< 1302221014 575854 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302221944 229770 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222323 394903 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-97-237.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302222409 638731 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302222420 92446 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222617 803565 :wharrrgarbl!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302222660 908030 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-118-72.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222725 137427 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302222798 125832 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1302223318 715275 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302223842 823495 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302224221 515866 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302226926 101668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1302227430 72240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's learning the alphabet! How cute! < 1302227934 589087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1302227960 189931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1302228300 115466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :punching trees gives him wood < 1302228385 936482 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302228430 865766 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302228600 581174 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302228646 956004 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302229270 164687 :marchdown_!~marchdown@46.138.175.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302229280 271828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi marchdown < 1302229290 926733 :marchdown!~marchdown@46.138.162.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302229291 453299 :marchdown_!~marchdown@46.138.175.160 NICK :marchdown < 1302230396 72694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MemoServ- [...]'s inbox is full < 1302230399 142722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a new one. < 1302231123 165425 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302231166 963473 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302232201 276525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read a blog post called "Pharo, the death kneel of Squeak?" < 1302232211 235290 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And misread it as "Pharo, the death kneel of Smalltalk?" < 1302232219 49165 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is on a Cincom blog, so) < 1302233618 707658 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302233659 449380 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302236790 778260 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302236801 884234 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302237179 81512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302238883 237440 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302238984 660201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, crud, found a bug in some Pharo documentation < 1302239148 919871 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302239216 431664 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/mls/blogView?entry=3429226129 ? < 1302239238 669136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302239652 534970 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302239689 634989 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302239876 53157 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PART :#esoteric < 1302240205 834696 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302240241 527351 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302240860 134543 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302240920 313560 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302241757 341158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302243097 724413 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302243123 592024 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302243956 886802 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1302244937 64805 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302245075 892380 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302246941 779329 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I am becoming more and more convinced that programming (heavily, exclusively) in Python changes the way you think for the worse." <<< python hasn't changed me at all, i think < 1302247020 878719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" idea: language where all expressions have side effects. an integer expression is in fact of the form kB where B is a block of code (possibly empty) that is executed k times." <<< this is how you implement integers in lc, kinda, except for the side-effects part :D < 1302247762 446288 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302248117 410454 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302249995 778189 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302250021 438824 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302250283 614988 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302250430 757343 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : -MemoServ- [...]'s inbox is full < 1302250444 759465 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you, its notice is too subtle... < 1302250496 397636 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose that might not be the cause there < 1302251714 750207 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228139.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302251767 453617 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062069.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302253002 322227 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302253788 479390 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302254434 483904 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228139.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302255094 864036 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302255163 501824 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302255735 662957 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228089.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302256732 42531 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a VLQ stream could you use 0x80 as a terminator? (That is, assuming you are not in the middle of a number) < 1302258023 180691 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302258109 391816 :cheater00!~cheater@g230228089.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302258184 190872 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302262260 745248 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302263603 505038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302265401 417998 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1302265650 584608 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302267699 719129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["Jake liked his women the way he liked his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and covered with short brown fuzzy hair."]] < 1302267699 869548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a succinct Bulwer-Lytton. < 1302267999 498306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just saw an Evony ad without any breasts at all. < 1302269478 800666 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302269516 845653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today seems to be a day for the impossible. < 1302269526 520924 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302269716 980735 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net NICK :Lymia < 1302269717 508562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I finally succeeded at something! < 1302269718 587697 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-69-149-32-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1302269718 738563 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1302269722 940350 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why must the Bulwer-Lytton web site be the most abysmally 1993 web site ever? < 1302269725 744389 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302269737 9213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I realised $800 is absurd for a domain name! < 1302269746 778427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found something I don't hate! < 1302269754 349657 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm very very angry! < 1302269779 168488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps I take myself a bit too seriously! < 1302269782 514707 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, $800 is not absurd for a domain name if it's libc.so, you're not gettin' that out of me :P < 1302269825 119515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IPv4 exhaustion? I haven't really been following it... < 1302269885 166092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK I NEED MORE < 1302269964 496632 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Today I shall make enough of an impression on someone that they could identify me personality and parody it. < 1302269966 64762 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHH < 1302269999 629034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :D < 1302270040 827249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, I forgot to pay for something. Ah, well, it's not worth fretting over. < 1302270138 642281 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : [A completely normal comment.] < 1302270206 445732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found something I don't hate! <-- that actually happens, but then after looking at it for five more minutes he realizes he did in fact hate it. < 1302270259 906766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<{aloril, bsmntbombdood, dbc, enki-[quit], iamcal, jcp, jix, lifthrasiir, mtve, mycroftiv, pingveno, rodgort, sebbu, sftp, shachaf, SimonRC, yiyus, Zwaarddijk}> ANYTHING AT ALL < 1302270272 549414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302270305 515225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait what, the domain is at $800 ? That's insane < 1302270316 933323 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The domain finally went for $1,350 < 1302270322 768170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, who won it? < 1302270329 849473 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. 449 < 1302270336 782702 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you then? < 1302270352 443646 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Mr. 442 :P < 1302270356 113881 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302270795 296772 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Zwaarddijk talks. < 1302270814 596797 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a time when bsmntbombdood, SimonRC and jix talked :P < 1302270825 543092 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc is an enigma. < 1302270843 459701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a Researcher Of Brainfuck, no? < 1302270853 118569 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENIGMA < 1302270948 514838 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1302271197 218043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, To add to Gregor's list: lifthrasiir used to talk. mycroftiv talks sometimes, but rarely. sebbu I remember talking too. < 1302271235 423063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said tonnes back in The Day. < 1302271241 239514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dbc, that is.) < 1302271299 243864 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENIGMA < 1302271584 245094 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus.. osx is so terrible.. i am having flashbacks < 1302271612 794304 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, can't alt-tab to a window? what? < 1302271626 934773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, cmd-tab? < 1302271630 784484 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluttering the switcher menu with inactive applications? < 1302271637 44781 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it's "an alt-tab" < 1302271647 147207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, same thing... < 1302271660 10890 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not, because you can't alt-tab into a window < 1302271670 676472 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can alt-tab into an applciation and it brings up all of its windows at once. < 1302271681 53885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, I have another one. < 1302271681 481708 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to multitasking a'la 1982 < 1302271690 870819 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best of them all.. you install applications by copying folders. < 1302271692 55728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I grew up! < 1302271712 672575 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is that why all this hair has started showing up in weird places? < 1302271757 342605 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait, growing up - i'm glad they didn't put me in a retirement house yet! < 1302271780 966923 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, actually, self-contained applications is a good idea. The OS X packages may or may not be a good way to do that though. < 1302271801 276888 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an insanely bad idea < 1302271805 703124 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i copy it to the wrong spot? < 1302271808 487109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on windows, and linux, applications tend to spread out < 1302271823 671001 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the idea of doing it like osx does it is bad < 1302271832 152015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has package manager, that works. Windows is a mess when it comes to installing/uninstalling things. < 1302271833 189283 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-containment might have some merit, but i am not so sure either < 1302271838 592096 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like packages with dependencies more < 1302271845 465222 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, osx is a similar mess < 1302271874 150114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, not quite. As for copying to wrong spot, I doubt things would blow up < 1302271878 90146 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, let's have a billion copies of the same software in slightly-incompatible versions with different bugs in them < 1302271929 214149 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the lacking of a real alt-tab is devastating to my productivity < 1302271949 183496 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the mouse to navigate between firefox windows? who's come up with that sick joke? < 1302271969 119217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, Only thing I use often that doesn't do tabs or such inside a single main window is gimp < 1302271990 575051 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things, like browser, text editor, and so on, are tabbed or similar. < 1302272001 772279 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs ok < 1302272005 246602 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i use tabs + windows < 1302272011 394871 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, why do you use multiple firefox windows... < 1302272038 366926 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one window for email, one window for reading up on whatever technology i am using right now, one window for another technology, one window for something else < 1302272053 277384 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, anyway, I'm sure there is some third party program to do what you want. Or you could install linux on that thing. < 1302272087 65572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, email is a separate program, no? < 1302272102 678819 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gmail. < 1302272109 743412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302272117 445551 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderbird or such < 1302272122 211242 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, gmail < 1302272145 386798 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like gmail is running on my compu^w mac < 1302272156 917436 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't call a mac a computer :| < 1302272164 854873 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... can't. *sigh* < 1302272174 128407 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use gmail from thunderbird with IMAP < 1302272184 964719 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use gmail with firefox < 1302272226 457220 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: another thing is that all the software on mac is paid-for < 1302272251 297040 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the next version you'll need to pay-for the ability to create directories < 1302272256 922159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm sure there is some solution to your issue. Besides alt-tab is rather inefficient I find. Unless you just have a handful of windows/programs you end up tabbing a lot < 1302272280 853088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :with more than 10 windows or so, alt-tab is pretty much unusable < 1302272292 827228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they happen to lie close to each other < 1302272322 219373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : i bet the next version you'll need to pay-for the ability to create directories <-- that made no sense. < 1302272330 247659 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i usually end up using only a few windows during any given extended time < 1302272370 316729 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so alt-tab works well, i only need to alt-tab 3-deep most times < 1302272382 941736 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302272395 20893 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i am changing my workflow (for example, starting to work on something else) i usually use the taskbar... oh wait, osx HAS NO TASKBAR < 1302272396 277399 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1302272455 500583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a dock, which you can put stuff in. And also shows open programs. From what I remember the windows 7 task bar works pretty much the same. < 1302272631 109928 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302272676 9492 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129009.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302272782 993570 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i bet the next version you'll need to pay-for the ability to create directories <-- that made no sense. < what i meant was that you have to pay for such simple things, things that in linux have been solved ages ago, to much better effect than those paid-for options for mac, and the linux versions are free. < 1302273187 986324 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To continue your "impossibilities" theme: [something that is not an ASCII-art fractal] < 1302273223 765848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302273226 896729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT THE CLOG HEADER FILE CHANGED < 1302273237 856090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For pre-2011 clog logs, go to http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/old/." < 1302273238 181874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1302273239 757504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wtf < 1302273241 393488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just stupid < 1302273244 338637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all log links are broken < 1302273261 858686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1302273265 388160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're only available in zip now < 1302273280 696659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, though. < 1302273289 19166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't. < 1302273298 811900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking links is not a good idea. Ever. < 1302273360 852258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fair enough. < 1302273372 125106 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302273385 500044 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1302273419 850736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, it is *sometimes*.) < 1302273435 28410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not for small, easily-kept, widely-publicised (in the community) plain text files like IRC logs.) < 1302273873 827563 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the only sensible solution is for #esoteric to become an IDF (International DOI Foundation) registered Registration Agency, and thereafter assign a DOI for each #esoteric log-line, to ensure them links will always stay intact. < 1302273886 529308 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1302273939 717412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302274174 768464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302274199 782815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302274574 439571 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a DOI? < 1302274634 837685 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-118-72.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1302274955 114101 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a supposedly-permanent-identifier-for-an-object thing; quite a lot of sciencey publishers provide DOIs for their papers. < 1302274984 795657 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least significant enough to not be in Wikipedia :P < 1302275077 147596 :Slereah!~buttes@ANantes-259-1-112-151.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1302275095 236519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302275213 276298 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why have you not told me what DOI stands for? < 1302275526 240106 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302275670 820520 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302276249 753571 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302276313 370221 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Document Object Identifier. < 1302276327 569343 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, Digital. < 1302276335 49377 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's in Wikipedia all right. < 1302276448 854590 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it is, I just didn't speculate that that would be the expansion you were going for. < 1302276574 786437 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302276694 569659 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, sometimes, but rarely ;) < 1302276985 480757 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277086 333945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:35:22: Phantom_Hoover: Why must the Bulwer-Lytton web site be the most abysmally 1993 web site ever? < 1302277101 895772 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@c-d3a972d5.011-367-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277103 410817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because the Bulwer-Lytton is ~0% as awesome as the Lyttle Lytton. < 1302277186 928300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:42:18: [A completely normal comment.] < 1302277190 545441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this is the best thing ever :D < 1302277206 959295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:53:34: I remember a time when bsmntbombdood, SimonRC and jix talked :P < 1302277210 673792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i remember when the first two did < 1302277225 388111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:53:45: dbc is an enigma. < 1302277225 550350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED HE'S VERY BUSY < 1302277251 689612 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277263 696489 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302277268 111225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:24: jesus.. osx is so terrible.. i am having flashbacks < 1302277268 436705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:52: seriously, can't alt-tab to a window? what? < 1302277276 12506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES OS X IS APPLICATION ORIENTED AND IT TAKES A DIFFERENT KEY COMBO TO SWITCH WINDOWS < 1302277294 891741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:08:10: and the best of them all.. you install applications by copying folders. < 1302277295 42354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH INSANELY CRAPPY INSTALLERS, APPLICATIONS ARE SELF-CONTAINED AND seriously there is not a single thing wrong with applications as directories? < 1302277298 561926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the poorest trolling ever < 1302277366 787918 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277377 634937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:09:40: cheater99, actually, self-contained applications is a good idea. The OS X packages may or may not be a good way to do that though. < 1302277377 803032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:01: it's an insanely bad idea < 1302277377 964615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:05: what if i copy it to the wrong spot? < 1302277378 115443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302277385 45150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should totally not be feeding the troll but what the hell, Vorpal already did < 1302277386 351451 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277399 596944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially considering that os x apps can run from anywhere anyway < 1302277412 383889 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a PART :#esoteric < 1302277461 683677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:33:07: Phantom_Hoover: To continue your "impossibilities" theme: [something that is not an ASCII-art fractal] < 1302277466 518541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 2002 much? < 1302277501 754560 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X's implementation of virtual desktops ("spaces") is abysmally bad, and in particular breaks modal windows; if they open in a non-current space, they have all modal properties except that they are not always-on-top or visible on every space, so they force the user (me) to play Hunt The Window. Other than that my problems with OS X are mainly its hilariously obsolete console userland and pointlessly flashy UI. LET THE TROLLERY BEGIN. < 1302277510 499574 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am such an old-fashioned guy. < 1302277513 824390 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302277518 911612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nobody likes Spaces X-P < 1302277522 612200 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277547 217863 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC: 7 215 616 IP addresses left (0.43 blocks, down 0.08): 64k to China, 3x4k+1k to Japan, 1M to South Korea, 256 to Signapore, 6x32k to Thailand, 16k+2k to Vietnam < 1302277551 42964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nothing you said is incorrect, unlike every single incredibly poor trolling attempt by cheater that still provoked me and Vorpal into replying :P < 1302277576 723030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302277586 822414 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like appdirs, wish LiGnuX (lol) would adopt 'em. < 1302277600 935050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ROX is that way :P < 1302277615 660792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (ROX being the rather dead attempt to clone the RISC OS environment on LeeGNUx.) < 1302277633 968952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ROX Filer actually supports them, anyway, and IIRC there's some kind of Zero-Install integration :P < 1302277640 496343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ROX Filer is also the only tolerable graphical file manager.) < 1302277663 372840 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only tolerable graphical file manager is coreutils in an xterm! < 1302277689 148045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want a terminal/file manager hybrid that lets me type "t*" and all the files starting with t in the current directory would get highlighted in the top pane :P < 1302277700 787749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also select files graphically and have it update a glob on the command line. < 1302277727 827021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "mv foo.png [fishes in top pane through subdir hierarchy for the right dir] a/b/c/d" < 1302277758 3212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302277789 263010 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also waiting for PureDarwin :P < 1302277796 345582 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY YEAR NOW MAN < 1302277797 838119 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY YEAR NOW < 1302277826 448748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I want the opposite... I want someone to use that Mach-O loader to port all the OS X foundation libraries and then run the Quartz display server on it X-D < 1302277851 282457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO KNOWN AS: The easiest way to get a userland newer than 10 years old in an OS X environment < 1302277878 962207 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm not sure what the purpose of using maloader is for that ... < 1302277891 245038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because... all the OS X Quartz binaries... are Mach-Os? < 1302277894 109234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And closed source? < 1302277899 301434 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PureDarwin uses Mach-O, and is compatible with console Mac OS X apps. < 1302277919 527998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, you could do that. < 1302277926 103620 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle you could drag over the appropriate files from a Mac OS X install and make some beastly hybrid. < 1302277934 934868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : OS X's implementation of virtual desktops ("spaces") is abysmally bad, and in particular breaks modal windows; if they open in a non-current space, they have all modal properties except that they are not always-on-top or visible on every space, so they force the user (me) to play Hunt The Window. Other than that my problems with OS X are mainly its hilariously obsolete console userland and poin < 1302277935 181432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tlessly flashy UI. LET THE TROLLERY BEGIN. <-- apart from system auth dialogs and critical system error messages, modal windows are a *bad* idea. < 1302277940 387699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah the line length < 1302277942 115327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the kernel modules and drivers and the like would interact properly :P < 1302277951 559059 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, they are, but that doesn't make it OK to break them ... < 1302277961 102052 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True enough *shrugs* < 1302277974 983383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, the thing with app folders is that they're... wait for it... essentially just static linking. < 1302277983 278667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if done in the OS X "every app includes its dependencies" sense. < 1302277985 457518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, they shouldn't be permitted IMO. Like you should need to run with elevated privs to be able to tell the windowing system to show a modal window. < 1302278001 134491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could have a nice deduplicative system that hard-links libraries with equivalent checksums and filenames, but :P < 1302278018 165492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm sayin' is: STATIC LINKING IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER < 1302278071 845028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how hard would it be to make a screen locker kind of application without the unlocking stuff? I doubt you need special privs with X11 for it, other than the basic "permitted to talk to server" < 1302278093 900575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Depends how you define "modal" < 1302278107 864743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's "modal to one window/application", that's shitty, but not something to ban < 1302278111 530350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, modal within an application would be okay yeah < 1302278112 23814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as the app could simulate it itself. < 1302278114 142808 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Static linking is fine, people just have to learn that there's a distinction between "random vendor-supplied garbage" and "random distro-supplied garbage", and different types of linking and inclusion policies are better for each. < 1302278121 914722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what I meant here was system wide modal < 1302278159 369792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure... but on a typical Linux system, there's not much more than libc that fits the system-wide dynamic policy there :P < 1302278198 429293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe libpng and the like, ncurses, arguably gtk/qt, ... < 1302278212 436588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which should pretty much be limited to stuff like auth dialogs, confirmation of shutdown/log out, and criticial errors ("system logger just crashed" would be a good example) < 1302278213 594703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh < 1302278226 545580 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, now that you've covered 95% of libraries that programs typically link to, what next? :P < 1302278252 375908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I said ARGUABLY gtk/qt, I don't think I'd dynamically link those in reality. < 1302278264 399670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't trust GUI lib vendors to not fuck up the ABI :) < 1302278287 176812 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -h /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtWebKit.so.4.6.2 < 1302278287 365440 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16M /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtWebKit.so.4.6.2 < 1302278304 207561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have an idea. It has probably been thought of before. On-the-fly static linking. (Probably with some OS-managed caching though) < 1302278305 571040 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not an argument, just an observation I always ♥) < 1302278338 97855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, that's a really convincing argument that C++ and Qt and WebKit all need to die in a fiery pit :P < 1302278364 600717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically it statically links in .a and .o on as required when you run it. This would allow deduplicative storage too < 1302278378 901606 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What OBLISK did way back when I maintained it was accept any host libraries that pass the ldd -r test, and if they don't it swapped them out for included libraries. So bugfixes or distro integration could be used in most cases, but it would work in other cases. < 1302278388 149453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the typical benefit of static linking (only links what you need) doesn't really help there because (1) there's not that many separate components to WebKit from an app point of view and (2) they probably don't separate their object files properly because that would be horrific in C++. < 1302278433 854379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Honestly I'm *actually* a total dynamic linking fan, it's just that Unix fucks it up like everything :P < 1302278449 827442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like static linking on Unix purely because it's less of a headache. < 1302278462 273886 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, OBLISK? < 1302278469 232669 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And you prefer what, PE/COFF .dlls? :P < 1302278480 47227 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A portable appdir system I made once a long long time ago. < 1302278498 604138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1302278553 205032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I prefer a late-bound object (FSVO 〃) ecosystem X-D < 1302278561 812995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do "only links what you need" with dynamic linking too. /lib/libc/printf.so eh? < 1302278596 880169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, Unicode has mutton spaces. < 1302278606 757693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how does webkit compare to boost on that system? < 1302278620 207994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what on earth is a "mutton space"? < 1302278654 909542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a mutton space. < 1302278659 390566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "boost" < 1302278663 404955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boost doesn't have all that many object files < 1302278665 553429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly headers :P < 1302278670 532262 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1302278686 437946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ libraries can only be statically linked because of templates, pretty much... statically source-linked. With headers. < 1302278693 735613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Template-based C++ libraries, that is.) < 1302278707 94045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does have the longest symbols names on my system though (both when mangled and unmangled) < 1302278723 608777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a few .so < 1302278829 108505 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203172.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302278879 812662 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302278920 701932 :cheater00!~cheater@e181129184.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302278927 789001 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New estimate for APNIC depletion: Friday 15th April. < 1302278973 547446 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1302278997 799171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what happens then? Some special rule for last block? < 1302279008 80633 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow week: 0.33 blocks. < 1302279026 155775 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302279167 9562 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that slow and fast weeks alternate. Week before this used about 0.56 blocks. < 1302279208 671725 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in alternation, next week would be "fast", depling APNIC. < 1302279215 443172 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*depleting < 1302279251 404367 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302279256 730356 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, for a moment I thought "depling" was some sort of new hip Internet slang for depletion-in-the-context-of-IPv4. < 1302279280 467762 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302279519 779754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:58:24: elliott, I have an idea. It has probably been thought of before. On-the-fly static linking. (Probably with some OS-managed caching though) < 1302279519 969482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka... < 1302279521 388550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic linking? < 1302279620 211434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not quite. < 1302279629 142190 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134171.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302279649 669589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the dynamic linker (ld.so) works quite differently from the static linker (ld) < 1302279668 426286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would however work better with byte code I think < 1302279692 666205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what does smalltalk do? I'm not sure how to classify it < 1302279760 759313 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203172.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302280212 135587 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logspace: /9.217. Binary Decomposition: /10+/11+/13+/14+/15+/20+/21+/23. < 1302280364 210222 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable NICK :invariable < 1302280651 437568 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block counts (start at /10): 1, 2, 4, 9, 19, 38, 76, 163, 346, 756, 1586, 3309, 6749, 13738, 28186. < 1302280715 287790 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, 19 large blocks (256k) remain. < 1302281073 924629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK GUYS I HAVE COME UP WITH MY PRETENTIOUS LATIN MOTTO < 1302281087 989161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIRCVMDOR IDIOTAM < 1302281244 744572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302281429 985792 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302282348 773740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302282355 238166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whaddya mean "what does smalltalk do"? < 1302283001 146584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, with it's world image thingy, does it link the executable code for running it at runtime? < 1302283024 175196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if they JIT, interpret or whatever < 1302283166 616043 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302283169 777143 :marchdown!~marchdown@46.138.175.160 QUIT :Quit: marchdown < 1302283234 942132 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302283253 594511 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: When new code is encountered, the Smalltalk VM sends it to smalltalk.arpa:666, where it is received by the only living human who understands Smalltalk. He rewrites it in C, which is sent back to the VM. The VM compiles that C into an object file and dynamically loads that into its current environment. < 1302283278 290338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1302283292 919875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:41: elliott, well, with it's world image thingy, does it link the executable code for running it at runtime? < 1302283295 783520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what this means. < 1302283661 327078 :joojii!~stevecase@76.91.108.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302283677 274641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joojii iiijijojojo < 1302283728 914718 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aha. Well that explains why I never managed to get it working without an internet connection. < 1302283810 440006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikien4.appspot.com/wiki/Main_Page < 1302283826 308113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gonna clarify? :P < 1302283830 894919 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut < 1302283838 466108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ELMERFUDDPEDIA < 1302283864 985970 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like how it replaced "the" but not "The" < 1302283882 281815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not sure what I meant. But does smalltalk need a linker to execute? < 1302283903 114576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from, you know, for loading the virtual machine on the host os) < 1302283913 311906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To execute what? The Smalltalk VM? A given method? < 1302283928 131958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the latter I guess < 1302284110 606178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why would it? < 1302284124 615635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does Python require a linker for a method to execute "obj = Foo(); obj.bar()"? < 1302284274 880523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, arguably you could say that it has a kind of linker for "import somemodule" < 1302284285 962817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really in the normal sense of linker though < 1302284324 976881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really a linker; it just executes somemodule.py in the current global context, really. < 1302284624 340923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What TLDs have A records? < 1302284627 550941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai does, com doesn't. < 1302284672 557825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, right. I guess it would be more of a linker (though still not very much) for something like java < 1302284691 40972 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IIRC, none anymore (but some IIRC did in the past). < 1302284692 511522 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ilari: What TLDs have A records? --> none should < 1302284702 883986 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: do you mean the wildcard domains? < 1302284706 70389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai. 86400 IN A 209.59.119.34 < 1302284709 758061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: invariable: factually incorrect < 1302284713 920746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC n@ai is a guy called Ian :-) < 1302284725 340317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser will refuse to go to http://ai/. but the IP works. < 1302284742 722135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .ai, where is that? < 1302284744 736542 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: strange. < 1302284748 480556 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about http://ai./? < 1302284753 88170 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there are those (I looked it wrong). < 1302284759 85556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1302284771 747617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many email clients will send to n@ai. < 1302284774 693207 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai. doesn't just have a A record, it has _MX_ record. < 1302284775 727701 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and lucky guy that Ian. < 1302284790 444962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Thus the email I guess :-P < 1302284800 740641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, dig(1) doesn't give me the NX record. < 1302284817 426809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dig ai. IN MX < 1302284818 71408 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: most email clients won't send to all RFC compliant email addresses < 1302284819 264855 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, no AAAA records. < 1302284824 733833 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo@foo.com"@a < 1302284825 243286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: of course :P < 1302284827 673401 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1302284829 100029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Write an complain ;) < 1302284832 728957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: You forgot (comments). < 1302284843 817443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that gives me the MX record. Sure you remembered IN MX? < 1302284846 32584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; ANSWER SECTION: < 1302284846 196310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tk. 300 IN A 217.119.57.22 < 1302284861 949292 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh. by I stand by my none *should* comment before < 1302284864 389124 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* btw < 1302284870 976878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: YOU ARE NO FUN. < 1302284872 649205 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :some *might have* but they shouldn't < 1302284886 561877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up, I want a three-character domain name :-D < 1302284888 617375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE DAY < 1302284898 31068 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I WANT A GOOD DOMAIN NAME TOO < 1302284907 548696 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't have MX record, but A record is enough for SMTP to attempt delivery. < 1302284909 307808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T SAY SUCH THINGS THEN < 1302284912 751021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: most email clients won't send to all RFC compliant email addresses <-- pine/alpine/mutt can even handle comments with escaped end-comment symbols within. Way more than for example thunderbird can < 1302284923 218039 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: SO DID I. < 1302284924 233609 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ofc. < 1302284930 191268 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BUT YOU ARE GETTING ONE < 1302284931 419264 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: We can't always get what we want. < 1302284939 105384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Waaaah < 1302284946 401743 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Dood, I didn't get libc.so < 1302284946 976589 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you failed the libc.so auction? < 1302284952 177136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: Nope, it went to $1,000,000 which was 2 cents over his limit. < 1302284952 807669 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1302284961 773534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(His pocket money for the week) < 1302284978 348670 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ouch. I wonder who did get it < 1302284996 932035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, I think he said it went to $1300 or something around there < 1302285002 249437 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was still over his budget < 1302285005 189006 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1302285009 240356 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1302285014 977844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, elliott was (of course) exaggerating < 1302285017 161953 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: We will soon know who got it :P < 1302285021 596205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAID $1,000,000 OK < 1302285025 279837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS THE PRICE < 1302285068 43359 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: To elliott, $1,000 is effectively infinite money, and values greater than infinity are like matter at speeds faster than light; theoretically possible, but impossible to see or measure. < 1302285080 235607 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"greater than $1,000" that is, since $1,000 = infinity. < 1302285086 312243 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ua. doesn't have A/AAAA but has MX records. :-) < 1302285089 935208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Trololololololol < 1302285155 757457 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable: The same goes for ais btw. < 1302285171 357654 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ saturation arithmetic < 1302285200 533361 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302285208 120798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor is rationalising away anyone who tells him that spending $800 on a domain isn't worth it) < 1302285212 307769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trololololololol < 1302285225 741705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I like that explanation! < 1302285234 696571 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, did I typo that?) < 1302285239 361862 :invariable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away
< 1302285245 940947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT ESCAPE < 1302285248 798137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, you are? < 1302285292 825342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariable, if you are away, how can you possibly say that? Or did you use a timer to cause your irc client to say that after you left? < 1302285325 265584 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's locked in a matrix of solidity. He cannot respond. < 1302285334 895657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1302285603 46674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about $75 for early access to a game and dev tools for it? < 1302285654 927864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1302285678 642935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508284443/grandroids-real-artificial-life-on-your-pc I want the $75 level < 1302285764 792779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you see your section of the List of Impossible Things. < 1302285771 331040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of expanding it. < 1302285785 708711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I paid for something! < 1302285786 427394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302285800 396996 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302285801 25135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I succeeded at something! < 1302285802 235423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that NestedVM uses GCC 3.3.6, which will not compile under GCC 4.1 or later." < 1302285814 914361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eagerly await the day where the only thing that compile a given gcc version is that gcc version. < 1302285819 785198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, but would "I paid for something!" be the expansion? < 1302285828 482836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, dunno. < 1302285835 65488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have moneys, don't you? < 1302285845 425281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to access monies < 1302285852 803536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But but he'd have to ask his father < 1302285865 593837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the word "dad" appears in the reason for that I am coming to America. < 1302285869 558911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And killing him. < 1302285873 753850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no. < 1302285920 462742 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, hm, arguably you could say that it has a kind of linker for "import somemodule" < 1302285932 817352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey cpressey. For all intensive purposes they will hopefully take for granite the peek affect on our moral of loosing there free rain over how we will be faring after pouring over the data which was delivered to late. < 1302285941 532440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being dragged off to Italy, then I have to crash that LW meeting. < 1302285949 415961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU FOOL < 1302285951 374097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I forgot that python actually ran code in the module, if you have any outside functions < 1302285952 233144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T MENTION IT IN A PUBLIC CHANNEL < 1302285952 564141 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could say it has some kind of linker for "foo.bar" < 1302285954 899631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1302285956 43807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1302285956 947458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELIEZER YUDKOWSKY KNOWS ALL < 1302285957 362568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so scratch that < 1302285964 54612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SORRY I SUCK AT THIS SORT OF THING < 1302285974 466280 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1302285978 243663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: NOTHING < 1302285978 900150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPENED < 1302285984 105639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID I MENTION ALL THE THINGS ME AND EHIRD BLEW UP < 1302285986 743006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN MC < 1302286025 68475 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't < 1302286033 815721 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac. has A, ai. has A/MX, as. has MX, bi. has A, bj. has MX, cf. has MX, cm. has A, dj. has MX, dk. has A, dm. has MX, gg. has A, gp. has MX, gt. has MX, hk. has A, hr. has MX, io. has A/MX, je. has A, kh. has MX, km. has MX, lk. has MX, < 1302286042 138938 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh. has MX, mq. has MX, ne. has MX, pa. has MX, ph. has A, pn. has A, sh. has A, td. has A, tk. has A, tm. has A, to. has A, tt. has MX, ua. has MX, uz. has A, va. has MX, ws. has A/MX, xn--o3cw4h. has A and ye. has MX. < 1302286057 707735 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No AAAA records. :-/ < 1302286085 575740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at the xn- one < 1302286096 450652 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be a IDN one, right? < 1302286099 667992 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1302286099 959295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which country < 1302286103 928102 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ .bi < 1302286109 609986 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to buy porn.bi < 1302286115 228563 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably owned :P ) < 1302286119 597233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also bj < 1302286123 528674 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thailand apparently. < 1302286126 435096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :free.bj < 1302286144 125423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bi./ Bisexuality: It works! < 1302286152 309088 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I looked them up on Wikipedia, .bj isn't available to just anyone :P < 1302286164 761790 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BAHAHAHAHA < 1302286165 465753 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1302286177 89835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what about TXT records? Does any have that? < 1302286183 942755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When googling for ".bj": < 1302286185 90581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How To Give a Good BJ < 1302286185 416062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 min - 14 May 2008 < 1302286185 566463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howcast.com < 1302286192 272793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THIS EXIST < 1302286204 886673 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some, including URLs, SPF records and general text. < 1302286206 782088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain names that: < 1302286207 4968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are composed of a single nature; < 1302286207 155591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are composed of two letters only; < 1302286207 155755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin or end with an indent “-”; or < 1302286207 155875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are of a length greater than 255 characters (or 63 by under field) < 1302286209 805070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot be recorded. < 1302286215 763575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a really awkward paragraph < 1302286228 71151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Now curl(1) all the domains with As, and filter out all the no-responses and "It works!"s :P < 1302286242 915075 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where is that from? < 1302286281 685502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think some redirects to the nic < 1302286335 639618 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite many TLDs have MX records. Wonder how many places would reject those addresses. :-) < 1302287203 719120 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302287315 387013 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302287332 244448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1302287335 17824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are cpressey < 1302287388 445894 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am? < 1302287451 960193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302287456 812027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science confirms it. < 1302287465 878953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cpressey has quit (Quit: leaving) < 1302287466 85123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan (oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no) has joined #esoteric < 1302287471 389445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Impossible Thing: < 1302287477 704985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say "WORLD'S QUICKEST SEX CHANGE" < 1302287480 677896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was like... wait... what? < 1302287488 639365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my brain knows something about cpressey and/or oerjan that I don't < 1302287497 610173 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : QUICK I NEED MORE < 1302287505 147176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes ok i will use my operator powers to remove trolls. < 1302287505 592060 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are overrated < 1302287514 263740 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1302287523 5078 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that one too < 1302287535 347418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :douchebag oerjan < 1302287537 27787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANS ELLIOTT < 1302287537 248967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1302287540 447529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T BAN ANYONE WHO ISN'T ELLIOTT < 1302287553 961274 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1302287555 408449 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU ARE NOT BANNED SHUTUP < 1302287555 578013 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302287564 429097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Shut up about banning! < 1302287564 579350 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SHUTUP on the other hand is banned) < 1302287609 991245 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, antisomething < 1302287617 828813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antiwhat < 1302287642 975330 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :antioptbot < 1302287647 51073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1302287724 514479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Neil Gaiman's episode of Doctor Who is going to be called "The Doctor's Wife". < 1302287732 507398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fanwank detector is going off. < 1302287832 434139 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, To add to Gregor's list: lifthrasiir used to talk. mycroftiv talks sometimes, but rarely. sebbu I remember talking too. < 1302287838 956351 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve talked the other day < 1302287864 403725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, WHY IS SHUTUP BANNED < 1302287881 100097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. But isn't Neil Gaiman competent? < 1302287888 163395 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he didn't ? < 1302287890 696557 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly so the whole channel won't be spammed by elliott trying to annoy Sgeo < 1302287924 375827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, he is, but remember that he'll still have to work it into whatever stupid story arc they have. < 1302287943 947018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm okay < 1302287948 508659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm seriously wondering how Doctor Who is going to keep up the endless escalation of series finale threats.) < 1302287968 942844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, they still have a handful of doctors to go, right? < 1302287980 738023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUTURE EARTH" "MODERN EARTH" "THE UNIVERSE" "REALITY ITSELF" "ERM... SAME AGAIN" "DITTO" < 1302288015 33908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean, as cliff hangers or what? < 1302288022 994079 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm there was a severe lack of Sgeo in that list. although he probably needs his own section. < 1302288038 825132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no there wasn't? < 1302288048 171323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you looking at logs, or just scrollback? < 1302288052 86584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I mean the inevitable and hammy as hell series finales. < 1302288055 459243 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302288060 757246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1302288085 6377 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i didn't see it because he took a break after it before all the others < 1302288112 104726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FUTURE EARTH" "MODERN EARTH" "THE UNIVERSE" "REALITY ITSELF" "ERM... SAME AGAIN" "DITTO" < 1302288118 460422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well we could always revisit TIME ITSELF < 1302288123 548497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think I kind of summed up most of the Sgeo ones < 1302288130 421192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, which one was TIME ITSELF? < 1302288144 937824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The special. You know, with DEM GALLIFREY PEEPS. < 1302288148 893781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Series 4 or the Year Of the Specials? < 1302288156 456682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year Of The Specials, then. < 1302288165 1205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is "time itself" worse than "reality itself"? < 1302288179 598573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it means that, like, time never happened. < 1302288191 671278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can work it into my "time is 2D" theory for Doctor Who. < 1302288212 111281 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the next level up is _our_ reality; they need to burn down the bbc or something. < 1302288212 261670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I'm having some trouble telling if time never happening or reality never happening is worst. < 1302288247 662990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1302288270 574890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Define "time is 2D". < 1302288281 11527 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302288285 122278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rather than one time axis, you have 2, time and metatime. < 1302288296 554825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:39:28: Phantom_Hoover, well, they still have a handful of doctors to go, right? < 1302288302 519366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To go"? They have an infinite amount. < 1302288311 998344 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302288318 285441 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's some quote somewhere about a maximum of 12, which they just surpassed. < 1302288322 441950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they should have started smaller. Then they would have more time left. Like "Hyde Park itself", "London itself", "England itself", "UK itself", "Europe itself" and so on < 1302288326 559097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no they didn't. < 1302288331 917175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on 11 out of 13. < 1302288346 389003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OH RIGHT, they're going to end a wildly popular 60s-onwards money-cow franchise... < 1302288357 23627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of an easily handwaved-away limit. < 1302288370 33043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY I was explaining metatime. < 1302288370 195181 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is one of these "some fan saw this somewhere" limit, not one of these "the show will actually end" limits :P < 1302288373 637671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well they will have to do something about that limit. < 1302288376 951243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks to the energy from the TARDIS, I can DOUBLE my regenerations! YOU WON'T WIN THIS TIME, DALEKS!!!!!!!" < 1302288389 733855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's an official limit, actually. < 1302288399 989765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, Doctor Who is horrific at internal consistency. < 1302288401 136230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1302288404 683872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An official limit that will stand until it is reached :P < 1302288409 971749 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ohright; not twelve doctors, twelve regenerations. And I was off by one on which doctor we're on. < 1302288431 927857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so time, rather than being immutable, is mutable as metatime advances. < 1302288433 842435 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two off by one errors < 1302288440 261066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. <-- hm, that sounds awesome, but would other people see me floating sideways (my time) < 1302288443 700273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a terrible explanation, but it'll have to do. < 1302288456 728281 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if I bump into a wall then < 1302288466 510534 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. But the time dimension as space is what makes it really wtfery :P < 1302288468 674383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you go back in time and kill Hitler, you go forwards in metatime and the structure of time changes. < 1302288477 368619 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only if you actually move in the dimension that is _their_ time... < 1302288493 120989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302288494 267675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err? < 1302288496 296378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be cool btw. < 1302288499 776788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say cool, I mean horrifying. < 1302288503 829702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovecraftian. < 1302288509 29676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metatime is advanced with time travel. < 1302288522 808818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't this just the standard "time changes have a timeline and so on recursively" thing? < 1302288523 137362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, you can factor time vs. reality destruction into this. < 1302288531 412557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no recursion. < 1302288533 750844 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you don't move along _their_ time dimension, they'll see a long rod appear and disappear... < 1302288534 545154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, standard in that I came up with it in about five seconds; maybe I'm just a genius. < 1302288544 695743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Has to have recursion, or you can't change the metatimeline properly. < 1302288555 189371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't change the metatimeline, that's the point. < 1302288557 837915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And if there's no recursion, it's not 2D. It's just two layers. < 1302288562 299599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two lines, in other words. < 1302288572 441499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1302288576 218576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I meant if I stand still (relative my own senses) I would still move along my own time axis. Which would be a space axis for everyone else. Right? < 1302288583 775787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1302288584 663738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1302288593 885473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Metatime can be discrete as well, though.) < 1302288600 239161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure if that matters.) < 1302288631 649580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So destroying reality at a point in time cuts everything further along the time axis out. < 1302288654 273720 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence, doomsday devices are practical for every serious timetraveler? < 1302288654 501427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destroying time cuts off everything further along the metatime axis. < 1302288662 194953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so then, lets say I "drift" sideways according to what I just said, what would happen if I bump into a wall due to using this switching gadget inside a room. < 1302288665 387822 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. but if you are not moving, then you are not moving along the dimension that everyone _else_ sees as time, so you would only briefly appear and disappear < 1302288684 63724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I FEEL FEYNMAN DIAGRAMS ARE RELEVANT HERE < 1302288692 202130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was rather wondering what would happen to me if I hit that wall < 1302288694 492036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit why can't I draw in 3D < 1302288697 802008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or think in 4D < 1302288702 55044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSE YOU EVOLUTION < 1302288709 737821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I feel the same < 1302288714 714274 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't think physics has a ready-made explanation for this :D < 1302288723 602289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1302288729 756221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also classical vs. quantum. < 1302288739 376608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classical is nicer so just use that. < 1302288744 151380 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe time would stop for me < 1302288765 464256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you make a simple 3D scene of like a simple room and some sphere walking along it < 1302288770 552279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then do the reorientation and make another video :P < 1302288777 17186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be Lovecraftian. < 1302288778 352430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you'd just... live sideways. < 1302288785 770921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a fraction of a second. < 1302288787 571570 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this thing could be useful kind of. Put some hot food in the device, next to a wall. Perfectly preserved, and hot food, when you want it! < 1302288804 156265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it would be in the wrong time for you hm < 1302288805 301710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the point of a still observer in both spaces) < 1302288809 563461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. still in time for the second) < 1302288815 342263 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That could be part of a series of "training videos" for the device, so you can understand how to comprehend reoriented spacetime >: ) < 1302288821 836032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you'd turn on the device, there'd be a 2D slice of Vorpal going right across the universe changing constantly so it'd be more like some kind of carrot. < 1302288831 780079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is seriously the stuff of nightmares. < 1302288846 55536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hah < 1302288850 591086 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would essentially consist of tachyons during this... < 1302288851 558801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah, it's quite simple. < 1302288858 830356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait... < 1302288864 263647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though you stayed still in time, you'd still be moving in space < 1302288864 988740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with the imaginary mass and all? < 1302288865 330815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*space. < 1302288872 326723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, aren't they fictional thingies? < 1302288876 49308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, so the slice would zigzag. < 1302288881 767230 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're immeasurable and unprovable. < 1302288883 4334 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they are _hypothetical_ thingies < 1302288885 37411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. You'd literally cover an entire plane of the universe. < 1302288885 694358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1302288887 820038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1302288889 347251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1302288891 926931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, you would. < 1302288892 77327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An entire... thick line. < 1302288893 72692 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1302288896 173067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THAT IS SO WEIRD < 1302288900 750822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AWESOME < 1302288910 938504 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you don't remain reoriented forever, you would cover a limited space. < 1302288915 451166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you mean? < 1302288921 854724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "forever" < 1302288923 948402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "remain" < 1302288928 251381 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302288936 581905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: hi, we're discussing existential horrors. < 1302288943 8293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you turn the device on. A second later, you turn it off. < 1302288955 290076 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably the machine will allow you to reorient yourself normally after some amount of time (space) spent reoriented. < 1302288960 646613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a you-shaped tunnel across a lightsecond of space lasting for a nanosecond. < 1302288961 905407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, a (x|y|z)-second later < 1302288965 286225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a t-second later < 1302288965 900424 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do the hokey-pokey and you shake it all about < 1302288968 559133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t being the usual time action < 1302288971 141700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axis < 1302288973 185182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a few nanosecond. < 1302288976 517790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nanoseconds < 1302288978 555928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no nanoseconds. < 1302288980 858819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be one Planck time. < 1302288982 650164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait < 1302288985 754569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not infinitely thin < 1302288994 231518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, depends on the scale :P < 1302288995 881592 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't sound that horror to me < 1302289000 124986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since it's the breadth of the area of effect over c. < 1302289003 250856 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be one your-thickness in seconds :P < 1302289007 840187 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a measure of meters per second. < 1302289008 170916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: CONSIDER: A machine that allows you to "reorient" yourself relative to the physical and temporal dimensions, so that one of the physical dimensions becomes time, and time is experienced as a physical dimension. < 1302289013 46766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: It's pretty horrific. < 1302289022 233885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, just use c to convert. < 1302289023 214608 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's CONSIDER? < 1302289026 466062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that a second is a considerable distance if you use the c=1 convention < 1302289027 474171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's just say that 1 second is 1 metre :P < 1302289038 586541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so totally unjustifiable, but convenient. < 1302289038 961122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiply times by c for distances, divide distances by c for times. < 1302289051 640125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, that works too. < 1302289052 374460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF WE SAY 1 SECOND IS 1 M WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A VIDEO OUT OF THIS < 1302289054 339941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if we use c :P < 1302289058 269937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1 m < 1302289059 90225 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lightspeed ends up with you in relativity hell ... < 1302289067 666214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relativity Hell, the best kind of hell. < 1302289076 56228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no, because you're dicking around with the fabric of space, not standard physics. < 1302289087 270804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to curl up in a ball and cry. < 1302289089 369848 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what direction does space move when it's time < 1302289101 633916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, wait. < 1302289105 313045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's figure out a standard reorientation. < 1302289108 664223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically lightspeed travel for you, teleportation for everyone else. < 1302289111 380656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, using c. < 1302289113 728618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When reoriented, what axis is time? < 1302289118 544245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the normal universe, the time-axis is t. < 1302289120 596374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, device points forward. < 1302289125 428370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the reoriented universe, the time-axis is (x|y|z). < 1302289126 168226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is flipped in that direction. < 1302289130 561577 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is forward, i like that < 1302289130 889807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just pick one for convenience >_< < 1302289133 130728 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS < 1302289133 281577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue. Can one of you tell me where the current x axis points < 1302289136 48392 :ZOMGMODULES!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1302289139 78973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302289139 714785 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality < 1302289140 860200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol boss < 1302289144 337050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I AM GUESSING) < 1302289152 448193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GALILEAN INVARIANCE IS FOR PUSSIES < 1302289163 896633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's a sentiment I can get behind < 1302289175 34928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not really Galilean invariance, it's relativity. < 1302289183 939994 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well it would kind of matter if you are trying to work out which plane you are spread out over as you said above < 1302289195 924710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could, like, draw with my brain. < 1302289222 490063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BONUS OF THE VERSION WITH C AS THE CONVERSION FACTOR: you have FTL travel as a result.) < 1302289234 620462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs Phantom_Hoover in the head
< 1302289240 656357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1302289246 324211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a pencil < 1302289250 4625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly he went mad at our crazy physics skills. < 1302289255 589776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the detail. < 1302289278 932602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The FTL is like FTL in Freefall, though: from your perspective you travel at precisely c.) < 1302289283 319386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you said you wanted to draw with your brain, didn't you? < 1302289295 471233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1302289344 976898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wanted to draw it? < 1302289359 80758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/animate/whatever) < 1302289400 630223 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that elliott mentioned it, I would like to make an animation of it :P < 1302289413 941111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a raytracer would be ideal :P < 1302289414 954533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, right, OK, so: < 1302289424 388523 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe an animation for a 3D (2 physical D + time) universe rather than 4D. < 1302289424 718438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a device which points forward. < 1302289425 535087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: Colour everything in the room uniquely. < 1302289429 826286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflect those colours in the reoriented universe. < 1302289435 212672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is unrealistic, but waaay less of a pain to visualise. < 1302289437 319107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 2x2x2m cube around if converted. < 1302289440 598457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In reality, light would... what the fuck WOULD light do?) < 1302289441 451729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have something inside. < 1302289442 433852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no fucking idea.) < 1302289451 429458 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FUCKFUCKFUCKNO < 1302289454 275091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is Abstract Classical Space. < 1302289459 71552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It Just Works. < 1302289471 784857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1302289475 550428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WOULD LIGHT DOOOOO < 1302289501 734546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since this is Abstract Classical Space, you just magically perceive everything as it is.l < 1302289510 998207 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as far as I remember, from the view of a photon, time stands still? < 1302289512 305609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO IRL < 1302289537 698967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, IRL we don't actually know how the universe works so you can't, no. < 1302289547 606401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302289553 448903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking how light would move about in such a reorientation. < 1302289554 364403 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the part of real life where you have a Gregor's Spaciotemporal Reorientation Machine� < 1302289563 989389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what the fuck shit would look like. < 1302289569 283875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just assume boring non-relativistic universe :P < 1302289575 51494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, atoms make no sense when flipped, so I have no idea. < 1302289589 873400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Assume it's done at the atom level >_< < 1302289597 486704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, atoms are left intact themselves. < 1302289601 213162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is time continuous? < 1302289606 911108 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's calculable, but not by our pathetic human minds. < 1302289610 702613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As continuous as matters < 1302289612 629400 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302289618 83900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the same sense that space is continuous) < 1302289620 396061 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302289635 874710 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually /write/ a photon tracer to generate this scene, just to be able to follow photons in all four dimensions ... < 1302289652 729371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it! Do it1 < 1302289655 226295 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@c-d3a972d5.011-367-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1302289664 715798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve so hard < 1302289676 49616 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not tonight. OOPSLA deadline tonight :P < 1302289677 55404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...you know, this could make an AWESOME game premise. < 1302289685 541774 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1302289685 729242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Design landscapes that are only partially navigable in a single orientation. < 1302289691 335692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YES. YES IT COULD. < 1302289691 991982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have full rotations, so it's not just two to pick from. < 1302289699 917119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW < 1302289711 972166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, this is just Adanaxis with time. < 1302289714 61274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gregor: WE HAVE TO MAKE IT FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1302289717 75870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM THAT ACTUALLY SOUNDS COOL < 1302289717 226560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO it's better than that < 1302289721 25615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adanaxis doesn't also rotate your VIEW < 1302289727 425273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also it could be like a PLATFORMER < 1302289732 2943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could JUMP ... through TIME < 1302289752 895530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, just have only 90° rotations in time. < 1302289812 863195 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition: A game with this premise, but 2D space, just to make it a tidbit less OH GOD WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, or at least to make it more achievable in the short term :P < 1302289844 347220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you show the time dimension? < 1302289844 685225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well okay ;P < 1302289845 595431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1302289857 207390 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When you've reoriented yourself in it. < 1302289858 24941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, in normal play, the time dimension is shown by... time passing :P < 1302289859 12426 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302289865 264946 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1302289866 544424 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302289867 621545 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHAT WOULD LIGHT DOOOOO <-- just use logic and the bible (John 8:12) to reduce this to "What would Jesus dooooo". < 1302289867 772123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGG < 1302289869 390193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game needs enemies. < 1302289872 646592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can also reorient. < 1302289881 966984 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ONE MIND-BOGGLING STEP AT A TIME < 1302289884 456692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're fightin' something and suddenly it reorients and WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING < 1302289895 76504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: logic and the bible, two great tastes that taste great together < 1302289912 853296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if someone flies sideways to time for ages and ages. < 1302289917 472851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh god we have to make this. This is an even better idea than Asteroids 2. < 1302289919 988752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to compute all that < 1302289922 180107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT EVEN IMPLY < 1302289950 725457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it implies you have a potentially infinite amount of processing for each interval of game time. < 1302289959 71299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets even *worse* if you reorient yourself. < 1302289962 790567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not if time and space are discrete. < 1302289966 626865 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Saturday I will begin work on the engine. It's definitely doable, but not simple :P < 1302289979 793363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean, if something kept going in a direction forever? < 1302289987 354200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just make the AI not do that X-D < 1302289988 52249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, my brain is starting to melt too. < 1302290000 121962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a two-player game, just stop someone dwelling in reoriented-ville for too long. < 1302290004 207262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaah okay this is hurting my brain. < 1302290009 739403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just... do a photon tracer to start with X-D < 1302290011 548898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott: this sounds a bit like TRDS for a game? < 1302290023 615252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's figure out how this WORKS before trying to make a game engine that can do it :P < 1302290045 269608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hang on. < 1302290056 975188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you reorient your time direction to go backwards. < 1302290070 803397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302290081 211373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just limit it to horizontal. < 1302290106 45709 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this concept is so done to death < 1302290110 153696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, RIGHT. < 1302290110 656337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1302290116 793536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is basically the same problem with every other time travelling game. < 1302290123 785989 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have backwards time things tend to get at _least_ PSPACE complete < 1302290125 977007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone (= an AI) goes back in time, you can't show that to someone who's already further on in time. < 1302290134 570522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to... shove them back in time somehow. < 1302290135 419794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wonderful < 1302290151 521509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some glimmerings of workability. < 1302290159 287797 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not for implementing it... < 1302290162 453144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT WHY DO THESE THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN THE DAY BEFORE I GO ON HOLIDAY < 1302290169 164023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THINK ABOUT IT IN VENICE < 1302290190 98054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU WON'T CARE WHEN I COME BACK. < 1302290190 259479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, duh, do you think I was serious? < 1302290218 842010 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: omg it is _happening_... < 1302290224 232656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, if something goes back in time, shouldn't you have showed it the first time? Or it won't be logically consistent < 1302290227 219079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1302290230 912345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1302290247 103147 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps I take myself a bit too seriously! < 1302290255 78873 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, duh, do you think I was serious? < 1302290259 899474 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY < 1302290273 892151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EQUIVALENT < 1302290280 866803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, totally. < 1302290282 918853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK SO < 1302290283 882247 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you go back in time, you will just be repeating what you already saw yourself do < 1302290290 759766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE A FINITE VIEWSCREEN < 1302290294 230638 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual < 1302290295 844673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x10 metres. < 1302290303 512530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait a second... How much of the time the past few years have you *not* realised when I joked? < 1302290305 409766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU ONLY NEED TO KNOW 10 SECONDS INTO THE FUTURE < 1302290314 419883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER < 1302290317 296196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the past, but that's not really all that important.) < 1302290319 311239 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everyone knows you never joke, sheesh < 1302290320 14419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just talk about this in terms of blocks? < 1302290320 995882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not metres? < 1302290323 132975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10x10 blocks. < 1302290327 955857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One block is one second let's say for now. < 1302290332 859903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1302290335 286003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each game is 10 seconds? < 1302290337 706564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: if you go back in time, you will just be repeating what you already saw yourself do <-- I meant if an enemy goes back in time, then the player should have seen that when he arrived at that time originally < 1302290339 985533 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@093105167222.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302290347 983820 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would require real world time travel < 1302290349 621627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1302290365 498411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1302290367 629372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, lets just use IOT to implement this < 1302290374 828905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, you should be able to run at one block per second :P < 1302290376 362179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYMMETRY < 1302290377 464996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see what you'll do in the future, so... < 1302290380 383748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1302290386 332284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This requires precognition. < 1302290392 643566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or boring getout clauses. < 1302290397 33373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DO NOT LISTEN TO PH < 1302290399 177301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHOTON TRACER < 1302290400 175023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHOTON TRACER < 1302290400 325545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHOTON TRACER < 1302290412 88549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or making the player act in a sort of meta-time < 1302290421 370133 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOT (ContT []) < 1302290423 883915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you still need precognition. < 1302290428 198662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT < 1302290429 957415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUCK < 1302290430 284282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UP < 1302290447 32803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, meta time for the player might work, no? < 1302290453 937663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, it might... < 1302290458 863761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAIN HURTING AGAIN. < 1302290467 812164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.34 MiB/s. < 1302290472 242230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ONLY LASTED FOR A SECOND < 1302290474 592733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT SECOND WAS GLORIOUS < 1302290474 754346 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, of course, you could argue that as well would be a getout clause. < 1302290487 53087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.77 :| < 1302290496 564361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'm in sweden-- < 1302290513 235915 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if that is download... common residential connections tend to burst a bit at the start sometimes < 1302290514 905865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So btw, if you ever do something like http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D, I'll rip your soul out < 1302290523 81093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every pre-2011 clog link is now broken. < 1302290529 192880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only accessible through a zip file linked to in the header. < 1302290559 58295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1302290561 40438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, rsync reported it transferred a tiny file at 105 MByte/s, which is impossible since it was sent over 100 Mbit ethernet. < 1302290582 370631 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably due to NIC buffering < 1302290584 663363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1302290593 935149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1302290598 47155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brain hurting again. < 1302290617 825036 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A 3D drawing board would really be nice now.) < 1302290650 919387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sounds like you need the Glove Box. < 1302290655 771872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, might be a bit hard to reach around in it < 1302290660 632577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is that < 1302290717 715171 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302290725 321057 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1302290759 673958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, precognition is necessary. < 1302290767 524547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLESS—erm, no. < 1302290768 272380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SHADDAP < 1302290772 642083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow, you have an identd! < 1302290789 231823 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1302290802 843190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan@ < 1302290804 533814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ~oerjan < 1302290805 680807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FANSCHY < 1302290831 71159 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1302290873 518902 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it's all database-oriented, then that makes no sense anyway. < 1302290882 374490 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tyrell _is_ a multiuser machine. < 1302290889 883432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ??? < 1302290894 623393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, right. < 1302290898 837414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But the URLs still matter :P < 1302290903 602199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an interface. < 1302290905 497209 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fair 'nuff. < 1302290937 513217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I wonder if it's because clog is early-2000s technology and is running on a machine with a 1 gig disk :P < 1302290947 522817 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1302290950 505519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the logs together are, like, 400 megs! < 1302290955 596325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figure #haskell is pretty high-traffic) < 1302290974 938205 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on. Even my first model ibook (early-2000s) had a whopping 3.2 GB HDD < 1302290985 821158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw I'm still doing ch2 stuff, just been "busy" past few days :P < 1302291002 453225 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perfectly understandable, my typical impatience is tempered by my own deadlines. < 1302291004 313439 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44:33: OK GUYS I HAVE COME UP WITH MY PRETENTIOUS LATIN MOTTO < 1302291007 729354 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is latin? < 1302291010 280231 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44:47: CIRCVMDOR IDIOTAM < 1302291020 33731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302291025 110822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, anyway. < 1302291031 405973 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean "I'm an idiot"? < 1302291036 454682 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait DOR is passive of DO < 1302291081 174402 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : STULTUS EGO < 1302291152 957723 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am given around, an idiot"? < 1302291224 534516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm, I mustn't have been thorough enough in checking which of the 15 or so words I found was equivalent to "surround". < 1302291255 551708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, circumvenio. < 1302291258 441224 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm looking up circumdo now < 1302291270 544293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit I also forgot to pluralise "idiot". < 1302291274 503730 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302291290 899390 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302291291 58787 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stultus ego ergo amo. <-- I am now officially a dramatic poet. Moneys plz kthx. < 1302291297 355720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CIRCVMVENIOR IDIOTAS" < 1302291303 360383 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302291310 232653 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i vaguely recall it should be IDIOTIS < 1302291321 361755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's amo < 1302291324 459924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's idiota, so I assumed it was first declension. < 1302291327 457478 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ablative for the changed subject of a passive noun) < 1302291328 245109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "I love". < 1302291330 167404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rite < 1302291334 561737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "amo amas amat". < 1302291338 455389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot so i love people? < 1302291343 373560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or just, so i love < 1302291353 268484 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it may well be but it's not supposed to be accusative < 1302291354 387963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ...it is? < 1302291356 355755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, OK. < 1302291364 724393 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, it's been a long time < 1302291387 636433 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note how it's not "I am surrounded idiots" in english either < 1302291399 102745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OK. < 1302291409 595748 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is if you just are surrounded idiots. < 1302291419 773595 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, an individual, am a group of idiots who are surrounded. < 1302291419 933816 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SOMEWHAT UNLIKELY < 1302291422 69941 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302291441 721033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, OK, "CIRCVUMVENIOR IDIOTIS" < 1302291453 395611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin grammar looks HIGHLY complicated < 1302291456 426442 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you need a crest < 1302291463 361138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not really. < 1302291489 171891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the discussion above reminds me of that scene in Life of Brian... < 1302291491 731436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the whole "word order doesn't indicate structure" thing... < 1302291519 498092 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: circumdo apparently also can mean surround < 1302291532 13506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, which sounds better. < 1302291591 453432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiotis is a bad word < 1302291758 263526 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google sez: "KNOW-NOTHING CIRCVUMVENIOR" < 1302291778 144712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302291788 439478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:33, 8 April 2011 Wizard191 (talk | contribs) marked Flash butt welding patrolled (automatic) ‎ < 1302291790 139487 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeze Phantom_Hoover, you're such a know-nothing circumvenior. < 1302291901 372181 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you need to find out what would be the idiomatic way to say it < 1302292025 995848 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idiotomatic < 1302292026 154979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to get Google to translate to Latin correctly
< 1302292070 246776 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are 1 and 2? < 1302292097 448361 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know what they are X-P < 1302292105 920480 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose. < 1302292124 218589 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I came_1 is "veni" as usual, i guess. < 1302292134 18925 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw is "vidi" < 1302292141 956902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but all the things I can think of for _2 are passed through untranslated :P < 1302292154 589439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, WordNet lacks the verb form of _2 but has the relevantnoun. < 1302292156 399034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relevant noun. < 1302292172 65212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's just stated so euphemistically that I can't find it when scanning. < 1302292182 387007 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It passes through "orgasm" as something that translates back as something like "had joy" :( < 1302292185 321060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the noun definition uses "spermatozoa", so I don't expect so. < 1302292190 54710 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@213.114.169.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302292222 90470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the past tense of iaculemur? < 1302292226 891622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be the noun ejaculate, I suppose < 1302292230 663569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noun "ejaculate" < 1302292258 525259 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google suggests that it's literally "throw" < 1302292263 285458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1302292279 786682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iacio? < 1302292281 804746 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Romans, they did not speak of such things :P < 1302292286 153865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's just "throw". < 1302292286 809194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Figure it out or I'll have to trawl through and extensively quote dirty Latin poetry. < 1302292296 396594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HA! < 1302292314 478069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. < 1302292320 715048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[etc.] < 1302292341 437301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that poem does not mention orgasming at all. < 1302292355 902156 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is iaculemur actually a word? < 1302292370 682037 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stuff your gobs"...? < 1302292384 825323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I will sodomize you and face-fuck you" < 1302292395 481300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catullus_16 < 1302292406 186591 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google sez "I'll bugger you and stuff your gobs", which is right up 'til that 'and' :P < 1302292411 883674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Best translation ever. < 1302292443 400037 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eiaculo is italian, but i'm not sure if it is latin... < 1302292456 450606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This remarkable poem contains a cogent piece of literary criticism, bracketed between a shocking first and last line which you can translate for youself. (It's not that I shrink from obscenity, but you will have to substitute some substitute phrases in English to get the meaning right.) " < 1302292457 592660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuure < 1302292459 320642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*)" < 1302292478 359221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in boys, but in those hairy < 1302292478 524754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys who have difficulty moving their limbs. < 1302292478 684340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Google < 1302292487 541863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"difficulty moving my limb": best euphemism ever < 1302292493 4517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, yeah, Catullus. < 1302292499 516828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e16.htm < 1302292500 638146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't say in boys but in those hairy < 1302292500 806096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victims of lumbar sclerosis." < 1302292505 223614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST TRANSLATION OF THAT LINE EVER < 1302292522 555224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of his mopier poems are in the Standard Grade Latin exam. < 1302292535 324593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know how dwarf fortress does detailed combat reports? I found (I finally think I figured out the utterly complex military system) that it does the same for training (in case of sparring). < 1302292559 110913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1302292561 297630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While googling for it < 1302292566 935699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this! http://is-is.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2334197912&topic=3371 < 1302292567 676045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo" is now my favourite Latin phrase. < 1302292569 324358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE TRANSLATE IT TO LATIN < 1302292570 470659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1302292573 616687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is it your new motto? < 1302292583 587520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302292584 416219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOOVER HEAVY INDUSTRIES - "PEDICABO" EGO VOS ET IRRUMABO < 1302292587 278200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*move that quote < 1302292594 657728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found this! http://is-is.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2334197912&topic=3371 < 1302292598 654550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET TRANSLATING THE WORST THING EVER PEOPLE < 1302292604 337252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also enjoy the Icelandic interface < 1302292609 336621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why Google found it with the Icelandic interface < 1302292612 789488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS < 1302292623 946372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Latin is an exact language for obscene acts," < 1302292626 31388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302292646 227146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRSLY THOUGH < 1302292656 843240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone translate came(v.) to Latin. < 1302292659 351188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Axe Lord hacks The militia captain in the left hand with her ≡steel battle axe≡, lightly tapping the target!" <-- this sounds a bit... strange. < 1302292697 880968 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come on, why don't they use the training weapons which made..., yes df has separate training weapons) < 1302292707 20080 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302292768 267760 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone translate came(v.) to Latin. <-- wiktionary claims a translation of cum -> eiaculare, but the latter has no latin in its page < 1302292785 447747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1302292787 225712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Latin. < 1302292791 139472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clintonize" < 1302292794 125729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302292796 448467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :##latin < 1302292799 89835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S DO THIS < 1302292799 416635 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pedicabo Latin < 1302292813 688430 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we could just assume it works as an ordinary -a verb, in which case it's eiaculavi < 1302292818 482673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait < 1302292820 450545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write the message < 1302292829 480059 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afeared :P < 1302292834 34770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the Latin for came (past tense of verb, i.e. to ejaculate)?" < 1302292837 569169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES THAT LOOK GOOD < 1302292854 447535 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rephrase it to put the proper form first :P < 1302292862 228646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You do it :P < 1302292865 279184 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO U < 1302292870 780685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, hang on, I'm trying to pluralise pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. < 1302292871 769604 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing awesome games in my head! < 1302292874 217193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I WANT to shock them half-way through! < 1302292880 506577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL HERE GOES < 1302292898 673368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is already plural < 1302292903 399978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The very best entry in the REORIENT series will be the one where we take it to 4D. < 1302292905 846237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, 4D + time. < 1302292913 672389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ANY rotation. < 1302292915 641258 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1302292925 719681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STOP RUINING IT < 1302292934 109909 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: First goal: 2D+T, only X and T are reorientable, and only at 90� < 1302292946 936902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, first goal: 3D+T, photon tracer :P < 1302292948 986156 :cheater00!~cheater@e181134171.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302292950 990015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Animation < 1302292960 582102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of us understand this nearly enough to design a game yet X-D < 1302292961 73412 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's, I think, even more of a PITA >_> < 1302292962 596626 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my best guess so far is "eiaculavi", anyhow < 1302292966 379495 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Err, that's true. < 1302292969 67877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but it will be useful throughout :P < 1302292992 216439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: First goal: 2D+T, only X and T are reorientable, and only at 90° < 1302292993 55290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1302293003 49060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only to 90°. < 1302293005 139970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed no, photon tracer :P < 1302293006 931300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a difference. < 1302293012 300921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is a difference. < 1302293018 914209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sckn444p < 1302293043 759253 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also that's using the same tense as veni and vidi from the other famous quotation, latin has a bit of a different division between the past tenses < 1302293051 945632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is sex in Latin? We could check on Vicipædia. < 1302293059 836671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh god "vici"pædia < 1302293061 811256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst pun ever < 1302293064 174405 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's actually perfect tense < 1302293072 196449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually pronounced "Wikipedia" X-D < 1302293089 93123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So "Veni, vidi, eiaculavi"? < 1302293115 109991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think eiaculavi is the first one < 1302293134 840322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Really, Catullus 16 is not very obscene :P < 1302293139 240912 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1302293163 151419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, except the first and last lines. < 1302293167 817518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mild :P < 1302293170 897947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my guitar strings broke :( < 1302293183 306671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh noes, you're going to have sex with me unconsensually!!!!!" < 1302293194 286419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not even any disembowelment. < 1302293202 70423 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the ancient latin equivalent of "fuck you assholes" < 1302293204 509147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft. < 1302293208 161896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: again, mild < 1302293216 627311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, do you mean 'venio 4' ? < 1302293219 326416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1302293220 5155 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was trying to agree with you here < 1302293221 842795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just "I came" < 1302293225 533229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1302293227 205732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302293228 352779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"came" < 1302293231 36252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the very mundane sense < 1302293235 30151 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :venio is "i come" < 1302293238 784159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, possible that Latin had the double meaning as well. < 1302293251 408639 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1302293255 532736 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: darn how boring :D < 1302293257 912557 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK that's a recent phenomenon. < 1302293266 293470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :venio (4) presumably meaning the 4th definition. < 1302293275 861175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking the question anyway, to serve as a... discrete... way of mentioning that I meant the other kind. :P < 1302293280 698982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... wait, that could just be the conjugation. < 1302293282 9194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow this is awkward 8-D < 1302293286 113942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8D < 1302293289 62564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D looks weird. < 1302293294 94313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Bank_of_Canada&diff=prev&oldid=423066518 < 1302293302 338817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bAndie9100: ah, does Latin have the same double-meaning? < 1302293302 488920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : double meaning? what do you count? < 1302293304 29134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah venio is 4th conjugation < 1302293305 607502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uhh write my response for me < 1302293316 218856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be it, then. < 1302293326 376279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DID include "to ejaculate" in my original message :P < 1302293350 318884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU'RE SO EMBARRASSING < 1302293356 137570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find some way to pretend we didn't come from the same place. < 1302293367 392576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mommy, PH is being awfully direct to strangers. < 1302293378 641367 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EJACULATE, ORGASM, CUM! Pedicabo ergo SOMETHING!" < 1302293387 420257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...<3 < 1302293394 874252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEDICABO ERGO SOMETHING < 1302293396 674987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new motto. < 1302293410 900156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU SHUT THE POOR INNOCENT UP < 1302293420 491152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE'S GOING TO KILL US FOR SHITTING ON HIS BEAUTIFUL LANGUAGE < 1302293440 659454 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tell him catullus already did that < 1302293453 301421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like going into #mozart < 1302293454 468113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saying < 1302293455 458302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1302293460 383923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a performance of Leck mich im Arsch < 1302293466 564687 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302293506 307930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you join, #esotericers will have a critical mass in ##latin, and I won't be so scared! < 1302293513 10364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll have you know I'm an OPERATOR in #esoteric!" < 1302293517 812647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO ME LIKE THAT' < 1302293519 761313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1302293523 446822 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302293545 262404 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then _i_ would feel embarassed < 1302293555 334864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302293559 360756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia just gave me THE BEST BAND NAME: The Angry Young Popes < 1302293563 854431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Example: < 1302293564 155364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep The Angry Young Popes are the best rock band in the world right now. – Superbestfan 02:02, 2 February 2002 (UTC)" < 1302293577 102854 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's _that_ in latin < 1302293577 464747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just join and talk about something that _isn't_ coming < 1302293593 531952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puer iratus popes" < 1302293594 276856 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't know enough latin to converse on that channel... < 1302293597 505850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "popes" wrong :P < 1302293599 381911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uhhh < 1302293604 946813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You don't have to talk IN Latin X-D < 1302293612 616033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you do! < 1302293613 297279 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm iratus sounds right < 1302293628 132128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: join and ask what "Angry young popes" is in Latin < 1302293630 476704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAWLESS < 1302293640 97680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get an answer, you save embarrassment! < 1302293648 618846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21, 8 April 2011 Alexf (talk | contribs) blocked Poopfriedrice (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ ({{uw-uhblock}}) < 1302293658 241717 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irati juvenes papae maybe... < 1302293717 106887 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i should use feminine suffixes because papa is -a stem or not because it's definitely a masculine referent but i lean toward the latter < 1302293781 212217 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wiktionary says masculine < 1302293832 644387 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a #mozart? disturbing < 1302293840 147445 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irati iuvenes papae, then. < 1302293854 260946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no < 1302293873 59172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1302293906 727155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1302293931 41578 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(puer means boy, not young) < 1302293990 241799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :An unusually not mephitic forum that catches sufficiently "Hello world. Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity." | yoob: http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | Some logs also available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1302294072 132134 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEPHITICI NON SVMVS < 1302294080 205617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg yes translate our four mottos into latin < 1302294084 216557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch sufficiently hello world. < 1302294087 284583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unusually not mephitic forum. < 1302294090 712736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1302294091 699787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ latin nao < 1302294108 409089 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARPE SUFFICIENTER AVE MUNDUS < 1302294110 342215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"capite satis salve mundi'? < 1302294112 537218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mundi" < 1302294115 420725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, thanks < 1302294119 71019 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302294120 865203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :satis is nicer, is that not valid there? < 1302294121 483451 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUNDE < 1302294130 925142 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should be vocative) < 1302294140 936951 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1302294143 25964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Non solita mephitic forum." ;; well, someone has to translate mephitic :-D < 1302294155 832173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "miasmic" would be the best path < 1302294164 320729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Non noxia solita forum."? < 1302294179 487510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Libenter clausum in soliditatem matrix" ;; this is probably so wrong < 1302294202 977064 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@213.114.169.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1302294204 203295 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like satis could work < 1302294208 96112 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294220 678979 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1302294221 42924 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1302294222 899931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WELL START TRANSLATING THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY LINE THEN ;D < 1302294229 952404 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302294237 124435 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294240 942864 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah munde says wiktionary < 1302294249 885277 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1302294262 978832 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said i was good at latin vocabulary did i... < 1302294282 598825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU HELP TOO < 1302294320 71280 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mephitic is already greco-latin, is it not? < 1302294334 114491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1302294342 424620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mephitic or mephitical [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]. —adj. 1. poisonous; foul. 2. foul-smelling; putrid. [C17: from Late Latin mephīticus ... < 1302294351 458512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the adjective form of mephiticus < 1302294361 4701 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're a language. http://code.google.com/p/vorpalcode/ < 1302294361 154941 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an adjective < 1302294387 470190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to use with forum you should probably have -um < 1302294392 154611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/20/xbox-live-indie-gems-vorpal/ also a bullet hell game < 1302294394 901534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx google < 1302294445 685830 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your reference implementation is coded in C++ < 1302294452 977493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VORPAL < 1302294463 748101 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294481 235282 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal & Wabe < 1302294481 425543 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright 2008 - University of Canterbury < 1302294481 920939 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all rights reserved - do not distribute < 1302294488 561192 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... alright ... < 1302294493 379973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvid Norlander likes to show people his "Vorpal blade" if you catch my drift < 1302294494 674289 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forum insolite non mephiticum < 1302294506 467245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vorpal.livejournal.com/878513.html ;; picture of vorpal < 1302294529 536077 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302294551 352883 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302294554 149418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vorpal.livejournal.com/profile < 1302294561 190628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gay. I love looking at guys, but I'm not obsessed with that fact (it's just one aspect of my personality) and while a lot of my friends are gay, I'm not really part of the "gay community". < 1302294561 341216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1302294561 778727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love to flirt with cute boys. It's fun! < 1302294561 997883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been married to my hubby bonoboboy (Jeff) since May 2004, and no, it's not for the gay health insurance :D. < 1302294564 201146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1302294565 181906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it said < 1302294566 984658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not gay" < 1302294571 19072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was gonna go on about how Vorpal was in denial and all < 1302294586 91252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be illegal to write things that my brain could insert the word "not" in < 1302294597 319670 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no denial there :P < 1302294610 713234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought it said "I'm *not* gay" :P < 1302294629 96897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302294635 30103 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please start being fascinated by the Vorpal language < 1302294645 958176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Vorpal language? < 1302294662 531594 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not gay, but I love staring at guys. I'm not gay, but I love flirting with cute boys ... for fun! I'm not gay, but I've been married to Jeff for seven years (for the insurance)." < 1302294664 901342 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://code.google.com/p/vorpalcode/ < 1302294676 819714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sgeo started liking falcon a while back < 1302294678 621675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention? < 1302294689 9599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I'm not gay, but I'm a Republican!" < 1302294718 388035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's fully possible for a guy to like guys and not be gay! < 1302294723 355259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i remember < 1302294729 257935 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so falcon is a guy < 1302294739 306267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i don't recall telling you < 1302294740 602343 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maude is a girl. this is eminently logical < 1302294743 103725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you sensed it through the aether < 1302294750 458160 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i SEEM to remember < 1302294765 287464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall cpressey being here < 1302294766 447391 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonoboboy _certainly_ doesn't sound gay either... < 1302294804 225460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at Vorpalcode
< 1302294825 52488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lists goals... but um...none of those tell me what the damn thing actually is < 1302294860 518972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can vaguely guess that it's for a language.. but have only a vague understanding of what that language is supposed to be like < 1302294868 205185 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, i built vorpal < 1302294869 641303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Event-driven OO < 1302294887 387901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh durh < 1302294896 252617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vorpal is a small scripting language written in C++" < 1302294902 949247 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :libenter is an adverb not a verb... < 1302294923 206030 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, i ran the "memoized fibonacci" example < 1302294951 184950 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it feels like they're trying to do "Lua, but in C++" < 1302294958 495201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why? < 1302294963 538468 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. < 1302294982 958348 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BECAUSE WORLD NEEDS MORE LANGUAGES < 1302294984 715650 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ENORMOUSLY simplifies the problem. < 1302294993 790052 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1302295033 118174 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do u open a pdf in leegnux < 1302295045 809213 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdg-open < 1302295054 111730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Gregor> Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. < 1302295057 222216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :354) <Gregor> Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. < 1302295063 388407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that stripped out the control chars. < 1302295066 863179 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope < 1302295071 362217 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thx < 1302295071 873932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1302295073 359532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it yourself < 1302295091 832130 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Nobody seems to know about xdg-open for some reason :( < 1302295099 983373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce it gnome-open < 1302295103 642348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as good as os x open though < 1302295109 375165 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arvid Norlander likes to show people his "Vorpal blade" if you catch my drift <-- XD < 1302295116 908072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal reminds me more of plof < 1302295117 611709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1302295122 718935 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 4 words in manual: "Vorpal is a embeddable < 1302295134 241934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.f('test', 3).print() < 1302295134 392268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o['f']('test', 3).print() < 1302295135 62457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or js < 1302295136 979384 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ENGLISH FAIL < 1302295144 751237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to aembed something
< 1302295155 91440 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: from the UNIVERSITY OF CANTERBURY < 1302295170 679540 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Canterbury, Saudi Arabia < 1302295179 609373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, does that mean like lua? Or like bare bone C code? Very different meaning of embed there < 1302295195 310495 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no operator precedence < 1302295206 58522 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i keep dropping my closequotes < 1302295216 726770 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like lua < 1302295245 531255 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also like lua in that their interpreter is small (ca. 3KLoc)... but it's in C++ < 1302295258 585564 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "no operator precedence" works well in prefix/postfix (of course), but would be a PITA in infix < 1302295266 664139 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: totally agreeds < 1302295288 855277 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk has no operator precedence. < 1302295290 366954 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take away my operator precedence, just give me RPN or S-expression instead < 1302295292 678711 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, err "agreeds"? < 1302295296 73483 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1302295296 223733 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Haskell has no operator precedence. < 1302295297 464272 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*agreed < 1302295303 422209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wrong < 1302295308 210436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a full precedence system < 1302295311 914282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both associativities < 1302295321 995156 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can CUSTOMIZE it < 1302295323 518462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pretty sure you don't need to write (5 * 4) + 2 in haskell... < 1302295344 269752 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... can you change the precedence of built-in operators in haskell? < 1302295354 186536 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you can define it for ones you define < 1302295362 73660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, "sort of." < 1302295379 5461 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was I thinking about, not Haskell ... < 1302295388 13373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1302295401 218128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to confuse those < 1302295403 701466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: indeed < 1302295411 292522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in J, everything is right-associative :D < 1302295435 80691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you wrote 2+5*4 in smalltalk then? < 1302295450 411067 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with Haskell I was thinking about "custom" operators maybe? Can't you name functions starting with symbols, then you don't need backticks to make them act as operators? < 1302295455 553206 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely those are all the same precedence? < 1302295457 69612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in j, you write it as 2+5*4 < 1302295483 107908 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you can define the precedence of those when you define them < 1302295485 315096 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1302295489 759712 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... whoaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1302295493 457869 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mind blown* < 1302295499 8996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is so surprising about that? < 1302295501 2415 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remember "infixr" being a keyword < 1302295512 950049 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nothing, in fact Plof can do that too, but still, *mind blown* :P < 1302295523 974332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why < 1302295541 543914 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of Vorpal's design goals boil down to "it's written in C++" < 1302295555 174479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ouch. Well I have nothing to do with that language. < 1302295557 900653 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinguishing-language-from-implementation fail < 1302295565 541405 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it blows my mind that that blows your mind < 1302295586 213164 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is pure. Defining precedence order in a pure language without order of code loading mattering sounds like a complicated business, unless precedence is just some arbitrary integer. < 1302295601 586210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302295604 768094 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it's an arbitrary integer, then that means there's an implicit dependent type system that affects the semantic behavior of the code. < 1302295618 66218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sound at all complicated < 1302295631 177252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're just very simple < 1302295667 836261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Haskell is pure. Defining precedence order in a pure language without order of code loading mattering sounds like a complicated business, unless precedence is just some arbitrary integer. < 1302295672 335291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an arbitrary integer. < 1302295673 664551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean arbitrary integer, like calculated at runtime? :D < 1302295678 470384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your line about "dependent type system" is incoherent. < 1302295684 440409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixl 8 + < 1302295688 877806 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guess what language does that stuff all the time: J < 1302295691 364098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- declares (+) to be left-associative, precedence 8 < 1302295706 704552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think with Haskell I was thinking about "custom" operators maybe? Can't you name functions starting with symbols, then you don't need backticks to make them act as operators? < 1302295706 868766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Surely those are all the same precedence? < 1302295708 603364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait a second, don't you need () around that + ? < 1302295713 843615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all operators are that in Haskell, nothing "custom" about them < 1302295719 554020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixr 3 +-// < 1302295723 710949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+-//) :: A -> B -> C < 1302295726 394207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a +-// b = ... < 1302295737 949912 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: infixl is a declaration, right, not an expression? < 1302295741 595092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1302295745 511394 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hence "declares" X-D < 1302295750 627093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like module declarations, class declarations, instance declarations, type signatures, ... < 1302295753 175740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, be careful, so you don't blow Gregor's mind so far he can't find it again < 1302295756 460357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the integer has to be a literal, obviously :P < 1302295763 107452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 0-9 or something. < 1302295773 841518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's a pretty small range < 1302295776 387005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that $ can be the top. < 1302295819 619729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you find it... simple again? :P < 1302295823 318183 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not... oh < 1302295831 548605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Remember that all imports are processed first thing. < 1302295837 382716 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbledgegarbledegabblegoo < 1302295844 283863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what < 1302295845 595693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whenever it's looking at code, Haskell knows all the signatures, fixities, classes, etc. in the current scope. < 1302295863 600596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it processes the fixities before it looks at function bodies, IIRC. < 1302295888 34927 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vorpal (the language) uses some ideas I had, but not exactly < 1302295907 896076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch as i drive cpressey away < 1302295909 841448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey < 1302295910 373749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apex < 1302295913 701740 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh? I thought the only idea it had was being written in C++? < 1302295918 186133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1302295918 678351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cpressey has quit < 1302295934 984629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cpressey once had the idea of writing something in C++ < 1302295937 192295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not exactly < 1302295941 316329 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1302295951 578929 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought it was "BGP" that drove him away < 1302295969 226795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is "apex"? < 1302295983 753284 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, so now the way that other code PARSES depends on a declaration. < 1302296005 278 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, googling for it, it is everything from car rental in NZ to a night club in Washington... < 1302296009 274860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not really; it parses it into what's basically ([(Expr,Op)],Expr), IIRC < 1302296013 788605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then sorts that out later. < 1302296021 255922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really that complicated *shrug* < 1302296023 781954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the benefits are obvious. < 1302296024 47605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how is that problematic? < 1302296030 789147 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not problematic, it's /surprising/. < 1302296050 243094 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the only design goals they state have to do with C++. for the design of the actual language, they chose things, without regard to any goal, I guess < 1302296051 975073 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, cise had a much more complicated parsing and it's even purer than haskell < 1302296058 563003 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : er... can you change the precedence of built-in operators in haskell? <-- you can introduce a new operator with the same name and any precedence you want, as long as you hide the original one when importing. < 1302296059 399360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Moar Haskell impurity: With Template Haskell, the syntactical structure of some code can depend on IO at compile time!!! 0mg!!! < 1302296065 913433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, okay, what sort of idea? < 1302296066 669713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it doesn't exist. < 1302296068 907824 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing is the "semi-implicit self" -- you say .foo to refer to a foo on self < 1302296080 815775 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, can you replace (+) then? < 1302296084 831103 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i discarded that after thinking about it for a while anyway :) < 1302296095 944019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in cise? < 1302296105 649798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: aaaapeeeeeex < 1302296108 293056 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in haskell? < 1302296110 59777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on get driven away geez < 1302296113 28706 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's not even semi-implicit, that's just having the null string as a contextual replacement for "this" :P < 1302296114 22313 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not *that* bad an idea, if you don't like to declare locals < 1302296114 172778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what the heck is "apex"? < 1302296155 479836 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: true. Can I say "unobtrusive"? it's about the shortest explicit self you could have :) < 1302296173 415729 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, there is a way to do shorter < 1302296176 787906 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a convention like, lowercase -> local, uppercase -> member on self < 1302296191 402879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches dance-sorts
< 1302296210 909913 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, either what you just said, or having to do global:foo and local:foo and just foo for self < 1302296213 527991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe a convention like, lowercase -> local, uppercase -> member on self < 1302296214 187261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1302296215 330572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Ruby < 1302296216 327487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be silly < 1302296222 505986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@foo == omg instance variable < 1302296222 669904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: do faq ft todo yow < 1302296223 424657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST < 1302296224 85651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAYING < 1302296236 297093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :., @, mere bits off :) < 1302296251 583934 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but can you also say self@foo ? < 1302296262 542259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: all instance variables are private < 1302296275 834399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no < 1302296287 806689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it could have syntax to do that, but it'd always have "self" in front, so what's the point) < 1302296302 104117 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems a bit different < 1302296320 114675 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.foo == self['foo'] < 1302296322 834983 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Vorpal < 1302296326 154671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :) I mean, who would write "self.foo" if you have ".foo"? < 1302296329 514420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody < 1302296344 244796 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would write "let in 3" in haskell? < 1302296352 991016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1302296361 20268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, gah these highlights are getting annoying XD < 1302296364 49136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1302296364 891381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPRESSEY < 1302296365 381167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :APEX < 1302296368 145258 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Haskell is pure. Defining precedence order in a pure language without order of code loading mattering sounds like a complicated business [...] <-- you're actually correct, the haskell 98 standard defined things with precedence intertwined with parsing and this has unforeseen interactions (e.g. with indentation sensitivity) so that no compiler actually implements it properly. the latest revision has removed this wart by making precedence a stri < 1302296374 734222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, almost as bad as in #nethack (the Vorpal Sword) < 1302296377 702616 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you keep saying that word. < 1302296379 441608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1302296381 804379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: -ing? < 1302296384 406122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey I meant < 1302296391 964955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IS APEX? < 1302296398 267851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wow, you've managed to blank your mind already < 1302296401 85451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IS APEX? < 1302296401 235891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPRESSIVE , SIR ! < 1302296412 594217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1302296432 936297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that got cut off < 1302296439 433826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "by making precedence a stri" < 1302296489 424540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ape -x < 1302296496 548018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, WHAT IS APEX? < 1302296598 928203 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will call the language "Vor'pal" hereinafter for your benefit. btw, I have to admire its design a little bit -- it's regular, if nothing else. But I'd have to reimplement it in a language that isn't crap before I'd feel alright playing with it. < 1302296603 850169 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who would write "let in 3" in haskell? <-- i suppose they allowed empty let blocks for easier automatic code generation or something < 1302296611 791655 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C, or Haskell, or Scheme < 1302296622 223987 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's orthogonal! < 1302296626 987912 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1302296643 85184 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cutoff, [...] post-rest-of-parsing issue. < 1302296655 563580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: reimplement it in Vorpal! < 1302296656 980514 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does some bot here speak scheme? < 1302296662 406677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "precedence a str" < 1302296664 446265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think some languages uses ' to mark a click sound. Please pronounce it that way if possible. < 1302296666 758702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: me < 1302296675 229281 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302296703 448869 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install mit-scheme ::: After this operation, 19.8MB of additional disk space will be used. < 1302296706 399896 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, MIT. < 1302296720 301569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: try sisc < 1302296721 184796 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I have racket installed < 1302296724 465051 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, the latest revision just settles on what the compilers already do) < 1302296725 127454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1302296730 281822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you said *scheme* :) < 1302296746 580928 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you managed to get confused over WHERE the cut off was < 1302296747 112633 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Racket v5.0.1. < 1302296747 390822 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (let* () 5) < 1302296747 541277 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1302296747 727857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: scheme48 is also good < 1302296748 545988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `*' < 1302296754 668978 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^^^ that's why. < 1302296755 837075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dude, that starts in racket mode < 1302296755 987878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it was at "precedence a str" as elliott said < 1302296757 928722 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I said < 1302296761 266694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing to do with scheme < 1302296771 658936 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, so you think scheme will error on that? < 1302296784 329468 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, "by making precedence a stri" <-- bah elliott made me think it cut off somewhere else... "making precedence a strictly post-rest-of-parsing issue." < 1302296787 885133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Racket errors out on set-car!; I would not be surprised. < 1302296822 224779 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1302296835 276995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you need a better client. One which splits lines < 1302296846 564254 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 ]=> (let* () 5) < 1302296846 714817 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;Value: 5 < 1302296848 521454 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy? < 1302296853 458590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :library syntax: (let ) < 1302296853 609118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax: should have the form < 1302296853 609285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(( ) ...), < 1302296853 609390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each is an expression, and should be a sequence of one or more expressions. It is an error for a to appear more than once in the list of variables being bound. < 1302296860 219762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's ambiguous < 1302296864 877322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to look up the definition of ... < 1302296874 71354 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You there? < 1302296914 646114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: O_O < 1302296918 609337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lurker. < 1302296998 350190 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: one more thing, functions put in backticks can also have their precedence declared, the canonical examples being `div` and `mod` (same fixity as /) < 1302297042 579807 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302297059 71611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait they can? < 1302297059 607633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302297061 657985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that < 1302297063 625884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perverse < 1302297064 964477 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302297079 638345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't know that? why would you ever assume anything else? < 1302297095 727870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw did you know in df, you can make dwarfs engrave walls and floors to increase the value of a room? It generates a procedural description of the engraving based on the world history. Masterful engravings will be entered in history. Sometimes you can get thing like an engraving depicting another engraving, depicting a third engraving XD < 1302297119 634043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because `` feels like a magical operator-making thing < 1302297122 814707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1302297123 484524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making < 1302297126 290484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not looking at existing < 1302297126 910340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgfj < 1302297141 257842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it has a magical feel to it < 1302297158 323559 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is magical to you people < 1302297213 265110 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+) = 3; f = (Prelude.+) in (+) `f` (+) < 1302297214 378218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1302297244 442255 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're almost completely interchangabel < 1302297248 305869 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*le < 1302297316 651732 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have another pixley-like language which is different < 1302297323 720650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be awesome is < 1302297325 135857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = b < 1302297329 127838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a inherited bs fixities and things < 1302297338 287946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i was trying to beat pixley's size < 1302297338 940996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was hard < 1302297348 619292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, smallest self-interp subset of shceme < 1302297349 52901 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be, yes < 1302297349 857827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme < 1302297371 287268 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason it defines cadr, for example :) < 1302297387 488980 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think, oh, you can just do that with car and cdr < 1302297409 718699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you see how many times the self-interpreter uses cadr... < 1302297427 284864 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think there's a competition < 1302297429 187307 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there is < 1302297454 942654 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t first < 1302297456 179945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c d. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d) < 1302297465 136562 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my new language isn't a scheme subset, its forms are just kind of similar to pixley's < 1302297470 471192 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1302297518 836305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well *I* was competing :) < 1302297625 680021 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cadr is something of a symptom of not having short pattern matching like haskell < 1302297677 798083 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, sorta. < 1302297686 944210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mailed you already < 1302297693 889716 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, I read "I was trying to beat pixley's size" as "I was trying to beat pixley's wife" < 1302297694 775760 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to respond here. < 1302297710 108383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: oh god do you guys read this thing all the time < 1302297717 600460 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the enigma speaks! < 1302297723 988422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: fizzie: You guys are talking about that COMPETITION < 1302297744 442050 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, usually only when I notice that I've been mentioned recently. < 1302297746 431562 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I guess I can swipe it in, the tournament's going to take ages(tm) anyway since I'm running them on kosh. < 1302297759 986835 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Cheers < 1302297776 588978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still recommend Triton ;-) < 1302297781 694152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc dbc dbc < 1302297809 936240 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes, fine tradition of Pazuzu, Hastur, etc., uh huh < 1302297834 131145 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard on the pronunciation though < 1302297888 774964 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, well... you're not on the course channel, you haven't heard the latest kosh troubles. The silly thing has a nproc soft/hard limit of 128/256 (from /etc/security/limits.conf), and since that thing on Linux counts threads, and the OpenJDK VM has all kinds of silly internal garbage-collection threads 'n such, I can manage to run a total of two (2) simultaneous games at the moment. < 1302297918 691889 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I forgot I had chibi-scheme installed, too: < 1302297919 163141 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (let* () 5) < 1302297919 313706 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1302297920 268000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `*' < 1302297939 959726 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh right, I meant to join that around now. < 1302297956 922974 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you need to use OpenJDK? :-P < 1302297981 591800 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm hoping next week someone's going to relax those limits for me a bit. They already threw away the 20 GB address space hard-ulimit which caused plain "java" to not work (but which didn't affect me any, since java -Xmx256M runs with no problems with the 20G address space limit in place, and it's per-process, not per-user); then I guess they skipped out early for some Friday celebrations, so I haven't gotten any replies to my "excuse me but it's this < 1302297981 754220 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other limit that's the problem" emails. < 1302298010 932687 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's either that, Sun's runtime which is probably pretty much identical, or some sort of gcj-driven thing... anyway, I already announcered OpenJDK as the "official" platform a while ago. < 1302298045 265926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcj sounds like a good idea < 1302298055 113007 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There's an on-channel thing that announces when games start/end, incidentally. But you're probably going to have to wait a while until you see any announcements. :p < 1302298069 192456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH CHANNEL WHICH CHANNEL ZOMGGGG < 1302298077 407104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, that was kind of why I was intending to join < 1302298084 588542 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics for the win and all that. < 1302298092 843544 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's on the course page in our courseware bortal site, you can find it there. < 1302298099 341280 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also in the ircnet side of the fence.) < 1302298101 504134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THAT AN INTRANET SITE < 1302298139 708514 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away some momentsies.) < 1302298176 902822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not appear to bea ble to log on to this IRC NET < 1302298181 802328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be able < 1302298182 441952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd. < 1302298270 736549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1302298274 53980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to find the channel. < 1302298277 134434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302298286 206135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ATTEMPT 1] < 1302298288 542242 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard Richard Stallman talk yesterday. I agree with him but he definitely comes off as an ideologue. I kept thinking he would be more persuasive if he were more nuanced. Dunno. < 1302298289 797865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's the channel called? < 1302298309 331790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc speaks! < 1302298310 866182 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask fizzie not me < 1302298312 176279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: rms' lack of nuance is the reason for both his fame and status as a laughing stock :P < 1302298328 913382 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I knew he came off as an ideologue from reading his numerous things online, I just didn't know if he'd be the same in person) < 1302298336 534888 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: yes) < 1302298367 792246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: IIRC he has like three speeches that he's given repeatedly for the past N years :P < 1302298456 860136 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one of them called free the software < 1302298467 983008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i saw that on youtube < 1302298468 900235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE < 1302298473 305645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'LL BE FREE, HACKERS, YOU'LL BE FREEEEEE < 1302298490 113321 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU AGREE WITH THE IDEOLOGUE THEN YOU MUST AGREE WITH THE IDEOLOGUE < 1302298491 261542 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end he was talking about what the public schools need to do to respect the kids's freedom and teach them to value their own freedom and help them grow up to be good citizens. And I was wondering where he got the idea that the schools were vaguely interested in doing any of those things. < 1302298540 896798 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should read some John Gatto or something. < 1302298551 254056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, I heard he has been known to pick his toes during interviews. < 1302298579 266339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And eat the remains. < 1302298583 600468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is videographic evidence of this. < 1302298629 234296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i occasionally suck on my toes < 1302298643 548095 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyone want to guess what he thinks the schools should do?) < 1302298653 598810 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: kill the weak ones < 1302298679 312004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: put them through extreme mental and physical torture < 1302298687 199102 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I finally found Racket's R5RS intepreter: 'plt-r5rs' < 1302298694 391394 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :five seconds left. < 1302298696 101356 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does the usual < 1302298702 193598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: um < 1302298705 732304 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use free software and only free software. < 1302298705 882792 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: who, Gatto? < 1302298711 37829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302298711 919164 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1302298712 186233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302298714 279382 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302298715 528821 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Stallman :PPP < 1302298729 639173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: maybe even FORCE them to use only free softwar? < 1302298731 842807 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*software < 1302298734 20395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually grinning after a :D < 1302298734 866447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rare < 1302298742 185072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would teach them freedom whether they like it or not < 1302298745 979011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it warms my heart that there are people as pure and stupid as rms in the world :) < 1302298748 674508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol < 1302298750 172245 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: ... where (region) are you? < 1302298753 557543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP! IT'S FOR YOUR FREEDOM! < 1302298755 274745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do those little retards know anyway < 1302298759 108685 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portland Oregon USA. < 1302298762 62842 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNEW IT < 1302298765 951810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I don't *want* any freedom!" "YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE!" < 1302298766 118203 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it too < 1302298776 365180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1302298778 477484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i had no idea < 1302298783 62896 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Portland friend of mine told me that a friend of HIS had arranged for RMS to come to PSU :P < 1302298794 431939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO WE KNOW WHO TO BLAME < 1302298802 206854 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a friend of a friend of mine! < 1302298820 610724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So reduce the stack a bit, and: you. < 1302298823 688253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will lynch you. < 1302298969 215468 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a plt-r6rs too, but it... doesn't have... a REPL. < 1302298970 434729 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey@pressey:~/checkout$ plt-r6rs test.scm < 1302298970 595080 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.scm:1:0: top-level-program: expected an `import' declaration, found something else in: (display (let* () 5)) < 1302298979 35864 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1302298983 471473 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Scheme is dead now... < 1302299027 144024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1302299085 752415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat? < 1302299096 589292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using r6rs < 1302299100 471145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r6rs specifically forbids REPLs, IIRC < 1302299121 458680 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just wanted to see if empty let bindings was kosher there. < 1302299129 799004 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it... specifically... < 1302299140 889699 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1302299157 923238 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come again? < 1302299160 227212 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1302299248 519692 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy cow you're right < 1302299250 436602 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactions disabled: r6rs does not support a REPL (no #%top-interaction) < 1302299262 763786 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by my observation that Scheme is dead. < 1302299268 615674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the entire semantics are defined in terms of things that make no sense in the concept of repls, IIRC < 1302299271 715828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was lots of flaming about it < 1302299289 479951 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Now talking on #%top-interaction < 1302299295 212435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are r6rs repls, but they essentially define their own program semantics < 1302299321 421770 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway! Going to make maybe French toast. See you. < 1302299340 724380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :french toast is wonderful < 1302299340 874853 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1302299341 398963 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1302299344 913761 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy cya < 1302299353 843399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? dbc? < 1302299462 479034 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg, the hello world site doesn't even specify a version of Scheme that their Scheme "hello world" is in < 1302299473 614790 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT R6RS IS ALL I CAN TELL YA < 1302299482 150785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1302299566 847483 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how long will it take me to find a R6RS "hello world"? Rosetta code doesn't have one, either < 1302299713 521011 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1302299715 364618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :355) BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1302299724 796437 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND HackEgo WILL HELP < 1302299926 430381 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lang r6rs < 1302299927 211405 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(import (rnrs base) (rnrs io simple)) (display "hello world") < 1302299949 593224 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so, they're slowly turning it into Java. Good for them! < 1302299960 584303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first line is racket specific btw < 1302299967 252259 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1302300016 717508 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can leave out (rnrs base) apparently < 1302300048 646121 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, I had read the spec to come up with that < 1302300113 637125 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right there was a reason i was doing this < 1302300154 152843 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(import (rnrs base) (rnrs io simple)) (display (let* () 5)) -----> 5 < 1302300168 904613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what impl? < 1302300171 503777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't trust racket :) < 1302300176 689225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :larceny maybe < 1302300178 800646 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket, yeah. < 1302300186 362975 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw u need base for let*, HAR < 1302300256 346049 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for let < 1302300268 528360 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which produces the same result as let* in every impl i've tried so far < 1302300287 204356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec is ambiguous IMO < 1302300291 743440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how you interpret ... < 1302300365 80026 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why can't you be elliottt < 1302300368 829207 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY?? < 1302300409 833512 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the current hot application area for R6RS: video pinball! http://www.littlewingpinball.com/doc/en/ypsilon/index.html < 1302300491 347673 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god i can't even get drracket to close < 1302300662 804660 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would personally interpret the example (foo ...) as meaning "one or more occurrences of foo", but whadduino < 1302300681 405142 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a whadduino like an arduino < 1302300689 379223 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :except whadded? < 1302300690 33514 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ypsilon real-time in the actual, strict sense of real-time, or is it real-time in the sense of "fast enough"? < 1302300704 716446 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think you mean "interactive" or "online" < 1302300705 154399 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it's Scheme, so... < 1302300705 874863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's real-time as in game real-time :P < 1302300732 511733 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: My university has a big project on real-time Java. In the real sense of real-time. So anything is possible. < 1302300742 994803 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, I mean neither. Neither of those are real-time. < 1302300752 355460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolololol < 1302300753 486356 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your university is a university. This is some Japanese guy who really likes video pinball. < 1302300771 710511 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought "fast enough" was opposed to real-time in your sentence. < 1302300781 921453 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Real-time means that you can statically guarantee timing properties of the program. < 1302300789 144677 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse those Erlang knaves for popularizing "soft real-time" < 1302300790 259924 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: really???? < 1302300804 330926 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: technically, yes, when people aren't abusing the term < 1302300817 588854 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes [caveats: On a certain OS, on a certain piece of hardware, all the way down] < 1302300830 596823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TROLOLOLOLOL < 1302300834 711479 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that totally surprised me, i always thought that "real-time" was a brand of toothpaste :| < 1302300849 882119 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real-time is the REAL DEAL < 1302300855 245520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think soft real-time predates erlang :P < 1302300860 571314 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real-time is what you need to be to run on an airplane. < 1302300874 220062 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats cheater99 -----###
< 1302300879 349503 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1302300879 744815 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did I say they invented it? < 1302300888 823240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1302300890 236499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its popularity < 1302300891 78001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :predates < 1302300891 731833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1302300897 154285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: swat harder < 1302300900 590957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about those real-time systems, why can't my os be one of those < 1302300900 929796 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i know what "real-time" is. you didn't have to tell me that. < 1302300909 721683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: *your* OS *can* be! < 1302300918 358105 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if you didn't get it, i was being sarcastic. < 1302300918 679305 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS < 1302300939 521304 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I EAT BABIES. < 1302300941 643907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get it < 1302300949 729721 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you monster! < 1302300954 907454 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: NOM NOM NOM < 1302300961 768132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did get that you didn't actually think real-time was a brand of toothpaste though < 1302300975 546951 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i only eat babies if they are already dead by the time i find them < 1302300979 215974 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives Gregor some woucester sauce.
< 1302300997 919615 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you played penumbra :D < 1302301004 151186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what's that < 1302301007 556328 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game < 1302301010 899589 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah I need a scheme to build Larceny < 1302301012 467570 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a comment there similar to this < 1302301015 518408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was a brand of toothpaste < 1302301020 985471 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a game < 1302301027 274460 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1302301030 113390 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so like I have like a dozen schemes installed at this point but that's beside the fact < 1302301030 715107 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not one tub of toothpaste in it. play it. < 1302301036 123848 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really good. < 1302301040 695194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you must really hate building ghc < 1302301042 503659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :penumbra < 1302301053 311357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larceny compiles directly to native machine code for the Intel IA32 or SPARC architectures. < 1302301053 472778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Petit Larceny is a portable implementation that compiles to C instead of machine code. < 1302301053 632101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Larceny runs in the Common Language Runtime (CLR) of Microsoft .NET, generating IL, which is JIT-compiled to native machine code by the CLR. < 1302301056 411819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eagerly awaiting Garden Larceny < 1302301116 118117 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who here has programmed anything in NaCl? < 1302301128 350370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WHAT IST IRC < 1302301133 124951 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dear god dear god yes. < 1302301139 619067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! wait! < 1302301150 355537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [fizzie] @!NDQJMt934400 #douglasadams @#irtie #!/usr/bin/ff @#getnolife < 1302301152 546219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET IT'S THE FIRST ONE < 1302301161 442479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The humans are dead.. < 1302301180 12491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1302301190 280948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does IRCnet not have +i? :-) < 1302301218 539904 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ ircnet < 1302301229 817980 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand larceny accepts (let* () 5). < 1302301236 120497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hyvä kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen < 1302301238 410528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish works this way < 1302301255 249133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, this is kind of wrong though, like kicking a dog :/ < 1302301258 625725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dog with a ridiculous language < 1302301293 480394 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: OMG THAT'S TABLE SALT < 1302301312 885011 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: NO! < 1302301319 605375 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes it is. < 1302301329 444206 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: shocking! < 1302301366 91977 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's also a sort of asm-like language that google is pushing. < 1302301378 110118 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ypsilon gives me an R6RS REPL. RACY. < 1302301394 301255 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually just asm, with some special things that the static analyzer needs to validate it against. < 1302301395 698660 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaand it too believes (let* () 5) is perfectly valid and means 5. < 1302301418 508281 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed assembly language, huh < 1302301422 611060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey has this nice new life goal < 1302301422 774750 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1302301425 30199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cute < 1302301433 138477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll never stop until he's evaluated that expression in every scheme implementation ever < 1302301443 717564 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just analyzes whether it calls any functions it's not allowed to, that's all < 1302301460 273444 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a sort of type system < 1302301470 308960 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are two types < 1302301481 501280 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of person who thinks it's a typed system, and the type who doesn't < 1302301502 462969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity < 1302301505 265676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :330) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1302301516 351615 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that where that came from? < 1302301521 574849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302301543 42678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously they asked if anyone in here was Rosicrucian < 1302301547 595000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some real thing though? < 1302301558 646173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's some sort of rave going on upstairs < 1302301563 425223 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaggle it and you'll know < 1302301570 160473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:17:08 treederwright, what're the dimensions of the matrix of solidity? < 1302301570 980187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:18:01 Is the matrix of solidity square? Is it invertible? < 1302301574 128924 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should go there naked and yell "orgy time!" < 1302301576 210509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these questions were never answered. < 1302301583 180028 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: same here, but downstairs < 1302301587 394421 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a tango festival < 1302301886 195176 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zodiac < 1302301893 809669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:41:24 shit has no value and thus doesn't lose any, is useful for getting rid off and can be small. it's not highly valuable though. < 1302301914 818780 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote odiac < 1302301916 490936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1302301954 652870 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X has no value" -> "X is not highly valuable" < 1302301957 802883 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VALID INFERENCE < 1302301977 880124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:05 are rodeos built out of rhodium < 1302301978 153848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:14 Yes. Yes they are. < 1302301978 304158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:16 So is Rhodew. < 1302301978 304330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:19 *Rhodes < 1302301978 304440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:26 this all makes sense. < 1302301978 454430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:30 maybe i can learn more tomorrow -> < 1302302012 147687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i did < 1302302058 6021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn something new every day, oklopol. < 1302302066 714708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey oklopol, ircnet !NDQJMt934400 < 1302302068 954124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be there or be oblong < 1302302077 62622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a party < 1302302093 53871 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will soon have a strongly typed scheme-let which isn't actually too very much like scheme, unless i get bored with this and decide to think about something else < 1302302098 721902 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT, GENTLE FOLK < 1302302099 929365 :cpressey!~cpressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1302302117 226644 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1302302154 923163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come now oklopol < 1302302157 58375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1302302162 235942 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302302186 438069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1302302186 597542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes sorta long to get accepted to ircnet < 1302302187 885264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book: < 1302302188 44704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuart Russel, Peter Norvig. < 1302302188 44927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artificial Intelligence: the Modern Approach. < 1302302194 326555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this should be "Russell", "A Modern" < 1302302196 410281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://noppa.tkk.fi/noppa/kurssi/t-93.4400/summary_in_english) < 1302302200 966744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YW < 1302302207 810736 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're singing "we're not gonna take it" < 1302302212 793474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can clearly hear the lyrics < 1302302226 181633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably stop watching pig porn with full volume < 1302302228 406954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i just wished that channel a good kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen, i think however that it is much better now that you are there < 1302302410 316208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's not aurinkoloistamassataivaalla-aika right now so no one's talking < 1302302410 977009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1302302413 607221 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no someone talked < 1302302513 229822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: boring! < 1302302529 399870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: speak some fake polysynthetic-finnish, we'll convince everyone we're brothers < 1302302537 43417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just start okoing :D < 1302302544 640230 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd never do something that childish < 1302302548 636969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. never. < 1302302578 194209 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, should prolly take pikhq off ignore < 1302302603 61768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was he on ignore < 1302302614 323252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told me i know less math than the egyptians < 1302302633 915128 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it a huge insult < 1302302658 678385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was that < 1302302659 495745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008? < 1302302675 507408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, anything between 3 days and 3 months ago < 1302302745 751094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet my guitar amp could outloud those party dudes < 1302303139 661754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1302303176 597915 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: say, you don't happen to want normish.org, do you? < 1302303188 580892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good to keep both logs in case one is broke < 1302303195 481872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both logs are there < 1302303201 588502 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see that. < 1302303208 22201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want it more than an un-Friendly AI might want to fill the universe with paperclips. < 1302303221 216495 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you want it a positive amount? < 1302303239 100122 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the minimum possible amount of wanting is 0, and anything other than 0 constitutes want. < 1302303243 727480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it an INFINITE POSITIVE AMOUNT. < 1302303248 951295 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1302303264 431072 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have been in ##nomic, then; the topic has said for days that I'm giving it away. :P < 1302303277 620494 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rank of infinity do you want? < 1302303326 908094 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have a MyDomain account? < 1302303358 900475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ownership of normish.org involve spending money? < 1302303376 398450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I totally do. On the other hand, I don't want it today, if that's okay X-D < 1302303387 697502 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to renew it every so often. You would not have to pay me, unless there are multiple people who want it. < 1302303395 280959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1302303405 152375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want it more if there is any interest in playing a game like Normish. < 1302303414 715025 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have interest in that. :P < 1302303442 537954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to use FORMCARD? I invented the FORMCARD specification a while ago I would like to see in case of anything wrong you should check http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/formcard/fileformat.txt < 1302303470 919861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: People who aren't you. < 1302303502 146057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesy < 1302303513 676825 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Sgeo also has interest in playing it. < 1302303533 305735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't guarantee I'd be active all the time thogh < 1302303579 404571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I now see the PERFECT WAY TO RUN NORMISH. < 1302303587 809772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll tax! < 1302303607 583852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be able to vote, every month, everyone has to pay (cost of server)/(number of players). :p < 1302303625 631269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were specifically trying to exclude me < 1302303636 264403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those who don't do that for two months in a row have their accounts made inactive. Any costs not covered are paid by root. < 1302303637 879445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENIUS AMIRITE < 1302303671 655254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wut? < 1302303672 639711 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've figured there'd be a certain number of voting credits, and you could buy them outright, but anyone who's willing to pay more for them can buy them out from under you. < 1302303688 850152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I was mostly just trying to avoid having to spend money on the whole endeavour :) < 1302303693 147481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since I find it annoying to pay for stuff < 1302303697 341058 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a server for free as long as I don't do anything naughty. < 1302303704 933610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What provider? < 1302303713 943896 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend. :P < 1302303723 546005 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's getting it from prgmr. < 1302303750 762893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, it'd be a lot easier if I just got a prgmr server myself :-P < 1302303758 301015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd probably do fine with the $8/mo package, even. < 1302303771 467280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How much do you pay for FlyByWire? < 1302303772 187148 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine. I'd be fully willing to pay half. < 1302303775 950366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because prgmr have a $5/mo server :P < 1302303784 697952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole 64 MEBIOCTETS of RAM. < 1302303785 713881 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: $20/yr < 1302303791 480727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 16 MEBIWORDS of RAM. < 1302303795 1926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow :P < 1302303815 82792 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fly By Wire Enterprises: We is with having of the good times servers for less your money! < 1302303821 900880 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :™ < 1302303852 745268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is fly-by-wire about it anyway :P < 1302303861 142970 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the price. < 1302303864 325480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fly-by-wireless" BEST TERM EVER < 1302303884 751286 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you don't control the servers by applying mechanical force to their control surfaces. :P < 1302303890 102040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Anyway, clearly Normish 2 has to be an acceptable host for SmallNomic :P < 1302303898 434204 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly! < 1302303910 401126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: To be honest, my IDEAL SmallNomic concept is actually... @nomic. < 1302303937 511095 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? A Twitter account? < 1302303937 932882 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROFESSIONAL BA-BY < 1302303953 37114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's that from again >_> < 1302303955 972236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You know of elliottOS? < 1302303964 277454 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN YOU'RE AN ANDROID < 1302303969 184475 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. < 1302303972 467056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: RIGHT < 1302303976 262072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Where'd you pull that word from < 1302303980 451081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :-) < 1302303993 495025 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should I make us a WePay account to handle expenses? < 1302304018 379649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Let's say tomorrow. < 1302304023 696689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I am rather sleepy. < 1302304026 45325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: With oklopol's knowledge of Finnish and my desire for every language to be polysynthetic combined, we applied our combined forces to create the best word for "today" ever. < 1302304031 437571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I hope you grokked the meaning. < 1302304032 435191 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME ABOUT WEPAY WHEN I WAS COLLECTING FOR LIBC.SO < 1302304048 112514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aye, I guessed as much < 1302304048 766906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Q:Does WePay allow international (non-US) payments? < 1302304048 934382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:Not right now, but we hope to soon. < 1302304052 381040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Sorry, not workable. < 1302304053 864358 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sorry I didn't know about WePay either < 1302304094 492723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I would be fine just paying for the server myself, but if you want to pay half of it, then I'm fine just receiving half the yearly cost every year via any means :P < 1302304097 220667 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. I want Normish to be up and running with 1,000,000 users by tonight. < 1302304107 674103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get Google on the phone. < 1302304121 85302 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So do you want to know who Fly By Wire Industries is? :P < 1302304128 544245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. I believe you've said but sure :P < 1302304140 552633 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sorry, it's my fault. I knew about WePay but deliberately chose not to tell you because I hate your guts. < 1302304148 78810 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not you yourself, just your guts. < 1302304149 565873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wait, so if I walked up to you IRL and dropped that word into a sentence, you'd continue on like nothing happened? < 1302304150 55077 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, the other thing that was distressing is their extremely nondescript plans, including several plans with a substantially different price but the same features. < 1302304160 321569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: THIS COULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE ME LEARN FINNISH < 1302304163 138142 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :365ezone.com (<-- also so lol) < 1302304164 426758 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I figured the best way to spite your guts was this. < 1302304185 525689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, you should have got a Windows server. < 1302304187 58241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More diversity. < 1302304193 37414 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd understand what you're trying to say, but I wouldn't continue "like nothing happened" :-P < 1302304211 86602 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's this magical word that you're talking about? < 1302304215 941780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can't say you'd give me a blank stare, because a blank stare is the default Finnish facial expression. < 1302304223 571735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen < 1302304226 305406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It means "today". < 1302304230 815105 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and are you sure you can't make a United States domestic payment? :P < 1302304234 729305 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See: Price. < 1302304245 913095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "24-hour-time-period-current" or something < 1302304248 321533 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand four letters of that word! Yay! < 1302304251 750272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not SURE of that, but I'm sufficiently not unsure of it that it seems less pain just to give the payments in bulk :P < 1302304257 866796 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I think I do. :P < 1302304264 115900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Precisely. < 1302304267 827044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: except unlike the finnish version, that english word is almost a valid sentence < 1302304271 887244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1302304278 302448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: et tu brute < 1302304278 728565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sentence but noun pile < 1302304282 211597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noun pile :D < 1302304287 172689 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I actually don't understand any of it. < 1302304296 383878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg < 1302304332 655062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it was kahdenkymmenennelj�ntunninajanjaksot�m�nhetkinen, it'd be as good < 1302304372 771973 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "tämänhetkinen" just seems wrong < 1302304381 702862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: as wrong as in english < 1302304402 360599 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still wrong < 1302304417 76096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dislike t�m�nhetkinenkahdenkymmenennelj�ntunninajanjakso too? < 1302304428 685806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am offering a $9999999999 bounty for composing the sentence "My hovercraft is full of eels." in a single word of polysyntheticFinnish. < 1302304444 96157 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, because then it should be (at least) two words :-P < 1302304455 840079 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you have that much money? < 1302304459 519668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely. < 1302304462 481453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: unlike current24hourperiod? < 1302304470 455017 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never said which currency that's in. < 1302304484 61706 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what currency is that in? < 1302304491 144323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The 24hourperiod bit is fairly fine in Finnish, not English. < 1302304492 784937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is probably some currency using the dollar sign?) < 1302304504 990586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is elliott dollars. < 1302304513 364844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the treasurer, mint, &c. < 1302304559 955099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you made up your own $9999999999 bill which is valid only for paying you? < 1302304565 549651 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: maybe slightly more fine < 1302304569 906188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also for paying Deewiant. < 1302304573 442546 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zimbabwe dollars < 1302304574 711424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will open up an account in the Bank of Elliott. < 1302304583 59759 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now valueless) < 1302304583 940706 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Best I can do is "my hovercraft full of eels" in two words: ankeriastäytteinen ilmatyynyalukseni < 1302304598 718509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dude, it doesn't have to be perfectly valid Finnish. < 1302304606 182313 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then just remove the space < 1302304617 788513 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creating a word like your 24-hour-period < 1302304619 658548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You need to fit the "is" in... probably in suffix. < 1302304632 417232 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott dollars are legal tender for all debts, public and private, owed by elliott. < 1302304633 504959 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW TO MAKE A VALID FINNISH WORD: REMOVE SPACES < 1302304650 874875 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "is" is totally unnecessary in Finnish. < 1302304655 435729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1302304658 345087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are actually like 28 one-letter finnish words < 1302304661 990434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you just concatenate them successively < 1302304675 978473 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many letters are used in Finnish, not counting "sh"? < 1302304690 678983 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you turn täyttyä into some neat verb form that would be past, finitive, detransitivized < 1302304713 649529 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course! < 1302304724 292568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: new bounty: "twenty-four-hour-period-in-which-my-hovercraft-is-full-of-eels" < 1302304737 595837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that it could go after "good", e.g. "good day" -> "good [day in which my hovercraft is full of eels]" < 1302304740 34290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i.e. < 1302304746 391639 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave that one for oklopol < 1302304772 651721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ^ < 1302304805 197671 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires too great finnish-fu for my hurri abilities :| < 1302304867 9278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION says nothing and hopes they go away
< 1302304909 835655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HI < 1302304971 790050 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do this with German, too. < 1302304975 622486 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any Germans here? < 1302304976 478965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do hope you're actually inputting nonsense into a translator instead of getting that out of something sensible < 1302304988 237184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i refuse to disclose :-D < 1302304991 22671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disclose my methods < 1302305004 917788 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or Austrians, Suisse Deutsch?) < 1302305010 130170 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilmatyynyaluksenankeriaistäyttyneisyydenkahdenkymmenennenneljäntunninkausi < 1302305013 264224 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302305020 600479 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, it lacks the first person possessive < 1302305042 865783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough < 1302305051 918319 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yon eelful day < 1302305054 781173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: pronounce THAT :D < 1302305070 699722 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be mistaken morphology in there < 1302305071 123206 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google doesn't understand it :( < 1302305073 351287 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not hard, really < 1302305077 15237 :Gregor!Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does know that it's Finnish) < 1302305077 832496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: close enough, it means *something* except for the obvious typo < 1302305079 159601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1302305080 950692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1302305096 986087 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my keyboard sucks so typos can be because of that < 1302305100 233236 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the Finnishest letters are adeghijklmnoprstuvyäö. 21 of them. < 1302305110 571300 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nåværende tjuefiretimersperiode < 1302305111 640504 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1302305122 313991 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kymmenen got a bit mangled < 1302305123 461910 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Finnish has 21 basic words, clearly, but there are a few loanwords, too. < 1302305129 438749 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ait no < 1302305140 540532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, they're cunningly constructed out of the basic words < 1302305149 75625 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ankerias/ankerias < 1302305157 705130 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, keyboard sucks! < 1302305160 929385 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So things such as "b" are constructed out of the other 21 letters? < 1302305163 543600 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking aptop of hell < 1302305193 393337 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*laptop <- see? < 1302305193 552496 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b was unable to cross the finnish line < 1302305205 70865 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1302305207 781426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so funny about "olen menettänyt sen" < 1302305211 920013 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who crosses the Finnish border becomes unable to say "b". < 1302305217 969165 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a diagonalization proof that early Finnish could not support "b" < 1302305228 964133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : So things such as "b" are constructed out of the other 21 letters? < 1302305229 481181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1302305229 909507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1302305230 491435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302305230 647332 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "b"-aura doesn't extend into Finland, you see. < 1302305239 232680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's so funny about "olen menettänyt sen" < 1302305245 266235 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". < 1302305269 472563 :tswett!~Warrigal@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1302305298 814966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1302305299 727535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :356) Of course, "b" is clearly just "pv". Say "pvottle". It will sound... similar to exactly the same as "bottle". < 1302305365 508119 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian samis are stereotypically unable of saying voiced stops... < 1302305374 821511 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to say < 1302305416 297427 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sami languages are closely related to finnish < 1302305419 894003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: olen menett�nyt sen is funny because it's so far from the correct meaning, despite being unambiguously translatable and thus understandable. and menett�� is such a serious word. < 1302305425 984973 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. < 1302305431 747009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does it actually mean then :P < 1302305434 956669 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what's it supposed to mean? < 1302305436 847801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have lost it < 1302305442 984219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: "I lost it" < 1302305443 473798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1302305445 473493 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they mistranslate into it < 1302305449 40374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please find my blah, I lost it < 1302305455 552478 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I misplaced it < 1302305456 542924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the intention < 1302305457 210518 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :somesuch < 1302305465 321721 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, k. < 1302305466 966882 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1302305471 25563 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got more connotations < 1302305488 164831 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more. < 1302305490 64197 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you literally meant you have lost something? < 1302305507 853298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1302305512 628393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my drift, that is < 1302305512 790937 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is not at all funny, just the wrong word. < 1302305515 414871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1302305518 276323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you think i meant < 1302305519 632699 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have misunderplaced it < 1302305520 142168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost my mind < 1302305520 736972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-429.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302305520 996899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1302305529 841972 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olen hukannut sen is closer then < 1302305570 39831 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually menettää is more like, lost in gambling, lost something to someone as one of the connotations < 1302305582 214921 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon me sir, i would seem to have mislaid some of my marbles < 1302305989 89465 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hand will not fit in the shredder. < 1302306010 795495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1302306017 775178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1302306030 406427 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a feature rather than a flaw < 1302306088 440879 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes. Actually the shredder is broken anyways. Now it will be necessary to unscrew it in order to fix it. < 1302306102 763377 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do not have that kind of screwdrivers. < 1302306132 903755 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :menettää sounds like the polish word for cunnilingus. < 1302306454 573313 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1302306565 138937 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which feature of TeXnicard is most important one to you? (You are allowed to select one which is not implemented yet, if that is what you wish) < 1302306641 193173 :cheater99!~cheater@g224203227.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1302306655 922345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the name < 1302306684 218380 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would that be considered a feature of the program? < 1302306702 478452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1302306711 636592 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it makes it better than the same project named e.g. "elliott" < 1302306759 635673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fan sucks as a name! J sucks as a name! Factor _really_ sucks as a name! < 1302306792 872790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Yes, perhaps it is correct, it is better for the project to be named correctly according to what it is, instead of according to what it isn't. But still, the name is not really one of the functions of the program, I think. < 1302306798 739231 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1302306802 180429 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you suggest the better one than Fan, J, Factor? < 1302306824 970838 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably is best to leave those named as it is, since they were already like that? It might confuse more by changing it? < 1302306841 748897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, they shouldn't have been named those things in the first place < 1302306847 965291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think we're really improving your channel < 1302306860 77069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look for Factor language, you'll get stuff about how to do factoring in given languages < 1302306861 723855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OK, then. What do you think they should have been named? < 1302306867 877099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anything else < 1302306874 832723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fan is a nice name < 1302306877 739658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantom is a bad name < 1302306896 353903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantom's more Googleable than Fan < 1302306898 285353 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the only reason for me to use your program is if it makes me feel better < 1302306906 633265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess fan programming or fan language is still Googleable < 1302306914 111439 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i wouldn't feel so good if i were using an "elliott" program < 1302306931 240150 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure you can find stuff about Factor language, on Wikipedia, the article titles are very well organized that you should easily be able to guess the article title for nearly anything you look up, and get it correct. < 1302306933 532947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it went Fantom -> Fan < 1302306937 9074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went Fan -> Fantom < 1302306939 719526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ok with that. < 1302306965 238230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but I want more than just Wikipedia and what it links to. I want to be able to search StackOverflow without getting nonsense about factoring < 1302306992 813120 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do they have categories in StackOverflow that you can use instead? < 1302306995 367331 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantor < 1302307017 750309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dan + Tom = Dantom < 1302307038 770964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fannie Mae + Thomas = Fantom? < 1302307039 374950 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the The programming language < 1302307047 909443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fanlctorn < 1302307057 326760 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Language Formerly Known as Fan" < 1302307072 375170 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have called it an unpronouncable symbol < 1302307079 960607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Does my program makes you feel better? Generally the reason of using a computer program is it is useful for the things you are doing by computer. < 1302307085 247312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES, that should be APL < 1302307103 684694 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, no. < 1302307115 949340 :ZOMGMODULES!~catseye@adsl-99-92-177-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Fantom, thank you for looking exactly like every other language. Yours, ZOMGMODULES < 1302307117 633623 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, APL. < 1302307145 455454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I meant that APL's name should be < 1302307145 644493 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it is supposed to be useful, but the usefulness is not purely functional in the sense that there are no side-effects from the program in the form of the program *directly* accessing the state of my happiness. < 1302307156 803083 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Programming language < 1302307166 758561 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229073.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to returning a happiness modifier to the higher-level task from within which it was involved. < 1302307173 240675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices oerjan
< 1302307173 769204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES: im gonna make apex without any of ur stinky influences < 1302307181 970791 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... APL almost _is_ that isn't it. < 1302307196 349882 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: O, well, if it make you happy that is the bonus!