< 1302480319 647944 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Alerts tells me it found my name here: http://twitter.com/cerias/status/55662898420260864 < 1302480325 688666 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Google Alerts was of course right. < 1302480335 380078 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, why did CERIAS feel the need to tweet every bloody poster? < 1302480346 985400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because they love you. < 1302480367 206573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: lol @ having a Google Alert on your own name :P < 1302480374 317190 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Narcissism: I has it. < 1302480531 143156 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302480559 138789 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302480985 216186 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302483381 355942 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it should be, if you make a program with WEB or Enhanced CWEB or whatever, you should publish the book and include a DVD in the back cover of the book, for loading the program into your computer. < 1302483454 55798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHW*(R()E*TH(WEHGISGH < 1302483504 124701 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "AHW*(R()E*TH(WEHGISGH"? < 1302483580 624390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302483609 351740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ancient gothic god of mismatched brackets < 1302484641 256501 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302486022 455770 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302487628 341227 :WHARRGARBL!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :coWHARRGARBL < 1302488313 502404 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302488483 328396 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302488840 424530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coWHARRGARBL: lol < 1302488850 688550 :coWHARRGARBL!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHARRRGARBL < 1302488860 489794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coWHARRGARBL: hello < 1302489172 644220 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302489448 28857 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION investigates Google Alerts.
< 1302489468 112686 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one result for my name, and it's false. < 1302489530 229810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivan Hope, or Tanner Swett? or Warrigal? < 1302489543 61997 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My actual real name. < 1302489547 830076 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. the latter. < 1302489549 608497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivan Hope then! < 1302489555 657962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is Warrigal :P < 1302489565 659899 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is the second of two. < 1302489565 823178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the Christian Party are Poe's Law exemplified < 1302489568 614686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' with the more biblical 'evidence of two or three reliable witnesses' in the criminal justice system. < 1302489576 100937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1302489577 725206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lat·ter/ˈlatər/Adjective < 1302489578 217445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Situated or occurring nearer to the end of something than to the beginning. < 1302489578 367126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Belonging to the final stages of something. More » < 1302489582 738945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1302489582 901490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relating to or being the second of two items < 1302489583 167802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :near (or nearer) to the end < 1302489583 317970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close (or closer) to the present time < 1302489597 205932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there were three items, I was interpreting it as the obvious generalisation as the last one < 1302489599 718951 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it in the former sense. :P < 1302489608 5538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Wales the party wants to change the Welsh flag, because it views the red dragon as a satanic symbol, they would replace it with the cross of Saint David.[10] < 1302489618 528069 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... actually not used "latter" to mean "last". I think of it as meaning "all but first". < 1302489631 969227 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So out of three options, I would think of the latter two. < 1302489641 314274 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "Tanner Swett" is what I searched for. < 1302489642 813823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter N is the last N, I would say < 1302489661 42384 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1302489662 798719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The options are A, B, C and D; the latter two have the problem that they're gay, the first has the problem that it sucks, and the second has the problem that it's made out of fish. < 1302489715 634951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Have you ever ran a Perl script over GCC's output? < 1302489731 220076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so < 1302489739 858651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite errr, enlightening < 1302489751 333565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is, dear god someone tell Gregor he's mad. < 1302489752 615759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've ran a Perl script over makefiles generated during gcc's build process before now, though < 1302489783 336186 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches for 'john powell' and finds that most of the results are for the wrong word.
< 1302489789 83283 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does John Powell have to be so many people? < 1302489827 42017 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you too! There must be... at least 523 of you! < 1302489837 62253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're an evil mangler < 1302489947 991304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think so; there are 10 Alex Smiths more famous than me, imagine how many must be less famous < 1302489992 990864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions and billions < 1302490009 170115 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think there is any need to change the flag, since it already exists. The red dragon can also be seen as a red dragon instead of a satanic symbol; although if there are more than enough people that prefer change the flag to the cross, then maybe they should do so. I myself don't care much as I do not live there. < 1302490018 984973 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that a majority of people on Earth are named Alex Smith. < 1302490053 163129 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What percentage do you expect? I know someone who had the same name as a few people and caused confusion, someone thought he was their boss even though he wasn't. < 1302490088 35269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the label has failed < 1302490093 957765 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect... 0.1%. < 1302490096 141989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so brittle < 1302490104 526348 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be a bit high, come to think of it. < 1302490114 397537 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1302490131 782429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 6.79 million people are called Alex Smith?!?!?!?! < 1302490140 711743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could found a fucking country < 1302490151 498968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"morning Alex" < 1302490152 905099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"morning!" < 1302490155 772461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where you off to, Alex?" < 1302490157 860771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ah, just going to work" < 1302490163 217188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah, hello, I'm here to see Mr. Smith" < 1302490166 250548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which one?" < 1302490175 685665 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. I'm assuming everyone has an Englishy name. < 1302490180 692004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302490227 394943 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon power bitches < 1302490256 207516 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's assume that... 6% of all people have Englishy names. < 1302490267 415599 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the number becomes 0.006%, I believe. < 1302490288 507427 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are only, like, 400,000 of ais523. < 1302490348 531823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ihope there are not too many ais523. It would Warrigal me a lot and I might even break out into tswett. < 1302490357 320799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warrigal: SOUNDS LIKE "WORRY") < 1302490558 922087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, if everyone had the same name you'd have to start giving auxiliary names to tell all the alex smiths apart < 1302490574 275674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually you could just drop the alex smith part < 1302490647 237143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302490658 443682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Alex Smith Jacque Loutique. < 1302490664 582288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hi. I'm Alex Smith Azerbajan Remi. < 1302490674 299256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ELLIOTT MAKES UP NAMES) < 1302490705 392179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex is good, because it could be short for both alexander and alexandra < 1302490705 918725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: HELLO < 1302490723 5302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could also be short for Alxe-wielding insane hobo. < 1302490723 529235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could definitely start and maintain a country where everyone has that name < 1302490724 674525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The l is silent. < 1302490813 290368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302490818 650452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302490821 231993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO HELLO HELLO < 1302491187 421319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heo heo heo < 1302491279 189580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is actually a elephant. did you know? < 1302491293 339 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a friend gave me a password to something < 1302491299 170285 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm logged in as her < 1302491302 574786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky. < 1302491310 636790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*So, < 1302491362 721681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: We're still waiting for the point. < 1302491371 637235 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No point < 1302491374 820646 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel weird < 1302491462 493504 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've waited for the point for years < 1302491493 175970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: you know who *else* dressed up in the skin of women? < 1302491514 610014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN < 1302491553 709990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*RUBS < 1302491636 452755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the sequences are even longer than i remember < 1302491701 653998 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smell my breakfast bitch < 1302491720 394213 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i don't eat dogs < 1302491742 869722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... 9 + let's say 29 (cba to count them all) + < 1302491758 766915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 + < 1302491762 744192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 + < 1302491767 103006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1302491769 639996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the most important posts < 1302491783 702817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 + 29 + 14 + < 1302491802 883436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 + < 1302491828 445989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 + < 1302491839 590489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 + < 1302491850 790801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 + < 1302491873 549534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 + < 1302491878 219640 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 + < 1302491881 744852 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :83 + < 1302491882 349191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking fuck how many fucking posts are there < 1302491889 382258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm actually counting blog posts here < 1302491899 313249 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles evilly
< 1302491901 269374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 + < 1302491904 40936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds the totals so far
< 1302491918 188932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :162 + < 1302491928 338669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 + 11 + < 1302491935 149003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 + < 1302491947 447787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you counting all the blog posts, or some particular category? < 1302491967 804569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 + a bit (minor subsequences) < 1302491983 126601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm counting the number of blog posts that together constitute Less Wrong's Sequences < 1302492001 298599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka what you get told to go and read the entirety of if you comment on less wrong and someone disagrees :D < 1302492009 488071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 + < 1302492026 264231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :current total: 215 + a bit < 1302492049 838830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 + < 1302492058 927656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 + < 1302492065 103278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 + < 1302492076 887992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 + < 1302492106 883043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 + < 1302492132 802837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 < 1302492156 309614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the *main* Sequences series, there's 340 posts. plus dependencies. < 1302492181 655508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc. Yudkowsky sequences: < 1302492194 710904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 + 11 + < 1302492211 746670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evolution posts that i'm too sick of this to count + < 1302492220 74750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1302492223 761921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1302492230 976779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 + more < 1302492240 420100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to count other people's sequences because this is FUCKING ENOUGH < 1302492259 723961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the total is 385 plus dependencies plus ones that nobody bothered to include in the lists because there's too fucking many < 1302492264 586225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oerjan: any questions < 1302492284 159791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only "wat?" < 1302492304 78923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? < 1302492321 450592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you know what Less Wrong is, because if not i can't even hope to give an answer :) < 1302492334 980552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I don't < 1302492336 345311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops! i missed one < 1302492350 760651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 < 1302492352 986088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1302492361 303577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: then i'm not even going to bother trying to explain :) < 1302492370 733653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :okelidokeli < 1302492391 552549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okely dokely, you stupid scannd < 1302492400 646255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1302492426 642254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, i'm fairly sure oerjan knows, so i'm going to say OVER 385 POSTS FFFFFFFFF < 1302492454 484341 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically the sequences are longer than the somplete sacred texts of some major religions? < 1302492461 388991 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complete < 1302492461 539061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1302492470 860795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dunno, the bible is easily 400 blog posts i'm sure :) < 1302492482 240892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you include all the rationalisations from way back when to present < 1302492486 633746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and err "interpretations" < 1302492487 866505 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it depends on post length < 1302492495 609332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yudkowsky length < 1302492503 22367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nuff said < 1302492516 112690 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um those are long aren't they... < 1302492522 421218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite :P < 1302492531 184509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean < 1302492538 163645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a page or two of the bible would easily fill a yudkowsky post < 1302492550 240598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bible is pretty long... < 1302492623 796110 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some books of the Bible are rather short < 1302492734 393439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1,281 pages in the Bible (Old and New Testament combined), including 66 different "books"... < 1302492736 957341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a reliable source < 1302492738 826488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a long book < 1302492760 830424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though. < 1302492762 26239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fuck. < 1302492860 369392 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of pages should depend what print edition you have? The number of different books, though, should remain the same (unless it differs by counting apocrypha/deutrocanonical or not) < 1302492959 937066 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a long lineof virgins? < 1302493004 889606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, how did this happen < 1302493016 32525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302493017 662902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it erased dead code < 1302493019 105182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking fuckshit < 1302493109 139135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up until Gregor mangles labels :P < 1302493111 205957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess I could. < 1302493113 242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds painful. < 1302493212 301838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... he DOES... < 1302493311 868421 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302493367 829714 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302493371 6737 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he could fork off a copy of himself then join later
< 1302493393 995446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, just think about two things at once < 1302493397 341725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean physically < 1302493413 290796 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically :) < 1302493427 738757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, who cares about atoms? < 1302493429 666266 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe you could write code and play videogames at the same time, you're pretty bright :) < 1302493441 459920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a physical issue, mostly < 1302493443 719956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt control < 1302493450 532745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that it's hard to look at two things at once < 1302493462 459909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, videogaming tends to be a multi-core kind of thing, it uses all the available system resources < 1302493595 19111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: mind you, the human brain's low thread limit is also a physical issue :) < 1302493611 38807 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my brain is mostly single threaded < 1302493637 630510 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of those people whjere if I'm driving, it's dangerous for me to be doing much of anything else < 1302493644 746468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look forward to moving into some leet 128-core brain hardware in the future < 1302493650 708369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably digital too, to stop all these stupid bits flipping < 1302493769 122464 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Thai dung < 1302494066 291710 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302494365 402859 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302494410 681916 :coWHARRGARBL!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :failedhipster < 1302494467 282001 :failedhipster!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod NICK :copumpkin < 1302494560 161073 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-99.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302495052 162894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is no longer a duck. he is now a bear. < 1302495180 275800 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302495664 630934 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302495833 867238 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302496641 988288 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302496793 640578 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302497034 814802 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302498124 947941 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302498263 669805 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302498268 67327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea of music file format, how well would it work? There are three parts: a MIDI sequence, a synthesizer program, and a conversion table from MIDI note numbers to other numbers (usually the frequency of the notes, but can be used for whatever purpose you want). < 1302498397 63068 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIDI sequence would consist of four threads, each with four registers: instruction counter, delta counter, loop counter, and auxiliary counter. It can also contain external signal messages, which might be used for singing text or whatever. < 1302498417 560001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302498638 892259 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The synthesizer program would have sixteen threads, one for each MIDI channel, with 128 registers each (changeable by the program itself as well as by MIDI control change messages); in addition, there are 128 programs which one is used on which channel is selected by a MIDI program change message. < 1302498668 864060 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302498687 747153 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? 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On this DVD it shows I'm at 05:01/00:17 < 1302530937 231428 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302531831 571502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302532028 188820 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-224.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302532221 212804 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302532324 825519 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302532413 459995 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302532686 31650 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302532693 72322 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1302533739 403035 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302534134 834756 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:3714:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302534392 282763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535496 868913 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302535625 250034 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535653 218702 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535923 20072 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302535974 784576 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.02 (6930944, 0.413 blocsk left): 3x8k+4k+1k+/32+/48 to Australia, 32k+4k to China, 3x4k+1k to Japan, 32k to South Korea, 1k to Philippines, 2k+2x1k+/32 to Singapore, 4x16k to Vietnam, 2k+1k to Vanatu. Slow day. < 1302536058 619135 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New depletion estimate: Monday 18th April. < 1302536462 212201 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302536930 441212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302536947 113812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20:02 * SgeoN1 vaguely wonders where his dad is < 1302536947 451209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:18 In case anyone was worried or otherwise cares: don't be < 1302536947 602881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:22 He's ok < 1302536947 753735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK GOD < 1302536978 4912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi cpressey < 1302537088 739726 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1302537113 173356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is/was cpressey zomgmodules? < 1302537145 406723 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say ((car (quote (cdr car))) (quote (a b))) in Scheme, but you can say *[*[*car [*cdr *car]] [a b]] in Bizaaro-Pixley! < 1302537245 424372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm the scheme equivalent is < 1302537254 20192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((car (quasiquote ((unquote cdr) (unquote car) ... < 1302537257 574383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which DOES work :P < 1302537263 718526 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use lambdas < 1302537295 363761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bizaaro-pixley have lambdas? < 1302537300 818071 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302537304 285481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just allow any quoted cons to be used as a function < 1302537311 219891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bind its single argument to "x" or something :) < 1302537321 845075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe have it like [x *[car *x]] < 1302537327 529564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be slightly more reasonable < 1302537329 466845 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you would < 1302537342 704531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well picolisp would too :p < 1302537601 31846 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus concludes this morning's session of leaving elliott nonplussed < 1302537605 902120 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back later < 1302537607 459274 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302537672 916315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning? what a joker, it's just 19h past bedtime < 1302537708 934468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302537760 229131 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'll just have breakfast and go to bed < 1302538019 617066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuck. Maybe elliott knows the answer to this: < 1302538031 903035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.IFO detected. Redirecting to dvd:// < 1302538032 743186 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 2 titles on this DVD. < 1302538032 911728 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1 angles in this DVD title. < 1302538039 962198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get mplayer to play the second title < 1302538063 778138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get mplayer to even open the dvd menu, and vlc opens it but I can't find the second title < 1302538239 594587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it the option for selecting a title, or you press the button for going to the next title < 1302538243 607780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. < 1302538263 864103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: breakfast? Swedes have breakfast? < 1302538269 889975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought all meal times were Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Times < 1302538279 950481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's... part of the path < 1302538282 754306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvd://something/something < 1302538283 597286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1302538290 214701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, breakfast *is* a regular ordinary swedish meal time < 1302538303 70031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: CRUSH THE CEREAL < 1302538307 336907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1302538314 13446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the pre-breakfast snack: it's good for you < 1302538316 259635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD Playback < 1302538316 410499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As mentioned above, MPlayer does not support the playback of DVD menus. To play the first title on a DVD, use < 1302538316 410727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mplayer dvd:// < 1302538316 410842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the first title is not the main movie, try playing other titles: < 1302538317 610089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mplayer dvd://2 < 1302538319 627932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mplayer dvd://3 < 1302538321 648726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/MPlayer < 1302538326 38320 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it doesn't even want to accept dvd:// when it is a file on the disc. I have to give it the .IFO file thingy < 1302538327 579107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the great juffgy triumphs once again < 1302538340 729410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1302538341 948938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in... file on hard disk < 1302538342 452282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: erm < 1302538353 476976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try /home/arvid/poop.ifo/blah < 1302538354 365196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't have the dvd handy. I have the ripped stuff < 1302538358 43403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1302538358 701499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stick a dvd:// in front if that doesn't help :) < 1302538374 815993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : mplayer [dvd|dvdnav]://[title|[start_title]-end_title][/device] < 1302538381 746114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dvd://2/home/arvid/blah < 1302538382 756096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1302538399 806067 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1302538403 659024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what dvdnav is mind you < 1302538412 938248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302538414 862007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :menu support :D < 1302538419 972548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :used with keypad! < 1302538427 816222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dvd://2//home/arvid/blah even < 1302538435 78822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think my previous address should work < 1302538451 25960 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, it was a relative path :P < 1302538456 992716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need an extra / < 1302538463 714170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly sensible < 1302538494 859110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what the crap. This isn't the stuff I expect. This is just the logo. -_- < 1302538683 437602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302538697 132545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal fails to watch a movie < 1302539046 540206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, quite. Meh. Will have to find it another way < 1302539108 452516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or you could just try title 3, 4 < 1302539112 451788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use dvdnav < 1302539126 706060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there are places where people set up the movie for you, you just sit there and it rolls < 1302539140 344292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I doubt this one would be sent there. It is old. < 1302539163 61121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, besides I can google for stuff in it at the same time. And no popcorn < 1302539165 769203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302539186 661781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound of crunching popcorn is annoying < 1302539200 944726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunchcrunch < 1302539214 540403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less annoying if you're the one making it < 1302539217 246483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, I doubt this one would be sent there. It is old. < 1302539221 169021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ worst excuse for porn ever < 1302539236 63827 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hahahaha. You must have a very strange taste. < 1302539250 382426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to consider Cosmos by Carl Sagan... porn. < 1302539272 796996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :carl sagan porn? ewww :/ < 1302539279 554122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, my reaction indeed! < 1302539284 478138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what can elliott be up to < 1302539291 965369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1302539296 119996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is worse than auto-tuning his voice < 1302539301 637366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is a sicko < 1302539302 989452 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey it is you who made that up! < 1302539303 868648 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/reverb-2011-04-11.ogg <-- check out the sweet room reverb generator I made :) < 1302539331 161957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you actually writing a whole music conductor program thing :P < 1302539340 179775 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: One step at a time, yes. < 1302539341 133707 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why is there so much noise in it? < 1302539352 100245 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because I don't mix very well, I'm working on it :P < 1302539355 78728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What were you using before < 1302539364 961002 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, sure you didn't turn on the LP effect? < 1302539369 493865 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fluidsynth, sox, and no conductor program. < 1302539380 346989 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Har-dee-har. < 1302539383 492645 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1302539386 734244 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^^^ < 1302539388 741082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that variable. < 1302539391 433102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always such a joker. < 1302539404 239353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I conclude that Vorpal has never heard an LP, ever. < 1302539444 210372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I had. And yes the noise is somewhat different. This is more like bad cassette recording or such. < 1302539463 452612 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you jerkfaces focus on the reverb instead of the noise :P < 1302539477 320950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what reverb? Can I hear a before/after to compare? < 1302539487 40895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't focussed on the noise < 1302539499 122451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My professional opinion is that it sounds like reverb, though < 1302539518 251643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now turn the reverb up < 1302539518 587544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1302539520 102308 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :another non-essential thing to concentrate on: nice music < 1302539520 437156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXIMUM < 1302539526 44775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that 11? < 1302539786 353873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh* found it. The box says something else than the discs say. Part 2 is on disc 2. Even though nothing else indicate this is the case. Oh well. < 1302539862 759149 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every disc except the first has two episodes < 1302539863 797151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302539872 382601 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302540088 425595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assumed it was the last one that had just one episode, which the box indicated too) < 1302541998 189218 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302542023 260949 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542023 674962 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302542023 827939 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542179 180604 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542242 212159 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you can also say ((car (list cdr car)) (quote (a b))) in Scheme, because list evaluates its arguments. < 1302542285 705362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1302542304 352113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quasiquote (unquote cdr) (unquote car)) = (cons cdr (cons car '())) = (list cdr car) < 1302542311 335502 :monqy!~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302542319 888587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bizarro-Pixley [] is quasiquote, and * is unquote < 1302542339 430350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the whole thing being in a sort of implicit (car (quasiquote ...)) < 1302542344 896813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for *x at the top level) < 1302542352 609354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302542361 274061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(car (quasiquote (... ()))) < 1302542362 954272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1302542384 739505 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's no quasiquote in bizaaro-Pixley, just quote and eval < 1302542422 946010 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, with quote being implicit < 1302542430 923971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what is the result of [*[*+ *2 *2] blah] in a hypothetical bizarro-Pixley with those functions and integers? < 1302542440 892782 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [*[*+ *2 *2] blah] < 1302542455 66841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the result of *[car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] < 1302542456 127309 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, malformed, because you have a triple in there :) < 1302542469 647418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean :) < 1302542475 709316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend triples exist :p < 1302542498 774296 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] => error, because evaling a pair where the lhs is not a function is an error (but i'm considering changing the meaning of evaling a pair, so stay tuned) < 1302542512 908370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the result of *[*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] < 1302542553 209192 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] => error because *4 is not a function < 1302542573 334701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1302542576 59381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the result of [*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] < 1302542583 674439 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wait < 1302542591 613481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your semantics, they is incoherent to me < 1302542614 372284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure what you have is [a b] = (quasiquote (a . b)) and *x = (unquote x)... < 1302542615 486767 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*car [*[*+ *2 *2] blah]] => *4 < 1302542624 466346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, you have quasiquote and unquote < 1302542626 144228 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. i don't know, i don't have fricken integers! < 1302542630 871676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [] was quote, then you'd just get < 1302542633 932127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*+ *2 *2] < 1302542634 601024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1302542654 548426 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1302542661 558081 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :car takes a pair < 1302542665 409635 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does things to it < 1302542671 127786 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a general quasiquote < 1302542681 898440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does car actually get the car and then evaluate that? < 1302542687 576256 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302542700 209911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll hold off thinking about this until there's an implementation :-P < 1302542715 918777 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one, but i'm holding off releasing it until i decide i like it a lot < 1302542751 842847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, all languages are just inferior versions of thue < 1302542896 176240 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some ideas about making cons superfluous and replacing lambdas with "pure closures", but they're just ideas right now < 1302542906 688592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs closurse? < 1302542909 115784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closures? < 1302543078 794149 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543078 945887 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-63.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1302543078 946023 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543251 278244 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-219-178.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543273 178410 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302543313 120656 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah lahks lexical bindings < 1302543333 415931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: when john mccarthy made lisp 1.0 did he use lexical bindings NO HE DID NOT < 1302543336 479994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you questioning mccarthy < 1302543399 50449 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am < 1302543417 774632 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. McCarthy, isn't it true you have been seen in the presence of several known members of the Communist Party? < 1302543442 3287 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he isn't here < 1302543442 882383 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1302543530 389793 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-219-178.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302543537 293265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302543545 164509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523456789 < 1302543943 214116 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302544174 907437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to get uplink demo running hm < 1302544201 851614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice.... a self-extracting shellscript < 1302544203 232691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" < 1302544254 881202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.setup17415: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1302544257 912896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnh < 1302544360 972700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lib/uplink.bin.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.62: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1302544361 139135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302544411 652687 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think dynamic linking is acceptable when it is for core distro package. But not for "binary blobs" < 1302544607 506033 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it kind of starts now < 1302544689 347046 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302544815 859116 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302544943 196091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302545111 507847 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302545457 389099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302546366 372703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I got uplink running fine. However it is made for lower DPI screens < 1302547277 517744 :kassioms!~kassioms@201008193077.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1302547336 809081 :kassioms!~kassioms@201008193077.user.veloxzone.com.br PART :#esoteric < 1302547429 114105 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302547764 509103 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : carl sagan porn? ewww :/ < 1302547771 567038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn < 1302547781 484314 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's close enough < 1302547802 983428 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird result from typoing in units: http://sprunge.us/ZcAf <-- what's up with the first one < 1302547808 332119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :m^5 what? < 1302547841 966765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: m to m < 1302547842 153544 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want: < 1302547842 153772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Definition: 0.018039068 m^5 < 1302547843 147759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1302547844 252561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302547850 401895 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh* < 1302547852 86709 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302547853 235335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to is an unit < 1302547853 783481 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1302547867 772327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is volume it seems < 1302547868 712895 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the knew /r/*Porn subreddits are going to pose an interesting conundrum for net nannies... < 1302547872 471267 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*new < 1302547884 347133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there are uh, several? < 1302547885 186874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302547907 828251 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are 10 listed sister reddits on that page < 1302547959 618732 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think EarthPorn may have been the first with that naming convention < 1302547960 76616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, not actually porn as such < 1302547975 301697 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, humanporn might be < 1302547995 384627 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might think, but no... < 1302548001 103888 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION visited that one before
< 1302548001 569568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then what is it? < 1302548011 921367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm tv tropes sort of pioneered it no? < 1302548015 7963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scenery Porn and whatnot < 1302548021 784375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel < 1302548021 934724 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is also a plain /r/porn, which _is_ what it sounds like < 1302548022 961148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well < 1302548028 58312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that actually predates tvtropes < 1302548029 741114 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that may be < 1302548046 481799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "gorn" which is an obvious contraction < 1302548046 986270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is humanporn, I can't figure it out < 1302548062 543880 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: however the subreddits started getting created only a month or so ago < 1302548071 449520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't that like an violence instead of sex? < 1302548073 740473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your mom only started getting created a month or so ago. shut up. < 1302548082 389607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man /r/earthporn is not going to be good for me < 1302548089 246081 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think the actual subject is something like "awesome people" < 1302548092 318080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my list of places to visit will never stop increasing < 1302548096 140077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1302548098 8486 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :portraits, really < 1302548105 816436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you tell me about this oerjan < 1302548113 182408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty ;_; < 1302548113 347927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are descriptions on the side < 1302548114 366236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302548117 192865 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This subreddit is devoted to hi-res artistic portraits of individuals or groups of people. NSFW content is allowed, as long as it is flagged as NSFW." < 1302548124 764865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :humanporn: "This subreddit is devoted to hi-res artistic portraits of individuals or groups of people. NSFW content is allowed, as long as it is flagged as NSFW. There is a difference between art and smut. All smut will be removed, there are other subreddits for that." < 1302548126 18505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1302548217 34137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a very bad person < 1302548242 340162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/s/Ggybq what < 1302548276 570669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd guess a saltlake at dawn or dusk < 1302548287 300038 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait spaceporn is actually older than earthporn < 1302548293 760916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's absolutely surreal < 1302548315 814197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, based on the title: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_Lake < 1302548323 452730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_Lake it's this < 1302548333 579729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I beat you to that < 1302548334 256025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everywhere so pretty ;;;___;;; < 1302548341 967713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, salt lake indeed as I said < 1302548356 771765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy < 1302548420 208919 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't mono lake that place they found those arsenic bacteria < 1302548425 805219 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1302548446 309097 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyes < 1302548463 211574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have to buy my plane tickets for me < 1302548479 535534 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302548501 808843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT < 1302548535 555223 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speaking of tvtropes above. Their article on Dwarf Fortress is quite amusing < 1302548656 314181 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302548823 757471 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, I doubt this one would be sent there. It is old. < 1302548844 678824 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _are_ film clubs and the like that show old films. at least there is one in trondheim. < 1302548879 138610 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although wasn't cosmos a tv series rather than a movie < 1302548931 974071 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is worse than auto-tuning his voice < 1302548971 624864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now has the vague image of adjusting the visuals to be pornographic, while keeping the soundtrack as usual
< 1302549012 997844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you have a dirty mind : < 1302549021 723538 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : although wasn't cosmos a tv series rather than a movie <-- indeed < 1302549050 674710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: s/ :$// < 1302549119 397439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302549142 392487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if carl sagan and david attenborough ever made anything together < 1302549143 856151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302549147 427626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world still exists < 1302549156 463410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks Has The Earth Exploded From Awesomeness Yet?
< 1302549160 244110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, guess they never did < 1302549175 863709 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302549208 757258 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, argh. 5 hours to go for next disc... < 1302549219 622204 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes the mail delivers in the night) < 1302549339 71421 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would appear they were at least autotuned into the same piece http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_of_Science#The_Unbroken_Thread < 1302549376 479679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY MESS WITH < 1302549386 187972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never actually listened to any of the post-glorious-dawn ones PROBABLY THEY SOLD OUT < 1302549431 272836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's the gcc stuff for likely/unlikely branches? < 1302549525 38569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, check manual, I don't remember it offhand. Something like __builtin_gcc_expect iirc < 1302549537 49926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically likely/unlikely are kernel macros < 1302549564 927435 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D73.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302549577 749724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that much < 1302549579 748317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the name i forgot < 1302549591 801200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it lectures me to profile < 1302549597 284877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT PROFILING FOR YOU < 1302549621 372573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can imagine a universe where bignum+bignum arithmetic is more common than bignum+fixnum or fixnum+fixnum, but it's sure as hell not this one < 1302549648 415656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302549678 654996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, profile to see if it actually helps < 1302549689 188206 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : meh, all languages are just inferior versions of thue < 1302549709 895193 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually find /// / Itflabtijtslwi more elegant than thue < 1302549722 928659 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "Itflabtijtslwi"? < 1302549736 226863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a name < 1302549747 916664 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing the latter can do arbitrary stdin/stdout IO < 1302549786 282265 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ignore this fancy little acronym, basically this is just that slashes language with input < 1302549794 983788 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, haha < 1302549874 620083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't the one to name it though
< 1302549891 312254 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i did write the slightly nontrivial programs < 1302549990 74310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302550864 227107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302551238 263001 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133D73.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224] < 1302551324 657463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so is it BF-IO complete? < 1302551329 59477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or is it more limited? < 1302551447 946835 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that means it can read and write any byte, then i believe so (although it needs a large table of characters if it is to recognize all of them, similarly to unlambda) < 1302551539 795406 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i see no fundamental obstacles, given that i could write rot13 in it < 1302551566 272642 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302551595 321041 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302551657 715178 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1302551667 916763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the zero byte? < 1302551757 931671 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be a problem. it has a separate convention for EOF distinct from any character (in fact that _was_ my decision to clarify the spec when i wrote the perl implementation) < 1302551810 217802 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless there is some bug related to how perl deals with NULs, but i would consider that a flaw in the implementation, not the language < 1302551862 450084 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly how perl does that stuff < 1302551946 616588 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that it should be _more_ IO-complete than an 8-bit BF implementation which cannot avoid confusing some characters with EOF < 1302552279 940183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302552291 196126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do you tell them apart in the source code? < 1302552384 375942 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell what apart? < 1302552511 273913 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GG command reads a char if available, and substitutes it for a chosen string. eof substitutes the empty string instead. < 1302552583 971589 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302552694 754322 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was up to me, I would have the C pointers with NULL work like: An implicit cast from a constant 0 is NULL. An implicit cast from any other number, or a non-constant 0, is a compile error. An explicit cast from any number to a pointer is the corresponding address, so 0 might not necessarily be NULL. < 1302552757 118816 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implicit cast from a pointer to boolean is true if and only if it is not NULL. An implicit cast from pointer to number is a compiler error, but an explicit cast works and 0 will not necessarily be NULL. < 1302553227 522574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302553230 229116 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how do you determine at compile time if something is an "non-constant 0" as opposed to for example, a number in the range 3-4? "An implicit cast from any other number, or a non-constant 0, is a compile error." < 1302553285 258877 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't really matter for this < 1302553308 490729 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the compiler sees it a constant expression or not, I mean, an expression without variable/function call < 1302553315 466976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1302554835 978206 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1302554957 498452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302554960 612140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21:18: elliott, profile to see if it actually helps < 1302554962 632436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficult < 1302554964 555100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an application < 1302554984 248267 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was it then? < 1302554984 418101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this case, gcc is being used to generate instruction implementations for a JIT) < 1302554989 131613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1302554994 95690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21:49: i actually find /// / Itflabtijtslwi more elegant than thue < 1302554996 453594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's true. < 1302555000 760799 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do test cases with/without it maybe < 1302555006 453523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1302555020 600649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:50:47: assuming that means it can read and write any byte, then i believe so (although it needs a large table of characters if it is to recognize all of them, similarly to unlambda) < 1302555027 303930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's more like that + arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point < 1302555028 482734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the < 1302555037 50442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :B... = bf program with no output < 1302555038 527117 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1302555038 900667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P... = print this < 1302555046 666644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :language has both input and output of any byte, but, right :) < 1302555087 766357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, this code path appears for every arithmetic op < 1302555093 684522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and fixnums are overwhelmingly the common case < 1302555101 180476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see < 1302555125 391357 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure if you seen the df thread about how to best set up a mermaid farm? Because their bones are valuable when crafting things of them. < 1302555133 986811 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in dwarf fortress! < 1302555150 472547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i don't read that forum < 1302555169 45278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sometimes it can be fun, or horrible: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=25967.0 < 1302555174 32916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i could do test cases, but so far there are no language implementations on top of this host < 1302555189 801962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it for that language for PH's game? < 1302555211 179938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1302555214 912660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's Fythe < 1302555224 961866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mhm, which one is that? < 1302555228 15817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, strictly, gcc doesn't generate the implementations < 1302555233 237981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates a partial implementation < 1302555237 826238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is then cleaned up with a perl script < 1302555242 659276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a patch is kept to it < 1302555245 16859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on a specific gcc version then? < 1302555246 714526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fill in things like function prologuee < 1302555250 855672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/epilogue < 1302555252 316681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prologue < 1302555256 43472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "jump to here if not overflow" < 1302555284 436723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fythe is Gregor's general-purpose language implementation VM/parser system < 1302555297 67250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basis of (the as of yet unimplemented) Plof 4 < 1302555305 318234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it depends on a specific gcc version < 1302555309 525862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the patches are pretty general < 1302555327 317471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the overflow stuff will have to be redone, but the prologue/epilogue things should be all right < 1302555331 529599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're just replacing a string :) < 1302555338 857733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302555367 369420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you doing evil mangler sort of stuff instead of using llvm or something < 1302555395 982073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because LLVM doesn't fit Plof's needs? < 1302555406 166407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in what ways= < 1302555408 865159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1302555410 549637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fythe is suited for dynamic languages, as well as static onse < 1302555411 391977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones < 1302555418 574097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a built-in extensible packrat parser engine < 1302555422 142793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302555424 659520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which forms the basis of Plof's language extension features < 1302555427 909880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed Plof's implementation itself < 1302555435 340664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement a language in Fythe without writing any C code, basically < 1302555452 121943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the evil mangler stuff is Gregor's idea, it's just how the opcode impls are generated < 1302555465 124021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hand-code them if you wanted, but if that route was taken, there probably wouldn't already be an arm backend :P < 1302555484 993350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302555493 668271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, it has an optimisation engine type of thing built in < 1302555499 619394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, really, arbitrary numbers of passes < 1302555510 664415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all this is done at runtime < 1302555533 129683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I'm doing is changing the integer implementation to use bignums on overflow and the like < 1302555559 598905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302555624 726561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I could free up a register by adding the two booleans < 1302555627 419654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conditioning on that < 1302555634 904994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that wouldn't let me distinguish right only vs. left only bignum < 1302555655 595938 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mangle mangle twist and tangle < 1302555742 587831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302555791 845043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302555798 867659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyy, gcc has AWESOME builtins < 1302555827 604957 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gc spurn and pointer dangle < 1302555841 395553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1302555845 371033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the builtin that looks cool isn't in 4.4 < 1302555898 108983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically __builtin_unreachable < 1302555906 549654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that would reduce the mangling a little bit < 1302555917 46779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the null pointer derefs should become __builtin_trap() instead maybe < 1302556124 216436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fun thing the mangler has to do: rename all labels < 1302556140 358033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise gcc generates them terribly (seemingly pseudo-randomly) < 1302556141 671292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the diff breaks < 1302556295 100348 :impomatic!~chatzilla@244.68.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258] < 1302556487 30748 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030148.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweethearts < 1302556659 495815 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302556827 471527 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-224.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302557773 810719 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302557808 583196 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1302557981 538817 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://codu.org/tmp/reverb-2011-04-11.tar <-- this tar includes no reverb, simple reverb, pan+reverb, and my full room reverb system. < 1302558003 763374 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302558015 470170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :will check tomorrow, have to sleep now. Will wget it < 1302558018 581692 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple reverb and full room reverb are actually the most similar, but simple reverb gives no sense of space, whereas pan+reverb gives a distorted, actually kind of disturbing sense of space. < 1302558114 101250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pork. < 1302558172 503984 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sentence no reverb < 1302558241 6285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,mnbgyuio < 1302558330 402491 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how you would converse if you could only use neighboring keys consecutively
< 1302558340 678281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly, i assume < 1302558464 76925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :redsassertfreesaws < 1302558491 514848 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I just had two ideas for a programming language < 1302558498 40037 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't actually esoteric ideas < 1302558502 616469 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ones that will make programmers hate me! < 1302558548 350163 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) parentheses and other similar things aren't required to be closed or opened, in fact, they are just operators (this will annoy people < 1302558562 471888 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) white-space affects precedence < 1302558576 456282 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter has been done < 1302558589 17820 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1302558601 865620 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall where < 1302558613 24036 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, would've been nice to look up < 1302558627 452113 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was discussed here, anyway < 1302558634 204681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan wonders how you would converse if you could only use neighboring keys consecutively < 1302558665 760285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyujk, mjuuik, ,li < 1302558667 271231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1302558689 585722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: even merd did the latter :) < 1302558690 251875 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one channel I'm on < 1302558692 95394 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Esolang where the program is a general digraph. :-) < 1302558694 221354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :merd.sf.net < 1302558706 553960 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we once communicated in three-letter abbreviations < 1302558708 229503 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the left side seemed to have more promise. although i ignored the return key... < 1302558709 7411 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1302558718 732553 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to look sort of pseudo-assemblerlike < 1302558764 612491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :werdfeedsaweddedsasser < 1302558765 761230 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: tla huh < 1302558783 47494 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course we did it all-caps < 1302558793 775336 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fe? < 1302558799 632412 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus points for not associating any data with vertices or edges and having any digraph be valid program. < 1302558806 57692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: werd-feeds-a-wedded-sasser < 1302558818 834319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no o, dammit < 1302558822 352593 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i mean f does not touch e < 1302558824 747153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: graphica? < 1302558829 981224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure it does, diagonally < 1302558837 876040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a break :D < 1302558856 538127 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if your keyboard is like a chessboard pattern, maybe < 1302558878 930956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fredsaswedded... bah < 1302558881 400336 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302558991 280390 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that would involve digraph homomorphism problem. < 1302559049 778270 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also likely vertex equivalence. < 1302559134 416708 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that NP-complete? < 1302559193 251708 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph homomorphism isn't known to be in P nor in NPC. Don't know if digraphs change things. < 1302559210 326110 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about vertex equivalence. < 1302559220 404113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's vertex eq < 1302559236 182490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean isomorphism for the "not known"? < 1302559257 489530 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1302559258 340908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph homosexuality < 1302559291 423628 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, isomorphic. < 1302559309 934067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm, homomorphism has it as a subcase < 1302559322 303438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have the same amount of edges and vertices < 1302559335 650853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302559343 950136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be known to be np-complete < 1302559346 136677 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know it < 1302559355 997681 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, homomorphism is NPC < 1302559365 71142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :subgraph is easily seen to be np-complete so prolly okay < 1302559389 980009 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdpuhnapblvsohqi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302559395 586303 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgbdmuwyyvaggmku JOIN :#esoteric < 1302559401 33014 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the proof? < 1302559411 431414 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw it claimed on wp < 1302559416 477486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1302559428 270660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well easy to believe, maybe i'll think about it later < 1302559430 300090 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however actually isomorphism is _not_ a subcase of homomorphism < 1302559436 576698 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not obviously < 1302559445 603817 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the map is not required to be injective < 1302559462 142303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" when you have the same amount of edges and vertices"? < 1302559469 401666 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for homomorphism) < 1302559474 561763 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help < 1302559485 118447 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1302559498 5089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't know what a function is then < 1302559517 481017 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you have a homomorphism from C4 to itself which collapses two opposing vertices < 1302559536 49472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that's not surjective? < 1302559551 601369 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :homomorphisms are not required to be surjective either < 1302559559 165200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so i guess the problem is me assuming it's assumed surjective < 1302559572 236177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that makes more sense < 1302559573 152910 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1302559632 510842 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302559659 788167 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subgraph isomorphism is NP-Complete. But is isomorphism with full graphs? < 1302559661 374229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, alternatively, it is my opinion that the epimorphism problem is more natural than the homomorphism problem < 1302559672 949584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that's the unknown thing < 1302559674 360521 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that is the unknown question < 1302559730 322983 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, for the homomorphism problem, i don't really see how it can be NPC, since you can just map everything to a single vertex? < 1302559752 231584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm < 1302559758 879840 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, you cannot map vertices that have edges between them to the same < 1302559769 134701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right yeah < 1302559779 420468 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should work < 1302559799 946126 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it suffices to consider the "from" graph being complete, for which homomorphism and subgraph isomorphism become the same, and also the same as the maximal clique problem? < 1302559830 161829 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same because injectivity is then automatic) < 1302559868 690847 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertex equivalence is equivalence relation: Vertex is equivalent to itself, it is symmetric relation and if x is equivalent to y, and y is equivalent to z, then x is equivalent to z. < 1302559870 936577 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's the from graph < 1302559890 545466 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030148.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. < 1302559904 968642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: thank you for this < 1302559905 734297 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, all C_n and K_n graphs have all vertices equivaent. K_n,m graphs (biparite) have two sets of equivalent vertices. < 1302559929 806701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302559961 344414 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: did god give you The Equivalence Relation? < 1302559966 379957 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302560006 173146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"from" graph as in the one from which you try to find stuff? that can't be complete < 1302560009 529576 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302560025 22862 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "from" graph as the domain of the homomorphism function < 1302560071 816986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so homomorphism from K_n to some graph G actually marks a K_n in G < 1302560075 482764 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map goes from the set of vertices of one graph to the set of vertices of another < 1302560086 891302 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302560087 467929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we < 1302560091 961266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re done < 1302560095 15496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me try to see why. < 1302560115 517324 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as i said it's the maximal clique problem, no? < 1302560124 59800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1302560128 180819 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we can just take that as a given < 1302560137 926776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that's NPC < 1302560146 566670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone knows that < 1302560156 778429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues thinking anyway
< 1302560229 47706 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subgraph isomorphism is a generalization of both the maximum clique problem and the problem of testing whether a graph contains a Hamiltonian cycle, and is therefore NP-complete." < 1302560250 533323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1302560274 377437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hamiltonian thing doesn't look like it would transfer to homomorphisms though < 1302560291 568730 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cycles can easily have vertices identified) < 1302560340 278709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could add new vertices inside the edges to make them directed and unique for the beginning vertex? < 1302560349 206126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302560352 912007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work at all < 1302560357 351939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise? < 1302560367 77904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers sleeping
< 1302560440 153347 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clique problem was one of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karp%27s_21_NP-complete_problems < 1302560493 72935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur mom is a np < 1302560667 975722 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course vertex equivalence and graph isomorphism are equally hard. :-) < 1302560687 742385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's vertex equivalence? < 1302560726 608950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NP-complete_problems#Iso-_and_other_morphisms lists somthing called digraph D-morphism, but the link leads nowhere < 1302560802 225370 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1302560844 95951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses that vertex equivalence means there's an isomorphism of the graph to itself mapping one vertex to the other
< 1302560884 889232 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i don't see the equally hard claim < 1302560930 57331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then vertex eq can be reduced to graph isomorphism by marking the vertex with some weird thingie i think < 1302560955 444890 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1302560956 969288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the other direction i don't see in the vaguest < 1302560975 66922 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1302561001 770943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1302561026 88576 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a graph that is the disjoint union of the two, and see if there is a vertex equivalence between vertices from different original graphs < 1302561033 620327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302561037 369416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one < 1302561050 954095 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah of course < 1302561081 683439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i solved maximum clique < 1302561103 172064 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving it NP-complete? < 1302561110 260249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302561137 400760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 3sat, and for each (x v y v z) you take three vertices which are not connected, then connect every pair x, y everywhere else, unless x = not y < 1302561148 374502 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i vaguely recall thinking about that one some months ago < 1302561150 583818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and require one vertex for all < 1302561163 473986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so find K_n where n is the number of clauses < 1302561194 618889 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :must choose exactly one from all, and it's then K_n unless you made a contradicting choice in two clauses < 1302561222 523079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1302561229 957873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i know that was very unclear < 1302561286 589926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's see if i know what i mean < 1302561359 278516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find some K_n, then you chose one from each clause, so you can just set those to true, then it doesn't matter what you do with other vars, because everything's satisfied < 1302561378 17662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can set those to true because there can't be both x and not x chosen from two clauses < 1302561402 615785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can satisfy, then just choose one from each clause, you won't get x and not x because, well, x has some value < 1302561425 367926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never felt this formally challenged
< 1302561448 878857 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are u grokking meh :( < 1302561530 632268 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall how i did it, and i think you have a flaw there. you need to also have a vertex for each variable x and each not x, to ensure all settings are globally consistent < 1302561555 633367 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise, that's the idea < 1302561567 382858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need a vertex for each variable < 1302561592 90846 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do, because you can have a set of clauses that restrict a variable without doing so "locally" < 1302561614 209989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a K_n marks a true variable in every clause < 1302561629 426026 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1302561635 344767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a satisfying valuation < 1302561637 816583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conversely < 1302561654 335367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah this might not be the most illustrative way, i just didn't see how it's done with variable vertices < 1302561677 841518 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you choose the correct value of each variable into the K_n, as vertices? < 1302561679 886924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1302561703 135128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you choose that value also in those thingies i contructed i guess < 1302561714 579018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff happens < 1302561726 870906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyhow it's kinda obvious, i should go to sleep < 1302561961 709667 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think i understand how your method works now < 1302561982 404231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1302561999 443597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm like should i try to actually do it or not < 1302562002 192272 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i can like not < 1302562006 746694 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302562033 327576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept 14 hours last night but for some reason i can't seem to do it now < 1302562079 729074 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the proof for hamiltonian path np-complete? < 1302562117 842809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually going to read that tomorrow, it's interesting how often the stuff i do at random at uni pops up here < 1302562123 722871 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall that < 1302562128 955213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually complexity theory but other stuff too i think < 1302562137 422773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't usually do ct) < 1302562144 463383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean, read ct) < 1302562149 65589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't *do* ct) < 1302562152 113883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no one does ct) < 1302562183 234838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well *directed* hamiltonian is easy < 1302562188 248409 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume the people over at godel's letter do... < 1302562221 846722 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the karp 21 page claimed undirected hamiltonian was proved by reducing it to directed < 1302562230 638777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a chain from right to left and left to right for each variable, and put these under each other, have the hamiltonian cycle go through each, in one of the two directions < 1302562236 104428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, for each clause < 1302562246 676056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a vertex, and you can visit it iff you're going in the right direction < 1302562262 320676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one of its variables < 1302562298 336649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is clear when you draw a picture, but i doubt it's gettable from that :D < 1302562474 201585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you have a start vertex up high, and two paths down from it, then between those paths, between their nth vertices, you have paths in both directions, one representing "nth variable true", one representing "nth variable false". you also have edges for changing path from left side to right as you go down < 1302562526 919243 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, somewhere in the middle of say x=false path, you have one of the edges optionally going through a vertex that signifies that a certain clause disjuncting (not x) is true < 1302562549 590772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be pretty much it < 1302562596 272061 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has brain mush again
< 1302562609 590793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain mushmshmsuhmsuhsmhshmsuhmsuhmsmhshsmhsmhsmhsmhsmhmshmshmshmsmhsmhsmhsmhsnhsmhsmh < 1302562628 850417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be happy to clarify if you feel like it < 1302562644 393672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how the fuck do you reduce directed to undirected.... < 1302562661 858441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1302562671 464184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :undirected reduced to directed? why would you do that :D < 1302562693 824573 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have edges both ways.. < 1302562694 817535 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i guess the other way < 1302562709 970455 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302562773 103077 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "reduced" as reducing NP-completeness of one to the NP-completeness of the other, which is of course the exact opposite direction of the actual problem reduction < 1302562773 253243 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so about the undirected case: i have no idea < 1302562798 925941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302562806 989979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apology accepted < 1302562809 925654 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone makes mistakes < 1302562822 299413 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S NOT OVERDO THIS < 1302562822 449707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the ones that are stuppid < 1302562823 943053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1302562826 469406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhahahahaahaa < 1302562857 292225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to wake up in 4 hours if i want to be at uni before the cleaning ppl :( < 1302562875 252482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the girl that cleans our office is the cutest little thingie < 1302562937 356354 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that was a completely orthogonal note < 1302562946 258030 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even going to the office < 1302563003 394044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow let's see how this goes after proving these mindnumbing trivialities -> < 1302563451 821901 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302563464 303669 :Imk0tter!~Imk0tter@pool-108-41-61-119.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302563469 645439 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564582 180650 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302564660 100639 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302564779 30080 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564877 845231 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564884 12813 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Changing host < 1302564884 162870 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302564955 919069 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030148.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302565724 594974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bayesians caught smuggling < 1302565724 785367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :priors into Rotterdam harbor < 1302565724 798772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rogier A. Kievit < 1302565724 798956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amsterdam, 2-2-2011. A group of < 1302565726 697977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :international Bayesians was arrested today in < 1302565728 548083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Rotterdam harbor. According to Dutch < 1302565730 566780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :customs, they were attempting to smuggle over < 1302565732 505378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 million priors into the country, hidden < 1302565734 678838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :between electronic equipment. The arrest < 1302565736 712554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :represents the largest capture of priors in history. < 1302565738 625733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘This is our biggest catch yet. Uniform priors, Gaussian priors, Dirichlet priors, even < 1302565740 622238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :informative priors, it’s all here,” says customs officers Benjamin Roosken, < 1302565742 462279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :responsible for the arrest. “There are priors for memory experiments, intelligence < 1302565744 598209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tests, flanker tasks, meta-analyses, political preference, everything! God only knows < 1302565746 646172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would have happened if this had gotten through. We’re pretty lucky to catch < 1302565748 496794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them too. The chance of being in the right place, given the right time, if you take into < 1302565750 694955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :account the number of arrests, divided by the number of successful arrests every year, < 1302565754 564592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s pretty slim. We’re very glad indeed. ” < 1302565756 551038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that pasted terribly < 1302565856 396125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302566216 536259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302566394 797131 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds