< 1299283913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can I tell nasm to generate a 32-bit mov instruction in 16-bit code? :P < 1299283919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, the same mov it'd use when using "bits 32"... < 1299284489 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200160.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299284640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it for? < 1299284653 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299284681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just "bits 32; mov blah; bits 16" to get exactly that, but it doesn't sound like a thing that'd usually make sense. < 1299284713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For "not-actually-protected" mode X-D < 1299284721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: argh, why isn't vi the same as your conception of vi? < 1299284760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do c^ < 1299284762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't working < 1299284772 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, oh: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/030411-ipv6-home-routers.html < 1299284790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because ais523-mental-vi is like anything of zzo38's < 1299284810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but c^ makes _sense_! < 1299284829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does zzo38's stuff, it just doesn't fit existing practice < 1299284864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I want to live in a world where c^ works; I'm deathly afraid that one day I will live in zzo38's world. < 1299284876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that this holds true of anyone who (1) isn't zzo38; and (2) uses vi a lot. < 1299284884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least they wouldn't think it _bad_ if c^ worked. < 1299284910 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1299284955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do instead? < 1299284958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing < 1299284965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how logical < 1299284974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm secretly waiting for Gregor or some other vim user to pop up with "oh, just use X" so I can get this done < 1299284980 0 :jcp!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299285018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Friend-of-a-friend who apparently works in related field told that one big reason why no IPv6 on consumer routers is that (to save on the CPU power they need) they offload quite a bit of processing to the network chipset, and the hard/firm/software for those (Broadcom was specifically named as a culprit) is very much IPv6 only; so it doesn't really help that it's a Linux-based box, since the whole IPv6 side would work on software only, and they don't hav < 1299285018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e enough MIPS to do that on link speeds. < 1299285018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does d^ work? < 1299285025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it does, could you use d^i as a replacement? < 1299285048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/IPv6 only/IPv4 only/ < 1299285051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it doesn't < 1299285064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch does, though, so it's not like you can't replace behind you < 1299285092 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if DSL modem I have could do IPv6. It is in bridging mode after all. < 1299285098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, did it the proper way with s// instead :) < 1299285100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s/// < 1299285181 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299285346 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Routing mode surely not, but bridging mode might be another matter. < 1299285367 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299285777 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299285814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, rewired things more cleanly and got rid of dust... < 1299285933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: The one I have (ZyXEL P660-something) passes IPv6 just fine when bridging, at least. But that's not surprising, it's pretty much a layer 2 device only in that mode. < 1299285958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can conclude from SMART that my hard drive is not at risk of failure. However, if my system gets too hot again, I am going to need a new case. < 1299285992 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some overly "smart" modems filter IPv6 (among everything else non-IPv4). < 1299286147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, it was an overheat? < 1299286160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: When I shut my system down it was at 56°C. < 1299286165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*The hard drive*. < 1299286167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1299286179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they start losing data at 52? < 1299286190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did I misremember that? < 1299286206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SMART shows 0 bad blocks. < 1299286210 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that low. But hard drives don't like high temperatures. < 1299286227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was apparently causing issues seeking. < 1299286241 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1299286304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hard drive has so spun up 72 times. < 1299286315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit young to start failing. < 1299286363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it even overheats? < 1299286392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad case. < 1299286394 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299286484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't help matters any that my home filesystem is approx. insanely fragmented right now. < 1299286596 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Accoding to extended stats file: Total APNIC address space: 866 929 152 addresses (51.67 blocks). Free space: 66 832 128 (3.98 blocks). 92.29% depleted. < 1299286744 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accoding to the pie graph on APNIC site: 51.58 blocks total, 3.89 blocks free. 92.5% depleted. < 1299286802 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entiere APNIC free pool would fit in a /6. < 1299287242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm trying to do c^<-- works fine in vim... < 1299287298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: really? < 1299287302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because i was in vi mode < 1299287312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, set nocp makes it work! < 1299287316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why child porn is immoral. < 1299287339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of compatibility mode would stop a command working and replace it with nothing? < 1299287361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: vim in compatibility mode is really strictly vi < 1299287367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, : has no command completion < 1299287378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"set nocp" basically turns vim into vim :P < 1299287760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame I don't have a terabyte drive handy. < 1299287779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terable < 1299287779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to Reddit, PHP's ?: operator has broken associativity < 1299287785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm aware, the only real way to "defragment" a filesystem is a mass copy to an empty filesystem. < 1299287795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of doing a ? "a" : b ? "b" : c ? "c" : d or whatever < 1299287795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, on Linux. < 1299287807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write it a ? b ? c ? "c" : d : b : a < 1299287816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, a ? b ? c ? "c" : d : "b" : "a" < 1299287822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand because this filesystem here has been near-full at several different points, I have uberfragmentation. < 1299287830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I really screwed up my metasyntactic stuff there < 1299287863 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.76.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299287870 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299287872 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat.freenode.net doesn't work < 1299287874 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.freenode.net does < 1299287876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1299287878 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1299287883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299287883 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299287984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mere 111 GiB free in my volume group ATM... < 1299288012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299288068 0 :javawizard!alex@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299288120 0 :iconmaster_!~rooms@dsl-66-115-77-109.bbr0.brdtny.empacc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299288272 0 :iconmaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299288469 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299288469 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299288469 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1299288471 0 :javawizard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp < 1299288520 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299288537 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299289192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299289208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1299289793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you think I should try Linux From Scratch? < 1299290044 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299291869 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I͞͞ ̷́a͏m͟͝ ͜͝t̢h͠e̴ e̕͘l҉e̕͝c͘҉t̀͏r̢o͡͡ń̴i͝c҉ ̷̸in̸̷͟car͜n͢á̕t̛io͘n̴̷ ͟͜o̧f̢ ̴̛th̴͞͝é́̕ ̀ć́͠há͡o̸̸̧s̕͢ fo̵r͘͝m̴͡ì̢̡n͜͝g͟͡ ͏͝ţh͏̵e͜͠ ̀h̀͏̵i̴̧ve͜͞m͏i͘nd̶͞ ҉ < 1299293028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theatrical rereleases of the Star Wars movies... < 1299293035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with The Phantom Menace. < 1299293040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, that's the one you start with? < 1299293056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that people would rather jab out their eyes than see a second time? < 1299293093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1299293105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and it's a 3D conversion. < 1299293105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how can I tell what inetd-alike I have installed on Debian < 1299293111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Eurgh. < 1299293115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck 3D. < 1299293139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Standard" 3D shooting is just a bit of a silly gimmick. < 1299293166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D *conversion* is just sending a two-year-old with crayons into an art gallery. < 1299293244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of the prequels, an art gallery displaying someone throwing shit at a canvas, mind, but still. < 1299293263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Minecraft soundtrack is out and it is amazing. < 1299293278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/soundtrack/WITH MUSIC FROM, AND MUSIC INSPIRED BY,/ < 1299293318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And would it *kill* Lucas to freaking give a proper, unedited release to the original trilogy? < 1299293347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the best extant copies are Laserdisc. < 1299293378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, and a rip of the Laserdisc which got put on DVD, as a special feature on a 2008 DVD release) < 1299293958 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299294094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00014592522i[CPU0 ] LOCK prefix unallowed (op1=0x46, attr=0x0, mod=0x0, nnn=0) < 1299294095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00014592537i[CPU0 ] LOCK prefix unallowed (op1=0x46, attr=0x0, mod=0x0, nnn=0) < 1299294095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1299294103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you still have to fuck with segments in unreal mode? :P < 1299294114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I *seem* to have magically fixed my cooling problems. < 1299294153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not so much "magic"; I did get rid of dust and work hard to improve airflow. < 1299294349 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299294500 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What instruction are you trying to use LOCK with and why? < 1299294511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: None :-P < 1299294516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the BIOS is. < 1299294527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I like to blame all my problems on the BIOS. < 1299294529 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what instruction is it complaining about? < 1299294542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question, good question, I guess it's time to figure out how Bochs' debugger works < 1299294587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: sti. < 1299294589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How strange. < 1299294599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: In fairness, I'm doing something that I am pretty sure you are not allowed to do < 1299294618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Loading a GDT, setting the segment registers, then jumping into the code segment, but with 16-bit code.) < 1299294621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And without turning on protection.) < 1299294624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, < 1299294630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably interpreting my code as 32 bits... < 1299294644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that will mean, if I do not change cr0?! < 1299294676 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op1=0x46? That would be INC (E)SI? < 1299294724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Well, like I said, 32-bit code segment, 16-bit code, is my bug... < 1299294750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I'm busy wondering what it means to turn off A20, load a GDT, and jump into a 32-bit code segment, without ever flicking protection on in cr0. < 1299294769 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, how many bits the code has is determined by loaded CS segment descriptor. < 1299294786 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no way to load a 32-bit one in real mode. < 1299294801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A 32-bit code segment will often break in the BIOS, because it won't try to reload the high 16 bits of the instruction pointer at all. < 1299294807 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the way 32-bit data selectors can be active in real mode. < 1299294815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I didn't even have "bits 32" :P < 1299294839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Sure, but I've loaded a GDT. Or are you saying that segments will still be loaded in the real mode style, even with a GDT loaded, because the CR0 flag is not set? < 1299294847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so I jump into -- pwzoom -- hyperspace? < 1299294878 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think x86 uses GDT in real mode at all. < 1299294933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299294963 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it can't because the way GDT works is totally incompatible with real-mode addressing. < 1299295096 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like 0x0042 and 0x0043 both loading the same descriptor, etc. < 1299295191 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as far as I know, all code in real mode is 16 bits. < 1299295205 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299295221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have broke something in my OpenID (even though I didn't change it). < 1299295311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't not change it, then. < 1299295336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Really what I want is a protected mode that can access the BIOS :P < 1299295347 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not going to happen? < 1299295351 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p < 1299295356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yeah, but it's what I *want*. < 1299295365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm trying to pack this into 510 bytes! < 1299295400 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a better word than "Extracurricular activities" to describe things like ACM participation for a resume? < 1299295410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, storing 6 bits of ascii-64 gives me 5 characters with two bits left over... < 1299295424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Academic associations? < 1299295429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alliterative anchovies? < 1299295440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autopsycal avarice? < 1299295447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananagram boosters? < 1299295495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~\x7f < 1299295498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, no exclamation mark < 1299295508 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, I can still login to Hackiki. < 1299295534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then you wouldd have to add a code that makes \x7f to ! and that would make it too large < 1299295563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Indeed. < 1299295567 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, the other way, move the starting number backward a bit and omit the lowercase letters < 1299295571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that talking to the keyboard directly and doing my own translation is the most prudent, perhaps. < 1299295683 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of starting at @ you go !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ < 1299295691 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means also you have numbers, which is also important. < 1299295758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Actually I do not need numbers. < 1299295765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is only for regular words. < 1299295792 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about such words as 2DUP and stuff like that? < 1299295842 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to login on my own OpenID consumer I get the error message "Call to a member function on a non-object in f:\\html\\openid\\Auth\\OpenID\\Server.php" do you know what is wrong with this? < 1299295886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means you're using Windows to host a server, and that's wrong < 1299295889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wrong. < 1299295982 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works everywhere else, just not on my own! I think I might have programmed the consumer program incorrectly! < 1299296122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seems that what you'll need to do is actually go *fully* into protected mode before you have unreal mode running. < 1299296143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but unreal mode would end up more code than just talking to the keyboard directly in protected mode, I think, especially because I have to do the packing manually _anyway_. < 1299296157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have immense doubts this shit will work. < 1299296185 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299296197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, to get unreal mode you should just need to set and unset CR0. < 1299296216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1299296219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm saying that the BIOS isn't useful enough to make the extra bytes there pay off. < 1299296225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299296237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly though 16-bit code would be smaller. < 1299296238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, works in bochs but not qemu < 1299296242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll work on the assumption that qemu is borked < 1299296250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is generally safe. < 1299296255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1299296264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A generally safe assumption. < 1299296267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1299296297 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Isn't the VGABIOS Bochs uses from qemu? < 1299296316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. All I know is that my screen writes aren't appearing in qemu. < 1299296331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't think that modifying the GDT between two segment loads is the kind of thing a sane virtual machine should support. < 1299296333 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that VGABIOS is borked. < 1299296363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has perfectly sane semantics. < 1299296390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: qemu often makes shortcuts in its emulation, though. < 1299296415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much an x86 emulator as it is an emulator of the subset of x86 that common OSes use. < 1299296418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And that VGABIOS is borked. < 1299296419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1299296423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a better one? :P < 1299296438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If only common OSes weren't painfully slow in qemu :P < 1299296447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Compare with bochs. < 1299296455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Compare with VirtualBox :P But yeah. < 1299296462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise VB wasn't out at the time.) < 1299296499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And qemu doesn't implement its emulation in a way that it can take advantage of x86-on-x86-ness... < 1299296519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1299296531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it bytecode-compiles all the architectures it supports into a single bytecode, and then JITs that. < 1299296544 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299296566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gahh, it seems like the keyboard is sending separate key-down and key-up requests. Well. I knew that. < 1299296577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still irritating. < 1299296583 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the problem with OpenID. The problem was the trust URL and return URL did not agree with each other. < 1299296690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My browser hallucinated that LFS said to use kernel 2.6.35 < 1299296714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1299296719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bit controls keydown vs keyup in a scancode < 1299296720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299296845 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bit 7 is clear on keydown, set on keyup (except for E0/E1 bytes). < 1299296858 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E0/E1s are always E0 / E1. < 1299296867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: You are a veritable font of knowledge. (What's E0/E1?) < 1299296877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1299296888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started doing stuff JUST as LFS gets updated to 6.8 < 1299296890 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E0 is prefix for 2-byte keycode (E1 is 3-byte). < 1299296890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. The. Fuck... my keyboard code only works if I write to VGA memory in the poll-keyboard loop. < 1299296896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299296905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about cycle timing, adding in a "nop" doesn't make it work. < 1299296914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I keep typing with the broken code the keyboard buffer fills up. < 1299296923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am entertaining the LFS people < 1299296930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bet is: Bochs only updates the keyboard controller when some "system" stuff is accessed, e.g. BIOS, interrupts, or say VGA memory. < 1299296935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since I have interrupts disabled... < 1299296949 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Enter is 0x1C(0x9C), keypad enter is 0xE0 0x1C (0xE0 0x9C). < 1299297053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perhaps it's simply not assuming anyone would actually directly poll the keyboard? < 1299297061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHYEVER NOT < 1299297073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well DOS didn't use HLT. < 1299297078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was in *some* kind of busy loop. < 1299297138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF. < 1299297143 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absinthe is terribl < 1299297143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every write to VGA ram works. < 1299297161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: terribl indeed < 1299297263 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about DOSBox? It has its own BIOS and AFAIK can load disk images. < 1299297366 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1299297370 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. IMGMOUNT and BOOT. < 1299297386 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's terrible lag between the srever my irc is on and my home computer :| < 1299297403 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I actually thought I was writing that in another channel, in response to a thing :| < 1299297455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: heh, that sounds like fun < 1299297462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: oh. i assumed you were drunk on absinthe < 1299297497 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I avoid that like the plague < 1299297529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, can't be much worse than any other hard liquor. < 1299297611 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you don't need IMGMOUNT, just BOOT. < 1299297620 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'BOOT '. < 1299298125 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1299298221 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299298358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299298732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1299299020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299299025 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-229-130.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299299039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling binutils :D < 1299299156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to need to sleep while it runs < 1299299859 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :-\ < 1299299871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It finished < 1299299899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took 11min < 1299300077 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1299300691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299301129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lectures on Youtbe > TV < 1299301133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube, even. < 1299301384 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I want to try NixOS, but LFS or Arch looks easier < 1299301420 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-182-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299301426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1299301438 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I should learn more about package management < 1299301569 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/texwiki/view.php/0 < 1299301758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, have you ever done Linux From Scratch? < 1299301775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have been planning to do so. < 1299301787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do so when I get another computer. < 1299301796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is doing it in VirtualBox < 1299301979 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to try stuff with this wiki? < 1299302005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1299302054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't want to be owned < 1299302085 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "I own you!" is just something I put for testing... that file is not locked, so anyone with account can modify it. < 1299302101 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Select "[Admin]" to check if a file is locked.) < 1299302142 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299302248 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It no longer says "I own you!" Now it says "I invented this wiki." < 1299302430 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what do you think of it? < 1299302437 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299302829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need sleep < 1299302873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, probably I will sleep too. < 1299302880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: now sleep < 1299304049 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1299305484 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. It is *really* nice not having to do mental gymnastics just to accept both professed faith and reasonable scientific observations as true. < 1299306363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1299306527 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicer still to not have to do mental gymnastics just to accept chapter 1 and chapter 2 of the same damned book simultaneously. :P < 1299307026 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299307070 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062215.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299308600 0 :zeotrope!~abc@unaffiliated/zeotrope JOIN :#esoteric < 1299309282 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299310632 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299310644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299310804 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299310900 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133108.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299311999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1299312000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1299313104 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but still, I'll ping olsner to ask about my insane idea :) < 1299313111 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he's gone, great < 1299313120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the insane idea? < 1299313228 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1299313430 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 . < 1299313668 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't seem to mention it anywhere near the line where he pings me, somewhat uselessly < 1299316138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Really? The site gave me an enormously difficult trig differential. Something like d/dx 2 sin(2x). Maybe you and I have different definitions of "simple"?]] < 1299316385 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that is an easy one, right? < 1299316575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's just 4 cos 2x. < 1299316676 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-46.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299316688 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299316822 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, then I got it right < 1299317417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how one considers there to be easy trig differentials if that is tremendously difficult that puzzles me. < 1299317541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "(enormously difficult, trig) differential" there, not "enormously difficult (trig differential)". < 1299317574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/UEMQw.png < 1299317575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1299317740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That CAPTCHA thing is a bit iffy, though: there's only one variable, so I think they're just using the partial d to confuse people.) < 1299317790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which captcha thing is this? < 1299317794 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299317850 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181139061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299317851 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1299317861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives you a relatively simple derivative and asks you to solve it. < 1299317869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for a quantum random generator thing. < 1299318493 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-136.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299319388 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good way to keep out a large portion of the human popluation! < 1299319575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299320223 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299320358 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181138044.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299321808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299321813 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-179-216.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299322549 0 :leonid!~leonid@CMU-416717.WV.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1299322562 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1299322566 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to livestream my codegolfing < 1299322573 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to golf in ruby and python < 1299322575 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested? < 1299323360 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299324332 0 :leonid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.livestream.com/leonid < 1299324528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299324539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what happened to my laptop again? < 1299324792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1299325020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299325133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299325475 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299325521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, yeah, and it's a 3D conversion. < 1299325527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now even more jar-jarring < 1299325706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:03:08 Phantom_Hoover, good way to keep out a large portion of the human popluation! < 1299325726 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1299325730 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are times where you'd want that. < 1299325780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, with irony the likes of which has not been seen since that guy was crushed to death in a church while thanking God for saving his life, it allows most computers in. < 1299325910 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it polynomial-derivative level easy? < 1299325921 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could complicate OCR enough to make that the main challenge. < 1299325929 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the actual mathematics. < 1299325954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, but it's beautifully rendered LaTeX. < 1299325988 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1299325996 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1299325999 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299325999 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1299326007 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How complex are the derivatives in question. < 1299326013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia_: you cannot make a hard derivative with common functions. < 1299326034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a simple mechanical process, even for humans. < 1299326063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now integrals are worse - but still computers would beat humans by far < 1299326090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of captcha that can only work because spammers would never bother to target it. < 1299326218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course people who's brains don't really comprehend math could still consider a derivative difficult < 1299326222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whose < 1299326330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: have you considered grouping Lymia_ with Lymia? < 1299326344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends that < 1299326494 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's better, coq or agda < 1299326535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used either, but elliott would say coq is better i think < 1299326559 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i want to think about what elliott would say < 1299326567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda being too badly designed < 1299326572 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1299326627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, agda is a dependent programming language that pretends to be a theorem prover without giving any of the convenience for it that coq does < 1299326668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i said elliott because he is the first person here that i remember has been interested in them < 1299326716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1299326731 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ais did all that earlier < 1299326739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299326753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: that would be so like him :D < 1299326763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: proving things in coq is _still_, afaiu, a lot of work. < 1299326799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Agda doesn't really pretend to be a theorem prover as much as idiots make it out to be one. < 1299326811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299326852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly ais523 did it earlier, and then implemented it in hardware < 1299326871 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he first implemented hardware in it < 1299326879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe. < 1299326885 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then took the software and implemented the software implementing hardware in hardware. < 1299326896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BRAIN! < 1299326914 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, this hardware was running software. < 1299326932 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a br*infuck virtual machine. < 1299326946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he woke up. < 1299326960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only logical conclusion to that scenario. < 1299327018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about Feather/ < 1299327090 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, because according to the technological singularity theory, YOU are a computer program running inside that bf VM < 1299327115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i wasn't, but you're obviously correct. < 1299327126 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're being dreamt of, in fact, you're just an episodic nightmare ^^ < 1299327142 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_Singularity < 1299327172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: sounds too likely for comfort. < 1299327281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I retroactively told myself the right answer. < 1299327313 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the omega point theory says that at some point the humanity reaches the ability to simulate everything we ourselves see as the universe. the whole real universe is then converted into a molecular computer. < 1299327341 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then it goes on to calculate the probability of whether it's yet to happen or has already happened, and the probability it has is overwhelming ^^ < 1299327379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i also find it likely that something singularity-like has already happened < 1299327398 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it hasn't < 1299327404 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's coming up - i'm going to the toilet < 1299327407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly before the universe was created < 1299327408 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brace for impact. < 1299327496 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-248-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299327532 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299328697 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i always wondered what was before the big bang! < 1299328740 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it just a singularity where all the wave functions went into destructive interference making the sum of all of them the theta vector? < 1299328756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that goes without saying. < 1299328832 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how the laws of physics might have looked "before the big bang" < 1299328850 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know, we can't even prove that the laws of physics are the same in all of our universe < 1299328872 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might very well be that we humans are in some sort of invisible sphere and suddenly as you exit it gravity stops working or something like that < 1299329285 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just don't understand people who use vim and put their esc key in the upper left corner of the keyboard. < 1299329561 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299329663 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181133048.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299329686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1299331326 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299332229 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299332977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Maintenance < 1299333626 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1299333703 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181132037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299335318 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-28.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299335367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299336886 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299337316 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299337918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?" — http://web.archive.org/web/20040603174302/http://funroll-loops.org/ < 1299338763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299339173 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299339235 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-185-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299339408 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299339424 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1299340077 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1299340715 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299340720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299341847 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't compete with NixOS < 1299342502 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-227.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299342503 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299343311 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want DEC PDP-11/40 front panel! < 1299343330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299343934 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, says like the kind of thing I'd say if I knew little about anything other than Gentoo < 1299343942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I wouldn't write it to an email list < 1299343998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm assuming you would at least know the slightest thing about a rival OS before denigrating it. < 1299344027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I guess. I probably wouldn't include the insult < 1299344043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did recently insult HaXe due to a misunderstanding [I took it back though] < 1299344346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaXe? < 1299344822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haxe.org < 1299344870 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP : You can compile a haXe program to .php files." <- 'nuff said? < 1299344995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks so bland I can't even pass judgement on it. < 1299345061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably means something that the first page doesn't say anything about what it actually is < 1299345483 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1299345886 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying Arch < 1299345903 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo is too problematic < 1299345923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problematic how? < 1299345943 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my c2d laptop is too slow to compile everything < 1299345972 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a system up and usable for everyday tasks within less than 2 hours < 1299345986 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1299345988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2d? < 1299346004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core 2 duo based laptop* < 1299346115 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd try gentoo on my pc < 1299346125 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this new and shiny core i7 < 1299346177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the speed wouldn't be noticable since it has 24GB of RAM and SSD drives for system and recent data < 1299346185 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything works fast on it < 1299346186 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compiling will pretty much always take longer than not compiling < 1299346239 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ubuntu in virtualbox under windows 7 runs fast on it < 1299346358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought I'd be happy with my 2GB of RAM < 1299346364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes off into a corner < 1299346488 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299346623 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you were trying to say something about an "insane idea" earlier, so I'll just leave IRC now and read a book < 1299346631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it didn't work < 1299346639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i was going to try lgdt without changing cr0 < 1299346643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it an insane idea to be rid of me forever? < 1299346646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems that how segment loading works depends on cr0 < 1299346725 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I read that segment limits aren't actually reset by reloading segment registers in real mode < 1299346820 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you doing? < 1299346905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: trying to stuff forth into 510 bytes < 1299346915 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1299346935 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i thought about implementing forth in asm < 1299346946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's easy < 1299346953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it in 510 bytes with no operating system is not < 1299346955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boot sector forth) < 1299346966 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it turned out i'm too lazy and started watching photos of DEC PDPs for several hours < 1299347082 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using an assembler? < 1299347087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Um, yes, nasm. < 1299347096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite insane enough to write machine code by hand. < 1299347116 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T USE NASM YOU'LL UPSET VORPAL < 1299347129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T SYNTAX IS MUCH BETTEr < 1299347144 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just numbers < 1299347151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BETTER < 1299347164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what's the point of doing that? < 1299347167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Yes, but it's a lot easier to use an assembler. And it removes no power from me: I regularly read the listing files and tweak my code to shorten them. < 1299347178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ultimate haxorness feeling < 1299347179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: There's basically no advantage to writing in direct machine code. < 1299347183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm → machine code is a simple mechanical process. < 1299347189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Oh, and nasm with -Ox does branch optimisation stuff. < 1299347196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a localised, but very useful, optimisation. < 1299347211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It just optimises branch offsets.) < 1299347215 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, seriously, once i've build an OISC on a protoboard and set up 8 LEDs and 8 switches < 1299347223 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i programmed it using the switches < 1299347223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:40:54 Phantom_Hoover, good way to keep out a large portion of the human popluation! < 1299347225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299347225 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so cool < 1299347226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an underscore < 1299347229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked like a space in the logs < 1299347232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in lymia's nick) < 1299347281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:43:21 i think ais did all that earlier < 1299347285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ais has done nothing with theorem proving systems at all. < 1299347295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:43:52 note: proving things in coq is _still_, afaiu, a lot of work. < 1299347298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not really true. < 1299347309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verifying functional libraries with it is rewarding. < 1299347312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving pure mathematical theorems is not < 1299347318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it is hardware) < 1299347320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1299347321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it is possible) < 1299347327 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1299347402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh, oerjan getting "schooled" (ignorant bullshitted) on TEH SIGNULARITY Y0 by cheater < 1299347407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this log ends soon < 1299347412 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you limiting forth words somehow? < 1299347435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16:07 oerjan: i always wondered what was before the big bang! < 1299347435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and everyone else before they realised that's a stupid question. < 1299347437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: define limiting < 1299347525 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you setting some limits on how such word should look like or rather permitting every string of characters without space < 1299347552 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you storing length or rather use null terminated words < 1299347579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: neither < 1299347586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name is going to fit into one 32-bit dword. < 1299347593 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i see < 1299347596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 bits per char = 6 chars in a name with two bits left over < 1299347599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 bits = 32 choices < 1299347601 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane < 1299347605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := lowercase letters + 6 punctuation < 1299347610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: instead of storing the length, I'll 0-pad < 1299347615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, as I'm reading and translating scancodes < 1299347618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alphabet will be in scancode-order < 1299347623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be padded out with zeroes which is the letter q < 1299347634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @ = @q = @qq = @qqq = @qqqq = @qqqqq < 1299347653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I'm not sure how i'll read integers at this point < 1299347659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1299347665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how normal Forth behaves when you tell it to read a word and you give it some digits < 1299347668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i just wanted to ask about integers < 1299347671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 42 actually compiles to {INTEGER, 42} or similar < 1299347693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I was thinking about making the first bit indicate whether the rest of the word is a name or a 31-bit integer, but really I have no idea how the word-reader should react to digit strings < 1299348065 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299348154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never underestimate an Australians desire for beer. Now we have space beer we might even start our own space agency. We have our priorities right down here." < 1299348159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time until first kangaroo in space... < 1299348647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends: do you mean kangaroo meat? < 1299348653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1299348656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean kangaroo. < 1299348663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably going to be a while, then. < 1299348666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strayan Spagency. < 1299348695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No point launching a kangaroo into space until you have enough space in your space station to have kangaroo kickboxing in space. < 1299348776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, they just have to invent the space barbie first. < 1299348785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they have space beer -- < 1299348788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sify.com/news/oz-firms-develop-first-beer-that-can-be-consumed-in-space-news-international-ldbnEpdabje.html < 1299348793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The comment I quoted was from the reddit thread of that.) < 1299348840 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299349430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299349727 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how big is this forth at the moment < 1299349728 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1299349752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it isn't even a forth :) < 1299349758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to talk to the keyboard at this stage < 1299349914 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299350206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my oak soda needs less sugar. < 1299350478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your sugar needs less oak soda. < 1299350494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/05/exclusive-nasa-scientists-claims-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/#comment < 1299350504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to nuke the place from orbit. < 1299350529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if we can get all of Fox News there first. < 1299350657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple nukes. < 1299350790 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299351317 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1299351341 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> He gave FoxNews.com early access to the out-of-this-world research, published late Friday evening in the March edition of the Journal of Cosmology. < 1299351342 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `of' < 1299351356 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i trust the science of someone who would do this < 1299351356 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1299351393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: At least he actually sent it to a peer-reviewed journal *as well*. < 1299351417 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1299351421 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds like a publicity play < 1299351427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most definitely. < 1299351441 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The exciting thing is that they are in many cases recognizable and can be associated very closely with the generic species here on earth,” < 1299351442 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1299351446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if this turns out to be BS, his career is probably ruined. < 1299351452 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they look an awful lot like earth life!" < 1299351465 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol tell that to whatsisname with the vaccination-autism shit < 1299351485 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lost his license to practice, got thoroughly debunked, and his original article was withdrawn < 1299351492 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's still doing well for himself it seems < 1299351498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider that a ruined career. < 1299351511 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew wakefield, that's it < 1299351515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is still doing well for himself, only because there exist stupid people with money. < 1299351525 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's not ruined < 1299351526 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1299351533 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in a tangible sense < 1299351535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he is horribly unlikely to ever do science again. < 1299351545 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's arguable he wasn't doing science before < 1299351546 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1299351581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, point is, now his career depends on the whim of crackpots. < 1299351660 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Maybe life was seeded on earth -- it developed on comets for example, and just landed here when these things were hitting the very early Earth,” Shostak speculated. “It would suggest, well, life didn’t really begin on the Earth, it began as the solar system was forming.” < 1299351674 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously god got bored one day, so he invested snowballs with life and played a game of darts < 1299351674 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1299351793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he wasn't so easily scared. < 1299351812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, after reading the SCP wiki I didn't sleep at all for an entire night. < 1299351815 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scared of dead alien bacteria? < 1299351816 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same applied to the slender man. < 1299351819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can fix that! < 1299351824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, HOW < 1299351832 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's scp < 1299351842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vell, ve simply remove ze amygdala. < 1299351848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKES SENSE < 1299351858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, X-Files: the wiki. < 1299351868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can I do this with a drill? < 1299351881 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1299351887 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trepanation for fun and profit < 1299351902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not without damaging other portions of the brain. < 1299351908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, dammit. < 1299351915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, the neocortex. < 1299351933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do I need that? < 1299352038 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299352042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel about abstract thought? < 1299352061 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook comments system for other sites... Anybody else think of "security nightmare"? < 1299352131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ < 1299352394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like OpenID but centralised! < 1299352429 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least OpenID doesn't have to be a security nightmare. < 1299352469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299352636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the Web stuff is a security and taste nightmare. < 1299352665 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299352802 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, of course you can't sleep if you're up all night reading SCP instead :) < 1299352835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but I stopped, and was then incapable of sleeping < 1299352873 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1299352995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299353003 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-145-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299353018 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1299354143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wonder if some kind of modified Burro couldn't fit this < 1299354149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pasting! paste is immoral < 1299354155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1299354178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like the inverse of (a/b) is (b'/a') < 1299354180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ' is inverse < 1299354183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kayak sort of does reverse(P) = P^-1 < 1299354185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in burro < 1299354186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1299354191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Phantom_Hoover, there's a device that might make improvements to you < 1299354192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if )b/a( < 1299354194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the same as (a/b) < 1299354195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna try it? < 1299354200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that's a start < 1299354203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't work with non-termination < 1299354204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES IT INVOLVE A DRILL < 1299354205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the basic commands have to become two characters, of course < 1299354212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're their own inverse < 1299354215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details < 1299354222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + has to be ab and - has to be ba, say < 1299354237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< has to be xy, > has to be yx < 1299354241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it might very well be possible to find a set of basic commands that _are_ their own inverse < 1299354245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, err < 1299354251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I just did it with reverse(P) < 1299354269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burro where +, -, < and > are two chars, and )b/a( means (a/b) < 1299354275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299354279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: take a look at kayak < 1299354281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually )a/b( means (a/b) < 1299354285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1299354292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think this was actually my inspiration :) < 1299354302 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it has robotic arms < 1299354307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFqfTCL2fs < 1299354314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy is the most awesome person ever. < 1299354330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm is )a/b( ambiguous with (a/b) :) < 1299354340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some of his other videos: he draws holograms by hand. < 1299354344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1299354346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ((a/b)c/d(e/f)) < 1299354352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, no < 1299354352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kayak doesn't quite reverse on brackets < 1299354353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not ambiguous < 1299354357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other parsing has three /s < 1299354383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I didn't know the hologram thing < 1299354393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've seen his hypotheses about traffic < 1299354417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm a command which does (a,b) = (b+1, a-1) < 1299354426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be self-inverse < 1299354449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUy8lELWhJg&feature=relmfu < 1299354457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you combine with other swapping things < 1299354475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works by drawing arcs so that the reflections change. < 1299354502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you saying that < 1299354509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299354517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't see how this gets around your proof < 1299354535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he also did that maglev thing. < 1299354551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have stumbled upon him in my magnet phase. < 1299354563 0 :nooga_!nooga@jasminek.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299354576 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1299354585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm just considering how to make all the base commands self-inverse, it won't apply to combined ones of course < 1299354609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: could it if you made a sufficiently complex sequencing command? :-P < 1299354623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1299354631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = -a is an obvious one < 1299354685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two combined still don't change overall parity though < 1299354690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you have a stack then P(x) := if TOS = x then pop else push x is an obvious one < 1299354694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how well or poorly KT-AT would deal with those holograms < 1299354705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all x < 1299354718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um no, what if there are two x on top < 1299354720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1299354728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: irrelevant < 1299354733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(10)P(10) === e < 1299354752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: P(10)P(10)P(10) === P(10) < 1299354756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, increment your "Sgeo facepalm avoid" counter. < 1299354758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you just call her God? < 1299354759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric ::()^ is TURING COMPLETE! EVERYBODY PARTY???? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299354769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um are you implying you _cannot_ have two consecutive equal elements on the stack? i suppose that might work < 1299354773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'm not < 1299354776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm asking how it matters < 1299354784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, increment it again. < 1299354795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :DANGEROUS AARDVARKOIDS | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1299354811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it matters because if there are two x on top of stack then two of that command pops both < 1299354838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. well, just have P be the only function to push < 1299354843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's no way to get TOS = SOS < 1299354848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1299354906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course your "P(a) P(b) -> P(b+1) P(a-1)" (using P() to do underload-style stack notation) will need adjusting < 1299354912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case b == a-2 or similar < 1299354933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why did you ask that? < 1299354959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her vision isn't exactly great. < 1299354975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1299354978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1299354981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No depth perception, or? < 1299354992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1299354998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wasn't imagining a stack language for that one, anyway < 1299355023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes. < 1299355030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's a bit worse than that < 1299355031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1299355043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if even then +1 else -1 < 1299355044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, please tell me she has an eyepatch. < 1299355046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one < 1299355059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1299355080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you that, but it would be a lie. < 1299355093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1299355239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands that flip a flag under some condition (which must not involve that flag) is an obvious candidate < 1299355248 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@184.56.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299355256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how much worse is it than "no stereoscopy"? < 1299355269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think your if even then +1 else -1 can be considered that way < 1299355278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of only half of her good eye < 1299355285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm surely with such a self-cancelling language, reverse(P) becomes the inverse of P where atomic elements of P (including compound commands) are considered as one element < 1299355286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1299355291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and reversing inside compounds < 1299355296 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if elliott's forth is complete yet? < 1299355299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just flipping the last bit always :D < 1299355307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: it's difficult man :D < 1299355308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha < 1299355315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that is not a bit worse. < 1299355315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if odd then +1 else -1! < 1299355327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is much worse. < 1299355328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's a bit more awkward, with all that carry < 1299355335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: MOAR POWER < 1299355339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have no stereoscopy but 20:20 vision. < 1299355382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of holograms, as opposed to "how bad is vision", I don't think it makes much difference < 1299355412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say "half"... < 1299355428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that "half the field of vision radially", or what? < 1299355437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: however recall how burro needs to disallow all but the global loop to avoid the non-termination issue < 1299355449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really need to know all these details < 1299355489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1299355499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ELSE WILL I PASS JUDGEMENT ON YOU < 1299355508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is there to judge? < 1299355524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: instead of ordinary brackets, the language needs to use something isomorphic to the alternating " ' quoting style < 1299355526 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess < 1299355536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, EVERYTHING < 1299355541 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was pasting my quotes and talking shit about me because he's insecure < 1299355545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you don't need to change any characters < 1299355553 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scrolls up < 1299355556 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13:16:07 oerjan: i always wondered what was before the big bang! < 1299355556 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you and everyone else before they realised that's a stupid question. < 1299355561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could define 0 as _|_ :D < 1299355563 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... surprising < 1299355569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an infinite loop is the inverse of every program! < 1299355572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, one side of the field of vision < 1299355600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm... that's not the kind of inverse we are considering here < 1299355607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thatsthejoke.jpg < 1299355677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, obligatory jibe: at least that explains why she wanted to date you! < 1299355689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No malice intended. It's just business.) < 1299355714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would have been better if it were ever actually clear that she wanted to date me < 1299355747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, i'm going to ignore this. < 1299355749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even worse, I think. Even the blind don't want to date me QQ < 1299355775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i could just manage to write in the right window, everything would be perfect < 1299355792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *blind nutcases < 1299355835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait no, it wouldn't.) < 1299355853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299355872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but but it would bring about world peace :( < 1299355990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. okay then. < 1299356001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would bring about world peace? < 1299356007 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think something would. < 1299356036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it was a joke < 1299356041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : now if i could just manage to write in the right window, everything would be perfect < 1299356044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan> (wait no, it wouldn't.) < 1299356053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEATH OF ALL THE PUNY MORTALS < 1299356059 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: who's KT=AT? < 1299356064 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KT-AT, sorry < 1299356085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some war droid Sgeo is infatuated with < 1299356136 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1299356144 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm infuriated with it < 1299356153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is most certainly NOT infatuated with PHP! < 1299356197 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1299356197 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299356197 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299356198 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is that your girlfriend? < 1299356221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N..not .. not currently < 1299356240 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, i'm sorry, i hope you guys get together < 1299356253 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you break up or something? < 1299356258 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1299356281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crush, some reason to believe it's not returned, some to believe it might be < 1299356287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused < 1299356296 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299356296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many many many reasons to believe it is. < 1299356300 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well poor you < 1299356328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's an idiot and you're clearly just indulging your previously-stated attraction to girls who have undergone some kind of hardship. < 1299356332 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a hint for you if you allow me to give you one < 1299356368 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let it drag on for too long or else you'll become the best friend < 1299356373 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best < 1299356375 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a wiki for TeXnicard, now. < 1299356384 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299356387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, that may have already happened < 1299356399 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh < 1299356405 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well there are multiple ways out of it < 1299356410 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to notify me if you want an account (even if you just want to try things with it) < 1299356462 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accounts is all logging in by OpenID. < 1299356491 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one way is... you usually start spending time together and have some sort of habit of doing things < 1299356510 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you'll call her up every thursday, or you guys will watch movies or go eat lunch < 1299356515 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1299356520 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you carry her books around < 1299356555 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time this happens, show up late and be real irritated and keep it up like that, and be generally a bit pissed off about her (because hey, there's a reason for it anyways) < 1299356572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, how about I not be an asshole? < 1299356580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i _just_ told elliott in the other window i didn't think you needed banning, and then you start doing this. < 1299356585 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of you have OpenID, I am curious to know that? < 1299356600 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i start doing what? < 1299356608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he is obviously trolling you. < 1299356618 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm trolling him? < 1299356620 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf? < 1299356641 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dude, wtf? < 1299356677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god what's he doing now. < 1299356685 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyways, then she'll start asking herself what's going on, and when she asks you what's going on you can go all out < 1299356693 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I also think you do not need banning. At least, that is simply my opinion. < 1299356710 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea why i would need banning < 1299356712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, trying to give me "advice". < 1299356732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure oerjan still thinks that. :) < 1299356737 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, or I can just ask her directly if she sees me in terms of being a friend, or more < 1299356747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my current plan < 1299356748 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no that's terrible < 1299356753 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's the worst thing you can do < 1299356762 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this moves you from best friend to creep < 1299356789 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the thing is that being best friend means on emotional scale you are somewhere of a +2 for her < 1299356797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, god please don't respond to him. < 1299356800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, secretly crushing on someone who sees me as a friend is also "creep" < 1299356806 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a scale -10 to +10 < 1299356823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put him on ignore. < 1299356833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you don't need to worry about *becoming* a creep. < 1299356847 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is to get her to react to you, romance works in highs and lows, sometimes you have to provoke a low to get a high afterwards < 1299356886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: smooth < 1299356902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE AN ONION < 1299356910 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you're best friend it's this curse impossible to break through by doing only positive things, because she'll always think "oh, he's such a nice boy, i love having him as a friend" < 1299356943 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're always dependable and nice and courteous and stuff < 1299356979 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you start noticing that girls like assholes < 1299356996 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not really about that, it's just about the fact that the right boyfriend for a girl makes her life interesting < 1299357030 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of excitement and emotional drama is definitely well placed in a balanced relationship between two people who were not lobotomized < 1299357050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The impression I get from reading various things is that the correct way to avoid into the "nice guy" trap is to be more direct, not to be an asshole < 1299357066 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just semantics < 1299357072 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people see being direct as being an asshole < 1299357086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confident that he will never be viewed as a nice guy. < 1299357099 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem here is, 99 times out of 100 when you go to her directly and ask her what she feels it will turn out to be pleading < 1299357102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a mistaken impression that I'd imagine "nice guys" might have < 1299357114 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem there is that she's emotionally neutral towards you < 1299357117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, STOP TALKING TO HIM ALREADY < 1299357117 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1299357121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING WILL COME OF IT < 1299357139 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you want to do it when she's very emotionally biased towards you < 1299357149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT TAKE RELATIONSHIP ADVICE FROM A MAN WHO LIES ABOUT SPYING ON 14-YEAR-OLDS IN BALLET LESSONS. < 1299357158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1299357188 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either because you give her the most amazing day of her life (not likely) or because you pull the right strings and get her confused and a bit angry about what's going on (it also gets her to appreciate you more) < 1299357192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he claimed he lived in some big house wherein ballet lessons took place. < 1299357195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I want to know what she feels, not what I trick her into feeling < 1299357202 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i do. < 1299357210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given his general disposition on IRC, I call bullshit on that bit at least. < 1299357212 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't trick people into feeling things. < 1299357226 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you just let their feelings free by doing what you do. < 1299357244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put him on ignore or I < 1299357258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put you on so that I don't have to listen to this crap. < 1299357267 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's no reason to shy away from the bad feelings (actually i wouldn't call that bad, because it's just constructive chaos) < 1299357286 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: simply because good things come out of it. < 1299357316 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you ask her what she feels you'll come off as a creep, because she's grown up and she can give you all the signs of what she feels towards you < 1299357327 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no signs = no feeling, or ambivalence < 1299357336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn the proximity of the backspace and return keys. Anyway. < 1299357336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using X is a waste of paper because then xdvi won't work. < 1299357405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, I'm not putting you on ignore, but I won't be responding after thiis. < 1299357415 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *shrug* < 1299357439 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: want to talk in msg? < 1299357458 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you agree or disagree with me about that? < 1299357507 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: full agreement. < 1299357551 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: About X and xdvi, that is (I told you just in case you thought I meant something else) < 1299357568 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. full agreement :) < 1299357589 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i find a graphical user interface is indispensable for, well, graphical things which dvi is after all < 1299357650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that every interface sucks. < 1299357656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some more than others. < 1299357677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though, when I am on that computer (at FreeGeek), I rarely use anything other than the command shell (often I use multiple tabs), and Firefox (since it is required for redmine), and xdvi (so that I can preview the file before printing it). < 1299357685 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I think you are correct. < 1299357727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is why I would write my own window manager instead. (It still isn't good; but it is better than the other one, at least for me it is better than the other one) < 1299357748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows probably has the most damnable set of interfaces, though... < 1299357769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1299357780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is not even considered *desirable* to have an interface consistent with the other ones there. Gag. < 1299357933 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is because everyone disagree about everything, and it make it mixed up, also that some things works badly in Windows which is why they try to do it in different way < 1299357991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have real issues with how tabs are done... < 1299357997 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm happy that ubuntu is ditching x < 1299358018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, how it damned well isn't the application's job. < 1299358025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Y? < 1299358036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Not yet; as soon as Wayland is stable. < 1299358045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point essentially everyone will ditch X. < 1299358113 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, i'm talking about purely their plan to do it < 1299358129 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and that they allocated resources towards that actually happening < 1299358143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Not just Ubuntu that's doing it. < 1299358174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. Damned good thing. < 1299358214 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Athena widgets work on Wayland? < 1299358222 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1299358224 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1299358229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: X can work on Wayland. < 1299358232 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to use Athena widgets but a bit modified for keyboard use too. < 1299358241 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wayland can have an X inside it < 1299358255 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, you don't want that because it's like windows 98 mode in win xp. < 1299358264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't think you understand just how much people will cling to things that are familiar. < 1299358287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp has no windows 98 mode < 1299358293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think you understand how little this affects the morons. < 1299358399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: X, as far as these people are concerned (and, really, as far as most programs are concerned), is just the thing that puts pixels on the screen. < 1299358406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wayland does that with less bullshit. < 1299358435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have seen at least one blog post bitching about Wayland. < 1299358449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only thing that they'll actually *notice* is that all of a sudden, Linux graphics work better. < 1299358498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean I won't have to suffer terrible stability in my drivers any more? < 1299358533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they'll be DRI-based, so yes. < 1299358535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF they're ported :P < 1299358541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland still uses some of the same driver stack. < 1299358547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, DRI. < 1299358553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a window manager be written with Wayland? < 1299358557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most X drivers don't use DRI < 1299358559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proprietary ones that is < 1299358565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does it, I'm getting a decent desktop. < 1299358570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Full-on compositing manager. < 1299358583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is dying?!?! < 1299358584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*note: every time I conclude this I shrink back due to innate stinginess. < 1299358603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The authors of The UNIX Haters' Manual are crying. < 1299358604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They'll probably be forced to in not-too-long. < 1299358607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Out of happiness] < 1299358615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or just refuse to support wayland < 1299358618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus stopping it ever being adopted < 1299358644 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does it deal with mouse pointer? < 1299358648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not likely. *When* Ubuntu starts shipping with it out-of-the-box, what do you think they'll do? < 1299358660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ubuntu won't if the proprietary drivers aren't there. < 1299358670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ubuntu isn't sane. < 1299358673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't get the whole Herobrine log for today to load. < 1299358678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ubuntu value their market share. < 1299358680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember, these guys switched to Pulseaudio before it even worked. < 1299358683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try refreshing a lot. < 1299358691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It "worked". < 1299358698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland without drivers will not "work". < 1299358710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Besides which, this issue will only really affect Nvidia. < 1299358724 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do black/white/transparent mouse pointer with some built-in, with it? < 1299358731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Presuming* the ATI drivers improve a bit. < 1299358737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure. < 1299358750 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watched "The End of Suburbia". Doesn't look good for the US. :-/ < 1299358772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yeah, the next 20 years or so will probably *hurt*. < 1299358832 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use Wayland, I would have to change some things, including window manager, and mouse pointers, keyboard, make a library that does it with fixed-pitch bitmap font, widget, etc. < 1299358897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want windows drawn with shadow, with glass, etc < 1299358966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at the puny Americ— < 1299358986 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can expect wayland to be very gnome-like. < 1299358986 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One major goal would be to avoid full-blown systems meltdown. If that happens in wide areas... The death toll woll be horrible. :-/ < 1299358988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers that Scotland has several services dependent on Westminster subsidising us for no good reason. < 1299358995 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would < 1299359006 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have no 3D windows, no dragging icons between windows.... < 1299359011 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use X instead. < 1299359038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Free tuition and medication being a large part of this.) < 1299359045 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1299359052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's this about switching to PulsAudio? < 1299359062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are students I know protesting Scotland's tuition rises. I find them extremely obnoxious.) < 1299359109 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have nvidia somehow said they don't support wayland? < 1299359170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland *only* replaces freaking X. Still going to have Qt or GTK on top... < 1299359172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: I dunno. < 1299359309 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it doesn't really replace x, yet it does < 1299359315 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's a bit weird isn't it :D < 1299359357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: It replaces X entirely. People seem to have this bizarre misconception that replacing X involves replacing the entire GUI stack. < 1299359375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When really it's just replacing the part of the GUI stack that causes pain and agony. < 1299359391 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ya < 1299359402 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but not really because wayland is something that x can PLUG INTO < 1299359426 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like, it replaces the part of X which does direct interfacing with the hardware.. < 1299359427 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1299359466 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-193-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299359489 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Yeah, but now X serves as a compatibility layer. < 1299359506 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1299359517 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the center of all hardware interaction, based around 80s conceptions of what needed to be done. < 1299359527 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and absolutely *retarded* conceptions of how to do it. < 1299359537 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is gtk going to get implemented for x? < 1299359541 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that even make sense? < 1299359550 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTK already has a Wayland backend. < 1299359560 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1299359563 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's cool < 1299359573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299359576 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really not hard to make one... < 1299359585 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about existing apps - they're mostly compiled with shared usage of gtk right? < 1299359596 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In large part, yeah. < 1299359599 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically switching my gtk out with the wayland version should make all gtk apps use wayland? < 1299359607 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt also has a Wayland backend in the works. < 1299359608 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299359617 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's pretty cool < 1299359624 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i like about linux < 1299359630 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better, GTK now has switchable backends. Environment variable and voila, your GTK apps will use Wayland. < 1299359647 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay-for operating systems would need you to recompile everything or something < 1299359674 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this means of course waiting 5 years for the next os iteration and praying they do it this time around < 1299359712 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this should allow *significantly* better graphics performance. < 1299359721 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1299359723 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait < 1299359738 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in turn maybe high performance graphics could come to linux < 1299359744 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, you know, computer games < 1299359757 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, cutting out pointless context switches. < 1299359758 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as much as i hate to admit, this is the one step needed to make linux mainstream < 1299359881 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i think if computer games came to linux it could really show how much more performance you can get from the system < 1299360025 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly *is* wayland ? < 1299360060 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not X. < 1299360086 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah - the ubuntu non-network-transparent X replacement? < 1299360097 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Ubuntu/Freedesktop.org/ < 1299360111 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu isn't responsible for it, they merely intend to use it in the future. < 1299360122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, you say "non-network-transparent" like it's a bad thing, < 1299360131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it's not ubuntu's < 1299360141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: also, network-transparency should be done at the toolkit level < 1299360142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk, qt, etc. < 1299360144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what is happening < 1299360148 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not *inherently* non-network-transparent. < 1299360150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that allows for MUCH more efficient network-transparency < 1299360159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with much less complexity in the server, and more speed too < 1299360163 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The toolkits *or* the compositer server can easily do network transparency. < 1299360170 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/er/or/ < 1299360183 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1299360220 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Basically, Wayland is a new API for programs to communicate with a display server, with *signficantly* reduced complexity. < 1299360236 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes - I figured that once cheater00 said its "Not X" :-) < 1299360248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says many things < 1299360251 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, in essence, every bit of complexity in X has either been moved elsewhere or made irrelevant. < 1299360255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least that one is correct < 1299360270 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was involved with X for a bit, supplied some patches and whatnot. I'll have to check out wayland < 1299360312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is a good contender for my least favourite program < 1299360317 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ditto < 1299360343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The X server has to be the biggest program I've seen that doesn't do anything for you." --ken thompson < 1299360343 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also seen some talk about "X12" but meh - I'll look into wayland :-) < 1299360541 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X12 almost certainly isn't happening. < 1299360565 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is basically nothing in the X design that deserves to remain. < 1299360597 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still boggles the mind that X11 traditionally has literally all the device drivers in the X server. < 1299360611 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: yes exactly < 1299360838 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1299361064 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wayland seems very similar to android's graphics system < 1299361134 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-136.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299361141 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1299361801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Guile 1.8 the same as Guile 2? X-D < 1299363430 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1299363800 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"madvise - give advice about use of memory" < 1299363833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while cackling maniackally < 1299363861 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, that's probably correct... I'm guessing the verb is spelled with s and the noun with c < 1299363874 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advise the advice < 1299363875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: indeed < 1299363884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advise the advice that it's very helpful < 1299363939 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does look like a case of misspelled api that has to be supported forever < 1299363946 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299363974 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299364049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: just turn it into a neologism, like referer < 1299364052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes jargon < 1299364106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a referer? < 1299364132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the referring page < 1299364138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the page the link you clicked was on < 1299364139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an http header < 1299364186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1299364198 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is odd, sbrk fails after allocating only 130MB - for some reason I just get a miniscule piece of heap between the stack and the last piece of the executable < 1299364300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what are you doing? :p < 1299364319 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making my own malloc, of course < 1299364373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbark < 1299364387 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to rewrite it to use mmap for everything, but was trying to postpone that and live a little more conveniently with a contiguous heap as long as I can get away with it < 1299364691 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1299364807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: use some fancy functional structure for mmap! :-P < 1299364811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a ZIPPER over MEMORY < 1299364860 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1299364886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God the Slackware FAQ is old < 1299364939 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but I am currently using purely functional data structures as my guide to all things data structurey < 1299364955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299365145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Referer is an infamous misspelling in the HTTP spec. < 1299365164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to Referrer? < 1299365177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1299365191 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referer :) < 1299365403 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1299366031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Deewiant, what does it mean if Guile segfaults on any evaluation < 1299366074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's an evil scheme < 1299366207 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's a pun < 1299366237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES, FOILED AGAIN < 1299366265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these pesky kids and their pun recognition < 1299366630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does it mean if i and the. < 1299366713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could i possibly know the < 1299366771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To amend the Clean Air Act to prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency from promulgating any regulation concerning, taking action relating to, or taking into consideration the emission of a greenhouse gas to address climate change, and for other purposes" < 1299366851 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299366851 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1299366851 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1299366882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a really bad idea, Alex? < 1299366983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan < 1299366986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean if the guile and the < 1299366989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1299367028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you need more badgers. < 1299367035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm using ALL the badgers < 1299367041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clone more. < 1299367072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*echm* < 1299367080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badger badger badger badger < 1299367089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives pikhq some cough drops < 1299367119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind? < 1299367137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually LSD. < 1299367141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repsils with orange taste < 1299367147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1299367152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemon and honey < 1299367157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Insufficiently friendly with fishermen! < 1299367173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know you to be a fisherman < 1299367185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. < 1299367189 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1299367382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: LSD? are you mad? < 1299367389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1299367392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a tiny bit of cyanide, is all. < 1299367414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh come on, you can't keep the trolls and kill off all our valuable assets :P < 1299367418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST OP EVER < 1299367446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1299367453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M ON TOP < 1299367489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh, stop ruling the channel by way of homoeroticism < 1299367493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scares the neighbours < 1299367507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who _are_ our neighbors, anyway? < 1299367518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the United Kingdom and Sweden markets Renckitt Benckiser a throat tablet under the name Strepsils with exactly the same package as the Norwegian Repsils (apart from the first two letters). Also, an "S" which is part of the package design is continuing on the Norwegian seal. The name comes from Strepsils Streptococcusbakterien. Unlike the Norwegian Strepsils lozenges contain also amylmetakresol and 2.4-diklorobenzyl who has a mild antiseptic ef < 1299367518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fect. Strepsils brand name was bought from Boots in 2006 and has been in production from 1958. < 1299367525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The rest of freenode. < 1299367558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eroticism and #estrogen < 1299367573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't count if the channels don't actually exist :P < 1299367573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they're _very_ scared < 1299367574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use /list < 1299367583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid to use /list < 1299367593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well. you may want to < 1299367605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(echo 'USER joidsfoi joisdfo oisdjf oijsdf'; echo 'NICK odjfisdjf'; echo LIST) | nc irc.freenode.net 6667 >list < 1299367613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1299367617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually forgot you don't use a real os there < 1299367632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----### < 1299367765 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1299367829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299368107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:07 I pledge, for this year, to only learn programming languages that an employer will be likely to have me use. < 1299368107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:09 Who is with me? < 1299368107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 2007-sgeo! < 1299368113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/03/a-virus-so-large-it-gets-viruses.ars < 1299368115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S RALLY BEHIND DOING BORING SHIT TO GET TERRIBLE JOBS < 1299368117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TOTALLY PREDICTED THIS < 1299368118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1299368124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better than his current "learn every fucking shitty language ever" < 1299368126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please re-pledge < 1299368130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M LIKE EINSTEIN < 1299368136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thought it was referring to computotron viruses < 1299368140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun < 1299368146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is FUNNER. < 1299368154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:11:08 --- join: ais523 (n=chatzill@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk) joined #esoteric < 1299368154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:11:19 msg nickserv identify 523kk < 1299368154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:11:38 Damn, I'll have to change my password now < 1299368161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I even keep that pledge? < 1299368177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 523ll < 1299368192 0 :z^ck!~zack@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1299368309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1299368340 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-209-97.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299368894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Audacity manage to support Vista but work badly on 7? < 1299368911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheer audacity < 1299369049 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299369138 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1299369154 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1299369289 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g224203228.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1299369475 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds