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Huston estimate for APNIC depletion is Thursday 21st April (my own current estimate is Monday 18th April). Of course, it can deplete at any day nwo. 01:40:48 *now 02:16:04 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:16:47 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 02:22:15 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:23:54 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 02:41:47 -!- pumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:42:15 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:43:54 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 02:53:41 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:02:15 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:03:53 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 03:08:23 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:08:56 -!- lament has joined. 03:11:55 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:14:34 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:14:38 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 03:14:38 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:15:14 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()Nb 03:15:17 7 03:15:26 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()Nb 03:15:27 2 03:15:36 oops 03:15:41 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()Nb 03:15:42 9 03:15:46 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()Nb 03:15:47 1 03:16:47 oerjan: omg more /// stuff! 03:16:49 i am just reading this log 03:16:52 where you do /// stuff 03:16:53 it makes me happy 03:17:11 hey, do for /// what you did for UL :trollface: 03:17:17 is it still tc without \?! 03:17:31 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()Nb 03:17:34 11 03:17:38 funny guy 03:17:43 what is this anyway 03:18:02 printing the number of ()'s in decimal 03:18:20 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()Nb 03:18:22 23 03:18:35 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/Na()Nb 03:18:36 1 03:18:39 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nd()\/Nd1Nd\/\/1Nd\/Nd1\/\/Nd1111111111\/1\\Nd\/\/NcNd\/Nc\/\/Nc\/Nd\/\/Ne\/Nd\/\/11\/2\/\/21\/3\/\/22\/4\/\/23\/5\/\/42\/6\/\/43\/7\/\/44\/8\/\/45\/9\/\/NdNd\/0Nd\/\/Nd\/\/NcNdN1Ne/NaNb 03:18:40 0 03:18:49 well that seems to work 03:19:20 that's good then. 03:19:36 !slashes /()()()()()/5/()()()()() 03:19:38 5 03:19:40 oerjan: mine's shorter. 03:19:50 and _so_ general 03:19:58 it prints the number of ()s, what more do you want 03:21:47 oh man, they've made a movie out of atlas shrugged 03:21:53 i can barely contain my excitement!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 03:21:57 111 03:22:00 is it 2834927349872398789 hours long 03:22:03 ELEVEN 03:22:15 lament: close, 28349273498723987890 03:22:16 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:22:17 you forgot a 0 03:22:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM 03:22:37 the motion is weird, all super-smooth 03:23:06 maybe they filmed it in TV movie fps ;D 03:24:04 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 03:27:57 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:30:02 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//Na()()()NbN0 03:30:05 ()()()() 03:30:11 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//Na()()()()()NbN0 03:30:12 ()()()()()() 03:30:18 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/()\//NaNbN0 03:30:19 () 03:30:24 oerjan: your code approaches saltiness 03:30:33 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()()()NbN0 03:30:34 ()() 03:30:38 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()()()()()NbN0 03:30:39 ()()()() 03:30:43 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//Na()NbN0 03:30:49 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//NaNbN0 03:31:05 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///()Nb/\///Nb/\//NaNbN0hm 03:31:06 hm 03:31:24 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nc()\/N1Nc\/\/Nc\/\/\/N0\/NcN1\//Na()()()NbN0 03:31:25 ()()()()()()()()() 03:31:26 !slashes 03:31:34 !slashes /Na/\/N1\///Nb/\/\/Nc()\/N1Nc\/\/Nc\/\/\/N0\/NcN1\//Na()()()()NbN0 03:31:35 ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() 03:31:49 lol @ hm 03:31:56 !slashes /Na/\/N0\///Nb/\//Na()()()NbN0 03:31:57 ()()() 03:32:16 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Useless ;; can we declare war on the state of TehZ? 03:32:28 elliott: i just needed to append something to check that it was properly empty and not a crash 03:35:54 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:37:30 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:37:37 -!- elliott has joined. 03:39:00 15:26:21 Now for an important question: Given only the characters / and \, what should the BCT interpreter output? 03:39:01 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:39:02 kittens 03:39:23 -!- augur has joined. 03:43:40 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:43:47 -!- elliott has joined. 03:44:04 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 03:45:03 that was not, alas, an option. 03:48:25 oerjan: :( 03:48:29 but i like kittens? 03:49:42 yes but outputting kittens with just / and \ is rather difficult 03:50:05 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:50:16 -!- augur has joined. 03:51:57 /\ /\ 03:51:57 / \ 03:51:57 | \/ \/ | 03:51:57 \ / 03:52:00 \/\/\/\// 03:52:02 / \ 03:52:04 / \ /\ 03:52:06 \_________|\/ 03:52:08 oerjan: any questions? 03:52:10 actually that's more like cthulhu 03:52:25 and by that i mean, neither space nor newline is available. 03:52:34 oh, i forgot about that.:D 03:52:37 *that. :D 03:52:37 kitthulhu 03:52:52 http://www.nyder.com/cthulhu/graphics/hello_cthulhu2.gif 03:53:38 everyone's favorite madness-inducing plush monster 03:54:38 oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up 03:58:50 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:58:57 -!- elliott has joined. 03:58:57 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:59:01 WELL OERJAN? 04:03:55 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 04:07:05 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:12:15 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:15:15 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:15:58 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 04:17:59 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 04:22:55 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 04:33:19 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:34:08 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:37:29 -!- wareya has left. 04:38:09 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:15:45 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:16:32 -!- copumpkin has joined. 05:20:06 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:20:37 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:36:45 this is worse than auto-tuning his voice 05:36:45 * oerjan now has the vague image of adjusting the visuals to be pornographic, while keeping the soundtrack as usual 05:36:49 -!- asiekierka has joined. 05:36:49 autotune for video? 05:40:30 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 05:45:52 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:55:35 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 05:55:35 -!- Ilari_antrcomp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:55:35 -!- Ilari has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:06:16 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:11:02 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:15:29 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:15:39 -!- asiekierka has joined. 06:16:10 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 06:38:28 "In the PAQ8HP series, the dictionary is organized by grouping syntactically and semantically related words together. This allows models to use just the most significant bits of the dictionary codes as context." 06:38:40 i think this means we could start doing lossy text compression 06:39:00 start by losing exact words...you might get back a synonym instead 06:39:35 then losing grammatical constructs and turns of phrase, where you might get back a different, but also grammatically-correct, and semantically equivalent phrase 07:06:50 quintopia, what is the PAQ8HP? 07:12:32 -!- Ilari has joined. 07:16:37 -!- Ilari_antrcomp has joined. 07:22:45 oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up <--- what were *you* doing up? 07:37:39 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:43:10 -!- pentesilea has joined. 07:52:46 -!- pentesilea has quit. 07:55:01 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 07:59:25 -!- augur has joined. 08:15:34 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:16:21 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 08:16:28 -!- FireFly has joined. 08:16:37 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:19:32 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:20:05 -!- variable has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 08:23:21 -!- variable has joined. 08:42:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:42:13 http://infinigons.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-programming-new-math.html 08:42:30 I'm just going to leave this here. 08:43:57 Hmm, it actually seems saner than the title makes out. 08:45:17 -!- comex has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:48:58 -!- comex has joined. 09:06:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:21:41 -!- cheater99 has joined. 09:23:05 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:24:25 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:47:54 -!- hiato has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 09:51:02 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:51:27 -!- copumpkin has joined. 09:53:01 -!- hiato has joined. 10:02:18 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 10:16:29 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:16:50 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 10:28:03 -!- asiekierka has joined. 10:34:49 -!- asiekierka has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:42:07 -!- asiekierka[ds] has joined. 11:42:08 hi 11:50:21 -!- asiekierka[ds] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:17:01 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 12:17:26 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 12:24:12 I Just heard a rumour that APNIC has allocated 90%+ of their free address pool. Whoah. The final statistics file comes in about 3 hours. 12:39:38 It had exact numbers too. And the sum of those numbers does check against remaining IP count I got yesterday. 12:40:51 There are quite a few Twitter postings saying APNIC has "~525.000" addresses left now before the last /8. 12:55:51 -!- asiekierka has joined. 12:57:07 Quite close to number I heard (525 056, which is multiple of /24). 13:06:22 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:06:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 13:06:22 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:09:30 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:16:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:35:58 Reportedly ~4M of those are temporary allocations (for debogon), but they won't be released before everything but final /8 runs out. 13:39:32 -!- sftp has joined. 13:57:27 -!- azaq23 has joined. 14:03:36 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:04:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:15:31 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:16:10 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 14:16:48 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:37:27 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:50:43 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 14:54:56 -!- asiekierka has joined. 15:05:38 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 15:15:40 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:22:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:25:04 APNIC down 0.38 (525056 / 0.03 remain): 2x2k+2x1k+256+2x/32 to Australia, 512k+256k+64k+6x32k+13x16k+60x8k+68x4k+96x2k to China, 1k to Guam, 256 to Hong Kong, 4M(!!!)+1k to Indonesia, 2k to India, 2x16k+4k to Japan, 1k to South Korea, /32 to Pakistan, 256+/48 to Singapore. 15:25:30 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:25:54 Predicted depletion date: Tomorrow. 15:26:05 down 0.38 to 0.03? wow. 15:31:54 Also looks like somebody's allocation got really fragmented. I count 2M addresses in 242(!) fragments. 15:33:02 -!- sebbu has joined. 15:33:02 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 15:33:02 -!- sebbu has joined. 15:41:48 -!- elliott has joined. 15:42:30 -!- FireFly has joined. 15:45:06 07:22:45: oerjan it's almost 6 am what on earth are you doing up <--- what were *you* doing up? 15:45:08 it was only almost 5 am 15:45:42 15:25:54: Predicted depletion date: Tomorrow. 15:45:44 nice. 15:47:18 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 16:00:18 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:00:32 it was only almost 5 am <-- ah okay. Carry on then 16:01:54 -!- azaq23 has joined. 16:04:37 -!- cheater has joined. 16:05:15 -!- Slereah has joined. 16:05:16 Ilari http://www.hostblogger.de/blog/archives/5199-Video-We-are-running-out-of-ip-addresses.html 16:05:28 THAT IS SO LAST HOUR 16:05:34 no u 16:05:42 mr ørjan. 16:06:10 [18:05] * ørjan :Erroneous Nickname 16:06:26 funny thing that. 16:07:41 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 16:08:54 Oh, I have seen that video before. 16:09:44 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:09:44 -!- FireFly has quit (Changing host). 16:09:44 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:09:47 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:10:38 Ilari: :) 16:14:32 -!- lament has joined. 16:16:22 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:16:54 Okay, that 4M block will likely be back to allocation soon, but not before APNIC has already run out (but that block will be gone really rapidly when it is back). 16:16:57 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 16:21:50 APNIC IPv6 pool: 1 039 095 /32s remaining. 16:23:46 514 808 /32s to go before reaching the half-block threshold. 16:28:17 Compare with all APNIC IPv6 allocations/assignements being a total of 27 893 /32s. 16:29:16 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 16:32:10 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:32:31 APNIC needs to expand the allocations some 18.4-fold to reach the half-block limit. 16:34:35 -!- azaq23 has joined. 16:34:39 -!- azaq23 has quit (Changing host). 16:34:39 -!- azaq23 has joined. 16:44:14 -!- wareya has joined. 17:00:09 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:08:19 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:11:28 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 17:11:33 i find it a pretty horrible thought that psychopaths aren't nice people because they don't have feelings that force them to be that way 17:11:49 i hope it's just tv that has given me the impression 17:12:40 personally i find that i'm amoral only when not thinking clearly 17:12:57 * elliott is vaguely suspicious of oklopol's definition of moral 17:13:19 but err, are you suggesting sociopaths are just constantly confused :D 17:13:51 no, on the contrary, it is my understanding that they are automatically supposed to be amoral because they don't have a conscience 17:14:12 i don't have really have a conscience either afaik 17:14:30 maybe i just never did anything wrong 17:14:41 * elliott attempts to assess the risk to humanity oklopol poses 17:15:07 you're the one who once said your life is more valuable than anything in the world 17:15:40 i wouldn't let more than a few people i know die before myself; although probably thousands of people i don't know 17:16:15 did i say that? i don't remember saying that. 17:16:16 depends on the distance too 17:16:31 i've said that humans are prone to valuing themselves over pretty much everything else. 17:16:32 i may have misunderstood 17:16:36 which is certainly true 17:16:37 it was part of that one torture talk 17:17:53 hey, looks like my counting of the sequences were off 17:17:55 there's actually 702 posts 17:18:10 -!- monqy has joined. 17:18:24 monqy: hi 17:20:34 hi 17:21:39 :) 17:24:03 monqy: STATE YOUR BUSINESS or i guess you can idle too. 17:25:56 my business is usually idling 17:26:47 hasn't monqy been here before PRETTY SURE THEY HAVE 17:26:54 they might be trying to invade :/ 17:27:17 yesterday, at least. maybe the day before 17:27:21 what, i can't be polite and welcoming to people who have been here before? 17:27:43 elliott is quite a ruin ur fun pants 17:27:57 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:28:08 monqy: you on the wiki? 17:28:15 not yet 17:28:58 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:28:58 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 17:28:58 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:30:14 what if there was a programming language based on stuff? 17:30:30 and then i was thinking, there could be things too 17:30:45 and what's the coolest is that it's completely based on stuff and things 17:30:49 but still it's tc 17:30:54 call it python 17:31:05 :O 17:31:09 oh fuck 17:31:22 this guy asks me today 17:31:27 does python have matrices in some lib 17:31:30 :D 17:31:33 numpy 17:31:37 "no they forgot" 17:31:38 :P 17:31:40 lol 17:32:01 which reminds me, i need to write a few programs in ml 17:32:05 for this course 17:32:09 they're really hard listen 17:32:24 you need to write this func that takes two lists of the same length, and then it like zips them 17:32:40 WOOOOW 17:32:48 recursively of course so that you learn to think like a person who writes recursive functions for a living 17:33:01 oklopol: dude, that's, like, a catamorphism. 17:33:12 whoaaaaa 17:33:59 I'd write recursive functions for a living if someone paid me to write recursive functions 17:34:02 isms are bad. 17:34:37 monqy: so is your name pronounced like paraguay or like fish 17:35:45 -!- asiekierka has joined. 17:36:20 elliott: does is this look a good one: fun zip a,b and c,d = c:: d+a zip 17:36:24 i'm gonna submit that 17:36:32 yes. 17:36:39 oklopol: i made it better 17:36:43 okay 17:36:44 funnest funfest zip a,b and c,d = c:: d+a zip 17:36:46 yw 17:36:47 i have recursion call 17:36:57 and then i have that cut a list in a pices 17:37:11 you need knife.ml to cut thing 17:37:13 sz 17:37:16 i'm really sleep 17:37:17 *tuhingsz 17:37:26 `addquote i'm really sleep 17:37:30 360) i'm really sleep 17:37:30 i can never seem to get a good night's oklopol 17:37:38 :o 17:37:44 stop hitting on me silyl :D 17:37:47 I'm not quite sure how monqy is pronounced, myself. I usually pronounce it like mɒnki, but I might be wrong 17:37:49 *silly 17:38:00 monqy: is it your actual first name? 17:38:15 no; that would be a silly first name 17:38:28 * Gregor sobs quietly at the first name he's hidden for so many years. 17:38:59 Gregor: it's sad that your name is one of your things 17:39:22 no matter how awesome it is 17:39:23 ... that ... was a sentence. 17:39:32 xD 17:39:54 thing = memorable thing about a thing 17:40:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:40:07 you know, a thing 17:40:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:40:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:40:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:40:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:40:15 Phantom_Hoover! 17:40:21 Indeed! 17:40:27 oklopol: Unlike okloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklokloklo 17:40:41 my nick is kind of one of my things i suppose 17:40:51 people like talking about it for some reason 17:41:04 but you have told us that Gregor is your actual name like 50 times 17:41:31 if it's not 17:41:34 that would be pretty cool 17:41:38 X-D 17:41:49 So my aunt says she saw someone walking around Venice who I swear is the Slender Man except he had a pink shirt on which kind of spoils the image. 17:41:55 I dont't think I've told you fifty times, probably only when relevant and otherwise implied :P 17:42:03 Phantom_Hoover: PINK SHIRTS SPOIL NOTHING 17:42:19 THEY SPOIL MENACINGNESS 17:42:29 Also he had a woman walking with him. 17:42:32 Gregor: well at least 4, you pretty much mention it every time people talk about not using their name on them nets 17:42:41 4 is a lot, i've only seen like 100000 of your lines 17:43:02 (i like reading the same ones many times, i just grep Gregor and go nuts) 17:43:20 Well, I am only one of two people who regularly talks here that uses his real name ... 17:43:45 The other being pooppy, his real name is in fact Pooppy (although he translated it into Latin on IRC) 17:43:52 asiekierka, ais 17:43:55 elliott 17:44:06 oklopol yes? 17:44:25 asiekierka: just saying your name is actually asiekierka 17:44:28 it's not! 17:44:30 my real name is adrian 17:44:35 yeah right 17:44:37 yes it is 17:44:39 haha 17:44:41 asiekierka is short for adrian siekierka 17:44:43 listen to this guy 17:44:43 what did you think 17:44:47 So my aunt says she saw someone walking around Venice who I swear is the Slender Man except he had a pink shirt on which kind of spoils the image. 17:44:50 did you think im asie kierka or something 17:44:52 it's "is Slenderman" u illiterate fuk 17:45:01 myth busted. anything else? 17:45:03 asiekierka: ais isn't ais's actual name either, but based on it 17:45:09 ok i guess the the is acceptable 17:45:09 also aren't you testy 17:45:16 testy? 17:45:19 Well, I am only one of two people who regularly talks here that uses his real name ... 17:45:25 I'm actually subhuman, so I'm not offended. 17:45:36 elliott: We all know your real name is Alice. 17:45:37 elliott what are you 17:45:44 *Alise 17:45:46 TRUE STORY 17:45:47 Gregor how do you know it's not Parry 17:45:49 or something 17:45:56 elliott: No, because if it's Alise then that would mean you have used your real name ;) 17:46:05 o snap 17:46:07 It's actually Estoppel. 17:46:14 My name is Estoppel Verquire St.XII 17:46:15 estoppel :DDDDDDDDDDD 17:46:27 those were THE times 17:46:27 [18:44] it's "is Slenderman" u illiterate fuk 17:46:30 Saint thirteen??? 17:46:35 Gregor: YES 17:47:06 Well I'm sorry but my amygdala makes my life hell if I read about it so I'm not exactly well-versed. 17:47:36 Your mom is an amygdala. 17:48:30 asiekierka: sorry typoed, meant to say tasty 17:51:09 cheese is so good 17:53:30 oklopol: Why don't you go fuck a fruit basket. 17:53:32 elliott: And you're a slut. 17:53:37 !!! 17:53:38 Indeed. 17:53:48 Gregor: ( 17:53:58 that is the saddest smiley 17:54:07 no eyes 17:54:11 OH GOD now for years the entire conversation will be in an unmatched paren D-8 17:54:13 just pure 100% sadness 17:54:22 ) 17:54:28 yay 17:54:29 oklopol: i thought the : after Gregor was the eyes 17:54:29 *whew* 17:54:30 happy times 17:54:35 the space made it ten times as sad 17:54:39 "Gregor" is the hat. 17:54:51 He's wearing my name as a hat, and sad that he doesn't have a nose. 17:54:56 Gregor: i get it, because you love hats 17:55:02 you are the hat 17:55:10 One day, "Gregor" will be a synonym for "hat" 17:55:16 yes 17:55:22 "It's raining, grab your Gregor" no wait, maybe I don't want this ... 17:55:24 and then you will have a choosemygregor site 17:55:39 WELL ANYWAY GUYS I HAVE TO FOOD AND I DON'T TRUST MY FAMILY WITH THIS LAPTOP UNATTENDED 17:55:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Page closed). 17:56:11 trust is a powerful thing 17:56:11 I FORGOT TO ASK HIM SOMETHING 17:56:21 ask him later? 17:56:25 yeah elliott 17:58:02 sheesh what a silly-doodle, won't ask later just keeps on complaining 18:04:35 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:17:44 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:18:00 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 18:22:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:23:24 What are the haps my friends 18:24:12 Hapssy 18:24:15 *Happsy 18:24:23 well you know those young athletes that are always missing their fucking only chance in life to play in front of talent scouts 18:24:40 that annoys me even more than the stereotypical psychopaths 18:28:34 psychopaths would probably know how to reach their goals without annoying you 18:29:27 i'm never annoyed by people 18:29:35 only tv shows and machines 18:30:02 oh, you're talking about athletes and psychopaths in tv shows? 18:30:06 yes 18:30:49 -!- calamari has joined. 18:31:34 especially machines 18:31:40 i fucking hate computers 18:39:49 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:24 -!- oklopol has quit. 18:44:29 Vorpal: do you know if Alexia Massalin has done any kernel/OS work since Synthesis? Wikipedia has nuthin' 18:58:15 FOOD AGAIN 18:58:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Page closed). 18:58:39 HOW MUCH DO YOU EAT 18:59:09 -!- cheater has left ("Leaving"). 18:59:15 -!- cheater has joined. 19:15:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:16:07 -!- augur has joined. 19:16:18 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:16:44 yesterday i acquired an original distribution of hypercard :T 19:17:02 how ... difficult? 19:17:29 i walked up to a table that happened to be giving it away, and i took it 19:18:52 :.,.+1441:28 19:19:46 indeed 19:19:50 manuals and all 19:22:43 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:28:32 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:30:07 -!- Zuu_ has joined. 19:31:00 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:31:52 -!- Zuu_ has changed nick to Zuu. 19:38:13 -!- augur has joined. 19:41:38 -!- oklopol has joined. 19:42:32 my crt decided to start randomly shrinking, widening and twisting the screen so had to give it a break 19:42:46 nothing's moving now 19:42:48 um 19:42:52 it was just enjoying some nice drugs 19:42:55 why are you so prejudiced 19:43:19 it's way too old for that stuff 19:44:02 drugs are for kids, grampa 19:44:12 yes 19:44:41 if my lcd was on lsd, i wouldn't mind 19:45:10 but it's not ok if your crt is on ecstasy GOD I LVOE RHYMING 19:45:35 who doesn't A LITTLE 19:49:43 `addquote elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies. 19:49:45 361) elliott: Fythe-generated code doesn't use C calling conventions, because C calling conventions are for pussies. 19:54:07 -!- ais523_ has joined. 19:55:51 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 19:55:53 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 20:09:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:12:42 -!- cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:16:35 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 20:17:40 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 20:27:56 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:51:02 -!- copumpkin has joined. 21:29:09 oh, esr wrote the art of unix programming? I guess there's a point to him after all 21:29:21 olsner: but that book sucks 21:29:29 olsner: he uses fetchmail as an example constantly 21:29:32 of excellent design 21:29:41 it does? what's fetchmail? :P 21:30:13 and there are people on the internet that claim it's a good book! 21:30:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:30:29 olsner: fetchmail is esr's shitty mail fetching program. 21:30:33 POP/IMAP client. 21:30:43 Approx. 0 people use it. 21:30:55 Oh, looks like he also used it constantly in The Cathedral and the Bazaar. 21:31:05 Some programmers, including Dan Bernstein, getmail creator Charles Cazabon and FreeBSD developer Terry Lambert, have criticized Fetchmail's design,[3] its number of security holes,[4] and that it was prematurely put into "maintenance mode". 21:31:05 uh oh 21:31:22 uh oh? 21:31:48 at " Approx. 0 people use it." and " Oh, looks like he also used it constantly in The Cathedral and the Bazaar." 21:31:59 err, I mean, as an example 21:34:41 eugh, stack overflow seems to be full of people who read pragmatic programmer and it somehow revolutionized their lives as programmers 21:35:39 olsner: joel spolsky + jeff atwood =/= good site with clever people 21:35:52 elliott: exactly :) 21:36:50 the worst thing is we have a couple of them at work that are like "hey, I read this book, if we implement every idea in it stuff will magically become awesome!" 21:38:08 then they get upset that nothing really happens after that except a prompt for a more thought-out argument about the benefits of said tool/process/idea/technology :) 21:39:43 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 21:44:56 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:45:20 ais523: did Wooble just ragequit _AGAIN_? 21:45:35 I don't know 21:45:54 ais523: also, _please_ get an economic proposal out 21:46:01 points-as-economy is gaining rapid acceptance, and ugh 21:48:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:50:27 you know you can write proposals yourself, right? 21:51:35 Proposal of what? 21:52:25 ais523: I'm not very good at writing rules :) 21:52:33 ais523: besides, IIRC you're the one who's done most of the work on it 21:52:36 zzo38: for a game, Agora 21:53:44 What is this game? 21:54:06 A nomic. 21:56:28 What do you have so far? 21:56:54 It's been going since 1993 :P 22:10:06 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 22:11:42 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:15:23 zzo38: agora is quite likely the oldest still running nomic in existence 22:15:38 indeed 22:15:42 and the second-oldest internet nomic, no? 22:15:49 unless there were minor ones in the nomicworld era 22:15:58 i don't know if there were any before nomic world 22:16:10 there weren't, I don't think 22:16:25 there could have been some email ones... NW was MUD-based 22:16:44 I know what Nomic World was dude :P 22:16:49 isn't the FRC technically older than Agora? 22:16:50 GOOD, GOOD 22:16:52 ISTR NomicWiki calling it the oldest. 22:16:55 ais523: yes 22:16:59 ais523: FRC is as much of a nomic as Canada 22:17:26 hey, its rules change sometimes 22:17:31 frc could in principle be played as a nomic but that would be out of spirit 22:17:50 ais523: so do Canada's 22:18:01 more often, even ;) 22:18:07 heh 22:18:24 elliott: I'm running a BlogNomic dynasty atm, btw 22:18:38 -!- augur has joined. 22:18:45 ah dynasty 22:18:47 only just started 22:18:51 ais523: OK; I think I have some sort of fundamental difference in ethos with BlogNomic, though, because it always seems constantly boring to me 22:18:59 it is constantly boring 22:18:59 * oerjan recalls imperial nomic. are there any of those going on still? 22:19:05 that's why it has such larger player turnover 22:19:05 ais523: well then :-P 22:19:45 trying to make BlogNomic interesting is one of the biggest challenges of nomic 22:19:53 which is quite a reason to play it, if you want a /real/ challenge 22:21:03 ais523: but I'd have to fight a lot of all the players, probably 22:21:06 which isn't fun 22:25:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Page closed). 22:27:02 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:28:35 -!- Zuu_ has joined. 22:29:46 -!- myndzi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:30:03 -!- myndzi has joined. 22:31:04 -!- Zuu_ has changed nick to Zuu. 22:37:45 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:38:48 Show mercy to the green lives under your foot. 22:40:36 -!- FireFly has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:40:36 No. 22:41:32 Then go drink hydroxic acid! 22:42:22 to live dangerously, i prefer some dihydrogen monoxide 22:42:41 zzo38: Why do you keep saying "go drink hydroxic acid" 22:42:46 OK fine, prefer some dihydrogen monoxide, if that is what you prefer, please. 22:43:11 elliott: I don't know the answer to that question. 22:43:29 And if you put a question mark then I probably still won't know. 22:43:47 zzo38: Why do you keep saying "go drink hydroxic acid"? 22:43:59 I still don't know. 22:44:18 zzo38, a master of prediction 22:44:18 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 22:44:32 Or at least some kind of diction. 22:51:10 zzo38, why should I show mercy to .. crud, I don't know enough to make a semi-decent joke 22:52:59 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:55:56 I want to say forest lovers 22:55:58 But that sucks 22:57:49 Then say something else, or do something else, or _____________. 22:58:20 I choose the latter. 22:59:08 -!- Imk0tter has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:00:01 -!- Imk0tter has joined. 23:04:38 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:07:41 -!- cheater00 has joined. 23:08:12 I wrote down something, some idea, it is a 4x4 game, each player has five pieces, which are cubes on top of a coin, the coin has arrow to face in four directions and can be flipped over to belong to the other side, and can be held and dropped as in shogi. If you reach the king's corner you roll the dice. You win if you capture opponent's king or if you leave opponent with no legal moves. 23:09:00 And that you can also, when capturing, turn your cube in any direction except to the other side. When non-capturing, you can turn around 90 degrees clockwise/counterclockwise by optionally. 23:10:28 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:19:09 argh 23:19:31 oerjan: why is division evil :( 23:19:45 (a+b)-b = a, even mod n, but the same doesn't hold for division 23:19:56 it's used for conquest 23:19:59 e.g. if m = n/2, then (m*2)/2 = 0 mod n 23:20:07 it is 23:20:11 distressing how long it took me to realise that 23:20:39 it's true if the divisor is relatively prime to the modulus 23:21:57 for the right definition of division modulo something 23:23:01 oerjan: all operations modulo 23:23:08 oerjan: i.e. (m*2) mod n / 2 mod n 23:23:28 well sure 23:23:37 -!- augur has joined. 23:25:07 although usually you can defer the modulus until the end if you want, the trick is that with division you need to be careful 23:25:30 when calculating m / 2, you need to choose a representative of m that is actually even 23:25:57 oerjan: i defaulted to the easier solution, i.e. saving the initial value 23:26:03 if n is odd that is of course easy 23:26:09 oerjan: (this is for restoring the pre-overflow value if a calculation overflows so that I can promote it to bignum and try again) 23:26:21 aha 23:26:32 for addition I just subtracted, but that doesn't work for multiplication, so yeah 23:26:56 have you ever had your brain simultaneously operating at the assembly level and at a bignums-and-garbage-collectors level? 23:26:59 it's truly disorienting. 23:28:38 oerjan: hm given ceil(log_2(n+1)) and m, is there an easy way to get something close to (but possibly greater than) ceil(log_2((n*m)+1))? 23:29:21 gmp appears to offer a guarantee that any bignum's log_2 will fit into an unsigned long, and you can preallocate a bignum with space for N bits 23:29:36 plus m is a (signed) long 23:29:44 so if I could preallocate well... 23:30:13 well log2(n*m) = log2(n)+log2(m) 23:30:56 if that isn't close enough, i don't know 23:31:15 right 23:31:29 actually it's probably a waste of time, I'll let gmp handle that :-P 23:35:26 oerjan: can you believe it? it's broken! wowzers! 23:35:27 oh wait 23:35:31 unless multiplication doesn't set overflow 23:35:38 that would be really shitty 23:36:26 hmm 23:36:34 how interesting, IMul doesn't actually...multiply 23:37:15 wtf. 23:37:23 Wait, they put limits on the size of a bignum? 23:40:16 WTF? 23:40:51 oh! 23:41:00 hmm 23:41:21 OK, wait, this is totally messed up, IAdd isn't doing addition either 23:41:34 unless it's somehow doing it with leaq 23:41:39 hmm, nope 23:44:32 yay 23:45:17 oerjan: what 23:45:26 behold: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf 23:45:43 oerjan: have I mentioned my marriage proposal recently? 23:45:51 does it implement True Deadfish Wraparound? :-) 23:45:53 23:37:23: Wait, they put limits on the size of a bignum? 23:45:58 Sgeo: C does that from the start. 23:46:09 no, but you did mention a need for more esolang deadfish interpreters 23:46:09 Oh, right 23:46:22 elliott: but of course, that was the easy part 23:46:26 Sgeo: besides, I'd like to see you store 2^(2^32 - 1) on ANY computer! 23:46:53 hmm, well 23:46:54 (the ./N.a****************N.b./N.aN.b./ 23:46:55 it's not _that_ long I guess 23:46:58 elliott, you just did ::trollface:: 23:47:02 part) 23:47:05 but 23:47:07 it's pretty damn long 23:47:08 I have written Deadfish implementation in Gforth, and in TeX. 23:47:14 zzo38: slashes is cooler 23:47:32 this is itflabtijtslwi since it needs input 23:47:37 Of course, you mean in a representation also capable of storing integers less than that number in an equal amount of space or less 23:47:49 Ermm, less than that number but greater than 0 23:47:55 oerjan: isn't itflabtijtslwi kinda cross? 23:47:56 warning: don't try printing numbers much larger than 1000 23:47:57 Yes, can be implemented with itflabtijtslwi, or brainfuck, or INTERCAL, or whatever else you want 23:48:06 Yeah yeah, don't feel like fixing my definition to deal with negatives 23:48:12 elliott: it only adds a single GG...GG command... 23:48:16 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Disconnected by services). 23:48:19 oerjan: well that's syntactically gross. 23:48:40 -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined. 23:48:42 oerjan: I'd make //foo/ instead be the same as /foo/\char/ 23:48:47 sine //foo/ never does anything useful ever 23:48:49 *since 23:48:58 Why is there an XKCD version of Deadfish? 23:49:04 maybe. but i went with the language which is also there 23:49:07 There is no negatives in Deadfish 23:49:10 Sgeo: heck if i know 23:49:12 *already 23:49:26 I don't know why there is a XKCD variation 23:50:15 "The language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme 23:50:15 " 23:50:16 o.O 23:50:59 Sgeo: you can thank me for that 23:51:03 why the o.O 23:51:07 perfectly factually correct 23:51:27 "Scheme" is ambiguous, there are at least six languages called Scheme 23:51:32 defined by various reports 23:51:32 Yeah, but who, besides an esolanger, says that? 23:51:43 "R5RS Scheme" is nonsense when R5RS is expanded 23:51:45 Most humans say R5RS 23:51:57 Sgeo: nobody besides an esolanger says that 23:52:11 zzo38: there ARE negatives with Deadfish 23:52:13 Most humans are esolangers. 23:52:16 oh wait, hmm, there aren't 23:52:21 but there would be, if you could get -2 somehow 23:52:24 Q.E.D. 23:52:46 23:51:45: Most humans say R5RS 23:52:52 most humans don't say it at all. but most humans just say Scheme 23:52:59 *. 23:53:00 R-ass yndrome 23:53:11 oerjan: *R ass-yndrome 23:53:30 well we _were_ discussing xkcd, almost. 23:53:34 -!- Mathnerd314_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 23:53:40 Almost? 23:54:05 i'm not sure that "I don't know why there is a XKCD variation" counts as discussing xkcd itself 23:55:06 * elliott makes friends with the latest esowiki spambot 23:55:10 they're just misunderstood 23:55:16 tswett: you may also like http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf 23:55:34 why? 23:55:43 because he invented /// ? 23:55:46 What sort of file is that? 23:55:49 nonsense, he's not ihope127! 23:55:54 O KAY 23:56:01 tswett: It's an ittf. 23:56:06 I see. 23:56:13 oerjan: please send me that link again right now. 23:56:14 tswett: an Itflabtijtslwi source file 23:56:21 tswett: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/deadfish.itf 23:56:22 oops 23:56:25 forgot to switch to my alternate nick 23:56:28 O KAY 23:56:49 ok so tswett is not ihope127 but elliott is me. got it. 23:58:13 Even Free Geek uses Plain TeX and DVI, because I showed them how to do it, and I helped them with it. 23:58:42 But I helped them with the drive wiping script, too. 23:59:12 so, umn, zzo38, you know assembly right? 23:59:28 *umm 23:59:29 elliott: Yes, I know a bit. 23:59:36 do you know at&t syntax? 23:59:58 I don't know what AT&T syntax is. I only used MS-DOS DEBUG syntax.