< 1303777424 197032 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1303777468 896161 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303778118 401930 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303779550 803249 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303779649 314692 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you tell me why this doesn't work as expected?; : foreach *.c | $(deps-%f) |> !cc |> < 1303779773 993801 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that variables aren't expanded in order-only dependencies. < 1303779816 328960 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, it's the %-bit that isn't. < 1303780004 51321 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T3h bleck. < 1303780066 198181 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you talking to someone? < 1303780157 41446 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303780303 346225 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303781129 757313 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303781349 405671 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Talking at elliott. < 1303781368 826129 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-way? < 1303781390 270216 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he hasn' < 1303781393 97200 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t responded. :P < 1303781769 611831 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes elliott with a stick, revealing a stuffed dummy
< 1303782322 943640 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eturauhasen syöpä on eturauhasessa esiintyvä syöpä. < 1303782342 622075 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en Eturauhasen syöpä on eturauhasessa esiintyvä syöpä. < 1303782347 579276 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prostate cancer is the presence of prostate cancer. < 1303782358 609050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds reasonable < 1303782374 618742 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-18-33.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303782405 866418 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en Koiran syöpä on koirassa esiintyvä syöpä. < 1303782407 421500 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dog cancer is the presence of dog cancer. < 1303782418 585437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i get finnish grammar! < 1303782426 167924 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Riski sairastua siihen kasvaa 50 ikävuoden jälkeen. < 1303782427 561856 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The risk of developing it increases after the age of 50. < 1303782436 3807 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was more boring. < 1303782454 648605 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate perkele perkele perkele < 1303782455 953057 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit dammit dammit < 1303782466 797329 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Koira sairastua siihen kasvaa 50 ikävuoden koiraan. < 1303782468 281067 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sick dog to the age of 50 will increase your dog. < 1303782480 876918 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :increase your dog! < 1303782502 934965 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have dog cancer < 1303782554 293189 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Vittun syöpä on vittussa esiintyvä syöpä. < 1303782555 563543 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vittun vittussa cancer is the presence of cancer. < 1303782556 693252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Koira sairastua siihen kasvaa 50 koiran jälkeen. < 1303782558 133485 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sick dog to the dog up by 50 after. < 1303782558 320387 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1303782579 871825 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Banaanikärpänen (Drosophila melanogaster) on pieni kellanruskea mahlakärpäslaji, joka on jo vuosikymmenten ajan ollut yksi kokeellisen biologisen tutkimuksen tärkeimmistä malliorganismeista. < 1303782581 371515 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drosophila (Drosophila melanogaster) is a small fawn mahlakärpäslaji, which has for decades been one of the most important experimental biological research malliorganismeista. < 1303782598 339529 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, these aren't as good. < 1303782617 850621 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate kärpänen < 1303782619 256468 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fly < 1303782689 961661 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi fly < 1303782690 892708 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lentää < 1303782701 60753 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi Fly, fly! < 1303782702 370793 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fly lentää! < 1303782733 130078 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi Please please fly a fly a fly. < 1303782734 447785 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ole hyvä lentää lentää lentää. < 1303782743 902748 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1303782836 598843 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. < 1303782837 799199 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aika lentää kuin nuoli, hedelmä lentää kuin banaani. < 1303782870 76491 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate hedelmä lentää kuin banaani < 1303782871 59499 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fruit flies like a banana < 1303782880 158661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Can you tell me why this doesn't work as expected?; : foreach *.c | $(deps-%f) |> !cc |> < 1303782882 114785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you doing that < 1303782884 95007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems kinda ugly < 1303782889 714131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan pokes elliott with a stick, revealing a stuffed dummy < 1303782897 233624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you really think iwc will end at the candh point? < 1303782909 631691 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1303782915 71762 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION panics
< 1303782925 686109 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So as to be able to specify the ordered dependencies of something without requiring a lot of repetition. < 1303782943 679837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can't you just do < 1303782948 831534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: | foo |> |> target < 1303782949 19134 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Say, "such and such files depend on a autogenerated header file". < 1303782950 819014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all such files < 1303782954 188738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1303782956 229217 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1303782958 448348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1303782960 798247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hm < 1303782961 978435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: dunno < 1303782968 317631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ask the list ;D < 1303783041 861486 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that Tup isn't very nice for Haskell. Not, mind you, that that's really all that necessary. < 1303783052 637015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc --make < 1303783057 889812 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, ghc --make or darcs. < 1303783062 139982 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, not darcs. < 1303783067 928883 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal. < 1303783155 361343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrent is ninety four percent done < 1303783157 509108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::come on: < 1303783160 880903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all i'm doing is seeding < 1303783255 313672 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you aren't seething < 1303783335 517781 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303783593 544196 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-184.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303783610 751969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is ridiculous. SOMEONE UPLOAD TO ME < 1303783799 145789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what torrent? < 1303783809 584782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :five billion gigaquads of goat porn < 1303783854 482109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously fake, there aren't that many goats < 1303783866 109820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one goat can be in multiple porns < 1303783881 102905 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just a single JPEG. < 1303783881 688525 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1303783894 427572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't. only i may see the goat porn. < 1303783900 276878 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Created by taking a JPEG of goat porn and enlarging it. < 1303783907 606462 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303783909 186030 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goat...... < 1303783911 156280 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn................. < 1303783912 6029 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENHANCE < 1303783921 215151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i see you're new here < 1303783932 246664 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is scarred. < 1303783937 808636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i think of it as our local euphemism. i prefer not to think of what. < 1303783939 293383 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think I've just succeed a few luck rolls. < 1303783958 300092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love any channel where goat porn is the _euphemism_ < 1303783967 441210 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Todos mis llaves son diablos. < 1303783973 114957 :HackEgo!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my keys are devils. < 1303783999 218665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it'd work without waiting for it all to download < 1303784002 468144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure isos have 0s on the end of them < 1303784145 242223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoatPornOS < 1303784155 855341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best OS. < 1303784158 584673 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows? < 1303784161 159170 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goatpornix, you mean. < 1303784165 876467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goatpornix :D < 1303784167 734381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gornix < 1303784177 536725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poat gorn < 1303784181 473786 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minix? < 1303784192 675914 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has a real *woody* sound to it, doesn't it? Gooorrrnix. < 1303784204 812586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well it certainly gives me a woody < 1303784206 541299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MAN < 1303784208 610323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL THE PUNS < 1303784210 600025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE HAVE THEM < 1303784213 949857 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatpornix, a rarely seen asterix character < 1303784220 78955 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :) < 1303784234 478739 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Insufficiently punny for Asterix, though. < 1303784243 784138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not punny about poat gorn < 1303784255 426452 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay, being one of a few Americans that has read Asterix) < 1303784258 576250 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maaybe... < 1303784370 886518 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((yes, Asterix is basically unknown in the US)) < 1303784394 544124 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((much like Disney comics))) < 1303784487 992635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(()))))) < 1303784542 686837 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(() (()()()(() )) < 1303784560 909458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fucking zepto < 1303784651 137195 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303784781 521098 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zeptimal < 1303784789 9981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeptorgasmic < 1303784801 8998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeptazzmic < 1303784897 510881 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1303784907 639736 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphviz has been running for quite a while. < 1303784924 608648 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to be an absurd PNG. < 1303784932 37525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What png? < 1303785043 828883 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result of tup g . in ~/bsnes-tup. Because I was just curious how fucking abusrd it would be. < 1303785051 290963 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absurd, too. < 1303785116 662084 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot: graph is too large for cairo-renderer bitmaps. Scaling by 0.12547 to fit < 1303785118 632324 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303785148 862150 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32767x182 PNG, entirely black. < 1303785213 303962 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303785800 42930 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303785802 512267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lol < 1303785810 116675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bsnes really have that many dependencies? < 1303785917 655131 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously they mean bsnes < 1303785924 871850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: VM password is outside password, but with the words spelled out < 1303785926 941491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1303785933 31251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the numbers spelled out < 1303786790 616561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303786837 519669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303787806 839879 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303787816 938652 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-18-33.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303789860 756534 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303789872 270662 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303791798 755407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303791815 67540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nice work on the topic. < 1303791821 799725 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott definitely needs a sense of fnarf. < 1303792162 561576 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@78.88.164.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303792747 861713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... There are atheist members of Judaism (the religion)?! < 1303792801 206782 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how the heck that works as a religious faith without a deity. < 1303792857 949659 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, pretty much you're left with a list of traditions. < 1303793410 776902 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... 25 years ago today: Chernobyl disaster. :-/ < 1303793595 107144 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303793653 163869 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned Chernobyl. < 1303793686 541276 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As bad as the disaster itself was, no doubt the *worst* side effect of it was the complete end of new nuclear power... < 1303793721 549107 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has made nuclear power fairly unsafe, really. Most of the plants currently running *really* need to be shut down. < 1303793744 780201 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we wouldn't have the Fukushima incident... < 1303793773 773054 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1303793789 639266 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least if we did, we would be dealing with it better < 1303793794 489225 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because better technologies would exist < 1303793799 740969 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are better ways including wind, solar, and more. Someone told me wind is best. < 1303793806 412359 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, we *really wouldn't* have the Fukushima incident. < 1303793813 448018 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Because the reactor would have been shut down. :P < 1303793819 129243 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably < 1303793831 328370 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nuclear power is /actually/ the only sane long-term approach < 1303793833 908205 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least chernobyl was quickly dealt with. Fukushima... Not so much. The accident was March 11, and the reactors are still spewing contamination. < 1303793849 36843 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was actually scheduled to be shut down, but extended because the grid really needed the power. < 1303793878 969330 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: On the other hand, they evacuated the area before there could be notable health risks. < 1303793885 239388 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Unlike Chernobyl. < 1303793909 4573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think there are better ways! (even if only insane people can use them, which I really doubt) < 1303793948 618455 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wind is okay, but a single wind generator doesn't produce much usuable power < 1303793951 418152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me wind is best. But I think it is not best by itself, but it is good when combined with solar and so on. < 1303793962 526227 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they take up a lot of space < 1303793978 227769 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'd imagine that in the *future* renewable sources could be entirely viable. Most probably solar and extensive storage. < 1303793978 831242 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :solar is inefficient < 1303793988 524757 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible < 1303794001 353493 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know solar is inefficient it does not make much power. Which is why you have to combine wind with solar. < 1303794005 230829 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PV is not good, Concentrated solar sould be relatively OK, at least it some places. < 1303794022 843351 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt it'd be photovoltaic. < 1303794033 63241 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, fusion power... < 1303794036 625270 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, it's inefficient in that current technologies produce less than is used to make the panel < 1303794045 861524 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusion is just nuclear with less risk < 1303794052 949259 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, constructing large mirror arrays is much easier than constructing large PV arrays. < 1303794081 612063 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in any case. Of the *present* technologies, nuclear power is the only one that meets our needs and will last us more than ~20 years. < 1303794094 485730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303794141 903125 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, there's about 100 years of coal reserves. < 1303794167 811261 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, we *really* need to get off of coal. < 1303794180 411867 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concentrated solar is good < 1303794190 154205 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what rate? At what price? ... Oh, and that would do real "fun" things to the climate. < 1303794199 134880 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it's economical to run our grid off of it < 1303794208 385294 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Indeed. < 1303794227 104602 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Although ideally solar is still meaning that the net energy capture rate of earth is higher than before < 1303794227 711019 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: As I said, we really need to get off coal. < 1303794239 143150 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think he was talking about solar < 1303794250 612237 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :running our power economy entirely on solar would seriously affect climate < 1303794255 141755 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want to do _REALLY_ "fun" things to climate: Methane from Methane clathrates. < 1303794270 27461 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter *that* much that coal could last us ~100 years, because that shit is fucking dirty and dangerous. < 1303794283 162850 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: True, it quite probably would. < 1303794327 652420 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Though given that a large portion of our power economy is actually causing a greenhouse effect ATM, it doesn't seem like it'd have a *worse* affect than our current scheme. < 1303794340 914221 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True, and the two might well cancel out < 1303794360 930364 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a nuclear power plant spewed radioactive stuff like a coal plant does, it would get permissions revoked really really fast. < 1303794367 42325 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303794380 901112 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nuclear plants don't even generate that much stuff < 1303794399 434497 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that mining coal is very dangerous. < 1303794403 249480 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the superior technology in every respect except one < 1303794423 617149 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively little stuff, but that stuff is frickin bad. And "reprocesing" is a taboo. < 1303794433 126364 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1303794496 593341 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe hydroelectric < 1303794513 952277 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hydroelectric is a complete *nightmare* on ecosystems. < 1303794514 142111 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, advanced nuclear power technology is good way towards the bomb. So that tends to be looked down on. < 1303794571 996105 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three things about any power source: How much we have? At what rate? At what price? < 1303794582 147452 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy idea: < 1303794590 144858 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :power our society off of nuclear waste < 1303794603 873276 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there are three things, it means you need three sources. < 1303794616 415438 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's called "nuclear reprocessing". :P < 1303794625 661354 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, I mean the heat < 1303794639 380117 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff generates lots of heat < 1303794645 602975 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called "inefficient". < 1303794646 386898 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303794647 939732 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's neutron transmutation. But there's relatively little engineering on that. < 1303794656 579189 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why? It's there and we're doing nothing with it < 1303794685 803526 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true. It's an improvement over literally doing nothing. < 1303794696 735092 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That might work (a bit). < 1303794704 696987 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if we wanted to be *sane and rational* about it, we'd be using it as fuel in a reactor. < 1303794834 820948 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1303794913 422451 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aren't some of the lighter products really difficult and inefficient to reprocess? < 1303795002 357716 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the heavy elements can be reprocessed < 1303795024 124230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lighter ones mostly have _much_ shorter half-lives though, iirc < 1303795064 542214 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cesium-137 seems to be pretty bad; really tough to handle and a half-life of 30 years < 1303795089 602849 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :strontium-90 is the other component of high-level waste; that stuff is easier to handle and can be usefule < 1303795091 449496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um 30 years is _nothing_, i mean much shorter as opposed to _thousands_ of years < 1303795096 332265 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia < 1303795112 467735 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The ones with huge half-lives are not very radioactive though < 1303795166 964417 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The short-lived ones are just a royal pain *while they're still around*. < 1303795182 131752 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but they are the ones that make people worry about having to store stuff long enough that our descendants may have forgotten their there... < 1303795190 929303 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1303795217 356305 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need to pull any Yucca Mountain shit to hide them away from society for eons, *but* it takes some extensive facilities. < 1303795293 311924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i read that we can run reactors for hundreds of years by reprocessing waste that has already been _made_ < 1303796421 324831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to take a Tylenol < 1303796506 977962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tylenol taken < 1303796595 663901 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that shit. < 1303797183 773389 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303797197 904792 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303797198 167461 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-254-251.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1303797198 355025 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303797276 233153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303797282 998675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling conventions, eh < 1303797284 820103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with them < 1303797759 349326 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I made up a new D&D character for a separate campaign? I wrote a program on my TI-92 calculator to make up the name and ability scores of the character. < 1303797771 108265 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These are two separate programs) < 1303797822 590669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftgy < 1303797852 772950 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "ftgy"? (Also, I do not know your specific questions/comments about calling conventions) < 1303797870 419411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it related?) < 1303797973 412219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oiajfghoptejhiuroepksfdgjsokjbnkdospnb < 1303797976 432155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my question < 1303798008 918573 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-184.resnet.ucsb.edu QUIT :Quit: bye < 1303798020 3641 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: KAN YUU FIIRU? KAN YUU FIIRU ZATTO HAIBURIDDO REINBOU? < 1303798029 196587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: kawaii desu < 1303798051 136296 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters. Engrish. Why must it be common?
< 1303798054 238567 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303798058 383262 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not understand your question sorry? < 1303798065 106869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: its a good question < 1303798070 92011 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?// < 1303798096 475002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its a good question is the best a good question in the history of all the as good question, ever. < 1303798183 394571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but it is not the one that I understand. < 1303798193 715915 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quote transcribed from "ハイブリッドレインボウ", by the pillows, from /LITTLE BUSTERS/) < 1303798217 740255 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, that is three different English abuses in a row) < 1303798220 993308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, the a good question that is its a good question is one of the as good question, the assortment of all the best questions that can be said to be a, as in the adjective a, meaning that the as a good question of which its a good question is part of is a set of as good question. < 1303798235 174869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: AI MUST FIIRU < 1303798248 37142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the worst thing < 1303798252 997467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of you will ever realise the beauty of that statement < 1303798279 155078 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use/mention. < 1303798287 252823 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303798294 472972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no use/mention distinction there < 1303798294 778098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1303798296 692713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from < 1303798298 482745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the adjective "a" < 1303798301 274683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that, it's all use < 1303798320 100834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good question : as good question :: surgeon general : surgeons general (compare a good questions, surgeons general) < 1303798351 917811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but that isn't a question. < 1303798436 774898 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In "surgeons general", the plural is on the noun. < 1303798446 691570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your mom < 1303798450 30473 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fossilized French-style adjective. < 1303798488 990871 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, as it so happens, the Surgeon General *is* a general. < 1303798749 103891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a general < 1303798991 463066 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303799122 534230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK they are a general, but are they a surgeon? If not, "surgeons general" seem shouldn't sensible! < 1303799138 326988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are, then both "surgeons general" and "surgeon generals" should be acceptabpe. < 1303799346 674817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surgeon general is close enough to a surgeon for the purpose here. < 1303799352 875603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surgeons general is the moar correct option < 1303799494 259691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He is both a surgeon and a general. < 1303799559 291758 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, a general in the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. < 1303799571 603412 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then both "surgeons general" and "surgeon generals" ought to be correct (even if it isn't). < 1303799608 623819 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that is my logic on this idea, anyways < 1303799624 168521 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either the first or second-highest ranking officer in the PHSCC, depending on whether the present Assistant Secretary for Health has opted to serve as a civilian. < 1303799730 431989 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1303799972 68674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jurgons genershal < 1303799994 996974 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303800125 615288 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303800909 638565 :Tritonio_Droid!~AndChat@athedsl-413272.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1303801925 552065 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303802358 11535 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303802515 448713 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-233.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303802653 175663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanting to puke right now is probably unrelated to the Tylenol, right?
< 1303803077 834119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1303803081 629213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's aboslutely the tylenol's fault < 1303803085 362954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tylenol is known to cause puking < 1303803093 638963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it means something very bad < 1303803096 261982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go to the hospital < 1303803099 928114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get a doctor to stop you from dying < 1303803104 817192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is at this point likely < 1303803109 597443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're wanting to puke < 1303803118 729108 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303803380 487158 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stomach pains
< 1303803386 713578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's the lack of sleep?/ < 1303803388 142123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nght < 1303803393 233016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1303803394 892797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the tylenol < 1303803399 7256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :act quickly < 1303805031 557388 :Fuco!~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1303806573 219091 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-233.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303807895 595720 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303808025 124149 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303809955 490928 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1303810031 709360 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-70.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303810506 483572 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303810552 116153 :pingveno_!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303810923 542823 :el_gigante!~wef@163.5.72.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303810963 23880 :el_gigante!~wef@163.5.72.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303810964 21568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello el_gigante < 1303810967 241837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the ? < 1303810975 158996 :el_gigante!~wef@163.5.72.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1303810989 844551 :el_gigante!~wef@163.5.72.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bye < 1303810997 234390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i se < 1303810997 829808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1303811000 413910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you join this channel < 1303811004 321832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were only planning to leave it < 1303811008 685597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :predestination? < 1303811012 528825 :el_gigante!~wef@163.5.72.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for test my irc client < 1303811026 288283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably predestination. < 1303811068 356463 :el_gigante!~wef@163.5.72.224 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303811667 571982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: link me to superturing plz < 1303811675 856527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need it for serious purposes < 1303815025 589904 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303815419 189811 :pingveno1!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303817264 772864 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-70.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303817739 771812 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol: http://emilis.github.com/2011/04/12/usefullnes-of-inventing-languages.html < 1303819089 225574 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-70.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303819137 501037 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACEAA4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303819221 733204 :siracusa!~siracusa@p54ACFE36.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303819399 78906 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1303819758 377916 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, readable, but hard to write. < 1303819763 877310 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, nothing an IDE can do. < 1303819765 656038 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-- < 1303819773 836467 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lol < 1303819911 22787 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone like probability < 1303819918 85707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define probability < 1303820002 376786 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just tell it because it's fun: You flip a coin over and over again... you're only allowed to stop if at some point you've got >= 2/3 heads. What is the probability that you stop? < 1303821094 687982 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is an irratinoal number < 1303822265 652306 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303822887 578016 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola. < 1303822891 77163 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how the fuck. < 1303822896 319755 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's going to end up as a limit. < 1303822901 318917 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1303822903 376187 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1303822924 644370 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1303822956 111890 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun. < 1303822957 341602 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gun* < 1303822958 924745 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh* < 1303822965 381676 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1303822979 619905 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /expect/ that it will either be a sum or an limit to infinity. < 1303822981 589568 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1303822983 988749 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1303823125 656688 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nyan.cat < 1303823400 588300 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303823689 908430 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. go into #php and say C is a high level programming language < 1303823694 58189 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. hilarity < 1303823696 297280 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. profit < 1303825943 844613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good list of equipment I selected in this D&D game? silver candelabra for holding 4 candles, false book, small magnet, slate board, folding table case, 5x wick (50ft), 5x twine (50ft), 4x plain copper ring, 7 pieces of chalk (each one a different color), 30 marbles (6 clear, 6 stone, 6 clay, 6 red, 6 green). < 1303825956 602992 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total weight: 12 pounds. < 1303826437 561469 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you're playing a magician < 1303826588 39992 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what it seems when you read this list? < 1303827326 866212 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1303827909 211583 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303828371 55860 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you believe this? < 1303828388 151849 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1303828501 832624 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: Do you even know what it is? Do you know why you joined this channel? < 1303828553 10050 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what this room is. Although I don't know what you were talking about. < 1303828605 656108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, because I was not addressing you with my other question. Although, you type the your own question for esoteric programming or whatever else. < 1303828630 743726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303828633 861143 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/, please./ < 1303828668 210425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: welcome to zzo38 < 1303828753 665049 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.... I've got a question. Is there ever going to be a brainfuck golf contest? < 1303828821 8163 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been BF gold tourneys in the past *shrugs* < 1303828824 877048 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... golf < 1303828882 107876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have Brainfuck running in anarchy golf, although it is different than the Brainfuck Golf contests < 1303828912 366641 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeap. Is there ever again going to be one? < 1303828923 974934 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy golf? < 1303828961 905083 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there is ever again going to be one. < 1303829009 521418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: anarchy golf is http://golf.shinh.org/ < 1303829023 165657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: re another one - I doubt it, but ask dbc :P < 1303829044 172134 :Tritonio_Droid!~AndChat@79.131.166.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303829129 730716 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303829235 97578 :Tritonio!~AndChat@109.178.68.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303829270 258705 :Tritonio_Droid!~AndChat@79.131.166.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are toy sure this page works? It light he my reception though... < 1303829287 906966 :Tritonio_Droid!~AndChat@79.131.166.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might* < 1303829307 393326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1303829350 850995 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are toy sure, \ this page works? \ It light, he \ my reception. \ Though ... < 1303829355 931490 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A poem by Tritonio < 1303829388 119252 :Tritonio!~AndChat@178.147.107.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303829390 528278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor are toy \ Sure, this page works? It \ Light, he my \ reception. Though... A poem \ by Tritonio. < 1303829392 346065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A poem by Gregor < 1303829467 670938 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott \ Gregor \ are toy \ sure, \ this page works? \ It \ Light, he \ my \ reception. \ Though ... \ A poem \ by Tritonio. \ A poem \ by Gregor \ backslash < 1303829472 801340 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A poem by Gregor < 1303829477 623010 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plagiarized from elliott) < 1303829504 443971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor elliott gregor are \ Toy sure this \ page works it light he my \ reception though a poem by \ tritonio a \ poem by gregor \ backslash \backslash\ a poem by gregor \ plagiarsed < 1303829506 929240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by arse < 1303829537 522261 :Tritonio!~AndChat@178.147.107.236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolololol just saw what I wrote. Never mind... :) < 1303829546 165578 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Someone plagiarized my poem and didn't give me credit." -- A poem by an anonymous author < 1303829550 275015 :Tritonio_Droid!~AndChat@79.131.166.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303829623 635241 :Tritonio!~AndChat@178.147.107.236 QUIT :Client Quit < 1303829644 106351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303829676 699150 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unaffiliated. ais523, has joined. Esoteric. < 1303829685 412613 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- A poem by OK, seriously I'll stop now :P < 1303829776 510718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I take it you've been doing that for everyone joining for hours, from your attribution line < 1303829792 293273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Hours. < 1303830275 593016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303830531 39664 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303830807 390939 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303830886 749804 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :not P or not P or not P or not P? - A poem by me < 1303830920 92053 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proposition is as true by any other name. < 1303831201 543483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303831213 994455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303832167 959651 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303832401 619434 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303832655 568866 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC: no allocations. < 1303832843 372678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have anything left to allocate? < 1303832923 824788 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303833061 812515 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303833140 903220 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.989 blocks of IPv4 space. 0.991 blocks of IPv6 space. < 1303833200 325643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so they haven't run out of v4 space after all? < 1303833202 248709 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.991 blocks of what size? < 1303833215 289366 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant /8? < 1303833223 958077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was a block returned, or something? < 1303833238 781770 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they de-facto have, since allocations are heavily restricted. < 1303833250 912271 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: IPv6 block is /12. < 1303833252 172165 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think Ilari meant the APNIC unallocated RIR pool < 1303833278 121602 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the global pool is over, but there is space left in the RIR pool < 1303833347 883683 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, only RIPE, ARIN, LACNIC and AFRINIC allocate IPv4 normally anymore. As for IANA, it is out of IPv4 blocks, but has 506 IPv6 blocks. < 1303833446 505899 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove that n|3^n-5^n => n=2^r or ?? < 1303833482 544558 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2,4,8,16,32,64,68,128,136,256,272,512,544,1024,1088,1156,2048,2176,2312,2824,3104,4096 < 1303833492 142414 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the ones in between the powers? < 1303833532 266437 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.054 blocks of IPv6 space allocated by IANA to RIRs total. < 1303833554 706583 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Seems to at least have some of form 68*2^r. < 1303833598 825696 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is weird < 1303833641 590758 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also numbers not of neither 2^r nor 68*2^r... < 1303833652 779873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: *17*2^r? < 1303833662 626965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems weird to factor out two 4s like that < 1303833728 550297 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the later ones have factors 97, 137 or 353 < 1303833730 302902 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the point of ipv6 was to have a ridiculous amount of addresses < 1303833738 832935 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone be low on ipv6 blocks? < 1303833755 295716 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there is 2^2 17^3 < 1303833792 264091 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: Nobody is low on them. < 1303833812 465061 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1835747/text here are the factorizations of the first few of these < 1303833846 790151 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should think not, but i guess i wasn't comprehending very well < 1303833861 301504 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is a new prime: 257 < 1303833921 707203 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also get that n can be 128*257. < 1303833963 314829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to allow some numbers of the form 2^n(2^n+1) < 1303833966 311598 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: Unlike IPv4 blocks which aren't all that large, IPv6 block is loads of address space. < 1303833966 499584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with different ns < 1303833970 382837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, 2^a(2^b+1) < 1303833990 800931 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but 506 sounds awful scarce < 1303834010 748874 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess they'd be doling them out the same way as v4 < 1303834013 969503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a /32 contains enough space for everyone currently connected to the Internet by itself < 1303834019 989946 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1303834021 348803 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :myndzi < 1303834028 439866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are over a million of those in a /12 < 1303834043 713442 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand how vast the address space is ;) that was the source of my confusion < 1303834094 991493 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303834133 178771 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Global RIR IPv6 allocations so far: 0.142 blocks. And thats nearly 10 billion /48s. < 1303834198 213728 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried plotting 2^n mod n but I don't see anything < 1303834202 703873 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with 3^n < 1303834208 313289 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 5^n < 1303834279 824710 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably a fractal or something < 1303834401 455953 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And looks like if k is a solution, then all k*2^r are too. < 1303834499 29403 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that would explain why there are so many powers of 2 in there < 1303834589 180034 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of those are of form 2^r or p*2^r: 1156 = 2^2 * 17^2. < 1303834735 955272 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303834739 124833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303834897 653503 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-177.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303835005 208816 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there is some r such that 257^2*2^r is a solution. Or 17*257*2^r? < 1303835056 138516 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will search for it < 1303835105 1042 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes r = 7,8 < 1303835108 183550 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1303835112 354711 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, there is for latter: r=7. < 1303835117 814952 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1303835118 293642 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303835120 504175 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for every r < 1303835134 541334 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric : iwish I had a fast modular exponentiation < 1303835141 441568 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if r=7 is a solution, then every r>=7 is. < 1303835332 42986 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Abort, Retry, Fail? < 1303835831 478436 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :257*257*2^7 also is a solution. < 1303835857 720517 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=2^15*257*65537 < 1303835869 367111 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is definitely fermat primes < 1303835900 156426 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, 5, 17, 257, 65537 < 1303835901 277685 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303835908 386081 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the numbers aren fermat primes though < 1303835937 683319 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except can any number of form 3*2^r be a solution? < 1303835939 606204 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :97,137,353 < 1303835984 781869 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any solutions of that form but I can't rule it out < 1303836136 56039 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is, then 3*2^r|(5^(3*2^r)-3^(3*2^r)) => 3*2^r|(5^(2^r)-3^(2^r))(25^(2^r)+15^(2^r)+9^(2^r)). Since 3 is prime, it must divide one of factors. But neither can be divisible by 3, thus there are no solutions of form 3*2^r. < 1303836183 459805 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you did that factorization! < 1303836192 533192 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a difference of cubes! < 1303836205 601462 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is neat < 1303836335 449983 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that the solutions are (I haven't proved this): 2^r, 17^a*2^r (r >= 2), 17^a*257^b*2^r (r >= 7) and 17^a*257^b*65537^c*2^r (r >= 15). < 1303836358 168359 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some solutions with the primes 97,137,353 in them < 1303836382 870103 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah. < 1303836406 493803 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that trick with the difference of cubes may also work for any fermat prime < 1303836458 410262 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, although it matters that one of the bases is 3 < 1303836510 197998 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 5, the bases in second factor will be 625(0), 375(0), 225(0), 135(0) and 81(1). Thus, there can't be solution of form 5*2^r either. < 1303836602 567267 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It almost seems like there are set of number pairs (a,b) such that you can multiply any solution k*2^r by a if r >= b and get a new solution. < 1303836793 43866 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far found of those pairs: (1,0), (17, 2), (97, 5), (257, 7), (353, 3), (65537, 15) < 1303836808 80077 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a pair with a=137. < 1303836812 109533 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can basically compose them? < 1303836831 732111 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1303836933 80084 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 137 isn't relevant on it's own, since it always seems to be 17*1367 < 1303836934 93799 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 137 isn't relevant on it's own, since it always seems to be 17*137 < 1303836945 277460 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :could there be a pair with 2329? < 1303837188 896640 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there are pairs with non-prime a, such as (2329,2) < 1303837234 19880 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems hopeful that there could be just these pairs and they could generate all solutions < 1303837244 481525 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but how many of them? < 1303837248 751669 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe one should compute more to test that < 1303837279 219416 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was guessing these are all of them - but I probably haven't computed far enough to make that guess < 1303837341 24173 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there doesn't seem to be a pair (but I can't rule one out) with a=2^32+1 < 1303837369 580144 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^32+1 isn't prime < 1303837371 51684 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked < 1303837427 45831 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1303837805 734615 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh there is also 289 < 1303837820 782282 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :1649 < 1303837832 930775 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found some more candidates: 136. < 1303837846 249641 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's scary < 1303837851 416734 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am doing a search now but 136 didn't come up < 1303837858 265273 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have something wrong < 1303837864 907866 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303837868 129958 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am jus tlooking for even ones < 1303837873 547723 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: where does the problem come from? < 1303837883 826219 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry odd ones X) < 1303837890 132650 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is quite a lengthy solution compared to the original statement ;) < 1303837910 234040 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yes diophantine seems to be able to compress more information than theoretically possible < 1303837921 84156 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pair is even (136, 0)! < 1303837923 783811 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make it your own? < 1303837932 861330 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1303837942 684855 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303837967 598538 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, diophantine is quite a convoluted subject (at least for me...) < 1303837996 756326 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should turn on my other computer and let it try to verify the conjecture of Ilari to very large numbers < 1303837996 944121 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(289, 2). < 1303838016 757160 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we probably need to find out exactly what the pairs are first... also this new search makes me think maybe there are infinitely many pairs < 1303838051 861133 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :6001 :D < 1303838054 81426 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there < 1303838089 670517 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but that is just 17*353 < 1303838114 968630 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have bene looking at the factorized forms -_- < 1303838240 195672 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, 136 is just 2^3*17. < 1303838261 552378 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those numbers can't be even. < 1303838318 374040 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7681, 8). < 1303838389 553059 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't be even because those multiples of 2 can be absorbed into r anyway! < 1303838393 983018 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there was a way to look at it like < 1303838400 573733 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :k*2^infinity < 1303838404 609810 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know whta I mean < 1303838447 449306 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a new prime number 198593 < 1303838465 776790 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :259841 < 1303838486 835302 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23137 with unknown b. < 1303838505 975704 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :36097, b=? < 1303838516 923068 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :23137 = 17*1361 < 1303838526 223636 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :36097 is prime < 1303838542 442867 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there known pair with a=1361? < 1303838549 222084 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :17*26113 <-- this is odd because 26113 doesnt' seem to appear < 1303838565 872800 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem like some numbers are "stuck" to 17 < 1303838585 451919 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :39899 < 1303838680 969285 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always the case that if k2^r is one then k2^{r+1} is? < 1303838742 712932 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: Yes. < 1303838803 320391 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5^(2n)-3^(2n) = (5^n-3^n)(5^n+3^n). The first is divisible by n for some numbers, and the latter is divisible by 2 for any number. < 1303838845 653891 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see! < 1303838870 913689 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, 289=17^2. < 1303839069 565568 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like 5^(17*2^6)-3^(17*2^6) = (5^(17*2^5)+3^(17*2^5))(5^(17*2^4)+3^(17*2^4))(5^(17*2^3)+3^(17*2^3))(5^(17*2^2)+3^(17*2^2))(5^(17*2^1)+3^(17*2^1))(5^17-3^6) < 1303839092 917660 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should check thta < 1303839171 796771 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :? 5^(17*2^3)-3^(17*2^3) < 1303839172 22961 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :%7 = 114794370197489014450071927463032574073464515434335823575495306281286170747368778680268615229504 < 1303839175 435 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :? (5^(17*2^2)+3^(17*2^2))*(5^(17*2^1)+3^(17*2^1))*(5^(17*2^0)+3^(17*2^0))*(5^(17*2^0)-3^(17*2^0)) < 1303839177 755851 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :%8 = 114794370197489014450071927463032574073464515434335823575495306281286170747368778680268615229504 < 1303839200 343017 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that is actually annoying < 1303839205 722686 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't help because the modulus is not prime < 1303839221 284771 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it would just suffice to consider one of these factors.. but it doesn't < 1303839242 10099 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pairs with a<=10^5, b<=100: (1, 0), (17, 2),(97, 5), (257, 7), (353, 3), (2329, 2), (7681, 8), (23137, 4), (36097, 8), (39899, 2), (65537, 15). < 1303839282 575906 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if 65537 is still the biggest.. do you think that could be all pairs? < 1303839299 58885 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about 198593? < 1303839336 531041 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :(198593,4 < 1303839338 901060 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1303839382 287103 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1303839411 160099 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(443921, 9) < 1303839413 90824 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit frustrating I can't see any pattern in theses numbers < 1303839417 806584 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like are they all a special type? < 1303839460 289030 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis doesn['t know what they are < 1303839509 5487 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just searched OEIS. No luck. Either there's no sequence like that, or there are some small bases with large required r. < 1303839534 273638 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe there is some way to take the "limit" of r -> infinity < 1303839555 811923 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more funky considering that there are some bases that are not prime there. < 1303839562 286140 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1303839569 202192 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthat makes is really tricky < 1303839610 388727 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.106.27.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit new one to OEIS then :p < 1303839749 794768 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could one even prove or disprove that if n1 and n2 are solutions then lcm(n1,n2) is too? < 1303839806 300160 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :well n1,n2 | lcm(n1,n2) < 1303839814 41117 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it's to do with factorization < 1303839859 786340 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if both 5^a-3^a and 5^b-3^b factr in certain wasy then 5^(lcm(a,b))-3^(lcm(a,b)) factors in those ways too? < 1303839862 267011 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :Guest11470 < 1303839895 55013 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303839943 708800 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not there maybe be a counter-example < 1303839970 437624 :Guest11470!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :variable < 1303840077 643193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew what problem this was about < 1303840104 874521 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: For what n, n|5^n-3^n? < 1303840209 803993 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 5^(lcm(a,b))-3^(lcm(a,b)) has factors 5^a - 3^a and 5^b - 3^b. a = k1 * 2^r1, b = k2 * 2^r2. Therefore 5^(lcm(a,b))-3^(lcm(a,b)) has factor of lcm(k1, k2) * 2^max(r1, r2). = lcm(a, b). < 1303840323 106054 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one more thing to prove or disprove: k*2^r => k^l*2^r? < 1303840337 883975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.178.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303840921 67967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike the new wiki main page. < 1303840929 780550 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no day of the day of the day of the day :/ < 1303840938 582939 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, that should be enough with the others (k*2^r => k*2^(r+1), a and b => lcm(a, b)) to show complete set of pairs could be used to generate all solutions. < 1303840942 752546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::many many days too late: < 1303840947 290857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has solidity, so shaddup < 1303840970 299743 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: great I will try < 1303841062 3118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did someone bring up matrices of solidities again? < 1303841111 989197 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, some k are non-prime (like that 2329). < 1303841175 246881 :pingveno1!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1303841175 259363 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1303841202 86461 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303841348 890943 :pingveno1!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303841667 788995 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :You can never escape your matrix of solidity. (fnarf) | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Some logs also available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1303841678 87783 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, nope. Turns out even one 17 is enoug for a lot of 137s. < 1303841724 262473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin matrices of solidity < 1303841726 449798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they work < 1303841791 688274 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's r such that 17*137^2*2^r is a solution. < 1303841846 603500 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a problem? < 1303841869 230585 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Similarly to magnets. < 1303841879 315489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: honk < 1303841972 243258 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would generate a lot of pairs if one had to generate those that way. < 1303842106 330560 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :37733 (97*389) behaves in similar manner. < 1303842230 150396 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there's a k such that for no r k*2^r is a solution, but for some r, 257*k*2^r is. < 1303842361 228884 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or k^l*2 < 1303842375 485698 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or k^l*2^r, but k*2^r isn't a solution. < 1303842590 121220 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, is there l such that 17*137^l*2^r isn't solution for any r? < 1303842675 265251 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@78.88.164.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303842690 128294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8888888888 < 1303842705 158901 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window? < 1303842709 298908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh dear < 1303842725 564442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I needed to copy-and-paste a row of 10 8s < 1303842729 788699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I typed it into my IRC client < 1303842733 393473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1303842738 796300 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nethack. < 1303842739 696093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wanted to type 141 8s < 1303842745 504317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303842746 242666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a pain to count them all manually < 1303842789 99217 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh I see < 1303842803 407781 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Make a script that sends n times some string to PRIMARY? < 1303842819 166997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but doing it this way is pretty simple < 1303842829 855775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that perl and xclip or whatever? < 1303842834 822218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or heck, even awk < 1303843277 14568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.186.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303843481 762870 :tim000!~tim000@74-137-120-92.dhcp.insightbb.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303844087 29878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.186.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303845726 816581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303846157 66350 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303846191 311787 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303846239 767862 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303846339 619868 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303846840 921079 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there some k that has solutions with two prime factors that don't have solutions for any r? < 1303846898 202765 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean only r=0? < 1303847111 878146 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand th question < 1303847143 779476 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's k=17*137, where 137*2^r isn't a solution for any r. But can there be numbers with multiple factors like that 137? < 1303847300 345289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful, you lot < 1303847309 448890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number theory is the #esoteric equivalent of TV Tropes < 1303847383 775684 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh I undersatnd < 1303847386 94717 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-46-107.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1303847390 732301 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-46-107.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because number theory is BORING < 1303847397 564885 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the best thing to do would be to start building up a database of these k values < 1303847401 703995 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can query it easily < 1303847687 545798 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also store the smallest r corresponding to each k. < 1303847699 137941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303847816 114884 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one can use formula r(lcm(a,b)) = max(r(a),r(b)) to compress it a bit. But even with that, it is still likely infinite (due to powers). < 1303847939 275156 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at 3 and 5 ^(k 2^r) mod k and mod 2^r sepeartely < 1303847957 814993 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears both are always 1 mod 2^r (I guess that's just eulers totient thing) < 1303847975 108347 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem could be reduced to just considering mod k (maybe) < 1303848001 13803 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you already noticed that < 1303848043 768038 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems like mod k the patterns are periodic < 1303848047 469469 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed k < 1303848162 992118 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303848231 264619 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1303848387 275731 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 5^(2^r) == 1 (mod 2^r) and 3^(2^r) == 1 (mod 2^r) then that would really mean that one could calculate 5^(k*2^r)-3^(k*2^r) mod k and use that. < 1303848504 654282 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, looks like those hold. So indeed, one wouldn't have to have that power of two term in divisior. < 1303848602 417027 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a given k I think one can figure out the exact sequence of 5^(k*2^r) (mod k) < 1303848614 775680 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that can be calculated from 5^k mod k and 3^k mod k. < 1303848617 113536 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a general k that is very difficult < 1303848704 978712 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That also yields a way to test small values of r really fast. < 1303848724 76506 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second < 1303848733 917222 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303848780 680086 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :[9,13,16,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1] < 1303848793 851150 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the sequence 3^(17*2^r) (mod 17) < 1303848834 547017 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is periodic (happens to have period 1 but ignore that) after a 3 steps < 1303848847 6811 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that every sequence will be periodic after some fixed number of steps (usually 0) < 1303848865 587308 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, finding the pre-period should give the values of (k,r) in the pairs? < 1303848928 579136 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, period can be at most k^2 because limited number of states. < 1303848956 86971 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm does that mean every period length is a divisor of k^2? < 1303848966 195927 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1303848987 933667 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad - that would have made it a bit easier, could just ignore the 'true' period length and use k^2 for everything < 1303849029 630190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303849155 674095 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k=19 (which doesn't have solutions) has period of length 6. < 1303849288 907560 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also this means that r_min < k^2. < 1303849388 79767 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great!! < 1303849395 308675 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means you only need to check r = k^2 < 1303849407 786638 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equivalent to "r = infinity" < 1303849417 931561 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it true? < 1303849536 427973 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, if you want r_min, then you need to check all lesser ones. But that's almost as fast as just checking r = k^2. < 1303849575 170305 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303849797 434319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered fermat's little theorem? < 1303849822 681930 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a^(p-1) = 1 (mod p) for prime, gcd(a,p) = 1) < 1303849848 333528 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a^p = a (mod p) for prime p generally < 1303849920 4867 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means 3^(17*2^r) = (3^(2^r))^17 = 3^(2^r) (mod 17) < 1303849978 808287 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'd be surprised if you haven't, but you never know) < 1303850029 945111 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [9^r `mod` 17 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850030 725366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9,13,15,16,8,4,2,1,9,13,15,16,8,4,2,1,9,13,15,16,8,4,2,1,9,13,15,16,8,4,2,... < 1303850058 702835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh < 1303850075 330980 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [3^(2^r) `mod` 17 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850080 440383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1303850084 459401 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1303850086 959142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 [3^(2^r) `mod` 17 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850087 699877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9,13,16,1,1,1,1,1,1,1] < 1303850089 864682 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I add source code do this bot < 1303850102 127223 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal-cola: @let function = value < 1303850125 228957 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let modularPower b 0 n = 1 ; modularPower b e n = if (e `mod` 2 == 0) then ((modularPower b (e `div` 2) n) ^ 2) `mod` n else (b * (modularPower b (e-1) n)) `mod` n < 1303850127 146455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303850142 304635 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ modularPower 3 (2^r) 17 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850144 458213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9,13,16,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,... < 1303850191 119937 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ modularPower 5 (2^r) 17 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850193 439817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [8,13,16,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,... < 1303850200 649478 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1303850205 892707 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :r=1 for tricky reasons < 1303850243 15515 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, r_min=2 for k=17. < 1303850253 484307 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh ! I meant 2 < 1303850259 994467 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you see that's just a coincidence < 1303850264 153752 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should really be 4 < 1303850267 543170 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1303850278 218705 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just luck they share the same pre-period suffixe < 1303850302 530401 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that matters in terms of the composition < 1303850314 709533 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^5+1 < 1303850315 292929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33 < 1303850316 689081 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that test isn't as good as I thought. The basic problem is that the test for solutions takes k^2 time (which is actually exponential time!). < 1303850318 218139 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(2^5)+1 < 1303850319 26664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4294967297 < 1303850322 88651 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(2^4)+1 < 1303850322 990267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65537 < 1303850332 217944 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ modularPower 3 (2^r) 65537 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850334 230967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9,81,6561,54449,61869,19139,15028,282,13987,8224,65529,64,4096,65281,65536... < 1303850334 587921 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ modularPower 5 (2^r) 65537 | r <- [1..]] < 1303850336 838088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [25,625,62940,59635,33457,64426,54655,58102,31534,255,65025,65533,16,256,65... < 1303850356 287152 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see the periods in here :( < 1303850600 801597 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the maximum bound for r_min is (k-1)^2. < 1303850675 775214 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm... < 1303850703 533738 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, r_min < k^2 if it exists at all. < 1303851190 901650 :TeruFSX2!~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303851217 56531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwc XD < 1303851257 401647 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want cake> < 1303851272 173839 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, irregular webcomic < 1303851296 602540 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess if cake is good enough for you... < 1303851616 124826 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one just wants to test a k: Compute A <- 5^k%k B <- 3^k%k then k² times A <- (A*A)%k, B <-(B*B)%k. If A == B, then there is a solution for k*2^r (r_min is number of times you have to do the squares before A == B).. < 1303851777 231785 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also shows that for any k with solutions, 3 doesn't divide it. < 1303851791 923585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303851793 695873 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does 5. < 1303851809 38087 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1303851841 280815 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1303851845 424448 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather simpler, just note that 3 and 5 cannot divide 3^k-5^k ever < 1303851924 258139 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means k is one of 1, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23 or 29 modulo 30. < 1303852050 77172 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you imply that if k1 and k2 are solutions, then so is lcm(k1,k2) ? < 1303852153 404257 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, if n1 and n2 are, then lcm(n1,n2) is. Which is bit different. < 1303852175 476378 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm right you are ignoring powers of 2 for the k's < 1303852214 222749 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also impiles that: r_min(lcm(k1,k2)) = max(r_min(k1),r_min(k2)). < 1303852284 562380 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303852304 74867 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303852359 554402 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78.69.168.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303852578 629419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303852645 236738 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that it is possible to calculate valid k without gaps, I can confirm that OEIS doesn't have this sequence. < 1303852674 243198 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no prime > 2 can be an n-type solution because of fermat's theorem < 1303852683 442429 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sequence is missing a lot more than what the congruence obstructs, isn't it? < 1303852704 340843 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the n sequence? < 1303852738 657887 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative. < 1303852804 971546 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [modularPower 3 n n | n <- [1..]] < 1303852807 371625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,0,1,3,3,3,1,0,9,3,9,3,9,12,1,3,9,3,1,6,9,3,9,18,9,0,25,3,9,3,1,27,9,12... < 1303852816 600781 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1303852829 343811 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [modularPower 2 n n | n <- [1..]] < 1303852831 359407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,2,0,2,4,2,0,8,4,2,4,2,4,8,0,2,10,2,16,8,4,2,16,7,4,26,16,2,4,2,0,8,4,1... < 1303852842 168352 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 appears in this sequence really really far along < 1303852848 489181 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some pretty funky k in there. Like 2329(17*137). 17 is a valid k, but 137 isn't. < 1303852862 786657 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :4700063497 then 63130707451134435989380140059866138830623361447484274774099906755 < 1303852870 646876 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might consider using euler's totient function somehow... < 1303852897 265861 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a^t(n) = 1 (mod n), gcd(a,n) = 1) < 1303852969 647649 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: didn't you say something about 17*137^r < 1303853000 538321 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, at least 17*137² is also valid k. < 1303853045 701474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 17*137 - 16*136 < 1303853046 811836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 153 < 1303853161 781724 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-70.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303853852 711212 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the confirmed pairs (up to 6 000, not using powers): (1, 0), (17, 2), (97, 5), (257, 7), (289, 2), (353, 3), (2329, 2) and (4913, 2). < 1303854037 17992 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOXIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1303854073 492836 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moxie, the fnarfiest of beverages < 1303854114 189006 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moxie fnarfs SO GOOD < 1303854116 420096 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no idea < 1303854156 415192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate we'll soon be needing an #esoteric dictionary < 1303854165 684812 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your pathetic "taste" sense which you think in your ignorance is superior to fnarf doesn't allow you to experience the sheer degree of joy and pleasure. < 1303854177 551360 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let zygotes = [1,17,97,257,289,353,2329,4913] < 1303854179 703344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1303854183 648875 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(7681, 8) < 1303854186 788570 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`mod`15) zygotes < 1303854188 742788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,7,2,4,8,4,8] < 1303854202 38293 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`mod`20) zygotes < 1303854203 915442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,17,17,17,9,13,9,13] < 1303854206 261082 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`mod`30) zygotes < 1303854208 140776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,17,7,17,19,23,19,23] < 1303854214 562160 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pattern is very hidden :( < 1303854348 585941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shall have to rename hyposmia to euphnarphia < 1303854478 840513 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably there are further patterns. But none that would be easy to prove. < 1303854567 651669 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean maybe there is just some formula that generates them all < 1303854574 869079 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as: Are all k of form 17^k valid? < 1303854633 894041 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about 17*137^k? < 1303855038 449481 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example of n1, n2 where n1n2 isn't a solution? < 1303855573 583402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303855907 287822 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can exists < 1303856466 859199 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [3^n-5^n | n <- [1..]] < 1303856467 969266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-2,-16,-98,-544,-2882,-14896,-75938,-384064,-1933442,-9706576,-48650978,-2... < 1303856520 586025 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 544 `mod` 16 < 1303856521 464268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1303856545 959587 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1303856558 350833 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 544`div`16 < 1303856558 630970 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1303856559 73644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 34 < 1303856578 463658 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16*16 doesn't divide 544 < 1303856610 466558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't always have (3^m-5^m)(3^n-5^n)|(3^(mn)-5^(mn)) < 1303856627 315532 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!! < 1303856639 344553 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we did < 1303856648 346392 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1303856669 766285 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :if m|3^m-5^m and n|3^n-5^n doesn't that imply mn|3^(mn)-5^(mn)? < 1303856687 279951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what we're asking... < 1303856713 96811 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find a counter-example? < 1303856769 877102 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\n -> (5^n-3^n)`mod`n==0) [1..] < 1303856773 618539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1303856819 869116 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) [1..] < 1303856823 723799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1303856830 529128 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1303856848 656442 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 20 $ filter (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) [1..] < 1303856849 536310 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 3 $ filter (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) [1..] < 1303856850 865896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4] < 1303856851 53501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,68,128,136,256,272,512,544,1024,1088,1156,2048,2176,2312] < 1303856903 424647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already know multiplying by 2^r preserves solutions, so those are uninteresting < 1303856915 961277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 68*68 < 1303856916 729750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4624 < 1303856931 58951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 40 $ filter (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) [1..] < 1303856934 908584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1303856939 579648 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 3 $ filter (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) [1,3..] < 1303856943 243022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1303856956 856859 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um we have no odd examples < 1303856986 764164 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe you do < 1303856990 583857 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't < 1303857004 383682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) 4624 < 1303857006 22201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1303857074 187607 :topodecai!~felix@125.Red-83-33-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303857117 92935 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> all (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) $ join (liftM2 (*)) [68,136,272,544,1088,1156,2176,2312] < 1303857118 661681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1303857126 78275 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1303857140 787499 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number is very big! < 1303857153 309798 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1303857183 147648 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) $ join (liftM2 (*)) [68,136,272,544,1088,1156,2176,2312] < 1303857184 816079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True... < 1303857239 953168 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah clever < 1303857320 934482 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like if n is a solution, ns is too, where s is any prime factor of n. This would imply that if n1 and n2 are solutions, n1*n2 is too. < 1303857330 95643 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) . reverse $ join (liftM2 (*)) [68,136,272,544,1088,1156,2176,2312] < 1303857331 845814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True... < 1303857337 978276 :topodecai!~felix@125.Red-83-33-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1303857348 463147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it is not a problem of modularPower being inefficient < 1303857353 143213 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\b -> if b then 't' else 'f'). map (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) . reverse $ join (liftM2 (*)) [68,136,272,544,1088,1156,2176,2312] < 1303857354 972930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt" < 1303857371 866143 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> all (\n -> modularPower 5 n n == modularPower 3 n n) $ join (liftM2 (*)) [68,136,272,544,1088,1156,2176,2312] < 1303857374 60686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1303857384 719561 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the Terminated was just a fluke < 1303857459 253335 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yay", hail. < 1303857467 752838 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat? < 1303857503 559583 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes "hail" is ambiguous
< 1303857541 996538 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is much stronger, allowing likes of generating k=319073 out of k=2329 (with r_min of 2). < 1303857545 636318 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The precipitation. < 1303857557 345181 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorado has decided to have confusing weather. < 1303857589 22276 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-226.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was snowing earlier. < 1303857602 391652 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: oh hm didn't notice your previous sentence. yeah that would imply it. < 1303857628 386591 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a proof? < 1303857826 657554 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303857921 331243 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume n|5^n-3^n => 5^n-3^n = 0 (mod n). That is, 5^n = 3^n (mod n). Now, 5^(ns)-3^(ns) = (5^n)^s - (3^n)^s = (x1*n+x)^s - (x2*n+x)^s = (x1*n*s+x) - (x2*n*s+x) = x - x = 0 (mod ns) => ns|5^(ns)-3^(ns). < 1303858007 267667 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assumes ns|n^2 => s|n (which is assumed). < 1303858044 183399 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, s|n => ns|n^2. < 1303858213 611815 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those are equivalent yes < 1303858400 583234 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would allow considerable compression of base set needed to generate all solutions (it still might be infinite, but not due to powers). < 1303858418 983483 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i don't get the (x1*n+x)^s - (x2*n+x)^s = (x1*n*s+x) - (x2*n*s+x) step < 1303858580 588417 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All higher powers of n generate multiples of ns (and thus equal zero mod ns). < 1303858589 590197 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1303858674 370522 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the right side should then be (x1*n*x^(s-1)*s + x^s) - (x2*n*x^(s-1)*s + x^s) < 1303858722 679011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest works < 1303858872 732485 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wouldn't this mean the base set can only be infinite if there are infinitely many primes involved? < 1303859058 157011 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some non-primes involved as well. < 1303859077 715417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i mean all prime factors involved < 1303859121 731452 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's a corollary of that subsequence thing you've spoken about before, i think < 1303859125 115870 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :some numbers are only appearing when taken together < 1303859147 999304 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_i know that_ < 1303859171 957581 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"primes involved" does not mean that the solutions are primes < 1303859275 589954 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you write each solution using its ascending prime factorization, then if there are infinitely many with a finite set of prime factors then one must be a subsequence of another => one must divide the other) < 1303859295 946800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with a given finite set < 1303859351 351655 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*each base solution < 1303859488 973218 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303859649 226296 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irreducable pairs with k<10^6: (1, 0), (17, 2), (97, 5), (257, 7), (353, 3), (2329, 2), (7681, 8), (23137, 4), (36097, 8), (37733, 5), (39899, 2), (65537, 15), (150641, 5), (198593, 4), (259841, 8), (443921, 9), (550273, 4), (786433, 18), (828089, 5) < 1303859708 341290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the second element of the pair is just the power of 2 extracted, right? < 1303859729 109761 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes (actually the smallest possible). < 1303859753 471342 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should technically add (1, 1) to get everything generated :) < 1303859814 601765 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1, 0) is sort of degenerate < 1303859849 649364 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no it's fine < 1303859873 324231 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, one could write those as single numbers (a,b) => a*2^b, (except for (1, 0) => 2). Then one could write the solutions as lcm of some subset times factors of itself. < 1303859889 891256 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, assuming lcm of nothing is 1). < 1303859911 605191 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you sometimes _do_ need to include two numbers where one is a factor of the other, when the larger one adds a new prime < 1303859992 316726 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, since one can just raise the factors independently. If you include 2329, no need to include 17. < 1303860007 280276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1303860017 705134 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need 17 to generate numbers that don't have 137 as factor. < 1303860035 862871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2329 doesn't give you all the information < 1303860051 533539 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that 17 is a solution but 137 isn't) < 1303860137 686405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you could combine them that way, you'd just end up replacing _every_ pair with their lcm < 1303860202 728531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiac the base should consist of solutions such that no smaller number with the same prime factors is a solution < 1303860242 78401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which both 17 and 2329 are < 1303860243 445195 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are pairs irreducable k that are both semiprime but not coprime: 443921 and 550273 for instance. < 1303860262 885746 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :semiprime? < 1303860273 808613 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gcd 443921 550273 < 1303860274 723131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17 < 1303860314 313465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`div` 17) <$> [443921, 550273] < 1303860315 355728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [26113,32369] < 1303860922 707121 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303862071 406933 :crystal-cola!~quantum@unaffiliated/j-invariant PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spooky that it has 17 inside it < 1303862102 954922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghost of primes past < 1303862160 980133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`mod` 137) <$> [443921, 550273] < 1303862161 800156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [41,81]