< 1302998429 619756 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302998440 721235 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302998742 697384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: any luck? < 1302998744 724245 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-250-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302998781 779056 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302999216 501300 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302999351 890822 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, definitely like Tup. < 1302999401 224053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is schweet. < 1302999412 214879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arrows go up[exclamation mark] < 1302999423 257181 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302999822 383597 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the monitor auto-build is actually easy, it seems. < 1302999832 327208 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup config autoupdate 1 < 1303000133 847073 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-250-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net NICK :Lymia < 1303000135 561950 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-250-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1303000135 712089 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303000178 19579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh god i've been talking to tktech on reddit without realising it < 1303000179 562531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. < 1303000187 714796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY MAILING LIST POST WILL LOOK SUPER-STUPID NOW < 1303000389 949095 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I also approve of gittup. < 1303000452 871001 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea could have great potential if extended further. < 1303000504 796186 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just post a followup "Never mind. I found it out." < 1303000510 483649 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, nothing else. < 1303000521 348823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1303000566 884725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's submitted for moderation < 1303000571 227101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE IT'LL GET REJECTED < 1303000574 797031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's elliott's mailing list pos? < 1303000575 947633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hi all, < 1303000576 110335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pushed a branch called "fuse" to the public repo. It replaces < 1303000576 260428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ldpreload mechanism with a FUSE wrapper filesystem. < 1303000577 635996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1303000579 239294 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1303000583 434591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: mailing lists have a posse < 1303000606 469384 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nice bit about that is that it'll work on every still-maintained UNIX. < 1303000622 129763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yes, including Hurd. < 1303000625 154703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. strace would probably be faster. < 1303001199 854829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So autoupdate just makes the monitor do that, right? < 1303001204 748620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you can have a tupdefaults file thing in the latest git < 1303001209 42838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can set that globally < 1303001248 897323 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, autoupdate does that. < 1303001333 769523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still with all the output? LET'S SAY YES < 1303001446 557344 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1303001478 679099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try. < 1303001520 282169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get an on-screen keyboard in ubuntu? < 1303001523 45710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to type my password. < 1303001548 381641 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dunno < 1303001556 802200 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for accessibility < 1303001638 554829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like keyboard accessibility settings < 1303001889 342327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol < 1303001890 741634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303001895 235564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't install an on screen keyboard < 1303001898 191670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have to type my password < 1303001900 483700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to install packages < 1303001919 91325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help? < 1303001973 96010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic) < 1303002083 713867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no srsly. halp. < 1303002128 68659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope < 1303002130 551185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck < 1303002133 742769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the 1.31 version < 1303002137 657283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same screwiness < 1303002141 372487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :( < 1303002142 844307 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have replicated Tapper's tempo adjustment but on a beat-by-beat basis instead of a note-by-note basis. < 1303002143 172391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very weird < 1303002151 289046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tapper? < 1303002154 776080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the name of your thing < 1303002155 826893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303002177 992153 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.musanim.com/tapper/ < 1303002178 699407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can't install an on screen keyboard because i have to type my password to install packages < 1303002183 576635 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you open a terminal? < 1303002187 15847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1303002192 199887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use sudo, just not enter my password < 1303002192 879753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can middle click paste into the sudo prompt < 1303002195 763467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1303002197 7555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1303002197 516316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks bro < 1303002205 387447 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tapper is what I already know of that does something similar, but is too involved for multi-track files IMHO. < 1303002212 653675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you owe me so much now < 1303002213 919347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah. < 1303002217 701638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1303002219 137378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "replicated" < 1303002225 972365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'll call you bro TEN TIMES < 1303002228 171412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one, bro < 1303002230 668539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was two, bro < 1303002233 989783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're running out pretty quickly bro < 1303002234 494480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not valid < 1303002242 281693 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may recreate Tapper precisely itself while I'm at it since Tapper has some limitations and isn't F/OSS. < 1303002248 870069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bro < 1303002250 422526 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :("precisely" = "but with no UI" of course) < 1303002264 8523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So do you write a EgoMusicFile? < 1303002269 760761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it NOT FUN AND DECLARATIVE < 1303002281 601503 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's MIDI all the way down < 1303002294 220032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, how do you tell it how to mix stuff? < 1303002297 247013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a... declarative MIDI file? < 1303002304 100786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idea: external keyboard < 1303002311 470913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have one but it sucks and I like this keyboard. < 1303002320 417018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's dusty. < 1303002321 487179 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "How to mix stuff"? < 1303002327 7511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean, you prefer a keyboard that you can't write 1-8 on? < 1303002328 382264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303002334 561056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe I am misunderstanding your software :) < 1303002341 193491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that other keyboard must *really* suck < 1303002342 80102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can mix two MIDI files or whatever into one with your thing, right? < 1303002346 258950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :D < 1303002362 3735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GOK has enabled Sticky Keys, which it requires." < 1303002362 954917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. < 1303002368 951006 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, although it does do that as a boring clerical task. < 1303002369 807115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just...no. < 1303002378 85255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's it actually FOR then :P < 1303002393 304470 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point of what I'm making is to be able to sit while it plays software and with a control panel add tempo, dynamics and other expressive elements. < 1303002398 688351 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1303002403 476774 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it plays MUSIC >_> < 1303002410 486096 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to interdynamically mix midi! < 1303002411 257942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What control panel? < 1303002424 849733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't ask me what it means, I have no clue) < 1303002427 604001 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A piece of hardware. In my case a NanoKONTROL, but any MIDI-oriented control device should do. < 1303002430 661870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1303002435 575005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So it's... live? < 1303002436 857206 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or a MIDI keyboard for that matter. < 1303002438 501927 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1303002440 688802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not reproducable or fuzzy or ANYTHING < 1303002460 971434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guyz: Onscreen keyboard for Linux, I need one < 1303002464 190204 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It produces a tempo or dynamics file which can be recombined into the original MIDI file even after (certain) editing. < 1303002498 576800 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :community/matchbox-keyboard 0.1-3 < 1303002498 765205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : An on screen virtual keyboard < 1303002499 4852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra/gok 2.30.1-1 (gnome-extra) < 1303002499 170273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gnome Onscreen Keyboard < 1303002503 92279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra/kdeplasma-addons-applets-plasmaboard 4.6.1-1 (kde kdeplasma-addons) < 1303002503 242478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : A virtual, on-screen keyboard < 1303002503 242701 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303002504 763948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gok sucks < 1303002508 437454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, doesn't even work < 1303002510 795435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires sticky keys < 1303002511 667756 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those all suck, horribly. < 1303002514 931437 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is amazing how bad they are. < 1303002519 839074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does matchbox suck? < 1303002521 774592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm willing to try it < 1303002523 312892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :community/xvkbd 3.2-1 < 1303002523 503504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : virtual (graphical) keyboard program for X Window System < 1303002527 270396 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue about that one < 1303002530 303918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be something else < 1303002545 321077 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It basically doesn't work at all unless you're actually using the WM, and I've never gotten the VM to work properly on anything but a palmtop. < 1303002552 930198 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WM >_< < 1303002561 370667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I even start matchbox-keyboard. < 1303002563 384622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the KDE one? < 1303002566 766657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not matchbox-keyboard. < 1303002568 278083 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've used xvkbd a lot. It's ... almost tolerable. < 1303002569 46415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Plasmoid. < 1303002571 690084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. requires Plasma. < 1303002573 835926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. shit. < 1303002575 859406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay so that one < 1303002582 263067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is good or elliott then < 1303002583 617521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What would you use xvkbd for... < 1303002606 336509 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Had a tablet PC once. < 1303002609 387552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P < 1303002622 121263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :235i < 1303002625 526978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :community/libfakekey 0.1-4 < 1303002625 791475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : X virtual keyboard library. < 1303002626 320100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaay < 1303002629 986392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about that one < 1303002633 811751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to write your own < 1303002634 728907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so ugly < 1303002638 351648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be perfecrt < 1303002640 512931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect* < 1303002652 882869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, impressively ugly. < 1303002655 535988 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it revolts me to think about this, I wonder: how sanely could an autoconf/tup build system be made? < 1303002659 31293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, screenshot! < 1303002671 701382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, tup? < 1303002674 382676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: too ugly to screenshotX ok ok < 1303002677 304534 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, continuing, elliott: My obsession with repeatability isn't about eliminating the human factor, computers simply can't write good music yet, it's about making sure that nothing is lost in the process and everything back to the notation is editable without necessarily having to redo the rest outright. < 1303002677 591719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is now exclamation mark though < 1303002680 112271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The best build system evaaar. < 1303002683 240820 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tup is the build system of awesome. < 1303002690 623006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost as fast as Mordor. < 1303002696 398221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And about five billion times faster than make. < 1303002699 720307 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gittup.org/tup/ < 1303002709 595916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1303002710 405938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303002713 211825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303002715 658173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Make is O(n) by design, tup is O(log[caret][two] by design). < 1303002716 559991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1303002728 713146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And tup is even optimal in some (most?) cases.) < 1303002730 568938 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think log^2 is what you meant. < 1303002735 445911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you firefox < 1303002735 596866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think that's what was in the paper. < 1303002746 880681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you whining vs. (log n)[caret][two] < 1303002758 86357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, it actually is O(log^2 n). < 1303002761 890881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox worked perfectly well, trying to open link from irc client gave me "firefox is not responding" < 1303002765 237837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT WERE!!! < 1303002768 293220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno whether that's double log or log squared :P < 1303002771 71775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, I thought you were trying to write log_2 n. :P < 1303002771 651618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's small, anyway. < 1303002784 195776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: all logs are the same in O() :) < 1303002789 477607 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1303002791 270324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Make is O(n) by design, tup is O(log[caret][two] by design). <-- where the fuck is your _ ? < 1303002798 151468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1303002805 434425 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do you call it carret? < 1303002812 52284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :caret is the name of caret. < 1303002813 327173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not of _. < 1303002817 298004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup is O(log[caret][two] n). < 1303002818 838240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay wait a second. log²? < 1303002821 12680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1303002823 182989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where did the n go? < 1303002826 167593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost it. < 1303002833 184394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stop confusing me like that < 1303002839 956085 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay now where the fuck is your ^ < 1303002841 601617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing I want to type: xvkbd [and] disown < 1303002843 321175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing i can't type: that < 1303002844 475080 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it is next to enter < 1303002845 117365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shift-six < 1303002851 286873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone paste an and plz < 1303002853 977649 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is shift-six for me < 1303002859 222253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1303002863 937736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unintentional! < 1303002878 22658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now where is the screenshot < 1303002893 174512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't tell me your print screen key is broken too < 1303002895 965657 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's the US number row, shifted: ~!@#$%^&*()_+ (from ` to =) < 1303002900 573073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to screenshot it < 1303002903 130384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't like being focussed < 1303002907 24622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :focused < 1303002908 137465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for me it is !"#¤%&/()= < 1303002917 652604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is 1 to 0 < 1303002926 250462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOCUS YOU SHITHEAD < 1303002929 849972 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/00IFp.jpg < 1303002938 319088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, take whole screen screenshot? < 1303002944 679613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you'll see all my goat porn < 1303002953 379042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ONLY SOMEWHAT < 1303002964 700468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, first key is § / ½ then 1, then after 0 you get +' (last one dead key for é) and shifted those are ?` (last one dead key for è) < 1303002989 222549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not focus it and use printscreen? < 1303003002 128996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How CAN I focus it? < 1303003005 369435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It refuses to be focused. < 1303003007 901538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303003039 232084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-printscreen (stupid, collides with magic sysrq!!) does current windows for me < 1303003043 920993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It < 1303003045 444445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does < 1303003045 971813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not < 1303003046 495108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Focus < 1303003057 125232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, take whole screen. Open gimp. Cut it out < 1303003061 444206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much work. < 1303003076 402529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link to their website? It presumably has screenshots < 1303003084 289448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also: google. < 1303003090 292190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was the name now again? < 1303003095 496268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xvkbd < 1303003129 643047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what, is the issue? (apart from being .gif) http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/xvkbd-normal.gif < 1303003140 581577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it fits perfectly next to Mosiac < 1303003144 988845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har har har < 1303003174 593773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but seriously, I'm not bothered about mixed styles < 1303003191 870512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as each program itself is consistent < 1303003211 780133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still agley. < 1303003242 85435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a is NOWHERE NEAR u. How the heck did that happen? < 1303003248 686958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an elliottism. < 1303003252 840457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303003260 11217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best laid plans o' mice and men / gang aft agley. < 1303003268 540625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds kind of like uglyX Let's use it to mean uglyX < 1303003284 714345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sry, < 1303003290 885579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft agley < 1303003296 908043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, another way, map the menu key to a modifiers, catch it, use that + the row below the numbers to input the numbers < 1303003303 31464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no menu key < 1303003304 848820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should be "trivial" to write such a daemon < 1303003309 765365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, some other key then < 1303003314 645185 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, logo key? < 1303003321 940899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnctrl alt cmd space cmd alt < 1303003324 504549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i rarely use cmd but still < 1303003326 608340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could also just send it back for repair... < 1303003327 261275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1303003343 322782 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you said that would suck so much. Plus my way is cooler < 1303003360 278576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it provides security too. No one would figure out how to enter you password < 1303003369 168632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything sucks more than not having my number keys. < 1303003374 438929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qeverything < 1303003379 698804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is exclamation mark, Q is asterisk < 1303003379 848717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q? < 1303003382 382114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303003418 296466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait a second. Should I read "everything sucks more than not having my number keys" *literally*? < 1303003426 440616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1303003427 101346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so you should be happy < 1303003435 977973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1303003436 961566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1303003442 912009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO COMPLICATED FOR TWO AM < 1303003452 945814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for example, pink unicorns would suck more < 1303003512 556741 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303003574 953472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think you would have to agree that your sentence actually meant: ∀x ¬not_having_number_keys(x) -> sucks_more_than_not_having_number_keys(x) < 1303003607 447215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that could be expressed better < 1303003674 375091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i need another octothorpe < 1303003682 939508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that sucks_more_than(a,b) means that a sucks more than b, we have: < 1303003683 143511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀x ¬is(x,not_having_number_keys) -> sucks_more_than(x,not_having_number_keys) < 1303003689 167416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i need another octothorpe < 1303003696 306356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't your on screen keyboard have that? < 1303003699 552869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't* < 1303003706 436024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sorry for asking help, bro < 1303003710 477970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well # < 1303003717 357479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but seriously, doesn't it have it? < 1303003717 521328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1303003720 488396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to ask two people there < 1303003724 427050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needed two octothorpes < 1303003726 862537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turns out, i don't < 1303003728 169135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only need one < 1303003734 444918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... < 1303003735 236056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have an octothorpe surplus < 1303003742 17669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i bet i'll lose this one before i need another octothorpe < 1303003759 421268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT ABOUT YOUR ON SCREEN KEYBOARD? < 1303003762 691645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bro < 1303003774 362562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, around you, caps lock mapped to that would be useufl < 1303003774 573860 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedecimthorpe < 1303003776 622103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful* < 1303003784 134344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT HOW WOULD I TALK LIKE THIS? < 1303003790 612882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, possibly ¤? Looks a bit like it < 1303003822 355601 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't see 16 thorpes in that < 1303003827 204684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant, caps lock mapped to caps lock would be useful when near you < 1303003840 758177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is a thrope? < 1303003848 593506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fo rthe asterisk Vorpal < 1303003851 466833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needed one < 1303003857 8598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever there's 8 of in an octothorpe, duh < 1303003862 19230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a percent sign < 1303003871 832359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what happened to your on screen keyboard < 1303003873 217674 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously ## must have 16 < 1303003881 67259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm just socialising... < 1303003883 783985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a percent sign < 1303003886 862657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did it die a horrible death at the hand of the aesthetics? < 1303003892 84901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303003894 170887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1303003927 13648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ‰ < 1303003930 37050 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1303003930 994990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we were out < 1303003935 214670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dammic < 1303003937 573032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit* < 1303003944 137339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an and to start the virtual keyboard again... < 1303003965 380238 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to prevent a vicious fight to the death, is all < 1303003973 925907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, new terminal tab? < 1303003978 853853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an and. < 1303003984 999350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, new terminal tab < 1303003992 778227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303003994 286297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to disown it < 1303003996 549122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xvkbd [and] disown < 1303003997 425428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1303004001 343719 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++<-]+.[+.] < 1303004001 493907 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ... < 1303004005 555976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i love you < 1303004007 648070 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1303004014 317568 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++<-]<+.[+.] < 1303004014 467767 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ... < 1303004015 176610 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?help bf < 1303004015 326608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf . Evaluate a brainf*ck expression < 1303004017 716933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all i need is two to eight, and shifted versions of that < 1303004025 912153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you're not as cool as the news-ham < 1303004027 530140 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugs lose effectiveness in space: Scientists at Nasa's Johnson Space Centre have shown that the effectiveness of drugs declines far more rapidly in space than on Earth. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/health-13092523 < 1303004031 544544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop stealing its name < 1303004046 869423 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cant overcome the ambient temperature here < 1303004054 181812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, here is a shifted row: ½!"#¤%&/()=? < 1303004066 223726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham < 1303004067 68791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fail < 1303004067 821499 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Society 'toothless' - Nichols: The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales describes David Cameron's Big Society initiative as "toothless". http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-politics-13107287 < 1303004072 815798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ugh, the monitor daemonises, so autobuild is kinda shit. < 1303004075 146760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not at all. It is accurate for me < 1303004083 792916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for you but not for elliott < 1303004089 698525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed! < 1303004094 785863 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham < news - ham, solve for e < 1303004096 913413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, he didn't specify layout < 1303004122 317198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham < 1303004123 917466 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Injured teachers awarded millions: Teachers were awarded millions of pounds in compensation in 2010 for accidents, assaults and injuries, figures released by unions show. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/education-13103243 < 1303004171 560702 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham rand paul < 1303004173 68868 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Croat generals jailed for crimes: Two Croatian military leaders are jailed for war crimes committed in the 1990s, provoking anger in Zagreb where many regard them as war heroes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-europe-13092438 < 1303004191 590551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm in uplink I just saw an "ip" 942.127.295.517 < 1303004197 397175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a strange range < 1303004221 61481 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`mod` 256) [942,127,295,517] < 1303004221 792738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [174,127,39,5] < 1303004245 624741 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i don't think lambdabot's bf has worked for a while. but both fungot and EgoBot have implementations. < 1303004246 162704 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you're going to be modular, then forcibly load it in gsi, then try to implement your own widgets" thing. < 1303004246 512632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, that's my ip < 1303004246 837519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, uplink is a game, so it doesn't have to make sense < 1303004247 264303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in space < 1303004264 929698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>. < 1303004265 79686 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1303004271 46952 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>. < 1303004271 581831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ < 1303004273 618002 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303004278 37200 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _is_ working now < 1303004280 684337 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1303004288 253566 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda ``.ii < 1303004288 806688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlambda: Parse error at end of file < 1303004292 788322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. It added a space < 1303004292 977070 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1303004295 527874 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda `.ii < 1303004295 710406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you foreground any process in a shell? < 1303004296 137980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i < 1303004296 825852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1303004308 963020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, jobs < 1303004312 474517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then fg < 1303004322 44830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a job < 1303004327 582255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then what do you mean < 1303004329 136437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a daemon < 1303004332 127524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that outputs to this console < 1303004334 750364 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot (fg any process) < 1303004336 402894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to reparent it somehow < 1303004343 241830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: well, you could if you turned it into a job... somehow. < 1303004348 44745 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen is your friend if you have forethought < 1303004349 278276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think you could with gdb < 1303004352 712497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303004354 288076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doing some call < 1303004358 771333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: no, the program itself daemonises < 1303004363 752209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no flag to stop it < 1303004379 832480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, &>/dev/null < 1303004402 851118 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb, dup2(open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR), 0); dup2(0,1); dup2(1,2); ? < 1303004412 160527 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short answer is that shells dont do that < 1303004417 338613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. but they should :) < 1303004419 736921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i want the output < 1303004430 95083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, &>somefile? < 1303004432 628914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also want to be able to kill it with ctrl+c < 1303004442 793462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why are you proposing all these things that you know don't do what i want... < 1303004451 106454 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you can get it back into your tty's session without some fork()ing going on. < 1303004460 176583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, write a short C program that kills it on SIGINT < 1303004460 439290 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could do it by injecting an appropriate code sequence. < 1303004466 816414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, run it in forground < 1303004481 997797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: X_X < 1303004482 590013 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easier* solution.. gdb it in such a way as to take out th edaemonize stuff < 1303004489 541219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i could just modify the code :) < 1303004494 563989 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1303004507 598425 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD_PRELOAD's a good tool in this situation sometimes < 1303004519 343936 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. make fork() a nop, make close() not work on fd = 0,1,2 < 1303004534 403718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, elliott hates dynamic linking as implemented on *nix < 1303004548 516571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't use iyt < 1303004549 468765 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic linking is a huge problem that fixes a small one < 1303004549 732028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1303004550 628185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup itself uses LD_PRELOAD < 1303004553 243683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm already using it :) < 1303004570 324382 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan9 bins are all statically linked.. you're using the wrong OS ;-) < 1303004588 475273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love plan 9 < 1303004591 598646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, kinda < 1303004596 230776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it, but with me, that's like love < 1303004605 956788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fiery hatred, or unbelievable hatred, or hatred burning with the passion of a million suns < 1303004607 797341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nice fluffy hatred < 1303004913 917565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1303005536 471289 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham: What do you think about newsham? < 1303005537 171542 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIDEO: Bear rescued from tree in New Jersey: A black bear has had to be rescued after becoming stuck in a tree in New Jersey. http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-us-canada-13102821 < 1303005577 703575 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tick news < 1303005577 965329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEWS: 11.99 -0.01 (-0.08%) @ 4/15/2011 4:00pm < 1303005587 734710 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?farber < 1303005587 884794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm as happy as a clam in pig's broth. < 1303005595 901351 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Fine, but that news is less ham-inspired. < 1303005609 581321 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: tempotapper, now with with awesome tempo smoothing 8-D < 1303005643 892740 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want more ham check newsham.com < 1303005667 354150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tick sxcfvygbuhnjim < 1303005667 517287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SXCFVYGBUHNJIM: 0.00 @ N/A 7:07am < 1303005670 435610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303005681 78711 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tick swvxx < 1303005681 228750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWVXX: 0.01% @ 4/15/2011 5:44pm < 1303005689 472172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: don't make me registers news-ham.com < 1303005689 892401 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story of our rooms: What does the number and type of rooms say about how houses have evolved over the centuries? http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/magazine-12483492 < 1303005696 494770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just like fifteen headlines on a page < 1303005792 815582 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 tup < 1303005978 761405 :news-ham!~news-ham@91.104.230.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303006058 119236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1303006219 680529 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?help tick < 1303006220 256582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1303006228 894551 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tick < 1303006229 423028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1303006243 191929 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list tick < 1303006243 686088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "tick" loaded < 1303006261 579786 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tick KO < 1303006262 25302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KO: 68.01 -0.30 (-0.44%) @ 4/15/2011 4:00pm < 1303006286 294682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?help list < 1303006286 624472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :list [module|command] < 1303006286 787715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :show all commands or command for [module]. http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1303006299 695774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list tick < 1303006300 244867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "tick" loaded < 1303006303 335244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list @tick < 1303006303 708614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "@tick" loaded < 1303006357 559099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what it would take to safely write a bot that accepts picolisp < 1303006358 17992 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not on that website either < 1303006385 20736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: putting commands in lambdabot without documentation is a bannable offense on #haskell, right? RIGHT? < 1303006385 170651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's trivial to deny access to (call) < 1303006388 499514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no it's not < 1303006411 158012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as not updating that @list url < 1303006412 782025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I could kill the symbol, but if someone gets at the correct address < 1303006801 873838 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303006815 160653 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303007011 28356 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303007569 999653 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303008164 203911 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303008911 785394 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303009102 443517 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303009164 684913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do know is how to deny access to commands in TeX. It is easy, thing like, \let\input=\relax \let\openout=\relax \let\font=\relax and so on. I do not know how to do with most other programming languages, except perhaps with JavaScript, it can be overriding a lot of things you don't want. < 1303009242 183768 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-54-66.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1303009250 471152 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there is kind of sandbox programs, different one for Windows and for UNIX. < 1303009561 486733 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amuses and disturbs me how web browsers are becoming a complete application environment. < 1303009611 7394 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the recent HTML5 goodies, the main distinction between a native application and an HTML one is that the HTML one has to deal with layers of cruft. < 1303009634 259271 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is I do not use it as such. I prefer command-line program, with native. < 1303009686 345748 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303009716 766960 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303009718 909663 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For remote program, we have Telnet and SSH. < 1303009726 5713 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, seriously, with Javascript you can actually access the host filesystem with ease. < 1303009735 55353 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then start doing GL graphics. < 1303009763 784645 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to deal with a language that is a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack to do so. < 1303009801 421178 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lessee... Javascript, HTML and CSS. The Trinity of Kludge) < 1303009859 681946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is many of the problem. HTML and that stuff has become too complicated. Is, why I still use plain ASCII text file, and DVI printout file, and gopher protocol, which are not becoming too complicated. < 1303009958 651101 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a game on other computers, it is possible to make a GameBoy file or NES/Famicom file, too. < 1303010030 140462 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you think I am correct or am I wrong? < 1303010139 272497 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, I'd say you go a *bit* too far. < 1303010150 519337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too far? < 1303010155 694809 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you are definitely right that some things have gotten positively absurd. < 1303010163 341301 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: Unicode > ASCII. < 1303010241 744073 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is needed Unicode text, it can be used. I do think there is some problems in the design of Unicode, but it is workable whenever it is needed many different languages and stuff, Unicode is a way to do it, and can be used. < 1303010286 618257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there's a few problems. But Unicode is so *insanely* better than the mess that came before it. < 1303010309 62162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, you are probably correct about that. < 1303010367 215249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, when I do not need Unicode, I do not use it. The ASCII codes are also valid codes in Unicode, so it is OK, if UTF-8 is used, a ASCII file is also valid UTF-8 file. < 1303010396 769286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the only alternatives are to have a painful text format that indicates what encoding a part is in (Emacs has this), or give up (everything else does this). < 1303010706 206798 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1303010778 169144 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you only need one encoding though, there is many ways to work such things, in TeX, or in other programs, such as DOS codepages. Such thing can cause incompatibility if for portability of documents (no problem with portability of programs though), so in HTML you use Unicode. You can also use Unicode in other things and convert to a different encoding on the client, if that would help. < 1303010834 526449 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is that one encoding doesn't really suffice in a lot of contexts. < 1303010856 26091 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall note here that ASCII is insufficient for English text. :) < 1303010857 914407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does UTF-8 not suffice? < 1303010867 40781 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303010869 138606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, besides random access < 1303010871 454285 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sorry, should've specified. "One language-specific encoding" < 1303010873 670738 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when unicode doesn't suffice, neither does UTF-8 < 1303010951 69009 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is sufficient for most English text. Not all. And sometimes Unicode is not sufficient, unless you can use the private use areas for your own codes < 1303010973 360018 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303010975 663206 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Indeed, Unicode doesn't contain every single glyph. < 1303011021 669402 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII isn't even sufficient for people discussing prices in England! < 1303011027 330898 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no GBP symbol) < 1303011102 968484 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303011179 829031 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303011233 876899 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases ASCII and Unicode are not problems at all, such as in TeX or MegaZeux. In TeX, you can use the non-slanted italic font \char`\$ for the pounds currency symbol. (This is the "cmu10" font in Computers&Typesetting Volume E.) < 1303011255 289740 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303011360 18795 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303011380 418080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303011402 71259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303011465 192358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, in TeX you can do: \font\uit=cmu10 \def\pound{{\uit\char`\$}} ) < 1303011465 469282 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to hear all the background music that was available for WebTV < 1303011471 182166 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit of nostalgia < 1303011471 364385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ... < 1303011473 965510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1303011481 357198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow your ignore has been disabled < 1303011485 975784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now scarred < 1303011505 606265 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zap 'elliott) < 1303011570 936011 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303011677 208536 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303011687 668948 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you know that meth is important to Picolisp's OO system? < 1303011703 361876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to remember how to work the ignore command < 1303011713 772486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh i can't type any of the symbols i need < 1303011765 354472 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to your keyboard? < 1303011797 741415 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303012182 264857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :potable is the best word < 1303012186 778156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no one to eight keys working < 1303012218 738087 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345678!@#$%^&* please don't ignore me < 1303012246 853866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you hand me a noose and step on a chair < 1303012253 117079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then say "please don't kill me" < 1303012256 230451 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303012315 1266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does number pad works? Can you use ALT and codes on number pad, too? < 1303012364 54903 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, obviously, the reason is so that you reach the light so that it can be replaced! < 1303012372 695586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no number pad < 1303012374 942522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop < 1303012403 811249 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the keyboard is broke you had better fix it! Or else to connect a different keyboard. < 1303012413 564944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's all very well in practice, but how does it work in theory?" --Conor McBride < 1303012557 465037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1303012583 624911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a ten Mio/s internet connection. < 1303012584 628247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott do you ever drink alcohol? < 1303012588 445366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please respond if your country has such things. < 1303012600 813347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, X has fucked up again. < 1303012609 323169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303012696 249064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303012700 307687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this download teases me < 1303012703 3583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibioctets? < 1303012703 779259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts at four Mio/s < 1303012706 841473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes down to two Mio/s < 1303012709 789757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one Mio/s < 1303012716 716416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it drops to like six hundred Kio/s < 1303012718 157733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. < 1303012725 521807 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to download a movie? < 1303012733 332710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if I were? < 1303012744 159760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: re alcohol: no, why do you ask < 1303012789 839011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, down to six hundred Kio/s < 1303012798 202914 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you would need a fast connection obviously. BitTorrent is a protocol for downloading large file such as movies, can stop and start again. Or you might go to the store and buy the tape. < 1303012813 648692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have stores that actually sell VCRs? < 1303012840 242412 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes we do have, but not very commonly. < 1303012936 609424 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do? so, what decade are you connecting from? < 1303012968 245436 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The year is 2011 < 1303012974 37262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, _here_ it is < 1303012976 738176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we mean where you live < 1303012982 101756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was drinking when i was your age because it was cool and yay parties, but you aren't anything like me. nowadays i like beer and cocktails for the taste < 1303012991 98438 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The calendar is the same where I live. < 1303013009 561510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think i've been to like five parties in my entire life < 1303013016 505895 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a party < 1303013022 100286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1303013030 580817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's where everyone gets together and is stupid, communally < 1303013039 222948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION upholding stereotypes since ???? < 1303013072 940961 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A party is something like that. Not quite. Look in the dictionary for a more precise definition. < 1303013124 862379 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about caffeine? you like hacker drinks? < 1303013143 582108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define hacker drinks. that's an insanely insipid-sounding phrase. < 1303013259 40474 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like alcohol. < 1303013279 122130 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people's treatment of it I despise, but alcoholic beverages have a quite enjoyable flavor. < 1303013310 264701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't, you just think they do because they make you drunk :) < 1303013318 867756 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have yet to become drunk. < 1303013325 63096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok: they make you inebriated. < 1303013329 745707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that alcoholist < 1303013330 633185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you make a drunk-test? < 1303013331 776527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put alcohol into your blood stream. < 1303013336 5173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are actually delicious < 1303013340 52744 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to even become notably intoxicated. < 1303013350 8057 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high fives pikhq  < 1303013355 959264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you think you're that good at observing yourself? < 1303013365 137014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i find there is no credible evidence that people like alcoholic drinks because they taste good < 1303013369 192404 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, I'm just aware of the quantities I drink in a sitting along with my mass. < 1303013373 819947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, by hacker drinks i mean coffee, bawls, and mountain dew < 1303013387 121699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally, those who are meant to judge the taste of alcoholic drinks and get paid for it, do not do so < 1303013394 488547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine critics have been shown to basically be complete unintentional frauds < 1303013399 393893 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 2600 sells Club-Mate. But you might also find things in jargon file, for some things about hackers drinks. < 1303013409 877147 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a drunk-test with a video camera? < 1303013418 790535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, credible is a relative term. i find that people who don't like alcoholic beverages have never tried any that actually taste good, myself < 1303013456 290371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: let's say beer tastes nice. why is non-alcoholic beer not all that popular? < 1303013468 992186 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't taste like beer < 1303013471 59481 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sum up wine this way: there's a huge difference between a $1 bottle of wine and a $10. There's not a huge difference between a $10 and a $100 bottle of wine. < 1303013482 440048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so, beer only tastes like beer if it has alcohol in it? < 1303013494 207247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to find a non-alcoholic ale < 1303013506 146939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :those non-alcoholic beers are typically shitty lagers < 1303013520 999708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of people drink shitty lagers. < 1303013528 265162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm gonna go with "yes" although it doesn't matter the actual amount of alcohol < 1303013533 324899 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty lagers you don't drink for the taste. :P < 1303013544 539923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcoholic drinks you don't drink for the taste < 1303013545 622989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someday someone will make a non-alcoholic beer that tastes good but i'm not holding my breath < 1303013552 410886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: i am not condemning alcohol consumption in any way < 1303013569 59965 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you aware that it's only recently that low-alcoholic beers have not been popular, right? < 1303013577 598391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who drink shitty lagers drink them because they have alcohol in hem < 1303013578 618471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: low-alcohol is not non-alcoholic < 1303013581 91316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I don't drink alcoholic. < 1303013589 416090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am merely saying that the evidence I see points to alcoholic beverages being popular in large part because they are alcoholic. < 1303013605 795202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that they, yes, taste good to people, but this is their brain tricking them because _it associates them with happy feelings_. < 1303013615 377741 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-2% ABV is not going to anything at all. < 1303013617 5099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't think your brain is that good at deluding you... lol[exclamation mark] < 1303013624 588080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not anything externally noticeable < 1303013627 984494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who drink shitty lager drink them because they are alcoholic. this much i will agree with you < 1303013647 703800 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And 0.5% ABV is "non-alcoholic". < 1303013665 394273 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. can be sold to children legally in the US) < 1303013669 545603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I would also wager that such-low-alcohol-content beers taste very different from popular beers. < 1303013684 919255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less alcohol, better it has to taste to be popular. < 1303013695 705713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me clarify my statement. < 1303013698 637156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1303013706 140351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i've gotten an answer to my question < 1303013723 987445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most drinks with medium-to-high or at least high alcoholic content are drunk not because they taste good, but because they are alcoholic. This is unbeknownst to the drinkers. < 1303013727 411618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone let me know if they invent a non-alcoholic Ramos Gin Fizz < 1303013751 466985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not counting mixed drinks here, btw. < 1303013758 903057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying beer, wine. < 1303013784 914598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're basically rejecting all the delicious cocktails in the world? how is that reasonable? < 1303013816 90884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rejecting?? < 1303013823 570946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that it's perfectly plausible cocktails are drunk because they taste nice. < 1303013835 50327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt this of beers and wines for various reasons. < 1303013841 902876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But cocktails are much higher in alcohol. < 1303013848 490318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that they taste nice independent of their having alcohol. < 1303013858 758376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but they're generally mixed _to taste nice_. < 1303013859 760345 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why they are consumed in small quantities. < 1303013865 352207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i /like/ the taste of /alcohol itself/. sometimes i sniff hand sanitizer because i like the /smell/ of alcohol. i don't get drunk from sniffing hand sanitizer. how does this fit into your worldview? < 1303013883 424509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Some chemicals smell nice. Hand sanitiser definitely does. < 1303013888 438351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beer and wine don't smell like hand sanitiser. < 1303013896 26120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your statement is irrelevant. < 1303013898 238270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fucking sips shots. < 1303013906 453542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bro i drink shots from the bottleX < 1303013910 11916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X=exclamation mark < 1303013924 194055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1303013934 932595 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your argument is simply "beer and wine don't taste good. people who like them like them because they get drunk"? < 1303013954 35015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, they like them because their brain says good things to them when they drink them. < 1303013960 742953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This manifests as a perception of good taste, etc. < 1303013967 359185 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, what about hard liquor? would you say agavero doesn't taste good? < 1303013967 985105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because the brain knows they do nice things, i.e. alcohol. < 1303013970 739816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix your computer. It cannot work very good if the exclamation mark is broken, and the others are also broke! < 1303013991 123011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I haven't tasted it, so I can't possibly comment. I am going only by the evidence I have observed (and some others arguing the same or similar). < 1303014037 791036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to have to conclude that you can't believe unmixed alcoholic beverages can taste good just because you haven't had any that taste good < 1303014048 18549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected nothing less. < 1303014058 166974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to make conclusions from evidenceX < 1303014061 689586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need PERSONAL EXPERIENCEX < 1303014075 18807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you say God isn't Real if you've never Accepted Him into your heart and Felt him??? < 1303014081 671876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's just that you are ignoring some evidence. < 1303014082 830574 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is your evidence? < 1303014092 163746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: see: everything [caret] < 1303014092 589953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right about one thing: most popular beers and wines SUCK BALLS < 1303014096 32981 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the actual flavor of things. < 1303014112 620264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: _I am arguing that your perception of the flavour of those things is innately biased and flawed_. < 1303014123 717722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again: _I am not saying that drinking alcohol is bad, wrong, not pleasurable, anything._ < 1303014139 61114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that the taste of these beverages COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT FROM THEIR BEING PART OF AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE is not, in itself, good. < 1303014147 254999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, not even not good: just not the reason they are consumed. < 1303014162 316171 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does such a concept exist "taste independent of the alcohol"? < 1303014163 971629 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, you are arguing that the qualia I am experiencing is distinct from the "real" flavor. < 1303014173 789058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i counter that with: i would drink them even if they did not contain alcohol. < 1303014201 610827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1303014202 512398 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Can you try? < 1303014203 104686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes. < 1303014208 284785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Consider the same taste in a non-alcoholic beverage. < 1303014209 5511 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, I should here remind you that root beer is an actual beer. And it is very effing popular. :) < 1303014210 442010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the alcohol did not have these effects < 1303014214 152482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just consider people's _first taste_ of it. < 1303014218 758526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Root beer tastes nothing like beer :P < 1303014236 897664 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, are you saying I've drunk beer before??? < 1303014238 960029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You might now because you've made the association. I don't think you would if you had never had them before. < 1303014244 361736 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, no, it's brewed from different substances. < 1303014247 542012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ?????????????????????????????? No. < 1303014249 92645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????? < 1303014264 457071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (Unless you have really _weird_ tastes.) < 1303014270 241686 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq "?" "!") < 1303014282 873262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION liked his very first taste of beer. < 1303014285 966029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that goes without saying. but then you're argument loses all credibility if you say "if you had not acquired the taste you wouldn't like it" < 1303014329 755205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Either it was one of the (less popular because the real taste doesn't matter) beverages that actually taste nice, you have really weird tastes, or your brain is so good at deducing things that it realised it was going to get some alcohol and decided to intervene. < 1303014330 347447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of tastes require some acquiring, but it doesn't mean that the particular effects of alcohol are needed to acquire them < 1303014342 632867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am saying that the taste would be not be acquired if not for the alcohol. < 1303014353 29233 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have yet to have all-American pisswater. :P < 1303014355 862940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree < 1303014367 589495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I know. < 1303014393 702046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet within a few years, i'll like the taste of tomato < 1303014398 414490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i hate it now < 1303014401 757801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just from exposure < 1303014406 966269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olives too < 1303014414 304419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go drink some piss, you'll get acquired to it. < 1303014418 233658 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I probably do have somewhat weird tastes. < 1303014419 13851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you add some alcohol. < 1303014459 913786 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to taste your own arm? < 1303014469 878607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehhehe, from a quick google: < 1303014473 276328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can acquire any taste, with or without alcohol, if you taste it enough < 1303014474 41398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So I have two questions. < 1303014474 191919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Since alcohol is flavourless, why is it that all the most interesting-tasting drinks have alcohol in them?" < 1303014481 872528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoted without comment < 1303014486 476032 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, given that I sip beverages that most people slam down to avoid the taste of, I almost certainly have weird tastes. < 1303014495 710161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brain is not so simple that it requires the endorphin-pleasure feedback loop to accept something new < 1303014514 813837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, but it sure helps. < 1303014516 423233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, alcohol is more complex than that. < 1303014517 84847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alcohol isn't even vaguely flavorless. It's a pretty dang strong flavor, in fact. < 1303014522 399434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think intoxication is just happiness < 1303014530 984799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah yeah that's not the point < 1303014535 267715 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, alcohol doesn't cause the release of endorphins. < 1303014537 406759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they taste so interesting /because/ of the alcohol. < 1303014548 829409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, a comment < 1303014550 406072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mike, < 1303014550 556883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alcohol affects the reward centres of the brain, thereby tricking you into believing that an otherwise ordinary drink “tastes interesting”. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ndtxm" < 1303014575 851472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, how about this < 1303014610 811694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we, for the sake of argument, assume that the pleasure derived from the taste of alcohol is backed by experience with the effects of alcohol < 1303014627 210737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you like/try alcohol? < 1303014642 843136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...You think this is me justifying why I don't drink alcohol? < 1303014652 481338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is a new question < 1303014662 232694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just curious < 1303014687 156835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried alcohol because I feel no particular need to. I am pretty sure there are more interesting drugs. < 1303014704 774885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :define interesting < 1303014712 76210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: He seems to be arguing that the qualia of "good taste" is entirely distinct from the "real" taste of an alcoholic beverage. Which begets the question, how can there be a "real" taste distinct from the experienced qualia, anyways? < 1303014735 584307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Say you had some medicine that negates all of alcohol's effects on you. < 1303014741 708008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you started drinking beer for the first time, and continued. < 1303014744 903872 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try making such an experiment. < 1303014747 160721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would not taste nearly as nice as it does for you in reality. < 1303014747 424697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PRETTY MUCH but i guess i don't care anymore :) < 1303014772 575623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: re: interesting -- Alcohol makes people outwardly boring, and inwardly and outwardly rather thick. < 1303014785 97026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what drug is more interesting? < 1303014785 247200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither are too appealing to me; I don't find the relaxing aspect appealing enough in comparison. < 1303014790 98314 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're talking to a guy who has consumed straight coffee beans and enjoyed it. :P < 1303014807 126152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's not so weird. roasted coffee beans are delicious < 1303014808 655205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Not alcohol? I wasn't thinking of anything in particular, I'm just saying that as drugs go, alcohol is a pretty boring one. < 1303014830 546147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay, so which ones do you plan to try due to them being more interesting? < 1303014846 267218 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up your own drugs! See what goes wrong with it (if any)! < 1303014855 128492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no short-term or medium-term plans to try out any drugs. I have no long-term plans at all for anything. < 1303014856 442244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: BEST IDEA < 1303014862 258909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good idea. you go first and get back o us < 1303014872 524180 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile: mmm, rum. < 1303014878 228205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I write the report if I am dead? < 1303014889 281328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a number row < 1303014896 30934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you feel like you're gonna die, start writing really fast < 1303014902 79094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz < 1303014905 653234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should. < 1303014909 781619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean < 1303014912 851024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type zero to nine and press enter < 1303014920 982850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0123456789 < 1303014923 522413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1303014929 277947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do you find no drugs interesting enough to experiment with? < 1303014930 705747 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero to nine < 1303014950 500217 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, he clearly does consume caffeine. < 1303014952 933699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Nope. I merely have no short-term or medium-term plans to try out any drugs. < 1303014958 598103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yesyesyes and food is a drug too < 1303014958 863093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is an Englishman, after all. < 1303014959 317958 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a very good substitute for fixing your computer. < 1303014970 803916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: One might note that I make exceedingly few plans in general. < 1303014994 102292 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A depressant in the case of English food. < 1303015000 613736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No kidding. < 1303015006 809174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let's say someone just hands you the stuff and you haven't got anything else going on. would you do it? < 1303015017 288555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Define "the stuff". < 1303015020 725576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If meth... no. < 1303015026 114551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cocaine. Or heroin. etc. :P < 1303015030 68944 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which stuff would you? < 1303015032 644396 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there's a lot of bad, depressing food out of the US, too. < 1303015041 453142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: This is the worst game of twenty questions ever. < 1303015053 755385 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's a lot of stuff that's just likely to kill you. < 1303015059 581249 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at *you*, South) < 1303015071 419641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is the drug animal, vegetable or mineral? < 1303015075 888185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Other < 1303015093 205933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But seriously though, I don't really have a list of "drugs I will try right now", it's more of a black-box predicate. < 1303015094 278717 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am the very model of a modern major general. < 1303015102 48038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wrt the south: I once made iced tea without actually brewing the tea < 1303015104 204696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fucking delicious < 1303015113 572202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, usa-style iced tea < 1303015116 863371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What, like sun tea? < 1303015125 840752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with elliott < 1303015130 926653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet tea is delicious < 1303015131 76692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually in a fridge. < 1303015140 768925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step one fill jug with water < 1303015142 231891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step two ice < 1303015146 198997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step three MUSH TEABAGS IN < 1303015149 921481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step four leave the tea bags in < 1303015153 324890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step four fridge for like two hours < 1303015164 341257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fail. To do it "right" you let it sit in the sun for an hour and then ice it. < 1303015167 610182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :step three pour out, ice, put sugar-rotting materials in if you want < 1303015168 926558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's not sweet tea but it sounds good too < 1303015180 294145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no trust me it was delicious < 1303015181 462929 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not yet should try things with drugs at this time, I have many other things to work on and will not be able to complete it if I am dead. When I am finish and I am sure I have nothing else to work on, ever, then others can make the decision to test death drugs with me or to eat me or talk to me in a language I do not know or whatever. But should not too pain?? < 1303015186 561233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a really tea-like flavour < 1303015189 338141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high fives elliott < 1303015193 985539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the sort of bitterness you get from brewed tea < 1303015202 446188 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, so not much fail. < 1303015203 609731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make some more of that. < 1303015214 782733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You realise there are drugs that don't kill you. < 1303015224 356342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: say that again in english please < 1303015240 847185 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But still I don't want to, though. At least not now. < 1303015243 273963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sorry, only zzothree-eightglish is available < 1303015298 270032 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Okay, so you won't try meth. < 1303015341 791153 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proper way to make sweet tea is to start with simple syrup and then add tea :D < 1303015343 621920 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know it's fucking scary if it causes *anhedonia*) < 1303015372 761288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't think black boxes like being brute forced, but i've got two results: i would probably try cannabis if someone offered it. i would not try lsd if someone just gave me some and said "heyyy, take this!" < 1303015374 502889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think most people don't understand southern food < 1303015381 750412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand southern food < 1303015385 260004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not fried < 1303015389 28207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't have shitloads of sugar in it < 1303015390 634335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unacceptable < 1303015395 626680 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, southern food is easy to understand the appeal of. < 1303015401 912864 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It is fucking delicious. < 1303015406 629953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what it causes or not, I do not try at this time, please. < 1303015409 67763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's not true. collard greens and mustard greens with pepper sauce are acceptable < 1303015421 68561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: can we call that "lesser southern food"? < 1303015422 878263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i knew a guy in spain who thought all porridges should be sweet < 1303015430 788247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore he didn't understand salty grits < 1303015432 667840 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it's pretty quintessentially southern. < 1303015446 523428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i do not get savoury porridge? < 1303015451 553317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one dish called porridge in the uk < 1303015465 446186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is porridge oats, with milk, salt, and usually sugar < 1303015473 390982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :served as hot as you can make it < 1303015477 909664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is other porridge necessary < 1303015478 437450 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, so that's what the UK "porridge" is. < 1303015480 804481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty much perfect porridge < 1303015487 845165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said. most non-southerners don't get southern food ;D < 1303015497 654782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what do you USians EAT for breakfast in winter?? < 1303015500 665218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pancakes aren't THAT warming < 1303015508 192604 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1303015508 961269 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no idea what that's called in the US, except "oatmeal with milk". < 1303015520 912726 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always make my oatmeal with milk.... < 1303015527 718344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :porridge looks kinda gross first time, but trust me it's absolutely delicious < 1303015527 868476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just "oatmeal" < 1303015537 223623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oatmeal is usually finer < 1303015537 388878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: USians eat that. < 1303015538 97047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1303015540 877570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than our porridge oats < 1303015549 492510 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like someone ate it once, then threw it up < 1303015549 752375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft naw < 1303015553 10985 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1303015555 29410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IF IT'S NOT QUAKER OATS IT IS NOT REAL PORRIDGE < 1303015555 729183 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I don't think you'd be able to tell if someone did < 1303015558 246811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :steel-cut oats aren't very fine < 1303015566 841150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: choke on a dick, anti-porridge loser < 1303015569 993960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait aren't you even from the UK < 1303015571 826387 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like it < 1303015573 436010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you express such sentiment < 1303015573 800111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303015575 361977 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I am < 1303015578 938754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i suppose it is _factually_ true < 1303015585 725610 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Oatmeal" refers to just steel-cut oats in the US. < 1303015586 731060 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1303015593 699243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lies < 1303015600 451247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1303015601 924037 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolled oats are also used in oatmeal < 1303015602 74162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking window manager < 1303015604 545926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you just fail to alt tab < 1303015605 587084 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a very authentic englishman though < 1303015610 799371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, just oats. < 1303015648 408220 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quaker Oats is, indeed, the brand of choice. < 1303015661 52552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1303015662 64601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303015693 135510 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303015753 580059 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303015802 944832 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Think you could /invite elliott #esoteric < 1303015804 347143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303015829 999081 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to be having trouble copy-pasting splat. < 1303015842 796868 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... splat? < 1303015851 558226 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, me. < 1303015880 847407 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is connected. < 1303015894 213015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but he can't /join. < 1303015900 345459 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they should fix their computer before connecting! < 1303015917 545346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to invite < 1303015922 200856 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use INVITE, use KILL so that they can get a chance to fix their computer. < 1303015925 526831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its all "you're not channel operator" < 1303015931 350315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is zzo38 an op? < 1303015932 974817 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to be an op. Hence asking oerjan. < 1303015936 713531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. < 1303015947 888138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said oerjan < 1303015952 622750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he even awake < 1303015956 607069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely < 1303015969 314204 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He shuts his computer off when he goes to bed. < 1303016001 530915 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use CS ACCESS #esoteric LIST for list of who is the access list for channel operator of ChanServ-based channels. Yes, oerjan is on there, too. < 1303016058 139230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1303016097 343825 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why am I being ?d? < 1303016112 871 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: /invite elliott #esoteric < 1303016131 334616 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you :P < 1303016138 852570 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, did you get put on the op list? < 1303016142 619515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not an op. < 1303016148 834573 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Hay, I invented a F.O.S.S. program language called #Hitler, that's too bad!] [PS. This is not a true statement I just made it up to show you] < 1303016152 510272 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why can't he copy-paste #? < 1303016156 399142 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had been, but maybe that's just my mind going "He damned well should be". < 1303016159 477007 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1303016172 456563 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I ain't no op. < 1303016200 298069 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you are some op < 1303016205 757693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, elliott is screwed. He should consider getting a new whatever-is-borken. < 1303016211 196721 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -e '\043' < 1303016223 483492 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1303016223 663222 NAMES :#esoteric < 1303016223 964772 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not require typing 12345678!@#$%^&* < 1303016229 15801 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg elliott # < 1303016235 802302 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still it ought to be he fixed the compute first before trying again, please !!! < 1303016245 361622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303016247 851464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1303016254 184875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta know how this came to be < 1303016254 713122 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats on whatever you did working. < 1303016258 389518 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1303016258 413413 NAMES :#esoteric < 1303016261 554940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ [dollar]// < 1303016266 437743 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, oerjan. < 1303016282 926792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: someone said you couldn't copy/paste #? < 1303016286 845556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1303016289 770605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i can now < 1303016291 223595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ironic < 1303016294 252314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like rain on your wedding day < 1303016308 163943 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now your computer is broken please fixed it. < 1303016325 316867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh he's singing < 1303016329 233303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :finish the song please < 1303016334 650432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: at six am? < 1303016346 95784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um something something spoons knife ironic don't you think < 1303016346 948207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm done < 1303016350 700704 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It doesn't matter, fix it anyways, please. < 1303016353 183446 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303016353 333343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def nr ul (|1234567890+\!"#¤%&/()=?`)S < 1303016353 483682 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1303016353 676763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all the lyrics < 1303016354 893430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how < 1303016360 656955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is not the proper shifting < 1303016372 273607 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1303016372 477947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamation mark at gbp-sign dollar percent caret and asterisk < 1303016373 894779 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what my keyboard does < 1303016376 404805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ist he shitting < 1303016385 62529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invite everyone < 1303016390 560909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_food < 1303016391 271569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and grep < 1303016394 701242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Another organisation,/ < 1303016397 562936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot copy-paste you see < 1303016400 264751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REAL MEN CHARITIES < 1303016403 455091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=\~!@#$%^&*()_+| < 1303016407 69793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303016407 998467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day is Family Day When Real Men Cook. < 1303016423 667958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway i am about to god to sleep < 1303016424 621952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1303016426 188074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was typo < 1303016436 496726 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1303016436 646899 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1303016442 380752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw someone remind me to check the TODO file tomorrow < 1303016443 660651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1303016447 305184 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot fix it yourself, go to the store tell them to fixed for you. < 1303016450 813255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you want caret-show < 1303016454 298618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i need to sleep. < 1303016458 393243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no apple store anywhere near < 1303016464 161083 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your keyboard is weird and Norwegian. < 1303016465 210411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed computer store competent in any capacity < 1303016467 909613 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then sleep, and fix it tomorrow instead. < 1303016473 314212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is my intention. < 1303016479 614508 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you don't say. < 1303016480 918362 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1303016482 993491 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1234567890!@#$%^&*() < 1303016490 761607 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's how AMERICA intended it. < 1303016512 886906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FORGOT THE POUND SYMBOL < 1303016516 807428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN PALCE OF THE OCTOTHORPE < 1303016525 942438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN FACT, COTOTHORPE IS SOMETIME CALLED POUND SYMBOL IN AMERICA < 1303016526 470069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1303016529 546959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS NOT THE REAL POUND SYMBOL THAT IS THERE < 1303016530 806832 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately design the keyboard with " instead of @ at SHIFT+2 if you want the ASCII order following more closely. < 1303016531 87042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1303016539 371037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bad design < 1303016542 189391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the uk layout way < 1303016543 204772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is bad < 1303016551 524669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because " is out of reach and ascii is irrelevant < 1303016570 360380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1303016588 563728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is right next to enter here. < 1303016593 640435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\enter here < 1303016602 78210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303016603 630153 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ' is the lowercase. < 1303016620 959323 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the UK keyboard has tiny-enter syndrome. < 1303016656 546330 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303016713 494960 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def nr (`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+)S < 1303016713 645006 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def < 1303016720 351023 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def nr ul (`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+)S < 1303016720 501128 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1303016816 771462 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1303016839 878799 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembered his change keyboard language shortcut < 1303016840 29011 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think there is a few problem with ASCII order, but it is still the one we have to use. I did make up a new experimental order or character codes, where 'A' is immediately after '9' and the codes for ']'==('['|0x10) the same to ')' and '}' as well. But the <=> is still in the order <=> like it is in ASCII. < 1303016856 778401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i know mainly because i accidentally keep pressing it sometimes < 1303016904 258800 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one problem, ^ is in there :D < 1303016907 417949 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a good idea to you, if the codes were designed like this, instead of how it actually is? < 1303016915 104762 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We could use EBCDIC order. < 1303016924 347940 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1303016927 351616 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact _all_ our bot prefixes are in there < 1303016930 950266 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, EBCDIC order is even more problem than ASCII < 1303016954 654831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't saying it was a good idea. Just that we're not stuck with ASCII. :P < 1303016958 915881 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not all lambdabot's prefixes < 1303016975 832717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit. my alliance in emross war is now in a heated religion debate. < 1303016984 631871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck religion. always causing arguments < 1303017026 717836 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, I can understand you, but still, do you think my order would be considered a better idea? < 1303017086 117272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my idea has the other feature, like ASCII, which is one of the other good feature of ASCII, that you can do bitwise XOR one bit to switch uppercase/lowercase. < 1303017385 675749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to convert as it is < 1303017426 516072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :65=A, 97=a so...changing the 5th bit is enough < 1303017446 434584 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your idea that preserves that < 1303017448 741777 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what encoding < 1303017475 859096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode has ascii as a subset yes? < 1303017482 897292 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a new experimental encoding I made up. The letters are still in alphabetical order and it still preserves that. < 1303017502 99159 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, the ASCII codes are same as Unicode codes 0 to 127. < 1303017648 265404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what' < 1303017658 359036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s so special about your encoding? < 1303017768 491850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few things. One is that 'A' comes immediately after '9' ('9'+1=='A'). Another is the way of pairing [](){} delimiters. There is also the way of how to shorten it for smaller codes, 7-bits, 6-bits, 5-bits, etc, will work without as much complication as you would shorten codes of other encodings. < 1303017769 170095 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There's no requirement that any UTF actually map sanely, though. < 1303017773 522880 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Tapper, my notetapper generates a MIDI file that's still notationable 8-D < 1303017787 746545 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: For instance, UTF-EBCDIC. < 1303017804 689619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some things that ASCII omits are included, such as British pound money. < 1303017805 582399 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But will it blend? < 1303017812 247725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats Gregor < 1303017816 899770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have a party < 1303017826 692779 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Since it does not have physical manifestation, I'm gonna go with "no" < 1303017830 649187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of soda have you got for us this week < 1303017894 266428 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually getting decently close to Moxie. < 1303017900 841409 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't have the right bitter bite though. < 1303017934 199558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :add some hops < 1303018225 748118 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't hops also have a bit of a spiciness to it, though? < 1303018262 674713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on which ones you use < 1303018272 284347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrior hops are almost pure IBUs < 1303019216 82316 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303019484 644067 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what commands arent documented? < 1303019544 96473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands for news-ham? < 1303019558 427200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fungot? < 1303019558 878175 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's non-linear, so you are saying that: not all fsa qualify as that :) but if it's something like a multiple choice question. < 1303020936 569558 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to take a Tylenol < 1303020942 528187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1303020948 242872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a bottle of cough syrup < 1303020980 51350 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rename 'tylenol 'cough-syrup) < 1303021036 935126 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1303021323 574308 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1303021328 974867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dxm highs are hilarious < 1303021459 746950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: @tick for example? < 1303021524 211090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there were others last i tried but that may be a long time ago < 1303021550 859710 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for lambdabot < 1303021578 10512 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help run < 1303021578 572898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run . You have Haskell, 3 seconds and no IO. Go nuts! < 1303021584 119158 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tick < 1303021584 854959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1303021589 300618 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help bf < 1303021589 895687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf . Evaluate a brainf*ck expression < 1303021602 663662 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i can recall what they were < 1303021629 52648 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program converting other font formats into TFM and GF formats? < 1303021632 190206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list run < 1303021632 825477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval provides: run let undefine < 1303021636 325484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list bf < 1303021637 30593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf provides: bf < 1303021642 101345 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list tick < 1303021642 767131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "tick" loaded < 1303021857 639061 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 1 + 1 < 1303021858 830982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1303022111 736109 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > is an abbreviation for @run < 1303022164 272918 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some list that says "Select Language" and it translate by Google Translate, but there are no choices in the list!! < 1303022165 67682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :t for @type and :k for @kind. and ? is equivalent to @. iirc. < 1303022200 30716 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help > < 1303022200 400218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1303022206 619161 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help :k < 1303022206 997466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1303022210 77270 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help kind < 1303022210 606699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind . Return the kind of a type < 1303022215 440701 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help type < 1303022215 848437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type . Return the type of a value < 1303022219 649492 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help :t < 1303022220 40395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1303022234 456332 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which abbreviations is documented eithe < 1303022235 746278 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*r < 1303022433 129819 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, someone did video about testing NAT^30. < 1303022604 643464 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Dropped connection speed to about one fourth. < 1303022923 640895 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tylenol taken < 1303023014 955435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be a slow taker of tylenol < 1303023025 346478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been half an hour < 1303023060 42978 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wavering on whether or not to take it < 1303024308 292041 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1303028131 542402 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind blown http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/grpv6/til_why_zippers_have_ykk_on_them_the_ykk_stands/ < 1303028233 229304 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should visit that factory sometime < 1303028238 992900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :macon is only 2 hours away < 1303028344 607242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just checked 4 zippers and they all were YKK < 1303028380 919173 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303028428 686750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the clothing zippers i knows of are < 1303028442 894905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but luggage zippers are rarely ykk < 1303028543 427740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, i just checked two bags and they weren't < 1303029531 235026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303029706 35337 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303029707 380283 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303031209 310167 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors--and miss. < 1303032019 379890 :cheater00!~cheater@e181142039.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303032098 482479 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201175.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303032135 397497 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DAAD.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303032813 806865 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303033015 821427 :MigoMipo!~John@84.217.6.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303033061 375544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bluffball.co.uk/ < 1303033062 626132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1303033116 16537 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's a bluff < 1303033257 218882 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1303033378 525327 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1303033527 231825 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-32-110.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303033527 547537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-32-110.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303033527 702040 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303033605 317960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, you can get into the Reynholm Industries staff intranet. < 1303033855 572403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I never heard of that company, what is it? < 1303033865 463325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the IT Crowd one. < 1303033879 357981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh okay. < 1303033887 657991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so a publicity stunt then? < 1303033907 620976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1303033917 249212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1303033970 401027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More an easter egg thing. < 1303033976 345833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303033976 495890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly the intranet. < 1303034035 956933 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Did they set up a fake router connected to the internet to which they connected multiple computers or did they do something less realistic? < 1303034045 141571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by the way, Cosmos is great < 1303034047 869696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they did something less realistic. < 1303034052 134230 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303034055 894918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the Carl Sagan thing? < 1303034061 71166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, quite < 1303034069 719143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the science is of course a bit outdated in some areas < 1303034073 359414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is still great < 1303034074 791426 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1303035344 378655 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303035607 467016 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303035607 657784 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303035607 657906 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303036101 426679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god all of the IT Crowd's latest season is on YouTube. < 1303036468 80795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303036504 153317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the earlier ones are there as well. < 1303036512 611845 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303036522 613999 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1303036919 122245 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229251.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303037070 350378 :cheater00!~cheater@e181142039.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303037228 980683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: figured out the screwiness. in global.h #define TESTGAME was on < 1303037242 651374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm currently recompiling without it < 1303037528 945483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, pings work better when the person at whom they are directed is online. < 1303037584 617321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he log reads < 1303038160 250930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yay I now have a x86-64 uplink 1.31 that works properly! < 1303038172 262701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1303038177 272754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pirate a copy to me? < 1303038184 996131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't worry, I paid for it ages ago.) < 1303038219 277666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah, but did you pay for the developer cd? < 1303038228 777883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I just want the binary. < 1303038256 200544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway it is 37 MB. Probably because of debug symbols. < 1303038270 461354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this is after all C++ < 1303038285 550493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile sans debug information? < 1303038306 218728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you need the right data files. That adds another 20 MB or so < 1303038317 208214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you need the exact right version of the data files, or it won't work < 1303038324 430420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered that. < 1303038346 956076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 60MB isn't very much at all these days. < 1303038386 991329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303038407 390202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this version still has the debug mode with cheat menu in it (which worked on old release versions of uplink btw) < 1303038435 817809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it still have that slightly game-breaking bank hack, BtW? < 1303038466 628100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one where you can get a million credits or so before the main plot even starts. < 1303038694 744789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't know how that one works < 1303038737 736277 :MigoMipo!~John@84.217.6.89 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303039537 153643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you concentrate your software purchases on bank security, which, whilst by no means trivial, is still breakable with low-level hardware and software. < 1303039577 141685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hack into a bank, find an account with a balance in the hundred thousand to million range, transfer funds, cover tracks. < 1303039595 687020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You now have more money than you can conceivably spend over the course of the normal game. < 1303039631 981169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can buy the best computer, fit it out entirely, destroy it if tracked and start from scratch again *several times*. < 1303039717 967252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1303039723 800920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did they fix it later on? < 1303039763 444586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they might have hardened the bank's security or made the tools needed to crack it more expensive. < 1303039766 942561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1303040061 164834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1303040074 759283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleasepleaseplease can I have a copy? < 1303040139 25603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this one is somewhat buggy I just found. Or at least missing something 1.54 had which I found very useful < 1303040148 182102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1303040148 589141 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was to click on the world map to remove a node midway through < 1303040153 452444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't here < 1303040165 365388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely annoying when you want to save a long prepared route < 1303040172 825653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just modify it for your temporary needs < 1303040180 891402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to check if I can implement that < 1303040188 273939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean connect to a node in the middle of the path? < 1303040231 337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I mean if I have A-B-C-D-E-F and save it, as a prepared long jump route, I could in 1.54 click load, then if I wanted to access D I could click it once, to remove it from the route, then click it again to add it to the end < 1303040235 811702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that in this version < 1303040239 119872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I find very annoying < 1303040240 191410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1303040304 172752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, plus it doesn't colourise nodes. You can't select "colour this node" in your main screen list. And it doesn't add colour to the target nodes of current missions. < 1303040307 532693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1303040319 429922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know it did that. < 1303040321 117845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no "filter" on the main screen list < 1303040331 914665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 1.54 at least colour your target system green < 1303040343 574876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check if it still flashes Revelation-infected systems red. < 1303040356 254352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I haven't got that far yet. So I can't tell. < 1303040364 192672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheat! < 1303040391 342187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, mmm there is a button for it in the built in development build cheat thingy. Anyway going to add the route editing first. < 1303040408 854596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because the code is not there < 1303040418 555533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh/ < 1303040425 482462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I meant, for route editing < 1303040436 473517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not there, there is "remove last" and "add to end" < 1303040438 114731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is it < 1303040445 378912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, they use their own LList, which seems like std::list or whatever... but different < 1303040471 280032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see how painful this thing will be... < 1303040493 328603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : T GetData ( int index ); // slow unless sequential < 1303040493 479091 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : void RemoveData ( int index ); // slow < 1303040494 705870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303040520 75009 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linked list, but keeps a pointer to last accessed index. I think. < 1303040522 939732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1303040549 315270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm confused how this works at all. templates but the code in a .cpp? < 1303040556 305824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303040560 882788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "llist.cpp" < 1303040595 211564 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229251.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aquarius is a fun game < 1303040599 528616 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229251.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, aquaria that is < 1303040842 974020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what are you looking at? < 1303040918 397605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked lists that even *have* functions on indices are just Wrong < 1303040939 880350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why? < 1303041011 206807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because linked lists don't do that efficiently :) < 1303041030 395354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what *should* it have? < 1303041039 210922 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :car and cdr :P < 1303041069 102285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what if you actually want the nth element? < 1303041228 433201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1303041238 645038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: what are you looking at? <-- uplink source code < 1303041261 100504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, C++ from around 2000 < 1303041276 700196 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think you should use a data structure that does that, like an array or a dictionary... < 1303041293 669255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, you should write your code to require the "indexed access" interface - and a linked list would be a poor way to implement that interface < 1303041310 53922 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm not going to rewrite the game. I'm just fixing small things. < 1303041326 595110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'd rewrite the game the day you rewrite mosaic. < 1303041333 692651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, if a linked list is best for other reasons, but you need the nth element occasionally? < 1303041388 279210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it actually does sequential access using nth + caching last position. The interface is somewhat sucky yes, but I'm not sure C++ iterator objects is a better solution! < 1303041407 940010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, time to see if this works < 1303041436 941388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303041448 489977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange that I didn't need to edit any GUI code for this < 1303041481 924792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: meh, ok then :P it might be useful, but I wouldn't mind if that was not part of the data structure but rather a utility function for indexing things you can only iterate < 1303041638 649190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, why would you? < 1303041682 712836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, considering that some other parts of the code are rather spaghetti like, I didn't expect cleanly separated model and view layers in another part... < 1303041693 490343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1303041737 651192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha?! ^ is broken in kate suddenly < 1303041743 204204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, the dead key, does nothing < 1303041761 825557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to this is "you're using Kate? Seriously?" < 1303041763 438947 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay even stranger, after switching focus back and forth *two* times it works < 1303041779 995618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I like it for C/C++, I use emacs for some other languages, nano for config files. And so on. < 1303041792 231474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kate is way better than gedit < 1303042004 320358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit? that comparison is almost meaningless < 1303042080 883077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you know if the length of the links affects the time a trace takes? < 1303042102 679892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or if one could simply link them up to closest one to get a less messy view of the world? < 1303042115 667892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just connect them neatly, AFAIK. < 1303042121 742966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303042125 325517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always just used all the mainframes. < 1303042139 665374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traces are crazily long, and it's not much hassle to set up. < 1303042161 785408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the cheat menu has a "cancel current trace" too XD < 1303042189 941661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes there is that as well. < 1303042191 860043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, actually traces can vary a lot. Seen everything between 400 seconds and 65 seconds < 1303042203 403685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, depends on the system you hack. < 1303042212 840771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the latter was global crime db iirc < 1303042230 84498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't manage to get in. Did manage to clean up my tracks in case of passive tracing iirc < 1303042231 66820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The central computer on a mainframe gives you a minute if you're lucky, even with the aforementioned gamebreaking setup. < 1303042252 354214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it starts as soon as the password crack initiates. < 1303042264 661834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/mainframe/LAN/ < 1303042275 418494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAN hacking was always my favourite kind. < 1303042289 420409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about monitor bypass? < 1303042305 111754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I haven't got to LAN hacking yet. Hasn't been playing it long enough. How does it work? < 1303042346 356913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You connect to a LAN, and then you have a network of systems which need to be hacked through to do something nefarious on the mainframe. < 1303042355 483461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one in both the ARC and Arunmor campaigns. < 1303042376 182241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah, I have done freelance stuff so far < 1303042390 174973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, LAN missions are pretty high level. < 1303042399 143908 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the gameplay like in that game? i've understood it's mostly about watching bars go up < 1303042401 825099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, now to add the colouring of current target node < 1303042404 602971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They require you buy a whole other set of tools. < 1303042414 733971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, that would be progressquest I think < 1303042434 559409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Do you know the way Holly Wood tends to portray hacking? < 1303042440 860031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, it is a game based on that < 1303042461 414837 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hollywood < 1303042472 42232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it is, *shrug* < 1303042475 490877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you got the idea now < 1303042496 96810 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1303042514 191734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : object->Draw ( scrollX * GetLargeMapWidth(), < 1303042514 341921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : scrollY * GetLargeMapHeight(), < 1303042514 342098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : zoom ); < 1303042515 242905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1303042522 122176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find what the heck object is < 1303042524 764850 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not interested in the atmosphere or plot, i'm interested in what makes the gameplay interesting < 1303042540 623210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as always < 1303042543 336798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, Phantom_Hoover can explain. He isn't programming. I am < 1303042545 918349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a free demo. < 1303042553 981985 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but bleh < 1303042656 555423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress bars is probably a fairly good description, TbH. < 1303042676 127165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, less so than progress quest though < 1303042692 46588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. raw GL calls < 1303042694 154724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atmosphere and plot really makes itl < 1303042696 964776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once the bar gets full, do you have to quickly learn something about the computer, and then quickly write commands? < 1303042731 589685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a command line, but you don't always use it. < 1303042798 135784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not important, i'm just wondering if you have to be quick after waiting < 1303042809 932709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I haven't used it so far. What is it good for? I tried it, and it was utterly limited. not even del or rm < 1303042828 860165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and yes sometimes you have. Not always though. < 1303042837 905473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have rm, it's just limited to a small number of targets. < 1303042839 395498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try ls. < 1303042851 445515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no such command it said, it had dir istead < 1303042852 952728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use it to crash systems. < 1303042853 114366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead* < 1303042856 322701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in 1.54 < 1303042862 811289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Well, same difference. < 1303042868 880592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303042891 655399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also dir foo didn't work. You needed cd foo\ndir\ncd .. < 1303042896 608371 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't program viruses or anything like that? < 1303042918 50411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, although you do get given one. < 1303042932 531237 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you do but that's kind irrelevant < 1303042937 40701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kinda < 1303042955 319295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you know the outline for nodes you have access to an account on? < 1303042977 576724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember something along those lines. < 1303042991 377704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, as far as I can tell, it is never drawn. I read through the entire code to draw the world map, and it doesn't seem to be there < 1303042998 863125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303043007 35804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is there, I just can't find it < 1303043015 610101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : // < 1303043015 760065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : // Draw red circles over computers infected with Revelation < 1303043015 760148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : // < 1303043016 998342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I find < 1303043026 359068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, by the way, in the main draw function < 1303043031 726208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the draw objects functions < 1303043037 5256 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor in the object->draw ones < 1303043040 941322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy < 1303043048 925899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are doing OO, at least do it right < 1303043083 409118 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, there it is. But where the fuck is that called? < 1303043105 828202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh god* < 1303043130 167995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's in the sunken city of R'lyeh" < 1303043156 790232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the outline drawing function is added as a callback with a function pointer when constructing another object I think. I'm not exactly sure where *those* objects are invoked, nor what type they are... but yeah < 1303043185 805020 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interface/remoteinterface/nuclearwarscreen_interface.h: static void DrawLocation ( Button *button, bool highlighted, bool clicked ); <-- huh, I wonder what that file is < 1303043197 763434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclearwarscreen eh? < 1303043210 853884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an easter egg. < 1303043213 449640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303043218 755591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, war games? < 1303043270 518900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :EclRegisterButtonCallbacks ( name, DrawLocation, LocationClick, button_click, button_highlight ); <-- so in DrawLocation there, it draws the outline < 1303043270 781199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303043271 156202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1303043281 999785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual object is drawn elsewhere < 1303043289 591234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two mechanisms... < 1303043303 665909 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-54-66.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303043369 541325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by the way, adding another screen resolution option was trivial. I'm not sure why it works. From what I can tell the code must be inspecting the button "name" that it is assigned on construction to extract the resolution out of it. < 1303043386 44792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303043408 954452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or the button text < 1303043536 975140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : int score_peoplefucked; < 1303043537 137675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : int score_systemsfucked; < 1303043537 288498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : int score_highsecurityhacks; < 1303043542 670301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice variable names < 1303043546 729872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ^ < 1303043576 76494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume the first is related to the "discredit foo" kind of missions < 1303043606 305077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's a statistic for that. < 1303043635 964229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I got diverted to grep the source for such words < 1303043714 926957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :void CheatInterface::LotsOfMoneyClick ( Button *button ) < 1303043715 172764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1303043715 323203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef TESTGAME < 1303043715 323390 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : game->GetWorld ()->GetPlayer ()->ChangeBalance ( 10000, "You cheating motherfucker!" ); < 1303043715 323498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1303043716 800695 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1303043781 98643 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and in the cheat to give all hardware we have: SetModemType ( "Fast fucker", gatewayDef->bandwidth ); < 1303043807 983422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 10,000? < 1303043827 910817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can click it several times < 1303043832 25236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1303043907 618477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did I mention the inline asm to you? Thanfully most of it will fall back on C versions for linux, but I had to write some x86-64 asm (especially for the code that generates a back trace!) < 1303043927 723820 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-54-66.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1303043974 879961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway, there are no instances of damn, dammit or shit. A lot of "fuck", "fucking", "fucks" and so on though. < 1303044167 766007 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-61-68.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303044228 5856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I have no idea yet what this is for: bool timetochangeunderware = false; < 1303044254 387625 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303044267 183279 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unused? < 1303044271 314984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, nope < 1303044315 493608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh it seems to be set if the system is supposed to change passwords. After a hack was discovered < 1303044376 131191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it's a bit of a pun then, rather than just a nonsensically named variable < 1303044382 269744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1303044405 648582 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303044451 766927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe I should change the code so it only generates valid ips < 1303044475 985073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :923.258.1.534 breaks suspension of disbelief for me < 1303044750 326087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, at least uplink does none of that silly poinless get/set-method stuff that "proper" C++ is so (in)famous for. < 1303044776 286108 :iconmaster_!~rooms@72.18.51.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303044884 983685 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm? I don't think get/set methods are a C++ thing - rather some kind of "proper OOP/encapsulation" thing < 1303044927 734911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well okay < 1303044930 736578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do that anyway < 1303044939 32784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's still silly. < 1303044947 543133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, I have no idea yet what this is for: bool timetochangeunderware = false; < 1303044955 430536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I found out a few lines below < 1303044961 701936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, still as silly, regardless of where it comes from < 1303044961 856097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that something frightening is or has happened. < 1303045006 945347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least C# (no idea about java) has these "property" thingies, that makes the syntax the same as if you were to access a field. Still silly but less annoying when coding. < 1303045109 205459 :iconmaster_!~rooms@72.18.51.196 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1303045111 154197 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DAAD.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in java you have only getters and setters < 1303045130 853350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe, so same as C++ then? < 1303045133 253935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1303045136 801459 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DAAD.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303045151 993589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, adding the colouring of target system seems... tricky < 1303045206 935610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the IP as such is not stored in the Mission object. Rather there are 5 strings completionA to completionE, that are used differently for different types of missions < 1303045218 843406 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip is *often* but not always in completionA < 1303045433 857823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I found a way to do it < 1303045489 70965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sscanf ( button->name, "worldmap %s %d", ip, &index ); < 1303045489 557873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1303045588 752370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, so, erm, how long until you're satisfied enough that you would send a copy my way? < 1303045616 923634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, depends on how long to add the colouring. Also how to send it? Do you have anywhere I can scp it? < 1303045649 652768 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway why do you want this binary, rather than the last version? < 1303045649 917106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. Surely a file on 50MB order would be sendable through email? < 1303045662 674448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but what if they trace me!? < 1303045674 90266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I need to bounce it to send it to you < 1303045686 859549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, -_- < 1303045696 968385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a monitor bypass, you fool. < 1303045701 426733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1303045727 154523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu. bar. btw < 1303045732 672752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding colouring is tricky < 1303045735 543400 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can be done < 1303045737 940831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming you know the InterNIC trick for paths, right? < 1303045738 203219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1303045754 768124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you mean adding the shitload from it and then making a long path? < 1303045797 187517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also another thing, to avoid passive scans, shouldn't routing through the uplink test system be a good way, then after go there and easily remove the logs with no fear of legal actions < 1303045800 354741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I missing something < 1303045822 577086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :InterNIC has no traces _at all_. < 1303045828 607158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the password is constant. < 1303045843 990314 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it doesn't? Huh. So you mean hack the admin password of it? < 1303045917 969326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so like the test system but even better? < 1303045942 629153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1303045950 110878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1303046402 242061 :iconmaster_!~rooms@72.18.51.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303046525 795537 :iconmaster_!~rooms@72.18.51.196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed the new frontpage today, and I am dissapointed that there is no Matrix of Solidity quote to be found. < 1303046618 672521 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster_, check title text of the image < 1303046750 340475 :iconmaster_!~rooms@72.18.51.196 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303047192 819440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, so, any progress on Uplink? < 1303047241 256114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, some, fixing build errors atm after my change < 1303047246 400951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to C++ stupidity < 1303047255 956322 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* vs. const char* and so on < 1303047257 664221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I remembered that bank hack missions frequently ask you to probe an account with very large amounts of cash. < 1303047281 511628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :clientcommsinterface < 1303047284 23829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is that < 1303047325 633587 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303047506 863857 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, any good at C++? < 1303047513 439694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303047515 608874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1303047515 758915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1303047550 847665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if base class with virtual destructor and child class with non-virtual destructor will do the right thing. < 1303047568 130051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :my change might otherwise leak memory. < 1303047676 252790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crap < 1303047711 954194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: the holy crap < 1303047760 952617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the other source of mega-accounts is money transfer missions, since you can just nick the money from your client once you're done. < 1303047774 357045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay somewhat less holy crap < 1303047810 882597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This makes me feel very self-righteous.) < 1303048039 374172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the holy crap? < 1303048094 479283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, my change made labels on the worldmap experience uncertainty about their position. Yet I didn't modify anything related to that < 1303048112 704827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaghetti code is too kind. < 1303048120 306037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heisenberg code is more accurate. < 1303048124 700807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1303048291 116533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doh* < 1303048300 205662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot == was stupid on C strings < 1303048313 211699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't answer the nervous label though < 1303048564 237330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway, since you own uplink, why not use that copy? < 1303048584 952015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol, how do you forget that? :) < 1303048614 115701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I probably didn't read the answer if he did answer it < 1303048619 953015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a) it was Mac, b) I'm not sure how I can transfer the authorisation process; I bought it *years* ago. < 1303048636 111208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the authorisation is just referring to a key card < 1303048643 516045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like physical card < 1303048657 733184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the downloadable version is a demo. < 1303048660 249092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells you a column and a row, and you have to enter the code there < 1303048667 103835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, I have the full version here. < 1303048672 549539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that uses the key card < 1303048680 187867 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: meant the == on C strings, not sure what question you answered < 1303048685 501461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh < 1303048767 573017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and I forgot because most recent C programming I have done were stuff where comparing strings would have been bad. If you don't know how long the strings are, knowing how long strcmp takes becomes messy. And I have been doing hard realtime recently. < 1303048779 995463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and apart from that, not much C < 1303048804 506878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how, exactly, am I meant to get the full version? < 1303048823 767166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it through Ambrosia by downloading, and that was several years back. < 1303048827 757963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. torrent? < 1303048875 896990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but one thing I can give you that the binary can't is a custom screen resolution. < 1303048880 789124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, any specific you want? < 1303048922 806987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, just A Version, and you have one. < 1303048925 603460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I use a large windowed one. 1400x900 < 1303048938 546217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One which works natively, and is at a later version than any I'd torrent. < 1303048942 265812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so give me your gpg key, so I can encrypt it < 1303048950 963107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sorry, mine is old < 1303048951 949575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, becuase the development cd is old < 1303048963 240428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1303048964 840525 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there are newer from torrenting < 1303048972 912369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torrent time! < 1303049069 418745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, this is broken < 1303049255 180895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, the torrents all have no peers. < 1303049419 415978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the one I found for the developer cd on tpb works. (I got the game, but not the dev cd legally) < 1303049454 251455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what to SE and LE mean. < 1303049456 962159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1303049463 371035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, SE is seeders, LE is leachers < 1303049494 685809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, plus I torrented one to get older data files needed for the version on the dev cd. So the one called "ultimate" or whatever on that certain bay works. Still seeding it. < 1303049519 583117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux version? < 1303049520 799235 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303049556 952427 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303049567 546992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is included in there as a zip on the cue+bin image < 1303049608 859551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, bchunk is a tool to convert cue+bin to iso < 1303049634 954703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, available in ubuntu and arch repos at least < 1303049654 8630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh and for that one you need to get the 1.54 update from introversion. < 1303049714 624850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then you need some ia32-libs on ubuntu. To extract the update you need to run it as ./update.sh --help to find option to extract to a specific dir, then copy (but do not overwrite) the data file from the iso into the lib dir in the extracted area. < 1303049725 91125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to bin/x86 and make a symlink to ../../lib there < 1303049729 43673 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run ./uplink < 1303049730 311301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked for me < 1303049909 804376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 peer. < 1303049920 342873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've been running it for all of a minute. < 1303050054 918677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not peered to me < 1303050188 973970 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B14DAAD.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1303050781 883023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about __glutRoot, then crash. < 1303050832 353623 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1303051099 969054 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, haven't hit that one < 1303051112 69845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you get the 1.54 upgrade and use that binary? < 1303051138 794961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The binary resulting from the patch? < 1303051139 709333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303051739 394683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the patch is what you should and use. Just copy the data files missing in the patch from the uplink.zip on the cd < 1303051747 913109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it working now. < 1303051754 435476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1303051762 239825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no cheating for you in that version though ;) < 1303051779 706140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft. < 1303051805 529327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway my build is buggy with a lot of jumps. Sometimes the link from the gateway to the first jumps get lost! < 1303051811 204294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but it breaks save/load < 1303051821 539187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes the labels go nervous, though not often < 1303051843 185155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know why* < 1303052480 466940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have already twice ruined a new account by messing up while purchasing things. < 1303052765 797974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh < 1303052785 82335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you could use the tutorial if you don't remember < 1303052899 495745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's a waste of time. < 1303053238 764546 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1303053586 362254 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-89.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303055271 16853 :Tan!tan_16@Broadband-Dynamic-119-235-88-220.connect.com.fj JOIN :#esoteric < 1303055294 609569 :Tan!tan_16@Broadband-Dynamic-119-235-88-220.connect.com.fj PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8-) < 1303055416 937199 :Tan!tan_16@Broadband-Dynamic-119-235-88-220.connect.com.fj PART :#esoteric < 1303055665 997949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303055758 996760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:03:40: Right, the UK keyboard has tiny-enter syndrome. < 1303055760 908717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. No < 1303055761 501704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1303055786 87530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clickykeyboard.com/_ebay/ibm_55323685l-001/ibm_553236475l-001.jpg Pictured: Gigantic enter. < 1303055857 601528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:08:24: just one problem, ^ is in there :D < 1303055859 845690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1303055876 419940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do lambdabot < 1303055879 745551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ? < 1303055987 350195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:15:31: mind blown http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/grpv6/til_why_zippers_have_ykk_on_them_the_ykk_stands/ < 1303055994 241501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally I know who to blame for making zippers get stuck so much < 1303056026 629635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:28:21: Oh my god all of the IT Crowd's latest season is on YouTube. < 1303056026 948897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:34:28: heh < 1303056027 99877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:35:04: Some of the earlier ones are there as well. < 1303056030 118241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But who makes the machine that makes the machine to make zippers?" :) < 1303056032 946455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: [Four] on Demand has everything. < 1303056173 133113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41:33: T GetData ( int index ); // slow unless sequential < 1303056173 458827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:42:00: a linked list, but keeps a pointer to last accessed index. I think. < 1303056175 119300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i suspect byuu < 1303056181 11926 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303056208 472901 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ?? < 1303056216 652617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :YKK apparently also do "fenestration systems" < 1303056219 637548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long a story to explain < 1303056228 559141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so they... unthrow people out of windows? < 1303056235 418386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen the word "byuu" elsewhere before < 1303056237 467208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is it < 1303056257 862858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe they also do defenestration systems < 1303056268 467608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: author of bsnes < 1303056273 142954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also of that public_cast thing i linked you :) < 1303056277 435778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone say [caret]ul plz < 1303056283 380678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would he be involved in uplink? < 1303056291 729494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: remember when is aid long story? < 1303056295 249117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's caret? ^? < 1303056296 358110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]i said < 1303056297 948325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke < 1303056300 109551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1303056306 563533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a [carrot] < 1303056316 979531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I'm waiting for the long story. I have time. < 1303056335 641793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't have the patience. unless you keep bugging me, in which case the utility of telling you might go up far enough. < 1303056338 630852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't have told you that. < 1303056353 209809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1303056361 366862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bug < 1303056362 380394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bug < 1303056363 562574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bug < 1303056364 688003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bug < 1303056368 720934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[and so on] < 1303056376 748164 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WELL? < 1303056391 358762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok fine < 1303056401 73253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in bsnes byuu has a foreach (thing, source) macro < 1303056408 171306 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303056409 879656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where source is something indexable with source[index] < 1303056417 792411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, this episode has a "viewer discretion is adviced", none of the others have had that < 1303056419 42518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... < 1303056421 183854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says that linked lists should just support fast sequential indexing, rather than the mess of C++ iterators < 1303056430 421038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is based on one forum post < 1303056434 895754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the most obscure, boring reference ever < 1303056436 513090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's move on < 1303056449 162206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well it _does_ take quite a lot for goat porn to reach the viewer discretion level < 1303056454 182555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1303056457 83814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone fucking type [caret]ul < 1303056459 332166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no funny business < 1303056461 391296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asswipes < 1303056471 460140 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a caret, just copy-paste it damnit < 1303056519 414458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, it might mean that there are humans in this piece of goat porn! < 1303056521 413436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr olsner sucks dick < 1303056521 563633 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303056524 609041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303056525 896003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :O < 1303056530 311249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sickening < 1303056566 905662 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why goats. Why not some other non-human mammal? < 1303056575 937762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because: goats! < 1303056585 461099 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a silly question. < 1303056587 334280 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOAT < 1303056605 415348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seriously wondering why goat porn ended up as a kind of meme < 1303056634 398674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goats are sexy < 1303056636 244375 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goat porn is sheep porn for real men. < 1303056649 615610 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, bah, real men use hippos. < 1303056713 256686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:20:09: Phantom_Hoover, I haven't used it so far. What is it good for? I tried it, and it was utterly limited. not even del or rm < 1303056713 603557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1303056718 60586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: erasing logs < 1303056720 877854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it instantly < 1303056728 471316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, destroying an entire system easily if you want to :) < 1303056731 690203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(permanently) < 1303056797 122819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it lets you erase logs too? < 1303056808 361563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, yes < 1303056810 475794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In /var or somewhere < 1303056816 947527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Neat. < 1303056827 970612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently strong bad is known for enjoying goat porn < 1303056833 328475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's where it comes from < 1303056833 487483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless, since if you're deleting logs anywhere but InterNIC, you're doing it wrong, but neat. < 1303056835 451834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the log remover is a waste of money unless you're trying to be selective :D < 1303056846 914215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I used to remove the entire log directories as standard procedure. < 1303056909 624434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Cool thing about Uplink: If you get caught, then you can actually find yourself in your next game. < 1303056913 240617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In records or something, IIRC. < 1303056928 110972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fact, I believe you can get lots of money by getting caught repeatedly somehow. < 1303056935 763343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although IIRC that was fixed and the game punishes you for it. Don't recall. < 1303056973 62932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:46: at least C# (no idea about java) has these "property" thingies, that makes the syntax the same as if you were to access a field. Still silly but less annoying when coding. < 1303056980 336251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not silly, it's useful for "virtual" properties < 1303056991 816206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. say you update some field manually < 1303056996 14519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then change it to be calculated on-the-fly < 1303057195 830644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:02:18: One which works natively, and is at a later version than any I'd torrent. < 1303057198 387687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink 1 54 Linux i386 deb Fully Patched Working » games other < 1303057200 965178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, unseeded, but still < 1303057217 647986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are the Hacker Elite version. Gross. < 1303057565 55628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know how it happened either! It's like one day I was a baby and the next day I woke up and realized I was 16 and had never seen Star Wars. And that I was actually 21." < 1303058364 3227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god Launchpad. < 1303058366 47153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[Expired for gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.]]] < 1303058368 716849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. < 1303058543 714969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who is this? < 1303058551 436614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait is this APT Guy. < 1303058551 656636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the Star Wars quote? < 1303058558 507034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No, that's an automated program. < 1303058561 69628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be sad if it is not APT Guy. < 1303058572 989456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, if you don't hear anything about a bug for sixty days, it's irrelevant. < 1303058579 215862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ANYWAY I HAVE THE BEST UPLINK IDEA < 1303058585 755899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open an account in all banks. < 1303058588 359416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take out a loan. < 1303058592 184379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new development methodology: Whenever you see a bug, don't do anything about it for sixty days. < 1303058595 613944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, no bugsX < 1303058603 4158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With money, buy software required to hack bank. < 1303058608 177803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero all loans. < 1303058625 660695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I HAVE A BETTER IDEA < 1303058638 297345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hack bank. Steal SO MUCH MONEY. Use money to buy tools to avoid getting caught. < 1303058643 993576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This requires SUPERHUMAN REFLEXES < 1303058658 26554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If cats actually existed rather than being simple figments of your imagination this plan would make perfect sense. Unfortunately for you, being a cat lover is actually considered pedophilia in many parts of the world, as such you should be arrested for your heinous threat." < 1303058688 222522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: erasing logs you can do it instantly <-- nice, how? < 1303058695 811495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I forget. Erase /var or something. < 1303058706 845151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm wrong, I was never a good Uplink player. < 1303058715 945602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303058723 863311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So there are physical disc copies of one point five four? < 1303058730 593019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I can search for an untarnished ISO? < 1303058745 66826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the copyright protection like, I've forgotten entirely. < 1303058767 857708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Ultimate Collection looks okay. < 1303058775 520671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh not sure, the one I have is uplink 1.52 < 1303058788 615577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and it is a LUT < 1303058791 388134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :S'ok < 1303058792 698595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LUT? < 1303058796 547287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look Up Table < 1303058799 557487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303058802 574742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it in the description. < 1303058807 308640 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, usually called that in hardwary contexts iirc < 1303058810 905679 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUT that is < 1303058811 979348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait for this download to finish first. < 1303058825 173413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pah, Monkey Island One's copyright protection was teh bestest < 1303058826 508666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm seeding that one, I got older data files for that one < 1303058836 340867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used a little spinning wheel thing to form a pirate face out of multiple elementsX < 1303058842 159903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was AWESOME < 1303058842 681050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303058857 107963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has the one point five four patch, says the torrent description. < 1303058866 714164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should be fine with just this torrent, to get one point five four? < 1303058875 530862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the linux one on the cue/bin didn't < 1303058876 510330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You used a little spinning wheel thing to form a pirate face out of multiple elementsX < 1303058878 124672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is < 1303058879 510144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 1.0 I think < 1303058881 5074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used a PHYSICAL wheel thing to do it < 1303058903 862971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I heard infocom had rather fancy ones too? < 1303058912 153675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Copy protection? Dunno, but they had feelies. < 1303058919 133988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, remember when buying physical copies of a game would actually give you something more fun than just some digital media? < 1303058919 396154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too yes < 1303058920 593033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither. < 1303058937 120553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe the game industry will realise that soon, if they don't move entirely to digital distribution. < 1303058945 814866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I remember when buying a physical copy of a non-game software would give you a thick 200-page manual < 1303058973 97445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sure made the packaging heavier. < 1303058979 299374 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you do? < 1303058979 459263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't remember the IBM ringbinders (ah those must have been the days!) < 1303059037 139428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes. I think I have some early MS Office for mac (classic) with a 100 page manual, and I remember clarrisworks used to come on multiple floppies + a thick manual (didn't buy the last one myself) < 1303059045 547574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not sure about spelling < 1303059050 422918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :claris? clarris? < 1303059053 738821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invented offline manuals. < 1303059056 396976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN IDIOT ??? < 1303059063 394037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you must be old Vorpal < 1303059079 396997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he's younger than you bro < 1303059084 201001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just way more pathetic ;D < 1303059088 176187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1303059088 835030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1303059094 366803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he's like 9. < 1303059102 229643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i cannot make any other guesses < 1303059104 774844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i would be unable to type them < 1303059107 411480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's 9 < 1303059112 187429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or 90. < 1303059113 671358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 99 < 1303059115 316208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm very intelligent for a 9 year old, since I'm studying second year at university < 1303059117 207263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 90909099 < 1303059128 654113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. and you know what they say about 9 year olds in their second year of university? < 1303059133 873546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAGS < 1303059142 814787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm here all wee < 1303059143 303555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1303059145 898120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, "wow, that's the next einstein" < 1303059154 764612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Einstein wasn't an irritating little brat :D < 1303059159 192955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1303059185 815595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, according to what Sagan said in one Cosmos episode he was considered unruly by his teachers. < 1303059204 499597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I have one episode left to watch < 1303059220 68400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY TOO BUSY SMOKING POT TO PAY ATTENTION < 1303059256 89448 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : // ClientCommsInterface.h: interface for the ClientCommsInterface class. < 1303059257 875462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.illuminati-news.com/famous-freemasons.htm ;; ALSO APPARENTLY A FREEMASON < 1303059258 628780 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : // ClientCommsInterface.cpp: implementation of the ClientCommsInterface class. < 1303059263 134321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... but what is it? < 1303059269 172365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ should just abandon source files < 1303059273 234019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since with templates, everything has to be in headers < 1303059276 831277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone loves templates < 1303059280 52119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should just be .h files < 1303059286 428170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah but there is a way around it < 1303059289 242446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ main.h -o main < 1303059290 812510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1303059291 625000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o foo < 1303059293 447756 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, #include "implementation.cpp" < 1303059297 672098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the bottom of the header < 1303059302 101736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST OF TWO WORLDS < 1303059307 725895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar liek worst of two worlds < 1303059309 847235 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: uplink actually does this < 1303059317 618928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how in C++ you have to include the private parts of a class in the header < 1303059322 29971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they break your ABI < 1303059325 640786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if changed < 1303059332 846032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++: worse at encapsulation than C < 1303059335 127984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compare with FILE) < 1303059353 979675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least uplink doesn't do any stupid getter/setter stuff. Unless there is some need to do complex allocation or such there is no setter method. < 1303059361 278258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have yet to see any getter < 1303059367 210064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getters/setters are alright, as long as they're optional. < 1303059370 315436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. see Python's way of doing it. < 1303059382 72839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is public, but you can make a property out of a get and set function. < 1303059382 296991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh? < 1303059386 615044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303059390 768990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need to plan ahead for this kind of stuff. < 1303059402 237511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how can you make a property like that? < 1303059404 789440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just use public slots, and if you need to change one of them to do more than just plain getting and setting, you can convert it. < 1303059416 316656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: e.g. < 1303059419 853022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def get_x(self): ... < 1303059422 548844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def set_x(self, value): ... < 1303059425 718487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def del_x(self): ... < 1303059432 744149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = property(get_x, set_x, del_x, 'lol this is x') < 1303059437 705884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1303059438 283300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can do it less uglily and simplery. < 1303059440 498840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the basic idea. < 1303059447 35666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here it is. < 1303059451 254373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[at]property < 1303059452 869289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def x(self): < 1303059454 711474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I love how you use a function call for it < 1303059455 118110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...getter... < 1303059457 268958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[at]x.setter < 1303059459 794911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def x(self, value): < 1303059463 95309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1303059466 716538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[at]x.deleter < 1303059467 986314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :def x(self): < 1303059469 367303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1303059473 651626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303059476 164398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, deleter? < 1303059481 543507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "del foo.x". < 1303059484 61104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you can omit that :P < 1303059487 676778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do now again < 1303059489 823090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, you can do properties in C++. < 1303059489 974145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :del I mean < 1303059492 809366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removes. < 1303059498 981122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with macros you can in C++ at least yes < 1303059501 483704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303059502 335215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1303059502 485925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not macros. < 1303059507 322858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, templates then :P < 1303059517 112300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need templates. < 1303059523 771921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make the implementation more generic but you don't need them. < 1303059525 211986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you could do it with operator override on the type of the field < 1303059529 874157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sprunge.us/OGEU < 1303059530 689558 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1303059532 792717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's basically what I did. < 1303059534 266391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See above. < 1303059542 232911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, that's basically what I did. <-- why did you code C++? < 1303059553 26373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define self (*this) <-- scary < 1303059553 601575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1303059558 194501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I hate pointers :D < 1303059563 565326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know how people play Sudoku as a time-wasting brain exercise? < 1303059565 707726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is like that, but better. < 1303059620 322160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :'this' should've been a reference, but I guess c++ didn't have them when they introduced it < 1303059625 242410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1303059665 189515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's some more of my C++ perversions: < 1303059670 543804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/Qddc < 1303059673 244568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boost has all of those :D < 1303059680 981001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore that static_true/static_false stuff, it was another random experiment. < 1303059723 331258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1303059724 873357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that maybe thing < 1303059729 75625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is really fucking hard to write < 1303059732 698986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use pointers < 1303059737 763711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you can't do maybe < 1303059745 15419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't have a pointer to a reference < 1303059834 327629 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303059855 769280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really sucks when it takes a while for my ISP throttling to kick in < 1303059866 381608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I download like eight MiB/s < 1303059877 284401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it goes down to six-hundred KiB/s :( < 1303059925 84432 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually always around 600 kbps < 1303059954 664529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's usually me too... but last night and today, the throttling has been working badly or something < 1303059975 102421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it starts at like eight mebibytes a second, then goes down to three mebibytes a second, one mebibyte, slight pause, six hundred kibibytes < 1303059978 649682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaaame < 1303060020 939749 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mebi? < 1303060075 923273 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I see. < 1303060115 884785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedantic units :) < 1303060132 454990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was feeling really pedantic I'd be saying "octet" instead of "byte" too. < 1303060143 378150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is "maybe" there= < 1303060145 990196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1303060152 607326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Haskell's (Maybe a). < 1303060158 362441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing | Just a < 1303060172 740188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I download like eight MiB/s <-- you downloaded bandwidth? < 1303060182 150132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303060199 837401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then I downloaded some RAM: http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ < 1303060210 956933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four whole gigsX < 1303060211 123532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also you meant Mio surely? < 1303060215 475102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes < 1303060220 625695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads another four gigs for good measure < 1303060225 643647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should say... gibs. < 1303060243 404028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or use the uplink unit of gigaquads < 1303060250 730449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also the Star Trek unit :D < 1303060270 959608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that a quad is like a hundred zettabytes. < 1303060272 159111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? heh < 1303060283 144897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Then I downloaded some RAM: http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ <-- joke? fraud? < 1303060286 889857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke :P < 1303060297 739734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since I downloaded more RAM, I immediately returned the RAM I bought just the other day from my local electronics store, John's Electronics. The customer service there was great and they did not give me a hard time at all! If I ever have to buy another piece of electronics equipment I am definitely going to John's Electronics. That's John's Electronics, for all your electronic needs. < 1303060297 902820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Anthony (John)" < 1303060300 181206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--testimonials < 1303060305 226057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("I told the IT guy in work about this and he was so happy he laughed out loud! < 1303060305 489166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Robb, (Dublin, IRL)") < 1303060317 106982 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try downloading some ram. < 1303060328 441942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizearke: be careful, it's illegal < 1303060334 495111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get arrested for ram piracy < 1303060341 86735 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry. I've got, like, 9 proxies < 1303060477 694915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for virtual destructors in C++, does this work: base class with virtual destructor, child class with non-virtual destructor < 1303060488 208838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1303060488 978491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uplink has that but since the base had an empty destructor... < 1303060489 834753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask olsner :D < 1303060507 119852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, he knows C++ well? That surprises me < 1303060509 811562 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ^ < 1303060513 46932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will work but it will occasionally do the completely wrong thing < 1303060517 770802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Mono support NET four point oh? < 1303060522 430210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh? what is the wrong thing? < 1303060523 616771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET that is < 1303060538 377719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, I might not have read the question properly < 1303060551 476650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the subclass will just automatically get a virtual destructor < 1303060559 39076 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm... < 1303060601 484513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not < 1303060635 527328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, no System.Numerics < 1303060636 39966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1303060649 644328 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303060658 376411 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I accidentally close out of here? < 1303060666 237889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1303060670 242492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we almost fooled him < 1303060700 954357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: alt-z to disable accidental closing < 1303060719 998353 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now very curious what that does < 1303060720 982583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should write a Funciton interpreter that runs on something other than Microsoft desktop operating systems with a new version of Visual Studio, but the parsing will be gross. < 1303060763 67312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloggernacle < 1303060842 643484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in uplink, is there any need for Proxy_disable if you have Proxy_bypass? < 1303060851 626239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, ask Phantom_Hoover. < 1303060856 58826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ^ < 1303060869 460018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Armenia makes chess compulsory in schools" < 1303060872 284340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most awesome thing ever < 1303060888 317418 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The thing is, alt-z closes the window with a part message." < 1303060903 274394 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what client? I doubt all clients are exactly the same < 1303060906 3014 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mindboggles < 1303060932 799060 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, alt-z seems to do nothing in Silverex < 1303060941 927013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pressed it a few times < 1303060983 412359 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably is mirc < 1303061312 1264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, disable is inferior to bypass, yes. < 1303061572 252512 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303061721 846405 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1303061819 35110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. Well the dev build is buggy as hell. Some might be bitrot. It just segfaulted on me using the console to delete logs < 1303061914 875299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, several people have produced pretty popular patches with it... < 1303061930 325189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the forum has some kind of Combined Modern Systems and Bugfixes Patch that you're slowly recreating an inferior version of :P < 1303061967 388031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, likely < 1303062004 256200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or it's totally dead. < 1303062318 200162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need number row < 1303062324 930879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone caret-nr plz < 1303062334 378724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1303062337 245736 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1303062340 610069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1303062340 762739 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303062342 540637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303062652 701232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Hardlinks are copy-on-write, yeah? < 1303062659 799821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no? < 1303062667 457269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1303062672 34775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought if you modified a hardlinked file, the link broke. < 1303062680 944688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they are if you have an editor that does save as new, delete old, rename < 1303062684 171239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which a lot of editors do < 1303062687 840929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, _that_ bullshit. < 1303062694 3884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :some like emacs leave the old ones as foo~ < 1303062694 517026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1303062703 640223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too risky. < 1303062709 185240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is too risky? < 1303062712 556837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using hardlinks. < 1303062721 358812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to duplicate this fifteen gigs, but I don't want to risk accidentally trashing the originals either.) < 1303062724 278053 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they have their uses. < 1303062729 47632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for this. < 1303062733 771245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could probably use symlinks < 1303062741 133682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want COW hm < 1303062748 494912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use lvm2! It can do it! < 1303062752 266493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303062758 90176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I anticipate deleting the originals. < 1303062761 971212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be unwise with symlinks. < 1303062763 248994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, COW. < 1303062780 438890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lvm can do COW for logical volumes < 1303062784 329696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix inflexibility strikes again... < 1303062789 44897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, create a new logical volume just for this? :P < 1303062807 263967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, create a snapshot that can be edited. It will only store changed blocks. < 1303062811 805790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on either < 1303062844 526402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, another way would possibly be versioning the stuff. Easy to go back then. < 1303062861 675530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1303063122 270810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're still seeing that torrent? < 1303063140 652781 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303063232 166451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *looks around* which one? < 1303063240 125875 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062135.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303063245 859749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perhaps you meant "seeding"? < 1303063257 651596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes I'm seeding 8 different ones. < 1303063273 821468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that is Uplink. :p < 1303063297 261307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dev cd yes < 1303063299 190835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY VORPAL REMEMBER IN TWO-THOUSAND AND EIGHT WHEN YOU WOULD REFUSE TO BREAK COPYRIGHT LAW IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ;D < 1303063315 91372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I became less ais yes < 1303063325 808020 :cheater-!~cheater@g230229251.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303063334 944639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve of this new use of "ais" as an adjective. < 1303063364 30165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet in two-thousand and seventy-two, the OED will include "ais, adj. Excessive abiding to the strict letter of every law possible" or something. < 1303063379 839947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etymologists will look into it and be unable to believe that it descended from this random guy's initials. < 1303063842 544465 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1303063867 903451 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1303064214 812632 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303064245 936280 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303064246 87970 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1303064246 88122 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1303064307 591666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So how hard is it to get Uplink installed? :p < 1303064313 783083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a symlink and thirty-two bit libs? < 1303064833 956419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, old enough 32 bit libs yes. Ubuntu Lucid LTS have the required versions of some compat libs, arch linux does not. < 1303064846 239692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niiiice. < 1303064856 340005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop putting the LTS after the version name btw, it's obnoxious :P < 1303064863 772464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, LTS LTS! < 1303064870 498551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long Term Shit. < 1303064880 366713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu LTS is like, even further behind than Debian stable X-D < 1303064881 691446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Ubuntu Lucid 10.4 LTS even I think < 1303064883 146905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1303064904 514688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on, it wasn't when I installed it < 1303064939 538492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or is it 10.04? < 1303064941 965629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1303064953 611427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0four < 1303064990 159628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could easily have copied pasted that! select and middle click < 1303065008 200448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will if you buy me a new laptopX < 1303065053 112517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could just call apple tomorrow or so < 1303065075 756013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyes, but then I'd totally be without a laptop. If you buy me a new laptop, I can have TWO laptopsXXXX < 1303065085 756745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this could become a server so I don't have to move all these gigantic filesXXXXXX < 1303065092 359299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually i would have THREEEE LAPTOPS < 1303065096 189508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four if you count that piece of shit. < 1303065102 340046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five if you count the bricked UbiSurfer. < 1303065123 296451 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants Uplink < 1303065133 20205 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1303065137 474050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So get it. < 1303065148 802038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://torrentz.eu/53d72d29db59b52230972be1eecced83d5b23da5 < 1303065154 837474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-seeded with patches and key. < 1303065155 329882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, what about your other laptop < 1303065162 478958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc same model as ais has < 1303065168 492573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you were lying < 1303065175 808284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1303065178 478460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said three. < 1303065180 423953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afterwards. < 1303065182 17982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It also has a broken keyboardX I have an external keyboard plugged into it. < 1303065183 711808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yesyes, but then I'd totally be without a laptop. If you buy me a new laptop, I can have TWO laptopsXXXX < 1303065186 80092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line < 1303065188 422124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a LIE! < 1303065192 120115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually i would have THREEEE LAPTOPS < 1303065194 546847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Four if you count that piece of shit. < 1303065194 733482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Five if you count the bricked UbiSurfer. < 1303065196 146008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING READ OKAY < 1303065200 840585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too late! You already lied < 1303065217 176293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. Presence in the [octothorpe]matrixofsolidity is far too low. < 1303065220 259570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter immediately, everyone. < 1303065569 639019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, next thing: change IPs in uplink to be valid ones. 985.255.658.548 and so on *really* break suspension in disbelief. Not only is one section broadcast there, but the other values are out of range! < 1303065587 387804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's CYA. < 1303065591 465409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CYA? < 1303065594 941494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason US TV uses five-five-five numbers. < 1303065597 454821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Cover Your Ass. < 1303065605 681281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IIRC there's some "private use" area of IP. < 1303065606 586360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are lower ones too < 1303065610 309929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not one-two-seven. < 1303065613 288943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ten. < 1303065618 325464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A different range, IIRC. < 1303065622 54110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie or Ilari will know. < 1303065623 959317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those would be suitable. < 1303065638 387487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "nothing at all" rather than "private use", even. < 1303065651 797018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is a severe lack of THAT nowdays on ipv4 < 1303065670 807295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there _is_ one non-[ten]. and non-[one-two-seven]. range. < 1303065676 664836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, several reserved ones have been re-used < 1303065686 38056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 192.168.0.1? < 1303065688 319236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on? < 1303065688 836657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303065690 121462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not reserved. < 1303065692 204144 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 172 iirc < 1303065692 530914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For private use" or similar. < 1303065695 166112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, no. < 1303065698 31731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another one, I swear. < 1303065701 442019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-seven-two _might_ be it. < 1303065705 716571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303065713 81556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think 172 is private. < 1303065721 920381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well private B class or something < 1303065726 392778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would be a good choice, then. < 1303065734 867387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want TOTAL REALISM < 1303065735 624875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 192 is private C class iirc < 1303065748 141584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I actually planned to go for total realism here < 1303065757 787171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, making sure to avoid broadcasts and reserved ranges and so on < 1303065778 267511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't done LAN hacking yet, but I presume they use the same sort of IPs, or private-use ones < 1303065784 169382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but if you post your patch, don't say I didn't warn you if people go "omg I looked up the IP for InterNIC and it's actually AMAZONXXXX" < 1303065785 213854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303065796 907724 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :169.254.0.0/16 is reserved for link-local autoconfigurationary things; and 172.16.0.0/12 is that formerly-considered-B-class private range. < 1303065803 90466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't have access to the dev forum. I doubt I'll post any of these patches < 1303065819 482716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, it wouldn't be a Hollywood simulator if it didn't use invalid IPs. < 1303065832 249969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? Hm maybe they do that < 1303065839 625704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, CSI does. < 1303065841 61485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You should fix that unrealistic letter-by-letter password cracker while you're at it :D < 1303065855 583687 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303065862 993572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://i.imgur.com/prFIq.jpg CSIPv[Four] < 1303065871 754612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink's more realistic than that :D < 1303065875 291359 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also 192.0.2.0/24, 198.51.100.0/24 and 203.0.113.0/24 (TEST-NET-1/2/3) that are reserved for documentation and source code examples like that; they look pretty "realistic" (since they look like just any regular addresses) though of course it won't look realistic if all addresses are just from three different /24s. < 1303065921 461395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "reversed internet protocol process"? < 1303065927 172147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay what is that from... < 1303065930 116301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSI. < 1303065930 378954 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to murder it < 1303065940 90458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fitting for my intention < 1303065945 509786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, you should also use Visual Basic to write a GUI interface to track down the IP address. < 1303065952 675341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a good thing to add to Uplink. < 1303065961 191332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1303065967 36195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU < 1303065970 494991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More CSI. < 1303065975 463462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fifteen seconds long.) < 1303066044 390489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSI! < 1303066090 659461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I haven't done LAN hacking yet, but I presume they use the same sort of IPs, or private-use ones < 1303066092 9131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1303066111 397032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You connect to the system externally, then probe around in a graphical maze thing. < 1303066136 736030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, hacking should work exactly like it does in Uplink. It would be SO COOL < 1303066176 607366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unless you actually like having any security in your life. < 1303066201 732854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Would you rather have security or AWESOME < 1303066207 328848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and what IPs do they have? < 1303066214 486997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD IT'S MORTON'S FORK < 1303066220 123825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, there are no IPs. < 1303066233 385957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just icons of computers with lines representing connections. < 1303066236 522477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, which side did you take in the plotline? < 1303066238 677055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh maybe appletalk or whatever thing those old novel systems used < 1303066245 536174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Arunmor. < 1303066253 641942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARC is *impossible* to complete. < 1303066262 49652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARC is the destroy-the-interwebs one, right? < 1303066265 107203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1303066269 379025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, will they contact you or how does it work < 1303066273 371570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard from either yet < 1303066279 171730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Both contact you, IIRC. < 1303066282 533169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At different times. < 1303066284 44760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1303066286 693075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a virus which spreads like treacle and with Arunmor hounding you with Faith. < 1303066287 183300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you do enough. < 1303066293 767994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arunmor is simple enough. < 1303066295 591405 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Since it's SCI-FI, you could use 240.0.0.0/4 addresses too. < 1303066296 118075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be tempted to go with ARC if only for the perverse pleasure of wiping out the Internet. < 1303066307 495524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are those? < 1303066317 155461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See above re treacle. < 1303066322 414389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: MAKE IT GENERATE IPv[SIX] ADDRESSES INSTEAD < 1303066329 348999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The probability of generating one that actually exists is approximately zero. < 1303066331 380588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are real-life viruses more effective than Revelation, it seems. < 1303066332 571497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but AWESOME < 1303066336 579090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1303066344 920879 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Class E, "reserved for future use". < 1303066352 177048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wrt what oklopol said, Uplink totally needs a sequel that involves actually coding viruses. < 1303066354 824420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And such. < 1303066363 406673 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://lparchive.org/Uplink/ for a rather... different take on the ARC side. < 1303066370 810531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1303066378 477988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIZZIE KNOWS TOO MUCH < 1303066389 150433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you Finns go to school, I bet there's just one subject, and it's called "Facts". < 1303066394 73421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just learn facts. Constantly. < 1303066405 967446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it lasts for the first twenty years of your life, starting before birth (in-womb lessons). < 1303066416 623125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Grr, it uses the Hacker Elite subtitle. < 1303066426 203077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFERIOR MODIFIED THIRD-PARTY SELLER VERISON < 1303066429 376456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ASTERISK]VERSION < 1303066436 56237 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Venison. < 1303066455 216949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303066474 674842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, it'd be cool if you could add an option to scale up the text by some multiple of two. < 1303066479 864574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's quite small for today's screens. < 1303066519 948666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec, I'm trying to fix a fucked up "sshfs, and forgot that it was mounted when I suspended the other computer"-situation < 1303066526 239552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you do actually have an initial loan in Uplink. < 1303066530 105103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WE SHOULD WRITE THAT UPLINK SEQUEL < 1303066532 773966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I bother paying it off. < 1303066540 691708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303066544 245424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How did you get it working? < 1303066552 401030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, some kind of scripting thing based on Uplink programs? < 1303066558 158597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Uplink? From the torrent? < 1303066563 449422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I mean how did you get it installed? < 1303066567 826089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Re: Scripting thing: < 1303066575 148669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should be able to write programs like this. < 1303066580 637433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for computer in connections() { < 1303066590 361915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : send computer "\0\0HACK" < 1303066594 195685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: btw, it'd be cool if you could add an option to scale up the text by some multiple of two. <-- yes but my build is buggy as fuck < 1303066595 12278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : send computer self_code < 1303066595 588986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1303066598 619321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT < 1303066607 210580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is, you don't get given Revelation, you have to write it yourself if you want it. < 1303066612 776845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get the patch from Introversion; take .dats from torrent, put into patch's lib/, run uplink binary in patch's root directory. < 1303066621 944488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to crack passwords? Well, you could use the commercial tool... but it's slow as shit, you should write your own. < 1303066634 565941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Erm. Which torrent, mine just has .bin/.cue and the patches. < 1303066686 577086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, make the bin and cue into an iso with the thing Vorpal mentioned, then stick those files somewhere. < 1303066712 258651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also those patches aren't the ones you need; you want the Linux one from Introversion's site. < 1303066712 445110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bchunk? < 1303066714 994272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used bchunk before. < 1303066717 490134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1303066717 640696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't really read the logs. < 1303066719 339519 :cheater-!~cheater@e181055241.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303066720 169489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also okay. < 1303066723 305605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need both? < 1303066726 463370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just the one point five four one? < 1303066740 776954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Uplink involves typing numbers occasionally, doesn't it. < 1303066742 435760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's problematic. < 1303066753 476177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patch 1.54 for Linux. < 1303066755 848312 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do I need both? <-- both what? < 1303066758 324975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does it? < 1303066764 870171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patches. < 1303066766 786105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only for tracing log paths IIRC. < 1303066767 202571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For the degree stuff? < 1303066769 916390 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062135.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303066770 244811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First class degree, etc. < 1303066786 466515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1303066793 156271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not type numbers *at all*? < 1303066802 137415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can with copy-and-paste... < 1303066809 151032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. Archive Manager appends ;[one] to all the filenames in the Uplink ISO. Anyone know a non-retarded way to extract it? < 1303066809 741115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303066816 79283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as I said to Phantom_Hoover before, get the patch and extract it. (./update.sh --help to see how to know where to place it) Then copy the missing data files from linux/uplink.zip on the bin/cue image to the lib. dir of it < 1303066826 491092 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlink lib into bin/x86 < 1303066834 853152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :run ./uplink in there < 1303066835 4039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what Vorpal is going on about. < 1303066843 283056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it differently. < 1303066843 475517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is what I told you iirc? < 1303066845 348599 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1303066847 137727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%201/12-012.png ;; lol at that last one. < 1303066850 99030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? okay how? < 1303066927 664934 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'Brien.... erm, Bashir Must Suffer! < 1303066953 179667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that letsplay... "On a remote, abandoned oil rig in the treacherous seas between Antarctica and Cape Horn, a green light winked on, on the secret server as the connection was made.", lucky, the positions are randomised. < 1303066962 79722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :This placement made a very dramatic one < 1303066965 156099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah :D < 1303066971 868578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to, like, Scotland. < 1303066978 951989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... Germany. < 1303066988 703286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have a LAN up way north of Alaska in my game < 1303067001 758721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Sample Company iirc < 1303067002 287173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you have the iso contents and the contents of the patch archive from http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/downloads/linuxpatch1.54.tar.gz , find linux/uplink.zip in the iso, extract, take all .dats from it, move to the lib directory in the patch files. < 1303067007 338028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be cool if the server ended up right on the South Pole. < 1303067016 413640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST PLACE TO PUT A SERVER EVER < 1303067027 918567 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Once you have the iso contents and the contents of the patch archive from http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/downloads/linuxpatch1.54.tar.gz , find linux/uplink.zip in the iso, extract, take all .dats from it, move to the lib directory in the patch files. <-- that's what I said!! < 1303067032 333002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run uplink in patch directory, after chmodding it so it's executable. < 1303067040 725133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you were talking about .shs. < 1303067059 206145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the update was a self-extracting .sh for me. What!? < 1303067118 979555 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, strange... http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/otherfiles.html "download" goes to the .sh, mirror goes to .tar.gz < 1303067119 899995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1303067121 652327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG this Let's Play is reminding me how fucking awesome Uplink is. < 1303067139 22126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introversion: The coolest??? < 1303067139 713188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%203/1-001.png < 1303067142 654222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, amateur. < 1303067172 960696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, sadly in the dev version save/load is broken :( < 1303067176 712918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I routed my connection through every internal services machine on InterNIC and added some government sites and banks onto the end. < 1303067176 863394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why < 1303067178 22286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WOULD YOU CALL THE YOGSCASTERS AMATEURS < 1303067179 163841 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :should debug it < 1303067192 513787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gloriously messy. < 1303067204 679466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This version of Uplink links statically to the SDL library and to a patched version of the SDL_mixer library. < 1303067205 77707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL and SDL_mixer are used under the terms of the GNU LIBRARY GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE (see file COPYING), which requires that we provide a binary which is dynamically linked to these < 1303067205 229225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libraries." < 1303067205 687520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaa? < 1303067210 129774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I routed my connection around every system I found. And I keep adding ones I find when hacking internal services, from the link list < 1303067211 275273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS NOT WHAT THE GPL MEANS BROTHERS < 1303067218 603051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to distribute your changes to SDL_mixer. < 1303067232 894119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the static one doesn't work btw. It tries to dlopen something < 1303067233 860059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think I once routed through every single system. < 1303067239 473236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was... interesting. < 1303067248 689120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you save the route? < 1303067260 962017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did, it was on a long-ago-formatted Windows partition. < 1303067261 349939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seven of Nine collected over 30 thousand gigaquads of research about romantic relationships." - 30 TQ of goat porn, then? < 1303067267 226943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall the result being rather slow. < 1303067275 352861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why are you reading things about voyager < 1303067300 240712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on InterNIC, probably, but the ones that really add to your trace times are central mainframes, which can only be found through missions and by hacking internal services. < 1303067322 629410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah. < 1303067324 136959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I seem to recall the result being rather slow. <-- unlikely... uplink doesn't simulate latency as far as I can tell < 1303067325 776689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently voyager is the series that has the most talk about various numbers of quads < 1303067335 785696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Alright then. < 1303067348 393633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Wasn't the doctor only like a hundred gigaquads? < 1303067352 346956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, now I want to make a hacker simulator! With dwarf fortress level attention to detail and realism < 1303067358 880775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'd pull it off though < 1303067372 369643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strong AI with a human-like personality and fast amounts of information and expertise: Vastly smaller than all the available information on human relationships. < 1303067385 247122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like I said, we need Uplink Two: Virus-Writing Boogaloo. < 1303067387 406212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 50 million gigaquads, apaprently < 1303067395 430006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should just write an ~ATH interpreter. < 1303067397 662891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh. < 1303067399 626968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ATH? < 1303067403 895823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for the "Mark I", dunno which version the doctor was < 1303067410 516840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Homestuck thing. < 1303067412 392808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, iirc Mark 1 < 1303067418 550446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1303067426 212952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the BEST virus-writing languageX < 1303067438 722439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it work? < 1303067462 957998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's all based around infinite loops. < 1303067489 686967 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%201/31-031.png XD < 1303067496 389676 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link! < 1303067509 906274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/~ATH < 1303067513 854097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/d/de/Virus.gif < 1303067514 508291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/8/81/Code.gif < 1303067658 282811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%201/27-026.png < 1303067659 349166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROSEBNS < 1303067662 948809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%205/9-009.png < 1303067669 303498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now THAT is a connection route. < 1303067709 693508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So where do I unpack the uplink/ directory in the patch .tar.gz? < 1303067715 959600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably into the same directory as the existing uplink binary? < 1303067730 325691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? < 1303067736 285632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1303067739 34745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1303067744 405161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 1.54 (RELEASE) < 1303067744 937340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiled on Nov 16 2006 at 20:46:23 < 1303067745 95855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(code-C)(code-M)(code-T) < 1303067745 96056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aborted < 1303067745 423679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1303067745 585574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I told you above. And Phantom_Hoover told you for the non-.sh version < 1303067749 205792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has fucked up my resolution though < 1303067752 583903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know < 1303067756 551560 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you forgot to ln -s the lib < 1303067758 600193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I told you < 1303067769 53061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does that sort of stuff when it fails to find the data < 1303067771 725269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You told me that? < 1303067781 616682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .... yes. Maybe you didn't read < 1303067786 999418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If these are accurate, USS Voyager's computers are more advanced and have a capacity that is orders of magnitude greater than the ones just seven years earlier in TNG." < 1303067792 99558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I take it Uplink has no support of widescreen resolutions? < 1303067800 187231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can it run windowed? < 1303067804 903404 :`Fuco`!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303067821 121440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we already have orders of magnitude compared to 7 years ago... so that would make perfect sense :/ < 1303067838 70814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, windowed yes. But you can only reach options after creating an account and clicking the x in the upper left corner to return to login screen < 1303067841 772839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orders of magnitude? Not sure about that. < 1303067844 69846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go to options there. < 1303067849 361929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe in the field of supercomputers. < 1303067862 848711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So what's the symlinking again? >_> < 1303067876 958378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and you complain about me not having scrollback. ffs. < 1303067901 181723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a rather long time ago. < 1303067933 25439 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1303067938 678362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the self extracting installer version. I haven't tried .tar.gz one: < 1303067939 775185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%202/8-008.png wait wat < 1303067942 765994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, as I said to Phantom_Hoover before, get the patch and extract it. (./update.sh --help to see how to know where to place it) Then copy the missing data files from linux/uplink.zip on the bin/cue image to the lib. dir of it < 1303067943 91520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : symlink lib into bin/x86 < 1303067943 241530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : run ./uplink in there < 1303067943 920310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this guy edit the data files? < 1303067960 450974 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ATH is indeed the best thing ever. < 1303067967 508847 :`Fuco`!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 NICK :Fuco < 1303067971 2897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have an asteriskerisk? < 1303067974 659807 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This code, when executed, immediately causes the user's computer to explode, and places a curse on the user forever, along with everyone he knows, and everyone he'll ever meet. < 1303067974 871849 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprisingly, later on you would run this code in a fit of stupidity. < 1303067975 21979 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know how he does stuff like this. What does this even mean? It's nonsense. Is it even syntactically viable?? Are you allowed to color text like that??? ARGH. Maybe you should ask him about it some time." < 1303067999 484260 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303068005 245196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, from the wiki I conclude that ~ATH is related to colourforth < 1303068021 631230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can colorForth embed an animated eight-ball into code I THINK NOT < 1303068031 488488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many thousands of strips behind I am now after my archive-binging attempt fizzled off. < 1303068043 205810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of binge that lasts multiple weeks and leaves you with the mother of all hangovers. < 1303068056 789041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but look at the coloured code < 1303068148 902132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :REQUESTING ASTERISM < 1303068159 257502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind < 1303068175 54075 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303068449 648554 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303068449 813641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303068450 647184 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1303068453 996384 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got to the verification stage. < 1303068455 823527 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not tab away. < 1303068460 139050 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink resisted all efforts to quit it. < 1303068465 796489 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not log in from console as I can not type my password. < 1303068468 214255 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to hard-reboot. < 1303068548 108689 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Phantom_Hoover: halp < 1303068583 474719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling the binary with -graphics_fullscreen windows it, although too clumsily to play. < 1303068589 900492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still verify, though. < 1303068610 218112 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyclumsily? < 1303068612 976355 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why clumsily? < 1303068672 767276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't allow resizing, so on my screen at least it gets blocked at the bottom. < 1303068761 197514 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fits on mine. Hooray. < 1303068806 672673 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: varkism < 1303068807 413777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, yes that lp is moded: http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%205/21-021.png < 1303068808 4799 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Could not log in from console as I can not type my password." :D < 1303068808 267724 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.230.10 NICK :elliott < 1303068816 60822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, that gateway I have never seen < 1303068820 836629 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.230.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NickServ, I _can't_ type my password for you. < 1303068826 595938 :elliott!~elliott@91.104.230.10 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1303068844 872421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303068847 330098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone relink that LP? < 1303068859 589897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, yes that lp is moded: http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%205/21-021.png < 1303068861 820557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott_, that gateway I have never seen < 1303068865 991483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%205/ < 1303068880 790440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the code is 00 < 1303068908 115714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haha < 1303068915 414361 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lucky for you < 1303068919 722903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there is four 00s in a row < 1303068920 842553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the card < 1303068923 875435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303068934 633929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, I am Aardvark, my password is varkism, and I am close to Tokyo < 1303068940 71457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My strategy is based on doing really stupid things. < 1303068952 785370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw if you do change the IP generation, keep Uplink services' IP :D < 1303068956 882857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the .sixsixsix < 1303069045 84586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO I DON'T WANT A TUTORIAL GO FUCK YOURSELF < 1303069048 554694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really stupid things like taking on mainframe hacks with the default gateway? < 1303069051 624935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? hm < 1303069054 362741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why < 1303069055 754946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YesX < 1303069057 886164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, make sure you delete the tutorial from your memory. < 1303069060 950918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would be _sane_. < 1303069065 814048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat < 1303069073 403735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes up tonnes of space. < 1303069083 847525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE < 1303069085 646606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this *is* moded right? http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%205/21-021.png < 1303069093 162711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, how _do_ you delete things? < 1303069097 524449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or is there some way to "unlock" that in the normal version? < 1303069100 615321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's Hacker Elite, the crappy 3rd-party version. < 1303069117 930877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It also has a Something Awful server. < 1303069120 870408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's clearly slightly modded. < 1303069122 338121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I see. Because that one he has is significantly fancier than the best one I can get < 1303069125 718579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The background music of Uplink is SO COOL. < 1303069130 247965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, well. < 1303069148 425151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managing your own memory is done with the memory tab and the file copier and deleter. < 1303069155 245100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sample Company LAN in the sea north of Alaska. Weird company < 1303069162 624774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303069165 466524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and with defrag iirc < 1303069169 255475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303069171 255644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I needed that one at one point < 1303069182 618680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for UPLINK TEST MACHINE < 1303069187 164665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This calls for: SO MUCH ROUTING < 1303069194 824356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, there's a cluster of machines in Siberia on my game. < 1303069216 139098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Russians clearly tried to foster economic growth there. < 1303069226 347552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you download files again? >_>;; < 1303069230 476240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need another application? < 1303069232 475846 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I have clusters in Asia, including Siberia. Had one in AU before, not in this game < 1303069238 397824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File copier to your own memory from the file server. < 1303069239 855742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need the file copier < 1303069243 790860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. I cheated on the test machine because I knew the password. < 1303069244 116622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1303069244 711443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have that one < 1303069246 73078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default < 1303069249 913972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS YOU SHOULD RUN THAT TUTORIAL < 1303069260 886011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coooool, so they view network resources just like local resources. < 1303069268 109713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPLINK INTERFACE: BETTER THAN UNIX < 1303069311 760471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw try "help" at the console < 1303069316 674515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"delete" is the program to delete all files in current directory < 1303069323 419153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shutdown" restarts the system (will fail if you've deleted everything) < 1303069335 322971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, delete in log made uplink segfault < 1303069338 488403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the dev version < 1303069346 885238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303069350 828478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god deletion is slow I am being traced. < 1303069353 572940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETE THE SYSTEM DAMMIT. < 1303069366 756860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deletes all logs < 1303069407 592861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOO I DID IT < 1303069416 433635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D Can't connect to the test server any more. < 1303069453 247099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, re: that loans from every bank thing. < 1303069457 124908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it... actually work? < 1303069462 163331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might. < 1303069480 998315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How do you find a list of banks, anyway? < 1303069490 446044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, InterNIC? < 1303069503 463421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, there are so many of them. < 1303069509 22437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds them all. < 1303069515 960488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It doesn't even need tracing when you take out the loans, does it? < 1303069521 497286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303069523 977328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1303069527 263897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, no proxying is required. < 1303069527 414265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfectly legal. < 1303069533 406239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What, hacking into banks? < 1303069538 714071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, taking out a loan. < 1303069540 660994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this... http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%207/ makes no sense < 1303069541 135947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303069545 102904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not that far yet bro < 1303069547 100044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BROOOO < 1303069550 395413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing off all your loans is the illegal bit. < 1303069568 856309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just take out the maximum loan, right? < 1303069572 494393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't offer you much though... < 1303069583 80236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the Protovision games server gives a wargames thing that's much like Defcon. < 1303069589 610708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, that's the problem. < 1303069600 138863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bank hacks are expensive. < 1303069611 294795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beta Corp here we go. < 1303069624 488880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes but check the login-window there, windows style < 1303069628 459331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where did it come from < 1303069646 281952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's embellishment. < 1303069654 179272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a joke. < 1303069662 325114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, it is not from uplink is it? < 1303069669 143896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303069670 21155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Max loan: 0c" < 1303069674 160634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why is beta corp jerks? < 1303069692 421326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1303069701 380615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's proportional to your balance. < 1303069705 189285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's going to be like this for everything. < 1303069709 667940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ugh. < 1303069729 29557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I never have any money. < 1303069736 945652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arunmor Access TerminalX I should connect to thatX < 1303069743 995083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/Update%207/7-005.jpg <-- I'm certain that introversion made a game based on this < 1303069748 157171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it called defcon? < 1303069752 58468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1303069757 281116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is probably a screenshot. < 1303069763 968867 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303069768 718582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is definitely a screenshot. < 1303069777 953077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so not from the in-game war game interface? < 1303069778 514765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1303069833 180931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :InterNIC has InterNIC. < 1303069834 134736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO DAWG < 1303069848 852722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER search for Google on Google. You could break the internet. < 1303069903 770495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, in logs I told you that [Four] on Demand has tons of IT Crowd for free. < 1303069910 45869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better quality than YouTube too, I think. < 1303069957 402942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, incidentally, connect to the Andromeda Access Terminal. < 1303069965 303085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a prelude to the campaign. < 1303069975 743751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NEAR < 1303069976 727219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude how? < 1303069978 597386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just trigger it? < 1303069984 601342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I have _read_ this before. < 1303070006 102171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1303070010 458430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it's March two-thousand-and-ten. < 1303070013 556562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink is now officially set in the past. < 1303070053 836893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 4 on demand is not available in my area < 1303070063 770184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Phantom_Hoover is British like me :P < 1303070073 455656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and what is your area? if not the UK, that's not surprising < 1303070146 399955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner lives in Iceland < 1303070151 472998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true story < 1303070188 298499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: GOGOGO < 1303070195 768628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y463g76MFRw#t=35s < 1303070225 951905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like how connecting to a down IP is a four-oh-four. < 1303070401 880013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1303070412 924445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Uplink. < 1303070415 200786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh I haven't tried that < 1303070430 793706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Connect to the Uplink Test Machine, open the console, cd sys; delete; shutdown (one per line). < 1303070435 284952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for it to sever the connection. < 1303070440 702604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, instant four-oh-four for the rest of the game. < 1303070467 252696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dictionary hacker, password breaker, trace tracker. What else should I buy? < 1303070628 47680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, log deleter < 1303070636 781631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Unnecessary. Console can do it quicker. < 1303070650 615319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dict hacker isn't that needed afaik. password breaker can do the job < 1303070658 314728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1303070659 662039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HUD_connection_whatever < 1303070673 837630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too expensive. < 1303070676 915829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303070686 964381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A newer trace tracker would be a good idea, but I just foolishly bought an older version. < 1303070696 430197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2.0 is good < 1303070700 11835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0 I wouldn't use < 1303070713 520951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have password breaker one and trace tracker two. < 1303070717 681936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else for stupidity? < 1303070729 897915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. what rating? < 1303070731 71156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firewall things? Proxy disable? < 1303070733 506686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Beginner :P < 1303070753 785386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm not much other then. You won't be able to take fancy tasks yet < 1303070763 482888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I will. < 1303070767 892571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to use Nonsense to do so. < 1303070768 395145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1303070771 215790 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303070772 953536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh? < 1303070782 246247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh not doing missions? < 1303070782 409687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means: PROXY THROUGH EVERYTHING. DO THE STUPIDEST THING POSSIBLE AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. < 1303070787 889870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missions, sureX < 1303070793 47034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL DO THEM UNCONVENTIONALLY < 1303070810 37427 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303070817 925488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a lot of the _bypass ones need the too expensive HUD one < 1303070829 483717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303070831 91083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I'd go for faster hardware when you have the money. < 1303070839 457423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firewall_Disable is detected immediately so sounds lame. < 1303070846 761093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I plan to get all money by robbing banks. < 1303070854 103907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haven't tried that < 1303070861 367024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what you need for it < 1303070866 664751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I can afford a one hundred ghz processor. < 1303070881 588622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only? I have 8 200 GHZ Turbo ones! < 1303070886 848940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the fanciest system now. < 1303070894 914683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheating? :P < 1303070912 777124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes because I'm trying to debug things. I have a legit game too < 1303070931 670716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1303070935 235729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get zero balance. < 1303070941 326996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I'm clicking decrease loan and have negative balance. < 1303070943 161628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "whops" < 1303070944 238816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can't click increase loan again. < 1303070945 94838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303070957 673770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, now I'm in massive debt. Who cares? < 1303070957 925566 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard about such a bug < 1303070969 419300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I can increase it again. < 1303070980 467729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly zero balance. < 1303070981 979280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1303070993 666859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to use the forces of Ridiculousness to hack the Uplink bank. < 1303071001 580086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait. < 1303071011 866121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I just proxy in, make a shell account, get a ridiculous loan, and transfer it to my account? < 1303071041 481179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to bypass the level 4 or whatever proxy it has < 1303071047 746337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I could analyse it with the HUD for you < 1303071051 582947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1303071055 344610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean, proxy through a bunch of machines. < 1303071059 57406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or will it trace them? I can use more than four. < 1303071070 445781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh right. The proxy of the machine will stop editing < 1303071078 526019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop editing? Eh? < 1303071080 975364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is what proxy_disable is about < 1303071084 604050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean, take out a new loan. < 1303071087 916149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And send it over. < 1303071090 931590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my normal account. < 1303071105 224376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you will get "permission denied". Banks have good security afaik < 1303071114 186285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Proxy_Disable will work? < 1303071146 893694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, full bank security: < 1303071155 250184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if high enough version, Proxy_bypass is better. < 1303071175 432477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy and monitor on the connection; the proxy only matters if you want to cover your tracks, the monitor will prevent a trace if bypassed. < 1303071207 295461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Password, voice print and elliptic curve cypher on admin account; you'll need this to cover your tracks. < 1303071225 599804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banks have really fast log traces, so see to that immediately after disconnecting. < 1303071238 827858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not trying to hack into the admin account. < 1303071252 999849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm trying to create a shell account, take out the largest loan, then transfer the money to my normal account, and abandon that shell account. < 1303071257 312801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through proxies. < 1303071269 244644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uplink bank has proxy level 5 < 1303071273 544497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :says IP_probe < 1303071303 88976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So what are the obstacles here? < 1303071310 642714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I thought proxies were about preventing editing records? < 1303071314 199461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or is that firewalls? < 1303071344 226463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By proxy, I just mean CONNECTING VIA OTHER MACHINES < 1303071436 478959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1303071610 83740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303071653 631528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1303071663 610486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1303071671 234112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't take out bank accounts without them being yours. < 1303071702 913642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just accept a mission that involves tracking a very large transfer, then stealing it. < 1303071711 275384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you can't take out bank accounts without them being yours. < 1303071719 466367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can _transfer my loan_ willingly. < 1303071853 513117 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to what Phantom_Hoover said. He knows what he is talking about < 1303071862 937217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sorry for requesting clarification < 1303071878 710264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to make sure that PH _knows_ what I mean, and find out _why_ it won't work < 1303071884 787944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]work. < 1303071904 719875 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303071924 369684 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303071957 421492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because of "that would be a game breaker" < 1303071959 783960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1303071966 635540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I mean why it doesn't _technically_ work. < 1303071985 362636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Do banks, code-wise, just have a magic oracle function that lets them know it's me connecting? < 1303071995 465455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Phantom_Hoover < 1303072003 607724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did. You chastised me. < 1303072029 342588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no you made a statement to the effect of Phantom_Hoover being wrong. < 1303072032 467084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1303072040 693520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was trying to clarify. < 1303072100 229101 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1303072104 62184 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303072118 880111 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303072125 271205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303072143 409874 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303072144 586613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second... "Darwin Research Associates" < 1303072154 384886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the fictional company in Darwinia? < 1303072159 592489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1303072160 756058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONTINUITY < 1303072173 683452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it would fit so well with the plot too < 1303072181 197041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital life forms and so on < 1303072183 704302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must check < 1303072185 485406 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1303072195 728586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really looking forward to Subversion, even if I, like everybody on the planet, has no idea what it even is. < 1303072200 80848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303072244 435732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...dammit, the banks are *fast*. < 1303072249 250750 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1303072268 702222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Could you answer my question? < 1303072272 757452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh can't find it in darwinia, it is in the first time start up movie intro iirc < 1303072285 124384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, aren't loans proportional to your balance? < 1303072302 936743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hmm. Yes. But consider this. < 1303072312 919761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- With your main account, take out the largest loan. < 1303072318 66351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Transfer half of it to a new shell account A. < 1303072328 328690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- A takes out maximum loan. < 1303072334 858569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- A transfers half of balance to new shell account B. < 1303072336 896033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- [...] < 1303072346 270778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- All shell accounts transfer whole balance to main account. < 1303072350 813929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'd get a bit of cash from it, but not that much. < 1303072357 943142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, you can get _indefinite_ cash. < 1303072360 318334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1303072365 664991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]infinite < 1303072383 948999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the []? < 1303072394 367187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY NUMBER KEYS ARE BROKEN OKAY < 1303072477 460972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1303072560 108256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Am I wrong, wouldn't it get infinite cash? < 1303072570 356371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can take out only (balance+one) as a loan, you can get as much cash as you have time. < 1303072627 845540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be factor*balance. < 1303072668 342106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then you can get even moar cash. < 1303072679 18829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: UNLESS, as Vorpal says, you can only ever have one account on one bank, no matter how you cover your tracks. < 1303072684 603682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be STUPID, but I suppose is possible. < 1303072703 315044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't say that < 1303072703 505456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SORRY I'M GRIEVING OVER MY FAILED BANK HACK < 1303072707 246880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it's considered illegal to have money that came from defaulted loans. < 1303072716 3030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASTARDS GOT ME WHILE I HACKED THE SYSTEM < 1303072718 84161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then what? < 1303072723 709878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A PASSIVE TRACE, TOO < 1303072724 215830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: TUNNEL THROUGH MORE BANKS < 1303072751 758842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I said that to edit it, you would need advanced disabling software < 1303072768 873481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "edit". < 1303072773 252124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did I say I wanted to edit anything? < 1303072784 62829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, admin and edit records kind of stuff < 1303072785 240683 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303072785 896674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the height of my wealth, I was worth a whopping 20,000 credits. To see over three-quarters of a million in one account was a humbling experience. Some day, soon, I would be in that position too." < 1303072787 721794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT STEAL IT < 1303072794 588154 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could try your luck on the stock market < 1303072795 973636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are exactly three actions involved in the process: < 1303072798 748355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Creating an account. < 1303072800 397439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a joke) < 1303072801 372596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Taking out a loan. < 1303072803 289477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Transferring funds. < 1303072806 640978 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1303072809 965878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1303072810 200106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - With your main account, take out the largest loan. < 1303072810 398553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Transfer half of it to a new shell account A. < 1303072810 548886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - A takes out maximum loan. < 1303072810 548975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - A transfers half of balance to new shell account B. < 1303072810 549021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - [...] < 1303072812 360524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - All shell accounts transfer whole balance to main account. < 1303072814 509787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1303072821 541973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure. Might work. Might not < 1303072826 750792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, don't even transfer half of balance. < 1303072828 218054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just transfer it all. < 1303072830 587988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll go much quicker. < 1303072849 236528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how will you erase the tracks of that transaction? < 1303072858 383639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which transaction? The last one? < 1303072869 665061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the ones to your account yes < 1303072871 844974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, none are illegal. < 1303072874 567631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why do you need to? < 1303072881 213854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not illegal to have funds from someone who got arrested from defaulting on their loan. < 1303072892 852615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact, with my revised plan -- transfer ALL the money -- _you_ only receive cash from one person. < 1303072897 300368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you give it to someone else entirely, to start with. < 1303072904 421990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you erase the logs of your proxy accounts, you are untraceable. < 1303072942 747126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is not illegal to have funds from someone who got arrested from defaulting on their loan. <-- who. You would need to hack that account. < 1303072944 848536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1303072953 116675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would still be your account < 1303072954 867722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303072959 492664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :__All the accounts are created by you.__ < 1303072967 379144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't _know_ all the accounts are yours because YOU PROXY. < 1303072968 796632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so the one arrested would be you < 1303072970 360636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1303072971 874128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW?? < 1303072975 189811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY DON'T KNOW IT'S YOU < 1303072983 298806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, financial transfers are logs as well. < 1303072984 55733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, " It is not illegal to have funds from someone who got arrested from defaulting on their loan." < 1303072987 341701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*logged < 1303072990 682453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, and? < 1303072996 252444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They're logged as being done by somebody UNTRACEABLE. < 1303073008 356971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not illegal to give money to someone who defaults on their loan. It is not illegal to receive money from someone who defaults on their loan. < 1303073019 958126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything done by you is either perfectly legal (those two actions), or NOT TRACEABLE BACK TO YOU. < 1303073061 985989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they can assume you're the only one playing the game at that time - if anything gets hacked anywhere it's obviously you who did it :) < 1303073083 199372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No shit? < 1303073087 856893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Uplink isn't based around that principle, though. < 1303073093 687681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you'd get traced instantly by everyone. < 1303073101 516932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would not be much of a game. < 1303073105 508193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :D < 1303073135 701783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But they do have news reports of random hacks happening... dunno if that is reflected in the actual server contents though :) < 1303073144 603026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make it a massively multiplayer hacking game... oh wait, that'd just be The Internet < 1303073148 490815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1303073153 528934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :networked Uplink would be great fun < 1303073305 521688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How long do I gotta read this LP before the different side of ARC appears :P < 1303073332 114987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from these... machine change scenes. < 1303073350 902908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose this guy is hallucinating this entire Uplink thing or something. < 1303073757 251658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've been asked to steal files from empty servers before, so it does simulate other hackers to some degree. < 1303073768 807297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you think my bank trick would work? < 1303073784 522720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. It'll have to be determined empirically. < 1303073803 174019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should have a go at it; you're better at the game and have better tools than me. < 1303073815 222476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it _does_ work, you can get as much money as you want, limited only by your patience. < 1303073884 680203 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1303073914 371901 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how easy it is to use Kconfig outside of Linux < 1303073922 814233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303073924 300522 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to do it. < 1303073933 666158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BusyBox does it. Or do you mean, like, on Windows? < 1303073941 478991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gittup also uses it for full system configuration :) < 1303073945 249904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also buildroot. < 1303073949 523464 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hence why I say "easy", not "possible". < 1303073961 695954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's possible. I just wonder if it's fucking annoying to do so. < 1303073971 489126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, Kconfig files are pretty simple. < 1303073981 902173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the output format is, too. < 1303073993 617950 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it should integrate nicely with, say, Tup. < 1303073996 966906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mind you, I find Kconfig quite distasteful to use... < 1303074008 592890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for things like Linux or BusyBox with five thousand configuration options. < 1303074015 15693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if there's fewer, a plain text file is nicer. < 1303074047 887545 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Kconfig is mostly useful where the number of configuration options rivals the number of grains of sand in the Sahara. < 1303074050 920042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw tup has that auto-build-when-a-file-changes thing. Unfortunately it's built in to the monitor which unconditionally daemonises, but I've sent off a message to the mailing list about getting that fixed. < 1303074053 73944 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, kconfig *seems* like the option of choice only if you have a very configurable thing. < 1303074067 930931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1303074068 752021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ok, I added a '-f' option to the monitor so it will run in the < 1303074069 121829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreground. Run as 'tup monitor -f' (currently only in the master < 1303074069 272766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :branch). You can kill it with ctrl-C in the monitor terminal, or by < 1303074069 272972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :running 'tup stop' in another terminal." < 1303074072 862115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, it has exactly what you wanted :P < 1303074093 593618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dollar] tup config autoupdate [one] < 1303074097 37535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dollar] tup monitor -f < 1303074102 521272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rebuilds whenever a file changes) < 1303074107 402906 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly what I wanted was for gmake to do it < 1303074123 336659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, there's been work wrt making tup be able to trace gmake properly :) < 1303074126 453773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With variable output files. < 1303074130 705805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other build systems. < 1303074139 254579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But pah, you want to use tup anyway :P < 1303074141 807660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arrows go upwardsXXXXX < 1303074151 186017 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Tup > Make, it seems. < 1303074159 20976 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma wait 'til your silly obsessions end to determine how good it actually is. < 1303074167 869161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually I've known about tup for months. < 1303074173 600800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's just that pikhq went all advocatin' redo :P < 1303074183 16546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I looked into redo at the same time as tup, and tup is incomprehensibly better than both redo and make. < 1303074223 535552 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Don't mind the "the arrows go upwards" bit, what's relevant is that it does its dependency checking by first looking for what files have changed and then checking what files need to be remade because of that. < 1303074238 949415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That IS the "arrows go upwards" bit :P < 1303074245 766768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sure Gregor is capable of reading the site and the paper. < 1303074258 118852 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but without elaborating it just sounds like "I CHANGED THE ARROWS. LAWL. EVERYTHING BETTER" < 1303074265 46485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS PRECISELY THE CASE. < 1303074354 551851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, Tup's Tupvars thing's file format is IIRC deliberately designed to be directly compatible with Kconfig. < 1303074362 345946 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yuh, I know. < 1303074363 194291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., Tup can literally use Kconfig output directly. < 1303074365 82859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303074383 476776 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how he got away with making busybox use Tup with ease. :P < 1303074399 959928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What would be nice is something like configure that just outputted some tupvars. And didn't start witht he assumption that the C compiler and the libc were logically inconsistent and broken at a fundamentaly level :) < 1303074404 690479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]with the < 1303074422 217352 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, a very carefully designed autoconf setup. < 1303074445 582984 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe it or not, you *can* make autoconf start with the assumption that the compiler and libc are sane. < 1303074448 342410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or preferably something that isn't autoconf entirely. < 1303074465 782028 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, I'm just saying autoconf *can* do something not retarded. :P < 1303074474 417267 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Aside from be in M4SH, of course. < 1303074498 696831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION look sat M4SH OH DEAR GOD this explains everything < 1303074504 967571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[asterisk]looks at < 1303074531 80561 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HahaGET A NEW KEYBOARD < 1303074538 392465 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{TROLLFACE}} < 1303074543 15595 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you didn't know? The entire GNU build system is written in M4SHM4Make. < 1303074549 134232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LAPTOP BRO < 1303074557 730035 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HahaGET A NEW LAPTOP < 1303074564 835768 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the two layers of M4 are entirely intentional. < 1303074577 902477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THIS ONE'S KINDA EXPENSIVE BRO < 1303074590 30790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HahaGET A WARRANTY < 1303074591 397325 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is genuinely astounding that anyone manages to make that work. < 1303074592 36298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also: something must be built on tup and called either "perware" or "erware". < 1303074593 623562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUPPERWARE < 1303074595 734934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I HAS ONE BRO < 1303074612 550357 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HahaGET A FIXED LAPTOP < 1303074621 690700 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Inquiry: would you consider bsnes something deserving of Kconfigisation? < 1303074637 72867 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, contrary to the appearance, it has rather a lot of configuration. < 1303074641 479077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SUNDAY BRO < 1303074646 479731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does it even have any settings apart from the profile...? < 1303074648 335184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, the UI. < 1303074648 848247 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just buried. < 1303074650 859245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, tons. < 1303074658 418891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, how many? < 1303074660 342283 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Inquiry: Do you find prefacing questions with "Inquiry:" to be pointless pretension? < 1303074668 743083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Inquiry: Bro? < 1303074673 861840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it's like twenty, a plain file format is preferable. < 1303074681 496982 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually select which version of chips are used individually... < 1303074690 13599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The profiles are just preset choices of that. < 1303074705 63649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can certainly Kconfig-ise it, but I think only a madman would actually want to configure that deeply :P < 1303074716 515843 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also enable/disable each driver that's in the UI. < 1303074769 554712 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, it's pretty useful to do so. If you use the compatibility PPU and performance everything else, you get a faster-than-compatibility bsnes with fewer graphics bugs. < 1303074782 409817 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, there's also the multiple possible phoenix backends. < 1303074790 412294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe that should be a profile in itself. < 1303074839 669819 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a few more configuration options that probably *would* be in there if there was a better configuration setup... < 1303074844 919906 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org NICK :Yahweasel < 1303074850 631966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1303074864 40384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you converting bsnes to tup, perchance? :P < 1303074865 269924 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offending everyone: It's how I roll. < 1303074876 38215 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gambatte vs. bgameboy, HLE vs. LLE for the DSPs, etc. < 1303074880 563731 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Considering it. < 1303074887 914046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Nigger_Bitch_Ass :Erroneous Nickname < 1303074902 935388 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offending some people: It's how I roll. < 1303074906 792468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303074927 8048 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did your scam in uplink work out? < 1303074928 941633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: If I was black, and female, that nickname would be utterly unobjectionable. < 1303074944 81378 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and if you're crazy, you may wish to select libco implementations. < 1303074944 566649 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also a donkey. < 1303074945 653363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've delegated the running of it to Phantom_Hoover, who plays the game slightly more sanely than I and so has the necessary equipment and experience to actually pull it off. < 1303074949 942445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Yes. < 1303074962 499812 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1303074973 795382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you try it? < 1303074983 340951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH is not my slave :P < 1303074986 926467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an involved operation. < 1303074991 511277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take hours to get an appreciable sum. < 1303074994 847323 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed, that is why I didn't say "is it done yet" < 1303075000 854753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303075006 666191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically you can do it almost as slowly as you want. < 1303075016 46784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as your latest account doesn't default on its lone, you can breathe. < 1303075018 70549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loan < 1303075038 663417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who do they think are connected to your other accounts then? < 1303075055 780057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those accounts will be in massive debt with zero balance. < 1303075067 701665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they won't be used again. < 1303075072 828145 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lessee. One using UNIX signals, one using ucontext, one directly munging the stack on x86 UNIX. One using Win32 fibers and one directly munging the stack on Win32) < 1303075128 728814 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, none using pthreads to simulate it? < 1303075146 907873 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Someone wrote it, but it's the most painful thing. < 1303075156 811324 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1303075171 11914 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bsnes syncs between threads often enough that *ucontext* has obnoxious overhead. < 1303075181 301416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was going to hack Uplink itself." < 1303075182 482529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so... what does it use? < 1303075183 138230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST LET'S PLAY EVER < 1303075186 689672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stack munging. < 1303075193 416278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303075206 335419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so bsnes won't work on non-x86? < 1303075213 725247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (lessee. One using UNIX signals, one using ucontext, one directly munging the stack on x86 UNIX. One using Win32 fibers and one directly munging the stack on Win32) < 1303075217 354580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UNIX signals" "ucontext" < 1303075221 876229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it will, just slower. < 1303075235 980078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303075249 66779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the library in question. < 1303075249 414229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bingo. The personal information of every Uplink agent in the company. The level-7 fractal encryption on each of the large data files looked menacing, but chaos theory teaches us that fractals look exactly the same when magnified. I burned through the encryption and downloaded the lot." < 1303075250 805356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::wat: < 1303075257 29572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at that fractal encryption) < 1303075258 111439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Eh? < 1303075258 635234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so x86-64 builds are slower? < 1303075267 788329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xeightsix stack = xeightsix-sixtyfour stack < 1303075274 918808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not exactly < 1303075278 871214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. < 1303075297 648243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about the red zone, only x86-64 has it < 1303075316 231990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah yeah. < 1303075318 712932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a memcpy it's all the same. < 1303075340 744975 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It stack munging on x86, x86-64, and ppc presently. < 1303075345 2503 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/It/It does/ < 1303075350 946082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, surely it would be more efficiently to change the stack pointer register instead? < 1303075357 403721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? < 1303075364 645007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why memcpy < 1303075368 547602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303075372 527168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To copy the stack. < 1303075394 257995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why, why not just switch stack by changing %rsp? < 1303075398 5949 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why not just have multiple stacks in memory, and switch the stack pointer? :) < 1303075408 407068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, exactly < 1303075409 985151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure. < 1303075416 237428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work for continuations, though. < 1303075418 632929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those you need memcpy. < 1303075423 692930 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chaos theory teaches us that fractals look exactly the same when magnified" <-- apparently this is chaos theory now. < 1303075432 756963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no experience with coroutine implementation, only continuations. < 1303075438 9974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe. But the overhead of memcpy would be silly < 1303075439 327652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: It's a joke, it's from an Uplink Let's Play :P < 1303075443 873528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, for continuations? < 1303075446 345178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, the stack is TINY. < 1303075453 384520 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but libco is just doing coroutines, not full continuations. < 1303075453 534502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcpy will take approximately zero instants. < 1303075456 935664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no for coroutines... < 1303075459 901070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1303075464 377069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as I said, my experience is in continuations. < 1303075467 438803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303075661 310503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol [at] Revelation is only four gigaquads < 1303075809 822330 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Revelation.exe on an Uplink fansite once. I daren't touch it < 1303075819 696723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1303075831 205423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, someone made an actual virus and then released it to only uplink fanboys < 1303075834 738735 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303075837 962227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an effective method of distribution < 1303075863 390267 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303075877 608198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last thing I saw before slipping off into dreams was a ridge with a large stone monument in the shape of an elephant skull, the plaque nearby reading "Ever am I at war with the living; I have come to terms with the dead."" < 1303075883 725252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That actually in Scotland? :P < 1303075936 974078 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to construct a quantum pre-computer. < 1303075941 782772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define pre-computer. < 1303075949 182244 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to. < 1303075955 620497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1303075996 793582 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you calculate a function by first doing a bunch of computation in order to create quantum state, and then you're given the inputs to a function, and the quantum state you've already created allows you to compute the function faster than you normally would be able to. < 1303076187 206876 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone had a faster computer than you, they could create these quantum states and send them to you over the quantum Internet, and boom. You'd be able to use that stored-up computing power for a while. < 1303076218 652526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see :P < 1303076225 788150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds cool, dunno about feasibility though. < 1303076291 60142 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I wonder how it might work, it it might work. :P < 1303076297 945697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It it it it might work. < 1303076441 21856 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose such a computer could consist of some input qubits, some output qubits, and a bunch of intermediate qubits, and a whole lot of entanglement. < 1303076467 113243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm gonna guess that that Darwin Research Associates email from the LP is fake or modded. < 1303076472 852423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit too overshadowing :P < 1303076515 90742 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, but there's that one theorem stating that you can't transmit information just by observing your qubits. < 1303076556 492059 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine Alice has all the input qubits and Bob has all the output qubits. Nothing Alice does can give Bob useful information. Therefore, nothing you do to the input qubits, alone, can put useful information into the output qubits. < 1303076678 616688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no clue < 1303076806 544688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh wow, monitor -f with autoupdate works perfectly. < 1303076851 754329 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-89.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303076903 238004 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :) < 1303077069 480870 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So. Should I try to Tupify bsnes? < 1303077075 972666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to you :P < 1303077081 725161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt byuu will accept it into mainline. < 1303077117 779428 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he wrote Tup. :P < 1303077260 518092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you must simply convince him to rewrite tup. < 1303077264 966508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because what it needs is more C++. < 1303077275 262943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303077691 567025 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029163.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303077753 149490 :cheater-!~cheater@e181055241.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303078035 624646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Damnit damnit damnit Faith, get OUT of my head! This scenario isn't even plausable" < 1303079096 942866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I successfully completed Operation Bank Hack. < 1303079108 345480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You mean what I suggested? < 1303079109 850208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something else? < 1303079138 7446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean finding an account with 1e5-1e5 credits in it and stealing it. < 1303079145 143923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-1e6 < 1303079148 600221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1303079153 293295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you gonna try my suggestion? < 1303079157 687117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1303079161 368458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have slightly over a million credits sitting in my Uplink account. < 1303079172 174238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ooh... What's the maximum loan you can take out? < 1303079183 534789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If large, you could do my idea with ASTOUNDING efficiency. < 1303079225 707669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000cr. < 1303079232 394210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Whaa... < 1303079239 378774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I bet other banks give you better rates. < 1303079239 528804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be capped. < 1303079247 489122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transfer all your money to another one, and check there. :P < 1303079262 121705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Let's put it this way: If my plan won't work, you'll know it from the very start. So it's risk-free.) < 1303079267 707024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. you won't be able to create another account.) < 1303079268 498142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I was in a hurry to get it out of the original account since it was the one I set up on the hacked server. < 1303079277 980566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth a try. < 1303079321 378791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, transferring money in Uplink is too painful. < 1303079327 126725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: X_X < 1303079330 732148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gimme your save file and let me try :P < 1303079333 999931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1303079335 658459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type numbers. < 1303079339 954431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Blaaar, you have to :| < 1303079348 634462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to *manually* type in the IP of the bank, the account name and the amount. < 1303079362 388985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can't you paste in using windowed mode? < 1303079373 938940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1303079392 55925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it, I want to go to the Uplink Internal Services server and buy stuff! < 1303079405 236385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay okay okay, but what if you just tried it with, say, two shell accounts? < 1303079408 336447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a proof of concept and easy. < 1303079450 524839 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029163.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aquaria is a fun game < 1303079616 292137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still requires manual typing of IP. < 1303079627 191339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...So? < 1303079632 596086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It'd literally require it only four times. < 1303079645 21916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a few seconds to type out an IP. < 1303079670 739103 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this Uplink stuff that apparently can be hacked to yield some type of currency? < 1303079679 28794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a game. < 1303079699 44283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Hollywood hacking simulator. Indie game, two-thousand and one. Very good. < 1303079715 812346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very deep world. Surprisingly realistic in parts -- well, as realistic as Hollywood hacking gets. < 1303079737 295340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introversion software, same people as Darwinia and DEFCON. < 1303079745 147752 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, neat. < 1303079792 873040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to convince Phantom_Hoover to execute my tedious-but-profitable bank scheme idea. :p < 1303079938 628441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : It might be capped. <-- hm < 1303079945 373547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : int maxcredit = thisint->account->loan + game->GetWorld ()->GetPlayer ()->rating.creditrating * 100; < 1303079947 129412 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303079958 65492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find creditrating < 1303079969 38358 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ool, I forgot about this thing. < 1303079972 300390 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cool < 1303079984 344310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, ? < 1303080004 534632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* < 1303080006 142488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Rating class object < 1303080006 292965 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : TJ is going to cane Sega Rally! Merry Xmas! < 1303080007 66501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1303080053 356352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The in-game IRC client, presumably. < 1303080061 472880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: You know, I'm not sure the assumption that ARC are inherently anti-Internet is correct. < 1303080076 722943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their mission statement expresses dismay at the demise of anonymity on the Internet and of its corporate takeover. < 1303080082 143187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1303080091 176453 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't it limited to a specific IRC server? < 1303080094 822579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, ARC seem to be more closely-aligned to sanity than us. < 1303080096 821646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't believe so. < 1303080100 474355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1303080106 78748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, ARC seem to be more closely-aligned to sanity than Arunmor. < 1303080121 192721 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I thought that too. < 1303080138 278575 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But their campaign is a bitch and the game ends if you manage to complete it, so... < 1303080144 310420 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303080169 154293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Right. < 1303080171 897295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We all agree that technology has gone too far, but cannot agree how to go about changing the march of science to reflect this." -- the LP < 1303080186 372945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realise it deviates from the story somewhat, but still /shrug < 1303080211 214294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, from what I can tell multiple things affect your credit rating. 1) Current balance 2) Your uplink agent rating caps it to some degree 3) changing the loan seems to somehow affect it. < 1303080241 522910 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lthough come to think of it I'm nowhere near the start of the campaign (I haven't even had a single monthly payment yet). < 1303080249 589265 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I watch an Uplink LP, or actually play? < 1303080254 528400 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd prefer to watch < 1303080255 686603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Don't watch, readX < 1303080261 634790 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could trigger it early and help ARC restore free dome. < 1303080262 62119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Uplink/ < 1303080269 960256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Yogscast of UplinkX < 1303080278 628519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, what, really? < 1303080282 887892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: _Please_ try out my bank trick first. < 1303080288 410184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only FOUR typings of an IP address. < 1303080292 499672 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits elliott with a bang < 1303080297 303350 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES ALL RIGHT FINE < 1303080327 712065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: But... do it on another bank. < 1303080333 591096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Uplink bank loan limit is crappy. < 1303080356 354114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: BTW, obviously you'll want to proxy up for all the shell account business. BUT < 1303080357 40795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, elliott, note that uplink bank is unhackable. maybe < 1303080358 357289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: What is in the Uplink Bank/Government Mainframe? < 1303080358 619833 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: They are un-hackable. But even if somehow you did manage to get in, the Government Mainframe is empty, and the Uplink bank has but one account - yours. Sorry, you can't hack it. < 1303080363 370580 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely I'm just testing the principle? < 1303080369 650450 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what it is again. < 1303080376 459032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: OK, let me make a full step list. < 1303080389 691901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Move your account to a nicer bank. < 1303080396 974001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, back up your ~/.uplink before you attempt elliott's zanny scheme < 1303080402 437935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- [Proxied] Connect to that same bank. Create a new throw-away account, but remember the password. < 1303080415 140024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- [UNPROXIED] Transfer all funds from your main account to that throw-away account. < 1303080419 954056 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ait, what happens if you have loans and no money? < 1303080423 683518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Proxied] Connect to the bank. Create another throw-away. < 1303080437 907237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- [Proxied] Connect to the first throw-away. Fill up the loan to full. Transfer ALL funds to the second throw-away. < 1303080450 532168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- [Proxied] Connect to the second throw-away. Fill up the loan to full. Transfer ALL funds to your main account. < 1303080455 655362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then clear your proxied trace. < 1303080459 604273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At the source.) < 1303080469 711111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: "Shit", I would assume, but this will go too quickly for that to matter. < 1303080476 613886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, banks trace passively fast. You will need to clear trace in between < 1303080478 321313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1303080483 338737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of course. < 1303080494 48930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Agent_Hoover is sane enough to know that. < 1303080499 401448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, he DID just do another bank heist. < 1303080502 541041 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1303080517 851802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Anyway, your profit will be two full loans' worth. < 1303080538 267813 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I want to see what happens with a big loan and no money. < 1303080540 219672 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE < 1303080560 204068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef WAREZRELEASE < 1303080563 157429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303080573 203066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1303080577 435247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :D < 1303080578 289065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Erm. < 1303080581 737542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Don't do it on your main bank account < 1303080584 819315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or when not proxied up. < 1303080586 473603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Anyway, wait. < 1303080588 515894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: MY HEIST TESTS THAT < 1303080590 578199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it actually seems to *add a feature* < 1303080595 917134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Just log in to the first or second shell account after it's done. < 1303080601 959809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not just do something zanny < 1303080606 85130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What feature? < 1303080621 507886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, something with banks. It is badly commented. Hasn't worked it out yet < 1303080630 96285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: So, just do my heist, THEN you can find out. < 1303080631 799863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less work. < 1303080698 762748 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/#define DOCLABRELEASE // This version designed for DOC labs < 1303080699 24240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/#define WAREZRELEASE // Purity Control < 1303080699 932091 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1303080703 196530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1303080706 86958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303080709 595697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So GO FOR IT < 1303080715 888194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, loans are global. < 1303080720 394536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What...? < 1303080735 402992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait, that's okay. < 1303080736 300219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your scheme falls to pieces < 1303080740 792912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit is the same for all accounts. < 1303080741 625640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just decrease the loan to zero after transferring all money. < 1303080755 627430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You'll end up with negative money, but it doesn't matter, it's a shell account. < 1303080759 534374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it doesn't. < 1303080771 900708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The limit is the same for all accounts. <-- I expected that based on what I pasted from the source above < 1303080810 290472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It _doesn't matter_. < 1303080810 717275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, the limit stays at 0 for the other accounts. < 1303080815 885868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still pull it off. < 1303080821 428717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1303080829 765514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: _Decrease the loan to zero after sending the money_ < 1303080836 542937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will put the loan limit back at four thousand. < 1303080841 649814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And put you into negative money, but that is irrelevant. < 1303080847 476136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, negative money doesn't seem to exist properly. < 1303080857 555573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes back to zero if you reconnect. < 1303080864 660327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your loans stay the same. < 1303080882 817454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... OK, listen. < 1303080890 118921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You see the decrease loan button? < 1303080897 355461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did all of that. < 1303080898 162484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you press that enough, the global loan counter becomes zero. < 1303080904 925557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disconnect, connect to the other account, note loan count is back to full. < 1303080919 491511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that too; no, it isn't. < 1303080928 37111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, OK. Is it global or just bank-specific? < 1303080938 963839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This still lets you profit one full loan without consequences, mind you. < 1303080940 793100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though that's not much. < 1303080940 943257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303080955 731073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, loan is per account as far as I can tell, but credit rating is global. < 1303080969 887459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like how that makes NO SENSE AT ALL. < 1303080984 656116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually it does? < 1303080989 158254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1303080996 817901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense iff you assume you're the only person in the universe. < 1303081007 161966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way the banks know that the shell accounts are you. < 1303081012 367735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh with global I meant tied to the player object < 1303081017 208167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So their actions decreasing your credit location is bullshit. < 1303081018 425184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know. < 1303081022 178264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, they all come under your finance tab. < 1303081026 352166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The point is, YOU didn't default on your loan. < 1303081030 456692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHELL ACCOUNT FORTY-TWO did. < 1303081038 157007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is so many bad quality of math render by webpage, so I invented a good quality one. Even, someone told me it is better quality once they did it. < 1303081038 750926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You removed all traces so _the banks do not know it is you_. < 1303081045 95203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is NONSENSE that that decreases your credit rating. < 1303081045 250228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see what Phantom_Hoover said < 1303081048 101199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's plausible that for banks at least you have to declare it's you. < 1303081051 577481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I REALISE HOW IT WORKS CODE-WISE < 1303081063 683695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Err, servers don't know that they're on my favourites list. < 1303081065 384520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, meaning that while your scheme seems nice it won't work < 1303081073 632064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand how credit-ratings work, but I have no credit card, so I do not use them. < 1303081074 625776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've already admitted it won't work, please shut up. < 1303081079 636859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with hacked transfers; doesn't matter how anonymously you made the recipient account, you're still caught for it. < 1303081081 486547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did you? Okay < 1303081082 733563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm just saying that the design of Uplink in this area is stupid. < 1303081090 678987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It avoids game-breaking by being completely illogical. < 1303081103 655828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illogical > game-breaking. < 1303081105 453841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Computers track data all the time; the fact that a global list of your accounts exists on your gateway doesn't mean the banks know about it. < 1303081116 431412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yes, but logical and not game-breaking > both. < 1303081118 461592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? Dunno. < 1303081123 377987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make banks insanely good at tracking if you try that, or something. < 1303081130 250157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramp up bank security to 11 maybe < 1303081132 105841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's plausible that in Uplinkland some form of more concrete ID is needed for bank accounts. < 1303081138 959535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time you can do it, it is no longer worth it < 1303081144 653903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That should be explicit, then. < 1303081165 988276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably the best idea. It makes sense in the insanely corporatist world of Uplink that banks have crazy good security. < 1303081176 12608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, with the loan limit it'd be so tedious anyway :) < 1303081182 982882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they don't *really* have good security. < 1303081192 238070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm saying that they _should_. < 1303081199 195774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fix this exploit while keeping logical. < 1303081211 873775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concrete ID would work too < 1303081218 647250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not require reworking lots of missions < 1303081230 363116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The admin section is extremely well-protected, but the transfer logs aren't kept there, they're kept in userland for some insane reason. < 1303081256 92868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they still passive-trace utterly fast < 1303081275 589153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not fast enough to stop you if you have a monitor bypass. < 1303081284 216719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1303081311 350132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well since save/load route is broken I need to debug that before I can enjoy uplink dev x86-64 < 1303081316 930273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Absurd that you wouldn't be able to forge a concrete ID. < 1303081324 852147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be people offering that, but it costs insane amounts of money. < 1303081330 624831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT they only begin the trace when the transaction occurs, which means that unless you take 2 minutes to make about 3 clicks you're entirely safe. < 1303081340 700011 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you have a problem with system square on map not being rendered on the clickable area when zoomed in a lot? < 1303081344 787582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just me < 1303081361 661447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It would be reaaaally nice if you added two-times text scaling, it is so tiny :P < 1303081364 489551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using the dev version? < 1303081371 994876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I had the same in 1.54... < 1303081391 875730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah works fine on my low res desktop monitor. And it sounds awkward to do it anyway < 1303081440 790357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ;_; < 1303081441 606453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hate < 1303081458 558369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a lot of code is pixel based in offsets < 1303081469 950364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK fine just add an SDL scaling call of some sort. < 1303081473 572126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie KNOWS ABOUT THESE < 1303081476 550049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't it use opengl? < 1303081478 871905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1303081481 111889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, SDL. < 1303081494 343895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why then did I have to mess with gl calls when working on world map code? < 1303081509 417834 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it uses sdl too yes < 1303081518 242151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL DO IT AT SDL LEVEL FIRST < 1303081519 481202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOSER < 1303081521 92158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1303081535 181582 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can do it < 1303081542 182102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lack the dev thing and your diff. < 1303081569 996831 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303081573 658455 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the dev you could get. My diff hm yes... well okay I could generate that. It would be vast. Due to EOL changes < 1303081575 126820 :Fuco!~dota.keys@188.123.106.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303081587 565933 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ANYWAY I am at the point of kickstarting the campaign. < 1303081591 177884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because configure: bad interpreter #!/bin/sh^M sucks < 1303081591 705344 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1303081595 837485 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, nice < 1303081599 529340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Can you work for BOTH ARC and Arunmor? < 1303081606 838109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Arunmor try to convince you to switch to their team at a point. < 1303081611 586742 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good trick < 1303081615 165772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heartily suggest you try and unleash both Faith and Revelation yourself. < 1303081623 710186 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hould I be Comrade Hoover, cyberrevolutionary, or Captain Hoover, Defender of Truth, Justice and the American Way? < 1303081630 409977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: SEE ABOVE < 1303081649 296917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyberrevolutionary Defender of Truth, Justice, the American Way, and blowing up the Internet while simultaneously stopping yourself from doing so. < 1303081650 225546 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arunmor try that immediately after ARC offer you the first mission. < 1303081654 576044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Yes. < 1303081662 348041 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accepting one makes the other reject you. < 1303081666 435107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: Basically, in that Let's Play, the player stole Revelation. < 1303081672 178927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: I suggest that you steal both Revelation AND Faith. < 1303081674 303001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And set them off simultaneously. < 1303081684 449452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If both ARC and Arunmor reject you somehow, that is EVEN BETTER < 1303081686 895932 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An early version of Revelation which doesn't spread. < 1303081699 681544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: No, he stole three point oh. < 1303081700 858703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1303081701 749131 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a better nick than anything matching the regex .*_Hoover < 1303081706 997248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that could have just been flavour text. < 1303081707 448457 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The virulent form is only obtainable in the last mission of the ARC campaign. < 1303081710 913966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes when working for ARC < 1303081723 187539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: OK. Do the ARC campaign. < 1303081728 453184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: But steal Faith from Arunmor. < 1303081731 470759 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES COMRADE HIRD < 1303081734 929289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And set them off simultaneously. < 1303081736 560913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: WILL THAT WORK < 1303081739 133268 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO IT DOESN''T WORK THAT WAY < 1303081740 498604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you steal Faith? < 1303081741 513860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT < 1303081743 599928 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAITH IS EMAILED < 1303081743 750065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL ME WHY NOT BRO < 1303081771 383011 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO ARC KILLED A GUY ARE THEY STILL SANE < 1303081777 17015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, what about when arunmor tries to run it and you have to combat it? < 1303081794 529860 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, I think both sides are insane < 1303081801 822418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What's the sane thing? < 1303081808 592495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, what happens when you complete arunmor? Does the game end? < 1303081812 525023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1303081817 426519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1303081827 773417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARC are obviously more "shady". But I think the result of the ARC campaign is superior to the result of the Arunmor campaign. < 1303081839 803946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it teaches everyone a lesson in computer security :D < 1303081843 97597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1303081851 82422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/oTLBn.png < 1303081854 640211 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what happens if you don't join either side? < 1303081860 66248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KKK: "Dammit, stop it with this libel, we're not associated with WestboroX" < 1303081864 858321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KKK: "YOU'RE TRYING TO TARNISH OUR GOOD NAME" < 1303081869 891757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I forget; ask PH :P < 1303081877 368752 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO I'M TRYING A LAN HACK SO I WON'T BE RESPONSIVE FOR A BIT < 1303081896 733894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover, there is a pause button < 1303081899 555851 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't join either events play out as they do in the Arunmor campaign. < 1303081913 437845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1303081950 471303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1303081974 817453 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OK this LAN has the target server right next to the entrance. < 1303081985 8028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1303081988 187287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECURITY < 1303082090 153648 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1303082099 817423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1303082152 353696 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303082181 231264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, though SKI works in C++, infinite loops don't seem to. < 1303082186 841011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a recursion limit of some sort. < 1303082193 811375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is never explicitly shown. < 1303082213 135479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, my foreach in C++ is insane. < 1303082246 931672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pikhq: BEHOLD: http://sprunge.us/GRgd < 1303082363 112225 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1303082490 765297 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303082527 67653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent_Hoover: HELLO USER UPLINK < 1303082540 252426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STATE TETRAQUAD NAME AND VIEW-ADDRESS OF ALLIANCE < 1303082542 847102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUT > < 1303082626 702670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ VORPAL ] VIOLATION OF PROTOCOL 9/9909 NOTICED. PLEASE REMOVE GANTIAN MATRIX FROM HOLDER AND REPEAT CONFESSION. < 1303082660 688660 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit I can be so stupid < 1303082677 948317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You are always so stupid. < 1303082683 362277 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left ear starts working again. I poke ear with finger. Ear proceeds to stop working again. < 1303082691 992510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1303082751 238378 :Agent_Hoover!~Uplink@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303082751 425136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303082865 475103 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You may wish to get that looked into. < 1303082925 976163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Poke your ears more. < 1303082928 24225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With knives. < 1303083003 649080 :wareya!~wareya@74.70.142.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1303083003 812598 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't _think_ it's dangerous < 1303083014 653531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... annoying < 1303083030 339405 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not "completely stopped working". Just... quieter < 1303083049 506824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Sgeo_ really not know what to call ears popping? < 1303083062 258998 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1303083078 607385 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do ears stay popped for extended periods of time? < 1303083087 808964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1303083101 270149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WAIT, ACCORDING TO THE DAILY FAIL, YOU ARE GOING DEAF: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211815/Dont-ignore-ears-popping--mean-youre-deaf.html < 1303083113 251012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eagerly waits for Sgeo_ to take the article at face value. < 1303083166 242389 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: According to the Daily Fail, HURP DURP DE DERP < 1303083181 35266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the Daily Fail, CANCER CURES CANCER < 1303083184 897984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are easier ways to determine whether you are deaf < 1303083197 906498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: haha, that url is perfect :D < 1303083202 472960 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do I unpop an ear? < 1303083215 645361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I'm sorry, I can't talk to you, it's just really bad for my faith in humanity. < 1303083218 984815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask pikhq. < 1303083233 200025 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it obvious? You drain the pop out. < 1303083262 801156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a popped ear minus the pop is a healthy ear < 1303083292 953670 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should stop swimming in Coke in the future, BTW. That's the leading cause of popped ears, y'know. < 1303083316 596925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocaine or coca cola? < 1303083332 737405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mixture of the two. < 1303083338 935633 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1303083342 899546 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ear is now somewhere between fully functioning and what I've come to accept as normal < 1303083482 97112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you might want to hold off tupising bsnes until something comes out of the variants discussion at http://groups.google.com/group/tup-users/browse_thread/thread/d995f2edb1d6fa/5e53332b354db20f. < 1303083535 224995 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh? < 1303083548 240655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah. I'd read the thread. < 1303083598 154157 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite sure I'm seeing the relevance < 1303083634 885836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Read later on. < 1303083646 574561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cd project < 1303083646 761172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir build-foo && cd build-foo < 1303083646 761371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :../configure --lots-of-options --specific-to-this --variant # Writes a < 1303083646 761482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"config.h" and some variables for Tup. < 1303083646 761668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup upd # all build output goes below the current directory < 1303083647 372561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This allows an arbitrary number of variants to coexist, with options as < 1303083649 506334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined by the user, and leaves the source directory pristine which makes it < 1303083651 541711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to blast it away when you no longer need it (just just delete < 1303083655 202936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :build-foo)." < 1303083663 319293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Basically the combination of Phoenix UI backend and all the fiddly switches would constitute one backend. < 1303083670 830132 :lauanana!~lauanana@ANantes-552-1-84-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1303083675 698889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And you'd want predefined variants for {performance,compatibility,accuracy}-{qt,gtk,...}. < 1303083687 419352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi lauanana. < 1303083688 605644 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaaah*. < 1303083689 549868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you Slereah? < 1303083747 417591 :lauanana!~lauanana@ANantes-552-1-84-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Client Quit < 1303083766 632296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVIDENTLY NOT < 1303083885 863741 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is somewhat annoyed that there is nothing actually good at automatic configuration of things. < 1303083945 770894 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should *not* be hard to just go "I want a C99 compiler and the following libraries. Get cracking." < 1303083953 864861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you mean "automatically finding out how to compile a program on this system" or "user configuration of software compilation and features"? < 1303083955 588702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the former. < 1303083968 243754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, let's put it this way... on Unix, you can pretty much rely on pkg-config. < 1303083975 758464 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though fortunately it's gotten a lot better, courtesy of pkg-config. < 1303083980 263087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, zlib and some other things don't have common pkg-config entries yet, but 90 percent of the time... < 1303083990 406978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the homogenisation of Unix. < 1303084017 448338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As far as C compilers go, I'd just try a short fixed list of compilers (say, cc gcc clang tcc pcc) or whatever. < 1303084033 553403 :cheater00!~cheater@g229029107.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1303084039 880773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, the vast majority of what autoconf does is busywork these days, for all common systems. < 1303084054 605695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with uncommon systems, for most programs, it's perfectly OK if the user just has to say "oh, my CC is called wrt-og-cc". < 1303084059 447830 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can at least do "cc foo.c bar.c -o foo `pkg-config --cflags --libs foo bar baz`" and you're 3/4ths there. < 1303084061 467097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For programs that require tons of libraries and shit, this is less acceptable.) < 1303084134 873095 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are definitely right that autoconf has gotten to be a lot of overkill. < 1303084157 645114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I doubt you've ever compiled anything on HP-UX, and I bet Gregor has :P < 1303084163 928698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY, Yahweasel. < 1303084174 796303 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how often are you going to be building on a system that doesn't have a reasonable chunk of POSIX? < 1303084175 842362 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I have ... *sobs* < 1303084179 173391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But surely even HP-UX has pkg-config now [WISHFUL THINKING] < 1303084181 870017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: SAY IT DOES < 1303084184 866966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Windows. < 1303084190 775973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tup runs on Windows. :p < 1303084195 225139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, the *other* platform. < 1303084201 321854 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX and retard. < 1303084202 461809 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt that it ships with it, but it might. < 1303084207 595670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: UNIX and derp. < 1303084221 378106 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029163.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1303084241 773847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Well, it is used by just about every notable library past libc and zlib. :P < 1303084247 457595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?bf +++++what is a caret++++++++++. < 1303084247 720581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1303084249 754708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?bf +++++what is a caret++++++++++++. < 1303084250 17920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1303084251 463247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sob < 1303084256 157654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone say one please < 1303084264 68222 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1303084270 492380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^nr < 1303084270 642575 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+ < 1303084273 977220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1303084274 187563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually meant the digit one < 1303084274 809127 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HP-UX isn't big on having notable libraries in it :P < 1303084276 678865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that works too thank you :D < 1303084289 498043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahweasel: Does it have GTK? < 1303084302 818864 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, HP-UX. < 1303084313 431589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not have zlib. :P < 1303084347 699480 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I haven't used HP-UX in a good long while, so it's possible (read: highly unlikely) that it's improved. < 1303084354 771654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, HP-UX is still *maintained*? What. The. Fuck. < 1303084356 711998 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, write a bot that doesn't require ^ < 1303084361 320047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no < 1303084386 619334 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though Solaris was the only traditional commercial Unix still around. < 1303084398 204733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It even supports IPvSixX < 1303084469 437313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would *anyone* decide in this day and age to use a proprietary Unix? < 1303084504 607595 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I can kinda get Solaris, though Oracle seems to be wanting to kill that off as well. < 1303084512 916027 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But otherwise? < 1303084563 144258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1303084563 333597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error: Circular dependency found among Tupfiles (last dir ID 13 = < 1303084563 483550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tests'). < 1303084563 483656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is madness! < 1303084563 483701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]At first, this is not madness, I know what I want to do, and it was ok < 1303084563 483745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with make and scons. < 1303084564 196043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could TUP be a little more politically correct?" < 1303084566 480176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--mailing list post < 1303084574 698224 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, HP-UX ships with OpenSSL. It has pkg-config. < 1303084574 848938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover what are the haps < 1303084585 174573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I find that logic wanting. < 1303084591 757865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacked ARC. Nothing there. < 1303084595 884189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacked LAN. < 1303084599 447113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing there. < 1303084607 164894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacked another LAN. Nothing there. < 1303084624 723962 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It damned well better have it. Otherwise it is shipping with software older than elliott. :P < 1303084625 221327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacked someone's mainframe. Nothing there by the time I was finished with it < 1303084642 110231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, it could just use OpenSSL but not install the pkg-config files. < 1303084650 887414 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, fuck, it could. < 1303084670 796925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, autoconf-based stuff still works without pkg-config files. < 1303084671 281035 :Yahweasel!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could install the pkg-config files but not pkg-config itself :P < 1303084674 595382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is all the stuffs. < 1303084735 631778 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-242-158.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, only checking with pkg-config is the preferred way of doing autoconf checks for libraries now, I thought. < 1303084750 930486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1303084760 157464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, preferred autoconf practice X= done autoconf practice. < 1303084761 565277 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection