< 1299715219 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just pretend I never took any interest in COBOL. < 1299715229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you just make up puns all day, say yes < 1299715367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1299715386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also sometimes eat and drink < 1299715468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1299715477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HOW OFTEN, COMPARED TO PUNNING, ON AVERAGE, WOULD YOU SAY < 1299715489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRICKY < 1299715506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Somewhere in the region of... zero, perhaps?" < 1299715517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT < 1299715537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depends on region size, i guess < 1299715600 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299716207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is it with the french? i ask you. < 1299716215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je ne sais pas < 1299716220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OY VEY < 1299716221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey < 1299716222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW < 1299716223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, honey < 1299716224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly < 1299716234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly Honey. < 1299716236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're ridiculous. < 1299716237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*honey. < 1299716246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS HONEY NOT SWEET < 1299716253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been lied to my whole life! < 1299716256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Too busy being delicious. < 1299716267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I eat honey it's lying to me, it pretends to be sweet BUT IT'S NOT < 1299716276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1299716317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, op gregor. < 1299716338 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1299716345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Gregor < 1299716347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1299716352 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1299716356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ban honey. < 1299716358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it now. < 1299716366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now unban me from #esoteric-minecraft or I ban you from #esoteric :P < 1299716373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're banned in -minecraft?? < 1299716374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299716381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did my unban not work? X-D < 1299716389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric-minecraft Banlist: Wed Mar 9 05:25:36 *!*Gregor@*.org elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott < 1299716391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahaha < 1299716406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Done :-P < 1299716410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest mistake, I swear. < 1299716418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey mistake < 1299716422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b honey!*@beehive.insectopia.us < 1299716432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just stay being an op. < 1299716434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally reassuring. < 1299716442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very calming < 1299716443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing that someone who isn't a weirdo is an op. < 1299716446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances at oerjan < 1299716456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bans elliott -----### < 1299716465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, banning feels an awful lot like swatting. < 1299716466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How curious. < 1299716468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, typo < 1299716519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH. Tunes does the exact same memory-disk unification as me. < 1299716530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this horrible feeling that all my ideas have been previously invented during Tunes. < 1299716539 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299716722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b noteda*!*@174.122.* < 1299716730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1299716732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that ban < 1299716742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spammer from a while ago < 1299716749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you're gonna solve the persistent problem :-P < 1299716763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO PROBLEM < 1299716772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuuuuuure < 1299716794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all these bans that are so old i have no idea who they are < 1299716817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect time to start anew, with fresh, exciting, relevant, modern bans. < 1299716832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... < 1299716836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at them :P < 1299716845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as *!*@*.uk < 1299716847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a few should probably stay. some i don't quite understand. < 1299716849 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *!*@*.com < 1299716852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric Banlist: Wed Jan 19 06:33:28 *!*@unaffiliated/reikon sendak.freenode.net < 1299716855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was dixon. < 1299716865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was dixon. < 1299716875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the person who Quadrescence bought in to taunt fax for ~a whole day < 1299716880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1299716888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ended up having about 90% of the trolling getting trolled for ridiculous hours until i convinced you to ban them both. < 1299716891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*@unaffiliated/reikon < 1299716897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then dixon appealed on quad's behalf. but quad is now gone now. so there should be no problem. < 1299716935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Libster was the guy who (pathetically, admittedly) tried trolling us for like a few days. unlikely to return. < 1299716947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .mx one looks like an anti-spam one. I suspect the "email" ones too < 1299716975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:21:40:24 --- join: darfur (n=darfur@c-24-11-26-71.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #esoteric < 1299716975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:22:16:02 --- mode: lament set +b *!*n=darfur@*.hsd1.mi.comcast.net < 1299716985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*Libster@*.bltmmd.east.verizon.net < 1299716990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being an irritating cock < 1299716997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:43:55 Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request? < 1299716997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:43:58 Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request? < 1299716997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about 100 repetitions of this) < 1299717010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and a full recital of 99 bottles of beer triggered by him. < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:08 i see i just escaped the action. < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:13 --- mode: lament set -o lament < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:24 makes the logs rather quick to read... < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:20:20 * lament blows the smoke off the tip of the gun and puts the gun back into the belt < 1299717024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21:51 putting retards out of their misery since 2007 < 1299717025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:23:21 * oerjan cunningly detects a ddarius inspiration < 1299717050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/10.10.16:19:46:40 --- join: hyper_cube (4859958e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.89.149.142) joined #esoteric < 1299717050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/10.10.16:19:57:31 --- mode: oerjan set +b *!*4859958e@*.72.89.149.142 < 1299717054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was Sgeo's beyond-retarded pal. < 1299717075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EXCUSE ME I AM DOING YOUR RESEARCH FOR YOU? < 1299717096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... < 1299717099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks? < 1299717102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THANK YOU. < 1299717108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, fuckin' rude ops these days < 1299717120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the shutup@ bans, those are all mistakes, absolutely < 1299717126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should remove all of them. now. < 1299717127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUUUUURE < 1299717155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :67.15.72.46was Phenax < 1299717163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another moron/troll IIRC < 1299717166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299717169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was the ghetto-speak guy < 1299717178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*darfur@*.hsd1.mi.comcast.net < 1299717204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.19:13:19:57 --- join: Conceptual (n=Conceptu@d14-69-59-38.try.wideopenwest.com) joined #esoteric < 1299717204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:21:39:17 --- join: Conceptual (n=Conceptu@d14-69-59-38.try.wideopenwest.com) joined #esoteric < 1299717204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/esotericlogs/07.08.20:22:16:43 --- mode: lament set +b *!*@d14-69-59-38.try.wideopenwest.com < 1299717206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same ban pain as darfur < 1299717208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pair < 1299717238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suomi ban is < 1299717246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:23 smuckers: so, please explain why you insist on vandalizing our wiki. < 1299717246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:00 intense boredom < 1299717252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe leave that ban there :) < 1299717257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1299717265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:19 smuckers: And vandalism helps? < 1299717266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:36 no, i still feel so empty inside < 1299717266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:26:01 maybe a cock in you would fill you up < 1299717273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESOTERIC, THE HOME OF GOOD ADVICE < 1299717291 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hello there < 1299717293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same as the other email guy < 1299717297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he ban-evaded < 1299717304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: hi. we're cleaning out the ban list. < 1299717387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*4859958e@*.72.89.149.142 < 1299717404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1299717405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo will bring him back < 1299717421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*@67.15.72.46 < 1299717423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I won't < 1299717506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this strange intuition not to unban that wideopenwest guy, so i won't. < 1299717526 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299717578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but how will you ever gauge the accuracy of your intuition if you don't test it? < 1299717591 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299717677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I've found the source of Unlambda's perversity. < 1299717683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299717685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I believe (though Faré disagrees) the starting point for Tunes should be Hurd+Guile." < 1299717716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what does that have to do with unlambda? oh hm. < 1299717721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: --David Madore < 1299717728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French nutcase. < 1299717759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1299718031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does one express the iota combinator with SKI? < 1299718067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's iota? < 1299718139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the iota combinator < 1299718159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as seen in the language ``Iota'' < 1299718167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming to a Chris Barker near you < 1299718173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \x. xSK < 1299718179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299718181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest definition would be nice :p < 1299718186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. one that reduces to xSK almost directly...) < 1299718209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK) < 1299718236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> (SI(KS))x(KKx) < 1299718245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> < 1299718267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> Ix((KS)x)(KKx) < 1299718272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> Ix((KS)x)(KKx) -> x((KS)x)(KKx) < 1299718278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(SI(KS))(KK)x -> SI(KS)x(KKx) -> Ix((KS)x)(KKx) -> x((KS)x)(KKx) -> xSK < 1299718282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good enough :-P < 1299718291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Writing a Lazy K implementation; having Iota would be inelegant!) < 1299718361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually I can't really figure out a "clean" way to do Lazy K in Haskell, the "FFI" so-to-speak between the lazy k and the Haskell to generate the list of church numerals seems difficult to do elegantly < 1299718426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't have to express them directly in SKI... < 1299718437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but the point is that I don't want to have to pattern-match or whatever < 1299718439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to write < 1299718445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unchurch f = f (+1) 0 < 1299718447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1+ < 1299718452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1299718469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlist f = f (\x y -> x : unlist y) < 1299718474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can do < 1299718479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map unchurch (unlist p) < 1299718498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose I could do < 1299718511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = Fun (Foo -> Foo) | Int Integer | List [Foo] < 1299718521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the issue with that is that each parameter would have to know how to operate on Ints, etc. < 1299718521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need at least a newtype wrapper... < 1299718525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*each expression < 1299718544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what's the result of S (List []) (Int 4) (List [Int 3])? < 1299718629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something higher-rank... < 1299718659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: define "higher-rank" :P < 1299718663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1299718665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types get in the way there... < 1299718668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299718701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose I could do "data Foo = Fun (Foo -> Foo) | YouCan'tApplyThatLol Foo Foo | ValueThings" where the middle one is generated when trying to apply non-functions < 1299718704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems awfully hacky < 1299718786 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299718837 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299719086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wanna elaborate on that higher-rank remar? :P < 1299719087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*remark < 1299719109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1299719132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that actually would help < 1299719162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is there is nothing in the type of a combinator that tells whether it actually _should_ be usable as a number < 1299719173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I think the key in < 1299719176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unchurch f = f (+1) 0 < 1299719177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlist f = f (\x y -> x : unlist y) < 1299719181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you _never_ apply them to anything else < 1299719188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all you need is something like < 1299719194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or wait < 1299719197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into 1+1+1+1+0 < 1299719209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299719211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you have no way to know whether you pass it an f that would try to apply (+1) to S, or something < 1299719215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1299719227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just error out when applying an int or whatever... I _think_ < 1299719235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Dynamic? < 1299719240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact I think that's what a Scheme implementation would do < 1299719246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(representing them as pure lambdas < 1299719251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((f 1+) 0) < 1299719255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> if it applies the 0, fail < 1299719259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> if it applies the 1+ to a function, fail < 1299719268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299719272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be nice if _everything_ could evaluate without error < 1299719278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could just infiniloop, but that's chetaing) < 1299719280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cheating) < 1299719289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because from an LC point of view, you can treat a piece of data as anything you want < 1299719290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it "works" < 1299719293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions all have infinite arguments :) < 1299719312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw your swattage is required: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FireFly/Enterbrainfuck&action=history < 1299719322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed < 1299719370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, jwz moved off livejournal < 1299719438 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299719439 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299719439 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299719886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299719888 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-170-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299720630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if implementing the underlying @ objects on top of an existing system would be useful for prototyping the higher-level materials before porting the lower-level ones to x86-64. < 1299720876 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-7-105.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299721205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299721289 0 :augur!~augur@96.231.217.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299721305 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1299721316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I HIRE YOU TO WORK ON @. < 1299721321 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299721432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: RESPOND < 1299721674 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-19.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299721692 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299721693 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299722087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Psht. < 1299722436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pShit? < 1299722906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you say RTK2 was any good or not? ...or was it the kana volume that's no good < 1299722916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, RTK2 looks Chinese-focused. < 1299723537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299723542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is "call [di]" actually ok? < 1299723548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. di contains the address of a subroutine to call < 1299723661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call or di < 1299723688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: f u < 1299723762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299723765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably set up a stack before trying to call < 1299723767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's working anyway < 1299723768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1299723986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RTK2 is the reading volume, and it's not really worth it. < 1299724003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What would you suggest as a substitute? < 1299724021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm intending to buy RTK1 and 3 (together to help shipping costs) at least. < 1299724050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about/overview-page < 1299724061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOUR DEFLECTION IS SO DEFLECTY, MY FRIEND. < 1299724077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Learn to read aloud 10,000 gramatically correct, native-like Japanese sentences/phrases (confession: I only learned ~7500 in the 18-month period, but you are better than me). < 1299724081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299724094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. That'll do it. < 1299724114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeeees... but that doesn't exactly help. < 1299724127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To learn Japanese, learn Japanese." "Okay, how?" "By taking actions such that you will learn Japanese." < 1299724143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a very zz038 thing < 1299724146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 even < 1299724175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THE ISSUE HERE. < 1299724275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suggest you simply straight-up start learning Japanese after RTK1, rather than brute-forcing vague rules for how to remember one of the readings for the kanji. < 1299724290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll get the readings without much work, trust me. < 1299724310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Staring at a bunch of kanji won't magically impart upon me the ability to read them, unless I either have a defective definition of "read", or the human brain has magical powers. < 1299724386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Define "read", maybe I'm misunderstanding. < 1299724452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Basically, I am suggesting you do as Khatzumoto did: pick a sentence. Learn how to read it. Learn enough to understand it. Be sure to be able to write it. Stick it in your SRS. Repeat. < 1299724491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Stick it in your SRS" -- this requires the ability to type Japanese text on the computer, which AFAIK involves knowing the readings; do you propose I pick characters out from a map? < 1299724525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: First, after *not very long* you will know *a* reading for most of the kanji. Second, http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/ < 1299724540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Third, have a text file containing Heisig keywords & kanji. < 1299724553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fourth, there's some site that lets you draw a kanji and it'll try to OCR it. < 1299724585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fifth, if it's on the web you can copy-paste. Sixth, dude step two is "learn how to read it". < 1299724621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (1) By what logic? Like I said, *I am not going to learn readings just by staring at kanji*. (2) Yes, a friend pointed me to this; it looks quite nice, but I wouldn't want to write out an entire sentence like that. (3) That sounds nice; wonder if there are any available to download, since I'm lazy. (4) Fair enough; still sounds tedious, though. (5) True. (6) How -- magic? I'm asking for *resources* here. < 1299724643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You look them up. < 1299724648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're answering "so how should I learn the readings?" with "Loop: learn a reading. Repeat." which is not helpful. < 1299724668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: You look them up. ;; Where? jisho.org? < 1299724675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, sure. < 1299724689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, RTK2-ing things is not going to help you much. < 1299724692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Among other things" -- I'm explicitly asking for resources here. < 1299724710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jisho.org is the one I usually use. < 1299724724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E6%9B%B8 ;; picking at random, the "Readings" section here does not include a Japanese entry. Am I looking in the wrong place, or does this kanji not have a reading or something? (I literally picked at random.) < 1299724734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And have, of course, very little idea what I am talking about. < 1299724735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1299724736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.) < 1299724746 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs at Weebls-stuff's Owls song < 1299724754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are the Chinese readings the relevant ones? < 1299724759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look at "Japanese kun" and "Japanese on". < 1299724764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299724781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Need I learn both, or is one vastly more useful than the other? < 1299724788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking from an SRS POV. < 1299724798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will *undoubtedly* learn both. < 1299724828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kun readings are used primarily for words of native Japanese origin, and on primarily for Chinese origin words. < 1299724834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both are *extremely* common. < 1299724838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy. < 1299724848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RTK2 only covers the on readings. < 1299724863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, only *one* on reading per character; some have multiple. < 1299724867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So is there a pre-available text file of Heisig's readings and the kanji? Entering that sounds like a bitch because of the aforementioned can't-fucking-type-it problem. < 1299724885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme find a nice one for you. < 1299724887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are IMEs based on the kun or the on? Please forgive my stupid questions. < 1299724914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMEs are based on whichever reading is appropriate in context. < 1299724929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now would be a bad time to mention that I fucking hate context. < 1299724930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just type in how it would actually be said, and it figures it out. < 1299724943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have a trouble committing to any long-term endeavour unless I know all the steps beforehand. :p < 1299725047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/data/Heisig_complete_v3.rtf Annoyingly, it's RTF. < 1299725098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But includes the keywords, stories when available, and relevant kun readings. < 1299725165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for learning how things work based on context: the human brain is magic. < 1299725250 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: holy shit, that's all the characters and stories? < 1299725263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299725269 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote the additional ones? < 1299725274 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only includes the first 500 or so? < 1299725293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RTK Yahoo! group. < 1299725300 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299725315 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the license on that? and are the first 500 or so stories heisig's or theirs? < 1299725321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown license. < 1299725326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTF? Euurgh. < 1299725327 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1299725341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, all it needs is " ". < 1299725343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably find another one containing the same info, buut that's the first one I found, and it seems decent. < 1299725361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yay, it's in a retarded format so I'll have to convert it specially to get something greppable. < 1299725409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wouldn't it be far more effective to have a file with _just_ the mnemonics without the flavour text, so that one can grep the memorised mnemonics to get the kanji...? >_< < 1299725410 0 :augur!~augur@96.231.227.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299725454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably? < 1299725480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just thinking that there's no computerised way to go from list of mnemonics --> kanji character. < 1299725482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you could tell Anki to export a CSV containing just the kanji & mnemonics values from the RTK deck you have. < 1299725490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1299725498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if those post-500 stories were included in the book, too. :p < 1299725730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299725823 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299725867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So in summary, all I need to buy is RTK1&3 and if I'm feeling TOTALLY EXTRAVAGANT, RTKana. < 1299725878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: RTK3 isn't even all that necessary. < 1299725888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. < 1299725895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but I might be able to save on shipping costs if I buy both together, and I might as well get it. < 1299725905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It occurs to me that I have a trouble committing to any long-term endeavour unless I know all the steps beforehand. :p <-- well you're not alone :) < 1299725920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'll probably be making extensive use of BitTorrent. < 1299725925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, oerjan refused to be born until the whole process was explained to him < 1299725932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so after I get my Ph.D., what then?" < 1299725934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh..." < 1299725937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know what, fuck you, you're going in." < 1299725947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that's why oerjan is spending his days in here! < 1299725952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prepares for extreme swattage. < 1299725957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swattage of a kind never seen before. < 1299725981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: STOP STARING AT ME IT'S WORSE THAN SWATTING. < 1299725989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BAN HIM IF HE DOESN'T STOP STARING AT ME < 1299726041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly oerjan's connection has died. < 1299726067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH < 1299726075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: took you a while to type that < 1299726093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in the backscroll < 1299726093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see the rest of us did it the smart way, we just asked for the instruction manual. < 1299726171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :87E55BFF3787E5C3 < 1299726176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "87E55BFF3787E5C3" `div` 2 < 1299726177 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1299726182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bytes for @. not bad. < 1299726302 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299726311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so about five bytes of overhead < 1299726387 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299726459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick! what do I call >r and r> if I have no > :P < 1299726468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do to_r but that's boring < 1299726504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, tor and fromr are good enough < 1299726666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably implement integer literals at some point < 1299726718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, one other source for readings. < 1299726736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Material intended for children and/or learners of Japanese has furigana. < 1299726751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furigana looks TOTES BORING though. < 1299726757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(furigana, BTW, is where the reading of kanji is written beside or above the kanji, depending on writing orientation) < 1299726766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're >r and r>? < 1299726783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what furigana is. < 1299726788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1299726819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Japan, by law, newspapers using kanji outside the jōyō kanji list must annotate them with furigana." < 1299726829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Japan just trying to make things really easy for foreigners or something? < 1299726858 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299726899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That practice started before Japan had a high level of literacy in the population. < 1299726904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hiragana are sometimes used to write words which would normally written with katakana to make them appear more "feminine", particularly in comic books and cartoons for young girls." --omniglot.com < 1299726911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's the stupidest idea I've ever heard right there. < 1299726925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wrong, anyways. < 1299726943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing in all-hiragana just seems a bit childish. < 1299726957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, well, how many kanji do kids know, anyways? < 1299726974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :348957938457348957983457834975983457 < 1299727029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299727048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT'S A FACTUAL FIGURE. < 1299727191 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299727202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Often the speed advantage of C/C++ (as well as the relative portability) out-weighs the use of other languages." < 1299727202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1299727210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish this myth of speed would die. < 1299727213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forever. < 1299727250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: JOIN ME IN PURGING THE WORLD OF MYTHOLOGY. < 1299727307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, myth of "speed" being so important, or is C/C++ not relatively fast for similar straightforward code? Can you please explain the latter? (I grok the former) < 1299727422 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299727886 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299727898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The myths w.r.t. speed have a lot more to do with slowness of other language than speed of C. < 1299727956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except that other languages *aren't* slow; other languages are *slower*. < 1299727964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ignoring Ruby and the like, which really are just slow.) < 1299727971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. And? < 1299727985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, so it's not valid. < 1299728011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Especially considering that in any "modern" OS, a program's time is spent in something like 100% syscalls (rounding up from 99.9%) < 1299728020 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299728022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, why @ has syscall inlining. :p < 1299728025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the program, but yeah, that's true, and people don't realize that :P < 1299728038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE JOYS OF RUNNING EVERYTHING IN RING 0 < 1299728113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL ACCEPTING LIBC.SO DONATIONS < 1299728194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, have you received any donations? < 1299728199 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One! < 1299728225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you count self-donations in that? < 1299728229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299728236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-donations aren't donations. < 1299728299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPERT RESEARCHERS HAVE DISCOVERED THE ONE THING THAT WILL RESURRECT THE ADVICE ANIMALS MEME'S FUNNINESS. < 1299728308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advice Wolfram. < 1299728310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've invented a completely revolutionary form of breakfast technology < 1299728310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it 'toast' < 1299728338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE! MORE! < 1299728374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: extra points if you manage to get the real wolfram to sue < 1299728386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I took a dump today and it was shaped like a möbius strip < 1299728387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Shit" < 1299728392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THIS HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL. < 1299728398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1876, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone < 1299728398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why I'm a genius" < 1299728427 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299728532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's the simplest universal Turing machine < 1299728532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovered by the most advanced intellect on the planet" < 1299728687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Matthew Cook? < 1299728687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of him." < 1299728877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADVICE BERTRAND RUSSELL: < 1299728883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, hi, Reverend! Want a cup of tea? < 1299728883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1299728883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go get my spaceship" < 1299729010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmhmm, in a perl -ne '...' a b c invocation, is there a way to get at the current filename? < 1299729239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ARGV < 1299729251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't that just give the first filename? < 1299729254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they actually popped off? < 1299729258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oerjan knows perl? :) < 1299729266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ARGV contains the name of the current file when reading from <>. < 1299729272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to do man perlvar < 1299729280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNAPPY SNAPPY < 1299729374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1299729390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, if you're so smart, how do I print a variable quoted (i.e. with " escaped) >:) < 1299729435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches to man perlfunc < 1299729462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kids and your fancy manpages. < 1299729465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in my day, we just asked oerjan. < 1299729517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "\Q$VAR"; possibly < 1299729541 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299729543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\Q$VAR\E for longer things, it seems < 1299729544 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299729553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to escape an awful lot, though :) < 1299729558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be intended for regexps < 1299729577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even escapes spaces X_X < 1299729644 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299729665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 195M 2011-03-10 04:41 esoteric.pl < 1299729668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let the extension fool you < 1299729670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Prolog. < 1299729676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to feed it into gprolog and hope it doesn't die. < 1299729685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error! < 1299729690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \Q is way too overzealous :P < 1299729821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it just uses perl's simple backslashing rule < 1299729980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WELL MAYBE I DON'T WANT A SIMPLE RULE < 1299729982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE I WANT A CLEVER RULE < 1299729998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write a substitution. i hear perl is good for that. < 1299730083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your snarkiness is unmatched, bro. < 1299730085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unmatched. < 1299730124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bronmatched. < 1299730132 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299730145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unmatched '. < 1299730159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bro. < 1299730207 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299730249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tomorrow I'll buy RTK1&3, I think. < 1299730301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DONATE TO DA LIBC.SO FUND DOIT < 1299730351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ARE THE VALID STRING ESCAPES IN PROLOG BITCHES < 1299730357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT I BITCHINGLY ASK YOU < 1299730360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCH < 1299730518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not always true that a program spends 100% of its time in syscalls. < 1299730526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just true for some 99% of the programs people care about. < 1299730535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Rounding up, 100%. < 1299730541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% of programs spend 100% of their time in syscalls. < 1299730548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 100% of the time spent in syscalls is spent waiting for IO. < 1299730606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world of computing is waiting for the new supercomputer optimized for waiting < 1299730648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299730796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, all i want to do is query #esoteric with prolog :) < 1299730933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, gwern used to be in here < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:42:32 ah < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:42:39 there's an O(n) one for base-16 isn't there? < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:44:12 No, from what I understand O(n^2) is the best one. < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:44:21 (for finding arbitrary digits) < 1299731111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the digits of pi) < 1299731112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1299731119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i misinterpreting this or was 2009-pikhq MISINFORMED < 1299731155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1299731156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:32:36 * pikhq wishes that getting a digit of pi were a function of the previous digits < 1299731156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1299731159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a function of the position :P < 1299731169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was *really* stupid. < 1299731172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean damn. < 1299731179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. You were pretty much the WORST! < 1299731180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1299731205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well blaim it on his youth < 1299731208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blame < 1299731234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blames his spelling on senile old age < 1299731236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think pikhq was like 24 < 1299731238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he was all like < 1299731239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey gus < 1299731241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guys < 1299731246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 20 now!!!! < 1299731247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like < 1299731248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1299731266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Gregor was older than i expected, at 30 < 1299731425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error < 1299731426 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *E... < 1299731431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (show . error) < 1299731435 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1299731436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (error . show) < 1299731439 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex... < 1299731445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oerjan: wut < 1299731450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299731459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time show has ever REMOVED a quote :) < 1299731497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee that probably defaults to () inside... < 1299731505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1299731520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show . error is obviously a string < 1299731526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> String < 1299731532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: show . error just time limits, though < 1299731539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fix error) afaict should not output " < 1299731543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm just wondering why < 1299731546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless error's return value is defaulting to string < 1299731547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird < 1299731550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error :: () < 1299731550 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `()' < 1299731551 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[GHC.Types... < 1299731555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t error < 1299731555 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [Char] -> a < 1299731557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299731558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course < 1299731561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think lambdabot does something special with errors < 1299731561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error is casted to a -> a < 1299731563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== String -> String < 1299731567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fix is (a -> a) -> a < 1299731570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result is a String < 1299731572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes to show the string < 1299731573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299731575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluates what's inside < 1299731577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAM INFINITE ERRORS < 1299731583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no? < 1299731584 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299731615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yeah < 1299731633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1299731634 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299731635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299731644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ab" ++ error "hm" < 1299731646 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ab*Exception: hm < 1299733059 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299733098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gaaah*, US immigration. < 1299733106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a quota of 700,000 per year. Total. < 1299733117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50,000 of that is divided out in a lottery. Literally a lottery. < 1299733167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40,000 is for people with advanced degrees. < 1299733248 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1299733403 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299733498 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299733867 0 :wth!~tianhou@2001:250:4001:302:223:8bff:fe54:5b7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1299734073 0 :wth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299734808 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299734987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last 6 nights, i have had a dream containing exactly one person i know, in all cases they have done something that is just slightly not characteristic to them < 1299735248 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1299735270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does elliott want to learn japanese? that sounds crazy < 1299735612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Quite honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he keeps it up for a week. < 1299735775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i find the wanting interesting < 1299735987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't manually start obsessions in his age either, or at least the skill started developing thereabouts < 1299736313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 700,000 very little? you have what 500 million people or what? < 1299736372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a webpage where you could look this stuff up < 1299736479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :700,000 is freaking tiny. < 1299736509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have 308 million people. < 1299736514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299736539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they don't want to ruin your pure american blood < 1299736549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even worse when you consider that a *gigantic* chunk of those you basically get for luck. < 1299736566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest way to immigrate, though, is to marry an American. < 1299736575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You immediately get permanent residency. < 1299736581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this *waiting 10 years* bullshit. < 1299736585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they organize temporary weddingings for this stuff < 1299736594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens sometimes. < 1299736608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you divorce < 1299736642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have the green card; you're not freaking losing it. < 1299736651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1299736753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's this girl in the graph theory course, she told us she knows how to solve the discrete logarithm problem: "instead of logarithms, you take the integrals. then, you take the discrete version instead, because that's easier to think about. now, the crucial thing is that they come from the other dimensions, and you can call them in *every point*." "erm, call what?" "well... umm... all of them! and then the you take the ring, and they keep circlin < 1299736768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately, it seems easier to immigrate to Japan than the US. And Japan has an *infamously* difficult immigration system. < 1299736788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then person x asked what the discrete logarithm is, and i explained, and the girl was like "oh that's what it is? lol, i was solving a much harder problem" < 1299736805 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299736810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299736852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "girl" is actually like 40 but anyway < 1299736878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Japan has: no quotas. No "temporary worker" visas. No waiting lists. 5 years after being in the country and you can apply for citizenship. Permanent residency is an absurd bitch, though) < 1299736893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, permanent residency is harder than citizenship) < 1299736954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know how things work in finland either < 1299736961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have little to compare with < 1299736966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume we do things in a relatively sane way < 1299736974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're one of the normal countries < 1299737005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BORING countries :(((((((((((( < 1299737026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never even seen a massacre < 1299737064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure on how the visas work, but citizenship seems relatively sane. < 1299737089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, visas only relevant for non-Schengen. < 1299737105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa is awesome though, we had this researcher from allah country x, and he could never get to the conferences in usa because of that < 1299737150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he wrote INFIDELS MUST DIE in the application paper, dunno < 1299737332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At worst, you could immigrate to Finland by immigrating to the easiest EU country to immigrate to, get citizenship, and move. < 1299737353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, cheating. < 1299737425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299737542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, seems that to immigrate to Finland you need to just have family there, intend to study there, or intend to work there. < 1299737560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, you get a residence permit. < 1299737571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be there for 6 years, and you can get citizenship. Voila. < 1299737609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't we NAIVE. < 1299737710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you need to know one of Finnish, Swedish, or Finnish sign language to become a citizen. < 1299737754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. Entirely sane and manageable. < 1299737823 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299737834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish is essentially english, and finnish is essentially estonian < 1299737869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep schedule upside-down. < 1299737871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All-nightering. < 1299737875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is pleasant surprise, hello. < 1299737919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1299737923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:15:46 and does elliott want to learn japanese? that sounds crazy < 1299737924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:21:29 oklopol: Quite honestly, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he keeps it up for a week. < 1299737945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've been sleeping 7pm-3am lately < 1299737945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's menial busywork, it's not like projects where I can architecture myself way out of space and then realise it'll be an unholy bitch to do < 1299737959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, that's the worst. well 8pm-4am is the absolute worst, IMHO < 1299737965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i luv it < 1299737966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'm on 6 am - 4 pm, basically < 1299737969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wrecking me < 1299737976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've done a lot of that stuff < 1299738001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pmtoam is new to me, and it seems to work better than a normal sleep schedule < 1299738014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: midday/1pm wakeup is ideal imho < 1299738026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice warm afternoon wakeup, late sleepytime < 1299738170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see i love being at the university, alone in the darkness < 1299738203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i like nighttime, but when i don't get much daytime at all when i wake up it fucks me up a bit < 1299738206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying < 1299738214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True, it will be much easier for you to estabilish inertia. < 1299738228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"estbailish" < 1299738232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm allowed to typo < 1299738233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tired < 1299738234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not < 1299738236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good retort man < 1299738241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fuckin a < 1299738246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation is too hard :)) < 1299738251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna sleep already, this is not goodgoing < 1299738253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott: you suck" "pikhq: haha typo" < 1299738259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1299738261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299738261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299738263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1299738266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it < 1299738268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone insult me < 1299738269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were like what you prefix your things with < 1299738272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone insult me < 1299738279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are a fucking idiot < 1299738283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: typo < 1299738286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sleep deprived and should be going to bed right now. I'm tired. < 1299738288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol can't you see it < 1299738292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But COMPUTER < 1299738296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha join the club it's the best club *hi5* < 1299738296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME ADDICT < 1299738302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i woke up at 4 pm, it's now 7 am < 1299738304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about you < 1299738314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... I am not worthy < 1299738321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been cutting sleep short an hour or two the past week. < 1299738334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to sleep at 23 and woke up at 8 < 1299738335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing near as crazy as that, because I have class. < 1299738351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what classes?!? < 1299738354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why's it sound crazy though, legit interested < 1299738361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me wanting to learn moonspeak) < 1299738372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dunno, just kinda random < 1299738374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Linear algebra, differential equations, logic, and current political issues. < 1299738377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd want to learn japanese < 1299738391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah the four classics < 1299738394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oklopol < 1299738399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took those on my first year < 1299738416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 皆!皆が日本語を勉強したいぜっ! < 1299738434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i want to learn japanese because i already know some of it, originally i just wanted to learn *a* language < 1299738453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's agglutinative, doesn't have a boring latin-derivative alphabet, and, I dunno < 1299738458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: all! all will japanese want to learn ze < 1299738464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other contestant was Finnish. but your alphabet is boring. < 1299738474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Everyone! Everyone wants to learn Japanese! < 1299738474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if your agglutinativity is better i guess. whatev. < 1299738478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1299738479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet that looks much less like moonspeak to you now. < 1299738487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've translated it better if i'd known i'd know all the kanji < 1299738494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it looks exactly like moonspeak. i didn't continue with the sampler < 1299738494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Lame. :P < 1299738501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Baaah. < 1299738505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i can see that they're theoretically made out of multiple bits at least :D < 1299738539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no lame < 1299738589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all kanji, is minna one of its readings? < 1299738595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the one used there < 1299738600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but ehh, with finnish i'd have to like get down to the business of actually learning the shits quickly < 1299738607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1299738612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no funky alphabet < 1299738619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: with japanese I can trick myself into thinking it's easy enough to continue because I have to learn all dem kanjae first < 1299738629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't take you that long < 1299738630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is trivial but time-consuming. < 1299738653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rtk1&3 is ~3 months i think < 1299738657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which == 3 oklopol hours < 1299738693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have spent quite a lot more than 3 hours on the kanji :D < 1299738704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least hmmhmm 50 hours maybe < 1299738706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1299738706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: underachiever < 1299738707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less < 1299738711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyhows < 1299738722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty too. although finnish is also pretty < 1299738726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still don't know that many < 1299738739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, "kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen", who can ever understand words like that, finnish is too hard < 1299738746 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299738760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totta tm. < 1299738778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just add a few more vowels, it could almost pass for Japanese. :P < 1299738789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: i invented that word. < 1299738790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1299738794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with MINIMAL aid from oklopol. < 1299738808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:50:10 At worst, you could immigrate to Finland by immigrating to the easiest EU country to immigrate to, get citizenship, and move. < 1299738809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "emigrate" more correct here < 1299738820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kakusikyammentanerujatsunchiaikakaushitamanhettakinen. < 1299738823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bah. < 1299738829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what does that mean, doorknob testtube? < 1299738836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: neruya < 1299738843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not neruja < 1299738845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's Japanese-sounding gibberish. < 1299738856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aka "Japanese" < 1299738871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Coming from an actual Japanese speaker. < 1299738878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called a j03333k < 1299738881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a joek < 1299738883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a tortoise < 1299738893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's tortoises all the way down. < 1299738902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, what's the square root of two? < 1299738995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 1.4something < 1299738997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my dream (one of many) to sneak up on pikhq one day and start speaking to him in fluent japanese < 1299739002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wanna go to japan on anything < 1299739004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pikhq < 1299739008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1299739020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's do it TOGETHER < 1299739022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1299739023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, yes < 1299739027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's get on a flight to japan pikhq is taking < 1299739029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go up to him < 1299739030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak fluent japanese < 1299739032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off the flight < 1299739036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then immediately get a return flight < 1299739048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, now he knows < 1299739048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1299739055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any vodka, need to make him forget :/ < 1299739055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW NOTHING < 1299739076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THIS 42 GALLONS OF EVERCLEAR < 1299739093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the slight glitch in the plan that he probably won't share his whereabouts that easily < 1299739105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i knew where you people lived, i'd have come visit many times already < 1299739120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Uh, I have. Several times. < 1299739124 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299739140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i have not paid attention i suppose < 1299739156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow usa is kind of different because i don't really know a cheapish way there < 1299739160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in colorado springs... in the past < 1299739168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And present. < 1299739179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299739181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you moved < 1299739181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just outside of Colorado Springs. < 1299739184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah supposedly it came up in the "hey we're fucking each others' neighbors" thingie < 1299739184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that just into the clitty < 1299739186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :city < 1299739190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. Back to Colorado Springs. < 1299739190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1299739195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember who the other guy was < 1299739195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Missouri. < 1299739198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: where were you before that, buttfuck colorado? < 1299739198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pikhq and someone else < 1299739199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299739203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missouri = buttfuck colorado < 1299739216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to yawn < 1299739216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Wuh? < 1299739217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i yawn oklopol? < 1299739219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it safe? < 1299739224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299739228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice and safe < 1299739231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Missouri is 12 hours of driving from here. < 1299739232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made me yawn. < 1299739235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yawnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1299739241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: buttfuck coloradozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1299739245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: didn't you and someone else here notice you were each others' neighbors < 1299739251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're oklopol, you're meant to be immune to the yawn STD < 1299739252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299739254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only like 50 miles between < 1299739256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Uh, no? < 1299739260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299739261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood < 1299739262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299739264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? :P < 1299739266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't he in colorado sploots < 1299739267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol < 1299739268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 50 miles between? Right, bsmntbombdood. < 1299739270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1299739273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1299739273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remembered right < 1299739275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im genius < 1299739277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt even there < 1299739280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was in, like, Boulder, wasn't he? < 1299739281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i picked that up by logreading < 1299739282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299739282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299739283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1299739283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299739291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol, what's your full address < 1299739298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not giving it here < 1299739306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but i wanna get on a plane today ......... < 1299739314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a spa called caribia pretty close tho < 1299739319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: GIVE IT IN /MSG < 1299739324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you've told me before < 1299739327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really just jigging my memory. < 1299739343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The distance from here to Missouri is longer than the distance from the southernmost point of the UK to the northernmost point. Now shaddup about Missouri being buttfuck Colorado. < 1299739356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its like the nether in minecraft, the distances in the usa are just multiplied < 1299739357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is bigger < 1299739359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just scale it down < 1299739391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would give the US positively ridiculous population density. < 1299739403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's hardly the most ridiculous part of the USA :) < 1299739439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,264 people per km² is what it would come down to. < 1299739484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of what it actually is, 33 km². < 1299739491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a density! < 1299739495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot a people and a slash < 1299739500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1299739502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1299739511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott owns at debating atm < 1299739515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299739519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seeing the inner structure of arguments < 1299739525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out, mostly the inner structure is just trivial bullshit. < 1299739528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do what i can < 1299739567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay time to go, we have this great thingie on automata and number theory < 1299739892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1299739895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you know about x86 < 1299739911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299739918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299739932 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-255-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299740590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf @ rword... < 1299740779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 00:58:01 as for your code, i cannot read intel assembler. < 1299740790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There aren't enough sigils, and the operand order is too logical. < 1299740813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm not burdened by having to spell out the obvious operand sizes in every instruction name. < 1299741351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq pikhq pikhq. how much x86 know you < 1299741393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5230043/computational-cost-of-applicative-style < 1299741395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLICATIVE STYLE < 1299741396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT SLOW < 1299742528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299742538 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299742770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299743283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: talking to ams is like a ticking timebomb < 1299743288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just waiting for him to get annoyed at something i say < 1299743290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or realise he ignored me once < 1299743381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, we named the OS GNU, please call it that when refering to GNU. < 1299743458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which OS is this? < 1299743462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Linux. < 1299743465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ams is a major GNU zealot. < 1299743494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm busy trying to blow his mind by mentioning that Kitten has (will have, would have) almost no GNU software. < 1299743497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name like that (edit distance of 1 from rms) he'd sort of have to be. < 1299743503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I will blow his mind right with me on to his ignore list. < 1299743509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's a "well-known" IRC malcontent/troll. < 1299743522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very much in the "scene". < 1299743527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should join more channels some day. < 1299743563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This is hilarious: he's arguing that GNU have naming rights to a system with almost no GNU software, just because they were, you know, there at the right place at the right time. < 1299743574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we named the OS GNU", honestly, what a god complex. < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : besides, Linus holds the trademark to Linux, not GNU nor ~rms < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: and? < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: people saying lies can always say lies. < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: we hold a trademark on GNU btw. < 1299743586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299743618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard part here is keeping up this schtick long enough to irritate him without annoying him so much outright that he just concludes I'm a troll. < 1299743647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU coding standard quotation of the day: < 1299743648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don’t use “win” as an abbreviation for Microsoft Windows in GNU software or documentation. In hacker terminology, calling something a “win” is a form of praise. If you wish to praise Microsoft Windows when speaking on your own, by all means do so, but not in GNU software. Usually we write the name “Windows” in full, but when brevity is very important (as in file names and sometimes symbol names), we abbreviate it to “w”. For instance, t < 1299743648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he files and functions in Emacs that deal with Windows start with ‘w32’. < 1299743670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...wow. < 1299743727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: it is also immensly rude to those who wrote the OS to give credit for someone who only did a small work (in the grand scheme of things) < 1299743736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ego. < 1299743737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so immense. < 1299743748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think I understand now. < 1299743761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He maintains GNU inetutils, implementations of ping etc. that absolutely no distro uses. < 1299743769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> HULK SMASH RUDE GNU HATERS < 1299743769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must start calling it Linux/GNU/God. Because, you know, the grand scheme of things. < 1299743789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in the other order, maybe. < 1299743797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you like... put that in the ChanServ welcome message? < 1299743822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel we can never quote it enough. < 1299743826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be Electricity/GNU/Linux < 1299743828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299743831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Started to copy fizzie's troll.) < 1299743835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people actually say and write GNU/Linux these days anyway. < 1299743861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Linux&word2=GNU%2FLinux < 1299743881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can't link that to him, it requires Flash, which is a tool of the evil empire < 1299743883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*empire. < 1299743909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ams> elliott: you would be correct if you go back a few years, then it was more common to refer to GNU/Linux incorrecly as Linux. < 1299743911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but these days the opposite it true, which is good < 1299743915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and you can help us clear up the mess < 1299743934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, he's explained it. < 1299743934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: elliott: google will filter out the slash < 1299743937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But of course. < 1299743944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S why. < 1299743999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299744000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299744009 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299744055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it sort-of does, which is why searching for "GNU/Linux" also hits some pages that just say "GNU Linux" in addition to the ones that say "GNU/Linux". < 1299744067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ams "we" do not hold, FSF holds on our behalf, but I object to tacit procuration; who (as in the People) appointed FSF holder of anything; it's people who delegate by contract to FSF to hold their surrendered rights, and thus lose those rights. what is mine is no longer mine when i transfer rights to another. < 1299744067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299744076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#forth, it has the crazy. < 1299744090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds almost as topical as this channel. < 1299744114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: that makes absolutley no sense, and you are spouting lies. < 1299744118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiots arguing with idiots. < 1299744178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's sprouting lilies. < 1299744238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: i can saftley say we seeing i've been part of the GNU project for some odd 20+ years < 1299744238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: even before we applied for TM of GNU. < 1299744240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had GNU on vinyl. < 1299744272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : linux didnt exist before '93; i started using Linux in '94. < 1299744273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 91. < 1299744273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: more lies. < 1299744273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you started using gnu in 94. < 1299744278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD THE NOISE. < 1299744286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fizzie, what operating system are you running? < 1299744314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running the GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/Lie-nux, because I want to GIVE RESPECT to the MAN. < 1299744326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WRONG. You're running UNIVERSE. < 1299744330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the most important contributor in the scheme of things. < 1299744332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: LIES. < 1299744352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trademarkia.com/gnu-76627381.html ← must be the trademark he's talking about. < 1299744362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quick, what's the -ology of naming? < 1299744367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chronological = ology of time. < 1299744372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names, nomenclature, etc. < 1299744463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL < 1299744506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: what happened in 92 or whatever, was that a bunch of people took a basic GNU system, and ported it to work with the Linux kernel. < 1299744512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you think this guy actually believes what he's saying? < 1299744554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the quotes I've seen, he does sound like a True Believer. < 1299744598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he maintains his blog as an info page... yeah, must be truly insane < 1299744732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if we are refering to the same tunes... < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ams: Faré tunes, tunes.org TUNES? Expediency and whatnot? < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dead as a thing that is quite thoroughly dead? < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: TUNES is a Useful, Not Expedient, System? < 1299744733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, yes. < 1299744738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think he uses the rms Web Browser. < 1299744742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. another machine running a mail daemon and wget. < 1299744937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMve understood one point of that is to reduce distractions; spending time arguing in IRC sounds rather defeatingous then. < 1299744945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/M/'/ < 1299744991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It distracts from vital Toe-Picking-and-Eating time < 1299744993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time. < 1299744995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All GNU higher-ups do it. < 1299745022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Provided without context: can i be your first groupie? < 1299745141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, but I must quote something more. < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "When will TUNES be done?" < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : prolly something like that ;-) < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : like Hurd, never < 1299745142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: the Hurd has had three releases. < 1299745155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the Head Zealot could with a straight face defend the Hurd as not being vapourware. < 1299745204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 - year of Hurd on Desktop? < 1299745243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, GNU/Hurd. < 1299745291 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299745302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299745305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299745310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299745310 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299745868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, < 1299745894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hmm. < 1299745912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any PEG parsers that automatically rewrite left-recursive rules as not? < 1299745932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, apparently ometa actually supports direct left recursion... < 1299745936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not linear time complexity but < 1299745945 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1299746531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Forth's simplicity in comparison is a testament to that. < 1299746531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : testement < 1299746531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 [e] < 1299746532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1299747508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forms: Also ME testement, ME–15 testment." < 1299747519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ME in this context being Middle English.) < 1299747534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299747649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh and learm more about fpga's < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the Reduceron is implemented on an FPGA :) < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kool < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's basically purely-functional symbolic hardware < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice < 1299747650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn, i need to write (;code) < 1299747654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: may i recommend learning english first. < 1299747656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i find it quite sad that computer programmers often tend to have immensly bad grammar, and vocabulary usage. we who are so precise in communicating with computers can't even use a stupid spoken language properly.. < 1299747659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A zealot *and* a jerk. < 1299747877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Chuck Moore doesn't respond to emails: "I won't respond to these emails, except on future postings. 'Cause I don't know who you are, and the the web is full of predators." < 1299747882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chuck Moore -- secretly a child. < 1299748541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The guy is IRCing from a vt320. < 1299748544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am not, in fact, kidding. < 1299748596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not a bad terminal. < 1299748624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does *he* run, anyway? GNU/Linux too? < 1299748629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *GNU < 1299748630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU GNU GNU < 1299748631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNUUUUU < 1299748634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he runs da HURD. < 1299748640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect that it is perhaps the only display device he has anywhere near him; he said I would have to convert to a Tektronics vector image to see it. < 1299748653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (I was trying to paste a particularly complicated kanji to make a point about vocabulary, but obviously he can't see that.) < 1299748662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to use the GIMP to make a nice big png of it.) < 1299748694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe gNewSense? < 1299748761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: UNFORTUNATELY it seems he has taken it upon himself to learn something about 99% of the languages on earth, so he knew "asztal" when I tried that at first. (Thanks to #esoteric for teaching me the single word of Hungarian I know.) < 1299748767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man is a lunatic. < 1299748777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Previously he put me on /ignore for quoting a revised C99 specification when he asked a question about C99. < 1299748783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said I was a liar because C99 didn't come out in 2007. < 1299748802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY the behaviour of free(NULL) changed since 1999. < 1299748860 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299748977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it must be so that it was the same (do no action) in C89 and in your (I guess it's the "adds the three Technical Corrigendum revisions" one) draft, but briefly different in C99. < 1299749034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Clearly. < 1299749041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And as a liar, I should be /ignored. < 1299749052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Friendster still exists. < 1299749063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "looks different to how it used to look" still exists. < 1299749099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Over 90% of Friendster's traffic comes from Asia. In Asia, Friendster has more monthly unique visitors than any other social network." < 1299749104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a Thing there. < 1299749138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why it looks... like that... < 1299749139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEM CRAZY AZSHUNS. < 1299749146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "like that". < 1299749156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the homepage thing is randomificatified. < 1299749161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1299749225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU MUST SCREENSHOT < 1299749230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like... a rule... god i'm tired < 1299749232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rarehui < 1299749249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendster ;; uh, nice formatting fail here (Chrome). < 1299749304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/friendster.png is what I got; it's mostly empty thanks to noscript. < 1299749320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey... monstee? < 1299749323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me no so good with spelling. < 1299749333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, err, Friendster is all about games, apparently. < 1299749349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fizzie uses slight, greyscale hinting with err... not Clearlooks Classic... < 1299749352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that GTK theme... < 1299749353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a "social gaming destination". < 1299749360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. < 1299749361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299749366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just the stock Ubuntu one, pre whenever? < 1299749370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whenever = when it was redesignified.) < 1299749402 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299749402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Ubuntu 9.10 at the moment, and I haven't really touched the settings much. < 1299749439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you did change font hinting. < 1299749442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEVER FORGET A FONT. < 1299749558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a mass upgrade to 10.10 scheduled this month, actually. < 1299749567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds exciting. < 1299749578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently 60 TB of new disk space. < 1299749583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1299749585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Veggie oil; it's generated by burning vegetarians. < 1299749586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're cute < 1299749586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lets have sex < 1299749599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299749600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be time for me to exercise _my_ magical /ignore. < 1299749606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, to figure out how on earth to respond to that. < 1299749615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dude, it's GNU, it's all about freeee looove. < 1299749619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's just trying to be friendly. < 1299749633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think this is the first time anything has dumbfounded you enough to warrant an ellipsis on a line of its own. < 1299749669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came out of the proverbial "left field". < 1299749670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will just pretend to be afk. :p < 1299749675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION /away < 1299749703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can we get a, you know, preemptive ban on him in here? :-p < 1299749733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Gregor, he seems to be pre-emptively +o'd and all. (Tut tut, raising the channel temperature like that.) < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05.11.24:06:59:34 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.16:16:40:40 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.21:01:20:05 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.22:09:46:59 ... < 1299749756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08.08.27:12:55:59 ... < 1299749757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09.10.13:08:31:26 ... < 1299749759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.06:11:46:53 ... < 1299749761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.12.17:07:49:31 ... < 1299749763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.02.24:12:56:21 ... < 1299749765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so much for that. < 1299749785 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, respond with "Sorry, I'm /not/ gay." < 1299749787 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, the opposite. < 1299749798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, I'm female. And gay." < 1299749809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And, err, a paedophile." < 1299749816 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too! < 1299749820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is a cunning plot by him to make me shut up. < 1299749822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly working. < 1299749843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, he has a FACEBOOK ACCOUNT; that's not very GNU of him. < 1299749849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god my #forth tab is now red. I am scared to click. < 1299749858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott you is goil? < 1299749859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU IS GOIL < 1299749895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please join #forth and say something totally irrelevant but Forth-related. The madness must end! < 1299749913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : keep it in your pant, ams < 1299749933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 09.10.13 was just "..." in the sense of "what I pasted above goes on"; as was the 10.12.17 instance. But the 10.10.06 one was a "real" one, as a reaction to fungot. < 1299749933 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and here i was going to change < 1299749943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, but you must never change. < 1299749944 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you like? have you considered making an interactive programming language for scientists, mathematicians and engineers that is also the explicit value of the arguement bpb < 1299749956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DUTY. < 1299749957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#FORTH. < 1299749958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :END MADNESS. < 1299749977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:03 fizzie: i am your mother.") for online help, try /msg minion cliki? writing a cv in latex is not hard to do, < 1299749978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:21 ... < 1299749978 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and then we can all be haf. i don't want < 1299749982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot sure does amaze its creator. < 1299749983 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lunarcrisis pasted " fibonacci" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 6949 ( unnamed in fnord < 1299750000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't want to be haf. < 1299750013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wah wah wah neglect social responsibilities < 1299750092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm such an irresponsible guy. < 1299750119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you go around having SEX with RANDOM PEOPLE ON IRC. < 1299750132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irresponsibility, bounds, it knows none of them. < 1299750355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24:03 Quite a lot of names in the nick list compared to the ones that actually appear in the discussion; discuss. < 1299750359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please ban all lurkers. < 1299750372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yiyus and pingveno definitely have to go. < 1299750395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT yiyus has never said a single thing < 1299750402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1299750402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has < 1299750950 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299750963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie, did you actually sleep < 1299751017 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062212.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299752594 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228063101.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299752620 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299753268 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299753366 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133074.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299753375 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1299753572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1299753922 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230231146.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299753990 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299754631 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131165.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299754644 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299754855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The Saga Continues: SunTzu: you are assuming i'm a guy < 1299755228 0 :Guest1055!x@ANantes-259-1-141-60.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299755235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1299755252 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cup is empty and i'm too lazy to make myself another tea < 1299755258 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i will have to eat leaves < 1299755305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ha ha, faux brit < 1299755325 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1299755379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: go write my os for me < 1299755411 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299755415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes < 1299755435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you inspired me to go look at how Hurd's been doing in the previous decade: "From 2004 onward, various efforts were launched to port the Hurd to more modern microkernels. The L4 microkernel was the original choice in 2004, but progress slowed to a halt. -- Since 2005, most of the developers' time has gone into thinking about Coyotos -- but progress was slow. In 2008, Neal Walfield began working on the Viengoos microkernel as an alternative. In April 2009, S < 1299755435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hapiro announced that work on the Coyotos project had ceased. As of 2011, development on Viengoos is paused due to Walfield lacking time to work on it. In the meantime, others have continued working on the Mach variant of Hurd." < 1299755445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it's almost there. < 1299755455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It still doesn't support USB. < 1299755458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not one bit. < 1299755497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, it's the Thunderbolt age now, or so I hear. Maybe they can just skip USB. < 1299755513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've mentally prepared myself to be all old-farty about that. < 1299755527 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299755534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is taking surprisingly little effort. < 1299755536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have that chaining thing. < 1299755542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey fizzie, I'm sure you'll have no problem, being basically 40. < 1299755543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A single Thunderbolt port supports hubs as well as a daisy chain of up to seven Thunderbolt devices; up to two of these devices may be high-resolution displays using DisplayPort." < 1299755546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost like SCSI. < 1299755550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* < 1299755553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is a person that is almost 40. < 1299755557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact he is practically 40. < 1299755560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it was 30. < 1299755561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat. < 1299755570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tauntings are ineffective. or more effective than intended. < 1299755578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you make things so hard for me fizzie :( < 1299755583 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136225.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299755589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 is closer, yes; and both are still off in the same direction. < 1299755608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You've been getting older at a rate of one year per year; aren't you 28 now? < 1299755609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, 30. < 1299755635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 in about a month, I think. < 1299755649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1299755656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK, just means that you've only got ... < 1299755658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do fractions work. < 1299755667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they don't. < 1299755684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far through 75 are you, if you're 30, as a fraction. X_X < 1299755686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain, it is the tired. < 1299755701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhilstly, http://www.wolframcdn.com/sponsor-ads/Mathematica-ring-a.png < 1299755793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, prove to me that you're not a robot. < 1299755812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you like me to do that? < 1299755815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science. < 1299755945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Awaiting science. < 1299755955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s" fizzie" s" robot" compare . -1 ok < 1299755970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's engineering, I want science. < 1299755972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try proving it in HOL Light. < 1299755976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait. < 1299755978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mathematics. < 1299755981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Calculate it with Fortran. < 1299756032 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224201167.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299756046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may take me a moment; my FORTRAN is rusty. < 1299756063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously though fizzie, did you sleep at some reasonable time and I just didn't noticed? < 1299756068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel this is disturbingly possible. < 1299756075 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299756077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*notice? < 1299756084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did; from about 02~03am to 09am in our time zone. < 1299756097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You crazy man. < 1299756104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yawns. < 1299756106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, is it only 12 pm. < 1299756130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, err, fizzie, you know x86, what was I going to ask about x86, um. < 1299756137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW ABOUT FORTH, FIZZIE < 1299756210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very much, I'm afraid; barely enough to get myself into trouble with it. < 1299756306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you see i'm doing this indirect threaded code SHIZZAT -technical term- where < 1299756310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so a dictionary entry is < 1299756312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name, code ptr, data ptr < 1299756321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a "primitive", data=0, and code just points to the asm < 1299756323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for threaded words < 1299756329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data points to a list of pointers into dictionary entries < 1299756330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1299756350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ptr to @ entry, ptr to LITERAL entry, 1, ptr to + entry, ptr to RETURNOFSOMEKIND entry} < 1299756358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BUT THE PROBLEM IS, the word that threads these right! < 1299756362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to keep track of its data pointer < 1299756362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1299756374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it can push on to the return stack is, you know, an address of its internal code < 1299756384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else might get clobbered -- and WILL get clobbered, if you call another defined-in-Forth word < 1299756398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the traditional solution to this is... I don't know, I think the normal method is more "direct" < 1299756408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneaking another value on to the return stack sounds ugly to me < 1299756413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: impart infinite wisdom to tired soul < 1299756582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like fizzie is a givings up. < 1299756739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: why hath fizzie forsaken me < 1299756749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to Forth, I'm really more of an user than an implementor; when it comes to ITC all I know is that I've seen a lot of confusing rambling about it. < 1299756782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what ITC is :D < 1299756818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1299756826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do it the sane way maybe < 1299756865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html mips assembly < 1299756867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so helpful < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; x86 assembly language < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ; Assumes that the first DWORD of a descriptor points to the intended code to execute. < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LODSD < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MOV EBX,[EAX] < 1299756929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : JMP EBX < 1299756930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1299756933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heh < 1299756969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: use lodsd < 1299757046 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299757140 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181129200.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299757310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299757313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that could work! < 1299757327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't need the return stack any more. < 1299757466 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299757544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wtf is this even :) < 1299757557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so, [di] is the main thing. < 1299757619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. wtf. < 1299757625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it usual if I end up having no return stack? < 1299757689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds unusual, since quite often people do use r> and >r. < 1299757751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for nesting those loop counters, maybe. < 1299757812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah i think it's this thing known as umm < 1299757814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the term < 1299757814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bug < 1299757819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. this is hard. < 1299757824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: summon impomatic for me < 1299757838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll know what to do. wait. fuck. what. how does this even. < 1299757847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all out of candles for the pentagram. < 1299757932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god. this is the worst. < 1299757964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. what if i just do it the ghetto way. < 1299757968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :direct subroutine threaded code. < 1299758100 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299758147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi ais523_ < 1299758155 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299758167 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, since when did qwebirc use a fixed-width font? < 1299758172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since forever < 1299758186 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be proportional sans-serif for me < 1299758188 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this computer < 1299758192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1299758205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, /me is working on his 510 byte forth < 1299758212 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's something wrong with the rendering of it, I think the characters are too far apart < 1299758218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad hinting < 1299758235 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd < 1299758241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qrstuvwxyz < 1299758260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i haven't slept < 1299758263 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, the characters don't line up within their bounding box < 1299758269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has caused me to start writing (not on IRC) in ais523_-speak < 1299758271 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should try it, it's quite relaxing < 1299758282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm, uhh, realigning my schedule mumble. < 1299758312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/2011/02/formal-comments-and-stylistic-lag.html?showComment=1299755098290#c5941692649704322889 <-- an impressive accidental emulation of ais523_'s style to make the exact opposite point that he'd make < 1299758369 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299758369 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose blog is that? < 1299758441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: um, AFAIK the author's name isn't known; but it's one of the best programming language blogs in existence < 1299758450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and I am sure I have reacted incredulously to you not noticing me linking to it before < 1299758458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's just pretend we went through all that again < 1299758473 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if so I don't remember < 1299758473 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181131066.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299758483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's linked from the Loper OS site, but I don't think that's how I found it.) < 1299758484 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that comment doesn't match my style, it has two semicolons on the same indentation level < 1299758505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what, can you not have a tri-pronged nesting, where all three parts are equal? < 1299758510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "1 + 2 + 3" in infix < 1299758522 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can < 1299758524 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not with semicolons < 1299758531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE < 1299758577 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think what's up with the font is that this computer's had a different set of fonts installed, for whatever reason < 1299758587 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's showing websites like they want to be shown, rather than forcing the font to something sane < 1299758612 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this reminds me of my Epiphany custom stylesheet that forces a background and foreground !important onto everything, with a differently colored foreground for links) < 1299758681 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, proggit are talking about the price of Xcode changing from 0 to $4.99, and how bizarre it is for the price to be positive but that low < 1299758683 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions? < 1299758709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: "meh" < 1299758717 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1299758722 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to figure out their reasoning < 1299758728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Mac App Store apps are low-priced. < 1299758729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the rule. < 1299758732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think iPhone app store. < 1299758741 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes < 1299758754 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IDEs don't really seem to fit into the model of impulse purchases < 1299758761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: And since it evidently isn't a _great_ issue for them (they did give it away for free, after all)... < 1299758761 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not the main IDE for a system < 1299758764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reason to break the mould. < 1299758769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just rabid dogfooding. < 1299758777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It is a shame, though; Apple have been consistently pushing back programmability. Sure, the same is true of Windows, but on Windows, MinGW etc. are widely-supported and useful. < 1299758794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On OS X... well, I think you could probably use a prebuilt binary plus MacPorts to get yourself a gcc toolchain. < 1299758804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it wouldn't work with the Apple extensions and APIs (or the latter at least not very well). < 1299758810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iPad was bad enough. < 1299758826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just moving further away from the Commodore 64, like I said earlier. < 1299758843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vague "meh" here too; as far as I understand it, iPhone development has been non-free all the time, and it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them commercially. < 1299758864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other notable news today, I have been propositioned by a prominent GNU maintainer over IRC. < 1299758868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now back to Forth. < 1299758878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, what was the bug, I've forgotten... < 1299758882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I fix it? < 1299758883 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lead developer of llvm commented saying it was for accounting reasons, on the basis that if you give something away free and then provide updates it plays hell with accounting < 1299758898 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas it's much easier with an explicit price tag < 1299758898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think that was debunked. < 1299758905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: one, that act has been around much longer < 1299758907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than this < 1299758915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: two, they have been giving it away for free < 1299758923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the accounting only applies to _free_ updates to _paid_ products < 1299759000 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think the argument was that there's a specific accounting rule for free updates to paid products < 1299759005 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not one for free updates to free products < 1299759021 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you use the version with the rule in, at least you know what you're supposed to put on the balance sheet < 1299759081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: nothing, that's why it's free! < 1299759107 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, balance sheets work both ways, money in and money out < 1299759126 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not directly getting money in, but you still need to allow for the money it costs you to produce the stuff you're giving away < 1299759147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck accounting. clearly invented by people who had eight hours sleep the previous night. < 1299759201 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, perhaps < 1299759279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i... think i can write an interpreter word now < 1299759296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pcworld article makes it sound like the free Xcode download was only for people registered in the iPhone or Mac developer programs, which is non-free. I distinctly remember it being really-free (well, you had to make a free account on the dev site) back around Xcode 2, I don't suppose that's changed? (There was something I couldn't find for free recently, can't recall what it was.) < 1299759298 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1299759299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1299759301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need one < 1299759307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is really-free. < 1299759313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded it, free, when I bought this. < 1299759323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It also comes on the installation DVDs. < 1299759328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that will continue, though it would be queer. < 1299759338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had no installation DVD, as this is a MacBook Air, which is TOO COOL FOR OPTICAL MEDIA.) < 1299759370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I remember it came with the DVD too. < 1299759391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are not a member of either the Mac or iOS Developer Program, you may purchase Xcode 4 from the Mac App Store for $4.99. If you are registered as an Apple Developer, you can download Xcode 3 for free at http://developer.apple.com/xcode." < 1299759394 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131000.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm'kay, so up to 3 it's still free-free (well, with registration); but the 4 is only free download if you're in the Prograsms. < 1299759448 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299759466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ams saga is progressing at a super-slow pace. < 1299759482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:53:35 SunTzu: you are assuming i'm a guy < 1299759482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:05:25 what is your gender? < 1299759485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exciting last few chapters. < 1299759543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SunTzu: does it matter? < 1299759543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and what if i do not have a gender? < 1299759549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: This be some deep philosophical shiat, yo. < 1299759565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BREAKING NEWS < 1299759569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACEBOOK REVEALS THAT AMS IS IN FACT A FROG < 1299759571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Alfred-M-Szmidt/1318123348 < 1299759591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfred J. Kwak. < 1299759609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo! < 1299759610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am conducting a survey of real and supposed genders online. this is a follow-up on a survey done during the mid-90s/ < 1299759610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone here using fasm? < 1299759615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to get so much more boring if ams doesn't chime in soon. < 1299759619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no < 1299759622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not helping, ams. < 1299759629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i use gas < 1299759629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you dont speak for anyone but yourself. < 1299759630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok < 1299759633 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never have relations with anyone who used gas. < 1299759752 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759755 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299759755 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299759768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1299759770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:19:49 nixness: don't use amazon, use your local library < 1299759771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from logreading < 1299759777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he does the "boycott amazon" thing too < 1299759780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is a literal clone of rms < 1299759906 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299760997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299760998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1299761011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, x86 expert: if I want like < 1299761017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an end_of_dict pointer < 1299761018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing a single word < 1299761022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing to the end of the dictionary < 1299761026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to use it like [[foo]] right? < 1299761027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not [foo] < 1299761028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1299761028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299761030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because foo is the pointer < 1299761031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1299761033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tired < 1299761070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that's a x86 thing, double-indirection. < 1299761161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and how many hours of sleep did YOU have last night> < 1299761163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*night? < 1299761169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ugly cuz it eats a register :( < 1299761180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six, maybe? < 1299761231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah < 1299761232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow me to tell you < 1299761233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1299761235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corresponding figure < 1299761241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z E R O ( 0 DEC, 0 HEX, 0 OCT ) < 1299761254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've been briefed. < 1299761334 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299761352 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning elliott < 1299761367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hello < 1299761378 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you've slept as much as I have in the last 24 < 1299761384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But have you been DEBRIEFED? -- and that's how the opening to the Worst Porn Ever goes. < 1299761386 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i finished that damned IPC project < 1299761877 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299761972 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181135016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299762043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:21:04 okoing? < 1299762044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:21:07 ais523: okokokokokokokokoko < 1299762044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:21:10 why would anyone do that? < 1299762047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indirect quoting!) < 1299762123 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42 < elliott> 13:21:04 okoing? < 1299762127 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42 < elliott> 13:21:07 ais523: okokokokokokokokoko < 1299762132 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:42 < elliott> 13:21:10 why would anyone do that? < 1299762147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 08:42 < elliott> 13:21:04 okoing? < 1299762147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 08:42 < elliott> 13:21:07 ais523: okokokokokokokokoko < 1299762147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 08:42 < elliott> 13:21:10 why would anyone do that? < 1299762212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:49:48 * ais523 manoeuvers through a door standing on one leg and balancing a laptop on the other < 1299762214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While typing that. < 1299762216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1299762242 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299762451 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacking all day and night < 1299762455 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't good for sanity < 1299762457 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sleeps < 1299762471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lame < 1299762477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r a fucking < 1299762933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this log is quite a fun, first fax is all "I'M NOT SURE I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSALLY-ACCEPTED PROOF OF THE HALTING PROBLEM", then pikhq is all "WELL-FOUNDED RECURSION? YOU'RE MAKING THAT UP. HOW CAN YOU EVEN ENFORCE THAT. AND WHAT KIND OF TYPE SYSTEM DOESN'T ALLOW SKI" < 1299762948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:10 madbrain: My point is that that's bloody hard without making something that's completely and utterly useless. < 1299762949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:20 true! < 1299762949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:23 oh you are one of these pragmatists < 1299763482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299763844 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765113 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181128230.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765303 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299765741 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299765766 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299765775 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299765891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Donate to the Gregoran Somalian Relief Fund! < 1299765944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AKA the Help Gregor Get the libc.so Domain Name Fund) < 1299766072 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Donate to the Augur's 25th Birthday Fund! < 1299766436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: How about you donate $50 to the Help Gregor Get the libc.so Domain Name Fund, and I'll donate $25 to the Augur's 25th Birthday Fund :P < 1299766454 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1299766483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nahhh < 1299766501 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766675 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766678 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299766733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Read as 20/25 < 1299766738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to congratulate you on your economic skill < 1299766839 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299766850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ultimateedition.info/Ultimate_Edition_2.8/107themes.png < 1299766864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... combined an OSX look and a Aero look? < 1299766931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1299766941 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty good actually < 1299766942 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299766947 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little out of place < 1299766949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good < 1299766951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was... upset by it at first, but.. yeah < 1299766957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look kind of nic < 1299766974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice even. I don't think you have to get a domain name or anything to use it < 1299767288 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299767556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1299767687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1299767749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bringing back optbot < 1299767764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first I have to figure out a suitably inappropriate language to write it in < 1299767768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking maybe Ursala < 1299767770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or J < 1299767838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN < 1299767853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now _that_ sounds painful < 1299767871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADVENT was written in Fortran, it was one of the worst possible languages for it < 1299767877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the time, the only real alternative would have been COBOL < 1299767881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or LISP < 1299767883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just as inappropriate < 1299767885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have been perfect < 1299767894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, definitely, given the langs available at the time < 1299767909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if LISP would have been widespread in terms of people knowing and using it < 1299767912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b lisp!*@ai.mit.edu < 1299767912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventure game == symbolic manipulation (parsing) + list manipulation (inventory, objects, map) < 1299767918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always been a sort of language for hipster academics < 1299767925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's ever been mainstream < 1299767940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oi :P < 1299767949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Crowther met and married Pat Crowther while at MIT." < 1299767961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so he was probably at MIT in the 60s < 1299767972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good chance he knew of LISP < 1299767974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google Chrome can't display the webpage because your computer isn't connected to the Internet. < 1299767975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1299767978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1299767978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, indeed < 1299767986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Don Woods was at Stanford, I'd be very surprised if he didn't when he extended the game, but of course by then it was too lat < 1299767990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*late < 1299768001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you sure you're connected to the Internet? you could try contacting someone over IRC to check < 1299768032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it's known he knew SNOBOL (due to writing INTERCAL-72 in it), and it would have been a pretty appropriate language too < 1299768035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC? < 1299768041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see his line, clearly his internet tubes are broken. < 1299768058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, SNOBOL's possibly the only language _more_ suitable < 1299768083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: elliott's topic about facepalming just got thrown into sharp relief for me < 1299768094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not allowed to joke? < 1299768121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it's even more obtuse than Vorpal's jokes < 1299768126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you do realise that pretending to be stupid for the purpose of humour all the time will eventually cause you to be indistinguishable and therefore identical to a stupid person? < 1299768158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm pretending to be stupid for the purpose of humour, I generally make my statements pretty obviously self-contradictory to make sure < 1299768249 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to go to school, bye < 1299768270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOTRAN and networking sounds a bit of an odd fit. I guess with the C interop stuff you could just use the BSD sockets API, but still. < 1299768286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: elliott did ask for an inappropriate language < 1299768293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was trying to pick one that was genuinely useful, just not for that purpose < 1299768295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Forth < 1299768299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but argh < 1299768311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a big (two hundred megabyte) list of bytestrings that i can select randomly from < 1299768316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are read from files that i lightly string-process < 1299768322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not be fun in Forth < 1299768332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor in most of the other langs suggested < 1299768339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll use C++, the most esoteric of languages! < 1299768349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I imagine it'd be relatively simple in Ursala, actually < 1299768353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, compared to the rest of Ursala < 1299768372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ursala even do networking? < 1299768439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it likely has a library, or at least FFI, for it < 1299768447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case you could just loop the program through netcat < 1299768570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299768608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299768637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if J had networking it'd be a good choice :) < 1299768637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299768638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1299768643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably complicated. < 1299768768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does overlambda fare? < 1299768771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that problem < 1299768771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1299768773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runderlambda < 1299768775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*underlambda < 1299769050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gotcha, terribly < 1299769063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy at work, thus everything is stalled temporarily < 1299769093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, at the problem of optbot < 1299769136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299769391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, currently badly because I still haven't decided how to do I/O < 1299769408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such an ugly blemish on the pure maths of just calculating things < 1299769454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299769637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just typoed to a one-character web address (r.com) and found it a 404 < 1299769645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd have a one-character .com, and not put a web page there? < 1299769719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, someone on Reddit claims that my argument that that rule 110 thing isn't a TCness proof is flawed because real computers don't have infinite memory either < 1299769722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA, according to whois. < 1299769722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is more upvoted than me < 1299769785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest we all have a go at him. < 1299769789 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299769819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I missed my bus < 1299769845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, quick, http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g0d5g/breaking_news_html5css3_is_turing_complete/c1k03fg?context=3 < 1299769859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upvote ais, downvote the idiot. < 1299769868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais will be happy and give us cakes. < 1299769883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming languages can be in the abstract, if they don't insist on infinite memory" < 1299769888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, was gonna go all "jeez PH you are always so harsh", but then the guy really was stupid < 1299769901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just going to have to upvote every comment ais523 makes on principle, though < 1299769910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's his only one. < 1299769913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has two. < 1299769915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least from that account. < 1299769917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299769923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should have added "AND I WON THE WOLFRAM PRIZE SO YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO MY EXPERTISE"; instant karma < 1299769974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads Wolfram blab about what software he uses. < 1299769983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess: Mathematica, Mathematica, Mathematica, all running on a kernel made out of Mathematica. < 1299770044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, mathematica kernel? < 1299770087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299770128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What would be your dream setup? < 1299770128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica + Wolfram|Alpha everywhere!" < 1299770222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. I opened SyllableOS page and ReactOS page, looked at the Syllable page, and was ... interested in ReactOS's new BeOS-based design < 1299770240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS+Windows < 1299770244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird thought < 1299770268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep maybe < 1299770624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remember that cancer guy? < 1299770628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Reddit? < 1299770631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1299770641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucidending? < 1299770643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1299770649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adrian Chen says it was him. < 1299770649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about. < 1299770668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are talking about. < 1299770673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299770677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucidending. < 1299770681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299770681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only remember due to a r/circlejerk post that was rather... mean < 1299770687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, uh, question: Seriously? < 1299770708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If yes: Stay classy, Gawker. < 1299770710 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299770740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Source plz. < 1299770742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's definitely on his Twitter. < 1299770750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824 < 1299770754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have a feeling lucidending is about to have a Second Coming on @reddit... Maybe this is the start of our first e-religion?" < 1299770758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no admission. < 1299770764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That sounds like a ``joke''. < 1299770771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be unfamiliar with the ``term''. < 1299770793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read the rest of the tweets < 1299770800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do have problems with detecting jokes which give no indication of being such, yes. < 1299770809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see indication. < 1299770823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is? < 1299770826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a confession to make: I am secretly President of the World. < 1299770841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unqualified, blunt extravagant claim that makes no sense == joke. < 1299770856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't think anyone was hurt by lucidreaming. It just made Reddit's hardheaded skepticism seem absurd and selective." < 1299770861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, it made perfect sense. < 1299770872 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299770874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lucidreaming? < 1299770890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, it doesn't. < 1299770895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1299770896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen some suggestion that it was a hoax < 1299770896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, explain. < 1299770898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299770917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello oerjan, fill the topic with things that aren't so tediously stupid as to agitate my incredibly sleep-deprived self. < 1299770933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, please explain why it was clearly a joke? < 1299770944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's certainly acting entirely seriously about it. < 1299770983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/03/post_45.html < 1299770990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show me where he is acting entirely seriously about it. < 1299771046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FFS, *saying that he was behind an IAmA which had no verification is not absurd*. < 1299771086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does seriously consider it to be a major hoax, at least. < 1299771087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please do not irritate me with your failure to detect jokingness in offhand Twitter posts when I've had this little sleep. < 1299771126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then please get some sleep rather than just saying I'm wrong and being confrontational. < 1299771165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ZYGOHISTOMORPHIC PREPROMORPHISMS | LATIMERIA CHALUMNAE | CLASSIFICATION OF FINITE SIMPLE GROUPS | BULLET CLUSTER | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299771199 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "@owengood haha yeah, I did some research on that today and came to the same conclusion. Reddit is so full of shit." < 1299771245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Adrianchen considers it to be a hoax proving Reddit's gullibility in some circumstances, but may have been joking about being the one who started it. < 1299771256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299771281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → things < 1299771287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT I'm right, again. < 1299771398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Scumbag Ola Bini to make < 1299771523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did poor Ola do to be called a scumbag < 1299771546 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seph is supposed to have immutable objects, but mutable lexical variables < 1299771549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299771566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures will close over those mutable lexical variables and allow them to be mutated... < 1299771603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: #(n, #(i, n += i)), < 1299771616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I don't know what that last , is < 1299771622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bar = foo(1) < 1299771630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar(5) < 1299771632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar(5) < 1299771636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those will mutate n < 1299771692 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-82.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hmm, just because it's abusable doesn't make it evil. Maybe. < 1299771755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299771761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically Ola Bini is an evil hybrid of me, Vorpal and Gregor. < 1299771778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1299771801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1299771812 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.06: 32k to Cambodia, 8x64k+4x32k+16k to China, 8k+3x4k+2k+1k to Japan, 4k to Taiwan, 1k to India, /48 to Indonesia, /32 to Australia. < 1299771817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I don't mind the mutable lexical variables, just closures giving write access to those as opposed to read-only access < 1299771831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unban lisp P: < 1299771834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1299771835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaihguidafhg < 1299771836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards < 1299771837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck ass < 1299771852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the source of his hat is obvious! < 1299771853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, school: Take two < 1299771854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1299771859 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b lisp!*@ai.mit.edu < 1299771866 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory is a dialect of Lisp. < 1299771878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honey's still banned though. < 1299771898 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School: Take two: For real < 1299771904 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181138165.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299771999 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299772155 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299772240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299772296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299772636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's menial busywork, it's not like projects where I can architecture myself way out of space and then realise it'll be an unholy bitch to do < 1299772650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY WON'T RECOGNISE JAPANESE ONCE YOU'RE FINISHED WITH IT < 1299772923 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-254-54.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299772930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299772943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299773187 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299773340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1299773361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like the idea that i can butcher japanese to the point when i've learned a complete language that nobody else in the world has < 1299773386 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to fork japanese? < 1299773439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: PRECISELY < 1299773461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for japanese++ < 1299773505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: hi < 1299773677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1299773686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: ais523 is pikhq_ < 1299773690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in a meeting, and saw I'd been nickpinged but didn't respond to it because someone else was looking at my scren < 1299773704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*screen < 1299773736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dream, where we all live in a world where IRCing at arbitrary points is socially acceptable! < 1299773741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't see who'd done it as I didn't have IRC focused) < 1299773906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, IE6 is "only" 3,482 days old < 1299774120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, just noticed on reddit: hg fetch == git pull; git fetch == hg pull < 1299774130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as equivalent as you can be for two fundamentally different DVCSes < 1299774150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fundamentally different? < 1299774153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git and hg are almost identical :) < 1299774163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as identical as they come < 1299774311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, all languages suck at being amusingly imperfect for a certain task < 1299774794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: well, being amusingly imperfect for a certain task is _hard_ < 1299774868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, The Old New Thing posted the topmost window story again, this time ending with a list of things that programs might to do be really topmost < 1299774876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comments have come up with more and more ridiculous ideas < 1299775523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299775527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ITT I'm right, again. < 1299775534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like always! < 1299775548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, get some sleep if it means you're going to be like this. < 1299775579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, in fact, have things to do other than sit on IRC, strange as it may seem. < 1299775650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, i am always right < 1299775674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just got what looks like probably a 419 scam, that's so confused I can't even follow what it's actually trying to do < 1299775690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I like the way they typoed "scan copy" as "scam copy" later < 1299775704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm fairly sure you've been wrong but I am not so petty as to keep a list for easy reference. < 1299775739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're offering to send me a Mastercard with $10.000,000.00, MILLION DOLLARS < 1299775757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as I pay a $650 shipping charge via Western Union < 1299775761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a... good amount of millions! < 1299775763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it parses < 1299775777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, that's a massively large shipping charge for one credit card, they're clearly trying to rip me off < 1299775792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the card apparently ends with ten zeros < 1299775800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :card number, that is < 1299775803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is suspicious in its own right < 1299775846 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181141033.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299775965 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299776162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299776164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has been wrong many times < 1299776182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, a whole 0 < 1299776194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have been wrong AT LEAST 0 times. < 1299776201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also more < 1299776324 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been wrong -3 times. < 1299776333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It overflowed.) < 1299776452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you say something stupid a few times to cover your tracks < 1299776462 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299776491 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299776532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell can be used in practical contexts! < 1299776594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1299776603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2! < 1299776632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm... mathematics has a utilitarian justification! < 1299776663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama is a good choice of leader! < 1299776668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not borderline enough. < 1299776676 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unambiguously stupid. < 1299776993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you directly see "if G is an undirected graph, G^c is the graph where (u, v) is an edge iff it's not an edge in G. show that for all undirected G, either G or G^c is connected" < 1299777009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite graphs < 1299777164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that's not a statement. < 1299777182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you directly see the solution < 1299777206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1299777213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty < 1299777226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait, I was missing something, but I think I can extend what I had. < 1299777251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol ur homework on irc < 1299777277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, OI ARE YOU TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY KINDNESS < 1299777280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this was today's homework < 1299777287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR SHAME < 1299777308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean we presented the solutions today < 1299777335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one takes about 5 seconds if you've played with graphs a lot, i'm just wondering if it's noobie friendly < 1299777347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm sure it took me at least 20 seconds < 1299777369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly a noobie to graph theory, but I've not exactly covered it in depth. < 1299777445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you done a lot of problems, or have you read some stuff on wp? < 1299777453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something in-between < 1299777461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done some problems. < 1299777465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good < 1299777509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, or is it < 1299777514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i was hoping anyone could do this < 1299777528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this guy who's wondering if he should take math or cs < 1299777545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying to find something fun for him to prove so he'll learn to luv the mathies :( < 1299777698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pythagoras :P < 1299777717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry is kinda stupid < 1299777944 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299778162 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299778353 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299778431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry is the worst < 1299778438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry should be outlawed < 1299778456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, we know you've been scarred by GCSE "geometry". < 1299778460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299778462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all geometry is terrible < 1299778467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1299778487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well because topology is what they call geometry that isn't shit and here you insert the troll face unicode codepoint < 1299778716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also I actually came up with a decent name for my computer. < 1299778747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT IS IT < 1299778750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fagmachine? < 1299778752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terriblepieceofshit? < 1299778755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worthlesscraptop? < 1299778755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"henry". < 1299778760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the worst < 1299778787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology <3 < 1299778800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Considering adrienchen referred to lucidending as "lucidreaming" in his second Tweet, the probability of it actually being him has crawled down to -24. < 1299778802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Out of 1.) < 1299778815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my friend at oxford is doing topology and he's such a bitch about it, but that's because he's stupid, unlike you < 1299778819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but if I get another one I can call it "dyson" and I will have a SYSTEMATIC NAMING SCHEME < 1299778825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's also the guy who's stupid about japanese, basically a total life failure) < 1299778853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dyson has to be a Mac: a bunch of marketing claiming innovation for shit that's been done for decades. < 1299778877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dammit. < 1299778892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's this person stupid about Japanese? < 1299778908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He isn't, I just like shitting all over his reputation on IRC and then pasting the aftermath to him. < 1299778921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling it quite upsets him, but, haha, he can't do anything about it. Except all the things he can do about it. < 1299778934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like bludgeoning you? < 1299778937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bitch about it? < 1299778949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just like not talking to me < 1299778955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he still hasn't ventured into this chan because he's like a total noob < 1299778963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to flame him, i could arrange for him to come in now < 1299778980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?? < 1299778982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1299778992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes OK. < 1299778997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought people at oxford only research the hip topics < 1299779040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, like fractals and stuff? < 1299779109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know, that algebraic topology stuff? < 1299779128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he apparently "reefuses", i think he might be illiterate < 1299779136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refuses to what? < 1299779139 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose in each G and G^c there are exactly two classes of points which create connected subgraphs, A1, A2, B1, B2. By intersecting the partitions (finding common sub-partitions of the set of points of G) we will get {Cij = Ai n Bj}, a partition of the set of points of G. For a fixed i, Cij are all pairwise connected in G, and for a fixed j, in G^c. For two certain pairs (k, l) != (m, n) there is a set Ckl. In Ckl no points from Bl are G^ < 1299779139 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-connected to points in Bn, this means then that all points from Ckl c Ak are G-connected to points from Cin for all i, specifically to points of Cmn. This means that Cmn c Am is empty. < 1299779144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean by "being a bitch" < 1299779166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these questions cannot be explained by science. < 1299779180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly he just mentions he's doing topology work to me and i'm like DUDE stop bothering me with all this TRIVIAL BULLSHIT, that's my job < 1299779182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1299779204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: did you get a contradiction? < 1299779216 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: DID i get a contradiction? < 1299779217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, since when were you an op? < 1299779229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: since the holy hand of oerjan decreed it so. < 1299779234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is our comforting guide. < 1299779245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And his first action wasn't to kickban cheater?? < 1299779246 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does it tell you that all Cmn are empty? < 1299779283 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \Sum Cmn = points(G) < 1299779294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh all are okay < 1299779329 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice how i went from having a finite amount of sets in the beginning to having an arbitrary later on without changing my assumptions < 1299779348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that clarifies things < 1299779362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it looked wrong anyway < 1299779368 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just cause normally people see an example with an arbitrary amount of elements and they forget to check what happens if you have 1 element or 2 elements < 1299779381 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i decided to point out that possibility specifically < 1299779414 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's still correct because it's just a proof for the basic situation where you have two disconnected subgraphs each < 1299779436 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but change the first sentence to A1, ..., AN, B1, ..., BM and you then have the general situation < 1299779554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Cmn empty as a conclusion? < 1299779580 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise Cmn and Ckl are G-connected and G^c-connected < 1299779608 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can only take place if those sets are empty < 1299779640 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, it's either connected in G XOR G^c < 1299779644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299779644 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 < 1299779648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299779654 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 < 1299779696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol does not know the secrets of the unvierses < 1299779710 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you do < 1299779802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe i'll start asking questions, since i can't see what you mean < 1299779804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For a fixed i, Cij are all pairwise connected in G" < 1299779849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, for every j != j', two vertices v, v' in Cij and Cij' respectively, there's a... path? between v and v' < 1299780008 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299780040 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299780370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i'll give a solution just for fun: let G be disconnected. then consider any two connected components G_1 and G_2 of G. then for all v \in G_1 and w \in G_2, there is an edge (v, w) in G^c. this means: if you take u and v in G, if they are in different components, there's an edge between them. if they are in the same component H, then take w \notin H, and you'll have the path u, w, v < 1299780410 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299780411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in G^c < 1299780421 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant < 1299780427 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me read your solution < 1299780446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*G_1 != G_2 there < 1299780474 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type it again if there were any errors < 1299780490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose w because G is disconnected, and the edge (v, w) must be in G^c because otherwise v and w are in the same component. < 1299780500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just two obvious remarks < 1299780503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure < 1299780522 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that it for your proof? < 1299780527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let G be disconnected. then consider any two connected components G_1 != G_2 of G. then for all v \in G_1 and w \in G_2, there is an edge (v, w) in G^c. this means: if you take u and v in G, if they are in different components, there's an edge between them. if they are in the same component H, then take w \notin H, and you'll have the path u, w, v < 1299780542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yes, that's it, that shows G^c is connected < 1299780549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give an explicit path between any u and v < 1299780560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of length 1 or 2 < 1299780564 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w8 < 1299780642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume that both G and G^c are disconnected, and find a contradiction, but i don't really know how to interpret some of your claims, probably because i'm slow, but anyway. < 1299780677 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299780682 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only proved a half. < 1299780701 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't proven that G connected => G^c disconnected < 1299780716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, but that's not true anyway < 1299780719 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you have only proven half < 1299780722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to prove one of them is < 1299780725 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is! < 1299780728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about being unclear < 1299780734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obviously not true < 1299780741 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe G connected and G^c connected < 1299780745 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows! < 1299780749 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unproven! < 1299780759 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299780774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a valid point i guess. whatever it means < 1299780785 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait. < 1299780799 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were trying to prove G connected <=> G^c disconnected < 1299780817 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're only trying to prove G connected or G^c connected. < 1299780820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299780826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about being unclear < 1299780836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so obvious the xor is not true that it didn't occur to me < 1299780837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299780841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, maybe it's not that obvious < 1299780856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's true: consider a path of length 3, u-v-w-z < 1299780914 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take a square with an antenna for G, and G^c is connected too < 1299780935 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square with an antenna is a five point graph which contains a square, and additionally has a point which is connected to one of the square's vertices. < 1299780936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that, but mine is the smallest example < 1299780942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i chose that one < 1299780963 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ya < 1299780967 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i think about it < 1299780977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not why i chose it, but at least it's a good rationalization) < 1299780983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i chose it at random) < 1299781036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your proof works for the xor thing, maybe you have some detail wrong in there and i don't have to continue trying to guess what you mean < 1299781038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299781049 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it doesn't prove XOR < 1299781070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the or? < 1299781080 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299781117 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it proves you can't have G and G^c disconnected at the same time. < 1299781130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tru < 1299781134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part i got < 1299781155 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read about the khan academy oklopol < 1299781169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299781193 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's making it into the news < 1299781212 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some sort of funny school where they do homework at school and lectures individually at home < 1299781224 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i read someone talking about it i think < 1299781231 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!!! academy < 1299781256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299781258 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 < 1299781259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't watch that show < 1299781301 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't watch youtube? < 1299781307 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, you're missing out < 1299781321 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had ali g on yesterday < 1299781323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't actually have ChanServ access, so I'm only an op as long as my connection remains stable :P < 1299781334 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and today it's a double feature of beyonce and eminem < 1299781775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1299781840 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299782207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor, guess what simple operation Python makes low-level and hard < 1299782272 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left-shift? < 1299782317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a line from a socket. Although it seems there's some newish API to do that automatically. < 1299782751 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299782889 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@southeast-invest.oneringnetworks.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299782910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you directly see "if G is an undirected graph, G^c is the graph where (u, v) is an edge iff it's not an edge in G. show that for all undirected G, either G or G^c is connected" < 1299782913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1299782923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ran out of things to do! < 1299782952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Productivity is a myth, or something. < 1299783049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sos. at pycon. surrounded by pythonistas. it's creepy. send reinforcements kthx. sos < 1299783081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistake 1: Go to PyCon. < 1299783089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistake 2: Go to PyCon, do not prepare for pythonistas. < 1299783105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have you mentioned my Sierpiński numbers? < 1299783119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this new SOS-over-IRC, though. < 1299783119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ought to clear them out quickly. < 1299783126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#estoteric < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::asimov.freenode.net MODE #estoteric +ns < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::asimov.freenode.net 353 optbot @ #estoteric :@optbot < 1299783199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::asimov.freenode.net 366 optbot #estoteric :End of /NAMES list. < 1299783202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at my coding skill. look at it. < 1299783210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling skill, rather. < 1299783227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has left in fear of the sheer difficulty of the trivial problem. < 1299783232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299783237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he solved it! < 1299783335 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783336 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | but you can *create* data structures < 1299783341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1299783342 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | But some people do expect the EV criteria to slide (race to the bottom in same manner as has happened to DV certs). <-- DV? < 1299783346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: how are the haps < 1299783353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1299783362 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299783513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, any word on the Pythonistas? < 1299783716 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783716 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1299783761 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299783784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i actually filtered out highlights and things... < 1299783787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that sometime. < 1299783802 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783802 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | Perhaps somebody would be converted. < 1299783845 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299783999 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299783999 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | hmm, /me thinks < 1299784005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot < 1299784009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1299784015 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299784042 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-207-168.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299784050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hi < 1299784053 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299784138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You had me at Py_INCREF(Py_None);..." < 1299784149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that... < 1299784152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting a reference to None? < 1299784162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this imply that None could theoretically be garbage-collected? < 1299784171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The philosophical implications are astounding. < 1299784207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think cpressey is pioneering the Emergency Write-Only IRC Link. < 1299784238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299784254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we send reinforcements? < 1299784262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is because he wrote the emergency client in Python, which has no convenient socket readline function, as I have recently discussed. < 1299784278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we send in five USB sticks containing different versions of GHC. < 1299784284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by god, let's hope of them gets to him. < 1299784293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a prerelease CD of @ of course. < 1299784293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, APT Guy was visiting my neighbour earlier < 1299784322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a Pythonista; I could send him in to infiltrate the ranks and carry supplies. < 1299784335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think he would carry GHC? < 1299784346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could pretend it was something else. < 1299784347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'd take one look at it and say, "this has punctuation and things. That's not Pythonic. < 1299784349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pythonic." < 1299784353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They can SMELL it. < 1299784380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretend it was something else by encrypting it? < 1299784401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Their sense of smell can break RSA encryption. < 1299784447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. Write one program to transform arbitrary files into vaguely-valid Python programs. < 1299784460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use it on GHC. < 1299784461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU CANNOT DEFEAT THE PYTHONISTA'S NOSE FOR PYTHONICITY. < 1299784464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS SUPERTURING. < 1299784506 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Py_None is a Python object like any other. When you assign a variable to it, you have to increment its usage count. < 1299784531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Please don't tell me Py_None is allocated on the heap. < 1299784538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that small integers are is bad enough (with a CACHE for the first 256). < 1299784541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea & I'm not going to check. < 1299784553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be awesome if, like, True and False were garbage-collectable. < 1299784558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, quick! Sierpiński them off! < 1299784603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Python's garbage collector is Turing-complete. < 1299785302 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, i forgot about those. yeah. i should totally give a lightning talk on "Implementing numerical types between Real and Complex" < 1299785329 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"between"? < 1299785331 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1299785348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1299785430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Apple. < 1299785431 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: I dunno but the Python docs suggest they went to great lengths to allow it. < 1299785445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to *pay* for XCode 4. < 1299785454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1299785457 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, that's what you mean < 1299785478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the fact that i knew that you had to pay for XCode 4 before Phantom_Hoover mentioned it. < 1299785486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no business with such information. < 1299785495 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's xcode? < 1299785509 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm successful at forgetting things i shouldn't know. < 1299785509 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm implementing LNUSP in Java during the breaks to keep myself sane < 1299785537 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what about implementing a reactive asynchronous programming framework in haskell? < 1299785540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: implementing things in java. < 1299785544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i stay sane too! < 1299785558 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1299785562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, implement Sierpiński numbers in Java! < 1299785576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement Java in Sierpiński numbers. < 1299785584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds far more practical, realistic. < 1299785589 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement sierpiński in java numbers. < 1299785596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I have no idea if either addition or multiplication are closed.) < 1299785607 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the only person who has ń on their keyboard without sticky keys. < 1299785879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: trivially not closed under addition < 1299785893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see they have to be odd. < 1299785896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299785903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, huh? < 1299785932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_number talking about this? < 1299785973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299785982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my set of numbers between R and C. < 1299785998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right i suppose that might not contain all of R :) < 1299786043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the set of points in the Sierpiński gasket embedded into C. < 1299786060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely not closed under addition, actually. < 1299786106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication... maybe; I don't know. < 1299786107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most certainly not if it contains two straight lines < 1299786112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition that is < 1299786124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know how you do the embedding < 1299786532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ban someone < 1299786675 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299786675 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299786675 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299786833 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299786884 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1299787301 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklolol: how come you're studying graphs right now? < 1299787319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i'm just taking a few courses at random < 1299787330 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you're doing geometry? < 1299787335 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w4t < 1299787343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not doing any geometry < 1299787362 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what course has this come up in? < 1299787374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err this graph problem? < 1299787376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph theory course < 1299787401 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory is geometry < 1299787411 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299787426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm taking graph theory, cellular automata, group theory (representation stuff) and complexity theory atm < 1299787445 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's CT? < 1299787453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory is geometry? i suppose they both have lines and points. < 1299787464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory = topology = geometry = peano arithmetic < 1299787466 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph theory is very much geometry. < 1299787469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := theory of wood < 1299787479 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wood? < 1299787483 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you represent an angle in... never mind < 1299787486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a really simple course on ct, we're just doing the basic stuff like showing things np-complete < 1299787493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i want to know < 1299787514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: asking questions. that's the first mistake. < 1299787523 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you don't :p < 1299787524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see what the connections between graph theory and geometry are, but maybe there are some < 1299787549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the connections are elaborately laid out in the theory of "cheater is a stupids" < 1299787586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a lot of benefit of the doubt to spare. < 1299787590 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well there are several connections such as simplex geometry, topology, etc < 1299787597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299787598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, read logs < 1299787600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all out of benefit of the doubt, can i have some oklopol? < 1299787616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I read logs < 1299787619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for what purpose < 1299787621 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iddiott, i would appreciate it if you actually learnt some of what you're yapping about, as opposed to copypasting reddit. < 1299787621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplices give a sort of connection. i don't know anything about them. < 1299787622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you paste that at me? < 1299787633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to see what I missed, in terms of things directed at me or about me < 1299787651 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they're cool < 1299787666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do with them except implement groups? < 1299787668 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mainly because they bring a lot of geometry stuff down to finite numbers < 1299787676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't know graph theory < 1299787689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement fun stuff as fundamental groups of simplicial complexes right? < 1299787698 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299787704 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the euler characteristic is one powerful tool that's easy to use with a simplicial complex < 1299787708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1299787737 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a number that is the same for the same kinds of shapes < 1299787757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha oklopol doesn't know what euler characteristic is < 1299787764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will now be murdered by elliott  < 1299787774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't know the term no < 1299787782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about how you oil things < 1299787800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an invariant of some sort? < 1299787802 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also quite often if you get a theorem that works on a simplicial complex you can generalize it to anything < 1299787806 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299787842 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you get one that doesn't work, you can generalize that to anything, too. < 1299787845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! head rush < 1299787863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I shouldn't complain about things written iin 1991 being boringly old < 1299787867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299787896 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for any orientable surface you get a graph which is that orientable surface but deflated < 1299787906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more precise? < 1299787909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is everything else (proof follows by induction0 < 1299787909 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the topology part) < 1299787911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1299787917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know the definition of an orientable surface < 1299787924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1299787927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i do < 1299787928 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well think for example of "genus" surfaces < 1299787941 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sphere, donut, donut with two holes, ... < 1299787959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an orientable surface is one that can't pronounce Rs < 1299787978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION awaits swattage. < 1299787983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "deflated" means? < 1299787989 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the air is let out. < 1299787992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh? < 1299787992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I gave up on Mercury < 1299787997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : an orientable surface is one that can't pronounce Rs < 1299787998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1299787998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oriental < 1299788001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oliental < 1299788001 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299788014 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it makes you psychotic even in very low amounts? < 1299788021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: somehow i couldn't read your line correctly < 1299788024 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it gives you kidney failure? < 1299788031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a temporary disorientation < 1299788066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "IRC?" is not blatantly only pretending to be dumb, how is what cheater said... < 1299788074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh < 1299788092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: troll etc. < 1299788103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an autoresponder script. < 1299788117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299788122 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788123 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299788123 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was not a troll, i almost made such a pun myself < 1299788137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never said that line in particular was a troll. < 1299788185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just everything he says < 1299788246 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now if you deflate a surface and get the graph, they have the same fundamental group < 1299788261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the fundamental group of a graph? < 1299788277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: you don't need to explain algebraic topology to me < 1299788291 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that was oklopol < 1299788303 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i was just thinking "that guy starting with o" < 1299788320 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have oerjan explain it to you :D < 1299788334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need it explained, i need it defined < 1299788395 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: seriously though, it's the same as in a continuous space < 1299788403 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the set of different loops. < 1299788456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1299788468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a group < 1299788471 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine you embed your graph in R^n, and imagine the fundamental group there < 1299788474 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788474 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299788475 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299788533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a doughnut < 1299788535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you deflate it < 1299788539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you get a circle? < 1299788547 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a circle a graph? < 1299788554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't really know how you do the embedding < 1299788580 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299788580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1299788586 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take some points somewhere randomly < 1299788594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put the triangle with one side on the [0,1] interval and the point in the positive imaginary direction. < 1299788595 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably at least two < 1299788643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what graph could you get this way for instance? < 1299788667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graph has Z^2 as its fundamental group < 1299788691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one vertex, two loops < 1299788703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't commute < 1299788709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did actually come up with a possible practical use for this, but it was even more crazy.) < 1299788727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a free group from that < 1299788728 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two loops for a genus 1? < 1299788743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok that may be tricky < 1299788744 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you were answering the later question < 1299788763 0 :ab5tract!~ab5tract@s529dd550.adsl.wanadoo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299788778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking abelianized fundamental group (aka H_1 homology) < 1299788784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha homo < 1299788809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly the most inspired thing i've ever said. < 1299788810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "abelianised" is such a cool word I am going to drop it into every conversation I can. < 1299788816 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the torus surface has Z^2 < 1299788822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: O KAY < 1299788829 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get a graph this way.. hmm < 1299788832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what did you do to my dog?" < 1299788834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abelisanised it." < 1299788838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its organs are everywhere." < 1299788839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1299788840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: erm not as fundamental group, no < 1299788855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be read in pfsc font) < 1299788855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone give me a name for a piece of software to call "osmium". < 1299788858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, certainly not < 1299788862 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surface, not the donut with the inside < 1299788865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh. Osmium? < 1299788872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1299788879 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... wait, what is the fundamental group there? < 1299788883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a name for// < 1299788900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: still not. the two directions you can circle don't commute < 1299788904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abelianised osmium. < 1299788910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental group of a doughnut is Z^2 < 1299788934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's impossible to implement as the fundamental group of a graph i think < 1299788940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm reference < 1299788941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your definition < 1299788943 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fundamental group of the torus is just the direct product of the fundamental group of the circle with itself: < 1299788944 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \pi_1(\mathbb{T}^2) = \pi_1(S^1) \times \pi_1(S^1) \cong \mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z}. < 1299788949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just heard the definition, i don't have one < 1299788955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reference for what? < 1299788965 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, i was talking about the donut, not the torus surface < 1299788965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf i'm wrong < 1299788969 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :donut = torus with jam inside < 1299788972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299788983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's Z < 1299788987 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299788990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait wtf i'm wrong < 1299788991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299788993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never be wrong oerjan < 1299788995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me sad. < 1299789004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More generally, the fundamental group of any graph G is a free group." < 1299789012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about being unclear, i'm of course talking about the outside, because the inside is just the circle, topologically < 1299789012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually i'm not quite sure < 1299789022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're probably right :-)))) < 1299789026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fundamental groupally < 1299789030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn emacs < 1299789030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1299789037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems kinda obvious < 1299789038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about every fun language I read about has an emacs mode < 1299789046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, not that I don't know the basics of emacs < 1299789053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to force myself to use it < 1299789081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ...what do you use now? < 1299789086 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but the circle can get reduced to a graph too < 1299789092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you have a path that's a circle, then obviously that path is just... well, that path < 1299789093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad++ < 1299789094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol and oerjan mathsing, Sgeo making us all palm our faces < 1299789095 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finite number of elements = easier for counting) < 1299789096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old #esoteric < 1299789114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: yeah but that's a trivial case < 1299789117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ... < 1299789123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even your silly definition of a fundamental group works there < 1299789126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I hate you forever. < 1299789133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't take it as a counterexample of it not being silly. < 1299789152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Notepad%2B%2B_screenshot2.png < 1299789158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs works well for Clojure, as far as I can tell. It probably works well for most languages someone wrote a major mode for. < 1299789160 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1299789167 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've changed my mind, that's the best tab completion thing ever. < 1299789179 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how is it silly? < 1299789192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: well because it just gives you free groups < 1299789198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming it has "explode" on all tab completions. < 1299789206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Clojure? < 1299789216 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, it does. < 1299789226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That was some PHP code, and explode is a common PHP function ... < 1299789232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I really *do* hate you forever. < 1299789233 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, please tell me you've at least heard of Clojure, even if you're morally opposed... < 1299789241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok. < 1299789245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay then < 1299789246 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode($sgeo) < 1299789265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was definitely wrong < 1299789268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intuitively speaking, this means that a closed path that circles the torus' "hole" (say, a circle that traces out a particular latitude) and then circles the torus' "body" (say, a circle that traces out a particular longitude) can be deformed to a path that circles the body and then the hole." < 1299789269 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's so horrible about Clojure? < 1299789272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People code Lisp dialects in non-Emacs? < 1299789280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides being on the JVM < 1299789282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like Welcome to Pain City, Pain Population: You. < 1299789288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maaaybe vim. < 1299789297 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about DrRacket? < 1299789306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what were you wrong about? < 1299789307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim's Scheme indentation mode used to suck incredible amounts of suck. It's better nowadays. < 1299789310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you *know* about my experience with #clojure. < 1299789314 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1299789316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot. < 1299789321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, fizzie expressed *dislike* for something?? < 1299789330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sucking is good. < 1299789334 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, so good. < 1299789336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, it's written in vimscript. I have a feeling even writing suck in that is a chore. < 1299789342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fizzie is stating a statistic: people considered it sucky before < 1299789356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one or two people in some IRC channel don't know elementary CS math < 1299789365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big whoop. Unless it was Rick < 1299789368 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *GASP* < 1299789375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: about the torus giving a free group. < 1299789388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, at least one of them was directly involved in the language. < 1299789394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say the torus gives you a free group? < 1299789405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as its topological fundamental group? < 1299789439 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no torus gives you Z or Z^2 depending on which torus you mean (full or hollow) < 1299789453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i implied it < 1299789473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay indeed < 1299789483 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/osmiumpricesusdollars.html < 1299789488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this is the silliest thing ever. < 1299789488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For context, not a single person in #clojure would state outright that O(log_32 n) = O(log n). < 1299789494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAX FREE OSMIUM < 1299789509 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O_O < 1299789510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A majority argued that they were the same in theory but not in practice, and a small minority argued that it was just harmless semantics. < 1299789521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN SOME IRC CHANNEL DON'T KNOW ELEMENTARY CS MATH HURP DERP < 1299789528 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably because this notation is illegal. < 1299789538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1299789549 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that just might be coming up after you get out of high school. < 1299789574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right elliott is just a little kid xD < 1299789584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: are you a mathematician < 1299789585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ...what? < 1299789599 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no! < 1299789609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater- is presumably being an idiot. < 1299789613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1299789622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well after he pointed out that you are younger than him, i immediately understood why order notation is illegal < 1299789623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-, let's just say that even I know what the notation is. < 1299789629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he is. < 1299789633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: has he used the hilarious name "idiott" yet < 1299789636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best one imo < 1299789651 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's no such thing as O(x) = O(y) in mathematics. < 1299789656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he clearly knows more math than me and oerjan put together < 1299789683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-, so how would I describe that O(2) and O(1) are the same thing? < 1299789686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: O(f) is the set of functions g such that there exist n and c such that g(x) <= cf(x) for all x >= n? < 1299789726 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, and no < 1299789730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you'll have to repeat that to me later. < 1299789734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: ? < 1299789739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain of the exact definition. < 1299789745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess you just said it. < 1299789745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's on wp :) < 1299789751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to stare at it more < 1299789755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i should hope so, at least) < 1299789763 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the problem is that traditionally using equality on the object O(f) is to be interpreted as an \in sign. < 1299789772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: erm, that's just notation < 1299789788 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is arguing about notation. I think. < 1299789813 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sure, so following your train of thought 8=2 is valid mathematics < 1299789816 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some notation. < 1299789818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation that often makes stuff easier to state in number theory and that's completely useless in cs < 1299789841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurp derp pedantry is mathematics < 1299789847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: the difference is everyone knows what the O notation means < 1299789850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why all math notation is unambiguous < 1299789863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8=2 is true in the group of R modulo 6 :P < 1299789869 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits someone with pi(20) < 1299789869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, it is even so that Vim nowadays has a "LISP indentation" mode built-in (well, when compiled with +lispindent). It used to be scripted and amazingly slow; several seconds of waiting when you pressed enter inside a dozen-line expression. < 1299789880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Implessive. < 1299789881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that's not a group! < 1299789884 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in which case it'd be 8 == 2 :p < 1299789890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *Impleththive. < 1299789895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Asian Lisper. < 1299789920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8==2? sorry what's this == < 1299789938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen it before. < 1299789941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not real mathematics. < 1299789943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's lies. < 1299789949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now ≡, I know that. < 1299789960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==, though, def. not mathematics < 1299789961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're right, it's a set. I suck at pedantry :( < 1299789979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CLEARLY SUCK AT MATHS < 1299790024 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☐? what's this? < 1299790056 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid your fancy character set isn't compatible with the rest of the internet < 1299790082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, UTF-8, who uses that. < 1299790086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not anyone on IRC. < 1299790092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you ever used UTF-8? < 1299790104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used UTF-8. < 1299790119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't that the thing they put in strawberries to keep the shine? < 1299790126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Y...ees. < 1299790133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tea eff eight? < 1299790153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's when your still-alive dinner has an orgy with eight others. < 1299790156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tragic experience. < 1299790188 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181132180.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299790252 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++ is crime against humanity, and its creator is the programming equivalent of Saddam Hussein." < 1299790281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that this gold tracking site also tracks everything in the platinum group. < 1299790302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because rhenium is such an investment! < 1299790322 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299790454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: --taw, I believe. < 1299790473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although this URI has t-a-w in it < 1299790476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://t-a-w.blogspot.com/2007/02/right-to-criticize-programming.html < 1299790490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose taw.blogspot.com was taken. < 1299790495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299790567 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1299790854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEEKEND < 1299790944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HELLO < 1299790950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ams is more insane than previously believed. < 1299790969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do tell. < 1299790990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I present a three-line snippet from #forth today, provided with all the context it had originally, i.e. none whatsoever: < 1299790993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Veggie oil; it's generated by burning vegetarians. < 1299790993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're cute < 1299790993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lets have sex < 1299791020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not ams's insanity, just his sense of humor. < 1299791022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE NOTHING INSANE ABOUT THAT < 1299791029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I *strongly* hope so. < 1299791040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOU WANNA BET. < 1299791047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not especially. < 1299791050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh come on, the 40 year old paedophile thing is so cliché. < 1299791060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your kind of ugly < 1299791064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have sex anyway < 1299791066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few people have come ahead betting against humans being insane. < 1299791068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1299791069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llool < 1299791073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He looks like a girl, as well. < 1299791078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, there? < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:32 elliott you is goil? < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:47 Not that I'm aware of. < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:50 k < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:52 just chking < 1299791082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:38:16 keep it in your pant, ams < 1299791083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1299791085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:53:35 SunTzu: you are assuming i'm a guy < 1299791087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:05:25 what is your gender? < 1299791089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18:30 SunTzu: does it matter? < 1299791091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18:40 and what if i do not have a gender? < 1299791093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FURTHER ADVENTURES INTO CRAZY < 1299791110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your kind of ugly; lets have s'ex anyway < 1299791114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAMMAR WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN < 1299791120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's easier to just call him an asshat. < 1299791126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's demonstrable. < 1299791151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Before that he was arguing for the "GNU/Linux" term with abject sincerity, and then *honestly strongly implied that the Hurd was not vapourware*. < 1299791158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even from the GNU System maintainer, I mean... seriously. < 1299791178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they do have *something* to show for their decades of effort. < 1299791179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13:38 yea, that was spam and the one prev was dehtml scrubbed clean, so i dont know what it said. no significant content < 1299791179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13:54 "When will TUNES be done?" < 1299791180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:13:59 prolly something like that ;-) < 1299791180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14:02 like Hurd, never < 1299791180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:14:17 SunTzu: the Hurd has had three releases. < 1299791181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE VERY SERIOUS RELEASES < 1299791186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess technically it isn't vapourware. < 1299791187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supports everything except USB, and everything else. < 1299791195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299791201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an insanely slow development process. < 1299791210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yeah. It has a Linux 2.2 driver stack. < 1299791257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/g165z/what_is_the_name_of_that_saxophone_song_thats/ best reddit thread ever < 1299791289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.fogus.me/2011/03/09/recursion-is-a-low-level-operation/ < 1299791296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RECURSION IS LOW-LEVER < 1299791303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO LOW-LEVEL < 1299791322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, his point is perfectly sane, but he uses Clojure so I hate him.) < 1299791336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't necessarily call it "low-level", but it certainly should be avoided in functional languages when possible. < 1299791341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh come on, fogus is a good guy. < 1299791352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And plenty of sane people use Cojure, it's just an honest mistake and whatnot. < 1299791358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM < 1299791371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the Arcane Sentiment guy has good things to say about it; it's everyone involved with it who _isn't_ the language creator who's the problem. < 1299791383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, your hate gland is even more hyperactive than mine. < 1299791390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build your functions out of other clearly understandable functions that happen to be implemented recursively. This makes shit not mind-bending. < 1299791404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tail recursion is iteration, which is low-level. < 1299791411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-tail recursion is higher-level. < 1299791413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hating things is FUN < 1299791416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still not natural. < 1299791428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, tail recursion is definitely a low-level. < 1299791436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a totes low levels. < 1299791436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail recursion: All the flavor of recursion, but with no more fat than iteration! < 1299791454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can't believe it's not imperative! :P < 1299791466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY. Tomorrow I am buying RTK1 and maybe 3. Today, it turns out, that there is a level of sleep deprivation, at which it is impossible to use amazon.co.uk. < 1299791554 0 :treederwright!~wright@c-24-23-11-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299791562 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a esoteric room < 1299791585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1299791588 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299791602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: http://esolangs.org/ has more on our mystical order. < 1299791605 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? am i being asked if i'm a girl? i don't understand! < 1299791606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a channel, which is to say a particular partition of the communication through a network which are all tagged with a relevant channel identifier. It has no physical substance, and is as such not a room. < 1299791611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that right, brother oerjan. < 1299791620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! The Godly One Gregor speaketh towards us. < 1299791623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you should totally be stocking up on osmium rather than gold. < 1299791624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bow < 1299791631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better in like every way. < 1299791634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BOW < 1299791635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor speaketh of the mystical Multiplexing. Hallowed be the concept. < 1299791636 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im new here, but i am a member of esoteric orders < 1299791638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders the mystical wisdom of letting elliott being our welcoming committee < 1299791638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i've already cornered the market in osmium < 1299791644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P < 1299791647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1299791649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how much do you have? < 1299791650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1299791652 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here rosicrucian? < 1299791658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's that goat doing, any blood left in it yet < 1299791658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be < 1299791661 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a member of the tradition of the temple < 1299791664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: BAHAHAHA! Of course! < 1299791664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright, sure, I'll be one. < 1299791672 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: none. how much more is it worth than platinum? < 1299791676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: Doubtful; this is esoteric in the sense of esoteric programming languages, not in the sense of esotericism. < 1299791682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What? < 1299791686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You speaketh foul of our intents. < 1299791689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the @ next to his name and twiddles his thumbs. < 1299791691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, its cost per gram is about half that of gold. < 1299791700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Has't teou a malice in'st thou intention? < 1299791703 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: MEH < 1299791716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: O Decider < 1299791723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haþ neiþer malice nor ſlander in mine intents. < 1299791726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*But* it looks awesome, is the second-hardest and the densest metal, and can be used for chemical warfare in a pinch. < 1299791729 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1299791731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall but twiddle. < 1299791737 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in the wrong area < 1299791741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Habetis igitur verbum herba. < 1299791742 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for computer stuff < 1299791745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: Incorrect. < 1299791746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes you are :P < 1299791748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrongest. < 1299791753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright, computer esoterica! < 1299791753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for Rosicrucian only. < 1299791762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you even know what that *is*? < 1299791763 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299791763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please - ignore the misleaders. < 1299791765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: sadly we've never found a better irc channel to point people like you to < 1299791770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are intended only to filter out the True Believers. < 1299791772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do graph theory on pentagrams. < 1299791781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :P < 1299791785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, quick, prove something about the, < 1299791787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them. < 1299791789 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just amazed at your funniness < 1299791794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentagrams have four sides < 1299791794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Twiddle < 1299791796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1299791800 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this nick not taken! < 1299791802 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299791804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ALTERNATELY: stock up on iridium. < 1299791807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299791813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pentagram the circle of 5? < 1299791817 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: iridium is shit < 1299791820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a graph i mean < 1299791821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a charlie sheen quote < 1299791822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cycle < 1299791828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright, what're the dimensions of the matrix of solidity? < 1299791828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTER MY OCTAGON AND FACE MY MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1299791830 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hallo thar is no HackEgo and I can't bring it back up right now :P < 1299791837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: WHYYYYYYYY < 1299791856 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: My home router went kashits and I can't ssh in. < 1299791857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, NO IT ISN'T < 1299791871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright: the determinant of my matrix is 0 :< < 1299791877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WORST kind of solidity < 1299791881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the matrix of solidity square? Is it invertible? < 1299791886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not invertible! < 1299791887 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL NO EGOBOT EH < 1299791888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently oklopol's matrix is not invertible. < 1299791888 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL BE YOUR EIGENVECTOR < 1299791888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem < 1299791890 0 :treederwright!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299791895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOO < 1299791896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I hear there's new treatments nowadays for that kind of stuff. < 1299791902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo, the one person who could save us < 1299791903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from our < 1299791904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATRICES < 1299791905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF < 1299791905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLIDITY < 1299791906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1299791910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there just one big one < 1299791911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WILL NEVER FIND THE INVERSE OF OUR MATRIX OF SOLIDITY < 1299791925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perhaps all our matrices are submatrices of the matrix of solidity. < 1299791941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Residence of the Entrapments of the Matrix of Solidity | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299791942 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you living in a post-singularity world? < 1299791956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The Residency of the Entrapments of the Matrix of Solidity | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299791959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, IRIDIUM KICKS PLATINUM'S ASS < 1299791981 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: platinum is a metal. it doesn't have an ass. < 1299792002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Certain samples of platinum possess an ass. < 1299792009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And iridium can kick the ass of such samples. < 1299792036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, um, but, yeah, surely if you're stocking up on precious metals for your crazy survivalist plans you should at least use one with *some* practical application once civilisation collapses. < 1299792068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There won't exactly be much demand for catalytic converters. < 1299792073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Iron! < 1299792088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get skill at smithing. < 1299792124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yeah, but iridium is basically like diamond in Minecraft. < 1299792138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really hard and it's very resistant to corrosion. < 1299792159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dream of a day where every physical object is explained in terms of Minecraft. < 1299792166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including activities such as "mining". < 1299792178 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the precious metals are only to be used as portable trade items. the most important feature such a metal can have is rarity. < 1299792190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, iridium is effing rare. < 1299792202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're arguing with a guy who prioritises trade of meaningless goods over survival in a post-apocalyptic scenario. < 1299792202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, iridium makes gold look like candy. < 1299792205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no reasoning to take place. < 1299792228 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what. < 1299792235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mine three tons every year. Total. < 1299792239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, iridium is found *in platinum deposits*. < 1299792242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wasn't that the thing you were saying. < 1299792244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was you. < 1299792247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not have been you. < 1299792260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*In trace amounts.* < 1299792286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iridium is quite pretty. < 1299792290 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, no. in a post-apocalyptic scenario a portable trade good is not exactly top priority. highest priority is food shelter clean water guns and ammunition :P < 1299792300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like a ring made out of iridium or something. < 1299792304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes, and iridium is actually *useful* there. < 1299792314 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299792316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want one made of osmium because it has an awesome colour. < 1299792326 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: where can i buy iridium coins *now*? < 1299792333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why guns, perfect time to start an anarcho-syndicalist commune :P < 1299792344 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299792348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except then I found out that its oxide is really toxic and forms from air. But then I found somewhere else saying that it was perfectly safe as a solid. < 1299792350 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to defend the anarcho-socialist commune from people with guns < 1299792364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but what if EVERYONE starts their own commune of one < 1299792365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THEN < 1299792387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then i'd be in my own commune of one < 1299792388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Osmium_cluster.jpg < 1299792390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sexy. < 1299792395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, http://www.advent-rm.com/materials/Iridium.htm < 1299792398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do want ring. < 1299792399 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think you could have worked this out on your own) < 1299792400 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1299792416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately go for osmium because it's also pretty hard and unreactive enough. < 1299792420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And looks awesome. < 1299792424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the rarest thing that's rare < 1299792442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the rarest elements are all ultra-radioactive and hence worthless. < 1299792450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome < 1299792457 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*delicious < 1299792467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, you can only get a few atoms in a lump of uranium ore. < 1299792496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rarest thing that isn't super-radioactive :-P < 1299792502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1299792507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iridium is extremely rare. < 1299792514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as rare as happiness. < 1299792519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, more specifically, http://www.advent-rm.com/catalogue/lines.aspx?criteria=material&materialid=20 < 1299792527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really hard to machine, though. < 1299792538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn they pricey. < 1299792546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 3 elements rarer than iridium on Earth. < 1299792547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's get the £1,110 one. < 1299792553 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1299792555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhenium, ruthenium, rhodium. < 1299792556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.40 g/m, 2m < 1299792557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...it doesn't list prices. < 1299792561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 mm diameter < 1299792565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...click a product line number < 1299792567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.advent-rm.com/catalogue/items.aspx?criteria=line&linenumber=IR5248 < 1299792567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1299792567 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£1309 for one coin? < 1299792567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG < 1299792568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRICES < 1299792571 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hardly tradeable < 1299792575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 0.5 isn't much there's more < 1299792577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thickest < 1299792579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.25 looks like < 1299792582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thickness vs diameter < 1299792584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exempting highly unstable elements) < 1299792598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Dude, *gold* isn't even that tradable. < 1299792603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell discs. < 1299792608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what's tradable? Canned goods. < 1299792614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.advent-rm.com/catalogue/items.aspx?criteria=line&linenumber=IR1619 < 1299792616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one is most expensive < 1299792617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buy it < 1299792624 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what goes bad in a year? canned goods. < 1299792647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everything collapses, people aren't going to *give a shit* about shiny. < 1299792651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not always a year. but they lose nutritional value after at least a few) < 1299792683 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, it's not that it's shiny. it's that it is portable and has a long-established value association. < 1299792694 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, tools and useful goods are best for trade < 1299792694 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299792701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you don't have anything that person needs < 1299792704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, http://www.platinumgroupmetals.org/ < 1299792719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also possesses no innate use when you're fighting for your life. < 1299792739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium is the second-cheapest, after ruthenium. < 1299792752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're looking too far ahead < 1299792788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're being far too optimistic in your assessment of a worst-case scenario. < 1299792791 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's most valuable during the apocalypse. the transition period immediately after fiat money becomes valueless but stores still have wares to sell < 1299792802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think stores will still be operated post-apocalypse? < 1299792803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm looking as far as "I want some of this, screw the apocalypse." < 1299792803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L O L < 1299792814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankyoucomeagain < 1299792827 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that have guns and valuable stuff for survival will < 1299792833 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they'll run out of stuff < 1299792839 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but later stores will happen again < 1299792842 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are people < 1299792843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Hah. No. They'll be fucked. < 1299792846 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they do < 1299792852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the book of shitty unrealistic libertarian fantasies you took this from :) < 1299792860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stores will happen again...sure < 1299792872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fiat money goes away, expect looting. < 1299792873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but day 3 after the apocalypse, nobody's gonna be running that store. < 1299792877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends entirely on the kind of apocalypse. < 1299792883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on. revolutions cause major looting. < 1299792886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apocalypse... < 1299792889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's nuclear, say, nothing's going to happen. < 1299792897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heck, just a sufficiently bad natural disaster does it. < 1299792903 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain to me exactly how someone with a warehouse full of guns and enough people to defend it couldn't profit immensely by continuing to operate after economic collapse? < 1299792904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. $67 per gram of osmium. < 1299792912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1299792913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Enough people to defend it". < 1299792913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS GUNS GUNS < 1299792922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone had guns everyone would live in liberty and peace and equality < 1299792929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vs. a market price of $400 per troy ounce which comes to... < 1299792931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're assuming the store owner has a small army. < 1299792933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the core of every libertarian nutjob fantasy < 1299792935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 400/23 < 1299792935 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17.391304347826086 < 1299792947 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. and when you have a warehouse filled with guns and most people have knives, that's probably not very many. < 1299792947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait. < 1299792952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will continue to do so when the average person has *no currency*. < 1299792959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS < 1299792962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAREHOUSES FILLED WITH GUNS < 1299792963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMMO < 1299792965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY PRIVATE ARMIES < 1299792968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY WAREHOUSES < 1299792969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS < 1299792971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 400/31 < 1299792972 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12.903225806451612 < 1299792979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even *less* reasonable. < 1299792980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this apocalypse involve the destruction of mathematics? < 1299792980 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299792981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, please, people will loot Walmart first. < 1299792984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YES. < 1299792987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. < 1299792988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all graphs will be destroyed. < 1299792992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1299792996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is this market it's $400/ozt? < 1299792996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the infinite ones?! < 1299792998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's ok < 1299793001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you get to make them up all over again < 1299793002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on? < 1299793009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1299793011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that idea! < 1299793012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: on? < 1299793014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean oz < 1299793014 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure. that'll get five people 20 rifles a piece. there will still be demand. < 1299793017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brought a little tear in my eye < 1299793021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS GUNS GUNS < 1299793022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUUUUNS < 1299793023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUNS < 1299793028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And no currency. < 1299793030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cause the apocalypse and it will all be yours < 1299793031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, I mean which market does it cost that on? < 1299793032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GUNS < 1299793038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THE EXPENSIVE SHIT MARKET < 1299793042 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly. < 1299793048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, that's the thing! < 1299793053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *cheap*! < 1299793056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ;P < 1299793057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1299793066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299793066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Frugal Buyers of Expensive Shit Market. < 1299793068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And the owner of all these guns isn't going to care about your shiny rocks. < 1299793069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuns. < 1299793072 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299793073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Guns guns guns guns guns guns guns. < 1299793075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guns. < 1299793078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1299793079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Food, sure. But shiny rocks? < 1299793084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299793084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that good for, slingshot ammo? < 1299793085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to add later) < 1299793104 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299793110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seriously confused here. < 1299793117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guns. < 1299793121 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe. maybe not. at the very least, it will be worth recognizably more than slips of cotton. < 1299793122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is that figure just plucked from the air? < 1299793124 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299793125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299793131 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299793141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Okay, true, it will possess more worth than fiat currency. < 1299793141 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that the apocalypse is May 21, so you've got to work fast here too. < 1299793149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was not Lucidending... OR WAS I? (No, seriously, I wasn't.) http://gaw.kr/fchwHH" --Adrian Shit < 1299793152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I doubt worth *much* more. < 1299793157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about a graph that's complete in EVERY topology? < 1299793157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why the Internet Thinks I Faked Having Cancer on a Message Board" < 1299793163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article is going to be so, so classy. < 1299793168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So classy I can't help but read it. < 1299793171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the fiat currency would, in this hypothetical, be devoid of any use except burning and novelty. < 1299793175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: May 21? < 1299793179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*21st? < 1299793196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll leave you with this thought, have to go now tho < 1299793196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But for the rest, here is the story of how a dumb late-night joke tweet led one of the Internet's largest message boards to believe I am a horrible person." You are, but ha ha, I was rigt, Phantom_Hoover was wrong, I'm so tired, fuidjklvck < 1299793197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in the case of metal coins, smelting. < 1299793199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah. < 1299793207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMELT EVERYTHING IN A FURNACE WITH COAL < 1299793210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMELT LOGS INTO MORE COAL < 1299793231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: name something else that is small, useful post-apocalypse, highly valuable, and does not lose value over time. < 1299793241 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299793247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, what terminally ill person would spend even one of his last hours answering questions on a message board? (And why Reddit, when 4chan would have come up way more interesting questions?)" < 1299793251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. 4chan ask interesting questions. < 1299793253 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spy a jix < 1299793260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a factual thing that is known to be a true factual fact which is true. < 1299793284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit has no value and thus doesn't lose any, is useful for getting rid off and can be small. it's not highly valuable though. < 1299793297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are plenty of reasons for this differential, but chief among them is Reddit's female problem. The board, with its ridiculous "Men's Rights" forum, often displays what one twitter user calls "loony anti-woman rage." Lucidending was a dude." < 1299793298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't have all the answers < 1299793299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god. < 1299793306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN CREATE A SUBREDDIT, REDDIT IS THE SEXIST < 1299793308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Name to me anything that is small, *useful post-apocalypse*, highly valuable, and does not lose value over time. < 1299793328 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. i added that because you insisted that any valuable trade good be useful < 1299793337 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore you must say what such thing exists < 1299793371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can throw shit at your enemy? < 1299793376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you know about how crazy people are; what on earth is that $400/ozt figure coming from? < 1299793383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's show 'em < 1299793386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ll < 1299793388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sorry, but most commodities tend to lose value over time. But *oh well*, because commodities can be obtained later when shit stables out. < 1299793428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And the simple fact is, if all hell breaks loose, mere hypothetical value is the furthest thing from people's minds. < 1299793441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct, immediate use is all that's relevant. < 1299793445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah people will start checking all the graphs are intact < 1299793447 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can't name anything better for a long-lasting stockpile than gold? (long-lasting meaning i won't immediately start consuming it) < 1299793458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't have time for silly things like that < 1299793460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, OSMIUM < 1299793473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, you'd probably have better luck storing some water. < 1299793473 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: all hell doesn't last very long. people start asserting control a lot quicker than you would expect < 1299793483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Especially* if you're in, say, Arizona. < 1299793511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah once you've checked a few small graphs, you can get the rest by induction < 1299793514 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i would start consuming water immediately. because, you know, it goes bad and stuff. < 1299793517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can try to put out the fires < 1299793520 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1299793525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then onto groups prolly < 1299793533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON OSMIUM < 1299793563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those free ones are so damn fickle < 1299793580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, that thing has iridium pegged at a lower price than rhodium. < 1299793589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's complete fantasy. < 1299793618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, rhodium production is over 8 times that of iridium. < 1299793625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are rodeos built out of rhodium < 1299793634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes they are. < 1299793636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Rhodew. < 1299793639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Rhodes < 1299793646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this all makes sense. < 1299793650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can learn more tomorrow -> < 1299793689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I'm consuming water that's been around for billions of years. < 1299793710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what do complete graphs have to do with topologies < 1299793784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn just too late < 1299793812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiuhduiwhuiuihhudhuidhnffhdhrhfhghfhjdndjkj < 1299793817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inveny lNGUAG wher is word < 1299793824 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're drinking water that's recently been purified. < 1299793852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- never too late for topology! < 1299793857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1299793857 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299793861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water filters might be a good commodity to have. afaik, they don't go bad until you start using them. < 1299793875 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NEVER PLAYED IT, JUST GOD OF WAAAAAAARRRRR! < 1299793885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$261 for 5g of osmium on eBay. < 1299793889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the usual meaning of complete graph does not involve any afaik < 1299793891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: what < 1299793893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a fifth of a millilitre. < 1299793921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who know's though? < 1299793922 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmium? i thought there was some indie-game by that name. < 1299793924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klsdf < 1299793926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knows < 1299793929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with me < 1299793931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299793934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas, nah, it's a metal. < 1299793941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDIE GAMES? O U MEAN LIEK MINDKRAFT < 1299793950 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and braid < 1299793953 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and world of goo < 1299793957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299793959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindkratf. < 1299793962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looking it up there's a $99/1.43g thing. < 1299793962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats some sense into oklopol -----### < 1299793963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only indaie gaiom < 1299793975 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINDKRAFT Y U HAVE NO FANCY GRAPHICS? < 1299793979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myenekflcrafkt < 1299793991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have to go now, no matter HOW topology. < 1299793992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: TOTES PREEMPTIVELY BANNED FROM #ESOTERIC-MINECRAFT < 1299793996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAN BAN BAN < 1299794013 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes! < 1299794017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban ban ban < 1299794084 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I like, adopt 10 kittens and dress them in hipster clothes and make nice youtube videos to wash away my sins? < 1299794120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: you can do everything up to the word "make" < 1299794128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it starts getting tricky < 1299794149 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh %) < 1299794172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: you'd need to craft a youtube video first < 1299794175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the latter part is obviously incompatible with the former < 1299794202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 10g for £215. < 1299794206 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to craft a youtube video, I'll first have to craft the universe < 1299794210 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then create youtube in it < 1299794213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1299794217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft needs apple pie. < 1299794223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the volume of a ring is. < 1299794225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to craft a universe, enter it, and then make apple pie. < 1299794245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's an abstract algebraic object. it has no volume, duh, you can't say how loud it is! < 1299794251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enters the Mandatory Swatting Booth < 1299794265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION performs the Mandatory Swatting -----### < 1299794275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries a little, walks out < 1299794338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes a height of 1mm. < 1299794359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT HIM < 1299794362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi*0.1**3)/6 < 1299794363 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.235987755982989e-4 < 1299794389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HE'S THE PERFECT SIZE < 1299794397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, what timezone are you in now, when are you going to sleep :D < 1299794407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to get a hold on ØST < 1299794423 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299794429 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299794448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :optbot < 1299794464 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299794481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's important for meterological purposes < 1299794489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus#Geometry < 1299794495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FIRST < 1299794553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm in UTC+1 < 1299794556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2*pi**2*10*0.5**2 < 1299794565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*pi**2*10*0.5**2 < 1299794566 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 49.34802200544679 < 1299794571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no i mean your 25-hour day timezone < 1299794581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when are you going to sleep/when did you get up, so i can calculate the true UTC offset >:D < 1299794588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50mm^3, then. < 1299794628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.05cm^3. < 1299794635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? It must be more than that... < 1299794646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in about [REDACTED] hours < 1299794669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.05 * 23 < 1299794670 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.1500000000000001 < 1299794671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT IS SO SECRET ABOUT THAT. I _will_ use IRC logs if necessary < 1299794691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally øst is norwegian for east < 1299794713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, that actually means you could get enough for a ring for a reasonable price. < 1299794740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you just want to make it a "challenge" < 1299794741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1299794774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very reasonable price, actually; £30 or so. < 1299794811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seriously? Sweet. < 1299794816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that, iridum or osmium < 1299794819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Which < 1299794822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium. < 1299794824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cooler one. < 1299794833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm not even hallucinating. < 1299794835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm still unclear as to its toxicity. < 1299794837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep-deprivation like this, I want to hallucinate. < 1299794843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: >_> HOW ABOUT THAT IRIDIUM EY < 1299794855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's in pellet form; actually making it ring-shaped would be much harder. < 1299794866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299794868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only been 30-31 hours < 1299794869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame :/ < 1299794877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanna see pink giraffes and stuff :( < 1299794929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melting it is not a easy task, given that it actually melts at a lower temperature than iron boils. < 1299794940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tips for inducing hallucinations after 30-31 hours of no sleep plz < 1299794947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it reacts with oxygen quite readily, complicating things even more. < 1299794951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Red Bull? < 1299794958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299794963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work. don't think there's any lying around though. < 1299794985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LSD? < 1299794989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents have a friend who knows about metalworking; perhaps I should ask her. < 1299795024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's the boring way < 1299795029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn all there is to know about metalworking for yourself instea < 1299795029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1299795031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insetad < 1299795032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead < 1299795038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't be much help. < 1299795061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why not < 1299795073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7x10x4 for my new and improvéd minecart station. < 1299795076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay me! < 1299795084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osmium is probably not amenable to standard techniques. < 1299795091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wrong chan lol < 1299795096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sweet < 1299795101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about iridium though < 1299795103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just out of curiosity < 1299795104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really hard, has a really high melting point and reacts readily. < 1299795106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyooriosity < 1299795108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qoorisoty < 1299795112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*qooriosity < 1299795113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, the mass would be almost the same. < 1299795133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less toxic? :P < 1299795142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how heavy would a ring of osmimsimsimsimum be? < 1299795146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is assuming my finger radius though, which is almost certainly greater than yours.) < 1299795177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GEE THANKS < 1299795179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 1.15g for a torus 2cm in diameter and 1mm in tube diameter. < 1299795188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REPEAT < 1299795189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GEE THANKS < 1299795203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, find out how wide your finger is and work it out. < 1299795230 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299795236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling my eeeeyes arouuuuund < 1299795243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i think that more than lack of seelp is required to hallucainte < 1299795248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: way too tired. < 1299795255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how wide is your finger? < 1299795261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wide i guess < 1299795267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1299795267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1299795268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wide at all < 1299795272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compared to like < 1299795272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atoms < 1299795282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1cm? < 1299795294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DUNNO < 1299795295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1299795296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 mm < 1299795311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSUMING 1cm BECAUSE IT SCALES EASILY < 1299795320 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hmms < 1299795323 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't HackEgo reconnect? < 1299795334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you just need < 1299795339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.15 / 4 < 1299795340 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.2875 < 1299795344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: because it doesn't love you any more < 1299795370 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's OK, I only used it for sex. < 1299795382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP HackEgo < 1299795445 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299795455 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299795490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1299795517 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd < 1299795543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299795551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1299795556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour code < 1299795557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1299795560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1299795562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stripped :P < 1299795678 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"matrix of solidity" < 1299795679 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love it < 1299795694 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795694 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299795702 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION >_> <_< < 1299795703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: you have broke. < 1299795708 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1299795708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -lh quotes < 1299795716 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1299795722 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 34K Mar 10 23:04 quotes < 1299795748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299795749 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :330) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1299795752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795754 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :331) <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795754 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... odd < 1299795761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twiddle: really i want to quote the entire treederwright exchange, but :) < 1299795762 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit moody :P < 1299795769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of solidity is good enough. < 1299795837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, looks like osmium tetroxide production is sufficient even in the solid that a ring would be inadvisable. < 1299795846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IRIDIUM < 1299795848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep '' quotes < 1299795850 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA,s < 1299795851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1299795853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also :( ) < 1299795855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you lose the awesome colour! < 1299795857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa. < 1299795860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does that even < 1299795865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: TRY IT FOR SCIENCE < 1299795882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's///g' quotes < 1299795883 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep '' quotes < 1299795888 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :D < 1299795910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what you tryin'a accomplish :D < 1299795927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive that it replaced ALL the empty strings in the quotes file with empty strings in finite time < 1299795929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: removing the color codes? < 1299795936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there aren't any < 1299795937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is +c < 1299795939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iridium would be doable, but probably more expensibe. < 1299795943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1299795957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am seeing lots of inverted H's < 1299795971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 331 < 1299795972 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1299795974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$143/4.4g. < 1299795978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795981 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :331) shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich < 1299795983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good? < 1299795984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: awesome < 1299795988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep '' quotes < 1299795990 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1299795996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems so < 1299796062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still disappointed that osmium is too reactive to use. < 1299796080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if and a los and kot < 1299796080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's great for osmosis < 1299796088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatioserjan < 1299796091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------#33333 < 1299796092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :456y < 1299796097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmoerjan. < 1299796101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299796104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmørjan < 1299796123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, how many hours of your day do you NOT spend on IRC, I ASK PURELY OUT OF _CURIOSITY_ < 1299796125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not out of science < 1299796141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iridium is off-white, though, rather than blue-grey. < 1299796163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Iridium2.jpg < 1299796165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try off-sexy. < 1299796175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Iridium-2.jpg ;; less so, but still pretty neat. < 1299796182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1299796202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really noticeable in ring form. < 1299796213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares, I want one. < 1299796224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN OERJAN WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN DOWN MY PROPOSAL < 1299796285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there're black gold alloys. < 1299796294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, they're cheating. < 1299796301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an oxide layer. < 1299796353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Iridium2.jpg ;; this in ring form i would totally love, but i fear that under different lighting it would look less impressive. < 1299796356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it'll always be shiny < 1299796359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT! < 1299796363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1299796364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you < 1299796364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Ruthenium_a_half_bar.jpg < 1299796366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what my ring's made out of < 1299796367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what? < 1299796369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iridium < 1299796370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bullshit < 1299796371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1299796389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: RUTHENIUM/IRIDIUM HYBRID < 1299796390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as expensive so you lose the bragging rights, though. < 1299796394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HMM < 1299796407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIGHTN'T WORK AS WELL AS YOU'D THINK < 1299796421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununoctium i want a ring made out of this < 1299796433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ooh wait, can i have a hydrogen ring < 1299796442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Stop being silly. < 1299796445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1299796446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS < 1299796449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it < 1299796460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RINGS MADE OUT OF PLATINUM GROUP METALS ARE THE ONLY ONES < 1299796494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ruthenium would require half the mass. < 1299796498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bismuth is the only metal. < 1299796521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bismuth crystals are cool but that wouldn't carry over to a ring, I suspect. < 1299796528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOESN'T MATTER. < 1299796535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Long story.) < 1299796559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now now, a sodium ring would also be hot stuff < 1299796561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe to say that I with others have retrieved a copy of the International Journal of Bismuth from a public library. < 1299796580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After being misheard for the far-more-reasonable-subject-for-a-journal "business".) < 1299796629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1g of ruthenium is a bit more expensive, but it's also a larger volume than osmium. < 1299796650 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over twice as much, in fact. < 1299796667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, as entertaining as silly rings are, I really ought to sleep. < 1299796679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3 Ring of Silliness < 1299796752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NOOO < 1299796754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP IS OVERRATED < 1299796806 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299796806 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | test < 1299796808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello optbot test < 1299796808 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: test < 1299796813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1299796817 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299796826 0 :optbot!~optbot@91.105.95.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299796826 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | hello: test < 1299796827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello optbot test < 1299796827 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hello: test < 1299796830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299796832 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299796837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return re.sub(r'^[a-zA-Z[\]\\`_^{|}][a-zA-Z0-9[\]\\`_^{|}]+:\s+', '', line) < 1299796840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY MY REGEXP IS INSUFFICIENT < 1299796845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dance that optbot is coming back < 1299796872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like the kind of regexp that gives you two problems < 1299796884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the valid chars in an irc name :) < 1299796887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, regexp. < 1299796891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sub-Turing tarpit. < 1299796909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's any better syntax for expressing regular expressions... < 1299796922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1299796934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299796940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heck, there might even be a _worse_ one < 1299796950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vomit* < 1299796972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pikhq wonders if there's any better syntax for expressing regular expressions... < 1299796973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl 6's < 1299796977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket's < 1299797001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i need your operopinion < 1299797008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | random line < 1299797012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was old optbot's format < 1299797029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you suggest I modify it, keeping in line with the fact that we now have two log links, and use /?C=M;O=D, and the fact that my logs aren't really the ENTIRE backlog, < 1299797034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that that prefix will be really long? < 1299797054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe putting the logs second? but it feels weird to have optbot's zaniness at the start :) < 1299797132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is a serious matter. respond. < 1299797134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were never entire anyway < 1299797145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, no, but close enough. < 1299797146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, < 1299797163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ < 1299797166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ridiculously long < 1299797185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 chars < 1299797204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about you put my log link in the chanserv welcome message so i can avoid that ;D < 1299797250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the chanserv welcome message is very noticable. < 1299797263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. put tunes there instead ;D < 1299797280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1299797315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with "Logs: " given it has to be short < 1299797344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I tried "logs: " but it's still quite long < 1299797350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : conn.write('TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | %s\r\n' % (random_line(),)) < 1299797373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm wait what if I used a url shortener... ais wouldn't click the links, but everyone else would < 1299797378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for just tunes, I mean) < 1299797385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not used to the whole topic showing in irssi top line anyway < 1299797400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a goo.gl one, because that's a name you can trust! < 1299797448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :template = 'logs: http://goo.gl/54yE4 and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | %s' < 1299797457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you find this acceptable? btw, i wouldn't care about the length, < 1299797460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that topics can get cut off < 1299797467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being too long < 1299797494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPICLEN = 390 < 1299797540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299797545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 301 chars is enough :) < 1299797555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just seems like it hides the optbot wisdom, yaknow < 1299797559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1299797744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION updates logs from hg, runs gen.py, uploads 90 meg file to server < 1299797748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the lines file) < 1299797775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 83 meg. < 1299797905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is said that he who holds the file of the lines holds the true secret to the Earth. < 1299798002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines 18% 15MB 51.8KB/s 22:10 ETA < 1299798004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should not be so slow... < 1299798012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm transferring ALL THE KNOWLEDGE. < 1299798077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1299798212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's going to be so relaxing not having to come up with witty topics all the time < 1299798221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we'll have that lovely predictable 6-hour clockwork schedule of topic changes < 1299798228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with optbot! if we ever don't like the current one < 1299798235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the blissful days. < 1299798292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pic, or not to pic < 1299798405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines 46% 39MB 44.7KB/s 16:41 ETA < 1299798414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you feel all the knowledge streaming across the tubes. < 1299798416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1299798449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT < 1299798479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now imagine THIS: when you were thirteen years old, transferring merely the sum total of our blabber that I am currently quickly zipping off to a remote server would be an expensive, unrealistic, and painfully slow endeavour, with a sneakernet solution being hundreds of times faster < 1299798486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm saying is: < 1299798492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) WOW, INTERNET, and < 1299798493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) YOU'RE OLD. < 1299798554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YKGOML < 1299798795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wut < 1299798814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFGI < 1299798816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299798823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, got nothing useful, but grokked it manually < 1299798877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it was a way down on the google page < 1299798897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as google insisted on suggesting "YNGEL" < 1299798927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which incidentally is precisely the kind of word a grumpy old norwegian might use to describe kids trespassing < 1299798929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1299798932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sleep ow < 1299798935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threshold for pain < 1299798937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowers < 1299798937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immsensely < 1299798938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1299798966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION compassionitates < 1299798988 0 :Twiddle!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1299798991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299799002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a chess program in TeX. < 1299799066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unexpected < 1299799139 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we can write a book about chess, by using TeX. < 1299799141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since he already mentioned starting it < 1299799161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in future i should use rsync to update this lines file. < 1299799182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still didn't finished, but I finished the part to parse move notations. Now it will parse all algebraic move notations correctly. < 1299799212 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Forsyth-Edwards Notation. < 1299799220 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you know Forsyth-Edwards Notation?) < 1299799281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 1949320 < 1299799281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try x264 with quantisation set to 0 < 1299799282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1299799297 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is that? < 1299799302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just appeared :D < 1299799316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299799321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my shell < 1299799330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1299799333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my debug :D < 1299799367 0 :optbot!~optbot@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299799368 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D and http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | yes, that must be done < 1299799376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot < 1299799376 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ais523, what'd he do? < 1299799386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ais did nothing < 1299799387 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you sure you aren't just living in a nice area? < 1299799392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I'm sure. ais would be nice anywhere. < 1299799393 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try timecube :P < 1299799399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That sounds ungood for my sanity. < 1299799399 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like the first one < 1299799402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What. < 1299799402 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I _think_ that Daeva has an attack that actually scratches test spawner, and ANtaeus doesn't < 1299799409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That's possible. < 1299799409 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wth is up with http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/what_foolishness_is_this.png < 1299799420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not to mention ais523's sanity. optbot is really testing you here. < 1299799420 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That would be a really useless program. < 1299799424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought oerjan pinged me there, i was very confused. < 1299799431 0 :rusopro!~rusopro__@186.60.1.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299799438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i did... < 1299799451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but < 1299799453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: wth is up with http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/what_foolishness_is_this.png < 1299799453 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that way it's as shitty as IE < 1299799456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that was you. < 1299799459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what's as shitty as IE? < 1299799460 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ;( < 1299799463 0 :rusopro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299799465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: don't be so opaque! < 1299799466 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: X_X < 1299799468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: STOP THAT < 1299799468 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, this time it seeds exactly twice at the start of the program < 1299799480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you just use Python's standard seeding mechanisms < 1299799480 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Proof: Imagine a regexp that executes, say, a single step of brainfuck except instead of [] you have | which pushes the code after it to a stack, ; which stops executing, : which pops off stack and executes, and ? which runs the next instruction iff !=0) < 1299799491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That's... not a proof of that at all. < 1299799491 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh. but that one runs on Parrot. fuck that. < 1299799497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: HEAR HEAR < 1299799497 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hah < 1299799500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ... < 1299799501 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you referring to the shape, or the placement? < 1299799505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: The shlacement. < 1299799505 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have my doubts < 1299799509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I know what I talk about. < 1299799509 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are the lengths known? < 1299799515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: They're TOO LONG TO KNOW. < 1299799516 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1299799521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Timecube. < 1299799521 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've done more that 20 bf-interpreters < 1299799529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Over 9000 BF interpreters. < 1299799530 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont actually want anything from think geek, but even so < 1299799535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Even so! < 1299799535 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well then let's use that. :) < 1299799539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Let's. < 1299799539 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Deewiant, ok but fix the core bugs first! < 1299799544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should be the space factors for chess notations? < 1299799547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: I'm not Deewiant! < 1299799547 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: } < 1299799552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: oerjan is Deewiant; bug him. < 1299799552 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the NNSSSNSNSNSSN line is the cube's code? < 1299799556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what < 1299799556 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but my numpad usage is a bad habit < 1299799559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ok < 1299799559 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What? < 1299799561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What? < 1299799562 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was it, btw? < 1299799563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: dunno < 1299799564 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just remember it < 1299799567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: huh < 1299799567 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Days, bah. I offer 3 days max wait ;) < 1299799570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your turn < 1299799572 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what size should chess icons on the board? < 1299799628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your obvious attempt to get me banned for spamming is doomed < 1299799652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um optbot conversations are exempt from all spamming rules < 1299799652 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: true < 1299799656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1299799667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo optbot < 1299799667 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot optbot < 1299799668 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or was it just... totally random byte values? < 1299799668 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no need. finding out the answer is a project i will have forgotten in a few days < 1299799671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn :) < 1299799677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot NEVER FORGETS < 1299799677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, thanks, also, i think it tries whether h reflects or something < 1299799680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo optbot < 1299799680 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DID YOU KNOW: bbc's online radio player is hell to get working on linux < 1299799683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1299799688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only fizzie can use that < 1299799688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo optbot < 1299799688 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i love pickled vaginas < 1299799691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299799699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hoped it would at least list it... < 1299799700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is you can't addquote anything optbot says because it just repeats :D < 1299799700 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I can't change it without changing the font size for ALL documents, including IRC, because it's the DEFAULT SIZE. < 1299799713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (optbot)S < 1299799713 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that makes sense when you're dealing with scalar values... but not values that are the combinations of scalars. < 1299799724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo optbot < 1299799724 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: vjn.fi, just follow the games link < 1299799736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a bad feeling about those two bots waking up. < 1299799741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really bother to rate-limit it. < 1299799767 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can do so by private message, then. < 1299799789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To send add quote) < 1299799801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean, everything optbot says is just a repeat < 1299799801 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |> < 1299799805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quoting it would be starnge < 1299799835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm torn between trying out optbot! and the fact that I like this topic < 1299799836 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've yet to shave :D < 1299799839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299799840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299799849 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then figure out how often it repeat...... < 1299799860 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1299799861 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: there's a shortcut for that < 1299799864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1299799869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, HackEgo is undumb < 1299799870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is EgoBot? < 1299799872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Gregor Gregor < 1299799874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLE DANGER < 1299799903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do YOU think < 1299799930 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: write me a js implementation in checkout. i need to have full-featured 3D javascript games. < 1299799939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ask optbot to do that. < 1299799939 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it gives you a bit more appreciation for what Windows actually gets right < 1299799941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1299799943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, PH < 1299799945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you kids come after optbot < 1299799946 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's how it is < 1299799953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the most bitching thing ever and now it's back, hi5 optbot < 1299799953 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought they would drop the + operator, since it's not in most pi calculus conventions < 1299799962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs optbot < 1299799963 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no idea what "Programming languages are usually designed to prevent unintended ELIZA effects by restricting keywords and carefully avoiding potential misinterpretations" means < 1299799965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK < 1299799981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i do not think either of the bots reacts without the correct prefix < 1299799993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1299799997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so optbot can't actually loop non-babblers < 1299799998 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe #5 should be Hesse's "Glass Bead Game" < 1299800001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only babbler, fungot, blocks it < 1299800001 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1299800001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1299800010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1299800012 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :332) elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1299800045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: So what do you think of fungot? < 1299800045 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The english translation is complicated < 1299800054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot fungot < 1299800054 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's like INTERCAL, only the bits you actually try to run have to make sense < 1299800054 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tail recursion goes without saying though. the original paper on twobit, too. < 1299800056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: True, its... translation... is a bit "complicated". < 1299800057 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and key features < 1299800061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What are fungot's key features? < 1299800061 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is why I like atimes < 1299800061 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something a bit " messy" ( eg. keep precision when adding, subtracting or multiplying) wasnt executed at all. < 1299800064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What < 1299800064 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hm. < 1299800066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Hm. < 1299800066 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ehird, YES! < 1299800069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: NO! < 1299800069 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: norway, sweden or denmark would be nice. < 1299800071 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot fungot < 1299800077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Secret oerjan sympathiser! < 1299800077 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oklocod, it is the fruit of a type of tree < 1299800087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: So *that's* what the famous oklocod is! < 1299800087 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ISO-standard Lisp X-D < 1299800090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know why it ignored you. < 1299800091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1299800092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot < 1299800093 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or was it a modified fastcall? < 1299800094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot x < 1299800095 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on a new string < 1299800098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, should work < 1299800106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so sympathetic < 1299800115 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know why it ignored me. I put a CTRL+O in the middle of the words. < 1299800122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1299800135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: How what the of it's only? < 1299800135 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'll implement arithmetic while yo udo < 1299800146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1299800146 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and isn't ifdeffed out either < 1299800160 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229031202.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299800182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and thus oerjan's punnes terribáles bot was reborn. < 1299800191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What, it was OerjansTerriblePuns -> otpbot -> optbot.) < 1299800191 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: besides you can do it even in C89, using nested parens < 1299800207 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbotfungot < 1299800207 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or if you are < 1299800241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't cannibáles < 1299800247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if I am what? < 1299800334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: talk to optbot. he's really friendly. < 1299800335 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also the subtitle pun < 1299800361 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299800386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( you are making him sad. < 1299800403 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299800446 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299800446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: are you sad? < 1299800447 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because most roguelike games on public servers are streamed over telnet < 1299800458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: how awful! < 1299800458 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: first_input=input[1]; do mid[first_input,5,8] to [sub:ret]; Length(sub); i guess < 1299800474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yeah that would do it. < 1299800474 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but seriously, just use sprite fonts < 1299800484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: NO. NO SPRITES: < 1299800484 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ignoring the fact that i changed my name to RatherUnnecessar to try and test it < 1299800485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1299800505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: well what that necess... oh. < 1299800505 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when I was your age... < 1299800508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1299800518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot -- older than oerjan. < 1299800518 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure what your concern is < 1299800520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN MY AGE < 1299800520 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: .pid file seems the easiest. < 1299800527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: optbot never lies. < 1299800527 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when I used it (I was young and innocent, I didn't know better!) < 1299800534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just finished easily my most complicated soda syrup batch yet. < 1299800564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: _and_ it didn't bring about the end of civilization! < 1299800580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have gum arabic now. < 1299800602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm sure that is a restricted substance, just by the name < 1299800613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Arab's Gum. < 1299800637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gum arabic is a somewhat outdated name for what is also called gum acacia. < 1299800644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's usually made in the Indian subcontinent :P < 1299800668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those filthy arabs, stealing gum and numbers < 1299800716 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299800735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what do you think of OPTBOT < 1299800737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot. < 1299800737 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah yeah < 1299800765 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the arab numbers. i like the modern english number much better < 1299800799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot gazes disapprovingly, quintopia. < 1299800799 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See my code you learn how the string functions help and how ES segment is used and so on < 1299800813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even modern English are based on the Hindu-Arabic digits, I think. < 1299800821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep 'See my code you learn how the string functions help and how ES segment is used and so on' * < 1299800822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.11.27:13:03:39 elliott: See my code you learn how the string functions help and how ES segment is used and so on < 1299800851 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: modern american is based on british english too, but that doesn't mean that american isn't so much betterer! < 1299800854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Out of context it does not mean much. < 1299800872 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I didn't say anything was better or not. < 1299800892 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, different people have different opinion what is much better English language) < 1299800921 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 is the best dialect < 1299801048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1299801116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *betterest < 1299801265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the real tangible advantage of quattuorsexagesimal computer systems? it seems like they are not strictly faster than duotrigesimal systems on average... < 1299801581 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a good point size and square size for pieces on a chess board?