hello world site doesn't even specify a version of Scheme that their Scheme "hello world" is in < 1302299473 614790 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT R6RS IS ALL I CAN TELL YA < 1302299482 150785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302299566 847483 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how long will it take me to find a R6RS "hello world"? Rosetta code doesn't have one, either < 1302299713 521011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1302299715 364618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :355) BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1302299724 796437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND HackEgo WILL HELP < 1302299926 430381 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lang r6rs < 1302299927 211405 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(import (rnrs base) (rnrs io simple)) (display "hello world") < 1302299949 593224 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so, they're slowly turning it into Java. Good for them! < 1302299960 584303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first line is racket specific btw < 1302299967 252259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302300016 717508 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can leave out (rnrs base) apparently < 1302300048 646121 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, I had read the spec to come up with that < 1302300113 637125 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right there was a reason i was doing this < 1302300154 152843 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(import (rnrs base) (rnrs io simple)) (display (let* () 5)) -----> 5 < 1302300168 904613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what impl? < 1302300171 503777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't trust racket :) < 1302300176 689225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :larceny maybe < 1302300178 800646 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket, yeah. < 1302300186 362975 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw u need base for let*, HAR < 1302300256 346049 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for let < 1302300268 528360 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which produces the same result as let* in every impl i've tried so far < 1302300287 204356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec is ambiguous IMO < 1302300291 743440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how you interpret ... < 1302300365 80026 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why can't you be elliottt < 1302300368 829207 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY?? < 1302300409 833512 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the current hot application area for R6RS: video pinball! http://www.littlewingpinball.com/doc/en/ypsilon/index.html < 1302300491 347673 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god i can't even get drracket to close < 1302300662 804660 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would personally interpret the example (foo ...) as meaning "one or more occurrences of foo", but whadduino < 1302300681 405142 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a whadduino like an arduino < 1302300689 379223 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except whadded? < 1302300690 33514 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ypsilon real-time in the actual, strict sense of real-time, or is it real-time in the sense of "fast enough"? < 1302300704 716446 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think you mean "interactive" or "online" < 1302300705 154399 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it's Scheme, so... < 1302300705 874863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's real-time as in game real-time :P < 1302300732 511733 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: My university has a big project on real-time Java. In the real sense of real-time. So anything is possible. < 1302300742 994803 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, I mean neither. Neither of those are real-time. < 1302300752 355460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolololol < 1302300753 486356 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your university is a university. This is some Japanese guy who really likes video pinball. < 1302300771 710511 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought "fast enough" was opposed to real-time in your sentence. < 1302300781 921453 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Real-time means that you can statically guarantee timing properties of the program. < 1302300789 144677 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse those Erlang knaves for popularizing "soft real-time" < 1302300790 259924 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: really???? < 1302300804 330926 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: technically, yes, when people aren't abusing the term < 1302300817 588854 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes [caveats: On a certain OS, on a certain piece of hardware, all the way down] < 1302300830 596823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TROLOLOLOLOL < 1302300834 711479 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that totally surprised me, i always thought that "real-time" was a brand of toothpaste :| < 1302300849 882119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real-time is the REAL DEAL < 1302300855 245520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think soft real-time predates erlang :P < 1302300860 571314 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real-time is what you need to be to run on an airplane. < 1302300874 220062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats cheater99 -----###
< 1302300879 349503 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1302300879 744815 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did I say they invented it? < 1302300888 823240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302300890 236499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its popularity < 1302300891 78001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :predates < 1302300891 731833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1302300897 154285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: swat harder < 1302300900 590957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about those real-time systems, why can't my os be one of those < 1302300900 929796 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i know what "real-time" is. you didn't have to tell me that. < 1302300909 721683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: *your* OS *can* be! < 1302300918 358105 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if you didn't get it, i was being sarcastic. < 1302300918 679305 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS < 1302300939 521304 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I EAT BABIES. < 1302300941 643907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get it < 1302300949 729721 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you monster! < 1302300954 907454 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: NOM NOM NOM < 1302300961 768132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did get that you didn't actually think real-time was a brand of toothpaste though < 1302300975 546951 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i only eat babies if they are already dead by the time i find them < 1302300979 215974 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives Gregor some woucester sauce.
< 1302300997 919615 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you played penumbra :D < 1302301004 151186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what's that < 1302301007 556328 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game < 1302301010 899589 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah I need a scheme to build Larceny < 1302301012 467570 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a comment there similar to this < 1302301015 518408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was a brand of toothpaste < 1302301020 985471 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a game < 1302301027 274460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302301030 113390 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so like I have like a dozen schemes installed at this point but that's beside the fact < 1302301030 715107 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not one tub of toothpaste in it. play it. < 1302301036 123848 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really good. < 1302301040 695194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you must really hate building ghc < 1302301042 503659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :penumbra < 1302301053 311357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larceny compiles directly to native machine code for the Intel IA32 or SPARC architectures. < 1302301053 472778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Petit Larceny is a portable implementation that compiles to C instead of machine code. < 1302301053 632101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Larceny runs in the Common Language Runtime (CLR) of Microsoft .NET, generating IL, which is JIT-compiled to native machine code by the CLR. < 1302301056 411819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eagerly awaiting Garden Larceny < 1302301116 118117 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who here has programmed anything in NaCl? < 1302301128 350370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WHAT IST IRC < 1302301133 124951 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dear god dear god yes. < 1302301139 619067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! wait! < 1302301150 355537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [fizzie] @!NDQJMt934400 #douglasadams @#irtie #!/usr/bin/ff @#getnolife < 1302301152 546219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET IT'S THE FIRST ONE < 1302301161 442479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The humans are dead.. < 1302301180 12491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1302301190 280948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does IRCnet not have +i? :-) < 1302301218 539904 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ ircnet < 1302301229 817980 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand larceny accepts (let* () 5). < 1302301236 120497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hyvä kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen < 1302301238 410528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish works this way < 1302301255 249133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, this is kind of wrong though, like kicking a dog :/ < 1302301258 625725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dog with a ridiculous language < 1302301293 480394 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: OMG THAT'S TABLE SALT < 1302301312 885011 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: NO! < 1302301319 605375 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes it is. < 1302301329 444206 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: shocking! < 1302301366 91977 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's also a sort of asm-like language that google is pushing. < 1302301378 110118 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ypsilon gives me an R6RS REPL. RACY. < 1302301394 301255 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually just asm, with some special things that the static analyzer needs to validate it against. < 1302301395 698660 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaand it too believes (let* () 5) is perfectly valid and means 5. < 1302301418 508281 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed assembly language, huh < 1302301422 611060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey has this nice new life goal < 1302301422 774750 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1302301425 30199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cute < 1302301433 138477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll never stop until he's evaluated that expression in every scheme implementation ever < 1302301443 717564 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just analyzes whether it calls any functions it's not allowed to, that's all < 1302301460 273444 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sort of type system < 1302301470 308960 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are two types < 1302301481 501280 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of person who thinks it's a typed system, and the type who doesn't < 1302301502 462969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity < 1302301505 265676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :330) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1302301516 351615 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that where that came from? < 1302301521 574849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302301543 42678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously they asked if anyone in here was Rosicrucian < 1302301547 595000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some real thing though? < 1302301558 646173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's some sort of rave going on upstairs < 1302301563 425223 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaggle it and you'll know < 1302301570 160473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:17:08 treederwright, what're the dimensions of the matrix of solidity? < 1302301570 980187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18:01 Is the matrix of solidity square? Is it invertible? < 1302301574 128924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should go there naked and yell "orgy time!" < 1302301576 210509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these questions were never answered. < 1302301583 180028 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: same here, but downstairs < 1302301587 394421 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a tango festival < 1302301886 195176 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zodiac < 1302301893 809669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:41:24 shit has no value and thus doesn't lose any, is useful for getting rid off and can be small. it's not highly valuable though. < 1302301914 818780 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote odiac < 1302301916 490936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302301954 652870 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X has no value" -> "X is not highly valuable" < 1302301957 802883 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VALID INFERENCE < 1302301977 880124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:05 are rodeos built out of rhodium < 1302301978 153848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:14 Yes. Yes they are. < 1302301978 304158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:16 So is Rhodew. < 1302301978 304330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:19 *Rhodes < 1302301978 304440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:26 this all makes sense. < 1302301978 454430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:30 maybe i can learn more tomorrow -> < 1302302012 147687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i did < 1302302058 6021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn something new every day, oklopol. < 1302302066 714708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey oklopol, ircnet !NDQJMt934400 < 1302302068 954124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be there or be oblong < 1302302077 62622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a party < 1302302093 53871 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will soon have a strongly typed scheme-let which isn't actually too very much like scheme, unless i get bored with this and decide to think about something else < 1302302098 721902 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT, GENTLE FOLK < 1302302099 929365 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302302117 226644 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302302154 923163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come now oklopol < 1302302157 58375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1302302162 235942 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302302186 438069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1302302186 597542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes sorta long to get accepted to ircnet < 1302302187 885264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book: < 1302302188 44704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuart Russel, Peter Norvig. < 1302302188 44927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artificial Intelligence: the Modern Approach. < 1302302194 326555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this should be "Russell", "A Modern" < 1302302196 410281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://noppa.tkk.fi/noppa/kurssi/t-93.4400/summary_in_english) < 1302302200 966744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YW < 1302302207 810736 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're singing "we're not gonna take it" < 1302302212 793474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can clearly hear the lyrics < 1302302226 181633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably stop watching pig porn with full volume < 1302302228 406954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i just wished that channel a good kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen, i think however that it is much better now that you are there < 1302302410 316208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's not aurinkoloistamassataivaalla-aika right now so no one's talking < 1302302410 977009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302302413 607221 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no someone talked < 1302302513 229822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: boring! < 1302302529 399870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: speak some fake polysynthetic-finnish, we'll convince everyone we're brothers < 1302302537 43417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just start okoing :D < 1302302544 640230 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd never do something that childish < 1302302548 636969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. never. < 1302302578 194209 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, should prolly take pikhq off ignore < 1302302603 61768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was he on ignore < 1302302614 323252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told me i know less math than the egyptians < 1302302633 915128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it a huge insult < 1302302658 678385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was that < 1302302659 495745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008? < 1302302675 507408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, anything between 3 days and 3 months ago < 1302302745 751094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet my guitar amp could outloud those party dudes < 1302303139 661754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302303176 597915 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: say, you don't happen to want normish.org, do you? < 1302303188 580892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good to keep both logs in case one is broke < 1302303195 481872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both logs are there < 1302303201 588502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see that. < 1302303208 22201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want it more than an un-Friendly AI might want to fill the universe with paperclips. < 1302303221 216495 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you want it a positive amount? < 1302303239 100122 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the minimum possible amount of wanting is 0, and anything other than 0 constitutes want. < 1302303243 727480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it an INFINITE POSITIVE AMOUNT. < 1302303248 951295 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1302303264 431072 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have been in ##nomic, then; the topic has said for days that I'm giving it away. :P < 1302303277 620494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rank of infinity do you want? < 1302303326 908094 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have a MyDomain account? < 1302303358 900475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ownership of normish.org involve spending money? < 1302303376 398450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I totally do. On the other hand, I don't want it today, if that's okay X-D < 1302303387 697502 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to renew it every so often. You would not have to pay me, unless there are multiple people who want it. < 1302303395 280959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1302303405 152375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want it more if there is any interest in playing a game like Normish. < 1302303414 715025 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have interest in that. :P < 1302303442 537954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to use FORMCARD? I invented the FORMCARD specification a while ago I would like to see in case of anything wrong you should check http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/formcard/fileformat.txt < 1302303470 919861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: People who aren't you. < 1302303502 146057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesy < 1302303513 676825 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Sgeo also has interest in playing it. < 1302303533 305735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't guarantee I'd be active all the time thogh < 1302303579 404571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I now see the PERFECT WAY TO RUN NORMISH. < 1302303587 809772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll tax! < 1302303607 583852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be able to vote, every month, everyone has to pay (cost of server)/(number of players). :p < 1302303625 631269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were specifically trying to exclude me < 1302303636 264403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those who don't do that for two months in a row have their accounts made inactive. Any costs not covered are paid by root. < 1302303637 879445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENIUS AMIRITE < 1302303671 655254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wut? < 1302303672 639711 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've figured there'd be a certain number of voting credits, and you could buy them outright, but anyone who's willing to pay more for them can buy them out from under you. < 1302303688 850152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I was mostly just trying to avoid having to spend money on the whole endeavour :) < 1302303693 147481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since I find it annoying to pay for stuff < 1302303697 341058 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a server for free as long as I don't do anything naughty. < 1302303704 933610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What provider? < 1302303713 943896 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend. :P < 1302303723 546005 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's getting it from prgmr. < 1302303750 762893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, it'd be a lot easier if I just got a prgmr server myself :-P < 1302303758 301015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd probably do fine with the $8/mo package, even. < 1302303771 467280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How much do you pay for FlyByWire? < 1302303772 187148 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine. I'd be fully willing to pay half. < 1302303775 950366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because prgmr have a $5/mo server :P < 1302303784 697952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole 64 MEBIOCTETS of RAM. < 1302303785 713881 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $20/yr < 1302303791 480727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 16 MEBIWORDS of RAM. < 1302303795 1926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow :P < 1302303815 82792 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fly By Wire Enterprises: We is with having of the good times servers for less your money! < 1302303821 900880 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :™ < 1302303852 745268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is fly-by-wire about it anyway :P < 1302303861 142970 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the price. < 1302303864 325480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fly-by-wireless" BEST TERM EVER < 1302303884 751286 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you don't control the servers by applying mechanical force to their control surfaces. :P < 1302303890 102040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Anyway, clearly Normish 2 has to be an acceptable host for SmallNomic :P < 1302303898 434204 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly! < 1302303910 401126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: To be honest, my IDEAL SmallNomic concept is actually... @nomic. < 1302303937 511095 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? A Twitter account? < 1302303937 932882 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROFESSIONAL BA-BY < 1302303953 37114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's that from again >_> < 1302303955 972236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You know of elliottOS? < 1302303964 277454 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN YOU'RE AN ANDROID < 1302303969 184475 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. < 1302303972 467056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: RIGHT < 1302303976 262072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Where'd you pull that word from < 1302303980 451081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :-) < 1302303993 495025 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should I make us a WePay account to handle expenses? < 1302304018 379649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Let's say tomorrow. < 1302304023 696689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I am rather sleepy. < 1302304026 45325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: With oklopol's knowledge of Finnish and my desire for every language to be polysynthetic combined, we applied our combined forces to create the best word for "today" ever. < 1302304031 437571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I hope you grokked the meaning. < 1302304032 435191 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME ABOUT WEPAY WHEN I WAS COLLECTING FOR LIBC.SO < 1302304048 112514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aye, I guessed as much < 1302304048 766906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Q:Does WePay allow international (non-US) payments? < 1302304048 934382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:Not right now, but we hope to soon. < 1302304052 381040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Sorry, not workable. < 1302304053 864358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sorry I didn't know about WePay either < 1302304094 492723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I would be fine just paying for the server myself, but if you want to pay half of it, then I'm fine just receiving half the yearly cost every year via any means :P < 1302304097 220667 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. I want Normish to be up and running with 1,000,000 users by tonight. < 1302304107 674103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get Google on the phone. < 1302304121 85302 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So do you want to know who Fly By Wire Industries is? :P < 1302304128 544245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. I believe you've said but sure :P < 1302304140 552633 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sorry, it's my fault. I knew about WePay but deliberately chose not to tell you because I hate your guts. < 1302304148 78810 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not you yourself, just your guts. < 1302304149 565873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wait, so if I walked up to you IRL and dropped that word into a sentence, you'd continue on like nothing happened? < 1302304150 55077 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, the other thing that was distressing is their extremely nondescript plans, including several plans with a substantially different price but the same features. < 1302304160 321569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: THIS COULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE ME LEARN FINNISH < 1302304163 138142 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :365ezone.com (<-- also so lol) < 1302304164 426758 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I figured the best way to spite your guts was this. < 1302304185 525689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, you should have got a Windows server. < 1302304187 58241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More diversity. < 1302304193 37414 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd understand what you're trying to say, but I wouldn't continue "like nothing happened" :-P < 1302304211 86602 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's this magical word that you're talking about? < 1302304215 941780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can't say you'd give me a blank stare, because a blank stare is the default Finnish facial expression. < 1302304223 571735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen < 1302304226 305406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It means "today". < 1302304230 815105 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and are you sure you can't make a United States domestic payment? :P < 1302304234 729305 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See: Price. < 1302304245 913095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "24-hour-time-period-current" or something < 1302304248 321533 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand four letters of that word! Yay! < 1302304251 750272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not SURE of that, but I'm sufficiently not unsure of it that it seems less pain just to give the payments in bulk :P < 1302304257 866796 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I think I do. :P < 1302304264 115900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Precisely. < 1302304267 827044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: except unlike the finnish version, that english word is almost a valid sentence < 1302304271 887244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302304278 302448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: et tu brute < 1302304278 728565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sentence but noun pile < 1302304282 211597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noun pile :D < 1302304287 172689 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I actually don't understand any of it. < 1302304296 383878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg < 1302304332 655062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it was kahdenkymmenennelj�ntunninajanjaksot�m�nhetkinen, it'd be as good < 1302304372 771973 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "tämänhetkinen" just seems wrong < 1302304381 702862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: as wrong as in english < 1302304402 360599 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still wrong < 1302304417 76096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dislike t�m�nhetkinenkahdenkymmenennelj�ntunninajanjakso too? < 1302304428 685806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am offering a $9999999999 bounty for composing the sentence "My hovercraft is full of eels." in a single word of polysyntheticFinnish. < 1302304444 96157 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, because then it should be (at least) two words :-P < 1302304455 840079 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you have that much money? < 1302304459 519668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely. < 1302304462 481453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: unlike current24hourperiod? < 1302304470 455017 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never said which currency that's in. < 1302304484 61706 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what currency is that in? < 1302304491 144323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The 24hourperiod bit is fairly fine in Finnish, not English. < 1302304492 784937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is probably some currency using the dollar sign?) < 1302304504 990586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is elliott dollars. < 1302304513 364844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the treasurer, mint, &c. < 1302304559 955099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you made up your own $9999999999 bill which is valid only for paying you? < 1302304565 549651 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: maybe slightly more fine < 1302304569 906188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also for paying Deewiant. < 1302304573 442546 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zimbabwe dollars < 1302304574 711424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will open up an account in the Bank of Elliott. < 1302304583 59759 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now valueless) < 1302304583 940706 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Best I can do is "my hovercraft full of eels" in two words: ankeriastäytteinen ilmatyynyalukseni < 1302304598 718509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dude, it doesn't have to be perfectly valid Finnish. < 1302304606 182313 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then just remove the space < 1302304617 788513 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creating a word like your 24-hour-period < 1302304619 658548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You need to fit the "is" in... probably in suffix. < 1302304632 417232 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott dollars are legal tender for all debts, public and private, owed by elliott. < 1302304633 504959 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW TO MAKE A VALID FINNISH WORD: REMOVE SPACES < 1302304650 874875 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "is" is totally unnecessary in Finnish. < 1302304655 435729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302304658 345087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are actually like 28 one-letter finnish words < 1302304661 990434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you just concatenate them successively < 1302304675 978473 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many letters are used in Finnish, not counting "sh"? < 1302304690 678983 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you turn täyttyä into some neat verb form that would be past, finitive, detransitivized < 1302304713 649529 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course! < 1302304724 292568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: new bounty: "twenty-four-hour-period-in-which-my-hovercraft-is-full-of-eels" < 1302304737 595837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that it could go after "good", e.g. "good day" -> "good [day in which my hovercraft is full of eels]" < 1302304740 34290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i.e. < 1302304746 391639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave that one for oklopol < 1302304772 651721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ^ < 1302304805 197671 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires too great finnish-fu for my hurri abilities :| < 1302304867 9278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION says nothing and hopes they go away
< 1302304909 835655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HI < 1302304971 790050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do this with German, too. < 1302304975 622486 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any Germans here? < 1302304976 478965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do hope you're actually inputting nonsense into a translator instead of getting that out of something sensible < 1302304988 237184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i refuse to disclose :-D < 1302304991 22671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disclose my methods < 1302305004 917788 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or Austrians, Suisse Deutsch?) < 1302305010 130170 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilmatyynyaluksenankeriaistäyttyneisyydenkahdenkymmenennenneljäntunninkausi < 1302305013 264224 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302305020 600479 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, it lacks the first person possessive < 1302305042 865783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough < 1302305051 918319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yon eelful day < 1302305054 781173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: pronounce THAT :D < 1302305070 699722 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be mistaken morphology in there < 1302305071 123206 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google doesn't understand it :( < 1302305073 351287 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not hard, really < 1302305077 15237 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does know that it's Finnish) < 1302305077 832496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: close enough, it means *something* except for the obvious typo < 1302305079 159601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1302305080 950692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302305096 986087 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my keyboard sucks so typos can be because of that < 1302305100 233236 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the Finnishest letters are adeghijklmnoprstuvyäö. 21 of them. < 1302305110 571300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nåværende tjuefiretimersperiode < 1302305111 640504 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1302305122 313991 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kymmenen got a bit mangled < 1302305123 461910 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Finnish has 21 basic words, clearly, but there are a few loanwords, too. < 1302305129 438749 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ait no < 1302305140 540532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, they're cunningly constructed out of the basic words < 1302305149 75625 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ankerias/ankerias < 1302305157 705130 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, keyboard sucks! < 1302305160 929385 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So things such as "b" are constructed out of the other 21 letters? < 1302305163 543600 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking aptop of hell < 1302305193 393337 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*laptop <- see? < 1302305193 552496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b was unable to cross the finnish line < 1302305205 70865 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1302305207 781426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so funny about "olen menettänyt sen" < 1302305211 920013 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who crosses the Finnish border becomes unable to say "b". < 1302305217 969165 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a diagonalization proof that early Finnish could not support "b" < 1302305228 964133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : So things such as "b" are constructed out of the other 21 letters? < 1302305229 481181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1302305229 909507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1302305230 491435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302305230 647332 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "b"-aura doesn't extend into Finland, you see. < 1302305239 232680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's so funny about "olen menettänyt sen" < 1302305245 266235 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". < 1302305269 472563 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1302305298 814966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1302305299 727535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :356) Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1302305365 508119 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian samis are stereotypically unable of saying voiced stops... < 1302305374 821511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to say < 1302305416 297427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sami languages are closely related to finnish < 1302305419 894003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: olen menett�nyt sen is funny because it's so far from the correct meaning, despite being unambiguously translatable and thus understandable. and menett�� is such a serious word. < 1302305425 984973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. < 1302305431 747009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does it actually mean then :P < 1302305434 956669 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what's it supposed to mean? < 1302305436 847801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have lost it < 1302305442 984219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: "I lost it" < 1302305443 473798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1302305445 473493 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they mistranslate into it < 1302305449 40374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please find my blah, I lost it < 1302305455 552478 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I misplaced it < 1302305456 542924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the intention < 1302305457 210518 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :somesuch < 1302305465 321721 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, k. < 1302305466 966882 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302305471 25563 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got more connotations < 1302305488 164831 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more. < 1302305490 64197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you literally meant you have lost something? < 1302305507 853298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1302305512 628393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my drift, that is < 1302305512 790937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is not at all funny, just the wrong word. < 1302305515 414871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302305518 276323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you think i meant < 1302305519 632699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have misunderplaced it < 1302305520 142168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost my mind < 1302305520 736972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302305520 996899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1302305529 841972 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olen hukannut sen is closer then < 1302305570 39831 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually menettää is more like, lost in gambling, lost something to someone as one of the connotations < 1302305582 214921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon me sir, i would seem to have mislaid some of my marbles < 1302305989 89465 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hand will not fit in the shredder. < 1302306010 795495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302306017 775178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1302306030 406427 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a feature rather than a flaw < 1302306088 440879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes. Actually the shredder is broken anyways. Now it will be necessary to unscrew it in order to fix it. < 1302306102 763377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do not have that kind of screwdrivers. < 1302306132 903755 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :menettää sounds like the polish word for cunnilingus. < 1302306454 573313 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302306565 138937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which feature of TeXnicard is most important one to you? (You are allowed to select one which is not implemented yet, if that is what you wish) < 1302306641 193173 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302306655 922345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the name < 1302306684 218380 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would that be considered a feature of the program? < 1302306702 478452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302306711 636592 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it makes it better than the same project named e.g. "elliott" < 1302306759 635673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fan sucks as a name! J sucks as a name! Factor _really_ sucks as a name! < 1302306792 872790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Yes, perhaps it is correct, it is better for the project to be named correctly according to what it is, instead of according to what it isn't. But still, the name is not really one of the functions of the program, I think. < 1302306798 739231 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302306802 180429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you suggest the better one than Fan, J, Factor? < 1302306824 970838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably is best to leave those named as it is, since they were already like that? It might confuse more by changing it? < 1302306841 748897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, they shouldn't have been named those things in the first place < 1302306847 965291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think we're really improving your channel < 1302306860 77069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look for Factor language, you'll get stuff about how to do factoring in given languages < 1302306861 723855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OK, then. What do you think they should have been named? < 1302306867 877099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anything else < 1302306874 832723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fan is a nice name < 1302306877 739658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantom is a bad name < 1302306896 353903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantom's more Googleable than Fan < 1302306898 285353 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the only reason for me to use your program is if it makes me feel better < 1302306906 633265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess fan programming or fan language is still Googleable < 1302306914 111439 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i wouldn't feel so good if i were using an "elliott" program < 1302306931 240150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure you can find stuff about Factor language, on Wikipedia, the article titles are very well organized that you should easily be able to guess the article title for nearly anything you look up, and get it correct. < 1302306933 532947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it went Fantom -> Fan < 1302306937 9074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went Fan -> Fantom < 1302306939 719526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ok with that. < 1302306965 238230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but I want more than just Wikipedia and what it links to. I want to be able to search StackOverflow without getting nonsense about factoring < 1302306992 813120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do they have categories in StackOverflow that you can use instead? < 1302306995 367331 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantor < 1302307017 750309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dan + Tom = Dantom < 1302307038 770964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fannie Mae + Thomas = Fantom? < 1302307039 374950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the The programming language < 1302307047 909443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fanlctorn < 1302307057 326760 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Language Formerly Known as Fan" < 1302307072 375170 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have called it an unpronouncable symbol < 1302307079 960607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Does my program makes you feel better? Generally the reason of using a computer program is it is useful for the things you are doing by computer. < 1302307085 247312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, that should be APL < 1302307103 684694 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, no. < 1302307115 949340 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Fantom, thank you for looking exactly like every other language. Yours, ZOMGMODULES < 1302307117 633623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, APL. < 1302307145 455454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I meant that APL's name should be < 1302307145 644493 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it is supposed to be useful, but the usefulness is not purely functional in the sense that there are no side-effects from the program in the form of the program *directly* accessing the state of my happiness. < 1302307156 803083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Programming language < 1302307166 758561 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to returning a happiness modifier to the higher-level task from within which it was involved. < 1302307173 240675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices oerjan
< 1302307173 769204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: im gonna make apex without any of ur stinky influences < 1302307181 970791 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... APL almost _is_ that isn't it. < 1302307196 349882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: O, well, if it make you happy that is the bonus! < 1302307220 923235 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: programs can also make you unhappy < 1302307235 64029 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes I know what you meant about APL's name, from the context. Yes I know you meant that. < 1302307246 594407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ok, sorry, wsn't sure < 1302307248 323771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asnt' < 1302307249 467577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't < 1302307253 285564 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FIND IT INTERESTING < 1302307256 573962 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1302307276 972000 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I suppose it can, but I am not intention to make the program of unhappy. The program is meant for its use. < 1302307285 844405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, I am King of the Jews... erm, Typos < 1302307298 302705 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it interesting that every modern language's "Why X?" FAQ entry includes the rhetorical question "Does the world really need another language?" < 1302307312 75186 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what i am saying is, when making a program always make sure to think of the user's feelings! < 1302307321 669325 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would it ever have had any of my influences anyway? < 1302307321 984427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: apex's will instead include "Does this new language really need the world?" < 1302307329 568770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No. No it doesn't. We forced it into the world." < 1302307339 455159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hey you exerted _vague_ influence :D < 1302307353 595865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is apex the new name of @? < 1302307407 397836 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GOOD LUCK WITH APEX < 1302307420 818917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: is this some kind of horrid reverse psychology < 1302307421 134899 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apex of naming < 1302307435 771580 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ima designing Bizaaro-Pixley < 1302307440 431423 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(working title) < 1302307447 119602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i guess i'll uh < 1302307447 493901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302307451 409528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that one thing you didn't want apex to do < 1302307454 491682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've forgotten :( < 1302307480 714979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow apex to continue its non-existence? < 1302307487 232408 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizaaro-Pixley is: statically typed: has 'eval' instead of 'quote': has only pairs and symbols: has some other crap you'd never see in Scheme < 1302307503 286176 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302307504 33231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you have a literal symbol? < 1302307505 411521 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: What is Bizaaro-Pixley (other than that)? < 1302307509 614080 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: too late for MY considered opinion < 1302307513 816223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons up a list of lists-representing-numerals and convert that? < 1302307524 478760 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302307528 610231 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a literal symbol is a bareword. a pair is: [hi there] < 1302307538 397853 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe (hi . there), I dunno < 1302307558 910326 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with < 1302307560 961805 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302307564 649891 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :html will kill me < 1302307583 390312 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be [] because that's eval < 1302307593 502832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: {hi there} < 1302307600 245866 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302307618 861457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, eval has syntax? perverse. i like it. < 1302307632 504750 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to because otherwise it sucks < 1302307637 985458 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use {} < 1302307653 398373 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the purposes of demonstration I shall use {} but I am not sold on it < 1302307659 346260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1302307660 525744 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302307694 772942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Have you even *seen* my program? Otherwise how can you know? < 1302307719 864207 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i never opined about your program < 1302307723 570386 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: {hi there} evaluates to {hi there}. {cons {a b}} evaluates to {cons {a b}}. but [{cons {a b}] evaluates to {a b}. [{cons {[a] [b]}] does what you'd normally expect (cons a b) to do, in Scheme < 1302307731 444894 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except of the name, that is < 1302307756 740426 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU SNUB QUOTE < 1302307757 941898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: O, OK. But how can you judge the book by only its name? < 1302307788 802188 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: zzo38: i never opined about your program < 1302307792 501763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Is the {} mismatched, or is supposed to be like that? < 1302307829 447942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Then how can you know if it is correct name? < 1302307860 440567 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i can judge a book's cover without reading the book. < 1302307879 536830 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can, but how can you judge if it is the correct cover for that book? < 1302307895 888950 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i ever said anything about whether it is the correct name for your program? < 1302307903 96180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :flrgbl < 1302307934 320784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: so [] is not eval, it is unquote < 1302307935 886818 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said is happy, but that should not be relevant except the program? If you just want to make it happy, you can make anything else, too. < 1302307995 397055 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302308007 924363 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some Bohlen-Pierce musics recently but I do not have it available right now sorry < 1302308031 621379 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: ? Stop cheating please ??? < 1302308051 949452 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: start english please? < 1302308053 78697 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302308117 149071 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Bohlen-Pierce musics too? < 1302308253 601162 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Toon guide < 1302308253 819564 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only made Bohlen-Pierce musics with no more than one note played at one time, so far, because I don't know how to make chord and stuff like that with Bohlen-Pierce musics. < 1302308273 305395 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it's *an* eval. and yes, i missed a close } < 1302308366 235770 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{let {{a b} a} -> {let {{a b} a} ... [{let {{a b} [a]}] -> b < 1302308380 806968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatsnotenglish < 1302308395 882359 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the snazzy part comes from that session where oerjan and cpressey were abusing Haskell < 1302308441 147250 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still looks like unmatched < 1302308447 818958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, when the snazzy was in the happening < 1302308483 659345 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{let {{[{let {c a} c}] b} [a]}] -> b < 1302308491 235054 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i missed a } in there too, i keep doing that < 1302308499 378121 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN OTHER WORDS < 1302308507 158859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather that's quite the something-or-other < 1302308508 377652 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbols can be expressed < 1302308559 980620 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizaaro! Bizaaro! Bizaaro! < 1302308577 276157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pizzaro? < 1302308592 476303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expresses symbols
< 1302308671 848444 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvW-ZGNjBYc < 1302308726 287953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1302308858 403896 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to remember enough haskell to implement it < 1302308958 542664 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr ::= bareword | "{" Expr Expr "}" | "[" Expr "]" < 1302308960 641556 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks right < 1302308962 638057 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1302309098 301235 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Parsec my old friend < 1302309098 852642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ish != right < 1302309121 858719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've come to talk to you again < 1302309152 843778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a parser so soft creeping, bla-bla blah parser something-something < 1302309412 741258 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you threw me there for a minute < 1302309527 475513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't be bothered figuring out the proper lyridcs < 1302309552 742676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm pretty sure you can make something completely coherent about parsec parsers to that tune < 1302309565 756525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as coherent as such talk could ever be < 1302309643 915945 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hark bark flark flrgblk < 1302309656 938774 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flglrlrk < 1302309668 476417 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't spell 'Parsec' without 'arse'" < 1302309687 56742 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't appear to have it installed though, what is this craziness? < 1302309690 695242 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spell parsec using my brain and my hands < 1302309809 880865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with some kind of flatulence input method you could do it with your arse < 1302309820 733104 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh do I have to install the damn thing with cabal < 1302309822 359110 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whines
< 1302309825 618936 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WHINES
< 1302309840 585934 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the opposite of hawking's computer thingy < 1302309854 499782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, stop the whining < 1302309881 838846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: with Cabal or with cabal-install? < 1302309911 467866 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do wonder why I'm talking at you < 1302309912 86575 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not cabal, trying: sudo apt-get install libghc6-parsec3-dev < 1302309918 121968 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, why is that? < 1302309923 486347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1302309933 809308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awake and have nothing better to do perhaps? < 1302309942 907860 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under this nick, I'm like elliott but even more obnoxious < 1302309953 993596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are* you elliott? < 1302309961 142603 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302309961 778269 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1302309963 890925 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1302309970 588872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awe kay < 1302309974 881063 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we can't be seen together from now on < 1302309984 534233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"roger that" < 1302310059 197925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to re-evaluate your existance based on these new facts < 1302310070 947029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reëvaluate < 1302310103 414530 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as will I < 1302310123 785873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! it will do you none < 1302310160 883895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302310312 751890 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1302310313 876153 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1302310343 391022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : *are* you elliott? <-- hm probably not "+ ZOMGMODULES (~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has left #esoteric" < 1302310364 381845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "catseye" < 1302310370 186268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a user name of "catseye" is not exactly hard to fake < 1302310375 255518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed < 1302310391 969223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea where elliott would connect from < 1302310492 498990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ [ZOMGMODULES] (~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net): Chris Pressey. whois fails badly. on the ip < 1302310499 168608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can get that ISP is based in US < 1302310528 755391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois fails on any subdomain to sbcglobal.net < 1302310535 1203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense you're making: scant if at all < 1302310536 564971 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302310544 959353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1302310545 109515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me sleep < 1302310545 889040 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER HEARD OF HIM < 1302310556 878714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *do* act like elliott however. < 1302310594 85589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, cya < 1302310601 793874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: "HIM" is (I believe) some kind of pop music < 1302310782 278180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. Ads in whois result < 1302310790 135629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the registrar, but still..) < 1302310811 891662 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harmony In Motion < 1302311633 662706 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have mini repl. seems to be behaving as i expect < 1302311705 420717 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to implement the actual hard parts of the evaluator < 1302311745 541829 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh, definitely need a photon tracer >_> < 1302311747 123272 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SLOW < 1302311751 361785 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO INEFFICIENT < 1302311754 526741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ... necessary. < 1302311801 479625 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because I can't figure out how to invert that if the photons are of normal orientation but the viewer is reoriented :P < 1302311885 49307 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait, yes I do 8-D < 1302311890 284554 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, raytracing it is :) < 1302311901 340338 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Going backwards in time) < 1302312394 708398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what are you trying to do? < 1302312407 679956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants there to be a raytracer that does relativity
< 1302312439 962684 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302312459 446943 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there is one. I remember seeing images it made, in the 90's. < 1302312484 134361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, isn't that something like that in black holes, or is that a common misconception, or am I misremembering something I recently read? < 1302312499 576741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's just intense time dilation. < 1302312580 707741 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302312589 193876 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.photon.at/~werner/bh/gvsim.html < 1302312592 68053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna go inside! < 1302312600 289908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want to make my own! < 1302312607 702278 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to write a raytracer ... maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify ... a lot ... < 1302312635 195153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray sucks? (Is POV-Ray open source?) < 1302312646 669123 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that I can modify a lot" < 1302312651 73038 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray does WAY more than I need for this. < 1302312653 290258 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is huge. < 1302312664 489585 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifying someone else's raytracer implementation, always a great way to kill a week or two or ninety-five < 1302312665 733900 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that guy ever opened up vivid < 1302312667 45703 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw screw it, I've written ray-tracers, I can write another one X-P < 1302312707 665654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, vivid? < 1302312721 953898 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vivid was a ray tracer I used back in the ms-dos days < 1302312736 343885 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was much faster than pov-ray at the time and had better quality < 1302312754 735599 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was closed < 1302312837 13390 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stephen Coy, Christopher Watkins and Mark Finlay co-authored a book < 1302312837 668521 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : on Ray Tracing called "Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C". < 1302312837 818522 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Distributed free with the book was an example ray tracer called BOB. < 1302312863 477510 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, for what I need, I need a HORRIBLY broken raytracer :P < 1302312878 114502 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, broken? < 1302312879 272360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1302312893 115717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, unless you mean broken in that your modifications mess with it < 1302312929 315673 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm essentially using a raytracer as a backwards photon mapper, but I have to maintain the actual time it takes for photons to get to their destination (as opposed to a conventional raytracer which considers light to be infinitely fast) since time is a physical dimension. < 1302312946 184551 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify" ...vs... "I need a HORRIBLY broken raytracer" < 1302313036 984046 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doesn't suck" in the "is relatively modular and modifiable sense" < 1302313043 378498 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, modifying a good one into this nonsense would be better. < 1302313092 737950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302313116 838074 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you'd be better off starting from scratch hehe < 1302313154 14971 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait ... argh ... since the photons you're perceiving aren't themselves reoriented, all you would actually see is identical to if you were just slowly moving in one dimension ... < 1302313181 182743 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to add polarization as well? < 1302313200 347922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be useful to do so? < 1302313259 240042 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure, but considering my mind can barely comprehend what I have already, I don't want to :P < 1302313276 934824 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... reoriented light, standard orientation observer. *brain axplotes* < 1302313381 361650 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified, what you see at any given instant is all the photons that hit the point in spacetime represented by your eye at that instant. The fact that the movement of this point is along a different axis than everything else is wholly irrelevant, photons are still photons. < 1302313459 410827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ignore for a moment the fact that the photons are, from your perspective, immobile, and so probably imperceptible >_> < 1302313496 887827 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also let's ignore the fact that if photons are immobile, NOTHING makes sense. < 1302313514 51639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it so the angle of the switching between time and space dimensions can be anything < 1302313565 261450 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't make any difference, now you're just /slowly/ experiencing time while sliding /slowly/ in one dimension. < 1302315073 759748 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302315105 923376 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302315197 864224 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm essentially using a raytracer as a backwards photon mapper, but I have to maintain the actual time it takes for photons to get to their destination [...] <-- wouldn't this just be the length of the ray? < 1302315840 330377 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a raytracer once but never finished it... < 1302315935 902131 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(x=0:100){for(y=0:100){r=Ray(x,y);c=black;for(o:scene)if(r.intersect(o)){c=white;break};plot(x,y,c)}} < 1302315951 846279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just spend $100 of his dad's money
< 1302315954 245817 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it. well, you have to implement the Ray class, and objects and stuff < 1302315959 446096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.. well, my dad spend it, I guess < 1302315971 663243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's expecting me to pay him back.. which I will, I guess < 1302316055 981066 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my objects were spheres, and it's pretty easy to tell when a line has intersected a sphere... hey so why did I never finish it? < 1302316060 463966 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: That is the length of the ray, but remember that time is now a /location/, I thought (incorrectly) that I had to distinguish the parts of the ray corresponding to frames in the animation. < 1302316064 966863 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what'd ya buy? < 1302316083 412076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES, sponsorship of Grandroids < 1302316098 637660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm a bit torn about that extra $25 just to get a thank you in the credits < 1302316327 651715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508284443/grandroids-real-artificial-life-on-your-pc < 1302316377 429918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302316399 976182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi elliott. I just spend an extra $25 on something just so my name would be included < 1302316407 386013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: hi < 1302316423 876729 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302316428 874935 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: TOO MUCH MONEY DERP < 1302316436 274828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302316468 447454 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sgeo just bought real artificial life. I think this makes him a slave owner? < 1302316481 934828 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION SEES WORLD VERY CLEARLY, VERY VERY
< 1302316493 755544 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a cat. < 1302316495 702991 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE IS MY SLAVE. < 1302316512 687511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: absolutely < 1302316522 89613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you don't torture your cat the way I've tortured norns before... < 1302316524 408433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after what he did to norns, how is he still allowed to adopt virtual life? < 1302316539 902607 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that how you treat your slaves affects whether they're slaves or not... < 1302316653 700075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1302316663 475722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I inflicted actual pain only on a very few < 1302316677 43078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's death or blindness or the like < 1302316947 877852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:55:56: you *do* act like elliott however. < 1302316948 792832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's low < 1302316953 449329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say anything like that ever < 1302316955 641544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even to my worst enemy < 1302316988 467417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:30:07: I don't want to write a raytracer ... maybe there's one that doesn't suck that I can modify ... a lot ... < 1302316993 345645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, raytracers only take a couple thousand of lines :P < 1302317006 776561 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not writing it. Upon further thought the result would be really boring. < 1302317012 535673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...why? < 1302317027 318896 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme copy my quote from above ...' < 1302317043 321994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's obvious what the result would look like, but it's still a useful intuitive tool. < 1302317049 510234 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Simplified, what you see at any given instant is all the photons that hit the point in spacetime represented by your eye at that instant. The fact that the movement of this point is along a different axis than everything else is wholly irrelevant, photons are still photons. < 1302317070 68115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well duh, don't simulate PHOTONS with the same reorientation. < 1302317072 54910 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you would see is time frozen as you slide slowly along one axis. < 1302317083 224251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to pretend you have a magical camera that works by magic. < 1302317085 173274 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is unreoriented photons. < 1302317087 974352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1302317090 590527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about reoriented photons. < 1302317101 265113 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely like looking at somebody reoriented while you're not. < 1302317117 532745 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think that how you treat your slaves affects whether they're slaves or not... <-- what if you free them? OMGZEN < 1302317146 350910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes... the point is that the WHOLE SCENE is reoriented :P < 1302317158 615811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is important, because that's what the reoriented view of a 3D reorientation game would look like. < 1302317207 310592 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, fine, I'll write it :P < 1302317220 814073 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302317242 262450 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302317291 990060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and make sure it can do colours separately of all the photon mess... so that you can identify objects in the scene when reoriented X-D < 1302317398 112186 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, assuming that photons from your perspective are immobile, and that you carry a lightsource with you through the machine, there's an excuse :P < 1302317409 440456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wut? :P < 1302317420 950251 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For why there are reoriented photons to see. < 1302317424 90292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right :P < 1302317435 699572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw an IRL one of these things is possibly the most disturbing machine i can imagine < 1302317441 973828 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1302317446 622289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the idea of some... repeated carpet... < 1302317453 510697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302317457 962097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an atom-thin slice of carpet < 1302317460 625852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated < 1302317461 889818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :euuurgh < 1302317489 91882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, AFAICT, in a still-in-normal-world scene, when you reorient, everything would start moving towards you :P < 1302317508 35738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: EXERCISE: Figure out what the fuck happens when a reoriented person collides with what is in non-oriented-world a normal wall. < 1302317521 662371 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The universe explodes. < 1302317544 817407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A PERFECT IRL machine would do it at the quark level though. < 1302317553 628882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So basically, you go through the machine, and emerge in a world without any complete, proper atoms. < 1302317563 947150 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOUR MOM WOULD DO IT AT THE QUARK LEVEL < 1302317583 736859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE ONLY WAY ANYBODY _CAN_ DO IT WITH YOU < 1302317588 250220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYTHING ELSE AND THE SCALE'S ALL WRONG < 1302317643 633994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm totally nightmare-fueling about this machine now :P < 1302317700 960005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For Time—in its relativity, brutality and absurdity— is one of "Friday"'s great targets. In an instant day passes to night, and the realism of the bus stop gives way to a surreal blue-screen panorama of a full moon and false city running on loop as Ms. Black rides in the convertible, apparent-heiress to the grand American tradition of high school cruising, that curious space birthed by Cold War highways (themselves relics of our atomic fears < 1302317701 110091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) in which teenagers first experienced themselves as such." < 1302317702 152497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theawl.com/2011/03/arms-so-freezy-rebecca-blacks-friday-as-radical-text < 1302317755 677616 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have decided... < 1302317760 514205 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"onanistic recursion" < 1302317784 850144 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, i, i < 1302317798 476084 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have decided to change Bizaaro-Pixley in several ways < 1302317833 685091 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now looks like this: *[*let [[a b] *a]] < 1302317842 413873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: wow, now it's even more like Nock! < 1302317853 251320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I suggest replacing * with ' for maximum consuion < 1302317855 464283 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooperfishilly < 1302317867 188719 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' for eval, huh < 1302317870 576986 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ironic < 1302317872 180719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [] with () < 1302317877 915629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'('let ((a b) 'a)) < 1302317881 788704 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUCH < 1302317883 755509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1302317890 996629 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, perhaps < 1302317894 76077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Can't Believe It's Not Lisp < 1302317913 365529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT-ZOMGMODULES: or no no no wait < 1302317915 12574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] with )( < 1302317920 508548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :')'let ))a b( 'a(( < 1302317924 352832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1302317931 161589 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nug < 1302317938 915809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1302317943 306757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace * with ( < 1302317948 635266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( with ' < 1302317952 75391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ) with > < 1302317969 855117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :('(let ''a b> (a>> < 1302318021 385899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New engine sends shockwaves through auto industry - 3.5x more efficient, doesn't require cooling system, transmission, or fluids" < 1302318022 829932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or energy. < 1302318025 90285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a driver. < 1302318029 164072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or matter. < 1302318056 66225 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it discloses to you this one weird old tip to shed belly fat < 1302318066 642200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovered by a mom? < 1302318077 190593 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a WORK AT HOME mom, yes. < 1302318084 742905 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302318104 522731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from UNBIASED NEWSPAPER < 1302318107 601981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Advertising website < 1302318120 267471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acai berry! it works so cheap! as seen on fox news! < 1302318127 659110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's stop this before it gets out of hand < 1302318532 725039 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have a dangerous mission ahead of us." "I understand ... get the ship's counselor." < 1302318748 378196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, before a dangerous mission it's important to get some... therapy... < 1302318770 858384 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ST:TNG :P < 1302318817 671028 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've improved it: "We have a dangerous mission, lives are at risk. Assemble an away team." "Counselor, doctor, you're with me." < 1302318818 826453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I WAS TRYING TO IMPLY THAT TROI IS ONLY ON THE BRIDGE BECAUSE PICARD ET AL. FIND HER SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE AND ALSO HAVE RELATIONS WITH HER ON A REGULAR BASIS UNDER THE GUISE OF "THERAPY" < 1302318831 355514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, happy now that we've thrown british subtlety out of the window in favour of american sledgehammering? < 1302318850 292818 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NUH UH IT'S BECAUSE SHE CARRIES THE RANK OF A LIEUTENANT COMMANDER FOR SOME NEVER-EXPLAINED REASON < 1302318871 311402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because she commands all the crew's... lieutenants... < 1302318873 129668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY < 1302318887 937489 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... perfect :P < 1302318890 510429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leftenants < 1302318902 597752 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's still spelled lieutenant < 1302318909 467892 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spelt < 1302318911 434363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1302318914 201954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE CANADIAN < 1302318915 926866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW < 1302318922 107523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftenant (plural leftenants) < 1302318922 592884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An archaic spelling of lieutenant. < 1302318922 742945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1302318930 305634 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "archaic" < 1302318938 695453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL I'M A CONSERVATIVE < 1302318939 508521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCH < 1302318955 486797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder what force of logic allows lieutenant to be pronounced in the uk way < 1302318979 946413 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the canadian way. that force of logic is called FRENCH < 1302319010 294562 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quebecois, thankyouverymuch < 1302319032 515177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's still spelt "fag" < 1302319033 609587 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they gave the reason for lt com.. she got involved with picard before.. she gave favors, she got favors < 1302319036 4551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1302319040 177735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still spelt "french" < 1302319043 817845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno which is more offensive/funny < 1302319063 60803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you mean this is CANON? 8D < 1302319083 727443 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, I'm making it up :P < 1302319102 569583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's fake canon < 1302319105 586043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x better < 1302319109 291713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AKA fanon ;D) < 1302319120 279034 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure it was canon that they had some kind of relationship inthe past < 1302319131 490573 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no :P < 1302319173 580969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any evidence to suggest picard hasn't had sex with everyone on the enterprise? < 1302319175 180771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1302319176 323561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1302319200 602335 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think picard is into male klingons < 1302319211 651371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's not evidence against < 1302319218 233320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, there is no evidence he ISN'T into male klingons < 1302319218 789911 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're into him BA-DUM < 1302319226 818593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, you can have sex with people you're not attracted to < 1302319230 675901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence discounted < 1302319243 790138 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: occam's razor; evidence readmitted < 1302319251 17655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uhh < 1302319253 472771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: this is star trek < 1302319260 422476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis < 1302319261 784611 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jack later served aboard the USS Stargazer under Picard, and the couple became good friends with the captain. Picard later admitted he had fallen in love with Beverly, but did not ever express his feelings because he felt that doing so would betray his friend. <---- lies.. they totally f***ed < 1302319266 306182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence rediscounted < 1302319356 379161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1302319357 83233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win < 1302319512 373638 :joojii!~stevecase@76.91.108.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302319672 492926 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no; that discount isn't valid in that sector after 3:00 AM < 1302319687 781120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: fuck you, i'm a bear < 1302319831 905609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302319833 429104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight :) < 1302319845 163721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i'll talk wrt normish tomorrow < 1302319847 925483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302320901 339345 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302321510 518446 :NOT-ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302321614 403330 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302321658 937904 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it fine enough measurements if the space factors are in different units that 40 is the normal space value instead of 1000, and where 255 is the maximum? < 1302321729 361394 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302321906 449842 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302321939 446772 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302322585 301132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to see the pre-6th-edition rules of Magic
< 1302322593 934310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do vaguely remember Interrupts < 1302322606 638460 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they did have Interrupts, which are no longer used. < 1302322635 709127 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are various things about the rules (any editions) which I do not like, although there are many good rules, too. < 1302322657 398840 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, I do not like they removed mana burn. < 1302323172 334589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not even know if this still works in the modern rules: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Magic_The_Gathering_card_deck_of_programming_language < 1302323375 500213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know this? < 1302323438 252922 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302323605 965156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the body of the first concept wasn't yours? < 1302323608 717213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mindboggles
< 1302323662 221421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was my idea, but I did not write most of the text on that page. < 1302323760 440950 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302323854 120131 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write a program which estimates values of chess pieces by calculating the resistance between every pair of cells on the board. < 1302323883 220666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :resistance? < 1302323932 820950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the resistance, in ohms. < 1302323947 19980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is stragne but it is an experiment I can try. < 1302324097 493650 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302324613 27637 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302325064 800387 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302325306 596589 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302325612 676082 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good way to compress very short strings of english text? < 1302325638 390271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, how short do you mean? < 1302326560 597532 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302328222 281957 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter than the original message < 1302328285 377440 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302328538 547439 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which ways are best. I suppose usually English text consists of letters and spaces, and some punctuation, and some letters/punctuation are less common than others. There is also combinations that might be more likely or less likely than others. < 1302328769 209263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think prime numbers are of any use in estimating values of chess pieces? < 1302330564 64063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302331165 884988 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302331272 314374 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302333330 54296 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302335461 669707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302335580 480859 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302335584 673230 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1302335633 341833 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!!!!! < 1302335669 719727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi... < 1302335676 113798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1302335691 527016 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi zzo38, ais523 :-) < 1302335736 325270 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, do you have anything else to discussion or do you want for something else to be typed? (In case of the second way, you might look at recent logs in case you are interested in it) < 1302337174 172927 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a few new dev boards and is trying to figure out how to do something useful with them.
< 1302337322 1557 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of dev boards do you have? < 1302337493 392040 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arduino, Minimus, Maximus, Altera Max, eZ430, ST7, TI Launchpad, Micropendous3 < 1302337568 77322 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble with the Minimus and Maximus is they're also used for PS Jailbreak, so most of the stuff I find online is about Jailbreak :-( < 1302338776 419585 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302338941 168961 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302339374 215246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, hm, what are Minimus and Maximus then? It seems strange to me some random development boards would be used for jail break. < 1302339396 515333 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the words are used? < 1302339413 102654 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the dev boards are used: http://minimususb.com or http://www.teensy.co.uk/Maximus-AVR-USB-v1.2-inc-Case/c17/index.html < 1302339436 678655 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, what would make them more fit for jail breaking, as opposed to other boards? < 1302339512 80545 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sure. They're pretty cheap and built into a USB stick < 1302339545 315512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, for a development board that sounds impractical. *opens browser to look at how many IO pins they have* < 1302339606 62164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, wait what, the latter link has AVR in the page and also PIC18F4550 < 1302339608 740473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused < 1302339632 616453 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimus appears to have access to all pins. Maximus 1.0 only has access to a few. Not sure about Maximus 1.2 (which is still in the post). < 1302339676 294518 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one confused me too... I'll open it up when it arrives! Maximus 1.0 is definitely AVR. Maximus 1.2 isn't really clear :-) < 1302339716 361731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, for sake of sanity I hope it isn't PIC! Though I only programmed PIC12 series. I guess PIC18 series is not quite as bad < 1302340596 215036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302340850 911855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302340987 765704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302341275 382402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis < 1302341293 596327 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are saying that you are discounting occam's razor as not being the simplest explanation? < 1302341947 723421 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302342008 961798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott TV TROPES INSANITY CONTINUES: I swear they've started filtering out swearwords. < 1302342009 289278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1302342271 904070 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TI also has one built-into-USB-stick MSP430 series devel-board, https://estore.ti.com/EZ430-F2013-MSP430-USB-Stick-Development-Tool-P800.aspx < 1302342333 814426 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "more information" page says it has "14 user accessible pins"; here's a pic: http://focus.ti.com/graphics/tool/ez430-f2013.jpg < 1302342386 269497 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That F2013 chip is quite a small one.) < 1302343007 743239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Erdős may instead be exemplifying the “Lazarus Effect’: according to this list he has published 34 papers since 1999. Allowing 2–3 years as a typical upper bound on gestation for a journal paper, this would seem to indicate a fair bit of effort since his death in 1996." < 1302343017 46541 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/why-is-everything-named-after-gauss/) < 1302343065 404429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it must be someone else with the same name or using a pseudonym < 1302343114 806674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (That F2013 chip is quite a small one.) <-- quite. < 1302343115 866315 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would _guess_ it is people adding his name as a joke, because of erdős numbers < 1302343134 167180 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be it, too. < 1302343157 580940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the papers might still be based on his work, perhaps < 1302343188 386046 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is. < 1302343451 100800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have to say I'm more used to huge development boards, where you have hundreds of pins for various purposes around. < 1302343461 341694 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a F2013 here. < 1302343583 698026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gaussfacts.com/random < 1302343625 457588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: especially for you ^ < 1302343789 819679 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those tend to cost a bit more, too; I guess the cheapest end ones tend to be rather spartan. < 1302343825 32817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302343839 576710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mostly used development boards at university. < 1302343858 374552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, often with fancy debugging over JTAG interfaces and what not < 1302343952 957820 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: http://youtu.be/-jm942TrsK4 < 1302344357 899473 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302344416 554771 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DSP devboards we had were rather on the large side, too. Well, at least compared to these microcontroller boards. http://www.spectrumdigital.com/product_info.php?&products_id=100 is one of them. < 1302344730 140420 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads today's iwc and recalls doing the exact opposite of that
< 1302344737 219085 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iwc annotation < 1302344811 96746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, crumpling foil wrapper to turn it into little "crystal" balls < 1302344849 411849 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this obviously means i must be dmm's secret nemesis. < 1302345247 834759 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302345343 420773 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302346501 700444 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302346529 190749 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302346658 631099 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302347036 766403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gauss classified the finite groups. When he was finished with the simple ones, there were none left." < 1302347038 419025 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302347281 503094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gauss has an Erdos number of -1." why isn't there a gauss number < 1302347375 599374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused, because I almost certainly have an Erdős number, but don't know what it is < 1302347401 551087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, when I loaded up Character Map to copy-paste the ő, I found it was already selected so I didn't have to go look for it, which is nice; I must have had to type Erdős before) < 1302347492 228894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, most dev boards I have seen had sockets for various different CPUs from the same family. I think I saw an AVR one that had like 14 or 15 different CPU sockets on it. < 1302347498 235452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ṏ < 1302347500 525956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1302347552 444976 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the pinouts are usually the same, it's just that the packages differ in size < 1302347573 477661 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll have like concentric pinouts on the pcb where the leads go straight through the pads < 1302347706 787101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are websites that give you an upper bound < 1302347759 932937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302347761 658914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the 14-socket one atm, but this one is also pretty impressive in terms of number of IO pinshttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kamami.pl/published/publicdata/BTC10/attachments/SC/products_pictures/stk600.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kamami.pl/index.php%3Fukey%3Dproduct%26productID%3D46340%26did%3D34%26view%3Dprintable&usg=__XDa0lEfhhT8nIvazCos8fF5LX2I=&h=275&w=300&sz=37&hl=en&start=0 < 1302347761 989571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :&zoom=1&tbnid=gvJX_07o7Jp2fM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=135&ei=bj-gTar3LYrZtAa1kPCVBw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTK600%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26biw%3D1556%26bih%3D667%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=289&vpy=332&dur=292&hovh=215&hovw=235&tx=86&ty=103&oei=bj-gTar3LYrZtAa1kPCVBw&page=1&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0: < 1302347764 138448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the url < 1302347768 864136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it that long... < 1302347785 471273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, here is a direct link: http://www.kamami.pl/published/publicdata/BTC10/attachments/SC/products_pictures/stk600.jpg < 1302347806 125313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302347923 792959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302347930 170039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ? < 1302347963 900306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TV Tropes So Bad It's Horrible pages have fanfic divided into *7* alphabetical subsections. < 1302347998 688473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=2735 is not quite the 14-socket one either. But it has a respectable 8 CPU sockets. I used that one at university. I have no clue why it has two of each size of CPU socket. Possibly for dual-CPU development? < 1302348010 563733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the output ports are not duplicated... < 1302348130 318164 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gauss can get to the other side of a M�bius strip. < 1302348283 738874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gauss can comb Poincar�'s hairy balls" what :D < 1302348297 379429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you get that, surely? < 1302348298 907549 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I got that one too. < 1302348303 881106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1302348308 784425 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "got" I mean "received from the random-lister page". < 1302348324 310162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was kinda < 1302348333 621028 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was kinda oko. < 1302348347 358600 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're all about hairy balls, aren't you? < 1302348351 615031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i agree, it was kinda stupid < 1302348362 541850 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i love balls < 1302349115 608473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be webpages like that gauss thing for more specific topics < 1302349181 269714 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1302349304 22168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can construct a nonplanar graph such that no subdivisions of K_5 appear as a subgraph, and every subgraph that is a subdivision of K_{3,3} has itself a planar embedding < 1302349526 588791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can construct a subset S of 1^* such that for every problem L subset {0, 1}^* for which there exists a nondeterministic turing machine A and a polynomial p such that L is exactly the set of words w for which there exist an accepting run of A of length p(|w|), there also exists a function g in FP such that u is in S if and only if g(s) is in L < 1302349531 171283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302349546 224781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last thing is backwards < 1302349573 470919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.., there also exists a function g in FP such that s is in L if and only if g(s) is in S < 1302349609 939610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a stronger theorem than i proved yesterday but if you look at the proof you note that S doesn't actually need to be in NP) < 1302349629 26086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it yesteryesterday < 1302349687 931934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Insanity is the best policy. < 1302349734 339726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make my own gauss page, drop gauss and call it "false things that are close to a true thing" < 1302349739 539749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarity would ensue < 1302349840 93895 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose they should start with an existential quantifier (replacing the current gauss quantifier "gauss can X") < 1302349859 412628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you have a clear impossibility you can laugh at < 1302349872 430782 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a single totally crazy object like that S there < 1302349994 670587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1302350041 29128 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302350068 347459 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302350073 308428 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1302350073 458779 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302350156 494262 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you guys < 1302350188 438373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: come play mangle the theorem with me < 1302350488 106106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can construct an algebra with underlying set S and a unary operation * such that there exist elements e != f such that both e and f are identity elements with respect to * < 1302350809 879853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, off to Venice. < 1302350822 381413 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302350827 103731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302351011 71397 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :klop: how does he do it? < 1302351040 284558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know < 1302351073 257557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as the proof that it's impossible takes about 10 characters < 1302351086 476 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i guess 6 < 1302351337 405363 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wenn man auf einem Taschenrechner 707 eingibt und den Taschenrechner umdreht, erscheint das Wort "LOL". Addiert man dann zu diesem "LOL" ein weiteres, dann ist das Ergebnis "hihi". < 1302351344 451348 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1302351356 28175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1302351369 798833 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my algebra joke was funnier though < 1302351402 665432 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didn't realize it was a joke, i thought it was really truth for some very odd definition of "algebra" < 1302351416 182006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no usual definition < 1302351428 663555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :operation = * has type S x S -> S < 1302351457 622707 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :: (a, a) -> a ? < 1302351458 389084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e identity = e * x = x * e = e for all x in S < 1302351471 194795 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are a in there < 1302351479 249419 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is the underlying set < 1302351508 535650 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a \in S. < 1302351521 234882 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously (S, S) -> S would be an operation on sets < 1302351525 756452 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, intersection. < 1302351564 853780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed you used (A, B) notation instead of A x B, it makes more sense < 1302351569 674669 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1302351572 317910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the answer is no < 1302351585 192279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would (a, a) go to a? < 1302351611 851946 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because multiply(x, y) has two parameters and one result. < 1302351636 855428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and yet multiply(a, a) is not necessarily a < 1302351651 682128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when gauss does it < 1302351682 663580 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://learnyouahaskell.com/types-and-typeclasses#type-variables < 1302351708 602699 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a read from a website i helped create, it has nice pictures. < 1302351752 855523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did mean SxS by (S,S) < 1302351770 644147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a was just S < 1302351802 341780 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a is the type of elements from S. it is not S. < 1302351817 531818 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have different meta-data. < 1302351827 33383 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mathematical notation you would say S x S -> S < 1302351832 90013 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to have an artificial difference, of course you can have that, but there's really no need for that. < 1302351854 245367 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need, but i'm just telling you why i denoted it differently < 1302351885 920762 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302351887 624332 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1302351922 999953 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, yes, * :: (a, a) -> a, where a is the type of elements of S < 1302351926 148585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a binary op is < 1302351961 428503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to think of it as a subset of the cartesian product of S^2 and S such that each element of S^2 has a unique image < 1302352084 73082 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean well-defined binary operator < 1302352095 813515 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a fucking function from S^2 to S < 1302352110 79125 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not well-defined it can yield results that are not a, or not be defined at all < 1302352113 14050 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fun sometimes < 1302352131 458707 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is a fucking function like an orgy in a church with candles and stuff < 1302352135 109406 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1302352141 13472 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds fun too < 1302352144 674692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh. and i guess it could also be an elephant given the right isomorphism. < 1302352153 556540 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302352157 712328 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1302352321 373776 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, they say a good scientist can take a single dot on a blackboard and extrapolate it into an elephan < 1302352322 1666 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1302352369 90429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss can extrapolate it into a mastodon < 1302352726 443175 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :riemann can extrapolate it into a mouse < 1302353500 381449 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302353646 26047 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302355605 327924 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302355615 206000 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302359031 132610 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302359656 664798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302359724 344894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:06:52: is there a good way to compress very short strings of english text? < 1302359724 503374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302359726 592691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huffmand < 1302359728 793605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*huffman < 1302359729 56694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1302359730 81325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1302359847 350302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:27:55: occam's razor is disproved on a weekly basis < 1302359847 533694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:28:13: so you are saying that you are discounting occam's razor as not being the simplest explanation? < 1302359849 307070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302361476 611908 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302361583 931821 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302362479 666843 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how dare you insult Occam? :P < 1302362488 687186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in the context of star trek < 1302362497 480278 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Go ahead, then. < 1302362506 339775 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have my blessings. Tentatively. < 1302362512 724881 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, elliott, guess what day it is! < 1302362515 673822 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tomorrow! < 1302362515 824136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel strangely... blessed, somehow. < 1302362521 282727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wow!!!! < 1302362526 784450 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump on an altar and see if it's true. < 1302362533 42526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is here... in the future! http://everyoneishereinthefuture.com/one.html < 1302362597 131244 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nope, I checked. It's still today < 1302362632 331279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is... no longer here... in the past. < 1302362634 905872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nobody is < 1302362638 11738 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but today is Friday (speaking in terms of yesterday), meaning today, Saturday, must be tomorrow. < 1302362646 126455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Sunday comes after. < 1302362665 558280 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday: the most extreme day of the week. < 1302362675 932697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why made this? < 1302362699 623599 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you speaking of a person known as Why who seems to have made something? < 1302362715 377549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1302362728 71897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "Why" is an abbreviation for "why the lucky stiff". < 1302362735 936460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The this in question is Everyone is here... in the future! http://everyoneishereinthefuture.com/one.html. < 1302362750 716079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the question _also_ sounds like a weird grammatical ... oddity < 1302362809 964137 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's the guy that made that poignant guide to Ruby. < 1302362813 185998 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What in Jebus' name < 1302362820 434602 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHY < 1302362825 50406 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he trying to make a point, or just smoking a lot of pot? < 1302362845 98098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Everyone is here in the future! < 1302362886 702813 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: < 1302362892 388823 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is here in the future EXCEPT FOR WHY < 1302362894 409332 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1302362914 379293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just SKIPPED AHEAD INTO THE EVEN FURTHER FUTURE < 1302363195 280599 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302363658 152901 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302363840 439036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.tenshu.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/2007-07-29-terminator-02-large21.png <-- GUI screen :P < 1302363913 731993 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1302363941 799286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.tenshu.net/terminator/ < 1302364026 95299 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLOWEST LOADING PAGE EVER YESSSSSSSS < 1302364287 305156 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there version control systems where the changesets form a category (a cs is an arrow)? < 1302364358 299817 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs? < 1302364478 544019 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was thinking of something else < 1302364488 25596 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically of being able to reach any combination of changesets < 1302364656 668232 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say you'd take any set of changes, and it would generate code that is valid < 1302364688 457644 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wouldn't do much (e.g. define functions which don't get called) but it would still be correct code that does what you want it to (hence you only selected those changesets) < 1302364763 237961 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty much the goal of darcs's theory of patches < 1302364766 359607 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302364781 118178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the goal of darcs' theory of patches is to look reasonable if you don't look too closely < 1302364819 868723 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: cool, how is that different from e.g. what bzr does? < 1302364892 61156 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know bzr, so I don't know < 1302364936 461670 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302365144 377327 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but git stores files instead of changesets, so the idea doesn't really arise < 1302365154 906390 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah git is stupid < 1302365243 776036 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Understanding_Darcs/Patch_theory < 1302365305 809472 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri796Hx8las < 1302365338 357784 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :question "plz compare hg to perforce and are you gonna use hg?" answer: "at google we are unique in that we have one giant repository for everything." < 1302365500 754343 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... is unique. < 1302365501 116802 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: reading, thanx < 1302365511 581207 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302365511 891440 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, lol. < 1302365523 820029 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEY NEED SCAPE🐐 < 1302365525 417323 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: probably the worst google talk i've seen. < 1302365533 434207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What, patch theory? < 1302365541 153626 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google < 1302365555 972708 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh yeah, you have cheater00 blocked, don'tcha :P < 1302365557 167445 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and they don't seem to have sandwiches there, which they had on all talks i've been to < 1302365601 579642 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEY NEED 🐐 SANDWICHES < 1302365607 279180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamwiches. < 1302365700 949082 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that looks really cool < 1302365732 790865 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: but what if i have one changeset A which defines s_list, and another which adds pasta to s_list < 1302365740 864289 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that one is called B < 1302365756 689813 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: and i ONLY apply B. will that define s_list with the sole element of pasta? < 1302365769 490058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HMPH < 1302365814 421576 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what is this unicode character you are using? < 1302365817 738588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, 🐐 <-- whoa, that shows up as [01F410], which is quite a bit longer than usual. What is it supposed to be? < 1302365866 878868 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: too slow! :p < 1302365867 29240 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐐 regrets your inability to render him. < 1302365909 259626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, point me to a font that has it. < 1302365919 612647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that I could get on linux < 1302365994 644690 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To my knowledge there is no font that supports it yet, but it is in Unicode so nyaa. < 1302366009 585885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you can't see it either? < 1302366018 378848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so what is it supposed to be? < 1302366026 471058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's GOAT. < 1302366040 891602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My 🐐 has a 🐐ee. < 1302366051 338091 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302366106 10113 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, gogling for it turns up nothing relevant. Only a handful hits. And in all cases it is memory addresses or MAC addresses instead. < 1302366109 130904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so wtf < 1302366140 252890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, which unicode version should I look in for this? < 1302366140 403009 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your refusal to support the new era of Unicode GOAT disappoints me. < 1302366156 123293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, is this from the private use area? < 1302366173 357 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no, that's not part of Unicode X_X < 1302366178 599866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302366187 905418 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is this in version 6 or version 7? < 1302366190 449322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f410/index.htm < 1302366193 594481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :second google result for "unicode goat" < 1302366198 628879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal is either a liar or can't type two words < 1302366233 861885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I googled for 1f410... (and U+1f410 and so on). Weird I got no hits on that < 1302366240 38428 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth, it's also the first result for "u+1f410" < 1302366289 185031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I typed an extra zero at the start. Which should be equivalent. And was how text rendering showed it here (probably rounds up to even number of hex digits) < 1302366324 409894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are there other animals around that code point or what? < 1302366326 359321 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it find the page if you search without the zero? < 1302366327 415356 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly not Google-equivalent. < 1302366339 120077 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a zodiac sign. < 1302366352 654627 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, yep it finds it then < 1302366356 77581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aha < 1302366410 204495 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f3e9/index.htm <-- another zodiac sign < 1302366451 982028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, that's an emoji < 1302366454 113272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302366553 379863 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1302366556 880293 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born under that sign. < 1302366687 159601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor was also born in the Year of the Whorehouse. < 1302366691 978892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Chinese Year < 1302366864 312558 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "love hotel" < 1302367041 369766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, love hotel is the zodiac sign, silly. < 1302367510 257646 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3O3UHSGLng < 1302367560 486666 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368265 432169 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368550 246523 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302368648 163583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368688 339880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1302368708 817517 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1302368709 470695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302368716 708688 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1302368717 393015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 2h 20m 36s ago: Is blatant, persistent lying a bannable offence days? < 1302368738 273060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1302368741 430972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember typing that < 1302368746 475506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's not even grammatical. < 1302368776 645488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders if _someone_ didn't know that lambdabot could give messages in public
< 1302368820 694549 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively it _could_ be that the message is self-referential < 1302368839 203520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume the latter for the peace of the channel. < 1302368906 468073 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PART :#esoteric < 1302368958 295422 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302368963 95037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho hum < 1302368963 531288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302368968 575520 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1302368968 963664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lying_scum said 29s ago: Yes, that may be so. < 1302368983 746263 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like lambdabot is easy to fool < 1302369012 309016 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly leaving the channel before changing nick was excessive) < 1302369050 94518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i also wanted to check that lambdabot accepted privmsges outside the channel, so no. < 1302369118 465063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302369391 589139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1302369395 366695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :357) [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1302369480 779560 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1302369673 727547 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302369699 594594 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302369762 562335 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think fogcreek could be a good place to work? < 1302369792 86605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so now, how about a game of mangle-the-theorem? < 1302369872 98514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1302369876 698687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302369881 301726 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you < 1302369887 500315 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302369893 423731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were answering cheater00 weren't you < 1302369895 413852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302369907 311232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sheds tear
< 1302369909 693496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even notice his message actually < 1302369913 886906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1302369920 588727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you < 1302369921 81352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302369931 603179 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i could play with you :p < 1302369938 565462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he pinged me but somehow my brain assumed that was just the "haha" message i'd already read < 1302369951 339695 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have no idea what fogcreek is < 1302369967 770824 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302369969 88206 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1302369981 825268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302369990 741666 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302369993 441772 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :joel spolsky? < 1302369996 264605 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :joel on software? < 1302369998 600701 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack overflow? < 1302370001 887323 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fogbugz? kiln? < 1302370011 71477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i know the first three there < 1302370016 184350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that his firm? < 1302370021 29622 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302370034 40435 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i posted a link to their "work for us" ad < 1302370051 544226 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3O3UHSGLng < 1302370067 113043 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely not the person to ask, anyway. < 1302370079 502101 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1302370086 717689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to find a nontrivial one that fits in an irc message < 1302370096 486846 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they said "hey oerjan, come work for us" would you do it? < 1302370108 806487 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely. < 1302370119 465064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it means going to the US < 1302370129 932696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have a professor spot opening afaik < 1302370173 596376 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say their offices were in a big city near to where you live < 1302370180 860088 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would that change anything? < 1302370199 884031 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _really_ know who they are, beyond presumably running stack overflow. < 1302370219 60625 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also not really a programmer. < 1302370231 294940 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you then? < 1302370251 380250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my education is mathematics. < 1302370257 445548 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's mine < 1302370392 894569 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they needed a mathematician < 1302370470 770913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302370480 82072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you "need" a mathematician :D < 1302370541 967669 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say you're doing something like realtime and need some differential equations solved < 1302370551 209267 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or need someone to help you implement a kalman filter < 1302370567 333135 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or need someone to tell you how to optimize your search algorithm < 1302370802 525078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my former coauthor rustad did manage to get a job in the oil industry, i think he's mostly doing numerical simulations < 1302370844 587263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to make a complaint about the use of "manage" in that sentece < 1302370846 745219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sentence < 1302370875 749921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as someone with mainly math education < 1302370894 929452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he did take a few courses on petroleum simulation though) < 1302371007 777164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't see what's wrong with that "manage" < 1302371110 658182 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i'd've rephrased "had to get an inferior job at some stupid oil thingie" < 1302371120 488046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed sounds like he actually wanted to < 1302371135 27753 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302371149 719430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he did sort of give up on staying at university < 1302371177 915389 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't enough openings < 1302371305 58369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sad that the society tries to force even the intelligent people to do meaningless shit < 1302372326 529807 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302374589 557348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302375411 686157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302375704 316031 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302376940 911145 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://placekitten.com/ < 1302377699 654972 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302377824 680765 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302377908 621607 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302378909 736157 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://software.jessies.org/terminator/ < 1302378919 263562 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost thought elliott had been involved in this < 1302378922 783153 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out its elliott hughs < 1302378923 608371 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothurd < 1302378929 327599 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hird < 1302379097 510851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302379107 276446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i've actually used terminator and some other software by him. < 1302379112 417030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evergreen, lwm) < 1302379121 729501 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SKYNET IS YOUR FAULT < 1302379133 437995 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU AHVE MAGIC D: < 1302379146 335533 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hey dude < 1302379191 556449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pls make http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92 less ugly and unreadable < 1302379200 839170 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that < 1302379204 971048 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(less ugly) and (unreadable) < 1302379210 118612 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or less (ugly and unreadable) < 1302379224 932293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1302379226 976209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1302379233 257061 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure! < 1302379243 76067 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never know if you want your wikis like your programing languages < 1302379275 483143 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302379327 988405 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302379476 334925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS NOT UGLY. < 1302379550 999703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1302379559 339752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paragraph spacing is all off because of the line height being off < 1302379562 559598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of subscripts and superscripts < 1302379578 69028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see first two paragraphs in computational class section < 1302379582 204157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like my new user page < 1302379585 101674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ehird < 1302379612 603897 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RECENT DIFFS ARE KIND OF HARD TO READ < 1302379615 841554 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302379626 700402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's pretty < 1302379633 553336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here's the lowdown: FUCK HTML < 1302379635 805722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302379637 190380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely < 1302379639 768376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK MEDIAWIKI'S IDEA OF HTML < 1302379646 980016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expands his invention list
< 1302379682 161200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you be reinventing the web? < 1302379696 660196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what, in @? < 1302379772 395351 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302379776 755378 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302379817 719415 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking html is actually a good idea < 1302379864 597896 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(said he, noticing that tim berners-lee has just signed on to freenode.) < 1302380019 560360 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302381032 129996 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1302381095 976537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302381105 60409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302381225 622888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I fear you're overusing [[Category:Shameful]]; the more things it's on, the less the impact < 1302381257 371826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's my language! < 1302381276 209887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if I didn't mark it shameful I'd have to commit seppuku or something < 1302381286 900168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT OK FINE YOU WIN < 1302381344 119861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Shameful]] was funnier when it was only on one language < 1302381409 890054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's hard to argue it doesn't belong on FURscript < 1302381437 104398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, errr, it looks like the author of BrainFNORD added it to theirs < 1302381452 925265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people are adding it to their own langs, what is the world coming to? < 1302381455 394956 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :furscript, a language for furries? < 1302381493 953812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll remove it from brainfnord, it's only as shameful as Ook! < 1302381506 234837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH's brain-bricking is sufficient punishment for that, we don't need it to be marked shameful too < 1302381511 142040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it appears to be just a list of random commands < 1302381541 456031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how every time i edit my user page it completely clogs up recent changes < 1302381544 465174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE AIS523 BROKE THE PREVIEW BUTTON < 1302381579 676610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i've produced the best nesting of html tags ever < 1302381579 826870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it triggers on attempts even to show the source code, though < 1302381583 269728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b > i > u > a > font < 1302381602 901142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, just clicking to edit the page doesn't, I don't think? < 1302381616 226663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if you have preview on edit turne don < 1302381617 602437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turned on < 1302381623 238306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well turn it off then :D < 1302381627 135969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a wiki like Esolang, it's normally a very useful feature < 1302381717 426043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, too late to back out of paying $100 < 1302381769 773301 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : BECAUSE AIS523 BROKE THE PREVIEW BUTTON <-- what! < 1302381775 930017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ais523 -----###
< 1302381789 577895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't break it, I changed it so that it was impossible for a page to change the entire edit interface < 1302381801 956797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which prevents ehird's page breaking everyone else's attempts to edit it < 1302381817 254997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my < 1302381829 718740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else uses that feature :) < 1302381852 861906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just realised calling you ehird there was not a mistake but technically correct < 1302381860 29379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the user page belongs to ehird < 1302381864 570235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the IRC persion is elliott < 1302381872 761613 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :persion = person version < 1302382046 947668 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um so previewing other pages won't clog up recent changes? < 1302382059 218211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: previewing any page doesn't clog up recent changes < 1302382063 101176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even elliott's < 1302382080 498242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that elliott's page no longer replaces the entire interface when previewed, and he claims that's broken as it doesn't look like he wants it to look then < 1302382138 597884 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so it's only that he cannot see the result properly without saving < 1302382300 190598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : well turn it off then :D <-- that's a personal preference, which i incidentally _do_ have set < 1302382373 717145 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: < 1302382376 651275 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%28Programmiersprache%29 < 1302382427 788229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E, the secure distributed pure-object platform and p2p scripting language." < 1302382841 592035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is E a scripting language? < 1302382882 23484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what are you like as a person < 1302382913 61787 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCRIPTVM EST < 1302382992 133671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "what are you? like a person?" yes, I'm very similar to a person :D < 1302382998 403293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :È SCRITTO < 1302383005 774304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I like to believe, anyway < 1302383034 559101 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point of fact: < 1302383036 142065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you seem to have made a tokenization error < 1302383048 215384 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worfs first language (maybe second, but certainly native) was almost certainly belarussan < 1302383073 286065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, thought it was funnier tokenized my way, so I retokenized it < 1302383090 551049 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: YOU MISSED A WORD < 1302383121 117037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the difference is that elliott's page no longer replaces the entire interface when previewed, and he claims that's broken as it doesn't look like he wants it to look then < 1302383127 538207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, to clarify, it looks NOTHING like the result < 1302383132 409170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I removed it < 1302383133 548033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be fine if it just showed it and then the edit view < 1302383138 951746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just turns into a mess < 1302383149 423882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah so it's only that he cannot see the result properly without saving < 1302383150 639461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302383475 780376 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://demos.sonivoxmi.com/sonicimplantssoundfontenstrings.mp3 <-- I'm trying to decide if this demo reel is good enough to be worth dropping the money on the soundfont ... < 1302383488 307031 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1302383502 258559 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... not great ... but for strings, not terrible. < 1302383522 494988 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a really nice DOS game theme song < 1302383560 699052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strings sound a bit artificial to me. < 1302383565 761391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd be amazed if they DIDN'T. < 1302383583 590231 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings are a bitch X_X < 1302383621 78037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does the soundfont cost < 1302383623 759937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws some "" at Gregor
< 1302383636 89826 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$49.95? < 1302383653 403590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting from Gregor-money that's like 3 cents, go for it! [UNICODE TROLL FACE] < 1302383722 932302 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard that some people at the acoustics lab are dabbling with physics-based string instrument synthesis. I have no idea how good their things are; probably not very. They might not have any demos available. < 1302383741 862531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, better than the state of speech to text. < 1302383744 302718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;DDDDD < 1302383763 270523 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a kantele synthesis thing, which I guess is pretty obscure. < 1302383788 650599 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No new papers on that after 2005, so I guess it's not an active project.) < 1302383804 939419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. More active than speech-to-text. < 1302383826 212372 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Research and synthesis of the tanbur, a traditional Turkish long-necked lute, the ud, a short-necked arabic lute, and the Renaissance lute." < 1302383866 359715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish can't ele < 1302383950 443840 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a guitar remade to be more ud-like < 1302383993 718120 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean karplus strong synthesis? < 1302384020 285785 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: what did they change? < 1302384084 192826 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :switched the neck to rosewood, removed the frets, filled the slots with something, polished it < 1302384112 688650 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, normal uds have shorter necks relative to the body size, and double course strings < 1302384126 491711 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, flatwound strings from now on, to reduce wear on the neck) < 1302384138 620734 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stratocaster copy < 1302384274 821435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfghjkl < 1302384361 171434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He left the site for a few days in October 2008, following a bitter feud over whether the Spanish Inquisition constituted British comedy." < 1302384443 622322 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that is an oud < 1302384448 64300 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a fretless guitar? < 1302384460 516441 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :flatwounds are fun < 1302384465 477303 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't sound so nice tho < 1302384492 913197 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole spanish institution was just a british joke that got very out of hand < 1302384498 564286 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inquisition < 1302384505 726713 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: it is more like an oud now than before, though < 1302384509 737488 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats his hands -----###
< 1302384518 969660 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I play a lot of jazz, so flatwounds fit in that style < 1302384524 877383 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the rosewood make so much difference? < 1302384560 35488 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maple isn't good on fretless guitars < 1302384584 4333 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a fretless guitar is immediately an oud? :p < 1302384587 579232 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1302384590 577527 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does get much closer < 1302384610 935966 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a defining thing for the oud was the thick neck < 1302384613 117342 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruments aren't really a discretely classifiable all the time < 1302384634 400213 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I think rather something more physically accurate, or at least more complicated; but I don't really know what they've done. Short description for the latest kantele paper says: "Two algorithms for simulating tension modulated strings (e.g. kantele strings) are presented: a spatially distributed waveguide model and a finite difference model. The waveguide model is essentially the same as below, whereas the finite difference model uses time-domain inte < 1302384634 589294 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpolation for modulating the wave velocities. Stability issues for both models are discussed." < 1302384648 211534 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some classificcations, what's considered distinct for ouds is picked strings + fretless < 1302384676 101422 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not very common - ouds and shamisen, basically? < 1302384683 267645 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds like karplus-strong to me < 1302384699 796366 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i read waveguide as waveshaper for some reason < 1302384700 469531 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1302384703 22156 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shamisen is distinct by having cat- or dogskin < 1302384732 870130 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the skin used? < 1302384744 424898 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, fretless instruments are not uncommon < 1302384754 578431 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "below" refers to: "Nonlinear kantele strings are modeled using a waveguide string with spatially distributed fractional delay filters. When the delay time of the fractional delay filters is varied, tension modulation nonlinearity can be simulated." So I guess it's sort-of related in any case. < 1302384782 314557 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: most fretless are bowed, though < 1302384790 834402 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the distinct thing about the oud < 1302384821 281259 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shamisen is a bit like a banjo: it's stretched around a frame < 1302384838 453336 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bridge rests on the skin < 1302384887 148583 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plucked fretless insturments are more common in the far east < 1302384983 862140 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok right < 1302384992 667602 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ya they are < 1302385021 454167 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recent musical instrument discovery was the nyckelharpa < 1302385041 118304 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are cool. < 1302385058 156499 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my buddy is an expert on those < 1302385068 946691 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got like a zillion cds on them < 1302385083 577587 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he lent me one, he said i'm not so bad for someone who never held a bow in his life < 1302385158 109684 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I am practicing a lot of microtonal sales < 1302385160 404726 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scales < 1302385170 441936 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyckelharpas are microtonal < 1302385171 697238 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302385182 204889 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302385194 780642 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: that's up to how you tune them, no? < 1302385195 769503 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really.. with fretless.. you're mostly doing glissandos, and listening to the beats between your voicings and other people's < 1302385197 35883 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302385202 904523 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't tune nyckelharpas. < 1302385212 468759 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have fixed scales. they're sort-of fretted. < 1302385216 5659 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1302385218 990159 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strings < 1302385226 229997 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you tune those to pure fifths or somesuch? < 1302385227 315010 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one right way to tune the strings < 1302385243 163635 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDAE or something like that, i don't remember < 1302385247 33224 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, are the fixed scales just intonation? < 1302385257 200127 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1302385272 459498 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has keys, a keyboard, you can't re-tune a single key < 1302385297 715164 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like < 1302385300 997273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the keys *pre-set* < 1302385308 980375 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1302385309 130513 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be just-intonationish? < 1302385312 398012 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302385316 530859 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not necessarily < 1302385329 651726 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the harpa you have, there's no exactly single set standard < 1302385342 488357 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't even a single standard for the keyboard, which is a problem in its own right < 1302385343 731576 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by them being microtonal then? < 1302385353 428946 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn a fingering technique on one and it doesn't work on another one < 1302385371 748044 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that they have tones in steps smaller than the semitone < 1302385379 910273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302385386 745098 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so roughly how is that scale constructed? < 1302385388 844861 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my definition of microtonality < 1302385403 491199 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I include any thing that is not exactly 12-tet in microtonal music < 1302385405 60773 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti dunno < 1302385415 922440 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just traditional < 1302385427 733529 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because like, even if you have quartertones, the usual use of those in music that has them would be the neutral second < 1302385428 885123 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know those things already existed in the 14th century < 1302385435 387207 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you seldom actually use the quartertone < 1302385462 645651 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it microtonal then? < 1302385475 248950 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the main non-standard step is three quartertones, not one? < 1302385481 621246 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it's not 12 tone equal temp < 1302385487 449308 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but like < 1302385490 403865 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 7-tet microtonal? < 1302385496 968519 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not equal temp < 1302385507 444330 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an equal temperament < 1302385510 341511 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some weird wacky tuning i don't know < 1302385514 974428 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it is < 1302385519 442287 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the harp < 1302385520 459534 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302385522 993346 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyckelharp < 1302385526 448536 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those aren't equal temp < 1302385538 948528 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal temps were basically only theoretically known until the 19th c. < 1302385548 384973 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we got the technology to actually tune them < 1302385562 289615 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302385589 807191 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, re: microtonality, there's a bunch of good just-inotnation intervals outside of 12-tet that sound good in rock and blues and jazz and so on < 1302385594 93409 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the seventh harmonic is one of those < 1302385608 173970 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about a sixth-tone flat from the dominant seventh < 1302385646 230531 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i find with fretless it's less important to think about scales < 1302385651 993850 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more important to think about clusters < 1302385663 989906 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clusters? < 1302385671 546013 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's basically a way to put your fingers < 1302385674 514953 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302385675 272497 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they support eachother < 1302385679 656602 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never use that term like that < 1302385684 583732 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you repeatedly can hit the same intervals < 1302385699 491975 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I normally use it to signify stacked second-chords) < 1302385709 537247 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302385711 525589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302385715 788445 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm mostly talking out of my ass :D < 1302385723 673664 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i might be using the term wrongly < 1302385734 651867 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scales decompose into parts, though < 1302385737 378307 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, if you're doing fretless, you end up doing a lot of small glissandos anyways < 1302385738 413579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacked second chords? < 1302385742 127283 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one can learn to repeat a bit like such "clusters" < 1302385756 395597 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what you get if you strike your hand down on a piano on keys that are next to each other < 1302385759 148039 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like AHC#D#F < 1302385766 157485 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the important bit is to quickly hit a sonorous or discordant chord quickly < 1302385766 320605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1302385769 362801 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302385819 313393 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I actually had my guitar tuned so I'd easily get clusters < 1302385827 515489 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with full on dist, it was a pretty neat thing < 1302385836 629776 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work out nice in some avant-punk style < 1302385848 637737 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tuning is A Eb A Eb A Eb A < 1302385876 303883 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1302385879 367997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302385884 377302 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1302385893 534106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302385894 736577 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes ower chords a tad awkward < 1302385900 18187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best i've come up with < 1302385904 326855 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302385906 713723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are ower chords < 1302385912 113639 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*power chords < 1302385913 63973 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like power chords < 1302385914 605180 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my p-key sucs < 1302385918 147336 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with one finger less < 1302385921 794460 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my k-key too < 1302385925 74263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used AEADGCF previously < 1302385926 999463 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302385946 365499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i just use A Eb A chords < 1302385949 924681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1302385963 902706 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what styles do you play? < 1302385984 895683 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing currently, but hopefully starting a new project soon < 1302386000 509683 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what styles interest you, then? < 1302386021 613398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK-JiyDbp7E here's my current favorite band prolly < 1302386044 785512 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1302386051 243259 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly that stuff. < 1302386053 413566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is potatoes < 1302386084 682036 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I understand why you'd tune your guitar in tritones < 1302386093 84678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i also like playing simple stuff < 1302386124 979234 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have considered switching to a seven-string string-set on my guitar, because the high e sounds a bit too muffled now < 1302386125 536550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: it's not guaranteed we'll get it to work even for metal, but i like trying crazy things. < 1302386221 890572 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to introduce some microtonal harmonies into all kinds of genres. < 1302386231 906832 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but another dream I have is to arrange a lot of death metal classics for big band < 1302386244 992233 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa, arrange a lot of swing classics as death metal < 1302386259 190847 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should do it with black metal instead and just wait for the death threats < 1302386274 980357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to hear faceless played with something like an orchestra < 1302386293 645729 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing some metal bands have of < 1302386298 952274 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing things with a classical orchestra < 1302386308 308086 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find it somewhat pretentious, and I don't think it sounds that good, ultimately) < 1302386312 463905 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun doing that with a big band instead < 1302386330 538417 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or math core with a woman's choir < 1302386340 785229 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*women's < 1302386341 111387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302386342 128705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing faceless with a classical orchestra would be nowhere close to what metal people do with orchestras < 1302386361 601363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use an orchestra you aren't allowed to use guitars of any kind < 1302386366 434206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them's the rules < 1302386378 268420 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually considered for a while to try and get a band together that'd do like < 1302386408 115532 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively complex three-voice (or even four-voice) arrangements of metal songs < 1302386409 94589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASzIvMddyxA <<< the squeak thing the guitars keep repeating here, consider 3 violins playing a high cluster < 1302386410 962112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm < 1302386429 561629 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some angel dust-era faith no more and that kind of style < 1302386434 671795 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with three or four female vocalists < 1302386474 604560 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what sucks, any attempt to combine metal and classical < 1302386484 253286 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302386486 732005 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even worse < 1302386489 125543 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people fawning over it < 1302386497 123336 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the metalheads that think "metal is the new classical" < 1302386507 791743 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a sense it is < 1302386507 966958 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not - one fucking rule: parallel fifths, man! < 1302386512 576066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jazz is the new metal < 1302386516 809890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS < 1302386518 780875 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what sense would that be? < 1302386533 519475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that metal is where the interesting stuff happens nowadays < 1302386540 706075 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1302386547 953853 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting stuff happens in far underground places. < 1302386550 272231 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in every genre. < 1302386557 770181 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i suppose < 1302386558 294083 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that it's one of the few remaining genres where people are interested in technical ability < 1302386584 701337 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's melody-based, roughly < 1302386587 634067 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yeah but throughout common practice, parallel fifths were banned, and common practice is still pretty important a guideline for what to consider properly classical < 1302386595 597192 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: no, that's bullshit < 1302386598 860633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302386602 162566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define classical :P < 1302386609 140571 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallel fifths are like the rule about not ending a sentence with a preposition < 1302386614 145075 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a real thing < 1302386619 74755 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure, they do occur < 1302386619 759861 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in metal < 1302386623 576391 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the fucking bread and butter < 1302386626 411423 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of every fucing song < 1302386627 165107 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1302386632 218270 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in metal they're part of chords < 1302386638 231777 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like they're part of chords everywhere else < 1302386639 443504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really relevant is it < 1302386640 726947 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1302386645 211005 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_voice leading_ < 1302386645 872895 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that in metal there's nothing else in those chords :) < 1302386646 194482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this prescriptivist detail differs, THERE IS NO RELATION!!!!" < 1302386652 719714 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in metal, there's no voice leading < 1302386659 617574 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very primitive such < 1302386668 976887 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in much classical, too < 1302386684 587014 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should think of a power chord as one voice < 1302386689 817964 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the metalheads that fawn over it < 1302386690 33390 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not two separate parallel voices < 1302386694 29292 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare metal to the great masters < 1302386695 209116 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what it sounds like < 1302386697 17539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tripped over my power chord < 1302386698 743245 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to the hoi polloi composers < 1302386712 20095 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: and the reason why they're forbidden is that it sounds like one voice. < 1302386718 234362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's the first time i've ever seen anyone actually wite hoi polloi < 1302386719 245081 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1302386729 315303 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: so? < 1302386735 768950 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool guitars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXaIwvXa3SI < 1302386741 294851 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do sound like one voice < 1302386744 762448 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that bad? < 1302386766 937405 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of organ voices play several notes an octave apart < 1302386768 381148 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well my main objection really is that the metalheads that do fawn over how it's the new classical are just pretentious fucks < 1302386785 119224 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: every instrument has frequencies octaves apart < 1302386790 990812 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever tone you play < 1302386796 354587 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, same with fifths < 1302386798 195108 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but another dream I have is to arrange a lot of death metal classics for big band <-- iiuc you'd have to change your nick to Sverdvoll then... < 1302386811 318895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302386861 138610 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: actually there's usually no overtone at the fifth < 1302386864 367479 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at the fifth's octave, though < 1302386871 434865 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1302386874 184493 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't give a fuck < 1302386877 214196 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the third's octave's octave, etc < 1302386890 424699 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is a power chord is supposed to sound like one thick sound < 1302386894 816007 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the only thing metal shares with classical is fascination with technique < 1302386899 676293 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some classical had fascination with voice leading < 1302386916 485406 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's easier to find in pop music these days! < 1302386928 896530 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tho' it's probably most prominent in jazz) < 1302386979 220746 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1302386982 176447 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone could find some reason to claim having inherited something from classical < 1302387485 385786 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302387669 169334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" that makes ower chords a tad awkward" erm why? do you use all fifths or what < 1302387686 843914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :power chords are easier with tritone tuning than with all fourths < 1302387707 683388 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but if you want a full seven-string power chord, ... < 1302387716 188277 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not DADADAD < 1302387719 359640 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1302387723 292 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADADADA < 1302387758 27615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like playing scales over fifth jumps, and i don't like having different jumps between strings < 1302387761 404739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not smart enough for that < 1302387790 814175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could never really learn the guitar before i retuned it to all-fourths < 1302387794 234485 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302387797 880335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slight exaggeration there < 1302387808 36843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it always annoyed me < 1302387850 122207 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the G-H thing does help a lot with some chord voicings if you need them < 1302387864 643877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302387869 304421 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... I wouldn't really need them < 1302387878 248529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't do chords that much < 1302387883 896791 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have noticed sccales are more natural on the five-stringed bass than on a normal guitar < 1302387892 150269 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I do chords, I generally either play classical stuff or jazz < 1302387909 353358 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in jazz, you can play pretty minimalistic voicings < 1302387976 795160 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what voicings are < 1302387982 849253 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in english < 1302388028 862841 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way you arrange the tones of the chord < 1302388034 577642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1302388073 133881 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you play a G7 in jazz, you'll prolly have a G (or a D), an F and a H < 1302388078 352077 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some order < 1302388081 151199 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1302388100 788005 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the previous and next chords, and so on < 1302388123 735469 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one common way of playing that would be 3x34xx < 1302388154 766107 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho' x534xx would intrude less on the bass territory < 1302388207 506283 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xx34x3 could also work < 1302388222 512793 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xx343x definitely works < 1302388239 508784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm seeing a pattern here < 1302388251 556425 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a 3-subset of the chord! < 1302388286 327986 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some just play the tritone < 1302388289 443093 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xx34xx < 1302388302 10664 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the most dissonant part of the chord, and hence the most defining part of it < 1302388310 185086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can play almost anything in context < 1302388312 926324 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can do some substitutions < 1302388316 139425 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like < 1302388326 36248 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a G7, you can play a C#/ < 1302388370 791137 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be xx342x < 1302388392 250274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing stuff in C major? < 1302388411 513952 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if we're in C maj, G7 ~= C#7 < 1302388416 231519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just in general you can stick a C# in a G7? < 1302388428 4222 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the / was a typo < 1302388435 891066 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a song with the chord progression < 1302388444 432153 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C Dmin G7 C < 1302388445 876916 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what sucks? jazz < 1302388446 894980 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can switch it to < 1302388451 721833 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C Dmin C#7 C < 1302388459 680685 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a nice chromatic desscent < 1302388508 24402 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also probably switch the G7 to a G#min6? < 1302388583 775292 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dmin6 probably won't cover as a substitute dominant though? < 1302388634 937027 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we can agree on all kinds of random shit sounding good < 1302388685 250846 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it's far from random < 1302388694 85540 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jazz theory is a prescriptivist paradise < 1302388699 626112 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what kind of grammar modern treatments of harmony require to be expressed < 1302388706 927356 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ see < 1302388714 154470 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: jazz approach is far more descriptive than prescriptive < 1302388721 572557 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the jazz approach < 1302388740 596273 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone invents something and it sounds good? theorists will want to explain why it sounds good, and come up with a description < 1302388749 428875 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :others read waht he did, and learn from it < 1302388766 677835 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302388780 856286 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play chess, where if player coughs, he loses one of his pawns. < 1302388784 601009 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and they can all go fuck themselves. what a bunch of losers. < 1302388793 334411 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302388805 62344 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I guess that's your business, to tell them that? < 1302388827 962721 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302388841 653656 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite prescriptive in my approach to jazz < 1302388891 679628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better than the approach to music i've seen among the metal people i know, "just play whatever sounds good" < 1302388905 247199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although lament loves that stuff because he's gay < 1302388916 832713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounding good is just a distraction < 1302389015 843882 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what music should sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79rHMifBODs < 1302389033 80914 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAFTpLzMerw < 1302389091 860355 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302389138 222858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not getting it < 1302389148 68068 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the atmosphere tho < 1302389156 571779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work in an elevator < 1302389171 750788 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same musician has composed both of those) < 1302389178 416783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like poosician < 1302389208 562925 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different music should sound like different! Including, piano, organ, harp, computer, equal temperant, just intonation, Bohlen-Pierce, slow, fast, loud, quiet, major, minor, etc. < 1302389219 201889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ words of wisdom < 1302389226 828372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite instrument is the quiet < 1302389245 317254 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite instrument is the shut the fuck up < 1302389250 314695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the quiet is an instrument...? < 1302389286 3538 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quiet is the best instrument < 1302389288 195918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: can you set +m for a while, that would be awesome < 1302389288 928943 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if used sparsely < 1302389294 680247 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1302389295 783255 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equal temperament is not an instrument either, although most musical instruments can be used with it. < 1302389298 505376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: my second-favourite instrument is the loud < 1302389309 16132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made entire albums just by alternating quiet and loud < 1302389313 792229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO VERSATILE < 1302389327 667806 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds like a rather revolutionary approach to music < 1302389335 701009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: sometimes < 1302389340 305780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: i even play the MEDIUM VOLUME < 1302389346 253665 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought quiet and loud never existed in mixed ensembles? < 1302389346 730585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1302389356 753985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm feeling really avant garde < 1302389358 671274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i play the slow < 1302389366 263752 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why you can use the pianoforte instrument to make an album that alternates quiet and loud, and even medium volume. (Commonly the pianoforte is called "piano" for short) < 1302389378 487368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMONLY < 1302389383 966772 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the slow is old, though < 1302389386 454227 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the 80s < 1302389390 602376 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrash musicians invented the fast < 1302389396 41353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302389400 952257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think THRASH fuckers invented the fast? < 1302389405 490823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really ARE a clueless moron < 1302389408 456894 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they only used with loud < 1302389410 575021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beethoven invented the fast in 1994 < 1302389426 114166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway fuck you all, i'm going to go play the just intonation < 1302389444 562102 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my dick a musical instrument < 1302389462 665349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the just intonation is an euphemism for the penis < 1302389463 90362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1302389463 617236 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: blow it and tell us if it made a sound! < 1302389486 882888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite instrument is the minor < 1302389490 361709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do you play the fast with it? < 1302389496 69675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound it makes when you blow it is just incredible < 1302389503 839117 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but those are illegal to riff on < 1302389519 575105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i even smash my just intonation into the minor to make some music < 1302389532 173770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one such piece i performed is titled "My Penis in A Minor", you can find it on the googles. < 1302389535 555151 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and playing licks on the minor gets you behind bars < 1302389536 46790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because he actually is a pedophile < 1302389543 327739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is precisely why it is funny. < 1302389559 679023 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, he likes the girls on his class < 1302389568 337809 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302389572 556538 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you still 12? < 1302389575 784626 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? he's like 12 < 1302389581 226160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: no, i'm now actually 11 < 1302389585 138422 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302390263 228884 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i heard there's some overlap between bands who do heavy metal like what you linked, and dark psy < 1302390266 307143 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough < 1302390277 885007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dark psy < 1302390278 800031 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because the tempo's the same and they're both scary-music genres < 1302390282 47086 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like uh < 1302390285 360783 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me link you to something < 1302390286 905966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary-music genres? < 1302390301 516746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the faceless mostly sings about aliens and space stuff < 1302390308 666993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they try to be very scary < 1302390334 89002 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqprNp2J1wQ < 1302390377 727587 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the antifaceless. that's the faceful. < 1302390387 192854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the faceless? < 1302390404 643380 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the antifaceless be like the ... buttless? < 1302390432 304416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the buttful? < 1302390467 968659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Cz2dFTlSA < 1302390532 73520 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most progressive thing i've found that i can actually understand < 1302390535 216157 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302390548 336472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that progressive, but then again i'm not very smart < 1302390555 520225 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. < 1302390569 711224 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fixed point with 64-bit values usually faster, or are floating point operations usually faster? < 1302390586 232865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't give equivalent results, so how can we compare? < 1302390602 655455 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think xor will probably be even faster < 1302390612 558389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nop will probably be fastest of them all. < 1302390680 527612 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that faceless track is funny in a cheezy way < 1302390716 271342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny? you must have some sort of braindamage < 1302390723 840862 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302390725 428511 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant fun < 1302390729 247560 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not funny < 1302390729 397648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good < 1302390731 456630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate astronauts < 1302390735 266895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so funny < 1302390741 975238 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not brain damage, just past my bedtime < 1302390745 559897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very protective of my little facelessie < 1302390759 363284 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: faceless is FUNNY!!! < 1302390765 799689 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111eleven < 1302390780 802225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1302390787 883559 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1302390802 311432 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>:D < 1302390813 960290 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that song i just linked isn't really their best work < 1302390894 634574 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why it's so funny :-\ < 1302390916 39385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i should prolly listen to more stuff, but i have the same problem as with everything except math, i only listen to music because i want to *not* think for once, so i prefer listening to the same stuff over and over again. < 1302390933 684522 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's common enough < 1302390952 726282 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha same here < 1302390957 56932 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this issue.. < 1302390958 529717 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i mostly listen to < 1302390971 354443 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, i started listening to operas lately and it's good braindead music < 1302390976 701041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302390980 230830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it is < 1302390984 662733 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :palestrina is a good one < 1302390995 827748 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1302391005 536691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't get it, can you explain < 1302391010 497265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did get it) < 1302391015 677668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i'm not sure i'll get it) < 1302391104 932311 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry this is only for smart people < 1302391112 309054 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a high-brow one for ya < 1302391132 508588 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry though i bet you'll be fine watching your eastenders and eating your cod n chippies < 1302391138 234951 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very, very slow < 1302391140 936969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head < 1302391165 576194 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when others have gotten there i'm still like wait what < 1302391169 827467 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe one day you'll have a son who can only gain control of his left foot and will become a writer < 1302391176 836732 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll die of heart attack < 1302391190 715091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even get that reference < 1302391199 315682 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my left foot"? < 1302391213 974276 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that movie? it's a classic < 1302391222 683383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i've seen that on family guy < 1302391229 490819 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302391244 780465 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot, dot, dot < 1302391253 241351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so funny now that i know it's a reference to something < 1302391277 536533 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a reference to christy brown, a real person. < 1302391288 421685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's awesome < 1302391289 239204 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was his biopic < 1302391289 607428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :death < 1302391291 508950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah don't care < 1302391296 123548 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: totally go for it < 1302391310 598814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real persons are even worse than movies < 1302391318 729326 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make sure to send us a postcard from kerberos < 1302391323 143975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i will make a film about oklopol < 1302391327 843983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he'll hate me < 1302391330 627603 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302391337 317604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it'll just be like < 1302391341 981080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 minutes of constant oklopol fanboyism < 1302391354 906803 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but at least with real persons you don't have to rewind them after watching < 1302391355 470007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 minutes of me ircing naked in my armchair < 1302391365 191975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that yes < 1302391374 77590 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: isn't that the same < 1302391389 328008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i suppose < 1302391390 112496 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what better movie for oklopol fans than oklopol naked < 1302391397 836574 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ALL 120 minutes < 1302391408 173108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've linked a vid of me playing the piano naked here once < 1302391409 190956 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with the first second and ending with the last < 1302391415 401594 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not even dressing out < 1302391419 726345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched that! < 1302391422 285385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1302391426 445975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1302391427 129666 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just.. naked < 1302391440 920095 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyways < 1302391478 520671 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think there's some operatic heavy metal too < 1302391483 825041 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever listen to that stuff? < 1302391489 272803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1302391497 965968 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was totally into nightwish as a kid (i still like it) < 1302391619 625317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO7HvBLtt1g&feature=related this stuff < 1302391639 338028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302391645 199959 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird version but anyhoe < 1302391706 239359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really "operatic" at all i suppose < 1302391756 972654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZSTG7Y8UKOPL < 1302391954 633814 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302392455 688606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tswett character should be back now. < 1302392513 731251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1302392740 138267 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302392740 324978 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302392740 325109 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302392781 906730 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302392785 718064 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302392931 743193 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302394014 540862 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1302394031 224513 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely won't be present in any shape for about ten more minutes. < 1302394242 740694 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302394395 963875 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302394456 41555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302394619 456059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Okay. < 1302394655 71737 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I'm not here just yet. Give it one more minute. < 1302394690 640169 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION arrives.
< 1302394695 315771 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, everyone. How's it going? < 1302394696 24515 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302394718 586090 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302394720 786154 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302394803 172985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vardøger < 1302394927 605169 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent! < 1302395811 769779 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Only a true artist can fail to draw a perfect circle. < 1302395977 104605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi tswett. < 1302395998 91430 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi elliott. < 1302396029 864649 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you subtly hinting at something? < 1302396040 896788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1302396055 471492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will, however, note that you seem to be 40 minutes late. < 1302396057 698582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it 20 minutes early? < 1302396098 254319 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's 40 minutes late. < 1302396103 324843 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I arrived about 20 minutes ago. < 1302396772 585506 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goon date < 1302398029 750913 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's time for me to write a conductor program >_> < 1302398029 901448 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Gregor Brand Repeatability™ < 1302398066 570105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This snetence will neer be said again. < 1302398586 629462 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302398768 46039 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302398888 326976 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302399180 815657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like the page User:Ehird, it is too slow. < 1302399257 712407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, use a browser that was norn born out of NIH syndrome? < 1302399349 650807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is slow with all of them. < 1302399356 483604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them what? < 1302399369 208313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers? < 1302399372 142912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you have tried all browsers. < 1302399375 969321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, an HTML page cannot be inherently slow. < 1302399393 347669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are saying that it renders slowly, that is a factor of your hardware, and your entire software stack. I cannot help you. < 1302399412 703198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anything is forcing you to visit that page. < 1302399606 536021 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is better making the browser program that assumes HTML and scripts and stuff is all trying to control you, and refuses to render anything that might be slow, making whenever there is a timer to make a fading effect or sliding effect, speeds it up and does not render the frames in between, and that the script doesn't know your actual screen size, won't load all the images/CSS if there is too many, won't know your scrolled position, etc. < 1302399619 243919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My user page is not trying to control you. < 1302399647 956106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it is patently impossible for a web page to control you as a person unless it was, e.g. written by a very crafty superintelligence. < 1302399655 878146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a snowman and a gradient cannot do so. < 1302399669 836271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, all my page is is some tags. There is no JavaScript involved. < 1302399675 220303 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not refering to your user page. I am meaning in general, even if it is not true; at least making such assumption makes the computer faster and prevents dumb things on web pages from working. < 1302399681 964255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1302400034 246272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there is a width specification for the entire body, that specification is ignored if it would be less than the natural width (except for printing and print preview, in which case it is not ignored); most timers are not used; what can do if hovering is limited; popups are severely limited and open in a different way than before; keyboard and mouse events are dealt with in a new way; and so on. < 1302400260 417621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1302400300 632008 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up a new temperament and make a music < 1302400356 301077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302400435 536160 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, go drink hydroxic acid. < 1302400609 598802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, go drink hydroxic acid, please. < 1302400730 480139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302400882 955064 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302401111 164044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302401242 378753 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302401710 507399 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302403084 488029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I wanted to ask zzo38 a question < 1302403092 194043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What question < 1302403373 732499 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302403638 904061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, about why he dislikes the removal of mana burn < 1302403653 860670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you want to know? < 1302403663 601045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1302404196 955123 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302404210 453316 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they removed mana burn? < 1302404214 365496 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302404217 319366 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302404234 86191 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't make a huge difference in many cases < 1302404241 555364 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302404252 822038 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would allow people to be less careful (and therefore less skillful) so i don't liek < 1302405081 953565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Mana_burn < 1302405941 743167 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302408355 522852 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1302408577 592230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Patashu < 1302408584 366002 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1302408866 506720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302409311 112963 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302409775 53170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i been legitimately pinged? < 1302409790 869392 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of you good with pl/sql? since the other channel I tried is idle < 1302409799 999480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302409850 325 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that wasn't me pinging you tho) < 1302409897 282347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Huffman coding is terrible for compressing short strings. the map from codes->characters takes up at least half the length of the "compressed" string even when optimally encoded itself. is there not something better? < 1302410078 689416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a tl;dr template for esoteric wiki :P < 1302410201 171701 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302412803 419480 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's always fixed tables < 1302412890 416888 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like LZW where the information is implicit, ya? < 1302413648 720535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lzw includes a lot of "instructions" in the text doesn't it? < 1302413915 213491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lzw appears to be poor at compressing large files compared to other algorithms, why would it do better on short sentences? < 1302414155 337725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right that a fixed huffman table (based on average frequencies of characters in english language) would probably do well enough < 1302414278 382038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read up on arithmetic coding < 1302414583 269701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recent PPM implementations are among the best-performing lossless compression programs for natural language text." < 1302414590 800511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes sense < 1302414594 606564 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that's the answer < 1302414890 346118 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ppm are pretty awesome, but take a long time < 1302414917 105601 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how lzw compares to say, huffman, but you can't very well complain about small strings and then use large files as the counterexample < 1302414933 472014 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i guess you're looking for all-around compression? < 1302414948 98207 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there's some crazy version of paq < 1302414963 364717 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has like a neural network that governs the output based on a series of separate predictor models < 1302414974 128512 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1302417579 685095 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302417629 843735 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302420512 800793 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302420592 91525 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302423049 609177 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302423223 766451 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: what do you need? < 1302423236 172111 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sup < 1302423262 729619 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some 'pl/sql'. I airquote it because on a logical level it does what I need to, but it doesn't fit the grammar so it won't compile < 1302423269 945388 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me think of ways to rework it so it will? http://pastebin.com/2ECDXR4i < 1302423306 914877 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example, the holiday function does not compile, because I cannot use a subquery in that context < 1302423332 419924 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to ask questions < 1302423444 470891 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where exactly are you using it? < 1302423484 216751 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :um can you repaste the text not in an sql pastebin, because it's annoying to read < 1302423499 400627 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait raw is below < 1302423499 923075 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1302423586 766855 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what server are you using it with? < 1302423637 168586 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1302423644 142744 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: ping < 1302423693 437186 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this thing on? < 1302423699 714728 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302423702 866601 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302423710 636384 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well yeah for obvious reasons you won't be able to run it < 1302423713 503660 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm on a dif. server < 1302423720 933426 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking you what software < 1302423735 192771 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oracle sql developer anddd a university db < 1302423736 713859 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have this theoretical pl/sql supporting server that doesn't exist < 1302423739 655826 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302423741 728920 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyways < 1302423748 135710 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason to use PL for this < 1302423751 586437 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a few joins < 1302423806 243603 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a table of future dates that have a bit flag for if it's a holiday or not < 1302423806 503803 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was making good work of reducing it down to just joins < 1302423807 721842 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quiiite < 1302423812 459964 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the day of week / holiday logic is a thing < 1302423821 192701 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's where you use "if" < 1302423828 859634 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you can't use if within sql < 1302423832 24771 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where I'm having trouble < 1302423847 827286 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/if-statement.html < 1302423859 681229 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if mysql can do it, oracle can do it < 1302423871 527711 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that looks like it's in mysql's equivalent to pl/sql < 1302423873 162143 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to say < 1302423880 614156 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use if when it's not pure sql < 1302423884 83791 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's mid-query I can't < 1302423890 239720 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/20063 < 1302423896 853815 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's why you do four joins < 1302423921 553771 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually no.. just two ? i guess < 1302423937 989144 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do one big select for when the future day is a holiday, and one big select for when it's not < 1302423950 775669 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1302423952 359181 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1302423957 584603 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better way of doing it than I was trying < 1302423962 757644 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I may as well give in and split it into two queries < 1302423972 567050 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's not, you just select rows in the past that were not holidays and use a limit clause < 1302423973 127049 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not like blurp da blurp da blurp FUCKASS LOGIC IN ONE QUERY < 1302423985 131452 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it is, you do a select over the past holidays with a limit < 1302424011 601108 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really something you could golf down to a oneliner < 1302424049 218691 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think about this then come back to you < 1302424122 391850 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so instead of a loop < 1302424133 381682 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp table with the future dates and whether they're a holiday or not < 1302424135 866858 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'd do that in a loop rather < 1302424137 751324 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :than just do some joins < 1302424259 721376 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302424264 297927 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229011.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302425019 861270 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reworked it to be more sql'y http://pastebin.com/3mfVndyc < 1302425025 935950 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can make it better but hmmm < 1302425084 513820 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the extra join when I'm actually making the forecast, but the way you have to do it is weird, see, you have to make a forecast whenever that tnifrmp/lr/hh/dayofweek combination has data and I have to not make one whenever it doesn't. however, if it turns out to be a holiday I have to not use the energy average from that dayofweek and instead use the holiday one, and put all 0s if none < 1302425084 663887 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists < 1302425301 744544 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302425503 995524 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any thoughts? < 1302425546 694849 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait lol, it's telling me boolean isn't a valid datatype? one second < 1302425590 553362 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, it isn't. it's only valid in pl/sql < 1302425713 418319 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry had someone at the door < 1302425724 163790 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1302425726 981837 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to store it as a char or number(1) apparently. gay < 1302425730 713867 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw away your code and just build it up the way i told you < 1302425738 223521 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have BIT? < 1302425747 15264 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I tried to and I ended up with that again, so I'm obviously not thinking about it the right way < 1302425754 141747 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302425770 54678 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : you do one big select for when the future day is a holiday, and one big select for when it's not < 1302425776 63945 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah < 1302425776 330905 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) when it's not, you just select rows in the past that were not holidays and use a limit clause < 1302425781 624599 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you're done with (1) < 1302425785 258417 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and show me the code < 1302425823 30286 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nope, no bit http://ss64.com/ora/syntax-datatypes.html < 1302425824 406071 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me why < 1302425824 942015 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bit < 1302425884 751923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wait before I start < 1302425888 823862 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1302425889 514313 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :create table tbool (bool char check (bool in(0,1)); < 1302425889 679757 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert into tbool values(0); < 1302425889 828091 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert into tbool values(1); < 1302425897 4862 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do this for every future day < 1302425902 124357 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I create a table with 14 dates in it < 1302425902 288097 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302425905 364153 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or enclose it in a 1..13 loop < 1302425907 40105 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never mind that just use a char < 1302425912 595808 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there another way, synthesize a table in a subquery? < 1302425913 449209 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you start optimizing < 1302425918 300527 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302425922 407224 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok just do the select before i get tired < 1302425925 141700 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302425926 191751 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1302425968 327923 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on it? < 1302425971 334751 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302425975 451626 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302426084 518878 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :done? < 1302426133 197724 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll leave you to it a bit :p < 1302426141 926372 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll brb, need to go out for a sec < 1302426146 168735 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1302426427 157171 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1302426456 100326 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here's my attempt http://pastebin.com/mr46GfAP < 1302426623 466513 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh forgot something in the holiday version < 1302426638 683728 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nvm < 1302427128 19716 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the controversial step of fixing it until it compiles O_O < 1302427174 637921 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT IT TO COMPILE *rocks da fuck out* < 1302427251 409201 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/nN5BpbRW < 1302427329 68473 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a FOR there < 1302427368 499709 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302427380 828372 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to make the table of days I'm forecasting to to join against < 1302427384 958341 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a pure sql way of implementing that? < 1302427399 732777 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :select trunc(sysdate+rowid) from dual where rowid > 0 and rowid < 14; < 1302427401 297624 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1302427412 602857 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what the row id variable is named in oracle < 1302427423 399722 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual only has one row but that's a good idea < 1302427444 485294 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i forgot < 1302427449 103375 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah there was something like that < 1302427454 735638 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe use LIMIT or something < 1302427469 128381 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can fix that later < 1302427548 300915 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I tried running it, took 28 seconds. that is an awful time < 1302427599 611797 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't appear to make any rows either lmao < 1302427600 664189 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fml < 1302427641 987801 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still better than your shitty pl/sql < 1302427653 432060 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. 5 marks if it compiles < 1302427655 8959 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can be optimized and is functional < 1302427659 286478 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5 marks if you can run it and it does something < 1302427663 302045 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1302427663 812884 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it just needs to do the correct thing < 1302427671 378947 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not? < 1302427675 371542 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't been through the code yet < 1302427676 586723 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :any thoughts? here's the output: 0 rows < 1302427681 650714 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to < 1302427685 776016 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran for 28 seconds then did nothing < 1302427725 366398 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1302427725 637567 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :from v_nem_rm16 n join forecast_day f on to_char(f.day, 'D') = to_char(n.day, 'D') < 1302427725 789787 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1302427725 789940 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : and f.day not in (select trunc(holiday_date) from dbp_holiday) < 1302427740 344996 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be "where f.day not in ..." ? < 1302427747 198414 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw dbp_holiday has 50 rows and v_nem_rm16 has 47k rows < 1302427757 924162 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm < 1302427771 764990 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take it down to just the non-holiday version < 1302427773 232657 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :get that to work < 1302427776 796375 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then look at the bulkier half < 1302427802 955659 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is forecast_day? < 1302427806 97202 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and holiday_date? < 1302427818 147431 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :forecast_day is the table holding the 14 days into the future I'm forecasting for < 1302427822 802716 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :holiday_date has every date that is a holiday < 1302427847 89706 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think your to_char(f.day, 'D') might be screwy < 1302427894 750171 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns the day of the week, 7 for sunday 1 for monday etc < 1302427897 618192 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tried it < 1302427902 293563 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean the USAGE of it < 1302427910 236292 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok, then it's fine < 1302427919 60269 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the "non holidays" part do < 1302427921 367656 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok? < 1302427927 498668 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a forecast for one day < 1302427931 218404 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1302427935 934080 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs in 0.3 seconds with just the non holidays part < 1302427936 586949 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :good sign < 1302427944 293653 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302427967 676564 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produced 28464 rows < 1302427980 100330 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably because v_nem_rm16 is not indexed. < 1302427988 862985 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue if it's indexed or not < 1302427993 230451 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok just select one of em and compare it to the data you get < 1302428015 279859 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thing is < 1302428020 998509 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to check my results except by doing another query < 1302428024 202185 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be wrong too < 1302428027 462477 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1302428041 505050 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :query past days and calculate average by hand. < 1302428074 474804 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :47k rows < 1302428088 886451 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said for one day < 1302428094 13888 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for one combination of your three variables < 1302428097 764805 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1302428208 923252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302428253 373920 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I tried one blah blah combination < 1302428256 108663 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the same result < 1302428263 669887 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll check that as 'complete or ought to be' < 1302428266 355113 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do the non holiday part < 1302428274 835557 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what made my query take 30 sec to produce nothing < 1302428458 567265 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebinning again http://pastebin.com/ysL5UyUP also thanks SO MUCH hahaha < 1302428622 257955 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I take it I made a horrible cross join by mistake so I need to Not Do That < 1302428767 972982 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow. only took 3 seconds this time < 1302428770 834560 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I do a thing??? < 1302428859 212885 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it still only produces 28464 rows :( < 1302428862 904286 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the holiday part isn't doing its job < 1302428937 742120 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302429256 681076 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cross join? < 1302429270 806748 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, this is weird. if I do this: < 1302429271 865936 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :select trunc(holiday_date) from dbp_holiday < 1302429272 193099 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERSECT < 1302429272 343495 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :select trunc(day) from v_nem_rm16; < 1302429273 417730 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 0 rows < 1302429292 12422 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he not put any past holidays aligning with data? because...that makes it hard to test! < 1302429293 292685 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's NVL? < 1302429300 764661 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvl means 'in case of null, put this instead' < 1302429322 582943 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think you need to soften your algorithm < 1302429327 79882 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's an offline thing < 1302429340 441577 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a couple of seconds < 1302429349 558448 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it's good < 1302429352 420881 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (if this were to actually be used in production) it'd run once a day < 1302429352 911924 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to fix < 1302429353 759540 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's fine < 1302429365 522460 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it going to run on a high availability service? < 1302429371 330935 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well < 1302429372 372868 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1302429381 400748 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1302429384 272624 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I just put up there? < 1302429393 73180 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah some code < 1302429393 236591 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently no past holidays align with data he's put in < 1302429397 683504 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that statement is correct < 1302429402 58923 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't read it < 1302429406 549525 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302429422 506962 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then try selecting a holiday in the next 14 days < 1302429429 10448 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't find any here's your answer < 1302429434 325207 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, then keep digging < 1302429472 454426 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one of those holidays, select all days from the past on that weekday, and only select rows where that day is a holiday < 1302429512 744808 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :22/apr/11 is listed as a holiday, so is 23 and 25, and today's the 10 so < 1302429513 841278 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1302429603 363970 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do this: select day from forecast_day where day in (select trunc(holiday_date) from dbp_holiday); I get 22nd and 23rd of april back < 1302429621 179113 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do this: select day from v_nem_rm16 where day in (select trunc(holiday_date) from dbp_holiday); < 1302429631 721140 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I literally can't test it right now unless I make my own data to test it on < 1302429631 983739 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1302429729 562203 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for all your help < 1302429958 163138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i doubt it's a neural network. i think it would be easier and have better results if they applied boosting or WM to their set of predictive experts. < 1302430173 710478 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1302430177 528042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized i can't count to 14 < 1302430178 660552 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :go me < 1302430197 100478 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the lecturer literally said < 1302430207 220226 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'you'd be surprised how many people don't forecast for 14 days exactly' < 1302430210 506520 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those people was almost me < 1302430460 467817 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1302430571 475344 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I really love the setup oracle sql developer gives you < 1302430574 55035 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a big blank worksheet < 1302430578 50457 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can select any block of text and execute it < 1302430590 91420 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just doodle wherever your cursor happens to be I <3 it < 1302431274 850039 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql workbench is better < 1302431282 733609 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sql developer is like a really old version < 1302431289 700866 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is jdeveloper and use the sql bits in that < 1302431675 150513 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdeveloper, huh? < 1302431704 450740 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302432251 616934 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302432335 800686 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1302432415 544696 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302433024 853509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302433126 310284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :This snetence will neer be said again. < 1302433132 483127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly.
< 1302433428 997020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a real bastard u know that < 1302433457 163368 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-112-151.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're an integer bastard < 1302433586 296739 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least i'm not complex. < 1302433591 136005 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i... < 1302433965 661866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have this red stuff that's really hot and i never learn < 1302434704 528508 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you read laws of form? < 1302434782 911454 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does "neer" there mean < 1302434804 833745 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ask elliott... < 1302434812 848522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no < 1302434825 397588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, he is not here atm, since you used it I presume you know what it means? < 1302434846 459273 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was _assuming_ it meant never. < 1302434891 201169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you would seem to be missing the joke again < 1302434892 3492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302434901 630822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there was a joke? < 1302434923 695346 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1302434930 943321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what was it? < 1302434940 221642 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be telling. < 1302434962 445230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but searching for neer in the logs _should_ clear things up. < 1302435016 10615 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks like a cool book < 1302435042 731344 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.4shared.com/get/bBAP7ovO/G-spencer-Brown-Laws-of-Form-1.html < 1302436067 431916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a load of crap to me < 1302436083 254252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1302437491 698139 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302437491 848436 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302437491 848575 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302437666 367112 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302437790 119206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302437830 939015 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-43.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302438166 553256 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302440200 807698 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302440244 19163 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a formalization of mathematical logic < 1302440262 776044 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it allows you to evaluate statements such as "This sentence is false." < 1302441020 105570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1302441023 278169 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT'S NOT! < 1302441613 803948 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-112-151.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TRUE THEN? < 1302442225 499761 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1302442432 88613 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cn't be :Ds < 1302442694 996336 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302442708 106251 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah < 1302442712 823795 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that was my reaction < 1302442721 294686 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically this book is cool < 1302442730 596544 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was even mentioned by russell as a good book < 1302442750 510977 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact the preface quotes him saying he's happy someone came up with this stuff before he died < 1302446290 464425 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302446397 71705 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302446810 33645 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302447302 677934 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302447390 621995 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302449002 6190 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-74-83-131.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302449135 286391 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-74-83-131.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is no support for user defined generics yet. However, three built-in classes List, Map, and Func can be parameterized using a special syntax." < 1302449150 128188 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-74-83-131.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so glad that Func can be parameterized < 1302449186 32646 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-74-83-131.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, it does not seem to be the SAME special syntax used for all three type constructors < 1302449191 371933 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-74-83-131.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would have been nice. < 1302449305 739582 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-74-83-131.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302449922 320529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : sadly, it does not seem to be the SAME special syntax used for all three type constructors <-- what language? < 1302450134 828476 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302450377 509848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302450434 200303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:31:37: elliott: Huffman coding is terrible for compressing short strings. the map from codes->characters takes up at least half the length of the "compressed" string even when optimally encoded itself. is there not something better? < 1302450441 100443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fix the map, duh < 1302450453 682071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:34:38: someone should make a tl;dr template for esoteric wiki :P < 1302450453 846956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should buy an attention span :) < 1302450485 708079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:38:35: also lzw appears to be poor at compressing large files compared to other algorithms, why would it do better on short sentences? < 1302450486 231984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302450868 596139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i just missed zomgmodules < 1302450882 746332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's synchronicity < 1302450896 832836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater discovers worst book ever, loves it, zomgmodules appears, disappears < 1302450900 657068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like synchronicity to me < 1302450915 997794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find the author's proof of riemann hypothesis
< 1302450932 543935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In a 1976 letter to the Editor of Nature, Spencer-Brown claimed a proof of the four-color theorem, which is not computer-assisted.[2] The preface of the 1979 edition of Laws of Form repeats that claim, and further states that the generally accepted computational proof by Appel, Haken, and Koch has 'failed' (page xii). Spencer-Brown's claimed proof of the four-color theorem has yet to find any defenders; Kauffman provides a detailed review of pa < 1302450932 706476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rts of that work.[3][4]]] < 1302450938 835174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmf where's the riemann one! < 1302450976 755526 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302451004 11228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE WE GO < 1302451004 829834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathematik.uni-muenchen.de/~linde/weblog/GSB-RHproof.pdf < 1302451071 242111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lawsofform.org/gsb/nature.html ;; ooh, the four colour theorem too! < 1302451075 621429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual proof i mean < 1302451077 910200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his genius knows no bounds < 1302451703 193185 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302451893 144285 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : omg i just missed zomgmodules <-- "just"? It was about over 15 minutes. < 1302451900 821349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302452080 338815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I presume he didn't publish either in peer reviewed papers? < 1302452499 76917 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302452516 681575 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302452707 538371 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302452841 518870 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302452841 519013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302452841 669264 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302453678 422858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol < 1302453688 24129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 15 minutes is 0 seconds, on a global scale < 1302453739 922791 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302453951 874779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, on a truly global scale, you just missed Archimedes too. < 1302454519 150031 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302455172 174939 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302455217 116502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed. very sad. < 1302455826 519676 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302456030 428899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which MI game do you think is best? < 1302456043 937673 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302456045 395037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1302456128 668608 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302456259 873871 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302456397 727991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1302456876 8949 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY are PC cases so stupid. < 1302456893 594247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdds should be at the back, and connectors at the front. Well okay, power connector could be at the back < 1302456916 214947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not headphones < 1302456933 986720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two usb connectors on the front. And the hdd bays < 1302456944 704349 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you think about it, this arrangement makes no sense < 1302456957 961794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have hot-swap bays for the hdds, which I don't < 1302457150 376489 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302458487 451765 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302458512 223426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a Dungeons&Dragons class called "Feater" class, they get feats but not much else < 1302458586 551981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what's the point of it? < 1302458813 562647 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a new class, and see if it works. I put feats at every even number level and some weaker things at odd number levels < 1302458822 994566 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is good, yet. < 1302459775 997042 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302459781 856512 :nottwo!~trannie@nottwo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302459945 935902 :enki-[quit]!~john@c-24-63-206-22.hsd1.ct.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302460107 933066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1302460305 516757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1302460334 304166 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302460705 35845 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a good portable MIDI library? That is, for both reading MIDI files and for communicating with MIDI devices. portmidi/portsmf doesn't look too promising, though it might be sufficient. < 1302460721 337426 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, does anybody happen to know one) < 1302460726 100879 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302460727 301189 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of one. < 1302460775 14120 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302460842 664191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suspect the two things will be separate < 1302460860 857006 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's fine, but I just don't know if portmidi/portsmf is the best we can do :P < 1302460963 604731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: portaudio is pretty popular < 1302460965 813773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming those are part of it < 1302460983 545853 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1302460990 478713 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But AFAICT, portmidi sucks and nobody ever uses it :P < 1302460997 830124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well only fags use midi, any quetions < 1302461203 892722 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302461302 132168 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why do you dislike the removal of mana burn? < 1302461458 946601 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I like the rule of mana burn, it allows some strategy. There are also rules that I didn't like too, such as some of the rules relating to planeswalker cards (I like the idea, but not the implementation; I also dislike the name for confusion with "Plainswalk"), rule about a Aura which is also a creature being discarded, and so on. < 1302461681 218653 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have created some of my own variant rules for a variant of the game, such as rules for "Playercard" type, and for "entities" which is a generalization of "objects", etc. I do, however, like the name "Exile zone" for what was called "remove from game" zone, since it isn't really remove from game. However, I would rather call the "Library" the "draw zone", the "Graveyard" the "discard zone", and maybe calling "in play" (or "Battlefield") the "p < 1302461739 914193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did the message get cut off?) < 1302461849 765131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302461965 782161 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, where did it get cut? < 1302461982 891947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battlefield") the " < 1302462113 884099 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Portal I think had more "game-y" names < 1302462117 771019 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302462173 631683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and maybe calling "in play" (or "Battlefield") the "permanent zone". < 1302462348 424745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented rules for the "playercard" type that counts as both a player and a permanent at the same time. They never get a turn, but if they make choices, their choices are decided by their controller. The number of their life points is equal to the number of their loyalty counters (or perhaps rename them to "life counters"?), loss of life results in loss of counters and gain life results gain counters. < 1302462356 583537 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a playercard wins or loses the game, it is discarded. < 1302462366 180449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the game is not over.) < 1302462380 172997 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302462441 236182 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinions? < 1302462478 590787 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note, when I was trying to describe these various of my rules to some other people who played the game, they did not understand and thought I was trying to make the life total into another player.) < 1302463213 849452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Did the message get cut off?) <-- you might want an IRC client that automatically splits at the best word boundary < 1302463541 548905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302463582 287045 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could program in a maximum if necessary, and then it will ding like some typewriters might. < 1302464880 402582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302465167 959682 :clog!nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302466122 103038 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302467602 521535 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302468043 50603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor will be so happy, they've compiled poppler and freetype to JS. < 1302468297 525102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you can write a JS-only PDF reader? < 1302468309 810943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :already done < 1302468311 18768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://syntensity.com/static/poppler.html < 1302468315 961194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(external pdf loading only works on FF4) < 1302468322 256410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(downloads 12 Mio) < 1302468329 201548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think it's a one-page reader, but whatever < 1302468524 26842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor will be so happy, they've compiled poppler and freetype to JS. <-- uh does that mean they have a generic C->JS compiler? < 1302468554 470712 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LLVM one, right? < 1302468556 696284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, even better < 1302468558 598467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM->JS < 1302468564 415610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so awesome < 1302468567 764134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the performance? < 1302468594 117312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302468597 693072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emscripten. < 1302468605 661513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how is the performance though < 1302468684 924714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not great < 1302468689 261223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my computer sucks < 1302468690 754788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1302469354 150291 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302469722 130845 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302469727 707459 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302469753 58922 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Guest42334 < 1302469838 990199 :Guest42334!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1302470002 469913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott: out of all the common household objects found in most homes, which of them would it be most hilarious to actually be sentient and be plotting a conspiracy, but too simple-minded to do anything but set up levels of bureaucracy? < 1302470014 98619 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um it seems like glogbot doesn't show nick changes... < 1302470017 485489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1302470021 133653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your question has floored me < 1302470024 922080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302470029 549060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1302470033 260211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: socks < 1302470041 192283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like < 1302470055 943431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mainly because of http://qntm.org/socks :) < 1302470064 658950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be a cheating way to answer < 1302470075 118774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, indeed < 1302470098 547209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The occupants. < 1302470123 576634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's a nice lateral-thinking solution, I suppose < 1302470174 198840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed it's cheating? < 1302470178 512662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what on earth is this for anyway :) < 1302470189 70807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BlogNomic < 1302470207 298047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way you assumed there was an actual motive behind the question < 1302470220 152360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was, but it seems like a surprising assumption) < 1302470239 664049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, /usually/ you don't ask things quite so... err... that < 1302470247 230763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not to someone in particular :) < 1302470247 722237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that may make answering more fun < 1302470262 135536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ais523 is figuring out how solid the defences of his race, the washing machines, are < 1302470267 841035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has concluded that WE SUSPECT NOTHING < 1302470275 819726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will be relaying this information on to his masters < 1302470372 264314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 04:34:38: someone should make a tl;dr template for esoteric wiki :P < 1302470393 758733 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1302470394 465036 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking that the language list should contain one-line descriptions < 1302470407 49229 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bad idea < 1302470411 519911 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 NICK :quintopia < 1302470412 76048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grrs as he removes an {{unsigned}}
< 1302470417 422546 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 QUIT :Changing host < 1302470417 573768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1302470428 234135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523: where do P.S.es go in a letter? < 1302470430 572146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after your signature or before? < 1302470435 719919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you put another signature after the P.S.? < 1302470440 480378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :after < 1302470441 300551 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-43.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302470443 66743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the signature, no extra signature < 1302470444 378898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1302470450 303024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start my PS:es after the signature < 1302470456 611209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't write letters < 1302470470 446513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can do PSes in email too < 1302470478 488741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gravity/w/w/wiki/Talk:Gravity/w/index.php&diff=21796&oldid=21775 < 1302470479 634288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302470481 615355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's less of a reason < 1302470486 656373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you're meant to have two signatures! < 1302470517 508782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote That's for $literals in the parser. It should maybe be atol too, but probably you shouldn't have nonterminals with more than two billion children. < 1302470520 339891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :358) That's for $literals in the parser. It should maybe be atol too, but probably you shouldn't have nonterminals with more than two billion children. < 1302470565 490702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fairly often have PS:es in my e-mails < 1302470583 35894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the purpose of a PS: was so that you could write more after you'd already written/typeset the letter < 1302470607 220308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is/was ... I use them as appendices < 1302470628 527148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for snarky remarks and footnote-alikes < 1302470630 82167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly snarky remarks < 1302470796 212696 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. < 1302470909 500416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hello. < 1302471540 81502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302471546 356630 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pophangover.com/wp-content/uploads/will-ferrell-twitter.jpg < 1302471981 127198 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302472019 11200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now both logs seems to be broken. < 1302472031 619746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso < 1302472053 974794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is broken, but Gregor's is still on < 1302472070 368880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me they both seem broken. < 1302472075 898752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1302472080 12791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is broken about Gregor's? < 1302472104 664898 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's won't load at all. The clog will load, but there is no messages past 12:35:48 < 1302472124 342298 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem a tad non-loading < 1302472124 511051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loads for me. Your internet connection is probably having problems. clog is indeed broken. < 1302472132 619028 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it did < 1302472133 546904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loads perfectly here... < 1302472162 202992 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i had to reload it too, but then it worked < 1302472189 696688 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works now < 1302472227 13109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ok the nick change complaint was just the logs failing to update until now, then < 1302472257 641582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although at that time reloading didn't work either < 1302472307 779120 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _now_ it updated without even reloading, just using forward button in browser < 1302472318 892501 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302472325 759930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb clog < 1302472336 488436 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now #esoteric is clogged again! < 1302472352 768672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: I HATEEE YOUUU < 1302472400 726725 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write a letter, the postscript (PS) message is after the "Sincerely" line, especially when writing by hand. When writing a letter by computer I usually do not use a postscript message. < 1302472426 246551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never say anything sincerely < 1302472431 421267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sign my messages < 1302472432 232627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quack, < 1302472433 545124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Duck < 1302472435 19308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who writes letters by hand? really? < 1302472439 168887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: zzo38 < 1302472444 913409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently! < 1302472458 125011 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You mean, you don't write letters by hand? < 1302472463 735384 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should sign them Duck, A Quack < 1302472477 611263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i did that once but then i lost my medical license? < 1302472478 799664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict, there has been no reason to do that since about 1990 which was before I learned to write < 1302472479 181288 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and them include a homeopathic bomb < 1302472493 604511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1302472494 644921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a homeopathic one one that contains only one atom of actual explosive? < 1302472494 908794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1302472505 795677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, since when do homeopathic remedies contain a whole ATOM?? < 1302472510 843699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*homeopathic bomb < 1302472516 909109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some of them probably do, by chance < 1302472517 566731 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people add postscript messages to every message, and as par for the course? < 1302472520 970037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's unlikely < 1302472525 920345 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then it will only explode a little bit? < 1302472529 700454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more like, they're made out of random rain < 1302472534 276195 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they do like it originally was meant- to add something you think of after writing it, but before sending it < 1302472535 645904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: after all, it's probably rained once or twice in chernobyl < 1302472538 973908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and that was nuclear < 1302472543 113662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the water memory ... < 1302472550 559474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good point < 1302472568 174193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: When I add a postscript message, it is usually for that purpose. < 1302472619 618430 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I believe some people think postscripts somehow are proof that they're good writers well versed in the art of writing letters, and so add them _while composing the letter_ < 1302472665 758501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscripts are for snarky comments < 1302472667 502392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of discussion :D < 1302472693 482626 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones. < 1302472694 873013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS: Postscripts don't obey ends of discussion < 1302472703 95083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... What ... < 1302472724 566292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones. < 1302472727 529247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :359) elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones. < 1302472764 155912 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume he means that without gravitation, at least water shape might be preserved... < 1302472810 788460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait surface tension would ruin that < 1302472843 32136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when you assume, you make an ass out of u and zzo38 < 1302472883 746851 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are talking out of your ass < 1302473005 443729 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Sometimes I write the postscript for things that I want to write but that does not belong to the letter, but usually it is for things I forgot. < 1302473509 680454 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302473564 547630 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cephalopod sighted < 1302473645 694189 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2002, the Roman composer Nicola Sani composed Con Fuoco (for hyperbass flute and 8-track magnetic tape), <-- wtf < 1302473698 371923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AWESOME < 1302473712 946337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto it en fuoco < 1302473714 733227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ten times more awesome than ANYTHING YOU WILL EVER DO < 1302473715 816739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire < 1302473727 500862 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *sobblecopter* < 1302474140 376299 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola elliott. < 1302474144 123355 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hecho en Durango. < 1302474163 28708 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sólo necesitas... < 1302474171 171029 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uno. < 1302474212 338615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fart. < 1302474217 212845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S SPNAIHS LOL < 1302474239 920879 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pienso que la palabra que buscas es "pedo". < 1302474257 433273 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ¿haces pedo? < 1302474478 626442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm a paedophile, yes. < 1302474479 421942 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302474600 593385 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Como entrenar tu dragón. < 1302474710 302421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re: Why it works < 1302474712 354278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. All I can say is that two's complement only has to be actually implemented where the resulting numbers are actually used; a simple addition or subtraction module wouldn't care a bit (no pun intended). --Ihope127 01:49, 25 August 2005 (UTC) < 1302474715 487779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON MY WIKIPEDIA TALK PAGE < 1302474755 919248 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? I have no idea who that is. < 1302474767 383837 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Wikipedia account is User:Tanner Swett. < 1302474799 904321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure < 1302474858 293877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On nicknames: 10.08.22:11:56:02 But this one is awful. < 1302474869 413966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1302474871 14202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302474877 642253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why the /cycle? < 1302474882 293429 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I saying that the username "tswett" is awful? < 1302474883 617101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a mistake < 1302474889 483557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302474895 734740 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't believe you. < 1302474895 899702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas my mistakes tend to be parts, not cycles < 1302474904 449554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 11:55:55 The only nick I'm actually considering is tswett, so if you want to take what I want from me, register that one. < 1302474907 102842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:55:59 --- nick: swett -> tswett < 1302474907 253001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:56:02 But this one is awful. < 1302474917 133369 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1302474930 634795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky you! < 1302474937 206892 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has ceased to be awful. < 1302474951 738600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Note "swett -> tswett" :P < 1302474983 346211 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I also change nicks in between '5:55 and '5:59? < 1302475002 812859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a direct paste. < 1302475013 954533 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1302475026 190850 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there were two of me in play at the time. < 1302475031 739432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302475033 167090 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny what can happen with today's technology. < 1302475035 932684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the yous was me. < 1302475049 869261 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's impossible. Even with today's technology. < 1302475069 371430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I want you to think. < 1302475100 998524 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're pretty benevolent, so I should probably think whatever you want me to think. < 1302475106 344407 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else do you want me to think? < 1302475134 574698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Giving all my money except that which I require to survive to elliott and devoting my life to developing @ is the best possible thing I could do." < 1302475158 45000 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302475170 418524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: don't < 1302475178 661438 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll probably have a much better time surviving if I go through university. < 1302475194 131593 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll probably have a much better time developing @ if I survive. < 1302475199 215537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That statement was only in the context of money. < 1302475201 941571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, damn. < 1302475208 266860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's okay. < 1302475210 20187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can wait. < 1302475214 843750 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should put all my time and money toward university. < 1302475217 580789 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302475242 317530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "Spending lots of my free time on developing @ is an excellent idea. Free time is defined as those periods of time in which I have completed all currently necessary work for university." < 1302475272 219747 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course. < 1302475272 875257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, which Windows IRC client should I recommend to people? < 1302475283 104393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Linux < 1302475287 405455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302475291 85804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that might be the answer < 1302475295 943792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more seriously, one of the free XChats < 1302475296 599160 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY is pretty good if you know what you're doing. < 1302475303 887173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Silverex. < 1302475308 532045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: PuTTY is not an IRC client by itself. < 1302475312 270707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you like to type PRIVMSG a lot. < 1302475316 394835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.silverex.org/news/ < 1302475325 34573 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely what I'm saying. < 1302475344 622692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1302475353 113246 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use PuTTY, but still, it is not good as an IRC client by itself (for more than one reason, actually; it isn't only because of typing PRIVMSG a lot). < 1302475353 922692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/ is more actively developed < 1302475385 89446 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you would need the messages being received not to override what you are typing, and also ping-pong, as well. < 1302475402 778114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed (http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/wiki/InfoComparison) < 1302475411 225183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :silverex seems to be closed source, which is ugh < 1302475415 483841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: agreed < 1302475420 826456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what license is xchat under? < 1302475438 273594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GPL, but the Windows builds are for-pay < 1302475440 450266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're assholes < 1302475452 404656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they used to be free, but they decided they weren't getting enough money off suckers) < 1302475457 391346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus xchat-wdk < 1302475472 182100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, GPL, but pay for them to give you the binaries? < 1302475496 380685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the source tree doesn't work on windows, IIRC < 1302475500 879587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus why xchat-wdk and the like have to patch it < 1302475504 146330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a Unix program < 1302475510 278310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sort of) < 1302475534 344201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, they're violating the GPL, but it doesn't matter if they wrote all the code themselves because they could have issued a separate license to themselves < 1302475543 21400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they're not < 1302475547 257859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth does that violate the GPL? < 1302475554 151724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binaries without matching source? < 1302475560 704089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1302475567 792742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if silverex is then illegal < 1302475572 19695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source is available but it doesn't match the binaries, I'm pretty sure it doesn't count < 1302475577 162140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it might be more, custom build system < 1302475580 43024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than source code changes < 1302475585 108522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that violates GPL 3, but not GPL 2 < 1302475788 662972 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought xchat on Windows was from the regular source, I don't think it had any separate sources ... < 1302475806 233188 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they made people pay for binaries just because they assume that Windozers won't compile. < 1302475823 606948 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A wholly-supported assumption) < 1302475823 871312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They say it's "difficult" and "not automated" and blah blah blah. < 1302475824 386618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I once came across a program that was GPL source + "shareware" binary on Windows < 1302475828 216765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they at least have a separate build system. < 1302475834 561454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AKA XChat < 1302475835 899326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they gave a cut-down version that had a 30-day trial, and asked you to pay to keep it for longer < 1302475842 349071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends on the definition of shareware :P < 1302475852 222120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely it has to mean something it doesn't mean >_> < 1302475853 367726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just used the source to see how the free-trial code worked, and patched it out < 1302475868 269551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR you telling us about this < 1302475873 158842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a fork of gcc, right/ < 1302475874 963173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right? < 1302476032 438724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302476064 809280 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care if they make people pay for binaries as long as you can still compile it by yourself (without too much difficulty) and redistribute copies (modified or not) under the same terms, and that someone selling it by itself does not claim it is official distribution unless they: have permission, make substantial modifications, or include it as part of other things. < 1302476080 927146 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or changes the name. < 1302476306 9650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas for GPL v4 for what they might make in future: One is to have a copy of the license formatted in Plain TeX for CWEB programs (and other documents). Another is to allow the licensor to specify that their version is official and unofficial one should be marked differently (such as a different package, a different name, or a different scheme for version numbers), as long as such things cannot affect the usage of the software and < 1302476382 524208 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I read somewhere they wanted to include the GNU Manifesto with GPL licensed software? I don't think so, but perhaps include a shortened form of it in the preamble of the license. < 1302476402 882300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is to allow the licensor to specify that their version is official and unofficial one should be marked differently <--- GPLv3 allows reasonable restrictions like that < 1302476482 675248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read the license but am not sure about everything completely < 1302476495 929429 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302476532 1219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have forked some GPL software (some version 2 and some version 3), I had made sure to make specified not confused with original software, either by changing the name or using a different version numbering scheme. < 1302476572 542877 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1302476573 111962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same name, different version numbering scheme: Not confusing at all! < 1302476582 711934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is sometimes done with MegaZeux, the different forked versions are usually given different version numbering schemes or some title after the program but before the version number. < 1302476658 68706 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it depends what kind of version numbering scheme. It has to be one that cannot be confused with others. For example, I made MegaZeux versions numbered "P1", "P2", "P3" and so on; while some other forks use other notations in the version numbers. < 1302476706 578025 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302476739 687446 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you fork something, you can mark it as a fork simply by sticking another word after the title? < 1302476761 168180 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302476764 66213 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Chromium Indigo, or GHC Indigo, or NetHack Indigo? < 1302476773 35446 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though NetHack isn't under the GPL, of course. < 1302476779 305555 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you do not allow it to get confused with other things, I guess. < 1302476791 457782 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's under the GPL, but it's the wrong one. :P < 1302476852 166212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess your example works. < 1302476854 381107 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/io failed < 1302476871 496421 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did not write the GPL or the other licenses. < 1302476871 646659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's under a modified version of the Bison license < 1302476875 719036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like GPL 0 < 1302476886 133549 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL Indigo. :P < 1302476902 607007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, really? < 1302476909 1373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know Bison predated the GPL < 1302476911 87609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NetHack, that is < 1302476915 111575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what license was GPL 1 under? < 1302476920 264744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1302476922 627082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC 1 < 1302476923 326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-derivs < 1302476930 153278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: really? < 1302476932 460243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's awful < 1302476935 523750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the license GPL 1 was under < 1302476938 340098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 1, I don't know < 1302476950 191983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a little ridiculous that the GPL is under no-derivs, but there you go < 1302476962 621019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FSF doesn't believe in license-freedom for anything but software < 1302476969 341528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once modified the WTFPL to be under the WTFPL < 1302476973 923090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to amuse myself < 1302476975 451614 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302476983 557673 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302477012 102719 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are informally allowed to modify the GPL as long as they remove certain stuff. < 1302477020 964456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1302477021 701648 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GPL can be modified to make something that is not the GPL, but only to make a new license for different software, and you have to remove the preamble and postamble, and should not be called the same thing. That is how GPL itself is licensed. < 1302477074 680276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it is usually discouraged due to causing incompatibilities (you can specify explicit compatibility if you want to, though, I guess). < 1302477315 402203 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other ideas for GPL v4 (if they choose to use these ideas) is something regarding literate programming, if that would help. < 1302477348 471796 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you sell the book it would be a good idea to include a copy of the license in the book as well as a machine-readable copy such as a DVD in the back of the book, or something like that. < 1302477387 474900 :cheater00!~cheater@g228063147.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302477563 245359 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132179.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302478098 996548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, there appears to be no gmp irc channel < 1302478128 632880 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tell them to make one < 1302478136 146590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302478137 161359 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell the gmp < 1302478351 4184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302478425 373133 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302478450 901145 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1302478503 661559 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302478563 724706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1302478596 775861 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LGPL, AGPL, and FDL, are not available in ODF, and none of them are available in Plain TeX. Also, the LGPL is not available in LaTeX. And they have GNU license logos but not with METAFONT. < 1302478618 257003 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302478639 8345 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're available in plain text < 1302478698 374432 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should they be available in ODF or TeX? < 1302478720 805046 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1302478721 188202 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, all are available in plain ASCII text. It can also probably be included in ODF and TeX, but it isn't formatted as well as it could be. < 1302478728 242884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ? < 1302478737 678510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes what < 1302478744 540526 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I expect you to infer the question I am answering < 1302478755 984646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I expect your mom to infer the question I am answering < 1302478759 207918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Some people probably use ODF (the main GPL license is available under ODF), and they should be available in Plain TeX too, including for literate programming. < 1302478769 818895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Or in other words, no u < 1302478782 557808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not use ODF myself, but probably some people will) < 1302478942 777729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gmp is totally worthless. < 1302479117 382942 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302479157 121974 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302479216 445810 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :WHARRGARBL < 1302479228 358717 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302479235 265063 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302479281 336128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I would like to have from them, is not only the Plain TeX format of licenses but also the license logos with METAFONT. < 1302479303 720266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302480319 647944 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Alerts tells me it found my name here: http://twitter.com/cerias/status/55662898420260864 < 1302480325 688666 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Google Alerts was of course right. < 1302480335 380078 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, why did CERIAS feel the need to tweet every bloody poster? < 1302480346 985400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because they love you. < 1302480367 206573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: lol @ having a Google Alert on your own name :P < 1302480374 317190 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Narcissism: I has it. < 1302480531 143156 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302480559 138789 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302480985 216186 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302483381 355942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it should be, if you make a program with WEB or Enhanced CWEB or whatever, you should publish the book and include a DVD in the back cover of the book, for loading the program into your computer. < 1302483454 55798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHW*(R()E*TH(WEHGISGH < 1302483504 124701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "AHW*(R()E*TH(WEHGISGH"? < 1302483580 624390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302483609 351740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ancient gothic god of mismatched brackets < 1302484641 256501 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302486022 455770 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302487628 341227 :WHARRGARBL!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :coWHARRGARBL < 1302488313 502404 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302488483 328396 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302488840 424530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coWHARRGARBL: lol < 1302488850 688550 :coWHARRGARBL!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHARRRGARBL < 1302488860 489794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coWHARRGARBL: hello < 1302489172 644220 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302489448 28857 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION investigates Google Alerts.
< 1302489468 112686 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one result for my name, and it's false. < 1302489530 229810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivan Hope, or Tanner Swett? or Warrigal? < 1302489543 61997 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My actual real name. < 1302489547 830076 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. the latter. < 1302489549 608497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivan Hope then! < 1302489555 657962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is Warrigal :P < 1302489565 659899 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is the second of two. < 1302489565 823178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the Christian Party are Poe's Law exemplified < 1302489568 614686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' with the more biblical 'evidence of two or three reliable witnesses' in the criminal justice system. < 1302489576 100937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1302489577 725206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lat·ter/ˈlatər/Adjective < 1302489578 217445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Situated or occurring nearer to the end of something than to the beginning. < 1302489578 367126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Belonging to the final stages of something. More » < 1302489582 738945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1302489582 901490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relating to or being the second of two items < 1302489583 167802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :near (or nearer) to the end < 1302489583 317970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close (or closer) to the present time < 1302489597 205932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there were three items, I was interpreting it as the obvious generalisation as the last one < 1302489599 718951 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it in the former sense. :P < 1302489608 5538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Wales the party wants to change the Welsh flag, because it views the red dragon as a satanic symbol, they would replace it with the cross of Saint David.[10] < 1302489618 528069 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... actually not used "latter" to mean "last". I think of it as meaning "all but first". < 1302489631 969227 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So out of three options, I would think of the latter two. < 1302489641 314274 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "Tanner Swett" is what I searched for. < 1302489642 813823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter N is the last N, I would say < 1302489661 42384 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1302489662 798719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The options are A, B, C and D; the latter two have the problem that they're gay, the first has the problem that it sucks, and the second has the problem that it's made out of fish. < 1302489715 634951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Have you ever ran a Perl script over GCC's output? < 1302489731 220076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so < 1302489739 858651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite errr, enlightening < 1302489751 333565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is, dear god someone tell Gregor he's mad. < 1302489752 615759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've ran a Perl script over makefiles generated during gcc's build process before now, though < 1302489783 336186 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches for 'john powell' and finds that most of the results are for the wrong word.
< 1302489789 83283 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does John Powell have to be so many people? < 1302489827 42017 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you too! There must be... at least 523 of you! < 1302489837 62253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're an evil mangler < 1302489947 991304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think so; there are 10 Alex Smiths more famous than me, imagine how many must be less famous < 1302489992 990864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions and billions < 1302490009 170115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think there is any need to change the flag, since it already exists. The red dragon can also be seen as a red dragon instead of a satanic symbol; although if there are more than enough people that prefer change the flag to the cross, then maybe they should do so. I myself don't care much as I do not live there. < 1302490018 984973 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that a majority of people on Earth are named Alex Smith. < 1302490053 163129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What percentage do you expect? I know someone who had the same name as a few people and caused confusion, someone thought he was their boss even though he wasn't. < 1302490088 35269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the label has failed < 1302490093 957765 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect... 0.1%. < 1302490096 141989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so brittle < 1302490104 526348 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be a bit high, come to think of it. < 1302490114 397537 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1302490131 782429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 6.79 million people are called Alex Smith?!?!?!?! < 1302490140 711743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could found a fucking country < 1302490151 498968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"morning Alex" < 1302490152 905099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"morning!" < 1302490155 772461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where you off to, Alex?" < 1302490157 860771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ah, just going to work" < 1302490163 217188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah, hello, I'm here to see Mr. Smith" < 1302490166 250548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which one?" < 1302490175 685665 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. I'm assuming everyone has an Englishy name. < 1302490180 692004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302490227 394943 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon power bitches < 1302490256 207516 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's assume that... 6% of all people have Englishy names. < 1302490267 415599 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the number becomes 0.006%, I believe. < 1302490288 507427 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are only, like, 400,000 of ais523. < 1302490348 531823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ihope there are not too many ais523. It would Warrigal me a lot and I might even break out into tswett. < 1302490357 320799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warrigal: SOUNDS LIKE "WORRY") < 1302490558 922087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, if everyone had the same name you'd have to start giving auxiliary names to tell all the alex smiths apart < 1302490574 275674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually you could just drop the alex smith part < 1302490647 237143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302490658 443682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Alex Smith Jacque Loutique. < 1302490664 582288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hi. I'm Alex Smith Azerbajan Remi. < 1302490674 299256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ELLIOTT MAKES UP NAMES) < 1302490705 392179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex is good, because it could be short for both alexander and alexandra < 1302490705 918725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: HELLO < 1302490723 5302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could also be short for Alxe-wielding insane hobo. < 1302490723 529235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could definitely start and maintain a country where everyone has that name < 1302490724 674525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The l is silent. < 1302490813 290368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302490818 650452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302490821 231993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO HELLO HELLO < 1302491187 421319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heo heo heo < 1302491279 189580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is actually a elephant. did you know? < 1302491293 339 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a friend gave me a password to something < 1302491299 170285 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm logged in as her < 1302491302 574786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky. < 1302491310 636790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*So, < 1302491362 721681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: We're still waiting for the point. < 1302491371 637235 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No point < 1302491374 820646 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel weird < 1302491462 493504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've waited for the point for years < 1302491493 175970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: you know who *else* dressed up in the skin of women? < 1302491514 610014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN < 1302491553 709990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*RUBS < 1302491636 452755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the sequences are even longer than i remember < 1302491701 653998 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smell my breakfast bitch < 1302491720 394213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i don't eat dogs < 1302491742 869722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... 9 + let's say 29 (cba to count them all) + < 1302491758 766915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 + < 1302491762 744192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 + < 1302491767 103006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1302491769 639996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the most important posts < 1302491783 702817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 + 29 + 14 + < 1302491802 883436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 + < 1302491828 445989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 + < 1302491839 590489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 + < 1302491850 790801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 + < 1302491873 549534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 + < 1302491878 219640 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 + < 1302491881 744852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :83 + < 1302491882 349191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking fuck how many fucking posts are there < 1302491889 382258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm actually counting blog posts here < 1302491899 313249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles evilly
< 1302491901 269374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 + < 1302491904 40936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds the totals so far
< 1302491918 188932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :162 + < 1302491928 338669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 + 11 + < 1302491935 149003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 + < 1302491947 447787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you counting all the blog posts, or some particular category? < 1302491967 804569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 + a bit (minor subsequences) < 1302491983 126601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm counting the number of blog posts that together constitute Less Wrong's Sequences < 1302492001 298599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka what you get told to go and read the entirety of if you comment on less wrong and someone disagrees :D < 1302492009 488071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 + < 1302492026 264231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :current total: 215 + a bit < 1302492049 838830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 + < 1302492058 927656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 + < 1302492065 103278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 + < 1302492076 887992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 + < 1302492106 883043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 + < 1302492132 802837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 < 1302492156 309614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the *main* Sequences series, there's 340 posts. plus dependencies. < 1302492181 655508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc. Yudkowsky sequences: < 1302492194 710904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 + 11 + < 1302492211 746670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evolution posts that i'm too sick of this to count + < 1302492220 74750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1302492223 761921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1302492230 976779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 + more < 1302492240 420100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to count other people's sequences because this is FUCKING ENOUGH < 1302492259 723961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the total is 385 plus dependencies plus ones that nobody bothered to include in the lists because there's too fucking many < 1302492264 586225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oerjan: any questions < 1302492284 159791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only "wat?" < 1302492304 78923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? < 1302492321 450592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you know what Less Wrong is, because if not i can't even hope to give an answer :) < 1302492334 980552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I don't < 1302492336 345311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops! i missed one < 1302492350 760651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 < 1302492352 986088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1302492361 303577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: then i'm not even going to bother trying to explain :) < 1302492370 733653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :okelidokeli < 1302492391 552549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okely dokely, you stupid scannd < 1302492400 646255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1302492426 642254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, i'm fairly sure oerjan knows, so i'm going to say OVER 385 POSTS FFFFFFFFF < 1302492454 484341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically the sequences are longer than the somplete sacred texts of some major religions? < 1302492461 388991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complete < 1302492461 539061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1302492470 860795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dunno, the bible is easily 400 blog posts i'm sure :) < 1302492482 240892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you include all the rationalisations from way back when to present < 1302492486 633746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and err "interpretations" < 1302492487 866505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it depends on post length < 1302492495 609332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yudkowsky length < 1302492503 22367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nuff said < 1302492516 112690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um those are long aren't they... < 1302492522 421218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite :P < 1302492531 184509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean < 1302492538 163645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a page or two of the bible would easily fill a yudkowsky post < 1302492550 240598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bible is pretty long... < 1302492623 796110 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some books of the Bible are rather short < 1302492734 393439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1,281 pages in the Bible (Old and New Testament combined), including 66 different "books"... < 1302492736 957341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a reliable source < 1302492738 826488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a long book < 1302492760 830424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though. < 1302492762 26239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fuck. < 1302492860 369392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of pages should depend what print edition you have? The number of different books, though, should remain the same (unless it differs by counting apocrypha/deutrocanonical or not) < 1302492959 937066 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a long lineof virgins? < 1302493004 889606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, how did this happen < 1302493016 32525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302493017 662902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it erased dead code < 1302493019 105182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking fuckshit < 1302493109 139135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up until Gregor mangles labels :P < 1302493111 205957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess I could. < 1302493113 242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds painful. < 1302493212 301838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... he DOES... < 1302493311 868421 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302493367 829714 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302493371 6737 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he could fork off a copy of himself then join later
< 1302493393 995446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, just think about two things at once < 1302493397 341725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean physically < 1302493413 290796 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically :) < 1302493427 738757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, who cares about atoms? < 1302493429 666266 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe you could write code and play videogames at the same time, you're pretty bright :) < 1302493441 459920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a physical issue, mostly < 1302493443 719956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt control < 1302493450 532745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that it's hard to look at two things at once < 1302493462 459909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, videogaming tends to be a multi-core kind of thing, it uses all the available system resources < 1302493595 19111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: mind you, the human brain's low thread limit is also a physical issue :) < 1302493611 38807 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my brain is mostly single threaded < 1302493637 630510 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of those people whjere if I'm driving, it's dangerous for me to be doing much of anything else < 1302493644 746468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look forward to moving into some leet 128-core brain hardware in the future < 1302493650 708369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably digital too, to stop all these stupid bits flipping < 1302493769 122464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Thai dung < 1302494066 291710 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302494365 402859 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302494410 681916 :coWHARRGARBL!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :failedhipster < 1302494467 282001 :failedhipster!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1302494560 161073 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-99.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302495052 162894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is no longer a duck. he is now a bear. < 1302495180 275800 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302495664 630934 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302495833 867238 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302496641 988288 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302496793 640578 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302497034 814802 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302498124 947941 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302498263 669805 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302498268 67327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea of music file format, how well would it work? There are three parts: a MIDI sequence, a synthesizer program, and a conversion table from MIDI note numbers to other numbers (usually the frequency of the notes, but can be used for whatever purpose you want). < 1302498397 63068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIDI sequence would consist of four threads, each with four registers: instruction counter, delta counter, loop counter, and auxiliary counter. It can also contain external signal messages, which might be used for singing text or whatever. < 1302498417 560001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302498638 892259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The synthesizer program would have sixteen threads, one for each MIDI channel, with 128 registers each (changeable by the program itself as well as by MIDI control change messages); in addition, there are 128 programs which one is used on which channel is selected by a MIDI program change message. < 1302498668 864060 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302498687 747153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? Is it sensible? < 1302499031 964331 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, there can be some special programs that can be selected instead of writing your own; these could include one to just play sample data (as a module tracker program might do). < 1302502630 463003 :celticwench!~celticwen@203-59-216-215.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1302502667 297045 :celticwench!~celticwen@203-59-216-215.dyn.iinet.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all :) < 1302502967 452914 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-99.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1302503902 582292 :celticwench!~celticwen@203-59-216-215.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Quit: Byeeee.....eyyy...eyyyy.... < 1302504031 913336 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1302504087 781278 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302506927 16288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302507640 37900 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: ==(>^w^)> ==(> >.<)> < 1302508179 910453 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302508313 632988 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302508458 379794 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302508458 569000 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1302508458 569131 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302508458 911657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Giveaway Chess (also called Losing Chess and Suicide Chess)? 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On this DVD it shows I'm at 05:01/00:17 < 1302530937 231428 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302531831 571502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302532028 188820 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-224.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302532221 212804 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302532324 825519 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302532413 459995 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302532686 31650 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302532693 72322 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302533739 403035 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302534134 834756 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302534392 282763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535496 868913 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302535625 250034 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535653 218702 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535923 20072 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535974 784576 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.02 (6930944, 0.413 blocsk left): 3x8k+4k+1k+/32+/48 to Australia, 32k+4k to China, 3x4k+1k to Japan, 32k to South Korea, 1k to Philippines, 2k+2x1k+/32 to Singapore, 4x16k to Vietnam, 2k+1k to Vanatu. Slow day. < 1302536058 619135 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New depletion estimate: Monday 18th April. < 1302536462 212201 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302536930 441212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302536947 113812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20:02 * SgeoN1 vaguely wonders where his dad is < 1302536947 451209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:18 In case anyone was worried or otherwise cares: don't be < 1302536947 602881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:22 He's ok < 1302536947 753735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK GOD < 1302536978 4912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi cpressey < 1302537088 739726 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1302537113 173356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is/was cpressey zomgmodules? < 1302537145 406723 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say ((car (quote (cdr car))) (quote (a b))) in Scheme, but you can say *[*[*car [*cdr *car]] [a b]] in Bizaaro-Pixley! < 1302537245 424372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm the scheme equivalent is < 1302537254 20192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((car (quasiquote ((unquote cdr) (unquote car) ... < 1302537257 574383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which DOES work :P < 1302537263 718526 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use lambdas < 1302537295 363761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bizaaro-pixley have lambdas? < 1302537300 818071 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302537304 285481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just allow any quoted cons to be used as a function < 1302537311 219891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bind its single argument to "x" or something :) < 1302537321 845075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe have it like [x *[car *x]] < 1302537327 529564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be slightly more reasonable < 1302537329 466845 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you would < 1302537342 704531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well picolisp would too :p < 1302537601 31846 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus concludes this morning's session of leaving elliott nonplussed < 1302537605 902120 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back later < 1302537607 459274 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302537672 916315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning? what a joker, it's just 19h past bedtime < 1302537708 934468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302537760 229131 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'll just have breakfast and go to bed < 1302538019 617066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuck. Maybe elliott knows the answer to this: < 1302538031 903035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.IFO detected. Redirecting to dvd:// < 1302538032 743186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 2 titles on this DVD. < 1302538032 911728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1 angles in this DVD title. < 1302538039 962198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get mplayer to play the second title < 1302538063 778138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get mplayer to even open the dvd menu, and vlc opens it but I can't find the second title < 1302538239 594587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it the option for selecting a title, or you press the button for going to the next title < 1302538243 607780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. < 1302538263 864103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: breakfast? Swedes have breakfast? < 1302538269 889975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought all meal times were Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Times < 1302538279 950481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's... part of the path < 1302538282 754306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvd://something/something < 1302538283 597286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1302538290 214701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, breakfast *is* a regular ordinary swedish meal time < 1302538303 70031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: CRUSH THE CEREAL < 1302538307 336907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1302538314 13446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the pre-breakfast snack: it's good for you < 1302538316 259635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD Playback < 1302538316 410499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As mentioned above, MPlayer does not support the playback of DVD menus. To play the first title on a DVD, use < 1302538316 410727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mplayer dvd:// < 1302538316 410842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the first title is not the main movie, try playing other titles: < 1302538317 610089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mplayer dvd://2 < 1302538319 627932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mplayer dvd://3 < 1302538321 648726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/MPlayer < 1302538326 38320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it doesn't even want to accept dvd:// when it is a file on the disc. I have to give it the .IFO file thingy < 1302538327 579107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the great juffgy triumphs once again < 1302538340 729410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1302538341 948938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in... file on hard disk < 1302538342 452282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: erm < 1302538353 476976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try /home/arvid/poop.ifo/blah < 1302538354 365196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't have the dvd handy. I have the ripped stuff < 1302538358 43403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1302538358 701499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stick a dvd:// in front if that doesn't help :) < 1302538374 815993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mplayer [dvd|dvdnav]://[title|[start_title]-end_title][/device] < 1302538381 746114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dvd://2/home/arvid/blah < 1302538382 756096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1302538399 806067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1302538403 659024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what dvdnav is mind you < 1302538412 938248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302538414 862007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :menu support :D < 1302538419 972548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :used with keypad! < 1302538427 816222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dvd://2//home/arvid/blah even < 1302538435 78822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think my previous address should work < 1302538451 25960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, it was a relative path :P < 1302538456 992716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need an extra / < 1302538463 714170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly sensible < 1302538494 859110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what the crap. This isn't the stuff I expect. This is just the logo. -_- < 1302538683 437602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302538697 132545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal fails to watch a movie < 1302539046 540206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, quite. Meh. Will have to find it another way < 1302539108 452516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or you could just try title 3, 4 < 1302539112 451788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use dvdnav < 1302539126 706060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there are places where people set up the movie for you, you just sit there and it rolls < 1302539140 344292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I doubt this one would be sent there. It is old. < 1302539163 61121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, besides I can google for stuff in it at the same time. And no popcorn < 1302539165 769203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302539186 661781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound of crunching popcorn is annoying < 1302539200 944726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunchcrunch < 1302539214 540403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less annoying if you're the one making it < 1302539217 246483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, I doubt this one would be sent there. It is old. < 1302539221 169021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ worst excuse for porn ever < 1302539236 63827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hahahaha. You must have a very strange taste. < 1302539250 382426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to consider Cosmos by Carl Sagan... porn. < 1302539272 796996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :carl sagan porn? ewww :/ < 1302539279 554122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, my reaction indeed! < 1302539284 478138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what can elliott be up to < 1302539291 965369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1302539296 119996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is worse than auto-tuning his voice < 1302539301 637366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is a sicko < 1302539302 989452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey it is you who made that up! < 1302539303 868648 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/reverb-2011-04-11.ogg <-- check out the sweet room reverb generator I made :) < 1302539331 161957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you actually writing a whole music conductor program thing :P < 1302539340 179775 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: One step at a time, yes. < 1302539341 133707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why is there so much noise in it? < 1302539352 100245 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because I don't mix very well, I'm working on it :P < 1302539355 78728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What were you using before < 1302539364 961002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, sure you didn't turn on the LP effect? < 1302539369 493865 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fluidsynth, sox, and no conductor program. < 1302539380 346989 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Har-dee-har. < 1302539383 492645 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1302539386 734244 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^^^ < 1302539388 741082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that variable. < 1302539391 433102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always such a joker. < 1302539404 239353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I conclude that Vorpal has never heard an LP, ever. < 1302539444 210372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I had. And yes the noise is somewhat different. This is more like bad cassette recording or such. < 1302539463 452612 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you jerkfaces focus on the reverb instead of the noise :P < 1302539477 320950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what reverb? Can I hear a before/after to compare? < 1302539487 40895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't focussed on the noise < 1302539499 122451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My professional opinion is that it sounds like reverb, though < 1302539518 251643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now turn the reverb up < 1302539518 587544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1302539520 102308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :another non-essential thing to concentrate on: nice music < 1302539520 437156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXIMUM < 1302539526 44775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that 11? < 1302539786 353873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh* found it. The box says something else than the discs say. Part 2 is on disc 2. Even though nothing else indicate this is the case. Oh well. < 1302539862 759149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every disc except the first has two episodes < 1302539863 797151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302539872 382601 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302540088 425595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assumed it was the last one that had just one episode, which the box indicated too) < 1302541998 189218 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302542023 260949 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542023 674962 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302542023 827939 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542179 180604 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542242 212159 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you can also say ((car (list cdr car)) (quote (a b))) in Scheme, because list evaluates its arguments. < 1302542285 705362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302542304 352113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quasiquote (unquote cdr) (unquote car)) = (cons cdr (cons car '())) = (list cdr car) < 1302542311 335502 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542319 888587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bizarro-Pixley [] is quasiquote, and * is unquote < 1302542339 430350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the whole thing being in a sort of implicit (car (quasiquote ...)) < 1302542344 896813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for *x at the top level) < 1302542352 609354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302542361 274061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(car (quasiquote (... ()))) < 1302542362 954272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1302542384 739505 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's no quasiquote in bizaaro-Pixley, just quote and eval < 1302542422 946010 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, with quote being implicit < 1302542430 923971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what is the result of [*[*+ *2 *2] blah] in a hypothetical bizarro-Pixley with those functions and integers? < 1302542440 892782 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [*[*+ *2 *2] blah] < 1302542455 66841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the result of *[car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] < 1302542456 127309 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, malformed, because you have a triple in there :) < 1302542469 647418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean :) < 1302542475 709316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend triples exist :p < 1302542498 774296 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] => error, because evaling a pair where the lhs is not a function is an error (but i'm considering changing the meaning of evaling a pair, so stay tuned) < 1302542512 908370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the result of *[*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] < 1302542553 209192 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] => error because *4 is not a function < 1302542573 334701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302542576 59381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the result of [*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] < 1302542583 674439 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wait < 1302542591 613481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your semantics, they is incoherent to me < 1302542614 372284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure what you have is [a b] = (quasiquote (a . b)) and *x = (unquote x)... < 1302542615 486767 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] => *4 < 1302542624 466346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, you have quasiquote and unquote < 1302542626 144228 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. i don't know, i don't have fricken integers! < 1302542630 871676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [] was quote, then you'd just get < 1302542633 932127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*+ *2 *2] < 1302542634 601024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1302542654 548426 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1302542661 558081 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :car takes a pair < 1302542665 409635 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does things to it < 1302542671 127786 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a general quasiquote < 1302542681 898440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does car actually get the car and then evaluate that? < 1302542687 576256 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302542700 209911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll hold off thinking about this until there's an implementation :-P < 1302542715 918777 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one, but i'm holding off releasing it until i decide i like it a lot < 1302542751 842847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, all languages are just inferior versions of thue < 1302542896 176240 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some ideas about making cons superfluous and replacing lambdas with "pure closures", but they're just ideas right now < 1302542906 688592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs closurse? < 1302542909 115784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closures? < 1302543078 794149 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543078 945887 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302543078 946023 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543251 278244 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-219-178.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543273 178410 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302543313 120656 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah lahks lexical bindings < 1302543333 415931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: when john mccarthy made lisp 1.0 did he use lexical bindings NO HE DID NOT < 1302543336 479994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you questioning mccarthy < 1302543399 50449 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am < 1302543417 774632 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. McCarthy, isn't it true you have been seen in the presence of several known members of the Communist Party? < 1302543442 3287 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he isn't here < 1302543442 882383 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1302543530 389793 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-219-178.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302543537 293265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543545 164509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523456789 < 1302543943 214116 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302544174 907437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to get uplink demo running hm < 1302544201 851614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice.... a self-extracting shellscript < 1302544203 232691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" < 1302544254 881202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.setup17415: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1302544257 912896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnh < 1302544360 972700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/uplink.bin.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.62: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1302544361 139135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302544411 652687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think dynamic linking is acceptable when it is for core distro package. But not for "binary blobs" < 1302544607 506033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it kind of starts now < 1302544689 347046 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302544815 859116 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302544943 196091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302545111 507847 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302545457 389099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302546366 372703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I got uplink running fine. However it is made for lower DPI screens < 1302547277 517744 :kassioms!~kassioms@201008193077.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1302547336 809081 :kassioms!~kassioms@201008193077.user.veloxzone.com.br PART :#esoteric < 1302547429 114105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302547764 509103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : carl sagan porn? ewww :/ < 1302547771 567038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn < 1302547781 484314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's close enough < 1302547802 983428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird result from typoing in units: http://sprunge.us/ZcAf <-- what's up with the first one < 1302547808 332119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m^5 what? < 1302547841 966765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: m to m < 1302547842 153544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want: < 1302547842 153772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Definition: 0.018039068 m^5 < 1302547843 147759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1302547844 252561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302547850 401895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh* < 1302547852 86709 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302547853 235335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to is an unit < 1302547853 783481 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1302547867 772327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is volume it seems < 1302547868 712895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the knew /r/*Porn subreddits are going to pose an interesting conundrum for net nannies... < 1302547872 471267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*new < 1302547884 347133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there are uh, several? < 1302547885 186874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302547907 828251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are 10 listed sister reddits on that page < 1302547959 618732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think EarthPorn may have been the first with that naming convention < 1302547960 76616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, not actually porn as such < 1302547975 301697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, humanporn might be < 1302547995 384627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might think, but no... < 1302548001 103888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION visited that one before
< 1302548001 569568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then what is it? < 1302548011 921367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm tv tropes sort of pioneered it no? < 1302548015 7963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scenery Porn and whatnot < 1302548021 784375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel < 1302548021 934724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is also a plain /r/porn, which _is_ what it sounds like < 1302548022 961148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well < 1302548028 58312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that actually predates tvtropes < 1302548029 741114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that may be < 1302548046 481799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "gorn" which is an obvious contraction < 1302548046 986270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is humanporn, I can't figure it out < 1302548062 543880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: however the subreddits started getting created only a month or so ago < 1302548071 449520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't that like an violence instead of sex? < 1302548073 740473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your mom only started getting created a month or so ago. shut up. < 1302548082 389607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man /r/earthporn is not going to be good for me < 1302548089 246081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think the actual subject is something like "awesome people" < 1302548092 318080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my list of places to visit will never stop increasing < 1302548096 140077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1302548098 8486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :portraits, really < 1302548105 816436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you tell me about this oerjan < 1302548113 182408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty ;_; < 1302548113 347927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are descriptions on the side < 1302548114 366236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302548117 192865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This subreddit is devoted to hi-res artistic portraits of individuals or groups of people. NSFW content is allowed, as long as it is flagged as NSFW." < 1302548124 764865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :humanporn: "This subreddit is devoted to hi-res artistic portraits of individuals or groups of people. NSFW content is allowed, as long as it is flagged as NSFW. There is a difference between art and smut. All smut will be removed, there are other subreddits for that." < 1302548126 18505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1302548217 34137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a very bad person < 1302548242 340162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/s/Ggybq what < 1302548276 570669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd guess a saltlake at dawn or dusk < 1302548287 300038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait spaceporn is actually older than earthporn < 1302548293 760916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's absolutely surreal < 1302548315 814197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, based on the title: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_Lake < 1302548323 452730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_Lake it's this < 1302548333 579729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I beat you to that < 1302548334 256025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everywhere so pretty ;;;___;;; < 1302548341 967713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, salt lake indeed as I said < 1302548356 771765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy < 1302548420 208919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't mono lake that place they found those arsenic bacteria < 1302548425 805219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1302548446 309097 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyes < 1302548463 211574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have to buy my plane tickets for me < 1302548479 535534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302548501 808843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT < 1302548535 555223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of tvtropes above. Their article on Dwarf Fortress is quite amusing < 1302548656 314181 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302548823 757471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, I doubt this one would be sent there. It is old. < 1302548844 678824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _are_ film clubs and the like that show old films. at least there is one in trondheim. < 1302548879 138610 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although wasn't cosmos a tv series rather than a movie < 1302548931 974071 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is worse than auto-tuning his voice < 1302548971 624864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now has the vague image of adjusting the visuals to be pornographic, while keeping the soundtrack as usual
< 1302549012 997844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have a dirty mind : < 1302549021 723538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : although wasn't cosmos a tv series rather than a movie <-- indeed < 1302549050 674710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: s/ :$// < 1302549119 397439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302549142 392487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if carl sagan and david attenborough ever made anything together < 1302549143 856151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302549147 427626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world still exists < 1302549156 463410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks Has The Earth Exploded From Awesomeness Yet?
< 1302549160 244110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, guess they never did < 1302549175 863709 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302549208 757258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, argh. 5 hours to go for next disc... < 1302549219 622204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes the mail delivers in the night) < 1302549339 71421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would appear they were at least autotuned into the same piece http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_of_Science#The_Unbroken_Thread < 1302549376 479679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY MESS WITH < 1302549386 187972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never actually listened to any of the post-glorious-dawn ones PROBABLY THEY SOLD OUT < 1302549431 272836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's the gcc stuff for likely/unlikely branches? < 1302549525 38569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, check manual, I don't remember it offhand. Something like __builtin_gcc_expect iirc < 1302549537 49926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically likely/unlikely are kernel macros < 1302549564 927435 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D73.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302549577 749724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that much < 1302549579 748317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the name i forgot < 1302549591 801200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it lectures me to profile < 1302549597 284877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT PROFILING FOR YOU < 1302549621 372573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can imagine a universe where bignum+bignum arithmetic is more common than bignum+fixnum or fixnum+fixnum, but it's sure as hell not this one < 1302549648 415656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302549678 654996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, profile to see if it actually helps < 1302549689 188206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : meh, all languages are just inferior versions of thue < 1302549709 895193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually find /// / Itflabtijtslwi more elegant than thue < 1302549722 928659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "Itflabtijtslwi"? < 1302549736 226863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a name < 1302549747 916664 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing the latter can do arbitrary stdin/stdout IO < 1302549786 282265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ignore this fancy little acronym, basically this is just that slashes language with input < 1302549794 983788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, haha < 1302549874 620083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't the one to name it though
< 1302549891 312254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i did write the slightly nontrivial programs < 1302549990 74310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302550864 227107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302551238 263001 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D73.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1302551324 657463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so is it BF-IO complete? < 1302551329 59477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or is it more limited? < 1302551447 946835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that means it can read and write any byte, then i believe so (although it needs a large table of characters if it is to recognize all of them, similarly to unlambda) < 1302551539 795406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i see no fundamental obstacles, given that i could write rot13 in it < 1302551566 272642 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302551595 321041 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302551657 715178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1302551667 916763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the zero byte? < 1302551757 931671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be a problem. it has a separate convention for EOF distinct from any character (in fact that _was_ my decision to clarify the spec when i wrote the perl implementation) < 1302551810 217802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless there is some bug related to how perl deals with NULs, but i would consider that a flaw in the implementation, not the language < 1302551862 450084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly how perl does that stuff < 1302551946 616588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that it should be _more_ IO-complete than an 8-bit BF implementation which cannot avoid confusing some characters with EOF < 1302552279 940183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302552291 196126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do you tell them apart in the source code? < 1302552384 375942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell what apart? < 1302552511 273913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GG command reads a char if available, and substitutes it for a chosen string. eof substitutes the empty string instead. < 1302552583 971589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302552694 754322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was up to me, I would have the C pointers with NULL work like: An implicit cast from a constant 0 is NULL. An implicit cast from any other number, or a non-constant 0, is a compile error. An explicit cast from any number to a pointer is the corresponding address, so 0 might not necessarily be NULL. < 1302552757 118816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implicit cast from a pointer to boolean is true if and only if it is not NULL. An implicit cast from pointer to number is a compiler error, but an explicit cast works and 0 will not necessarily be NULL. < 1302553227 522574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302553230 229116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how do you determine at compile time if something is an "non-constant 0" as opposed to for example, a number in the range 3-4? "An implicit cast from any other number, or a non-constant 0, is a compile error." < 1302553285 258877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't really matter for this < 1302553308 490729 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the compiler sees it a constant expression or not, I mean, an expression without variable/function call < 1302553315 466976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302554835 978206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1302554957 498452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302554960 612140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21:18: elliott, profile to see if it actually helps < 1302554962 632436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficult < 1302554964 555100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an application < 1302554984 248267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was it then? < 1302554984 418101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this case, gcc is being used to generate instruction implementations for a JIT) < 1302554989 131613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1302554994 95690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21:49: i actually find /// / Itflabtijtslwi more elegant than thue < 1302554996 453594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's true. < 1302555000 760799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do test cases with/without it maybe < 1302555006 453523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1302555020 600649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:50:47: assuming that means it can read and write any byte, then i believe so (although it needs a large table of characters if it is to recognize all of them, similarly to unlambda) < 1302555027 303930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's more like that + arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point < 1302555028 482734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the < 1302555037 50442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B... = bf program with no output < 1302555038 527117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1302555038 900667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P... = print this < 1302555046 666644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :language has both input and output of any byte, but, right :) < 1302555087 766357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, this code path appears for every arithmetic op < 1302555093 684522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and fixnums are overwhelmingly the common case < 1302555101 180476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see < 1302555125 391357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure if you seen the df thread about how to best set up a mermaid farm? Because their bones are valuable when crafting things of them. < 1302555133 986811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in dwarf fortress! < 1302555150 472547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i don't read that forum < 1302555169 45278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sometimes it can be fun, or horrible: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=25967.0 < 1302555174 32916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i could do test cases, but so far there are no language implementations on top of this host < 1302555189 801962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it for that language for PH's game? < 1302555211 179938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1302555214 912660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's Fythe < 1302555224 961866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mhm, which one is that? < 1302555228 15817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, strictly, gcc doesn't generate the implementations < 1302555233 237981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates a partial implementation < 1302555237 826238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is then cleaned up with a perl script < 1302555242 659276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a patch is kept to it < 1302555245 16859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on a specific gcc version then? < 1302555246 714526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fill in things like function prologuee < 1302555250 855672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/epilogue < 1302555252 316681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prologue < 1302555256 43472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "jump to here if not overflow" < 1302555284 436723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fythe is Gregor's general-purpose language implementation VM/parser system < 1302555297 67250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basis of (the as of yet unimplemented) Plof 4 < 1302555305 318234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it depends on a specific gcc version < 1302555309 525862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the patches are pretty general < 1302555327 317471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the overflow stuff will have to be redone, but the prologue/epilogue things should be all right < 1302555331 529599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're just replacing a string :) < 1302555338 857733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302555367 369420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you doing evil mangler sort of stuff instead of using llvm or something < 1302555395 982073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because LLVM doesn't fit Plof's needs? < 1302555406 166407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in what ways= < 1302555408 865159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1302555410 549637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fythe is suited for dynamic languages, as well as static onse < 1302555411 391977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones < 1302555418 574097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a built-in extensible packrat parser engine < 1302555422 142793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302555424 659520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which forms the basis of Plof's language extension features < 1302555427 909880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed Plof's implementation itself < 1302555435 340664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement a language in Fythe without writing any C code, basically < 1302555452 121943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the evil mangler stuff is Gregor's idea, it's just how the opcode impls are generated < 1302555465 124021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hand-code them if you wanted, but if that route was taken, there probably wouldn't already be an arm backend :P < 1302555484 993350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302555493 668271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, it has an optimisation engine type of thing built in < 1302555499 619394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, really, arbitrary numbers of passes < 1302555510 664415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all this is done at runtime < 1302555533 129683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I'm doing is changing the integer implementation to use bignums on overflow and the like < 1302555559 598905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302555624 726561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I could free up a register by adding the two booleans < 1302555627 419654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conditioning on that < 1302555634 904994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that wouldn't let me distinguish right only vs. left only bignum < 1302555655 595938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mangle mangle twist and tangle < 1302555742 587831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302555791 845043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302555798 867659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyy, gcc has AWESOME builtins < 1302555827 604957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gc spurn and pointer dangle < 1302555841 395553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302555845 371033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the builtin that looks cool isn't in 4.4 < 1302555898 108983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically __builtin_unreachable < 1302555906 549654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that would reduce the mangling a little bit < 1302555917 46779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the null pointer derefs should become __builtin_trap() instead maybe < 1302556124 216436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fun thing the mangler has to do: rename all labels < 1302556140 358033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise gcc generates them terribly (seemingly pseudo-randomly) < 1302556141 671292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the diff breaks < 1302556295 100348 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1302556487 30748 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030148.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweethearts < 1302556659 495815 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302556827 471527 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-224.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302557773 810719 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302557808 583196 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1302557981 538817 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://codu.org/tmp/reverb-2011-04-11.tar <-- this tar includes no reverb, simple reverb, pan+reverb, and my full room reverb system. < 1302558003 763374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302558015 470170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :will check tomorrow, have to sleep now. Will wget it < 1302558018 581692 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple reverb and full room reverb are actually the most similar, but simple reverb gives no sense of space, whereas pan+reverb gives a distorted, actually kind of disturbing sense of space. < 1302558114 101250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pork. < 1302558172 503984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sentence no reverb < 1302558241 6285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,mnbgyuio < 1302558330 402491 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how you would converse if you could only use neighboring keys consecutively
< 1302558340 678281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly, i assume < 1302558464 76925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :redsassertfreesaws < 1302558491 514848 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I just had two ideas for a programming language < 1302558498 40037 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't actually esoteric ideas < 1302558502 616469 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ones that will make programmers hate me! < 1302558548 350163 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) parentheses and other similar things aren't required to be closed or opened, in fact, they are just operators (this will annoy people < 1302558562 471888 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) white-space affects precedence < 1302558576 456282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter has been done < 1302558589 17820 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1302558601 865620 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall where < 1302558613 24036 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, would've been nice to look up < 1302558627 452113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was discussed here, anyway < 1302558634 204681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan wonders how you would converse if you could only use neighboring keys consecutively < 1302558665 760285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyujk, mjuuik, ,li < 1302558667 271231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1302558689 585722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: even merd did the latter :) < 1302558690 251875 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one channel I'm on < 1302558692 95394 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Esolang where the program is a general digraph. :-) < 1302558694 221354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :merd.sf.net < 1302558706 553960 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we once communicated in three-letter abbreviations < 1302558708 229503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the left side seemed to have more promise. although i ignored the return key... < 1302558709 7411 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1302558718 732553 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to look sort of pseudo-assemblerlike < 1302558764 612491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :werdfeedsaweddedsasser < 1302558765 761230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: tla huh < 1302558783 47494 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course we did it all-caps < 1302558793 775336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fe? < 1302558799 632412 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus points for not associating any data with vertices or edges and having any digraph be valid program. < 1302558806 57692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: werd-feeds-a-wedded-sasser < 1302558818 834319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no o, dammit < 1302558822 352593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i mean f does not touch e < 1302558824 747153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: graphica? < 1302558829 981224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure it does, diagonally < 1302558837 876040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a break :D < 1302558856 538127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if your keyboard is like a chessboard pattern, maybe < 1302558878 930956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fredsaswedded... bah < 1302558881 400336 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302558991 280390 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that would involve digraph homomorphism problem. < 1302559049 778270 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also likely vertex equivalence. < 1302559134 416708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that NP-complete? < 1302559193 251708 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph homomorphism isn't known to be in P nor in NPC. Don't know if digraphs change things. < 1302559210 326110 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about vertex equivalence. < 1302559220 404113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's vertex eq < 1302559236 182490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean isomorphism for the "not known"? < 1302559257 489530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1302559258 340908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph homosexuality < 1302559291 423628 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, isomorphic. < 1302559309 934067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm, homomorphism has it as a subcase < 1302559322 303438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have the same amount of edges and vertices < 1302559335 650853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302559343 950136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be known to be np-complete < 1302559346 136677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know it < 1302559355 997681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, homomorphism is NPC < 1302559365 71142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :subgraph is easily seen to be np-complete so prolly okay < 1302559389 980009 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdpuhnapblvsohqi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302559395 586303 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgbdmuwyyvaggmku JOIN :#esoteric < 1302559401 33014 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the proof? < 1302559411 431414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw it claimed on wp < 1302559416 477486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1302559428 270660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well easy to believe, maybe i'll think about it later < 1302559430 300090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however actually isomorphism is _not_ a subcase of homomorphism < 1302559436 576698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not obviously < 1302559445 603817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the map is not required to be injective < 1302559462 142303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" when you have the same amount of edges and vertices"? < 1302559469 401666 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for homomorphism) < 1302559474 561763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help < 1302559485 118447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1302559498 5089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't know what a function is then < 1302559517 481017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you have a homomorphism from C4 to itself which collapses two opposing vertices < 1302559536 49472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that's not surjective? < 1302559551 601369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :homomorphisms are not required to be surjective either < 1302559559 165200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so i guess the problem is me assuming it's assumed surjective < 1302559572 236177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that makes more sense < 1302559573 152910 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302559632 510842 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302559659 788167 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subgraph isomorphism is NP-Complete. But is isomorphism with full graphs? < 1302559661 374229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, alternatively, it is my opinion that the epimorphism problem is more natural than the homomorphism problem < 1302559672 949584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that's the unknown thing < 1302559674 360521 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that is the unknown question < 1302559730 322983 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, for the homomorphism problem, i don't really see how it can be NPC, since you can just map everything to a single vertex? < 1302559752 231584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm < 1302559758 879840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, you cannot map vertices that have edges between them to the same < 1302559769 134701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right yeah < 1302559779 420468 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should work < 1302559799 946126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it suffices to consider the "from" graph being complete, for which homomorphism and subgraph isomorphism become the same, and also the same as the maximal clique problem? < 1302559830 161829 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same because injectivity is then automatic) < 1302559868 690847 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertex equivalence is equivalence relation: Vertex is equivalent to itself, it is symmetric relation and if x is equivalent to y, and y is equivalent to z, then x is equivalent to z. < 1302559870 936577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's the from graph < 1302559890 545466 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030148.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. < 1302559904 968642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: thank you for this < 1302559905 734297 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, all C_n and K_n graphs have all vertices equivaent. K_n,m graphs (biparite) have two sets of equivalent vertices. < 1302559929 806701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302559961 344414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: did god give you The Equivalence Relation? < 1302559966 379957 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302560006 173146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"from" graph as in the one from which you try to find stuff? that can't be complete < 1302560009 529576 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302560025 22862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "from" graph as the domain of the homomorphism function < 1302560071 816986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so homomorphism from K_n to some graph G actually marks a K_n in G < 1302560075 482764 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map goes from the set of vertices of one graph to the set of vertices of another < 1302560086 891302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302560087 467929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we < 1302560091 961266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re done < 1302560095 15496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me try to see why. < 1302560115 517324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as i said it's the maximal clique problem, no? < 1302560124 59800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1302560128 180819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we can just take that as a given < 1302560137 926776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that's NPC < 1302560146 566670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone knows that < 1302560156 778429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues thinking anyway
< 1302560229 47706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subgraph isomorphism is a generalization of both the maximum clique problem and the problem of testing whether a graph contains a Hamiltonian cycle, and is therefore NP-complete." < 1302560250 533323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1302560274 377437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hamiltonian thing doesn't look like it would transfer to homomorphisms though < 1302560291 568730 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cycles can easily have vertices identified) < 1302560340 278709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could add new vertices inside the edges to make them directed and unique for the beginning vertex? < 1302560349 206126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302560352 912007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work at all < 1302560357 351939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise? < 1302560367 77904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers sleeping
< 1302560440 153347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clique problem was one of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karp%27s_21_NP-complete_problems < 1302560493 72935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur mom is a np < 1302560667 975722 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course vertex equivalence and graph isomorphism are equally hard. :-) < 1302560687 742385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's vertex equivalence? < 1302560726 608950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NP-complete_problems#Iso-_and_other_morphisms lists somthing called digraph D-morphism, but the link leads nowhere < 1302560802 225370 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1302560844 95951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses that vertex equivalence means there's an isomorphism of the graph to itself mapping one vertex to the other
< 1302560884 889232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i don't see the equally hard claim < 1302560930 57331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then vertex eq can be reduced to graph isomorphism by marking the vertex with some weird thingie i think < 1302560955 444890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1302560956 969288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the other direction i don't see in the vaguest < 1302560975 66922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1302561001 770943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1302561026 88576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a graph that is the disjoint union of the two, and see if there is a vertex equivalence between vertices from different original graphs < 1302561033 620327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302561037 369416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one < 1302561050 954095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah of course < 1302561081 683439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i solved maximum clique < 1302561103 172064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving it NP-complete? < 1302561110 260249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302561137 400760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 3sat, and for each (x v y v z) you take three vertices which are not connected, then connect every pair x, y everywhere else, unless x = not y < 1302561148 374502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i vaguely recall thinking about that one some months ago < 1302561150 583818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and require one vertex for all < 1302561163 473986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so find K_n where n is the number of clauses < 1302561194 618889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :must choose exactly one from all, and it's then K_n unless you made a contradicting choice in two clauses < 1302561222 523079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302561229 957873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i know that was very unclear < 1302561286 589926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's see if i know what i mean < 1302561359 278516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find some K_n, then you chose one from each clause, so you can just set those to true, then it doesn't matter what you do with other vars, because everything's satisfied < 1302561378 17662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can set those to true because there can't be both x and not x chosen from two clauses < 1302561402 615785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can satisfy, then just choose one from each clause, you won't get x and not x because, well, x has some value < 1302561425 367926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never felt this formally challenged
< 1302561448 878857 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are u grokking meh :( < 1302561530 632268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall how i did it, and i think you have a flaw there. you need to also have a vertex for each variable x and each not x, to ensure all settings are globally consistent < 1302561555 633367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise, that's the idea < 1302561567 382858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need a vertex for each variable < 1302561592 90846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do, because you can have a set of clauses that restrict a variable without doing so "locally" < 1302561614 209989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a K_n marks a true variable in every clause < 1302561629 426026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1302561635 344767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a satisfying valuation < 1302561637 816583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conversely < 1302561654 335367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah this might not be the most illustrative way, i just didn't see how it's done with variable vertices < 1302561677 841518 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you choose the correct value of each variable into the K_n, as vertices? < 1302561679 886924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1302561703 135128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you choose that value also in those thingies i contructed i guess < 1302561714 579018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff happens < 1302561726 870906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyhow it's kinda obvious, i should go to sleep < 1302561961 709667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think i understand how your method works now < 1302561982 404231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1302561999 443597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm like should i try to actually do it or not < 1302562002 192272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i can like not < 1302562006 746694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302562033 327576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept 14 hours last night but for some reason i can't seem to do it now < 1302562079 729074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the proof for hamiltonian path np-complete? < 1302562117 842809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually going to read that tomorrow, it's interesting how often the stuff i do at random at uni pops up here < 1302562123 722871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall that < 1302562128 955213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually complexity theory but other stuff too i think < 1302562137 422773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't usually do ct) < 1302562144 463383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean, read ct) < 1302562149 65589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't *do* ct) < 1302562152 113883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no one does ct) < 1302562183 234838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well *directed* hamiltonian is easy < 1302562188 248409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume the people over at godel's letter do... < 1302562221 846722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the karp 21 page claimed undirected hamiltonian was proved by reducing it to directed < 1302562230 638777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a chain from right to left and left to right for each variable, and put these under each other, have the hamiltonian cycle go through each, in one of the two directions < 1302562236 104428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, for each clause < 1302562246 676056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a vertex, and you can visit it iff you're going in the right direction < 1302562262 320676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one of its variables < 1302562298 336649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is clear when you draw a picture, but i doubt it's gettable from that :D < 1302562474 201585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you have a start vertex up high, and two paths down from it, then between those paths, between their nth vertices, you have paths in both directions, one representing "nth variable true", one representing "nth variable false". you also have edges for changing path from left side to right as you go down < 1302562526 919243 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, somewhere in the middle of say x=false path, you have one of the edges optionally going through a vertex that signifies that a certain clause disjuncting (not x) is true < 1302562549 590772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be pretty much it < 1302562596 272061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has brain mush again
< 1302562609 590793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain mushmshmsuhmsuhsmhshmsuhmsuhmsmhshsmhsmhsmhsmhsmhmshmshmshmsmhsmhsmhsmhsnhsmhsmh < 1302562628 850417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be happy to clarify if you feel like it < 1302562644 393672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how the fuck do you reduce directed to undirected.... < 1302562661 858441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1302562671 464184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :undirected reduced to directed? why would you do that :D < 1302562693 824573 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have edges both ways.. < 1302562694 817535 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i guess the other way < 1302562709 970455 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302562773 103077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "reduced" as reducing NP-completeness of one to the NP-completeness of the other, which is of course the exact opposite direction of the actual problem reduction < 1302562773 253243 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so about the undirected case: i have no idea < 1302562798 925941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302562806 989979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apology accepted < 1302562809 925654 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone makes mistakes < 1302562822 299413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S NOT OVERDO THIS < 1302562822 449707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the ones that are stuppid < 1302562823 943053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1302562826 469406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhahahahaahaa < 1302562857 292225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to wake up in 4 hours if i want to be at uni before the cleaning ppl :( < 1302562875 252482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the girl that cleans our office is the cutest little thingie < 1302562937 356354 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that was a completely orthogonal note < 1302562946 258030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even going to the office < 1302563003 394044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow let's see how this goes after proving these mindnumbing trivialities -> < 1302563451 821901 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302563464 303669 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302563469 645439 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564582 180650 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302564660 100639 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302564779 30080 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564877 845231 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564884 12813 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Changing host < 1302564884 162870 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564955 919069 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030148.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302565724 594974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bayesians caught smuggling < 1302565724 785367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :priors into Rotterdam harbor < 1302565724 798772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rogier A. Kievit < 1302565724 798956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amsterdam, 2-2-2011. A group of < 1302565726 697977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :international Bayesians was arrested today in < 1302565728 548083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Rotterdam harbor. According to Dutch < 1302565730 566780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :customs, they were attempting to smuggle over < 1302565732 505378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 million priors into the country, hidden < 1302565734 678838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :between electronic equipment. The arrest < 1302565736 712554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :represents the largest capture of priors in history. < 1302565738 625733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘This is our biggest catch yet. Uniform priors, Gaussian priors, Dirichlet priors, even < 1302565740 622238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :informative priors, it’s all here,” says customs officers Benjamin Roosken, < 1302565742 462279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :responsible for the arrest. “There are priors for memory experiments, intelligence < 1302565744 598209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tests, flanker tasks, meta-analyses, political preference, everything! God only knows < 1302565746 646172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would have happened if this had gotten through. We’re pretty lucky to catch < 1302565748 496794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them too. The chance of being in the right place, given the right time, if you take into < 1302565750 694955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :account the number of arrests, divided by the number of successful arrests every year, < 1302565754 564592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s pretty slim. We’re very glad indeed. ” < 1302565756 551038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that pasted terribly < 1302565856 396125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302566216 536259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302566394 797131 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302566533 364131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302566620 386412 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302566757 736711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302567064 781170 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302567165 89952 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302567295 128131 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302567481 924852 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302568037 364943 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302568290 789636 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302569383 31146 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302569464 843760 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302569493 925408 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302569937 425359 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302570132 692047 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302570577 121084 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, 269 page RFC. < 1302570583 62703 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302570589 118300 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3261) < 1302570710 910890 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302571726 961872 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302571782 904398 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302571891 78269 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302572445 368572 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Huston estimate for APNIC depletion is Thursday 21st April (my own current estimate is Monday 18th April). Of course, it can deplete at any day nwo. < 1302572448 407811 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1302574564 952978 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302574607 258898 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302574935 63870 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302575034 942519 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302576107 550608 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302576135 960494 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302576234 382001 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302576821 888353 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302577335 893531 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/Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()Nb < 1302578142 555483 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1302578146 573160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()Nb < 1302578147 265657 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1302578207 204753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg more /// stuff! < 1302578209 845068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just reading this log < 1302578212 49115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you do /// stuff < 1302578213 848115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me happy < 1302578231 975825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, do for /// what you did for UL :trollface: < 1302578237 187517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still tc without \?! < 1302578251 630322 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()Nb < 1302578254 395774 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1302578258 269986 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny guy < 1302578263 338610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this anyway < 1302578282 730300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing the number of ()'s in decimal < 1302578300 150084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()Nb < 1302578302 641246 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 < 1302578315 293497 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()Nb < 1302578316 157274 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1302578319 470096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/NaNb < 1302578320 262313 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1302578329 236179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seems to work < 1302578360 335368 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good then. < 1302578376 294445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /()()()()()/5/()()()()() < 1302578378 218562 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1302578380 9208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mine's shorter. < 1302578390 4003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _so_ general < 1302578398 121204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the number of ()s, what more do you want < 1302578507 972375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, they've made a movie out of atlas shrugged < 1302578513 622956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely contain my excitement!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1302578517 49343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 < 1302578520 149623 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it 2834927349872398789 hours long < 1302578523 389551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELEVEN < 1302578535 709527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: close, 28349273498723987890 < 1302578536 22236 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302578537 188356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot a 0 < 1302578551 601661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM < 1302578557 669775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the motion is weird, all super-smooth < 1302578586 858456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they filmed it in TV movie fps ;D < 1302578644 79509 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302578877 62517 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302579002 862457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//Na()()()NbN0 < 1302579005 320110 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()()() < 1302579011 811454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//Na()()()()()NbN0 < 1302579012 556311 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()()()()() < 1302579018 587724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//NaNbN0 < 1302579019 437098 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1302579024 160623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your code approaches saltiness < 1302579033 223369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()()()NbN0 < 1302579034 59758 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()() < 1302579038 588465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()()()()()NbN0 < 1302579039 321697 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()()() < 1302579043 226472 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()NbN0 < 1302579049 138789 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//NaNbN0 < 1302579065 461518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//NaNbN0hm < 1302579066 425428 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302579084 459231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nc()\/N1Nc\/\/Nc\/\/\/N0\/NcN1\//Na()()()NbN0 < 1302579085 204320 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()()()()()()()() < 1302579086 841375 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes < 1302579094 625660 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nc()\/N1Nc\/\/Nc\/\/\/N0\/NcN1\//Na()()()()NbN0 < 1302579095 412733 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() < 1302579109 377133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ hm < 1302579116 896203 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/\//Na()()()NbN0 < 1302579117 811000 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :()()() < 1302579136 226424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Useless ;; can we declare war on the state of TehZ? < 1302579148 166771 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just needed to append something to check that it was properly empty and not a crash < 1302579354 920630 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302579450 197615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302579457 359736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302579540 960490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:21 Now for an important question: Given only the characters / and \, what should the BCT interpreter output? < 1302579541 149172 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302579542 490365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kittens < 1302579563 970992 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302579820 499058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302579827 791099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302579844 178894 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302579903 636300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not, alas, an option. < 1302580105 499134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1302580109 44764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like kittens? < 1302580182 710769 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but outputting kittens with just / and \ is rather difficult < 1302580205 203245 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302580216 40148 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302580317 277073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /\ /\ < 1302580317 427260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1302580317 427440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| \/ \/ | < 1302580317 427559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ / < 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:elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nyder.com/cthulhu/graphics/hello_cthulhu2.gif < 1302580418 117727 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's favorite madness-inducing plush monster < 1302580478 343442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up < 1302580730 590036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302580737 538474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302580737 865267 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302580741 703986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL OERJAN? < 1302581035 103713 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302581225 310965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302581535 979960 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT 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:#esoteric < 1302585606 863190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302585637 300929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302586605 48503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is worse than auto-tuning his voice < 1302586605 214209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan now has the vague image of adjusting the visuals to be pornographic, while keeping the soundtrack as usual < 1302586609 124411 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302586609 716680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotune for video? < 1302586830 433143 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302587152 275365 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302587735 419773 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302587735 802963 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302587735 953077 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302588376 996309 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302588662 333466 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302588929 629561 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302588939 972888 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302588970 996650 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302590308 5896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the PAQ8HP series, the dictionary is organized by grouping syntactically and semantically related words together. This allows models to use just the most significant bits of the dictionary codes as context." < 1302590320 395631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this means we could start doing lossy text compression < 1302590340 705623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :start by losing exact words...you might get back a synonym instead < 1302590375 571286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then losing grammatical constructs and turns of phrase, where you might get back a different, but also grammatically-correct, and semantically equivalent phrase < 1302592010 367395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what is the PAQ8HP? < 1302592352 381718 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302592597 43111 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302592965 299952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up <--- what were *you* doing up? < 1302593859 669467 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302594190 215499 :pentesilea!~patrick@80-219-224-28.dclient.hispeed.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1302594766 821386 :pentesilea!~patrick@80-219-224-28.dclient.hispeed.ch QUIT : < 1302594901 374848 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-160.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302595165 590806 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302596134 859887 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302596181 324320 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302596188 802336 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302596197 510952 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302596372 92148 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1302596405 254275 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302596601 269081 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1302597725 137745 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302597733 467700 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://infinigons.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-programming-new-math.html < 1302597750 515916 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to leave this here. < 1302597837 347579 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it actually seems saner than the title makes out. < 1302597917 420335 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302598138 338701 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302599167 116209 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302600101 139385 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030178.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302600185 866996 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060225.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302600265 713607 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-160.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302601674 957723 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302601862 135624 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302601887 301901 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302601981 602450 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1302602538 962760 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302603389 447739 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302603410 420636 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302604083 290695 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302604489 353982 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302608527 826125 :asiekierka[ds]!~asie@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302608528 846788 :asiekierka[ds]!~asie@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302609021 80670 :asiekierka[ds]!~asie@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302610621 641709 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302610646 273931 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302611052 784822 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Just heard a rumour that APNIC has allocated 90%+ of their free address pool. Whoah. The final statistics file comes in about 3 hours. < 1302611978 578836 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had exact numbers too. And the sum of those numbers does check against remaining IP count I got yesterday. < 1302612051 907344 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a few Twitter postings saying APNIC has "~525.000" addresses left now before the last /8. < 1302612951 684574 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302613027 910319 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite close to number I heard (525 056, which is multiple of /24). < 1302613582 315298 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302613582 713424 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302613582 864305 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302613770 104207 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302614182 401176 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302615358 851447 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reportedly ~4M of those are temporary allocations (for debogon), but they won't be released before everything but final /8 runs out. < 1302615572 970504 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302616647 30981 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302617016 536982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302617042 566597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302617731 14195 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302617770 696440 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302617808 523370 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302619047 460938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302619843 313283 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302620096 830144 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302620738 803781 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-38.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302621340 895699 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302621741 511570 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302621904 534156 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.38 (525056 / 0.03 remain): 2x2k+2x1k+256+2x/32 to Australia, 512k+256k+64k+6x32k+13x16k+60x8k+68x4k+96x2k to China, 1k to Guam, 256 to Hong Kong, 4M(!!!)+1k to Indonesia, 2k to India, 2x16k+4k to Japan, 1k to South Korea, /32 to Pakistan, 256+/48 to Singapore. < 1302621930 140506 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302621954 331352 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predicted depletion date: Tomorrow. < 1302621965 281176 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :down 0.38 to 0.03? wow. < 1302622314 142899 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also looks like somebody's allocation got really fragmented. I count 2M addresses in 242(!) fragments. < 1302622382 449372 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302622382 808052 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302622382 958752 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302622908 815611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302622950 567463 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302623106 297835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:22:45: oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up <--- what were *you* doing up? < 1302623108 954236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only almost 5 am < 1302623142 985571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:54: Predicted depletion date: Tomorrow. < 1302623144 135299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1302623238 701245 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624018 217147 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-112-151.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302624032 873428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was only almost 5 am <-- ah okay. Carry on then < 1302624114 603586 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624277 607810 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624315 756962 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-70-162.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624316 372622 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari http://www.hostblogger.de/blog/archives/5199-Video-We-are-running-out-of-ip-addresses.html < 1302624328 674247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS SO LAST HOUR < 1302624334 894408 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1302624342 581352 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr ørjan. < 1302624370 905067 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:05] * ørjan :Erroneous Nickname < 1302624386 12915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing that. < 1302624461 197003 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302624534 212929 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I have seen that video before. < 1302624584 2928 :FireFly!~firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624584 771338 :FireFly!~firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se QUIT :Changing host < 1302624584 922476 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624587 535038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302624638 515309 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: :) < 1302624872 730608 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302624982 808333 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302625014 29642 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that 4M block will likely be back to allocation soon, but not before APNIC has already run out (but that block will be gone really rapidly when it is back). < 1302625017 909282 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302625310 993508 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC IPv6 pool: 1 039 095 /32s remaining. < 1302625426 44511 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :514 808 /32s to go before reaching the half-block threshold. < 1302625697 59517 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with all APNIC IPv6 allocations/assignements being a total of 27 893 /32s. < 1302625756 836492 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302625930 677278 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302625951 447961 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC needs to expand the allocations some 18.4-fold to reach the half-block limit. < 1302626075 625864 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34BE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302626079 96715 :azaq23!~derivecto@pD9E34BE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1302626079 247068 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302626654 839394 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302627609 703200 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302628099 86116 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302628288 924814 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302628293 410379 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it a pretty horrible thought that psychopaths aren't nice people because they don't have feelings that force them to be that way < 1302628309 673210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's just tv that has given me the impression < 1302628360 241825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i find that i'm amoral only when not thinking clearly < 1302628377 407950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is vaguely suspicious of oklopol's definition of moral
< 1302628399 785024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err, are you suggesting sociopaths are just constantly confused :D < 1302628431 879297 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, on the contrary, it is my understanding that they are automatically supposed to be amoral because they don't have a conscience < 1302628452 574308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have really have a conscience either afaik < 1302628470 521527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just never did anything wrong < 1302628481 670764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to assess the risk to humanity oklopol poses
< 1302628507 87417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the one who once said your life is more valuable than anything in the world < 1302628540 620635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't let more than a few people i know die before myself; although probably thousands of people i don't know < 1302628575 902184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say that? i don't remember saying that. < 1302628576 539456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the distance too < 1302628591 406557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said that humans are prone to valuing themselves over pretty much everything else. < 1302628592 555313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have misunderstood < 1302628596 393390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is certainly true < 1302628597 498077 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was part of that one torture talk < 1302628673 384579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, looks like my counting of the sequences were off < 1302628675 984915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually 702 posts < 1302628690 14895 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302628704 417853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1302628834 443318 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302628899 316556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1302629043 183815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: STATE YOUR BUSINESS or i guess you can idle too. < 1302629156 630363 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my business is usually idling < 1302629207 862712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't monqy been here before PRETTY SURE THEY HAVE < 1302629214 742613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be trying to invade :/ < 1302629237 851799 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday, at least. maybe the day before < 1302629241 461589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, i can't be polite and welcoming to people who have been here before? < 1302629263 592030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is quite a ruin ur fun pants < 1302629277 715805 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302629288 791651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you on the wiki? < 1302629295 490360 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1302629338 328620 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302629338 478946 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302629338 479091 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302629414 507327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there was a programming language based on stuff? < 1302629430 238897 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i was thinking, there could be things too < 1302629445 541763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the coolest is that it's completely based on stuff and things < 1302629449 421230 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still it's tc < 1302629454 393846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it python < 1302629465 876654 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1302629469 789108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck < 1302629482 258966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy asks me today < 1302629487 665066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does python have matrices in some lib < 1302629490 120828 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302629493 493325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :numpy < 1302629497 74902 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no they forgot" < 1302629498 56037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1302629500 693438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302629521 763328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, i need to write a few programs in ml < 1302629525 229938 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this course < 1302629529 342789 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're really hard listen < 1302629544 10903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to write this func that takes two lists of the same length, and then it like zips them < 1302629560 672975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOW < 1302629568 152163 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively of course so that you learn to think like a person who writes recursive functions for a living < 1302629581 749744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dude, that's, like, a catamorphism. < 1302629592 597179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaaa < 1302629639 830978 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write recursive functions for a living if someone paid me to write recursive functions < 1302629642 290360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isms are bad. < 1302629677 620171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so is your name pronounced like paraguay or like fish < 1302629745 693192 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302629780 288535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does is this look a good one: fun zip a,b and c,d = c:: d+a zip < 1302629784 119111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna submit that < 1302629792 866919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1302629799 419875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i made it better < 1302629803 789510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302629804 894972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnest funfest zip a,b and c,d = c:: d+a zip < 1302629806 876706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1302629807 27033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have recursion call < 1302629817 531278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i have that cut a list in a pices < 1302629831 635434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need knife.ml to cut thing < 1302629833 24409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sz < 1302629836 761392 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really sleep < 1302629837 853475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tuhingsz < 1302629846 895199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i'm really sleep < 1302629850 340720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :360) i'm really sleep < 1302629850 846301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never seem to get a good night's oklopol < 1302629858 84443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1302629864 523913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop hitting on me silyl :D < 1302629867 352042 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how monqy is pronounced, myself. I usually pronounce it like mɒnki, but I might be wrong < 1302629869 238568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silly < 1302629880 626199 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it your actual first name? < 1302629895 596505 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; that would be a silly first name < 1302629908 839098 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs quietly at the first name he's hidden for so many years.
< 1302629939 64306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's sad that your name is one of your things < 1302629962 867211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how awesome it is < 1302629963 25927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that ... was a sentence. < 1302629972 562016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1302629994 280336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing = memorable thing about a thing < 1302630003 572402 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302630007 337806 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, a thing < 1302630013 589319 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Changing host < 1302630013 739722 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302630013 739852 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Changing host < 1302630013 739932 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302630015 700578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1302630021 989486 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1302630027 767512 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Unlike okloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklo < 1302630041 245469 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick is kind of one of my things i suppose < 1302630051 291779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people like talking about it for some reason < 1302630064 850571 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have told us that Gregor is your actual name like 50 times < 1302630091 709340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not < 1302630094 739615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty cool < 1302630098 638294 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302630109 847930 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my aunt says she saw someone walking around Venice who I swear is the Slender Man except he had a pink shirt on which kind of spoils the image. < 1302630115 1278 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont't think I've told you fifty times, probably only when relevant and otherwise implied :P < 1302630123 926608 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PINK SHIRTS SPOIL NOTHING < 1302630139 444711 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY SPOIL MENACINGNESS < 1302630149 783952 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he had a woman walking with him. < 1302630152 932265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well at least 4, you pretty much mention it every time people talk about not using their name on them nets < 1302630161 50733 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is a lot, i've only seen like 100000 of your lines < 1302630182 1031 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i like reading the same ones many times, i just grep Gregor and go nuts) < 1302630200 196082 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am only one of two people who regularly talks here that uses his real name ... < 1302630225 825033 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other being pooppy, his real name is in fact Pooppy (although he translated it into Latin on IRC) < 1302630232 269487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ais < 1302630235 402140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1302630246 123661 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol yes? < 1302630265 107157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: just saying your name is actually asiekierka < 1302630268 454116 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not! < 1302630270 818886 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real name is adrian < 1302630275 165471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1302630277 628895 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1302630279 958531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1302630281 482690 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka is short for adrian siekierka < 1302630283 847910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to this guy < 1302630283 998162 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think < 1302630287 393108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : So my aunt says she saw someone walking around Venice who I swear is the Slender Man except he had a pink shirt on which kind of spoils the image. < 1302630290 718592 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you think im asie kierka or something < 1302630292 159763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "is Slenderman" u illiterate fuk < 1302630301 815621 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :myth busted. anything else? < 1302630303 494749 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: ais isn't ais's actual name either, but based on it < 1302630309 95725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess the the is acceptable < 1302630309 716183 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also aren't you testy < 1302630316 712062 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :testy? < 1302630319 961515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I am only one of two people who regularly talks here that uses his real name ... < 1302630325 970659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually subhuman, so I'm not offended. < 1302630336 676716 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We all know your real name is Alice. < 1302630337 220896 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott what are you < 1302630344 415705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Alise < 1302630346 78514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE STORY < 1302630347 913153 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor how do you know it's not Parry < 1302630349 975831 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1302630356 850941 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, because if it's Alise then that would mean you have used your real name ;) < 1302630365 103243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o snap < 1302630367 892964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually Estoppel. < 1302630374 348102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Estoppel Verquire St.XII < 1302630375 73869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel :DDDDDDDDDDD < 1302630387 378439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were THE times < 1302630387 528876 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:44] it's "is Slenderman" u illiterate fuk < 1302630390 517134 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saint thirteen??? < 1302630395 240856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES < 1302630426 162205 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm sorry but my amygdala makes my life hell if I read about it so I'm not exactly well-versed. < 1302630456 235737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is an amygdala. < 1302630510 690825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: sorry typoed, meant to say tasty < 1302630669 980164 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese is so good < 1302630810 199406 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Why don't you go fuck a fruit basket. < 1302630812 925076 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And you're a slut. < 1302630817 786946 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1302630818 652838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1302630828 575361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ( < 1302630838 717609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the saddest smiley < 1302630847 490143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no eyes < 1302630851 364799 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD now for years the entire conversation will be in an unmatched paren D-8 < 1302630853 539273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pure 100% sadness < 1302630862 939942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1302630868 493323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302630869 670857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i thought the : after Gregor was the eyes < 1302630869 821180 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* < 1302630870 408647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy times < 1302630875 716245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space made it ten times as sad < 1302630879 941290 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor" is the hat. < 1302630891 238058 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's wearing my name as a hat, and sad that he doesn't have a nose. < 1302630896 177727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i get it, because you love hats < 1302630902 435866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the hat < 1302630910 663142 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, "Gregor" will be a synonym for "hat" < 1302630916 282524 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302630922 631311 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's raining, grab your Gregor" no wait, maybe I don't want this ... < 1302630924 768263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you will have a choosemygregor site < 1302630939 973720 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL ANYWAY GUYS I HAVE TO FOOD AND I DON'T TRUST MY FAMILY WITH THIS LAPTOP UNATTENDED < 1302630951 686886 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302630971 123783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust is a powerful thing < 1302630971 785674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FORGOT TO ASK HIM SOMETHING < 1302630981 617902 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask him later? < 1302630985 937499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah elliott < 1302631082 571556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh what a silly-doodle, won't ask later just keeps on complaining < 1302631475 810023 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302632264 856834 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302632280 856973 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302632553 748151 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302632604 16294 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the haps my friends < 1302632652 178700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hapssy < 1302632655 232230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Happsy < 1302632663 916172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know those young athletes that are always missing their fucking only chance in life to play in front of talent scouts < 1302632680 602306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that annoys me even more than the stereotypical psychopaths < 1302632914 801644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychopaths would probably know how to reach their goals without annoying you < 1302632967 34257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm never annoyed by people < 1302632975 134982 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only tv shows and machines < 1302633002 24544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about athletes and psychopaths in tv shows? < 1302633006 87604 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302633049 332157 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302633094 474825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially machines < 1302633100 659907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking hate computers < 1302633589 473066 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302633624 376461 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT : < 1302633869 98982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you know if Alexia Massalin has done any kernel/OS work since Synthesis? Wikipedia has nuthin' < 1302634695 485806 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOD AGAIN < 1302634698 915827 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302634719 502984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MUCH DO YOU EAT < 1302634749 799022 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1302634755 120456 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302635737 102163 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302635767 442743 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302635778 985852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302635804 421755 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i acquired an original distribution of hypercard :T < 1302635822 202135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ... difficult? < 1302635849 845153 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i walked up to a table that happened to be giving it away, and i took it < 1302635932 904112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::.,.+1441:28 < 1302635986 748513 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302635990 183860 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manuals and all < 1302636163 134190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302636512 757682 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302636607 812444 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302636660 830443 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302636712 845820 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1302637093 699413 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302637298 394995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302637352 564237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my crt decided to start randomly shrinking, widening and twisting the screen so had to give it a break < 1302637366 20346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing's moving now < 1302637368 706141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302637372 20810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just enjoying some nice drugs < 1302637375 328094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so prejudiced < 1302637399 840904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way too old for that stuff < 1302637442 124708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs are for kids, grampa < 1302637452 490234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302637481 636449 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my lcd was on lsd, i wouldn't mind < 1302637510 979776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not ok if your crt is on ecstasy GOD I LVOE RHYMING < 1302637535 25469 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't A LITTLE < 1302637783 502987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies. < 1302637785 360926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :361) elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies. < 1302638047 22415 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302638151 514909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1302638153 739178 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1302638995 757201 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302639162 308012 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302639395 961026 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302639460 973017 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302640076 82044 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302641462 979704 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302643749 353259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, esr wrote the art of unix programming? I guess there's a point to him after all < 1302643761 102681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but that book sucks < 1302643769 788285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he uses fetchmail as an example constantly < 1302643772 365724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of excellent design < 1302643781 788452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? what's fetchmail? :P < 1302643813 496760 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are people on the internet that claim it's a good book! < 1302643819 741394 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302643829 908843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fetchmail is esr's shitty mail fetching program. < 1302643833 229330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP/IMAP client. < 1302643843 207701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approx. 0 people use it. < 1302643855 125531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks like he also used it constantly in The Cathedral and the Bazaar. < 1302643865 22883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programmers, including Dan Bernstein, getmail creator Charles Cazabon and FreeBSD developer Terry Lambert, have criticized Fetchmail's design,[3] its number of security holes,[4] and that it was prematurely put into "maintenance mode". < 1302643865 809138 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1302643882 644703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh? < 1302643908 6832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at " Approx. 0 people use it." and " Oh, looks like he also used it constantly in The Cathedral and the Bazaar." < 1302643919 614832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I mean, as an example < 1302644081 653956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, stack overflow seems to be full of people who read pragmatic programmer and it somehow revolutionized their lives as programmers < 1302644139 83091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: joel spolsky + jeff atwood =/= good site with clever people < 1302644152 848463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly :) < 1302644210 687211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst thing is we have a couple of them at work that are like "hey, I read this book, if we implement every idea in it stuff will magically become awesome!" < 1302644288 831102 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they get upset that nothing really happens after that except a prompt for a more thought-out argument about the benefits of said tool/process/idea/technology :) < 1302644383 627979 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302644696 883410 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-38.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302644720 129650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did Wooble just ragequit _AGAIN_? < 1302644735 620081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1302644754 988851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, _please_ get an economic proposal out < 1302644761 744856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :points-as-economy is gaining rapid acceptance, and ugh < 1302644885 676117 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302645027 937886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you can write proposals yourself, right? < 1302645095 335224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposal of what? < 1302645145 661048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not very good at writing rules :) < 1302645153 636105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: besides, IIRC you're the one who's done most of the work on it < 1302645156 698806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for a game, Agora < 1302645224 597982 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this game? < 1302645246 471975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nomic. < 1302645388 219334 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you have so far? < 1302645414 873054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been going since 1993 :P < 1302646206 74052 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302646302 575639 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302646523 215349 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: agora is quite likely the oldest still running nomic in existence < 1302646538 962255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302646542 931247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second-oldest internet nomic, no? < 1302646549 843770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there were minor ones in the nomicworld era < 1302646558 167949 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if there were any before nomic world < 1302646570 762430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't, I don't think < 1302646585 734085 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could have been some email ones... NW was MUD-based < 1302646604 500621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what Nomic World was dude :P < 1302646609 292589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the FRC technically older than Agora? < 1302646610 272569 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD, GOOD < 1302646612 444179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR NomicWiki calling it the oldest. < 1302646615 203314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1302646619 706153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FRC is as much of a nomic as Canada < 1302646646 873753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, its rules change sometimes < 1302646651 369985 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :frc could in principle be played as a nomic but that would be out of spirit < 1302646670 658160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so do Canada's < 1302646681 737455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more often, even ;) < 1302646687 194763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302646704 357699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm running a BlogNomic dynasty atm, btw < 1302646718 573900 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302646725 653758 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah dynasty < 1302646727 100633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only just started < 1302646731 221840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK; I think I have some sort of fundamental difference in ethos with BlogNomic, though, because it always seems constantly boring to me < 1302646739 25874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is constantly boring < 1302646739 398391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls imperial nomic. are there any of those going on still?
< 1302646745 491097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it has such larger player turnover < 1302646745 978209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well then :-P < 1302646785 444678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make BlogNomic interesting is one of the biggest challenges of nomic < 1302646793 284756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite a reason to play it, if you want a /real/ challenge < 1302646863 510374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I'd have to fight a lot of all the players, probably < 1302646866 290468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't fun < 1302647150 353301 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302647222 895807 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302647315 902581 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302647386 437217 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302647403 630375 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302647464 389963 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1302647865 134387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302647928 355349 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Show mercy to the green lives under your foot. < 1302648036 589523 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302648036 914378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302648092 88714 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then go drink hydroxic acid! < 1302648142 332818 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to live dangerously, i prefer some dihydrogen monoxide < 1302648161 482085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you keep saying "go drink hydroxic acid" < 1302648166 11773 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fine, prefer some dihydrogen monoxide, if that is what you prefer, please. < 1302648191 448720 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know the answer to that question. < 1302648209 145776 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you put a question mark then I probably still won't know. < 1302648227 206949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you keep saying "go drink hydroxic acid"? < 1302648239 995348 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know. < 1302648258 424614 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a master of prediction < 1302648258 575554 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302648272 99898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least some kind of diction. < 1302648670 518830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why should I show mercy to .. crud, I don't know enough to make a semi-decent joke < 1302648779 539221 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302648956 914620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say forest lovers < 1302648958 738355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sucks < 1302649069 636610 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then say something else, or do something else, or _____________. < 1302649100 376892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose the latter. < 1302649148 374275 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302649201 54039 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302649478 551581 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302649661 495721 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200046.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302649692 664355 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote down something, some idea, it is a 4x4 game, each player has five pieces, which are cubes on top of a coin, the coin has arrow to face in four directions and can be flipped over to belong to the other side, and can be held and dropped as in shogi. If you reach the king's corner you roll the dice. You win if you capture opponent's king or if you leave opponent with no legal moves. < 1302649740 992681 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that you can also, when capturing, turn your cube in any direction except to the other side. When non-capturing, you can turn around 90 degrees clockwise/counterclockwise by optionally. < 1302649828 999679 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030178.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302650349 135698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1302650371 40234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why is division evil :( < 1302650385 646476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a+b)-b = a, even mod n, but the same doesn't hold for division < 1302650396 397299 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used for conquest < 1302650399 153665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if m = n/2, then (m*2)/2 = 0 mod n < 1302650407 787196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1302650411 300458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :distressing how long it took me to realise that < 1302650439 673987 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true if the divisor is relatively prime to the modulus < 1302650517 616858 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the right definition of division modulo something < 1302650581 62817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all operations modulo < 1302650588 633964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e. (m*2) mod n / 2 mod n < 1302650608 18421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1302650617 413816 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302650707 173029 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although usually you can defer the modulus until the end if you want, the trick is that with division you need to be careful < 1302650730 185334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when calculating m / 2, you need to choose a representative of m that is actually even < 1302650757 948619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i defaulted to the easier solution, i.e. saving the initial value < 1302650763 926201 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n is odd that is of course easy < 1302650769 577257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (this is for restoring the pre-overflow value if a calculation overflows so that I can promote it to bignum and try again) < 1302650781 782336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1302650792 551316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for addition I just subtracted, but that doesn't work for multiplication, so yeah < 1302650816 82704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had your brain simultaneously operating at the assembly level and at a bignums-and-garbage-collectors level? < 1302650819 135015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's truly disorienting. < 1302650918 654043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm given ceil(log_2(n+1)) and m, is there an easy way to get something close to (but possibly greater than) ceil(log_2((n*m)+1))? < 1302650961 192957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp appears to offer a guarantee that any bignum's log_2 will fit into an unsigned long, and you can preallocate a bignum with space for N bits < 1302650976 221071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus m is a (signed) long < 1302650984 560491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I could preallocate well... < 1302651013 165605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well log2(n*m) = log2(n)+log2(m) < 1302651056 299170 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that isn't close enough, i don't know < 1302651075 510263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302651089 778144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's probably a waste of time, I'll let gmp handle that :-P < 1302651326 938106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you believe it? it's broken! wowzers! < 1302651327 449273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302651331 367371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless multiplication doesn't set overflow < 1302651338 496456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be really shitty < 1302651386 831988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302651394 43301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how interesting, IMul doesn't actually...multiply < 1302651435 144953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1302651443 367784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, they put limits on the size of a bignum? < 1302651616 773038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1302651651 149397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1302651660 396453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302651681 301536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, wait, this is totally messed up, IAdd isn't doing addition either < 1302651694 117682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's somehow doing it with leaq < 1302651699 780482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, nope < 1302651872 460536 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302651917 646057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what < 1302651926 686274 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf < 1302651943 485870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have I mentioned my marriage proposal recently? < 1302651951 227134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it implement True Deadfish Wraparound? :-) < 1302651953 93313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:37:23: Wait, they put limits on the size of a bignum? < 1302651958 311795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: C does that from the start. < 1302651969 482344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but you did mention a need for more esolang deadfish interpreters < 1302651969 847325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1302651982 361939 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but of course, that was the easy part < 1302651986 954510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: besides, I'd like to see you store 2^(2^32 - 1) on ANY computer! < 1302652013 211481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well < 1302652014 73014 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ./N.a****************N.b./N.aN.b./ < 1302652015 756685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _that_ long I guess < 1302652018 945648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you just did ::trollface:: < 1302652022 421306 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :part) < 1302652025 446867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1302652027 596144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty damn long < 1302652028 587218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written Deadfish implementation in Gforth, and in TeX. < 1302652034 720969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: slashes is cooler < 1302652052 770627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is itflabtijtslwi since it needs input < 1302652057 257747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you mean in a representation also capable of storing integers less than that number in an equal amount of space or less < 1302652069 384071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ermm, less than that number but greater than 0 < 1302652075 356267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't itflabtijtslwi kinda cross? < 1302652076 262775 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: don't try printing numbers much larger than 1000 < 1302652077 624093 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, can be implemented with itflabtijtslwi, or brainfuck, or INTERCAL, or whatever else you want < 1302652086 950177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah, don't feel like fixing my definition to deal with negatives < 1302652092 750958 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it only adds a single GG...GG command... < 1302652096 266899 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.187 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1302652099 625331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's syntactically gross. < 1302652120 539679 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302652122 727713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd make //foo/ instead be the same as /foo/\char/ < 1302652127 355454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine //foo/ never does anything useful ever < 1302652129 887529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*since < 1302652138 810220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there an XKCD version of Deadfish? < 1302652144 816804 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. but i went with the language which is also there < 1302652147 745121 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no negatives in Deadfish < 1302652150 511789 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: heck if i know < 1302652152 405383 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*already < 1302652166 251686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why there is a XKCD variation < 1302652215 764703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme < 1302652215 953000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1302652216 947038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1302652259 572815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you can thank me for that < 1302652263 597369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the o.O < 1302652267 328648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly factually correct < 1302652287 983084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scheme" is ambiguous, there are at least six languages called Scheme < 1302652292 477991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined by various reports < 1302652292 654000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but who, besides an esolanger, says that? < 1302652303 973734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"R5RS Scheme" is nonsense when R5RS is expanded < 1302652305 621616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most humans say R5RS < 1302652317 432411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody besides an esolanger says that < 1302652331 103173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there ARE negatives with Deadfish < 1302652333 524894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most humans are esolangers. < 1302652336 932941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, hmm, there aren't < 1302652341 412992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there would be, if you could get -2 somehow < 1302652344 227504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1302652366 22526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:51:45: Most humans say R5RS < 1302652372 557736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most humans don't say it at all. but most humans just say Scheme < 1302652379 141580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1302652380 430179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-ass yndrome < 1302652391 71748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *R ass-yndrome < 1302652410 722644 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we _were_ discussing xkcd, almost. < 1302652414 124483 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302652420 20657 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost? < 1302652445 101323 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that "I don't know why there is a XKCD variation" counts as discussing xkcd itself < 1302652506 334012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes friends with the latest esowiki spambot
< 1302652510 513097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just misunderstood < 1302652516 733217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you may also like http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf < 1302652534 759257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1302652543 164330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he invented /// ? < 1302652546 117985 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of file is that? < 1302652549 348288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense, he's not ihope127! < 1302652554 663672 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1302652561 948569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's an ittf. < 1302652566 287614 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1302652573 787029 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please send me that link again right now. < 1302652574 207135 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an Itflabtijtslwi source file < 1302652581 696149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf < 1302652582 120511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1302652585 349447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to switch to my alternate nick < 1302652588 859547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1302652609 196195 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so tswett is not ihope127 but elliott is me. got it. < 1302652693 691068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Free Geek uses Plain TeX and DVI, because I showed them how to do it, and I helped them with it. < 1302652722 215510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I helped them with the drive wiping script, too. < 1302652752 417659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umn, zzo38, you know assembly right? < 1302652768 156111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*umm < 1302652769 771254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I know a bit. < 1302652776 976239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know at&t syntax? < 1302652798 575084 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what AT&T syntax is. I only used MS-DOS DEBUG syntax. < 1302652817 782624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1302652838 770428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, you know assembly right :trollface: < 1302652890 492581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i wrote an assembly program once back in the 1980s, maybe. it may have printed hello world or something like that. < 1302652914 980109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh this makes no sense :( < 1302652985 227913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part is no sense? < 1302653055 136281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it! < 1302653189 654778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302653255 595868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302653379 428966 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302653530 192359 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302653558 96650 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302653811 542064 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302653879 16621 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT : < 1302654526 756930 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302654599 399432 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302654878 390508 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302655379 356485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would love to have a computer that obeyed Loper OS's Laws
< 1302655389 170003 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Loper OS's Laws? < 1302655433 585466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Loper OS's Laws"? < 1302655446 708979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, the guy's name isn't Loper OS, I know < 1302655449 841279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loper OS has no laws that I am aware of. perhaps you would like to clarify, or just call me the shit-faced pedant i am < 1302655450 170541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier to remember < 1302655463 122594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STANISLAV: hard to remember < 1302655487 206858 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302655487 356974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 < 1302655502 957679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to quote visionary Terry Davis on the subject. < 1302655504 624828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rules for insane computing: < 1302655504 790438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) User and all programs should have kernel (ring 0)access at all times. It’s your frigging machine, do what you like without supid hassles like permissions. < 1302655504 940652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operating Systems obeying this: < 1302655504 940852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) The 64-bit LoseThos Operating System < 1302655504 940961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m funded from social security disability for being insane." < 1302655739 719317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just a random comment, or is there an actual critique of Stanislav's thoughts hidden in there somewhere? < 1302655749 51852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter.. seems more like a strawman < 1302655759 236202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/critique/attempted critique/ < 1302655774 280311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's from the author of LoseThos. < 1302655784 421562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's funded from social security disability for being insane. < 1302655820 997518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... Terry Davis _is_ the LoseThos guy? < 1302655825 888620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just mocking him? < 1302655834 814232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is. < 1302655848 491678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Are you that stupid? It's because whites are superior and don't need help. Why do you think it is? We all live on the same planet, don't we? Even God said, "Look at sports."]] --visionary Terry Davis < 1302655916 302812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I refuse to believe that that comment on Loper-OS is genuinely from Terry Davis < 1302655917 122603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg terry davis is writing an osdev manual < 1302655931 469275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, you plan to do USB, do you? There are three PCI controllers, UHCI, EHCI and < 1302655931 619576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHCI with USB 3.0 thrown in there somewhere, too. Okay, so how many < 1302655931 619766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :manufacturers of those controllers? Maybe, they're standard." < 1302655933 26134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe is now a number. < 1302655949 746829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: To be fair, I don't really give a shit what you think, but it is the truth. < 1302655960 299103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since AFAIK he hadn't revealed his name before then. < 1302655969 842330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he posted a gloating ridiculous comment a short while later criticising Loper OS. < 1302656000 769859 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302656055 289044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(I took the time to write a story and one ass-hole down-voted it, burying it. In case you didn't notice, most people lurk and only teenaged girls vote. I know this for a fact because I've seen page views counts and like one in ten actually votes. Teen age girls.)" < 1302656082 19729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"smelly butt, fucken homo" --visionary Terry Davis < 1302656475 536821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're a nobody. Read 1984. Metallica Nirvana, on and on. Nash. Don Quixote" --visionary Terry Davis on his being mad < 1302656551 912820 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302656564 479701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About operating system with all programs ring 0 access at all times, it is something with a new computer I might make up. Security is implemented in separate hardware (also inside the computer) and can be bypassed by changing a jumper. Even if it is not bypassed, you still have direct access to most hardware. < 1302656570 533003 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that dead fish file look very nice. < 1302656598 942848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you :) < 1302656610 60382 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302656625 483101 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that by "[read] Metallica Nirvana", he means "listen to many songs by Metallica and Nirvana and similar bands". < 1302656636 932946 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... is really probably pretty obvious. < 1302656669 15072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1302656682 136912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trivialsolutions.biz/BornAgain.html < 1302656719 99915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instructions for changing the jumper will be included in the manual, although you still need a screwdriver (no special "security" screwdriver or any rare stuff like that is needed, just a normal common one will do); this is to prevent software vendors from abusing it.) < 1302656745 501386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird. < 1302656779 553932 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are *you* weird????? Or do I weird using too much question mark?????????????? < 1302656785 570594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point exactly < 1302656807 399350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is sad that work on LoperOS seems... stalled
< 1302656824 872050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he's moved to an fpga solution. < 1302656830 574504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :work on loperos never started. < 1302656843 100414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, linky? < 1302656916 100549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it was in a comment. < 1302656934 674856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very relevant, there's approximately 0 chance it will ever get finished < 1302656947 944814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316&cpage=1#comment-1421 < 1302657782 837331 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302657851 278562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302657894 472310 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302657906 245557 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302658069 247447 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302658577 416400 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302658806 262335 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302658945 789183 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302659374 725954 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229150.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302659426 393627 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200046.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302659663 83507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I want to see in GNU GPL v4 is something that allows anyone to sue someone who violates the license (unless all copyright holders agree to make an exception), including non-copyright-holders, to ensure better that the other company does not violate the license. < 1302659670 718004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1302659678 134272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's legally valid. < 1302659701 779236 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure there is not some kind of way to write it that makes it legally valid? < 1302659739 461844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i am sure of very little. < 1302659823 429678 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very socratic < 1302659872 626853 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Socratic? < 1302659905 875527 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :being sure of very little. < 1302659927 5665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i mean i'm sure of the big things, like I exist and most of you exist and the universe exists and this computer exists and the like. < 1302659933 799131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more abstract things i'm not very sure of. < 1302659939 684092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302659942 687427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are actually the little things < 1302659943 838070 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1302659946 116999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real world is pretty irrelevant < 1302659948 576515 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're allowed to sue someone for any reason you want < 1302659957 933778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i don't think he meant sue < 1302659958 634715 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To ask someone who does know more about copyright laws, to tell about legally valid. < 1302660526 242974 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current version of TeX is 535 pages long (not counting footnotes or any system-dependent changes). I have never written a program that long, and I might or might not do so in future, I do not know. < 1302661446 314421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302661454 472082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I really don't have any ideas on making a better browser and I think doing a network "stack" (as the kids say) is difficult. I have a feeling there are propriatary Microsoft network protocols involved?' < 1302661554 528777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Terry Davis < 1302661641 226278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stumbles upon Terry Davis's Reddit page
< 1302661646 49171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1302661704 748271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'God says... tamedst longings blushed larger hardship handkerchief seemed rejection swelling commencement fallen Senators wroth abundantly virginity pleasantness compass unhesitatingly credibility growing lusteth slaves powerful afar bears anything impious storm enlarged cannot Willeth Passing transitory debtor hovered might eyesight ancient confound melted meantime wearing unbending wives seasons filth' --Terry Davis < 1302661710 618471 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302661740 870060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Reddit, some place where you throw in random words to get a hit? < 1302661806 70802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he using a random word thingy to try to determine what God says? I ... tried that once, actually. When it was incoherent, I rejected God < 1302661924 907932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's his trying to speak in tongues, I think < 1302661934 284164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trivialsolutions.biz/BornAgain.html < 1302662382 284989 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302662646 385723 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302662815 703280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:28:24: 'God says... tamedst longings blushed larger hardship handkerchief seemed rejection swelling commencement fallen Senators wroth abundantly virginity pleasantness compass unhesitatingly credibility growing lusteth slaves powerful afar bears anything impious storm enlarged cannot Willeth Passing transitory debtor hovered might eyesight ancient confound melted meantime wearing unbending wives seasons filth' --Terry Davis < 1302662821 141534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes yes, those are in all of his posts. < 1302662822 651929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, close to it. < 1302662825 944597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:30:06: Is he using a random word thingy to try to determine what God says? I ... tried that once, actually. When it was incoherent, I rejected God < 1302662835 289654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) He coded a random word thing. It is his God communication program. < 1302662843 376105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) That is the most retarded fucking reason to reject God ever. < 1302662848 244713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:32:04: Oh, it's his trying to speak in tongues, I think < 1302662851 581069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's really a random number program. < 1302662853 668967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:32:14: http://www.trivialsolutions.biz/BornAgain.html < 1302662855 113576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked to this. < 1302662878 923412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was exaggerating. More accurate to say that I failed to find God again < 1302662944 140175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you "tried to find God again" evidently any atheism you had was not founded on any kind of logic at all. < 1302663032 785650 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twiddling with random numbers in your generator sounds like exactly something an omniscient, omnipotent entity in charge of life in the universe would be doing < 1302663054 993733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, if it wanted to convince me that it was there, it could < 1302663055 390177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: It is certainly true that only an omniscient, omnipotent entity would be able to do that. < 1302663061 63336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: But it's nonsense to assume such an entity WOULD. < 1302663092 188228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, one, you can't even hope to predict or understand any action by any entity so immensely more intelligent or knowledgeable, and two, that sounds like a waste of time. < 1302663105 792950 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but not anyone else, making you the next prophet. also quite likely < 1302663127 138661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know of any religion that has as a core belief "God tries to convince people he exists in every way possible, especially if they're trying to be all sciencey on me". < 1302663147 131720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like "If you accept Jesus *then* he'll come and sodomise your soul with love." < 1302663156 406559 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity < 1302663175 845390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: noted. < 1302663183 413145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity < 1302663186 522940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :362) elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity < 1302663199 352638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, that's assuming you have a sex drive, and that that sex drive is directed to attraction to women with tits. Oh, that's implied with "what _I_ would do" I guess < 1302663210 800551 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that is in fact what God did and that's why prayers go unanswered < 1302663220 542512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's my new favourite version of deism < 1302663229 233686 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: god did create Adam in his image according to Genesis < 1302663260 865094 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Eve, a perfect companion to Adam, is the image of a perfect companion to God < 1302663262 29756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And lo, the LORD saw that it was good, but it could use breasts and less bodily hair. Also more holes." < 1302663294 31524 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and beer is the image of a perfect Divine beverage) < 1302663304 620422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, where did beer come in :) < 1302663311 583973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that nestled in all those begats I skipped? < 1302663335 238070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Methuselah begat Yiriminihim who begat beer and lived to 869 years; ... < 1302663387 675695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my backtrace actually has 0x0 at the bottom, how cool is that??? < 1302663396 339514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when the stack gets clobbered, almost as much as I love Germans < 1302663485 395908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1302663492 426844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is clobbering the stack < 1302663633 928235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something clobbering this way comes < 1302663721 718791 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1302663768 714304 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi variable, nice nick < 1302663795 66856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: IT'S A TRAP, HE'S GOING TO BAN YOU < 1302663840 369815 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1302663848 370876 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: thanks < 1302663856 122855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: DON'T TRUST LAMENT. < 1302663871 917108 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes
< 1302663884 316030 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i were to ban somebody right now, why wouldn't it be elliott < 1302663906 898842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: probably because oerjan likes me too much! < 1302663910 400210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now watch as oerjan preemptively bans me < 1302663915 605407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all part of my grand master plan < 1302663962 73574 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1302663962 601818 NAMES :#esoteric < 1302664017 121447 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1302664017 139327 NAMES :#esoteric < 1302664024 570273 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1302664024 593797 NAMES :#esoteric < 1302664032 53830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302664036 511636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like all my dreams < 1302664046 434237 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends with you being killed? < 1302664061 211284 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEK < 1302664062 76470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, usually i'm naked in public. < 1302664069 17392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all paedophiles. < 1302664082 477097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You do not appear to be on the access list for this channel. < 1302664103 318531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this feeling that either lament or oerjan opped me. it is clearly only a matter of time before i appear on that list. < 1302664104 674024 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still makes you to be the channel operator anyways? < 1302664189 172474 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If lament or oerjan opped you, then why does it says ChanServ? Isn't ChanServ only supposed to set to one who is in the access list? < 1302664201 29698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one of them added me then removed me :P < 1302664202 691590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they just did < 1302664207 951268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg ChanServ op #esoteric elliott < 1302664230 828834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it even said lament < 1302664234 198979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ChanServ < 1302664285 753865 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1302664315 28209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you're just jealous 'cuz i'm fluffy. < 1302664332 338376 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1302664351 275272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1302664365 573690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO FLUFFY 8D < 1302664669 827379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's all fluff < 1302664687 313143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluffff < 1302664797 522323 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302665033 360090 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it says "The precondition on the request for the URL /w/index.php evaluated to false." but it does not say more specific? How can I know what I did wrong? < 1302665254 752382 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that means you hit the spam filter? < 1302665260 135279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use div or span tags < 1302665291 257542 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not use div or span tags this time. Although once I did manage to add a DIV tag anyways < 1302665312 938822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprunge the edit you're trying to make? < 1302665317 939384 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also seems that setting the User-Agent wrong causes this message too? < 1302665326 750148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely. < 1302665334 6796 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did manage to make the edit now, by making some trick. < 1302665340 689001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What trick? < 1302665355 731408 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put "Telnet" < 1302665357 301001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1302665370 278454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better you can use a template which expands to nothing. < 1302665375 6213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will have no effect on the resulting HTML. < 1302665393 248066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made Template:Empty, so you could replace the b tag with {{empty}}. < 1302665397 644558 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, in case of needing it somewhere that is not allowed, a template can be used. < 1302665436 968516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe autoconfirmed users should automatically bypass spam filter, or something similar like that? < 1302665443 152113 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be designed like that? < 1302665515 827494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be difficult. < 1302665522 710042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's not at the MediaWiki level. < 1302665550 419094 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who owns this server? < 1302665551 865367 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302665563 960634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the software block telnet? < 1302665570 817080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue < 1302665621 657489 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way to do it, possibly, is making it to bypass if you use SSH instead of HTTP. < 1302665704 662383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does PleasePorigeHot have an entry on c2/ < 1302665730 20931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1302665762 656798 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is because there is a program there. < 1302665795 898594 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed some of broken links < 1302666069 814963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Plan Nine is still alive
< 1302666088 940991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last release was in 2002 < 1302666106 855350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, didn't I try it before? < 1302666206 626402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302666462 944281 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302668463 4763 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\let~\advance\time0\day0\loop~\time1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\time=3\time0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<100\repeat\bye < 1302669188 654812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at Menuet unbearable slowness
< 1302669590 488981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302669604 833272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:41:09: * Sgeo wonders if Plan Nine is still alive < 1302669608 630167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:41:28: Last release was in 2002 < 1302669610 675745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:41:46: Wait, didn't I try it before? < 1302669612 633972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Plan 9 is the name < 1302669614 786698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) Nightly CD builds are released < 1302669629 752301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:08: * Sgeo WTFs at Menuet unbearable slowness < 1302669630 83881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably VM's fault < 1302669645 566704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I have failed to get Plan 9 to run in VirtualBox < 1302669661 921770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, the.. oldish version I downloaded, anyway < 1302669820 768570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use qemu < 1302669838 325772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox as always only supports the most common operating systems due to trading accuracy for speed < 1302669925 829287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually that cd image might be fourth edition < 1302669927 348377 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1302669933 852273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, it's updatable from inside < 1302669963 705012 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to sleep soon
< 1302670211 109088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this early? < 1302670218 899723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Coyotos people have a ... disturbing sense of humor < 1302670223 326749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.coyotos.org/download/index.html < 1302670341 906030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not disturbing at all? < 1302670346 773396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an april fools joke < 1302670355 314095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's obviously a good point < 1302670479 636732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an April Fools Joke? Thought it was just trying to make that point < 1302670503 727097 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 10 and half hours until next round of APNIC stats. :-) < 1302670520 130212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1302670523 677832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depletion likely? < 1302670567 679571 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 525 056 left (well, there's 4M in reachability testing, but unlikely to be released that fast). < 1302670613 907423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gulp < 1302670618 924599 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a userbox in Wikipedia that just says "This userbox is correct" < 1302670752 753125 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, somebody's 2M request from China got seriously fragmented. < 1302670834 925056 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... To 242 fragments. < 1302670941 205490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2M request? < 1302670943 876427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :o < 1302670982 940254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmm, not actually april fools < 1302670984 702001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[16 May 2008: New web-based installation tool for Windows users.]] < 1302670986 270733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1302671022 406919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_ColdFire WANT < 1302671027 807778 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, one APNIC member account has 1864 prefixes allocated/assigned. < 1302671234 400062 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... For only ~1.2M of address space. < 1302671408 277926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302672566 511931 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they getting anything revoked? < 1302672928 608560 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302674334 228612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302676122 748390 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302676289 644915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302676363 941428 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you eat human flesh with wooden teeth? What kind of wood is best for doing so, and what color? < 1302676556 516102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: do you know if Alexia Massalin has done any kernel/OS work since Synthesis? Wikipedia has nuthin' <-- no clue. < 1302676674 847904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could call him/her/whatever and ask? < 1302677277 994899 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :volleyball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6eEefbwYvA < 1302677289 369957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know their telephone number? < 1302677442 495142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what color?" < 1302677449 625650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sorta weird question < 1302677488 285174 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the question being completely normal, of course... < 1302677553 143134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*questions < 1302677571 675146 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302677876 993884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm pretty sure you can, with any kind of wood < 1302678142 752929 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302678169 470499 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302678909 800988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Maybe you can, but what kind is best? Has anyone done experiment with this? < 1302680113 719677 :joba299792458!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302682077 392641 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I ate out your sister, does that count? < 1302682221 219868 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1302682374 421768 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Did you use wooden teeth? < 1302682542 682161 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it get to that question, short-circuit evaluation :P < 1302683373 380210 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302683470 616943 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302684225 50857 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1302684334 259082 :joba299792458!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net NICK :whiplash < 1302684353 529550 :whiplash!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net NICK :Whiplash < 1302684375 592308 :Whiplash!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net NICK :WHiPLaSH < 1302684389 895856 :WHiPLaSH!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net NICK :PHiZiX < 1302684403 17425 :PHiZiX!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net NICK :joba < 1302684554 58058 :joba!~joba29979@pool-108-0-34-100.lsanca.fios.verizon.net QUIT : < 1302684919 267788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use wooden teeth and you know what kind of wood it is, then maybe it counts? < 1302685507 110675 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302687680 213247 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133100.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302687797 722461 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229150.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302687811 928752 :cheater-!~cheater@e181129045.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302687944 874777 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133100.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302690738 320789 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-40-244.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302690862 75990 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302692190 896403 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302694099 750005 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302694311 252007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302694991 597512 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302694992 26717 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302694992 177462 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302695155 377878 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302695682 119963 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137180.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302695777 829603 :cheater-!~cheater@e181129045.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302696160 591179 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302696674 960084 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302697244 939091 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302697417 288429 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302697562 198048 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302697633 57905 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302698896 653222 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030063.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302698948 955642 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137180.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302699382 799971 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302699546 958237 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302700450 105083 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302700451 574861 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302700646 345702 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302700803 947998 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302701301 72376 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302703667 355988 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302703713 346937 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1302704179 587132 :cheater99!~cheater@g229030063.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302704304 910855 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za QUIT :Quit: "nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums" < 1302705139 569423 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302705810 774931 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302705883 384945 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302706693 978324 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302706832 956107 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so I have cleverly eliminated cons from Bizaaro-Pixley, which is now provisionally going by the name "PAIL" ("LISP" stands for "LISt Processing" -> "PAIL" stands for "PAIr Language") < 1302706894 165609 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302707666 169574 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried cleverly introducing "ubiquitous closures" where not only function values but in fact *every pair* could close over the environment, but I think that's overkill; really, a closure just traps bindings from the environment at the time it's created, and you can do that by evaluating them at that time. < 1302708051 691692 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to cleverly eliminate lambda by providing an "uneval" function. It works to some degree, but I haven't convinced myself that one can write recursive functions with it yet, because it's weird enough that I don't completely understand how to use it. < 1302708127 698155 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always nice to actually have to restore something from backup for real. :-/ < 1302708366 897097 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... APNIC down 0.00: 2k+/48 Australia, /32 to Japan. < 1302708416 36309 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523 008 addresses left (2043 /24s). < 1302708686 124758 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302708868 951582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1302709517 113676 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302709554 753285 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302709593 738813 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302709902 230605 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302711916 607640 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141111.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302712664 896566 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logspace left: /13.00 < 1302712748 522593 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bascially, any allocation /13 or larger will deplete it. 48 days this year have had such allocations. < 1302712859 987699 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's about 2/3 of business days. < 1302713252 447877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Always nice to actually have to restore something from backup for real. :-/ <-- it is nicer to not need it though < 1302713413 120493 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302713422 159464 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUYS < 1302713975 949070 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUY < 1302714101 865478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tweaks Vorpal's sarcasm detector a notch or five
< 1302714159 294316 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :v^ < 1302714198 406994 :v^!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my message lines start with all four Befunge arrows < 1302714389 685763 :v^!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just realized bitbucket is free
< 1302714397 222761 :v^!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, has a free private plan < 1302714468 669804 :v^!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably move there instead of paying whatever it is I pay per month for whatever version control it is that I use < 1302714506 215977 :v^!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :cpressey < 1302714511 161937 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> lunch
< 1302715040 134419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302715641 387665 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302715704 185508 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302716136 755528 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302716201 88098 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes: http://kwejk.pl/obrazek/44037/minecraft.html < 1302716325 797754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302716394 233676 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302716397 671319 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302716468 619869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:35:56: Vorpal: do you know if Alexia Massalin has done any kernel/OS work since Synthesis? Wikipedia has nuthin' <-- no clue. < 1302716468 779046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:54: elliott: You could call him/her/whatever and ask? < 1302716468 959105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her; and I'm not about to go internetstalking for a phone number :P I suppose if she's still at MicroUnity like Wikipedia says there won't be anything public. < 1302716478 810595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Given the company's overly ambitious goals, Silicon Valley insiders had nicknamed the company MicroLunacy." < 1302716513 282127 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I will punch the SHIT out of those trees. < 1302716561 252562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No Git love? :-P < 1302716573 328446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302716573 491354 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about scapegoat? < 1302716611 444909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302716619 79378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear X isn't usually *this* much of an unreliable piece of shit. < 1302716663 634904 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about scapegoat? < 1302716671 785155 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: barely any hg love; git love is asking way too much. also, github does not have free private accounts, looks like. < 1302716678 197358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: has a striking lack of existence < 1302716684 699254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just rot13 every file! < 1302716688 35904 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fix it < 1302716692 220499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No darcs love? :-P < 1302716699 733270 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: github is a service < 1302716703 181295 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not required to use it < 1302716708 534238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, and? < 1302716721 354559 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: know one that has free private accts/ < 1302716724 512571 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s///?/ < 1302716741 507198 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: A repository host? Not off-hand, no. < 1302716743 188619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: can't you just store things locally? < 1302716746 84737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you use multiple machines :P < 1302716748 648938 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just host locally < 1302716756 163005 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on a server of yours < 1302716757 926320 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1302716766 526370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pull via HTTP so you can even synchronise multiple hosts with shared hosting if you're in for a "fun" time. < 1302716768 372238 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not need github to use git < 1302716776 282123 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i know that < 1302716914 423743 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want: free private version control. that is all. < 1302716923 481031 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :git < 1302716929 141528 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: where? < 1302716935 370987 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your problem < 1302716946 219044 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is 'free private hosting' < 1302716962 55199 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with version control, yes < 1302716967 951180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wooble is the one who just ragequit in agora right? < 1302716968 339450 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which you can host a repository < 1302716970 427875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've totes lost track < 1302716978 32455 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how 'just'? < 1302716985 45161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, it is /partly/, and although e may have overreacted, if you had < 1302716985 208478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a bit nicer about it then e might not have quit." < 1302716989 433237 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't have email access right now < 1302716989 587241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as discussed in DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP < 1302716993 392042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1302716995 124984 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Wooble does regularly ragequit < 1302716998 641648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302717003 55006 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e even has a patent title for it < 1302717004 302575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out whether it really is wooble < 1302717006 323624 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Commuted in a Huff) < 1302717012 455277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it is, I can reply snarkily! < 1302717078 137404 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302717210 140688 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This rebus, I had hope"? < 1302717230 865530 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps "This rebus I adopt" would be better < 1302717525 5360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302717828 223311 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302718243 6562 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302718276 502378 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302718328 194548 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: very good < 1302718474 678597 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :wharrgarbl < 1302719028 945051 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spark is a new dialect of Lisp that aims to be popular, useful and used for real-world tasks. Eventually we hope that people will get payed to write in Spark, sometimes against their will." < 1302719044 198399 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719060 159311 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christ, Redditors are so pathetic. < 1302719069 11538 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST. NOT. EMPHATHISE. < 1302719073 874185 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*EMPATHISE < 1302719081 325623 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as they don't get payed to do spellchecking, I supose. < 1302719100 944314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302719123 285057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719140 855082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302719150 548597 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, activity on that project lasted a whole two months. The most recent activity is editing a doc which explains why Lisp is unpopular. < 1302719153 363406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi PH|notidented < 1302719158 301923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719162 966875 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehheh < 1302719163 296243 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719168 181851 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Spark any good < 1302719171 777259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 months ago < 1302719181 306717 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at it but... < 1302719184 760029 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Changing host < 1302719184 914074 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719184 914242 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Changing host < 1302719184 914321 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719194 955013 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphphphaththaize < 1302719195 199600 :PH|notidented!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1302719199 144720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a difficult word yes < 1302719206 163605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphatologies < 1302719209 495414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phat :D < 1302719224 223625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302719226 765985 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse than neccccccessssssity I think < 1302719226 921898 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd < 1302719243 516580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719249 62400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302719268 328257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719274 271583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Client Quit < 1302719287 671908 :wharrgarbl!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302719293 354125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302719726 388292 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"remote: bb/acl: cpressey is allowed. accepted payload." < 1302719749 243593 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing that every time I push a change is going to be the true cost of this service < 1302719755 431390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302719820 675263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graaah must not `addquote things from outside #esoteric < 1302719863 586702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :must not must not < 1302719911 994591 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about that ESR one? < 1302719924 712584 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can quote it and then we can addquote you quoting it < 1302719933 74888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's from #esoteric < 1302719988 860614 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENIUS < 1302719994 970900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's too snarky < 1302719996 771614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too snarky < 1302719997 271479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for me < 1302720003 520636 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote or no addquote i must know what this is < 1302720003 846721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone might actually take it seriously too < 1302720009 134507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there's some stuff from #lobby < 1302720009 948412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Um, no. INTERCAL is one of the things that is ESR working in his sphere of powerful competence. He is a geek, Donald Knuth is a God-mode geek, INTERCAL is the canonical esolang, this shit is way cool all the way down. < 1302720018 739499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way cools all the way down < 1302720039 301492 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302720039 563218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also on esr: "He has code in every Linux-based gadget you use - if his contributions disappeared, your broadband modem and even your television would be bricks.") < 1302720045 328332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LITERALLY BRICKS < 1302720063 464632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else, but NOBODY, could have written "large chunks of libgif and libpng"! < 1302720085 172709 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BtW, this guy is totally serious. < 1302720090 393906 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP MY TV IS NOW MADE OF CLAY < 1302720095 407562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when his contributions disappears, esr bricks shit? < 1302720101 512348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil man < 1302720112 882343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302720119 773890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll brick shit < 1302720130 837949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you see it < 1302720133 491350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll shitsbrick < 1302720138 699308 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phrase "sphere of powerful competence" used in *any* serious context is bad enough < 1302720152 559839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this phrase also available at: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lubo%C5%A1_Motl < 1302720154 217960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sphere of powerful competence in the field of PSOX < 1302720165 824766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure david gerard is the worst < 1302720174 208720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, um, no. "Competence" may be the wrong word < 1302720181 4226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, Sgeo's sphere is in the field < 1302720217 328834 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEORY: Reddit consists mainly of Sgeos. < 1302720487 603412 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that article seems to be missing the word "powerful" in that phrase. it's a wiki -- should I add it? < 1302720499 33067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes, but they might demote you to sysop for it < 1302720499 361677 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION debates
< 1302720504 445000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful. < 1302720555 671598 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you'd need an account for them to demote you, though. < 1302720563 549474 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edit anonymously and see the warning! < 1302720574 339538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they might be so disgusted that they'll code IP sysop functionality in < 1302720637 245572 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: DO IT ALREADY < 1302720644 354128 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR I WILL PROMOTE YOU MYSELF < 1302720693 803503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think "demote" definitely applies here < 1302720699 735474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're threatening to block him. < 1302720738 48623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is STEVE GRAND!
< 1302720748 315048 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BOTH < 1302720761 478068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocked sysops: the best kind of sysops. < 1302720879 458431 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about ESR's contributions on http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/INTERCAL
< 1302720970 785152 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302720984 368448 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I love these tools that still spew something to your terminal when you run them with "2>&1 >foo". < 1302720989 481453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, zzo has _two_ dialects of intercal < 1302721004 204767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: echo "THIS IS IMPORTANT" >/dev/tty < 1302721022 7904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, passwd? < 1302721068 904504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: I am not actually asking for your password < 1302721136 935682 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a unit test runner harness thing < 1302721182 478284 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302721182 636274 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1302721182 636407 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302721198 745298 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302721206 838794 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OrthINTERCAL is dead < 1302721255 245459 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302721256 680534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as dead as rabbits < 1302721267 326918 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302721270 919460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION {{deadlink}}
< 1302721759 760045 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, is there like a published directory hierarchy standard for Haskell packages? < 1302721775 121222 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it like Perl where you guess what would be a good place < 1302721823 394964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly like Haskell ::trollface:: < 1302721901 841278 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods slowly
< 1302721928 372166 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wow does bitbucket's search suck < 1302721960 740422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be some kind of tradition for where to put packages in the hierarchy < 1302721968 210703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing clearly defined afaik < 1302721995 530391 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it really matters, it'll only make people think less of you for putting your package in a silly place < 1302721999 469776 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it's like, look at what's there and guess. that's fine, i just wanted to know < 1302722196 889516 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oerjan's gone now. durt < 1302722273 766144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can call him "drittoerjan" for leaving < 1302722370 135345 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I will totally do that < 1302722388 682152 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just (re)discovered the "script" command, which might solve my 2>&1 woes < 1302722521 635347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :script is cool < 1302722528 756470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, is there like a published directory hierarchy standard for Haskell packages? < 1302722533 515946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well hackage is kinda close :P < 1302722691 36400 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302722703 279773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302722913 617186 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302723025 380906 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302723080 62972 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, hackage < 1302723132 697891 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like if I were to release a testing tool called Falderal I could just call its package Test.Falderal < 1302723139 915229 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE the name Falderal WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE < 1302723164 114566 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...however... < 1302723169 565587 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes head
< 1302723176 599497 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go back to debugging < 1302723204 916594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1302723297 246905 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302723441 570755 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302723513 417460 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302723693 452430 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOOD CODER < 1302723965 969609 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like if I were to make a testing tool for Haskell it would be slightly uncool if it was not built as a "provider" for http://batterseapower.github.com/test-framework/ < 1302724077 286113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO NEEDS ANYTHING OTHER THAN QUICKCHECK < 1302724199 275154 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302724208 807939 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302724209 862864 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO GUYS < 1302724227 549506 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", -3/2) < 1302724232 815755 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1302724259 530969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to -inf then. < 1302724264 844989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fdiv. < 1302724271 478028 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, no, that's truncation. < 1302724279 966117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohrightyesofcourse < 1302724283 202771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdiv :P < 1302724286 453829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1302724288 761684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdiv. < 1302724291 717495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so retarded. < 1302724292 774741 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-3.0/2 = -1.5, which would go to -2 < 1302724296 310351 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141111.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302724306 435103 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever one is correct, do that one X-P < 1302724678 659196 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THANKS FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT NOW I WILL NEVER SAVE THE WORLD < 1302724688 357223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: YAY! < 1302725239 148957 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: AT LEAST SAVE MY COLONY ON MARS < 1302725262 161229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On C#: "Also, standards usually suggest that you use string.Empty over """ < 1302725264 440086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1302725265 794845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Also, standards usually suggest that you use string.Empty over ""]] < 1302725269 201288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY GOD WHY < 1302725363 193919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1302725367 129393 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose the value of the empty string changes someday... < 1302725415 622060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine suggesting such a thing as a joke < 1302725430 203839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the one writing those standards just failed to recognize it < 1302725609 35342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop phant < 1302726074 123691 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302726093 550140 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was i not informed of esoteric channel earlier? :) < 1302726104 999478 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- currently doing functional programming in java. < 1302726113 447478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were trying to hide it from you. < 1302726118 327733 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good call < 1302726131 263314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's it everyone, channel's ruined, go home. < 1302726156 118851 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need a teleporter < 1302726160 837673 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i write security exploits for 1970s operating systems < 1302726179 799388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, I'm the one who told him about #esoteric < 1302726183 466555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's okay, our wiki runs on Multics. < 1302726187 811978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :60s security! < 1302726188 465648 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :string.Empty CAN HAS LOCALIZATION < 1302726196 673650 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still dont have a multics simulator :( < 1302726219 144952 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though now at least i have the srcs, yay mit. < 1302726219 637851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should totally move the wiki to multics. multics is awesome. < 1302726234 887642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't find a proper source tarball, just a bunch of hyperlinked stuff < 1302726236 854915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I looked < 1302726273 951764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could wget it but it goes against my fundamental principles of laziness < 1302726285 348524 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you think it would be more appropriate to run wiki on 8th ed unix? < 1302726299 662078 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel it should run on @ < 1302726307 734084 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's @? < 1302726310 917360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask < 1302726322 635921 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is e supposed to retroactively unask? < 1302726334 249771 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or scapegoat's built-in wiki server perhaps < 1302726347 89316 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your forth interpreter is <512 bytes? < 1302726362 28698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's done yet < 1302726364 660169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how much have you revealed! < 1302726368 661463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is treachery :( < 1302726382 12147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's treachery alright :D < 1302726385 413279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: "Forth" is a stretch, and it's less than 300 bytes right now but lacks a compiler :) < 1302726390 531136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have revealed everything I know < 1302726392 5148 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is planning to sned these logs to WikiLeaks
< 1302726402 737833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly stack-based and subroutine threaded, but it doesn't have things like arithmetic, integer literals, ... < 1302726406 416752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's close, I tell ya, close. < 1302726409 767569 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look forward to the rapnews video, sgeo. < 1302726452 350694 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: when you say "functional programming in java", do I even want to know what you mean by that? < 1302726496 778183 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpr: http://www.thenewsh.com/~chat/j/XPrelude.java < 1302726532 325758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i had a nightmare that looked like that once. < 1302726544 50987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do it all as pure lambdas with church encoding < 1302726569 551989 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my lambda calc interpretter is here http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/lambda/ :) < 1302726582 960826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not Java! < 1302726583 621715 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows arithmetic with normal numbers, but its trivial ot use church encoding too < 1302726612 926705 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure lambdas might actually be not so bad in java, as I wouldnt have to use all the generics < 1302726621 183909 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should give it a shot sometime < 1302726651 4010 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really proud of this script http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/lambda/primes2.lam < 1302726676 737743 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's not Java! < 1302726677 63547 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I've rendered as obfuscated py in minimized form here http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/obf2.py < 1302726682 966838 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really lambda calculus either < 1302726698 684394 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it is < 1302726703 478653 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a LOT of syntactic sugar < 1302726708 450378 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but with < 1302726737 556305 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: like I said, it has a few primitives besides lambda calc, but one of the reasons i wrote it was so that i could do lambda calc stuff directly in it with only one syntactic addition, macros < 1302726749 336678 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you unmacro you can get pure lc < 1302726770 90165 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its nice having some IO occasionally :) < 1302726815 259273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: http://esolangs.org/ btw < 1302726843 669457 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :danke. is that related to this channel? < 1302726901 359654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as related as these things get :) < 1302726905 15668 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there's a message board there, never noticed before < 1302726916 438752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it gets a post once every five years! < 1302726929 577949 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant like, is there a formal connection or just similar minded. < 1302726938 406513 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing by your comments the latter :) < 1302726947 62129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, define formal :D < 1302726952 207160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection wears a tuxedo < 1302726955 816094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most everyone comes here from the wiki < 1302726962 597578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most people here are on the wiki < 1302726967 457574 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough for me. < 1302726971 473684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the founder of this channel isn't the founder of the wiki. < 1302726971 730851 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come from obsessively reading the wiki < 1302726976 782980 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn family are pestering again. < 1302726978 859264 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302726980 766834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the channel is several years older < 1302727020 380508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how did I get here? can't remember < 1302727036 391883 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my gender-confused norn is male or female < 1302727048 125915 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you typed "go north" from the twisty maze? < 1302727055 624355 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't remember how he got here. Probably from wiki, bt maybe not
< 1302727056 979462 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1302727057 132030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've come here twice though < 1302727076 839013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% grep olsner *.*.* | head < 1302727076 989352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.08.07:10:50:38 --- join: olsner (n=salparot@c-cf8fe155.710-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #esoteric < 1302727076 989549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07.08.07:10:53:54 * olsner also once learned to 120 but is now back to just 60 < 1302727078 166613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, stumbled upon it, stayed a while, and then forgot about it completely enough that I found it for the first time again < 1302727083 652864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should have to state why they come here the first time they come in here. < 1302727092 845719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i was there the first day olsner came. could swear he's been here longer than me. < 1302727095 584086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless different nick. < 1302727101 675931 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came here because olsner has a big mouth and elliott has a small forth < 1302727115 252295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: always used this one on freenode < 1302727116 892884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: your cooperation is appreciated. < 1302727131 205941 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Sgep for a time < 1302727197 868465 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some came here from the mailing list. < 1302727238 806511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *Old people < 1302727263 374471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nov 16 01:58:43 note also that zebras are black with white stripes rather than white with black stripes < 1302727301 771260 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302727347 449542 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do early C compilers (and B) count as esoteric? < 1302727385 550119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1302727389 824781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1302727416 917098 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a working image of a 1st-edition(ish) unix that has a very early prototypical C compiler < 1302727422 150597 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa 1972 < 1302727441 825567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, first edition unix had C? < 1302727453 161081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp says 3rd edition introduced C < 1302727460 678049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in early 1973 < 1302727477 193384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ais523 asked me about compiling his Underload interpreter in Thue to mod_rewrite, some time in 2008 < 1302727535 998815 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 1st ed didnt have C. but the earliest filesystem for unix that survives had a work-in-progress C compiler on it < 1302727544 370775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. cool < 1302727548 142705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, curious wording from dwarf fortress: " cancels Make Totem: Need unrotten totemable body part" < 1302727552 353266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"totemable" :D < 1302727553 81478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used IIRC V5 unix in simh < 1302727559 605369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ... interesting < 1302727575 431994 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/ <- has image you can run on simh < 1302727595 708405 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302727638 558604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i remember seeing that < 1302727648 831045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the simh image is new? < 1302727650 335753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall that < 1302727665 444884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns of simh
< 1302727684 28787 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDP-11 < 1302727692 412370 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... significant somehow. How? < 1302727696 533157 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simh has a large suite of simulators. pdp11 is one of them. < 1302727736 497979 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I've seen "PDP-11" before somewhere, and alone, as in, not in a list of historical architectures < 1302727748 621 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something that gcc supports? < 1302727748 204567 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302727756 157918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what an astoundingly vague question. < 1302727765 451149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C was invented for a PDP-11, at least < 1302727775 349155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's probably it < 1302727779 678533 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a fortran and basic in the 1st ed image, fwiw. < 1302727782 986594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the "PDP-11 assembler that thinks it's a language" < 1302727838 133403 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, congratulations on answering an astoundingly vague question < 1302727867 748298 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: no tea < 1302727888 285902 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/machine/printf.b < 1302727929 301899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but .b is brainfuck :) < 1302727936 883245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, B is... an interesting language < 1302727949 725598 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone shoulda told ken about the conflict in 1971. < 1302727954 906265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302727957 139782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : switch c = char(fmt,i++) { < 1302727961 219067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302727966 187318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think modifying the rewrite stuff to do a redirect might get around the memory limitations at the cost of requiring a network roundtrip to the client to make a new request < 1302727992 105100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. Does it show? < 1302728013 672769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could even complete hello world then < 1302728015 340478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if(x < O) { < 1302728019 246452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: "x < O" nice < 1302728023 152939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo? :-P < 1302728060 772467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : printn(x, c=='o'?8:1O); < 1302728060 988423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* too */ < 1302728063 444887 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`d'/`o' vs 'c'/'s' < 1302728064 201389 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont know. src came from dmr's web page.. not sure if he got it from electronic copy or not < 1302728067 158846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302728075 680850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ` as a string starter is sheer genius :D < 1302728080 38922 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks typo-ish to me < 1302728096 288946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: or OCR-ish < 1302728132 848552 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCR on code is a brilliant idea < 1302728196 7300 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302728213 368670 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the only surviving copy of the 1st ed kernel was a printout. we actually ocr'd and manually fixed it to get it running. < 1302728220 618757 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, loads of fun ocr'ing code < 1302728231 552772 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1302728250 202878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool you're (partly) behind unix-jun72? < 1302728273 649714 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1302728280 888981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what was the unix ais523 was trying to port C-INTERCAL do < 1302728281 707740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1302728286 247528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was V7, because it had yacc and pcc < 1302728356 243421 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an issue with self-hosting things, I guess. Can't easily go from printout to functional copy < 1302728366 688193 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can, if you find the bootstrap version, I guess < 1302728408 576055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yeah, that'd be relevant, were this 1972 :) < 1302728471 678718 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, here's the doc printf.b is from http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/kbman.html < 1302728492 988697 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a rendition, after scanning, OCR, and editing, of an internal Bell Labs Technical Memorandum dated January 7, 1972. It is Ken's original manual for the B language on the PDP-11." < 1302728644 535748 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302728758 341376 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302728758 760158 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1302728758 910460 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302728844 477680 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302729545 361744 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132318.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302730145 556239 :dnm!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302730361 696070 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302730437 834582 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, is there like a published directory hierarchy standard for Haskell packages? < 1302730441 928522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is. < 1302730451 868227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, oerjan's gone now. durt < 1302730458 92797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is? < 1302730463 312982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means the package hierarchy < 1302730467 23282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, cpressey's gone now. durt < 1302730487 946323 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does? < 1302730497 22403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1302730507 493473 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought he meant the module naming < 1302730565 681890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed a number of packages not in the place i would have guessed first. i think the unlambda package was one... < 1302730605 366274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302730607 515920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did mean module naming < 1302730616 262547 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well then there is. < 1302730668 613013 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302730683 314388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1302730695 951175 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Hierarchical_module_names < 1302730795 683082 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : now you can call him "drittoerjan" for leaving < 1302730831 645366 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEACHING FOREIGNERS HOW TO CALL NAMES IN NORWEGIAN IS _NOT_ ALLOWED < 1302730868 188638 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Hierarchical_module_names < 1302730868 823682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1302730900 418977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if that was the question he wanted to ask _me_ though < 1302731055 263190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Spark is a new dialect of Lisp that aims to be popular, useful and used for real-world tasks. Eventually we hope that people will get payed to write in Spark, sometimes against their will." < 1302731058 771111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302731067 303550 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought spark was an ada dialect < 1302731074 365469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a pun < 1302731081 368709 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1302731103 137640 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dialect for particularly secure programming < 1302731119 336821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if oerjan responds to "is that a pun" with "what?" it's _definitely_ a pun < 1302731128 910488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARK is a formally-defined computer programming language based on the Ada programming language, intended to be secure and to support the development of high integrity software used in applications and systems where predictable and highly reliable operation is essential either for reasons of safety (e.g., avionics in aircraft/spacecraft, or medical systems and process control software in nuclear powerplants) or for business integrity (for example < 1302731129 74356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : financial software for banking and insurance companies). < 1302731129 776843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1302731135 784700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once, oerjan says something based on facts rather than puns < 1302731136 949462 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARK_(programming_language) < 1302731180 225444 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302731231 871883 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it used to be discussed on LtU when i followed it < 1302731274 753056 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : As long as they don't get payed to do spellchecking, I supose. < 1302731277 657866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*argh* < 1302731287 966353 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way that wasn't on purpose < 1302731313 171246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302731381 786827 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is a difficult word yes < 1302731390 554921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can emphatically empathise with that < 1302731449 185498 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : graaah must not `addquote things from outside #esoteric < 1302731455 803061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we'd done that already < 1302731487 298426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have :) < 1302731511 759703 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302731629 840859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: yes, but they might demote you to sysop for it < 1302731650 157033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...where is sysop _lower_ than the default level? < 1302731663 361960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a rationalwiki semi-meme < 1302731674 763220 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1302731677 346061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :demotion is user -> sysop -> crat, promotion is crat -> sysop -> user < 1302731702 172810 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um so you start at the top and work your way down? < 1302731713 831086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you start at user < 1302731719 973387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"↑ Bad experiences with power-tripping Conservapedia sysops, and the nature of sysop chores have made them call sysopship a "demotion"." < 1302731723 231196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--RationalWikiWiki < 1302731733 710400 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um and user seemed to be at the top < 1302731745 353969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THAT'S THE JOKE DOT JPG < 1302731748 27901 :myndzi\!myndzi@76.28.158.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302731758 114618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a user being the least stressful/hassled/etc. rank < 1302731773 386224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1302731790 258009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (relevant is that basically every active RationalWiki editor is a sysop) < 1302731799 207774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to a unique[1] demotion policy < 1302731800 518231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] retarded < 1302731835 702611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like there's about 25 crats too < 1302731844 319264 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1302731924 463398 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302731929 244000 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302731998 710443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter if we turn to dust. turn and turn and turn we must. < 1302732116 227832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, is e supposed to retroactively unask? < 1302732123 752457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's feather, not @ < 1302732295 5214 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but the founder of this channel isn't the founder of the wiki. < 1302732322 436150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hardly matters given neither is around here any more < 1302732336 514243 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302732384 265737 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302732409 393725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well lament was here yesterday... < 1302732410 546430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hi < 1302732411 745860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you might want to read last half hour's logs < 1302732422 170597 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey lambdabot, perchance do I have any new messages? Hmmmmmmm? < 1302732422 335114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1302732426 995151 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW it < 1302732434 676623 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...from reading the logs < 1302732469 642442 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132318.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1302732472 250302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tears apart cpressey's newly printed certificate of clairvoyance
< 1302732485 399403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another triumph of science over synchronicity < 1302732493 851582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan sets mode +b elliott < 1302732506 1313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can i have ops again like yesterday, just 'cause i had to sleep it's not fair my powers were stripped < 1302732575 680129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY SHOULD WE TRUST YOU WITH OPS IF YOU KEEP LOSING IT < 1302732620 555628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302732705 902083 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302732722 733895 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ty for http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Hierarchical_module_names and I will note that I find it humorous that the very first to be listed is Algebra, with the comment "Was this ever used?" < 1302732740 673872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302732832 754345 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302732959 411019 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302732969 400809 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 3 % -5) < 1302732975 254262 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1302732983 886991 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 7 % -5) < 1302732986 199002 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1302732989 608189 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", -2 % -5) < 1302732992 163686 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2 < 1302732995 501827 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302732996 887429 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's odd < 1302733022 395873 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d %d %d %d\n", 3 % -5, 7 % -5, -2 % -5, 2 % -5) < 1302733024 755261 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 2 -2 2 < 1302733058 688554 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not the same :P < 1302733066 847694 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", -2 % 5) < 1302733068 842923 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2 < 1302733090 659483 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", (-2) % 5) < 1302733092 945450 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2 < 1302733099 318316 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, worst mod ever. < 1302733111 380332 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0 % 0) < 1302733113 387438 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 19743 Floating point exception/tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733134 492546 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0L % 0L) < 1302733136 387539 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 19825 Floating point exception/tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733161 155021 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe C turned into Lua while I wasn't looking < 1302733168 594125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation see table on the right < 1302733173 751737 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Uhhh, no, that's correct ... < 1302733190 869756 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"correct" for C, I'm sure < 1302733197 918793 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302733218 278962 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that page sez that's right. < 1302733228 803203 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, in my not-even-remotely-humble opinion, -2 % 5 should be 3. < 1302733246 581307 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHWAIT < 1302733248 397496 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, divisor would be nice < 1302733252 117135 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it was then it wouldn't work with truncated division. < 1302733277 16394 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it stands, you can always multiply back and then add back to get the original value, with my way it'd be a pain. < 1302733536 121398 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leggo my ego < 1302733585 471852 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%p\n", &main) < 1302733587 401244 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x4004ec < 1302733607 229910 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%x %x %x %x %x %x"); < 1302733609 316465 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :da3d24c0 da3d24d0 400530 a96584b0 a96b0f80 da3d24c0 < 1302733632 651817 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on < 1302733650 132668 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%p\n", &system) < 1302733652 623749 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x400440 < 1302733716 317620 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%p\n", system) < 1302733718 480830 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x400440 < 1302733751 849721 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%s\n", fread(0xda3d24d0-4096, 256, 1, popen("/bin/ls", "r")); < 1302733753 261797 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1302733757 852076 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%x\n", ((int *)system)*) < 1302733759 111031 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1302733768 919257 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%x\n", *((int *)system)) < 1302733771 46902 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4d225ff < 1302733780 53889 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%s\n", fread(0xda3d24d0-4096, 256, 1, popen("/bin/ls", "r"))); < 1302733781 949096 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21099 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733796 338338 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%s\n", fread(0xa96b0f80-4096, 256, 1, popen("/bin/ls", "r"))); < 1302733798 38009 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21177 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733811 709633 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, fread returns size_t < 1302733843 708832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: good luck with that < 1302733845 794231 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c fread(0xa96b0f80-4096, 256, 1, popen("/bin/ls", "r")); printf("%s\n", 0xa96b0f80-4096); < 1302733847 761300 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 21312 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733850 566337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls < 1302733851 221406 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps < 1302733859 203313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DCCs the rest) < 1302733864 105184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi there! < 1302733868 238777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there! < 1302733874 440358 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302733885 590322 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious about the bot's sandboxing < 1302733908 504409 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c fread(0xa96b0f80-4096, 256, 1, popen("/bin/ls", "r")); < 1302733914 279238 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 22656 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733920 411335 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c fread(0xda3d24c0-4096, 256, 1, popen("/bin/ls", "r")); < 1302733922 66857 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 22712 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1302733931 604719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: It's ... err, what's it called again. < 1302733934 826470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plash. < 1302733962 386957 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int x = 5; printf("%d\n", x); < 1302733964 157909 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1302733970 89194 :dnm!~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the implementor of this Forth I want to play with on some hardware wrote me back. < 1302733978 743871 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, it takes msgs, ok, sorry for all the news :) < 1302733982 348720 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise < 1302733993 914663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: hey i find it interesting :) < 1302733999 144229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least time-passing. < 1302734023 136165 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :popen returns nil < 1302734088 942566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you probably want to try HackEgo instead. < 1302734092 802790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has full gcc, etc. < 1302734096 18359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and file writing < 1302734221 509577 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [divMod, quotRem] <*> [2,-2] <*> [3,-3] < 1302734222 733297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,2),(-1,-1),(-1,1),(0,-2),(0,2),(0,2),(0,-2),(0,-2)] < 1302734444 762453 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1302734456 539915 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302734458 713465 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this i don't even < 1302734469 646115 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t <*> < 1302734469 796312 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hm? < 1302734470 520572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `:' < 1302734476 146941 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t `<*>` < 1302734477 74728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `:' < 1302734482 32125 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*>) < 1302734483 270056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1302734506 327532 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer my random stabs at the syntax < 1302734521 767916 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1302734683 101792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [f,g] <*> [x,y] :: [Expr] < 1302734684 211868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f x,f y,g x,g y] < 1302734764 360503 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it but i have no idea how it works < 1302734771 838606 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> g < 1302734772 589052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1302734772 786883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `SimpleReflect.FromExpr ... < 1302734782 540783 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe it is time for me to go < 1302734793 716164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the :: Expr, g is overloaded < 1302734798 178569 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> g :: Expr < 1302734799 412251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : g < 1302734888 122088 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 :: Expr < 1302734889 155540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1302734892 887324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimpleReflect is a hack for doing some very simple symbolic evaluations < 1302734900 885972 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, a hack < 1302734912 924090 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Expr :: Expr < 1302734913 747078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Expr' < 1302734920 131968 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful to demonstrate what some functions do < 1302734942 555150 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr f a [x,y,z] :: Expr < 1302734943 850766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x (f y (f z a)) < 1302735045 425109 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302735086 37848 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*> isn't part of it, i just used it to demonstrate < 1302735129 681485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [a,b,c,1,2,3] < 1302735130 883914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 + a + b + c + 1 + 2 + 3 < 1302735245 240827 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char ad[] = {2,0,4,0x50,0x48,0xeb,0xc9,0x04, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0}; printf("%d\n", connect(socket(2, 1, 0), ad, 16)); < 1302735247 138464 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1302735258 194873 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char ad[] = {2,0,4,0x50,0x48,0xeb,0xc9,0x04, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0}; printf("%d\n", connect(socket(2, 1, 0), ad, 16)); < 1302735260 106711 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302735260 356987 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1302735264 113313 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*> is essentially monadic although it generalizes to a slightly larger typeclass Applicative < 1302735266 305315 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot can tcp to me. < 1302735274 454666 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dangerous. < 1302735282 157566 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: it worked? < 1302735285 348037 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did. < 1302735292 542774 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302735295 406562 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one failed because i wasnt running nc at the time < 1302735301 86979 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the second one succeeded bcause I was < 1302735346 649293 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats tcp connect to 72.235.201.4:1104 < 1302735373 705965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302735432 734788 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302735446 892032 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could use `fmap` and `ap` instead of <$> and <*> if you wanted to stay in monad < 1302735453 958581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1302735465 528215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you wanna stay _lame_ < 1302735469 229847 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302735476 75777 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1302735477 295275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you mean liftM not fmap < 1302735490 584160 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302735496 334945 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type (liftM, fmap) < 1302735497 152877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a1 r (m :: * -> *) a b (f :: * -> *). (Monad m, Functor f) => ((a1 -> r) -> m a1 -> m r, (a -> b) -> f a -> f b) < 1302735509 541931 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302735512 951104 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, one is in Functor :) < 1302735520 213785 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many names for the same function. < 1302735524 479315 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : <*> is essentially monadic although it generalizes to a slightly larger typeclass Applicative < 1302735529 441745 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THOUGHT I SMELLED FISH < 1302735540 385819 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious monad fish < 1302735545 77556 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my general confusion was too great < 1302735575 973398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monadic is just a meaningless a buzzword < 1302735577 927440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1302735585 605977 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lists, l1 <*> l2 = [f x | f <- l1, x <- l2] < 1302735588 129109 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. anyone gonna write up commands to make the two ego bots connect to each other over tcp and exchange some data? < 1302735601 263915 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302735644 667714 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be kinda funny making it connect to irc, join #esoteric and say something, though i imagine the time limit on running a command is too short < 1302735681 287707 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be less funny making it into a spambot :( < 1302735698 582235 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume Gregor approves of such experiments < 1302735708 141781 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, when did shorewall break UID range rejection >_< < 1302735714 859610 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the spam part) < 1302735756 609840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what? and is this related to newsham's hack? < 1302735781 613603 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [] < 1302735781 778437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously :) < 1302735782 368389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] < 1302735787 848058 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in your firewall was supposed to prevent it) < 1302735797 183037 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The only thing that prevents outbound connections is a firewall rule (networking is an obnoxious thing to block), but apparently shorewall has broken the ability to block by ranges >_< < 1302735852 401011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Dare you to find a hole in fungot. < 1302735852 697793 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there was an error. imo the feature belongs there... < 1302735853 835627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1302735853 985781 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1302735877 831436 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not now, but perhaps i'll take a look later. < 1302735894 133096 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can figure out the code :) < 1302735903 98997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" newsham: Dare you to find a hole in fungot." <<< if you meant what i think you meant by this, fungot's answer was pretty nice < 1302735903 901753 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: along with nick, for a start, languages need good support so that tool framework developers can use continuations nicely to restart database transactions that have failed due to deadlocks nearly as easily, and their effect is an error < 1302735909 113688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i'm not reading context < 1302735917 4096 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot sandboxed? < 1302735917 184197 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know your bias on that matter. < 1302735926 806231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: LIES < 1302735926 956281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: probably it has its own user < 1302735927 106422 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cwcc has *nothing* to do with lambda that you can't see them being that < 1302735955 103998 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help < 1302735955 484868 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: the problem with doing complex numbers is disguising them so the user gets a frob, which is a bad idea < 1302735960 888362 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1302735961 38709 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1302735973 989776 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont see ^source in that list < 1302735984 120414 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1302735984 270829 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord < 1302735999 686384 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a user-defined thing. < 1302736006 28175 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show source < 1302736006 178568 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98)S < 1302736043 231113 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a much more closed system than !c :) < 1302736056 903795 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It runs under its own user and chrooted into a mostly-empty directory tree, but it's not sandboxed more than that. (Well, it also runs on a vserver container and the root of that is a lvm snapshot, but that's more of a disaster recovery thing than a sandbox.) < 1302736059 147058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi >foo.c 2>&1 < 1302736060 431454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302736062 722779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc foo.c 2>&1 < 1302736064 303753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.c:1: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' at end of input < 1302736075 338844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: With HackEgo you can even `fetch whole Linux binaries from the interwebs :P < 1302736076 893147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm foo.c < 1302736078 238831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302736088 478315 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1302736090 478775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=1939537 gid=1939537 < 1302736094 624440 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're helpin' me so much here :P < 1302736099 30095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, if you use syscalls, all you see is a chroot, empty except for the Plash libc, which you don't have permissions to modify :) < 1302736113 638057 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `ls -1 /etc` < 1302736114 803230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you use the libc, you have to break Plash, which works entirely over a socket... < 1302736114 953508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -1 /etc` < 1302736115 103794 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302736120 593148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: `run for full sh < 1302736127 874209 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo `ls -1 /etc` < 1302736129 184828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives < 1302736137 996641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo `ls -1 /etc` | tr '\n' '\' < 1302736139 447640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives\ < 1302736147 911454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1302736150 207007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302736153 925508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc is literally almost empty < 1302736154 75637 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the echo would get rid of the \n's by iself < 1302736155 367669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin < 1302736157 217681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ ln \ login \ ls \ lsmod < 1302736160 297105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: no need ^ < 1302736166 865615 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1302736184 291713 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lsmod < 1302736185 524651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module Size Used by \ tcp_diag 880 0 \ ipmi_watchdog 12737 0 \ ipmi_msghandler 26634 1 ipmi_watchdog \ fuse 50908 1 \ inet_diag 6914 1 tcp_diag \ ip6table_filter 2384 1 \ ip6_tables 15075 1 ip6table_filter \ act_police < 1302736404 49839 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nc 72.235.201.4 1104 < 1302736405 30959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302736442 714862 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302736447 434422 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why do you reside in a subrepo can't be seen by users, never when they also are not see the way through. practical < 1302736447 812052 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: has anyone tried to use something like ( list 1 2 3) < 1302736461 725141 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | nc 72.235.201.4 1104 < 1302736465 92943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there from newsh < 1302736497 389737 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302736501 751606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only a matter of time before Gregor's secret stash of donkey porn is uncovered. < 1302736507 621260 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | nc 72.235.201.4 1104 < 1302736509 142898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1302736524 78812 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots explicitely ignore one another? < 1302736531 549096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some of them. < 1302736534 316226 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1302736534 473420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot)! < 1302736536 592445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC HackEgo listens to anyone. OR did until recently. < 1302736543 130969 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm pretty sure someone somewhere has used (list 1 2 3) < 1302736543 491367 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: going home, bbl, thanks for the tip. this file has two ports in and out < 1302736543 641608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo '`echo hi' < 1302736546 91236 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1302736548 671591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1302736562 918965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: lambdabot also listens to pretty much anyone :) < 1302736594 272954 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarty ensues < 1302736603 659102 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: impressive, you were less coherent than fungot's answer < 1302736603 922827 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that it can evaluate a sexpr based on that premise. < 1302736617 410937 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: need to go try to use something like (list 1 2 3) now < 1302736620 916678 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made two lambdabots squawk at eachother before < 1302736635 324930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got fungot and lambdabot into a bot loop < 1302736635 682902 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you use pastebin or just /msg please unplug your computer" < 1302736635 849553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so what < 1302736636 176023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what not available < 1302736643 204974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?so ^ul (hello)S < 1302736643 363872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hello)S not available < 1302736643 513912 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ...bad insn! < 1302736644 809439 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping6 www.kame.net < 1302736646 263040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302736651 184451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious underload quining followed < 1302736662 687488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i don't think Gregor has got ipv6 set up at prgmr :) < 1302736666 196954 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302736669 305942 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt seem < 1302736673 359950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Got firewalling working again. < 1302736674 75786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOPS < 1302736679 26006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally pasted there! < 1302736726 829772 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : bots explicitely ignore one another? <-- here in this channel, we tend to add ignores to new bot pairs shortly after the inevitable mutual quine is made :) < 1302736760 500630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :) < 1302736768 998643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot ignoring stuff is a new thing pioneered by fizzie "fascist" fizzie < 1302736777 209319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot just does it too because Gregor is boring or something < 1302736787 610036 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot)! < 1302736787 760346 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1302736790 890073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so that's 75% of bots that matter here. < 1302736797 862829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU ARE SO BORING OMG < 1302736814 132514 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm pretty sure the quine loops are the reason for doing so, anyhow < 1302736818 489203 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a nickname as cool as fizzie "fascist" fizzie :( < 1302736826 933543 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you alreadyd did it, it's no longer novel. < 1302736830 82427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey NO FUN ADDING THEM BEFORE THE QUINE ATTEMPT < 1302736856 518761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Apparently it's been done. < 1302736874 347726 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor "Grotesque" Gregor < 1302736876 37620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has, yes. < 1302736877 18750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it. < 1302736882 996543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually Gregor "Gay" Gregor. < 1302736890 770589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst nickname. < 1302736914 981773 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently have no surname. < 1302736938 897852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do < 1302736941 937973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richards < 1302736949 697540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which classically nicknames to "Dicks" < 1302736960 511698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor "Gay Dicks" Richards < 1302736965 29181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's surname is their nickname for the purpose of QUOTEMIDDLENAMENOMICERS. < 1302736969 720922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomicers. That's not a word. < 1302736976 14445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah i didn't see elliott's mention above < 1302736982 462512 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least my first name isn't the same as my father's, Harry. < 1302737013 972218 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I apparently have no surname. <-- well i was going by the fizzie "fascist" fizzie pattern < 1302737024 450369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I KNOW YOUR MIDDLE NAMES < 1302737057 306410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott "I Farted Loudly For Attention But Nobody" Hird < 1302737066 300620 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (printf "user abcbot3 1 1 abcbot3\nnick abcbot3\njoin #esoteric\nprivmsg #esteric :hi there\nquit"; sleep 9)|nc irc.freenode.net 6667 < 1302737076 818246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737080 924403 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer. < 1302737082 499264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Gregor fixed firewalling, like he said :P < 1302737088 562972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302737092 467852 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, missed that < 1302737094 464294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only `fetch will work now, which is just HTTP GET < 1302737122 157914 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://thenewsh.com:4444/test/url < 1302737123 296645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `thenewsh.com' < 1302737134 741101 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://www.thenewsh.com:4444/test/url < 1302737135 756890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `www.thenewsh.com' < 1302737138 591290 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1302737146 927016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you broke it < 1302737178 616470 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi whoever fetched with chrome < 1302737226 984181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was nobody, especially not me < 1302737238 526806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was quite disappointed at the lack of e.g. page < 1302737250 597694 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant type that fast < 1302737281 646513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should get a computer to do it for you :) < 1302737283 679275 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ohgawd < 1302737295 233374 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also yes, that was a mistaken email, but it's not like I really care) < 1302737295 422127 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got one, but in this case i was using netcat to view headers < 1302737301 265468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does `fetch go via another user or is the HTTP port generally open? < 1302737303 893273 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fail to stalk me on facebook now! < 1302737309 241591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sure thing, christopher sherwood! < 1302737326 463653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's outside the chroot IIRC < 1302737367 678481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your 8th result on google is "List of HIV-positive people", Wikipedia < 1302737368 477100 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm you can do `fetch inside other commands in HackEgo < 1302737371 578521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you should know < 1302737375 354102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, you can't < 1302737376 924923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which fetch < 1302737378 553617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737378 703652 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: muhahahah < 1302737396 348386 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/ < 1302737397 860590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ allquotes \ botsnack \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ delquote \ esolang \ etymology \ fuck \ google \ imdb \ json \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ penis \ ping \ quine \ quote \ quotes \ rec \ roll \ runasperl \ runfor \ rungcc \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate < 1302737408 515590 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, not for me < 1302737408 666173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/translate < 1302737410 395625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ exec translatefromto "auto en $1" < 1302737415 494716 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/translatefromto < 1302737415 790946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/translatefromto < 1302737417 234090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ TEXT="$1" \ FROM=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/ .*$//'` \ TEXT=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/^[^ ]* //'` \ TO=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/ .*$//'` \ TEXT=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/^[^ ]* //'` \ if [ "$FROM" = "auto" ] ; then FROM="" ; fi \ \ curl -e http://codu.org/ http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/language/translate \ < 1302737417 560529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the proxy < 1302737418 302424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ TEXT="$1" \ FROM=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/ .*$//'` \ TEXT=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/^[^ ]* //'` \ TO=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/ .*$//'` \ TEXT=`echo "$TEXT" | sed 's/^[^ ]* //'` \ if [ "$FROM" = "auto" ] ; then FROM="" ; fi \ \ curl -e http://codu.org/ http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/language/translate \ < 1302737422 27521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the proxy :) < 1302737424 537687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/minifind < 1302737425 719492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/minifind < 1302737431 899083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: obviously a personal deficiency of yours < 1302737452 802626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh it connects to itself < 1302737454 824320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/minifind ;; wat < 1302737458 89129 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/json < 1302737459 599889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/json: a python script text executable < 1302737462 436311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi QUIT : < 1302737468 878065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/json < 1302737469 999760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/json < 1302737472 910627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well anyhow that's not "just `fetch" < 1302737492 530546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well sure. < 1302737508 106949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/wl < 1302737509 222842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/wl < 1302737513 661303 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`json "1+1" < 1302737515 739895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737538 764304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/json sure is weird < 1302737555 867081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '{"x":3}' | json 'data["x"]' < 1302737557 296318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737559 221901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302737559 715803 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '"1+1"'|json echo < 1302737561 433064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737567 816985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo is python? :) < 1302737576 486676 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, eval. < 1302737577 371349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '{"x":3}' | json 'data' < 1302737578 557206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737581 988502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1302737584 968171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '{"x":3}' | json 'data' 2>&1 < 1302737586 115764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/tmp/hackenv.3690/bin/json", line 5, in \ print eval(sys.argv[1]).encode('utf-8') \ AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'encode' < 1302737590 536666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302737593 671697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '{"x":3}' | json 'repr(data)' < 1302737595 381709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :{u'x': 3} < 1302737606 609669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grep json bin/ < 1302737607 920783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737610 388005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -r json bin/ < 1302737611 709926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/json:import json \ bin/json:data = json.loads(sys.stdin.read().decode('utf-8')) \ bin/translatefromto: json 'data["responseData"]["translatedText"]' \ bin/wl:import json \ bin/wl: url = 'http://%s.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&' \ \ bin/wl: return json.loads(response) < 1302737616 487177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -r json bin/ | patse < 1302737617 594549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302737618 721030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -r json bin/ | paste < 1302737619 47456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1302737620 129585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24593 < 1302737629 119548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so translatefromto uses it. < 1302737633 637429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... didn't I write translatefromto? < 1302737639 45508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/translatefromto < 1302737640 466035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/translatefromto < 1302737642 564936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: sure thing, christopher sherwood! <-- robin christopher sherwood forrest? < 1302737643 338020 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :json would be a lot more useful if nc worked :) < 1302737645 698142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no < 1302737659 473473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: well wget does with the right params :) < 1302737662 663693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any http fetcher < 1302737669 887408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the translate family, and wl < 1302737682 495123 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl http://www.google.com/ < 1302737689 611070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which curl < 1302737691 466081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/curl < 1302737694 471990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1302737695 526282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302737699 471351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -e http://codu.org google.com < 1302737731 490231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1302737782 859666 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202197.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302737840 105900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :