< 1302739239 494770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%ld\n", -180447893567515161L / 918168945243822051L); < 1302739245 415228 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1302739749 525922 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302739815 611422 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302739942 600606 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg it's the modules again < 1302739952 972631 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302739958 833671 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302739963 917586 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302740148 405417 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1302740223 758167 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1302740352 134859 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302740363 269852 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302740431 789957 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG OM NOM NOM NOM NOM < 1302740483 105110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Zomg.Cookies(ChocolateChip,Almond) < 1302740561 826253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = mapM_ eat $ cycle [ChocolateChip, Almond] < 1302740565 194858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302740573 60452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -180447893567515161 / 918168945243822051 < 1302740573 980247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.19653016419499658 < 1302740576 792468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -180447893567515161 `div` 918168945243822051 < 1302740577 503884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1302740580 151825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1302740591 749792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (/) = div in -180447893567515161 / 918168945243822051 < 1302740592 579360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1302740594 543249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1302740616 225863 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i believe unary minus has lower precedence than `div` < 1302740622 766482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (/) = div in (-180447893567515161) / 918168945243822051 < 1302740623 601890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1302740627 861976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1302740640 663211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302740644 837780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does nothing follow C semantics here? < 1302740659 637947 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-180447893567515161) `quot` 918168945243822051 < 1302740660 614788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1302740673 477465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because haskell has both versions < 1302740687 745990 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you might need both someday < 1302740703 520421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :div and mod are more mathematical < 1302740721 703269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but x86 does quot :) < 1302740729 245675 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while quot and rem are frequently ... yes < 1302740739 734991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, does rem ignore the sign? < 1302740743 781870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 `rem` (-3) < 1302740744 614565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1302740746 820225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! < 1302740758 977678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's fucked up, C has quot and mod < 1302740764 195490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302740778 583032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ Are you sure we want to make Fythe follow such fucked-up semantics :P < 1302740787 568037 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -2 `rem` 3 < 1302740788 809679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1302740797 489338 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :These seem to be C's semantics. < 1302740803 765464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1302740806 197829 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -5 `rem` 3 < 1302740807 326849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1302740807 491399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sort of not what you said in #plof < 1302740809 657160 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: both of haskell's versions fulfil the (a%b)+(a/b)*b = a property < 1302740814 670731 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I was wrong in #plof :P < 1302740819 884503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : For C? < 1302740820 48620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : divisor < 0 < 1302740820 198710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's it? < 1302740820 443007 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is important algebraically < 1302740831 895108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hay wanna fix fytheBignumMod in bignum.c? 8D < 1302740832 191806 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*== < 1302740838 594161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually fairly easy to follow for the bignum functions :P < 1302740840 852833 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : x % y = sign(x) * (abs(x) % abs(y)) < 1302740845 388465 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ This is C semantics < 1302740863 392052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes, go fix it, I'm taking a short break from bignum.c to test the bastards :P < 1302740916 153607 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, I would just throw an exception if either argument was negative, or if the rhs was zero < 1302740943 954798 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm a bastard that way < 1302740944 574807 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i repeat, haskell's unary minus has lower precedence that `div` etc. < 1302740957 679070 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Argh :P < 1302740962 752155 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-5) `rem` 3 < 1302740963 951974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1302740968 81031 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, still right :P < 1302741020 849677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: (335272555365323022 * -725962439160346310) % (-640621279300857530 * -981358903806926303) = -243395282076532154171070906535748820 < 1302741020 999728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fythe thinks: 0 < 1302741023 63557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's not good. < 1302741049 717369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure using a negative divisor with this stuff is recommended under any circumstances < 1302741054 427182 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302741135 614278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (335272555365323022 * -725962439160346310) % (-640621279300857530 * -981358903806926303) = -243395282076532154171070906535748820 < 1302741135 941061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fythe thinks: 0 < 1302741137 594827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well that's not good. < 1302741139 421401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :got throttled there < 1302741141 359877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that got through < 1302741152 125245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did < 1302741198 194976 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302741200 669608 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong channel :P < 1302741228 175263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's overspill :P < 1302741240 294160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm gonna have to fix fytheIModBignum myself, aren't I :( < 1302741293 344350 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302741514 545144 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302741517 564285 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm not sure using a negative divisor with this stuff is recommended under any circumstances < 1302741522 6058 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but you might need it someday < 1302741544 188141 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is the library designer to second-guess what the library's users may need someday? < 1302741606 973548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: literals default to integer in haskell right? < 1302741618 227841 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t 4 < 1302741619 456901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `:' < 1302741621 436152 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 4 < 1302741622 676615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t < 1302741641 844644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know :) < 1302741642 203148 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like no < 1302741655 832355 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ooh! numberlike!" < 1302741735 270737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: yes, but in ghc -e < 1302741739 649843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :defaulting rules < 1302741843 982830 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, I agree with lambdabot. in general, literals shouldn't prescribe their type < 1302741859 96573 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0 is an integer < 1302741892 103937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1302741892 711921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302741893 503673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is < 1302741894 414390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ew :) < 1302741970 633774 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think it isn't you've been spending too much time with computers < 1302742009 522031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: as in pretty much all my life, yes < 1302742010 504051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1302742011 3993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302742013 296133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it obviously is an integer < 1302742021 112875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody writes "4.0" unless the context is non-integers < 1302742030 719923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a fairly good hint to a computer that you don't want a pure integral type imo < 1302742039 758238 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: default defaulting is to Integer, then Double; it has nothing to do with _literals_ per se < 1302742047 644442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES YES < 1302742071 151467 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 4.0 < 1302742072 298248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Fractional t) => t < 1302742141 202666 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4.0 :: Integer < 1302742142 424508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1302742142 574654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising f... < 1302742161 967443 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x -> 10 in x / 2; goto 10 < 1302742163 392839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `->' < 1302742188 248252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong in so many ways < 1302742205 494793 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike say fractional integers < 1302742231 859362 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 6/3 < 1302742233 422097 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although someone _did_ hack together a partial BASIC DSL in Haskell < 1302742233 606141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Fractional t) => t < 1302742268 108756 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Line Number t) => t < 1302742309 887862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was lennart right? < 1302742312 172487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM-powered :D < 1302742327 572627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall, i thought it was pure haskell... < 1302742386 106406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it was a monad for compiling into LLVM < 1302742414 15009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302742593 484693 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302742694 2944 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here for five minutes. Let's see what people have said. < 1302742710 57677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1302742719 778554 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE TELL ANYTHING < 1302742769 242088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, there's a new person < 1302742782 935765 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, new person. < 1302742785 654715 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's just a sham! < 1302742867 625316 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will totally convince tswettbot to eat itself though OM NOM NOM NOM < 1302742883 735814 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be. < 1302742895 811371 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1302742904 64194 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the new person? < 1302743023 369552 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an old person, actually < 1302743043 235815 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods further.
< 1302743046 430616 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, good night, everyone. < 1302743065 947585 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely a new sham < 1302743121 833425 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 5 / "hello" < 1302743122 961345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Fractional [Char]) < 1302743123 111519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `/' at :1:0-10 < 1302743123 111765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Fractional [Char]) < 1302743146 882810 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngood suggestion! < 1302743149 622054 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good < 1302743161 784584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you might want to file for a name change just to avoid the puns < 1302743262 47721 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not one to shy from puns < 1302743289 182457 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two peanuts in central park, one was assaulted. < 1302743299 34516 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peanut < 1302743335 50355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: erm. be very careful < 1302743337 951567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is in charge of puns around here. < 1302743342 813293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to get on his bad side < 1302743406 851981 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just annoyed no one got my pun without spoonfeeding < 1302743427 295928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um you realise people get your puns then ignore them < 1302743433 603531 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WAY < 1302743450 569718 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cannot be legal < 1302743469 772722 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an emoticon which succinctly signifies "ACKNOWLEDGE PUN" and nothing else < 1302743483 826476 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X: perhaps < 1302743504 489566 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official response is "*groan*" < 1302743505 606290 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a home groan emoticon < 1302743510 606107 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least thats what I get < 1302743516 203905 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X: < 1302743534 554793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: here we swat instead. < 1302743539 123938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's usually a fuss to type. < 1302743546 195207 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?slap oerjan < 1302743546 345163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go slap oerjan yourself < 1302743571 285761 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats newsham -----###
< 1302743581 621264 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?slap ZOMGMODULES < 1302743582 189062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smashes a lamp on ZOMGMODULES's head
< 1302743590 717481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?slap ?slap < 1302743590 904785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not; ?slap looks rather dangerous. < 1302743595 100213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?slap lambdabot < 1302743595 264337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps lambdabot
< 1302743605 207886 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?shapr shapr < 1302743605 476359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not; shapr looks rather dangerous. < 1302743607 788659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?slap auh < 1302743607 938898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will count to five...
< 1302743619 123508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?asdfasdf asdfasdf < 1302743619 285578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1302743624 775541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?shapr Sgeo < 1302743624 925808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SMACK*, *SLAM*, take that Sgeo! < 1302743637 396539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at shapr < 1302743646 963570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?slap shapr < 1302743647 113760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not; shapr looks rather dangerous. < 1302743676 888940 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?shapr Sgeo < 1302743677 426929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION moulds Sgeo into a delicous cookie, and places it in her oven
< 1302743690 153511 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?vixen kinky! < 1302743690 313855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can be very kinky at times < 1302743709 810899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we abuse lambdabot too much it'll get taken away again! :p < 1302743740 786907 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/she/ < 1302743749 976470 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheeeit < 1302743846 562674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is having some difficulty finding an OpenGenera emulator
< 1302743864 480562 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brad parker has VLM which runs in x64 linux < 1302743883 370713 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is having no difficulty at finding an OpenGenera emulator. Of course, he's not actually trying.
< 1302743908 773984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weblog.mrbill.net/archives/2008/05/18/finally-got-open-genera-running/ < 1302743917 344303 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unlambda.com/download/genera/ < 1302743924 885294 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :docs here http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux < 1302743947 318197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw unlambda, just didn't realize it also had OpenGenera < 1302744061 354201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: oh, is that newer than the one going around on teh torrentz? < 1302744076 762983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the OpenGenera distribution, but the snap4 emulator is buggy as all hell < 1302744078 341243 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know. < 1302744086 772149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1302744099 391089 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to brad, he was talking about rolling a new dist but i dont think he ever did < 1302744119 205196 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, he's got a huge refrigerator sized lispm that he's giving away free (as of earlier this week) if anyone wants one.. arlington ma. :) < 1302744164 587061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1302744166 653372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna buy a lispm < 1302744169 981487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no way i'd be able to afford the shipping < 1302744176 822610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of one of the real ones, I mean, not any of this macivory crap :) < 1302744196 327625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1302744198 569406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.cliki.net/Linux%20VLM%20workarounds < 1302744202 972315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's a workaround for having to start it as root < 1302744381 450432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it no one has ever made a smalltalk machine? < 1302744413 730327 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels space and time start bending around him
< 1302744511 587748 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you should make one. < 1302744528 204113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't have the attention span
< 1302744684 503450 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is insulted
< 1302744690 443968 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not at Sgeo < 1302744708 903389 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Bitbucket, for not including BASIC in their "What language is this project in" dropdown < 1302744748 644909 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have R though. God bless their little hearts! < 1302744784 293228 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have like a half-dozen languages I've never heard of, and frankly, that I doubt exist. < 1302744810 983627 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Duby"? SRSLY < 1302744853 292858 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SuperCollider"... I so hope that one's as interesting as it sounds < 1302744864 614455 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINGS BETTER BE FRICKEN COLLIDING IN THAT < 1302744933 717183 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302744983 734407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: supercollider is awesome < 1302744987 962287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: it's an audio processing language thing < 1302744993 922246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaxu uses it < 1302745001 255169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/SuperCollider_screenshot3.jpg < 1302745008 768691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yaxu's software uses it :) < 1302745026 785493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: duby is a boring "ZOMG RUBY WITH TYPES" on the jvm. < 1302745030 243761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly disregardable. < 1302745041 386930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hello pizearke < 1302745048 39358 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey. < 1302745089 300504 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny question about fractran... < 1302745104 208540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan is the one who knows fractran :D < 1302745113 121107 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool. < 1302745114 802792 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly < 1302745126 973050 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how you would go about representing a list in fractran? < 1302745138 810423 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302745139 714201 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's no way of introducing new primes. < 1302745178 7233 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it would have to be encoded into the exponent of one prime (or possibly more, but one is enough) < 1302745196 36414 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there is a way. < 1302745221 879252 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the list elements are bits, then you can for example encode using binary < 1302745242 627284 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1302745251 586918 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,1,1,0 -> 10110_2 = 22 < 1302745286 83519 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no way to use an infinite amount of primes, right? < 1302745290 109234 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1302745321 264457 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fractran program can only meaningfully use primes that divide one of the listed numerators or denominators < 1302745337 28033 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a finite number < 1302745417 268633 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I though. < 1302745418 449219 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*t < 1302745452 432456 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a fractran program essentially ends up using the exponents on its primes as registers, and the rest of the trick of programming it is to treat that as a minsky/counter machine < 1302745512 564594 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not exactly but essentially < 1302745546 609515 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get you. < 1302745747 659908 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, fractran, sounds weird. < 1302745753 898596 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302745885 579243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the not exactly is because you also need some primes for the states of the minsky machine < 1302745920 177421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: that conway is a freaky guy < 1302745929 534918 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should get a life < 1302745952 686957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a bit late for that, how old is he? < 1302745963 351365 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X: < 1302745975 776128 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan missed it?? < 1302745982 34068 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :74 < 1302745982 714501 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:07] < elliott> oerjan is in charge of puns around here. < 1302745987 614774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: you should really fix the part where you eyes < 1302745989 190344 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: DAMN < 1302745993 414410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also an X for a mouth < 1302746010 82064 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BASKEY < 1302746013 85224 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BASKET < 1302746016 392015 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er 73 < 1302746053 994338 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conway resides in Princeton, New Jersey. He has seven children and three grandchildren, and has been married with his wife Diana since 2001." < 1302746056 812478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not even been alive for a full generation! < 1302746057 872570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU GET IT < 1302746062 325954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GENERATIONS" IN THE GAME OF LIFE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAIRUHSJFGOUJRWHTREIWJQOFDGHUIEWQ9EWNG < 1302746087 724854 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just got caught up in the literal meaning, sheesh < 1302746092 706934 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, carrots < 1302746130 795014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO < 1302746131 671103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU < 1302746132 161475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET < 1302746136 811573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wasn't complaining at oerjan < 1302746146 538466 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm just waffling around < 1302746178 768538 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic < 1302746179 534178 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after some amount of reddit browsing, that is an automatic reaction to seeing HAHAHAHA < 1302746186 323525 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are his other forty-six grandchildren, if he has seven children, he should have forty-nine grandchildren < 1302746413 145844 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302746422 534495 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: there were so many that most died from overcrowding < 1302746424 770803 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. seems like fractran could make a tiny interpretter < 1302746464 61099 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: and probably has < 1302746475 435949 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OF COURSE < 1302746520 726923 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be amusing if someone twisted a fractran program inside a larger program as some sort of integrity check as part of a copy protection scheme or something < 1302746777 296165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: the J interpreter is tiny :) < 1302746781 317961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fractran, that is < 1302746818 171733 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont know J (know of it) < 1302746828 634361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: it's like APL but better! < 1302746866 495267 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302746924 634844 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with unoptimized fractran interpreters is that writing anything remotely practical is impossible. < 1302746947 568731 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how can *fewer* Greek letters be an improvement? < 1302746968 790433 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's in a programming language with infinitely large integers... < 1302747022 599419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizearke: Like all decent programming languages you mean? :) < 1302747042 340633 :pizearke!~pup@cpe-65-28-173-159.wi.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by that? < 1302747078 841598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most high-level languages have bignums. < 1302747126 579530 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302747148 347244 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302747158 744962 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", (long long) 2 << 63) < 1302747164 29419 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1302747167 52532 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302747169 594673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302747175 475030 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 2LL << 63LL) < 1302747176 76645 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302747177 696725 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1302747181 784316 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1302747183 636929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", (long long) 1 << 63) < 1302747184 844668 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-9223372036854775808 < 1302747193 745448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 2 << 63 == 2^64 isn't it < 1302747194 463680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so 0 < 1302747199 256969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... < 1302747200 535094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, 2 lol :P < 1302747200 804778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1302747203 139857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 * 2^63 < 1302747204 648075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := 2^64 < 1302747210 581587 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 1LL << 63LL) < 1302747212 877430 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-9223372036854775808 < 1302747213 364012 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 1LL << 62LL) < 1302747215 556599 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4611686018427387904 < 1302747225 916275 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 1LL << 63LL - 1) < 1302747228 332990 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4611686018427387904 < 1302747237 210909 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhwtf < 1302747238 123771 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", (long long) 1 << ((long long) 1 << 63)) < 1302747240 383276 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1302747249 665637 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 1LL << 63LL - 1LL) < 1302747252 18856 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4611686018427387904 < 1302747252 612073 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY < 1302747273 480172 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... shouldn't the absolute values of those numbers be off by one? < 1302747279 669974 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 1LL << (1LL << 63)) < 1302747282 184725 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1302747288 898048 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 4611686018427387904LL) < 1302747291 301270 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4611686018427387904 < 1302747292 824900 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 4611686018427387904LL + 1) < 1302747295 388044 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4611686018427387905 < 1302747300 404799 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN IT C < 1302747319 762721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302747355 379161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg this guy on rationalwiki is like Sgeo! < 1302747357 355012 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%lld\n", 1LL << (1LL << (1LL << 63))) < 1302747359 831786 :EgoBot!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1302747365 887655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1302747385 431245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1302747391 129634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linky < 1302747411 824397 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this vision of a single 1 bit getting v. dizzy < 1302747426 748949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1302747439 489043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302747440 738404 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sads
< 1302747466 462686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't want a link :) < 1302747474 27059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1302747475 567135 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ft = unfoldr . (find ((==1).denominator) .) . mapM (*) in numerator <$> ft [17/91, 78/85, 19/51, 23/38, 29/33, 77/29, 95/23, 77/19, 1/17, 11/13, 13/11, 15/14, 15/2, 55/1] 1 < 1302747477 162267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(a, b)' < 1302747477 312630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Re... < 1302747493 463401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1302747569 921364 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1302747652 450234 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits patiently for fix making awesome fun time
< 1302747868 844012 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ft = unfoldr . ((((id&&&id)<$>).find ((==1).denominator)) .) . mapM (*) in numerator <$> ft [17/91, 78/85, 19/51, 23/38, 29/33, 77/29, 95/23, 77/19, 1/17, 11/13, 13/11, 15/14, 15/2, 55/1] 2 < 1302747870 892118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [15,825,725,1925,2275,425,390,330,290,770,910,170,156,132,116,308,364,68,4,... < 1302747881 206705 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302747883 648507 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix is a little bit ugly :( < 1302747897 24479 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make excellent graffitti < 1302748020 474659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302748346 284279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ft = unfoldr . (((join (,) <$>).find ((==1).denominator)) .) . mapM (*) in numerator <$> ft [17/91, 78/85, 19/51, 23/38, 29/33, 77/29, 95/23, 77/19, 1/17, 11/13, 13/11, 15/14, 15/2, 55/1] 2 < 1302748348 156803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [15,825,725,1925,2275,425,390,330,290,770,910,170,156,132,116,308,364,68,4,... < 1302748355 29576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks better < 1302748468 606598 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: ^ < 1302749812 636751 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cOXGIY9Gl1kJ:desk.org:8080/ToytownStLab/Smalltalk%2520hardware+smalltalk+machine&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=ubuntu&source=www.google.com <-- stuff about Smalltalk machines < 1302749926 904953 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I just got word from cpressey that he's migrated his crap onto Bitbucket. The publication model of his website will stay the same for now (modulo internal workflow differences) but he might start moving a few of his projects to be public Bitbucket projects, as a sort of pilot test. < 1302749995 731656 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/catseye/ < 1302750006 930752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: but that's so... < 1302750008 620000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conventional... < 1302750030 347747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accuse that Pressey fellow of reading The Cathedral and the Bazaar. < 1302750074 604124 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free private version control hosting is free private version control hosting, man < 1302750081 925817 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say "might" < 1302750115 684020 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free beats paying svnrepository.com $5 a month or whoever that is and whatever it is they're charging him < 1302750123 511002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: Define "private" :P < 1302750136 512526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1302750142 343742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but he might start moving a few of his projects to be public Bitbucket projects, as a sort of pilot test." < 1302750153 126819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you...sorry, Chris was all going on about *private* hosting :P < 1302750162 509738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose when people say they're going to move a few things, they don't mean all things. < 1302750164 636024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was i going to say. < 1302750185 16501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: heck, bitbucket at $100/mo would be better than svn hosting that pays you because svn < 1302750269 410401 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell an ig nobel price http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/04/scienceshot-safe-sex-duck-style.html?rss=1 < 1302750279 743199 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prize < 1302750282 364870 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn was awesomesauce when the alternative was cvs < 1302750304 375540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/assets/2010/07/30/sn-ducks.jpg pictured: duck penis < 1302750317 607613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: at least cvs was fast :) < 1302750343 473091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno though, that's basically a 2-year limit on svn being acceptable for projects that aren't too big for darcs < 1302750349 343321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn - 2000; darcs - 2002 < 1302750363 269248 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm only 9 years out of date I MEAN HE < 1302750497 283711 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can search Bitbucket with "haskell" to find all 140 haskell projects hosted there; but "haskell game" will not return any of the games written in haskell. < 1302750539 160238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: i smell trolling! < 1302750625 499142 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG AND THEY SUCK TOO < 1302750630 450717 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1302750752 847579 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH OH OH https://bitbucket.org/zoibot/bfhs/overview < 1302750787 937825 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/zoibot/bfhs/overview < 1302750793 903350 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1302750799 648488 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mem = array (1,20000) [(i,0) | i <- [1..20000]] < 1302750818 146682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302750819 979471 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am stunned < 1302750823 882748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1302750833 676796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that is the worst program < 1302750836 29019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked at it < 1302750837 25040 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very high-quality code you find in these projects < 1302750851 214140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, bos rules the haskell results < 1302750861 752418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: github proably has higher-quality stuff ;P < 1302750863 844694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;) < 1302750866 262938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P is Vorpal smiley. < 1302751014 448444 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably probably < 1302751142 603900 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more active development in python projects... lua too, it seems < 1302751189 193179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, all 3 people who use lua because they don't like python also use hg because they don't like git < 1302751215 847741 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods vigorously
< 1302751256 333573 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how searching for "ruby" and "erlang" have in their first few hits a project like "foo_python is a version of foo_{ruby,erlang} for python" < 1302751362 791977 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-215.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: evaporated < 1302751800 948632 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302751844 805992 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302751863 259721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In newLISP, all variables are dynamically scoped by default." < 1302751879 486359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ... slightly mindboggles, but maybe it makes more sense if I look at it more
< 1302751925 652052 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like oldlisp < 1302751937 127139 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302751937 325650 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by default) < 1302751978 150324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: newLISP is retarded. < 1302751991 90698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all marketing, no substance. < 1302752377 102856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, newlisp also lacks garbage collection. < 1302752383 209249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in favour of "One Reference Only", which is code for "shit". < 1302752449 57835 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/machine/fractran.py < 1302752460 600527 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still amazed that thats turing complete. pretty nifty. < 1302752474 663793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fractran is a great tarpit < 1302752476 557677 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad generating inputs and extracting outputs is so much work. < 1302752486 821764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frac =: ({~ 1 i.~(=<.))@:* < 1302752490 579335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ J Fractran interpreter < 1302752496 765445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately J has no bignums :( < 1302752499 636858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit useless < 1302752523 933433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All attempts to find references to newLisp on Reddit reveal that newLisp is very hated < 1302752553 477754 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302752562 873661 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302752639 394925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because it sucks. < 1302752673 11360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What... "You may have heard the mantra against using eval in other languages. In newLISP, this just doesn’t apply. newLISP’s eval is faster than other LISPs." < 1302752685 588446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started reading a newLISP defence article to see if I might be wrong, but I'm clearly not :) < 1302752704 602869 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh where's this? I need a good laugh < 1302752713 137842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.taoeffect.com/blog/2010/01/how-newlisp-took-my-breath-and-syntax-away/ < 1302752717 351744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even defends the one-reference only thing! < 1302752729 515514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"newLISP’s ORO also means repeatable code execution times; you’ll never experience “GC Hell” because there is no garbage collector." < 1302752745 79742 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious < 1302752750 400255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remember, newLISP is an interpreted language. Lutz Mueller, the author of newLISP, made a simple cost/benefit analysis and chose dynamic scope because it’s faster than lexical scope, and because it’s very easy to avoid the potential pitfalls of dynamic scope. Instead of this:" < 1302752754 604445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how half of it is "Speed doesn't matter!" < 1302752756 111791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other half is < 1302752762 25684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This terrible design decision is because it's faster!" < 1302752776 747147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ft = unfoldr . (((join (,) <$>) . find ((==1).denominator)) .) . mapM (*) in numerator <$> ft [17/91, 78/85, 19/51, 23/38, 29/33, 77/29, 95/23, 77/19, 1/17, 11/13, 13/11, 15/14, 15/2, 55/1] 2 < 1302752778 725547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [15,825,725,1925,2275,425,390,330,290,770,910,170,156,132,116,308,364,68,4,... < 1302752785 651411 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: ^ repeat for you < 1302752832 175328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Lambda expressions in newLISP evaluate to themselves and can always be treated as lists'' < 1302752836 732153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302752843 793382 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302752858 161745 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see how everything elliott quoted is... disturbing.. but what about what I just pasted? I saw that mentioned as a criticism of newLisp < 1302752869 903939 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302752870 723028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well that's not really a valid criticism < 1302752893 229365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e was quoting from the manual, and said < 1302752895 326229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have we learned nothing in the last 50 years?" < 1302752898 679459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1302752915 952491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it makes lexical scoping hard. < 1302752920 154789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can't store the closure. < 1302752940 392559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Let's put it this way: If you want a tiny, dynamically-scoped, heretical Lisp, go for PicoLisp, because it manages to come out of all that and still be awesome. < 1302752961 948290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's tinier than newLISP. < 1302752975 374698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the 64-bit version is written in an assembler implemented in PicoLisp, which is cool. < 1302753128 288165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who, exactly, does dynamically-scoped *by default* impress? < 1302753191 106665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles PicoLisp
< 1302753204 95025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What? < 1302753208 241924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Impress"? < 1302753211 940721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about. < 1302753222 376008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how is dynamic scoping by default a good feature? < 1302753240 590427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PicoLisp's scoping is quite thoroughly fun, they have what's kind of like lexical symbols, that they use instead of strings. < 1302753252 69608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax is "x"/underlined x. They do localisation by reassigning strings :) < 1302753255 396679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Strings", not really. < 1302753265 785069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: When did I say dynamic scoping is a good feature? < 1302753283 11590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying that if you're going to use newLISP, stop and use PicoLisp instead. < 1302753291 994653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least PicoLisp puts the scoping oddities to good use though, like I said. < 1302753313 978993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also PicoLisp has a cool integrated database. < 1302753323 743035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog-style. Integrated into the language. < 1302753329 424760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fun < 1302753365 861818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still the interpreter is smaller than newLISP (at least on many platforms). < 1302753375 762837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :296 Kio statically-linked interpreter for the OpenWRT distribution. < 1302753411 715050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would you anger at me if I focused on understanding PicoLisp better than Common Lisp? < 1302753412 806665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a built in web server/framework, I guess because they're trying to demonstrate their magical technology to compress any feature imaginable into a 3 byte binary. < 1302753431 838901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am way beyond caring. < 1302753436 569036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what you want. < 1302753563 592453 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't bothered with common lisp yet (learned scheme first; from what I know I prefer it more too, and currently have little use for common lisp) < 1302753572 800331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1302753583 644678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"milliseconds per megabyte" is fast? < 1302753588 271663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For garbage collection/ < 1302753593 687087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp isn't a particularly nice language. It's not bad though. < 1302753600 227767 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302753620 642000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind being forced to code Common Lisp for money, to use the Spark terminology :p < 1302753624 120837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *payed < 1302753688 4882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Depends how many milliseconds. < 1302753709 956752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what megabytes are being measured: live megabytes? garbage? total allocated? < 1302753716 483885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hardly matters anyway. < 1302753727 329825 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302753763 655788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wittykitty: who's a kitty, YOU'RE A KITTY < 1302753766 644388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YOU ARE < 1302753792 933477 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I AM!!! < 1302753796 483274 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1302753863 456618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it PicoLisp doesn't particularly like floating-point numbers < 1302753894 11170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume you know what this channel is about :P < 1302753977 611495 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, if my dictionary is correct. < 1302754004 45578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wittykitty: Your dictionary might not take into account the fact that freenode is primarily computing-related topics :) < 1302754017 762863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about esoteric programming langauges, but it's almost never on topic. < 1302754026 620746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: picolisp just has fixed-point < 1302754068 12759 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if anyone starts having an active conversation on programming languages, I'll just sit back and watch quietly lol. < 1302754087 600301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's happening right now :D < 1302754118 306732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...brackets are super parentheses < 1302754130 407802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that will make code uncomfortably readable, or readable < 1302754140 337271 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps quiet and watches
< 1302754140 801583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, uncomfortably unreadable < 1302754157 871388 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a super parenthesis < 1302754160 748664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceiling kitty is watching you talk about programming languages. < 1302754176 29414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: parentheses that save the world < 1302754183 728557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: afaict, nobody uses ] < 1302754192 884293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong though :) < 1302754202 969157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ((((] # That ] closes those parens < 1302754211 385366 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh < 1302754211 863780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty obvious when it'd be used though, i.e. at the end of definitions and nowhere else < 1302754216 541875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i doubt most people count the parens there < 1302754219 229094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is pretty gross :) < 1302754223 195453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(([((])) < 1302754225 965107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the example code uses it though so whatever < 1302754235 273065 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I let vim do my paren counting < 1302754315 734730 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd be comfortable with ] at all; I imagine it would feel rather unbalanced < 1302754338 766909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does PicoLisp contain a crappy crippled vi clone? < 1302754369 798820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: me too. < 1302754373 695904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's not really crappy or crippled? < 1302754386 22934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi (not vim) is a very small piece of software, they just wrote their own tuned for their language. < 1302754391 445534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it does the "x" as underlined x thing :) < 1302754400 10727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it's a good show-off of ncurses, etc. capability. < 1302754400 367434 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paren counting for ] < 1302754408 665671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1302754420 343214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, i've never heard of ] before now, and i've read quite a bit of picolisp code < 1302754430 487983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not that much. but a bit! < 1302754434 117309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i really need to sleep. < 1302754443 569641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: btw scheme 9 from empty space also has a "crappy crippled" vi clone :) < 1302754508 985193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok really sleep < 1302754725 597836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to know: Is there a reason PicoLisp varargs act as though there could be a potentially infinite number of passed args? < 1302754738 970723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a list, it's functions to get the current or next argument < 1302754816 130470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302755065 827704 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302755668 436585 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1302756777 847125 :wittykitty!~kitty@wnpgmb11dc2-234-10.1x.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: wittykitty < 1302756817 532291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a path starts with an at-mark ('@'), the rest (without the '@') is taken as the name of a Lisp function to be called. All arguments following the question mark are passed to that function." < 1302756833 890612 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I'm going to go ahead and _not_ use PicoLisp for public-facing websites < 1302756879 190158 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, n/m < 1302758083 36454 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302758168 652167 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302758185 649152 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1302758299 316073 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ick at the overuse of pl, but otherwise "neat" < 1302761028 413353 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302761049 916038 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302761942 13903 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302761970 874687 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302762164 175381 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302762209 128662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302762455 920655 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1302762498 581099 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo cheater , cheater- < 1302762529 288604 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1302763792 31949 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@211.111.217.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302765015 990670 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302766188 522105 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1302766744 9379 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302767014 581579 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302767180 669905 :cheater!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302767315 965648 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302768795 898187 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302768807 53569 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone. < 1302768817 376992 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who is this newsham person anyway. < 1302768852 80276 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new sham / news ham < 1302768901 952716 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a ham that reads out the headlines? < 1302768952 408594 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1302769116 59139 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302769169 837735 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:57:15: looks like there's about 25 crats too < 1302769182 209917 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the number being larger than that... < 1302769270 15090 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302770769 974547 :Phantom_Hoover!5230e4ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.48.228.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302771421 41520 :cheater-!~cheater@g224202197.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302771447 585179 :cheater99!~cheater@g224200075.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302771908 486973 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302771954 852783 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo patashu, patashu. oh he's gone < 1302773280 742091 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@93.105.167.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302774597 811615 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@93.105.167.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302775310 593917 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302775882 858037 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302776617 346471 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1302776685 347362 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302777168 830269 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest rumour on APNIC: Those 523 008 addresses are gone now. No information on possible returns/revocations. < 1302777188 997077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1302777214 686558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think will happen in Asia as a result? business mostly as usual, but getting steadily worse as time goes on? mass hysteria? somewhere in between? < 1302777277 69198 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1302777297 562995 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, there are some large temp allocations that will get released eventually. < 1302777355 754278 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, there's even a such /10(!). Of course, such blocks would get gobbled up fast when returned. < 1302777421 823958 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be intersting to see the APNIC delegated-extended file for today when it appears in about 5 hours. < 1302777530 116043 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huston estimate appears to be 2 days to depletion (depletion may already happened). < 1302777639 268360 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this depletion widget's estimate of APNIC address space usage is about 100 addresses per second. :-) < 1302778114 169807 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that the security problems with external Javashit frameworks are a good bit worse than I previously thought. :-/ < 1302778791 889834 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302778818 88229 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302778818 616520 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1302779740 380945 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302780009 882821 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302780755 116821 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302781975 192345 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302782547 645433 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302783307 299775 :cheater99!~cheater@g224200075.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302785677 425384 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302788121 541386 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302788258 643739 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302788768 856239 :cheater99!~cheater@g231050029.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302788834 433470 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302789080 609602 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC delegated-exteneded should be out in about one and half hours. :-) < 1302789761 779482 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302791312 901147 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302791658 598679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302792950 9799 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302794278 230821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : APNIC delegated-exteneded should be out in about one and half hours. :-) <-- hm? < 1302794323 330127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is delegated-extended? < 1302794351 818370 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128240.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302794403 820904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a file that will incidentally reveal whether APNIC has completely run out yet < 1302794416 405565 :cheater99!~cheater@g231050029.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302794435 667307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah. So what is its main purpose then? < 1302794475 126899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it lists who owns which prefixes or something like that, but am not sure of the details < 1302794485 261969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you have native ipv6 yet btw? < 1302794486 423238 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, it's around that day today isn't it < 1302794488 820525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the "resellers" who handle the small allocations for APNIC < 1302794491 129157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't tihnk so < 1302794502 889125 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1302794504 254343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on either of my borrowed connections < 1302794513 363245 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302794538 234961 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sometimes there are misconfigured laptops on the university wlan that broadcasts ipv6 tunnels < 1302794551 309163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, broadcast that they are ipv6 routers < 1302794556 989884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? < 1302794559 978372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they just lying? < 1302794566 394359 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 16k+8k to Australia, 35x2k+120x1k+240x512+707x256 to China, /32+/48 to India. < 1302794572 70368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I tested connecting using one to kame, worked < 1302794583 459849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, their uptime is pretty unreliable < 1302794599 654291 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so are they out yet? < 1302794625 364673 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only addresses listed available are in the final 103/8 block, so yes. < 1302794642 936703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what? 707 /24 to China? < 1302794649 227068 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302794664 162997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they end up with spread out /24 in the first place? < 1302794699 143871 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that stuff to china is a single allocation (I didn't check). All those 1 102 fragments that is. < 1302794715 145642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302794734 808971 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it si. < 1302794736 727971 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1302794747 965209 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that should be /32+2x/48 to India. < 1302794760 631889 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, you mean like one continuous range, but that doesn't fit to a CIDR? < 1302794761 952397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1302794784 199466 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numerious ranges. < 1302794805 623098 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, okay, that raises the question again. How did they end up with spread out /24s in various places... < 1302794834 649043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what reason would a RIR have to end up fragmenting it at that level? < 1302794848 586492 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 1.0.1.x, 1.1.0.x, etc... < 1302794864 998580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302794865 820612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :those < 1302794868 221849 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numerious sizes of blocks to allocate. < 1302794887 826595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I thought it was Africa that got the 1.0.0.0/8 ? < 1302794889 368308 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 1/8 having /24s too contaminated to use doesn't help any. < 1302794900 180700 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was APNIC that got 1/8. < 1302794903 418360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1302794974 910212 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, aren't those actually contaminated /32 in some cases? Like 1.2.3.4. It seems less likely that, for example, 1.2.3.83 would be as contaminated < 1302794990 886570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess handing out sub-/24 would be annoying < 1302795012 663499 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, only RIR that does that is RIPE NCC. < 1302795029 88650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, RIPE hands out sub-/24? Wow < 1302795058 405345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302795059 818767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, what is the estimates for RIPE depletion? < 1302795078 226140 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it likely to be next? < 1302795083 887587 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 039 093 /32s remaining (514 806 to allocate to reach half-block threshold). < 1302795102 415649 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, RIPE is likely next. They themselves say "this year". < 1302795105 313457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so, which month does that put us in? < 1302795151 894313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy to have a ipv6 tunnel now, that is all I can say. And that the ISPs suck. < 1302795158 844942 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen quality estimates. Yes, Lagerholm's site has estimates, but those RIR depletion estimates seems way out there. < 1302795170 910687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302795188 695065 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so I guess now, the attention will turn from APNIC to RIPE NCC? < 1302795216 156966 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. Also interesting to follow IPv6 allocation rates at APNIC. < 1302795259 467579 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1302795500 805886 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today some idiots made article titled "Why you shouldn't worry about switching to IPv6 now". Nice to make article like that on RIR X-day. < 1302795531 179302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302795598 937878 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How that reminds me of Bagdad Bob? :-) < 1302795608 890049 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1302795623 485012 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iraqi information minister. < 1302795648 569165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay, what happened there then? < 1302795660 399431 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302795680 889508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I think that the allocation policy used for ipv6 is utterly stupid. < 1302795684 309367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too large blocks. < 1302795698 391639 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for you, one for me < 1302795712 135114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :something between a /48 and a /64 would be best for end user allocation. < 1302795745 112414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay, you want stateless auto config, maybe you want multiple subnets. But something like a /56 or so would work fine... < 1302795855 429808 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime numbers are best, of course < 1302795863 714959 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All IPv6 allocations from all RIRs combined wouldn't bring even one RIR to half-block threshold (and IIRC not even 3x that amount). < 1302796000 352187 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh iwc comic number 3000 today. Heh. < 1302796026 72168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why < 1302796035 39255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they make you think < 1302796040 483704 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really make you think < 1302796046 473994 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potaroo.net says /14.8219 (636934199443459 /64s). Slightly old info (no todays allocations), but. < 1302796077 359893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm. < 1302796095 505623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, fro APNIC or? < 1302796097 175991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from* < 1302796100 167602 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :World. < 1302796147 868584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so a total of 636934199443459 /64s allocated. Okay. Any stats on how many separate allocations make up that? < 1302796151 177836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :on RIR level I mean < 1302796194 971735 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newest APNIC figures: /17.2323 (119808693370883 /64s). < 1302796196 522798 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have a /48 for my tunnel, measuring in /64s might not be that sane. I use exactly one /64 in it < 1302796275 327864 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, looking up how many individual allocations make up that world figure. For APNIC, it is 1 748 allocations. < 1302796337 283365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, a LOT less in other words. Though I guess they are /32s to LIRs mostly < 1302796368 775107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect finding how many end user allocations there are would be tricky, for a start how do you define an end user. < 1302796372 373852 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are total of 1492 member IDs. 1400 of those only have one single block. < 1302796396 395537 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Member IDs with IPv6 allocations, that is. < 1302796402 898264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302796428 40951 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Allocations to LIR are just shown as single allocation with no substructure. < 1302796529 216015 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7777 IPv6 allocations worldwide (but that doesn't include ones done today). < 1302796556 465913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302796574 529378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, it would be more interesting to look on LIR level I guess. Though a lot more work. < 1302796576 774856 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some members have multiple blocks. I guess those are mostly LIRs. < 1302796587 380145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302796602 714552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, wait a second, are there some entities that aren't LIRs that ask RIRs for IPs? < 1302796613 768636 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to get such data. Looking at how much that BR LIR that has IPv6 /16(!) has allocated could be interesting. < 1302796653 764720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I thought IANA allocated for RIRs, which allocated for LIRs, which allocated for everyone else? < 1302796672 331585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where everyone else would be ISPs mostly, possibly some large companies too) < 1302796708 688742 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some ISPs and even companies allocate directly from RIR. < 1302796729 501241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1302796739 202079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what are the LIRs for then? < 1302796745 977080 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1302796746 450428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1302796751 65469 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to APNIC pricing, not probably done a lot in that region, but even some private individuals have address space obtained from RIR. < 1302796753 989767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oy < 1302796786 807476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, how weird < 1302796816 813561 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and not just address space, also a ASN. < 1302796834 11492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so, has APNIC issued any press release or such about this depletion? < 1302796860 31986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, you mean, that there is some private individual who got an ASN from a RIR? < 1302796909 914531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, if so I wonder why. The only reason I can think of would be multi-homing. But that seems somewhat absurd still. < 1302796930 837691 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, private individual with ASN. I haven't seen such press release yet. < 1302796968 467790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, any info on who that person is? < 1302797027 392597 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Owen DeLong has ASN + PI space from ARIN. Probably others as well. < 1302797038 43737 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302797049 110491 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, PI? < 1302797062 71470 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Provoder Independent < 1302797077 630037 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302797102 148350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302797157 71489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, is there any risk of running out of ASNs btw? < 1302797178 517229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302797216 394311 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is, especially since ASN space expansion gave 4 billion new free ASNs. < 1302797232 490964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, that sounds like IPv4 size heh < 1302797250 708987 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302797311 220821 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302797347 33331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302797432 16789 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are (slightly old info) 12262 legacy ASNs available. Estimated depletion in 2013. < 1302797442 751584 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302797462 782672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302797481 285060 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, how well upgraded is the infrastructure for non-legacy ASNs? < 1302797511 385522 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea really. One can also work around lack of equipement support for 32-bit ASNs. < 1302797525 653753 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one can configure static routes) < 1302797604 879366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302797705 941896 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have one manually configured IPv6 route here: One /48 is routed to eth0. < 1302797795 905334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, well yes I have one too, because this computer acts as a router for the rest of the network < 1302797867 893552 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also one /128 automatically configured route within that /48 pointing to loopback (routes always operate on "longest-match"). < 1302797917 311294 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302797926 492500 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So /128 is preferred over /48 if both match. < 1302798318 633670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, actually I have two manual routes it seems like. One for the /64 I use. One for null-routing the rest of the /48 < 1302798460 457492 :cheater99!~cheater@e181142070.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302798469 651557 :cheater00!~cheater@e181128240.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302798645 955771 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just send the entiere block to LAN, without nullrouting anything. < 1302799230 457473 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, well, since I use stateless autoconfig, nothing except that /64 will actually be used < 1302799567 326512 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302799666 647699 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nullrouting might be good to avoid ping-pong and neighbor cache DOSes, but I don't think there is going to be ping-pong from sending extra traffic to LAN. < 1302799776 537098 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302799986 382786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, seems more prudent to null route unused space < 1302799986 545667 :cheater99!~cheater@e181142070.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302800018 108568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, the main issue I found was getting the routing computer to be accessible over ipv6. That took some work < 1302800039 256672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess once you know about it... < 1302800245 620064 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-249.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302800580 841813 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302800618 558066 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have finally found out what elliott's last name means < 1302800619 932222 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd < 1302800635 232680 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURD is a mutually recursive acronym, standing for HIRD of Unix-replacing daemons, where HIRD stands for HURD of interfaces representing depth. < 1302800706 529755 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302801605 112127 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302802233 63802 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, now the shown depletion rate is about 200 addresses per second. < 1302802275 711129 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exciting < 1302802312 395868 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For APNIC, except that RIR has already been depleted). < 1302802424 604991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We chose this example by noting that services are always monadic (i.e., taking a single argument instead of a tuple of arguments) < 1302802426 280446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1302802428 88541 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302802444 449910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind broke for two seconds, before I realized I overdosed on Haskell < 1302802560 590834 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302803330 959185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302803450 953014 :[PACIFIER-PC]!~PACIFIER-@112.198.78.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302803660 495787 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amusing that gnu spent more effort coming up with a retarded name for hurd than it did in writing the software < 1302803691 388302 :[PACIFIER-PC]!~PACIFIER-@112.198.78.128 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302803815 511042 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hah, now the shown depletion rate is about 200 addresses per second. <-- so it is pretty much fake then? < 1302803840 707269 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the address countdown is. < 1302803863 298785 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its showing APNIC at 1 block out of 47. < 1302804036 789582 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got yer ipv6 yet? < 1302804065 79352 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- orange.kame.net ping6 statistics --- < 1302804065 242813 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss < 1302804065 393033 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 210.903/210.904/210.904/0.000 ms < 1302804090 454236 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302804158 438562 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302804162 809364 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrionsArm < 1302804165 765846 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, interesting. < 1302804316 807085 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is online collaborative fiction? just a common theme to inspire art works? or some kinda online game? < 1302804499 335091 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Online collaborative setting. < 1302804529 586218 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reusing the same words isnt helping myunderstnading :) < 1302804561 880921 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hard SF transhuman collaborative setting. < 1302804582 95813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about collaborating online < 1302804589 18096 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blech, the initiator of it is a libertarian eurosceptic. < 1302804596 100454 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so git. < 1302804612 3653 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a combination that inspires confidence. < 1302804622 962860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: hmm, APNIC is definitely depleted, then? < 1302804665 25783 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a combination of people working on independant scifi but collaborating on a general framework and theme? < 1302804678 256564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"multi-authored online science fiction world-building project" < 1302804718 70420 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: kind of, I think. < 1302804732 178813 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, they have a wiki-y thing that serves as a reference. < 1302804737 777984 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there can be blocks outside 103/8 that are released back to available, but at least for time being, no addresses outside the final /8 to allocate. < 1302804747 690490 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the general quality of writing in such projects, I refuse to read the actual fiction. < 1302804764 463576 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it seems nobody here is quite exactly sure what it is.. next question -- do the people participating know what ti is? < 1302804766 868647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, oh, so the final /8 is still left? < 1302804770 912776 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the idea to be so vague as to ensure success? :) < 1302804790 243437 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I quite like SCP though, which probably counts as online collaborative fiction too < 1302804823 748513 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but allocations from the final /8 are much more restricted than previously. < 1302804927 255379 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that nobody bothered to stop nortel selling address blocks during bankruptcy < 1302804937 356248 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the market wont be entirely a black one < 1302804963 189425 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, same kind of deal in terms of method. < 1302804984 643612 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why am I acting like I know. < 1302805001 996079 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read the TV Tropes entry and skimmed the reference site. < 1302805014 111185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :admit it: you write online collaborative fiction! < 1302805120 8115 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1302805278 655237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADMIT IT < 1302805342 863467 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOO < 1302805352 824122 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are a libertarian euroskeptic. < 1302805352 974323 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN ANYTHING OF MY OWN VOLITION EVER < 1302805379 312648 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a euroskeptic skeptical about? < 1302805393 668698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :euro! < 1302805455 460238 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure europe exists. < 1302805458 666982 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the currency? < 1302805473 873933 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Ha, you actually believe Europe exists? < 1302805477 665400 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People believe such silly lies. < 1302805479 494254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe exists? I'm not so sure, I haven't seen it < 1302805487 92127 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the world is flat btw. < 1302805491 948783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, are you sure? < 1302805492 125832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maps can be faked) < 1302805494 409602 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat and Europe-free. < 1302805496 567002 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to paris, berlin, prague and vienna. or at least thats what they want you to believe. < 1302805509 638348 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: That's what they want YOU to believe! < 1302805522 735695 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paris is actually just Hoboken. < 1302805533 970909 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain the disdain for americans < 1302805534 143824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have gone to a place called paris, BUT: does that mean you were in europe? < 1302805540 477371 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, same principle as the sets in Holy Wood. Just somewhat more detailed on the backside < 1302805574 11964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like to Holy Wood YOUR backside < 1302805574 442818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302805580 291674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that < 1302805588 771964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302805612 510349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! *HER < 1302805635 149366 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302805820 312605 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:22] what is a euroskeptic skeptical about? < 1302805823 768115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw crap, redirects will not work perfectly either... browsers are way too sensible, they will have limits on the number of redirects they follow < 1302805828 651462 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK's membership of the EU. < 1302805935 382368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that saves me the trouble of implementing it, I guess < 1302806011 851269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, of implementing what? < 1302806030 461692 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk's membership for the eu < 1302806039 80797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: changing my thue to mod_rewrite compiler to do redirects instead of rewriting < 1302806072 355924 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1302806168 97179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, I'm not even sure if redirects actually make apache start a new "request", or if the old one keeps handling the redirected-to url < 1302806185 918515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the whole problem is that apache never frees any memory while handling a request) < 1302806252 822182 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the client at least sends a whole new request; it would be most logical for Apache to treat it as a completely new thing too. < 1302806334 820877 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is the limit of redirections clients follow, I think 20 is a common number for that. < 1302806429 152760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was 8 or so < 1302806474 494085 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox (at least this one; it's network.http.redirection-limit in about:config) and wget default to 20, curl defaults to 50. < 1302806953 804298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302806966 501121 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody family are clamouring again... < 1302806985 214350 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then you should stop stabbing them. Then they would stop being so bloody AND (probably) stop clamoring. < 1302807141 280444 :cheater_!~cheater@p5099e3f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302807224 591059 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302808003 776347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302808267 665006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302808344 862013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees some PicoLisp code
< 1302808345 891639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(de *Straight `west `east `south `north) < 1302808358 717180 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... in retrospect.. sensible < 1302808559 917781 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302808776 789178 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/machine/fractran2.py < 1302808799 205273 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :done with vector of storage cells and test/decr/add ops instead of fractions < 1302808872 42513 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone written a compiler for generating fractrans programs from something higher level? < 1302809060 218710 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302809170 884499 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302809211 649910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably cheating! but "curl -L --max-redirs 200000 URL" works fine, hopefully this will print "hello world" in a while < 1302809246 375179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though going by the access logs, the brainfuck program hasn't even printed 'h' yet < 1302809327 353027 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only using about 1/100th of the bandwidth... I guess it's latency limited < 1302809390 418684 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should optimize it a bit so every step doesn't require a redirect < 1302809549 96393 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what in blue blazes are you doing with some HTTP-redirect-based BF interpreter or some such nonsense? :P < 1302809577 33290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, not a BF interpreter... a Thue interpreter :) < 1302809603 312018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that my favourite example Thue program is a BF interpreter < 1302809612 736299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my favourite example BF program is hello world < 1302809615 303737 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does one step of reduction then redirects the browser? < 1302809634 244569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the HTTP Location: header I assume? < 1302809639 226532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to try to do all steps as internal redirects, but that just makes apache explode < 1302809678 796826 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want it not to boink browsers, you should either use refresh (which will still boink browsers but they may not notice :P ) or JS document.location.href = "whatever" < 1302809873 229069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it printed something: 1000001_1011011_1100010_1100010_1100101_11101_1010000_1100101_1101000_1100010_1011010_11110_1001_ :D < 1302809924 150667 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that too, gregor, but disadvantage is that you couldnt use curl < 1302809957 313817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, sure, but that's annoying, then I have to redirect to a script or something that outputs an actual response < 1302809991 119235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, I do that at the end to print the result, but only at the end and only once < 1302810047 927313 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: True. < 1302810277 748094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm trying to decide in what universe you're operating where putting a Location: header is easy but having a response below that is hard ... < 1302810322 295775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that output definitely isn't "hello world", it starts with "A[bbe" < 1302810350 395764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the universe of mod_rewrite < 1302810402 550514 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh < 1302810408 565921 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lawd, that's terrifying X-D < 1302810454 36431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it involves a compiler written in sed < 1302810477 679736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a trivial compiler, but still it's a compiler. technically.) < 1302810737 705174 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if esoteric programming languages spike in popularity during a recession < 1302810915 777932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the BF program is correct at least... I wonder if the bf interpreter is what's wrong < 1302810963 915536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be something evil like accidentally doing replacements in the output < 1302810994 862278 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In final 30 days, APNIC burned through 40 710 400 addresses (2.427 blocks). < 1302811047 818165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302811070 216760 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: RIPE challenged them to a race to the finish. < 1302811098 129297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... has anyone built a sed in sed? < 1302811114 518443 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you mean in multistep-sed? < 1302811153 445199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :multistep-sed? < 1302811171 855191 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, applying sed repeatedly to reach a fixed point or other terminal condition. < 1302811191 794055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds like cheating < 1302811226 704156 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's powerful enough without, although it certainly could be, it's got a lot of Darke Artse I never really use :P < 1302811245 264871 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has conditional branching and all, I'm pretty sure you can do ~anything. < 1302811282 453122 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[2addr]t [label] < 1302811282 670233 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Test. Branch to the : command verb bearing the label if any substitutions have been made since the most recent reading of an input line or execution of a t. If label is not specified, branch to the end of the script." < 1302811314 326937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one input though (stdin), so there'd have to be some magic involved to get the sed script into your interpreter and also get the input file/stream < 1302811364 765904 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302811365 176513 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yowza, that's not even a conditional /block/, it's a conditional /goto/. < 1302811368 667147 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, with that, probably TC. < 1302811371 89642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of the gnu extensions can be used to treat the first file as the script, and remaining files as input, encoding the whole script and its hold space inside hold space < 1302811387 276241 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: GNU sed can use the 'e' command to pipe input from shell to the pattern space. < 1302811414 662125 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or evaluate whatever's in the pattern space.) < 1302811427 716197 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.18 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302811470 950495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think it's obviously TC since it can implement any kind of string rewriting... if you have infinite memory, that is < 1302811480 528541 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even POSIX sed has the 'r' command to read multiple files, but I guess it doesn't count since it's just "read and write directly to stdout", you can't really do much with it. < 1302811511 49517 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Single-step string rewriting without recursion or iteration is not TC. < 1302811519 699203 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It was the iteration I didn't know it had. < 1302811529 25579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, you can put sed in a loop yes < 1302811616 855659 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302811617 5953 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302811617 6112 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302811647 43859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: using 'e' is probably cheating :) < 1302811672 712085 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, combining program and input in one file has long traditions too. < 1302811674 400244 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoucement from APNIC Secretariat that they are in phase three exhaustion. < 1302811701 725825 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phase three is when the ritual suicide starts, right? < 1302811703 469048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if making a real challenge out of it I think you'd only be allowed to use e to implement the e command :) < 1302811766 58363 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302811858 389059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302811947 579701 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Regarding your mod-rewrite and "I don't want to make a script" thing: how about Location:-redirecting into a data: URL which contains a HTML page with /javascript redirection? < 1302811992 30151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, that's a good idea! < 1302812023 832680 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some rather strange values of "good", I guess. < 1302812143 368474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would mean that you never have to leave the safe and sane environment of URL rewriting and redirection < 1302812161 322275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if redirection to data: url:s works as it should, that is < 1302812389 844069 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ip addresses are exhausted today. < 1302812437 741092 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, you can always just redirect to a static .html file which takes the query string and location.href='s that; then the non-mod_rewrite part is at least quite minimal. (I don't really know how well browsers catch redirect loops when it comes to non-HTTP-level redirecting.) < 1302813238 632349 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302813289 94609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, this is only 25% slower than the python implementation of thue < 1302813320 295350 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 25% slower than Python! < 1302813331 806716 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to invent something to make that the slogan of. < 1302813341 905095 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey, how about Plof. < 1302813388 554110 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is by doing one http request per rewrite, instead of just doing some string replacement in python < 1302813421 619838 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUDICROUSLY INEFFICIENT HTTP: only 25% slower than Python! < 1302813435 295535 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl: only 25% slower than Python! < 1302813453 479041 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress on the HURD: only 25% slower than Python! < 1302813460 21805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my implementation isn't particularly optimized though, I might be able to even the odds a bit < 1302813467 446360 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A snail: only 25% slower than Python. < 1302813657 426051 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python: providing up to 20% speedups for existing snail-based solutions. < 1302813692 789773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302813900 106012 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: only 25% slower than Python! < 1302813939 516177 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I: Accidentally utterly broke my GRUB install, then fixed it from Mac OS X by booting with my ext partition as a HD in qemu with a GNU/Linux boot CD. < 1302814026 804343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angus "Gregor" MacGyver < 1302814033 580880 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137049.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302814162 719109 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer vmware. < 1302814173 837952 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although them giving out all their customers information isnt helping < 1302814211 634520 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it not require exchange of MONIES? < 1302814221 976580 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does vmware even allow you to give an arbitrary file (in this case, in fact, a block device) as a hard disk? < 1302814229 979405 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. thankfully my employer did the exchange. < 1302814236 244796 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use vmware player for free. < 1302814244 328535 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isnt too bad if you know how to edit the config files < 1302814260 88582 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: you can use block devs, yes.. arbitrary files, no. < 1302814287 115754 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do the "fetch files from a Linux partition on a dual-boot system when in Windows" operation using VirtualBox, though VirtualBox's way of configuring a "pass-through" style raw disk partition is quite horrible. < 1302814371 297968 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to do something like "vboxmanage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename blah.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive0" to make a vmware .vmdk file for the raw disk; then that .vmdk file can be attached with the VirtualBox GUI. < 1302814410 768629 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no gui option? < 1302814479 630890 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, no. (At least in the open-sores edition... though I guess that's quite close to the commercial one nowadays.) < 1302814509 56631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"open-sores" :D I don't think I've seen that pun before < 1302814515 223689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's so obvious in hindsight < 1302814520 742656 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were the pun master. < 1302814521 836414 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIZZIE STOLE IT FROM FOXTROT 'CUZ HE'S A LOSER < 1302814539 532162 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm questioning your pun credentials < 1302814551 783569 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's the one with terrible puns. < 1302814557 546075 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry < 1302814562 277785 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :carry on then :) < 1302814567 548932 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION : Pun free since twenty-oh-three.
< 1302814588 718762 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he who would pun would pick a pocket. < 1302814601 483973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pun free fun spree? < 1302814739 954966 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-249.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302814880 685720 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302815545 391017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302815656 371713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Today I: Accidentally utterly broke my GRUB install, then fixed it from Mac OS X by booting with my ext partition as a HD in qemu with a GNU/Linux boot CD. <-- how did you break it? < 1302815667 270398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doing it with a plain boot cd would have worked just as well < 1302815729 356864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, at least grub 1 used to be ridiculously hard to break < 1302815734 782083 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used grub 2 much yet < 1302815752 852716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was much easier in the lilo days < 1302815753 726678 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when it comes to bootloaders I'm definitely "don't replace what works") < 1302815756 924329 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to break it, I mean < 1302815760 474472 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I know < 1302815777 638256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok :) < 1302815782 245421 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used lido < 1302815784 270191 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilo* < 1302815786 790367 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf at that typo < 1302815819 139910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heck I have a software RAID 1 setup. I can boot from either disk. Trivial to make it work with grub. Just install from grub shell giving different root arguments for the different disks < 1302815828 263038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that is root maps I think < 1302815858 686315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, PH disappeared < 1302815871 708986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster than python now, by 15% < 1302815875 581937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, another good thing with grub 1 is that it doesn't update! Means no annoying "gah I hope this doesn't break" moments < 1302815891 273615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how insane. Is that a very bad implementation in python? < 1302815898 469044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know python is horribly slow < 1302815909 481351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it shouldn't be slower than doing it by TCP requests < 1302815931 881874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :slower than mod_rewrite. Sure. < 1302815935 461051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think it's supposed to be fast, the implementation in python < 1302815938 629234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not than redirect < 1302815942 173890 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1302815949 284068 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302815969 362511 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, 1) find string, 2) replace ... not too many opportunities for slowing things down < 1302815998 284574 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1302816004 825090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. I just got a notification pop up. With the title of the program, and it's icon. But no message. < 1302816006 137434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ^ < 1302816017 650408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktorrent did it < 1302816047 149239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, part 5 download finished hours before part 4 will be done < 1302816057 536712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's a bug in this somewhere, Hello in "Hello World!" comes out as "A[bbe < 1302816065 547120 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah. < 1302816078 263505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, isn't that rot-15? < 1302816102 747740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait < 1302816116 113222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that looks to me like the code point simply is offset < 1302816238 476707 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr.(+10).ord) "A[bbe" < 1302816240 122937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Kello" < 1302816288 497846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:37:47: A snail: only 25% slower than Python. < 1302816288 648245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:40:57: Python: providing up to 20% speedups for existing snail-based solutions. < 1302816291 971365 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*33% < 1302816482 350256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full wrong output is: 1000001_1011011_1100010_1100010_1100101_11101_1010000_1100101_1101000_1100010_1011010_11110_1001_ < 1302816495 608811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in _-delimited binary :) < 1302816652 520989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems to be off by about 10% < 1302816657 162086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1302816678 20941 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :15% faster, 10% less accurate < 1302816800 3713 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it would appear comments on a postcard did not update today < 1302816930 70128 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If Python takes 1 second to do a thing, then the snail (being 25% slower) will take 1.25*1s = 1.25s, and the speedup when switching from the snail architecture to Python is then (1.25-1)/1.25 = 20%. < 1302817000 609204 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1302817036 344057 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare I be factual, eh? < 1302817051 492419 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that _is_ just one interpretation. < 1302817065 901947 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-20-232.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302817095 8242 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is, if python does 4 things per second, then the snail (being 25% slower) will do 3. etc. < 1302817302 116491 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is 1 + .25 = 25% slower? < 1302817319 868912 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i mean.. :) < 1302817324 141368 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds exactly right to me < 1302817453 993070 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-20-232.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302817498 783875 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302817548 445160 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I'm tired with my superiority complex failing to activate on Redditors. < 1302817634 905232 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat. < 1302817683 966603 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw, I beat python by 15% in a newer benchmark < 1302817687 471633 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to notice that many of them are quite clearly people for whom I would ordinarily have nothing but contempt. < 1302817711 21093 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: SLIGHTLY LESS INEFFICIENT HTTP: only 15% slower than Python! < 1302817754 988888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the result is 10% wrong: as in the difference between each output character and the actual result is around 10% of the ascii code of the correct character) < 1302817767 578992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no no, *faster* than python < 1302817791 529722 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1302817813 891854 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-2-28.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302817898 633425 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302817946 64308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means the last 10% of "Hello World!" will be the hardest < 1302818074 53434 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302818261 753344 :Phantom_Hoover!4f29f1e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.41.241.233 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1302818451 482600 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302818749 869774 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you manage to get 10% off characters :D < 1302818861 901299 :ineiros_!~itniemin@cs27065016.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1302819146 332240 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-2-28.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302819768 958056 :Maharba!~Maharba@dsl-68-170-177-190.dhcp.cruzio.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302819799 376973 :Maharba!~Maharba@dsl-68-170-177-190.dhcp.cruzio.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1302820907 595842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess that means the last 10% of "Hello World!" will be the hardest <-- huh? < 1302820930 871289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1302820934 147007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I see. < 1302820945 890869 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so... not even constant offset? < 1302820973 124263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how absurd < 1302820999 216870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, night < 1302820999 405227 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this madness < 1302821016 869311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, someone spoke, just as I pressed power button on the monitor. How rude. < 1302821018 248602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1302821024 474985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares at oerjan
< 1302821043 171502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the madness you are talking about? < 1302821062 313045 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 10% off Hello World < 1302821066 445269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1302821138 721313 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs imply something about bf in thue in mod_rewrite < 1302821141 272280 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well... 'z'- 10% would be rather different than '1'-10% for example (weird notation I know) < 1302821157 69079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh yes he is doing thue in mod_rewrite I know < 1302821161 206675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I missed the bit about bf < 1302821177 269543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh and it is faster than some python thue implementation < 1302821183 105866 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't write the bf in thue did he... < 1302821191 18112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, possibly not < 1302821210 255078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe he used such a program for testing? < 1302821265 188246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or are you saying bf in thue is new? < 1302821269 479244 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mod_rewrite is a kind of regexp rewriting language? < 1302821272 92760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1302821285 730558 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering where the 10% off thing would creep in... < 1302821293 243043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mod_rewrite is a module for the apache web server that allows you to rewrite the URLs based on regexp yes < 1302821296 506088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or redirect too < 1302821310 980852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i guess olsner is treating it as an esolang... < 1302821318 289206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1302821331 661656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, where "rewrite" means "redirect behind the scenes, never tell the browser" < 1302821339 462051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has had ideas of implementing thue in /// as well
< 1302821355 66762 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do it 20% faster than the python implementation! < 1302821363 284737 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Itflabtijtslwi for input < 1302821380 490684 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how long does it take for you to write out that name? < 1302821389 174461 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i keep stopping at the point where i realize thue has _worse_ IO than Itflabtijtslwi < 1302821412 184376 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, shouldn't that make it easier? < 1302821418 8641 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well this time Itflabti came automatically and then i had to recall the acronym < 1302821429 24456 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1302821460 362192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier maybe, but mainly it makes thue somehow less interesting < 1302821477 430276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't BF IO-complete as you call it < 1302821479 690990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302821508 255300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, BF-complete is quite a useful baseline. I think it was ehird who invented the term. < 1302821516 911925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly wasn't me who invented it. < 1302821525 303281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302821528 932443 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302821531 797159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of the... < 1302821538 993451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what is the English idiom? < 1302821546 416055 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the devil, i believe < 1302821548 985119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tala om trollen" in Swedish < 1302821567 748246 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Når man snakker om sola" in norwegian < 1302821575 391734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302821577 879266 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... så skinner den) < 1302821606 897587 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in Swedish I think the end is "så står de på förstutrappen" (I have no clue how to spell that last word...) < 1302821629 838010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people often seem to cut idioms in half in Swedish. < 1302821638 755022 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the longer ones < 1302821661 470118 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :förstutrappen looks logical to me, but i may not know the correct spelling of the individual parts < 1302821668 419189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, it's "När man talar om trollet så står det i farstun" says wikipedia. < 1302821678 650720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar < 1302821681 509595 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah the "så skinner den" part is frequently left out in norwegian too < 1302821694 112874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm pretty sure I heard it in plural form in Swedish < 1302821699 617066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trollen, not trollet) < 1302821710 460766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be local variations I guess < 1302821721 979258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it mentions that too < 1302821738 664761 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Siinä paha missä mainitaan" in Finnish; lit. "there the evil where it was mentioned" or some-such. < 1302821761 746745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second. This give us an evility scale < 1302821772 820442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say: Norwegian - Swedish - Finnish & English < 1302821782 427850 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? sun, troll, devil/evil < 1302821784 903430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302821793 177969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what implications this have (if any) < 1302821915 322602 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speak_of_the_devil is quite interesting. Includes a summary of different languages < 1302821939 676896 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe scandinavians of old times didn't like to mention the devil. especially if they believed the idiom... < 1302821948 453572 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302821955 772330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I should try talking about the sun the next time it starts raining and I forgot my umbrella < 1302821968 956919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... < 1302821974 324129 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i don't think it works that way < 1302821979 126466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still shines. Behind the clouds. < 1302821987 62943 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes it does. It is the clouds that don't < 1302821994 27647 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :over skyene er himmelen alltid blå < 1302821997 731754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54:20: its amusing that gnu spent more effort coming up with a retarded name for hurd than it did in writing the software < 1302821997 894157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sniff* the newbie insults my name indirectly *sniff* < 1302822022 330822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or at the current time point, på andra sidan planeten. < 1302822037 105389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haha < 1302822116 272703 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no no no, it's the mixing of "hird" with "turd" that is retarded < 1302822130 646401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a turd. < 1302822132 286087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nasty < 1302822135 620619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1302822147 959773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so is your mom < 1302822154 758167 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also we have already established he's a sham < 1302822181 763214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, already? Considering how new he is here. < 1302822184 94043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sham poo < 1302822198 669559 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did i just whoosh Vorpal or not? < 1302822211 107277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, pun intended! < 1302822211 433489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, my Vorpal policy is a batch one < 1302822215 504069 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1302822219 164157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, obviously < 1302822225 318832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "new" < 1302822231 527313 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1302822237 843413 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, come on, it shouldn't be required to point out... < 1302822238 622212 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i intended that pun too < 1302822243 765936 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday. < 1302822252 209886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I wasn't here then < 1302822263 885045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before time began. < 1302822266 79044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't read logs apart from highlights < 1302822266 308996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least this time. < 1302822284 990 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my log reading is a bit variable too < 1302822332 848689 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a little worried that several iwc threads seem to be coming to a conclusion
< 1302822340 714572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, what do I have to do to make puns like that clear? would kind of cut the edge off < 1302822351 781524 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kindles my fear that he'll stop when he comes to the calvin & hobbes point < 1302822354 596958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also comic 3000 < 1302822372 730603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that would be sad. What about espionage though? < 1302822383 58 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C&H is more important, besides they have not concluded completely yet < 1302822393 476908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, C&H? Uh? < 1302822394 752651 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1302822396 99711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:36:08: plus, I'm not even sure if redirects actually make apache start a new "request", or if the old one keeps handling the redirected-to url < 1302822396 249825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:36:25: (the whole problem is that apache never frees any memory while handling a request) < 1302822402 715951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they do, since http is stateless < 1302822406 223593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i hope so < 1302822419 180475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302822431 831756 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DMM as a wellknown stated goal of reaching the same number of comics as calvin & hobbes did. three thousand something. < 1302822434 915417 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1302822453 202868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Connection: Keep-Alive < 1302822458 566242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302822461 842573 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik he has never said anything about stopping then, though < 1302822476 295667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it would be terrible if he did < 1302822504 743234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302822527 222479 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm not sure, my Vorpal policy is a batch one <-- you mean you don't try to judge individual utterances? < 1302822527 447006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if apache uses a process or thread per TCP connection, and Connection: Keep-Alive is used, it is quite possible, that the statelessness does not come into play < 1302822542 412380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was wondering a bit about that too < 1302822544 171374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302822568 674450 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, this NanoKONTROL is definitely going to drive me insane and/or improve my digital music. < 1302822580 310017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what < 1302822595 900608 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also above, the pun was clear enough but i was assuming you understood i intended it which meant it was somewhat unclassy to say the rest explicitly < 1302822616 851223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also I needed to do three re-takes on the word "NanoKONTROL", I kept reading "NanoKERNE" several times < 1302822655 804738 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Blame Korg :P < 1302822659 141935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err what? I was just continuing your pun? < 1302822659 552469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is going to be playing TRANCE IN CLUBS ANY SECOND NOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BECOME DIGITAL < 1302822666 997726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh. What does it do? < 1302822750 274177 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i was going for an Incredibly Lazy Pun (i was going to link tvtropes but the page seems to be missing?) < 1302822754 42984 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has knobs and dials, and sends MIDI control events when you knob and dial them :P < 1302822759 661213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:58:18: hmm... has anyone built a sed in sed? < 1302822759 863222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:58:34: I assume you mean in multistep-sed? < 1302822760 13503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:59:13: multistep-sed? < 1302822760 13698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:59:31: As in, applying sed repeatedly to reach a fixed point or other terminal condition. < 1302822760 13809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:59:51: hmm, sounds like cheating < 1302822760 163403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and while uplink is fun, it seems to require some quick reflections, which I don't really have. < 1302822760 610046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:00:26: I'm not sure if it's powerful enough without, although it certainly could be, it's got a lot of Darke Artse I never really use :P < 1302822763 194004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is tc < 1302822781 465754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm I don't know what that is. Could you link me? ;P < 1302822789 447281 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, they showed that later. < 1302822795 351234 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed s/// isn't :P < 1302822796 253845 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: It has knobs and dials, and sends MIDI control events when you knob and dial them :P <-- to what end? < 1302822800 420619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I HADN'T SCROLLED DOWN TO THERE BITCH < 1302822804 894545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeated regexps are TC though (they can do BCT) < 1302822811 923646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even if your halting condition is just "output = input" < 1302822829 512157 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: google links to it but tvtropes behaves as if it doesn't exist D: < 1302822847 972865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, cache? < 1302822854 126539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, google cache I mean < 1302822859 951564 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, ultimately any end you want. I'm going to hack up a quick (read: not at all quick) program to let me control tempo and velocities. < 1302822870 576434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom doesn't exist < 1302822893 382509 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: argh the google cache is the same, it probably has it only because it used to exist < 1302822894 889860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:45:39: Today I: Accidentally utterly broke my GRUB install, then fixed it from Mac OS X by booting with my ext partition as a HD in qemu with a GNU/Linux boot CD. < 1302822900 434832 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.IncrediblyLazyPun < 1302822901 322263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm gonna pick on you for "GNU/Linux" now. < 1302822932 108239 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs android/linux? < 1302822943 374305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anyothercoreutils/linux :P < 1302822949 679826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:55:09: "open-sores" :D I don't think I've seen that pun before < 1302822949 862127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:55:15: though it's so obvious in hindsight < 1302822950 12425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open sores dates back to ... uh, a long time ago. < 1302822953 979697 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah. stealth pun then. < 1302822960 587467 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to use "GNU/Linux" whenever relevant, but I usually use a specific distro name to avoid it anyway. I've become a bit lazier but I usually only say "Linux" to mean the kernel. < 1302822972 839270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the history is quite hideously sad < 1302822982 106600 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to gnu/hurd? < 1302822996 874395 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lowell) < 1302822999 951158 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, as opposed to GNU/BSD < 1302823020 572793 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to not-GNU/Linux, or Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD, or ... < 1302823050 816178 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice it to say that after being forced to use Mac OS X, and then FreeBSD, I learned how much I wurve the GNU userland :P < 1302823086 83498 :newsham!~chat@udp216902uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, debian w/ freebsd.. amusing. < 1302823114 981276 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a victim of people going by what the title feels like meaning :( < 1302823134 32835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IMO GNU/Linux is more "insulting" (FSvery-weakVO insulting) than Linux. < 1302823140 423482 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302823152 289414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is in common usage to refer to an operating system with Linux as the kernel, but GNU/Linux is explicitly a list of parts, and as a list of parts it's woefully incomplete. < 1302823177 950848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: a victim of people going by what the title feels like meaning :( <-- I meant, not having a redirect.. < 1302823311 126027 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use LiGNUXFCE+apps < 1302823314 849293 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: on wikipedia that would be an obvious candidate for a disambiguation page... < 1302823330 916945 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 'X' refers to both X.org and XFCE isn't that CLEVAR!!!) < 1302823351 779986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1302823356 531992 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw. < 1302823361 917866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that would end up insane on tvtropes though < 1302823367 174063 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302823387 444368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that all the time. < 1302823393 122798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because whenever I say "Linux" I think of Linux. < 1302823399 984576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's generally enough to bring up the vomit. < 1302823418 176339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:08:47: i'm not sure, my Vorpal policy is a batch one <-- you mean you don't try to judge individual utterances? < 1302823422 348027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... something like that. < 1302823436 306588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:12:40: elliott, oh and while uplink is fun, it seems to require some quick reflections, which I don't really have. < 1302823440 931779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Reflections does not mean that. < 1302823446 579207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) ...What? Uplink does not require that at all. < 1302823457 648103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, bad translations. < 1302823461 265379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sure, you can't move the mouse incredibly slowly when you're being traced, but the solution to that is to PROXY < 1302823461 980372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THROUGH < 1302823462 395012 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflexes I meant < 1302823463 142525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1302823478 800040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even through unfriendly systems? < 1302823481 972132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:13:49: Vorpal: google links to it but tvtropes behaves as if it doesn't exist D: < 1302823489 652832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it may have been deleted as part of the great tvtropes idiocy < 1302823496 840424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ISSUE SOLVED BELOW! READ ON! < 1302823506 166148 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I use LiGNUXFCE+apps That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw. < 1302823510 11872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :363) I use LiGNUXFCE+apps That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw. < 1302823535 450902 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually it looks like they had a fairly good reason to split it because people kept misinterpreting the name < 1302823559 673393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If the page is just gone, that's idiocy. If it's a disambig, that's fine. < 1302823560 603914 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/split/rename + split/ < 1302823603 570478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well to a wikipedian it looks like an obvious disambig candidate but maybe Vorpal is right that wouldn't work well on tvtropes < 1302823611 832637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, even through unfriendly systems? < 1302823612 594401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1302823630 103764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does that make sense < 1302823653 318824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so theoretically I could add every system listed in InterNIC to that list and tunnel through them all? < 1302823660 641288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be quite a chore < 1302823666 466439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure < 1302824218 996753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, precisely :P < 1302824231 561882 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302824231 781810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IIRC you're meant to turn some hosts into shell proxy hosts, but I dunno. < 1302824238 408951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Has the storyline started for you yet? < 1302824251 864409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah I did the tutorial basically < 1302824257 683165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, besides I have the demo only < 1302824272 249330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, it was added to the Ubuntu Software Centre last month X-D < 1302824327 726978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ah, the demo doesn't have the storyline. < 1302824342 684825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I couldn't find the non-demo < 1302824346 217734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have it? < 1302824360 17651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was amazed the first time I wiped the drive of a host from the shell and then it failed to come back online, ever :) < 1302824405 248455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I have it, as in I bought it :P < 1302824405 670766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I found the UI for "hacking" things in that game utterly stupid. Far too hard to use compared to a real shell with tab complete < 1302824414 614215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A physical copy no less. < 1302824424 174819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, The implications are obvious < 1302824426 264781 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229201.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302824431 275953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the linux version < 1302824445 719769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uplink is only $15 *shrug* < 1302824455 743991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OBVIOUS < 1302824461 479591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheaper than Minecraft :P < 1302824475 154878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:40:05: elliott, I found the UI for "hacking" things in that game utterly stupid. Far too hard to use compared to a real shell with tab complete < 1302824475 371957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................................ < 1302824480 809412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, you are doing me a smaller favour than I did you < 1302824481 80486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *meant* to be utterly stupid. < 1302824486 270139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hacker movie simulator game :P < 1302824505 116478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know. I just didn't realise how terrible to use it would be < 1302824545 379350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd like a realistic hacker movie. It probably wouldn't sell. < 1302824561 724108 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302824589 427089 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137049.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302824602 251203 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302824602 545065 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-224.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302824602 695334 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302824611 740735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most movies have hacking scenes using NMAAAAP today :P < 1302824624 861772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apart from the entire premise, Tron: Legacy's scenes were realistic I gather. < 1302824634 311813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they what? < 1302824636 526203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jtnimoy.net/workviewer.php?q=178 < 1302824638 700719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has Emacs. :p < 1302824646 676566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HANOI < 1302824668 110763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nmap. < 1302824668 302861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://jtnimoy.net/workviewer.php?q=178 <-- what's with the huge font? < 1302824683 527614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NO I MEANT THE PAGE TEXT < 1302824689 587771 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like size 15 < 1302824704 577266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, make that 30 < 1302824708 226723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to firebug < 1302824719 389747 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1302824725 281994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's light on text and has big pretty pictures. < 1302824728 674936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The presentation works for me *shrug* < 1302824742 195095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A font that light wouldn't work at smaller size anyway :P < 1302824762 179171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? It's Ariel? < 1302824768 523488 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least for me it is < 1302824769 267578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! that guy invented http://www.balldroppings.com/ < 1302824770 29177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1302824786 547592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you have embeded fonts disabled? stupid question of course you do < 1302824794 144181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"font-family: HelveticaNeueUltraLight,Arial;" < 1302824797 832699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not that I know of < 1302824802 650167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Helvetica Neue ultra light, anyway < 1302824816 754190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what browser version? < 1302824828 487902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc firefox only has font embedding 3.6 up < 1302824829 808828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, firefox 3.6.something < 1302824833 625049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can hardly believe you are still on 3.5 < 1302824845 175261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is on ubuntu lucid LTS < 1302825012 499677 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was the hanoi for? < 1302825042 57749 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway why would nmap be used all over the place? nmap is for mapping ports. Nothing much else < 1302825049 854950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can do some ARP scans with it too iirc